The Wheel of Time S2E6 - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #344

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What's up, hybrids?
Welcome back to another episode

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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast.
This is Hanukkah and I'm here

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with Anthony and Mike, and we
are talking about season 2,

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episode 6 of The Wheel of Time,
which is probably my most hated

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episode of this entire series.
But before we get into that,

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because I think we're all going
to be on soapboxes for this

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episode, I need to talk about
something Anthony mentioned

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prior to us recording.
So we are obviously very behind

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in recording our season 2.
Season 3 has already started.

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It started last week with a
three episode drop and then they

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released the 4th episode this
week.

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So y'all who have been listening
to us, y'all know how Anthony

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has been feeling about the
adaptation of this show from the

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books because they changed a
lot.

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So Anthony gets on the Zoom
tonight and he says I got

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something that's spoilery but
not spoilery.

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I said OK.
He said I watched episode 4

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today.
I said OK, what did you say to

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me, Anthony?
I said after that episode, these

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people, they can do whatever
they want to do.

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It was it was that good.
Like, I don't care if it doesn't

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have if they keep doing this, it
doesn't matter if they straight

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from the book because the
episode was really, really,

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really good.
I'm so shocked.

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I'm so shocked.
I'm.

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Yeah.
So yeah, we, we need to finish.

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We need to get through this
because I need for y'all to

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start watching.
Yeah.

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Season 3.
'Cause I'm really I'm really

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trying to hold off.
Well, we just skipped talking

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about this one.
Go ahead and wrap it up so.

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That's.
Our show for tonight Fund us at

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fandomharper.com.
We have to go into this one

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because this episode, so I'm not
saying it was a bad episode,

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it's not a bad episode.
It's just the fact that we are

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dealing with elements of slavery
and non consent and all of this

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with these characters,
particularly with the brown

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characters in the episode.
And I remember the first time I

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watched it, and I remember when
we discussed this this season at

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Conjuration 2023, I remember
there were some strong feelings

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about that, especially coming
from me because I was like, OK,

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as a woman, as a Black woman or
brown woman, however you want to

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put it, biracial woman,
whatever.

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As a minority, this episode was
tough to get through like that.

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What's her name?
Rena.

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That bitch needs to die.
May this is basically.

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Female buck breaking.
I mean, it was hard to watch.

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I was watching it and I had to
pause it multiple times because

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I'm like, not only is she
gaslighting her, she's

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physically, mentally and
emotionally buck breaking her.

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And I was just like, no, no, no,
no.

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And the and the crazy thing is,
it's so interesting because Rena

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doesn't look, I think that's her
name.

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She doesn't look that much older
than Iguane is.

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So you know that she's been
brought up to think that this is

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OK.
And there are certain moments

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where she's talking to Iguane
and you feel like she really

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actually thinks that what she's
doing is OK, Like, she doesn't

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see anything wrong with it.
And she actually thinks that

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there's a chance for her and
Gwen to become bonded and to

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become friends.
And I don't know the actress's

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name.
I didn't look it up.

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She does a magnificent job in
playing that duality because

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it's like, on the one hand, you
can see where she has the

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arrogance and she has the
entitlements of what did she say

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to her?
You're not a woman, you're a

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demonic.
I was like, oh, bitch, hold up.

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But then on the other hand, when
they had the scene where she was

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connected to her and they set
the tree afire, the way that she

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looked, she really looked happy.
Like, yes, this is going to

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work.
We're going to be friends and

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it's going to be OK.
We're going to be connected.

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And then when E Gwang still
couldn't, you know, pour the

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water and she got so mad enough
that she actually struck E GUI,

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I was like, yes, she really
feels like this relationship is

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like cohesive.
And it's, it's, it's such a

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weird thing to watch, especially
I'm getting a little political,

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especially in this day and age
when we have what's going on

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with our real life world
happening and we see kind of

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some parallels starting to take
place.

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But it like I said, it was a
good episode, but it was a rough

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episode.
Man, especially like, I mean,

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she she gives her the free reign
to let loose with her powers and

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that I mean for any for her in
that situation that was just

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like being able to run and she
let let her cat loose.

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But then she's like, OK, now I
need you to be go back to be

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subservient to me.
I need you to do do what you

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need to do.
And she still can't do it.

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And the fact that she can't do
anything.

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She can't even pick up a handful
of dirt if she's thinking about

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throwing it at her.
If she picks up that handful of

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dirt, she's going to be in like
she's going to be broken down.

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And I'm just like, that's some
like that, that's that's like

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the worst kind of captivity,
man.

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Like holy shit.
I was, I was so mad.

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I was just like I.
Knew you would be.

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If I was equating, I just be
like you, you, you, you're not

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gonna break me.
I'm gonna break myself.

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It's like you're I'm not gonna
bow down to you.

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And you can, you can.
Whatever you try is just not.

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I'm not gonna do it.
I'm not.

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I'm not.
Yeah, it hurt me when when he

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Gwen finally gave in at the end.
But I mean, we don't even know

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what the time span is from when
this started to when she finally

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gave in.
It could have been weeks, it

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could have been months.
And every day she's going

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through this pain.
You saw her eyes.

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Both of her eyes were were
bloody look like her corneas

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might have been detached and
just oh, just the the physical

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abuse that she was.
I can't even say that she was

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subjected to because aside from
that one, that one beating,

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everything else was
self-inflicted because of what

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the what did, what did they call
that, Adam?

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Adam.
Adam.

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Because of what that thing does.
And I was just like, this is

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rough.
Yeah, remember from Season 1 I

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need, I think it was season 1 I
need said she was talking about

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Gwen and she said that she was
unbreakable.

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Yeah, I thought.
And even in this episode, Antar

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was like, oh, she if anyone can
survive this, it's going to be

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her.
Oh, L'Oreal, said it.

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Oh yeah, Yeah, we all said it.
Yeah, you see at the end.

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Yeah, she she couldn't.
The thing that really hurt me is

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that it's not really like a
white person doing it.

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It's someone who is close enough
in her skin tone.

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And she's actually, I think
she's she's Hispanic.

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Her name is Zelia Mendez Jones,
the woman girl who plays woman

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who plays Rena.
And I'm like, yeah, the fact

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that they.
Look, their pronoun, their

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pronouns are he and him being
them.

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They them just so you know.
Yeah, thank you.

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I appreciate it.
So they are so close to a Gwain

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like as far as skin tone is just
it's almost like it's almost

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like a like a sister doing it to
another sister.

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Not like sister, but like
sister.

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Like it was like it was painful.
Yeah, that's the other part of

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it too.
Just like another a, a, a woman

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just being the the of another
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And and like I said that one
line that she said when Winnie

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Gwen said something to her about
I'm a woman who's such and such,

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I'm a free woman or something,
She was like, you're not a

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woman, you're a demonic.
I was like, wait, they don't

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even look at them as like human.
They're just slaves.

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They're.
No, they're worse than that.

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They're like they're pets.
Yeah.

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Because even the place where
they keep them is called the

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kennels and.
She did, yeah.

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She patted her.
Yeah, she patted her on the

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head.
Like good dog, you know, it's,

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it's, it's, it's, it's
horrendous is where it's

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horrifying is what it is.
That's OK 'cause that means when

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a Gwen finally breaks through
and she's gonna have to

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breakthrough, I'm waiting to see
the epic ass whooping that girl

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is gonna get.
And not even just her Lady Sue

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Roth as well with the way that
she's treating Loyale and Intar

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is like, and although with
Ingtar, we didn't really see him

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being mistreated, so to speak,
in this episode, but loyal,

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having him sing his his song
and, you know, put it like

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having him perform for the
guests and then her so casually

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speaking about, Oh, well, if
we're measuring riches and

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demonic that I, you know, I'm
richer than Lord Turok.

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And Oh, I should give him the
Oh, I was just it, it just oh,

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it it.
And honestly, it could have been

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a white actress playing Dwayne.
I still would be pissed.

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I still would be pissed.
But it's just a little bit more.

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Like I said last week, it's kind
of sort of like the whole

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Masande in Game of Thrones when
Cersei took her captive and put

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her back in chains after
Daenerys had freed her and she

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had lived, lived as a free
woman.

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It's just it it.
Oh.

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Yeah, and fucking fucking loyal,
man.

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I was just like they've, I mean,
it's almost like a slave owner

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making a slave singing Negro
spiritual is like perform for

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me.
I'm just like, I mean, that was

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I didn't know you could do that,
to be honest.

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Like like singing and growing
stuff.

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I was like, that was that shit
was that shit was really.

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Yeah, 'cause we don't know much
about his people.

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Background, yeah.
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The old gear, old gear seen they
can shape and grow trees and

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plants and stuff.
That's one, that's one of their

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one of the things, because
that's why she called him

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gardener and Antar called him
builder because they can do the

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same thing with stone.
Yeah.

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Oh, OK.
But I, I, I need, I need loyal

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to sing to them trees.
I have them strangle them folks

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and get them out.
I mean, I know it's not like the

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trees in Lord of the Rings, but
I he needs to do something

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'cause.
Yeah, I wonder if it depends on

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like, like the theme of the
song, like if he could sing go

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down Moses and like have have
the tree come out and like start

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grabbing people and thought like
let my people go.

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Like if that was a literal thing
and he can just start, yeah,

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that's what he needs to do.
I was hoping before Rena had

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Iguane destroyed the tree.
I was like, after I saw that, I

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was like, oh, OK, there's a tree
there, but yeah, I can do

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something.
Then the tree burned and I was

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like, damn it.
Can you regenerate it?

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I don't know.
If it was still alive.

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If part of it, like if there was
a part of it still alive, he

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could.
OK, Yeah.

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Yeah, but she had Iguane go down
to the roots.

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And that's the other thing.
Like, you're sitting here and

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you're being all happy because
you guys are working in tandem

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to do this.
And I guess E Gwaine did that so

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that she could see what the
extent of the power or the

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connection could be.
But the fact that you made her

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burn down that tree after
literally just acknowledging,

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look at the tree, E Gwaine, I
know it brings you comfort.

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Then you have her burn the tree
now, bitch.

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That's part of breaking her.
I know, but it Oh my God.

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And here's the thing, as hard as
this episode was to watch, I do

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also appreciate that they didn't
really hold back because stuff

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like that, that's a part of our
history.

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Stuff like that is still going
on in the world today, in other

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parts of the world where people
are treating other people as

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objects, as belongings, as like
you said, pets, as less than.

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And I, you know, one of the
things that we have talked about

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before and it has always been
talked about, there are a lot of

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times when TV shows, films,
books, the the media, our

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entertainment can be used to
teach people who may not be

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aware that things like this
exist.

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And I hate to say it, we know
it, especially again, with our

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current political landscape,
there really are people who have

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gone to school and who have
never really heard the truth

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about slavery, learn the truth
about how other people treat

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other people.
So I'm kind of glad to see it in

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the media so that at least
there's that point of reference.

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But yeah, we don't need another
episode like this.

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The next episode we got what, 2
episodes left this season.

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Next episode I need to go in to
get the fuck out of there or I

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need Naive and Elaine to come
and rescue her because now Naive

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is pissed she had enough reason
to get them fingers working so

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you can come rescue your friend.
Because I can't.

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I can't do this for another
episode or two.

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I I can't.
Yeah, and I actually, I kind of

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like this team of her and
Elaine.

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Like I'm like they're, they're
just mad enough to be able to do

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something.
I think I'm, I'm like, OK.

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And I and I like the balance
because my name is Hot Head.

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She's the fiery 1.
She's the one that's running off

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at the mouth.
Elaine is just so calm calm so

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yes but she gets her point
across when when they mentioned

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to Reema Sadai about Leandren
and she said Leandra Sadai what

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about her and nanny says she's a
dark friend and Reema was like

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she broke the oath all of them.
And I, like, Elaine was pissed,

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but she was so controlled.
And I was like, OK, this dynamic

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I can get because they balance
each other out.

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And even when I need was asking
her, she was like, you need to

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go.
Why?

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Why would you stay here and help
someone you barely know?

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And she was like, Iguana is my
friend.

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She's the only one I've ever
had.

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I'm staying.
I was like, OK, she didn't have

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to raise her voice.
She didn't have to get upset.

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She says it's so calm.
And I was like, OK, that's gonna

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be, I think her strongest weapon
in addition to her channeling,

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because she's going to be so
calm.

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I think people are going to look
at her and they're going to

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underestimate her.
They're going to think, oh, she

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can't do anything.
And she's she's too nice.

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She's too, you know, she's too
level headed.

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Yeah, what?
Someone mentioned how that she

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was still one of the more
powerful, one of the most

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powerful novices they've had.
OK, I can't remember if it was

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Shiriam or.
Oh, I think Alana mentioned it

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when they were when they were
talking Yeah when she was

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talking with Sharon Sadai.
Yeah, but not even Elaine being

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in the House of Rima Sadai and
learning a little bit about the

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Sean Chan and what they do to
the women and her cautioning

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them, hey, you can't channel
because they can sense it, their

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demonic and sense when a woman
channels.

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And her giving the little
background about the Adam that

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she has because she was like,
yeah, couple of our sisters got

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captured.
Two of them have.

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Did she say two of them died and
then one of them was made into a

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Damani, I think, Yeah.
So she was talking about that.

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And when she brings them the
Adam to try to figure out how to

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take the loose, they have to be
very careful with it.

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And while they're sitting there,
she and Elaine are trying to

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work it out.
And Nynev gets ready to try.

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She can't do it.
She's like, Nope, can't do it.

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And Rima's trying to walk her
through.

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I was like, Rima.
This might not be the best time

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to get Nynev to to use her
powers because we saw in the

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episode the blonde headed Damani
and her What do they call them?

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I forgot so.
Dom.

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So, so Dom, we saw them walking
through the town, so they are

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actually looking for Naive and
Elaine.

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The last thing you need is an
out of control Naive to let go

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of power.
And that's exactly what

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happened.
It was just a second, but it was

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enough to bring them to the
doorstep.

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I was just like, I also like
that Elaine didn't hesitate in a

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calling.
I need out 'cause my knee was

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being a hot and and and nasty
and Elaine was like, hold up,

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I'm not the reason we're in this
position.

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She was like I barely spoke 2
words to Leandros to die.

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But you on the other hand, you
didn't got chummy, chummy with

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her.
It's your fault.

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And then you couldn't you
couldn't channel back when we

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tried to escape this Your fault.
We are here because you can't do

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what you're supposed to do.
And I'm glad my name was like,

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yeah, I realized what I did or
what I didn't do.

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That's why I'm trying to make
sure that we do.

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We're supposed to do we go save
it way.

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OK, Yeah.
I'm gonna have to do it now

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'cause Remus to die.
Her water they took on the

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demonic.
OK, I will say this for Remus to

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die the way she folded them
bitches up into pretzels, right?

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I'm not going to lie, the the I
just want to say this.

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We know the green Aza are the
battle Aza.

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We know what the blue Aza can
do.

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We know the red Aza can, you
know, tear some crap up.

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But let me tell you, healers,
they know everything about your

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body.
Yep.

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And they're going to use the the
power in some novel ways to to

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make you feel things.
When she did the first one, I

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was like, oh, she's breaking
bones.

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And then, of course, because
she's breaking the sole Dom's

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bones, the Damani is feeling
what the sole Dom does.

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Or was she doing the Damani and
the sole?

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No.
Yeah, but you're right, it was

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the sole Dom.
Yeah, because I don't think she.

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I don't I don't think she would
have attacked the Damani because

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the Damani have no control.
So when she did it to the first,

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well, I was like, oh, OK.
That second one, I don't know

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what it is about that one, but I
think it's almost like the

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director said, we really want
you to see what this woman is

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capable of.
They did that shit almost in

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slow motion.
They showed every single break

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and fold like she went
backwards, her arm.

