The Wheel of Time Season 3 Episode 4 - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #352

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What's up, hybrids?
Welcome back to another episode

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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast.
This is Hanukkah and I'm here

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with Anthony and Mike, and we
are discussing season 3, episode

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4 of The Wheel of Time.
In other words, the episode that

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turned Anthony's thoughts about
the show around.

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Correct.
Yes, episode is a 12 out of 10

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is really good.
It's just like in a book.

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It is a major, major turning
point in the story of Randall

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Thor.
Yeah, yeah.

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I I I can tell because I've
watched this episode 3 times.

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I watched it the first time when
it came out and then I watched

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it two times today and I
realized like the first time

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that I watched it, I think a lot
of it, a lot of the symbolism

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and a lot of the the dots that
were to connect.

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I think it kind of went over my
head because there was so much

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information in this episode.
And then the second time I

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watched it today, I was like, oh
wait, I started picking up on

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stuff.
And then the third time I

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watched it, I took 7 pages of
notes because I wanted to make

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sure I didn't make a mistake
about anything or that we

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skipped any of the important
bits.

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Because like I said, there is a
lot, a lot of information in

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this episode.
And I think I picked up on a

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couple of things that you may
have kind of touched on in the

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last couple of episodes,
Anthony.

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And I was like, oh, wait a
minute, I'm making these

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connections now.
So we'll, we'll see how how much

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my paying attention is is paying
off.

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But like, like like one of our
listeners said, it's very hard

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to not just tell y'all
everything.

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You really?
Just keep saying put a pin in

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it.
Just like he's like he like he

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told you, just keep put a pin
in.

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Sometimes that might be too much
too I.

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Know, but before we go on with
this episode, Mike, since she

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missed our discussion about
episode 3, I just want to

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quickly get your thoughts on
that episode and and see how you

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felt about it.
OK.

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Gabriel's a little bitch.
I knew his ass was fucking was

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fucking dark.
Friend, that little that

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motherfucker.
No, he's a Forsaken.

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That's worse.
Yeah, he.

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Is forsaken forsaken.
Yeah, I'm like him, spider girl

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and whoever the whoever the weak
ass one the the weak ass of the

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motherfucker.
I was like just God damn.

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Like again, like I've said since
the first episode, you can't

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trust nobody in this bitch.
No.

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I you can't even everyone I see,
I'm like, yeah, they're, they're

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shifty.
All of them are shady.

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And shout out to my boy Matt for
having a good episode.

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Fucking red, red to die, Red red
to die trying to keep the black

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woman down.
I'm about sick of all y'all

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motherfuckers.
Red.

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Osh red Osh red.
Osh tried to try to keep a black

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woman down.
Like what the fuck is that

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about?
I'm like, I knew that.

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What's her name?
The The Queen's Red eye.

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Red Asia.
Eliza.

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Eliza.
I knew she was, I was like,

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she's, I'm like, God damn, she's
gonna be a big fucking problem.

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Like, I don't like it.
I don't like it at all.

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Anthony said.
She's worse than me, Andrew.

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Yeah, I can tell.
I have no doubt that she

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probably is.
Yeah.

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And with with her and her and
men, I'm like, so now, now, now

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men's like a triple, quadruple
agent.

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I'm like, what?
Like what the hell.

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Like.
Men doesn't even know whose size

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she's.
On does it because because

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everybody's pulling her one way
or the other, trying to get her

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to tell on everybody.
It's like she's going to know

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everything but not know who to
tell because everybody's trying

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to get her to do get all the
information.

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So it's like, fuck, man, yeah,
I'm still worried, worried about

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my dog pairing, but I think I'm
hoping he's going to pull

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through even since he wasn't in
this episode.

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I got I got a shout out my dog.
Yeah.

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And it's Gloria Safro.
I'm not going to encourage.

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You I'm going to make you
entertain it because he's not

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that's the only time I get to
say it because he's not really

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in this episode.
So I.

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Was going to say Anthony, you
might need to take a sip of that

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old fashioned twice.
He's mentioned it twice now, OK.

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Yeah, that was a great, that was
a great episode.

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I'm sorry I missed it with you
guys, but yeah, that was a good

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one.
That's OK, so you're here now

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and this seems like the episode
to be talked about.

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So let's get into it because the
episode focuses a lot on random

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Moraine and their their trials
and ruining.

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But before we get there, let's
visit with the other stuff.

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The first part of the episode
let me see that was Land and

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Rand training again.
And you just get like a little

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bit of a little bit more of I
think bonding because they start

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out training and I guess Rand
seems a little distracted to

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Land and he's like, what are you
thinking about?

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Rand's like nothing.
He's like, well, it's kind of

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hard to think of nothing.
And Lance says, well, yeah,

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that's how my father taught me
when I was learning to use the

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bow.
And this is I think what you,

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what you've talked about a
couple of times, Anthony, about

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the way that men and women learn
differently.

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It's kind of similar to the way
that Tam taught Rand how to

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shoot a bow.
You know, just basically picture

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this fat flame and focus all of
all of your thoughts and energy

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into that.
And that's what he was kind of

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explaining to to land.
And that's when Land is like,

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oh, he was a blade master.
Yeah, because that's how the

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blade masters mostly trained to
clear their mind of

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distractions.
Is feeding it all into the flame

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the same thing?
Yeah, that's a way to focus.

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But I just wanted to say again.
So we we've now had is it

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back-to-back episodes of of him
training.

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This is something that we got, I
think in the second book, there

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was a lot of land training ran
how to use a sword and

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essentially become a blade
master because they all knew he

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needed to learn how to do it,
you know, how to fight with the

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sword.
So it was, again, it was really

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cool to see it.
And, you know, even in the book,

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there were a lot of moments
where Land is sort of like a

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father figure to him in the
absence of Tam.

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But as, as the show progresses,
you know, we'll, we'll see Land

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kind of move away from that
role.

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OK OK I have a question and I
don't know if it's really

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spoilery or not but I just
wanted to ask, Will Rand and Tam

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ever see each other again as far
as you know?

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I don't know as far as the show
goes.

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OK, OK, I just, I just wondered
about that, 'cause we have heard

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his name mentioned a couple of
times in the last couple

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episodes, but you know, with
Rand kind of moving so far away

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from where the two rivers are, I
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OK, is, is that a relationship
that's going to be like

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completely, I don't want to say
severed, but you know, one that

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he will not get to explore
further or that we as viewers

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won't get to explore further.
It's like he's moving closer and

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closer to finding about his his
blood parentage and everything

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about that.
So it's just kind of seems like

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they're they're pulling him away
from who he was in the two

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Rivers.
And so I was just curious about

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that.
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So as you mentioned, so as you
mentioned, you know, it, it

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becomes important for Rand to
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Except Avienda does not think
so.

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Avienda has a huge problem with
Brand having the sword, as we've

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seen in several episodes prior
to this one.

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And then this one, I think it
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when he and land are coming back
to the camp and, you know, she

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kind of stops and she's like,
what if I told you about using

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the sword?
You're not supposed to have a

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sword.
He was like, look, I, I'll

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don't, I, I'll don't use swords.
You keep saying I'm not I, I'll.

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So which one is it?
And then?

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That is a great, that is a great
moment.

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It is like.
Make up your mind it.

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Is because it's like, at first
it seemed like Rand was trying

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to I guess, kind of placate
Avienda when he first met her

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because you know, of, I guess of
the situation, like, OK, here I

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am someone who's technically I
ill, but not I ill.

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And I'm supposed to be the the
savior or the destroyer of your

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people and all this other stuff.
And I think he was trying not to

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rock the boat.
But then after a while, I guess

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he's like, you know what?
You even gonna like me?

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You don't at this point, I'm
just gonna do what I need to do

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because I don't know what to
expect.

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So you either gonna like me or
you're not gonna like me, but

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I'm gonna do what I need to do
to keep myself safe.

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And it's I, I, I like that he's
doing that.

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But also I be in the she makes a
compelling argument, you know,

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just in how she acts towards
them because she turns around to

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land and she was like, oh, this
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Nobody is.
Nobody is to carry swords this

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close to the city in the clouds.
And at first I was sitting there

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like what in the?
World that was.

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That was later.
No, that was that was this.

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Was it?
OK, when she when she basically

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she challenged him, she was
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this close to the city near the
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and land just kind of looks at
her and they're eyeing each

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other and then all of the eye
yield around they start like cat

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calling, like you guys going
instigating.

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You're talking about later?
I thought we were still talking

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about the opening scene.
No, 'cause well, I mean, the

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opening scene wasn't really.
But but but I got you.

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I got I'm.
I'm now I'm.

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There, yeah, the the opening
scene, we had that one little

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moment, but it wasn't really a
lot story wise with that.

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I think it was just a moment to
show that they were still

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bonding, they were still
training.

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OK, but this scene is the
interesting scene because like I

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said, LAN is looking at her and
then he he holds his sword and

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his scabbard out.
He pulls the sword out.

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She was like to a dance.
And then I was like, oh, this is

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about to be interesting because
they're both very skilled and

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they start to spar.
And this is so funny because

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Land actually laughs.
I don't think I've ever seen

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Land laugh on this show.
OK, before you continue, I'm

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just going to let you know that
I am a land stand we've.

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Already discussed.
This he's laughing because he

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can take her at any point in
time, but he's going to

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entertain her because she
obviously got a tip on her

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shoulder.
She been itching at this,

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chomping at the bit to show how
much better she is.

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And he's like, yeah, I'll, I'll
play.

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Right.
And that's exactly how it came

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across.
He was like, oh, do you want to

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play?
Yeah, let's play.

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Come.
On I love when he like disarmed

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her one of her Spears.
Then he he got it.

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He started handling it the
handling it better than her.

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He was like, here, you want it
back.

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She was like.
I was tripping because I didn't

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even see him grab it until he
turned around with it and gave.

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I was like, wait, what did that?
That was a fun sparring session.

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Yeah, I'm not discounting her
skills.

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She's very skilled.
We understand this and that.

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Understand he's on a different
level.

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We understand, I think you've
mentioned this several times

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before, that land is considered
like the best fighter in in out

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of all these people.
Yes, he is.

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Out of all of them.
So yeah, we get it.

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And it looked like he was
holding back with her.

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Like, OK, yeah, I'm just
playing.

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I'm playing.
But then I think he also got a

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little bit more serious as it
went on because he saw what a

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skilled fighter she was.
And he was like, oh, OK, let me

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not play with her.
Like, I feel like he probably

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would have felt like, oh, this
is being real disrespectful for

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me to be, you know, holding back
from somebody like that.

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She probably would have felt
disrespected if she realized he

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was holding back.
Yeah.

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Probably so just consider
herself a skilled warrior.

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And, and it would be, I guess,
dishonorable for him to hold

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back when she was being very
serious about it, so.

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Yeah, like I said, she's a very
skilled warrior, which makes

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what happens afterwards even
more heartbreaking for her.

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Yeah, because Bear and the
women, they come out of the tent

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and they're like, this is
enough.

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It's time for you, You know,
it's time for you to basically

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do your duty.
And she was like, I'm a maiden

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of the spirit.
I don't want to be a wise one.

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And everybody stopped, like even
more like Moran E Gwen ran, they

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all stopped.
And it's like they were all

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looking, I guess in a way
horrified because we see what

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the example of the wise women
are here with Bear and Milan.

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And to think of Avienda not
being able to fight and having

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to kind of travel with these
women and kind of be, I don't

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want to say, I was going to use
the word demure, but I don't

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want to say demure.
But it's very obvious that they

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are not physical warriors.
And to think of Avianna having

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to fulfill this role, it's, it's
so it's so strange to me because

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I can't imagine her as anything
other than what she is.

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Explains why she was on the road
like away from them.

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Like she was probably just
running away.

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She's like the long way.
If I if I stay here y'all gonna

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try to make me do this so far?
Oh yeah, no, that that Barrett

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specifically said that she was
like, you were called to your

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you, you were called and instead
you went across the spine to go

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look for the caracar.
Like that kind of I think put

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some other things into
perspective too, because if you

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remember, she was with Bang and
Chiat and one other person and

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that one other person got killed
while they were out.

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So it's almost like she had kind
of a role in that person's death

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because she was somewhere she
wasn't supposed to be, you know,

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And that's probably why they
beat her the way that they beat

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her, because that was part her
fault.

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And, you know, to think that
this is something that could

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have been avoided if she had
just sat there.

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But but if she had stayed, she
would have never gone across the

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spine.
She would have never ended up

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where she ended up, you know,
and I forgot what the name of

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the town was where parent found
her.

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She would never ended up in
farms.

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She would have never seen ran.
She would have never brought him

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over.
And things would probably be so

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different for them now.
If the the will weave says the

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will will.
I know and I that's, that's one,

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that's one of the things that
you just kind of think about.

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It's like Anthony and I in the
last episode, we were talking

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about that because I said it's,
it's interesting because it's

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almost like we can't hold
anybody accountable because the

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wheel is always, you know,
influencing what a person can or

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cannot do.
Or, you know, there's kind of no

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concept of free will in this
because everything is destiny.

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Everything is the wheel.
Everything is the pattern.

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But this, I think, is one of
those things where you can kind

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of see that there might be a
divergent because if she's

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called to be a wise one, but
then she flees that calling, she

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ends up doing all of these other
things that ends up bringing ran

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to the aisle waste.
And then, you know, if you think

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about the conversation that Bear
and Melaine have in the tent

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with Moraine and Gwen, why do
they have so many rhyming names

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on this?
But when they have the

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conversation with them, you know
Moraine once again asked them.

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She was like, how did you know
we were coming?

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And the response they said was
that wise, wise one see many

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paths and what is happening or
beginning is more easily seen

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than what will happen or may.
So it's kind of like them being

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a seer but not white.
It's kind of like instead of

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that, whatever it is that they
see is definite.

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It's just kind of like, OK, this
is a possibility of.

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Of what?
Well, it's it's related to what

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the wise ones go through when we
talk about when they go through

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the circles in Rubidian.
Rubidian because they see all

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the possibilities of the future,
Yeah.

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So it's easier to see what's
happening right now.

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But because you've seen
thousands and thousands and

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thousands of possibilities, it's
not so easy to see which path

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this is the right.
Path, yeah.

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So it's not like they're,
they're not, they're not seers.

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They just have an idea of what
it's supposed to happen or what

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might happen or what could
happen.

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And they have to be wise and
trying to figure out how to make

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things work out the way they're
supposed.

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Yeah, but just like they said,
they said they didn't see Gwen

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coming at all.
No.

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And they said that Rand coming
to the IO waste was there was

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only like a slight chance that
that would happen.

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But what they did say was that
if Rand didn't come to the IO

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waste, they would have all died.
If Moraine had not come, they

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would have all died.
And then if Land had not come,

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they would have all died.
And I'm like, OK, so the only

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reason why they are even there,
Well, I wanted to say the only

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reason, part of the reason that
they are there is because

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Avienda went off track and made
her way to that side of the

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world.
After they went to her and was

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like OK, it's time for you take
your wise ones test.

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She's like deuces right?
She was.

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Like what we're not going to do?
Which which that is, that could

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have been because since the wise
ones, they are together, they

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can compare.
They're not really supposed to,

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but they can kind of compare
notes about what they've seen.

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Yeah, what is what is his name?
Ruark said the same thing to

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Rand.
He said that we're not supposed

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to talk about the city except to
those who have been to the city.

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So they're not whatever they
experiencing Ruidian, they're

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not supposed to discuss that
with anyone who has not also

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been to Ruidian, right?
Yeah, what they've seen is not

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always for what you've seen for
you is fine, but do not speak of

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what they did say to you.
So, you know, you can take that

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either way.
But if the wise ones can

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compare, no.
Second, Blackwell, in some of

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the futures I saw, I've end up
had a hand in bringing the card

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con here.
And if the card con comes, then

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it's possible Marine comes, and
if Marine comes, she's going to

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bring land.
So you can extrapolate from

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that.
If Rand does not come there,

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they're all going to die.
Period.

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Yeah, yeah.
But they, they were very

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specific with the people who
they did mention.

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If Randy didn't come, Y'all
would have died.

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If Marine didn't come, Y'all
would have died.

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If Land didn't come, y'all would
have died.

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So think about it.
If if Marine and Land had not

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made-up, if she had not restored
that bond and Land just wasn't

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with them, they probably would
have all died.

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So there.
Are way too many people here

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that can see the future?
But they're not seeing the

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future.
They're they're, they're just

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seeing the they've.
Seen possibility.

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They've seen the possibilities
when they became wise ones.

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OK, there are way too many
people that can see

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possibilities and predict shit.
They.

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Had they have seen
possibilities?

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Because I didn't want us to
confuse actual seers with people

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who just seen alternate futures.
Yeah, no, that's why I was

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saying they're similar, but it's
it's not the same thing because

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the fears I think are more
exact.

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Well, see or see something is
going to happen.

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The wise ones see possibilities.
Yeah, the the assets are huge

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difference.
Yeah.

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I don't blame my Vienna.
I wouldn't want that shit

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either.
I'm like that.

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That shit is just like
aggravating.

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Is it Whether, when I can, I
could just be a Maiden of Maiden

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of the Spear and just stab
people?

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And be like, right?
Yeah, but I got, I got to see

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all this shit and decipher it.
Like fuck that shit I got.

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Well, it's like, it's like bear
saying bear was like, you know,

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I was a maiden of the spear and
I was like you and I broke my

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Spears.
Yeah, same thing.

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Yeah, she said.
I refused the call at first

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because she was like, I thought
I was, you know, I was like you.

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I thought I was a woman.
I was, I was strong and I was,

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you know, I wasn't meant for
this, which is so strange

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because I was like, yeah, OK, I,
I think I can see it, but I

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just, I can't imagine Ivy into
not picking up a spear again.

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It's just so strange to think
that.

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At least Bear actually can
commiserate with her and know

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where she's going.
No, no.

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Why?
She did what she did.

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It's like she she tolerated it,
but she she was like, you know,

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I've been through it, but you
know, you got to do what you got

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to do.
I'm sorry.

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Yeah.
Yeah, and remember, the IU are

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held together by their sense of
duty.

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Yeah.
And if she's told that that is

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her duty, then she's going to do
it whether she wants to or not.

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Yeah, yeah.
Similar to bringing Ran to the

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IO waste as the possible car,
car because she didn't want to

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do that either, but that's what
is required of her, you know,

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from her people.
So she was like, OK, I'm doing

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it.
That doesn't mean I have to, I

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have to like it, but I'm doing.
But she wasn't.

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But she wasn't tasked with doing
it.

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She just went and did it on her
own.

