The Wheel of Time Season 3 Episode 3 - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #350

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What's up, hybrids?
Welcome back to another episode

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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast.
This is Hanukkah and I'm here

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with Anthony and we are
discussing season 3, Episode 3

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of the Wheel of Time series.
And unfortunately, Mike is not

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joining us tonight because he's
off recording a panel for one of

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the Dragon contracts.
That's a valid excuse.

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It's a valid excuse and I would
say I will speak for him when it

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comes to the Matt part of this
segment because I know that he

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was hyped at the end of this
episode when Matt got his other

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shining moments.
So Mike, we representing you.

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But anyway, let's start this
off.

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So I think when we discussed
episode 2, I don't think Mike

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was fully aware that he was kind
of calling it right when he said

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that Gabriel was probably a
forsaken.

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I mean, you know, I knew because
we had already seen the episode,

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but.
Well, yeah, but even when, even

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before, when I watched episode
and I knew you hadn't watched it

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yet, I wanted to tell you so
bad.

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I was like, Oh, my God, they did
it because, you know, we all

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know already the book readers,
we already already know.

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And they do a good job of, of
dropping a few little things

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that Mike picked up on.
Like it just seemed a little

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weird that Leanna was like, Lord
Developers was like, oh, Lord

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Gabriel.
Yeah.

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And even when Elaine came up to
him, she was just like Gabriel.

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And I was like, what was this
weird before I, you know, before

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all of that, What was that weird
pause?

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And it just seemed, it just
seemed kind of weird for those

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two, especially because of, like
I said, Leanna is one of the

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probably one of the most
Immaculate people on this show,

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not just in her manner of dress,
but just the way she presents

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herself.
Like she makes no mistakes.

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So for her to do that in front
of the hall, it was kind of

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like, OK, maybe not quite a red
flag.

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It might have been like a pink
flag, like somewhere in between,

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just kind of like, hmm, OK,
something's not right about

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that.
And then when Elaine did it, it

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was weird.
But I think the interesting

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thing about all of that is when.
So when he is presented to

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Salon, Salon is like, off the
bat, she was like, Lord Gabriel,

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it's such a pleasure to see you
as always.

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And I was like, wow, is she
really that susceptible to

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compulsion?
Yeah, again, they don't have a,

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they don't have a defense to it.
They don't even know how to do

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it.
I don't.

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They don't even know what it is.
Yeah, and I get that part, but

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I.
Think.

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I think the thing for me is the
fact that Liana and Elaine both

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hesitated before addressing him
and Salon was just kind of like

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you doing like there was no,
there was no moment of who is

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this person?
So I just wonder if that has if

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that might signal how strong or
her how weak her mind may be

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towards compulsion as opposed to
other people.

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It it's probably more of a sign
of the kind of personality you

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may have, because Leanna's
personality is to be very

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stringent and strict and hard
headed, right?

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Elaine is sort of the same way.
Swan had already admitted that

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she had kind of gotten
lackadaisical in her position.

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Right.
So she probably not.

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Maybe a younger swan would
probably be slightly resistant

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to it, but not this version.
OK, she's So if if you were to

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if you were to tell me this or
say that to me, I would like, I

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could buy that.
I also don't want to put it past

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the writers for doing it just so
they can plant the idea in our

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heads that something isn't
right.

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Yeah.
And the other thing I was

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thinking was the other I guess
kind of sort of explanation

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could be that what whatever he
does for compulsion, like I'm

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going to assume that he's
probably sending out his own

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weaves.
But again, we can't see them.

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I was thinking that maybe when
Leanna stumbled, he sent

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something out across the room
like, OK, this is who I am and

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this is what y'all know about
me.

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And maybe that's why Suwan
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Leanna spoke before Suan did.
So at that point, whatever he

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was, he was still implanting.
Yeah, it it it already kind of

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planted in her head.
But either way, though, it was

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just it was really weird.
But now we know the reason

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because he is one of the
Forsaken.

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And they confirmed that in the
opening scene of this episode

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where you have land fair him and
Samael was the other one.

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And it's interesting watching
land Fear with these other two

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Forsaken because she very much
seems in control of this

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situation when she's talking to
them and when she's talking

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about Mogadian and she's telling
them, OK, yeah, we need to kind

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of watch for her and Robin,
which is Gabriel's Forsaken

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name.
He was like, are we supposed to

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be scared of her?
She was like, look, she is

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probably dangerous because what
she's doing is she's kind of

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working her way up all the way
to the top.

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She'll probably, she said to
Samuel, she said she'll probably

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start with you because you're
the weakest of us all, and then

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she'll work her way up to me.
And she used a term that I meant

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to write down.
Nabeless.

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Yes.
What is that?

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Nabeless is the title given to
the the one the Dark One talks

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to their leader.
So yes, Shamaya was the nablist.

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OK.
Before he died or quote UN quote

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died and everybody.
Keeps saying he died, Landfair

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says he died.
Everybody else says he's died.

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I think he's dead.
Well, the The Dark 1 hasn't

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named the new 1 yet.
This is true.

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This is true.
And has already given them the

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ability to be immortal so.
Yeah, but I find it interesting.

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So again, this is like a month
after they have been set free.

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So this is where landfills like,
oh, you have lipstick on your on

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your collar.
You already have someone in your

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bed.
You've only been free for a

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month.
He was like, yeah, well, anybody

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who meets me and her talking
about queen more gays, they

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think that we've been hopelessly
in love for the past 10 years.

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And I was just like, wow.
Because literally everybody

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like, what was it that Elaine
said in the last episode?

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The most the most well liked
Prince, Queen Consort.

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Queen Consort.
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So I was like, oh, OK, so they
have their little powwow and

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they're talking about dynamics,
about ho oh how we need to team

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up against Mogadian because
she's going to come for us all

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and blah blah, blah, blah, blah.
Then when Samael and Laffy or

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leave, who comes out the
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Softly, softly from the.
Shadows but Mogadian and I was

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like this dude, he is playing
all the angles and again she

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when she walks up to him and
she's kind of like it's almost

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like she's trying to be
childlike in her in her

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appearance and and the way she
acts.

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But there's something so
sinister about her and it's just

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so, it's so disarming because
when you look at her and she

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talks with a soft voice like
this and da, da, da, da, da.

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And she kind of sings songs, a
lot of her lines and just she

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comes across like she's
innocent.

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But then all you have to do is
look at her eyes.

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Her eyes are not.
She is not there.

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No, she's.
Not all there.

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And I was just like, OK, so.
Please stop flickering with the

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shadows.
She's, she's yeah, she's crazy.

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But we, we get, we get some
pretty good exposition, though.

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Like, you know, the last time we
did this, we spend more time

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fighting each other, you know,
and she already is Celine or I'm

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sorry, Lanfiere is already
putting like wedges.

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She didn't invite Semiraj and
Grendel to the meeting.

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Like what?
What is that about?

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Like you, you.
And of course, it was like Gabe

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was like, well, I'll just send
them your regards and let them

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know where the plan is.
And she's like, wait, what?

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Yeah, because what Samuel said
something to him by you always

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prattling and talking to people.
And Laffer was like ever the

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politician.
And when he said that, he looked

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at, Samuel said, you know,
because I'm always prattling

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with somebody else.
So, but you see, he's he's

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playing, he's got his stuff, you
know, he's got his little

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alliance with Lance, Fear and
Samuel, and he got his alliance

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with Grendel and Samrage and he
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So he he playing all the sides.
But like they said they they're

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trying to do, a couple of them
were trying to do things

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differently than the last time
because didn't work out for

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them.
Yeah, and like Mogadian said,

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she said I don't want to spend
another 3000 years in someone's

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cage.
Yeah, she was like, you know,

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because I think was it Landfair
or was it Raven who called her a

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coward?
And she was like coward.

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He was like, well, you know, I
had, you know, she also said you

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were smart.
And she said, yeah, I have to

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be.
I don't want to spend 3000 years

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in somebody else's cage.
Yeah, like, yeah, this is going

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to be interesting to see how how
that dynamic with the Forsaken

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happened.
But let me ask you a question.

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What is the pecking order for
the for second in the books From

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the from least dangerous to most
dangerous?

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In the books, well, that's hard.
Well, of the ones who we're

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being presented with, because
there are 13 total, but they're

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only bringing in eight for the
show.

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OK.
OK, so of the ones that we have,

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Ishmael was probably the most
powerful #1 landfill will be #2

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so he is as powerful as any man
could be with the one power, and

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she is as powerful as any woman
could be.

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Yeah.
OK.

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And then because how many?
I still have hopes that Asmodian

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would be 1, but anyway.
And then maybe Robin.

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OK.
And then?

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Which that makes sense to me
because if you're forming

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alliances with all of the other
ones separately, you're probably

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smarter than the average person
as far as you're using very

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tactical skills, as far as like,
OK, let me not put all my eggs

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in one basket.
Hold on.

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Let let me back up.
Let me back up.

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OK, In the books it would be
probably Ishmael, Lamphier,

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maybe Cimarrog, Grendel, Van
Robin and Van Moghedian.

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And where does Samayel fall in
that?

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Him.
Him.

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And in the book, he's probably
right around, right around

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Robin.
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So.
But in the show, clearly

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Lamphere is 2, as she should be,
and Meganian is the weakest, as

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she should be.
OK, now here's the question

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additionally that I have.
It seems to me as if we're

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missing 1 Forsaking because
every time they talk about the

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Forsaken, even when Landfill is
talking about the Forsaken, when

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she had conversations with
Ishmael, when she's had

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conversations with Moraine, she
always mentions 6.

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They always mention six.
So aside from Landfill, you have

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Raven, Samael, Mogadian, and
then Grendel and the other one

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that you mentioned, there's one
that they haven't mentioned yet.

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Who is that?
It's probably Asmolian.

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OK.
But I don't know because it's

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it's hard, it's hard to to
figure it out because they're

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it's probably Asmodian, but that
makes 7 and then landfill would

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make 8.
OK.

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Right.
So it's probably Asmodian or it

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could be the Madrid because
there's there's another one who

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who really doesn't show up in
the book until the end.

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And one of the questions in the
book is where the hell is he?

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Like what is he doing?
What is what is going on?

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He shows up at the end.
Does he have the same name as

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Moraine's last name?
Did you just?

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Say it's very it's very close.
Oh, OK.

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It's like the mandred or
something like.

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That oh OK, OK, nice.
It's.

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Very.
It's very close.

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They're spelled very similarly.
I always get confused but no

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it's he's not in that's that's
his first name.

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Oh, OK.
Well, that's his forsaken name.

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OK.
The the the mandred or something

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like that.
The Mandred.

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OK, OK.
I would have to see it.

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It's been a while, but I have to
see it.

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OK, yeah.
So yeah, I I kept thinking about

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that because I'm like when
Lanfiere talks, she says the 6th

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because even when she was
talking to Master Dolman and

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Thong, she was telling him about
the I forgot what he the.

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Seagulls.
The yes and the seagulls,

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something about I'll have six of
them for you to throw overboard.

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And I was like, OK, she keeps
saying 666, but we've only had

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five names, so I'm like, OK,
whoever this last one is, that's

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going to be the one.
I feel that when they introduce

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it, it's going to turn
everything on its head because

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they're doing so much to keep
the identity of that 61

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concealed.
OK, I did a quick search.

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There's one that they haven't
mentioned by name, so that could

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be either be Asmodian or
Damodrid.

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OK, it probably won't be Agonor
and Bilal because they die very

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early.
Oh OK, books.

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I think they die in the Eye of
the world in that battle and

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Masonic could be the other one
she in the book she hid in the

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tower.
Oh.

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And that's all I'm going to say.
See you saying that.

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There are three potential the
three potential forsaken that

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the the last one could be
Asmodean, the Madrid and Masana.

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It probably won't be.
If they do anything, they'll

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combine the Madrid and Asmodean.
OK.

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But it depends on some events
that happen later.

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Right, OK.
And I was going to say what you

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just said about her hiding in
the tower.

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I was going to be like, oh,
that's the one who's been

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composing.
But no, because she was, she was

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sealed up until a month ago, so
she wouldn't have had anything

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to do with that.
But that's still.

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But remember, they're all really
good at compulsion.

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Yeah.
So even if she could do what

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Robin did and she could have
been there a month and they

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think she's been a novice for
six months.

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Yeah, but now I was just
thinking like, we still haven't

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figured out who compulsed Sherry
and Sadai.

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Yeah, because that would have
had to be really good because

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Naomi is not that good.
Yeah, with with the compulsion

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she's doing is like whoever
whoever showed her how to do it

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or however she figured it out is
it's still they didn't even they

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they didn't show her exactly how
to do it.

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And I don't think she what she's
doing is really considered

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compulsion because compulsion is
really when you're making

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someone do something else.
She is doing more of the memory

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altering thing, like she's
making people forget things.

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Well, compulsion is, is a you're
messing with a person's memory

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and their state of being.
Because you see, Gabriel has

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used it to Robin has used it to
implant memories in everybody's

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head, not just to make them do
things.

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Yeah.
So that is a that is a form of

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compulsion.
So they didn't show her who

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whoever showed her, however, she
feed it out is not a perfect

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form.
So she's she's got the memory

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part imperfectly where she
alters.

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She can't really alter memories.
She can blast them away.

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It's almost like what is the one
in Harry Potter Obliviate.

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Yeah.
Yeah, it's like Obliviate with

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Ron's wand.
OK, but you know that if you

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think about what we've seen of
Naomi in this particular episode

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when when they are in Tan Chico
and she makes the the girl

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forget even when she's doing
that, Leandron tells her she was

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like, you know, you can she can
make you forget some things.

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And Naomi says it's not exact,
like she'll forget more than

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just this.
So she didn't have precise

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control over which she's.
Doing Yeah.

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So if you think about it, maybe
that could explain her doing

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Sharium, said I because when
Sharium was having the

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conversation with Baron and she
was trying to determine where

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Elaine and I need were, it's
almost like she was struggling

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to remember.
I remember.

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And I think if Naomi's, if her
ability is imperfect, then that

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could explain that because you
would think if she could control

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it, she would plant the memory
to Sharon's.

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Not like, Oh yeah, I signed them
out and it would have been a

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little more, maybe a little more
flawless than we thought.

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So I guess that does make sense,
especially now since we know.

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Kind of the extent of what these
Black Aja women are are willing

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to do and how far they're
willing to go.

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And I remember I said something
about them not knowing.

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They do know of compulsion, they
just don't know how to do it

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because remember, they're like,
it seems like Sharim.

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So that was, well, they don't.
They don't know how to do it

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though.
Maybe they have experimented

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with it to try to figure it out,
but it's very dangerous even to

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experiment with.
Yeah, because she's a brown

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Osher, so she probably has been
stuck in the library reading,

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trying.
To reading about.

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How to do certain things like,
OK, well I know that this gift

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or this skill has been lost, let
me see if I can find out how to

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do it.
And maybe that's why it's

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imperfect for her, too.
Yeah, and who knows who she's

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been experimenting on?
That right?

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A lot of people walking around
with messed up memories and

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stuff.
Right.

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Or maybe some novices that she's
like, OK, nobody's going to pay

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attention to what they say
anyway.

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How many stilled men that
they've been studying that she's

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done it to?
Ah.

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Yes, because that's what they do
when they.

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That's what the ground out of
them.

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And OK.
That's a lot to think about.

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It is.
And that that makes her more

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diabolical.
Yeah, And I mean, even even when

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we see her in this episode, she
looks a little more, she does

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look a little more diabolical,
to use that term, because when

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we first met her, she seemed
like a sweet girl, you know, oh,

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very.
And blah, blah, blah, da da, da.

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And then when we saw her in the
first episode, it's almost like

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she had a complete personality
change.

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And then in this episode, it
just seemed like she seemed

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more, I don't want to say angry.
She seemed like a much harder

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person, if I can say it that
way.

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She is just like when Leandra
was like, OK, alter her memory

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and she was like, OK, I can do
that, but it's not going to be

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the same.
And she does it.

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But before she even gets to that
part, when they start

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slaughtering everybody in the
house and Leandron calls her

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over, the look on her face when
she turns, oh, when she turns

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around, you could tell she was
enjoying what they.

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Were doing, yeah.
And I was just like, oh, this is

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it's just so weird to me to kind
of put together in my head that

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these are sisters who used to be
iced to die.

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They were supposed to be about
the light.

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They were supposed to be about
helping people, blah, blah,

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blah.
And now you turn completely on

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your head.
But then it also makes it easier

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for me to understand because the
forsaking used to also be

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Isodai, right?
Yes.

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So it's just like, wow, you can
take things kind of like what

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Mike has been saying.
You don't know who to trust.

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You know, the show makes you
think that these are the good

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people, and then they turn out
to be the bad people.

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And it's kind of like they're
showing us the path to get from

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A-Z.
I've been fighting this battle,

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you know, in the real world
about the Jedi and how people

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think the Jedi are evil now
because of act like it's the

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same with the eyes to that.
There's still people and they

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still have desires.
They still have wants, they

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still have ambition.
And you know, even we'll, we'll

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talk about talk about the two
stilled Black Aja sisters.

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One of them What what did she
say about the yellow Aja?

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She was like, how many people
did she think she was healing?

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But she was basically torturing
them.

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Yes.
Well, you can't take away who a

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person is inside of them, so of
course she would join the black

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object, you know, so she could
torture people.

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Yes, because that's what she
Yes, because she said, she said

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you're going to trust Amico.
How many people did she did she

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say that she was going to save?
And really she wasn't like, she

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basically she was lying to
people that she was supposed to

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be helping.
And then so it's.

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So even with the Forsaken, they
were all ambitious people who

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had who had things they wanted
and they couldn't get them as

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odds to die.
So the promise of more power and

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the ability to do what you want
to do, yeah, it's very powerful

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for people like that.
Yeah, and, and it it does

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corrupt power corrupts.
We always talk about it.

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Yeah, let's talk about it.
Power corrupts and.

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And especially if you make a
deal with the Dark One is

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definitely going to corrupt you.
That's his whole thing is.

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From Harry Potter as well.
So it's like when you think

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about it, a lot of these a lot
of these stores where you're

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always talking about good and
evil.

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And I think we had this
conversation on a previous show,

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you know, when we're kids, we
believe in the concept of good

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and evil.
And there is no middle ground.

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It's like the good people are
good, the bad people are bad.

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And, and those are the only two
ways to look at it.

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And then as we get older, as we
go through life, as we go

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through emotions and
relationships and, you know,

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jobs and trials and
disappointments and all that

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stuff, we start to learn that
the world is not black and

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white.
There are Shades of Grey.

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And I think that's the same
thing with any, with any subset

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that we talk about in in these
shows.

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There's yeah, you might have one
or two good people, really,

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really good people.
And then you might have one or

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two really, really bad people.
But then more often than not,

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you have people that are kind of
sort of in the middle, in the

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middle, you know, just come
thinking of just the first one

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that's coming to mind right now.
The whole thing with Captain

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America and the Super soldiers
and thinking about Zemo's

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argument about, yeah, the Super
soldier serum, it kind of makes

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you more of who you were.
Steve Rogers was already a good

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person through and through, so
it just made him more of that.

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And then you think about people
like Bucky, who he started out

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as good, and then because of
things that happened to him and

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him being brainwashed, he ended
up being bad.

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And now he's kind of sort of in
the middle because he still

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wants to be good.
But he could still turn on that

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Winter Soldier if he has to.
It's just, you know, with the

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eyes to die.
It's just, Oh my God, there's

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just there's so many layers to
them now, you know, that that

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we're seeing.
But anyway, so since we started

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talking about Naomi and the
black Aja, let's go there

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because when we see them.
You talk about a Red Wedding.

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Listen, the way they were coming
through those streets and

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they're all like dolled up and
Leandra looks like Christina

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Aguilera did in the Lady
Marmalade video with with the D

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Snyder hair and the red lace and
everything.

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That's who she reminded me of.
But all of them, they're coming

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through, they're very fancy.
They look like they've got, you

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know, they're all dressed up and
they've got somewhere to go.

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And what we find out is where
they have gone is I guess this

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is Lee Andrew's old home from
when she was a child.

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And we do see a little bit or we
hear a little bit of her out of

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her back story here because the
person there's a wedding going

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on and the guy who is getting
married, it's like the great,

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great grandson of the person who
was her husband and he is

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marrying a child bride and this.
Trigger.

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Talk about a trigger, Yeah?
Listen, I don't even know if

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trigger is strong enough for
words.

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I don't think it is either.
It's it's not, but she comes in

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and she interrupts the wedding
and when the guy says who he is,

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she's like, oh, you must be the
great, great grandson of the man

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I called husband.
She was like, but you know, he

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didn't treat me to a wedding,
you know, and my marriage bed

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was in the basically saying it
was in the dungeons.

445
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,720
And, you know, she kind of made
reference to the fact that he

446
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:23,800
was not pleased when he found
out she was going to, she was

447
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,480
pregnant.
And again, like I said, this is

448
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:28,240
triggering her.
And then when she goes over, she

449
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,440
looks at the bride, she lifts
the veil, she sees the child.

450
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,520
She's like another child.
And you could just see, I was

451
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,480
like, oh, it's about to be some
shit.

452
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:41,440
But I was not expecting the
carnage that they unleashed.

453
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,400
But I I would assume that all
the other people who were in

454
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,360
there were probably part of that
family.

455
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,240
And if she has those kinds of
feelings towards that family,

456
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:55,040
like the dude was like, get your
hands off of her, she's mine.

457
00:28:55,480 --> 00:29:00,720
The engine turned around and
with the one power stuck her

458
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:06,120
hand in this man's chest and
pulled his heart out.

459
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:13,840
I was like, Oh yes, Leandro
definitely has all of whatever,

460
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:18,320
whatever leash, whatever cage
she was in before where she kind

461
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,960
of held back.
Oh, she is holding nothing back

462
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,080
now.
Oh, she don't have to hide now.

463
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,400
Yeah, yeah, she.
Don't have to hide how she

464
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,600
really feels.
So she tore his heart out.

465
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:32,480
And then she looks at them and
she was like, what did she say?

466
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,240
Do your do your best or don't?
Oh, she said.

467
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:35,920
Don't hold.
Back.

468
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,320
Don't hold back, yeah.
Don't hold back.

469
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:43,240
And they went to town, killing
everybody who was there for that

470
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,040
wedding except for the bride.
And like we said, we had, she

471
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,640
had Naomi come and kind of take
those memories away from that

472
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,200
bride.
But I was just like, these are

473
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:56,240
some dangerous women 'cause she
only had what it was her, Naomi

474
00:29:56,560 --> 00:30:02,400
Jane, the cute little girl and.
It's been.

475
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,640
It's been.
I think it's been.

476
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:09,200
I think so.
So it was only like 5 of them

477
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,320
total, maybe 6.
Yeah.

478
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:15,040
And for them to do that damage
to Carnage, I was like, oh, I

479
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,120
don't know if this is going to
be a good thing.

480
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,480
Well, it's the one power versus
people who don't.

481
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,440
This is true.
And there is a green, I think

482
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:33,240
and the red, yeah, there.
And again, one power versus

483
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,240
people who don't, it's a
mismatch.

484
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:37,760
And none of those people in
there were warriors.

485
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:46,120
They're all nobility, probably.
Was Leanne, well we don't know

486
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,560
much about Leanne Jen's
so-called husband like this is

487
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:52,240
the first time she's actually
mentioned a husband.

488
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,960
So I was going to say was he
probably nobility as well?

489
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,960
Because.
This is a nice area that they're

490
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:03,280
having this wedding in.
This is the Manor and then it

491
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:09,000
has a dungeon, so it's probably
a Manor house, which he either

492
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:14,040
has money, which would mean he's
in the upper class.

493
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:17,600
So and it's a very old family
too.

494
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:26,640
So I'm, I mean, I'm making some
assumptions, but yeah, ain't

495
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,440
none of them warriors.
That's the bottom line.

496
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:33,120
Ain't nobody in there to fight.
No.

497
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:38,400
And and that's why I was like,
you kind of see that the black

498
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:42,080
Osher really are kind of, I
guess revealing who they are

499
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:43,920
because y'all didn't have to do
all of that.