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I was just like.
It's just like you remember, you

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remember those little snake
puzzles where you where you like

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had it and you could like bend
everyone and turn it into like a

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little ball.
Yes.

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Like and I was like, it's like
breaking.

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It's like breaking, breaking
threes to die boogaloo.

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I was just like.
Right now I have a question

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about the Soul Dom and the
Damani and and the the Adam that

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they are using.
Because we saw with Rena and

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Iguane when they connected,
there was a little bit of a

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Gwen's threads weaves going into
the cuff that Reynold wears.

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Now the Sodoms they can't
channel at all, correct?

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The the the cuffs or whatever
they use.

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Is that what pulls?
You asking me am I?

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I'm asking you.
'Cause you asking me, I'm not

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the one that read the books.
You're the expert.

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I was just wondering because
because I was thinking, I was

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like, OK, maybe they have a
little bit of channeling ability

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and them being the soul Dom
connected to the Damani enhances

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that.
But I was like, if they could

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channel, they would be Damani
too.

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As far as we know, in this show
they always leash any woman who

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can channel.
OK, so this full downs looks

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like we cannot.
As far as we know in the show to

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this point, we only know that
the Sean Chan leash any woman

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that can channel.
OK, I'm shout shout out to rims

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to die and her warder during the
dance like and her giving him a

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little bit of it and him going.
I was like, that's fire.

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Like, did you notice, did you
notice that she couldn't use the

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power until one of them was in
danger?

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Yes.
Because of the oath, yeah.

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Because of the oath.
Yes, I did notice that.

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But but boy, once they were in
danger, she did not hesitate.

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Like I said, she pulled them
bitches up like pretzels.

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Like you can hear their bones
crack, cracking.

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And she burned one too.
Yes, she did.

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I was just like, when they
killed Busan, I was like, you

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know what?
We needed him and her for more

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than one episode.
Those were two very, very

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powerful Isodine Waters.
And I was like, he's dead.

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She's collared, but that's OK.
If she's collared, that means

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there's a chance.
There is a chance because I I'm

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sorry, even though I haven't
watched season 3 yet, you you're

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not going to keep these
characters prisoner for that

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long.
Matt was different because Matt

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was you know, Matt didn't have
any powers and they were trying

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to keep him away from something
that can influence him.

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That's different.
These they're too powerful.

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But the interesting thing about
where a Gwaine is after she has

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the very unpleasant experience
with Renna and Renna leaves her,

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she hears a woman on the other
side of her wall chanting some

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of the things that Renna says to
her about how a a demonic cannot

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hurt a slow down without
inflicting twice the pain on

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herself, even unto death and all
this other stuff.

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If Wayne is trying to figure out
who this person is and we don't

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find out who it is until later
on in the episode, once if Wayne

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kind of gives in, she's upset.
She starts screaming at herself

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and the lady says, don't.
She was like, don't feel bad,

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sister, you lasted longer than I
did.

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And I'm a sitter of the blue
Asha.

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And then you see the chick that
Moraine was talking to in the

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first in the first season.
And I was like, Can you imagine?

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She's only there because Moraine
didn't go on the mission.

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She was sending her on.
Moraine got herself banished.

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That could have easily been
Moraine sitting in that cell.

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And I was just like, So what is
the sitter?

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Is that like the leader of that
particular group?

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I'll say it depends on the Aza
because sometimes the person who

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leads the Aza is not a sitter.
OK.

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If that makes sense.
But some I just they treat it

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differently than others.
I mean being a sitter is an

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important but sometimes a person
running an Odger may not choose

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to be a sitter.
They'll pick their sitters, but

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they may like to rent things
from behind the scenes.

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OK, OK.
But yeah, when I saw her, I just

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looked and I was like wait.
And then my mind started

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thinking I was like, oh, that
could have been Moraine.

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And then a whole, this would
have been a whole different show

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if that had been Moraine.
But oh, OK, yeah, I OK, let's

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get out of palm for right now
because we've had enough.

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Oh God.
We've had enough with that.

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Oh, wait a minute.
No, because I have to mention

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one more thing that, like,
really got me hot from jump.

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The opening scene in the episode
is this bitch dragging Egg Wayne

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by the leash into OK, so we're
all in agreement.

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Rena needs to die, right?
And she needs to die.

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Very slow, painful death.
Oh yeah, yeah.

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OK.
Yeah, like you, she's one of

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those characters where, you
know, one thing I like I say I

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do like about the show is how
they give depth to some

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characters to make them more
than just, it seems like even if

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they try to make you have some
sympathy for Rena, No.

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No, no, kind of like we have.
To remember what she, what she

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is and what she's doing.
Yeah.

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And then even if you can't
remember that, all you have to

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like it's in the background.
All you have to do is look at

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Gwen's face, like her cheek is
torn up.

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Like I said, her, her eye is so
bloody, like whoever did the

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makeup is is great.
But all you have to do is look

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at her face and you're like, oh,
yeah, no, we don't like you.

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We don't like you.
But OK, since I mentioned her,

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let's talk about Leandra real
quick.

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Man, you see, they are they did
they try to do it again?

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I almost felt bad for her when
what's her name killed her

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father.
I was like.

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Her son.
Her son.

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I'm sorry, I always sucks.
Keep saying I was right there.

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I was like, yeah, it's, I was
like right there trying to be

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almost feeling sorry for when I
was like, no, I fucked that

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bitch real.
Real quick, you saw Leandra

443
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,960
throw some fiery at land fear.
She's like, she's like, yeah.

444
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:23,440
Just like like there's like.
Power.

445
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,520
Went deep, Wolverine.
Yeah, she was like the first

446
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,960
ones, a freebie next time I.
Will do it again.

447
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:31,600
I'm gonna play your play the
skin from your bones.

448
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:40,840
Yeah, but it's interesting
watching Leandra's like her

449
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,560
facial expressions and the way
she reacts to things now.

450
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:48,640
Because I think now that it's
kind of out in the open that she

451
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:54,720
is black Asha and that she is a
dark friend, you can see exactly

452
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,240
where her motivations are, like
very clearly.

453
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:02,240
There is no pretense anymore.
And it's like when Landfair

454
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:06,280
walks into her house and she
starts, how did you?

455
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:08,960
Oh, I've been, I've been
listening into your dreams.

456
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,760
And she was like, you got some
interesting fixations.

457
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,560
And it's like Leandra, really,
she was talking to.

458
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:20,920
She was like, oh, yeah.
So Ishmael told me he freed you.

459
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,360
But she was like, hold on, I'm
not here for small talk.

460
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:27,480
This is what I'm here for.
She was like 1, you hate men

461
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,480
except this one.
And then she kind of gives us a

462
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,560
little bit of Leandra's back
story, which kind of explains

463
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:37,120
because you remember I was like,
how is somebody that hates men

464
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:41,160
so much?
How does she stomach laying with

465
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,880
a man long enough to get
pregnant and have a son even?

466
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:46,560
You know, it's like one of those
things.

467
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:51,800
OK, so now we know, now we know
she was beaten and starved and

468
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:53,920
forced to marry before she even
bled.

469
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,960
So she was a child bride,
probably forced into, you know,

470
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,120
sexual relationship with her
husband.

471
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,520
That's probably where the child
came from.

472
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,680
So OK, I get it.
That's probably the one good

473
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:09,480
thing in the world to her is, is
that son, regardless of the

474
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,800
circumstances, regardless of how
he came into the world, that was

475
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:17,800
the one thing she had that she
loved, that she felt like

476
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,400
belonged to her.
But it was also the one thing

477
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:24,640
that was holding her back from
her, as Laffier said, her full

478
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:28,160
potential.
So Laffier goes over and she

479
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:32,040
starts killing him.
And it's so interesting because

480
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,480
on the one hand, you look at the
engine and you see where she's

481
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,240
upset.
She doesn't want to happen.

482
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:44,400
But at the same time, you see
relief on her face, like, I'm so

483
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:49,240
glad someone else is doing this,
that I don't have to be the one

484
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,000
to do it, that I don't have to
be the one to keep holding on.

485
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:57,400
Is that landfill said you, you,
you swear the OC keep him alive.

486
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:03,040
But this is not life, right?
And she says I know, so she she

487
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:04,520
knows it's wrong.
Yeah.

488
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:08,480
But she part of her can't let
him go, and he should have been

489
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,840
let go a long time.
Ago, long time ago, long time

490
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,840
ago.
And now he's gone and landfill

491
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:19,080
was like, you swear you're owes
to the dark, not to Ishmael,

492
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:22,240
which I always have to keep
reminding myself.

493
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:27,560
They're two separate things
because again, Season 1 at the,

494
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,320
you know, at the eye of the
world, you're thinking, oh,

495
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,280
Ishmael, this he's the dark one
and he's the big bad.

496
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,840
No, he's like a step under the
big bad.

497
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,960
There's still something that's
bigger and badder.

498
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:44,160
And that's who Leandra has
pledged herself to men as well.

499
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,160
And it's just like, yeah, you
can't go back.

500
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,520
You can't change your mind.
You can't say, oh, you know

501
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,320
what?
This is taking a little bit more

502
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,240
than I expected.
Hey, did did you say men?

503
00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:01,600
Men didn't swear nails.
She didn't.

504
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:03,160
Oh, OK.
Yeah, no, it's excuse.

505
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,640
Me a deal with some of them.
OK.

506
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:11,200
Which is not the same thing.
OK, OK, but but Leandran

507
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:16,760
definitely made some some oaths
and and like I said, right after

508
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:22,800
the landfair says that to her,
she looks at Leandra and Leandra

509
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,400
and of course she has the she
has the little tears coming down

510
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,800
for her son.
But if you look at her face, she

511
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,480
has this little smirk at the
end.

512
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,840
Like OK, now I can do 'cause
what?

513
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,480
What is it that landfill says?
Something she said something

514
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:41,280
about about now we can see her
through potential.

515
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,960
That wasn't the phrasing, but
that's basically what the gist.

516
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:45,920
Of it's like, it's like, it's
like he was, he was the only

517
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:47,760
thing holding her, really
holding her back.

518
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:50,480
And then she put that little
smirk.

519
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,080
I was like, yeah, She's kind of
glad he's gone now.

520
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:56,760
Like she doesn't have to feel
guilty about it anymore because

521
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,960
he's no longer in pain.
She doesn't have to feel guilty

522
00:32:59,960 --> 00:33:02,560
about holding on to him for so
long.

523
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:04,680
She can just be like, OK, you
know what?

524
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,880
And and I didn't even have
anything to do, cuz what am I

525
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:11,760
going to do against Landfair if
she's like, OK, your son needs

526
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:13,320
to die and I'm going to take
him.

527
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,280
What did she say?
This is something only only a

528
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,280
woman can give to another woman.
A gift, though, that can only be

529
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:24,040
given from woman to woman.
Yeah, she's probably like, OK,

530
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,920
yeah, this is a gift.
You've you've freed him, but you

531
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:30,480
freed me.
Now I can go be the the big bad

532
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:35,720
ass that I'm sure she's about to
because now she has that was the

533
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,400
last little piece of her
humanity.

534
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:42,680
Yeah, she didn't have enough
power to stop land fear even if

535
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:46,600
she wanted to, and she's too
selfish to to put herself in

536
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:51,040
harm's way to begin with.
But also, like I said, Land Fear

537
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:52,480
took that decision out of her
hand.

538
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,920
So I think she was she was
happy.

539
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,560
She was relieved.
Well, I won't say happy because

540
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:02,320
I do believe that she was upset
that her son died, but I would

541
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:06,680
say only for a moment cause and
I'll tell her how long her son

542
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:11,400
has been languishing like that.
You just freed her.

543
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,520
You just opened everything up
for her.

544
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:17,159
The.
Interesting, interesting thing

545
00:34:17,159 --> 00:34:22,960
to think about is the Dark One
could have made him like that a

546
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:27,360
long time ago to to be that way,
to entrap her.

547
00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:32,520
That's how the Dark One works.
He wasn't ever going to make him

548
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:33,960
better.
He was going to leave him

549
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:38,199
exactly the way he was, make him
worse and barely alive.

550
00:34:38,199 --> 00:34:42,440
Ah.
OK.

551
00:34:43,639 --> 00:34:44,280
Yeah.
And then?

552
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:47,440
That's a speculation because
again, this is not in the books.

553
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:51,960
Yeah, yeah.
She was beaten and and starved

554
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:55,679
and and abused by men when she
was little, but she didn't have

555
00:34:55,679 --> 00:34:59,760
no children.
OK, so that's, that's more of

556
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:03,320
that giving depth to the
character where in the book she

557
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,720
really didn't have any.
Yeah, OK.

558
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:11,120
Yeah, but she's free to be a
even bigger bitch now than she

559
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:16,240
than she has been.
So I'm just I, I don't know, I'm

560
00:35:16,240 --> 00:35:18,320
like, OK, So what is this about
to look like?

561
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:24,160
What is Leandron without the
leash about to look like?

562
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:29,120
Which technically speaking,
she's still, she's still kind of

563
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:34,800
playing the role as we see later
on when when the ambulance seat

564
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,160
ends up in Kyrie in but we'll
get to that.

565
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:39,480
But yeah, she's still playing
that role.

566
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,800
She's I think she's a little
more snarky and I think she's

567
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,720
when she, when she approached
the ambulance seat, what'd she

568
00:35:47,720 --> 00:35:49,560
say?
The last time the ambulance seat

569
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:54,000
called 14 sisters to Kyrie and
we were putting the, we were

570
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,360
putting the the king on the
throne.

571
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,680
So what are we doing here?
And so Juan just kind of looked

572
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:04,240
at her like, bitch, if you don't
get out my face and I.

573
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,320
Was just like.
I was like, she's gotten a

574
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:11,400
little bit more bold because
she's always been outspoken,

575
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:16,000
even with the ambulance seat,
but not to that degree.

576
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,160
Like everybody else was standing
back.

577
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,160
She was the only one that
actually like approached her and

578
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,640
got in her personal space.
I was like, oh, we've been

579
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:27,760
mighty bold now that we don't
have anything tethering us to

580
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:35,480
some common sense, I mean.
I mean, I think, I think we just

581
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,360
haven't seen her in that kind of
position.

582
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,960
So she probably has always been
like that because remember,

583
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:43,480
she's not bound by the three
oaths.

584
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:48,160
So if she decides to attack
everybody, it'll be too late

585
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:51,600
before they can do anything.
Yeah, because none of them

586
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:53,800
suspect her of being able to do
that.

587
00:36:54,240 --> 00:36:56,440
Right.
Or none of the none of the ones

588
00:36:56,440 --> 00:37:00,080
that are with them.
It's like everybody who who

589
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:05,160
knows is what Varin even though
Yasica was there, but I didn't

590
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:09,000
see Varin.
I didn't see the other brown Aja

591
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:14,920
and yeah.
But but it does give her like a

592
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:20,480
certain she's she's already a
overconfident person, but the

593
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:24,120
fact that she knows that she can
walk into a room of eyes to die

594
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,960
and be like, I can murder every
single one of them right now if

595
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,960
I wanted to before they even
realized what was happening.

596
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,120
Yeah.
Yeah, that that gives her sort

597
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:38,560
of an edge anyway.
So it is possible that his death

598
00:37:38,720 --> 00:37:42,440
may have freed some of her
inhibitions, but I'm.

599
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,400
Almost emboldened her a little.
Bit emboldened her.

600
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,280
I'm almost certain it wouldn't
matter because I think she's I

601
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,440
think she's already like this.
I can't stand her.