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Yeah, yeah, I get it.
But the other interesting thing

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that is said in the tent to more
rain when all of this is, you

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know, being brought to her,
they're like, yeah, OK, if Rand

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didn't come, y'all would have
died.

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If you didn't come, y'all would
have died.

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If land didn't come, y'all would
have died.

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And then Milan starts to say if
you do not go to Ruidia and then

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bear bears like like you ain't
supposed to tell that part.

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And Moraine is looking like.
It's like we've said too much

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already, right?
Look, babe, so based on Bale's

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basic theory, Anthony isn't like
I can't tell you.

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First of all, I have not been as
manipulative as the wise ones

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because trust me, they are a
manipulative group of women and

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trust me, they knew exactly what
they were doing.

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I was just about to ask, does it
seem like they did that on

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purpose?
Like Milan, let that little part

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slip on purpose.
The wise ones are not that

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careless with information.
Or Bane.

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It's like Bane, bane litter, say
just enough that she's like,

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that's it right there.
Right, right.

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Speak, speak, speak.
Go ahead.

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But then she's with with this
bear teller.

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She says it is possible for
women to see some ways the

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future may be woven and ruidian.
So I guess that was her way of

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telling Moraine.
OK, so if you do go, which we're

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not saying you're going because
we've already said too much, but

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if you happen to go, then you
may see what the future holds.

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You may see the different
possibilities that the future

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holds.
But that's only if you go, which

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we're not saying you should go
because we shouldn't have told

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you that.
You would think that Moraine

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being the acid, I would be able
to see through that and being

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able to tell you stuff without
actually telling you stuff.

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Right.
Let me tell you, Moraine was so

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funny because at the beginning
when Wayne is asking them about

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the servants and they, they
answer her and Moraine was like,

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so you're quick to give us
answers to questions we don't

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care to, to know the answers.
It's like, oh, is that not the

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pot calling the kettle black?
Right, right.

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I was like, how dare you,
Moraine.

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But it was interesting enough
for me to pull out this book,

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00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:04,720
this real time book, because I
wanted to know what that

447
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:08,960
particular term was.
Because when Bear or when Milan

448
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:15,720
explained it, the way she worded
it, it didn't come as clear to

449
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,080
me because I was still kind of
confused.

450
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,160
So I looked it up and it was the
guy, Sean.

451
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,000
And of course I don't have my
glasses with me.

452
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,960
Oh yes, I do.
And it was the guy Sean.

453
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:31,080
And so I looked it up and it
says the name means pledged to

454
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:34,200
peace and battle in the old
tongue and is used to refer to

455
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:38,680
those IEO taken prisoner by
other IEO during a raid of

456
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,000
battle.
These prisoners are required by

457
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:46,920
a jeto.
Is that I guess that's the to

458
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:51,360
serve their captor for one year
and a day, touching no weapon

459
00:26:51,360 --> 00:26:53,280
and doing no violence in that
time.

460
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,920
They must complete this service
humbly and obediently, with no

461
00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:00,720
complaint or thought of escape.
They wear white robes to clearly

462
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,600
distinguish them from other IEO
during their service.

463
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,280
Even if they are somehow
returned to their own people,

464
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,760
that period of service must be
completed.

465
00:27:09,120 --> 00:27:12,320
And this is from the world of
Robin Jordan's The Wheel of

466
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:13,960
Time.
It's kind of like a big

467
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:18,760
encyclopedia about the Wheel of
Time that I got last year.

468
00:27:19,360 --> 00:27:25,800
And so it was just interesting
because I think it Gwen, at

469
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:27,760
first, when she looked at them,
she thought they were service.

470
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:31,640
And of course, having gone
through what she recently gone

471
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,920
through, she that was probably
kind of triggering for her.

472
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,520
And then they, when they
explained that they were like,

473
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:41,200
Oh yeah, no, the I think it has
to do with the honor system.

474
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:46,320
Like they said, the lowest honor
is given to people who actually

475
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:50,320
kill in battle.
And the highest honor is to

476
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:56,400
those who engage with an enemy,
but they don't cause harm or or

477
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,720
death.
If you are fighting or I'm

478
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:03,120
sorry, if you're engaged in the
dance of Spears and you're

479
00:28:03,120 --> 00:28:07,800
touched by the person you're
dancing with, then you are going

480
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:09,200
to be a guy.
Sean, OK.

481
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,960
Because they didn't harm you.
They didn't hurt you in any way,

482
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:18,720
but they got to you and they
showed you honor by not killing

483
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:22,360
you, and so therefore you owe
honor to them.

484
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:24,960
OK, Yeah.
For duty.

485
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:31,040
Yeah, so, but yeah, Maraine
Maraine's little response to

486
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,960
that, she was like, you are real
quick to answer questions that

487
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:35,560
we don't really care for the
answers.

488
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:40,080
And they were like, OK, So what
do you want to know the answers

489
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:41,840
to?
I said I and then that's what

490
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:43,440
she tells her.
Oh, how did you know we were

491
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:45,440
coming?
And they go into that whole,

492
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,400
that whole particular
conversation.

493
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:54,680
And later on, Marina ran, they
have a conversation.

494
00:28:55,080 --> 00:29:00,960
And it's interesting because
Brand, I think has gotten to the

495
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,040
point where now he's starting,
like you said, with IVND, he's

496
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,640
starting to challenge things
more.

497
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:11,600
And I thought it was very, I
don't know if I want to call it

498
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:16,960
strange or kind of again, the
cop, the the pot calling the

499
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,800
kettle black because Moraine is
like, OK, you and this arrogance

500
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,080
is not going to work.
And I'm like, Moraine, he's

501
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:28,120
taking a few cues from you
because she has been acting

502
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,680
arrogant literally since we met
her.

503
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:36,920
But they have a conversation
because she realizes he's

504
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,560
planning to go through Ruidian
the next day.

505
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:43,280
And she was like, you know, the
wise ones say that the people

506
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,960
who have gone before, they sit
on the slopes for weeks before

507
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,440
they go.
He was like, I know I need to

508
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:49,720
go.
And that's when she was like,

509
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,880
this arrogance is gonna.
He was like, no, I know I have

510
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,480
to do this.
Like, why put it off?

511
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:57,360
I got it.
I got to get it done.

512
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:02,760
And because he doesn't really
know what is going to take place

513
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:06,800
there, I guess that he figured
now is as good a time as Annie.

514
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,240
Because I can't really prepare
for something when I don't know

515
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:10,960
what to expect.
And they can't.

516
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:12,840
They can't even tell him anyway.
Can't tell.

517
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,400
Him.
No, because what did he say?

518
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,360
He We only talk about Rowidian
to those who have been through

519
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,760
it, so they wouldn't be able to
tell Rand anything anyway.

520
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:28,840
But he challenges Lorraine.
He was like, look, I need you to

521
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:33,760
tell me in plain speak that you
are not going to do anything to

522
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,800
stop me that you are not, you
know, going to try to do

523
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:42,040
something that's more for the
towers benefit or your benefit.

524
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,520
You know, I just need, I just
need to know you're not going to

525
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,480
stop me.
I need you and I need you to say

526
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,360
it plain so I know that you mean
it.

527
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:54,040
In other words, don't be talking
in your riddles, Moraine like

528
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,880
you do to skirt around what you
really need to say.

529
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:01,080
So she was very clear with him.
She was like, I will not hinder

530
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,720
you from fulfilling your
destiny.

531
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:07,320
I have lived my whole life
towards this goal.

532
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:11,000
But I also will not sit here and
watch you put your head on the

533
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:12,480
chopping block.
She was like, I'm not going to

534
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:17,440
promise to stand by and do that
because, you know, Rand was

535
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,240
trying to tell her.
He was like, you've never tried

536
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:20,600
to help me.
She was like, that's all I've

537
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,640
ever done.
And I guess if you're looking at

538
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,640
it from the outside, like, like,
we can look at it.

539
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,880
We can see where, yeah,
everything that she has done

540
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,160
literally has been to try to get
Rand to where he needs to be.

541
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,760
It may not have looked like it
because there were some things

542
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:40,920
that she had to do that was kind
of not on the up and up.

543
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:46,400
But I think, I mean, looking at
her history, looking at what she

544
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:52,760
gave up to spend 20 years
looking for him, yeah, I I think

545
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:58,160
Moraine is probably one of his
best allies at this point

546
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,760
because she's going to make sure
that he fulfills his destiny.

547
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,280
That's that's all she, that's
all she's ever wanted to do.

548
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:10,520
And she's not lying, all she's
done is protect him and even

549
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:14,240
even trying to get him to go the
tear to get the sword is for his

550
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:18,640
protection as well.
So now some of the things that

551
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:22,440
she's done to protect him may
have been a little bit shady,

552
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:26,320
but that was always because it
was involving other people.

553
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:30,640
Like I don't think she really
wanted to hurt egg Wayne and

554
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,560
parent and Matt or whatever.
I don't think she meant she

555
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:38,800
wanted to hurt them on purpose.
But just like she told man right

556
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:44,520
before they got to farm, she was
like, I will let 1000 people die

557
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,320
in order for him to become the
dragon.

558
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,000
That's what it means to support
him.

559
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:52,560
Do you understand this is the
level of commitment I have and?

560
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,040
That's why landfill say, well, I
like that part of you, right?

561
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:02,400
Because I mean, and fortunately,
I guess it does have its appeal

562
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,720
if you're on that side where
you're like, OK, yes, he needs

563
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:09,560
to become the Dragon Reborn for
whatever your purposes are.

564
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:18,000
Or landfills, I guess.
But anyway, I guess we can go to

565
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:24,520
Ruidian now 'cause that's a lot.
When I say this episode felt so

566
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:28,560
long, there was so much going
on.

567
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:32,960
First of all, when they get up
there to Veridian to to the kind

568
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,600
of the outskirts of that city,
and that was definitely a city.

569
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,920
City in the clouds.
Oh my gosh, that thing is is

570
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,280
huge.
But when they get there, the

571
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:51,600
shadow are there, the shadow IE.
And I don't know if she the the

572
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:56,040
woman we saw Savannah, is she
their their leader?

573
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,000
She was.
She's a wise woman.

574
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:00,840
Oh, OK, she's a wise one as
well.

575
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:04,880
OK, I can tell because, you
know, her headpiece and stuff

576
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:06,920
was so elaborate.
I was like, what?

577
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:08,679
Is she like a leader?
A queen?

578
00:34:08,679 --> 00:34:12,120
Or is she just extra?
In the book in the book, she's

579
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:17,199
known for wearing necklaces.
Oh, OK.

580
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,120
Tons.
Like she would just be covered

581
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,440
with necklaces.
Oh, OK.

582
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:28,600
And yeah, yeah.
And basically just that.

583
00:34:29,199 --> 00:34:33,400
OK oh, just oh, OK OK.
So they had to kind of, they had

584
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:34,800
to kind of change that around
for the show.

585
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,000
Yeah.
OK OK All right.

586
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,000
But yeah.
So anyway, so, so she's there

587
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:48,000
and apparently her husband has
died and she has taken his son

588
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:55,560
as her new husband and he has
gone through Rowidian and that

589
00:34:55,560 --> 00:35:01,440
exchange there was the
interesting one because there's

590
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:06,120
a guy there named Culloden who
is, I guess, I guess.

591
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:10,000
That.
I guess that's Savannah's other.

592
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,560
I guess that's like her other
stepson.

593
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,640
Yeah, now, now I guess,
brother-in-law.

594
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:23,000
That son slash brother-in-law.
Yeah, but he is he is very

595
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:27,880
offended about the fact that
that our dad brought Rand and

596
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:31,760
Lorraine and all the quote UN
quote wetlanders to Ruidian.

597
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,040
And there's a conversation that
they had because at that point,

598
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:39,200
that's when Rand asked for
permission to go through Ruidian

599
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:44,840
from Bear and Mullane and cooler
than is like he's not even I

600
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:46,680
yield.
What did he say?

601
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:52,040
He said it would mean his death
if he if he walks through

602
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:57,840
Ruidian.
And Ran says, my mother was I

603
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,480
ill?
And Bear turns around and she

604
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,480
looks at him.
She says, your father, yes, but

605
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,480
your mother?
And then she's cut off before

606
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:10,040
she can finish.
And I was like, wait, I missed

607
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:11,640
that the first time I watched
this.

608
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,520
But then after having the
conversations over the last two

609
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,000
episodes, I was like, wait a
minute.

610
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,280
I'm about to ask Anthony to
possibly spoil something.

611
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:26,960
So Rand's mother was not I'll.
No.

612
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:34,400
OK so going further back a
couple episodes, is it possible

613
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:40,800
that his mother is the missing
daughter air from as he takes

614
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:47,440
his old fashioned?
Because all this time they've

615
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:52,680
literally been making it seem
like Rand's mother was IO,

616
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,240
because, I mean, she was
fighting in the IO war.

617
00:36:55,720 --> 00:36:58,680
She does have the red hair.
So.

618
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,640
And then of course, we know that
Rand is IO.

619
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:05,920
They said that very plainly so.
Elaine has red hair.

620
00:37:06,240 --> 00:37:09,120
She does.
Interestingly.

621
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,440
Enough so red hair is not
exclusive to the IO.

622
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:16,520
Right.
But I, I, I like the way that

623
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:22,680
they've always kind of pushed
that narrative in the show just

624
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:25,880
to make it seem like, oh, OK,
well, yes, it was his mother,

625
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:29,280
his mother, his mother.
And then all of a sudden in this

626
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:33,040
season, you start seeing, I
guess not necessarily holes

627
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:39,040
because for me, it wasn't
glaringly obvious when we talked

628
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:43,080
about Andorra and, you know,
mortgages, coronation and the

629
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:46,960
missing daughter here.
There's nothing that would have

630
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:51,320
led me to think that that was
Rand's mother because at that

631
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:55,000
point we had no other indication
that Rand's mother was anything

632
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,120
other than I ill.
Nothing had been said.

633
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,800
So now with this one little
bitty statement that Bear said,

634
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:10,480
again, like you said, they don't
say anything without reason.

635
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,480
You know what I'm saying?
I don't think that she, I don't

636
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,160
think that was an accidental
slip.

637
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,200
Nope.
Why you You know what?

638
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,600
Why are you hiding your face?
Anthony, I'm I'm not hiding my

639
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,080
face.
I'm not.

640
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:33,600
Oh, yeah, I I thought that that
was very interesting because

641
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,200
Randy.
Very interesting indeed.

642
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:37,840
Yes.
He didn't even have a chance to

643
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:41,080
like, really react to that, to
that, you know?

644
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:42,480
Yeah, 'cause that was news to
him.

645
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:46,200
Wait, what?
Right, because he's he even he's

646
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,240
thought all this time that his
mother was.

647
00:38:48,240 --> 00:38:52,920
I ill now answer this question
because I can't remember.

648
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,000
You mean try answer this
question?

649
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,880
Well, yes, try to answer this
question from first season

650
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:02,160
'cause I know that Rand found
out about his mother being I ill

651
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,600
and it's possible that Tam may
have thought that she was I

652
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:06,000
I'll.
I mean, why would he?

653
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,080
Why would he think she wasn't?
She was there fighting the IEO

654
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:16,080
war, you know.
But does did they ever say

655
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:19,040
specifically that Tam was not
his father?

656
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:23,200
Like does Ran have have any
reason to think that Tam wasn't

657
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:26,720
his father up until this point
'cause I don't think I don't

658
00:39:26,720 --> 00:39:31,040
remember them discussing that.
I'm not sure that that would

659
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:37,120
require rewatch of season 1, and
I'm not doing that, but I don't,

660
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,960
I don't remember.
I don't remember ever it ever

661
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:43,920
explicitly being said.
Yeah, OK.

662
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:45,760
And I couldn't.
I can't remember.

663
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:49,360
I can't remember.
OK, because it because I feel

664
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:56,760
like if if Rand knew that Tam
was not his father, then I feel

665
00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:01,800
like his whole thing about being
I I'll would probably be a bit

666
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:06,120
more.
I don't know he he would expect.

667
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:09,760
I want to say a little bit more.
I want to say he's thought, I

668
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:14,680
want to say maybe this in the
show, he did think that Tam was

669
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:18,920
his father.
OK, OK, And just maybe it was

670
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:22,680
the story of because I know that
Tam had a wife who died and

671
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:24,400
that's who Ran thought was his
mother.

672
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:28,240
And then when the truth came out
and he was told that his mother

673
00:40:28,240 --> 00:40:31,400
was I ill, you know, it's just
kind of one of those things

674
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,600
where, oh, you know, this is
what happened.

675
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:36,720
Your mother was AI ill woman.
She died.

676
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:40,000
And you know, your mom raised
you.

677
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:43,720
But I don't think nothing was
ever said about Tam.

678
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,120
But then this also makes me
wonder.

679
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:50,360
So if Tam was there and we know
Tam is not I ill was that does

680
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:55,320
that mean that he was there
fighting for Carian for a king?

681
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,400
What is name King Lemon
Soldiers?

682
00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:58,800
King Lemon.
Yeah.

683
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,840
Yeah, remember in the flashback
he was there fighting.

684
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,120
Yeah, but back then we didn't
know who he was fighting and

685
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:08,280
what they were fighting for.
Yeah.

686
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:12,120
OK, OK.
Yeah, I just wonder cause like.

687
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:13,640
This, not this, not really
spoiling.

688
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:18,640
He was, he was, yeah, 'cause he
was a blade master and he was

689
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:23,080
one of the captains.
Yeah, OK.

690
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:25,600
Yeah.
Because even in this episode,

691
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,560
Rand, when he's talking to Len,
he tells him he was like, you

692
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:30,920
know, I don't know much about my
father.

693
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:34,840
I know that he was a soldier way
before I was born.

694
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:40,560
But, you know, I think Tam
intentionally left out all of

695
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,840
the information as far as who he
was, who he fought for, because

696
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,760
Rand didn't even know he had a
sword until the trolley came

697
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:51,040
into the cabin.
So, you know, there's a lot

698
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,000
about him that that Ran doesn't
know.

699
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:56,960
Any Yeah, Pam, Tim took that
baby and went all the way back

700
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:00,680
to the Two Rivers.
Yeah, where he could blend in

701
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:03,720
because as soon as he got out of
the Two Rivers, damn, you look

702
00:42:03,720 --> 00:42:06,960
like an IU everywhere he went,
man.

703
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,880
You look like IU.
What is IO, man, doing this far

704
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:11,720
South?
Yeah, yeah, 'cause he had never

705
00:42:11,720 --> 00:42:14,640
left the Two Rivers.
Yeah.

706
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,760
And he was there as a baby, so
no one around there.

