The Wheel of Time Season 3 Episode 2 - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #348

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What's up hybrids?
Welcome back to another episode

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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast.
This is Hanukkah and I'm here

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with Anthony and Mike and we are
discussing season 3, episode 2

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of the Wheel of Time series.
This episode has a lot of

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information and I know we've all
been messaging each other back

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and forth about this episode.
I'm going to try to keep my

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thoughts coherent because I do
have a lot of questions about

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all this stuff that went on, but
let's start at the beginning

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with the I don't mean Game of
Thrones.

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That's basically what it was
like.

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She.
Was giving off heavy swirtsy

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energy.
She was and she wasn't because I

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feel like, I feel like she was a
little, I don't know know if I

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want to say nicer than Cersei
was, but she definitely had

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that.
OK, I'm going to be diplomatic

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until I get ready to cut your
throat.

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You know, it was very much like,
ha ha, yes, we've had this fight

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for succession for so long and
blah, blah, blah.

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But now there's no question
because I won.

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And I was like, oh, OK, that
speech turn in a way.

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Yeah, she's more like her son.
She's more Joffrey ish, kind of.

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At that point she's like, 'cause
I won.

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So now bow.
Cool, now kill them.

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Yeah, that was kind of, Well, no
'cause Cersei.

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Yeah, Cersei is kind of that
bitch too.

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She would have done it.
But OK.

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So Anthony, give us a little,
give us a little bit of history

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about Andor and about this whole
war.

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Because basically, first of all,
I noticed there is no king in

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the picture.
They they keep, they've talked

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about the queen.
So they talked about the queen

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who's who was before her.
And then apparently that queen

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died and there was No Fear.
So there was a war to see who

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succeed.
OK, OK.

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And then she has she has the two
sons.

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And then she has She's pregnant
with Elaine.

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Elaine.
So.

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So at least we know at this
point Elaine is 19 years old

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'cause this was a 20 year old
flashback.

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Yeah, she's the same age as Ran,
Matt Perrin and E Wayne.

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Oh, OK.
OK, see how the wheel works set

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out.
Yeah, yeah, I do.

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I do.
So it's almost like she was

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destined to be part of that
group.

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But anyway.
Yeah, well, the the the Andor

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succession plotline is one that
I'm glad they condensed into

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like 2 1/2 minutes because it
drags out in the book.

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Oh, OK.
I mean, he takes the, the game

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of houses pretty seriously.
And there's a lot of that, for

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example, like the reason why I
don't, haven't read Doom is

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because there's a lot of that in
Doom, a lot of marrying.

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And there's a lot of that in the
Game of Thrones series.

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I, I walked away from that
series reading about families

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and who's marrying who and all
that.

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This happens in, in the Wheel of
time as well.

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But but basically something
happened and the there was no

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heir for when the queen died and
they kind of left a power

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vacuum.
And in the book there, there is

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a way there, there was a battle
for the secession, but not quite

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as bloody as they seem to make
it out here.

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OK, because there are rules that
they have to, because the way

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these things work there, there
are rules that in the old state

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people have to follow in order
for all this stuff to work,

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right?
So nothing was really violated,

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really.
But there was a little question

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as to who should be the heir,
since there wasn't one.

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OK, so that was a little
skirmish.

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Now, is that is that the same
air that Elaine mentions later

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on in the episode when she's
having a conversation with her

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mother?
Her mother mentions a daughter

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Air and Elaine says to her, well
it's because this daughter Air

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disappeared that you even were
able to.

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OK, OK.
I was just wondering, trying to

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put the.
Little pieces the the daughter,

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the the actual daughter Air
vanished OK, and never returned

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OK, And so the Queen died
without an air.

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OK.
The the way, the way it were.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The queen, the daughter queen

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died that without an air.
Yeah.

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I'm trying not to give away too
much.

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Yeah.
Now let me ask you a question,

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the question that I asked you
off screen a few hours ago

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having to do with one of the
sons.

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Does that have anything to do
with any of this stuff?

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Yes.
OK, Should I go ahead and OK,

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you know what, No, let's go
ahead and discuss this because.

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I mean, if you if you really,
really think about it, they've

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given you everything you need to
know about that missing darker

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air.
Really.

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Yeah.
OK.

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Even even up until this point,
things should start being like,

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wait a second, somebody is
sitting in a coincidence.

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OK, I do.
There are some things that

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happened in this episode that I
was looking like there's some

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weirdness going on.
And this is even before we get

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into the meat and potatoes of
the episode, like this opening

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scene where we're seeing Queen
Morgaze's coronation.

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The first thing we see is, of
course, her holding her,

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cradling her pregnant belly, and
she has a serpent ring on her

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finger.
And I was like, oh, wait, she's

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an eyes to die.
So that would explain why Elaine

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is kind of familiar with the
Azadi and the tower customs if

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her mom was a azadi and, and
she's been, I mean, she's been

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sending her there for summer
camp for the last.

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Every every Kingdom send, every
noble family, especially royal

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families send their daughters to
the tower whether they can turn

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or not to be trained.
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So she spent time at the top.
She can't channel, but she did

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spend time at the tower and
trained and got the honorary

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serpent ring.
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That was the other question I
was going to.

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Ask, remember when she said that
they can have a cereal?

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She told Elaine.
You can have ceremony and get

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your honorary serpent.
You can come back.

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I was going to ask about that
because I was like, what the

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hell is the honorary serpent
ring?

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So basically what you're telling
me right now is Queen more gays

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cannot channel?
No.

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So she that, does that mean
she's still a true Isodai or is?

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She, as it says she's not OK.
OK, I'm, I'm just asking

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because, because my
understanding of the series so

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far, because remember, I'm not a
book reader, is that the women

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who get the ring are the ones
who become Isodai.

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So that's what I'm trying to
clear up for the, for the, for

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the other people who who aren't
familiar.

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Well, so just like in when we
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think that was the King's wife.
His sister.

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His sister, she was very weak in
the power, but she was given the

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Serpentine because they knew
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advising or be near him.
Remember, they were very much

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like they've been the Jesuit in
Dune.

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Yeah, but she but she was able
to channel that's that's so that

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I guess.
That well, well, very little but

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but the and I don't think she
ever officially became an

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isodive.
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But she may she may have, but
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was she, she didn't wear any
color of a particular aja.

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So she may have never been
raised.

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I think she if I remember
correctly because that was what

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first season if I remember
correctly, I think she left

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because her brother needed her
to help defend against the

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blight.
So she never was laid, she.

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Never finished.
Yeah, she was never raised to

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the shawl, as it's as it's
called, because in the book they

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walk around wearing shawls of
the color along with the

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clothes.
But she was never raised to the

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shawl.
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So, yeah, so this episode was
kind of explaining one of the

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ways the azadi maintain some
control.

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They will have an azadi as an
advisor to whoever is in charge

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or ruler, or in this case in
Andor, when someone becomes a

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queen, she has been like Elaine,
gone to the tower to be trained,

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whether she can be channeled or
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But they have to learn the eyes
of that are are some of the best

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at knowing how to play the game
of houses.

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Moraine being one of the best at
playing the game.

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So that is where they go and
learn.

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So what they don't learn at
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Or they learn in the tower, Then
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supplemented by home because the
tower, they know what to teach

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them.
They know you need to know all

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these things.
They have knowledge that not

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everyone has access to.
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Does that make sense?
Yes, and actually it helps

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because watching the show is
like, we know enough, I will say

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about the Isodi and the
machinations, but we really

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haven't learned like what the
whole process is for someone to

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become a Isodi.
That's something that has not

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been explained fully.
We just kind of see it here and

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there and bits and pieces.
So that's why her having the

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ring and all of the exchange
that came afterwards.

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I was kind of curious about that
because I'm like, OK, so she's

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acid I OK.
And I guess this is also when

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Elaine is having a conversation
with her later on and she said

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something about I will be the
first true acid I queen.

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I didn't understand what that
meant because I was like, but

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her mom has the ring.
Isn't that so that?

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It's an honorary ring to remind
her of what she went through and

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how important the acid I are.
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So it's supposed to solidify her
connection to the ISO I.

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OK, at which is this this
alliance that Suwan keeps

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mentioning?
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OK, Yeah.
Technically, most of the

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kingdoms have an alliance with
the ISO I.

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OK, OK.
But apparently the one with

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Andor is is really, really
important because they've she's

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mentioned that a couple of Times
Now.

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If if I remember the map I think
Turvlon is an Andor maybe?

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OK.
I'm not sure, but it it's a very

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important alliance because I
think Andor has probably the

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largest, well, I was about to
say the largest and most capable

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army, but the the borderland
kingdoms would be very upset

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with me if I said that because
they're fighting Trollix all the

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time.
OK, so it is a very important

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army.
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So you guys talk about the
daughter earlier, the missing

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dot air out?
Of air.

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Yeah, is that Ryan's mom again?
Yeah, keep watching the show.

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Because you were saying that
they've given us all the clues

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to figure these things out, like
going along and deciphering and

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figuring out who's who and
what's what.

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And I'm like.
It sounds like very sound

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reasoning, Sir, I'm.
I'm just trying as as the person

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who is the the theory
prognosticator, the theory, but

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I am the theory of
prognosticator.

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So I will be throwing shit out
like this all the time.

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But I was thinking like, OK, she
has see, there's red hair there,

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there's red hair there.
Rand has red hair.

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His mom had red hair.
So I just kind of draw lines

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everywhere.
So and they're squiggly, they're

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squiggly and they're red and I
can't and they they get erased

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and drawn at the places.
So, but since I'm the person

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that probably out of the three
of us, I'm probably the least

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familiar with fantasy out of the
three of us, I'd probably be the

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least like I'd like, I know
certain things, but I don't.

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But I'm also a writer.
So I kind of, I kind of try to

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put myself in like, how would I
write this?

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Like, how would I connect it
without connecting it?

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And like blatantly saying, OK,
that's what that is.

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I'm like, yeah, you got to
figure out ways to like figuring

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out context clues 'cause I
actually ace that part to SAT,

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but that's not what.
So it's like, you kind of have

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to draw lines from here to here.
So that's why I was like, now

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I'm starting to think more and
more about about other things

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too now, like so, OK.
I mean, it it, it would make

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sense considering Rand needs to
have some level of authority

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with the people in this part of
the world.

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You know, I'm just saying like
you.

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Was going to leave that hanging
right there.

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You thought you'd go keep
talking like, yeah, like this

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part of the world like.
I know we're sitting here like.

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Now, now, now, think, think
about, I mean, this Mike is on

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to something really, really good
because writers do things

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intentionally and they don't try
to make it difficult for

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readers.
But even like you're familiar

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with Lord of the Rings.
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Aragorn is walking around
basically right the the heir to

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the High King.
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Several kingdoms he's and he's
just walking around Willy nilly

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and pretending like he didn't
know nothing.

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But he does know who he is, you
know?

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Yeah, got you.
OK, so I guess I'm going to keep

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with this train of thought real
quick because I'm I'm going to

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move ahead into the episode a
little bit because Queen Morgaze

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goes to the tower.
Because of course, after

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everything that's happened,
Elaine got kidnapped, taken to

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farm.
She wants some answers about

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what has happened to her child
and whether or not her child is

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there, whether she's safe.
You know, I guess she had to

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come and see with her own two
eyes.

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So when she comes there, she has
her two sons with her.

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At least that's what I'm
assuming that there are two sons

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because I noticed that when they
introduced Gilad, they just

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introduced him Lord Gilad of
Andor.

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And then when they introduced
Lord Gowen, they called him the

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Prince.
They called him like a by a

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specific title.
And I was wondering if that was

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because he was the oldest and
that's why he has the title.

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But then as I'm watching the
episode later on and I'm trying

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to figure out who Gillette is
because Anthony and Mike claim

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they don't see it but I was
trying to figure out why.

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I never said Jensen.
Ackles had a doppelganger in

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this show because he looks very
similar to Jensen Ackles.

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He also is very similar to Scott
Kahn too.

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Well, yeah, they they kind of
are, are similar, but I'm

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talking about Jensen Ackles with
the let's let's go with the

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Soulja Boy beard.
Not, not Dean Winchester.

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He he looks with the beard.
They they kind of look alike.

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So I'm sitting here trying to
figure out, OK, who is this

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actor?
Let me look him up.

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And so Amazon Prime has this
thing that they call X-ray,

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which is where when you hit
pause, it comes up with some

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things at the bottom of the
screen, including the names of

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the actors that are in the
current scene, the, the parts

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that they're playing.
And then if it's, you know,

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taking place in, let's say, if
they were in a farm, it will say

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farm.
And it, you could click on it

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and it'll give you some
information.

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So I click on this thing and it
has the actor's name Callum

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Kerr, and his name is listed as
Galid de Madrid and not Trecon.

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And I was like, why does he have
Moraine's last name?

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So Anthony, I'm going to ask
you, why does he have Moraine's

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last name and not the name
Trecon?

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Like Elaine and her mother and
her other brother.

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I'll I'll answer this in a non
spoilery way.

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I was just about to say this is
going to be spoilery.

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So nobody wants spoilers.
Just kind of, you know, yeah.

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Yeah, I want the answer in the
show notes she'll put.

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She'll put a time stamp in
there.

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I will.
But I will answer it for you in

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a non spoilery way.
His father and Moraine are

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cousins.
OK.

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OK.
Father side, obviously.

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And Moraine are cousins.
OK, so that means Moraine is

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related to Elaine in in some
kind of way, right?

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Because I'm assuming that the
Queen is probably his stepmother

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and not his mother.
Right.

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OK, OK.
So he and see this it gives it

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is we're.
Murking up the waters a little.

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Bit so he has OK He his his his
mother OK so fuck it.

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OK, am I making this too hard
for you to?

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No, no, no, let's say.
His his mother.

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His mother, who is no longer in
the picture.

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OK.
Left him behind and so his

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father ended up remarrying.
OK, he married Morgaze.

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OK.
And he and Morgaze had Elaine

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and.
Gawen.

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Gawen, right?
OK, so they are half siblings.

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OK.
So that would kind of, I guess

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that would kind of and.
His father, I think his name was

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Taran GAIL Taran GAIL Taran.
He that is his child by a

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previous marriage.
OK.

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And so she Morguez adopted him
when she married Taran GAIL.

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OK, so I guess that would kind
of also explain the dynamic when

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Elaine reunites with her family
because she and Gwen, they seem

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to have a very warm, loving
relationship and she and Galid

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are kind of like he seems like
he cares about her as his

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sister, but their interaction
seemed a little more formal.

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Right, because Gwen's Gwen's
tile is first Prince of the

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sword, which I guess he is the
first Prince with the sword

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because he is her actual
biological child.

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OK, but to.
Glad who is not?

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OK, so glad is older because I
was wondering about that was

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like, he looks and acts as if
he's the oldest son, but then

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when he came in and they just
announced him and then the other

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one came in and they announced
him with the title, it kind of

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struck me as weird 'cause I'm
OK, maybe I'm reading this

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wrong.
But And and Taryn, GAIL and

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Morgaze are distant cousins from
the house down Madrid.

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You mean you?
Mean I'm Marine I.

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Was going to say this is not
Game of Thrones.

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Marine well.
We haven't even gotten.

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Nothing.
You haven't.

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You haven't seen nothing yet.
I know it's going to blow your

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head away.
I figure, I figure, but OK.

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He made it.
He made it complicated for a

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reason.
OK, OK, so OK, we'll come back

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to the family dynamics later.
Let's go back to the throne room

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because when I tell you, I did
not expect Sawan to be to be

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petty Betty with this whole
thing.

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But I understand Queen Margaze
coming in with all of the

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dramatics and all of the pompous
circumstances that's befitting

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her station.
And it's so funny because they

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were in the throne room and
Leanna is she already looks

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irritated because she always
looks irritated.

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And she looks at Sawan and Sawan
looks at her and she shakes her

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head like no, we're not letting
her in yet.

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In the meanwhile, Queen Morgaze
is outside looking irritated

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that she as the queen is being
made to stand outside the doors.

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And then someone is like nods
yes.

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And when they come in and they
do all the pomp and

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circumstance, you have them
introducing, like I said, the

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guys they introduced the the
Queen Consort, which there was

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something weird about that.
I come.

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I thought it was issue.
I I can't lie, I thought it was

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Ishmael coming back.
I was like what the fuck?

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Because he kind of looked like.
Because yeah, he's good looking,

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dude.
But it was, it was just so weird

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because Leanna is so formal with
everything and the fact that she

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stumbled on his name, it was
just very weird to me.

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Oh, before, before you say that,
I just want to give props to the

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actress that plays Leanna
because she's not one of my

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favorite characters in the book.
Like I I really could care less

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because her and Swan are always
together.

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She But when she was the keeper,
yeah, she was irritated.

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She was.
And it's almost like this

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actress read it, read the books.
Yeah, you know, about the

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character because their
character was always irritated

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for some reason or another.
She.

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Plays it well.
She does it very well.

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Because she was like, these
people.

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And then as they keep announcing
people, you start realizing why

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she's irritated.
Because in comes Elijah Sedaka,

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played by the glorious Shura
Agdashlu.

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Like I can't even just the fact
that she is just gracing our

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screen.
I'm just in OK.

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Anyway, I I'm a huge fangirl of
that one.

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But anyway, so she comes in and
it's almost clear that she and

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Suwan also have a history before
we find out what it is later on,

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because when she comes in, she
just does like a very quick

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courtesy.
And she was like mother and

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someone's response to her was
welcome back daughter or

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something.
And it was just some, there was

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something very snarky about
their interactions with each

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other.
And I was like, OK, there's

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some, there's some weirdness
going on here.

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I wonder what that is?
They well, first of all, she's

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a, she's a red Azure, right?
Yes.

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Yep.
That's one, that's one strike.

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Then we find out later what's
up.

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Then I'm like.
Yeah.

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Yeah, like, OK, I see what it
is.

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But yeah, being a red Asha and
coming back in is just like,

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First off, red Asha are are
black sheep anyway, so to speak.

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But then like their leader was a
black Asha, so it's like, you

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don't know who.
I mean, they already don't know

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who to trust.
So here comes a red Asha with

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the queen and they have history
and she's like really don't want

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you here right now.
But I can't really tell you to

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go away because you're with the
queen.

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So I kind of have to deal with
you.

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I kind of have to just swallow
my swallow my pride and bite my

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tongue and just grip my teeth
while you're in my fucking room,

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so.
Yeah, and then and and and when

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Queen Morgaze gets in there and
Sawan does the formality, she

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was like, so, So what do we owe
this honor?

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And it's the little pause before
honor.

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I was like, Swan is shading them
so much in this one scene with

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the minimal of facial
expressions, words, whatever.

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She is shading them so hard in
the scene.

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And I was like, I need to know
what this dynamic is.

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And the minute Queen Moor gaze
opens her mouth and starts going

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off, I was like oh wait, who is
she talking to?

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Like that?
Like I was feeling I was feeling

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offended for someone like how
dare you?

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And so I had to tell the
daughter, excuse me, while you

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are in these halls and while you
wear that ring, you will address

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me as befitting the ambulance
seat there more gays says that

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mother, you never had a child so
you probably don't know the full

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men of the world.
I was like, I'm looking at my

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screen like who is this chick?
And who gave her the audacity

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And it it impressed me so one
impressed me so much in this

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scene because she never lost her
temper.

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Her facial expressions didn't
really change.

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Like you could see, especially
if you're a black person, you,

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you could read everything on her
face.

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The subtlest of of of movement,
eye placement, that little

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bitty, almost undetectable smirk
on her face, like we could read

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what she was thinking.
But she kept her cool.

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She kept it professional.
And she was like, OK, Leanna

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show her family to their rooms
and I will take her to see

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Elaine herself.
And I was just like so impressed

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with her.
But I I guess Anthony, if

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you're, I don't know if if the
acid falls within this game of

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houses or whatever, but whatever
it is.

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So 1 plays it very well because
I was expecting her to go off.

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I really was, but.
Yeah, the acid are pretty

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manipulative, so I'm I'm sure
they they may have invented the

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game of houses to be honest.
With you.

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But I I want to just give a
shout out to the costuming

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because.
Fire.

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Every episode they just come
through with these costumes.

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Yes, every episode they they
don't shortchange nothing,

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nothing.
Like the Queen's collar, like

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that collar was just like, yeah,
but you know what?

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She reminded.
Me of with that collar she

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reminded me of Helena Bonham
Carter as the Queen of Hearts

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and Alice.
I thought you were going to say

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Kate Blanchett as Elizabeth.
Oh, that's you, Yeah.

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But so.
So even Gabriel's costumes, Yes.

451
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:34,200
And Gawan's costume, Mike, yes.
Yeah, that's.

452
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:35,560
Why?
They.

453
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:39,800
Look so good.
So why could Leanne not remember

454
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:41,680
his?
Could she not remember his name?

455
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:43,560
Or was she kind of shook to see
him?

456
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:51,080
So that's the weird thing,
because even later on in the

457
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:55,960
episode, and it might, this is
what got me thinking about what

458
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:59,400
you just said about, oh, is this
Ishmael or Ishmael?

459
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:06,480
Because even when Elaine goes to
the room to reunite with her

460
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:12,400
family, she she reunites with
Galwyn first.

461
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:16,680
And then she looks at Gabriel
and she pauses.

462
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:21,400
And at first I kind of looked at
it like, OK, this stepdad,

463
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,640
probably somebody she doesn't
really get along with.

464
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,840
But then it's like after she
collects herself, the exchange

465
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:30,080
is normal.
And I don't know, I just started

466
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:33,160
wondering about that.
I was like, OK, so we are in a

467
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:38,400
period where they're talking
about black Asha being in the

468
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:39,680
tower.
Possibly.

469
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:44,360
We do have a red Asha that just
showed up and obviously has some

470
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,960
issues with some of the other
sisters because when they

471
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,640
announced her name, all of the
other sisters again, they start

472
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:54,360
doing that gossip thing like and
looking at her weird.

473
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:58,080
So I was like, is it something
having to do with him?

474
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,280
Like, is this another compulsion
thing like they did with Sharon?