602
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:54,000
I don't I can't stand in a book.
I can't stand her on the show,

603
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,880
but I'm almost certain that it
didn't make that much of a

604
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:02,880
difference, especially in the
way she talks to someone.

605
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:08,400
Because I I really believe that
her, Swan and Maureen were all

606
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,880
in the same.
They're all novices at the same.

607
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:13,640
Yeah.
So they haven't liked each

608
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,960
other.
Yeah, she probably got mad

609
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:21,200
because I, I don't know what the
the process is for becoming the

610
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:25,240
ambulance seat, but she probably
like her.

611
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,320
Yeah, yeah.
It's like I remember when you

612
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,680
used to drink that dirty water
just like everybody else.

613
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,920
I don't think anybody else would
have drank that dirty water.

614
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:41,880
My knee was just.
She just has a chip on herself.

615
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:46,640
So difficult.
Yeah, but hopefully my knees

616
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:50,480
experiences in this episode will
make her see.

617
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:57,040
Sweetheart, you need to sit
down, shut up, pay attention and

618
00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:01,480
be smart about what it is you're
trying to do 'cause she is out

619
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:07,680
of her league right now.
I was a powerful, powerful

620
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,640
channeler and she just got
captured.

621
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:16,480
The other sister, the the one
that that's the sitter of the

622
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:22,040
blue Asha, probably powerful.
She got captured.

623
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:31,080
And let me ask you a question.
Rinna mentioned that the Adars

624
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:37,400
were created by an Icidi, not
that Icidi is it?

625
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:41,280
OK, I I see the smirk and I'm
looking at OK, no spoilers

626
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:42,240
probably.
OK.

627
00:39:42,240 --> 00:39:44,920
So that's probably.
Something we'll buy about later.

628
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:49,040
The the Adam was.
I don't know if they're going to

629
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:53,640
go into that much detail in the
lore, but it was created by an

630
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:58,240
Icidi and Santian.
OK.

631
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:03,840
So it it was.
OK, Yeah, we'll.

632
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:05,360
They are.
They're technically they're

633
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:12,640
angrial, I think turn around.
Yeah, because I think Elaine

634
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:16,680
mentions it when they're trying
to figure out how to open it so

635
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:17,880
that they could try to get it
out.

636
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:23,800
And it's interesting because
naive when she finally does get

637
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:29,600
a hold of it and she she looks
at it, she was like, it needs

638
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,960
healing.
The only way it can be healed is

639
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,080
to be put on a woman.
I'm like, hey, ow.

640
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:44,720
Like I can't even imagine
someone having the mindset that,

641
00:40:44,720 --> 00:40:48,560
OK, I'm going to create this
piece of whatever.

642
00:40:49,240 --> 00:40:53,680
And the only way that they can
be whole is by enslaving

643
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,160
someone.
Like the mindset you have to

644
00:40:56,160 --> 00:41:01,920
have to put that kind of thought
into making that.

645
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:05,080
And then we see what it does.
Like we said, a Gwen, she can't,

646
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:09,840
she can't even think about
harming Rena without it causing

647
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:14,120
physical harm to her.
She got one punch off to Rena

648
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:18,640
and what happened?
She almost looked like she broke

649
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:22,840
her nose because she gets twice
whatever Rena gets.

650
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:26,640
So if they're in battle, if
they're wherever and they're

651
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:31,440
connected, Rena gets hit, Iguane
gets hit and it's going to hurt

652
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:36,120
her twice as much, Rena gets
dead, Iguane going to be double

653
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:41,800
dead.
And like I said, thinking about

654
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:47,400
someone who has enough.
And I don't even know if it's

655
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:56,680
hate or just a sense of
entitlement, having that sense

656
00:41:56,720 --> 00:42:01,200
of wanting to oppress someone
that you create this peace.

657
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:08,800
And that's exactly what it does
to almost perfect execution.

658
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:14,560
I was.
Yeah, to make for it to for it

659
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:17,480
to work, he has to feel has to
be whole.

660
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:23,760
And the only way to be whole is
to be attached to a female

661
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,080
channeler.
That's terrible.

662
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:30,480
It is now I have a question.
You may not you may not know the

663
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,560
answer to this.
Would something like that?

664
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:37,000
And Adam, would that work on a
male channeler?

665
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,640
You mean Could you make
something that does that?

666
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,640
Well, I mean, obviously if you
can make one for the women, you

667
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:49,560
can make one for the male.
I was just wondering, those

668
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:54,600
particular ones, they're only
for women that yes.

669
00:42:56,440 --> 00:43:02,000
OK, OK.
And if anyone ever made one for

670
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:06,760
a man in the book, it it, it's
completely different.

671
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:08,280
It's a completely different
system.

672
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,920
Of course it is.
Because, well, because the

673
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:16,360
males, the male, remember the
male and the female sadin and

674
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:20,680
Sadar are different, so they
have to be treated differently.

675
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:24,760
OK, the they haven't explained
it very well in the show, but

676
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,880
they're very different as far as
power.

677
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:33,440
Like they still use the same
elements but men are strong, and

678
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:37,760
I think I said this before, men
are strong in fire and earth.

679
00:43:38,240 --> 00:43:40,480
And.
Women are strong in water and

680
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:44,160
air and they're both equally
strong in spirit, right?

681
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:51,920
So, you know, so dealing with
something that can be used by

682
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,560
the weaves because they're just
different.

683
00:43:54,720 --> 00:43:59,000
So the system would have to be
different for a male and then

684
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,960
the book is is very different.
OK.

685
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:04,120
It's the same principle, but
it's different.

686
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:08,440
OK, I don't think it's too
spoilery.

687
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:13,040
I don't think it's spoilery.
But you know when they, when

688
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:16,600
they, because you asked the
question when they did have the

689
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:25,280
male Adam, it took you, you have
to have three women controlling

690
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:26,640
the lease.
OK.

691
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:30,440
It's it's a totally different
system.

692
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:36,160
OK, gotcha.
Well, hopefully we don't we, we

693
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,640
don't see them have to explain
that in this cause like I said.

694
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:42,600
Yeah, they, they've, they,
they've changed some things and

695
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,600
made things more simple.
So I don't think it would be

696
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,840
like that if they did.
Yeah, I I I'm just saying it's

697
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:55,320
bad enough we see Egwayne and
Rima and all the others, you

698
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:58,880
know, basically hostage to the
system.

699
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,040
I don't need to see them
illustrated on a man.

700
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:03,320
I don't I did.
The question was just in my

701
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,080
head, like, yeah, could this
happen?

702
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:11,160
But OK, now we're we're gonna
come come away from farm.

703
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:17,080
Let's let's go to Carrie in
because random rain, as we

704
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:22,720
mentioned in last episode,
Moraine sent she sends Rand to

705
00:45:22,720 --> 00:45:25,600
sleep so he can meet with Land
Fear in the dream world.

706
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,320
And of course, Land fear meets
him.

707
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:31,960
And you know, she's got her
little snarky comebacks and all

708
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,880
this other stuff.
And she's talking to Rand about

709
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:38,640
how she's protecting him all
this time from Ishmael and you

710
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:41,240
should learn to trust me.
She was like, why can't you

711
00:45:41,240 --> 00:45:43,400
trust me?
He's looking at her like you got

712
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,600
me now and she actually does
every.

713
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:48,520
Time I think about Rand, I got
to hit my pressure points.

714
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:50,360
I'm sorry.
This mother, this little mother.

715
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:51,200
You know what?
Shut up.

716
00:45:51,240 --> 00:45:51,800
No.
Shut up.

717
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:55,080
No.
This episode, Were you the

718
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:58,200
person that told me that he was
almost as bad as Anakin?

719
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:01,000
Was that you?
No, They they must.

720
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:02,040
I don't think that was you.
I.

721
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:05,520
Kind of agree with it, but no it
wasn't.

722
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:11,680
Me.
Oh my God, So once Lanfear kind

723
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,240
of lets him go and he's having
this conversation with her, he's

724
00:46:14,240 --> 00:46:18,720
like, what do you want?
And she's basically like, look,

725
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,640
I, I've been protecting you.
I just, I just need you to trust

726
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:23,960
me.
We can work together.

727
00:46:24,720 --> 00:46:29,680
But and I can show you certain,
you know, I can show you certain

728
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:34,480
things like there there's a part
where Rand has his dream, same

729
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:39,240
dream we saw him have before,
where Perrin and Matt and all of

730
00:46:39,240 --> 00:46:41,440
them are dead.
And it's at his hands.

731
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:46,000
And Ishmael actually comes into
the dream and he was like, yeah,

732
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,040
this is going to be you.
This is going to be facts.

733
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:50,800
You might as well just face it,
you know.

734
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:56,200
And she actually comes into the
dream and and kind of kicks

735
00:46:56,200 --> 00:47:01,320
Ishmael out.
And it's so it it's so

736
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:04,680
interesting because throughout
all of this, when you look at

737
00:47:05,240 --> 00:47:10,560
land fear and the way that she
has been with Rand, once we find

738
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,840
out that she's a forsaken, I was
sitting here like, OK, she

739
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:17,760
really, you know, she was just
using him to, you know, maybe

740
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:21,160
get her rocks off, but also
keeping tabs up, you know, on

741
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:25,080
him for Ishmael or whatever.
But no, I think she actually

742
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:27,560
does have like genuine feelings
for Randy.

743
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:31,880
You kind of see this in her
interactions with him because

744
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:34,840
first she tells him, if we're
going to work together, if we're

745
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:38,760
going to do what we need to do,
you need to get away from

746
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:40,680
Lorraine.
And so that's what he does.

747
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:42,440
He wakes up.
He tells Morraine he was like,

748
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:44,560
yeah, I got to go far away from
you.

749
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:46,800
You can't go with me.
And Morraine was like, you can't

750
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:47,920
go off by yourself.
He said.

751
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:51,400
Landfair said if she sees us
together again, she would kill

752
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:53,120
you.
And the look of fear on

753
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:56,240
Morraine's face, because
Morraine knows if Landfair comes

754
00:47:56,240 --> 00:47:58,680
after her, she can't do shit
about it.

755
00:47:58,720 --> 00:48:00,160
Not.
A damn thing.

756
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:03,360
Not a damn.
She shut her mouth and let Ran

757
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:09,240
walk out that door.
But then later on when he has

758
00:48:09,240 --> 00:48:13,120
that dream, of course, you know,
a Gwen is one of the ones that

759
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:17,520
he sees dead on the ground.
So when when Lanfear comes to

760
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:21,280
him, she was like, OK, she said,
you said that I haven't given

761
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:24,360
you any reason to trust me.
And you're right.

762
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:28,760
So I'm willing to do that.
She was like, let me give you

763
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:34,480
the gift of a dream.
You can see anyone you want, and

764
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:39,320
you can see how much it is
killing her to say this because

765
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:43,040
her eyes keep kind of darting to
the side where, you know, Fakie

766
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:46,800
Gwen is laying on the ground
dead because she knows that's

767
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,240
the person he's going to want to
see more than anything.

768
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:52,160
And he even tells he was like, I
can see anybody.

769
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:58,440
And she's just like, like the
things I do for love anybody.

770
00:48:58,720 --> 00:49:00,200
No, that's not.
Like she was faking.

771
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:01,520
Oh no, that's.
Not.

772
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:05,320
She knew where.
He, she knew where Gwaine was,

773
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:10,840
but he I'm saying for her to
say, I will let you see anybody

774
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:13,560
that you want.
And the, the reaction she had

775
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:19,040
when she knew he wanted to see a
Gwaine, that was a OK, I, I'm in

776
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:22,360
my feelings right now because
I'm standing here in front of

777
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:25,200
you and you still want this girl
that you haven't seen in six

778
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,320
months.
That's jealousy.

779
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:31,080
She has feelings for Rand.
That is totally Whatever her

780
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:34,240
other ulterior motives, she
didn't cause some feelings.

781
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:38,480
I'm just going to say when she
had him strung up, she called

782
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,880
him Lou Theron.
She didn't call him Rand.

783
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:43,920
And I understand that, but she
ain't been sleeping with Lou

784
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:47,080
Theron for the last two months.
She been sleeping with Rand.

785
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:50,480
In her mind, she's been sleeping
with Lou, staring for the last

786
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:52,160
two.
Minutes, but she can still be a

787
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:55,360
jealous of E Gwen and you can
see it all over her face.

788
00:49:55,720 --> 00:49:58,720
It then why would she make the
offer She knew who she knew what

789
00:49:58,720 --> 00:50:03,400
he was going to act she.
Did but she but yeah, I'm

790
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:07,280
missing.
She made the offer because she

791
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:09,120
got exactly what she wanted from
him.

792
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:12,880
Afterwards, he got a chance to
see E Gwen and right before he

793
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:15,760
touched her, she pulled him back
and he was like, I'll do

794
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:21,120
anything, I will do anything.
She got what she needed from

795
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:24,920
him.
Yeah, because of big way.

796
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:29,160
And yeah, she, like I said, she
has her ulterior motives.

797
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:33,000
She's doing whatever she has to
do, whatever her agenda is when

798
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:36,160
it comes to ran loose there in
the Dragon Reborn.

799
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:39,040
But that's a girl who got some
feelings.

800
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:43,200
She's still a little jealous.
She like, you know what?

801
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:49,200
Sad note, I don't know if this
means anything, but in the book

802
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:54,720
if a male Chandler touches an
Adam, he dies.

803
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:59,600
So there's the Imani and the
Sodom.

804
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:05,120
Wait, say that again.
If a male channeler touches the

805
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:10,480
Adam while it's on the Damani,
it would kill him, the Damani

806
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:12,280
and the Sodom.
Wow.

807
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:14,560
Wow.
OK.

808
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,680
Now, I don't know if that's
going to come through here, but

809
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:22,280
for book readers, yeah, she
because that was really E Gwen

810
00:51:23,240 --> 00:51:26,600
in the dream world and that was
really ran in the dream world,

811
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:30,360
and he did not need to touch it.
No, he wasn't trying to touch

812
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:31,760
it.
He was trying to touch his face.

813
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:35,880
If he accidentally touched it.
Yeah.

814
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:41,080
They'll be dead.
So yeah, she so she stopped it

815
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:43,480
just the time.
Fucking Dwayne, man.

816
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:46,120
She's going through it like
she's going through some

817
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:48,920
bullshit right now.
Hey, if she wasn't broken, if

818
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:51,120
she wasn't broken before, she
broke in now.

819
00:51:51,720 --> 00:51:53,960
Right, yeah.
It's like from all this, all

820
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:57,080
this fucking, all the shit she's
going through here, then she

821
00:51:57,080 --> 00:52:00,440
can't even go to sleep because
Rand's over there, over there,

822
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:03,640
like mine fucking her there too.
I'm like, damn you can't you?

823
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:07,120
She gets no respite.
Like none, like fuck.

824
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:09,120
Man, it's not like he was doing
it on purpose.

825
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:10,600
Like I don't think he really
thought I.

826
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:13,160
Know he wasn't, I know he
wasn't, but still she woke up.

827
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:15,000
She was like, he was here.
He was just here.

828
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:16,520
He was here.
He was just here.

829
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,440
Like that's like, holy shit,
dude.

830
00:52:20,240 --> 00:52:27,000
Yeah, but yeah, landfill ran.
And then of course, you know,

831
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:30,040
she's like, OK, so you said
you'd do anything.

832
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:32,800
OK, we need to go to, we need to
go to a farm.

833
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:40,400
OK, So while they're in Korean,
on the other side, you have Matt

834
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:44,280
and men who have arrived in
Korean.