707
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,280
Yeah, and they wouldn't have
thought it because I mean, he's

708
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,080
been here as a baby.
Like, why would we think that

709
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:30,600
He's IU So and especially if Tam
had a it if if his wife was

710
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:34,040
still alive back then, you know,
he could have come home with his

711
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:40,000
baby kind of like, you know, in
a sense, kind of like it's Ned

712
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:43,080
Stark, you know, hey, here's
this baby.

713
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,320
The mom is dead.
I didn't want to leave the baby

714
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,760
abandoned.
And the wife was probably like,

715
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:50,840
OK, yes, we can.
We can take it in.

716
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:54,240
We can take care of it.
And nobody would have thought

717
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,160
anything else, you know, but
that's that could also be a

718
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:00,320
reason why Tam and Rand stayed
in the mountains instead of

719
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,920
staying there in the in the
village with everybody else.

720
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,720
Just to kind of keep now on the
questions, like, yeah, we come

721
00:43:06,720 --> 00:43:10,200
down and we, you know,
congregate with everybody.

722
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:13,240
So at least that way people can
say, Oh yeah, I've known him

723
00:43:13,240 --> 00:43:15,760
since he was a baby.
If the question ever came

724
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,720
around, you know, like, oh, who
is this guy?

725
00:43:18,720 --> 00:43:20,520
He doesn't belong here.
They're like, no, he's been here

726
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:22,680
since we've known him since he
was a baby.

727
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,240
And technically speaking, I
mean, he was a newborn.

728
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,400
So they literally have known him
since birth.

729
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:33,720
So it will be a a good way to
keep him safe from everyone else

730
00:43:33,720 --> 00:43:35,880
or safe from anyone that would
have been looking for him.

731
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,280
But it just it does open a lot
more questions now.

732
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,840
And of course, brand is probably
well up until he went through a

733
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,320
wedding and he probably would
have had questions because once

734
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:49,960
Bear said that was like, yeah,
your your father was I ill?

735
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:54,000
But your mother, he was like,
wait, hold up, what Tam was I

736
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:55,920
ill?
And then you get through wedding

737
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,680
and you're like, oh, wait, you
know.

738
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:05,400
But yeah.
So anyway, so after they make

739
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:09,120
this this little day.
He he got he got what did he

740
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:12,400
say?
He said he asked their leave and

741
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:16,480
included It was like he presents
himself like a woman and bear's

742
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:22,240
like first of all, he's.
Like, do you want to be a wise

743
00:44:22,240 --> 00:44:22,680
woman?
Let's.

744
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:24,640
Just want to be a wise.
Skirt and I.

745
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:29,960
Didn't try to train you.
But one thing I will say about

746
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:33,520
that conversation, and not just
that conversation, but also kind

747
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:37,920
of like the conversations that
Avienda has been having with Ran

748
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,920
and stuff about, oh, this is
what we do, this is what we

749
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,160
don't do, and this is how you're
supposed to do this.

750
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:49,640
Do y'all?
Like, I wouldn't expect everyone

751
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:55,840
who comes here to know our way
of life to know how we react in

752
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:59,720
certain situations, especially
if you've never heard of

753
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:02,240
American culture, you know what
I'm saying?

754
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:06,160
And I've just find it so
irritating that these people

755
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:10,520
automatically assume that these
people from way across the world

756
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,400
are supposed to know their
customs, are supposed to know

757
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:16,040
what they do.
Like, how is Rand supposed to

758
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:19,560
know that they don't carry
swords in the IO ways?

759
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:24,040
Like you already know he's not
been raised here, he doesn't

760
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:26,880
know anything about the IO
culture culture he has said so.

761
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:30,120
So why would you expect him to
know and understand that y'all

762
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:31,520
don't carry swords?
Yeah, yeah.

763
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:33,240
How would anyone from the West
know?

764
00:45:33,240 --> 00:45:36,680
Because y'all kill anyone that
come there that's from the West.

765
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:41,200
That's that's not the Tuatha 1.
You, you kill me.

766
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:45,200
So how?
How would anyone suppose?

767
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:49,120
How is anyone supposed to know
your culture and the fact that

768
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:53,480
y'all kill people who come in
and y'all came down for no

769
00:45:53,720 --> 00:45:58,240
seemingly no apparent reason and
started a war and then left for

770
00:45:58,240 --> 00:46:00,640
no apparent reason?
Right, right.

771
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:04,960
That just irritated me so much
because they're like, oh, look

772
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,120
at him.
He's presenting himself as like

773
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:08,720
a woman.
How is he supposed to know?

774
00:46:08,720 --> 00:46:11,480
He's only ever seen that done
once, and that was when I'll be

775
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:13,720
in the asked for permission to
go to Ruidian.

776
00:46:13,720 --> 00:46:16,800
How is he supposed to know?
Like y'all keep telling him OK,

777
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:18,480
you're the car car and you're
supposed to go through the

778
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:21,480
trials of Ruidian.
No one is even telling him what

779
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:24,240
that is.
They won't even explain to him

780
00:46:24,240 --> 00:46:29,480
what Ruidian is up until that
point when they go and he gets

781
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:33,120
to see it in all its glory.
I like Bear Sass.

782
00:46:33,240 --> 00:46:35,280
She is I love.
Her.

783
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,960
I love her.
First of all bro, you want to

784
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:41,800
dress?
And she was like, And if you

785
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:48,680
don't keep your mouth shut while
the wise ones are talking, I was

786
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:50,240
like, oh, then.
She's sending packing.

787
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:53,240
Oh, then she's sending packing.
OK all y'all need all y'all me

788
00:46:53,240 --> 00:46:54,640
need to leave.
No, no, no no no.

789
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:58,480
Before she did that, when he got
ready.

790
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:02,920
When Ran asked for Lee to go to
Ruidian and Bear and Milan

791
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:09,560
agreed, Culloden tried to lunge
at Ran and tried to attack him.

792
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:16,120
I had the dagger and was getting
ready to go after him, but Bear

793
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:21,280
channeled and stopped him.
Yeah, I wanted to ask, I thought

794
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,400
it looked like Rark channeled.
I was like hold.

795
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:24,920
Up.
I thought that too, but no, it

796
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:29,440
was coming from Bear.
But I was just like, wait a

797
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:32,680
minute, she can channel 'cause
even Moran was looking at her

798
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:36,880
like, oh.
Interesting.

799
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:39,920
Ruach.
Ruach pulled one of the mini

800
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:43,200
knives he has hidden.
No, we're not going to talk

801
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,320
about him and his mini knives.
We're going to talk about

802
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:48,440
Miraine and hers.
Miraine had, like you said.

803
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:51,120
Like 12 knives like in crevices
like yo hold up.

804
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,400
Like you said, they sent the
others packing.

805
00:47:54,400 --> 00:48:00,720
They told she told Ruach to go,
she told LAN to go, and then she

806
00:48:00,720 --> 00:48:03,280
told the Gwaine to go back.
And the Gwen was like, I'm going

807
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:06,360
with him.
And she said, no, if you ask for

808
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:08,800
leave, we will.
We will tell you no.

809
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:13,120
It is time for you to learn what
you are and it's time for him to

810
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:16,960
learn what he is.
Your paths do not align.

811
00:48:17,720 --> 00:48:23,080
And I was just like, OK, how
many Times Now?

812
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:24,920
And we're in, we're in three
seasons.

813
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:26,520
We're halfway through the third
season.

814
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:32,840
How many times does it seem like
Elaine, Gwaine and Rand want to

815
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,880
be together, want to stay
together, but their paths keep

816
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:39,960
diverging and I feel like they
are really not paying attention

817
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,720
to it because they love each
other so much and they want to

818
00:48:42,720 --> 00:48:44,840
be together.
But it's like, obviously the

819
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,960
will is telling y'all.
Y'all need?

820
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:52,240
To go Anthony, turn the camera
off again.

821
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:55,560
You don't have to do that every
time you want to, you know, make

822
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:58,040
your face look funny.
Anthony, we get it.

823
00:48:58,160 --> 00:48:59,720
We get it.
You're not going to tell us

824
00:48:59,720 --> 00:49:00,960
anything.
You can.

825
00:49:01,240 --> 00:49:04,000
We can just just let us see your
pretty face to know that we are

826
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:05,760
kind of sort of on the right
path.

827
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:08,480
Yeah.
It doesn't have to be spoiler

828
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:11,080
all the time.
Well it it is another turning of

829
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:13,200
the wheel, so who knows what can
happen.

830
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:16,880
Yeah, but I mean she very
clearly tells her your paths do

831
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:20,480
not align.
And and yet, of course they're

832
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:23,000
going to ignore this and still
try to be together.

833
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:27,360
But I'm like, the wheel is
trying like, like, how much

834
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:29,680
clearer can they be?
It's like the wheels just going

835
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:32,720
to come one day and just like
it's going to be a wheel that

836
00:49:32,720 --> 00:49:39,400
rolls in between them and stops
and be like, no, like how what

837
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:41,480
else do you all need to hear?
Like are.

838
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:44,360
Y'all supposed to be together?
Like shit.

839
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:50,680
I know, but then after they send
everyone else away, Moraine

840
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:54,560
asked to go to Ruidian and.
And Bear looked at her again and

841
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:56,120
it's like, you should not have
been told.

842
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,160
She was like, does it matter if
I had been told her?

843
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:01,480
Like, I'm asking you, can I go
now?

844
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:03,720
And they're like, well, you've
already been told.

845
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:06,800
We got to give you permission.
Yes, you can go.

846
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:10,680
But then, then they also say,
yeah, you, you, you ask.

847
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:14,600
Even when we don't say anything.
The future they've seen you.

848
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:16,040
You.
You always ask anyway.

849
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:22,200
So you always ask so, so yeah.
So they step to the to the

850
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:25,680
slopes where they getting ready
to go in and they're told that

851
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:28,000
they cannot take any weapons
into Ruidian.

852
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:32,440
So Rand, he puts down his spear
or his sword.

853
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:37,320
Moraine starts taking knives out
of everywhere.

854
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:40,200
And it reminded me of.
I don't know if you guys have

855
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:43,240
seen The Mortal Instrument City
of Bones, but there is a scene

856
00:50:43,240 --> 00:50:47,200
in that movie where Jason Clary
are about to go into an

857
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:50,280
apartment and she tells him she
was like, no, you got to leave

858
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:53,320
all your weapons at the door.
And he literally does the same

859
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:55,000
thing.
He's pulling swords out from

860
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,080
everywhere.
He's pulling out knives and

861
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:59,560
this, that and other.
That's what that thing reminded

862
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:03,600
me of, because Moraine was
pulling knives out of everywhere

863
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:07,560
and like everybody's just
looking at her, like, because I

864
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:09,920
wouldn't have thought that she
had all that stuff on her.

865
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:13,160
Just because she a blue don't
mean she she can't fight.

866
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:16,520
Oh, believe me, I I understand.
But it was just so funny because

867
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:18,600
I'm expecting.
OK, yeah, you might have one

868
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:20,160
knife, you might have two
knives.

869
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:25,520
She probably pulled out like 8.
Didn't didn't do something

870
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:30,160
similar in Shadow and Bone.
Yes, yes, yes, she did.

871
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:32,840
She did.
But but we would expect that

872
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:35,360
from her.
I mean, the race, you kind of

873
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:37,240
expect it from her because
that's what she does.

874
00:51:37,240 --> 00:51:41,080
She's a fighter, Moraine.
It was just it was so strange

875
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:44,200
because you're so used to seeing
her, especially in the last

876
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:48,520
couple of episodes, because she
has not looked like an eyes to

877
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:50,600
die.
She has not looked her usual

878
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:53,880
regal, you know, dressed up
self.

879
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:57,200
So the fact that she had all
this stuff hiding and she took

880
00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:00,600
off her belt, which I guess was
a weapon to I was like but damn.

881
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:03,600
All right.
But I mean, nice to see that

882
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:06,440
she's so prepared, especially
considering they have been on

883
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:10,360
the run from Forsaken for the
last few however long.

884
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:17,600
So you know, OK, I get it.
But then they make their

885
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:23,480
approach to Ruidian, and this is
where things get very, very

886
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:26,920
interesting.
Now, we'll ask this before we go

887
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:29,600
into what happens once they get
inside the walls.

888
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:32,880
Anthony, what was it
specifically about this episode

889
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,360
that made you say, OK, you know
what?

890
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:36,680
Y'all can do whatever y'all want
to do.

891
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:40,880
It doesn't have to be book.
Whatever I I'm in, I'm all in.

892
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:47,080
Because they seem to have for
once, it felt like they really

893
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:53,720
took into account stuff from the
book, Like they really seem to,

894
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:58,120
to take care to try to translate
it, to try to make it work.

895
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:00,840
It's sort of what you will want
from an adaptation.

896
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:05,760
I guess you, you kind of get
those in the books.

897
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:12,400
The it's 2 chapters for Ran
going to Ruinian, his, his

898
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:16,920
visions or journey.
And there's no way you can adapt

899
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:22,520
that in in the coherent way that
wouldn't take a whole season.

900
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:26,400
OK.
So I think they, because of it,

901
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:30,000
seemed like someone finally took
care in the material.

902
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:33,400
OK.
And translated it very well.

903
00:53:33,720 --> 00:53:37,480
OK, So if they keep doing it
this way, the the show's going

904
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:40,440
to be it's, it's, it's really
going to be on the uptake.

905
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:43,560
It's going to be really, really
popular, OK.

906
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:47,800
I think right now it's #1 in
most countries on Amazon Prime.

907
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:52,680
I I saw that, yeah.
And I've seen a lot of very

908
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:58,680
positive reviews or, you know,
comments online about this

909
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:01,120
season.
It just in general, you know,

910
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:04,840
because even though we're we're
recording episode 4 now, the

911
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:08,080
show is actually up to episode 7
at this point.

912
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:12,160
And just, you know, trying to
avoid spoilers from the other

913
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:16,240
episodes and stuff like that.
I was like, OK, people seem to

914
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:19,440
really be enjoying this season
and.

915
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:26,520
Yeah, but but seeing the journey
that he goes through, we're

916
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:30,640
going to talk about it.
But seeing that is and and you

917
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:34,560
know, I was going to deem them
on Rowenian because that's not

918
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:39,280
how it's described in the book.
I mean, it's really almost not

919
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:41,440
like a city.
It's really more like a

920
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:44,080
repository.
Oh, OK.

921
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:50,280
And it's shaped like a wheel
with 7 spokes, and they're very

922
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:55,920
small paths to get to the
center, which is where Rand and

923
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:58,160
where they needed to go.
OK.

924
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:02,040
And what they found, what they
saw as they were walking down

925
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:06,360
the path, are Sangreal and
Tangreal everywhere.

926
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:10,560
OK.
Like pals and pals of them is

927
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:12,560
basically what the city was made
of.

928
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:17,160
Oh, OK, OK.
But yeah, it's it's very

929
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:21,000
different than this one because
we only see the once Angriol

930
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:25,120
that Moraine ends up finding and
that's the one that's that's

931
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:29,600
continuously referenced
throughout both of their visions

932
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:32,040
that they're having.
The Sarkanin.

933
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:39,560
Yeah, the Sarkanin.
But OK, let's, let's talk about

934
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:48,120
this trip into Louidian and the
reveals that we learn in the

935
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:50,040
midst of all of that, 'cause
there's a lot.

936
00:55:50,720 --> 00:55:53,760
There is a lot.
First things first, when they

937
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:56,760
first come to the city and they
look up and Moraine says

938
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:59,360
something about this doesn't
look like I'll work.

939
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:06,920
There are two big statues, like
very, very, very, very, very

940
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:09,560
tall statues.
Probably I, I don't know how

941
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:17,000
many feet high up they are, but
they are at the entrance way of

942
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:19,560
what looks to be some kind of
city.

943
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:22,160
Like you say, Anthony, it does
look circular when you look at

944
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:25,280
it from the outside, but you
can't really tell anything

945
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:27,440
because it's covered in this
fog.

946
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:32,720
And so you don't know how like
how how high up it goes or

947
00:56:32,720 --> 00:56:34,960
anything like that.
You can just see kind of a few

948
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:38,360
structures in the middle of it
that kind of stick out.

949
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:42,560
But you really don't have an
idea of the the height or the

950
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:45,920
depth of this place because of
the fog.

951
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:49,360
And that's, you know, one of the
things that Moraine talks about

952
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:52,120
when she comes in because she
was like, OK, so the statues

953
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:57,360
don't look like ideal work.
And then also this fog that we

954
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:00,720
see, she said.
I keep thinking, I see threads

955
00:57:00,720 --> 00:57:03,160
of the one power in it, but then
they disappear.

956
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:11,200
So then they approach this huge,
huge tree in the middle called

957
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:18,120
the tree of life.
Aventisora and Moraine talks

958
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:23,120
about how, you know, we we knew
the IL had it, we just didn't

959
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:27,400
know where.
And she says it's about 3000

960
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:32,080
years old.
And she says we had a sapling of

961
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:37,120
it where I grew up, the IEO gave
it to Kyrie in hundreds of years

962
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:42,280
ago as a repayment for some type
of debt even older.

963
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:45,760
And then Rand is like, I don't
see a tree like this in Kyrie

964
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:51,040
in.
And then Moraine says no, you

965
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:57,600
wouldn't, because when my uncle
Layman became king, he cut it

966
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:04,080
down to make his throne because
he wanted a throne that could

967
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:07,760
not be copied.
This motherfucker.

968
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:14,600
And even before that, OK, little
bit of arrogance, OK, fine.

969
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:25,200
But then she says that is why
the Ideal came across the spine,

970
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:32,680
because him breaking down or him
cutting down the tree means that

971
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:37,840
he broke the oath to protect the
tree and the pledge of peace

972
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:42,520
that is symbolized, she said
this is basically what started

973
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:47,040
the ideal war.
They were supposed to keep that

974
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:49,440
tree.
They were supposed to, I guess,

975
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:51,800
be peaceful.
And because he took it down for

976
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:56,160
selfish purposes, they went
after him, they chased them all

977
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:59,440
the way to Dragon Mount, and
that's where they killed him.

978
00:58:59,920 --> 00:59:02,840
And of course, we know that's
where Rand was born.

979
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:07,840
And he was like, oh, so is this
why I'm the one that fulfills

980
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:09,320
the prophecy of the Dragon
Reborn?

981
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:13,040
Like what you mean we we've been
connected this whole time?

982
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:14,680
We were connected even before
birth.

983
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:18,320
The wheel weaves as the wheel
wheels.

984
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:26,800
I wonder who gave, who gave, who
gave laymen the idea to tear

985
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:28,200
that tree down and build a
throng.