500
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,120
Y'all could have killed them
easy and it could have been

501
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:50,040
quick.
It could have been not as messy.

502
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:55,600
But it's like you guys are free
to do whatever you want now and

503
00:31:55,600 --> 00:32:01,280
you are releasing that.
And it's like, oh, is this?

504
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,960
Is this who you were under,
under their eyes and eye mask

505
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,160
all alone.
Like you are reveling in being

506
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:12,920
bloody and being cruel and being
it was a lot.

507
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:14,840
Yeah.
It was a lot.

508
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,880
I mean, but I mean, we kind of
knew that from the first episode

509
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:21,120
because the fact that you could
be in the hall killing your

510
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,080
sisters the way that you did.
Like they split one girl in

511
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:29,120
half, split her in half.
And she was throwing those

512
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:30,600
things around.
They're like she was trying to

513
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:35,000
cut everybody in half.
So yeah.

514
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:39,840
OK, so we're going to stick a
pin in the black Ajas in Tan

515
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,880
Chico because we got to talk
about how we get to Tan Chico

516
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:46,400
and how we learned that this is
where Leandron is.

517
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,920
So we're going to take it back
to the tower because there's

518
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:51,960
also a lot going on in the
tower.

519
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:56,320
OK, So do we.
Do we want to talk about a light

520
00:32:56,320 --> 00:33:02,280
up to die because this chick.
She is OK.

521
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,000
We talked about the last
episode.

522
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,720
I love her to death.
The actress, yes, I'm not going

523
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:11,040
to try to sugar with the shy
Shura Agdashlu.

524
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:20,720
Shura Agdashlu, she is amazing
and Eliza is so manipulative.

525
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:24,240
Like every time she opens her
mouth I feel like I need to go

526
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:29,280
take a shower.
Yes, yes, but before we get into

527
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,760
her manipulative nature, I have
to ask what is the deal with the

528
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,520
bracelet and the shakes?
That's new.

529
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,840
That's original to this show.
Oh, OK, So you don't really know

530
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,240
what's going on with that.
OK, just so we know the the

531
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,440
bracelet does have some
significance because she says so

532
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,960
to men later on.
But because she was having the

533
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,120
shakes and I was like, what is
going on with her?

534
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,200
And I was like, is she being
possessed?

535
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,480
Is she just old and trying to
hide?

536
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,240
Like I didn't know what was
going on.

537
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,120
Let let me let me tell you
something.

538
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:08,000
So there are a lot of objects of
power floating around different

539
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,639
kind of terrain grill and sound
grill.

540
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,239
Some of them are small.
OK.

541
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:19,719
And sometimes they'll put them
on bracelets or necklaces, OK,

542
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:27,320
or hair Nets to increase their
power or be storage, thinking

543
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,120
like thumb drives, they will
hold power for you.

544
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:35,520
You can serve it away.
So, yeah, so it's possible.

545
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,320
I'm thinking that that is a
bracelet of some tarangrial.

546
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:43,159
OK, so angrial.
So angrial, so maybe.

547
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,239
OK.
But I don't know if that's what

548
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:50,800
she's using to help with her
health because usually when an

549
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:56,440
older person shakes like that,
because, mind you, she she was

550
00:34:56,440 --> 00:35:03,200
in the tower when someone and
Lorraine were novices and

551
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,520
they're damn near 100 years old.
So how old is she?

552
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:11,800
Yeah, you know, so.
And she could, she has something

553
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:13,840
and she doesn't want to be
healed or it may not be

554
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,800
something that can be healed,
who knows?

555
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:21,120
But it's obviously something and
the fact they focused on it and

556
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,800
the bracelet means it might be
related so.

557
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:27,800
Yeah, but I was also wondering
if maybe it has something to do

558
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,520
with the fact that later on in
the episode she reveals that

559
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:34,560
she's a seer.
I think she's lying, I think

560
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:35,680
she's lying.
I think she's being

561
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:39,040
manipulative.
You think so?

562
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,800
I think she was manipulating
men.

563
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:46,280
Because she talks about how she
had the vision about the Queen

564
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:50,880
of Andor having a very prominent
role in the last battle.

565
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,480
And she was like, yeah, you
know, So what did she tell me?

566
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:58,600
And she said, we can't, we can't
change our visions, but we can,

567
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,040
we don't have to sit by and just
watch it happen.

568
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:06,760
Like we can do things to kind
of, I, I guess, spur them along

569
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:10,440
or kind of place yourself into
whatever that is.

570
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,120
Because she was like, yeah, so I
went over there and I helped her

571
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:19,680
win her succession war and I.
Was OK if men knows anything and

572
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:24,720
I wish they would make not make
her character so gullible is

573
00:36:24,720 --> 00:36:30,120
that she knows her visions come
true period.

574
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:36,040
So usually people who get
visions, those visions are true.

575
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,560
Interpreting them can be
difficult.

576
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,160
Understanding them can be
difficult.

577
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:45,360
They're true.
So but you.

578
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,880
Don't think she's a seer.
I don't think she's a seer.

579
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:54,200
I don't because there's there's
too many things happening that

580
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:59,440
she isn't aware of or she's
still trying to figure stuff out

581
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:02,120
on her own.
Well, I guess.

582
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,640
But because.
Being a seer doesn't mean that

583
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:06,720
she knows everything that's
about to.

584
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,640
Happen No, no, no, it's not
about knowing everything and men

585
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:13,000
does say you know she's she's
trying to use it.

586
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,200
But the reason why I say I
believe that she's manipulative

587
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:21,360
is she's manipulating all these
situations in the tower.

588
00:37:21,720 --> 00:37:23,600
She knows that men is spying on
her.

589
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:28,360
How do how best to get on Men's
good side by being like, I have

590
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:32,000
something in common with you and
I know how much of a curse it

591
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,880
is, but there is something we
can do about it.

592
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:42,920
Lies, lies in lies.
Remember last episode I told you

593
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:47,720
if there's anyone in the book
who's more evil than Leandro?

594
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:52,200
Is.
The liar, but however, she

595
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:55,840
cannot lie, so she could be
telling the truth.

596
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,360
Yeah.
So I have to take that into

597
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,960
account.
I'm not holding outside the

598
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:03,840
possibility that she might be a
Black guys.

599
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,000
I could be, you know, Mike might
be on something.

600
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:08,240
She could be Black guys.
We don't know.

601
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,800
They could have changed it for
the show to make to simplify

602
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,480
things.
Yeah, because I was thinking

603
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:19,600
about what she was telling men
about, you know, she said one of

604
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:22,560
the things that she had seen.
I don't think she said it in so

605
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,440
many words, so that could go
into what you were saying.

606
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:30,600
But she was talking about how
the red, the sitter for the red

607
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:33,520
Asha, will call for a vote in
the tower, and it's the most

608
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,120
important vote in the tower's
history.

609
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:40,280
Swan Sanchez will lose.
And that means that a group of

610
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:46,560
eight Azadi will be sent to cage
the last dragon.

611
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,440
And I was like, OK, she's saying
this.

612
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,720
And then we see the scene where
she actually goes down.

613
00:38:52,720 --> 00:38:55,760
You know, she's gone down a
couple of times in this episode,

614
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:59,040
down to the red Asha.
And the first time she tries to

615
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:03,200
go, she's like giving them gifts
or she's bringing them gifts.

616
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:07,800
And it's so funny because
Sutama, when she gave her the

617
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:11,600
the necklace set, Sutama looked
at and she was like, you keep it

618
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:13,760
a lighter.
So that I that's a bit too

619
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,800
guarded for me, but it, it, it's
perfect for you.

620
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,400
I'm telling you the shade these
women are throwing at each other

621
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,640
in the last few episodes, they
make me laugh.

622
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:29,360
But it it's kind of like that.
Yes, I see the manipulation in

623
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:31,520
that because here you are trying
to buy your gifts.

624
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:34,320
And so Tommy even says that.
So she was like, So what are you

625
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,040
hoping to buy with these gifts?
What do you want?

626
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:38,040
And she was like, I don't want
anything.

627
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:43,040
I just want the red Asha to be
back elevated to where they used

628
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:44,920
to be.
So I'm assuming that the red

629
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:50,360
Asha weren't always as despised
as they are.

630
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,160
Or maybe they were despised but
it didn't matter because they

631
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:56,320
were kind of at the top of the
pecking order.

632
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,640
That's the way Elida is making
it seem.

633
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:04,120
And the Oz, we think there Oz is
at the top of the picking order.

634
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:11,320
But she kept mentioning, like,
she kept making it seem like the

635
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:15,760
red Osher now, like in squalor.
She was like, oh, yeah, I had

636
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,560
been out here in a while.
If I had if I had waited a few

637
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:20,480
more years, I wouldn't even
recognize it like.

638
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:24,240
Well they they they've been
pushed out of the of being in

639
00:40:24,240 --> 00:40:31,040
the hall a couple of Times Now.
So and and so to any real eyes

640
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:35,880
like her who had tried almost
become Armourland, it would be a

641
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,680
problem that y'all can't even
stay in the hall.

642
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:43,040
Like y'all let someone treat
y'all like this, yeah?

643
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:47,120
But when you got one of your
when your one of your ages has

644
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:50,000
become a dark friend and she's
corrupted other people around

645
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:51,560
her, like, what would you
expect?

646
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,680
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, they also mentioned that

647
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:58,440
to her, she was because Sutama
was like, this is not the time

648
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:02,000
for us to be making waves,
especially after Leandra and

649
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,080
Eliza is like, that's the best
time to make waves.

650
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:10,520
I'm like.
And and, and the other thing,

651
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,440
another way that I said I get
around is lying things.

652
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,720
If they believe they're lies,
then there are truths.

653
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:22,000
So if she's, she could be having
dreams of the future and she

654
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,600
calls them foretellings.
And if she believes that their

655
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,360
foretellings and their
foretellings and she's not

656
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:31,200
lying.
So there's that.

657
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:35,880
And in her plan, she really
believes her plan is going to

658
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:40,480
work.
So her plan is to have a vote in

659
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:45,240
the tower to the polls, small
sunshine, so she can tell them,

660
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:47,720
tell me this is what's going to
happen.

661
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,880
Because in her mind, she has
already made-up her mind is

662
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,400
going to happen.
She's been around for a long

663
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,040
time.
She knows how to get around

664
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,000
this.
You can't tell a lie.

665
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:01,400
You know, type of thing.
Yeah, most of them do, right,

666
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:02,240
so.
She really?

667
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,000
Believes that.
This is how it's going.

668
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,800
You made me think of.
I know I'm doing the mic

669
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:11,960
reference thing in Star Trek
2009.

670
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:19,880
Captain Pike is walking with
with the engineer, Kirk and Sulu

671
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:24,040
and he's like, y'all are going
to jump 10,000 feet down to the

672
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,320
platform.
Y'all are going to beat them.

673
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:29,560
Y'all are going to disable the
drill and we're going to get out

674
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:32,440
of here.
He didn't say this is the plan.

675
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:34,320
He told them what they're going
to do.

676
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:36,600
So this is sort of what she's
doing.

677
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,200
This is what's going to happen
and she believes it.

678
00:42:39,720 --> 00:42:44,440
So of course she doesn't know it
for a fact, but in her mind it

679
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,840
is a fact because it's going to
happen and she puts all these

680
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:50,240
things in place to make it
happen.

681
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:56,720
OK, She she, she gets the leader
sent away because of course men

682
00:42:56,720 --> 00:43:01,680
went running back to tell she
run till that to get the sitter

683
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:04,000
out.
So you know.

684
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:07,320
Oh, you know what?
I didn't even put that together

685
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:11,160
because of the fact that when,
when Leanna comes down and she

686
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,280
tells her, yeah, we're going to
go, we're going to send you

687
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:17,040
across the, you know, across the
world to go.

688
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,160
It's all there to get my
husband.

689
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:22,520
Yeah, the the false, yeah.
The False Dragon.

690
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:26,160
I didn't even think about the
fact that that was even related.

691
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:29,760
I was just like, oh, she got it
wrong, but Oh yeah, 'cause if

692
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:33,920
men went back and said, well,
this is what she told me because

693
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:37,640
men is there as a spy.
You know what?

694
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:39,880
I didn't even, I didn't even put
that.

695
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:41,280
Together.
You didn't put it together.

696
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:42,000
Yeah, that's.
Why?

697
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:43,920
That's why she said all that
stuff to me.

698
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,440
And man comes in, she's like,
yeah, I know you're here to spy

699
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:50,800
on me, but here I'm your friend.
We have something in common.

700
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:53,120
And this is I'm going to tell
you what I'm going to do.

701
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:54,800
Actually, this is what's going
to happen.

702
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:59,720
And so she goes and tells.
And of course, Swan makes a move

703
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,920
to get them out so she can't
call for a vote.

704
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:08,080
But then she's down there when
that happens and she's like, oh,

705
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,280
we're going to need a new sitter
temporarily.

706
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:16,160
Because the other girl, I feel
like is probably more pliable to

707
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:21,760
what Elida wants to do as a, as
opposed to Sutama.

708
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:25,480
Cause Sutama is basically like,
we don't like you.

709
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:28,680
We don't want you down here.
And she's all high and proper

710
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:32,320
and like, really Tooting her
nose up at a light and light is

711
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:36,240
like, yeah, OK, I'm gonna get
you out of here so I can work

712
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:41,800
what needs to be done.
So OK, OK, I get it.

713
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:43,960
I I see it now.
You seeing that?

714
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:47,040
Yeah.
Eliza is slippery, slippery,

715
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:49,240
slippery I.
Do still think that maybe she

716
00:44:49,240 --> 00:44:51,840
could be a seer, but you know
she.

717
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,120
Probably.
She probably is to some degree.

718
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:59,000
And she says it's not like men.
So she does say that her her

719
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:02,800
visions or her discerning she.
Says foretellings.

720
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,080
Yeah.
Now whether she believe is a

721
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:13,080
foretelling to just be a dream,
you know, just saying I wouldn't

722
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:16,960
put it past her that she's not
being OK.

723
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:21,320
I won't say that she's lying.
I would say she's being.

724
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:24,240
She's not.
Being evasive.

725
00:45:24,720 --> 00:45:26,600
Evasive, that's what.
She's being evasive.

726
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:29,320
She's not being evasive and
she's not being terribly

727
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,640
specific because remember, they
talk.

728
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,600
Marine does it all the time.
You talking generalities.

729
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:38,960
You don't answer the question
that you're asked, You answer a

730
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:40,480
different question that wasn't
asked.

731
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:45,600
So, OK, OK.
And if they believe?

732
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:50,480
It to be, if they believe it to
be true, then it's not a lie.

733
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:53,760
So she really couldn't believe
that she's having foretellings

734
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:57,600
and she's not.
OK, OK, that gives me something

735
00:45:57,600 --> 00:45:59,800
to think about with her
character.

736
00:46:00,240 --> 00:46:07,120
But even following that with her
character, when she comes up to

737
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:13,520
try to see someone again, the
shade these women are throwing

738
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:17,720
at each other in these episodes
is just hilarious because she's

739
00:46:17,720 --> 00:46:21,800
like, oh, Darren, what brings
you up here to these high to

740
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:25,040
these high walls or whatever,
Just basically saying, why are

741
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:26,920
you not down in the basement
where you blow?

742
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:33,760
And Darren was like, well, you
know, I, I mean, I can't even

743
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:36,480
remember the retort.
But Darren, I will say she's

744
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:40,800
very quick on the uptake.
And when she and, and, and Liana

745
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:44,040
even more so because when Eliza
tries to go past him with

746
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:46,520
Liana's like, excuse me, slow
your roll.

747
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:48,680
What you doing to me?
Do you have an appointment?

748
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:51,800
Right.
She was like, I, you know, I

749
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:53,280
would like to speak to the
amulet.

750
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,440
You need to have an appointment
where I would like to request a

751
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:59,320
private audience, as all sisters
are able to do, She said

752
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:03,000
sitters, not sisters.
You, you, you mistake, you

753
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,560
mistake one of the the letters
in that word.

754
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:09,120
She was like, now if you want to
go find a sitter to come up here

755
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:11,400
and request the private
audience, I will pass that

756
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:16,880
request along to her.
And what a lot of says, oh, she

757
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:21,640
said to Vera, she was like,
cross me now and I'll make pay

758
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:24,040
for it or something like that.
And they both just looking at

759
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:28,160
her like whatever.
And I was like, I don't know

760
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:31,480
that that threat seems very
credible with her.

761
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:36,080
Yeah, I'm going to say something
that even knowing what happens

762
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:40,480
in the books, Elijah seems to be
the most dangerous thing in the

763
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:42,720
tower right now.
I would agree.

764
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:46,520
Because everything is already on
shaky grounds when you come in

765
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:49,880
and you start sowing seeds.
Of chaos.

766
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:54,160
You start sowing seeds and you
start dividing sisters and

767
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:57,400
turning them against each other.
You're actually the problem,

768
00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:59,440
yeah.
You're not trying to figure out

769
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:00,960
how you can bring everyone
together.

770
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:05,720
You're your first goal is to get
Swan out and to take over.

771
00:48:05,720 --> 00:48:08,640
But to do that, you're going to
have to divide the tower.

772
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,440
Yeah.
And it's not like Swan doesn't

773
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:15,040
have people on her side, so
you're going to turn everybody

774
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:16,920
against each other.
Yeah.

775
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:21,520
And that's that is more
dangerous than anything.

776
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:25,640
Kind of like kind of like the
Forsaken fighting amongst each

777
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:27,480
other.
Interesting that you would

778
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:30,200
mention the Forsaken.
What Forsaken has been around

779
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:34,920
her for the past month?
Oh, oh, Oh yes.

780
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,040
Who knows what he got in her
head?

781
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:49,960
OK, just saying.
And, and and that's even looking

782
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:52,040
at it without a book
perspective.

783
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:56,720
I but I mean also if she's the
type of person that she seems to

784
00:48:56,720 --> 00:49:00,560
be personality wise, he may not
have had to do or say anything

785
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:03,440
to her.
This could just be a natural

786
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:08,400
progression of of who she is.
It could be, but it doesn't help

787
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:12,720
knowing that a Forsaken has been
next to her for a month.

788
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:16,480
Yeah.
Sowing his own seeds of chaos.

789
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:19,480
Right.
Putting his own plans, nor This

790
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:21,200
could be his plan from the
beginning, right?

791
00:49:21,720 --> 00:49:24,280
The way he walked into the tower
and composed them all.

792
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:28,120
Yeah.
His whole plan.

793
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:32,840
I mean, Rand would need a united
Tower.

794
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:35,600
He would need all that style on
his side.

795
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:37,240
Yeah.
At the last battle.

796
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:42,120
What better way to undermine him
than to turn the tower against

797
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:45,160
itself?
Yeah, and what didn't I need say

798
00:49:45,720 --> 00:49:48,440
was that the last episode which
said they're tearing each other

799
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:52,440
apart, Was that this episode?
That was E Gwaine in the last

800
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:54,280
episode.
This tower is tearing, each

801
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:56,880
tearing itself from the inside
out.

802
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:59,040
Yep.
Yeah.

803
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:02,560
And in comes Eliza to make that
shit happen.

804
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:07,080
Right.
OK, yeah.

805
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:11,680
I never think about the fact
that she's been there with Robin

806
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:14,040
for the last month.
OK, yeah.

807
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:18,800
But staying in the tower since
you mentioned I need and you

808
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:21,560
mentioned the other two black
Asha, let's talk about them.

809
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:27,200
Because Joya and Amico, those
are the two women who tried to

810
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:31,360
shield Swan in in the first
episode and they failed.

811
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:35,400
So they have been steeled and
they are now in the dungeons.

812
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:40,000
And again, Swan has a plan for
Naive and Elaine to kind of find

813
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:43,920
out where Leandrin and the Black
Asha have gone and what their,

814
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:45,360
you know, what their whole
purpose is.

815
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:48,120
Like, what were they looking for
when they stole the objects from

816
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:53,200
the repository and everything.
So they go downstairs to talk to

817
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:55,880
them because Baron is like, OK,
this is what we need you to find

818
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:58,640
out.
And Nyneva's like, OK, but we

819
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:01,680
have to do this our way.
You can't come in there with us.

820
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,720
It's better for us.
And, you know, Elaine says we

821
00:51:04,720 --> 00:51:06,400
have one advantage that you
don't have.

822
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:07,720
We can lie.
You can't.

823
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:12,720
So they go in there and they
start playing good cop, bad cop.

824
00:51:12,720 --> 00:51:17,240
And that mess is so funny
because Nyneve comes across in

825
00:51:17,240 --> 00:51:19,440
her usual way.
She's kind of, she's kind of

826
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:20,880
mean.
She's kind of straightforward.

827
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:24,160
And Elaine is just sitting there
silently kind of watching as

828
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:29,800
Nyneve is asking questions.
And it's so weird because when

829
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:34,320
you look at them just the first
glance, you would think that

830
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:40,520
Joya, who is the the white bald
headed Asha and then Amico is

831
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:44,320
the the black lady in the she's
the yellow Asha.

832
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:50,200
Asha.
You would think that Joya is the

833
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:54,000
one that's kind of steadfast and
Amico is the one who's kind of

834
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:59,360
presenting herself as like the
crybaby layup, blah, blah, blah,

835
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:01,600
blah, blah.
And then when they kind of when

836
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:04,520
I need kind of says, you know,
cut the bullshit, I'm not

837
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:06,400
believing this little song and
you know, so.

838
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:08,720
That OK?
Is this how you don't want to be

839
00:52:08,720 --> 00:52:11,040
remembered?
Just go ahead and drop that act.

840
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:13,040
Right.
And she completely turns it.

841
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:16,040
She was just like, this is
what's going to happen, this is

842
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:17,440
what we're doing, blah, blah,
blah.

843
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:24,360
They kind of give Naive and and
Elaine some information, but

844
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:27,480
it's false information.
But I think the most interesting

845
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:31,480
part of their interrogation was
when they go to Joya the second

846
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:35,000
time after they're like, OK, so
Amigo already gave us some

847
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:37,360
information, so why do we even
need to keep you alive?

848
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:42,560
And Joya basically says, This is
why I'm telling you the truth.

849
00:52:42,720 --> 00:52:45,800
She was like when I, before I
was a black Asha, I was in the

850
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,880
great Asha.
My, my whole skill set is being

851
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:53,280
able to read people and kind of,
you know, figuring out what

852
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:55,400
they're going to do and kind of
see what path they are.

853
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:59,520
And she looks at Naive and she
says, I believe you when you say

854
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:02,120
you'll kill me.
I know the look of a killer when

855
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:05,960
I see 1.
And I was like, what?

856
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:11,680
Because Naive is just looking at
her like, and I'm like, oh, that

857
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:18,120
just tells me almost.
I don't know, Maybe Nyneve knows

858
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:20,000
that part of herself.
And that's also one of the

859
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:23,120
reasons why she can't channel
the way she channels or the way

860
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:26,040
she should channel.
But I was like when Joya said

861
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:28,840
that she didn't look at Elaine,
she looked at Nyneve.

862
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:31,360
She said.
I know the look of a killer when

863
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:33,840
I see one.
Remember Nyneve killed a

864
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:37,320
trollic.
Oh yes.

865
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:40,760
Yes she did.
She killed her tronic and didn't

866
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:43,600
use the one power.
That she did, but but that was

867
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:46,160
different because that that was
self-defense.

868
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:49,840
It was, but again.
Yeah, they.

869
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:51,880
Were being.
Technical if.

870
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:53,320
You're going to be technical
about it.

871
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:58,600
Being technical.
And and it wasn't like, I mean,

872
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:02,120
you can see she, it was a
straight up fight and she killed

873
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:03,160
her.
Yeah.

874
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:07,040
She had no choice.
Yeah, but no, she actually lured

875
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:10,320
him to.
Oh, OK, yeah.

876
00:54:11,720 --> 00:54:13,120
So she knows.
So joy.

877
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:15,920
Joy is it.
Amica could tell.