835
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:49,400
And of course, Ishmael comes to
men and he's like, OK, yeah, you

836
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:52,560
need to make sure they meet up.
And she's like, I don't want to

837
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:53,840
do this.
I don't want to do this.

838
00:52:54,600 --> 00:53:01,120
Sweetheart, we have already
established that you are you

839
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:04,960
fucked around and found out that
you just can't be making deals

840
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:08,360
with every goddamn body and now
you're stuck.

841
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:11,240
So you you got to play this
through in order.

842
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:15,080
I I think at this point she
doesn't even care about getting

843
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:17,280
her visions taken away.
She's just like, I don't want to

844
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:18,720
do this to Matt.
He's a nice guy.

845
00:53:18,720 --> 00:53:21,240
I like him, he's cool, he's my
friend.

846
00:53:21,240 --> 00:53:24,680
I don't want to do this.
Ain't ain't too much you can do

847
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:29,640
about that now.
So of course Matt is over there

848
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:32,480
gambling and losing money.
Losing money?

849
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:37,400
Imagine that, huh?
And Rand happens to hear his

850
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:40,480
voice.
Now I will say this, when they

851
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:45,280
reunited, I was very happy.
I was very emotional, 'cause I

852
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:50,720
was like, I feel like both of
them needed a win.

853
00:53:50,720 --> 00:53:54,520
They needed something positive.
And them seeing each other, the

854
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:57,360
way that Matt grabbed him and
just started crying, I was just

855
00:53:57,360 --> 00:54:02,440
like, yeah, I'm gonna break our
hearts this episode again.

856
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:07,200
I'm like, OK, let me just enjoy
this for the moment.

857
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:11,680
But then when Rand, you know,
Rand tells him about everything

858
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:14,160
that happened because of course
Matt is asking where everyone

859
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:16,600
else is.
He's like, oh, yeah, kind of had

860
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:21,520
them, you know, believe that I'm
dead, but I need to go to farm.

861
00:54:21,720 --> 00:54:25,760
I need to go with Rescue Wayne
and blah, blah, blah, blah,

862
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:27,440
blah.
OK, I'm gonna go with you.

863
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:29,800
Rand is like, you don't have to
go with me.

864
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:32,360
Oh, yes, I'm going with you.
He was like, I have been without

865
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:35,400
my friends for six months.
I'm not doing this shit again.

866
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:38,920
I'm going with you.
Then when he goes to tell Men

867
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:42,440
that he's going to go, Men is
already up there drinking

868
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:45,760
herself into a stupor because
she's feeling guilty.

869
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:50,000
And then she tells Matt you
can't go because if you go with

870
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:52,040
him, you're going to kill him.
And Matt was like, what?

871
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:55,120
And then that's when he
realizes.

872
00:54:55,120 --> 00:55:00,400
And I felt so bad for him
because he was like, so you set

873
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,480
me up?
So when did you set me up?

874
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:04,160
When we escaped.
Oh, no.

875
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:11,000
Before we met, he was like, and
she said, yeah, I was told to

876
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:14,160
bring you here by Ishmael and
blah, blah, blah.

877
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:17,040
She was like, you can't go
'cause you're gonna kill him.

878
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:21,880
And the look on Matt's face, you
could tell Matt almost wanted to

879
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:23,840
say like, fuck you, I'm going
anyway.

880
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:28,320
But then he's hiding behind
everything when Rand is at the

881
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:31,400
gate waiting for him.
And I was just, I just, oh, I

882
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:34,640
was like, y'all, can our people
just get a win?

883
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:38,880
We got one that's collared.
We got two other ones that's,

884
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:45,280
you know, in hiding, watching
and Asha sacrifice herself for

885
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:48,800
them, and you got Parent.
Well, we don't even know where

886
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:51,960
Parent is right now because we
didn't see him at all in this

887
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:53,280
episode.
Where my dogs at?

888
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:57,960
Women with the wolves.
You got Ingtar and Loyale being

889
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:01,080
slaves, very pretty ones.
I have.

890
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:07,600
I hate.
They're not slaves, they're

891
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:10,560
servants.
They are not free to go and they

892
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:14,880
are treated like the help.
They are slaves and and the

893
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:19,760
thing that makes me so mad, I
can't even I can't even like

894
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:25,720
admire their outfits because
they're slaves.

895
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:28,520
They just smell pretty to some.
He.

896
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:30,520
Tried to look amazing, didn't
he?

897
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:35,160
Yes, he did.
I was like, Oh no, not even just

898
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:39,960
him, Loyale look regal and his
and I was like, I can't even

899
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:42,800
like this.
Like the colors are beautiful.

900
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:46,120
The the the outfits are
gorgeous.

901
00:56:46,240 --> 00:56:49,000
How do they get Antar to wear
the thing on his head?

902
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:52,320
Like really, God it.
Probably was like, you either

903
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:55,960
wear this or you die.
We already know Antar's like

904
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:58,360
look, this shit ain't worth my
life.

905
00:56:58,440 --> 00:56:59,720
What?
What you need me to do?

906
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:02,680
OK, Why you?
But you know, he but you, you

907
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:05,640
know, he working on things in
his head, 'cause he's like, OK,

908
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:09,560
he knows exactly where the, the
horn of Valir is.

909
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:11,680
He, he's working it out in his
head.

910
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:13,760
Just give him time.
He just needs some time.

911
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:16,520
Yeah, that's why I was like,
yeah, he's he's sitting there

912
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:18,280
like, oh, you need me to wear
this, OK.

913
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:23,560
And he is gathering information.
He was like, yeah, Torok has a

914
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:26,600
room of curiosities and the horn
of Valir is in there.

915
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:28,960
He was like, they don't even
have guards on it.

916
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:31,720
I guess that's I guess that's
their honor system.

917
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:33,400
They don't even think it's going
to be stolen.

918
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:37,120
He was like, they got more
guards at the kennels watching

919
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:39,400
the demonic, then they do the
treasures.

920
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:42,840
And I was like, yeah, that's how
you know what they value most?

921
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:48,200
Their pets, their slaves.
I was like, I want all these

922
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:50,400
people now.
All these people with their ugly

923
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:55,880
Gary Oldman from The Fifth
Element, haircuts and all.

924
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:01,560
Is that first reference?
Oh, second reference besides

925
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:03,920
Anakin.
Like I just want all y'all to

926
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:07,520
die, just die cause y'all are
y'all are in here looking so

927
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:14,280
stupid and oh I get on my.
Nerves it's like it's like they

928
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:17,760
they all looked out looked like
some weird futuristic kind of

929
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:21,680
cyberpunk video game characters
they're like they like cyberpunk

930
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:26,280
NPC's just like sitting around
with yeah with bald sides and

931
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:29,760
colored and Tri colored like
like hair coming out of the top

932
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:33,400
of their head it's like.
Yeah, no, I'm looking in the

933
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:37,920
background.
Lady Surroth looks like, I can't

934
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:39,320
even remember his name right
now.

935
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:42,440
She looks like Gary Oldman in
Fifth Element.

936
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:46,400
Yeah, she.
Does like the only thing she

937
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:50,080
doesn't have is the little
plastic thing on her head, but

938
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:52,120
everything else she could be his
sister.

939
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:56,160
That's so weird, 'cause I didn't
even think about that until I

940
00:58:56,160 --> 00:59:00,640
was just looking at now like,
oh, that's what she look, but

941
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:04,040
OK.
But yes, Ingtar is very much

942
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:08,760
trying to figure some things out
and his whole thing is we're

943
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:10,240
trying to get the horn of the
Lear.

944
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:13,240
Loyal was like, we going to get
my girl.

945
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:19,280
He was like, you know, what did
he say their strength up under

946
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:23,040
that, that soft exterior?
He was like, yeah, if anybody

947
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:27,800
can survive in that, she can.
But I ain't trying to leave her

948
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:29,160
in there.
We need to figure that out.

949
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:31,840
He was like, yeah, we can get
the horn of a lid too, but we

950
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:34,760
going to get a Wayne, too.
Loyal is.

951
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:38,760
He's very, very much like Loyal.
He is loyalty, right?

952
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:43,760
Like look.
Robert Jordan was not being, you

953
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:45,120
know, he's been trying to hide
it.

954
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:47,880
Loyal boy.
OK.

955
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:51,000
I mean, he can't, he can't, he
can't be, he can't be a devious,

956
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:53,960
backstabbing character with a
name like Loyal.

957
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:56,720
No.
Loyale with cheese.

958
00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:59,840
But ain't I was like, they have
her.

959
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:02,000
What is it?
They have her guarded.

960
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:03,680
He was like the place that they
have her.

961
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:06,280
They call it the kennels.
So I think he was trying to

962
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:09,600
convey to Loyale like this is
the dire situation she is in.

963
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:12,480
Loyale's looking like that's OK,
we'll go get her.

964
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:15,120
Loyale.
Like I don't even fuck what they

965
01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:17,800
call it.
OK, How many guards we go figure

966
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:21,040
out a way to go save her so.
I'm just saying it's like

967
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:23,200
because they don't.
I don't even think that they

968
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:25,440
we'll have a reason to go see
him.

969
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:27,800
I don't think they're even let
over there, are they?

970
01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:29,560
Probably not.
Probably not.

971
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:32,560
Yeah.
So it's like, OK, it's it's not

972
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:34,280
like something you pass by every
day.

973
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:36,120
You could, you could just knock
on the door, be like, we're

974
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:38,280
coming to get you.
Like no, you got you.

975
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:41,840
Got actually the only thing I
can think of is that they would

976
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:46,720
have them go over there.
I don't know to to do something.

977
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:50,520
They might send them over there
to do something, but as it is,

978
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:54,920
they, the Sean Chan, don't even
know that those 3 even know each

979
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:56,760
other.
No, they don't.

980
01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:00,960
So that might be an advantage
for them if they decide to go,

981
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:05,000
you know, over in that area.
At least they can let Iguen

982
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:09,040
know, hey, we're here.
Maybe not in so many words, but

983
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:10,480
she can see them from the
window.

984
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:12,320
And she'll be like, oh, OK, I'm
not alone.

985
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:16,040
Maybe something is going on.
Maybe they can, maybe they can

986
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:18,000
get him, get him to go over
there and try to sing that tree

987
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:19,520
back to life.
And then she's like, hey.

988
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:23,320
Listen, that's what I was
suggesting earlier in this

989
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:27,120
episode, Like go do the singing,
have the tree, like pluck her

990
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:29,800
out of the cell.
Or at least, you know, maybe

991
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:32,120
snatch Rena up when she's
leaving the cell.

992
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:35,360
I mean.
Go down Equate.

993
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:37,560
What?
What happened?

994
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:43,960
I mean, cause if something,
something needs to happen to

995
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:46,520
her, she needs to have a very
bad accident.

996
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:52,440
But anyway, we need to talk
about Moraine and her stuff and

997
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:55,640
LAN and Alana and and their
group.

998
01:01:55,640 --> 01:01:58,840
So we're going to start with
them first because I really

999
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:00,760
thought.
I thought LAN was going to get

1000
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:03,400
his ass kicked.
I was like oh shit, I don't land

1001
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:05,680
trouble.
LAN was in fucking deep.

1002
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:09,960
I was like oh fuck, like soon as
soon as soon as soon as I've

1003
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:13,080
I've Ivan and him stopped him
from leaving.

1004
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:17,880
I was like, oh.
Now, now, to be, to be, to be

1005
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:24,240
perfectly transparent, I don't
think they could have taken man.

1006
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:26,760
Yeah.
But Lana was right behind him

1007
01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:31,480
so.
I I don't even think she's

1008
01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:35,040
really, Yeah.
Really.

1009
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:41,360
Yeah.
Man wow, a healthy LAN could

1010
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:43,680
take out Silver murdrawal by
himself.

1011
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:45,360
So.
Oh yeah?

1012
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:48,040
Well, yeah, yeah, yeah.
He didn't do that.

1013
01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:50,400
He did do that.
That's a good point.

1014
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:54,720
OK, but luckily.
It'd be tough, it'd be it'd be

1015
01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:58,480
tough, but I wouldn't say it
would be easy.

1016
01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:02,120
OK, OK.
They they have they work cut out

1017
01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:05,080
for them.
They would OK, but he he he,

1018
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:08,640
he's not a dart friend and he
respects them too much so he

1019
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:10,160
wouldn't even put them in that
position.

1020
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:13,520
Is that the reason why they
brought they, they stopped at

1021
01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:16,560
that place that that's kind of
like a forsaken temple.

1022
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:19,240
They thought that he was a dart
friend and they thought he would

1023
01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:21,880
do something.
OK, Because I was wondering now,

1024
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:26,080
at first I was like, so are they
stopping here because they're

1025
01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:28,280
Dart friends?
And then like I said, I, I like

1026
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:30,360
Alana too much.
I was like, no, she wouldn't be.

1027
01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:35,400
I think Alana is also one of
those that is like a true, I

1028
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:39,720
said she's a true friend to
Moran and I just don't see her

1029
01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:44,840
doing that.
So when Lang got ready to sneak

1030
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:47,680
out, I was sitting here trying
to figure out, I was like, so

1031
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:51,960
what's the hostility with them?
And then when they mentioned the

1032
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:56,320
poem, I forgot that they went
into his bags the last time and

1033
01:03:56,320 --> 01:03:59,880
they pulled it out and they
figured out that Land Fear was

1034
01:03:59,880 --> 01:04:02,800
walking the earth again.
So yeah, they're thinking he's a

1035
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:05,160
dart friend.
He was like, Nah, it's not like

1036
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:07,520
that.
Cause Alana came and got him and

1037
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:12,400
she was like, so you just kind
of tricked me to tell you where

1038
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:17,520
the, the ambulance seat is.
What do you need to see her for?

1039
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:20,360
She was like, and please trust
and believe we will kill you

1040
01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:22,480
where you stand.
You make the wrong move.

1041
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:26,440
And Ivan and Max and looking at
him like bro we love you but we

1042
01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:30,080
will, we will smite you down.
They we must.

1043
01:04:31,640 --> 01:04:37,320
Listen, they were looking
serious, but then laying was

1044
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:44,280
like, yeah, so Morena and I
found the Dragon Reborn and

1045
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:47,600
Alana's face, she's like, oh,
shit, OK.

1046
01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:50,400
And they go find the ambulance
seat.

1047
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:55,120
They tell her.
And it's so interesting because

1048
01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:58,000
the one when she was in the
thing and she heard what was

1049
01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:00,880
going on outside when they were
trying to say who Who are you?

1050
01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:05,000
And she had the little things.
I said I I don't know how I

1051
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:07,280
missed that the first time was
like I.

1052
01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:11,360
Was in the Crown of knives.
Yes, and then once she realized

1053
01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:16,600
it was land, she was like, so I
was like, oh, she was ready to

1054
01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:20,160
kick some ass 'cause I don't
think up to this point we

1055
01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:24,960
haven't seen Swan do anything
like Major.

1056
01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:28,480
So I was like, oh, we finna get
a fight and then it was landing.

1057
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:34,280
She was like hold up, why are
you here and why is my Boo thing

1058
01:05:34,280 --> 01:05:37,280
not with you?
Like what is going on here?

1059
01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:45,080
And so I guess Lance tells her
about the the the Dragon Reborn

1060
01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:50,440
because the next thing we know
she and 14 I said I are in

1061
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:55,680
carrion at Marine's house and I
was just like, oh, this is about

1062
01:05:55,680 --> 01:05:58,400
to get interesting.
Speaking of Lorraine.

1063
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:04,200
Oh my God.
I'm so glad she realized what a

1064
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:06,760
bitch she was being in this
episode 'cause I was like, you

1065
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:08,720
know what?
Your nephew and your sister.