986
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:32,880
Was he all of a sudden, he just
all of a sudden decided to do

987
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:37,600
that, You know, just crazy.
Just to, just, to be, just to be

988
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:42,920
unique like.
No, but then that that kind of

989
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:50,200
gives you an understanding of
why Moraine's sister talked with

990
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:54,560
talked about him with such
disdain, because not only were

991
00:59:54,560 --> 01:00:00,280
they just a great house, their
uncle was the king, they were

992
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:08,160
royalty more rain was royalty
and for what?

993
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:11,840
A a unique looking throne.
Where is that throne now?

994
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:14,080
That's the question.
Where is that throne now?

995
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:18,240
Obviously that they didn't pay
attention to anybody, any

996
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:21,440
characters in Game of Thrones
when you talking about sitting

997
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:23,480
in a unique throne and what
could happen to you.

998
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:29,160
Listen, I'm just saying when she
said that the way that Rand

999
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:37,120
looked at her, he was like, so
This is why my mother was in

1000
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:40,960
drag him out because of your
uncle doing some stupid shit.

1001
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:47,120
And you got to imagine that at
at that point, there is probably

1002
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:50,040
a little bit of bitterness with
him because he could have been

1003
01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:53,280
thinking, OK, if your uncle
hadn't have done this dumb shit,

1004
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:55,840
my mother wouldn't have had to
go to war.

1005
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:58,160
We could, she could have been
with her people.

1006
01:00:58,160 --> 01:00:59,600
I would have been born with my
people.

1007
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:02,840
I would have, I mean, you know.
You, I mean, you can, you can,

1008
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:05,920
you can think that, but again, I
know.

1009
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:10,160
I know.
That boy was going to be born.

1010
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:13,040
He was going to be born on that
mountain, one way or another.

1011
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:16,720
Yeah, but I'm saying if we're,
if we're not thinking about

1012
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:22,320
destiny and, you know, some type
of mythical whatever kind of

1013
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:26,360
manipulating life events, there
is probably a part of him that's

1014
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:28,360
thinking, OK, you know what, I
could have grown up with my

1015
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:32,520
family.
Not, you know, not to discount

1016
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:35,160
anything that he went through
with Tam, you know, and the

1017
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:38,640
family that he had there and the
friends, but still there's a

1018
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:43,360
small part of him that's
probably like shit.

1019
01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:47,080
Then he tells Maureen he was
like, you shouldn't have come in

1020
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:50,920
here, like I don't want to be
around you.

1021
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:56,720
But then that's when their their
pets kind of divulge what Bane

1022
01:01:56,720 --> 01:02:00,600
tells them before they go in.
They tell Moraine.

1023
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:06,640
They said Moraine, you will step
through and see, see some rings

1024
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:09,760
and you will step through them
and see your future again and

1025
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:12,400
again and variation.
And you will know without a

1026
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:16,600
doubt some things that must be
for you and some that must not.

1027
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:19,680
And what they tell Rand is that
you will walk through glass

1028
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:23,880
columns, retracing the footsteps
of your blood ancestors.

1029
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:28,960
Each step forward will be a step
backward in time dozens of years

1030
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:32,160
or hundreds of years or maybe
more.

1031
01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:36,400
And they said to lead is to know
where you came from, to

1032
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:38,280
understand the blood in your
veins.

1033
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:44,920
Now I get all that I was not
expecting, and I was not.

1034
01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:51,080
I don't think I was prepared for
the depth of how far back his

1035
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:54,240
his vision.
I don't even want to know if I

1036
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:58,160
want to call it visions, but his
recollections of the past and

1037
01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:02,720
seeing, you know, his ancestors,
how far back it will go and the

1038
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:07,080
depth and the meaning of it.
And not only that, every single

1039
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:12,400
version of the person in his
past, Joshua Stradowski, Rand

1040
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:16,280
was playing those parts.
He played each one of those.

1041
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:24,720
And I mean, he was so good in
this episode because they made

1042
01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:29,040
him, especially with some of the
some of the characters he

1043
01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:31,920
played, he looked so completely
different.

1044
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:34,960
They had like a lot of
prosthetics on him and his his

1045
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:37,720
voice was different.
Like I said, his accent changed

1046
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:40,160
with different ones.
But it's like there's something

1047
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:43,800
about his voice, like the bass
line and his voice when he

1048
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:47,800
opened his mouth for the first
one, like that is Rand, but that

1049
01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:50,200
looks nothing like him.
And then I went to look it up

1050
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:51,800
and I was like, Oh my God, that
is him.

1051
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:54,960
He was phenomenal in this
episode.

1052
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:57,040
And I think, Anthony, I think
you and I may have mentioned

1053
01:03:57,040 --> 01:04:01,320
this in the last episode, he is
so good, so good.

1054
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:06,280
Yeah, it's like good.
I, I had, I literally had no

1055
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:09,360
idea the first time when you saw
him, when you saw him as man

1056
01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:13,760
Mandan.
You see him as Jandwin from.

1057
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:16,040
Jandwin, yeah.
Yeah.

1058
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:21,720
George Jandwin, yeah.
I was like, OK, is that then

1059
01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:25,440
it's like when I looked at the
X-ray, I was like, it is that

1060
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:29,800
Randall?
I was like, oh, so Jandwin is

1061
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:32,040
that is Rand.
Is that Rand's actual father?

1062
01:04:32,080 --> 01:04:36,200
That's his actual father, OK?
I'm gonna have questions going

1063
01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:38,440
through this, so that's fine.
Oh yeah, so.

1064
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:40,360
Questions are questions are
fine.

1065
01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:43,440
Yeah, questions are fine.
That's how we're gonna find out

1066
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:45,560
all this information the.
Answer is not so much.

1067
01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:49,320
Yeah, we don't want to get
Anthony drunk trying to trying

1068
01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:51,680
to avoid spoilers.
Don't you have to work tomorrow?

1069
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:54,240
Don't even.
Mention it.

1070
01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:56,360
This is.
This is a mocktail.

1071
01:04:56,360 --> 01:05:01,440
This is not real.
Oh, OK, OK, whatever.

1072
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:06,840
Anyway, so the so the first
footstep that Rand takes through

1073
01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:09,800
the glass columns, we see images
of the battle on Dragon Mount

1074
01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:12,720
and he is a warrior called.
I think that's Janduin.

1075
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:13,960
I don't have my.
Glasses.

1076
01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:17,640
Yeah, Janduin.
OK, Janduin, which is an IO

1077
01:05:17,640 --> 01:05:21,040
warrior, he's kind of, you know,
he's looking at himself like,

1078
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:23,800
how did I get here?
And then one of the other

1079
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:26,040
soldiers says, Janduin, you
know, what's wrong with you

1080
01:05:26,040 --> 01:05:28,400
fight.
So they start fighting some of

1081
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:30,720
the soldiers.
And then we learned that those

1082
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:35,560
are King layman soldiers.
And Jan was like, OK, they

1083
01:05:35,560 --> 01:05:37,160
shouldn't be this far up the
mountain.

1084
01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:40,880
And someone else calls for him
and says, hey, we found her.

1085
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:45,040
And when he comes around, he
sees that it's Rand's mother,

1086
01:05:45,040 --> 01:05:46,840
who I don't think we ever
learned her name.

1087
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:48,280
We just know she's Rand's
mother.

1088
01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:51,040
But he sees her and he kind of
bends down.

1089
01:05:51,040 --> 01:05:52,640
At this point, she's already
dead.

1090
01:05:53,160 --> 01:05:55,080
And he's, you know, just talking
to her.

1091
01:05:55,080 --> 01:05:57,400
And he was like, hey, everything
is going to be OK.

1092
01:05:57,400 --> 01:05:58,920
He was like, we found the oath
breaker.

1093
01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:01,200
We found the king.
And I, I was the one that put my

1094
01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:04,680
spirit through him and.
Hold on, hold on.

1095
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:07,680
I have one nitpick 1 nitpick.
OK?

1096
01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:13,280
He doesn't have his veil on.
The IO do not kill unless their

1097
01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:14,840
veil is up.
They don't.

1098
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:17,320
They he wasn't killing at that
.0 you talking about when

1099
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:21,080
they're doing the fighting.
He never, he never pulled it up.

1100
01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:23,200
And that that is, that is a
don't tell.

1101
01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:26,160
OK.
But just wanted to say that that

1102
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:27,520
I did.
I didn't know, they said.

1103
01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:30,360
And I had a problem with it
because we knew who he was.

1104
01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:34,080
He could have put the veil up
and started fighting but I guess

1105
01:06:34,080 --> 01:06:35,720
they forgot and.
Or.

1106
01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:38,680
They could have been.
I was going to say, or they

1107
01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:40,560
could have been doing that from
Rand's point of view.

1108
01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:44,400
Rand does not necessarily like
he may know that they put their

1109
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:48,680
veil up, but he you know, this
being him stepping into someone

1110
01:06:48,680 --> 01:06:51,720
else's shoes.
The ego giving them too much

1111
01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:53,080
credit again.
I'm just.

1112
01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:56,360
OK, I just wanted to point that
out for the, for the book

1113
01:06:56,360 --> 01:06:59,520
readers who listen to the show.
I, I did notice that and I do

1114
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:01,480
have a problem with you, but we
can move on.

1115
01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:07,200
So he finds his wife and no baby
then.

1116
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:10,440
He's.
Visibly, visibly upset.

1117
01:07:11,560 --> 01:07:14,280
Right.
And then that's when he yells,

1118
01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:16,440
right?
And then we see him kind of

1119
01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:19,480
revert back to Rand and Rand is
yelling and then he stops and he

1120
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:21,400
looks and his hands are full of
blood.

1121
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:24,760
He was like my mother and my
father.

1122
01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:28,960
And again, I think this is the
first realization that Rand had

1123
01:07:29,880 --> 01:07:32,880
that his father was anyone other
than Tam Outdoor.

1124
01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:37,200
But of course, he can't sit
there and and take that in

1125
01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:39,720
because you still have to go
through this trial.

1126
01:07:39,720 --> 01:07:43,440
You have to go through this,
these columns.

1127
01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:47,480
Oh, and the other thing we
forgot to mention, Savannah had

1128
01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:52,600
mentioned that her new husband
had already gone through Ruidian

1129
01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:56,440
and she was like, he went into
Ruidian and he is there still.

1130
01:07:56,760 --> 01:08:01,040
Rand actually sees him when he
steps into Ruidian.

1131
01:08:01,040 --> 01:08:05,160
So her husband hadn't gotten
very far, depending on how long

1132
01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:07,760
it had been since they, you
know, since he had gone through,

1133
01:08:08,520 --> 01:08:12,480
he hadn't gotten very far.
But the second one that ran

1134
01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:19,520
comes through as it's another IO
warrior, someone named Mandian.

1135
01:08:20,279 --> 01:08:23,640
And this was before Ruidian was
covered in fog.

1136
01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:27,359
As a matter of fact, Ruidian
gets covered in fog while he's

1137
01:08:27,359 --> 01:08:31,040
standing on the outskirts of it
talking to his wife.

1138
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:35,680
And they mentioned the name
Latrice Sadai, said Latrice

1139
01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:37,800
Sadai has called you and the
other leaders.

1140
01:08:38,160 --> 01:08:42,439
And you know, she's basically
making, I don't know if I want

1141
01:08:42,439 --> 01:08:46,960
to call it a, a demand, but
she's saying you and the leaders

1142
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:50,200
who come, you have to come and
you have to follow every

1143
01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:54,160
instruction I give.
And basically when they get

1144
01:08:54,160 --> 01:08:56,880
inside there she is there.
She's the older, later, oldest

1145
01:08:56,880 --> 01:08:59,800
eyes to die.
And she's pulling something out

1146
01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:04,120
of the middle of the tree.
Evan the Sora and it's a white

1147
01:09:04,120 --> 01:09:06,720
sphere.
And I'm, you know, even before

1148
01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:08,160
we knew what it was, I was
guessing.

1149
01:09:08,160 --> 01:09:12,160
OK, that must be the sangria
that has been mentioned before,

1150
01:09:12,319 --> 01:09:18,720
the one that only women can use.
So Latrice and I is speaking to

1151
01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:23,680
the people who have shown up.
It was man, Mandian and a few

1152
01:09:23,680 --> 01:09:29,040
other people and the chiefs.
The Chiefs and one of the things

1153
01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:32,520
that she said to them, she said
the last people who are truly I

1154
01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:36,720
ill are all dead.
I was like, what does that mean,

1155
01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:39,160
'cause they're I ill as well,
right?

1156
01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:44,520
But I think that gets explained
a little bit later on in advance

1157
01:09:44,520 --> 01:09:46,319
visions.
But that was kind of confusing

1158
01:09:46,319 --> 01:09:50,399
to me at first.
And so she asked them a

1159
01:09:50,399 --> 01:09:52,800
question.
She said you are, you are I ill.

1160
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:57,480
Do you know why you don't carry
swords and Mandy and says

1161
01:09:57,640 --> 01:09:59,800
because it is forbidden.
She was like, yeah, but do you

1162
01:09:59,800 --> 01:10:02,080
know why it is forbidden?
She said there's much you know,

1163
01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:07,600
but there's much you don't know.
And she's basically telling them

1164
01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:14,240
that whoever goes through I, I
guess at that time, it was a

1165
01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:17,040
trial.
Who, Whoever, Whoever want,

1166
01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:18,560
Whoever is going to lead?
Whoever.

1167
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:22,320
Is going.
To lead, the wise ones must come

1168
01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:25,320
true with you.
Yeah, and this is I'm, I'm

1169
01:10:25,320 --> 01:10:29,440
assuming this is the first trial
of ruined in what, what they're

1170
01:10:29,440 --> 01:10:32,920
showing us right here.
And because one of the other

1171
01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:38,280
guys says I'll leave.
And she was like, no, you have

1172
01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:43,080
to go through and walk, you
know, retrace the footsteps of

1173
01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:47,240
your ancestors to see why we
call you oath Breakers.

1174
01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:50,320
And it's so funny because when
she said Oath Breakers, they all

1175
01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:53,200
turned and looked at her like,
no, the hell you didn't.

1176
01:10:53,200 --> 01:10:58,040
I was like, oh, so calling IE
oath Breakers is kind of the

1177
01:10:58,040 --> 01:11:00,680
equivalent of calling the other
people dark friends.

1178
01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:02,240
Like they don't like that at
all.

1179
01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:04,920
And she's like, yeah, well, you
need to understand why we call

1180
01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:07,440
you Oath Breakers.
And so Mandy, and is the one he

1181
01:11:07,440 --> 01:11:10,080
was like, I'll go through
because I'm not afraid of my

1182
01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:12,360
past.
I know that we're we're not oath

1183
01:11:12,360 --> 01:11:14,640
Breakers.
Yeah, but, but, but before that,

1184
01:11:15,160 --> 01:11:18,760
you know, she was like, because
11 of you that comes out will be

1185
01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:20,320
the Chief of chiefs.
He's like, well, I'll do it.

1186
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:21,800
She was like, no, no, no, no,
no.

1187
01:11:22,120 --> 01:11:23,760
That person's going to come
later.

1188
01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:27,240
Yeah, the person who's going to
lead all IEO.

1189
01:11:27,240 --> 01:11:31,320
Later, Yeah, he's he's going to
be of the blood, but not raised

1190
01:11:31,320 --> 01:11:33,840
by the blood.
Yep.

1191
01:11:34,360 --> 01:11:37,800
But she also tells them she was
like, yeah, the one who's going

1192
01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:41,760
to lead the OR the be the Chiefs
and the Wise ones are the ones

1193
01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:44,520
who going to go through these
trials and they're going to see

1194
01:11:45,440 --> 01:11:48,640
what they need to see.
As far as why we call you Oath

1195
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:53,760
Breakers, learn about your
ancestors and and their past and

1196
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:58,720
you have to accept what you see.
Yeah, because those who cannot

1197
01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:03,480
accept it, yeah.
Those who can't learn won't

1198
01:12:03,480 --> 01:12:05,400
lead.
And that you know, that's.

1199
01:12:05,400 --> 01:12:08,760
Basically, won't live.
Did she say live or leave?

1200
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:10,720
She said live.
Oh, OK.

1201
01:12:10,960 --> 01:12:12,720
Those who cannot learn won't
live.

1202
01:12:12,840 --> 01:12:18,000
Oh, OK, OK, yes, OK.
So so Mandy and gets ready to go

1203
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:22,040
through the columns and then,
you know, we come back to Rand

1204
01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:26,160
and then we see him go into
another version of himself.

1205
01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:29,800
And again, it's so strange to me
that we've seen all of these

1206
01:12:29,800 --> 01:12:33,000
different versions of himself
because some of them look

1207
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:38,360
nothing like him and then some
of them look like him, which is

1208
01:12:38,360 --> 01:12:44,240
this third one, Lewin, which is
a member of the what we now know

1209
01:12:44,240 --> 01:12:47,680
as the Tuathuan.
But we learn in this particular

1210
01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:53,920
vision, the Tuathuan and the IEO
were the same at one point.

1211
01:12:55,520 --> 01:13:00,240
And Lewin is this teenage guy.
He's there with his two friends

1212
01:13:00,240 --> 01:13:03,880
who reminded me of Matt and
Perrin, probably on purpose.

1213
01:13:04,920 --> 01:13:10,160
But you know, he talks about
he's he's literally sitting

1214
01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:15,400
there caressing a sapling of
Avandasaura, and it has the the

1215
01:13:15,640 --> 01:13:18,280
Angriol in the middle of it.
And he's talking about how

1216
01:13:18,280 --> 01:13:20,840
important it is.
And he's like, you know, old man

1217
01:13:20,840 --> 01:13:23,400
Adan is talking about we're
going to build the city in the

1218
01:13:23,400 --> 01:13:25,880
desert, and that's where we're
going to plant the tree and

1219
01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:27,680
blah, blah, blah.
And, you know, his friends are

1220
01:13:27,680 --> 01:13:30,800
teasing him.
And then he sees his mother, who

1221
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:33,480
looks distressed, and she tells
him, yeah, your sister was

1222
01:13:33,480 --> 01:13:36,480
abducted by some bandits.
They were taken.

1223
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:43,120
And also the other guy, Elijah,
his his sister, I guess, was

1224
01:13:43,160 --> 01:13:45,520
also.
Yeah.

1225
01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:49,440
And so they're questioning them
like, So what are we going to

1226
01:13:49,440 --> 01:13:50,880
do?
Can't we go get them back?