475
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,640
So that I was like, OK, because
it's weird that it happened not

476
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:08,640
once but twice.
We're just kind of some like, I

477
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,800
don't know, there's something, I
thought there was something

478
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,920
really weird about him.
But then when you see him later

479
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:19,600
on in the episode and the way
that he interacts with Elaine, I

480
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:23,440
was just kind of like, oh, OK,
maybe I maybe that was kind of

481
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:27,320
just a weird thing.
And maybe, I don't know, maybe I

482
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,480
was reading too much into it
because it seems like Kim Andy

483
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:37,480
Lane were close before she came
to the White Tower.

484
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,040
And I'm looking at Anthony.
I'm I'm.

485
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:43,080
Looking at Anthony too because I
know he wants to say something.

486
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,520
He's like dying to explain
things.

487
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,400
Are are we kind of sort of on
the right track, Anthony?

488
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,120
Is there something weird about
Gabriel?

489
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:52,960
Would you like to share with the
class the?

490
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:57,720
The other thing is, look at how
quickly they put the the room

491
00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:59,960
back together after all that
destruction.

492
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,200
That isn't a preview.
Ducking the question.

493
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:07,040
I would assume that that is
because they don't want anybody

494
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,640
else to know what happened.
Like Elaine said when her mother

495
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,920
asked her, she was like, oh, my
daughter is hiding something

496
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:14,920
from me too.
And she was like, yeah, this is

497
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,720
internal tower business.
We've been told not to discuss

498
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,800
it with anyone.
So I would assume that all of

499
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:24,360
the other sisters who were there
probably put the room back

500
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:28,400
together as best they could
because they didn't want one.

501
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,400
You don't want people to know
that they're black Asha,

502
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,440
especially people outside the
tower.

503
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:37,280
So you don't want anybody who is
familiar with tower business to

504
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,160
know.
Oh, yeah, you guys had black

505
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,680
Asha, not just one.
You had several black Asha in

506
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:47,160
the tower unbeknownst to you.
Like, that would, I think, call

507
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:51,600
into question not only the
security but also someone's

508
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,080
leadership.
Like, how are you the ambulance?

509
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,480
And you didn't know you had
traders in your midst.

510
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,560
So I just felt like that part
was just them trying to cover

511
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:04,080
their tracks and trying to keep
that information from leaking

512
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,800
outside the tower.
Yeah, definitely.

513
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,160
But.
I, I don't know what he would

514
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,960
have to do with it unless, you
know, kind of like Anthony said

515
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,000
when we were talking about that
attack.

516
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,600
And I think we also talked about
it at towards the end of season

517
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:24,520
2, because the question I had
was how can somebody get into

518
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:29,480
come, you know, Compulse and I
said, I if they have security

519
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,320
measures and Anthony was like,
well, it's not like magical

520
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,560
security.
They have to, you know, they

521
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,560
have to use the one power to
shield themselves.

522
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:39,440
And that takes up a lot of
energy.

523
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,160
It takes more than one to do it.
So OK, we already know that.

524
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:48,280
That and, and a lot of the weeds
that were around during the age

525
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:53,320
of the legends are lost.
So they wouldn't even know

526
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,720
anything about compulsion unless
the Forsaken told them about it.

527
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,720
They wouldn't even know how to
do it unless they're forsaken

528
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:06,680
show them how to do it because
those weaves are lost to time.

529
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:11,400
That's that's that's what that
is what gives the Forsaken such

530
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:19,920
an advantage over over all these
eyes to die.

531
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,440
Right.
The only one who comes even

532
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:27,080
close to them is Naneve, who is
the most powerful I.

533
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:29,480
Swear to God.
We've seen.

534
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,400
One bull motherfucking time
without reporting.

535
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:33,040
Shit.
Yeah, that's.

536
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,720
Good look, I'm drinking with my
water 'cause I'm not drinking

537
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:40,400
alcohol at the moment.
So yes, I told you we're going

538
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,040
to have a we need to have a
drinking game every time we

539
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,080
mention that phrase and.
And I'm just going to throw this

540
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:51,680
out there.
Men and women who channel cannot

541
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:55,280
see each other's weeds.
Yeah, we, we, yeah, we've said

542
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:59,360
that before.
So if he was a Forsaken and he

543
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:04,000
walked in there and he has the
ability to compose everyone in

544
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,920
the room, they're all women,
they wouldn't have seen.

545
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:09,159
Anything see it?
Yeah.

546
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:12,880
They would.
See it if somebody else did it

547
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:16,440
if if one of them was doing it.
And as far as I know, at this

548
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:20,280
point, there is no one who can
defend against compulsion.

549
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:26,960
OK, there's no Aquamancy classes
to be taken for that, OK.

550
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:29,320
No, he, he.
No.

551
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:31,320
OK.
What is the?

552
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,719
What is the Prince Consort's job
like?

553
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:35,440
Is he like a?
Is he like?

554
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,400
He's the husband, but he's not
the king.

555
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,239
He's not the king.
I mean, that's, that's, that's

556
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:43,960
kind of similar, yeah.
Like like.

557
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,880
Like what's the like Camille?
Like Camilla?

558
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:52,960
The Didn't they make her queen?
No, they didn't.

559
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,480
They didn't.
OK, so yeah, she's a consort.

560
00:34:55,639 --> 00:34:57,520
King Consort.
King Consort.

561
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,280
Just he just hitting it I guess,
OK.

562
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:05,800
Yeah, Phillip for years was.
They never made him king either.

563
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:07,920
No.
Or she never made him.

564
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,520
And I don't know what the, what
the rules are about that because

565
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:15,000
one, it's it's not my monarchy,
so I really don't care.

566
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,120
It's just kind of like, OK,
that's her husband and that's

567
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:18,080
what they call him.
He's not.

568
00:35:18,240 --> 00:35:22,000
The I think the House of Lords
has to approve it or something,

569
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:27,560
but I think she has to petition
or I think the ruling monarch

570
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:31,080
has to petition, if I'm not
mistaken, the House of Lords and

571
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:34,120
they have to vote on it.
OK, OK.

572
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:37,840
And she probably never did that
because if he was made king,

573
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:41,920
then he would be the one whose
authority like was over hers,

574
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:43,960
correct?
Because we are not.

575
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,720
We are in a patriarchy driven.
I I don't know how.

576
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:49,240
I don't know how the monarchy
worked.

577
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,920
OK, OK, but coming back to Wheel
of Time.

578
00:35:53,240 --> 00:35:59,960
So is there a reason again why
they're only Queens of Andor?

579
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,880
Because again, they meant when
they mentioned more gazes

580
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,680
predecessor, they mentioned a
queen.

581
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:10,480
There's never any mention of a
king.

582
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:14,200
They never mentioned anything as
far as a king when he ascended

583
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,000
the throne.
I mean, she obviously had two,

584
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,160
two kids there.
She was pregnant with a third,

585
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:22,880
but there is no man by her side.
There's no king, there's no

586
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:27,080
queen consort at that time.
So I don't know if maybe he had

587
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,440
died in that war or what.
Whatever the I.

588
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,680
Don't know where I know where
Terran Gill is.

589
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:33,720
That's a good question.
OK.

590
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:40,680
And then of course, well if he
does, but Elaine is the daughter

591
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,000
Aaron, they only ever talk of
the daughter Air.

592
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,960
So is this one of those?
And I know that Wheel of Time is

593
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:54,400
a very woman driven name.
A lot of his a lot of he Robert

594
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:58,760
Jordan wrote a lot of yeah, a
lot of mid charcoal societies

595
00:36:58,760 --> 00:36:59,680
and.
Mid.

596
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:03,520
Charcoal driven storylines, OK.
So is that the same with

597
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,640
androids and and why there's
daughter heirs and not?

598
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,320
Yeah, yeah.
And if you notice, the sigil is

599
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:17,160
a lioness, it's not a lion.
And if you notice, even in the

600
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:22,720
safe house that they're in, in
Tarvilan, that was the Andorian

601
00:37:22,720 --> 00:37:24,640
safe house.
Because if you looked in the

602
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:29,240
windows, all the windows had
lionesses and even the outside,

603
00:37:29,240 --> 00:37:34,600
the sign had a lioness.
That's why, that's why Ling was

604
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,320
walking around and they're just
taking the alcohol and and all

605
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,920
that kind of stuff because that
was the Andorian safe house.

606
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,600
OK.
Oh, OK.

607
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,880
But yeah, so if you look at the
Andorian flag, it's a lioness.

608
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:52,360
It's not be, it's not like, it's
not like in England, where

609
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:56,480
depending on if you say king or
queen, they change things.

610
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:01,560
You know, we're here.
No, it's always a queen, an

611
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:06,320
Andor.
But as far as I know, I think of

612
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,280
the kingdoms, I think that might
be the only one if I'm not

613
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,880
mistaken.
Well, they were.

614
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,640
I think tier does it.
I think tier has a council.

615
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,080
I don't think they have king or
queen.

616
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,880
OK, there was a Queen and Kyrie
in too, right?

617
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,200
Or in that area because.
Yeah, but they also have.

618
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,520
Yeah, but they also have had
kings too.

619
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,640
OK, yeah, because I was going to
say barthanis when he said he

620
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:33,800
was going to marry the Queen, he
very specifically said I am

621
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:37,280
going to become king, not Queen
consort.

622
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:41,680
So OK.
But also but also the Yeah, but

623
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:43,680
that was a story for the for the
TV show.

624
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:48,200
Cause in the book it was a king
in carrion.

625
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:52,560
OK, so it's different for all
the different kingdoms.

626
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,880
So some of the kingdoms may have
Queens and only Queens, some of

627
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,600
the kingdoms may have kings or
both.

628
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,720
And OK.
OK, no, don't they just have

629
00:39:01,720 --> 00:39:04,680
council?
You know, there's, I think

630
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:09,560
there's one Kingdom that's based
on their merchants and they have

631
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:13,080
the merchants are the ones that
rule that that country.

632
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:15,800
So you you get all different
kinds.

633
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,760
OK.
Now do you think we will see all

634
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,240
of those kingdoms in the course
of the show?

635
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:22,760
No, No.
OK.

636
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:29,320
They don't have time.
OK, OK, alright, so let's let's

637
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:33,360
move on a little bit.
So Queen Morgaze, when she does

638
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:37,920
finally see Elaine, her whole
purpose is 1.

639
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,440
She's trying to find out what's
going on in the tower.

640
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,680
And two, she's told Elaine that
she has come to bring her home.

641
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,840
So basically, yeah, you're going
to get your honorary ring.

642
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:50,520
We're going to go home, and
you're going to, you know, do

643
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:53,240
what you need to do for the Lion
Throne.

644
00:39:53,240 --> 00:39:56,600
You will not become Isodine.
Elaine is very upset about this

645
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:58,640
because she tells her mother she
was like, I want to become a

646
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,320
Isodine.
Her mom was like, yeah, I wish I

647
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,800
could give you everything that
you want, but no, that's not

648
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:09,280
about to happen.
You're going home, which makes

649
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:14,240
it a little difficult.
Or maybe not so, but later on in

650
00:40:14,240 --> 00:40:19,920
the episode when someone is
trying to, she's trying to find

651
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:25,560
the black Asha and she ends up
enlisting Elaine and Naive to

652
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,760
help her because she says that
she can't trust anybody else,

653
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:32,920
even Baron, even Leanna.
And I was like, if you can't

654
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:38,280
trust the people who literally
saved you from the black Asha or

655
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:41,840
who had damage done to them
while defending against the

656
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:45,480
black Asha, you just throw the
whole acid.

657
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,120
I away.
Just throw them away.

658
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,320
If you can't trust them because
what's the point?

659
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:55,360
What's the point?
It's just the the machinations

660
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:59,000
with the acid.
I thinking about what Mike has

661
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:04,240
said is, is one of those things
where you start out watching the

662
00:41:04,240 --> 00:41:06,680
show and you think that there's
a good guy and then there's a

663
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,240
bad guy.
And then the more we get into

664
00:41:09,240 --> 00:41:14,240
it, we Start learning.
It's not only Shades of Grey but

665
00:41:14,240 --> 00:41:18,480
y'all are like even y'all are
even diluting the grey at this

666
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:22,720
point.
Radiance everywhere.

667
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:29,880
Everywhere. 50 Shades of grey.
Because even when after they

668
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:36,040
have the conversation with Swan
when I need and Elena coming out

669
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,320
there, like she wasn't telling
us the whole truth.

670
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:42,640
If the ambulance seat ain't
telling the truth, who is there

671
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,680
to tell the truth besides
Moraine?

672
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,840
Because far as I can tell,
Moraine has never lied in the

673
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,120
show.
She's kind of started around

674
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:56,040
some things, but she's never
like lied or I, I don't.

675
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:00,120
Know none of the real eyes that
I have lied.

676
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,720
They can't lie.
This is.

677
00:42:02,720 --> 00:42:07,920
True, you know, we may think you
can lie about omission.

678
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:11,640
That doesn't apply to the eyes.
To that he doesn't say.

679
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:13,920
You have to tell the whole truth
and nothing but the truth.

680
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:17,520
Yeah, OK.
I I.

681
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,560
So Swan can leave stuff out.
She didn't have to tell them

682
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:25,200
everything, but whatever she
tells him is the truth.

683
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:30,640
But she also needs to understand
that you're talking to 2 girls

684
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:35,280
who again now they, they've,
they've left the tower before

685
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,560
they've seen the world.
And I mean, even before that,

686
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,440
Elaine has seen the world 'cause
she's she's part of Andor.

687
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,000
I mean, she's part of the royal
family is.

688
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:48,040
Is there anything that she
didn't tell them that they

689
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:52,080
needed to know?
That she didn't want them to

690
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:53,520
know.
Hold on, I'm.

691
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,400
Trying to that she, that she,
that she, that they needed to

692
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:57,560
know.
Right.

693
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:00,320
Yeah, that's what I meant, like.
She told them everything they

694
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:03,880
needed to know to do their task.
Yeah, that's true.

695
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:08,120
She did.
But I mean, again, what I was

696
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:11,880
about to say is you are talking
about two of the smartest girls

697
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:16,080
that are in the tower.
They see everything, especially

698
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,080
Elaine.
And we learned this in the last

699
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:20,520
episode.
Elaine sees a lot, she pays

700
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:25,440
attention to a lot, and she very
specifically, I feel like Elaine

701
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,560
focuses on the things that are
not being said and that are not

702
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,000
being done.
She reads the room and she reads

703
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:33,840
people.
Yes, very much so.

704
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,880
So she knows this one is not
telling them everything.

705
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:38,640
So what are they going to end up
doing?

706
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,440
They going to end up going to
try to figure out what it is

707
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:44,600
that she's not telling them.
Especially after Elaine

708
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:48,080
overheard the conversation
between Leanna and Veron earlier

709
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,000
that day.
Because they were talking about

710
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:52,320
what?
We don't know who to trust.

711
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,920
You saw how many there were.
They could be talking about the

712
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:59,960
black Asha, but they could be
talking about somebody,

713
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,720
something else too.
Yeah, but Elaine ain't stupid.

714
00:44:02,720 --> 00:44:05,920
She know they're talking about.
I know.

715
00:44:06,240 --> 00:44:08,800
But it's just like when they
were having a conversation about

716
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:15,920
Elijah Sedai, Leanna Varon and
Swan when they were having that

717
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:19,200
conversation and they were
talking about Eliza's going to

718
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,920
cause trouble and someone's
like, no, she's only going to be

719
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:23,800
here for a few days.
I don't think that's going to be

720
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,320
the problem.
And they were talking about

721
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:30,760
doing something else and Leanna
said, I don't like this.

722
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:34,320
And Swan was very clearly kind
of agitated with her.

723
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,120
She was like, you made your your
thoughts well known on this

724
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,560
daughter and just kind of
dismissed her.

725
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:43,600
And Leanna looked irritated.
And I was like, what is going on

726
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:45,080
here?
There's some, there's another

727
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:48,760
piece missing that I'm not
getting.

728
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:53,680
I feel like, because I feel like
it's not just about the black

729
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:57,480
Asha at this point as far as
whatever it is Leanna and Vera

730
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:02,480
were discussing.
But I, I don't know, it's like I

731
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:05,160
want to take it at face value
and say, OK, they're talking

732
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:09,440
about the black Asha, but
there's been so much subtext and

733
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:13,200
this and that and and and the
other with this show that is

734
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:19,000
like, I don't know.
I, I want to trust them, but I

735
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:25,480
just don't know if I do.
And I'm so confused.

736
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:31,520
But one thing that seems to be
in agreeance with everyone is

737
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:35,280
that nobody seems to like Eliza
to die.

738
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:40,120
And then all of this stuff about
popularity and about, you know,

739
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:44,200
support and oh, well, this
person has a lot of support.

740
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:46,400
And we remember what happened
last time.

741
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:50,840
So apparently she was the one
that was up against the one for

742
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,200
the ambulance seat and, of
course, the 11.

743
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:55,800
How does the ambulance seat get
determined?

744
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:59,440
Because I don't think we've
discussed that in this show as

745
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,640
well.
And I know that's a question and

746
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:03,240
I know that's a question I've
always had.

747
00:46:03,240 --> 00:46:08,880
So is this something that it's
just like a popularity contest

748
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,720
like they do, you know, with the
presidency, they have to go

749
00:46:11,720 --> 00:46:14,600
around stumping and trying to
get support from the other

750
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:18,720
Isodai sisters.
Is there a there's not any type

751
00:46:18,720 --> 00:46:21,400
of battle or anything that they
have to do that I have there's.

752
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:24,160
There's no battle for the
position.

753
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:30,360
OK, so it's basically.
If anything is read, book

754
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:33,400
readers gonna kill me for this,
but if anything is probably

755
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:36,400
closer to the Pope, how the Pope
is determined.

756
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:40,080
OK.
It's probably close to to that.

757
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:46,560
OK.
So is it was there I wondering,

758
00:46:46,720 --> 00:46:50,920
was there like were there like
trust issues or was it just like

759
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:54,280
a or was it just an election
where they're like not fuck her?

760
00:46:54,720 --> 00:46:56,840
Well, I mean one, no.
She did that.

761
00:46:56,840 --> 00:47:00,120
She had probably she garnered
more support in the background

762
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,400
then and Elijah wasn't very well
liked.

763
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:05,080
Yeah, that's what I was about to
say.

764
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:08,800
Mike, you said it yourself.
One, she's read Asha and it

765
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:10,960
seems like nobody really likes
them.

766
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:17,880
And then two, even again, the
way that Elijah walked into the

767
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,720
throne room when she first got
introduced and the way that

768
00:47:20,720 --> 00:47:24,520
she's been kind of walking
around the tower just in this

769
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:30,280
episode alone.
Yeah, I can see how a lot of the

770
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:34,440
people wouldn't like her because
she, I don't want to say she

771
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:39,920
operates sneaky, but she does
seem like she has ulterior

772
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:43,120
motives.
So yeah, I get kind of seeing

773
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:49,280
where I, I, I don't know where
she might not be popular as as

774
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:52,440
opposed to Swan.
Yeah.

775
00:47:53,760 --> 00:48:00,200
But OK, I'm trying to think, I
know we have other things to

776
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:02,720
talk about with this episode.
So we gonna leave the tower for

777
00:48:02,720 --> 00:48:07,120
a little bit.
Let's go to let's see, what do

778
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:09,680
we want to do?
Do we want to go to Rand in them

779
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:11,840
or do we want to go to parent in
them?

780
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:15,960
Let's talk about my dog because
I'm worried about I'm worried

781
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:18,560
about boil.
Dog.

782
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:24,720
I told you he's going to say
that every chance he gets until.

783
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:30,960
It doesn't matter but but OK.
But but for real, I'm worried

784
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:35,000
about loyal because he he
doesn't look good at all.

785
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:40,760
So can can you explain the
studying and the studying and

786
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:43,680
longing as far as he goes?
Like do you know more much about

787
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:48,360
that?
The studying is a place where

788
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:51,080
the old gear lives.
OK.

789
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:53,240
Oh, it's a place.
It's not.

790
00:48:53,240 --> 00:48:55,280
It's not like the act of doing
something is the.

791
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:57,040
Next.
Yeah, No, I think they mentioned

792
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:00,240
it in the first season when they
first went through the ways.

793
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:08,800
They're they're these locations
and the old gear are I'm not

794
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:12,080
going to give this is not giving
anything away, but the standings

795
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:15,920
because they talked about this,
I think in those shorts that

796
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,680
were before the first season
they came out.

797
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:23,880
So the settings are think of
them as like orchards in

798
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:28,560
different areas where the Ogili,
the one power does not work

799
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:33,880
there doesn't exist there.
So when men started going crazy,

800
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:36,560
one of the places they they
found sawdust was in the

801
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:39,480
settings and they'll let them
stay there.

802
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:45,840
And one of the things that the
men did was help them build the

803
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:53,240
waves to move from 1 standing to
another and to also move around.

804
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:57,880
But the breaking of the world
broke up continents and

805
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:01,840
locations.
So the standings moved and their

806
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:07,120
gear got lost.
And because they are physically

807
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:11,280
and spiritually tied to the
settings, those who could not

808
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:14,960
find the standings, they started
getting sick.

809
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:18,440
Is it was it's like an extreme
version of homesickness is what

810
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:21,560
the longing is.
And if you stay away too long,

811
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:26,320
you, the OG will die.
So yeah, you are right to be

812
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:28,480
concerned about him.
If he's starting to feel

813
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:32,360
homesick first, it's going to be
he's going to start feeling

814
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:34,800
physically sick.
He's going to deteriorate.

815
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:37,960
Eventually he's going to die
because he has to go back to a

816
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:42,960
stay in the kind of touch base.
OK, cool, that's what I was

817
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,160
thinking.
But I'm like, you can't kill my

818
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:47,360
kill my dude, man.
That's the I mean.

819
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:48,640
They're not.
They're not going to kill

820
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:49,800
Loyale.
We need Loyale.

821
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:53,320
I'm saying we do like that's my,
that's my dude, man.

822
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:56,040
I'm sure my dog needs some too.
And.

823
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:01,600
You talk about your dog, he came
out.

824
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:05,800
Oh, finally they show, 'cause I
don't think we've seen Loyale

825
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:10,960
use the 3-4, the the trifle leaf
to open and close the way gate,

826
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:11,760
have we?
Right.

827
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:16,960
Yeah, yeah, like a key, right.
Yeah, it's like a key that they

828
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:19,320
used to.
And The thing is, in the book,

829
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:22,120
that's the only way to do it.
You can't use the one power to

830
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:24,080
open and close them.
OK.