1066
01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:11,120
They should.
I'm I'm glad her sister started

1067
01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:13,000
to kick her out.
I was like, I was like, how much

1068
01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:15,640
more you gonna take?
She was like, you gotta go get

1069
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:18,080
the fuck out.
Yeah, but then Lorraine turned

1070
01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:19,880
around and and she was like,
hold up.

1071
01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:21,640
I'm the eldest daughter, I'm the
heir.

1072
01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:24,240
You are staying here by my good
graces.

1073
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:29,520
I was like, you ain't even been
home in 30 years, 20 years,

1074
01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:33,280
whatever it's been.
I'm sure that can be disputed,

1075
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:38,240
but no need cause her.
I, I will say this, her sister

1076
01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:44,200
gave her a earful and she was
like, OK, I guess I am being

1077
01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:46,840
mean because when she sat down,
she she was getting ready to

1078
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:50,000
cry.
And I was like, Lorraine, do you

1079
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:55,040
realize if you're just a little
nice to them, like, like it's

1080
01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:59,720
like we said in the earlier
episode, she was nice with her

1081
01:06:59,720 --> 01:07:01,360
sister.
She sat down for tea.

1082
01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:03,520
She was able to find out where
Rand was.

1083
01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:10,240
It's like, you can catch a lot
more bees with honey.

1084
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:13,920
Come on now.
Just make you don't know what

1085
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:17,240
kind of information.
Look, your nephew is about to

1086
01:07:17,240 --> 01:07:21,080
get married and become the king.
You don't know what kind of

1087
01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:24,680
information he could have.
You don't know what kind of

1088
01:07:24,680 --> 01:07:26,560
resources he can provide you
with.

1089
01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:29,440
All you gotta do is eat the
fucking sandwich and compliment

1090
01:07:29,440 --> 01:07:31,720
him.
Is that so fucking hard?

1091
01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:38,600
She was.
I was again ready to come

1092
01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:40,000
through the screen and throttle
her.

1093
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:43,680
But I'm glad she she kind of
came to her senses and

1094
01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:46,160
apologized to him.
He looked so happy.

1095
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:50,960
But I will say this, when he
reached to give her a hug and

1096
01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:56,000
she hugged him back, I thought
about what I don't remember if

1097
01:07:56,000 --> 01:07:59,880
it was Anthony or if it was
Mike, but the look that he had

1098
01:07:59,880 --> 01:08:04,120
on his face when he was hugging
his aunt, he had this look like

1099
01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:08,560
like he did something he wasn't
supposed to do.

1100
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:15,120
And I was like, hmm, something
seems a little, I mean.

1101
01:08:16,040 --> 01:08:18,479
Right there, boy.
So I may.

1102
01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:20,000
Write, so I may write with that
boy.

1103
01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:21,960
Yeah, I don't.
I can't trust it.

1104
01:08:24,359 --> 01:08:27,120
I don't think so and then going
back to thinking about what you

1105
01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:32,080
said about it last episode,
Anthony, it's kind of like I

1106
01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:35,399
know y'all were saying that you
think on there might have been

1107
01:08:35,399 --> 01:08:39,439
the dark friend and that's how
she got her family, you know,

1108
01:08:39,439 --> 01:08:43,359
out of debt and back into, you
know, no, no what?

1109
01:08:43,399 --> 01:08:46,240
She lost.
You can say if she was, we said

1110
01:08:47,240 --> 01:08:50,319
it could, it might be, it's a
possibility.

1111
01:08:50,319 --> 01:08:53,120
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Yeah, let's let's not discount

1112
01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:56,040
that she might be.
Yeah, but you know what?

1113
01:08:57,080 --> 01:08:59,399
Her son is about to marry the
queen.

1114
01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:03,720
I think I, I think that might be
a little bit more.

1115
01:09:04,200 --> 01:09:08,080
That's that's more suspicious.
Yeah, yeah.

1116
01:09:08,279 --> 01:09:11,319
Because I, I'm going to be, I,
I'm going to be honest,

1117
01:09:11,840 --> 01:09:15,200
especially with what you said
last week, Anthony, because you

1118
01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:18,479
said in the books he marries a
man, right?

1119
01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:20,000
No, he didn't marry anyone.
What?

1120
01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:24,520
Did you say something about?
That the the person he's

1121
01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:27,520
marrying in the book, that
character's a king.

1122
01:09:27,760 --> 01:09:31,760
Oh.
OK, OK, OK, so you were saying

1123
01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:35,399
that that one that gender
swapped it so that he could be

1124
01:09:35,399 --> 01:09:37,359
marrying her in the right.
OK, right.

1125
01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:40,840
They.
They, I think they, I think they

1126
01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:43,000
gender swapped it to give him a
motivation.

1127
01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:48,040
OK.
Because for some reason this

1128
01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:51,000
show thinks everyone who's a
dark friend has to have a

1129
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:55,680
reason.
They just can't be bad people.

1130
01:09:55,960 --> 01:09:59,400
Pat and Fain, well, I mean, we
don't even know if he has a

1131
01:09:59,400 --> 01:10:03,960
reason, but I mean Pat and.
Fain he he wasn't right before

1132
01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:09,120
he became a dark friend, right?
Someone right with him to begin

1133
01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:11,920
with.
Well, and see, that's the thing

1134
01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:15,840
I was going to say, because to
me, that kind of makes it seem

1135
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:19,760
like he's a dark friend because
he wants to be a dark friend.

1136
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:23,160
Because if you think about the
behavior of all the people that

1137
01:10:23,160 --> 01:10:27,720
we've seen as dark friends so
far, none of them have been

1138
01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:32,480
happy about it.
None of them have been like, Oh

1139
01:10:32,480 --> 01:10:34,360
yes, I'm doing this because I
want to do this.

1140
01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:38,760
That motherfucker, like like
Mike said, he's marching up to

1141
01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:41,680
the High Lord with the horn of
Valera and he's skipping and

1142
01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:44,240
whistling.
Something right about that dude.

1143
01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:48,240
He is happy to be a dark friend.
He was he was already weird.

1144
01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:50,520
I'm telling you, we.
Didn't know that.

1145
01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:53,440
Yeah, he was before.
They did they They talked about

1146
01:10:53,440 --> 01:10:58,320
how he was before, but as long
as they had known him, he's

1147
01:10:58,400 --> 01:11:00,640
always been a little strange.
But he could have been a dry

1148
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:02,840
friend then too.
Yeah, but.

1149
01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:05,240
He probably was 'cause he was
over there skulking around in

1150
01:11:05,240 --> 01:11:08,400
the background, like walking
past people, like yeah, I know

1151
01:11:08,440 --> 01:11:11,720
you up there and like, you like
skulking around and shit and

1152
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:13,960
like, yeah, the money and see,
keep your eye on my fucking.

1153
01:11:14,840 --> 01:11:19,360
I mean, just not to get too deep
into Pat and fame, He's

1154
01:11:19,360 --> 01:11:22,920
basically a agent of chaos in
the book.

1155
01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:27,840
Yeah, he's a dark friend, but
he's also now got Shattered

1156
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:29,320
Logoth in him as well.
Oh.

1157
01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:32,840
Because of the dagger.
Because of the dagger, yeah.

1158
01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:35,960
OK.
OK, but he's just, he's he's

1159
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:38,920
he's literally the Joker.
Some men just want to watch the

1160
01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:40,560
world burn.
Right?

1161
01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:44,000
Like, this might be fun.
You telling me all I got to do

1162
01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:46,600
is just fuck some shit?
Of course I'll do it.

1163
01:11:47,440 --> 01:11:49,640
There's patent fame.
Right.

1164
01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:52,480
Oh, this dagger is cursed.
I want it.

1165
01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:56,600
I mean, he's just, he's just the
kind of person he is.

1166
01:11:56,840 --> 01:11:59,560
Right.
You know, because like I said,

1167
01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:04,480
in the book of all the secondary
and tertiary characters are all

1168
01:12:04,480 --> 01:12:06,000
one note.
Right.

1169
01:12:07,200 --> 01:12:10,400
But the writers in the show,
they do seem to want to give

1170
01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:13,520
everyone a motivation.
I don't think they can give

1171
01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:19,720
patent fame motivation because
he he just, you can't make one

1172
01:12:19,720 --> 01:12:22,600
up for him well.
That's it's kind of like what we

1173
01:12:23,080 --> 01:12:24,840
we talked about on some of our
other shows.

1174
01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:31,320
It's like having a redemption
arc or having a, like you said,

1175
01:12:31,320 --> 01:12:34,280
a motivation being kind of
morally ambiguous.

1176
01:12:34,600 --> 01:12:37,560
Not all bad guys have to have
any of those.

1177
01:12:37,560 --> 01:12:42,080
We can have bad characters just
because they're bad characters.

1178
01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:45,600
And I just kind of feel like Pat
and Fan is just one of those.

1179
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:48,320
Like it doesn't have to be, oh,
I was bullied as a little boy by

1180
01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:51,680
kids in the Two Rivers and
that's why I came back and did

1181
01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:53,480
this and whatever.
No, it could just be that, you

1182
01:12:53,480 --> 01:12:56,360
know what?
I like doing bad things.

1183
01:12:56,360 --> 01:13:00,920
They make me feel good and.
Because, you know, landfill she

1184
01:13:00,920 --> 01:13:04,080
want to lose staring back.
I mean, that's simple enough,

1185
01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:09,160
Lady Siroth.
She wants to become the queen of

1186
01:13:09,160 --> 01:13:14,280
the Sanskrit and motivation.
Landrin wanted to save her

1187
01:13:15,080 --> 01:13:16,280
child.
Yeah.

1188
01:13:16,600 --> 01:13:21,000
I mean, they all have their
motivations, had the fame, you

1189
01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:23,480
just want to swap.
Yeah.

1190
01:13:23,480 --> 01:13:28,480
OK, so, so now that her son's
dead, does she have a dead?

1191
01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:31,320
Does she still?
She's still a dark one.

1192
01:13:31,480 --> 01:13:33,240
Yeah, that's what.
She was telling.

1193
01:13:33,240 --> 01:13:35,400
Her, she said.
Because you make the Ode to the

1194
01:13:35,400 --> 01:13:39,680
Dark One, not to not to Ishmael.
And you can't change your mind.

1195
01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:43,720
That's what she was very
specifically letting Lander

1196
01:13:43,720 --> 01:13:44,200
know.
Yeah.

1197
01:13:44,200 --> 01:13:47,120
OK, So just because I took care
of your son, that don't mean

1198
01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:51,400
your your service is over.
Like you are in this for life.

1199
01:13:53,120 --> 01:13:53,800
Yeah.
Because.

1200
01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:59,040
I think was it her that said it
or was she saying it to Leandra

1201
01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:01,440
or to somebody else?
But it was basically like, oh,

1202
01:14:01,440 --> 01:14:04,880
yeah, once you make this oath to
the Dark One, there's no turning

1203
01:14:04,880 --> 01:14:08,920
back, there is no reneging, and
there is no, excuse me, can I

1204
01:14:08,920 --> 01:14:11,280
get a refund?
You, you can't do none of that.

1205
01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:17,120
You are in it for whatever.
So, yeah, I hope Leandra is

1206
01:14:17,120 --> 01:14:22,600
really thinking about what she
did and whether or not the price

1207
01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:29,840
that is going to be paid is is
worth it for her because, yeah,

1208
01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:34,120
I think at at this point, like I
said, I feel like with the death

1209
01:14:34,120 --> 01:14:38,360
of her son, that was the the
last of her humanity.

1210
01:14:38,360 --> 01:14:41,480
Now she could prove me wrong.
We haven't seen that.

1211
01:14:41,480 --> 01:14:46,080
They've been kind of, like we
said, throwing some, some

1212
01:14:46,160 --> 01:14:50,840
empathy here and some sympathy
there and, you know, some maybe

1213
01:14:50,840 --> 01:14:54,920
I'm OK type things.
I, I don't think she's a good

1214
01:14:54,920 --> 01:14:57,400
character.
I don't think she's redeemable.

1215
01:14:57,760 --> 01:14:59,640
They may try to do that with the
show.

1216
01:14:59,640 --> 01:15:04,560
I don't know if watching the
clip that I have seen of Season

1217
01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:06,080
3 is any indication.
Yeah.

1218
01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:08,360
I don't think that's, I don't
think that's going to happen.

1219
01:15:08,640 --> 01:15:12,160
I mean, they've already already
showed, like says she's ruthless

1220
01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:16,720
in the very first episode.
The way she took, right, she

1221
01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:18,560
dispatched of that male
Chandler.

1222
01:15:18,920 --> 01:15:21,160
Like, it was not like she like,
she didn't care.

1223
01:15:21,200 --> 01:15:24,280
Like, she she wasn't even trying
to, like, rehabilitate him.

1224
01:15:24,280 --> 01:15:26,160
She's like, no, you're dead.
No, kill him.

1225
01:15:26,280 --> 01:15:27,440
Yeah.
Die now.

1226
01:15:27,720 --> 01:15:30,480
So you you already know there's
an element of ruthlessness to

1227
01:15:30,480 --> 01:15:32,640
her.
So anything else she does from

1228
01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:34,520
that point is not really
surprising.

1229
01:15:34,840 --> 01:15:38,680
It's like, OK.
Like she like she let someone

1230
01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:40,880
kill her son without trying to
sacrifice herself.

1231
01:15:41,080 --> 01:15:42,640
Yeah, it's about right.
OK.

1232
01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:44,960
She's a dark friend, that tracks
OK.

1233
01:15:45,200 --> 01:15:49,000
Well, but see that because
that's The thing is like even

1234
01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:53,880
with those things, they do give
us a little hints of motivation.

1235
01:15:53,960 --> 01:15:58,960
As far as what she did with the
Chandler one, she knows that

1236
01:15:59,560 --> 01:16:03,800
male Chandlers are dangerous.
They're not supposed to exist.

1237
01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:06,720
And then she already has a hate,
hatred for men.

1238
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:09,080
Why does she have such a hatred
for men?

1239
01:16:09,080 --> 01:16:11,640
Well, we found that out in this
episode because when she was a

1240
01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:15,800
child, she was beaten, she was
starved and she was forced to

1241
01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:18,440
marry, you know, even before she
had her period.

1242
01:16:18,440 --> 01:16:22,920
So yeah, that would, if you're a
child, like average girl is

1243
01:16:23,200 --> 01:16:26,320
maybe between 11 and 13 when
they have their first peers.

1244
01:16:26,320 --> 01:16:30,440
So if you're younger than that
and you're forced into doing all

1245
01:16:30,440 --> 01:16:32,480
these things, then yeah, I
would.

1246
01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:36,200
I would probably have a strong
hatred towards men too, and I

1247
01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:40,160
would probably project that.
So they've given us that

1248
01:16:40,160 --> 01:16:42,320
motivation.
The thing with her son, like we

1249
01:16:42,320 --> 01:16:45,560
said, her son was way past his
expiration date.

1250
01:16:45,560 --> 01:16:50,440
Way past his expiration date.
Like there's no telling how long

1251
01:16:50,440 --> 01:16:54,040
he had been in that bed, not
able to function.

1252
01:16:54,120 --> 01:16:59,160
I think we the, the couple of
times we've seen him, he's never

1253
01:16:59,160 --> 01:17:01,560
uttered a word.
Like the most he did was he

1254
01:17:01,560 --> 01:17:03,200
reached over and grabbed her
hand.

1255
01:17:03,200 --> 01:17:08,400
But how much pain has he been in
and for how long?

1256
01:17:08,440 --> 01:17:10,400
That would be that motivation
for that.