1227
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:53,960
And then old man Adan comes over
and he was like, no, stop

1228
01:13:53,960 --> 01:13:56,520
talking like that.
And they're like, well, what are

1229
01:13:56,520 --> 01:13:58,760
we going to do?
And he says, we bury our dead

1230
01:13:58,760 --> 01:14:01,040
and we move on.
And I was just like, oh, here we

1231
01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:04,360
go with this bullshit again.
Here we go with this.

1232
01:14:05,320 --> 01:14:11,240
So he, he kind of sends the the
teens away and they walk away

1233
01:14:11,720 --> 01:14:14,200
and Elijah's like they're still
alive.

1234
01:14:14,200 --> 01:14:15,920
They didn't say they, they
killed them.

1235
01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:18,400
They said they took them.
That means they're still alive.

1236
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:21,680
We got to go get them.
We can't just leave them there

1237
01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:23,440
with, you know, with the
bandits.

1238
01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:30,160
So they make a plan to go and
rescue the 2 girls and this shit

1239
01:14:30,160 --> 01:14:35,560
goes so bad so quickly.
Completely sideways.

1240
01:14:36,120 --> 01:14:39,640
Completely sideways, because
first of all, you go in and you

1241
01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:41,880
sneak in.
You find out where the girls are

1242
01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:45,240
sleeping.
You go over to wake the girls up

1243
01:14:45,240 --> 01:14:48,040
so you can take them.
First of all, you're whispering

1244
01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:51,240
way too loud.
You could have just kind of

1245
01:14:51,480 --> 01:14:57,800
nudged her and been like.
Then she responds a little bit

1246
01:14:57,800 --> 01:15:00,720
loudly, like, no, you can't be
here.

1247
01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:04,880
So one of the bandits wakes up,
gets ready to come start

1248
01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:07,960
attacking, and then like all
hell breaks out.

1249
01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:11,040
Elijah starts fighting one of
them.

1250
01:15:11,120 --> 01:15:13,520
Charlene starts fighting one of
them.

1251
01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:16,040
One of the bandits comes towards
Lewin.

1252
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:20,000
He gets ready to fight them, and
his sister's Stanley telling him

1253
01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:21,680
no, you can't do this, don't do
this.

1254
01:15:21,680 --> 01:15:23,200
Lewin, stop.
Lewin, stop.

1255
01:15:23,200 --> 01:15:27,080
He's gonna rescue you.
Lewin, stop.

1256
01:15:27,080 --> 01:15:29,720
Lewin, stop.
This guy comes after him and

1257
01:15:29,720 --> 01:15:34,160
Lewin sees the spear.
He swipes it up across this

1258
01:15:34,160 --> 01:15:36,760
man's face and I did not catch
this till the third time I

1259
01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:41,280
watched it.
He took the whole face off.

1260
01:15:42,160 --> 01:15:50,520
I was like what the hell?
Yeah, I was like, oh, shit face.

1261
01:15:51,080 --> 01:15:54,720
Off man, I didn't.
I don't know how I missed it the

1262
01:15:54,720 --> 01:15:57,240
first two times, but it's like
the second time I watched I was

1263
01:15:57,240 --> 01:16:00,560
like, wait, something weird just
happened and it just kind of

1264
01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:02,920
went so fast that I didn't pay
attention to it.

1265
01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:06,600
The third time I actually paused
it right when he hit the ground.

1266
01:16:06,600 --> 01:16:10,000
I was like, oh, he looks like
the Crypt keeper.

1267
01:16:13,160 --> 01:16:17,440
That's the crypt keeper.
Yeah, the grip keeper, he looked

1268
01:16:17,440 --> 01:16:19,640
just like him with the face,
with the face off.

1269
01:16:19,880 --> 01:16:22,840
And then, you know, the faces
down there on the ground, just

1270
01:16:22,840 --> 01:16:27,680
kind of loose skin or whatever.
But in the midst of all this,

1271
01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:31,200
they realized that Charlie has
been stabbed and he dies right

1272
01:16:31,200 --> 01:16:33,920
there.
So they take Charlie.

1273
01:16:35,400 --> 01:16:39,600
I'm saying my dog, you know what
do my past dog like that, like

1274
01:16:39,680 --> 01:16:40,640
this?
This stuff.

1275
01:16:42,040 --> 01:16:45,360
Terrible man.
Any little parent was descended

1276
01:16:45,360 --> 01:16:50,440
from that you messed up.
It kind of remind me of enough

1277
01:16:50,440 --> 01:16:54,200
for real for real but.
You know, 'cause though, 'cause

1278
01:16:54,200 --> 01:16:57,560
the wheel wheels, like obviously
there's a symmetry in the wheel

1279
01:16:57,840 --> 01:17:02,640
where there's like some people
that who for whoever is here,

1280
01:17:02,920 --> 01:17:05,960
there's their ancestors.
Like, you know, I mean, this is

1281
01:17:06,480 --> 01:17:10,400
because I think didn't they say
like either in the first or

1282
01:17:10,400 --> 01:17:13,040
second episode, there's
something about the wheel

1283
01:17:13,040 --> 01:17:16,400
turning and like, especially
with the Dragon Reborn, like it,

1284
01:17:16,520 --> 01:17:20,560
it replays it like the way the
dragon War Dragon is replays

1285
01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:24,240
itself like over and over again.
That's kind of why Ishmael

1286
01:17:24,240 --> 01:17:25,080
wanted to.
He wants.

1287
01:17:25,200 --> 01:17:28,600
To destroy the wheel.
Destroy it because he's tired of

1288
01:17:28,720 --> 01:17:30,720
doing the same thing over and
over and over again.

1289
01:17:30,960 --> 01:17:33,160
Yeah, so, so of course Rand's
going to have.

1290
01:17:33,480 --> 01:17:36,840
Rand's going to have his Matt,
Matt and parent in each of each

1291
01:17:36,840 --> 01:17:40,560
of his iterations, even though
like, you know, this mat is like

1292
01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:44,000
high as a fucking kite, like
leaning against a tree after he

1293
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:49,600
smoked trees is like bro, like,
but I mean, yeah, so it's like,

1294
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:51,840
that's so this like actually
made sense to me 'cause that's

1295
01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:55,000
actually, it finally clicked on,
clicked in my head when I was

1296
01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:56,600
thinking about, I was like, oh,
that's right.

1297
01:17:56,600 --> 01:17:59,240
Because everything is going,
they're going to have Simpson

1298
01:17:59,240 --> 01:18:03,360
symmetry in each iteration.
So I was like, alright, cool.

1299
01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:10,040
Well, even though you you're
kind of right, but like these

1300
01:18:10,040 --> 01:18:14,720
aren't versions of Rand.
These are his ancestors.

1301
01:18:15,360 --> 01:18:20,200
So it's more like maybe more
like the symmetry that you

1302
01:18:20,200 --> 01:18:24,720
talked about, just the symmetry
that one of his ancestors like

1303
01:18:24,720 --> 01:18:27,720
him had friends like the friends
that he had.

1304
01:18:27,720 --> 01:18:30,400
OK.
So not necessarily their

1305
01:18:30,400 --> 01:18:34,760
ancestors or not necessarily
their their reincarnations, but

1306
01:18:34,760 --> 01:18:38,320
just that it's similar.
Yeah, because the wheel likes

1307
01:18:38,320 --> 01:18:40,560
that symmetry.
Yeah, right.

1308
01:18:41,120 --> 01:18:42,600
Yeah.
OK, I'm tracking.

1309
01:18:43,120 --> 01:18:46,840
Yeah, but yeah.
So they end up bringing

1310
01:18:46,840 --> 01:18:53,480
Charlene's body back to the
caravan and Lewin's grandfather

1311
01:18:53,760 --> 01:18:57,200
looks and of course they noticed
that the 2 girls are with them

1312
01:18:57,200 --> 01:18:58,920
and he comes over.
He was like what happened?

1313
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:05,520
And Lewin's sister immediately
says he killed them.

1314
01:19:06,080 --> 01:19:09,040
The man who hurt us, he killed
them.

1315
01:19:10,080 --> 01:19:15,240
And it was so like I understand
Anthony and I talked about this

1316
01:19:15,240 --> 01:19:18,720
in the last episode.
I understand the way of the

1317
01:19:18,720 --> 01:19:20,200
leaf.
I understand.

1318
01:19:22,200 --> 01:19:25,520
I understand what their their
little mindset is, whatever.

1319
01:19:26,360 --> 01:19:30,200
But when you see these two girls
that you had written off,

1320
01:19:30,240 --> 01:19:36,120
literally written off for dead,
brought back safely, Yeah, they

1321
01:19:36,120 --> 01:19:39,840
got a few bangs, a few bruises
and no telling what kind of

1322
01:19:40,280 --> 01:19:44,160
behavior they were subjected to.
But they are back and they are

1323
01:19:44,160 --> 01:19:47,000
whole.
And the only thing you can think

1324
01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:51,760
of is that Lewin killed in
self-defense to the point where

1325
01:19:52,040 --> 01:19:56,120
you banish him.
You tell him he's no longer I

1326
01:19:56,120 --> 01:20:00,320
ill, you kick him out and then
your mother.

1327
01:20:00,680 --> 01:20:03,720
Looks at you and says turn away
from me stranger.

1328
01:20:03,720 --> 01:20:06,560
My son used to look like that
and I don't want to see his face

1329
01:20:06,560 --> 01:20:09,360
on a murder.
Like, that was heartbreaking.

1330
01:20:10,240 --> 01:20:14,040
It was heartbreaking, but it
also pissed me off by you're

1331
01:20:14,040 --> 01:20:17,440
sitting there hugging your
daughter because somebody went

1332
01:20:17,440 --> 01:20:19,680
to go get him.
And granted, yes, it didn't go

1333
01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:25,040
the way things should have gone
because Lou and even when they

1334
01:20:25,040 --> 01:20:28,560
were talking about going to get
the girls, he said we'll just go

1335
01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:30,600
and get them and come back.
No violence.

1336
01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:34,120
He didn't go there with the
intent of killing someone, but

1337
01:20:34,120 --> 01:20:36,880
at the same time it's like this
person was going to kill him.

1338
01:20:37,960 --> 01:20:40,800
I think natural instinct is to
defend yourself.

1339
01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:43,520
I don't know too many people who
are just going to sit there.

1340
01:20:43,960 --> 01:20:47,400
Like I think it's harder to sit
there and not do anything, which

1341
01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:50,280
I can understand that.
That takes a feet of strength

1342
01:20:50,280 --> 01:20:55,160
that some people don't have and
and I can come forward, but it

1343
01:20:55,160 --> 01:20:57,600
ain't me.
But if you follow the way of the

1344
01:20:57,600 --> 01:21:00,120
leaf, you can't even defend
yourself.

1345
01:21:00,120 --> 01:21:04,960
I know so, but I miss you.
Did did y'all talk about how

1346
01:21:04,960 --> 01:21:08,840
heartbreaking it was his mom was
like I don't even want to see

1347
01:21:08,840 --> 01:21:11,920
your face.
Like who is this?

1348
01:21:11,920 --> 01:21:13,320
Who are you that calls me
mother?

1349
01:21:13,320 --> 01:21:18,360
I'm like.
Right turn away from me, is it?

1350
01:21:18,400 --> 01:21:23,440
Hides a face.
Because because my son had a

1351
01:21:23,440 --> 01:21:25,720
face like that and I don't want
to see it on a killer.

1352
01:21:26,240 --> 01:21:26,760
Right.
Yeah.

1353
01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:29,840
Like.
Yeah, but if you, if you are, if

1354
01:21:29,840 --> 01:21:33,520
you are, if you follow the way
of a leaf, you can't even defend

1355
01:21:33,520 --> 01:21:35,160
yourself.
You have to sit there.

1356
01:21:35,800 --> 01:21:43,040
It was like when when at the end
of them found the lost ones with

1357
01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:46,640
the 12th of one or the tinkers
in there, she was like, yeah,

1358
01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:48,600
some of them didn't even like
defended themselves.

1359
01:21:48,600 --> 01:21:51,760
No, they didn't, because they
followed the way of the leaf.

1360
01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:55,120
Right.
Yeah, yeah, that was very

1361
01:21:55,120 --> 01:21:58,320
heartbreaking.
And then you know him and Elijah

1362
01:21:58,320 --> 01:22:00,240
is like, So what are we going to
do?

1363
01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:04,680
And then Lewin just looks and he
says we'll protect them since

1364
01:22:04,680 --> 01:22:07,480
they can't protect themselves,
they can't kill, but we can.

1365
01:22:07,920 --> 01:22:10,280
And they put up their their wind
guards.

1366
01:22:10,280 --> 01:22:14,040
And I guess that's where that
comes from as far as the IEO.

1367
01:22:14,040 --> 01:22:17,440
But it's so again, it's so
strange because at this point we

1368
01:22:17,440 --> 01:22:20,680
learned that the IE on the tuath
one are one in the same.

1369
01:22:21,160 --> 01:22:23,840
So then you start to wonder,
like where did the divide come

1370
01:22:23,840 --> 01:22:25,320
from?
There was a divide.

1371
01:22:25,560 --> 01:22:28,400
Yeah, and and that's what I was
going to say and that's where

1372
01:22:28,400 --> 01:22:33,080
you kind of learn.
But and I don't know at what

1373
01:22:33,080 --> 01:22:36,400
point the Tuath one stopped
calling themselves IEO.

1374
01:22:36,400 --> 01:22:40,120
Maybe it was because as they
were wandering and as they were

1375
01:22:40,120 --> 01:22:43,040
picking up other people, maybe
it just got to the point where

1376
01:22:43,040 --> 01:22:46,320
because they're, you know,
they're reproducing or creating

1377
01:22:46,320 --> 01:22:48,360
families with people who are
part of the caravan.

1378
01:22:48,360 --> 01:22:51,880
Maybe enough of that kind of,
you know, the IO blood just

1379
01:22:51,880 --> 01:22:54,200
kind.
Of I think they probably

1380
01:22:54,240 --> 01:22:57,080
intentionally stopped calling
themselves IO.

1381
01:22:58,840 --> 01:23:00,400
OK.
Because they couldn't.

1382
01:23:03,200 --> 01:23:08,600
We, I mean, we're, we're going
to learn that they are all oath

1383
01:23:08,600 --> 01:23:11,840
Breakers, you know, even the
12:00 and 1:00.

1384
01:23:11,840 --> 01:23:15,000
So yeah, it would be terrible
for themselves to call

1385
01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:17,960
themselves I I'll even if they
still follow the Way of the

1386
01:23:17,960 --> 01:23:19,640
Leaf.
They broke their oath.

1387
01:23:20,480 --> 01:23:23,880
OK, yeah, even though they
kicked out the one who did it.

1388
01:23:23,880 --> 01:23:27,840
But yeah, I I get you.
But at this point, we take a

1389
01:23:27,840 --> 01:23:31,840
break from Rand's visions and we
go towards Moraine.

1390
01:23:32,640 --> 01:23:35,640
So Moraine.
And she's going through Ruidian.

1391
01:23:35,640 --> 01:23:41,840
She finds she finds the sangria
hidden in the tree and she she

1392
01:23:41,840 --> 01:23:45,040
takes it out, she puts it in her
pocket and then she happens to

1393
01:23:45,040 --> 01:23:49,400
see the rings and sees that
Avienda isn't 1 of the rings

1394
01:23:49,400 --> 01:23:52,640
going through whatever, I don't
know, whatever the rings are

1395
01:23:52,640 --> 01:23:56,040
showing her.
So then Meringue steps into the

1396
01:23:56,040 --> 01:23:59,040
rings and then we start to see
her visions.

1397
01:23:59,280 --> 01:24:03,520
Now her visions come very
quickly.

1398
01:24:03,520 --> 01:24:07,120
They don't come with as much
depth as Rans does, but I think

1399
01:24:07,120 --> 01:24:12,240
because hers are probably a bit
more self-explanatory, like the

1400
01:24:12,240 --> 01:24:16,600
first one we see is hers a fish
wife and she, you know, she's

1401
01:24:16,600 --> 01:24:18,760
sitting there, she's mending
Nets and she looks at the door

1402
01:24:18,760 --> 01:24:20,160
and she's like what's wrong
love?

1403
01:24:20,160 --> 01:24:23,840
And you see a shadow of what
looks like salon in the door.

1404
01:24:24,840 --> 01:24:29,600
And then the next vision is of
her as the Amarlen and it Gwaine

1405
01:24:29,600 --> 01:24:33,160
as the keeper.
Rand is there in the White Tower

1406
01:24:33,160 --> 01:24:35,880
and he's begging Moraine not to
do it.

1407
01:24:35,880 --> 01:24:37,800
He was like, no, don't do it,
don't do it.

1408
01:24:38,240 --> 01:24:41,600
You have to help and we see
Moraine kill him.

1409
01:24:41,600 --> 01:24:46,120
I was like OK so Ram must be
fully the dragon reborn at this

1410
01:24:46,120 --> 01:24:49,480
point.
Then the third one we see is

1411
01:24:49,480 --> 01:24:54,240
Moraine releasing land from
there I said I water bond and

1412
01:24:54,240 --> 01:24:59,200
then in the 4th 1 we see Moraine
bonding with Rand asking him if

1413
01:24:59,200 --> 01:25:01,360
he accept the bond and he says
yes.

1414
01:25:01,880 --> 01:25:07,080
The fifth one we see is land on
fire running towards Moraine in

1415
01:25:07,080 --> 01:25:12,880
the tower and she douses him and
then you know throws a bolt of

1416
01:25:12,880 --> 01:25:16,840
the one power over to the side
to I guess whoever set him on

1417
01:25:16,840 --> 01:25:19,080
fire.
And from what I could tell, it

1418
01:25:19,080 --> 01:25:24,840
looked like it may be land fear.
OK, because I couldn't really

1419
01:25:24,840 --> 01:25:28,200
tell because the way More Rain's
visions are going, they're kind

1420
01:25:28,200 --> 01:25:30,600
of going like they're going on
an axis.

1421
01:25:30,600 --> 01:25:35,240
So you see some of it right side
up and then it goes upside down.

1422
01:25:35,240 --> 01:25:38,160
And then the next vision starts
upside down and it goes right

1423
01:25:38,160 --> 01:25:41,600
side up.
So when this vision happened, it

1424
01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:45,360
started turning upside down so I
could see the feet and I could

1425
01:25:45,360 --> 01:25:47,880
see a little bit of the shadow
of the top of the purse.

1426
01:25:47,880 --> 01:25:51,000
But every time I went to go
pause it, the shield came up so

1427
01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:52,440
you couldn't see the person's
face.

1428
01:25:52,720 --> 01:25:54,320
And I was like, that must be
laugh here.