878
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:19,360
That was Joya.
Joya could tell, yeah, If this

879
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:22,680
won't, if she really wanted, if
she wanted, if she could kill

880
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:26,480
me, she would.
Right, Yeah, because, because

881
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:30,400
Naomi was like, I'm so sick of
this.

882
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:32,440
She was like both of y'all
giving us bullshit.

883
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:35,880
I'm I'm just tired of it.
And Joy was like, no, I had no

884
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:37,520
reason to lie.
Yeah.

885
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:43,200
And remember when she when she
was in the in the columns, we

886
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:46,520
don't know what happened when
she was a red Aja remember

887
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:51,200
because there was a time she was
flying through and she had on

888
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:56,800
red when in in the last when
there was a flashing really

889
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:58,120
quickly.
Yes.

890
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:02,600
Yeah, she had on red, so we
don't know.

891
00:55:03,720 --> 00:55:06,640
OK, because I was going to say
if she.

892
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:11,960
Because that was the one where,
no, no, I'm saying one of the

893
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:16,160
possible futures, the one that
she blocked out, the one that

894
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:17,840
she doesn't remember what
happened, really.

895
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:19,800
Oh, yes, OK.
You're talking about Nanette.

896
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:23,760
OK, Yes, yes, yes.
Nanee, yeah, yeah.

897
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:27,640
So she, we don't know what she
did in that life.

898
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:31,520
Right, she.
Answered and so that could be.

899
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:35,040
Bloody.
And that could be and that could

900
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:44,400
be what she's picking up on.
OK, yeah, but anyway, so Joya

901
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:48,440
says that Leandron is going to
tear because she's trying to

902
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:53,360
help one of the Forsaken get
calendar, and then Amico says

903
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:56,560
that they are going to somewhere
else.

904
00:55:57,720 --> 00:56:01,720
Get.
The the false dragon, which is

905
00:56:01,720 --> 00:56:06,840
where Swan just sent the the
sitter for the red Aja.

906
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:11,680
But anyway, so when they come
out of there, Elaine and I need

907
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:15,160
were like, so I don't believe
that that's what's going on.

908
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:19,280
And I need takes Elaine to the
place where Leandra was keeping

909
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:21,880
her son.
And of course, this place has

910
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:26,680
been completely cleaned out.
And before they end up leaving,

911
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:29,880
they find a symbol up under the
bed.

912
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:33,200
And the symbol is made in chalk
and salt.

913
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:37,280
And when they go to the, they go
to the library on the brown agia

914
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:41,560
floor to look it up and it says
that it's a symbol.

915
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:46,440
I think Elaine said it's a
symbol to kind of, I guess to

916
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:50,680
put it in Lamish terms, it
shortens the trip for the soul

917
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:55,880
so that they come back sooner.
And you put one at the place

918
00:56:55,880 --> 00:57:00,240
where someone died and then you
put the other in the place where

919
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:03,960
they were born.
And so Naive has figured out

920
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:06,800
that Leander's son is probably
dead.

921
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:10,600
She was like, you know, he was
very old, so this is probably

922
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:12,640
where he died.
So where would where was he

923
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:14,760
born?
So when they go in the library

924
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:17,440
and they look it up, they
realize that that symbol is the

925
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:19,720
symbol from a place called 10
Chico.

926
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:22,640
And they're like, OK, well maybe
that's where Leandra is from.

927
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:25,880
Maybe that's where her son was
born, you know, maybe that's

928
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:29,640
where she is.
So then while they're in there,

929
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:32,960
they realize that there are some
drawings of some of the items

930
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:37,240
that were in the repository
because Baron is inventory in

931
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:40,440
what is missing.
So they start going through and

932
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:45,040
they're looking and they come
across a drawing of the bracelet

933
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:48,960
that we saw and they realized,
oh, wait, this is a bracelet

934
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:53,760
that's similar to the Sean Chan.
And then Elaine is like, wait,

935
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:59,040
Tan Chico is not too far from
where from farm It's.

936
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:01,520
Like.
Yeah, it's in the same general

937
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:04,080
area from where the Sean Chan
were.

938
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:08,520
And that's and Tan Chico could
be where the Sean Chan are from.

939
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:14,640
Yeah, so as she is saying this,
there is someone standing in the

940
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:20,040
door with a crossbow and shoots
the crossbow at them.

941
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:24,040
Naive happens to see it just in
time and gets them down and the

942
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:28,000
crossbow like literally grazes
Elaine's head.

943
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:34,320
Elaine shoots someone, some of
the one power at it and tosses

944
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:36,320
it out the door.
And then when they go to look,

945
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:39,680
this thing is dead in the middle
of the floor, and it's a Gray

946
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:42,120
man.
So down the dead.

947
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:46,120
Huh.
Yeah, that's the thing, 'cause

948
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:49,400
she was like, I didn't hit it
with enough power to kill it.

949
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:53,200
And Naive looked at it, she was
like, he was stabbed.

950
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:56,120
And as they're sitting here
contemplating this because

951
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:59,640
nobody else is on the hallway,
here comes Baron from around the

952
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:01,680
corner.
She's about to, you know, say

953
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:05,400
something and she looks and she
was like, what in the light is

954
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:08,520
going on here?
And they were like, yeah, this

955
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:12,680
dude, you know, this, this thing
came after us and, and tried to

956
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:17,160
kill us.
And, you know, Naive asked her.

957
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:19,080
She was like, what are you doing
up here, Vera?

958
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:22,920
And Vera was like, this is where
the brown Aja are.

959
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:26,560
What are you doing here?
Which makes sense because Baron

960
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:28,880
should be up there and the other
two shouldn't.

961
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:32,360
So they don't say anything.
Elaine is like, I'm still a bit

962
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:33,960
shaken up.
Can we leave?

963
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:37,080
And as they're leaving, my name
was like, yeah, we're going to

964
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:38,800
Tan Chico tonight.
We're not going back.

965
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:41,720
We're not staying here.
And Elaine is like tonight.

966
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:43,240
She said yeah, we're not safe
here.

967
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:46,000
She said did you notice what?
She didn't ask us.

968
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:49,600
And Elaine was like, no, what?
Cause Elaine is still in a daze.

969
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:52,640
And she said she didn't ask us
who stabbed him.

970
00:59:53,560 --> 01:00:00,560
And I was like, oh.
As Mike would say, that's one

971
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:05,320
more in variance column.
Right, right, which is which is

972
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:09,400
disheartening because I don't
want to believe that Varen is I

973
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:11,960
don't want to believe that she's
dark Asha, but that's one of the

974
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:15,800
things that we do learn from
Joya and Amico.

975
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:21,560
Amico says that they she was
like, we only know the people

976
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:25,160
who was in our heart and my name
is like, what is that?

977
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:30,040
She said each heart consists of
three sisters of the black Aja.

978
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:34,920
Each sister only knows of one
other person outside of their

979
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:37,440
heart.
And she said Leandra was my

980
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:39,680
contact.
So basically it could be 3 here,

981
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:43,480
3 here, 3 here.
And I guess that's for, you

982
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:48,160
know, plausible deniability if
because you don't know everybody

983
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:52,000
in this particular heart.
So you can't implicate everybody

984
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:55,520
if something were to happen it
it's a smart system.

985
01:00:55,800 --> 01:01:00,920
Yeah, unless, unless you're
Leandrin, Yeah, and you're, you

986
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:04,000
are everybody's contact.
That's that's true.

987
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:08,040
That everyone thinks they only
have one contact.

988
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:11,160
It's Leandrin.
Yeah, but if everybody's contact

989
01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:15,480
is Leandrin.
Then nobody knows who who they

990
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:18,720
are but.
But Leandra knows who.

991
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:22,800
Everybody is, yeah.
And so when she so at the

992
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:25,840
beginning, when she calls from
for the sisters to come help,

993
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:30,680
they all know, yeah, Leandra's
my contact for the black option.

994
01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:33,600
So it's possible at that point
they didn't know each other.

995
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:37,440
I think a few of them probably
were in the same heart because

996
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:39,360
they look.
At each other, but I'm just

997
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:45,480
saying you see how that works?
Yeah, so it I mean, it could be

998
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:48,600
possible that Baron is Black
Asha and we just we're still

999
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:51,320
being played.
I don't want to think that

1000
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:56,000
because again, I like Baron, but
yeah, she's.

1001
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:02,440
She's black Asha, she couldn't
have told them that Leandra was

1002
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:04,320
black.
Aja because they will violate

1003
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:06,920
the oath so.
Yeah.

1004
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:11,280
But then would she, if she was
Black Aja, would she be

1005
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:19,280
cataloging the stuff they took?
Yes, probably because when when

1006
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:23,240
all of that happened and I know
me not, I know me and Naomi came

1007
01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:25,480
out, Leandra said did you get
it?

1008
01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:30,080
And Naomi said yes, I got it.
Plus anything else I could hold.

1009
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:35,200
So maybe Veron is just trying to
catalog because one, if she's

1010
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:37,560
still there, obviously she's
still undercover.

1011
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:40,640
Her cover is intact.
So she's still going to make it

1012
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:44,520
seem like she's doing whatever
she needs to do to kind of track

1013
01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:47,280
down the Black Asha.
So there's certain things that

1014
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:53,680
she can do that wouldn't be, as
you know, suspicious cataloguing

1015
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:57,240
everything that was missing from
the repository that that

1016
01:02:57,240 --> 01:03:01,880
wouldn't be, you know, that
wouldn't be something hard for

1017
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:03,680
her to.
That would be, and that wouldn't

1018
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:08,600
be violating her black Asha Oaks
either 'cause she's just doing

1019
01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:09,720
her job.
Right.

1020
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:13,600
And here's the thing, she could
be still doing that as a black

1021
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:18,440
Asha because Naomi may have
taken all of the objects.

1022
01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:21,320
She doesn't necessarily know
what the objects do, which we

1023
01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:23,840
see later on in the episode
because she's actually

1024
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:28,120
researching some of the books
and Leandron's in the library

1025
01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:30,000
where they are.
She was like, yeah, this is what

1026
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:32,720
this looks like.
So she doesn't even know what

1027
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:36,520
the objects are that they took.
Very could very well be trying

1028
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:39,080
to say, OK, this is what they
took and this is what it does.

1029
01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:42,080
She could be doing that for
Leandron and we just don't know

1030
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:47,360
it yet, you know?
I mean, it's a way for her to

1031
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:50,720
keep her cover intact still.
Like she's doing what she's

1032
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:53,160
supposed to be doing for the
tower, but still doing whatever

1033
01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:55,480
it is she's supposed to be doing
for the Black Asha as well, if

1034
01:03:55,480 --> 01:04:00,120
that's what she's doing so.
And, and I was going to say

1035
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:04,480
also, if Leandro was everyone's
contact, but they didn't know

1036
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:08,120
it, Naomi wouldn't know Vera was
black Asha.

1037
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:13,120
And vice versa, right?
Unless they were in the same

1038
01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:14,400
heart, which.
Obviously they weren't.

1039
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:18,400
They weren't because of the way
that Naomi turned around and you

1040
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:20,720
know, there and I don't have to
sit here and listen to your

1041
01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:23,040
bullshit and then you try to
wipe her memory.

1042
01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:26,680
Yeah.
So yeah, I guess, I guess that

1043
01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:29,600
question mark for Baron is, is
still there.

1044
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:39,400
So anyway, I I guess, but OK,
let's see where are we going to

1045
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:42,120
go next?
Oh, we were going.

1046
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:49,080
We were transitioning into the
bracelet, so now we're in Tan

1047
01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:50,720
Chico.
Yeah, let's go back to.

1048
01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:52,920
OK, So yes, let's go back to Tan
Chico.

1049
01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:59,600
So the first thing we do see in
Tan Chico is Elaine's guesses

1050
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:03,280
about Leandron are probably
correct, because we do see

1051
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:06,760
Leandron in a in kind of like a
basement or a dungeon.

1052
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:09,280
She is painting the sigil on the
floor.

1053
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:11,960
She's crying.
And she's having there's like,

1054
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:15,160
this voice over in her head
where I guess she's talking to

1055
01:05:15,160 --> 01:05:17,360
her son.
And she was like, you know, come

1056
01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:19,640
back to me.
You know, ever since you were

1057
01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:22,600
here, we walk this.
We walk this life together.

1058
01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:25,320
You need to come back to me.
And she touches the bed, and you

1059
01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:28,560
can kind of hear what sounds
like flashbacks of her as a

1060
01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:31,680
child being beaten and
screaming.

1061
01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:35,600
And she just has a very visceral
reaction to it.

1062
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:40,240
So I was like, OK, this is where
her trauma started for her.

1063
01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:43,440
This is where it manifested,
especially with her son.

1064
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:46,600
So then she walks back upstairs,
and she goes into the room, and

1065
01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:48,920
Naomi, again, is reading through
the book.

1066
01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:52,120
And she was like, yeah, this is
a bracelet similar to what the

1067
01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:58,640
Shan Chan used on the Damani,
she said, But my weaves have no

1068
01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:04,080
effect on it.
And Leandra says because that's

1069
01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:08,320
not meant for a woman, it's
meant for a man.

1070
01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:11,600
And now I know why you were
looking at me crazy when I was

1071
01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:16,480
asking about whether or not the
Sean Chan Adams worked on men,

1072
01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:21,800
because you knew that this was
going to come up, right.

1073
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:23,080
Yeah.
OK.

1074
01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:25,520
But that's what she's saying she
was.

1075
01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:27,280
Like this is man, that's.
All the man these.

1076
01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:33,280
Particular ones do not.
Yeah, yeah, and, and Leandra

1077
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:36,760
says that they are in San Chico
because the collar is somewhere

1078
01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:40,960
in the city and we're going to
find it and we are going to cage

1079
01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:46,400
the Dragon Reborn.
And as she says this, the camera

1080
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:48,560
pans over to one of the
servants.

1081
01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:52,080
And who does it happen to be but
fucking Mogadian softly.

1082
01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:58,720
Softly from the she knows.
And she walks out the room and

1083
01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:02,120
she just has this look on her
face like, Oh yes, I'm going to

1084
01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:04,960
stay here and and just wait to
see.

1085
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:10,040
Because we still don't quite
know what the Forsaken exactly

1086
01:07:10,040 --> 01:07:12,320
want with Rand.
Because, Landfish said in the

1087
01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:15,960
last episode, she said they
don't care about him fixing or

1088
01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:18,000
breaking the wheel, they just
want him dead.

1089
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:20,080
Yeah.
So you you do know I mean.

1090
01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:25,280
But is there a reason why they
want them dead or they just want

1091
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:27,840
them dead?
Or is it because he is the, I

1092
01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:30,320
guess quote UN quote,
reincarnation of Lewis Theron

1093
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:32,720
who locked them away and they're
just like, OK, we just want to

1094
01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:37,880
kill you just just on principle.
Well, without giving too much

1095
01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:44,000
away, they they they were all
doing megadian type, Leandrian

1096
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:47,640
type things where they just
didn't have any regard for

1097
01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:49,840
regular people's lives.
OK.

1098
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:54,800
And violating anything having to
do with being an accident,

1099
01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:57,240
right?
So the police came after him,

1100
01:07:58,120 --> 01:08:03,240
the Chief Police officer, the
police commissioner, Luis

1101
01:08:03,240 --> 01:08:07,200
Theron, came for them and they
didn't appreciate that.

1102
01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:11,720
So they just, they just
basically want ran dead just on

1103
01:08:11,720 --> 01:08:13,880
principle.
They want Luis Theron dead

1104
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:16,279
because they wanted him dead
then too, because he was, in

1105
01:08:16,279 --> 01:08:19,120
their way, the only ones who
didn't.

1106
01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:22,880
Were Shamil.
Right.

1107
01:08:23,399 --> 01:08:24,800
OK.
They have their own reasons.

1108
01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:29,880
Lanfield wanted him to love her
again, and Ishmael wants to

1109
01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:32,600
destroy the will.
Yeah, OK.

1110
01:08:34,200 --> 01:08:36,560
Everybody else, they just want,
they just want them dead.

1111
01:08:37,359 --> 01:08:40,399
They just want them dead and out
of the way so they can go about

1112
01:08:40,399 --> 01:08:41,840
their happy lives.
Right.

1113
01:08:42,279 --> 01:08:45,720
Because as long as he's around,
there's someone more powerful

1114
01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:49,680
than them, you know, which I I
had a conversation with the

1115
01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:52,479
person whom I'm related to by
marriage because she knows a lot

1116
01:08:52,479 --> 01:08:55,319
about the rule of time.
And I was like, why did Liz

1117
01:08:55,319 --> 01:08:59,200
Theron waste his time and
imprison them?

1118
01:08:59,960 --> 01:09:02,880
Why didn't he just kill them?
They were really kind of afraid

1119
01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:08,240
of him.
And and she, she said, well, he

1120
01:09:08,240 --> 01:09:12,120
was a good person.
And remember when he told

1121
01:09:12,120 --> 01:09:16,640
Ishamael he was like, he did
that to him because he knew that

1122
01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:19,560
that's what he hated the most.
That was the that was the worst,

1123
01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:22,880
worst punishment for him, Yeah.
I I can't think of any

1124
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:25,240
punishment, I don't think.
And I don't maybe he just

1125
01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:29,640
applied that to all of them just
to have them suffer in silence

1126
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:33,479
or whatever.
Yeah, but yeah.

1127
01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:37,680
But then, you know, I thought
about it some more and the way

1128
01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:42,399
the creator in the wheel works,
it probably wasn't their time.

1129
01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:46,600
Like this had to happen the way
that it happened.

1130
01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:49,080
So maybe this wasn't meant to
kill them yet.

1131
01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:52,279
Yeah, and also.
For Rand, maybe that was for

1132
01:09:52,279 --> 01:09:55,160
Rand to do.
Oh, OK, yeah.

1133
01:09:55,160 --> 01:09:58,360
Or also it could have been just
one of those like OK, yeah, I

1134
01:09:58,360 --> 01:10:01,480
could kill you, but one that
would be too easy.

1135
01:10:02,160 --> 01:10:06,520
And 2:00 I could probably just
keep y'all caged up and this

1136
01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:09,360
could be a break in case, you
know, break glass in case of

1137
01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:13,240
emergency type of situation.
Could be.

1138
01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:16,600
Because I mean, as dangerous as
they are, they they had to be

1139
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:21,080
useful to him at some point.
Because other than that.

1140
01:10:22,200 --> 01:10:25,000
He's, he's clearly more powerful
than they are.

1141
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:27,720
I understand They should have.
They should have.

1142
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:31,080
They should have attacked him
all the same time instead of

1143
01:10:31,080 --> 01:10:32,640
doing that thing Mike and I talk
about.

1144
01:10:32,840 --> 01:10:34,840
I was just about to say.
We've.

1145
01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:38,960
Had this conversation before so
that would explain why they

1146
01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:41,680
didn't do that.
But even even the people who are

1147
01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:45,720
the most powerful, you still
want your minions up under you,

1148
01:10:45,720 --> 01:10:49,040
your powerful minions up under
you to be able to do the stuff

1149
01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:51,280
that you don't want to dirty
your hands doing.

1150
01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:54,800
Like, OK, you know what?
This is important, but it's also

1151
01:10:54,800 --> 01:10:56,880
beneath me.
So I'm going to let my lackeys

1152
01:10:56,880 --> 01:10:58,560
do it.
That's that could be the whole

1153
01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:03,600
reason why he kept them caged
instead of killing them because

1154
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:06,360
it might have been something
that can be wrong that he might

1155
01:11:06,360 --> 01:11:08,720
have been like OK well I need
y'all to go handle this.

1156
01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:11,360
Yeah, there, there are a lot of
things I want to tell you, but

1157
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:15,120
yeah, it's it's almost like you
did as a punishment for their

1158
01:11:15,120 --> 01:11:17,640
crimes.
Yeah, yeah.

1159
01:11:17,640 --> 01:11:21,480
Because with a lot of people,
it's like, if you kill them, I

1160
01:11:21,480 --> 01:11:24,520
mean, that's one of the
arguments with some people with

1161
01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:28,640
death row, you know, they're
like, OK, if you kill them,

1162
01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:31,040
you're putting them out of their
misery.

1163
01:11:31,040 --> 01:11:34,520
You're not really giving them
time to contemplate what they've

1164
01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:38,400
done to be in this position and,
you know, all this other stuff.

1165
01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:41,760
But if you put them in jail for
the rest of their life, or if

1166
01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:44,760
you put them in jail for 80
years, they have nothing but

1167
01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:49,320
time to think about what they've
done and how that has affected

1168
01:11:49,320 --> 01:11:51,680
their life.
And for some people, it, it

1169
01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:53,000
works.
And for some people, they're

1170
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:55,840
just like, I don't care.
Look, I'm getting free room and

1171
01:11:55,840 --> 01:11:58,600
bored and three square meals a
day for the rest of my life.

1172
01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:01,160
I don't have to work.
I don't have to it it.

1173
01:12:01,160 --> 01:12:05,400
It just depends on the person.
Yeah, well, like Ma Gideon said,

1174
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:09,120
I am not going to be in
anybody's cage for another 3.

1175
01:12:09,160 --> 01:12:12,000
1000 years, Ma, Gideon said.
Well, we're not going to do.

1176
01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:16,800
But we're not going to do it.
Right, but the fact that she was

1177
01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:21,000
there and she hears all of this
and like you said, she walks out

1178
01:12:21,040 --> 01:12:25,840
and you hear softly, softly from
the and then she walks into the

1179
01:12:25,840 --> 01:12:29,000
dark.
I was like, OK, so that's one

1180
01:12:29,000 --> 01:12:31,240
forsaken that knows what the
plan is.

1181
01:12:32,200 --> 01:12:36,120
And she's probably the only one
that knows at this point because

1182
01:12:36,120 --> 01:12:38,960
landfill is too.
Landfill is too busy trying to

1183
01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:44,720
be in ranch dreams talking I.
I don't even know if she was

1184
01:12:44,720 --> 01:12:49,360
being sincere or not about.
Let's talk let's let's talk

1185
01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:52,760
about that.
So you and I in the last episode

1186
01:12:52,760 --> 01:12:56,160
had a light hearted debate
about.

1187
01:12:56,280 --> 01:12:59,760
Spirit and discussion.
The the state of the

1188
01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:03,120
relationship, right?
And I consulted the person whom

1189
01:13:03,120 --> 01:13:05,320
I'm I live with unrelated to our
marriage.

1190
01:13:05,960 --> 01:13:09,760
She says that we're both right.
Yeah, and I mean, Mike said the

1191
01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:12,000
same thing and I I can see your
point.

1192
01:13:12,160 --> 01:13:16,480
Yeah, so, but it's just one of
those things where if she.

1193
01:13:18,520 --> 01:13:21,920
Now don't mess it up, honey.
No, I'm just, no, what I was

1194
01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:26,840
going to say was if she's not in
love with him, she certainly is

1195
01:13:26,840 --> 01:13:29,880
playing it up like she is, you
know, because.

1196
01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:33,520
I, I, I agree with you.
I, I, she is in love with him.

1197
01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:37,120
She is, I really do believe that
she is in love with him.

1198
01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:41,800
I don't know if she can get out
of her own way because of her

1199
01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:46,720
schemes and machinations,
because she loves him and she's

1200
01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:49,320
trying to do all these things to
get him.

1201
01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:53,320
And that moment when they're
together and he's like, why did,

1202
01:13:53,320 --> 01:13:54,680
why do you keep bringing me
here?

1203
01:13:54,680 --> 01:13:56,360
She's like, you didn't bring me
here.

1204
01:13:56,840 --> 01:13:58,200
You know, I didn't bring you
here.

1205
01:13:58,440 --> 01:14:00,200
This is the place you chose,
right?

1206
01:14:01,080 --> 01:14:06,560
But she's such a good actress
because she seems so vulnerable

1207
01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:11,920
and real and like she's, she's
really sounds like she's being

1208
01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:15,280
real sincere.
Like I really want to get out of

1209
01:14:15,280 --> 01:14:16,960
this thing.
I really want you to kill the

1210
01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:19,040
dark ones.
So basically we can be together.

1211
01:14:19,040 --> 01:14:20,640
She wants to be free.
Yeah.