831
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:25,720
OK.
Yeah, because I was going to

832
00:51:25,720 --> 00:51:31,200
say, I think every time that
we've seen the ways opened so

833
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:35,160
far up to this point, it's
always been someone else opening

834
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:38,120
it, whether it's a Moraine or
Landfair.

835
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:41,920
Yeah, and he even says the
proper way to use the way he

836
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:45,240
came.
Yeah, what?

837
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:50,360
Because what did he say?
He said only dark friends would

838
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:53,200
try to navigate through the
waves without a no gear.

839
00:51:53,720 --> 00:51:55,200
Yeah.
And I was like, but Moraine

840
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:58,640
didn't do that.
But I forgot they they had a no,

841
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:00,440
they didn't have a dark friend
with them the first time.

842
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:01,840
Oh no, they had Loyale with
them.

843
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:04,320
The. 1st.
Time and then the second time

844
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:05,920
that they went through, they had
landfill.

845
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:07,160
They had landfill.
Yeah.

846
00:52:07,240 --> 00:52:12,440
So, OK, that makes sense.
But yeah, I was, I was looking

847
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:16,440
at L'Oreal and I was just like,
dude, do not do this.

848
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:19,880
We have, we have met our death
quota for the season.

849
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:22,680
I mean, no, that's probably not
true.

850
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:26,120
But for me, we've met our death
quota for the season.

851
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:28,400
Ivan was it.
Y'all can't kill anybody else.

852
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:32,760
So whatever y'all have to do for
L'Oreal, find a setting when you

853
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:34,880
go back through, whenever you go
back through.

854
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:40,720
I do it because we are not
losing him in this season or any

855
00:52:40,720 --> 00:52:42,400
season.
I I refuse.

856
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:45,800
We're not, we're not doing that.
Yeah, I'm, I'm going to say the

857
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,560
Augeer.
Have they know enough about it

858
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:51,920
to be able to avoid?
They know which I think they

859
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:57,600
know which ones, which paths are
overrun by the black mist, I'll

860
00:52:57,600 --> 00:52:59,200
call it.
Matching chin.

861
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:03,080
Matching chin, yeah.
So they know which, where, where

862
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:05,520
to avoid so he can navigate
through there.

863
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:08,080
OK.
But there are places where they

864
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:10,120
won't go because it's just too
much.

865
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:13,680
OK, yeah, but he was saying that
it would have taken them too

866
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:17,280
long because I guess, I guess
just like you're saying is where

867
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:20,120
they go to recharge.
It's not just the are we

868
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:22,880
stepping into home?
Oh, OK, I got a power boost.

869
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:26,320
Let me go.
He probably actually has to be

870
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:28,440
there for a while.
And I think they were trying to

871
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:31,840
get to the Two Rivers.
For what reason they were

872
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:35,560
rushing, I don't know.
But now we know the reason why,

873
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:38,880
because I think, did you mention
this in the last episode?

874
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:45,360
OK, so here they didn't give a
reason why parent just wanted to

875
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:46,560
go back home.
Right.

876
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:53,720
Which the problem with that is
even with loyal, it's still a

877
00:53:53,720 --> 00:53:57,320
dangerous way to go.
So if you're not in the rush to

878
00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:02,600
get back, you can take the long
way without putting yourselves

879
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:04,560
at risk.
So I think this was just one of

880
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:06,520
those scenes where the writers
was like, fake it.

881
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:08,520
We'll just we'll just make it
work.

882
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:13,640
Because if they had have given
us the reason from the book,

883
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,920
then it would make sense as to
why he was away.

884
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:21,680
Because in the book he had heard
that the White Cloaks were

885
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:26,800
looking for a man with yellow
eyes in the Two Rivers, and he

886
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:30,240
knew that was him.
So he wanted to rush back.

887
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:33,840
And also, well, actually, what
they heard first, what they

888
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:36,160
heard was Two Rivers was in
trouble.

889
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:39,200
The White Cloaks were there.
Matt was busy.

890
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:41,800
Rand was busy.
He was the only one who wasn't.

891
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:43,760
So he was the one who had to go
back.

892
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:47,800
And then he started hearing they
were looking.

893
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:51,320
The White Cloaks were looking
for a man with gold eyes.

894
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:56,520
And you know, when he got there,
this is probably why we left

895
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:58,080
out.
When he got there, his family

896
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:00,440
was dead.
Oh, OK.

897
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:03,080
And they kicked off a whole
series of events.

898
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:07,480
OK, but I I noticed that they're
changing the dynamic.

899
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:11,120
Well, I mean, we mentioned this
in the first season too, because

900
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:13,080
you said in the books he didn't
have a wife.

901
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:19,720
And so in this episode, you
know, when when he does get make

902
00:55:19,720 --> 00:55:23,040
it to the Two Rivers and a
Gwen's mom is telling him about

903
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:25,840
what's going on.
And she was like, yeah, they're

904
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:29,280
looking for you and they're
paying people to, you know, to

905
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:33,560
give up anybody who you know,
that any of your family and

906
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:35,520
friends.
And he asked what about my

907
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:38,880
family?
And then she says that who was I

908
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:43,600
think Matt's dad, Rand's dad and
somebody else got his family

909
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:44,960
safety.
Yeah.

910
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:48,880
So I, I've noticed that they are
changing the dynamic as far as

911
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:53,160
parents, family goes.
So, you know, he comes back to

912
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:57,240
the Two Rivers and there's
literally nobody there for him

913
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:02,440
except for a Gwen's mom.
And, you know, before he even

914
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:07,960
sees a Gwen's mom, they see the
white cloaks come through and

915
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:11,360
they're like, what is going on?
And then that's what she's like.

916
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:14,240
Yeah.
This is not safe for you here.

917
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:17,640
We're going to hide you in the
attic over here in this building

918
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:19,960
with the others until tomorrow
morning.

919
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:21,440
Then we're going to send you all
on your way.

920
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:26,440
And parents like what others.
And he goes into the attic and

921
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:29,960
there's Alana and Maxim Now when
you.

922
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:33,560
Say when they first came out of
the waves, he's like, it's two

923
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:35,600
sets of footprints, a man and a
woman.

924
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:40,320
I'm like, first of all, dude,
when did you become Gus from CSI

925
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:42,480
Las Vegas?
He's a wolf brother.

926
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:44,880
He's, he's picking this stuff
up.

927
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:47,240
That's why his eyes are
permanently gold.

928
00:56:47,240 --> 00:56:52,120
Now he's he's, he's morphing
into whatever this is, whatever

929
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:55,400
a wolf brother is, which is not
a werewolf might, but he's

930
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:59,840
morphing into whatever this is.
I'm, I'm guessing that as a wolf

931
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:02,680
brother, as what was the guy's
name?

932
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:07,120
Elias, as he kind of mentioned,
you will take on their traits.

933
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:08,880
You will be able to do certain
things.

934
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:13,960
So I mean, it's been on.
My, it's been you're giving them

935
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:16,760
a little bit more credit than
they deserve, but I'll let I'll

936
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:19,400
let them have it.
I'm just have it.

937
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:24,320
I mean, it's like, I mean, we
don't have to worry until until

938
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:27,320
parent has like a like a raw
steak hanging out of his mouth.

939
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:32,520
Then at that point we got to be
like, OK, we got for you.

940
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:36,040
I.
Yeah, yeah, OK.

941
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:40,360
But it's great to see Alana and
Maxim back so.

942
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:44,520
Yeah, because parent parent.
Is like though.

943
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:46,280
What?
What?

944
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:50,120
Alana looks rough though and but
she's been through a lot.

945
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:54,240
But I'm like, oh baby, baby.
Yeah.

946
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:57,400
I wonder, is that like the paint
that she has on her face?

947
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:01,400
Is that like morning paint like?
Probably.

948
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:03,960
OK, because I've never seen her
with.

949
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:07,360
I've never seen her with her
face painted before, except for

950
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:11,480
I think maybe during battle.
But I.

951
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:14,960
Don't think she's, I don't think
we've seen her with anything.

952
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:17,760
No, there might have been Carini
that I saw.

953
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:20,720
I saw somebody with some some
kind of paint on their face.

954
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:26,680
But yeah, so it's interesting.
Or she did it during Carini's

955
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:29,240
funeral.
Oh, OK.

956
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:31,520
Maybe she did.
I'm not going back 'cause I'm

957
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:34,680
not freeze framing, so I'm just
going to guess.

958
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:37,720
Whatever, I'll go back and look.
It's the first, first season

959
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:41,320
episode.
But yeah, Perrin kind of, you

960
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:44,280
know, mentions he was like, you
know, it's good to see you guys

961
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:46,160
here.
Like we heard that you were

962
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:48,480
involved in the battle with the
black eyes.

963
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:51,480
Like Nanny told us this, but
nobody saw you guys 'cause you

964
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:55,200
disappeared after and we were
all worried about you because

965
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:58,200
of, you know, what happened to
your, your other warder.

966
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:05,520
And I was like, how and why
would Alana go to the Two

967
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:09,280
Rivers?
I don't understand that because

968
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:13,280
as far as I know, she's never
been there, even though we don't

969
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:16,440
know that much about Alana.
But I just, I don't know, was it

970
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:19,680
that she was trying to go
somewhere that nobody would

971
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:24,160
think to look for her?
Or maybe she was following a

972
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:26,000
leave for something.
Maybe she was looking for

973
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:27,040
parent.
I don't know.

974
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:29,280
But it's like, why would she be
in the Two Rivers?

975
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:33,000
I don't know.
It could be related to Loyale

976
00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:38,240
when he said, ah, this is the
location of Mennethrin, you

977
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:40,120
know, the great city of
Mennethrin.

978
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:45,920
And then parents like, yeah,
that was a long time ago.

979
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:49,160
Yeah, like, like we're farmers
and shepherds now.

980
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:52,040
And I like it.
I like that she had looked at

981
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:54,640
him and said she said if you say
so.

982
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:57,880
I mean, I've seen you dance the
spirit with the Spears, but OK,

983
00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:00,960
if you say you're a farmer,
'cause she was basically saying,

984
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:05,160
no, you're a warrior.
You are, you know, you, you fit

985
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:08,640
the bill.
But yeah, but yeah, that was

986
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:10,920
just kind of weird 'cause I was
like, why would she end up

987
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:13,120
there?
Because Two Rivers is kind of.

988
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:19,400
About as half a world away from
Tarva Lawn as farm is right it.

989
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:25,880
Is.
So and, and, and the fact that

990
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:29,760
they came through the waves,
that's, that's weird to me, I

991
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:31,960
will say.
Should you want to get there

992
01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:36,320
fast.
But thinking about what Loyal

993
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:40,280
said as far as traveling through
the waves without an ocean here?

994
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:44,440
I mean, this not spoiled, but
we've seen, we've seen the

995
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:47,240
trailer, there's going to be a
battle there and there's going

996
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:49,520
to be a Trollix.
So maybe she knows Trollix will

997
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:52,240
come in.
Yeah, but it still doesn't.

998
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:58,120
I I guess for me the the
confusion is taking what Loyal

999
01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:01,480
said in this episode about
traveling through the waves.

1000
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:07,680
He said only a dark friend would
travel through the waves without

1001
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:13,200
a no gear.
So did Alana and Maxim come

1002
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:15,680
through the ways without a no
gear?

1003
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:19,200
And if they did, does that mean
that one of them is a dark

1004
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:23,160
friend or I'm?
I think that's where my

1005
01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:29,240
confusion is.
I think your confusion is Rudy

1006
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:32,720
and the ineptitude of some
writers on this show.

1007
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:38,920
OK, I'll take that.
And we'll just leave it at that.

1008
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:42,920
OK, because again.
I'm because one, they didn't

1009
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:46,640
they, they didn't give a reason
for parent to go and they didn't

1010
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:49,960
give a reason for a parent to go
and use the waves of all, all

1011
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:54,400
things.
And Alana took the waves, which

1012
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:57,360
she probably shouldn't have.
No, we know about it.

1013
01:01:57,640 --> 01:02:01,640
Those are all things that a
writer who's is looking for

1014
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:05,720
shortcuts would do, and without
explanation.

1015
01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:08,600
OK.
When a previous writer already

1016
01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:12,520
established rules, another
writer has now ignored those

1017
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:14,480
rules for the sake of their
story.

1018
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:16,600
OK.
And that that's going to happen

1019
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:19,320
a lot during the show.
It happened during the second

1020
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:22,440
season, it happened during the
first season, OK, It is what it

1021
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:24,920
is, OK?
Some things, if you think too

1022
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:26,720
hard about it, it's just going
to make your head.

1023
01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:28,360
Break my brain.
Yeah.

1024
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:31,560
Because the only other thing I
can think of is that maybe,

1025
01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:34,960
maybe they took a chance and go
that way because they figured

1026
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:38,600
maybe none of the black Asha
would follow them.

1027
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:41,000
Like nobody would think that
they would come through that

1028
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:42,800
way.
Or no, the black eyes would have

1029
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:48,840
followed them again.
If they if they were really

1030
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:51,520
looking for them, I don't think
the black Asha was looking for

1031
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:56,200
them so but OK.
But there there isn't any other

1032
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:58,280
reason why she would go in the
waves.

1033
01:02:59,920 --> 01:03:01,480
She could have gone a long way,
too.

1034
01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:09,680
OK, yeah, but yeah, it was just,
it was good to see her, but also

1035
01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:12,320
very weird to see her in the Two
Rivers.

1036
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:15,560
That was just strange.
And the way everybody was

1037
01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:18,680
looking at paring, it's almost
like I was like, why do y'all

1038
01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:20,400
act like y'all don't know who he
is?

1039
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:24,960
But then when a Gwen's mom said
I almost didn't recognize you

1040
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:28,600
with that beard, I was like, oh
wait, he didn't really have a

1041
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:30,720
beard when we first met, no.
He was.

1042
01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:33,520
He was thinner too and had
shorter hair.

1043
01:03:35,040 --> 01:03:38,560
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He didn't have the glorious

1044
01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:44,680
Afro.
OK, alright, that makes sense.

1045
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:46,920
But yeah.
So Parent is back in the Two

1046
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:51,280
Rivers.
So is Alana and Maxim, and so

1047
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:54,720
are the white coats.
I don't think this is going to

1048
01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:59,080
be a very peaceful visit home
for Parent.

1049
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:01,880
I just.
Yeah, I think.

1050
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:05,280
I think Two Rivers gets two
rivers Gary get fucked up again.

1051
01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:08,200
This is the the two rivers is
like the Statue of Liberty and

1052
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:10,280
disaster movies.
That shit always gets like,

1053
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:13,800
always gets like run through and
run down and fucked up like.

1054
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:18,320
Yeah, I was wondering, 'cause I
was like, why does it look like

1055
01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:21,440
nothing happened here?
They should be rebuilding stuff.

1056
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:24,720
And I forgot that Moraine fixed
up everything before that.

1057
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:28,520
Before she left, she put, I
think she put together

1058
01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:30,160
something.
She put back together some of

1059
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:32,800
the buildings, didn't she, with
the one Power?

1060
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:37,440
I don't like she did that much
with the with the forge with

1061
01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:42,120
parents forge though.
But I mean the forge was was

1062
01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:45,600
open anyway I I don't remember
it really having the.

1063
01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:48,960
Walls.
Yeah, because because of fire.

1064
01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:51,640
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.

1065
01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:54,720
Last thing you want is carbon
monoxide poisoning in the place

1066
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:56,520
where you sleep.
Well no, I mean no.

1067
01:04:56,520 --> 01:04:59,880
What I'm saying is it still
looked like ashen and burnt and

1068
01:04:59,880 --> 01:05:04,120
like not like it looked.
It looked like it was in

1069
01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:05,760
disrepair.
It didn't look like anyone else

1070
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:10,640
had taken up, had taken up taken
up blacksmithing since he left.

1071
01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:16,040
Could be or it could have just
been maybe abandoned 'cause I

1072
01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:20,320
mean we don't really know what
parents family does as far as

1073
01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:24,760
trade because the only family we
really met of his was Layla.

1074
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:29,880
So you know, whoever his family
is, I don't know if it's mother,

1075
01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:33,800
father, whatever.
I know in the books there he has

1076
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:37,000
both parents and he has some
sisters because I did read the

1077
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:38,760
first few chapters of the first
book.

1078
01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:42,240
So I do know that much.
But I mean, they could also be

1079
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:47,040
blacksmiths as well.
But we don't know how long it

1080
01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:51,200
was from the time that they've
left because they were fleeing

1081
01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:53,480
from the white cloak.
So it could have been could have

1082
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:57,360
been days, it could have been
weeks, you know, parents been

1083
01:05:58,280 --> 01:06:00,400
what bomb happened about a month
ago.

1084
01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:03,240
It's been over a year, right?
That.

1085
01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:07,080
Because there there was build
time when they left and then

1086
01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:09,080
they celebrated another build
time.

1087
01:06:11,040 --> 01:06:13,480
Yeah.
So it's, it's been over.

1088
01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:16,200
It's been has to be almost two
years.

1089
01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:22,160
Because if you think about it,
from the end of the first season

1090
01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:26,400
to where we pick up in the
second season, well, from the

1091
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:28,320
eye of the world to where we
pick up.

1092
01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:32,000
That would.
Another six months and they

1093
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:36,040
celebrated Belle Tie during that
particular time, and then

1094
01:06:36,040 --> 01:06:39,120
they've traveled to Pham and all
of that stuff.

1095
01:06:39,120 --> 01:06:42,160
And I know from the time they
left Pham to come back to Tarva

1096
01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:44,440
Line, that was another month,
yeah.

1097
01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:49,280
So yes, it's probably been it's.
Been over 2 years.

1098
01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:52,040
Yeah, or, or about two years.
About two years.

1099
01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:55,760
Yeah.
So there's no telling how long

1100
01:06:55,760 --> 01:06:58,920
that's been abandoned.
But I mean, it can't have been

1101
01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:01,760
too long because if the white
clothes are looking for parent,

1102
01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:06,840
they're looking for him
specifically because he killed

1103
01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:12,680
what's his name that that was
only a month, month and a half

1104
01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:14,680
ago.
So.

1105
01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:17,560
It's interesting that they would
think he would go back to the

1106
01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:20,160
Two Rivers.
So.

1107
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:25,040
Yeah, maybe, but maybe they also
think if you stir up enough

1108
01:07:25,040 --> 01:07:27,360
stuff and miss with enough
people where we get back to him,

1109
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:29,840
he would come back.
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.

1110
01:07:29,840 --> 01:07:35,280
Because common sense would say
home is the last place where

1111
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:39,000
parents should go.
Which is again another reason

1112
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:43,920
why what you're saying as far as
them leaving out the reason he

1113
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:47,040
went to the Two Rivers, that it
doesn't make sense Because why

1114
01:07:47,040 --> 01:07:48,720
would you go back to the Two
Rivers?

1115
01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:51,880
That's where all the trouble
started in the 1st place because

1116
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:53,880
they sent the trolleys there to
look for you.

1117
01:07:55,120 --> 01:07:58,840
So if you've been involved with
all this stuff in farm, you were

1118
01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:03,680
literally on top of the tower
with the Dragon Reborn.

1119
01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:08,920
You basically have made yourself
an ally of the Dragon Reborn and

1120
01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:12,240
an enemy of anybody who is
against him, probably including

1121
01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:16,359
the White Cloaks.
And then on top of that, you

1122
01:08:16,359 --> 01:08:18,560
killed the leader of the White
Cloaks, so you killed the

1123
01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:21,680
general of the White Cloaks.
So it wouldn't make sense for

1124
01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:27,600
him to go back home unless like
you said, they went to to the

1125
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:29,960
Two Rivers.
They started messing with his

1126
01:08:29,960 --> 01:08:34,520
family hoping to lure him home.
That would have made sense if

1127
01:08:34,520 --> 01:08:37,080
they did that.
But him showing up and then all

1128
01:08:37,080 --> 01:08:40,399
of a sudden finding out that
he's a wanted man and that his

1129
01:08:40,399 --> 01:08:44,000
family have been moved to
safety, that that really doesn't

1130
01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:51,279
make a lot of sense.
But I mean, I like it that he

1131
01:08:51,279 --> 01:08:54,680
does still have a friend there.
You know, if Wayne's mom is

1132
01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:58,000
trying to help them out and
she's like, yeah, you, you guys

1133
01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:00,760
got to go.
And parents like, I'm not going

1134
01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:03,040
anywhere if they're doing all of
this because of me.

1135
01:09:03,319 --> 01:09:04,880
I'm just going to turn myself
in.

1136
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:08,000
I'm looking at a parent like,
you really think anybody

1137
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:10,439
standing in that room right now
is going to let you turn

1138
01:09:10,439 --> 01:09:13,840
yourself in, no matter how noble
the reason?

1139
01:09:13,840 --> 01:09:19,600
You really think Anne and Chiat
and Loyal and Alana and Maxima

1140
01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:20,880
gonna be like, oh, yeah, just
walk.

1141
01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:22,960
Just walk down there and go to
the white clothes.

1142
01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:27,040
Just turn yourself in.
No, that's not how this works.

1143
01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:32,920
But like you said in the
trailer, we do see that there is

1144
01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:34,600
some kind of battle against the
Trollix.

1145
01:09:34,600 --> 01:09:38,840
So we already know, like I said,
this is not going to be a

1146
01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:42,600
peaceful homecoming for parent.
We already see that.

1147
01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:46,800
I mean literally from jump.
What I like, what I like about

1148
01:09:46,840 --> 01:09:52,359
it, about that meeting in the
room being is like, why don't

1149
01:09:52,359 --> 01:09:57,240
y'all just fight him off?
And Aquinas mom is is like with

1150
01:09:57,240 --> 01:10:02,440
what pitchforks like literally
the whole stereotype that we see

1151
01:10:02,440 --> 01:10:06,560
with these types of shows.
When you get the townspeople to

1152
01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:11,480
fight, they have pitchfalls.
So it's like.

1153
01:10:12,360 --> 01:10:16,640
Basically, yeah, but they're not
want maidens of the spear.

1154
01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:20,160
They will find any excuse to.
Fight.