1257
01:17:10,400 --> 01:17:14,360
As far as her not stepping in or
even raising an objection.

1258
01:17:14,360 --> 01:17:17,360
When Laffier got ready to do it,
'cause you, you heard her, She

1259
01:17:17,360 --> 01:17:20,160
said no.
But she said it's so soft and

1260
01:17:20,160 --> 01:17:24,840
quiet and so without feeling,
without force.

1261
01:17:24,840 --> 01:17:27,920
It was just kind of like one of
those, no?

1262
01:17:28,720 --> 01:17:30,000
Stop.
Quit it.

1263
01:17:30,440 --> 01:17:32,360
Right, right.
But she.

1264
01:17:32,360 --> 01:17:35,360
But again, she knew that was the
right thing to do.

1265
01:17:35,360 --> 01:17:37,800
That was something she should
have done a long time ago.

1266
01:17:38,280 --> 01:17:40,680
Maybe not kill him, but at
least.

1267
01:17:41,120 --> 01:17:44,880
Let him go naturally.
Right, instead of trying to keep

1268
01:17:44,880 --> 01:17:48,400
him alive with remedies, that
was putting him in more pain.

1269
01:17:48,400 --> 01:17:50,680
And then you got pissed off at
the person who told you that

1270
01:17:51,040 --> 01:17:54,320
anyway, So, yeah.
So I don't, I, I don't know.

1271
01:17:54,320 --> 01:17:57,520
They may try to do the whole
redemption thing with her.

1272
01:17:57,520 --> 01:18:00,400
I just, I don't want to see it.
I don't need to see it.

1273
01:18:01,240 --> 01:18:05,520
I have no need of it.
She is the absolute one of the

1274
01:18:05,560 --> 01:18:08,680
absolute worst characters.
Yeah.

1275
01:18:09,440 --> 01:18:12,000
She's just bad.
Right, just bad.

1276
01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:19,120
So I'm trying to think was there
anything else that?

1277
01:18:19,400 --> 01:18:25,040
And we had the brief moment
between Logane and Rand where

1278
01:18:25,120 --> 01:18:27,040
Ram's like, you're going to
teach me some shit.

1279
01:18:27,040 --> 01:18:32,480
And Logane is like I am What
boy?

1280
01:18:33,520 --> 01:18:37,080
Logane's just like why y'all
messing with me damn leave the

1281
01:18:37,200 --> 01:18:39,920
fuck alone.
Give me some fucking wine and

1282
01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:44,640
leave me the fuck alone.
Let me wallow in myself loathing

1283
01:18:44,640 --> 01:18:47,600
and miss opportunities.
Right?

1284
01:18:48,080 --> 01:18:50,640
Exactly.
Just leave me the fuck.

1285
01:18:51,400 --> 01:18:53,400
Alone Look, does he even have
any left?

1286
01:18:53,400 --> 01:18:57,440
Because I think he poured out or
he threw threw the one that

1287
01:18:57,880 --> 01:18:59,160
Moraine brought him.
Yeah.

1288
01:19:00,480 --> 01:19:06,000
So, yeah, I but let me tell you,
when he does start teaching Rand

1289
01:19:06,480 --> 01:19:09,080
and he's you know, he's trying
to help him control it.

1290
01:19:09,080 --> 01:19:10,400
He's telling him.
Oh, yeah.

1291
01:19:10,400 --> 01:19:13,840
So the problem is you need to
touch the source.

1292
01:19:13,840 --> 01:19:16,080
You need to let go.
You need to stop being scared of

1293
01:19:16,080 --> 01:19:20,960
it and embrace it.
And you know, Rand is kind of

1294
01:19:20,960 --> 01:19:22,920
like naive.
He doesn't know how to control

1295
01:19:22,920 --> 01:19:25,120
it.
Yeah, remember I was telling you

1296
01:19:25,120 --> 01:19:29,240
that the the men telling and
women telling the power of Saudi

1297
01:19:29,240 --> 01:19:32,720
and Sagar are different.
So I don't know if I mentioned

1298
01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:37,520
this in the last episode we
recorded, but women have to

1299
01:19:37,560 --> 01:19:42,440
embrace the source.
So they embrace it.

1300
01:19:42,440 --> 01:19:46,320
They feel themselves up with it.
In order to use it, men have to

1301
01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:48,760
seize it.
They have.

1302
01:19:48,760 --> 01:19:50,760
To take, I think he mentioned
something like that because.

1303
01:19:50,760 --> 01:19:53,200
Yeah, yeah.
So it was a little strange.

1304
01:19:53,240 --> 01:19:56,040
It was a little strange him
telling Rand to embrace it.

1305
01:19:56,040 --> 01:19:57,880
But then the writers kind of
fixed it.

1306
01:19:58,360 --> 01:20:02,480
They said you have to take it.
He told him you have to take it.

1307
01:20:02,880 --> 01:20:05,000
Yeah.
So I I do like that little part.

1308
01:20:05,480 --> 01:20:09,600
They like the embrace so much.
But yeah, the taking, yeah,

1309
01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:12,920
'cause you're the men, a man, a
mill Channel is not supposed to

1310
01:20:12,920 --> 01:20:18,760
surrender to the one power like
women do, which this is Robert

1311
01:20:18,760 --> 01:20:21,840
Jordan being, you know, writing
for men and women.

1312
01:20:22,320 --> 01:20:24,680
You know, we just have to be OK
with that.

1313
01:20:24,680 --> 01:20:28,560
But you know it it there is a
difference between the two.

1314
01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:33,520
OK, yeah, but yeah, Rand
apparently has a lot of power.

1315
01:20:33,680 --> 01:20:35,440
Like a lot, a lot, a lot of
power.

1316
01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:38,200
Logan was like.
Chandler on the planet.

1317
01:20:40,200 --> 01:20:44,120
Logan was like, he was like, I
can't can't do this bro.

1318
01:20:44,320 --> 01:20:48,520
With the amount of power you
got, you can do anything you set

1319
01:20:48,520 --> 01:20:51,800
your mind to just.
Just let you know, you know,

1320
01:20:51,800 --> 01:20:53,520
Robert Jordan worked all this
out.

1321
01:20:53,680 --> 01:20:55,680
You know, he had a ranking
system.

1322
01:20:56,440 --> 01:21:00,520
So yeah, low gain is at the top
up there with RAN as far as

1323
01:21:00,520 --> 01:21:01,840
power goes.
OK.

1324
01:21:02,640 --> 01:21:07,000
So so if he says.
You got a lot of power.

1325
01:21:07,040 --> 01:21:08,920
That that means a lot coming
from a game.

1326
01:21:09,160 --> 01:21:12,360
Right.
And I'm wondering like, so at

1327
01:21:12,360 --> 01:21:17,080
this point, does Low Gain
realize that Rand might be the

1328
01:21:17,080 --> 01:21:20,640
Dragon Reborn 'cause I don't
think Rand has said anything to

1329
01:21:20,640 --> 01:21:23,120
him yet, he just knows that he's
a man that can channel.

1330
01:21:23,920 --> 01:21:26,400
I think he suspects.
He think he might suspect it.

1331
01:21:26,480 --> 01:21:30,280
OK, 'cause I wonder is he going
to be jealous of about it,

1332
01:21:30,280 --> 01:21:35,880
'cause that's a, like you said,
missed opportunity.

1333
01:21:38,120 --> 01:21:39,680
Where's Where's my name?
Say no spoilers.

1334
01:21:40,200 --> 01:21:44,800
I I know no spoilers probably OK
so I won't ask.

1335
01:21:45,640 --> 01:21:52,960
I will mention this so I do see
how Rand could have gone through

1336
01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:56,120
life at this moment without
people recognizing him.

1337
01:21:56,120 --> 01:22:00,480
Because when when you see him at
the beginning of the episode,

1338
01:22:00,480 --> 01:22:05,600
when Lanfair has some strung up
and he's completely in the sun,

1339
01:22:05,800 --> 01:22:08,680
his hair does look almost black.
It's like.

1340
01:22:08,680 --> 01:22:14,360
It was also in a dream world.
I just say I'm, I'm even looking

1341
01:22:14,360 --> 01:22:17,880
right now, like it's very dark
and only when the light is

1342
01:22:17,880 --> 01:22:20,520
hitting it do you see that it's
like red, red.

1343
01:22:20,960 --> 01:22:23,960
Yeah, but when he when he when
he met Matt, it was red, red

1344
01:22:23,960 --> 01:22:24,280
and.
He was.

1345
01:22:24,360 --> 01:22:27,760
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think what's her name just

1346
01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:30,440
prefers him blonde.
And she was like, let me get you

1347
01:22:30,440 --> 01:22:32,600
idea.
Let me get you naked, hung up,

1348
01:22:32,680 --> 01:22:36,960
strung up and blonde, Yes.
No.

1349
01:22:36,960 --> 01:22:44,080
One is no one is pulling out
their phone and pulling out

1350
01:22:44,080 --> 01:22:46,800
Facebook to see what Ram Outdoor
looks.

1351
01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:48,520
Like, ain't nobody talking about
Facebook.

1352
01:22:49,160 --> 01:22:52,680
Nobody.
You don't see any wanted posters

1353
01:22:53,360 --> 01:22:57,560
of him around either.
Nobody knows who he looks like.

1354
01:22:57,720 --> 01:23:00,520
He's just another tall ass red
haired dude walking around.

1355
01:23:00,880 --> 01:23:02,080
Yeah.
You know.

1356
01:23:02,920 --> 01:23:05,680
Yeah.
I'm just I'm just saying if the

1357
01:23:05,680 --> 01:23:09,560
dark friends can do all this
other shit, why can't they find

1358
01:23:09,560 --> 01:23:15,000
some way to find?
I mean is in there.

1359
01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:18,480
Is there like a like a Jordan,
like a Jordanian Google that

1360
01:23:18,480 --> 01:23:22,880
they can do like redheads,
redheads in my area, redheads

1361
01:23:22,880 --> 01:23:26,800
near me, No.
It doesn't work like that.

1362
01:23:27,040 --> 01:23:30,800
But then like, like through
through our discussions over the

1363
01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:34,000
last few episodes that like I
said, I realized that one, the

1364
01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:37,440
only people who are really
looking for Rand or who would be

1365
01:23:37,440 --> 01:23:42,080
looking for Rand, they think
he's dead because like you say,

1366
01:23:42,080 --> 01:23:46,440
Ishmael knows Rand is alive.
So most likely the Forsaken know

1367
01:23:46,480 --> 01:23:48,480
he's alive.
They probably also know where he

1368
01:23:48,480 --> 01:23:49,920
is.
So really the only people who

1369
01:23:49,920 --> 01:23:52,960
are look who would be looking
for him, they already know he's

1370
01:23:52,960 --> 01:23:54,960
alive.
So I I guess.

1371
01:23:55,560 --> 01:23:57,080
Again, they don't have to put
out feelers.

1372
01:23:57,080 --> 01:23:58,560
They know where he is.
Yeah, yeah.

1373
01:23:58,880 --> 01:24:01,320
They don't have to put out
feelers and spies if they just

1374
01:24:01,320 --> 01:24:02,360
know.
Yeah.

1375
01:24:02,480 --> 01:24:05,920
That's true, and if Logan said
he saw him, no one would believe

1376
01:24:05,920 --> 01:24:09,800
him because he's crazy.
Right, right.

1377
01:24:10,480 --> 01:24:12,160
They won't believe him because
they're like, why the fuck are

1378
01:24:12,160 --> 01:24:13,600
you out here?
Why ain't you in under the

1379
01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:15,440
tower?
Has he even said?

1380
01:24:15,440 --> 01:24:18,400
Has Randy even ever said his
name to Logan?

1381
01:24:19,000 --> 01:24:20,880
Like does Logan even know his
name?

1382
01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:23,040
He.
Knows who he is, I think.

1383
01:24:23,080 --> 01:24:26,960
He more than knows may have said
his name.

1384
01:24:27,640 --> 01:24:32,400
Maybe, yeah, but but my point is
the the boys supposed to be dead

1385
01:24:32,400 --> 01:24:35,440
anyway.
Yeah, he's.

1386
01:24:35,440 --> 01:24:36,600
Right.
Yeah.

1387
01:24:37,160 --> 01:24:39,120
Yeah, he's supposed he's
supposed to be buried somewhere,

1388
01:24:41,080 --> 01:24:49,480
literally or figuratively.
Yeah, but OK, did we touch

1389
01:24:49,480 --> 01:24:52,320
everything on this episode
account We.

1390
01:24:52,680 --> 01:24:54,800
Did I?
I just want to mention that in

1391
01:24:54,800 --> 01:24:59,080
the beginning when there was.
Man.

1392
01:25:01,520 --> 01:25:06,880
In the beginning of the episode,
Mike's favorite scene where Rand

1393
01:25:06,880 --> 01:25:11,720
is strung up on the cross,
Lanthier basically tells him

1394
01:25:11,720 --> 01:25:16,720
it's Samuel's whole plan.
And I don't even think Rand

1395
01:25:16,720 --> 01:25:22,000
realize that that she did.
Like he's like, you think that

1396
01:25:22,000 --> 01:25:24,200
separating yourself and your
friends protects him.

1397
01:25:24,440 --> 01:25:28,040
No, you're giving him it's
e-mail exactly what he wants,

1398
01:25:28,040 --> 01:25:30,440
right?
He can turn them all to the dark

1399
01:25:30,920 --> 01:25:33,480
and turn you.
Yeah, he was like, they would

1400
01:25:33,480 --> 01:25:35,840
never turn.
She was like, that's what I was

1401
01:25:35,840 --> 01:25:38,640
going to ask because she said I
thought that once too.

1402
01:25:39,960 --> 01:25:45,720
So I'm going to assume, like you
said, she basically did what she

1403
01:25:45,720 --> 01:25:48,120
wanted to do because she wanted
her lover back.

1404
01:25:48,640 --> 01:25:53,320
So is that hurt?
Like, and I say this as a woman

1405
01:25:53,320 --> 01:25:58,680
in the 21st century, was that
her only motivation for going to

1406
01:25:58,680 --> 01:26:00,920
the dark because she wanted her
man back?

1407
01:26:05,760 --> 01:26:09,200
Yes and no.
OK.

1408
01:26:11,120 --> 01:26:16,360
Loose Theater was very powerful.
He was very powerful in one

1409
01:26:16,360 --> 01:26:19,560
power.
He was very charismatic, very

1410
01:26:19,560 --> 01:26:25,800
powerful as a leader.
He didn't necessarily want all

1411
01:26:25,800 --> 01:26:27,840
of the attention that he was
getting.

1412
01:26:28,360 --> 01:26:30,640
You know how we talk about the
person you want to be the

1413
01:26:30,640 --> 01:26:33,920
president is the person who
didn't want to be the president.

1414
01:26:34,440 --> 01:26:40,200
That's sort of what Loose was.
He figured out that she was

1415
01:26:40,240 --> 01:26:45,640
attracted to him for his power
and his influence.

1416
01:26:45,760 --> 01:26:50,840
OK, so she wasn't really like in
love with him as a as a person.

1417
01:26:51,360 --> 01:26:55,160
Michelle and I argue about half
an hour, the person that I lived

1418
01:26:55,160 --> 01:26:58,640
with him related to my marriage.
Actually, it was almost a whole

1419
01:26:58,640 --> 01:27:02,760
hour.
We argued about that because and

1420
01:27:02,800 --> 01:27:08,760
and I think what I what I
realized in her mind, that was

1421
01:27:08,760 --> 01:27:15,600
love.
So Lanfield did love him, but

1422
01:27:15,600 --> 01:27:18,000
not in the way that he wanted to
be loved.