1212
01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:24,560
But does she like?
I don't know.

1213
01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:28,720
And that's the thing, because
when I look at her when she is

1214
01:14:28,720 --> 01:14:32,000
with him, and this was the
reason why I kept saying I feel

1215
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:36,480
like she's really in love with
Rand separately from what she

1216
01:14:36,480 --> 01:14:39,520
felt for Lou's Theron.
Because when she's with him and

1217
01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:42,480
she's looking at him and she
talks to him, you know, I'm a

1218
01:14:42,480 --> 01:14:44,840
person.
Body language is very big for

1219
01:14:44,840 --> 01:14:46,600
me.
Like I really pay attention to

1220
01:14:46,600 --> 01:14:48,520
it.
And it's just the way that she

1221
01:14:48,520 --> 01:14:51,360
is with him.
And again, that actress is

1222
01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:55,480
phenomenal because when she has
to be hard and when she has to

1223
01:14:55,480 --> 01:14:59,720
be nasty and mean and and kind
of stuck up to everybody else,

1224
01:14:59,800 --> 01:15:03,400
she does it very well.
But when she's with Rand,

1225
01:15:03,400 --> 01:15:05,800
there's something about her that
softens.

1226
01:15:05,800 --> 01:15:08,720
There's something about her
that, like you said, is more

1227
01:15:08,720 --> 01:15:14,560
vulnerable, like she's she's
putting forward a face for him

1228
01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:16,440
that she doesn't let anybody
else see.

1229
01:15:16,440 --> 01:15:19,080
And you really see it in this
scene when she's sitting there

1230
01:15:19,080 --> 01:15:22,400
on the bed.
She looks so heartbroken.

1231
01:15:23,160 --> 01:15:25,640
You know, she has the watery
eyes and everything.

1232
01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:29,080
When she's telling him she was
like, I really want to be free

1233
01:15:29,080 --> 01:15:31,280
of my dark oaths.
And I think there's a way.

1234
01:15:31,280 --> 01:15:37,080
And she starts telling him about
a, say, Angrio that is for women

1235
01:15:37,360 --> 01:15:42,960
that if used in conjunction with
Kalidor, she was like, I think,

1236
01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:47,720
you know, if if a man channeler
and a woman channeler use both

1237
01:15:47,720 --> 01:15:50,800
of those eye objects, they can
kill the Dark One.

1238
01:15:50,800 --> 01:15:53,400
And Rand is like, wait a minute,
is that a thing?

1239
01:15:54,200 --> 01:15:57,000
And then she starts pulling back
like, oh, maybe I've said too

1240
01:15:57,000 --> 01:15:59,120
much.
Because again, even though this

1241
01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:04,040
is I guess Rand's dream, we
don't know what forsaken our

1242
01:16:04,040 --> 01:16:06,080
hearing.
And we don't know if this is

1243
01:16:06,080 --> 01:16:08,040
something that she really does
feel.

1244
01:16:08,040 --> 01:16:11,480
And if so, she's got to be
worried about other than hearing

1245
01:16:11,480 --> 01:16:14,040
it or if this is part of her
plan.

1246
01:16:14,120 --> 01:16:16,200
This is part of her plan.
She's it's like she's.

1247
01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:19,760
Manipulating him again, and
that's what.

1248
01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:23,480
But it's hard to tell.
Yeah, and to your point about

1249
01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:28,440
falling in love with him, it's
just that she has said in the

1250
01:16:28,440 --> 01:16:34,760
past, if only you had been like
this before, like if Luz hadn't

1251
01:16:34,760 --> 01:16:37,480
been this way before, things
would have been different.

1252
01:16:38,600 --> 01:16:40,640
So I don't know.
But.

1253
01:16:42,440 --> 01:16:45,960
It it so I think she's falling
in love with, she's already in

1254
01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:49,520
love with Luz, and now she has
that same feeling for Ran.

1255
01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:53,600
Yeah.
And but Michelle did point out,

1256
01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:57,800
I do always remind her because
she loves her romance between

1257
01:16:58,080 --> 01:17:00,840
Thomas Jefferson and Sally
Hemings.

1258
01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:06,360
And I tried to explain to her a
slave cannot be in love with the

1259
01:17:06,360 --> 01:17:08,600
master.
It's just it's just not

1260
01:17:08,600 --> 01:17:11,720
possible.
And she said and the thing about

1261
01:17:11,720 --> 01:17:17,600
Rand, he doesn't really
understand how much of him is

1262
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:21,160
loose Darren.
And he may not really understand

1263
01:17:21,160 --> 01:17:26,280
that those feelings inside for
her, maybe those feelings that

1264
01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:31,800
Luz has for her and they seeped
into his own feelings.

1265
01:17:32,920 --> 01:17:37,160
And he doesn't have the ability
and doesn't even realize that

1266
01:17:37,160 --> 01:17:38,920
that is something that's
happening to him.

1267
01:17:40,120 --> 01:17:46,520
So, you know, and, and yeah, and
The thing is, we all know that

1268
01:17:46,520 --> 01:17:49,400
if you have intimate relations
with a person often enough,

1269
01:17:49,400 --> 01:17:53,480
you're going to develop feelings
for them regardless of how it

1270
01:17:53,480 --> 01:17:57,040
started.
Yeah, and I think that's the

1271
01:17:57,280 --> 01:17:58,960
thing.
And that's, and that's what's

1272
01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:02,960
going to be hard for him on so
many different levels because

1273
01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:09,920
his soul is bound to her.
You know, his soul knows who she

1274
01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:12,680
is.
His soul was in love with her

1275
01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:14,240
before.
Yeah.

1276
01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:18,880
And they didn't leave her
because his heart was broken.

1277
01:18:18,880 --> 01:18:23,000
He left her because she didn't.
He didn't think she actually

1278
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:26,920
loved him, but he loved her.
Yeah.

1279
01:18:27,800 --> 01:18:34,720
And and that's the part that's
hard to kind of separate is the

1280
01:18:34,720 --> 01:18:38,920
fact that he is the person
reincarnated that was in love

1281
01:18:38,920 --> 01:18:41,440
with her already.
You see what I'm saying?

1282
01:18:41,440 --> 01:18:45,360
So yeah, he could as Rand, love
her, but it's also hard to

1283
01:18:45,360 --> 01:18:49,240
separate the fact that Loose
Theron was also in love with her

1284
01:18:49,240 --> 01:18:50,520
too.
Yeah, yeah.

1285
01:18:50,920 --> 01:18:54,040
And that probably just kind of
murkies the waters a little bit

1286
01:18:54,040 --> 01:19:00,160
because if he, as Rand, believes
that he was in love with Celine

1287
01:19:00,360 --> 01:19:02,960
for the first two months, and
then you find out who she really

1288
01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:07,240
is, and then you find out what
their relationship was 3000

1289
01:19:07,240 --> 01:19:11,120
years ago, that would be hard to
separate because it's like,

1290
01:19:11,120 --> 01:19:15,480
where, where does lose begin?
And where does Rand, you know,

1291
01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:18,560
and or it's just kind of like
one of those things, where does

1292
01:19:18,560 --> 01:19:21,320
it does it flow into each other?
It's, you know.

1293
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:24,360
If it's anything like the book,
it's going to get real

1294
01:19:24,360 --> 01:19:25,920
complicated.
Oh, I can.

1295
01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:28,560
I can already admit it's already
complicated.

1296
01:19:28,720 --> 01:19:32,680
It's going to get real.
Complicated because keep still

1297
01:19:32,680 --> 01:19:36,400
having this dream sequence
relationship, kind of sort of

1298
01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:38,840
relationship limbo, whatever
with her.

1299
01:19:39,080 --> 01:19:42,680
Why are you still out here on
the real world hanging around

1300
01:19:42,680 --> 01:19:46,920
with Egwane, who has no clue
that any of this has happened or

1301
01:19:47,240 --> 01:19:49,880
yeah, I already know.
It's about to be complicated.

1302
01:19:49,880 --> 01:19:51,360
It's about to get.
It's going to get ugly.

1303
01:19:51,880 --> 01:19:57,080
I'm talking about we don't know
where Ran ends and Lose begins.

1304
01:19:57,080 --> 01:19:59,440
Oh, OK.
Get real complicated.

1305
01:19:59,480 --> 01:20:02,440
Oh.
OK, OK.

1306
01:20:04,160 --> 01:20:05,640
It's about to get real
complicated.

1307
01:20:05,720 --> 01:20:08,320
Yeah.
But yeah, that thing was

1308
01:20:08,320 --> 01:20:11,040
interesting because I was like,
OK, is she being sincere or not?

1309
01:20:11,040 --> 01:20:13,200
Like I don't, I don't know
because.

1310
01:20:14,120 --> 01:20:17,600
She said.
I'm sorry, she's she's such a

1311
01:20:17,640 --> 01:20:20,120
phenomenal actress.
She is.

1312
01:20:20,120 --> 01:20:23,920
She deserves an Emmy nomination.
If not it win.

1313
01:20:24,720 --> 01:20:27,480
She's really good.
She's really good because here's

1314
01:20:27,480 --> 01:20:30,560
the thing about her.
Because if you if you look at

1315
01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:35,000
the 2 the two main female
villains of this show, you're

1316
01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:36,920
looking at her and you're
looking at Leandra.

1317
01:20:38,720 --> 01:20:44,040
The crazy thing is, even though
I know Laffier is a Forsaken and

1318
01:20:44,040 --> 01:20:51,520
I know what her supposed agenda
is or whatever, I feel like I

1319
01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:56,200
might have more sympathy for her
than I would for Leandra.

1320
01:20:57,000 --> 01:21:03,200
And I don't know if that's just
because of the the the massive

1321
01:21:03,200 --> 01:21:07,160
betrayal of Landrin, her being a
acid and then turning out to be

1322
01:21:07,160 --> 01:21:09,720
a dark friend.
I don't know if that's why I'm

1323
01:21:09,720 --> 01:21:12,520
feeling it.
Because even if you remember

1324
01:21:12,680 --> 01:21:17,120
from back when we first started
covering the second season, the

1325
01:21:17,120 --> 01:21:20,400
minute Celine showed up on
screen, none of us trusted her.

1326
01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:22,760
We were like, something is not
right about this chick.

1327
01:21:23,200 --> 01:21:27,840
So it's not like we fell in love
with her as Celine and oh, she's

1328
01:21:27,840 --> 01:21:29,680
so great for Rand and blah blah
blah.

1329
01:21:29,680 --> 01:21:32,320
And then we find out who she is
and it's like, Oh my God, I'm

1330
01:21:32,320 --> 01:21:34,560
betrayed.
No, we knew she was sketchy from

1331
01:21:34,560 --> 01:21:39,040
jump so I think that's probably
why I can be more sympathetic

1332
01:21:39,040 --> 01:21:42,360
towards her if I need to be
because I never expected her to

1333
01:21:42,360 --> 01:21:44,760
be a good person in the first
place.

1334
01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:47,840
With.
Landrin I wouldn't have, I

1335
01:21:47,840 --> 01:21:52,120
wouldn't have expected her to be
a good person, but I at least

1336
01:21:52,120 --> 01:21:55,040
knew what team she was on or
what side she was on.

1337
01:21:55,040 --> 01:22:01,240
And so that I think she was a
good person by grace for me.

1338
01:22:01,240 --> 01:22:06,000
Because you are asked to die and
you were tasked with this

1339
01:22:06,000 --> 01:22:09,560
particular thing, as far as you
know, containing the man who can

1340
01:22:09,560 --> 01:22:11,960
channel.
And you're basically trying to

1341
01:22:11,960 --> 01:22:15,320
keep men from becoming a danger
to themselves and other people.

1342
01:22:15,320 --> 01:22:18,400
So I, you know, the betrayal was
greater.

1343
01:22:19,120 --> 01:22:22,240
It's hard for me because I know
what happened to the book.

1344
01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:26,320
Leandron is evil.
I know you told me.

1345
01:22:26,920 --> 01:22:32,120
But even on the show, the them
trying to get us get sympathy

1346
01:22:32,120 --> 01:22:36,160
from us through her son.
And then you realize that she's

1347
01:22:36,160 --> 01:22:40,880
been letting this man suffer for
years. 95 years.

1348
01:22:41,000 --> 01:22:45,200
Out of selfishness, yeah, she's
been letting him suffer.

1349
01:22:45,880 --> 01:22:48,600
I can't be sympathetic to that.
Right.

1350
01:22:49,160 --> 01:22:51,680
You know, and you're giving him
something that was making him

1351
01:22:51,680 --> 01:22:55,760
feel more pain.
Because you didn't know better.

1352
01:22:55,760 --> 01:22:57,040
And you?
Didn't know you better, you

1353
01:22:57,040 --> 01:23:01,000
didn't want to ask for help.
So this person that you love, do

1354
01:23:01,000 --> 01:23:04,120
you let them suffer for God
knows how many years?

1355
01:23:05,040 --> 01:23:09,000
How many years I can't, I have.
Even knowing what I know about

1356
01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:12,840
her, that part right there would
be enough to have me not have

1357
01:23:13,760 --> 01:23:19,440
any sympathy for her at all.
It it goes back to that old

1358
01:23:19,440 --> 01:23:21,760
adage, if you love something,
let it go.

1359
01:23:22,960 --> 01:23:26,080
And she she clearly could do it.
Even even now, she still can't

1360
01:23:26,080 --> 01:23:28,600
do it because she's still trying
to find a way to bring him back.

1361
01:23:28,920 --> 01:23:35,800
To bring him back and.
I'm like, I don't, yeah, I guess

1362
01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:38,280
on the one hand, I can
understand that this is the this

1363
01:23:38,280 --> 01:23:40,640
is the only person she's
probably ever loved.

1364
01:23:41,360 --> 01:23:49,040
And this is probably again, the
person that kept her tied to her

1365
01:23:49,040 --> 01:23:52,320
humanity.
Without him, she can become this

1366
01:23:52,320 --> 01:23:56,080
evil, whatever.
And I I don't know, there's part

1367
01:23:56,080 --> 01:23:59,880
of me that feels like she may
not really want to do that and

1368
01:23:59,880 --> 01:24:06,000
he but but for her to rest,
whether she becomes total evil

1369
01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:12,880
or not on this other person that
to me again, that is cruel.

1370
01:24:13,400 --> 01:24:17,480
Like why would you make this one
person so responsible?

1371
01:24:17,480 --> 01:24:21,040
Put that that responsibility on
their shoulders of whether or

1372
01:24:21,040 --> 01:24:26,560
not you know how to act or not.
That shouldn't be on him no

1373
01:24:26,560 --> 01:24:30,320
matter what the circumstances.
It shouldn't so.

1374
01:24:30,320 --> 01:24:31,680
That's an interesting
discussion.

1375
01:24:31,680 --> 01:24:36,360
Who who, who gets more sympathy?
Landring or a land cheer.

1376
01:24:36,560 --> 01:24:39,520
No, we, we'll, we'll revisit
this discussion at the end of

1377
01:24:39,520 --> 01:24:42,640
the season once we kind of see
where this season is going.

1378
01:24:42,640 --> 01:24:48,320
Because even with what I said
about landfill, even with the

1379
01:24:48,320 --> 01:24:52,280
possibility of her actually
being sincere, her wanting to

1380
01:24:52,280 --> 01:24:57,360
get out of her dark oath so she
can be with Rand or whatever her

1381
01:24:57,360 --> 01:25:02,040
case may be, there's still
something that's just kind of

1382
01:25:02,040 --> 01:25:03,760
niggling in the back of my
brain.

1383
01:25:03,760 --> 01:25:06,400
This is Hanukkah.
Don't trust her because she's

1384
01:25:06,400 --> 01:25:09,440
being manipulative.
I mean, we see that most of the

1385
01:25:09,440 --> 01:25:12,880
women in this show that are like
extremely powerful, they are

1386
01:25:12,880 --> 01:25:16,280
also extremely manipulative.
And she could just be trying to

1387
01:25:16,280 --> 01:25:19,640
pull on the pull on the
heartstrings before she pulls

1388
01:25:19,640 --> 01:25:23,160
the rug up from under us.
So I'm I'm going to remain

1389
01:25:23,160 --> 01:25:27,480
cautious about land fear.
I'll see what she has to say.

1390
01:25:27,480 --> 01:25:30,040
I'll see how her character
develops.

1391
01:25:30,640 --> 01:25:34,680
And I might be like, OK, I
believe you.

1392
01:25:34,680 --> 01:25:38,000
But I will also say this too.
I do not believe that she should

1393
01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:43,440
ever be with Rand.
And it's just because of the

1394
01:25:43,440 --> 01:25:47,200
what she's doing to egg Wayne.
Like if you are really that

1395
01:25:47,200 --> 01:25:51,600
confident a woman and you are
really that confident of what he

1396
01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:54,920
feels for you, the bullshit
she's doing to a Gwaine, her

1397
01:25:54,920 --> 01:26:00,120
dreams, that is uncalled for.
Is it for For me that is the

1398
01:26:00,120 --> 01:26:02,840
equivalent of Leandro and
keeping her son alive?

1399
01:26:04,240 --> 01:26:10,560
Speaking of manipulative women
pulling heartstrings, can we go

1400
01:26:10,560 --> 01:26:14,880
to the IEO waste now?
Yes, we can.

1401
01:26:17,480 --> 01:26:19,320
I don't know, I don't even know
where to start.

1402
01:26:19,320 --> 01:26:28,200
I don't know if I want to start
with the hot tent or, or the, or

1403
01:26:28,200 --> 01:26:35,120
the Lost in the Dunes.
Let's get we'll, we'll, we'll

1404
01:26:35,120 --> 01:26:37,440
come back to the hot tent.
Let's go to the Lost in the

1405
01:26:37,440 --> 01:26:39,880
Dunes.
I was not expecting to see the

1406
01:26:39,880 --> 01:26:44,760
Tuathawan again, and especially
not in this manner.

1407
01:26:45,520 --> 01:26:49,520
Right with with with a good
number of them being slaughtered

1408
01:26:50,880 --> 01:26:54,760
by the IL or by one of the sex
of the IL.

1409
01:26:55,040 --> 01:26:58,360
That was sad.
And to see kind of E Gwaine have

1410
01:26:58,360 --> 01:27:00,880
to take that in because you
know, E Gwaine travelled with

1411
01:27:00,880 --> 01:27:01,880
the 2.
Of them on.

1412
01:27:02,600 --> 01:27:06,720
And and grew to understand their
ways and, you know, have

1413
01:27:06,800 --> 01:27:13,400
compassion for them to see that
sex come to such a bloody

1414
01:27:13,400 --> 01:27:15,840
demise.
And for what?

1415
01:27:15,960 --> 01:27:19,240
Because there was water nearby.
Yeah.

1416
01:27:19,920 --> 01:27:25,480
And what I mean, they say it's
it, it's against their own, it's

1417
01:27:25,480 --> 01:27:27,760
against the law to attack the
lost ones.

1418
01:27:28,400 --> 01:27:31,480
Yeah, or that's what the the guy
said, I think.

1419
01:27:31,520 --> 01:27:38,200
But what Ivienda said, she said
she said it is dishonorable to.

1420
01:27:39,480 --> 01:27:41,680
This is humble, not to defend
yourself.

1421
01:27:42,240 --> 01:27:45,160
But it's even more dishonorable
to attack those.

1422
01:27:45,320 --> 01:27:48,200
Who won't?
Defend themselves, yeah, because

1423
01:27:48,200 --> 01:27:51,480
I kind of got that from the
other, the other dream Walker

1424
01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:55,880
when EG Wayne was saying we need
to bury them and she was like,

1425
01:27:55,880 --> 01:27:58,320
is their fault they're dead?
They didn't defend themselves.

1426
01:27:58,320 --> 01:28:02,520
I was like, oh, y'all really
don't have respect for them like

1427
01:28:02,520 --> 01:28:05,720
'cause she was just like, it is
that's on them.

1428
01:28:05,720 --> 01:28:10,360
They should have defended
themselves, which I, I mean, I

1429
01:28:10,360 --> 01:28:13,680
kind of feel the same way.
I just, I don't understand the

1430
01:28:13,680 --> 01:28:19,120
mindset of just existing.
And then if someone attacks you,

1431
01:28:19,120 --> 01:28:20,760
you're just going to be like,
OK, I'm just going to.

1432
01:28:21,000 --> 01:28:23,800
I I don't, I do not believe.
In the other cheeks.

1433
01:28:24,560 --> 01:28:27,280
I know, remember.
We saw them in the first season.

1434
01:28:27,320 --> 01:28:30,840
They literally said that.
And we had that same discussion.

1435
01:28:30,840 --> 01:28:33,000
I was like, I am not, I am not
of the.

1436
01:28:33,000 --> 01:28:35,520
Mindset of.
The other cheek I can.

1437
01:28:35,880 --> 01:28:37,920
No, I just.
You're not built that way.

1438
01:28:38,040 --> 01:28:42,040
No, I'm not, because it's like,
like if you're trying to take my

1439
01:28:42,040 --> 01:28:47,080
life and take the life of my
family and my friends, I will

1440
01:28:47,080 --> 01:28:50,600
fight you to the death to do it.
But in order to kill me, you are

1441
01:28:50,600 --> 01:28:53,720
going to have to earn it.
No, the way of the Leaf.

1442
01:28:54,160 --> 01:28:58,280
No you do not.
They are true pacifist.

1443
01:28:58,280 --> 01:29:00,680
I know.
They don't even turn the other

1444
01:29:00,680 --> 01:29:02,080
cheek.
They'll stand there and look at

1445
01:29:02,080 --> 01:29:04,840
you as you do it.
Like she said, some of them

1446
01:29:04,840 --> 01:29:06,920
didn't even run.
No, they didn't.

1447
01:29:07,440 --> 01:29:12,920
Yeah, they just, Yeah.
It's it's the way of belief.

1448
01:29:13,160 --> 01:29:16,040
Yeah.
Yeah, but interesting.

1449
01:29:16,080 --> 01:29:18,440
They call them the lost ones.
I wonder why they call them the

1450
01:29:18,440 --> 01:29:21,080
lost Ones.
I don't know why, but I'm just

1451
01:29:21,080 --> 01:29:22,880
saying.
Yeah, I.

1452
01:29:22,880 --> 01:29:27,440
Did wonder that too because but
I mean, I guess I guess if you

1453
01:29:27,440 --> 01:29:31,880
think about it it, it's kind of
like watching rings of power and

1454
01:29:31,880 --> 01:29:34,360
the the hard foots the.
Hard foots.

1455
01:29:34,480 --> 01:29:37,920
It's kind of like if you're just
traveling all the time, if if

1456
01:29:37,920 --> 01:29:43,200
you're wandering, so to speak,
that could be a definition of

1457
01:29:43,200 --> 01:29:46,600
loss because it's like you, you
don't have any particular

1458
01:29:46,600 --> 01:29:49,200
direction that you're going.
You don't have a particular

1459
01:29:49,200 --> 01:29:52,160
destination.
You just kind of whatever.

1460
01:29:52,400 --> 01:29:55,680
The you then made me have to
pull out a token quote.

1461
01:29:58,040 --> 01:30:03,080
All those wonder wonder I lost.
I'm not lost.

1462
01:30:03,200 --> 01:30:09,320
I know, I know, but that I know,
but that I mean, that's how the

1463
01:30:09,320 --> 01:30:11,480
heart foots look at themselves.
They're like, we're not lost.

1464
01:30:11,480 --> 01:30:13,880
We know exactly where we're
going exactly.

1465
01:30:14,000 --> 01:30:17,800
But to the outsider, it may, it
may not look that simple or it

1466
01:30:17,800 --> 01:30:20,400
may not be that simple.
They can just be like, OK,

1467
01:30:20,440 --> 01:30:23,040
they're just, they're lost
because they're just, they're

1468
01:30:23,040 --> 01:30:26,480
just kind of going anywhere.
They they have no sense of

1469
01:30:26,480 --> 01:30:28,040
direction.
They have no sense of

1470
01:30:28,320 --> 01:30:30,000
destination.
They're just kind of like, OK,

1471
01:30:30,000 --> 01:30:32,800
we're just going, yeah.
So yeah.