1155
01:10:20,440 --> 01:10:25,920
To fight, they're supposed to
be, you know, ideal and, you

1156
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:33,120
know, nonviolent or whatever.
I don't know who said that

1157
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:38,640
because I haven't seen a non
violent bone in any IL that

1158
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:42,320
we've met so far.
All I've seen, all we always

1159
01:10:42,320 --> 01:10:45,560
seen is violence and.
Well no, because even that

1160
01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:51,400
Vienna when LAN and and and Ran
were were practicing and she's

1161
01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:53,600
like why would he even want to
use a sword?

1162
01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:57,560
Why you can't hunt and catch
food with a sword?

1163
01:10:58,040 --> 01:11:03,880
Yeah, and I mean, but, but I
think that whole thing just ties

1164
01:11:03,880 --> 01:11:07,240
in with the fact that she's
like, he's supposed to be ideal.

1165
01:11:07,480 --> 01:11:10,840
He needs to think more like us.
Oh, and and they don't fight,

1166
01:11:10,840 --> 01:11:13,760
they dance.
So it is nonviolent.

1167
01:11:14,520 --> 01:11:17,240
It's a dance off straight out of
the Guardians of the Galaxy.

1168
01:11:18,240 --> 01:11:20,800
The only, only time I've seen
her nonviolent is when she, when

1169
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:24,880
she was with, I was about to
call her Evelyn again.

1170
01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:27,320
Son of a That's the drinking
game we need to do.

1171
01:11:27,400 --> 01:11:28,840
We need to do a drinking game
every time.

1172
01:11:28,920 --> 01:11:32,560
Every time.
I call Elaine Evelyn this, but

1173
01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:34,160
none of us.
But we wouldn't get through

1174
01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:36,320
because we all be sloshed.
No, we would.

1175
01:11:37,440 --> 01:11:40,040
But that's the only time I've
ever seen seen her reasonably

1176
01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:42,880
tender is with Elaine and.
You're.

1177
01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:46,640
Reasonably tender.
You're assuming that we didn't

1178
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:47,320
see what?
Yeah, yeah.

1179
01:11:47,320 --> 01:11:50,680
We didn't see what really
happened, so.

1180
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:52,760
Yeah, that's true.
We didn't, we didn't, we didn't

1181
01:11:52,760 --> 01:11:56,160
see the but yeah.
But Elaine has surprised me

1182
01:11:56,160 --> 01:11:59,000
before, so I wouldn't be
surprised if it's like, you

1183
01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:03,160
know.
Yeah, I know.

1184
01:12:03,440 --> 01:12:06,400
But since you mentioned Ivy
under, let's go to that part of

1185
01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:10,800
the world because Mike sent a
message and he was like, oh, I'm

1186
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:14,480
sure Anthony is loving this part
of the episode because we're

1187
01:12:14,480 --> 01:12:17,120
walking and we're.
Walking and.

1188
01:12:17,400 --> 01:12:19,960
We're walking.
Well, it it isn't.

1189
01:12:20,200 --> 01:12:25,400
Yes, I, I have issues with
walking in the wilderness and

1190
01:12:25,400 --> 01:12:32,920
time travel, but here it was it
was very little and they were

1191
01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:35,880
kind of in and out You know, we
in got some big position and

1192
01:12:35,880 --> 01:12:38,840
then we were out.
So I'm cool with that and we

1193
01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:40,920
finally.
Had some gorgeous landscaping

1194
01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:45,960
too, so right.
And we finally, finally get land

1195
01:12:45,960 --> 01:12:51,800
teaching Ran how to use a sword.
Finally.

1196
01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:54,320
Finally.
Yeah.

1197
01:12:54,800 --> 01:12:56,840
Finally.
Yeah, 'cause I know you've been

1198
01:12:56,840 --> 01:13:01,000
kind of waiting on that.
I, I, I I was just so happy.

1199
01:13:01,440 --> 01:13:04,400
Yeah.
So yeah, they can do all The

1200
01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:08,920
Walking they want as long as
they stop and train and show me.

1201
01:13:10,360 --> 01:13:11,800
Like a mountainous version of
Doom.

1202
01:13:11,800 --> 01:13:15,520
For a second when they were
walking to I walk into IE, I was

1203
01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:19,200
like, OK, I see desert, that's
the mountains.

1204
01:13:19,400 --> 01:13:22,320
See desert, that's the bushes,
that's the mountains.

1205
01:13:23,120 --> 01:13:25,560
I'm like, this is Doom again,
like.

1206
01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:29,080
Yeah, the locations for The
Walking, because even with

1207
01:13:29,080 --> 01:13:33,400
Perrin and the maidens and
Loyale, they showed them walking

1208
01:13:33,400 --> 01:13:37,800
towards the two rivers and you
see the mountains and all the

1209
01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:41,000
trees.
And of course she had complaints

1210
01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:43,560
about the tree.
She was like, yeah, it's clean

1211
01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:46,560
up here, smells good, but
there's still too much water,

1212
01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:48,840
there's still too many trees,
but I'd like it.

1213
01:13:49,160 --> 01:13:50,560
And then?
You see, that was like Lord the

1214
01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:52,040
Rings though.
That was.

1215
01:13:52,240 --> 01:13:53,880
Like, that was like a Lord of
the Rings walk.

1216
01:13:54,080 --> 01:13:56,880
It's like a Lord of the Rings
walk and a Dune walk in one

1217
01:13:56,880 --> 01:14:03,720
episode.
Yeah, but yeah, I I did enjoy

1218
01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:09,840
seeing Land and Rand, you know?
The important thing about this

1219
01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:18,200
is land pretty much becomes sort
of a father figure to Rand, and

1220
01:14:18,200 --> 01:14:21,760
even when Moraine asked him why
are you training with him, is

1221
01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:25,480
because LAN listens.
The thing I haven't talked about

1222
01:14:25,480 --> 01:14:29,080
is in the book LAN shows no
emotion.

1223
01:14:29,800 --> 01:14:33,800
He's very stoic.
He's very poker face, blank

1224
01:14:33,800 --> 01:14:36,280
face.
As opposed to the way he is on

1225
01:14:36,280 --> 01:14:39,360
the show.
No no no no no.

1226
01:14:40,040 --> 01:14:44,000
On the show you get tender
moments with him, especially him

1227
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:48,320
and naive.
No, in the book he's always

1228
01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:52,720
described as stone faced stoic
land.

1229
01:14:54,920 --> 01:14:59,280
If if people want to go and
listen to a really good panel,

1230
01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:04,880
we did on the IEO at at Dragon
Con, it's on our page.

1231
01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:07,800
It's it's a really good panel
about the IEO.

1232
01:15:08,280 --> 01:15:13,160
And I talk about Land being, you
know, being a father figure

1233
01:15:13,160 --> 01:15:18,240
Duran, but not being the very
good one because he he lacks the

1234
01:15:18,240 --> 01:15:26,000
emotional depth that that Rand
needs at at this time in Rand's

1235
01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:27,760
life.
He needs someone to kind of help

1236
01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:30,240
guide him.
So they've kind of given land

1237
01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:33,240
and I can see they've written
him in a way where he could be

1238
01:15:33,240 --> 01:15:37,000
that for Rand right now.
But the land in the book was not

1239
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:39,760
that.
He had too much trauma that he

1240
01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:43,120
hasn't dealt with himself.
And he wasn't emotionally

1241
01:15:43,120 --> 01:15:46,920
available for Rand, even though
Rand tried.

1242
01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:50,920
He tried to teach Rand, but he
didn't have the capacity to to

1243
01:15:50,920 --> 01:15:53,240
do that for rent.
We're going to give the

1244
01:15:53,240 --> 01:15:55,320
character later.
That is going to be that for

1245
01:15:55,320 --> 01:15:57,560
him.
Hopefully he will be that for

1246
01:15:57,560 --> 01:16:01,400
him.
Land is just not the person.

1247
01:16:01,400 --> 01:16:05,560
But I do like this version of
Land because again, they're

1248
01:16:05,560 --> 01:16:10,040
trying to give these characters
who in the book are OneNote.

1249
01:16:12,120 --> 01:16:15,440
They're trying to give them some
depth and they've given Land a

1250
01:16:15,440 --> 01:16:18,360
little bit of depth.
They've given him enough to be

1251
01:16:18,360 --> 01:16:21,200
able to talk to and and help
Rand out.

1252
01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:25,120
And he's like, yeah, he listens
to me.

1253
01:16:25,160 --> 01:16:27,680
You know, I can talk to him, and
he needs that.

1254
01:16:28,640 --> 01:16:32,760
Yeah.
But on the flip side of all of

1255
01:16:32,760 --> 01:16:37,840
that, you have the women,
Moraine, Iguayne and Avienda,

1256
01:16:38,520 --> 01:16:42,600
who are, I don't want to
necessarily say they're at odds,

1257
01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:45,800
but like you said, Avienda is
already, she's already just

1258
01:16:45,800 --> 01:16:49,120
irritated with the whole thing.
And, you know, she has a

1259
01:16:49,120 --> 01:16:52,040
conversation with Moraine,
Annie, Gwen, when she talks

1260
01:16:52,040 --> 01:16:56,160
about their prophecy.
And she was like, look, I have

1261
01:16:56,160 --> 01:16:58,400
to do this because this is what
my mission is.

1262
01:16:58,840 --> 01:17:04,000
And nobody said I had to like
it, which, OK, Yeah, that that

1263
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:08,200
kind of makes sense, especially
if you listen to what she says

1264
01:17:08,200 --> 01:17:11,520
about the prophecies.
Because Moraine and Egwane are

1265
01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:14,920
having the conversation.
They're actually having a

1266
01:17:14,920 --> 01:17:18,800
separate conversation because
Moraine notices the bruises on

1267
01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:22,240
Egwane's neck, and she's
thinking that these are bruises.

1268
01:17:22,560 --> 01:17:25,480
You know, she was like, you
know, the bruises from this

1269
01:17:25,560 --> 01:17:27,800
forsaken attack, I've already
healed them.

1270
01:17:28,120 --> 01:17:32,920
But here they are again, fresh.
And she asked Wayne if Rand is

1271
01:17:32,920 --> 01:17:34,400
doing it.
I was like, hold up.

1272
01:17:36,200 --> 01:17:42,240
I understand Moraine thinking
that, OK, if Rand is channeling,

1273
01:17:42,240 --> 01:17:46,040
he's becoming more dangerous
and, you know, he could possibly

1274
01:17:46,040 --> 01:17:49,200
be losing control and that's why
that was there.

1275
01:17:50,360 --> 01:17:56,360
But on the other hand, for her
to think that a Dwayne who just

1276
01:17:56,360 --> 01:18:01,400
got out of a very abusive quote,
UN quote relationship, for lack

1277
01:18:01,400 --> 01:18:05,200
of better words, with what she
went through with the Sean Chan

1278
01:18:05,200 --> 01:18:08,720
to think that it Gwen would just
sit there and let Rand of all

1279
01:18:08,720 --> 01:18:14,920
people hurt her and bruise her
and and just be quiet about I I

1280
01:18:14,920 --> 01:18:18,360
don't see that happening at all.
But yeah.

1281
01:18:18,400 --> 01:18:21,400
But she's not going to tell
Maureen that if he was doing it

1282
01:18:21,480 --> 01:18:23,920
because she knows how Maureen
will react.

1283
01:18:24,600 --> 01:18:29,040
Yeah, I get that.
But, you know, I think if that

1284
01:18:29,040 --> 01:18:31,800
was the case, that she would do
a better job of trying to hide

1285
01:18:32,320 --> 01:18:34,560
whatever, you know, bruises she
has.

1286
01:18:35,200 --> 01:18:38,400
But anyway, so while they're
having that conversation,

1287
01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:42,240
Abienda comes over with their
dinner and that's when she makes

1288
01:18:42,240 --> 01:18:44,080
the comment, Why are they
training with swords?

1289
01:18:44,080 --> 01:18:47,440
Why is he using the sword?
You know, he needs to be using

1290
01:18:47,440 --> 01:18:48,840
the spear, blah, blah, blah,
blah, blah.

1291
01:18:49,400 --> 01:18:57,000
And she starts talking about the
prophecy because E Gwen is just

1292
01:18:57,000 --> 01:19:00,040
kind of telling her look kind of
layoff him.

1293
01:19:00,040 --> 01:19:04,520
He's trying and IBM says to her,
you, you wouldn't understand,

1294
01:19:04,520 --> 01:19:07,800
you wetlanders, your prophecies
are so clean.

1295
01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:12,480
You know the dragon will either
fix the world, fix the wheel or

1296
01:19:12,480 --> 01:19:15,440
break it.
And Moraine is like IEO,

1297
01:19:15,440 --> 01:19:19,400
prophecies aren't the same.
And so she tells them what the

1298
01:19:19,400 --> 01:19:21,680
prophecy is.
It says the car conscious spill

1299
01:19:21,680 --> 01:19:26,400
out the blood of those who call
themselves IEO as water on sand

1300
01:19:27,040 --> 01:19:31,280
and break them as dry twigs.
Yet the remnant of a remnant,

1301
01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:34,400
the Karakan shall save and they
shall live.

1302
01:19:34,400 --> 01:19:39,960
And she said the Karakan is
creation and destruction wrapped

1303
01:19:39,960 --> 01:19:42,960
in one is balanced.
And I was sitting there

1304
01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:47,120
listening and I was like, that
is so much more not only poetic,

1305
01:19:47,120 --> 01:19:50,200
but that is so much more
detailed than the dragon show.

1306
01:19:50,440 --> 01:19:51,960
Fix the wheel or break the
wheel.

1307
01:19:52,320 --> 01:19:56,360
Like she's literally telling
them that the prophecy that we

1308
01:19:56,360 --> 01:20:00,880
have about the Karakan, he is
basically going to go to his

1309
01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:05,720
people, he's going to hurt those
people and then at the same time

1310
01:20:06,360 --> 01:20:09,680
save those people.
It's like a double edged sword.

1311
01:20:09,920 --> 01:20:14,360
Well, hurt.
Hurt is a very strong word.

1312
01:20:16,240 --> 01:20:22,320
Break them as dried twigs.
Yes, and it doesn't say hurt.

1313
01:20:23,720 --> 01:20:26,280
Break.
There's there's gonna be pain

1314
01:20:26,280 --> 01:20:29,000
involved, but not the kind of
pain you're thinking.

1315
01:20:29,880 --> 01:20:34,000
OK.
This just sounds like a bad R&B

1316
01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:36,360
song.
It's like, I hate you but I love

1317
01:20:36,360 --> 01:20:39,640
you gonna break me down but
build me up 'cause I was

1318
01:20:39,640 --> 01:20:43,480
listening to that and I was just
like, here we go.

1319
01:20:43,800 --> 01:20:48,400
Enigmas wrapped in mystery
topped with centrifuge.

1320
01:20:48,960 --> 01:20:52,560
Subterfuge.
Did you say?

1321
01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:55,440
I said I did.
God damn it, I said it.

1322
01:20:55,800 --> 01:20:57,240
I knew it's a man.
I knew it's a man.

1323
01:20:57,920 --> 01:21:01,640
I'm just like, OK, see, this is
one things, one things in

1324
01:21:01,640 --> 01:21:05,520
fantasy that that gets me.
It doesn't irritate me.

1325
01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:07,520
It just makes me laugh.
It's like when they give

1326
01:21:07,520 --> 01:21:12,000
prophecies and they try to be
all mysterious and like and and

1327
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:15,480
like this is this is what it is.
And they try, they try to be

1328
01:21:15,480 --> 01:21:17,920
poetic about it.
Just they're just saying what's

1329
01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:19,040
going to happen?
You're going to die.

1330
01:21:19,160 --> 01:21:21,960
OK, cool.
It's like you, you will soon be

1331
01:21:21,960 --> 01:21:24,120
reunited with your ancestors.
Like God damn.

1332
01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:28,680
What?
You know prophecies are never in

1333
01:21:28,680 --> 01:21:30,360
fantasy.
You guys know this.

1334
01:21:30,360 --> 01:21:34,040
They never actually mean what
they say.

1335
01:21:34,160 --> 01:21:36,800
Yeah.
And they can be interpreted all

1336
01:21:36,800 --> 01:21:39,880
kinds of ways.
Yeah.

1337
01:21:41,040 --> 01:21:44,240
Lord of Mercy, what is this is
the King James.

1338
01:21:44,280 --> 01:21:45,920
They are.
They are the King James Version

1339
01:21:45,920 --> 01:21:49,320
of of prophecies and stuff.
And the new international

1340
01:21:49,320 --> 01:21:51,240
version.
The new the new new

1341
01:21:51,240 --> 01:21:55,600
international kids version.
The, the, the cool thing that

1342
01:21:55,600 --> 01:22:00,040
that Jordan, that Robert Jordan
did was he never wrote out the

1343
01:22:00,040 --> 01:22:02,600
whole prophecies in the books
anywhere.

1344
01:22:02,600 --> 01:22:06,160
He gave you bits and pieces,
which kind of helped drive the

1345
01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:08,320
narrative.
Because you don't, you don't get

1346
01:22:08,320 --> 01:22:12,040
the whole thing.
And everybody has a different

1347
01:22:12,040 --> 01:22:18,960
prophecy about the dragon.
You'll have a car Khan, and also

1348
01:22:18,960 --> 01:22:23,720
he who comes with the dawn.
Then you have some other ones we

1349
01:22:23,720 --> 01:22:29,160
haven't met yet, but Sean Chan
have one where it's called the

1350
01:22:29,760 --> 01:22:35,760
Cynic Cycle I think it's called
where he's basically he has to

1351
01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:37,960
bend the knee to the crystal
throne.

1352
01:22:39,680 --> 01:22:43,200
Which is is a weird thing
because their proxy basically

1353
01:22:43,200 --> 01:22:46,160
says they they want to do what
the isodide want to do.

1354
01:22:46,160 --> 01:22:49,400
They want to bind him and make
him be a weapon or.

1355
01:22:49,560 --> 01:22:52,240
Well, they're all dead now, so
it doesn't really matter.

1356
01:22:52,400 --> 01:22:54,520
Right.
What makes you think that Sean

1357
01:22:54,520 --> 01:22:55,480
Chan are all dead?
Well, I.

1358
01:22:56,040 --> 01:22:57,640
Mean.
Remember, they were just that

1359
01:22:57,640 --> 01:22:58,880
was.
Remember, they were just

1360
01:22:59,400 --> 01:23:01,600
supposed to come and prepare for
the return.

1361
01:23:02,960 --> 01:23:04,640
I like to think that they're all
dead.

1362
01:23:05,560 --> 01:23:10,440
No, they specifically said we're
here to prepare the West for the

1363
01:23:10,440 --> 01:23:12,600
return.
They were to.

1364
01:23:12,600 --> 01:23:14,320
Say advanced force.
OK.

1365
01:23:14,320 --> 01:23:19,240
But well, I OK, because I was
going to say, weren't they all

1366
01:23:19,240 --> 01:23:22,360
in fall?
What do you mean?

1367
01:23:22,720 --> 01:23:27,000
The advanced force was.
But remember, they were supposed

1368
01:23:27,000 --> 01:23:29,760
to be preparing the West for the
return.

1369
01:23:30,320 --> 01:23:34,120
The return of who?
The rest of the Sean Chan.

1370
01:23:34,640 --> 01:23:38,960
Oh, I was thinking, oh, OK, I
guess I need to go back and look

1371
01:23:38,960 --> 01:23:40,720
at that.
I, I, I'm sorry, dude.

1372
01:23:40,720 --> 01:23:43,280
I thought maybe, yeah, maybe
they didn't make it clear.

1373
01:23:44,360 --> 01:23:48,000
Yeah, 'cause they talk.
About the Empress had to, you

1374
01:23:48,040 --> 01:23:49,760
know, they talked about all that
stuff.

1375
01:23:49,760 --> 01:23:52,760
So there's the entire.
Sean Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1376
01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:54,080
you're right.
They there's.

1377
01:23:54,080 --> 01:24:00,200
The entire Sean Chan empire.
So, OK, that's that's a question

1378
01:24:00,200 --> 01:24:03,200
for another day because as of
right now we are done with the

1379
01:24:03,200 --> 01:24:04,400
Sean Chan.
I don't want to go back.

1380
01:24:05,640 --> 01:24:08,080
So they, in other words, they
have their own prophecy too.

1381
01:24:08,240 --> 01:24:09,600
Everybody has a prophecy back
here.

1382
01:24:09,600 --> 01:24:15,760
It was all over the place.
OK, OK, but OK so continuing on

1383
01:24:15,760 --> 01:24:19,840
this, this conversation and this
beat with Brandon Gwain, we got

1384
01:24:19,840 --> 01:24:27,840
to talk about these dreams
because I know that Gwain was

1385
01:24:27,840 --> 01:24:30,440
terrorized by Rena and all of
that.

1386
01:24:30,680 --> 01:24:35,680
Y'all did not have to show her
spitting blood and it Wayne's

1387
01:24:35,680 --> 01:24:38,200
mouth.
I did not need to see that ever

1388
01:24:38,920 --> 01:24:44,280
on screen ever.
That was just gross.

1389
01:24:45,320 --> 01:24:48,120
But that whole.
Thing, that whole thing for me,

1390
01:24:48,120 --> 01:24:52,160
it's like I'm about, I'm about
sick of of what's her name?

1391
01:24:52,840 --> 01:24:54,840
Yeah.
I'm about sick of her.

1392
01:24:55,200 --> 01:24:58,880
Like, I mean, she, she's over
here flirting with like, oh your

1393
01:24:58,880 --> 01:25:01,280
cow.
I'm like bitch.

1394
01:25:02,400 --> 01:25:05,040
Listen.
Hold the fuck up when?

1395
01:25:05,160 --> 01:25:10,080
She said that I was like, Rand,
if you don't leave just.

1396
01:25:11,320 --> 01:25:13,680
If you don't, wake your ass up
right the fuck now.

1397
01:25:13,680 --> 01:25:18,080
How you going to call her a cow?
She ain't even there's nothing

1398
01:25:18,080 --> 01:25:22,160
cow like about her.
Like not a damn thing is the cow

1399
01:25:22,160 --> 01:25:26,160
like about her And then.
She's just mad because Rand

1400
01:25:26,160 --> 01:25:28,840
loves E Wayne.
That's that's all it is.

1401
01:25:29,880 --> 01:25:32,160
And then at the same time you're
over there torturing the poor

1402
01:25:32,160 --> 01:25:34,560
girl, like taking her through
trauma again.