1429
01:25:54,400 --> 01:25:57,880
That's why.
X-ray says it's it's rant,

1430
01:25:59,600 --> 01:26:01,360
which, oh.
Really.

1431
01:26:01,800 --> 01:26:05,720
Yeah, but it doesn't look like a
man, but it could be.

1432
01:26:06,320 --> 01:26:10,480
OK, and then the 6th 1 is
Moraine?

1433
01:26:10,480 --> 01:26:14,120
Asked Amalin, holding Rand.
And he's in the desert.

1434
01:26:14,120 --> 01:26:15,960
He's been stabbed by a sword and
he dies.

1435
01:26:15,960 --> 01:26:20,040
And she, you know, she screams.
The next one is Moraine killing

1436
01:26:20,040 --> 01:26:23,920
Ran in the same desert as land
is looking on.

1437
01:26:24,240 --> 01:26:28,040
And then the last one, I think
that's the last one, Yeah.

1438
01:26:28,040 --> 01:26:31,360
The last one in this segment is
Moraine.

1439
01:26:31,360 --> 01:26:35,360
It looks like she's in the Two
Rivers and she is pledging

1440
01:26:35,360 --> 01:26:37,520
herself to serve the Dragon
Reborn.

1441
01:26:38,160 --> 01:26:41,320
So all of these, if you think
about it, they're all kind of

1442
01:26:43,920 --> 01:26:45,960
they're all kind of one shots.
They're all kind of

1443
01:26:45,960 --> 01:26:49,160
self-explanatory.
And I know that there's probably

1444
01:26:49,160 --> 01:26:54,120
more context to them.
But again, the the wise ones

1445
01:26:54,120 --> 01:26:58,320
told her she was going to see
probably 1000 variations of her

1446
01:26:58,320 --> 01:27:03,640
life and these are all, you
know, different variations.

1447
01:27:03,640 --> 01:27:07,160
And I was just like, OK, it
doesn't seem that bad.

1448
01:27:07,160 --> 01:27:13,600
It's basically saying, OK, Rand
is either good as the Dragon

1449
01:27:13,600 --> 01:27:16,800
Reborn, because I would assume
that's when she's kind of like

1450
01:27:16,800 --> 01:27:21,280
with him when she's doing the
water bond, or he's going to go

1451
01:27:21,280 --> 01:27:23,640
bad as the Dragon Reborn.
And those are the visions where

1452
01:27:23,640 --> 01:27:27,000
we saw her killing him.
So I was like, OK, that's pretty

1453
01:27:27,000 --> 01:27:29,720
cut and dry maybe.
Or or there's a there's a third

1454
01:27:29,720 --> 01:27:32,640
one.
The third one is she.

1455
01:27:33,240 --> 01:27:36,680
He is a Dragon Reborn.
He hasn't gone mad and she kills

1456
01:27:36,680 --> 01:27:42,240
him anyway.
It's the Wheel of It's the Wheel

1457
01:27:42,240 --> 01:27:45,440
of Time, Multiverse of Madness.
Yeah, because there's the one

1458
01:27:45,440 --> 01:27:47,240
version where he's in the tower
on his knees.

1459
01:27:47,240 --> 01:27:48,400
Ask her.
Don't do this.

1460
01:27:48,680 --> 01:27:50,720
That doesn't.
That doesn't sound like Koreans

1461
01:27:50,720 --> 01:27:53,400
who's gone mad.
No.

1462
01:27:53,400 --> 01:27:57,680
But you know what I noticed in
certain in certain ones, like

1463
01:27:57,680 --> 01:28:03,280
the ones where she's killing
him, he's always in red and then

1464
01:28:03,280 --> 01:28:07,880
the other ones he's in like a
black type of outfit or he's in

1465
01:28:07,880 --> 01:28:10,840
a different color outfit.
I know I'm not, I'm not trying

1466
01:28:10,840 --> 01:28:13,640
to picnics, I'm just saying
there's always other

1467
01:28:13,640 --> 01:28:15,040
possibilities.
You say you're not trying to

1468
01:28:15,040 --> 01:28:19,880
picnics.
I'm not trying to picnics, but

1469
01:28:19,880 --> 01:28:22,720
yeah, I mean, there are probably
somewhere he has gone mad and

1470
01:28:22,720 --> 01:28:24,080
there's probably somewhere he
hasn't.

1471
01:28:24,080 --> 01:28:27,280
And there may just be somewhere
she's just an asshole.

1472
01:28:27,800 --> 01:28:30,880
And she's like, well, if I can't
cage you, I'm going to kill you.

1473
01:28:31,520 --> 01:28:33,120
Let's see that.
I guess that's the thing that

1474
01:28:33,120 --> 01:28:38,440
kind of would confuse me,
because I don't think nothing

1475
01:28:38,440 --> 01:28:42,680
that I've seen of Moraine up to
this point has shown me that she

1476
01:28:42,680 --> 01:28:48,840
ever wanted to cage rent.
Like her whole purpose is to see

1477
01:28:48,840 --> 01:28:51,000
him succeed as the Dragon
Reborn.

1478
01:28:51,640 --> 01:28:56,960
Right, but but we also saw where
Swan has arm on the seat.

1479
01:28:56,960 --> 01:28:59,840
Let it get to her head and
wanted to cage him.

1480
01:28:59,840 --> 01:29:03,880
Oh, well, OK, yeah.
So if Lorraine becomes OK, I I

1481
01:29:03,880 --> 01:29:05,400
get you.
Yeah.

1482
01:29:05,760 --> 01:29:08,960
If Moraine is is ambulant, then
that power might go to her head

1483
01:29:08,960 --> 01:29:10,520
and she might start thinking the
same thing.

1484
01:29:10,520 --> 01:29:13,160
OK.
Remember, these are showing her

1485
01:29:13,160 --> 01:29:17,640
all the possibilities.
So there are possibilities

1486
01:29:17,640 --> 01:29:21,120
where, yeah, she could have been
like Naive and and the others

1487
01:29:21,120 --> 01:29:22,800
and had to kill him because he
was gone.

1488
01:29:22,800 --> 01:29:26,160
He had gone crazy.
There could have been somewhere

1489
01:29:26,160 --> 01:29:29,960
she was like, she could have
been a Red who became out of the

1490
01:29:29,960 --> 01:29:31,720
seat.
You know what I'm saying?

1491
01:29:31,720 --> 01:29:35,760
Like you, you don't know.
It's hard to tell.

1492
01:29:35,760 --> 01:29:38,560
Like you said, there's not a lot
of context for her, right?

1493
01:29:38,840 --> 01:29:42,560
But she's only seeing results of
her actions.

1494
01:29:42,720 --> 01:29:47,440
OK, OK, we'll come back to hers
because the rest of her visions

1495
01:29:47,440 --> 01:29:50,160
are.
So at this point in the show, it

1496
01:29:50,160 --> 01:29:53,640
goes back to Rand.
So we see a few more of Rand's

1497
01:29:54,800 --> 01:29:59,040
recollections or memories.
The first one is him as Joni,

1498
01:29:59,120 --> 01:30:01,920
which is old Aiden's
grandfather.

1499
01:30:02,480 --> 01:30:07,840
Aiden is the the one who kicked
Lewin out of the IEO in the

1500
01:30:07,840 --> 01:30:10,600
previous vision.
So now we're looking back to

1501
01:30:10,720 --> 01:30:15,920
Aiden's childhood and Rand is
seeing things as Joni, his

1502
01:30:15,920 --> 01:30:19,120
grandfather.
The caravan has been attacked.

1503
01:30:19,120 --> 01:30:22,440
And then there are members of
the caravan who say, you know,

1504
01:30:22,440 --> 01:30:25,160
we've had enough of this, we're
going to go South.

1505
01:30:26,040 --> 01:30:28,880
They try to convince Adan to
come with them, and he's like,

1506
01:30:28,880 --> 01:30:32,360
no, I'm staying with my
grandfather because his parents

1507
01:30:32,360 --> 01:30:34,680
were both killed in that
particular attack.

1508
01:30:35,040 --> 01:30:38,120
Now question because I had,
again, I have not looked at a

1509
01:30:38,120 --> 01:30:43,680
map yet in terms of where things
are, what is South, what is

1510
01:30:43,680 --> 01:30:47,000
east, because they mentioned
those two areas specifically.

1511
01:30:47,000 --> 01:30:49,520
The members, when they say that
they're leaving the caravan,

1512
01:30:49,520 --> 01:30:50,920
they said they're going to go
South.

1513
01:30:51,400 --> 01:30:55,040
And then when Adon is asking
John I about what they're going

1514
01:30:55,040 --> 01:30:57,360
to do, he said, well, your
mother had visions about us

1515
01:30:57,360 --> 01:31:01,080
building a city in the desert, a
place where all I yield can be

1516
01:31:01,080 --> 01:31:03,640
safe.
And Adon says, where is it?

1517
01:31:03,640 --> 01:31:08,600
He said it's to the east, the.
The Spine The other side of the

1518
01:31:08,600 --> 01:31:11,280
spine is the desert.
OK.

1519
01:31:11,840 --> 01:31:15,280
So that's East.
OK, OK.

1520
01:31:15,600 --> 01:31:21,120
And South would be, you know,
the furthest SI think is

1521
01:31:21,120 --> 01:31:24,480
Manetharin. 02 rivers, OK.
Right.

1522
01:31:24,600 --> 01:31:26,320
And when you go, yeah, I'm
sorry, Two Rivers.

1523
01:31:26,320 --> 01:31:30,040
And when you go West, that's
when you get to like, fall.

1524
01:31:31,160 --> 01:31:33,880
Oh OK, so the IO waste is on the
east?

1525
01:31:34,080 --> 01:31:36,160
The IO waste is to the east OK.
OK.

1526
01:31:36,480 --> 01:31:40,600
It's Karian, and then there's
yeah, it's like, I think if I

1527
01:31:40,600 --> 01:31:46,720
remember, it's like Andor
Karian, then the spine and then

1528
01:31:46,960 --> 01:31:49,680
the desert.
Oh, OK, OK.

1529
01:31:50,240 --> 01:31:53,160
Despite these mountains, a
mountain range.

1530
01:31:53,400 --> 01:31:59,480
OK, OK.
And Tarva LON is Tarian, I

1531
01:31:59,480 --> 01:32:02,040
think.
Yeah, I think.

1532
01:32:02,200 --> 01:32:03,760
It's been a while since I've
looked at the map.

1533
01:32:03,920 --> 01:32:06,680
OK, yeah, 'cause I was going to
say I think Tarva LON and Karian

1534
01:32:06,720 --> 01:32:10,680
are kind of away from each other
because it gwang she described

1535
01:32:10,680 --> 01:32:13,760
it as half a world away when she
was talking about how fast the

1536
01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:16,400
the news from farm had traveled
to Tarva LON.

1537
01:32:17,040 --> 01:32:21,320
Yeah.
Well Tarva line is all the way

1538
01:32:21,320 --> 01:32:25,000
east and Farm is all the way
West, so that would be half a

1539
01:32:25,000 --> 01:32:30,200
world away.
OK, OK, so yeah, the the only

1540
01:32:30,200 --> 01:32:35,160
other notable thing with this
one is Joe and I, when they get

1541
01:32:35,160 --> 01:32:37,840
ready to leave him and his
grandson, they're the only two

1542
01:32:37,840 --> 01:32:42,680
left of their little caravan.
Everybody else has left and we

1543
01:32:42,680 --> 01:32:47,440
noticed that inside the the cart
that he's about to pull, there

1544
01:32:47,440 --> 01:32:52,160
is a sapling from Avandasaur, or
it may be actually Avandasaur, I

1545
01:32:52,160 --> 01:32:55,040
don't know because the the
sagrial is.

1546
01:32:55,560 --> 01:32:57,560
Yeah, it's.
In it, Yeah, it's in it.

1547
01:32:57,560 --> 01:33:02,720
So this this is probably when
Avandasaur was like really just

1548
01:33:02,720 --> 01:33:08,480
kind of starting out, at least
at this point, the next one.

1549
01:33:08,720 --> 01:33:13,720
Oh, but before that you, you we
did we mention that the ones

1550
01:33:13,720 --> 01:33:17,800
that left those are the ones
that became the 12th. 10 OK, no,

1551
01:33:17,840 --> 01:33:19,320
actually I was going to ask
that.

1552
01:33:19,320 --> 01:33:23,800
So OK, so that would probably be
why they no longer call

1553
01:33:23,800 --> 01:33:26,960
themselves the IEO.
But no, I'm kind of wondering

1554
01:33:26,960 --> 01:33:30,240
because this is before.
Yeah, this.

1555
01:33:30,240 --> 01:33:34,920
This is because he continued.
So when we see him later with.

1556
01:33:35,080 --> 01:33:37,720
Oh, so he's still considering.
He's still calling himself the

1557
01:33:37,720 --> 01:33:42,360
IEO, and they're still.
Going to build the city.

1558
01:33:42,560 --> 01:33:46,520
Right.
OK, so he so he is part of the

1559
01:33:46,520 --> 01:33:49,840
ones that continues to be the
ideal, the ones who left who

1560
01:33:49,960 --> 01:33:52,560
decide to go South.
Those are the lost ones, the two

1561
01:33:52,560 --> 01:33:53,800
author.
Those are the lost ones.

1562
01:33:53,840 --> 01:33:57,560
OK, but they are apparently
still following the way of the

1563
01:33:57,560 --> 01:33:59,880
leaf, they just didn't do it
with him.

1564
01:34:00,360 --> 01:34:03,040
They didn't see any point in
going to the desert.

1565
01:34:03,640 --> 01:34:07,840
OK, OK, so they didn't
necessarily abandoned their

1566
01:34:07,840 --> 01:34:10,720
ideals, they just didn't want to
go where he was going to go.

1567
01:34:11,200 --> 01:34:14,480
Yeah, OK.
And you know, and I'm sure some

1568
01:34:14,480 --> 01:34:20,240
of them decided to leave the Way
of the Leaf, probably, you know,

1569
01:34:20,240 --> 01:34:22,600
which is why we got redheads all
over the place.

1570
01:34:24,640 --> 01:34:27,800
Could be OK, OK.
You're there and everywhere,

1571
01:34:27,960 --> 01:34:29,280
right?
Right.

1572
01:34:30,160 --> 01:34:32,560
Yeah, but the, the, Yeah.
But the implication is that's

1573
01:34:32,560 --> 01:34:34,880
that's where the Lost Ones came
from, because they just couldn't

1574
01:34:34,880 --> 01:34:36,200
do it.
They they just don't want to do

1575
01:34:36,200 --> 01:34:38,160
it.
They they were the first ones to

1576
01:34:38,160 --> 01:34:41,640
break the oath.
OK, OK.

1577
01:34:42,280 --> 01:34:46,360
So then we go to the next vision
which is showing.

1578
01:34:46,360 --> 01:34:51,680
It looks like a a city, like, I
don't know if it was under

1579
01:34:51,680 --> 01:34:54,960
attack because the way that it
looks, you look in the distance

1580
01:34:54,960 --> 01:34:59,000
and there are these beams of
light and I couldn't tell if

1581
01:34:59,000 --> 01:35:01,840
they were going up or if they
were coming down.

1582
01:35:02,400 --> 01:35:04,080
Yo, you didn't realize what that
was?

1583
01:35:04,320 --> 01:35:08,480
No, I mean I I know it probably
had something to do with when

1584
01:35:08,480 --> 01:35:10,880
the when the wheel broke, or
when the.

1585
01:35:12,240 --> 01:35:16,680
Those are men channeling.
They've gone crazy.

1586
01:35:18,800 --> 01:35:22,080
That was OK.
They This is the breaking.

1587
01:35:22,120 --> 01:35:24,400
This is the beginning of the
breaking of the world.

1588
01:35:24,400 --> 01:35:27,080
OK, that's what I thought it
was, but I didn't realize that

1589
01:35:27,080 --> 01:35:29,680
was the men channeling.
Yeah, that we saw.

1590
01:35:29,720 --> 01:35:34,120
OK, All right, So then that kind
of puts things into a little bit

1591
01:35:34,120 --> 01:35:35,560
more context.
So it's.

1592
01:35:35,560 --> 01:35:37,680
That's not, that's not a
spoiler, because that's

1593
01:35:37,680 --> 01:35:40,200
literally what is.
Yeah, because I know they

1594
01:35:40,400 --> 01:35:42,360
mention.
It Yeah, that's what kind of

1595
01:35:42,520 --> 01:35:46,440
alludes to we the men are like
they've.

1596
01:35:46,880 --> 01:35:49,960
They've the madness has taken
them and all of this other

1597
01:35:49,960 --> 01:35:51,560
stuff, but I didn't realize
that's what that was.

1598
01:35:51,560 --> 01:35:56,320
Because one, it was so far in
the distance that all I saw were

1599
01:35:56,320 --> 01:35:58,360
the lights.
So you didn't really see that it

1600
01:35:58,360 --> 01:36:01,240
was the men doing it.
It was just weird 'cause it was

1601
01:36:01,240 --> 01:36:05,080
like almost like, I don't know,
like the beams of light coming.

1602
01:36:05,080 --> 01:36:09,680
From the from the station, all
kinds of crazy stuff and and the

1603
01:36:09,680 --> 01:36:14,080
lost ones in the previous life,
the lost ones were like OK, so

1604
01:36:14,080 --> 01:36:16,720
the I said I have killed the
last man who could channel.

1605
01:36:16,800 --> 01:36:18,560
Right.
And the breaking has kind of

1606
01:36:18,560 --> 01:36:21,440
stopped.
So I don't think we, you know,

1607
01:36:21,440 --> 01:36:23,800
we basically we, we don't have
to keep doing this.

1608
01:36:23,920 --> 01:36:27,400
So we're going to go home.
Yeah, We can find some place to

1609
01:36:27,400 --> 01:36:28,760
settle.
I think that's what they were

1610
01:36:28,760 --> 01:36:29,960
saying.
Yeah.

1611
01:36:29,960 --> 01:36:34,600
And I guess that didn't work out
too well for them because when

1612
01:36:34,600 --> 01:36:36,840
we meet the two walking one in
current, they they're still

1613
01:36:36,840 --> 01:36:39,480
wandering, they're still going,
you know, all over the place.

1614
01:36:40,240 --> 01:36:44,920
But yeah, so in that in this
version, there is a past version

1615
01:36:44,920 --> 01:36:48,240
of Rand who looks like Rand, but
we we don't get his name.