1472
01:30:32,800 --> 01:30:34,360
But we hear about the shy
though.

1473
01:30:34,360 --> 01:30:38,600
I yield, which is like if
anybody was going to do it, it'd

1474
01:30:38,600 --> 01:30:41,240
be them.
And and then Land is like she's

1475
01:30:41,240 --> 01:30:45,560
like, Oh, well, these are sword
wounds and Land's like, Nah,

1476
01:30:46,480 --> 01:30:49,320
those are those are.
Spears made.

1477
01:30:49,600 --> 01:30:54,400
To look like swords, yeah.
And they're like, because Ibn,

1478
01:30:54,440 --> 01:30:58,680
it's like, no IL would do this.
Well, apparently there's a small

1479
01:30:58,680 --> 01:31:00,640
group of you that would.
There's a group that would this

1480
01:31:00,640 --> 01:31:02,800
side though.
You know you always have that

1481
01:31:02,800 --> 01:31:07,440
one black sheep person or group.
And and what and whether we

1482
01:31:07,440 --> 01:31:12,280
already talked about anytime you
have a large group of people,

1483
01:31:12,360 --> 01:31:16,200
you always going to have a group
within that group that's not

1484
01:31:16,200 --> 01:31:18,240
doing the right thing.
That's going to buck the system

1485
01:31:18,480 --> 01:31:20,040
you're.
Not going to do the right thing.

1486
01:31:20,120 --> 01:31:22,000
Right.
Because why?

1487
01:31:22,040 --> 01:31:25,120
If all of you are trying to
survive, if you're all part of

1488
01:31:25,120 --> 01:31:27,640
the same group, you know, what
was it?

1489
01:31:27,640 --> 01:31:31,160
They were walking.
They were like, be careful.

1490
01:31:31,160 --> 01:31:34,320
There's water up ahead and they
all start going like they're

1491
01:31:34,320 --> 01:31:36,920
about to attack.
Yeah, she's saying more.

1492
01:31:36,920 --> 01:31:39,520
People have pain.
More blood has been spilled over

1493
01:31:39,520 --> 01:31:42,400
water than over gold.
In the threefold Land, yeah,

1494
01:31:42,400 --> 01:31:46,520
because again, as you've told
us, water is very scarce in the

1495
01:31:46,520 --> 01:31:51,080
waste.
So obviously when it's around,

1496
01:31:51,080 --> 01:31:55,160
yeah, there might be some
fighting for it, but to the

1497
01:31:55,160 --> 01:31:59,520
point where you're killing all
of those people for it.

1498
01:31:59,520 --> 01:32:05,200
Yeah, I was like, OK, even your
even their name, the shadow that

1499
01:32:05,200 --> 01:32:07,680
that sounds just shake.
Sounds like the shadow.

1500
01:32:08,680 --> 01:32:13,040
It does it just like, OK,
something about y'all ain't

1501
01:32:13,040 --> 01:32:17,360
right.
But the other thing that we need

1502
01:32:17,360 --> 01:32:20,840
to touch on with the IEO is the
conversation that Gwen has with

1503
01:32:21,000 --> 01:32:26,360
the with the woman who we
thought appeared in Iguaine's

1504
01:32:26,360 --> 01:32:28,440
dreams.
But no, it turns out Iguaine

1505
01:32:28,440 --> 01:32:33,320
actually appeared in her, which
opens up even more questions

1506
01:32:33,840 --> 01:32:36,560
about what it is that Iguaine
can do.

1507
01:32:36,600 --> 01:32:39,680
And we do find out they do call
it dream walking in this show

1508
01:32:39,680 --> 01:32:40,480
too.
Because I meant.

1509
01:32:40,560 --> 01:32:44,000
She and she said Iguaine there
hasn't been the dream Walker in

1510
01:32:44,000 --> 01:32:46,800
the tower in hundreds of years.
Hundreds of years.

1511
01:32:47,160 --> 01:32:51,520
Yeah.
So that's going to be

1512
01:32:51,520 --> 01:32:55,240
interesting to see how that
develops, because again, it Gwen

1513
01:32:55,240 --> 01:32:59,480
was in her own dream, being
being choked out by Rena slash

1514
01:32:59,480 --> 01:33:02,320
land fear, and then all of a
sudden she ends up in this

1515
01:33:02,320 --> 01:33:03,280
other.
Woman, she goes to someone

1516
01:33:03,280 --> 01:33:04,120
else's dream.
Yeah.

1517
01:33:04,160 --> 01:33:08,000
I'm like, how do you just pop
into a person's dream, a person

1518
01:33:08,000 --> 01:33:12,440
you don't even know?
But like, I think it was this

1519
01:33:12,440 --> 01:33:16,800
episode where she explains to
Egg Wayne, she says everyone

1520
01:33:16,800 --> 01:33:21,680
can, everyone has the ability to
touch Teleron Rion, but not

1521
01:33:21,680 --> 01:33:24,520
everyone has the ability to
enter it, right?

1522
01:33:24,640 --> 01:33:27,680
And I was like, oh, OK.
So it's just kind of like,

1523
01:33:27,680 --> 01:33:29,960
again, going back to Inception,
it's like a dream within a

1524
01:33:29,960 --> 01:33:31,480
dream.
Right.

1525
01:33:31,880 --> 01:33:36,600
So yeah.
This isn't a spoiler, but in the

1526
01:33:36,600 --> 01:33:40,920
book there there are several
ways you can get into Teleron

1527
01:33:40,920 --> 01:33:43,760
Riyadh.
You are a dream Walker and you

1528
01:33:43,760 --> 01:33:49,640
can let me not give way too much
so you can go there.

1529
01:33:50,560 --> 01:33:56,600
In your dream, you can
physically enter Teleron Riyadh,

1530
01:33:57,400 --> 01:34:00,480
which is the most dangerous
thing to do.

1531
01:34:00,840 --> 01:34:05,560
OK.
And you can kind of.

1532
01:34:05,880 --> 01:34:07,600
And there are other ways to get
there too.

1533
01:34:09,520 --> 01:34:15,600
We see Swan and Rain use the
picture frames.

1534
01:34:16,320 --> 01:34:17,520
Oh, is that what they were
doing?

1535
01:34:17,520 --> 01:34:20,480
Is that Teleron Rial where we
where we saw them meet?

1536
01:34:20,800 --> 01:34:22,840
I I didn't, I didn't know that
at the time.

1537
01:34:23,200 --> 01:34:31,080
Yeah, there's some or Tehran
rial that can help you get into

1538
01:34:31,080 --> 01:34:37,880
the world of dreams.
OK, OK.

1539
01:34:38,160 --> 01:34:41,120
And I'm sure you'll probably
find out more about this as the

1540
01:34:41,120 --> 01:34:43,200
episodes go on, because.
Yeah, A.

1541
01:34:43,560 --> 01:34:45,680
Lot.
Yeah, when this when this

1542
01:34:45,680 --> 01:34:49,520
episode aired, there are a lot
of people suspecting that maybe

1543
01:34:49,520 --> 01:34:53,200
some of those items that were
stolen out of the 13th

1544
01:34:53,200 --> 01:35:00,200
repository were because more
those of us who read the books

1545
01:35:00,200 --> 01:35:06,440
know there are more of those
items to enter the world of

1546
01:35:06,440 --> 01:35:07,920
dreams.
Ah, OK.

1547
01:35:08,120 --> 01:35:12,240
Most of them were made for that
purpose, so it's possible that

1548
01:35:12,320 --> 01:35:16,320
they were because if you're
going to have secret meetings,

1549
01:35:17,160 --> 01:35:20,800
we saw a secret meeting in the
beginning of season.

1550
01:35:20,800 --> 01:35:23,000
Was that season 2?
With.

1551
01:35:23,880 --> 01:35:28,640
Ishamael, And that was in
Teleron, Riyadh, so not everyone

1552
01:35:28,640 --> 01:35:30,280
can get there.
So how did they get there?

1553
01:35:30,280 --> 01:35:32,880
They had to use items of power
to get there.

1554
01:35:32,960 --> 01:35:35,480
So they have Trollix in Teleron
Riyadh too.

1555
01:35:36,680 --> 01:35:40,240
If he had wanted to bring one
there, he could have remember,

1556
01:35:40,240 --> 01:35:42,560
he could.
He could bring one there

1557
01:35:42,560 --> 01:35:45,720
physically.
OK, OK.

1558
01:35:46,040 --> 01:35:50,560
He wanted to show the little
girl one and he also, if they

1559
01:35:50,560 --> 01:35:53,720
are, if they've made them as
powerful as I think they made

1560
01:35:53,720 --> 01:35:57,800
them, he could create one there
and it may not be a real 1.

1561
01:35:58,160 --> 01:36:00,520
Oh, OK.
It would just be a a

1562
01:36:00,520 --> 01:36:02,640
manifestation of real 1.
OK.

1563
01:36:02,840 --> 01:36:06,440
But he also could have brought
one there physically as well.

1564
01:36:06,840 --> 01:36:12,000
OK, OK.
But not all, not all, not even

1565
01:36:12,000 --> 01:36:17,400
all the Forsaken have that
ability to enter tell around Rob

1566
01:36:17,400 --> 01:36:21,040
physically.
OK, Landfair, we do know

1567
01:36:21,040 --> 01:36:23,880
Landfair can.
I'm assuming she can.

1568
01:36:25,160 --> 01:36:29,760
Because I think that's, I think
when Moraine discussed landfill

1569
01:36:29,760 --> 01:36:33,440
for the first time, that was
what she said she could do.

1570
01:36:35,040 --> 01:36:40,240
She was telling Rand that that
was that was the her, her, I

1571
01:36:40,280 --> 01:36:43,240
don't know, her strongest power,
if that was what she was known

1572
01:36:43,240 --> 01:36:46,040
for, if that was, you know, her
specialty.

1573
01:36:46,400 --> 01:36:50,600
But yeah, that she could, that
she could come to you in your

1574
01:36:50,600 --> 01:36:52,640
dreams and that she could kill
you in your dreams.

1575
01:36:53,360 --> 01:36:57,240
Yeah, but OK, why do you have
that click on your face?

1576
01:36:57,760 --> 01:37:01,840
I just had a thought and I'm not
going to say anything else about

1577
01:37:02,000 --> 01:37:05,680
about that.
OK, but I'm assuming we're going

1578
01:37:05,680 --> 01:37:09,160
to learn more about Teleron
Riyadh because now that E Gwain

1579
01:37:09,440 --> 01:37:12,960
knows that this is possible,
well, I won't even say possibly.

1580
01:37:13,440 --> 01:37:14,760
This.
Is something you can do.

1581
01:37:15,080 --> 01:37:18,880
Yeah, and it plays a very
important role in a lot of

1582
01:37:18,880 --> 01:37:21,240
things that's coming up.
Oh, OK.

1583
01:37:22,520 --> 01:37:28,440
Well, in the book, in the story
going forward is very important.

1584
01:37:28,760 --> 01:37:34,040
They have in the book it has.
It takes Gwen a long time to

1585
01:37:34,440 --> 01:37:38,320
master the world of dreams like
a wise one.

1586
01:37:38,800 --> 01:37:42,080
They've started the process
already, so it seems like

1587
01:37:42,080 --> 01:37:44,000
they're going to accelerate her
learning.

1588
01:37:45,000 --> 01:37:49,520
But it's, it's just, it takes
her a while actually, but it

1589
01:37:49,520 --> 01:37:51,560
looks like they're going to try
to speed that up because we

1590
01:37:51,560 --> 01:37:52,920
don't have the time.
To.

1591
01:37:53,920 --> 01:37:56,920
Have them coach her into, you
know, knowing how to do all this

1592
01:37:56,920 --> 01:37:58,680
stuff.
Yeah, because the lady told her

1593
01:37:58,760 --> 01:38:01,400
she was going to teach her
because she saw the bruises and

1594
01:38:01,400 --> 01:38:03,760
she was like the woman who you
see in your dream, she's causing

1595
01:38:03,760 --> 01:38:06,400
these bruises.
And it was like, yeah, well, I

1596
01:38:06,400 --> 01:38:10,800
was told that whatever hurts are
inflicted on me and tell her I

1597
01:38:10,920 --> 01:38:14,680
will show up in the real world.
And lady was like, OK, you know

1598
01:38:14,680 --> 01:38:16,080
what?
Later on tonight, I'm going to

1599
01:38:16,080 --> 01:38:17,360
show you how to protect
yourself.

1600
01:38:17,360 --> 01:38:21,120
And I was like, oh, OK.
Like, you would think that she

1601
01:38:21,120 --> 01:38:22,520
would be more cautious about
that.

1602
01:38:22,520 --> 01:38:24,680
But like you said, they don't
have a lot of time.

1603
01:38:24,680 --> 01:38:27,440
So that's probably, they're
probably just like, OK, well,

1604
01:38:27,440 --> 01:38:29,480
you know what?
You wear the Isodai ring.

1605
01:38:29,480 --> 01:38:34,320
And it's maybe as far as the IO
waste, they don't know of any of

1606
01:38:34,320 --> 01:38:36,120
the stuff that's going on in the
tower.

1607
01:38:36,120 --> 01:38:37,480
They don't know about black
eyes.

1608
01:38:37,480 --> 01:38:38,520
And they just know.
OK.

1609
01:38:38,520 --> 01:38:41,680
The Izodi are supposed to be the
people that are helping the

1610
01:38:41,680 --> 01:38:44,440
world.
So since you are Izodi and you

1611
01:38:44,440 --> 01:38:47,640
are with the possible Kara Khan,
we'll help you.

1612
01:38:47,840 --> 01:38:48,720
Yeah.
You know.

1613
01:38:48,720 --> 01:38:52,040
And now, and now I think about
it, it makes me think that what

1614
01:38:52,040 --> 01:38:55,320
Landfill is doing, because at
first I thought Landfill was in

1615
01:38:55,320 --> 01:38:59,720
East Wayne's dream, but I think
Landfill is pulling her in to

1616
01:38:59,720 --> 01:39:04,080
tell around Riyadh.
OK.

1617
01:39:05,760 --> 01:39:11,000
And that's where she's hurting
her and telling around Riyadh, I

1618
01:39:11,000 --> 01:39:15,360
think, or is Wolf, maybe we'll
see.

1619
01:39:15,360 --> 01:39:21,320
Because it could be she's just
going into her dreams, going

1620
01:39:21,320 --> 01:39:26,200
into Eagle Wayne's dreams and
attacking her there, because

1621
01:39:26,200 --> 01:39:28,560
Eagle Wayne does still have
trauma about that.

1622
01:39:29,800 --> 01:39:32,880
But it would also be beneficial
for Landfill to pull her into

1623
01:39:32,880 --> 01:39:36,760
Totoran Riyad, because Gwen has
no idea what's really happening.

1624
01:39:36,840 --> 01:39:39,320
Yeah.
Does that make sense?

1625
01:39:39,320 --> 01:39:41,440
Yes.
So I guess it doesn't matter

1626
01:39:41,440 --> 01:39:43,720
because she could be doing that
in one of those things and they

1627
01:39:43,720 --> 01:39:46,920
will be equally as dangerous for
Gwen because Gwen doesn't know

1628
01:39:46,920 --> 01:39:50,040
what what's happening.
Yeah, so that's OK.

1629
01:39:50,360 --> 01:39:52,600
She about to learn.
Well, hopefully.

1630
01:39:52,600 --> 01:39:56,960
Well, yeah, because if if Bear's
going to teach her and Bear's a

1631
01:39:56,960 --> 01:39:59,960
dream Walker, then yeah.
Yeah.

1632
01:40:00,400 --> 01:40:04,480
Yeah.
So OK, I look, I'm just waiting

1633
01:40:04,480 --> 01:40:09,720
for the I'm waiting for the day
when a Gwaine has been properly

1634
01:40:09,720 --> 01:40:14,680
trained and she and laugh here
can go up against each other.

1635
01:40:14,680 --> 01:40:17,960
I just want to see that fight.
I just want to see that fight.

1636
01:40:18,520 --> 01:40:21,400
So OK, so let's let's go to the
steam Hut.

1637
01:40:21,400 --> 01:40:27,720
The hot.
Yoga, the sauna, whatever he's

1638
01:40:27,720 --> 01:40:28,840
got going.
So LAN.

1639
01:40:29,160 --> 01:40:31,480
Was like.
Let's talk about first of all,

1640
01:40:31,480 --> 01:40:36,120
let's talk about beautiful women
pulling heart strings anyway.

1641
01:40:36,320 --> 01:40:39,440
But yeah, LAN is like what the
fuck, it's hot in here.

1642
01:40:41,120 --> 01:40:44,200
And even Marine who likes her
baths hot shit where they're

1643
01:40:44,200 --> 01:40:45,960
like Oh my God.
Right.

1644
01:40:46,240 --> 01:40:50,480
Oh, they're making it hotter.
And the the girl said she was

1645
01:40:50,480 --> 01:40:52,040
like, what?
Have you never been in the steam

1646
01:40:52,040 --> 01:40:54,120
tent before?
And Lamb was like, no, we have

1647
01:40:54,120 --> 01:40:57,520
not.
And what, what, what's the older

1648
01:40:57,520 --> 01:41:02,160
wise wise one's name?
Bear Yes.

1649
01:41:02,360 --> 01:41:04,800
What's the silver?
Hair, she was like, yeah, they

1650
01:41:04,800 --> 01:41:06,520
have so much water where they're
from.

1651
01:41:06,520 --> 01:41:08,840
They they sit in it and and
bathe.

1652
01:41:11,960 --> 01:41:14,720
So The funny thing about it is
they're sitting there having a

1653
01:41:14,720 --> 01:41:18,600
conversation and Marine asks a
question.

1654
01:41:18,840 --> 01:41:24,280
Oh, she asked him about Ruidian
and the woman was like, do they

1655
01:41:24,280 --> 01:41:26,400
not teach you manners where
you're from, child?

1656
01:41:26,400 --> 01:41:30,520
I was like, wait, and Marine is
even looking at land.

1657
01:41:30,520 --> 01:41:32,960
Like what the fuck did I say?
Just ask her a question.

1658
01:41:35,520 --> 01:41:38,160
But you know, that's how it is
when you go into the when you go

1659
01:41:38,160 --> 01:41:41,840
into the world or the land of
another culture and you don't

1660
01:41:41,840 --> 01:41:45,520
know what their what their
customs are, what their

1661
01:41:45,520 --> 01:41:47,320
procedures are.
You don't know what's what's

1662
01:41:47,320 --> 01:41:49,480
acceptable, what's not
acceptable.

1663
01:41:49,720 --> 01:41:53,600
What was it when they were
walking before and he had, she

1664
01:41:53,640 --> 01:41:56,800
asked him, someone asked him a
question about the wise ones and

1665
01:41:57,320 --> 01:41:59,240
he's like, that's the wise ones
business.

1666
01:41:59,680 --> 01:42:02,640
Well, who are the wise ones?
How did you how did you know we

1667
01:42:02,680 --> 01:42:04,480
were coming?
That's wise.

1668
01:42:04,480 --> 01:42:06,760
Ones business.
And who are the wise ones?

1669
01:42:06,880 --> 01:42:08,120
That's also.
Wise ones business.

1670
01:42:10,040 --> 01:42:14,040
So apparently they can call
people child 'cause that is wise

1671
01:42:14,160 --> 01:42:16,800
ones business.
Yeah, but Moraine is probably

1672
01:42:16,800 --> 01:42:19,360
older than all of them.
Are you sure?

1673
01:42:20,320 --> 01:42:22,200
Oh, well, I, I mean, I don't
know 'cause I don't know

1674
01:42:22,320 --> 01:42:25,240
anything about the IEO people.
I don't know anything about how

1675
01:42:25,240 --> 01:42:27,280
long they live and stuff like
that.

1676
01:42:27,520 --> 01:42:29,000
So.
We don't know.

1677
01:42:29,320 --> 01:42:32,320
We don't know.
But anyway, so in the steam hook

1678
01:42:32,320 --> 01:42:35,280
while they're having this
conversation of.

1679
01:42:35,400 --> 01:42:39,600
Oh, she asked about Rowidian.
So Rowidian is where the chiefs

1680
01:42:39,600 --> 01:42:45,040
go, where men go to become
chiefs and women go to become

1681
01:42:45,360 --> 01:42:48,040
wise.
And that's where apparently Rand

1682
01:42:48,040 --> 01:42:52,480
has to go to be declared the car
con.

1683
01:42:52,880 --> 01:42:54,080
Yeah.
OK.

1684
01:42:54,600 --> 01:42:57,680
And it's it's a city.
Is that a city?

1685
01:42:58,240 --> 01:43:00,160
It is a place.
OK, it's a place.

1686
01:43:00,200 --> 01:43:03,360
OK, very distinct.
OK, it's.

1687
01:43:03,360 --> 01:43:06,600
No, this, I mean, it's a place.
OK.

1688
01:43:07,320 --> 01:43:10,480
City Place, right?
Right.

1689
01:43:10,800 --> 01:43:14,400
So that he does get that little
bit of or land and Moraine do

1690
01:43:14,400 --> 01:43:17,400
get that little bit of
information and stuff while

1691
01:43:17,400 --> 01:43:19,000
there.
But I think the most interesting

1692
01:43:19,000 --> 01:43:21,680
thing that happens in this Hut
is there is a woman over to the

1693
01:43:21,680 --> 01:43:25,320
side and she is just looking
both inland and Moraine's

1694
01:43:25,320 --> 01:43:28,240
direction.
And land is like, I think she's

1695
01:43:28,240 --> 01:43:29,920
looking at you.
And Moraine's like, no, she's

1696
01:43:29,920 --> 01:43:33,400
looking at you.
And LAN is trying to convince

1697
01:43:33,400 --> 01:43:36,360
Moraine like, hey, she's looking
at you, why don't you go hang

1698
01:43:36,400 --> 01:43:38,160
out with her?
Like you deserve to be happy

1699
01:43:38,160 --> 01:43:41,840
too.
And Moraine says, do you think

1700
01:43:41,840 --> 01:43:43,840
that being with her is what I
need to be happy?

1701
01:43:43,840 --> 01:43:46,240
He said, well, let's start.
And she was like, it's been so

1702
01:43:46,240 --> 01:43:47,800
long since I've been with
someone else.

1703
01:43:47,800 --> 01:43:49,520
He was like, you don't learn how
to do it.

1704
01:43:50,760 --> 01:43:52,600
You don't forget.
You don't forget how to do.

1705
01:43:52,960 --> 01:43:55,040
It right you, don't you?
Don't forget how it works,

1706
01:43:55,560 --> 01:43:58,520
right?
So when the woman comes out and

1707
01:43:58,520 --> 01:44:01,040
stands in front of them, she's
looking at both of them, or

1708
01:44:01,120 --> 01:44:03,880
Moraine is giving her a serious
eye.

1709
01:44:03,880 --> 01:44:07,800
She's like, yeah, I might well.
Well, she got a nipple hanging

1710
01:44:07,840 --> 01:44:10,520
out so.
Well, yeah, that too, but she

1711
01:44:10,520 --> 01:44:12,320
was like, yeah, I might need to
do this.

1712
01:44:12,320 --> 01:44:15,640
And then she looks at Land, and
she says something about would

1713
01:44:15,640 --> 01:44:19,840
you care to join me?
And Land is looking at her.

1714
01:44:19,840 --> 01:44:22,560
And he turns to look at Maraine.
Like, no, I don't think this is

1715
01:44:22,560 --> 01:44:25,640
what I want to do.
She turns around to walk out of

1716
01:44:25,640 --> 01:44:30,400
the tent, and she has a tattoo
on her back that makes both Land

1717
01:44:30,400 --> 01:44:33,000
and Moraine gasp.
Right.

1718
01:44:33,800 --> 01:44:39,320
This immediately makes me land,
stand up and walk out the tent

1719
01:44:39,320 --> 01:44:44,080
to follow her.
And he asked her who are you and

1720
01:44:44,280 --> 01:44:47,640
she tells him her name and what
tribe she's from from the IEO.

1721
01:44:47,840 --> 01:44:50,920
He was like the IEO don't have
tattoos, she said.