1403
01:25:35,120 --> 01:25:38,280
Wait, was that I'm 'cause I had
to been her right?

1404
01:25:38,640 --> 01:25:43,040
Yeah, they they showed her
towards the end, but I kind of

1405
01:25:43,040 --> 01:25:47,200
wondered that even with the last
episode when we were seeing

1406
01:25:47,200 --> 01:25:51,200
Dwayne's dreams and she was
talking about Rena torturing her

1407
01:25:51,200 --> 01:25:54,040
and her dream, she was like
every night I dream about her.

1408
01:25:54,400 --> 01:25:57,920
I was wondering if that was
maybe Lanthier doing that

1409
01:25:58,280 --> 01:26:02,720
because of the fact that Ram was
with her and you know, like I

1410
01:26:02,720 --> 01:26:08,560
said, landfill is jealous and I
I just always felt I was like,

1411
01:26:08,560 --> 01:26:15,720
that's yeah, because it's like
there's the trauma there, but

1412
01:26:15,720 --> 01:26:20,040
also the fact that E Gwen was
able to escape from what Randall

1413
01:26:20,040 --> 01:26:24,560
was doing to her and kill her.
You would think that something

1414
01:26:24,560 --> 01:26:30,520
in that kind of, I don't want to
say calms her fears, but you

1415
01:26:30,520 --> 01:26:33,000
would think that she would be
able to remember that maybe in

1416
01:26:33,000 --> 01:26:35,760
her dreams be like, OK, I'm not
going to let you ruin my dreams,

1417
01:26:35,760 --> 01:26:40,560
which is kind of what we, you
know, at least me.

1418
01:26:40,560 --> 01:26:44,040
I would think that's what Dwayne
would do, you know, because you.

1419
01:26:44,040 --> 01:26:47,760
Would think but you also got
land fear who's forsaken and

1420
01:26:47,760 --> 01:26:50,480
they've made them OP in the
dream world.

1421
01:26:50,480 --> 01:26:52,640
Yeah, and that's the yeah,
that's what I'm saying.

1422
01:26:52,640 --> 01:26:56,880
Because before we knew in this
episode that land fear was the

1423
01:26:56,880 --> 01:26:59,840
one driving those dreams.
You know, we're just thinking,

1424
01:26:59,840 --> 01:27:02,280
OK, it Wayne's just not letting
go of the trauma.

1425
01:27:02,280 --> 01:27:05,560
But yeah, land fear in this
dream and the fact that she's

1426
01:27:05,560 --> 01:27:09,280
doing this simultaneously while
Rand and a Gwen are sleeping

1427
01:27:09,280 --> 01:27:12,920
right next to each other.
You're seducing one in one dream

1428
01:27:12,920 --> 01:27:15,440
and you're terrorizing the other
in the other dream.

1429
01:27:15,760 --> 01:27:17,000
It's like, I just want this
bitch.

1430
01:27:17,440 --> 01:27:20,000
OK, so this is going to be a
problem.

1431
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:22,600
It's going to be a problem
because it's power creep.

1432
01:27:23,680 --> 01:27:27,480
And if I think I've talked about
power creep on another show that

1433
01:27:27,480 --> 01:27:31,400
we talked about where when you
establish something at a certain

1434
01:27:31,400 --> 01:27:36,720
level, that means for anyone to
defeat someone at that level,

1435
01:27:36,720 --> 01:27:38,040
they're going to have to be up
here.

1436
01:27:38,040 --> 01:27:39,840
They're going to be have to be
higher.

1437
01:27:40,400 --> 01:27:43,760
So you've established that the
Forsaken are very powerful in

1438
01:27:43,760 --> 01:27:47,080
the dream world.
So in order for Rand and his

1439
01:27:47,080 --> 01:27:51,240
team to have anything, any way
to beat them, they're going to

1440
01:27:51,240 --> 01:27:54,000
have to be even more powerful.
Yeah, than them.

1441
01:27:54,160 --> 01:27:56,320
And yeah, no, you talked about
it with this one because you

1442
01:27:56,320 --> 01:28:00,000
were talking about naive Annie
Gwaine and that eventually they

1443
01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:03,960
become powerful enough to fight
the Forsaken, at least in the

1444
01:28:04,040 --> 01:28:07,120
books, So.
Yeah, well, they, they currently

1445
01:28:07,440 --> 01:28:10,320
the three of them are powerful
enough, they're just not trained

1446
01:28:10,320 --> 01:28:14,080
yet.
But specifically the dream

1447
01:28:14,080 --> 01:28:16,280
world.
Though in the books, the

1448
01:28:16,280 --> 01:28:18,600
Forsaken were not this powerful
in the dream world.

1449
01:28:18,600 --> 01:28:21,160
They cannot do all this drink in
the dream world.

1450
01:28:21,160 --> 01:28:23,080
They were just like anyone else
in the dream world.

1451
01:28:23,200 --> 01:28:26,640
But isn't that kind of lamphere
specialty as the dream world?

1452
01:28:27,080 --> 01:28:33,320
It is, but I'm I'm trying not to
give too much away.

1453
01:28:33,680 --> 01:28:36,520
OK, there.
There's some that are a little

1454
01:28:36,520 --> 01:28:41,000
bit more adept, but what she's
doing here in two different

1455
01:28:41,000 --> 01:28:44,160
dreams, doing two different
things at the.

1456
01:28:44,160 --> 01:28:44,840
Same.
Oh, OK.

1457
01:28:44,920 --> 01:28:46,560
I see what you're saying.
I see what you're saying.

1458
01:28:47,120 --> 01:28:50,680
OK, that is a no.
OK, because that does take a lot

1459
01:28:50,680 --> 01:28:53,400
of concentration and it takes a
lot of power.

1460
01:28:53,560 --> 01:28:56,200
Right.
And also what she did with the

1461
01:28:56,200 --> 01:28:59,800
bubble of evil when she in the
last episode, the first episode,

1462
01:29:00,160 --> 01:29:04,400
that too was also not something
that they should be able to do

1463
01:29:05,160 --> 01:29:08,880
at that level.
Yeah, of course, one-on-one and

1464
01:29:08,880 --> 01:29:12,120
telling around Riyadh, yes, she
probably has a slight advantage

1465
01:29:12,120 --> 01:29:17,400
over someone who's not
experienced, but the way she's

1466
01:29:17,400 --> 01:29:18,840
doing it here, Nah.
OK.

1467
01:29:19,960 --> 01:29:25,040
So, so in order for our friends
to be able to fight her at the

1468
01:29:25,040 --> 01:29:28,520
level that they're demonstrating
how strong she is, they're going

1469
01:29:28,520 --> 01:29:31,840
to have to be even stronger in
the dream world.

1470
01:29:32,160 --> 01:29:34,920
OK, OK, so that leads to my
question.

1471
01:29:35,200 --> 01:29:39,600
Because once we realize that it
is Landfair in the dream

1472
01:29:39,880 --> 01:29:45,760
torturing Eguane and, and you
know, the, the, the screen goes

1473
01:29:45,760 --> 01:29:48,320
kind of back and forth between
Eguane and Rand and what

1474
01:29:48,800 --> 01:29:52,520
Landfair is doing to both of
them as Rena when she gets on

1475
01:29:52,520 --> 01:29:55,600
top of E Gwen that last time and
she tries to choke her out,

1476
01:29:55,600 --> 01:29:57,480
she's literally trying to kill
her.

1477
01:29:57,920 --> 01:30:03,280
And then E Gwen kind of
disappears and she ends up in

1478
01:30:03,600 --> 01:30:06,720
I'm guessing that's the I ill
waste because she says it's an I

1479
01:30:06,720 --> 01:30:10,040
ill woman that comes to her and
that I I'll woman looks at her

1480
01:30:10,040 --> 01:30:15,080
and says you shouldn't be here.
And then she wakes up.

1481
01:30:16,600 --> 01:30:22,320
So are there different levels to
tell around Riyadh or is it just

1482
01:30:22,320 --> 01:30:27,120
that she maybe got herself out
of that situation that she was

1483
01:30:27,120 --> 01:30:29,360
dreaming of and put herself into
another part?

1484
01:30:30,640 --> 01:30:33,280
I mean, I don't, I don't know if
I'm explaining my question.

1485
01:30:33,640 --> 01:30:36,480
I I think I understand what
you're asking there.

1486
01:30:37,560 --> 01:30:40,160
Technically, there are no levels
to tell around Riyadh.

1487
01:30:40,480 --> 01:30:43,800
OK, Telling around Riyadh is a.
Dreamscape.

1488
01:30:44,040 --> 01:30:48,000
It's a dream world, OK, but
that's separate from your own

1489
01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:52,200
dreams.
Oh, OK.

1490
01:30:52,880 --> 01:30:57,840
OK, think of Total around Riyadh
as as the mall and then your

1491
01:30:57,840 --> 01:31:01,520
dream as your house.
OK, everybody can go to the mall

1492
01:31:01,520 --> 01:31:04,760
if they have the ability to, but
not everybody can come to your

1493
01:31:04,760 --> 01:31:06,600
house.
OK.

1494
01:31:07,440 --> 01:31:08,400
Yes.
So she's homework.

1495
01:31:09,880 --> 01:31:16,080
Exactly.
In more ways than one, yes.

1496
01:31:16,720 --> 01:31:19,000
Gotcha.
Did you just call her a home

1497
01:31:19,000 --> 01:31:20,240
wrecker?
I did, yes.

1498
01:31:20,960 --> 01:31:22,840
He did.
He is not wrong.

1499
01:31:24,560 --> 01:31:28,200
No, he, he definitely isn't
'cause I, I, I can see this is

1500
01:31:28,200 --> 01:31:34,640
going to be a problem because
one, it's obvious Rand is not

1501
01:31:34,640 --> 01:31:38,200
sharing this part of the dream
with Iguane because I don't even

1502
01:31:38,200 --> 01:31:41,320
think he's told Iguane that
there was somebody else while he

1503
01:31:41,320 --> 01:31:43,600
was gone.
Of.

1504
01:31:43,720 --> 01:31:47,160
Course not, no.
No, this reminds me of this

1505
01:31:47,160 --> 01:31:50,920
reminds me of X-Men 97 wins.
Yes it does.

1506
01:31:51,280 --> 01:31:56,000
And then Pryor and I was like
this motherfucker, he almost, he

1507
01:31:56,000 --> 01:31:58,480
almost kissed her.
Like when she was like all his

1508
01:31:58,480 --> 01:32:00,200
neck, he almost leaned in to
kiss her.

1509
01:32:00,400 --> 01:32:02,720
And I was like, motherfucker,
no, no.

1510
01:32:03,440 --> 01:32:06,680
First of all, we we don't know
what Cyclops is doing with her

1511
01:32:06,680 --> 01:32:08,920
before that point.
True.

1512
01:32:09,480 --> 01:32:11,600
True.
They they need to get Ransom

1513
01:32:11,600 --> 01:32:14,000
coffee so we can stay awake.
So he ain't, he can't go over

1514
01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:17,240
there and be tempted and shit.
Yeah, he got Freddy Krueger off

1515
01:32:17,240 --> 01:32:21,120
his dreams.
Yeah, she.

1516
01:32:21,440 --> 01:32:24,760
Yeah, but she's not being Freddy
Krueger in his dream.

1517
01:32:24,760 --> 01:32:27,800
She's being Freddy Krueger in
his girlfriend's dreams, which

1518
01:32:27,800 --> 01:32:31,360
is even worse.
Like, talk about your stalkerish

1519
01:32:31,440 --> 01:32:36,240
ex not being able to let go.
That is the worst of the worst.

1520
01:32:36,800 --> 01:32:38,800
And you know, this isn't the
first time that she's that.

1521
01:32:38,800 --> 01:32:41,240
She's been doing this over and
over and over again.

1522
01:32:41,600 --> 01:32:46,160
So if she's visiting Egg Wayne
that many times, you know she's

1523
01:32:46,160 --> 01:32:47,840
visiting Rand that many times
too.

1524
01:32:47,840 --> 01:32:51,160
And I guess at some point Rand
can only hold her off for so

1525
01:32:51,160 --> 01:32:57,640
long because he did love her
before he found out what she

1526
01:32:57,640 --> 01:33:01,120
was.
And so it's kind of like his

1527
01:33:01,120 --> 01:33:04,080
mind can be thinking one thing.
Oh, this is land fear.

1528
01:33:04,280 --> 01:33:08,680
She's a forsaken.
Because notice she kind of, you

1529
01:33:08,680 --> 01:33:12,400
know, she was doing the whole
little seduction thing up until

1530
01:33:12,400 --> 01:33:15,880
he called her by her name.
When he said land fear, she kind

1531
01:33:15,880 --> 01:33:18,720
of stopped because she doesn't
like it when he calls her land

1532
01:33:18,720 --> 01:33:20,760
fear.
She wants, she wants him to look

1533
01:33:20,760 --> 01:33:23,480
at her as Celine, you know,
like, oh.

1534
01:33:23,520 --> 01:33:26,720
Yeah, no, she she really wants
him to look at her as Mirren.

1535
01:33:28,200 --> 01:33:31,640
As who?
Her because she had a

1536
01:33:31,640 --> 01:33:37,320
relationship the problem with
Rand is he is Lou Theron reborn

1537
01:33:38,240 --> 01:33:39,840
and they had a relationship yeah
I.

1538
01:33:40,520 --> 01:33:44,640
I and I get that I.
Think part of him, part of him

1539
01:33:45,760 --> 01:33:52,400
does love her and that that's
and he since he isn't, since he

1540
01:33:52,400 --> 01:33:55,240
doesn't really have the
information that he needs to

1541
01:33:55,240 --> 01:33:59,680
have, he may not understand what
those feelings really are.

1542
01:34:01,000 --> 01:34:03,400
Does that make sense?
Yeah, it does, but.

1543
01:34:03,440 --> 01:34:07,080
That that they were in love in
the previous life and had a

1544
01:34:07,080 --> 01:34:08,560
relationship in the previous
life.

1545
01:34:08,800 --> 01:34:11,160
But he doesn't quite understand
how that works.

1546
01:34:11,280 --> 01:34:12,840
But I don't think that's the
feelings he.

1547
01:34:12,840 --> 01:34:15,000
Felt for her.
I don't think that's what this

1548
01:34:15,000 --> 01:34:19,960
is because he, he built up a
relationship with Celine as Rand

1549
01:34:20,480 --> 01:34:23,000
for two months.
So I don't I don't think that

1550
01:34:23,000 --> 01:34:25,680
that crosses or that plays into
a fact.

1551
01:34:25,680 --> 01:34:31,280
I think that individually Rand
has feelings for Celine and

1552
01:34:31,920 --> 01:34:36,160
Lanfair has feelings for him as
Rand and not just Lou's Theron.

1553
01:34:36,160 --> 01:34:39,640
Yes, I think for her there was a
part of her that still sees

1554
01:34:39,640 --> 01:34:43,960
Lou's Theron, but I think also
she has genuine feelings for

1555
01:34:43,960 --> 01:34:47,320
Rand as Rand.
I'm going to.

1556
01:34:47,320 --> 01:34:55,480
I'm going to disagree with you
because she she doesn't make a

1557
01:34:55,480 --> 01:34:59,200
distinction between him as Rand
and him as loose Taran.

1558
01:35:00,160 --> 01:35:06,720
To her he is loose Taran.
So she whether she is Celine,

1559
01:35:06,960 --> 01:35:11,240
Lanfir and Marin, when she looks
at him, she sees loose Taran.

1560
01:35:11,960 --> 01:35:13,880
And that's who we're going to
have.

1561
01:35:13,880 --> 01:35:18,320
To and that's who she that's who
she loves you about 3000 years

1562
01:35:18,720 --> 01:35:23,000
of waiting for him to come back.
And and I get that, but again, I

1563
01:35:23,000 --> 01:35:25,720
don't think that's what this is.
That that is what that is.

1564
01:35:25,720 --> 01:35:28,720
She, she could care.
That's why she how's it going in

1565
01:35:28,720 --> 01:35:32,440
the couch?
She could care less about Rand

1566
01:35:32,800 --> 01:35:34,640
is loose Theron that she's in
love with.

1567
01:35:34,640 --> 01:35:37,600
And that's who he is as far as
she's concerned right here.

1568
01:35:37,600 --> 01:35:39,920
She's she's called him loose
Theron.

1569
01:35:41,200 --> 01:35:43,160
She's she's called him loose,
Theron.

1570
01:35:43,160 --> 01:35:48,600
She has called him that before,
yes, but she has not since even

1571
01:35:48,600 --> 01:35:53,000
before fall she is.
She is only referred to him as

1572
01:35:53,000 --> 01:35:57,160
Rand and also I, I let her.
Mind that is lose.

1573
01:35:57,600 --> 01:36:00,960
Theron No, because here's the
thing, if she's looking at him

1574
01:36:00,960 --> 01:36:05,240
as only lose Theron, it Gwen
would not be a threat to her

1575
01:36:05,240 --> 01:36:06,960
because Lose doesn't care about
it.

1576
01:36:06,960 --> 01:36:11,640
Gwen, she is looking at Rand as
Rand.

1577
01:36:14,760 --> 01:36:16,520
It's it's.
I want the listener.

1578
01:36:16,600 --> 01:36:20,160
I want the listener to time in.
Tell us what you think.

1579
01:36:20,160 --> 01:36:25,800
It's complicated because she,
Wayne, is a stand in for the

1580
01:36:25,800 --> 01:36:30,280
person that lose there and lift
her for in the first place.

1581
01:36:30,960 --> 01:36:34,320
But see, here's the thing.
So she's taking out all of that,

1582
01:36:34,800 --> 01:36:38,800
all of that anger she has
against Elena, she's taking it

1583
01:36:38,800 --> 01:36:41,240
out on Gwen.
But here's the thing.

1584
01:36:41,240 --> 01:36:47,400
Because Gwen represents the same
thing that Elena Elena Elena

1585
01:36:47,400 --> 01:36:50,600
represented for Lou Theron.
But here's the thing.

1586
01:36:50,800 --> 01:36:54,480
That's a book thing.
We have not even heard about Lou

1587
01:36:54,520 --> 01:36:58,680
Theron's wife in this show that
hasn't been mentioned, so it

1588
01:36:58,680 --> 01:37:03,360
won't It wouldn't factor into
the feelings and the the

1589
01:37:03,360 --> 01:37:07,240
emotions having to do with the
show character because as far as

1590
01:37:07,240 --> 01:37:09,200
we know, Louis Theron was never
married.

1591
01:37:09,200 --> 01:37:11,360
We've never heard any mention
about his wife.

1592
01:37:11,400 --> 01:37:13,400
We're.
We're all, we're all getting set

1593
01:37:13,440 --> 01:37:17,400
up for all of this.
They they're setting y'all up

1594
01:37:17,400 --> 01:37:20,120
for all of this.
Yeah, but but but that doesn't

1595
01:37:20,120 --> 01:37:23,800
mean that that's what it is now
as of right now.

1596
01:37:24,200 --> 01:37:29,360
As of right now, we can only go
by as far as the show viewers

1597
01:37:29,360 --> 01:37:32,080
go.
We can only go by what we have

1598
01:37:32,080 --> 01:37:35,800
seen on the screen and I'm.
As of right now, Gwain is

1599
01:37:35,800 --> 01:37:38,000
standing between her and Lou's
Theron.

1600
01:37:38,040 --> 01:37:41,280
That's why Gwain is a target.
So you are right about between.

1601
01:37:41,680 --> 01:37:45,800
Her and Rand al.
About Rand al Thor, the

1602
01:37:45,800 --> 01:37:47,800
Shepherd.
She only cares about the Dragon

1603
01:37:47,800 --> 01:37:50,880
Reborn Lou's.
Like stop fighting, stop

1604
01:37:51,400 --> 01:37:55,760
fighting you guys like.
This is going to be a because we

1605
01:37:55,760 --> 01:37:57,440
there's stuff we still haven't
gotten to yet.

1606
01:37:57,640 --> 01:37:59,640
Yeah.
We'll, we'll look, we'll step

1607
01:37:59,640 --> 01:38:02,440
away from from that part.
Of the we'll put a pin in it.

1608
01:38:02,680 --> 01:38:06,040
We'll put a pin in it for for
later episodes, but I do want

1609
01:38:06,040 --> 01:38:09,280
the listeners to chime in, like,
what do you think?

1610
01:38:09,280 --> 01:38:13,080
Do you think that this is just a
loose fearing thing?

1611
01:38:13,080 --> 01:38:16,680
Or do you think that Landfair
genuinely has feelings for

1612
01:38:16,680 --> 01:38:21,880
Randall Thor as Randall Thor and
not as the Dragon Reborn?

1613
01:38:21,880 --> 01:38:28,720
Not as a reincarnation of.
Even some of you was like lose

1614
01:38:28,720 --> 01:38:32,920
their he's didn't care.
Rand means nothing to him.

1615
01:38:32,920 --> 01:38:35,680
He.
He's yes, but that's different.

1616
01:38:35,920 --> 01:38:38,960
He was not romantically involved
with Rand.

1617
01:38:38,960 --> 01:38:42,280
He hadn't spent too.
Much that was his best friend,

1618
01:38:42,280 --> 01:38:45,440
that and he laid in bed with
him, stroking his face.

1619
01:38:45,440 --> 01:38:49,280
So yes, I mean.
He didn't.

1620
01:38:49,280 --> 01:38:51,200
Spend 2.
He didn't spend two months

1621
01:38:51,200 --> 01:38:55,320
cozying up to him, sleeping with
him, having rough sex with him.

1622
01:38:55,320 --> 01:38:58,240
He that that it just.
I'm just saying.

1623
01:38:58,920 --> 01:39:03,640
As far as you as far as we know.
I mean.

1624
01:39:06,320 --> 01:39:08,560
Mike is like we're both right,
let's move on.

1625
01:39:08,560 --> 01:39:10,840
So.
No, I'm, no, I'm, I'm just

1626
01:39:10,840 --> 01:39:14,080
saying like that dream, that
dream thing is where he was in

1627
01:39:14,080 --> 01:39:15,720
bed with Rand and stroke in his
face.

1628
01:39:15,720 --> 01:39:22,320
I'm like, I mean, I don't know.
I'm not.