1616
01:36:48,240 --> 01:36:52,720
In this version, he is speaking
to a a younger Latrice Sadai,

1617
01:36:52,720 --> 01:36:58,680
who is the older woman who was
in the very first or second

1618
01:36:58,800 --> 01:37:01,600
vision.
Do do you remember Latrice

1619
01:37:01,600 --> 01:37:05,320
Sadai?
No, her name sounds familiar.

1620
01:37:05,960 --> 01:37:10,720
She was the I said I talking to
loose Theron in the nursery in

1621
01:37:10,760 --> 01:37:15,960
their flashback.
Oh, yes, OK, I, I her name sound

1622
01:37:15,960 --> 01:37:19,080
familiar, but I couldn't play
I'm, I think I'm really going to

1623
01:37:19,080 --> 01:37:21,200
have to go back and rewatch
season 1 'cause there are too

1624
01:37:21,200 --> 01:37:25,240
many references being made to
season 1 episodes that I'm not

1625
01:37:25,240 --> 01:37:28,680
remembering.
So yeah, OK, I'm going to have

1626
01:37:28,680 --> 01:37:31,400
to do that, but OK.
So he's talking to Mattress to

1627
01:37:31,400 --> 01:37:34,120
Die and they're having a
conversation because I guess

1628
01:37:34,120 --> 01:37:36,040
they're getting ready to
evacuate the city.

1629
01:37:36,920 --> 01:37:40,120
And she asked him something
about did you get, did you get

1630
01:37:40,120 --> 01:37:44,360
the, the samplings of the Chora?
And he says, yes, there's 10,000

1631
01:37:45,160 --> 01:37:50,240
cuttings and pots that are being
placed in wagons.

1632
01:37:50,240 --> 01:37:53,400
So I guess they're taking that
tree of life they've taken

1633
01:37:53,400 --> 01:37:56,360
cuttings from and they're
sending it with as many people

1634
01:37:56,360 --> 01:38:01,240
as they can, I guess to, to put
wherever they can find to settle

1635
01:38:01,240 --> 01:38:05,640
so that the men who can channel.
Yeah, but she she gives them a

1636
01:38:05,640 --> 01:38:09,640
specific task.
Find a place.

1637
01:38:10,480 --> 01:38:14,600
Where they can be safe and where
they can settle and be safe and

1638
01:38:15,280 --> 01:38:19,680
yeah, and don't have to, don't
have to protect themselves or,

1639
01:38:19,800 --> 01:38:21,560
you know, where they can feel
protected.

1640
01:38:21,920 --> 01:38:26,600
But she also gives him the
Sangreal for safekeeping.

1641
01:38:26,600 --> 01:38:30,600
And the other sister who is with
her is like, no, you can't give

1642
01:38:30,600 --> 01:38:31,760
that to him.
It's too precious.

1643
01:38:31,760 --> 01:38:38,120
And she tells her she was like,
we already have men who can

1644
01:38:38,120 --> 01:38:42,600
channel, who are, you know, who
are giving way to the madness if

1645
01:38:42,600 --> 01:38:46,840
they find this and a woman who
can use it to channel, there's

1646
01:38:46,840 --> 01:38:49,960
no telling what they can do.
And she was trying to avoid

1647
01:38:49,960 --> 01:38:52,040
that.
So she was going to send it

1648
01:38:52,040 --> 01:38:56,520
with, She was going to send it
with this.

1649
01:38:56,880 --> 01:38:59,760
Yeah, the IO, there's no name
she's going to send it with.

1650
01:39:00,280 --> 01:39:01,760
The IO.
She's going to send it with the

1651
01:39:01,760 --> 01:39:05,080
IO, But she also mentions the
fact that she was like, don't

1652
01:39:05,080 --> 01:39:09,240
forget, it was our Ayesadi
sister, Mirren Sadai, who

1653
01:39:09,400 --> 01:39:13,840
unlocked the Dark One's cage and
took on the name land Fear.

1654
01:39:13,840 --> 01:39:16,560
And I was like, oh, OK, that's
that's where we hear her name

1655
01:39:16,560 --> 01:39:18,840
because we hadn't heard her name
before.

1656
01:39:18,840 --> 01:39:21,160
But you mentioned it in the last
episode.

1657
01:39:21,160 --> 01:39:23,200
Mirren Sadai.
Yeah, so.

1658
01:39:24,440 --> 01:39:27,400
So at this point they give him
the sangria.

1659
01:39:27,880 --> 01:39:30,240
Oh, and then she also mentions
the story calendar.

1660
01:39:31,160 --> 01:39:34,200
Oh, yes, because she's telling
when she when she gives it to

1661
01:39:34,200 --> 01:39:37,800
him, she tells him that this is,
you know, this is a sangria that

1662
01:39:37,800 --> 01:39:40,680
only women can use.
And then there's another one

1663
01:39:40,880 --> 01:39:43,320
called calendar that are for the
men.

1664
01:39:43,320 --> 01:39:47,120
She was like, that one is being
protected in a city where it

1665
01:39:47,120 --> 01:39:50,360
can't be touched, is being
protected by war and fear.

1666
01:39:50,840 --> 01:39:55,880
So this I'm giving you to be
protected by peace because she

1667
01:39:55,880 --> 01:39:58,840
tells, she tells the other
sister, she said that I, I'll

1668
01:39:58,840 --> 01:40:03,480
have shown that there was
courage and peace and this is

1669
01:40:03,480 --> 01:40:06,680
the, the way we want to go.
So when she gives this to them,

1670
01:40:07,160 --> 01:40:12,320
she tells them to keep moving,
to always keep moving until you

1671
01:40:12,320 --> 01:40:17,160
find some place safe and to
always keep to the ways of the

1672
01:40:17,160 --> 01:40:19,840
leaf.
And they all literally bend the

1673
01:40:19,840 --> 01:40:22,560
knee.
And they take this oath saying

1674
01:40:22,560 --> 01:40:25,960
that they will keep to the ways
of the that the IO would keep to

1675
01:40:25,960 --> 01:40:28,000
the ways of the leaf.
And they, you know, they will

1676
01:40:28,000 --> 01:40:31,840
force where all violence.
And then you see him go out to

1677
01:40:31,840 --> 01:40:36,840
the cart with his husband and
basically say that one thing

1678
01:40:37,480 --> 01:40:42,280
that I think, I think it was
Bain who said it before she was

1679
01:40:42,280 --> 01:40:44,040
saying all is well, all is well.
And.

1680
01:40:44,040 --> 01:40:45,560
All bear.
Bear.

1681
01:40:45,680 --> 01:40:50,800
Bear Yes, so and then you see
them all riding out, all of

1682
01:40:50,800 --> 01:40:55,120
these carriages riding out,
presumably all with pieces of

1683
01:40:55,120 --> 01:40:59,480
Avinda Sora except for this
particular one that also has

1684
01:40:59,520 --> 01:41:03,040
this Angrio embedded in the
middle of it.

1685
01:41:03,760 --> 01:41:10,880
And then you see a final vision
for Rand, and this is him.

1686
01:41:11,040 --> 01:41:14,560
He looks so weird in this one
because I'm not used to seeing

1687
01:41:14,560 --> 01:41:17,840
him with the facial hair.
And then he has the Padawan

1688
01:41:17,840 --> 01:41:21,120
braid in the back.
And it was just very weird

1689
01:41:21,120 --> 01:41:25,280
because he looked very, I don't
want to say homely, but he looks

1690
01:41:25,280 --> 01:41:27,840
very different from all the
other versions we see him, like

1691
01:41:27,840 --> 01:41:29,680
most of the versions we see of
him.

1692
01:41:30,120 --> 01:41:33,960
He's a warrior or he's dressed
like the people in the Way of

1693
01:41:33,960 --> 01:41:36,280
the Leaf.
The vision that we saw him just

1694
01:41:36,280 --> 01:41:40,640
before, he looked more
futuristic than anything.

1695
01:41:40,760 --> 01:41:44,120
But I remember that when we saw
the episode in the first season,

1696
01:41:44,360 --> 01:41:46,960
they were a lot more
technologically advanced.

1697
01:41:46,960 --> 01:41:49,600
They seem more futuristic before
the wheel broke.

1698
01:41:50,680 --> 01:41:53,360
That's what we look like.
Thank you, 'cause I was looking

1699
01:41:53,360 --> 01:41:55,360
at this and I was like, who the
fuck does he look like?

1700
01:41:55,360 --> 01:41:57,320
He's gonna remind me.
He was like, motherfucker,

1701
01:41:57,320 --> 01:41:59,640
that's Anakin.
He looks like Anakin.

1702
01:41:59,880 --> 01:42:01,920
Yes, just Anakin with red.
Hair.

1703
01:42:04,280 --> 01:42:06,000
I was like, 'cause it was bugs
the fuck out of me.

1704
01:42:06,000 --> 01:42:09,240
I was like, I can't put my
finger on.

1705
01:42:09,240 --> 01:42:11,640
I'm like, oh.
Yes, young Padawan, that's who

1706
01:42:11,720 --> 01:42:13,160
he looks like.
Yeah.

1707
01:42:13,760 --> 01:42:18,080
And I'm like, oh, then I then I
was like, oh, is this, are they,

1708
01:42:18,080 --> 01:42:22,160
is this another, another
parallel that they're like

1709
01:42:22,280 --> 01:42:25,680
making him making it seem like
he's the quote UN quote chosen

1710
01:42:25,680 --> 01:42:28,920
one or something.
We already know he's the chosen

1711
01:42:28,920 --> 01:42:32,120
1.
Yeah, but it's like, but it's

1712
01:42:32,120 --> 01:42:34,400
like a parallel like that, like,
oh God.

1713
01:42:34,840 --> 01:42:37,080
Like we're going to have to go
through, go through him in a in

1714
01:42:37,080 --> 01:42:39,320
a dark phase, like a Darth Vader
phase.

1715
01:42:39,480 --> 01:42:43,360
Well I mean we, we, we have the
the struggle, we have the

1716
01:42:43,360 --> 01:42:47,280
struggle with his love with E
Gwen or Landfair, whichever 1

1717
01:42:47,280 --> 01:42:50,200
you want to call it.
But Speaking of Landfair, she is

1718
01:42:50,200 --> 01:42:52,760
in this final vision.
Is this?

1719
01:42:52,800 --> 01:42:55,520
The future.
No, this was the past.

1720
01:42:55,520 --> 01:42:58,800
They keep going backwards in the
past and like I said, I heard.

1721
01:42:59,920 --> 01:43:03,520
Yeah, but it looks futuristic.
It looks So looks more so much

1722
01:43:03,600 --> 01:43:05,520
more futuristic it looks.
Like what I was.

1723
01:43:05,640 --> 01:43:07,040
Seeing in the.
Past, yeah, yeah.

1724
01:43:07,160 --> 01:43:10,120
In the first season, if you
remember the episode where we're

1725
01:43:10,120 --> 01:43:14,680
introduced to Latrice to Die and
Lewis Ferran, everything looked

1726
01:43:14,680 --> 01:43:18,560
more futuristic, like they had
flying vehicles at that time and

1727
01:43:18,560 --> 01:43:20,960
everything.
This was right before the world

1728
01:43:20,960 --> 01:43:24,440
broke.
So yeah, it does look a little

1729
01:43:24,440 --> 01:43:28,840
more futuristic.
But he is a farmer in this one.

1730
01:43:28,840 --> 01:43:31,760
And he's looking at his family,
and they're, you know, tending

1731
01:43:31,760 --> 01:43:34,920
the fields.
And Marin Sadai with landfill

1732
01:43:34,920 --> 01:43:36,960
at, you know, before she became
landfill.

1733
01:43:37,560 --> 01:43:41,560
She comes in, they're having a
conversation and he's talking

1734
01:43:41,560 --> 01:43:44,560
about how this day is important
for her because what she has

1735
01:43:44,560 --> 01:43:49,800
discovered is she says the true
power, which can be used by both

1736
01:43:49,800 --> 01:43:52,720
men and women.
And Anthony, and I think you've

1737
01:43:52,720 --> 01:43:55,600
mentioned this before, this is
different from the one power,

1738
01:43:55,600 --> 01:43:58,000
correct?
Yes.

1739
01:43:58,200 --> 01:44:01,200
OK, So this is something that
she has.

1740
01:44:01,520 --> 01:44:04,720
She says she's discovered.
She was like, yes, it's a

1741
01:44:04,720 --> 01:44:07,600
little.
It's a little part where we can

1742
01:44:07,600 --> 01:44:10,400
kind of punch through and see
what's on the other side and.

1743
01:44:10,480 --> 01:44:12,840
I'm like no, don't do.
That that's that's not a good

1744
01:44:12,840 --> 01:44:13,920
idea.
That's never good.

1745
01:44:14,440 --> 01:44:18,160
Yeah, the the researchers, which
she was one of them, found where

1746
01:44:18,160 --> 01:44:21,760
the pattern was the thinnest.
And they're like, if we can

1747
01:44:21,760 --> 01:44:25,280
breakthrough that, we can get to
some extra power on the other

1748
01:44:25,280 --> 01:44:28,800
side that men and women can use.
Yeah.

1749
01:44:29,240 --> 01:44:33,120
And she was like, and Can you
imagine she was like your, your

1750
01:44:33,120 --> 01:44:36,320
family could harvest without
having to do the actual physical

1751
01:44:36,320 --> 01:44:37,560
work.
And that's when you tell her

1752
01:44:37,600 --> 01:44:39,920
he's like, no, this is actually
fun.

1753
01:44:39,920 --> 01:44:42,720
Like we enjoy this.
There's something about doing

1754
01:44:42,720 --> 01:44:46,200
the work with your own hands.
He was like, I can't explain it,

1755
01:44:46,200 --> 01:44:49,200
but it's, it's satisfying.
It's something that you know

1756
01:44:49,200 --> 01:44:55,480
that we love to do and.
Yeah, so the this real quick.

1757
01:44:55,760 --> 01:45:01,880
So the one power comes from the
creator, the source is the

1758
01:45:01,880 --> 01:45:07,200
pattern, the wheel.
The true power comes from the

1759
01:45:07,200 --> 01:45:12,240
dark one shadow.
So that's where the true power

1760
01:45:12,280 --> 01:45:13,600
comes from.
OK.

1761
01:45:15,120 --> 01:45:18,000
All right.
So was she was she bore into

1762
01:45:18,080 --> 01:45:21,680
When they broke into the hole,
they opened up the Dark Ones

1763
01:45:21,680 --> 01:45:24,040
prison.
His prison, OK.

1764
01:45:24,560 --> 01:45:27,080
And then I guess she got she
touched it and she got

1765
01:45:27,080 --> 01:45:31,000
corrupted, right?
Or was she already corrupted?

1766
01:45:33,680 --> 01:45:35,880
I'm going to say I'm going to
say no.

1767
01:45:36,120 --> 01:45:39,920
OK.
Because it was exactly what she

1768
01:45:39,920 --> 01:45:41,760
wanted.
More power.

1769
01:45:42,360 --> 01:45:48,640
OK, OK.
But anyway, so when they're

1770
01:45:48,640 --> 01:45:51,040
having this conversation, he's
getting ready to go out to the

1771
01:45:51,040 --> 01:45:53,480
fields.
And she turns around and she

1772
01:45:53,480 --> 01:45:57,360
tells him something about the
most important thing is to hold

1773
01:45:57,360 --> 01:46:01,880
on to the ones you love.
And he goes out and he starts,

1774
01:46:02,360 --> 01:46:05,720
you know, tending the fields
with his his family.

1775
01:46:06,080 --> 01:46:09,600
Now what this this little ball
that was in the middle of the

1776
01:46:09,600 --> 01:46:13,640
sky that looked like the Death
Star or became the Death Star.

1777
01:46:13,920 --> 01:46:16,840
What exactly was that?
Because that's the thing that

1778
01:46:16,840 --> 01:46:19,960
actually breaks.
That's that's not the important

1779
01:46:19,960 --> 01:46:21,320
thing.
The important thing was the

1780
01:46:21,320 --> 01:46:26,720
song, the harvest song.
Remember, the Tuathuan are going

1781
01:46:26,720 --> 01:46:31,440
around trying to find the song.
But I couldn't hear the words to

1782
01:46:31,440 --> 01:46:34,720
the song so.
The song they were in the old,

1783
01:46:35,480 --> 01:46:37,160
you wouldn't have understood it
anyway.

1784
01:46:37,200 --> 01:46:39,000
Yeah, the old tongue.
Uh huh.

1785
01:46:39,120 --> 01:46:41,800
But that was the song that they
talk about looking for, they're

1786
01:46:41,800 --> 01:46:45,360
trying to find.
I figured that part out, but it

1787
01:46:45,360 --> 01:46:49,240
kind of got overshadowed by the
big glowy ball in the middle of

1788
01:46:49,240 --> 01:46:52,000
the sky that all of a sudden
starts breaking.

1789
01:46:52,160 --> 01:46:54,280
It the remember.
Ball it was, it was just a

1790
01:46:54,280 --> 01:46:56,640
research.
It was a research facility.

1791
01:46:56,680 --> 01:47:00,200
Oh, OK, OK.
That they put around that being

1792
01:47:00,200 --> 01:47:03,040
part of the pattern.
OK, that's what I was trying to

1793
01:47:03,040 --> 01:47:05,960
figure out because it because it
looks like the way that the

1794
01:47:05,960 --> 01:47:09,280
graphics were.
It's like when it starts falling

1795
01:47:09,280 --> 01:47:12,160
apart, there's this one little
section that looks like a hole,

1796
01:47:12,160 --> 01:47:14,200
and I was like, OK, that looks
like.

1797
01:47:14,920 --> 01:47:18,640
That's probably where they first
punched through was right there.

1798
01:47:19,040 --> 01:47:21,480
OK, but see, I didn't know what
that was.

1799
01:47:21,480 --> 01:47:25,480
I was like, OK, is that a moon?
Is that like just I, I didn't

1800
01:47:25,480 --> 01:47:27,880
know what it was.
Because you saw them, you saw

1801
01:47:27,880 --> 01:47:30,880
her on the inside talking to
him, and you saw where it

1802
01:47:30,880 --> 01:47:34,480
showed, where the one power was
going crazy in this one little

1803
01:47:34,480 --> 01:47:35,880
area.
Yeah, that's what they were

1804
01:47:35,880 --> 01:47:38,400
trying to drill into.
Oh, so that's the place where he

1805
01:47:38,400 --> 01:47:42,480
was when he was looking out
because you only see like a

1806
01:47:42,480 --> 01:47:43,800
window.
Yeah.

1807
01:47:43,840 --> 01:47:47,480
That's what that's where he was.
He was up there with Marisa Die

1808
01:47:48,000 --> 01:47:50,360
and she was like, yeah, he was
like, what is that?