1423
01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:23,600
OK, So yes, she was attracted to
the power, the authority, all of

1424
01:27:23,600 --> 01:27:27,200
that.
But if you stripped out, huh.

1425
01:27:27,200 --> 01:27:29,840
Was he a?
Cult leader.

1426
01:27:31,680 --> 01:27:33,720
I mean, he was the he.
Was the one.

1427
01:27:33,720 --> 01:27:35,840
Person's cult of another
person's religion.

1428
01:27:35,840 --> 01:27:38,880
I mean, I don't.
So yes, OK.

1429
01:27:40,680 --> 01:27:43,200
Gotcha.
If you and I think he figured

1430
01:27:43,200 --> 01:27:47,320
out if if you stripped all that
away, would she still want him?

1431
01:27:47,680 --> 01:27:48,760
Yeah, that's what I was going to
ask.

1432
01:27:48,760 --> 01:27:51,960
So it's like if if he was gentle
or if he was stilled, would

1433
01:27:52,040 --> 01:27:55,200
would she still be like, oh
lose, oh lose?

1434
01:27:55,240 --> 01:27:57,800
Right.
And he figured it out and he, he

1435
01:27:57,800 --> 01:27:59,320
was like, no, I, I don't want
this.

1436
01:27:59,320 --> 01:28:00,880
I want someone who actually does
love me.

1437
01:28:00,880 --> 01:28:02,640
And that's when he found his
wife.

1438
01:28:03,640 --> 01:28:08,840
So she thought if she could get
more power that he would want

1439
01:28:08,840 --> 01:28:12,960
her because in her mind that's
what she thought was love.

1440
01:28:13,360 --> 01:28:16,240
So she had it then maybe he
would love her back.

1441
01:28:18,400 --> 01:28:23,000
Gotcha.
So yes, in Robert Jordan's in

1442
01:28:23,000 --> 01:28:28,880
that world of cisgender white
males writing novels, right?

1443
01:28:29,760 --> 01:28:33,120
Not saying he's misogynistic,
just it was a different

1444
01:28:33,120 --> 01:28:36,480
understanding of the time.
'Cause these books were written

1445
01:28:36,480 --> 01:28:40,680
when in the 70s or the 80s.
Like eighties, 90s.

1446
01:28:41,440 --> 01:28:42,880
OK.
The thousands.

1447
01:28:43,240 --> 01:28:47,320
OK, but yeah, OK.
But he means the old guy, so

1448
01:28:47,480 --> 01:28:49,320
yeah.
So yeah, she.

1449
01:28:50,760 --> 01:28:52,440
Yes.
To answer your question, yes.

1450
01:28:53,040 --> 01:28:57,520
The only reason why was power.
That's why she turned the dark

1451
01:28:57,520 --> 01:28:59,480
side, the dark turned to the
dark.

1452
01:29:01,560 --> 01:29:03,960
She thought if she had the
power, she can get him back.

1453
01:29:04,680 --> 01:29:07,040
OK.
And then we know we always talk

1454
01:29:07,040 --> 01:29:11,040
about how, you know, power
corrupts people.

1455
01:29:11,320 --> 01:29:15,440
So she might have just, you
know, really, I don't want to

1456
01:29:15,440 --> 01:29:19,200
say innocently, but maybe
naively thought, OK, like you

1457
01:29:19,200 --> 01:29:21,920
said, if I get this power, he'll
want me back.

1458
01:29:21,920 --> 01:29:25,320
And then the more power she got,
it just kind of corrupted her

1459
01:29:25,320 --> 01:29:29,960
and yeah, and then she became a
forsaken with and and lights

1460
01:29:29,960 --> 01:29:31,360
killing people.
And by pulling.

1461
01:29:31,360 --> 01:29:35,320
Their heads and.
Or she did it and it didn't

1462
01:29:35,320 --> 01:29:39,120
change anything.
She got more power and it didn't

1463
01:29:39,120 --> 01:29:41,880
make a difference.
But they're already.

1464
01:29:41,880 --> 01:29:45,880
But The thing is, when all that
stuff happened, when the Dark

1465
01:29:45,880 --> 01:29:49,280
One started influencing the
world, things kind of got crazy.

1466
01:29:50,000 --> 01:29:54,800
So she may not have had because
they immediately mobilized to

1467
01:29:54,800 --> 01:29:58,240
try to stop it.
So there wasn't any time for her

1468
01:29:58,240 --> 01:30:00,960
to be like, look what I got now,
you know what I mean?

1469
01:30:01,600 --> 01:30:05,480
Because all of a sudden they
were fighting the Forsaken and

1470
01:30:05,480 --> 01:30:11,320
merge rule and Trollix and, you
know, bubbles of evil all over

1471
01:30:11,320 --> 01:30:13,800
the place.
It was, it was a terrible time,

1472
01:30:13,800 --> 01:30:17,120
OK?
You know, he had to rally

1473
01:30:17,120 --> 01:30:19,400
everybody to try to fight what
was happening.

1474
01:30:21,000 --> 01:30:24,160
OK.
Yeah, OK.

1475
01:30:26,360 --> 01:30:30,000
All right.
I may have said too much.

1476
01:30:31,200 --> 01:30:33,360
No, it's.
I pulled, I pulled a mic in

1477
01:30:33,360 --> 01:30:35,320
Messenger.
I'm starting to spoil Steph.

1478
01:30:35,840 --> 01:30:39,400
No, I don't think you spoiled it
because because like you said,

1479
01:30:39,400 --> 01:30:43,600
one, they're doing so many
things differently from the book

1480
01:30:43,600 --> 01:30:47,240
to the show that I don't think
I, I think at this point,

1481
01:30:47,240 --> 01:30:52,040
anything that you tell us that's
not like specifically, OK, this

1482
01:30:52,040 --> 01:30:54,400
happens, this happens, this
happens to this character.

1483
01:30:55,040 --> 01:30:58,640
I take it more as like just
background information for those

1484
01:30:58,640 --> 01:31:02,360
of us who haven't read the books
just to kind of understand the

1485
01:31:02,360 --> 01:31:04,760
way that this world works a
little bit more.

1486
01:31:04,760 --> 01:31:06,360
So I don't look at it as
spoilery.

1487
01:31:06,360 --> 01:31:10,320
I mean, now, if you were to say,
OK, so Ran ends up becoming, you

1488
01:31:10,320 --> 01:31:14,840
know, he he fully embraces being
the Dragon Reborn and and you

1489
01:31:14,840 --> 01:31:17,960
know, the series ends with all
of his friends dead and him

1490
01:31:17,960 --> 01:31:20,880
going crazy.
Like like they say, I would take

1491
01:31:20,880 --> 01:31:24,160
that as spoilery because, you
know, that could possibly

1492
01:31:24,160 --> 01:31:26,080
happen.
But stuff that you've given us,

1493
01:31:26,080 --> 01:31:29,120
no, that that's more so kind of
knowledge.

1494
01:31:29,120 --> 01:31:33,000
Like I've been saying that I
wanted, you know, I don't want

1495
01:31:33,000 --> 01:31:35,840
to read the books yet,
especially if they're so

1496
01:31:35,840 --> 01:31:42,240
different, but I do want to
learn more about the world.

1497
01:31:42,360 --> 01:31:45,600
And I guess this is a good time
to kind of slip into the

1498
01:31:45,600 --> 01:31:49,240
conversation that we are all
going to Jordan Con for the

1499
01:31:49,240 --> 01:31:51,080
first time.
Well, Anthony and Michelle went

1500
01:31:51,080 --> 01:31:54,960
last year and it.
Was amazing.

1501
01:31:55,160 --> 01:31:57,840
It was great.
It was fun to be around a lot of

1502
01:31:57,840 --> 01:32:01,400
people who threw it out.
Robert Jordan, Wheel of Time,

1503
01:32:02,960 --> 01:32:06,120
it's really good and it's book
readers mostly, but there are a

1504
01:32:06,120 --> 01:32:07,680
lot of people who watch the show
too.

1505
01:32:07,680 --> 01:32:09,000
Were there.
Yeah.

1506
01:32:09,440 --> 01:32:12,960
So we we just got approved as a
media guest.

1507
01:32:13,480 --> 01:32:15,720
So we will be there at the end
of this month.

1508
01:32:15,720 --> 01:32:20,480
It's here in Atlanta.
April 25th through the 27th.

1509
01:32:20,600 --> 01:32:22,080
Yep.
At the.

1510
01:32:22,440 --> 01:32:26,560
I'm looking forward to that.
Is it the crown perimeter?

1511
01:32:27,160 --> 01:32:32,240
Yeah, OK.
Crown Ravina in perimeter, Yeah.

1512
01:32:32,480 --> 01:32:37,920
OK, so I'm looking forward to
that because I do want to learn

1513
01:32:37,920 --> 01:32:41,200
a little bit more about this
world because I do realize that

1514
01:32:41,360 --> 01:32:44,800
sometimes when we're discussing
these episodes, I'm sure there's

1515
01:32:44,800 --> 01:32:47,400
some people like, OK, can y'all
at least get the names right?

1516
01:32:47,400 --> 01:32:50,280
But it's like 1.
There's a lot of there's a lot

1517
01:32:50,280 --> 01:32:52,920
of information.
No, I, I mean, because me too,

1518
01:32:52,920 --> 01:32:56,040
because I'm like, OK, what that
girl's name is or whatever the

1519
01:32:56,040 --> 01:32:58,360
case is.
But there's a lot of characters,

1520
01:32:58,360 --> 01:33:03,480
there's a lot of information and
especially with the series that,

1521
01:33:03,800 --> 01:33:08,040
you know, where the world
building is just like massive.

1522
01:33:08,640 --> 01:33:11,440
I do want to learn this stuff.
And I was going to show this.

1523
01:33:11,440 --> 01:33:14,920
I got this book last year when
Barnes and Noble in my area was

1524
01:33:14,920 --> 01:33:18,840
going out of business.
And it's the world of Robert

1525
01:33:18,840 --> 01:33:23,040
Jordan's The Wheel of Time.
And it's like a encyclopedia of

1526
01:33:23,040 --> 01:33:25,200
the Wheel of Time.
And it's got all kinds of stuff.

1527
01:33:25,520 --> 01:33:28,080
I have not had a chance to look
at it yet.

1528
01:33:28,080 --> 01:33:30,240
It's going to.
Spoil you if you do.

1529
01:33:30,720 --> 01:33:33,160
Yeah, I know.
But it's got like full color

1530
01:33:33,160 --> 01:33:36,960
photos from some of the some of
the books.

1531
01:33:37,040 --> 01:33:40,520
So I do want to read just kind
of a little bit just to kind of

1532
01:33:40,520 --> 01:33:45,240
get like background information.
But yeah, I don't, I don't think

1533
01:33:45,240 --> 01:33:50,920
you've spoiled this too much.
If this if I remember because I

1534
01:33:50,920 --> 01:33:55,080
have that book digitally, the
stuff from the isodide start

1535
01:33:55,080 --> 01:33:58,920
there.
OK, OK, I will do that.

1536
01:33:59,680 --> 01:34:02,120
But yes, let's see.
So we've talked about Jordan

1537
01:34:02,120 --> 01:34:06,520
Khan and I will actually put the
link to the convention in the

1538
01:34:06,520 --> 01:34:09,360
show notes for this episode,
just in case anybody is in the

1539
01:34:09,360 --> 01:34:12,360
Atlanta area and they want to
kind of check it out, see what's

1540
01:34:12,360 --> 01:34:16,240
going on.
Let's see what else.

1541
01:34:17,520 --> 01:34:22,480
ATL Comic Convention has moved
to July this year and we will be

1542
01:34:22,480 --> 01:34:25,560
going to that.
We will be submitting our panel

1543
01:34:25,560 --> 01:34:30,880
submissions this week, probably
the same panels we've been doing

1544
01:34:30,880 --> 01:34:34,120
because those are the ones that
people like us to do.

1545
01:34:34,520 --> 01:34:37,680
The parenting panels.
We're going to do a Dead City,

1546
01:34:37,760 --> 01:34:40,160
Walking Dead panel and maybe a
couple of others.

1547
01:34:40,160 --> 01:34:44,480
So if you guys are going to ATL
Comic Convention and have some

1548
01:34:44,480 --> 01:34:48,560
suggestions that you want to
hear us talk about, then, you

1549
01:34:48,560 --> 01:34:52,640
know, put some comments down
and, and, and let us know.

1550
01:34:53,840 --> 01:34:56,720
But other than that, do we have
anything else to say?

1551
01:34:56,720 --> 01:35:02,440
Mike, you got some shout outs.
Shout to the acting level in

1552
01:35:02,440 --> 01:35:08,520
this like from Rena when she got
collared was just heartbreaking

1553
01:35:08,520 --> 01:35:15,240
like holy shit like I I mean.
You mean rhyma rhyme?

1554
01:35:16,080 --> 01:35:17,720
Is it?
Right, Right, right must die.

1555
01:35:17,880 --> 01:35:19,600
The the yellow yellow.
Yeah.

1556
01:35:20,120 --> 01:35:22,560
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.

1557
01:35:22,560 --> 01:35:26,320
Was you rhyme yeah when she when
she got her when she got the

1558
01:35:26,320 --> 01:35:29,360
collar put on her.
I was just like, Oh my heart

1559
01:35:29,920 --> 01:35:32,720
like that was just hard.
I mean no knowing did she lose

1560
01:35:32,720 --> 01:35:37,680
her water like she was.
I was like holy shit and shut it

1561
01:35:37,720 --> 01:35:40,880
to me, not knowing what the fuck
is going to happen when landed

1562
01:35:40,880 --> 01:35:44,520
them confronted Rand and in in
the city and then.

1563
01:35:44,600 --> 01:35:50,360
Yeah, that's what I forgot to.
Yeah, I was like, oh shit.

1564
01:35:50,880 --> 01:35:53,000
Like I what the fucks?
Get ready to happen.

1565
01:35:53,760 --> 01:35:55,600
Yeah, of course.
You know they cut it off right

1566
01:35:55,600 --> 01:35:59,640
then.
I was like, oh shit that like

1567
01:35:59,720 --> 01:36:03,320
like that should look like look
like collateral damage getting

1568
01:36:03,320 --> 01:36:08,200
ready to happen like everywhere.
But I mean cause because Brand

1569
01:36:08,200 --> 01:36:12,720
had just, he just came from like
feeling his power and like doing

1570
01:36:12,720 --> 01:36:15,840
like having but whatever,
minimal training.

1571
01:36:15,840 --> 01:36:18,600
He's not even real training that
he had with low gain.

1572
01:36:18,600 --> 01:36:24,120
So it's like he's he's he.
I mean, there's no telling where

1573
01:36:24,120 --> 01:36:27,280
his state of mind is right now.
Plus he had just come from

1574
01:36:27,280 --> 01:36:29,480
waiting on Matt, who stood him
up again.

1575
01:36:29,800 --> 01:36:33,360
I'm like, OK, I'm starting to
see why Anthony doesn't like the

1576
01:36:33,360 --> 01:36:35,960
way he's because he's written up
as an asshole.

1577
01:36:35,960 --> 01:36:38,520
Like like he's the word he's
written.

1578
01:36:38,520 --> 01:36:42,000
He he the way the way he is in
here is like he's the worst

1579
01:36:42,000 --> 01:36:44,560
friend ever.
Not only did he leave them

1580
01:36:44,560 --> 01:36:48,240
standing at the gate when
everybody went in the gate, now

1581
01:36:48,240 --> 01:36:50,840
he's leaving rands that which I
which I understand.

1582
01:36:51,120 --> 01:36:53,680
I understand why he's leaving
them leaving them hanging here.