1629
01:39:22,320 --> 01:39:25,880
I'm not saying he he wanted to,
but I'm not saying he didn't

1630
01:39:25,880 --> 01:39:31,600
either.
OK, but moving, moving forward,

1631
01:39:31,960 --> 01:39:35,600
moving forward.
They finally do make it to the

1632
01:39:35,600 --> 01:39:41,640
IEO waste and they have a
hostile welcome party from some

1633
01:39:41,640 --> 01:39:45,600
of the IEO.
And the woman who shows up in

1634
01:39:45,960 --> 01:39:50,240
East Wayne's dream is one of the
ones that comes up.

1635
01:39:51,320 --> 01:39:55,360
And there's a guy, I'm sure he's
probably some kind of leader

1636
01:39:55,360 --> 01:39:58,120
because just the way he even
came on screen, the way he

1637
01:39:58,120 --> 01:40:00,080
carries himself, he seems like a
leader.

1638
01:40:00,600 --> 01:40:03,480
And he asked the woman he was
like, is this him?

1639
01:40:04,160 --> 01:40:08,320
And then she gives what I am
assuming is another part of the

1640
01:40:08,320 --> 01:40:10,840
prophecy.
And Anthony, do you still have

1641
01:40:10,840 --> 01:40:12,720
that up on your computer?
What she?

1642
01:40:12,840 --> 01:40:18,840
Said she said he will come from
the West, beyond the spine of

1643
01:40:18,840 --> 01:40:22,560
the world of the blood, but not
raised by the blood.

1644
01:40:23,000 --> 01:40:25,880
He will tie us together with
bonds we cannot break.

1645
01:40:26,480 --> 01:40:29,840
He will take us back home and He
will destroy us.

1646
01:40:31,200 --> 01:40:34,480
Yeah, that's not worrisome at
all.

1647
01:40:36,480 --> 01:40:40,320
Like there's some of that that I
can I can understand based on

1648
01:40:40,320 --> 01:40:43,240
what we've already seen.
Like obviously he is of the

1649
01:40:43,240 --> 01:40:45,200
blood, but not raised by the
blood.

1650
01:40:45,720 --> 01:40:49,280
He was born to an I I'll woman,
but he wasn't raised as an I

1651
01:40:49,280 --> 01:40:53,200
I'll.
That part is very clear as day.

1652
01:40:54,480 --> 01:40:56,840
The part about he, what did you
say?

1653
01:40:56,840 --> 01:40:59,960
He would take us home.
He will tie us together with

1654
01:40:59,960 --> 01:41:04,200
bonds we cannot break.
Remember they are very oath

1655
01:41:04,200 --> 01:41:08,080
driven people.
Yes, He will take us back home

1656
01:41:08,200 --> 01:41:13,840
and He will destroy us.
So I guess the part of the

1657
01:41:14,120 --> 01:41:18,120
question I have is if, if the IO
waste is not home for them,

1658
01:41:18,120 --> 01:41:23,440
where is home?
Because that seems very, it

1659
01:41:23,440 --> 01:41:27,760
seems very specific.
You know, like you said, the the

1660
01:41:27,760 --> 01:41:30,360
whole thing about the bonds.
Yes, I can understand that

1661
01:41:30,360 --> 01:41:34,160
because I think that ties into
what Elaine said to him as far

1662
01:41:34,160 --> 01:41:38,080
as like, if you prove yourself
to the IO, they will follow you

1663
01:41:38,080 --> 01:41:41,480
to the ends of the earth.
That sounds like an unbreakable

1664
01:41:41,480 --> 01:41:44,160
bond to me.
It sounds like a stalker, but

1665
01:41:44,160 --> 01:41:45,680
OK, go.
Ahead.

1666
01:41:45,680 --> 01:41:52,120
No, that's land fear, but but
yeah, so it's kind.

1667
01:41:52,120 --> 01:41:54,600
Of that sounds like a good time.
You going to tie us together

1668
01:41:54,600 --> 01:41:57,320
with bombs we cannot breaking or
take us back home and destroy

1669
01:41:57,360 --> 01:41:58,600
us?
Here we go.

1670
01:42:00,720 --> 01:42:05,080
Some people, that's a good time.
Well, that goes back to kind of

1671
01:42:05,080 --> 01:42:09,720
ties in to what Ivienda said as
far as you know, he would break

1672
01:42:09,720 --> 01:42:12,760
us like twigs and then he will.
What did she say?

1673
01:42:13,000 --> 01:42:18,960
He he is creation and
destruction like oh, OK, so So

1674
01:42:18,960 --> 01:42:22,480
what does that mean?
Does that mean that I don't

1675
01:42:22,480 --> 01:42:27,000
know?
If if we if we assume that value

1676
01:42:27,000 --> 01:42:31,880
waste is not their home, he
takes them back home, then

1677
01:42:31,880 --> 01:42:35,000
that's going to destroy them
because their whole culture and

1678
01:42:35,000 --> 01:42:37,480
way of life is built on being in
the waste.

1679
01:42:40,720 --> 01:42:43,000
So they.
May not be able to adapt.

1680
01:42:43,240 --> 01:42:48,280
The And that means he'll be able
to save a remnant of a remnant,

1681
01:42:49,480 --> 01:42:52,200
because whatever is left will be
the ones that can survive,

1682
01:42:55,600 --> 01:42:57,000
right?
Because didn't I be in to say

1683
01:42:57,000 --> 01:42:58,680
that too?
Yes, she did.

1684
01:42:59,840 --> 01:43:02,720
Yeah, yeah.
The remnant of a remnant.

1685
01:43:03,960 --> 01:43:06,680
The car Khan shall save, and
they shall live.

1686
01:43:06,760 --> 01:43:10,040
They shall live.
Yep, she did.

1687
01:43:10,520 --> 01:43:16,280
So those who can take the change
will be able to survive.

1688
01:43:16,680 --> 01:43:20,240
Yeah, it's because what she said
the car Khan shall spill out the

1689
01:43:20,240 --> 01:43:25,400
blood of those who call
themselves I ill as water on

1690
01:43:25,400 --> 01:43:29,720
sand.
And it's like, yeah, OK.

1691
01:43:30,840 --> 01:43:35,880
Because that, to me, kind of
sounds like those who can adapt.

1692
01:43:36,880 --> 01:43:41,520
And break them as dry twigs
break their break their way of

1693
01:43:41,520 --> 01:43:49,760
thinking.
OK, that's a lot to put on a

1694
01:43:49,760 --> 01:43:54,520
teenager.
Well, that's a lot to put on the

1695
01:43:54,520 --> 01:43:58,040
entire culture that you're tell
your bit.

1696
01:43:58,040 --> 01:44:02,480
Your culture has a prophecy that
says their culture is going to

1697
01:44:02,480 --> 01:44:06,200
be destroyed.
Yeah.

1698
01:44:06,840 --> 01:44:10,520
If they follow him, if they
follow him, the culture will be

1699
01:44:10,520 --> 01:44:11,640
destroyed.
Right.

1700
01:44:12,480 --> 01:44:19,000
And I think that that very much
kind of explains Abianda's

1701
01:44:19,680 --> 01:44:25,000
attitude because in her mind she
knows that this means the

1702
01:44:25,000 --> 01:44:29,160
destruction of her people maybe
or of their way of life.

1703
01:44:29,520 --> 01:44:32,960
But at the same time is going to
lead to something better.

1704
01:44:32,960 --> 01:44:35,280
It's kind of like, you know, you
can't make an omelette without

1705
01:44:35,280 --> 01:44:37,720
breaking a few eggs.
You have to break something in

1706
01:44:37,720 --> 01:44:42,920
order to to make it better.
And even though that kind of

1707
01:44:42,920 --> 01:44:47,000
seems harsh sometimes, it might
be necessary.

1708
01:44:47,000 --> 01:44:51,800
Especially if let's say he goes
to the IEO waste and the

1709
01:44:51,800 --> 01:44:54,240
majority of them decide to
follow him.

1710
01:44:55,120 --> 01:44:57,680
There may be a few dissenters
who were like, I don't give a

1711
01:44:57,680 --> 01:45:00,600
fuck what the prophecy says,
that's not my car, car.

1712
01:45:01,080 --> 01:45:03,240
I'm not following him.
He's not.

1713
01:45:03,800 --> 01:45:06,520
You know, because you always
have, you always have that few.

1714
01:45:08,760 --> 01:45:12,120
So I don't know.
But like I said that that's a

1715
01:45:12,120 --> 01:45:15,680
lot to put on someone.
And then it's just kind of

1716
01:45:15,680 --> 01:45:19,840
interesting to see how Iguain is
going to tie into this because

1717
01:45:19,840 --> 01:45:22,120
why would she be dreaming of an
I Ill woman?

1718
01:45:22,160 --> 01:45:25,840
And then this woman just appears
in front of her like, oh, you

1719
01:45:25,840 --> 01:45:27,840
are flesh and blood.
You are for real.

1720
01:45:28,280 --> 01:45:30,560
So now I have to work wonder
about that.

1721
01:45:30,560 --> 01:45:35,520
Like is there, I know that I
said I have lots of different

1722
01:45:36,000 --> 01:45:40,160
abilities that they can do in
addition to the channeling is

1723
01:45:40,160 --> 01:45:43,160
something like I I guess for
lack of a better word, because I

1724
01:45:43,160 --> 01:45:45,680
don't know what the term is.
It's something like dream

1725
01:45:45,680 --> 01:45:51,080
walking, something that is that
I said I people are able to do.

1726
01:45:54,440 --> 01:45:57,600
Oh.
OK, spoilers anyone now?

1727
01:45:57,600 --> 01:46:01,360
OK, so that that lets me know I
might be on the right track.

1728
01:46:02,480 --> 01:46:03,880
Maybe, maybe not.
OK.

1729
01:46:04,520 --> 01:46:07,560
Possibly, possibly not.
So if that's the case.

1730
01:46:07,640 --> 01:46:16,320
Probably, probably not.
If that's the case, then could

1731
01:46:16,320 --> 01:46:19,560
well be a confrontation between
her and Landfair in the future.

1732
01:46:20,120 --> 01:46:22,880
Can't, can't.
I'll say this.

1733
01:46:25,600 --> 01:46:36,440
Remember, Perrin is not a
Chandler, but he has clearly

1734
01:46:36,440 --> 01:46:39,800
inherited an ability.
Yeah.

1735
01:46:40,600 --> 01:46:44,200
So maybe not all abilities are
related.

1736
01:46:44,200 --> 01:46:47,600
To related to being OK, related
to being azadi OK.

1737
01:46:49,840 --> 01:46:55,880
Related to channeling, yeah,
remember the Azadi don't have a,

1738
01:46:56,720 --> 01:46:59,640
they don't have a monopoly on
the One Power.

1739
01:46:59,840 --> 01:47:02,200
Yeah, and then I just thought
about it again.

1740
01:47:03,240 --> 01:47:07,520
Where are a Gwaine and Perrin,
both from the Two Rivers?

1741
01:47:07,840 --> 01:47:11,120
The two rivers.
Where what used to be where the

1742
01:47:11,120 --> 01:47:13,560
two rivers are?
Monatherine.

1743
01:47:13,920 --> 01:47:16,520
OK.
Probably 1 of the greatest

1744
01:47:16,960 --> 01:47:20,280
kingdoms in history.
Yeah.

1745
01:47:21,400 --> 01:47:25,040
OK.
So now that's got me thinking

1746
01:47:25,040 --> 01:47:30,000
about things in a whole
different way, because if you

1747
01:47:30,000 --> 01:47:34,760
really think about it, all of
the Two Rivers people have shown

1748
01:47:34,760 --> 01:47:39,400
some type of exceptional
ability, you know?

1749
01:47:39,400 --> 01:47:43,840
And being a Tavarian is not
related to channelling either.

1750
01:47:46,520 --> 01:47:48,520
OK.
Because you can be.

1751
01:47:48,520 --> 01:47:52,760
Arthur Harquin was a Tavarian, a
powerful Tavarian, and he was a

1752
01:47:52,760 --> 01:47:56,400
channeler.
OK so the other stuff could have

1753
01:47:57,240 --> 01:48:01,160
could have more to do with their
minathrin blood then it being a

1754
01:48:01,160 --> 01:48:04,040
isodized.
So that could be something that

1755
01:48:04,040 --> 01:48:07,960
a Gwaine has because of where
she's from and not because she

1756
01:48:08,200 --> 01:48:11,320
can channel.
Yeah, Yeah.

1757
01:48:11,640 --> 01:48:14,360
There are some abilities that
are not related to channeling.

1758
01:48:14,360 --> 01:48:17,120
OK, OK.
And I guess that's, I guess

1759
01:48:17,120 --> 01:48:20,200
that's just the thing that I
need to train my brain on

1760
01:48:20,560 --> 01:48:23,680
because I think at this point
I'm looking at it like

1761
01:48:23,680 --> 01:48:26,000
everything special has to do
with Isodi.

1762
01:48:26,000 --> 01:48:29,160
And I have to remember that
Isodi, even though that's what

1763
01:48:29,160 --> 01:48:33,400
we were introduced to as like
the main group of people,

1764
01:48:34,440 --> 01:48:38,800
they're not the dominant group
of people at this point.

1765
01:48:39,080 --> 01:48:40,760
I think I.
Don't know if they're fairly

1766
01:48:40,760 --> 01:48:42,960
dominant.
Yeah, but I mean, as far as as

1767
01:48:43,160 --> 01:48:45,080
far as our people go, our
people.

1768
01:48:45,920 --> 01:48:49,600
Just remember, they don't have
exclusive rights to channeling.

1769
01:48:49,680 --> 01:48:57,040
OK, OK, They they, they're other
channelers and and also their

1770
01:48:57,040 --> 01:49:01,920
other abilities out there.
OK, The ability to foretell is

1771
01:49:01,920 --> 01:49:04,840
not necessarily a channeling
ability.

1772
01:49:05,520 --> 01:49:09,680
Yes.
OK, Men is not a channeler.

1773
01:49:09,680 --> 01:49:14,400
Let's talk about men.
Let's talk about men, because

1774
01:49:14,440 --> 01:49:20,080
she shows up in Tarvalan.
Not only in Tarvalan, but she is

1775
01:49:20,640 --> 01:49:26,320
working undercover in the tower
for Varen to try to find out who

1776
01:49:26,320 --> 01:49:31,960
and what that Black Asha are and
what it's like in the Fuck This

1777
01:49:32,040 --> 01:49:37,480
Men find herself wherever Matt
is like.

1778
01:49:37,480 --> 01:49:40,920
Are they just inexplicably tied
to each other?

1779
01:49:41,120 --> 01:49:43,920
Matt Mike is sitting there
shaking his head like.

1780
01:49:45,320 --> 01:49:49,600
Here she is getting getting tied
up with another acid I and try

1781
01:49:49,760 --> 01:49:51,920
and someone trying to make a
deal with her.

1782
01:49:51,920 --> 01:49:55,520
I'm like ma'am.
Look, the last time you you

1783
01:49:55,520 --> 01:49:58,520
teamed up with the acid dye,
that didn't work out so well for

1784
01:49:58,520 --> 01:50:01,680
you.
In the in the services of a dark

1785
01:50:01,680 --> 01:50:03,120
friend, I'm like.
Right.

1786
01:50:03,760 --> 01:50:07,400
But I mean, like I said, I don't
think Baron is a dark friend.

1787
01:50:07,800 --> 01:50:11,800
I'm gonna I'm gonna stick to
that thought.

1788
01:50:12,560 --> 01:50:16,320
So she's working with Baron and
then also kind of sort of force

1789
01:50:16,320 --> 01:50:18,240
the one.
And let me tell you, this shit

1790
01:50:18,240 --> 01:50:22,880
was so funny when she went to
Matt's room to call him for

1791
01:50:22,880 --> 01:50:27,960
Swan.
And so 1 is so as mad in the

1792
01:50:27,960 --> 01:50:29,840
room and she's asking him about
the horn.

1793
01:50:29,840 --> 01:50:34,080
And she was like, yeah, so so
you blew the horn, huh?

1794
01:50:34,440 --> 01:50:37,440
Oh, that's that's good.
So for you, it would have showed

1795
01:50:37,440 --> 01:50:40,480
the, you know, the ghost of the
dead, dead warriors.

1796
01:50:40,480 --> 01:50:43,680
Yeah, up until you die.
And he was like what?

1797
01:50:43,680 --> 01:50:48,240
She said yeah, she said, you
know, it'll do that up until you

1798
01:50:48,240 --> 01:50:52,320
die and then the the abilities
will go to the next person who

1799
01:50:52,320 --> 01:50:54,280
blows the horn.
So, you know, you don't want to

1800
01:50:54,280 --> 01:50:58,480
kind of go all out and just kind
of proclaim to everyone that you

1801
01:50:58,480 --> 01:51:00,880
were the horn blower and that
you were this.

1802
01:51:00,880 --> 01:51:04,000
And you know, you wouldn't want
to take any portraits showing

1803
01:51:04,000 --> 01:51:10,320
you blowing the horn.
And I'm, I know Matt was

1804
01:51:10,440 --> 01:51:17,680
something like, yeah, no, I, I,
no.

1805
01:51:18,160 --> 01:51:20,280
I think, I think in the book
like, yeah, yeah.

1806
01:51:21,160 --> 01:51:24,880
Yeah, I think in the book he
actually hired someone to gleam

1807
01:51:24,880 --> 01:51:28,240
in to sing a song about him
pulling the horn.

1808
01:51:28,240 --> 01:51:31,280
So yeah.
No, yeah.

1809
01:51:31,400 --> 01:51:33,840
He he, yeah, he was
insufferable.

1810
01:51:35,080 --> 01:51:37,920
Yeah, I, I kind of figured that
from the last episode because

1811
01:51:37,920 --> 01:51:42,080
like I said, Matt was starting
to lose my respect because I was

1812
01:51:42,080 --> 01:51:44,640
like, Matt, this is not
something you need to be going

1813
01:51:44,640 --> 01:51:49,640
around bragging about and just
kind of being an idiot about

1814
01:51:49,640 --> 01:51:51,200
because that's what he was
doing.

1815
01:51:51,200 --> 01:51:55,280
Like why would you want to tell
people that this is this was

1816
01:51:55,280 --> 01:51:59,240
you, this is what you did?
Especially knowing that, oh,

1817
01:51:59,240 --> 01:52:01,640
there are people out here
looking for us that are trying

1818
01:52:01,640 --> 01:52:05,040
to kill us because we can't say
for certain that that's not how

1819
01:52:05,040 --> 01:52:07,280
the Forsaken found them.
Right.

1820
01:52:07,840 --> 01:52:12,480
So, you know, I, I thought it
was interesting that so one kind

1821
01:52:12,480 --> 01:52:15,000
of called him out on that.
And then she was like, you want

1822
01:52:15,000 --> 01:52:18,320
me to hold that for safekeeping?
He was like, yes, yes.

1823
01:52:18,960 --> 01:52:22,120
And then she turns around.
She said he reminded her of her

1824
01:52:22,120 --> 01:52:26,640
uncle and her uncle was a
gambler.

1825
01:52:26,640 --> 01:52:30,120
And you know, he was he was kind
of lose this then other blah,

1826
01:52:30,120 --> 01:52:33,240
blah, blah.
But he died a hero saving some

1827
01:52:33,240 --> 01:52:35,760
children from a fire.
And then she said, will you be a

1828
01:52:35,760 --> 01:52:37,760
hit?
Will you step up when the flames

1829
01:52:37,760 --> 01:52:41,040
come?
And I thought at first that she

1830
01:52:41,040 --> 01:52:45,000
was kind of, I thought she was
about to be degrading to him,

1831
01:52:45,000 --> 01:52:48,080
just kind of be like, OK, so are
you really going to be a hero,

1832
01:52:48,400 --> 01:52:50,520
You know, that sort of thing?
Because that's kind of the

1833
01:52:50,520 --> 01:52:54,280
interaction that we've seen
people have with Matt, kind of

1834
01:52:54,280 --> 01:52:58,240
not taking him seriously, kind
of, you know, making it seem

1835
01:52:58,240 --> 01:52:59,800
like he's the loser of the
group.

1836
01:53:00,120 --> 01:53:03,120
And then when he says to her, he
was like, I'm no hero.

1837
01:53:03,120 --> 01:53:05,480
I just do what needs to be done.
And then she looks at him and

1838
01:53:05,480 --> 01:53:09,640
she said, all heroes only do
what needs to be done.

1839
01:53:11,800 --> 01:53:15,000
And then she says, you may go.
And I, I like that she did that

1840
01:53:15,000 --> 01:53:18,920
because it's kind of like, even
with all of this stuff, even

1841
01:53:18,920 --> 01:53:24,680
with him being the horn blower,
him knowing that he was one of

1842
01:53:24,680 --> 01:53:28,680
the, you know, heroes of the
horn, you still kind of see in

1843
01:53:28,680 --> 01:53:31,640
that moment that Matt still has
a little bit of self doubt about

1844
01:53:31,800 --> 01:53:35,760
who he is and, and what he does.
He's like, I'm no hero.

1845
01:53:35,760 --> 01:53:39,600
And she's basically telling him,
in a way, yeah, you are a hero

1846
01:53:39,600 --> 01:53:42,560
because that's all heroes do.
Like the heroes who go around

1847
01:53:42,560 --> 01:53:46,760
proclaiming they are heroes,
nobody cares about them, is the

1848
01:53:46,760 --> 01:53:49,880
ones who step up when nobody
else is stepping up or the ones

1849
01:53:49,880 --> 01:53:51,680
who step up when they don't have
to.

1850
01:53:52,240 --> 01:53:54,320
Those are the heroes.
And I think that's what she was

1851
01:53:54,320 --> 01:53:56,320
trying to tell him.
Like, look, you don't have to do

1852
01:53:56,320 --> 01:53:59,920
all of this boasting and, you
know, all of this stuff trying

1853
01:53:59,920 --> 01:54:04,040
to be this person because that
person is who you are at your

1854
01:54:04,040 --> 01:54:06,560
core.
And I really appreciated that

1855
01:54:06,560 --> 01:54:09,760
about her because again, Matt is
one of the people who I think

1856
01:54:09,760 --> 01:54:12,640
people look down on so much in
this show.