1722
01:44:50,960 --> 01:44:54,240
Also, you do recognize and he
said what are you doing with the

1723
01:44:54,240 --> 01:44:55,680
what?
What is it with the something?

1724
01:44:55,680 --> 01:44:59,000
The Golden Crane.
The golden crane of Malchiere on

1725
01:44:59,000 --> 01:45:01,640
your back.
And then she proceeds to tell

1726
01:45:01,640 --> 01:45:05,600
him that she was a child when
the blight came and she was

1727
01:45:05,600 --> 01:45:10,000
like, look, I'm part of the IEO.
She was like, I ran for my life

1728
01:45:10,000 --> 01:45:13,760
and one of the one of the wise
ones found me and adopted me as

1729
01:45:13,760 --> 01:45:17,200
her daughter.
She was like, but I will break

1730
01:45:17,200 --> 01:45:23,680
my spirits today and follow you
back to my care in order to take

1731
01:45:23,680 --> 01:45:27,560
our city back.
I was like, oh, so like, she

1732
01:45:27,560 --> 01:45:30,440
would have been a child because
LAN was a baby when Ma care

1733
01:45:30,880 --> 01:45:36,360
fell.
So she was like, OK, so yeah, I

1734
01:45:36,360 --> 01:45:38,440
I'll follow you if you want to
go take it back.

1735
01:45:38,440 --> 01:45:40,400
And he was like, ma care is
gone.

1736
01:45:41,200 --> 01:45:44,120
And what is it that she said?
She says as long as one man

1737
01:45:44,120 --> 01:45:51,080
wears the the Dory and one woman
and one woman wears something

1738
01:45:51,080 --> 01:45:51,600
else.
She.

1739
01:45:52,280 --> 01:45:56,360
Yeah, she was like, we can go
back and claim it.

1740
01:45:56,760 --> 01:46:01,720
Yeah, Macchia lives as long as
she she.

1741
01:46:01,760 --> 01:46:04,640
Called him another time, she
said.

1742
01:46:04,880 --> 01:46:05,920
Because.
She.

1743
01:46:06,440 --> 01:46:10,440
Yeah, what is?
That this is like king.

1744
01:46:10,800 --> 01:46:13,880
Oh, OK, because she asked me.
She said I see you, you carry

1745
01:46:13,880 --> 01:46:16,000
your father's sword.
She was like, do you still fight

1746
01:46:16,000 --> 01:46:19,880
his fight?
And he almost looked, I don't

1747
01:46:19,880 --> 01:46:22,480
know, offended that at that.
He was like, I have never

1748
01:46:22,480 --> 01:46:24,960
forgotten.
And she was like, OK.

1749
01:46:25,440 --> 01:46:29,000
OK, I have to speak to him to
say every day, God damn it.

1750
01:46:31,800 --> 01:46:33,680
But he was like, I've never
forgotten.

1751
01:46:34,160 --> 01:46:38,240
So I was like, OK, so Land has
one of his people there with

1752
01:46:38,240 --> 01:46:41,200
him.
So I don't know if that if that

1753
01:46:41,880 --> 01:46:46,480
means something like, because
one of the things that we didn't

1754
01:46:46,480 --> 01:46:50,640
mention in the last episode that
I didn't think about until

1755
01:46:50,640 --> 01:46:52,320
afterwards, we were talking
about.

1756
01:46:53,840 --> 01:46:57,480
We were talking about the nice
moments that LAN and Naive were

1757
01:46:57,480 --> 01:46:59,600
having.
And one of the moments that they

1758
01:46:59,600 --> 01:47:03,240
had was when they get ready to
part ways because she's staying

1759
01:47:03,240 --> 01:47:05,520
at the tower.
He's going on this quest with

1760
01:47:05,520 --> 01:47:09,880
Ran.
He places his mother's ring in

1761
01:47:09,880 --> 01:47:12,120
her hand.
The proposal.

1762
01:47:13,120 --> 01:47:15,560
I don't know if I look at that
as a proposal.

1763
01:47:15,560 --> 01:47:20,320
Because it is the proposal.
OK, you say it's a proposal, but

1764
01:47:20,320 --> 01:47:21,200
it's a.
Proposal.

1765
01:47:21,800 --> 01:47:26,680
But you know, I think he was, he
was kind of referencing her time

1766
01:47:26,680 --> 01:47:29,320
in the Arches and he told her,
he said there is no other woman

1767
01:47:29,320 --> 01:47:32,000
I would have as my queen in this
or any.

1768
01:47:32,440 --> 01:47:34,200
Any life.
You know.

1769
01:47:34,720 --> 01:47:36,240
That sounds like a proposal to
me.

1770
01:47:36,240 --> 01:47:38,560
Hunter girl it.
It doesn't to me.

1771
01:47:38,560 --> 01:47:43,480
And I'm, I'm going to tell you
why, because I think with the

1772
01:47:43,480 --> 01:47:46,320
first season when we saw them
together and even with this

1773
01:47:46,320 --> 01:47:49,080
season, they have both
acknowledged that as much as

1774
01:47:49,080 --> 01:47:51,240
they care about each other, as
much as they love each other,

1775
01:47:51,440 --> 01:47:54,360
they cannot be together for
various reasons.

1776
01:47:54,600 --> 01:47:59,440
I mean, even 90s says in the
Arches they were happy, but they

1777
01:47:59,440 --> 01:48:02,680
also weren't because they
weren't who they weren't what

1778
01:48:02,680 --> 01:48:05,200
they they weren't doing what
they really wanted to do.

1779
01:48:07,240 --> 01:48:10,760
OK, you can interpret that one
way, or you can interpret it as

1780
01:48:11,760 --> 01:48:15,440
neither one of them have become
who they are supposed to be.

1781
01:48:16,960 --> 01:48:19,920
Yes.
And when that point, when that

1782
01:48:19,920 --> 01:48:23,800
happens, they will be together.
And and and in that case I

1783
01:48:23,800 --> 01:48:28,720
accept.
I expect a proper proposal, but

1784
01:48:28,720 --> 01:48:32,320
I I think that would.
He he is a king who is not a

1785
01:48:32,320 --> 01:48:40,120
king, and she is in she is the
most powerful in 1000 years.

1786
01:48:42,200 --> 01:48:44,320
Out of drink, no.
But yeah.

1787
01:48:44,560 --> 01:48:50,000
So I kind of looked at it more
as a symbolic gesture instead of

1788
01:48:50,000 --> 01:48:52,640
a proposal.
Now, once they get to be.

1789
01:48:52,640 --> 01:48:56,120
A friendship ring.
Supposed to be then not not even

1790
01:48:56,160 --> 01:48:59,200
I won't even say a friendship
OK, a promise ring Let's let's.

1791
01:48:59,400 --> 01:49:02,680
Say, there you go, Promise Ring.
I looked at that as we'll be

1792
01:49:02,760 --> 01:49:04,000
halfway.
Promise Ring.

1793
01:49:04,240 --> 01:49:09,720
OK, yeah, promise ring.
But you know, I just, I just

1794
01:49:09,720 --> 01:49:13,360
felt like because they mentioned
that and, you know, they talked

1795
01:49:13,360 --> 01:49:17,800
a little bit about the history
of Mal care because he was

1796
01:49:17,800 --> 01:49:20,040
explaining to her about the Mal
care blade.

1797
01:49:20,040 --> 01:49:22,200
And then now they're doing this
part.

1798
01:49:22,480 --> 01:49:27,720
I was like, OK, so is land going
to try to become king?

1799
01:49:27,720 --> 01:49:30,000
Like is he going to try to claim
his Kingdom back?

1800
01:49:30,000 --> 01:49:34,080
Is he going to try to rebuild?
And that's why they're throwing

1801
01:49:34,080 --> 01:49:37,760
all of these because in the
first season, we, we didn't hear

1802
01:49:37,760 --> 01:49:40,520
almost anything about who he was
until towards the end of the

1803
01:49:40,520 --> 01:49:44,360
season.
And now we've heard it, but

1804
01:49:45,040 --> 01:49:50,360
three episodes in a row, I'm
like, are we going to get some

1805
01:49:50,360 --> 01:49:52,160
of that?
Like is that going to be a part

1806
01:49:52,160 --> 01:49:53,920
of the story?
A part of his story?

1807
01:49:54,400 --> 01:49:57,200
So I I don't know.
I just I just thought it was

1808
01:49:57,200 --> 01:50:03,320
very interesting that envy IO
waste of all places, he happens

1809
01:50:03,320 --> 01:50:05,120
to find someone from his
Kingdom.

1810
01:50:05,720 --> 01:50:07,440
That was just very interesting
to me.

1811
01:50:08,720 --> 01:50:13,160
So I don't know are are we going
to see anything about Mountier

1812
01:50:13,800 --> 01:50:15,480
Anthony?
Do they?

1813
01:50:15,480 --> 01:50:16,920
Do they?
Maybe.

1814
01:50:18,400 --> 01:50:19,840
Maybe I'm.
Not going to.

1815
01:50:20,160 --> 01:50:22,840
I'm not going to pay.
She's she's an original

1816
01:50:22,840 --> 01:50:26,240
character with not an original
character name, but she's an

1817
01:50:26,240 --> 01:50:32,440
original character.
And I, I could say it is a seed

1818
01:50:32,440 --> 01:50:36,560
to let you know that there are
some Al Kiri out there.

1819
01:50:37,000 --> 01:50:39,880
Just because this city is gone
doesn't mean the people are

1820
01:50:39,880 --> 01:50:41,240
gone.
Right, right.

1821
01:50:41,240 --> 01:50:46,240
That's yeah.
But OK, I just like I.

1822
01:50:46,520 --> 01:50:49,800
Said, I thought that he he has a
very they all steal from each

1823
01:50:49,800 --> 01:50:51,720
other.
He's very symmetric born.

1824
01:50:52,520 --> 01:50:55,440
It's it's the same, it's the
same thing.

1825
01:50:56,880 --> 01:50:59,560
OK, OK.
He spent most of his life in the

1826
01:50:59,560 --> 01:51:06,480
wilderness as as a Ranger,
knowing he was the rightful heir

1827
01:51:06,800 --> 01:51:09,800
to the throne of Gondor.
Right.

1828
01:51:10,440 --> 01:51:14,120
And Arnor.
But you know, something had to

1829
01:51:14,120 --> 01:51:16,440
push him to do what he needed to
do.

1830
01:51:16,600 --> 01:51:23,400
Yeah, OK, All right.
But I'll just keep that in my

1831
01:51:23,400 --> 01:51:27,560
mind because I would like to see
a little bit more of like I know

1832
01:51:27,560 --> 01:51:32,000
the story is mainly focused on
Moraine and on Ran, but I would

1833
01:51:32,000 --> 01:51:36,720
like to see a little bit more of
stories from the other

1834
01:51:36,720 --> 01:51:39,160
characters point of views,
especially the interesting

1835
01:51:39,160 --> 01:51:41,640
characters.
Because yes, I know Land is kind

1836
01:51:41,640 --> 01:51:45,040
of he's kind of quiet, he's kind
of stoic, but to me, he's still

1837
01:51:45,040 --> 01:51:47,720
one of the more interesting
characters on the show.

1838
01:51:48,160 --> 01:51:51,520
So I would like to see a little
bit more from his perspective,

1839
01:51:51,520 --> 01:51:56,720
his point of view and and kind
of a a story of his own and not

1840
01:51:56,840 --> 01:52:00,080
him being, you know, just kind
of like a spoke in the wheel of

1841
01:52:00,120 --> 01:52:06,480
everyone else's.
But let's see, where do we want

1842
01:52:06,480 --> 01:52:08,160
to go next?
Do we want to go to parent or do

1843
01:52:08,160 --> 01:52:10,520
we want to go to Matt?
Do we want to say Matt for last?

1844
01:52:11,960 --> 01:52:13,840
Yes.
OK, we're going to save Matt for

1845
01:52:13,840 --> 01:52:15,640
last.
Let's let's go to the Two

1846
01:52:15,640 --> 01:52:20,320
Rivers.
Karen is not having a great time

1847
01:52:20,320 --> 01:52:25,120
trying to turn himself in.
Like they're making it very,

1848
01:52:25,120 --> 01:52:28,200
very hard for him to do this.
Yeah, so I think we talked about

1849
01:52:28,200 --> 01:52:31,720
this last episode they made.
They made it different because

1850
01:52:31,960 --> 01:52:35,760
in the book he comes back
because he hears the two of his

1851
01:52:35,760 --> 01:52:39,440
is in trouble and he gets there
he finds out that his family has

1852
01:52:39,440 --> 01:52:44,560
been murdered.
But here Tam Al Thor, Rand's

1853
01:52:44,560 --> 01:52:50,280
father, got parents family out
and.

1854
01:52:50,320 --> 01:52:55,000
That's father as well, because
that that's part of the conflict

1855
01:52:55,000 --> 01:52:58,480
with this episode, because the
White Cloaks have taken Matt's

1856
01:52:58,480 --> 01:53:02,280
mother and sisters because they
found out, oh, her husband

1857
01:53:02,280 --> 01:53:07,560
helped the Iberas get out.
So we're going to take them.

1858
01:53:07,600 --> 01:53:12,800
And then you know, when, when
this group of people come into

1859
01:53:14,360 --> 01:53:17,960
Egwayne's mother's Tavern Hut
where?

1860
01:53:17,960 --> 01:53:20,840
Where?
Yeah, when they come in and tell

1861
01:53:20,840 --> 01:53:23,840
them they're like yeah, they
took they took Natty and the

1862
01:53:23,840 --> 01:53:29,240
girls because I can't remember
Matt's father's name because he

1863
01:53:29,240 --> 01:53:33,160
helped the Ibaras leave.
And then parent comes down and

1864
01:53:33,160 --> 01:53:35,680
they're like who are you?
And one of the guys is like hey,

1865
01:53:35,680 --> 01:53:37,440
that's parent, that's the Ibarra
boy.

1866
01:53:37,440 --> 01:53:39,680
Like that's the whole reason
Daddy is gone.

1867
01:53:40,280 --> 01:53:45,360
And parent tells them he's like,
look, if they came for me then

1868
01:53:45,360 --> 01:53:48,120
I'll go turn myself in.
So they'll let Natty and the

1869
01:53:48,120 --> 01:53:50,560
girls go.
Like this was Parents plan all

1870
01:53:50,560 --> 01:53:51,880
along.
He had said this in the last

1871
01:53:51,880 --> 01:53:53,440
episode.
Like, if that's why they're

1872
01:53:53,440 --> 01:53:57,560
here, then we'll go ahead and
just, you know, turn myself in

1873
01:53:57,560 --> 01:54:02,120
and and we'll, you know, fix it.
But when they have a a meeting

1874
01:54:02,120 --> 01:54:06,120
of the townspeople later on that
day, they're like, OK, but

1875
01:54:06,120 --> 01:54:08,480
here's the thing.
If you turn yourselves in, if

1876
01:54:08,480 --> 01:54:11,640
you turn yourself in, yeah,
they'll let Natty and the girls

1877
01:54:11,640 --> 01:54:13,840
go.
But then that means the white

1878
01:54:13,840 --> 01:54:16,160
clothes won't have any reason to
be here anymore.

1879
01:54:16,560 --> 01:54:20,480
And if the white clothes leave,
we don't have protection against

1880
01:54:20,480 --> 01:54:23,800
the Trollix anymore.
And then what is it that Gwen's

1881
01:54:23,800 --> 01:54:26,720
mom says She says.
So if that happens, then we

1882
01:54:26,720 --> 01:54:31,280
won't even have our pride left
when the Trollix come because

1883
01:54:31,280 --> 01:54:33,960
she's in her mind.
Like she said she was like,

1884
01:54:33,960 --> 01:54:36,000
parent, we've all watched you
grow up.

1885
01:54:36,040 --> 01:54:38,280
You are part of this town.
We protect our own.

1886
01:54:38,800 --> 01:54:41,320
And, you know, yes, there are a
couple of people who are like,

1887
01:54:41,320 --> 01:54:43,760
yeah, we'll just let him turn
himself in and then we'll be

1888
01:54:43,760 --> 01:54:45,960
safe.
I don't know who that one woman

1889
01:54:45,960 --> 01:54:48,400
was that was going off on that
dude.

1890
01:54:48,400 --> 01:54:52,600
She was like, look.
Oh, Con conjure, Conjure, yeah.

1891
01:54:52,840 --> 01:54:55,520
Lady Conjure, Yeah.
We're not about to turn him in.

1892
01:54:55,520 --> 01:54:58,120
And if you want to talk about
who's what, I'm going to tell

1893
01:54:58,120 --> 01:55:00,240
you what you are.
And he's looking at her like.

1894
01:55:01,560 --> 01:55:06,640
Hey, let's just real quick and
real note on the group that show

1895
01:55:06,640 --> 01:55:11,520
that the the new people Luke and
and fire you.

1896
01:55:11,680 --> 01:55:15,560
They are hunters for the horn.
Yes, so.

1897
01:55:15,680 --> 01:55:17,720
They came to the Two Rivers
looking for the horn.

1898
01:55:19,040 --> 01:55:20,640
They're on the wrong side of the
world.

1899
01:55:21,760 --> 01:55:24,840
They don't know it yet.
They don't, unless unless

1900
01:55:24,960 --> 01:55:27,920
they've heard the gleaming
singing of Matt Coffin from the

1901
01:55:27,920 --> 01:55:31,320
Two Rivers as the Horn.
Apparently it hasn't gotten

1902
01:55:31,320 --> 01:55:34,640
everywhere yet.
Apparently that story has not

1903
01:55:34,640 --> 01:55:37,520
gotten everywhere, because if
they heard it in the Two Rivers,

1904
01:55:37,520 --> 01:55:40,480
they would not believe it.
Right.

1905
01:55:42,560 --> 01:55:48,320
So yeah, put a pin in Fayil and
put a pin in Luke, because

1906
01:55:48,320 --> 01:55:54,560
they're very important.
OK, yeah, that Fayil she is that

1907
01:55:54,760 --> 01:55:57,440
her name?
Fayil.

1908
01:55:57,600 --> 01:55:58,280
Fayil.
Fayil.

1909
01:55:58,560 --> 01:56:01,440
Yeah, well, that's her real
name, because the name that he

1910
01:56:01,440 --> 01:56:05,680
she gave him was.
The same as Lance, horse, Lance.

1911
01:56:05,720 --> 01:56:08,720
Horse.
She's like, I dare you say

1912
01:56:08,720 --> 01:56:10,720
something bad about it.
No, no, no, no, no.

1913
01:56:10,720 --> 01:56:12,600
That's that's what he named this
horse.

1914
01:56:12,600 --> 01:56:14,920
Yeah, I know my.
Friend named this horse.

1915
01:56:14,960 --> 01:56:16,320
Yeah, that's what he called this
horse.

1916
01:56:16,640 --> 01:56:26,080
But she she seems to have kind
of a curious interest in Paris.

1917
01:56:26,960 --> 01:56:28,840
Karen Ibarra.
Karen Ibarra.

1918
01:56:28,920 --> 01:56:30,440
I know and I love the way she
talks.

1919
01:56:30,440 --> 01:56:31,880
I love the way she says his
name.

1920
01:56:31,880 --> 01:56:36,040
I'm like, OK, yeah, I can.
Like, I don't know if this is

1921
01:56:36,040 --> 01:56:37,960
where this is going, but I ship
them.

1922
01:56:38,000 --> 01:56:40,840
I, I don't know something about
them two together.

1923
01:56:40,840 --> 01:56:42,160
I can.
I can so.

1924
01:56:42,160 --> 01:56:47,680
Far the two perfect castings on
this show are Leandrian and

1925
01:56:47,680 --> 01:56:49,880
Fayo.
Really perfect castings.

1926
01:56:50,320 --> 01:56:55,320
OK, OK, yeah.
But yeah, so they come in and

1927
01:56:55,400 --> 01:56:59,480
and parent, they basically tell
parent, OK, yeah, no, you're not

1928
01:56:59,480 --> 01:57:04,280
giving yourself up because one,
we take care of our own and two,

1929
01:57:04,920 --> 01:57:08,000
if you give yourself up, the
white coats will leave and then

1930
01:57:08,000 --> 01:57:12,160
the Trollix will still come.
So they decide at that moment

1931
01:57:12,160 --> 01:57:13,680
parents not going to give
themself up.

1932
01:57:13,960 --> 01:57:17,400
But then parent happens to see a
lot of them are getting ready to

1933
01:57:17,400 --> 01:57:18,400
leave.
And he was like, where are you

1934
01:57:18,400 --> 01:57:21,880
guys going?
And they're like, yeah, I'm

1935
01:57:21,920 --> 01:57:23,680
about to go back to my farm,
like.

1936
01:57:24,360 --> 01:57:26,880
Yeah.
There's no reason for us to stay

1937
01:57:26,880 --> 01:57:28,800
here anymore.
And he was like, what happens if

1938
01:57:28,800 --> 01:57:31,760
the travelers come?
That dude was like I had a oak

1939
01:57:31,760 --> 01:57:34,160
fall on my property.
I'm going to go home and turn it

1940
01:57:34,160 --> 01:57:37,640
into a bar for the door and
parent is like that shit ain't

1941
01:57:37,640 --> 01:57:39,640
going to work.
Were y'all not here at bell

1942
01:57:39,640 --> 01:57:40,800
time?
Did y'all not see?

1943
01:57:40,800 --> 01:57:43,240
That's what I said, they got
some short, they got some short

1944
01:57:43,320 --> 01:57:44,800
ass memories they don't even
remember.

1945
01:57:45,200 --> 01:57:47,120
I think it must be a trauma
response.

1946
01:57:47,120 --> 01:57:51,040
It it has blacked it out 'cause.
'Cause there was.

1947
01:57:51,080 --> 01:57:54,040
Like, OK, yeah, there's one or
two, you know, one or two

1948
01:57:54,040 --> 01:57:56,680
trollops here or there.
You know, we can do that.

1949
01:57:56,680 --> 01:58:02,560
But if, yeah, if 100 come, he
was like 10 people over here, 20

1950
01:58:02,560 --> 01:58:04,800
people over here, 20 people be
over there.

1951
01:58:05,000 --> 01:58:07,920
He was like, no, you guys are
just going to be trolley food

1952
01:58:07,920 --> 01:58:11,520
basically.
No, we have to stick together.

1953
01:58:12,480 --> 01:58:13,960
That's the best way to fight
them.

1954
01:58:14,200 --> 01:58:16,600
And I'm sitting here looking at
him make this little speech and

1955
01:58:16,600 --> 01:58:19,040
I'm like, so you don't want to
be a leader parent, huh?

1956
01:58:19,800 --> 01:58:24,320
You said this before to Rand and
now you having to say it to her

1957
01:58:24,320 --> 01:58:28,000
because she said the same thing
when she was like, so yeah,

1958
01:58:28,000 --> 01:58:30,160
you're going to you're going to
have to do this if you're going

1959
01:58:30,160 --> 01:58:31,240
to leave.
And he was like, I don't want to

1960
01:58:31,240 --> 01:58:31,840
leave.
She just.

1961
01:58:32,680 --> 01:58:34,120
OK, sure.
OK.

1962
01:58:35,280 --> 01:58:37,520
Yeah, it seems like a natural
born leader to me.

1963
01:58:37,520 --> 01:58:39,120
He.
Does, isn't he?

1964
01:58:39,480 --> 01:58:43,160
He's also a Tiberian.
He's a Tiberian to say man.

1965
01:58:43,320 --> 01:58:44,960
But you know it's.
It's so.

1966
01:58:45,560 --> 01:58:49,240
I know, but it's so strange
because that that time has not

1967
01:58:49,240 --> 01:58:52,440
come up in the show at all.
I'm going to keep saying it

1968
01:58:52,440 --> 01:58:56,240
until they bring it back.
I know because to say it would

1969
01:58:56,240 --> 01:59:00,920
explain some of the things
that's happening to them and

1970
01:59:00,920 --> 01:59:03,920
that would explain what's
happening to to parent.