1583
01:36:53,760 --> 01:36:54,680
I get it.
That's but.

1584
01:36:54,680 --> 01:36:56,880
Of course Rand doesn't.
Right.

1585
01:36:56,880 --> 01:36:58,320
This is the same.
This is strike two.

1586
01:36:58,440 --> 01:37:00,760
This is strike two for as far as
Rands, because Iran's like

1587
01:37:00,760 --> 01:37:03,560
motherfucker, he's like fine
alone.

1588
01:37:03,560 --> 01:37:04,920
It is.
I was like or.

1589
01:37:05,120 --> 01:37:08,120
Or maybe he maybe he really
think it thought about it

1590
01:37:08,600 --> 01:37:12,320
because I mean, if you think
about it, you're going to a city

1591
01:37:12,800 --> 01:37:18,800
where you may have to fight for
your life because of of what you

1592
01:37:18,800 --> 01:37:20,800
are.
And maybe he's just thinking,

1593
01:37:20,800 --> 01:37:23,360
OK, maybe maybe Matt's just not
ready for that.

1594
01:37:24,240 --> 01:37:25,480
I.
Mean and Matt was probably, Matt

1595
01:37:25,480 --> 01:37:28,000
was probably thinking, yeah, I'm
not ready for this.

1596
01:37:28,440 --> 01:37:31,720
No, no, what I'm what I'm
thinking is the writers know

1597
01:37:31,720 --> 01:37:36,360
that Matt is the most popular
character in the books and we

1598
01:37:36,360 --> 01:37:40,000
don't want the audience to like
Matt, so we're going to make him

1599
01:37:40,000 --> 01:37:43,960
the absolute worst character,
just above Leandro.

1600
01:37:45,000 --> 01:37:48,400
See, I don't think they're doing
that because we, because we as

1601
01:37:48,400 --> 01:37:51,840
the viewers, we see mass
motivations and we see why he's

1602
01:37:51,840 --> 01:37:53,400
making the decisions he's
making.

1603
01:37:53,600 --> 01:37:55,640
If we weren't seeing that, I
would agree with that

1604
01:37:55,640 --> 01:37:58,080
assessment.
But even if you didn't know,

1605
01:37:58,240 --> 01:38:00,880
even if you didn't know, the
decisions he making don't make

1606
01:38:00,880 --> 01:38:04,440
you like him.
I I don't know.

1607
01:38:04,800 --> 01:38:08,680
Even with his motivations, I.
Don't know if I if I heard if a

1608
01:38:08,680 --> 01:38:13,720
seer told me if you go to farm
with your best friend, you are

1609
01:38:13,720 --> 01:38:15,600
going to kill him with the
dagger.

1610
01:38:15,840 --> 01:38:19,000
Especially knowing Matt's
history of that dagger.

1611
01:38:19,000 --> 01:38:21,120
He's scared to be around that
dagger.

1612
01:38:21,840 --> 01:38:26,360
I yeah, I I don't, I don't think
Yeah, I don't think I would look

1613
01:38:26,360 --> 01:38:30,240
at it that way.
I and also the one thing that I

1614
01:38:30,240 --> 01:38:35,280
keep thinking of from first
season when Matt abandoned them,

1615
01:38:35,720 --> 01:38:41,000
Rand was the only person who was
kind of like Matt's still our

1616
01:38:41,000 --> 01:38:42,360
friend we still need to find
him.

1617
01:38:42,360 --> 01:38:44,480
He was just scared.
Like he was the only one that

1618
01:38:44,480 --> 01:38:48,880
was still defending Matt even
even going so far as to arguing

1619
01:38:48,880 --> 01:38:51,960
with the Gwaine about it cuz the
Gwen was like he left us and he

1620
01:38:51,960 --> 01:38:58,400
was like he was scared.
OK, so this this is where a

1621
01:38:58,400 --> 01:39:01,400
little bit of the problem I have
with time travel comes in.

1622
01:39:03,520 --> 01:39:13,000
If if the seer says every vision
I have comes true, period, and

1623
01:39:13,000 --> 01:39:16,280
she has she tells you she has a
vision of you stabbing rant.

1624
01:39:17,360 --> 01:39:21,000
It doesn't matter where you go.
It doesn't matter what you do.

1625
01:39:21,600 --> 01:39:22,680
Right, it's going to.
Happen.

1626
01:39:22,680 --> 01:39:27,240
It's going to happen.
So guess what dude, go with him

1627
01:39:27,880 --> 01:39:32,080
because your chances of keeping
you from happening increase

1628
01:39:32,080 --> 01:39:35,840
potentially exponentially versus
you.

1629
01:39:36,520 --> 01:39:39,720
I go with him and randomly
accidentally stabbing him he.

1630
01:39:40,040 --> 01:39:44,080
Is not thinking that deep, but
he was thinking I just, I just

1631
01:39:44,080 --> 01:39:46,720
found my best friend again and
now I'm being told I'm going to

1632
01:39:46,720 --> 01:39:48,240
kill him.
He's panicking.

1633
01:39:49,120 --> 01:39:53,080
And and and and and she's
interpreting it as killing him.

1634
01:39:53,640 --> 01:39:55,800
You really just saw.
She really just saw you stab

1635
01:39:55,800 --> 01:40:00,560
him.
He didn't say he was dead, but

1636
01:40:00,560 --> 01:40:03,480
he didn't say he was dead.
That's what I'm saying, Matt.

1637
01:40:03,480 --> 01:40:07,080
Matt ain't thinking clearly
because this character is not

1638
01:40:07,080 --> 01:40:12,840
written to think clearly.
So I'm just saying like, dude,

1639
01:40:14,200 --> 01:40:16,640
she told you her all her visions
come true.

1640
01:40:16,640 --> 01:40:20,080
Absolutely, period.
So it's not going to matter what

1641
01:40:20,080 --> 01:40:23,080
choices you make.
Any choice you make is going to

1642
01:40:23,080 --> 01:40:25,840
end up with you stabbing Ran.
Period.

1643
01:40:26,480 --> 01:40:33,000
Yeah, so go with him and at
least you know what's coming and

1644
01:40:33,000 --> 01:40:38,400
be prepared for it, because if
you don't, then you end up some

1645
01:40:38,400 --> 01:40:41,440
random place you might stab him
thinking he's somebody else

1646
01:40:41,440 --> 01:40:43,600
because you didn't know he
wasn't there.

1647
01:40:44,160 --> 01:40:45,600
That that's.
True.

1648
01:40:46,480 --> 01:40:49,720
Yeah, that's true.
I'm just go pick up any random

1649
01:40:49,800 --> 01:40:51,120
sharp objects.
You'll be fine.

1650
01:40:51,320 --> 01:40:53,960
It's like just.
If you saw the dagger, don't

1651
01:40:53,960 --> 01:40:55,640
touch her that.
Yeah, I was going to say she

1652
01:40:55,640 --> 01:40:58,200
said the dagger.
So, you know, you need to like

1653
01:40:59,000 --> 01:41:01,520
avoid the dagger, but right now
he doesn't even know where the

1654
01:41:01,520 --> 01:41:04,280
dagger is.
So that is again.

1655
01:41:04,280 --> 01:41:05,880
That's another problem.
Yeah, yeah.

1656
01:41:06,640 --> 01:41:10,920
So guess what, you choosing that
go with him might actually end

1657
01:41:10,920 --> 01:41:12,280
up.
Putting you.

1658
01:41:12,280 --> 01:41:15,160
If you going in the direction
where the dagger is.

1659
01:41:16,200 --> 01:41:18,640
Yeah.
So your best bet is to stay

1660
01:41:18,640 --> 01:41:22,240
attached to that motherfucker at
the hip and your chances of

1661
01:41:22,240 --> 01:41:25,760
seeing the dagger decrease.
Right.

1662
01:41:26,800 --> 01:41:29,120
The same the same.
You got a good.

1663
01:41:29,680 --> 01:41:31,640
Point.
This here makes sense.

1664
01:41:35,080 --> 01:41:37,240
OK, I'm so glad to see the
ambulance see it again.

1665
01:41:38,120 --> 01:41:39,760
I missed up.
I've been missing her this

1666
01:41:39,760 --> 01:41:41,840
season.
Like I really I really like her

1667
01:41:41,840 --> 01:41:44,080
character.
I just, I was just like.

1668
01:41:44,320 --> 01:41:48,360
Seeing her up until this point.
First time season OK Season yeah

1669
01:41:49,400 --> 01:41:52,320
and it's like I was like no see
OK so are you just gonna close

1670
01:41:52,320 --> 01:41:55,120
yourself in a room and look at
the mirror again like you got

1671
01:41:55,160 --> 01:41:58,040
you ain't gotta go walk up to or
you gotta do is look in the

1672
01:41:58,040 --> 01:42:04,360
mirror be like yo baby and then
there you go I mean you're.

1673
01:42:06,200 --> 01:42:08,160
A.
Mess and again, again, this

1674
01:42:08,160 --> 01:42:11,160
cannot be overstated about this
fucking episode.

1675
01:42:13,040 --> 01:42:20,320
Why do we have to have this
characters of color be subjected

1676
01:42:20,320 --> 01:42:24,640
to this bullshit like this?
It still bothers me.

1677
01:42:24,640 --> 01:42:27,880
It's like I don't want to be
bothered by it but it bothers me

1678
01:42:27,880 --> 01:42:29,640
and.
And I get it.

1679
01:42:29,640 --> 01:42:33,880
But I, I think the thing to
remember too is regardless of

1680
01:42:33,880 --> 01:42:39,200
what the what what the casting
looked like, we were going to

1681
01:42:39,200 --> 01:42:43,520
get this storyline anyway.
And I think it just kind of hits

1682
01:42:43,520 --> 01:42:47,440
more because of the fact that
this particular show is one of

1683
01:42:47,440 --> 01:42:52,760
the is one of the shows in the
fantasy, you know, genre that

1684
01:42:52,760 --> 01:42:55,760
really, really diversified their
cast.

1685
01:42:55,760 --> 01:42:59,800
And so that it's not just people
who all look alike.

1686
01:42:59,800 --> 01:43:05,160
Like they really have people
from all different cultures and

1687
01:43:05,160 --> 01:43:07,880
races in this show.
So I think it just hits harder

1688
01:43:07,880 --> 01:43:10,440
because of that.
But I would hope that that

1689
01:43:10,440 --> 01:43:15,080
wasn't kind of on the fore front
of their minds when they say,

1690
01:43:15,120 --> 01:43:18,480
hey, let's diverse casting, you
know, we're going to have this

1691
01:43:18,480 --> 01:43:21,160
big old slavery storyline in
season 2.

1692
01:43:21,360 --> 01:43:24,200
I don't think that was the case.
I think it just it just happened

1693
01:43:24,200 --> 01:43:27,040
to go there and it hits harder
because of that.

1694
01:43:27,120 --> 01:43:31,640
But again, I mean.
Now I get that.

1695
01:43:31,640 --> 01:43:33,520
It's just it just doesn't make
it any easier for me.

1696
01:43:33,520 --> 01:43:36,840
That's like, this is probably
like, there's certain shows that

1697
01:43:36,840 --> 01:43:40,080
I can go back and watch certain
episodes like over and over

1698
01:43:40,080 --> 01:43:42,000
again.
Yeah.

1699
01:43:42,400 --> 01:43:45,000
Yeah, I'm good on this.
Yeah, I don't want to.

1700
01:43:45,040 --> 01:43:46,240
I don't want to watch this shit
again.

1701
01:43:46,720 --> 01:43:53,480
Yeah, I do have a question.
I noticed because it's playing

1702
01:43:53,480 --> 01:43:58,280
in the background is at the end
where Rima is getting colored,

1703
01:43:58,640 --> 01:44:03,960
but Busan has letters etched in
his face.

1704
01:44:04,400 --> 01:44:08,920
Do you know what they say?
OK, OK.

1705
01:44:09,520 --> 01:44:11,520
I just I.
Just believe they were just

1706
01:44:11,520 --> 01:44:15,040
tattoos.
Oh, OK, OK.

1707
01:44:17,160 --> 01:44:18,600
OK.
Could you go back and freeze

1708
01:44:18,600 --> 01:44:22,280
frame that for me?
No, absolutely not.

1709
01:44:25,000 --> 01:44:27,720
OK, we have two episodes left
for this season and then we can

1710
01:44:27,720 --> 01:44:31,960
get into the third season that
Anthony says is awesome and he

1711
01:44:31,960 --> 01:44:33,680
doesn't care what they do at
this point.

1712
01:44:33,720 --> 01:44:38,240
It was good.
So OK, I'm only saying I have

1713
01:44:38,240 --> 01:44:42,600
seen they did release a few
weeks ago I think it was.

1714
01:44:42,680 --> 01:44:48,080
I don't know if it was the 1st
11 minutes, but they did do 11

1715
01:44:48,080 --> 01:44:50,680
minutes of the upcoming season.
Yeah, it was 12.

1716
01:44:50,760 --> 01:44:53,560
It was like the first 12 minutes
of the 1st episode.

1717
01:44:53,680 --> 01:44:58,280
Oh my God if they start out the
season like that.

1718
01:44:58,720 --> 01:45:03,800
Yeah, and they just released
another like four or five minute

1719
01:45:03,800 --> 01:45:09,560
clip of Lorraine and Ran
talking.

1720
01:45:10,040 --> 01:45:14,680
OK.
Yeah, it's this is last episode,

1721
01:45:15,280 --> 01:45:18,880
Episode 4, three.
It's fucking fantastic.

1722
01:45:19,120 --> 01:45:24,840
OK, so hopefully we'll get to
the season 3 episodes within the

1723
01:45:25,320 --> 01:45:29,000
the next week or so.
Anthony and I have both been

1724
01:45:29,000 --> 01:45:33,160
working ridiculous hours this
month.

1725
01:45:33,520 --> 01:45:37,400
I think I've probably been
working twice the as many hours

1726
01:45:37,400 --> 01:45:39,560
as he has.
You have I leave his schedule

1727
01:45:39,560 --> 01:45:42,560
like, Oh my God, you're working
all the freaking time.

1728
01:45:42,560 --> 01:45:44,920
I've tried to pay this fucking
cruise off for my birthday.

1729
01:45:48,280 --> 01:45:51,840
So yeah, so we got these two
episodes, then we'll get right

1730
01:45:51,840 --> 01:45:54,600
into Season 3.
And like I said, we'll be a

1731
01:45:54,600 --> 01:45:57,640
Jordan kind.
We will probably be recording

1732
01:45:57,640 --> 01:46:00,640
some of the panels there and,
you know, just trying to get a

1733
01:46:00,640 --> 01:46:03,040
feel for it since this will be
my first time.

1734
01:46:03,040 --> 01:46:07,040
Anthony and Michelle will be
there as well.

1735
01:46:07,560 --> 01:46:12,880
So yeah, so we got some some
Jordan stuff coming up, get a

1736
01:46:12,880 --> 01:46:15,160
little bit more into this
fandom.

1737
01:46:15,240 --> 01:46:18,520
So I'm looking forward to that.
But for now, that's it for our

1738
01:46:18,520 --> 01:46:20,400
show.
You can find us online at

1739
01:46:20,400 --> 01:46:24,720
www.phantomhybrid.com.
We are on social media on all

1740
01:46:24,720 --> 01:46:26,240
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1741
01:46:26,480 --> 01:46:28,440
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1742
01:46:28,440 --> 01:46:31,320
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1743
01:46:31,320 --> 01:46:33,920
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1744
01:46:34,240 --> 01:46:35,760
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1745
01:46:35,760 --> 01:46:36,840
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