1857
01:54:13,520 --> 01:54:16,320
And it's nice to see someone
looking kind of through that

1858
01:54:16,320 --> 01:54:19,760
facade of his tell him, hey,
you're important.

1859
01:54:21,600 --> 01:54:23,280
She just had a funny way of
doing it.

1860
01:54:25,480 --> 01:54:26,800
And then that's what he does in
the book.

1861
01:54:26,800 --> 01:54:29,480
He he spends the entire book
walking around.

1862
01:54:29,480 --> 01:54:31,040
I'm no hero.
I'm no hero.

1863
01:54:31,040 --> 01:54:32,960
And he keeps doing these heroic
things.

1864
01:54:33,680 --> 01:54:35,480
I'm no hero.
I'm no hero.

1865
01:54:35,480 --> 01:54:37,440
Why are y'all following me?
I'm no hero.

1866
01:54:38,440 --> 01:54:43,400
OK, OK.
That that's his thing, and he's

1867
01:54:43,400 --> 01:54:46,040
the most minetran.
I told you this before.

1868
01:54:46,040 --> 01:54:48,520
He's probably the one with the
most minetran in him.

1869
01:54:48,640 --> 01:54:51,680
His blood.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1870
01:54:52,560 --> 01:54:56,520
OK, since we're back in the
tower, I got.

1871
01:54:56,560 --> 01:54:58,040
To talk about his name.
Brothers.

1872
01:54:58,960 --> 01:55:01,080
This the sweaty fight I got to.
Talk about.

1873
01:55:02,520 --> 01:55:06,920
Two things the the sweaty fight
and Matt not been able to get

1874
01:55:06,920 --> 01:55:11,640
any sleep.
And all for the same reason.

1875
01:55:11,840 --> 01:55:16,360
I think, OK, let's get that one
out of the way really quickly.

1876
01:55:16,360 --> 01:55:21,640
I think Michelle and I like
almost killed over in laughter

1877
01:55:22,200 --> 01:55:26,720
when he goes that is Gladden,
that is Gwen.

1878
01:55:29,160 --> 01:55:33,880
I was like wow.
Yeah, because poor Matt Mike.

1879
01:55:34,120 --> 01:55:38,920
First of all, who put him in
rooms between those brothers?

1880
01:55:38,920 --> 01:55:41,880
And why would they do that?
You would think that all of the

1881
01:55:41,880 --> 01:55:46,760
brothers would be with the rest
of the family, but I guess maybe

1882
01:55:46,760 --> 01:55:49,280
they were in some of the novices
rooms.

1883
01:55:49,640 --> 01:55:52,280
But I was like, oh, they get
down like that in the tower.

1884
01:55:52,800 --> 01:55:56,000
All I know is Matt was probably
doing pretty good for himself

1885
01:55:56,000 --> 01:55:59,760
until they got there.
The way that they came in with

1886
01:55:59,760 --> 01:56:02,760
that scene with Matt, because
Matt is sitting in the chair,

1887
01:56:02,960 --> 01:56:08,800
he's got on the robe and it's
it's kind of open and, and the

1888
01:56:08,800 --> 01:56:11,400
dialogue and she's like, like
this.

1889
01:56:11,400 --> 01:56:13,600
And he was like, yeah, with both
hands.

1890
01:56:13,680 --> 01:56:17,120
I was like.
Whoa, hey, yo.

1891
01:56:17,200 --> 01:56:23,000
Like what are y'all?
I was like are we getting

1892
01:56:23,040 --> 01:56:25,280
X-rated on the Amazon prime
show?

1893
01:56:25,720 --> 01:56:28,760
But it was just one of the girls
trying to.

1894
01:56:30,320 --> 01:56:33,680
I guess she was trying to blow
the horn boy something.

1895
01:56:34,680 --> 01:56:36,600
No, she, I think he was he
sketching her?

1896
01:56:37,880 --> 01:56:41,160
No.
It's not Jack and Rose.

1897
01:56:41,200 --> 01:56:47,120
No, no, Mike, no.
You have reached 1/4 of

1898
01:56:47,120 --> 01:56:52,800
references for tonight.
Hey so look, y'all can do it,

1899
01:56:52,800 --> 01:56:55,280
y'all can make those kind of
references in the show, but when

1900
01:56:55,280 --> 01:56:58,440
I do it I got to get a, a, a.
Oh no, I told Mike.

1901
01:56:58,440 --> 01:57:00,240
Mike.
About her.

1902
01:57:00,480 --> 01:57:01,360
Him.
Sketching.

1903
01:57:01,640 --> 01:57:03,880
Oh, OK, OK, I was about to say
I'm.

1904
01:57:05,040 --> 01:57:06,720
Gonna not be like when I used to
die.

1905
01:57:07,080 --> 01:57:10,960
This was, yeah, this is one of
the things that Sawan was

1906
01:57:11,040 --> 01:57:13,160
messing with him about.
She was like, yeah, you wouldn't

1907
01:57:13,160 --> 01:57:17,840
want to be using that as social
as as social capital with the

1908
01:57:17,840 --> 01:57:19,880
novices, right?
That you were the horn blower

1909
01:57:19,880 --> 01:57:23,560
and my, I was like, no, but
that's exactly what he was

1910
01:57:23,560 --> 01:57:25,320
doing.
When we see him in this scene,

1911
01:57:25,880 --> 01:57:28,480
one of the novices, she's there
and she's getting ready to blow

1912
01:57:28,480 --> 01:57:30,680
the horn and somebody knocks on
the door and it's one of her

1913
01:57:30,680 --> 01:57:32,880
friends.
And Matt is like, did you invite

1914
01:57:32,880 --> 01:57:36,000
a friend, Mike?
Matt's thinking that he wants to

1915
01:57:36,000 --> 01:57:38,440
get lucky.
And when she comes in and she's

1916
01:57:38,440 --> 01:57:44,160
like the Andorian Princess are
fighting in the in the wherever.

1917
01:57:44,960 --> 01:57:47,320
Yeah, in the courtyard.
So they run out.

1918
01:57:47,320 --> 01:57:50,960
Matt runs out too, and he sees
everybody watching these two

1919
01:57:50,960 --> 01:57:55,760
shirtless brothers of Elaine's
sword fighting in the courtyard.

1920
01:57:55,760 --> 01:57:58,880
And then he sees Elaine and
Naive, and he walks over to them

1921
01:57:59,240 --> 01:58:01,640
and they're looking.
He was like Naive.

1922
01:58:01,640 --> 01:58:04,400
I thought you would have been.
I thought you would have been

1923
01:58:04,400 --> 01:58:06,000
above this.
And she said, I don't think

1924
01:58:06,000 --> 01:58:14,440
anybody.
He's like, who are these tosses?

1925
01:58:14,440 --> 01:58:21,760
And Elaine is like my brothers
and and I need makes the comment

1926
01:58:21,760 --> 01:58:25,840
Yeah, entitled little bastards.
No offense, Elaine, she said.

1927
01:58:26,080 --> 01:58:28,840
No offense taken, especially
coming from someone who's.

1928
01:58:29,600 --> 01:58:38,680
Thinking and I.
But I'm sorry, the lad looks

1929
01:58:38,680 --> 01:58:42,080
like Jensen Ackles.
I'm I'm going to keep saying it

1930
01:58:42,080 --> 01:58:45,200
until y'all see it.
He looks like Jensen Ackles with

1931
01:58:45,200 --> 01:58:49,920
an accent especially there was 1
stance that he was doing.

1932
01:58:49,920 --> 01:58:54,800
Now I would admit these brothers
have some skills and I feel like

1933
01:58:56,280 --> 01:58:59,200
I almost feel like this was a
tryout for them because they

1934
01:58:59,200 --> 01:59:03,880
mentioned earlier in the episode
that Elaine would have been safe

1935
01:59:03,880 --> 01:59:07,000
if they had been there starting
their water training like they

1936
01:59:07,000 --> 01:59:10,400
have wanted to when she came to
be a novice.

1937
01:59:10,920 --> 01:59:15,360
And so I was like, oh, OK, so.
And that's the thing.

1938
01:59:15,360 --> 01:59:18,480
So again, this is another one of
those things that they don't

1939
01:59:18,480 --> 01:59:20,000
really explain to us in the
show.

1940
01:59:20,000 --> 01:59:24,160
So Anthony, how do people become
warders or how did they get

1941
01:59:24,160 --> 01:59:27,120
selected?
Because I think the only one

1942
01:59:27,120 --> 01:59:31,800
we've heard about is Moraine
when she said she met Land and I

1943
01:59:31,800 --> 01:59:35,200
think it was a Tavern or
something and she knew he would

1944
01:59:35,200 --> 01:59:39,240
be her warder.
How does that process start?

1945
01:59:39,240 --> 01:59:42,720
Like is there the school that
they go to where?

1946
01:59:42,720 --> 01:59:46,440
They, so there's, there's an
application process and of

1947
01:59:46,440 --> 01:59:50,040
course you have to submit
headshots full, you know, torso

1948
01:59:50,040 --> 01:59:53,280
headshots, yeah.
Mm hmm, short list shirt.

1949
01:59:53,600 --> 01:59:56,840
List a short list, shirt list
worth the headshots and there's

1950
01:59:56,840 --> 02:00:00,160
a test, but the test has not
been important as long as it

1951
02:00:00,160 --> 02:00:02,560
look good.
Yeah, no, seriously, How?

1952
02:00:03,920 --> 02:00:06,880
How?
I mean, you can, so you can do

1953
02:00:06,880 --> 02:00:10,240
what Moraine did and
spontaneously you find a warrior

1954
02:00:10,240 --> 02:00:12,080
who's like, Oh my God, they're
really good.

1955
02:00:12,320 --> 02:00:15,040
You want to be my warder?
Sometimes they say, oh, sure,

1956
02:00:15,040 --> 02:00:19,120
I'll try it out.
But they also have a school,

1957
02:00:20,440 --> 02:00:24,120
quote UN quote, school at the
White Tower 'cause they have

1958
02:00:24,120 --> 02:00:28,640
like barracks and all this stuff
for the men and, and they can go

1959
02:00:28,640 --> 02:00:31,520
there.
Teenage teenagers, you know,

1960
02:00:31,520 --> 02:00:35,440
they can be Squires or whatever
to learn how to become a warder,

1961
02:00:36,000 --> 02:00:39,360
just basically learn how to
fight and learn strategy and all

1962
02:00:39,360 --> 02:00:41,760
that stuff.
Well, depending on which

1963
02:00:41,760 --> 02:00:45,600
direction you're going.
And you know, there's a lot of

1964
02:00:45,600 --> 02:00:49,640
accepted walking around hoping
to be raised to the saw scoping

1965
02:00:49,640 --> 02:00:53,080
out who who they might want to
pick to be their warder.

1966
02:00:53,080 --> 02:00:55,920
So.
Yeah, because I remember from

1967
02:00:56,280 --> 02:00:59,600
last season when I need was
walking in there looking for

1968
02:00:59,600 --> 02:01:01,880
Maxim and Ivan, there was
another.

1969
02:01:01,880 --> 02:01:04,160
I thought he was already a
warder.

1970
02:01:04,680 --> 02:01:07,840
You know, who approached her was
like, yeah, so you're accepted

1971
02:01:07,840 --> 02:01:10,840
now, blah, blah, blah.
So he wasn't already awarded.

1972
02:01:10,840 --> 02:01:13,560
He was training.
OK, OK.

1973
02:01:13,560 --> 02:01:15,480
Because that's the thing.
I was like, OK, these are the

1974
02:01:15,480 --> 02:01:17,960
people who have already been
chosen to be warders.

1975
02:01:17,960 --> 02:01:22,000
But no, it's, it's kind of like
a like you go to school to train

1976
02:01:22,000 --> 02:01:24,600
for something, then there's
probably a test or something

1977
02:01:24,600 --> 02:01:28,640
that you have to take to say
that you were ready to do this.

1978
02:01:28,640 --> 02:01:29,720
Kind of like the.
I see.

1979
02:01:29,800 --> 02:01:34,920
That, I guess the instructors,
you know, but oh, yeah, yeah,

1980
02:01:34,960 --> 02:01:36,200
you're good enough.
You you're ready.

1981
02:01:36,480 --> 02:01:38,720
They can say.
Yeah, he's ready, you know.

1982
02:01:39,440 --> 02:01:42,280
And they don't have to be a
certain age to do that, right?

1983
02:01:42,720 --> 02:01:46,240
No, if you can kick the
instructor's ass, you're ready,

1984
02:01:48,200 --> 02:01:52,160
OK, No matter how old you are.
OK, because I think that's the

1985
02:01:52,160 --> 02:01:55,240
other question I had.
As far as the Isidye, is there

1986
02:01:55,240 --> 02:01:59,880
like a specific age that they
have to come to the White Tower?

1987
02:01:59,920 --> 02:02:03,040
You know, I'm thinking again.
My brain automatically goes to.

1988
02:02:03,800 --> 02:02:06,200
It's about when they find the
girl who can channel.

1989
02:02:07,080 --> 02:02:10,680
Is that what you're asking?
Yes, it depends.

1990
02:02:11,600 --> 02:02:13,720
There isn't a specific age is
is.

1991
02:02:13,720 --> 02:02:17,760
If you start showing that you
can channel, most families will

1992
02:02:17,760 --> 02:02:19,720
go ahead and send you.
OK.

1993
02:02:20,160 --> 02:02:21,880
Whatever age you start
channeling.

1994
02:02:21,880 --> 02:02:24,000
OK, OK.
You know, 'cause the thing about

1995
02:02:24,000 --> 02:02:27,240
E Wayne didn't start until she
was damn near 20.

1996
02:02:27,680 --> 02:02:31,440
OK.
Then swan in that flashback.

1997
02:02:31,920 --> 02:02:34,280
She was like 9 or 10.
She was like 9 or 10.

1998
02:02:34,960 --> 02:02:37,400
OK.
But there was, and I think I'm

1999
02:02:37,480 --> 02:02:39,800
real quick, I think I mentioned
this before, there is something

2000
02:02:39,800 --> 02:02:44,440
they've changed.
You can be born with the

2001
02:02:44,440 --> 02:02:48,160
capacity to learn how to
channel, or you could be born

2002
02:02:48,160 --> 02:02:50,280
with the capacity to channel.
OK.

2003
02:02:50,320 --> 02:02:52,560
Yes, you mentioned that two
different ways.

2004
02:02:53,440 --> 02:02:56,920
And they've kind of left that
out of of the show so far.

2005
02:02:57,080 --> 02:03:01,480
OK, OK.
Because they they're you.

2006
02:03:02,000 --> 02:03:05,000
Yes, you can either channel or
not channel, but you can learn

2007
02:03:05,000 --> 02:03:07,600
how the channel if you have that
ability to learn.

2008
02:03:07,960 --> 02:03:10,560
OK.
But they don't.

2009
02:03:10,560 --> 02:03:11,760
They don't have that in the
show.

2010
02:03:12,680 --> 02:03:14,440
OK.
Yeah, I think you mentioned it

2011
02:03:14,440 --> 02:03:16,080
when we were talking about the
Sean Chan.

2012
02:03:16,600 --> 02:03:18,920
Yeah.
And the problem is if you don't

2013
02:03:19,320 --> 02:03:23,040
go, like if you are, if you
start channelling because of its

2014
02:03:23,040 --> 02:03:26,480
addictive nature, if you are a
young person and you start

2015
02:03:26,480 --> 02:03:29,920
telling and you start taking in
and therefore the one power, you

2016
02:03:29,920 --> 02:03:35,040
can burn yourself out and die.
So it's usually so it's usually

2017
02:03:35,040 --> 02:03:39,320
in your best interest to send
your child to learn how to do

2018
02:03:39,320 --> 02:03:41,200
it.
To learn how to control it.

2019
02:03:41,360 --> 02:03:43,880
Learn how to control it.
Now there's some places if they

2020
02:03:43,880 --> 02:03:49,960
do it a little bit, you know,
like this is to say that maybe

2021
02:03:50,360 --> 02:03:55,960
wisdoms, some wisdoms, maybe
Chandlers in the two rivers and

2022
02:03:55,960 --> 02:03:58,880
not know it and kind.
Of like Nan Eve.

2023
02:03:59,480 --> 02:04:05,240
Kind of like Nan Eve, and she
has been probably using, trying

2024
02:04:05,240 --> 02:04:09,360
to help heal since she was
starting to enhance the

2025
02:04:09,360 --> 02:04:12,960
chemicalism and didn't know it.
Remember, she killed Elaine, I

2026
02:04:12,960 --> 02:04:17,360
mean, Wayne from the breakdowns.
Yeah.

2027
02:04:17,840 --> 02:04:21,840
And so it's possible people are
all over doing it, but they're

2028
02:04:21,840 --> 02:04:25,960
doing it a little bit.
It's just the ones who realize

2029
02:04:25,960 --> 02:04:28,400
what they're doing.
If they start doing it more and

2030
02:04:28,400 --> 02:04:31,200
more and more and feeding out a
train property, they can burn

2031
02:04:31,200 --> 02:04:35,160
themselves out.
OK, OK.

2032
02:04:36,480 --> 02:04:40,520
Yeah, OK.
Going back to this water thing

2033
02:04:40,520 --> 02:04:45,440
real quick.
Glistening bodies.

2034
02:04:46,800 --> 02:04:49,560
Glistening bodies.
Glistening bodies.

2035
02:04:50,240 --> 02:04:54,360
But anyway, so towards the end
of the episode we see that her

2036
02:04:54,360 --> 02:04:58,800
brothers are going to stay and
do their water training because

2037
02:04:59,360 --> 02:05:07,520
after Swan has recruited Elaine
and Naive to be her hounds.

2038
02:05:07,520 --> 02:05:13,200
Which I have a problem with the
show continuously referring to

2039
02:05:13,200 --> 02:05:18,000
people as animals.
It's just bothersome to me.

2040
02:05:18,640 --> 02:05:21,680
I don't know if it bothers
anybody else, but when she says

2041
02:05:21,680 --> 02:05:25,960
that she wants them to be her
hounds, Elaine takes this kind

2042
02:05:25,960 --> 02:05:28,640
of as her sign that, OK, you
know what?

2043
02:05:30,440 --> 02:05:34,000
I think she did this on purpose
because what does she tell them?

2044
02:05:34,000 --> 02:05:37,640
She tells Elaine, you're going
to go through the arches tonight

2045
02:05:38,360 --> 02:05:40,360
and then you guys are going to
get started tomorrow.

2046
02:05:40,360 --> 02:05:43,040
And Elaine was like, oh, I think
she did that on purpose because

2047
02:05:43,040 --> 02:05:45,400
my mother's supposed to Take Me
Home tomorrow.

2048
02:05:46,360 --> 02:05:49,760
And Elaine makes the decision
towards the end of the episode.

2049
02:05:49,760 --> 02:05:53,880
She was like, no, I'm staying,
I'm going to become a Isodai

2050
02:05:54,480 --> 02:05:56,680
because I think what this what
does she say?

2051
02:05:56,680 --> 02:06:00,440
Her, her mother, I think told
her that it would be

2052
02:06:00,440 --> 02:06:04,440
advantageous for her to become a
Isodai and that's why they sent

2053
02:06:04,440 --> 02:06:06,080
her to the tower in the 1st
place.

2054
02:06:06,560 --> 02:06:09,400
And Elaine is like, yeah, it
will help with that.

2055
02:06:09,400 --> 02:06:13,720
But that's not the only thing.
That's not the only reason why I

2056
02:06:13,720 --> 02:06:15,960
want to do this.
She was like, I literally healed

2057
02:06:15,960 --> 02:06:20,680
the Dragon Reborn in fall.
She was like, I have a greater

2058
02:06:20,680 --> 02:06:26,160
purpose just from being the the
queen, but I'm going to fulfill

2059
02:06:26,160 --> 02:06:28,200
that purpose too.
But I need to what did she say?

2060
02:06:28,440 --> 02:06:34,800
I need to earn it first so.
This is a great speech.

2061
02:06:34,840 --> 02:06:39,520
Like I, I was so proud of her.
I thought just like, and you

2062
02:06:39,520 --> 02:06:42,400
knew, you already knew that she
was going to say something to

2063
02:06:42,400 --> 02:06:44,000
convince her mother to let her
stay.

2064
02:06:44,000 --> 02:06:45,720
Like there was no shots.
She was going there.

2065
02:06:45,720 --> 02:06:48,560
She was going to let her mother
take her back, to take her back

2066
02:06:48,560 --> 02:06:50,080
to the Catholic.
That was not happening.

2067
02:06:50,160 --> 02:06:53,560
Especially after night Need got
upset with her for for telling

2068
02:06:53,560 --> 02:06:56,080
her she was leaving.
She was like no, I can't do this

2069
02:06:56,880 --> 02:06:57,840
right?
I can't do this.

2070
02:06:58,520 --> 02:07:01,600
Yeah, I'm, I'm glad.
I mean, this scene was just so

2071
02:07:01,600 --> 02:07:04,400
cool.
And and her mom finally, even

2072
02:07:04,400 --> 02:07:07,520
the even though her mom left
everyone, she basically left

2073
02:07:07,520 --> 02:07:09,680
everyone there.
She came with I'm like, like

2074
02:07:09,680 --> 02:07:12,600
who's going back with her?
Like the the the the Rose pedal,

2075
02:07:12,640 --> 02:07:16,240
the Rose pedal throwers that
and, and her and her man like

2076
02:07:16,240 --> 02:07:17,480
that.
That's the only people that she

2077
02:07:17,480 --> 02:07:19,280
that she came that she's leaving
back with.

2078
02:07:19,960 --> 02:07:22,200
It's like, like what's her name
staying?

2079
02:07:22,200 --> 02:07:23,960
Her brothers is staying.
Yeah, I.

2080
02:07:24,720 --> 02:07:27,280
Was like, yeah.
Yeah, I guess Gabriel's going

2081
02:07:27,280 --> 02:07:31,200
back with her.
But the other thing about more

2082
02:07:31,200 --> 02:07:34,480
gays leaving is Elijah Sadai is
staying.

2083
02:07:35,640 --> 02:07:39,400
And the look on Swan's face when
she realized that she was like

2084
02:07:40,080 --> 02:07:43,280
and or hasn't been without an
acid because, you know, a

2085
02:07:43,280 --> 02:07:47,000
consultant in over 1000 years.
And Queen Margaze was like,

2086
02:07:47,480 --> 02:07:49,200
we'll manage.
She's going to stay here.