1971
01:59:04,080 --> 01:59:06,120
Yeah.
Not what's happening to him, but

1972
01:59:06,120 --> 01:59:10,240
that would help you understand
how the pattern is shaping

1973
01:59:10,240 --> 01:59:14,400
itself around him, putting him
in this position where he's

1974
01:59:14,400 --> 01:59:16,200
going to be leading these
people.

1975
01:59:16,320 --> 01:59:18,840
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.

1976
01:59:19,200 --> 01:59:25,920
Which, you know, going back to
the other couple that's in the

1977
01:59:25,920 --> 01:59:28,120
Two Rivers, we got all these
couples together.

1978
01:59:28,120 --> 01:59:28,920
We.
Do.

1979
01:59:30,840 --> 01:59:35,720
Maxim and Alana and that whole
scene with them was

1980
01:59:35,720 --> 01:59:39,600
heartbreaking.
It would, I mean even even the

1981
01:59:39,600 --> 01:59:40,400
one.
With.

1982
01:59:41,360 --> 01:59:45,160
Her, yeah, I was going to say
the one with him, with her and

1983
01:59:45,160 --> 01:59:47,760
parent in the apple blossom, I
guess.

1984
01:59:47,760 --> 01:59:49,120
I don't know.
I don't want to call it an

1985
01:59:49,120 --> 01:59:51,360
orchard, but just like she was
like OK, so.

1986
01:59:51,360 --> 01:59:53,360
You say it was a graveyard.
Yeah, it was.

1987
01:59:53,360 --> 01:59:55,600
It's a burial site because she
was like, I never would have

1988
01:59:55,600 --> 01:59:58,120
taken you as a gardener.
He's like, this is, you know,

1989
01:59:58,200 --> 02:00:00,160
it's not that this is a burial
site.

1990
02:00:00,160 --> 02:00:02,120
This is where all of my family
are buried.

1991
02:00:02,720 --> 02:00:06,120
And he explains that when his
family is buried.

1992
02:00:06,880 --> 02:00:09,800
They're each buried with an
apple blossom seed in their

1993
02:00:09,800 --> 02:00:11,680
hand.
And that's why you have these

1994
02:00:11,680 --> 02:00:15,320
beautiful white apple trees just
kind of in the middle of all

1995
02:00:15,320 --> 02:00:17,200
this green.
I thought it was so beautiful.

1996
02:00:17,200 --> 02:00:21,280
And, you know, she sits down and
she was like, so whose tree is

1997
02:00:21,280 --> 02:00:23,360
that?
Because he's putting his broken

1998
02:00:23,360 --> 02:00:25,760
ring in the tree.
Because I don't think we

1999
02:00:25,760 --> 02:00:29,520
mentioned that when when he got
attacked by for a second, his

2000
02:00:29,600 --> 02:00:32,440
his ring was broken because the
axe hit him in the hand.

2001
02:00:32,840 --> 02:00:34,720
So he was telling her that that
was his wife's.

2002
02:00:34,720 --> 02:00:36,640
And he was like, I missed her
burial.

2003
02:00:37,080 --> 02:00:41,320
And he said it pains and also
comforts me to see how her tree

2004
02:00:41,320 --> 02:00:46,440
has blossomed in my absence.
And I was like, that's so sad

2005
02:00:46,440 --> 02:00:50,040
because that tree was already
like several feet high.

2006
02:00:50,040 --> 02:00:52,120
That tells you how long he's
been gone.

2007
02:00:53,280 --> 02:00:57,560
But and then.
She explained to him about the

2008
02:00:57,560 --> 02:00:59,960
ass.
Yes, we were the ass.

2009
02:01:00,520 --> 02:01:06,640
She said we, we, yeah, we, we,
we use the ash of our loved ones

2010
02:01:06,640 --> 02:01:08,360
and we mix it.
What did she say?

2011
02:01:08,360 --> 02:01:11,440
We mix it with clay and water.
And we wear it on our face like

2012
02:01:11,440 --> 02:01:16,320
a second skin so that the grief
will seep in.

2013
02:01:17,400 --> 02:01:21,360
And that just made me hurt so
much more because we know that

2014
02:01:21,360 --> 02:01:23,520
now that she's wearing that for
Ivan.

2015
02:01:24,080 --> 02:01:28,160
And then to have her and Maxim
have the conversation after that

2016
02:01:28,160 --> 02:01:30,400
where he was like, why don't you
turn the bond on?

2017
02:01:30,400 --> 02:01:31,720
You've never kept it on this
long.

2018
02:01:31,720 --> 02:01:34,520
She's like, well, I'm keeping it
on because we're in danger.

2019
02:01:34,520 --> 02:01:36,440
We got trolleys and white cloaks
around.

2020
02:01:36,840 --> 02:01:40,480
And he was like, I, you don't
understand.

2021
02:01:40,480 --> 02:01:42,680
I can feel that.
You feel nothing for Ivan.

2022
02:01:42,680 --> 02:01:45,880
And she was like, no, I'm just
trying to protect myself because

2023
02:01:45,960 --> 02:01:49,080
I'm taking in all your grief.
No, no, she said.

2024
02:01:49,840 --> 02:01:54,040
I'm drowning in your grief.
Yeah, I'm drowning in your

2025
02:01:54,040 --> 02:01:55,280
grief.
I'll wake up in the middle of

2026
02:01:55,280 --> 02:01:59,560
the night choking on it.
Because what is it that she

2027
02:01:59,560 --> 02:02:05,720
tells, She tells parents, she
says when because parent asked

2028
02:02:05,720 --> 02:02:07,600
her if she's going to get
another water.

2029
02:02:08,360 --> 02:02:11,280
And she said, you know, I've
lost waters before.

2030
02:02:11,640 --> 02:02:14,480
But with us three, it was
different, she said.

2031
02:02:14,480 --> 02:02:20,040
When she said Maxim and I were
the flame and Ivan knew how to

2032
02:02:20,040 --> 02:02:25,280
douse the fire.
When 2, when 2, when a couple,

2033
02:02:25,280 --> 02:02:29,000
you know, when one of a couple
dies, She was like the the one

2034
02:02:29,000 --> 02:02:34,680
left behind has the grief.
But when one of three is gone,

2035
02:02:35,040 --> 02:02:37,080
who?
Who owns the grief?

2036
02:02:37,080 --> 02:02:38,080
Who?
Owns that grief.

2037
02:02:38,320 --> 02:02:41,800
That was heartbreaking too.
Because you know, if she's

2038
02:02:41,800 --> 02:02:46,520
masking hers so that he doesn't
feel it because his is so bad,

2039
02:02:46,520 --> 02:02:50,720
Can you imagine like what that
would be?

2040
02:02:50,720 --> 02:02:54,000
They would probably both be not
able to function.

2041
02:02:55,560 --> 02:02:59,240
The the the agony on her face
and.

2042
02:02:59,360 --> 02:03:03,400
On his.
In your grief, like I'm, I wake

2043
02:03:03,400 --> 02:03:05,840
up in the middle of night
choking on it.

2044
02:03:06,120 --> 02:03:11,080
Yeah, yeah.
And his too, because even even

2045
02:03:11,080 --> 02:03:15,600
later on, when Bane and Chiad,
they're trying to, you know,

2046
02:03:15,880 --> 02:03:20,880
they're trying to get Loyale to
play the the, the the IEO kiss

2047
02:03:20,880 --> 02:03:23,120
game.
And he won't do.

2048
02:03:23,360 --> 02:03:27,200
It and then they get ready to
walk over to Maxim and he's

2049
02:03:27,200 --> 02:03:31,400
like, absolutely not.
And they think he's just being,

2050
02:03:31,400 --> 02:03:34,640
you know, I, I don't know, aloof
or whatever.

2051
02:03:35,000 --> 02:03:38,600
And they're like, quit, quit
trying to clean that dirty sword

2052
02:03:38,600 --> 02:03:40,880
and come play with us.
And he was like, this is not a

2053
02:03:40,880 --> 02:03:43,160
dirty sword.
This is the blood of the only

2054
02:03:43,160 --> 02:03:45,280
man I've ever loved.
And they were just kind of like,

2055
02:03:46,000 --> 02:03:48,240
oh shit, we stuck our foot in
our mouths.

2056
02:03:48,240 --> 02:03:51,080
Let us leave him alone.
But I like that moment before

2057
02:03:51,080 --> 02:03:53,760
that when they're like, oh,
we'll go easy on you.

2058
02:03:53,760 --> 02:03:55,480
It's your first time.
He's like, what?

2059
02:03:55,720 --> 02:03:57,720
Makes you think this.
Is makes you think it's my first

2060
02:03:57,720 --> 02:04:01,800
time.
And then they got interested.

2061
02:04:01,800 --> 02:04:03,560
They're like, oh really?
Right.

2062
02:04:04,280 --> 02:04:06,320
Right.
Because everybody else is kind

2063
02:04:06,320 --> 02:04:09,160
of like, no, I don't want to
play with y'all except for Matt.

2064
02:04:09,160 --> 02:04:11,320
But Matt is just, Matt was just
horny.

2065
02:04:11,320 --> 02:04:15,280
So, you know, Matt was trying to
get it from wherever he could

2066
02:04:15,280 --> 02:04:19,240
get it from.
Yeah, but being and chatter

2067
02:04:19,240 --> 02:04:20,640
amazing, all of them, They're
great.

2068
02:04:21,080 --> 02:04:23,600
They're great books too.
Yeah, they're great books too.

2069
02:04:24,280 --> 02:04:25,520
Oh, OK.
Yeah.

2070
02:04:25,560 --> 02:04:28,480
But yeah, Alana and Maxim.
And that's the other thing,

2071
02:04:28,480 --> 02:04:30,880
because when they were having
that conversation, Maxim and

2072
02:04:30,880 --> 02:04:37,560
Alana, he was basically like,
you know, if you felt the grief

2073
02:04:37,560 --> 02:04:42,680
that I feel or if you feel
whatever about Ivan and his

2074
02:04:42,680 --> 02:04:46,560
death, then you would want to do
what I want to do, which is go

2075
02:04:46,560 --> 02:04:49,440
after Leandrian and make her pay
for what she did to him.

2076
02:04:49,440 --> 02:04:51,080
But instead, we're in the Two
rivers.

2077
02:04:51,160 --> 02:04:54,440
Why are we here?
And that's the same question we

2078
02:04:54,440 --> 02:04:56,520
asked in the last episode.
We were like, why the fuck are

2079
02:04:56,520 --> 02:04:59,560
they in the Two Rivers?
And of course we don't get the

2080
02:04:59,560 --> 02:05:02,040
answer to that question, so
we'll probably get in the next

2081
02:05:02,040 --> 02:05:03,720
episode of the episode after
that.

2082
02:05:03,960 --> 02:05:07,360
But it's a good question like
why are y'all way in the Two

2083
02:05:07,360 --> 02:05:12,240
Rivers?
But but this also goes back to I

2084
02:05:12,240 --> 02:05:16,200
hate not being a dead horse, but
the difference in why he became

2085
02:05:16,200 --> 02:05:18,640
a warder and why Ivan became a
warder.

2086
02:05:19,480 --> 02:05:22,880
The the ability for a person to
see the bigger picture.

2087
02:05:23,400 --> 02:05:26,080
Like they're more important
things than hunting down

2088
02:05:26,080 --> 02:05:29,920
Leandrin for revenge.
Well, of course Maxim doesn't

2089
02:05:29,920 --> 02:05:33,440
feel that way because he's not
seeing a bigger picture.

2090
02:05:33,440 --> 02:05:37,280
He's only seeing that she hurt
me and we need to make her pay.

2091
02:05:38,280 --> 02:05:41,960
And Alana, as an eyes to
diagnose.

2092
02:05:42,240 --> 02:05:45,560
We have bigger fish to fry, you
know.

2093
02:05:45,600 --> 02:05:49,000
And especially since we know
she's already kind of pledged

2094
02:05:49,040 --> 02:05:54,440
herself to more reins, her calls
in regards in regards to Rand.

2095
02:05:54,800 --> 02:05:58,360
So Alana, whatever she's doing
in the Two Rivers, it could have

2096
02:05:58,360 --> 02:06:01,840
something to do with Rand.
It could be there to protect

2097
02:06:01,840 --> 02:06:05,080
Rand's interest, to make sure he
doesn't have to come back.

2098
02:06:05,720 --> 02:06:08,840
Because we do know that there
are trollics always attacking

2099
02:06:09,160 --> 02:06:12,880
the Two Rivers.
So she could be there for that,

2100
02:06:13,320 --> 02:06:16,080
to help these people to do
something that Rand can't do.

2101
02:06:16,440 --> 02:06:19,560
Because as far as she knew,
Rand, Matt and Parent were not

2102
02:06:19,560 --> 02:06:22,960
coming back, so someone had to
be there to help them.

2103
02:06:23,000 --> 02:06:28,200
Yeah, yeah.
That's the bigger picture, you

2104
02:06:28,200 --> 02:06:31,280
know, that's the bigger picture,
and Maxim doesn't see that.

2105
02:06:31,720 --> 02:06:34,800
Because he's he's too much in
his grief.

2106
02:06:34,800 --> 02:06:35,880
Yeah.
Yeah.

2107
02:06:35,880 --> 02:06:39,480
And maybe that's another reason
why Alana is kind of masking

2108
02:06:39,480 --> 02:06:41,720
hers.
Because if she let that grief

2109
02:06:41,760 --> 02:06:44,800
overtake her, she's not going to
be able to focus on the big,

2110
02:06:45,000 --> 02:06:47,120
bigger picture because she's
going to be too distraught.

2111
02:06:47,120 --> 02:06:49,680
She's going to be too.
Whatever.

2112
02:06:49,880 --> 02:06:53,200
So yeah, very, very big
difference.

2113
02:06:54,360 --> 02:06:59,920
But yeah, let's see.
Let's see.

2114
02:07:01,200 --> 02:07:05,520
I guess we can go to Matt.
Before we do that, I do want to

2115
02:07:05,520 --> 02:07:10,040
say we do get a brief glimpse of
Natty Coffin and the girls.

2116
02:07:10,040 --> 02:07:13,080
And I do just kind of love the
way that Natty is telling the

2117
02:07:13,080 --> 02:07:15,000
white clothes.
She was like, I will die before

2118
02:07:15,000 --> 02:07:17,880
I let you touch them.
And I was like, I hope that's

2119
02:07:17,880 --> 02:07:21,720
not going to come to pass
because here go, child Balda

2120
02:07:21,720 --> 02:07:24,840
right there talking about you
and your cages.

2121
02:07:24,840 --> 02:07:26,760
Such a waste of metal, if you
ask me.

2122
02:07:26,760 --> 02:07:31,040
Now, if you want to find out
where they went, like I can get

2123
02:07:31,040 --> 02:07:33,000
it out of them.
I can get it for you.

2124
02:07:33,600 --> 02:07:37,320
And and Dan is like, we're not
about to the question.

2125
02:07:37,320 --> 02:07:39,720
Yeah, we're not about to resort
to your methods.

2126
02:07:39,720 --> 02:07:41,760
He was like, I'm not trying to
hurt anybody.

2127
02:07:42,080 --> 02:07:46,480
All I need is for the word to
get out to parent that we have

2128
02:07:46,480 --> 02:07:49,280
them and we're looking for him.
He will come to get them.

2129
02:07:49,480 --> 02:07:52,160
At least he does.
You know, he has taken the

2130
02:07:52,240 --> 02:07:55,040
measure of Parent as a man.
He knows Parent is going to come

2131
02:07:55,440 --> 02:08:00,920
try to rescue them, and Parents
says as much, You know, to file.

2132
02:08:00,920 --> 02:08:04,040
He was like, yeah, oh, no.
He says it to Loyale.

2133
02:08:04,320 --> 02:08:06,000
He was like, yeah, I'm going to.
I'm going to go.

2134
02:08:06,480 --> 02:08:08,680
Get them.
I'm starting to think that child

2135
02:08:08,680 --> 02:08:11,520
bother, this version of child
bother just doesn't have a

2136
02:08:11,520 --> 02:08:15,520
problem with, has to die.
I feel like he had a problem

2137
02:08:15,520 --> 02:08:18,560
with women.
Yeah, I think we said that

2138
02:08:18,560 --> 02:08:21,320
before too.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

2139
02:08:21,320 --> 02:08:23,840
It it's kind of because he's
like.

2140
02:08:24,080 --> 02:08:27,120
He's just looking for an excuse
to torture women.

2141
02:08:27,480 --> 02:08:29,560
Yeah.
And that's, that's just.

2142
02:08:30,520 --> 02:08:33,080
And and and there's no age limit
either.

2143
02:08:33,280 --> 02:08:35,160
No, he's going to get what's
coming to him.

2144
02:08:35,680 --> 02:08:40,800
I'm and I'm I'm ready for it and
at this point I don't care who

2145
02:08:40,800 --> 02:08:43,280
does it.
At first I was like, it needs to

2146
02:08:43,280 --> 02:08:46,440
be either parent or inguain.
Right now, it could be Dane.

2147
02:08:46,960 --> 02:08:49,040
I I don't care.
It could be anybody.

2148
02:08:49,560 --> 02:08:51,520
It can be anybody.
Let Alana do it.

2149
02:08:51,840 --> 02:08:55,960
Let Maxim do I, I don't care.
Let Inguaine's Mama do it.

2150
02:08:55,960 --> 02:08:58,320
She might just be like, look,
I'm just sick of you.

2151
02:08:59,000 --> 02:09:01,680
I don't care.
I just want I, I want him dead.

2152
02:09:03,200 --> 02:09:05,640
I want him dead.
He's just like, I'm trying to

2153
02:09:05,640 --> 02:09:08,360
think is there.
It's one of those things where

2154
02:09:08,360 --> 02:09:11,520
every time he comes on the
screen and he opens his mouth,

2155
02:09:12,000 --> 02:09:14,800
it's like fingernails on a
chalkboard.

2156
02:09:15,240 --> 02:09:17,720
It's that kind of irritating,
like.

2157
02:09:17,840 --> 02:09:20,920
Oh my God, can you?
Stop making my skin crawl.

2158
02:09:21,840 --> 02:09:24,160
Yeah, it's.
Such an irritating character.

2159
02:09:24,720 --> 02:09:29,320
Yeah, yeah.
Can't stand that muffle.

2160
02:09:29,760 --> 02:09:31,720
Anyway, so.
So now we can go to Matt.

2161
02:09:32,080 --> 02:09:40,320
Now let's go to Matt because
Matt is struggling with these

2162
02:09:40,320 --> 02:09:43,880
memories in his head and I said
I don't know how to fix them.

2163
02:09:43,960 --> 02:09:46,440
Oh, that was something else I
forgot to mention.

2164
02:09:46,960 --> 02:09:50,120
That was the last episode.
Yes, Rima Sadai is back in the

2165
02:09:50,120 --> 02:09:55,520
tower, so I'm glad that they
were able to get her out of the

2166
02:09:55,840 --> 02:09:58,760
clutches of the Sean Chan.
Yeah, and they didn't have her

2167
02:09:58,760 --> 02:10:02,400
long enough to do too much
damage to her mental state.

2168
02:10:02,520 --> 02:10:05,240
Yes, good.
Well, she's probably a lot

2169
02:10:05,240 --> 02:10:12,440
tougher than than either Elaine
or that other blue, Big Wayne or

2170
02:10:12,440 --> 02:10:14,640
the other blue.
So she's probably mental,

2171
02:10:14,640 --> 02:10:17,160
mentally tougher.
Yeah, because we didn't.

2172
02:10:17,160 --> 02:10:21,320
We haven't seen that that blue
sitter back yet.

2173
02:10:22,200 --> 02:10:24,320
And I know.
She was up.

2174
02:10:24,600 --> 02:10:27,120
She was, no, I think she, I
think she might have been one of

2175
02:10:27,120 --> 02:10:29,600
the fatalities on the tower
because she was on the tower

2176
02:10:29,640 --> 02:10:32,960
with Egwayne.
I do remember seeing her.

2177
02:10:34,080 --> 02:10:39,160
But yeah, so the I said, I have
been trying to figure out how to

2178
02:10:39,160 --> 02:10:42,880
help Matt with the memories
that's in his head and try to

2179
02:10:42,880 --> 02:10:46,840
figure out what's going on with
him and why he's, you know, all

2180
02:10:46,840 --> 02:10:49,880
of a sudden able to speak in the
Old Tongue and they can't figure

2181
02:10:49,880 --> 02:10:52,400
it out.
So Matt's struggling right now.

2182
02:10:52,400 --> 02:10:54,840
While he's in the midst of
struggling, here comes Men

2183
02:10:54,840 --> 02:10:59,520
again, trying to, you know, come
to him and, and apologize.

2184
02:10:59,520 --> 02:11:05,320
And it's I don't know how I feel
about Men's character yet,

2185
02:11:06,640 --> 02:11:11,240
because it it's kind of like,
you know, we talked about her

2186
02:11:11,240 --> 02:11:17,760
early in the episode, how she is
playing the spy for Baron and

2187
02:11:17,760 --> 02:11:21,760
Liana with Elita Sadai.
You know, they kind of planted

2188
02:11:21,760 --> 02:11:25,960
her as a servant in the tower to
kind of, you know, check on a

2189
02:11:25,960 --> 02:11:30,160
lie to see what she's doing,
report her, her, you know,

2190
02:11:30,160 --> 02:11:32,400
comings and goings and all of
that other stuff.

2191
02:11:33,240 --> 02:11:36,400
And then on the other hand, you
see her once she sees Matt,

2192
02:11:36,400 --> 02:11:39,560
she's like trying to apologize
to Matt and, you know, just

2193
02:11:39,560 --> 02:11:42,800
trying to, I guess, still kind
of incorporate herself into his

2194
02:11:42,800 --> 02:11:50,520
life, which to me, first of all,
seems very inconsiderate because

2195
02:11:50,520 --> 02:11:52,840
you literally tried to sell,
sell this guy out to the

2196
02:11:52,840 --> 02:11:56,880
Forsaken and Granny.
She had a, she had a reasons.

2197
02:11:57,200 --> 02:12:02,600
And and I and I get that, but it
just like if I'm mad I don't

2198
02:12:02,600 --> 02:12:04,080
give a fuck what your reasons
are.

2199
02:12:04,680 --> 02:12:07,920
You tried to sell me out to some
people who very possibly could

2200
02:12:07,920 --> 02:12:12,920
have had me killed.
So OK, I'm going to, I'm going

2201
02:12:12,960 --> 02:12:15,840
to, I'm going to help men out
here a little bit and I'm going

2202
02:12:15,840 --> 02:12:19,360
to help the writers out.
They had to be explained or

2203
02:12:19,360 --> 02:12:22,200
tried to show us what it meant
to be a Tavirian.

2204
02:12:23,320 --> 02:12:28,480
We would understand why people
do things around them that we

2205
02:12:28,480 --> 02:12:31,360
may not really understand, but
it happens for a reason.

2206
02:12:32,360 --> 02:12:36,120
So everything men did put him in
the position that he needed to

2207
02:12:36,120 --> 02:12:41,160
be in to do what they needed to
do to be around the horn and to

2208
02:12:41,160 --> 02:12:45,440
blow the horn, that that's what
it means to be a Tavirian.

2209
02:12:45,720 --> 02:12:49,680
And and I get that part.
So yeah, we can bash men all we

2210
02:12:49,680 --> 02:12:54,720
want, but she ultimately didn't
really have a choice.

2211
02:12:54,880 --> 02:13:01,000
The patent was making her do
these things because of the

2212
02:13:01,520 --> 02:13:05,680
gravity that is surrounding this
Tavirian mat.

2213
02:13:07,280 --> 02:13:09,800
And I guess that's part of the
story, that.

2214
02:13:10,880 --> 02:13:13,160
And that and that sort of they,
they threw it out there in the

2215
02:13:13,160 --> 02:13:14,960
beginning.
Those writers did.

2216
02:13:15,040 --> 02:13:18,240
And the writers ever since
haven't really revisited that

2217
02:13:18,240 --> 02:13:21,840
aspect of them being Tavirian
and.

2218
02:13:21,840 --> 02:13:25,720
I guess that kind of like I was
about to say that that kind of

2219
02:13:25,920 --> 02:13:31,520
that part of the story kind of
bothers me because in a sense,

2220
02:13:31,800 --> 02:13:37,080
it's almost like we're expected
to not hold anyone accountable

2221
02:13:37,080 --> 02:13:42,080
because the will, the pattern is
what's controlling their

2222
02:13:42,080 --> 02:13:44,560
actions.
There is no free will, so to

2223
02:13:44,560 --> 02:13:48,240
speak.
Yes, that is what that is, what

2224
02:13:48,240 --> 02:13:50,760
Robert Jordan was exploring as
an author.

2225
02:13:51,360 --> 02:13:56,760
Destiny and free will is what he
was exploring in those books and

2226
02:13:56,760 --> 02:14:00,720
the pattern basic the will
basically tells you that you you

2227
02:14:00,720 --> 02:14:04,040
don't have free will.
Yeah, and I don't.

2228
02:14:04,040 --> 02:14:07,240
Like, and you do have destiny.
Yeah, and and I guess.

2229
02:14:07,400 --> 02:14:12,320
But but ultimately, ultimately I
can tell you that the the Tom

2230
02:14:12,320 --> 02:14:17,040
and Tom and Gaiden, the the last
battle is ultimately about free

2231
02:14:17,040 --> 02:14:21,320
will, OK at the end of the day,
so.

2232
02:14:21,520 --> 02:14:28,920
At the end of the 15th book.
Patterns and destinies and all

2233
02:14:28,920 --> 02:14:33,760
that stuff doesn't matter.
But right now, to get us to that

2234
02:14:33,760 --> 02:14:37,520
point, to get us that, to that
decision point, all these

2235
02:14:37,520 --> 02:14:42,320
characters have roles to fill.
They have destinies, that is

2236
02:14:42,560 --> 02:14:48,320
and, and, and it took to explain
even more the way that men's

2237
02:14:48,680 --> 02:14:55,240
visions work is that she's
actually getting glimpses of the

2238
02:14:55,240 --> 02:14:59,280
wheel.
That's why her things always

2239
02:14:59,280 --> 02:15:02,720
come true.
She's seen things that are that

2240
02:15:02,720 --> 02:15:06,400
are literally happening.
Well, I don't like the fact that

2241
02:15:06,400 --> 02:15:09,800
she has seen Matt hanging twice.
Yes.

2242
02:15:10,240 --> 02:15:13,320
I don't like that.
Yes, but I think it's doing it

2243
02:15:13,320 --> 02:15:17,480
also to motivate her because in
the end she does follow them

2244
02:15:17,720 --> 02:15:19,600
when they decide to go to Tan
Chico.

2245
02:15:19,680 --> 02:15:25,720
Yeah.
Because her, her meeting Eliza

2246
02:15:25,720 --> 02:15:28,200
wasn't a fluke.
That was part of the pattern.

2247
02:15:28,520 --> 02:15:34,480
Because what did Eliza tell her?
Sometimes we can influence these

2248
02:15:34,480 --> 02:15:38,000
things.
So she wants to save Matt.

2249
02:15:38,560 --> 02:15:40,200
That's the least that she could
do.

2250
02:15:40,200 --> 02:15:43,960
For all the trouble that she's
done for him is to keep him.

2251
02:15:43,960 --> 02:15:47,000
If she's around him, she can
prevent it from happening.

2252
02:15:47,720 --> 02:15:53,320
However, what she fails to
realize is her visions always

2253
02:15:53,320 --> 02:15:55,520
come true.
Always.

2254
02:15:55,880 --> 02:15:58,080
Yeah, she's not going to be able
to stop it, but.

2255
02:15:59,040 --> 02:16:03,680
As we learn with as we learn
with Matt and Ran, they come

2256
02:16:03,680 --> 02:16:06,760
true, but not necessarily in the
way that she sees them.

2257
02:16:07,040 --> 02:16:10,920
Yeah, she saw him stabbing Ran
and assumed he killed him, but

2258
02:16:10,920 --> 02:16:13,880
no, he did stab him.
That.

2259
02:16:13,880 --> 02:16:16,880
Happened but it came from
throwing a spear, not like

2260
02:16:16,920 --> 02:16:20,040
direct.
But I will also say this.

2261
02:16:20,560 --> 02:16:23,000
Who's not to say that that won't
happen in the future?

2262
02:16:24,120 --> 02:16:25,880
It might happen again, yeah.
So.

2263
02:16:26,640 --> 02:16:31,120
But yeah, but you know, one of
the things that men does do is

2264
02:16:31,800 --> 02:16:35,719
later on, after Matt has, you
know, kind of gone off of her,

2265
02:16:35,719 --> 02:16:38,520
he goes to find her to apologize
to her.

2266
02:16:38,840 --> 02:16:42,200
And he was like, look, I
understand, you know what you

2267
02:16:42,200 --> 02:16:43,559
did.
I understand what you gave up

2268
02:16:43,559 --> 02:16:46,639
because she tells him, look, if
Shamel was going to take away my

2269
02:16:46,639 --> 02:16:49,440
visions, but I gave that up for
you.

2270
02:16:50,080 --> 02:16:51,920
And so he tells me.
Yeah, I understand.

2271
02:16:51,920 --> 02:16:55,480
You know, I, I appreciate it.
He was like, I have some things

2272
02:16:55,480 --> 02:17:00,120
going on with myself that nobody
can fix.

2273
02:17:00,120 --> 02:17:02,840
And that's kind of causing, you
know, whatever behavior,

2274
02:17:02,840 --> 02:17:05,639
whatever, whatever.
And then while he's telling her

2275
02:17:05,639 --> 02:17:10,200
this, she sees another vision of
him hanging and she starts

2276
02:17:10,200 --> 02:17:12,959
having this look.
And Matt was like, I've seen

2277
02:17:12,959 --> 02:17:14,799
this look on your face before.
I know what this means.

2278
02:17:14,799 --> 02:17:18,160
I don't want to know.
I I've already told you, I don't

2279
02:17:18,160 --> 02:17:19,879
want to know what the future
holds for me.

2280
02:17:20,120 --> 02:17:23,080
And as he's having this
conversation with her, Lord

2281
02:17:23,080 --> 02:17:26,799
Galid, Elaine's brother comes in
the hall.

2282
02:17:26,799 --> 02:17:30,959
And he's, you know, hey, she
said, she said to leave her

2283
02:17:30,959 --> 02:17:32,799
alone because Matt is grabbing
her at this time.

2284
02:17:32,799 --> 02:17:35,080
He was like, I don't want to.
I don't want to know what's what

2285
02:17:35,080 --> 02:17:36,920
the vision is.
And she's like, hey, it's OK.

2286
02:17:37,080 --> 02:17:40,959
You know, just let me go.
So he misreads the situation.

2287
02:17:41,240 --> 02:17:44,040
He's like, hey, she said she
doesn't want to be bothered.

2288
02:17:44,040 --> 02:17:46,360
And Matt is like, dude, you're
not even part of this

2289
02:17:46,360 --> 02:17:48,959
conversation.
Just get away from us.

2290
02:17:49,280 --> 02:17:51,959
And man is like, look, I don't
need your help here.

2291
02:17:52,520 --> 02:17:56,639
And she goes in One Direction
and Sir Gallard is trying to

2292
02:17:57,080 --> 02:17:59,480
take Matt to task.
And Matt was like, oh, you were

2293
02:17:59,480 --> 02:18:01,959
just, you were just so great,
aren't you?

2294
02:18:01,959 --> 02:18:03,840
You were just phenomenal or
whatever.

2295
02:18:03,840 --> 02:18:06,160
He says to him very
sarcastically.

2296
02:18:06,160 --> 02:18:07,959
He turns around.
He walks off and he calls him a

2297
02:18:07,959 --> 02:18:13,040
prick.
So he's in that little courtyard

2298
02:18:13,040 --> 02:18:15,719
and he has his little quarter
staff and he's sitting there

2299
02:18:16,040 --> 02:18:19,719
against practicing like trying
to remember what he used to do

2300
02:18:19,719 --> 02:18:21,320
as.
I think he's just trying to

2301
02:18:21,760 --> 02:18:23,520
trying to refocus and clear his
head.

2302
02:18:24,080 --> 02:18:26,480
Yeah, yeah.
So he's doing that.

2303
02:18:26,480 --> 02:18:30,559
And while he's doing that, here
come the brothers in there, and

2304
02:18:30,559 --> 02:18:34,840
they're being very, they're
being assholes.

2305
02:18:35,200 --> 02:18:38,639
I say very douchey.
They're being very douchey, very

2306
02:18:38,639 --> 02:18:43,680
douchey, you know, kind of
making fun of Matt and like, oh,

2307
02:18:43,680 --> 02:18:46,840
well, we know the first person
to call if a tree decides to

2308
02:18:46,840 --> 02:18:50,000
attack us and blah, blah, blah,
because he's hitting this wooden

2309
02:18:50,440 --> 02:18:52,120
just kind of like this wooden
pole.

2310
02:18:52,719 --> 02:18:59,559
And Matt is like, OK, whatever.
Naive comes in and she's coming

2311
02:18:59,559 --> 02:19:02,719
to tell him, hey, I just want to
come say goodbye.

2312
02:19:02,719 --> 02:19:05,680
We're going to, you know, we're
we found out some stuff about

2313
02:19:05,680 --> 02:19:06,760
Leandra.
We're going to leave.

2314
02:19:07,080 --> 02:19:10,360
And Matt is like, no, you're not
going to leave without me.

2315
02:19:10,680 --> 02:19:13,280
And she's like, no, you really
shouldn't come because blah,

2316
02:19:13,280 --> 02:19:15,920
blah, blah.
And again, here comes Lord

2317
02:19:15,920 --> 02:19:19,120
Galley because my name is trying
to leave and she doesn't want

2318
02:19:19,120 --> 02:19:21,600
Matt to come because she doesn't
want Matt to be put in danger.

2319
02:19:22,559 --> 02:19:23,959
I think she said she wanted to
leave.

2320
02:19:23,959 --> 02:19:26,080
And Matt's like, dude, give it a
break.

2321
02:19:26,320 --> 02:19:30,840
Like, I would have been like,
dude, this is one of my friends.

2322
02:19:30,840 --> 02:19:34,400
Will you, will you just like
slack the fuck off?

2323
02:19:34,400 --> 02:19:37,719
But you know, they start going
back and forth, back and forth.

2324
02:19:37,760 --> 02:19:41,040
And of course, Lord Galley is
like, oh, do I have to teach you

2325
02:19:41,040 --> 02:19:43,600
some manners or whatever
bullshit he says.

2326
02:19:44,200 --> 02:19:47,799
And you know, he and his brother
were in there with their swords.

2327
02:19:47,840 --> 02:19:50,320
And what did he tell Matt?
He was like, yeah, we can teach

2328
02:19:50,320 --> 02:19:53,360
you how to we can teach you how
to fight with a proper weapon.

2329
02:19:53,360 --> 02:19:55,120
And Matt is like, no, I don't
need it.

2330
02:19:55,120 --> 02:19:57,480
I'll, I'll take the Bo staff any
day.

2331
02:19:57,800 --> 02:20:01,320
So that's when nanny comes in.
They have the conversation and

2332
02:20:01,320 --> 02:20:03,040
then they start kind of going
off on Matt.

2333
02:20:03,040 --> 02:20:04,600
Like what?
She says she don't want to be

2334
02:20:04,600 --> 02:20:06,880
bothered.
Do we have to like, you know, do

2335
02:20:06,880 --> 02:20:10,160
we have to teach her a lesson?
And Matt's looking like at them

2336
02:20:10,160 --> 02:20:15,120
like, OK, you know what?
Yeah, 2 marks says I can take

2337
02:20:15,120 --> 02:20:17,480
you with this.
Both staff, 2 marks each.

2338
02:20:17,560 --> 02:20:21,360
And Nanny was like oh Matt
because she's thinking Matt is

2339
02:20:21,360 --> 02:20:23,120
about to get his ass handed to
him.

2340
02:20:24,200 --> 02:20:27,560
And at first, I was thinking so
too, because Matt is not in,

2341
02:20:28,000 --> 02:20:30,240
he's not in a good headspace
right now.

2342
02:20:30,920 --> 02:20:34,240
And these two brothers, as
arrogant as they are, we have

2343
02:20:34,240 --> 02:20:36,640
seen them demonstrate their
fighting skills.

2344
02:20:36,640 --> 02:20:41,040
They're pretty good.
But then Matt looks at them and

2345
02:20:41,040 --> 02:20:42,800
he said something in the old
Tongue.

2346
02:20:42,800 --> 02:20:44,160
And I don't know what it was he
said.

2347
02:20:44,160 --> 02:20:45,760
But as soon as he said, I was
like, oh.

2348
02:20:46,800 --> 02:20:49,960
It's time to toss the dice.
Oh, that's what he says.

2349
02:20:50,080 --> 02:20:52,840
It's the same thing he said when
he blew the horn.

2350
02:20:53,360 --> 02:20:59,680
Oh yes, OK, OK, so he says that
and I knew he was looking at him

2351
02:20:59,680 --> 02:21:03,160
like what?
And as soon as I I was just

2352
02:21:03,160 --> 02:21:06,400
like, OK, y'all about to get
y'all's ass handed to him 'cause

2353
02:21:06,400 --> 02:21:08,800
he just spoke the old tongue.
That means there's a little bit

2354
02:21:08,800 --> 02:21:11,920
of that hero of the horn
somewhere in there.

2355
02:21:13,760 --> 02:21:17,600
And they proceed to.
Get their asses kicked right.

2356
02:21:18,120 --> 02:21:23,080
And they get their asses kicked,
quite, quite spectacularly at

2357
02:21:23,080 --> 02:21:25,000
that.
Because The funny thing is, they

2358
02:21:25,000 --> 02:21:28,800
keep going back to Nyne's face.
And Nyne doesn't it?

2359
02:21:28,840 --> 02:21:32,720
It looks like she doesn't know
if she wants to look, say

2360
02:21:32,720 --> 02:21:34,960
something in disbelief, or if
she wants to laugh.

2361
02:21:34,960 --> 02:21:39,280
She is holding her face so well
because it's almost like she was

2362
02:21:39,280 --> 02:21:41,240
worried about Matt.
But then once she sees what's

2363
02:21:41,240 --> 02:21:44,480
going on, she's amused because
the brothers are getting what

2364
02:21:44,480 --> 02:21:47,080
what, you know, kind of what
they deserve.

2365
02:21:47,680 --> 02:21:51,960
But Matt proceeds to whip their
ass and then he throws the boat

2366
02:21:51,960 --> 02:21:56,600
staff away and he walks off and
I was just like OK I love it

2367
02:21:56,600 --> 02:21:59,440
when Matt has his moments
because they are too far and in

2368
02:21:59,440 --> 02:22:02,720
between.
But this was glorious because

2369
02:22:02,720 --> 02:22:05,000
both of the brothers are looking
at him like how the hell did he

2370
02:22:05,000 --> 02:22:10,600
just beat us with a stick?
Right, he says he walks off 2

2371
02:22:10,600 --> 02:22:16,360
marks.
And then just looking at him

2372
02:22:16,360 --> 02:22:19,200
like he, he knocked one of the
brothers out, he knocked, he

2373
02:22:19,200 --> 02:22:21,840
knocked him out.
Yeah, going.

2374
02:22:21,920 --> 02:22:24,040
He knocked him out.
Knocked him out.

2375
02:22:24,320 --> 02:22:27,320
Yeah.
But then after that, we see them

2376
02:22:27,320 --> 02:22:30,840
heading towards the docks,
Elaine Naive and Matt, because

2377
02:22:30,840 --> 02:22:35,440
Matt has basically told them,
yeah, you're you're not going

2378
02:22:35,440 --> 02:22:37,440
without me.
Where are we going?

2379
02:22:37,440 --> 02:22:40,320
And then they kind of tell him,
OK, so we're going to Tan Chico.

2380
02:22:40,320 --> 02:22:42,280
This is where we think Leandrin
is.

2381
02:22:42,280 --> 02:22:46,560
And, you know, let's go off on
the adventure.

2382
02:22:47,320 --> 02:22:51,600
And of course, at the end of
that, we see that Men has been

2383
02:22:51,600 --> 02:22:55,960
watching them, and she very
stealthily follows them.

2384
02:22:56,400 --> 02:22:58,360
So yeah, I kind of agree with
what you're saying.

2385
02:22:58,360 --> 02:23:03,920
I think Men feels like she has a
debt to pay to Matt and she's

2386
02:23:03,920 --> 02:23:08,440
going to do whatever she can do
to try to either prolong or

2387
02:23:08,440 --> 02:23:14,600
prevent any harm coming to him.
But I I don't know, I'm just

2388
02:23:14,600 --> 02:23:20,280
kind of like when men, it seems
like when men is trying to help,

2389
02:23:21,280 --> 02:23:26,520
it doesn't exactly go that way.
So I don't know if her following

2390
02:23:26,520 --> 02:23:28,680
them is a good idea or not.
We'll.

2391
02:23:31,160 --> 02:23:33,360
See.
We'll see.

2392
02:23:33,360 --> 02:23:35,680
I mean, we, we've got one person
who can channel.

2393
02:23:35,680 --> 02:23:37,960
We got one person who apparently
has a block.

2394
02:23:37,960 --> 02:23:41,160
We have one person who can fight
only when the older part of him

2395
02:23:41,160 --> 02:23:47,920
takes over.
And we have a semi consistent

2396
02:23:47,920 --> 02:23:49,480
fear.
I, I, I don't know.

2397
02:23:49,480 --> 02:23:54,280
This is I don't know.
This is the fellowship of the,

2398
02:23:54,880 --> 02:23:57,200
the Adam.
I, I, I don't know what to call

2399
02:23:57,200 --> 02:24:00,800
it.
They, I, I don't know, I just

2400
02:24:00,800 --> 02:24:03,120
see a lot of chaos.
In there, it's a it's a Scooby

2401
02:24:03,120 --> 02:24:04,800
crew.
We'll see what they do.

2402
02:24:04,920 --> 02:24:08,720
Right, right.
Because I, I just, I don't see

2403
02:24:08,720 --> 02:24:10,600
anything organized coming from
this.

2404
02:24:10,600 --> 02:24:14,600
I don't I, I don't know.
I've been, I've been with Elaine

2405
02:24:15,440 --> 02:24:17,200
is the brains.
They'll figure it out.

2406
02:24:18,200 --> 02:24:20,840
Yeah, yeah, as long as they
listen to her.

2407
02:24:21,080 --> 02:24:26,000
But we have three people who are
notorious for not listening to

2408
02:24:26,000 --> 02:24:29,560
other.
People known for not listening

2409
02:24:29,560 --> 02:24:32,240
to anybody but.
I don't know how this is going

2410
02:24:32,240 --> 02:24:35,240
to work out but.
We'll see and and.

2411
02:24:35,360 --> 02:24:37,840
They're going to a part of the
world they've never been in.

2412
02:24:38,720 --> 02:24:42,120
Her political skills are going
to have to to come into play.

2413
02:24:42,320 --> 02:24:44,600
Yeah, we're going to have.
To be able to have all those

2414
02:24:44,600 --> 02:24:48,480
personalities.
Right in a in a part of the

2415
02:24:48,480 --> 02:24:50,320
world that none of them have
been to.

2416
02:24:51,200 --> 02:24:54,880
Well, I don't know, maybe MEN
has, but I mean, because it

2417
02:24:55,000 --> 02:24:56,400
seems like MEN is going
everywhere.

2418
02:24:57,040 --> 02:25:02,680
But Elaine has enough training
to to know, you know, she knows

2419
02:25:04,080 --> 02:25:06,480
how everything works.
She, she knows the world.

2420
02:25:06,720 --> 02:25:08,960
She may not have been there, but
she's been schooled on

2421
02:25:09,360 --> 02:25:10,320
everything.
So.

2422
02:25:10,520 --> 02:25:12,640
She's going to have to keep an
eye need of her attitude in

2423
02:25:12,640 --> 02:25:14,880
check though.
Yeah, we'll see.

2424
02:25:15,160 --> 02:25:20,120
Good luck with that.
I think that's, I think that's

2425
02:25:20,120 --> 02:25:23,360
everything.
Everything, I mean, this was,

2426
02:25:23,360 --> 02:25:25,880
this was a fun episode and I do
see what you say about the

2427
02:25:25,880 --> 02:25:30,640
episodes getting better.
Yeah, this was a solid 9.

2428
02:25:30,800 --> 02:25:33,600
Yeah, yeah, it was a good
episode.

2429
02:25:33,600 --> 02:25:35,000
I mean, we got to see all of
them.

2430
02:25:35,000 --> 02:25:38,920
We got to see some some
exposition, some story moving

2431
02:25:38,920 --> 02:25:41,240
forward.
We got to see some some fun

2432
02:25:41,240 --> 02:25:44,880
stuff because Land trying to be
Moraine's wing woman.

2433
02:25:45,520 --> 02:25:50,760
I mean wing man is that was
interesting and also they both

2434
02:25:50,760 --> 02:25:54,040
smiled in this episode.
That is a rarity.

2435
02:25:54,960 --> 02:25:59,320
That is a rarity.
So I was like, OK, this is cool,

2436
02:26:00,320 --> 02:26:04,680
but so the next episode, episode
4.

2437
02:26:05,240 --> 02:26:07,240
It's the one that turned me on
the series.

2438
02:26:07,240 --> 02:26:10,520
OK, this is the one that turned
you on the series because you

2439
02:26:10,680 --> 02:26:15,000
said that you don't care how
much they stray from the books.

2440
02:26:15,000 --> 02:26:16,560
Now they can do whatever they
want.

2441
02:26:17,000 --> 02:26:19,320
They.
Want on what happens in the next

2442
02:26:19,320 --> 02:26:23,000
episode?
I'm so interested to see what

2443
02:26:23,000 --> 02:26:28,120
that episode entails and what
made you have that opinion.

2444
02:26:28,120 --> 02:26:32,480
That's that should be a fun
discussion because I don't know

2445
02:26:32,520 --> 02:26:35,440
you're going to be talking so
positively about everything.

2446
02:26:35,440 --> 02:26:37,200
I don't know how we're going to,
how we're going to.

2447
02:26:40,600 --> 02:26:43,720
It's going to be fun.
Well, you have any final

2448
02:26:43,720 --> 02:26:46,960
thoughts on this episode?
I don't this was a solid 9 out

2449
02:26:46,960 --> 02:26:49,640
of 10.
There was a lot of it wasn't any

2450
02:26:49,640 --> 02:26:53,600
action.
Well, it was some action at the

2451
02:26:53,720 --> 02:26:55,920
end, but there was a lot of
good.

2452
02:26:56,280 --> 02:26:57,680
Well, I guess it was a lot of
action.

2453
02:26:57,680 --> 02:27:00,680
There was the Red Wedding in the
beginning.

2454
02:27:00,680 --> 02:27:03,080
That's not action.
That was a slaughter, that.

2455
02:27:03,320 --> 02:27:05,560
You can't.
Call it action if the other side

2456
02:27:05,560 --> 02:27:09,360
couldn't defend themselves.
Yeah, we, we had a lot of tops

2457
02:27:09,480 --> 02:27:13,720
spinning, you know, some stuff
being set up, lot of exposition.

2458
02:27:13,720 --> 02:27:18,080
We got some history.
It's it's going to be this was a

2459
02:27:18,080 --> 02:27:24,720
good solid setup, expository
episode.

2460
02:27:24,720 --> 02:27:28,480
It was pretty good.
I agree and I have nothing more

2461
02:27:28,480 --> 02:27:31,360
to add to that.
So that is it for our show.

2462
02:27:31,640 --> 02:27:34,960
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2463
02:27:34,960 --> 02:27:37,600
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2464
02:27:37,600 --> 02:27:39,320
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2465
02:27:39,320 --> 02:27:41,480
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2466
02:27:41,480 --> 02:27:44,320
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2467
02:27:44,320 --> 02:27:46,640
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2468
02:27:46,640 --> 02:27:48,560
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