2087
02:07:49,640 --> 02:07:53,520
And Swan just looks and she's
just like she kind of takes off

2088
02:07:55,320 --> 02:07:59,400
because you know, a lot of Sadai
is about to be a headache for

2089
02:07:59,400 --> 02:08:02,280
her.
She is about to be a headache

2090
02:08:02,320 --> 02:08:07,960
regardless of whether she is a
bad person, a black eyes or

2091
02:08:07,960 --> 02:08:10,440
what.
She is about to be a headache

2092
02:08:10,560 --> 02:08:13,720
for someone.
Especially now that we know that

2093
02:08:14,160 --> 02:08:18,720
she wanted to be the ambulance
and she got beat up by someone.

2094
02:08:18,720 --> 02:08:22,720
I have a feeling she may try
again, especially with

2095
02:08:22,720 --> 02:08:24,920
everything that's going on in
the tower.

2096
02:08:25,640 --> 02:08:28,000
I think what she's going to try
to do is she's going to try to

2097
02:08:28,000 --> 02:08:30,720
pit the sisters against someone
and be like, OK, you know what,

2098
02:08:31,040 --> 02:08:35,800
she's leading.
And Black Asha got in under her

2099
02:08:35,800 --> 02:08:37,800
nose.
We can't trust her to be the

2100
02:08:37,800 --> 02:08:40,560
leader.
And that's probably the plat

2101
02:08:40,560 --> 02:08:43,320
look, the platform she's going
to run on that.

2102
02:08:43,400 --> 02:08:45,240
That's probably what she's going
to tell them.

2103
02:08:45,280 --> 02:08:51,560
And I just kind of I kind of
worry about it for someone.

2104
02:08:52,760 --> 02:08:55,520
And not only that, I kind of
worry about it for Rand too,

2105
02:08:55,520 --> 02:09:04,120
because I think if anybody else
aside from Swan is the ambulance

2106
02:09:04,120 --> 02:09:08,240
seat, they are going to make it
their mission to go after Rat.

2107
02:09:08,760 --> 02:09:11,520
I think.
So Swan right now, I don't think

2108
02:09:11,520 --> 02:09:15,160
she sent anybody after Ran
because right now she has bigger

2109
02:09:15,160 --> 02:09:18,280
problems as far as the black
Asha goes.

2110
02:09:18,280 --> 02:09:25,280
But I think also there is a part
of her that realizes that what

2111
02:09:25,280 --> 02:09:28,520
she did in form was wrong.
And I mean, she admitted it.

2112
02:09:28,520 --> 02:09:30,600
She said there were things that
she did that she regrets.

2113
02:09:30,600 --> 02:09:33,440
And I know one of those things
was probably trying to command

2114
02:09:33,880 --> 02:09:37,320
Moraine to not to close the way
gate.

2115
02:09:37,400 --> 02:09:42,400
But I I just feel like she
probably still has enough trust

2116
02:09:42,440 --> 02:09:45,960
in Moraine to say, OK, if
Moraine is doing this with Rand,

2117
02:09:45,960 --> 02:09:49,600
there is a reason.
Like we had a whole mission for

2118
02:09:49,600 --> 02:09:54,240
20 years that we needed to find
the the Dragon Reborn, and

2119
02:09:54,240 --> 02:09:57,320
Moraine has done that and now
she's still with him.

2120
02:09:57,320 --> 02:10:01,040
So maybe I need to kind of see
which way the wind is blowing.

2121
02:10:01,040 --> 02:10:07,120
What is Moraine doing?
I trust her enough maybe to to

2122
02:10:07,120 --> 02:10:10,400
see this through.
But I don't think that's going

2123
02:10:10,400 --> 02:10:13,760
to be the case.
If Eliza or anybody else sits on

2124
02:10:13,760 --> 02:10:16,640
that seat, they're going to go
after Ran.

2125
02:10:16,640 --> 02:10:20,000
And I don't think that's going
to be a good ideal for anybody,

2126
02:10:21,680 --> 02:10:24,080
especially because Ran can't
control it.

2127
02:10:24,240 --> 02:10:27,400
Like he can control it to a
point.

2128
02:10:27,480 --> 02:10:32,000
But just like he said in this
conversation here with Moraine,

2129
02:10:32,560 --> 02:10:35,440
it was like, yeah, it's not that
I can't control this.

2130
02:10:35,440 --> 02:10:37,800
Just when I touch it, I don't
want to control it.

2131
02:10:37,840 --> 02:10:39,840
He was like, it's almost like an
addiction.

2132
02:10:39,840 --> 02:10:42,920
I just want to keep keep at it,
keep at it.

2133
02:10:42,920 --> 02:10:44,520
And do you understand what that
feels like?

2134
02:10:44,520 --> 02:10:47,960
And Moran is like, no, he was
like, so you, you can't tell me

2135
02:10:47,960 --> 02:10:51,600
how I'm supposed to do this.
You can't tell me that I'm going

2136
02:10:51,600 --> 02:10:54,400
to have to channel because that
might be dangerous for everybody

2137
02:10:54,400 --> 02:10:58,440
involved, like.
You see, it's like he has a, he

2138
02:10:58,440 --> 02:11:00,480
has a thirst.
Yeah.

2139
02:11:01,120 --> 02:11:05,680
And the way to take care of is
right there, yeah.

2140
02:11:06,760 --> 02:11:09,080
He's like, but it's not just
about quenching that thirst

2141
02:11:09,080 --> 02:11:11,360
because I'll keep drinking.
I'll keep on keeping.

2142
02:11:11,840 --> 02:11:14,920
So sweet.
Yeah, yeah, he was.

2143
02:11:14,920 --> 02:11:18,960
The way he was making the sound,
I was like, OK, yeah, I want

2144
02:11:18,960 --> 02:11:24,120
some of whatever he's.
But Moraine doesn't.

2145
02:11:24,160 --> 02:11:26,960
She doesn't understand what that
compulsion is like for him,

2146
02:11:26,960 --> 02:11:31,080
because the one power is kind of
a part of her.

2147
02:11:31,080 --> 02:11:34,080
She doesn't have to.
She doesn't have to control it

2148
02:11:34,080 --> 02:11:37,720
in the same way that he has to
control it because it's it's a

2149
02:11:37,720 --> 02:11:40,280
part of who she is, as part of
what she's supposed to be as far

2150
02:11:40,280 --> 02:11:43,440
as being a woman like it's a.
Yeah, well, there there's a

2151
02:11:43,680 --> 02:11:46,000
difference between a man
channeling and a woman

2152
02:11:46,000 --> 02:11:49,800
channeling.
So men, men is described as

2153
02:11:49,800 --> 02:11:53,400
having, they have to seize the
one Power to use it.

2154
02:11:53,920 --> 02:11:57,840
Women have to surrender to the
One Power in order to use it.

2155
02:11:58,240 --> 02:12:02,640
Yeah.
So I don't know.

2156
02:12:03,200 --> 02:12:08,120
I just, I think that I think the
I said that I think the tower

2157
02:12:08,120 --> 02:12:13,680
needs to focus on their black
Asha problem, which we didn't

2158
02:12:13,680 --> 02:12:18,240
see any of them in this episode.
So that's what they need to

2159
02:12:18,240 --> 02:12:19,520
worry about.
They need to.

2160
02:12:19,520 --> 02:12:23,520
Leave, you know.
Wait, what you say?

2161
02:12:24,280 --> 02:12:27,640
Or did we?
I mean, there, there's always

2162
02:12:27,640 --> 02:12:32,440
that possibility, but I'm saying
the the the known ones, the ones

2163
02:12:32,440 --> 02:12:35,680
that we know are black Asha,
they are, they are off

2164
02:12:35,680 --> 02:12:38,280
somewhere.
Leandron and her cabal.

2165
02:12:38,960 --> 02:12:42,040
There you go.
I have a feeling season episode

2166
02:12:42,040 --> 02:12:45,680
3 is going to be full of
Leandron and her cabal.

2167
02:12:47,200 --> 02:12:52,800
OK.
I mean, like you said, we

2168
02:12:52,800 --> 02:12:55,360
haven't seen them, so it's time
to see them.

2169
02:12:55,640 --> 02:12:59,720
Yeah, and figure out what
they're up to, where they are

2170
02:13:00,440 --> 02:13:03,560
and what their plans are.
Because it's like, OK, now that

2171
02:13:03,560 --> 02:13:06,720
you have all of the stuff that
was in the repository, now that

2172
02:13:06,720 --> 02:13:10,640
you have basically made an enemy
of yourself with the rest of the

2173
02:13:10,640 --> 02:13:18,160
eyes to die, Like where could
someone like them go and be safe

2174
02:13:19,800 --> 02:13:23,760
or lay low?
So yeah, that that's what I need

2175
02:13:23,760 --> 02:13:25,240
to know.
Where where you guys going?

2176
02:13:25,240 --> 02:13:28,800
I know they were trying to get
to a boat in that last episode

2177
02:13:28,800 --> 02:13:31,240
because Leandro was like, get to
the docks, get to the docks.

2178
02:13:31,240 --> 02:13:35,000
So there's somewhere away from
Tarvilan because I think if they

2179
02:13:35,000 --> 02:13:38,360
had been in Tarvilan that they
they would be dead.

2180
02:13:38,480 --> 02:13:42,680
But yeah, I, I want to see that
and I want to see what's going

2181
02:13:42,680 --> 02:13:46,240
on with E Gwen and this whole
thing with the Teleron Riyadh.

2182
02:13:47,440 --> 02:13:50,920
Because for you to dream about a
woman and then this woman is in

2183
02:13:50,920 --> 02:13:53,880
front of you.
I need to know more of what's

2184
02:13:53,880 --> 02:13:59,080
going on, so do we have anything
else to talk about?

2185
02:13:59,880 --> 02:14:02,120
I know there was a lot going on
in this episode.

2186
02:14:02,400 --> 02:14:06,960
Yeah, this episode was a lot of
setup for big payouts later

2187
02:14:06,960 --> 02:14:13,360
probably.
And episode 1 was like a 9.8 for

2188
02:14:13,360 --> 02:14:17,240
me.
This was probably like a 8.5.

2189
02:14:17,720 --> 02:14:21,440
OK.
So good solid setup episode.

2190
02:14:21,640 --> 02:14:23,040
Yeah, yeah.
No action.

2191
02:14:24,720 --> 02:14:27,720
We discussed Gabriel may be
trying to compose Elaine when

2192
02:14:27,720 --> 02:14:36,040
she when he was talking to her.
OK, shots Avienda the first time

2193
02:14:36,040 --> 02:14:38,840
they were walking and she said
OK, we're almost there.

2194
02:14:38,840 --> 02:14:41,080
She said I will make it before
night.

2195
02:14:41,080 --> 02:14:43,680
But then she looked him up and
down like we can make camp.

2196
02:14:44,320 --> 02:14:47,240
Yeah, she was looking at them
like I you would make it before

2197
02:14:47,240 --> 02:14:52,400
night, but y'all are not I I was
like, oh the shade episode.

2198
02:14:52,480 --> 02:14:54,880
Everybody is throwing shade and
I love it.

2199
02:14:55,280 --> 02:14:59,240
I had mentioned before the I the
the maidens run everywhere.

2200
02:15:00,120 --> 02:15:02,400
They don't get tired, they run
everywhere.

2201
02:15:03,200 --> 02:15:05,480
They look at people riding
horses like what is wrong with

2202
02:15:05,480 --> 02:15:07,960
y'all?
Because look, let me tell you,

2203
02:15:08,080 --> 02:15:11,520
all this walking they were
doing, I was getting tired

2204
02:15:11,960 --> 02:15:17,720
because you have to imagine they
are walking probably hundreds of

2205
02:15:17,720 --> 02:15:20,120
miles.
Because I haven't looked at a

2206
02:15:20,120 --> 02:15:21,600
map.
I know there's a map out there.

2207
02:15:21,600 --> 02:15:26,080
I'm going to take a look at it,
But trying to figure out how far

2208
02:15:26,080 --> 02:15:31,840
it is from Tarbelon to the aisle
waste and all of the things that

2209
02:15:31,840 --> 02:15:35,000
they were walking through and
over, over the hills and through

2210
02:15:35,000 --> 02:15:36,800
the woods to grandmother's
house, we go.

2211
02:15:37,040 --> 02:15:40,040
That's a lot of walking.
I couldn't do it.

2212
02:15:40,200 --> 02:15:43,400
I'd be dead.
Well, yeah, I'm I'm.

2213
02:15:45,040 --> 02:15:47,080
And they didn't.
They didn't cheat and use the

2214
02:15:47,080 --> 02:15:50,440
Waze.
Well they didn't cheat use Waze,

2215
02:15:50,440 --> 02:15:52,520
but there might be some cheating
involved.

2216
02:15:53,480 --> 02:15:58,600
You know Wayne has access to the
one power, Moraine has her stat

2217
02:15:58,600 --> 02:16:03,680
boots from land, Land has his
stat boots, Ran has access to

2218
02:16:03,680 --> 02:16:11,400
the one power, and Aviendo's IEO
made another spear so they they

2219
02:16:11,400 --> 02:16:13,040
going to move at a pretty good
clip.

2220
02:16:13,600 --> 02:16:16,760
OK.
Oh yeah, Because I think I

2221
02:16:16,760 --> 02:16:21,680
remember from the first season,
the one power kind of gave

2222
02:16:21,680 --> 02:16:25,440
Moraine a little bit of extra
energy so she didn't get tired

2223
02:16:25,440 --> 02:16:27,960
up until she got attacked.
But.

2224
02:16:28,040 --> 02:16:34,480
And, and if she really wanted
to, this is a lot, but she could

2225
02:16:34,480 --> 02:16:37,000
actually be boosting them with
one power.

2226
02:16:38,440 --> 02:16:40,959
She does have that.
They do have that ability to do

2227
02:16:40,959 --> 02:16:41,920
that.
OK.

2228
02:16:42,600 --> 02:16:44,400
So.
OK.

2229
02:16:44,760 --> 02:16:49,440
Just saying it, it may not be as
daunting as we think it is and

2230
02:16:49,440 --> 02:16:51,320
there might be a little bit of
cheating involved.

2231
02:16:51,760 --> 02:16:54,200
OK.
So because there are times in

2232
02:16:54,200 --> 02:16:57,200
the books when Rand was riding
his horse and he would use the

2233
02:16:57,200 --> 02:17:00,840
one power to kind of boost the
horse a little bit so they could

2234
02:17:00,840 --> 02:17:02,080
do that.
OK.

2235
02:17:04,160 --> 02:17:06,320
They they may not even realize
she's doing it.

2236
02:17:06,360 --> 02:17:08,680
That that's the thing.
Right.

2237
02:17:08,920 --> 02:17:11,799
Well, I mean, if they if they
notice that Co covering a couple

2238
02:17:11,799 --> 02:17:16,000
of 100 miles in the day, they
they might notice, but we don't,

2239
02:17:16,000 --> 02:17:18,520
we don't know how long this
journey is taking them.

2240
02:17:18,559 --> 02:17:22,160
So yeah.
OK, so y'all young we all were

2241
02:17:22,160 --> 02:17:25,879
saying talking about Elida like
running for they're trying to be

2242
02:17:25,879 --> 02:17:28,080
ambulance seat again.
All I could hear was her

2243
02:17:28,080 --> 02:17:32,360
sounding like Trump, like the
black Asia have taken over.

2244
02:17:33,080 --> 02:17:36,920
The Asia are here.
If I if I was the ambulance

2245
02:17:36,920 --> 02:17:39,879
seat, I would take care of
everything.

2246
02:17:40,639 --> 02:17:43,799
I would handle it.
The tower would be closed.

2247
02:17:43,879 --> 02:17:48,440
Why would you even mention that
idiot on this show Like.

2248
02:17:48,760 --> 02:17:52,200
Why she's in red?
She has a really weird voice.

2249
02:17:52,360 --> 02:17:54,879
It's the same.
Thing she doesn't her voice is

2250
02:17:54,879 --> 02:17:56,879
not weird I take.
Offense to that I'm kidding.

2251
02:17:57,240 --> 02:17:59,240
No, he was.
He was pounding Donald Trump.

2252
02:18:01,719 --> 02:18:05,400
The ambulance.
Y'all have dirtied my podcast

2253
02:18:05,400 --> 02:18:08,120
with the mention of that name.
Not once.

2254
02:18:08,200 --> 02:18:10,920
But.
She has such a beautiful voice.

2255
02:18:11,480 --> 02:18:16,200
She does, she does.
So I was so excited when I saw

2256
02:18:16,200 --> 02:18:19,400
that they cast her was like, oh,
what is she going to do now?

2257
02:18:19,400 --> 02:18:24,240
Because she is like, if you are
a science fiction or fantasy

2258
02:18:24,240 --> 02:18:30,400
person, not even just that, just
her and whatever, she is just

2259
02:18:30,400 --> 02:18:34,440
always amazing.
So I was like when I when I saw

2260
02:18:34,639 --> 02:18:38,440
who she was and I asked Anthony,
I said, OK, so who is it

2261
02:18:38,440 --> 02:18:42,360
lightest?
So that he was like, yeah, I was

2262
02:18:42,360 --> 02:18:47,080
like, oh, OK, OK, so she's going
to have a deliciously maybe

2263
02:18:47,080 --> 02:18:52,639
evil, maybe not so evil, maybe
kind of on the fences roll.

2264
02:18:52,760 --> 02:18:54,840
I'm here for it.
I'm just.

2265
02:18:54,840 --> 02:18:56,799
Let's just say that typical.
Rain nausea.

2266
02:18:57,320 --> 02:19:00,799
Yeah, that, that same taste in
your mouth, that Liangelis.

2267
02:19:01,879 --> 02:19:06,000
Yeah, Eliza said.
Same text.

2268
02:19:07,240 --> 02:19:10,920
Yay.
OK, well, at least I get to

2269
02:19:10,920 --> 02:19:13,120
listen to her voice while she
does it.

2270
02:19:13,120 --> 02:19:19,559
And she plays a deliciously evil
character like I saw her in.

2271
02:19:19,840 --> 02:19:22,760
I'm trying to think, what did I
see her recently when she was,

2272
02:19:22,840 --> 02:19:27,120
oh, Renfield?
She was the bad guy in Renfield.

2273
02:19:27,120 --> 02:19:33,000
And that shit was so funny.
I was like, you know, she does,

2274
02:19:33,080 --> 02:19:37,000
she does evil really well.
So if that's the vibe she's

2275
02:19:37,000 --> 02:19:39,520
bringing to this show, I'm here
for it.

2276
02:19:39,920 --> 02:19:42,440
She's also a bad guy in Penguin
too.

2277
02:19:42,840 --> 02:19:45,520
In the Penguin.
That I have not had a chance to

2278
02:19:45,520 --> 02:19:46,760
watch it, but.
We.

2279
02:19:46,879 --> 02:19:47,920
We'll get to that.
We.

2280
02:19:49,360 --> 02:19:51,480
I, I will.
I know, I know, I know.

2281
02:19:51,880 --> 02:19:56,640
Now she she played a good guy in
Mass Effect to the video game

2282
02:19:56,640 --> 02:19:58,560
so.
Oh, OK, OK.

2283
02:19:58,880 --> 02:20:01,400
She's a good guy in that.
And then she was in.

2284
02:20:02,560 --> 02:20:05,720
I recently watched Star Trek
Beyond.

2285
02:20:06,240 --> 02:20:09,720
For the first.
Time because we were getting

2286
02:20:09,720 --> 02:20:12,200
ready for a stellar fest,
Stellar Fest convention.

2287
02:20:12,200 --> 02:20:15,360
That was last weekend and I was
prepping for one of Anthony and

2288
02:20:15,360 --> 02:20:19,480
Nick's panels and they were
talking about the Kelvin

2289
02:20:19,480 --> 02:20:22,160
timeline Star Trek's.
And I'm sitting here looking,

2290
02:20:22,160 --> 02:20:25,840
I'm like, I don't think I
remember this movie, but I know

2291
02:20:25,840 --> 02:20:28,240
I'm a fan of those films.
So I was trying to figure out

2292
02:20:28,240 --> 02:20:30,360
why I had to watch that movie.
And then she popped up.

2293
02:20:30,360 --> 02:20:34,480
I was like, Oh, no, I definitely
would have remembered if she was

2294
02:20:34,480 --> 02:20:36,840
in this movie.
Like, why did I not watch it?

2295
02:20:36,840 --> 02:20:40,480
And then I realized that movie
came out like two months after

2296
02:20:40,480 --> 02:20:43,600
Anton Yelchin passed, and I
couldn't watch it.

2297
02:20:43,600 --> 02:20:46,440
And I just never went back to
watch it because I couldn't at

2298
02:20:46,440 --> 02:20:47,920
that time, I couldn't watch them
on screen.

2299
02:20:48,080 --> 02:20:50,120
So yeah, but she was in that
too.

2300
02:20:50,120 --> 02:20:53,440
So yeah, she she does.
She does good characters well,

2301
02:20:53,440 --> 02:20:55,520
she does evil characters even
better.

2302
02:20:55,720 --> 02:20:58,760
So I'm just, I'm looking for,
especially if she's bringing

2303
02:20:58,760 --> 02:21:03,200
that kind of energy because
yeah, we can't stand Leandra's

2304
02:21:03,200 --> 02:21:06,320
character, but she's a fun
character to hate.

2305
02:21:07,160 --> 02:21:10,360
So I'm looking forward to
directing that energy towards

2306
02:21:10,360 --> 02:21:13,840
another character.
It'll be great, It'll be fine.

2307
02:21:14,760 --> 02:21:17,240
So you guys have any final
thoughts on this episode?

2308
02:21:18,920 --> 02:21:23,040
Now I'm clear.
Clear all right, well, in that

2309
02:21:23,040 --> 02:21:26,000
case, that is it for our show.
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2310
02:21:26,000 --> 02:21:30,080
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2311
02:21:30,080 --> 02:21:31,800
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2312
02:21:32,120 --> 02:21:34,120
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2313
02:21:34,120 --> 02:21:36,720
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2314
02:21:36,720 --> 02:21:39,640
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2315
02:21:39,960 --> 02:21:41,400
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2316
02:21:41,400 --> 02:22:15,040
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