1809
01:47:50,360 --> 01:47:54,400
And she's like, that's where
we're boring into the into the

1810
01:47:54,400 --> 01:47:57,480
pattern.
OK, OK, so that's what they're

1811
01:47:57,480 --> 01:47:59,800
looking for.
Was on his face, not just that

1812
01:47:59,800 --> 01:48:02,120
the thing was falling.
He was like, oh shit, I was just

1813
01:48:02,120 --> 01:48:04,400
there.
That too.

1814
01:48:05,640 --> 01:48:10,680
But OK, is it just me or did
when he was, when he was sitting

1815
01:48:10,680 --> 01:48:13,600
down there, you know, whacking
wheat with his family?

1816
01:48:13,960 --> 01:48:17,760
He looked he looked over at one
of the family members and she

1817
01:48:17,760 --> 01:48:21,400
turned to look at him.
Isn't just me or did she look

1818
01:48:21,400 --> 01:48:25,640
like Amicosa die?
Oh, she did.

1819
01:48:27,120 --> 01:48:29,280
I was like.
But I don't think that is her,

1820
01:48:29,280 --> 01:48:30,360
but OK.
She did.

1821
01:48:30,480 --> 01:48:32,160
Well.
I mean, it's not her, but it

1822
01:48:32,160 --> 01:48:35,280
could have been like a, a
ancestor of hers that was

1823
01:48:35,280 --> 01:48:38,480
actually part of that.
But I just thought it was very

1824
01:48:38,480 --> 01:48:39,600
interesting.
Or it could have been the

1825
01:48:39,600 --> 01:48:41,320
actress who were like, hey, we
kind of like you.

1826
01:48:41,320 --> 01:48:43,720
You want to come back and do
another, right?

1827
01:48:43,720 --> 01:48:45,480
Right.
OK, that's cool.

1828
01:48:46,600 --> 01:48:49,720
But after he has this vision,
because, like you said, the

1829
01:48:49,720 --> 01:48:53,560
Research Center, which we now
know it is, it actually comes

1830
01:48:53,640 --> 01:48:56,120
crashing down to the ground.
And, you know, all of his family

1831
01:48:56,120 --> 01:48:59,320
members start running.
And then you kind of see

1832
01:48:59,320 --> 01:49:02,160
flashbacks from all of Rand's
visions.

1833
01:49:02,480 --> 01:49:06,440
And there are voice overs of
some of the stuff that Bear was

1834
01:49:06,440 --> 01:49:09,880
saying before he went in about,
you know, he's going to have to,

1835
01:49:10,040 --> 01:49:13,560
if he's going to lead, he's got
to learn the ways of his people.

1836
01:49:13,560 --> 01:49:16,800
He's got to learn, you know, the
past and all this other stuff.

1837
01:49:17,160 --> 01:49:21,040
And then he literally passes out
on the ground and he's actually

1838
01:49:21,040 --> 01:49:24,560
made it to the end because while
he's in there, he's passing,

1839
01:49:24,840 --> 01:49:28,360
first of all, the way that they
have this done because he is

1840
01:49:28,360 --> 01:49:33,720
fighting up against a force or a
strong wind or something that is

1841
01:49:33,720 --> 01:49:38,960
trying to push him back.
So watching him walk through

1842
01:49:38,960 --> 01:49:42,160
this in, in the slow motion or
however they're doing it, it

1843
01:49:42,160 --> 01:49:45,120
looks cool.
But in the midst of all that,

1844
01:49:45,120 --> 01:49:49,880
he's coming across the skeletons
of other, I guess other clan

1845
01:49:49,880 --> 01:49:53,000
chiefs who have tried to go
through Irwidian and didn't make

1846
01:49:53,000 --> 01:49:54,560
it.
And then like I said, he he

1847
01:49:54,640 --> 01:49:59,240
comes to Savannah's husband and
actually goes past him.

1848
01:49:59,560 --> 01:50:03,120
And as he's going past again,
everything is going in slow

1849
01:50:03,120 --> 01:50:06,840
motion.
His eyes, the other guy's eyes.

1850
01:50:06,840 --> 01:50:10,720
I can't remember his name,
Moridan or something.

1851
01:50:10,720 --> 01:50:12,200
Or something like that.
Moridan.

1852
01:50:12,400 --> 01:50:16,560
His eyes are starting to bleed
because whatever he is looking

1853
01:50:16,560 --> 01:50:20,120
at, I'm guessing he is not
learning the lesson.

1854
01:50:20,880 --> 01:50:23,440
He's actually trying to RIP his
eyes out.

1855
01:50:23,920 --> 01:50:25,760
Yeah.
He was ripping.

1856
01:50:25,760 --> 01:50:28,920
He was literally ripping his
eyes out because he couldn't

1857
01:50:28,920 --> 01:50:31,960
take what he was seeing.
Yeah, yeah, no.

1858
01:50:32,800 --> 01:50:35,640
And, and he ends up dying in
there.

1859
01:50:35,640 --> 01:50:40,720
But Rand, he passes out.
And as he's passed out, he sees,

1860
01:50:40,720 --> 01:50:42,600
oh, that's what we forgot to
mention before they went.

1861
01:50:42,920 --> 01:50:48,080
He sees his arms getting the
two, I guess.

1862
01:50:48,160 --> 01:50:51,440
Dragon tattoos.
Dragon tattoos, yeah, for his

1863
01:50:51,440 --> 01:50:54,120
arms.
And this is something Ruark said

1864
01:50:54,120 --> 01:50:59,520
to him before when he was asking
about going into Ruidian.

1865
01:50:59,760 --> 01:51:03,680
And he said clan, clan, clan
chiefs who go through, we're

1866
01:51:03,680 --> 01:51:08,200
marked by the experience.
And he shows him a tattoo on one

1867
01:51:08,200 --> 01:51:10,160
of his arms, and it's literally
a golden.

1868
01:51:10,160 --> 01:51:13,800
It almost looks like golden
foil, but it's a dragon wrapped

1869
01:51:13,800 --> 01:51:16,560
around his forearm.
And that's when Rand is like

1870
01:51:16,760 --> 01:51:19,320
people of the dragon, because
he's mentioned that a couple of

1871
01:51:19,320 --> 01:51:22,320
times before.
And Ruark is like, yeah, that's

1872
01:51:22,320 --> 01:51:25,520
what they used to call us.
He said the Karakarn, when he

1873
01:51:25,520 --> 01:51:28,680
goes through Ruidian, he will be
marked twice.

1874
01:51:28,680 --> 01:51:30,160
And that is how we will know
him.

1875
01:51:30,840 --> 01:51:33,200
So this is what is happening to
to Ran.

1876
01:51:33,200 --> 01:51:36,120
Now he has the dragon tattoos on
both of his arms.

1877
01:51:36,440 --> 01:51:40,280
And then the next thing we see
is Avienda passed that on the

1878
01:51:40,280 --> 01:51:42,520
ground and Ran goes to wake her
up.

1879
01:51:42,560 --> 01:51:46,280
And then she looks at him and
she sees the dragon tattoos on

1880
01:51:46,280 --> 01:51:48,680
both of his forearms.
And she kind of pushes back and

1881
01:51:48,680 --> 01:51:51,040
she's looking at him like mother
fuck.

1882
01:51:51,280 --> 01:51:55,200
At some point I'm have to
apologize to his ass because

1883
01:51:55,480 --> 01:51:59,880
again, this is the sign of the
car, car which you really did

1884
01:51:59,880 --> 01:52:03,720
not want him to be.
So he he asked her if she seen

1885
01:52:03,720 --> 01:52:07,240
Moraine because I'm guessing
they're outside, not necessarily

1886
01:52:07,240 --> 01:52:09,080
outside of the wedding.
And at that point, but they're

1887
01:52:09,080 --> 01:52:14,040
back at the gates and she says
Moraine is still inside and she

1888
01:52:14,040 --> 01:52:16,000
gets up and starts walking out
and he said, where are you

1889
01:52:16,000 --> 01:52:17,480
going?
She was like, I'm going back.

1890
01:52:17,480 --> 01:52:19,440
He said to the tent.
She was like, aren't you?

1891
01:52:20,120 --> 01:52:21,960
He was like, no, I'm not going
without her.

1892
01:52:23,400 --> 01:52:29,560
So then we go back to Moraine,
who was still in the rings, and

1893
01:52:29,560 --> 01:52:33,800
man, let me tell you, I don't
know what was more disturbing in

1894
01:52:33,800 --> 01:52:37,840
this set of visions.
It was either land fear slitting

1895
01:52:37,840 --> 01:52:42,800
Moraine's throat over and over
and over and over and over and

1896
01:52:42,800 --> 01:52:46,640
over again.
Or it was that one vision of

1897
01:52:46,640 --> 01:52:50,360
Moraine and ran in bed together.
I think that was probably more

1898
01:52:50,360 --> 01:52:54,720
disturbing to me.
So I mean not seeing the immense

1899
01:52:54,720 --> 01:52:58,440
field 5 as forsaken.
That was no, that was, that was

1900
01:52:58,440 --> 01:52:59,600
it.
That was it for me.

1901
01:52:59,640 --> 01:53:02,760
And it's like, and did did Wayne
have have like the thing in her

1902
01:53:02,760 --> 01:53:06,440
mouth again?
I think she had Was it

1903
01:53:06,440 --> 01:53:07,840
piercings?
Probably.

1904
01:53:08,560 --> 01:53:14,040
I mean, that was disturbing
because, but also not, I would

1905
01:53:14,040 --> 01:53:17,440
say it wasn't surprising to me
because we know that they're,

1906
01:53:18,040 --> 01:53:20,240
you know, one of the things
landfill has talked about and

1907
01:53:20,240 --> 01:53:24,360
even even Ishmael was trying to
get them to turn to the dark.

1908
01:53:24,640 --> 01:53:27,960
So her seeing a vision of them
turned to the dark.

1909
01:53:28,040 --> 01:53:30,920
That's that wasn't surprising to
me because I know that that's

1910
01:53:30,920 --> 01:53:32,640
something that they are trying
to do.

1911
01:53:33,920 --> 01:53:37,040
I thought I was like, OK, so we
got a golf band together.

1912
01:53:37,040 --> 01:53:39,960
OK, cool.
Luckily that vision was very

1913
01:53:39,960 --> 01:53:43,600
short, but again, it it was one
of those where landfill was

1914
01:53:43,600 --> 01:53:46,560
killing Lorraine.
She killed Lorraine.

1915
01:53:46,560 --> 01:53:51,680
As you know, I and I don't know,
Moraine was different because in

1916
01:53:51,680 --> 01:53:54,360
that particular vision, her hair
was very short.

1917
01:53:54,360 --> 01:53:59,360
She was blonde and she had on
kind of like AI don't know, like

1918
01:53:59,360 --> 01:54:02,400
a sack dress.
It was kind of a plain dress.

1919
01:54:02,400 --> 01:54:06,880
So I don't know what was going
on with her, but she gets

1920
01:54:06,880 --> 01:54:09,320
killed.
Then I think she gets killed as

1921
01:54:09,320 --> 01:54:12,040
the ambulance.
I think she gets killed just as

1922
01:54:12,040 --> 01:54:15,480
her regular isodicelf over.
And over and.

1923
01:54:15,640 --> 01:54:18,600
Over and over again.
Before you move away from the

1924
01:54:19,000 --> 01:54:23,920
the Emmonsfield 5 that's
Forsaken, did you, did you

1925
01:54:24,600 --> 01:54:28,560
recognize one of the ones who
wasn't the one who wasn't

1926
01:54:28,560 --> 01:54:32,560
Emmonsfield 5?
No, because it went so fast and.

1927
01:54:32,600 --> 01:54:36,200
I just.
Oh.

1928
01:54:36,560 --> 01:54:39,040
Yeah, I was like, that's
interesting.

1929
01:54:39,560 --> 01:54:42,000
OK.
I know there was a there was

1930
01:54:42,040 --> 01:54:46,800
quite a few of them because it
was a Wayne, it was 19th, it was

1931
01:54:46,800 --> 01:54:49,440
Perrin.
Did I see land in that?

1932
01:54:50,000 --> 01:54:52,120
Elaine, no land.
Elaine was in there.

1933
01:54:52,120 --> 01:54:53,960
Oh yes, I do remember Elaine in
her hair.

1934
01:54:53,960 --> 01:54:57,080
Because her hair.
Yeah, no, Matt.

1935
01:54:58,480 --> 01:55:01,040
That's not Matt.
No, Matt.

1936
01:55:01,800 --> 01:55:05,880
Next to land fear.
Yeah, it is, Matt.

1937
01:55:06,000 --> 01:55:08,320
Oh OK I was going to say that's
weird.

1938
01:55:08,320 --> 01:55:12,240
Unless Matt is dead at that
point since men keep seeing him

1939
01:55:12,240 --> 01:55:15,040
dead.
So we can we can assume that

1940
01:55:15,040 --> 01:55:19,440
they.
No, I don't think that is that's

1941
01:55:19,440 --> 01:55:21,360
someone in the dress.
Maybe it is Matt.

1942
01:55:21,640 --> 01:55:24,000
Yeah, they have an address
though.

1943
01:55:25,840 --> 01:55:27,680
OK.
I mean, it's Matt.

1944
01:55:27,960 --> 01:55:30,160
It's like, can we really put
anything past Matt?

1945
01:55:30,440 --> 01:55:32,800
I mean.
Yeah, but between.

1946
01:55:33,000 --> 01:55:36,200
But I I only brought this up
because it will be cool in this

1947
01:55:36,200 --> 01:55:39,400
universe.
If Meganian and Landfill worked

1948
01:55:39,400 --> 01:55:42,560
together they would basically
kill all of the other Forsaken

1949
01:55:43,440 --> 01:55:46,120
and then replace them with the
MSVO 5.

1950
01:55:48,280 --> 01:55:52,080
Yeah, but I don't know if I see
Laffier and Mogadian working

1951
01:55:52,080 --> 01:55:54,880
together.
Again, these are possibilities.

1952
01:55:55,120 --> 01:55:57,600
That is true.
That is true it, but it's one of

1953
01:55:57,600 --> 01:55:58,080
those.
Weird.

1954
01:55:58,080 --> 01:56:02,760
But they don't work together.
You just imagine if they did

1955
01:56:02,960 --> 01:56:06,240
make an alliance.
Yeah, that would be very, very

1956
01:56:06,240 --> 01:56:10,720
dangerous for everybody.
But that's about as likely as

1957
01:56:10,720 --> 01:56:13,720
Rand and Moraine being in bed
together.

1958
01:56:13,720 --> 01:56:16,960
That was weird.
But even weirder than that was

1959
01:56:16,960 --> 01:56:19,800
her being in bed land fear.
Yeah.

1960
01:56:20,200 --> 01:56:24,200
I was like, wait, so you got you
got her in bed with someone who

1961
01:56:24,200 --> 01:56:28,600
was like 25 years her junior,
which is weird because she was

1962
01:56:28,600 --> 01:56:31,120
already a grown ass woman when
Ram was born.

1963
01:56:31,880 --> 01:56:34,440
There's more than that.
She's damn near 100 years old.

1964
01:56:34,560 --> 01:56:35,560
Right, she's old.
Old.

1965
01:56:35,560 --> 01:56:37,760
Yes, that too.
That too.

1966
01:56:38,480 --> 01:56:41,240
And then you have her with land
fear.

1967
01:56:42,040 --> 01:56:45,840
And then to see her go from
being in bed with land fear,

1968
01:56:46,440 --> 01:56:48,560
like Laffier starts trying to
choke her.

1969
01:56:48,800 --> 01:56:52,480
And then literally the next
what, 7-8 turns of the wheel,

1970
01:56:52,480 --> 01:56:59,920
Laffier is slitting her throat.
And I was just like, so is, are

1971
01:56:59,920 --> 01:57:02,240
they trying to tell us that this
is the one that's going to come

1972
01:57:02,240 --> 01:57:05,440
to pass because we've seen it so
many times?

1973
01:57:05,440 --> 01:57:11,480
Like, I don't, I don't know.
But at this point, if Moraine

1974
01:57:11,480 --> 01:57:16,280
does anything with Lamphere
again at this point, I'm going

1975
01:57:16,280 --> 01:57:19,960
to have questions.
I'm going to have questions.

1976
01:57:20,320 --> 01:57:24,520
This is a warning to Moraine.
I I guess it must be and and

1977
01:57:24,520 --> 01:57:28,600
they must be like let us drill
this into your head several

1978
01:57:28,600 --> 01:57:32,160
times so you understand this
bitch will kill you.

1979
01:57:33,000 --> 01:57:34,880
No in a.
Million different ways.

1980
01:57:35,800 --> 01:57:39,520
Literally, because the thing we
find out is her and Ran have

1981
01:57:39,520 --> 01:57:41,680
been in there for seven days.
Yeah.

1982
01:57:41,960 --> 01:57:48,600
So imagine how many times she
saw that, saw herself being

1983
01:57:48,600 --> 01:57:52,200
killed over and over and over.
It's like Doctor.

1984
01:57:52,240 --> 01:57:55,720
Strange in this?
Doctor Strange in the NCU, you

1985
01:57:55,720 --> 01:57:57,360
know, I've seen before.
Million.

1986
01:57:58,080 --> 01:58:01,840
Ways.
Yeah, talk about trauma.

1987
01:58:02,840 --> 01:58:05,520
Yeah, that's trauma.
Because that's not something you

1988
01:58:05,520 --> 01:58:10,320
can escape from.
And that, that had to have been,

1989
01:58:10,680 --> 01:58:15,680
well, that was on the 5th day.
Because when Gwen and Land are

1990
01:58:15,680 --> 01:58:18,600
sitting by the campfire, Gwen is
trying to tell Land they need to

1991
01:58:18,600 --> 01:58:20,520
go after them.
She was like, they've been in

1992
01:58:20,520 --> 01:58:23,520
there seven days.
Ivanda came back 2 days ago.

1993
01:58:24,480 --> 01:58:29,360
So I just.
Oh, yeah.

1994
01:58:29,360 --> 01:58:33,400
If if you have anything to do
with Landfair after this, aside

1995
01:58:33,400 --> 01:58:37,200
from telling her to kick rocks,
then it's on you.

1996
01:58:37,680 --> 01:58:39,760
I, I don't know.
It's kind of like, do you have a

1997
01:58:39,760 --> 01:58:42,800
death wish?
Or it could be inevitable.

1998
01:58:44,680 --> 01:58:46,960
So fixed point in time cannot be
changed.

1999
01:58:48,160 --> 01:58:52,640
You know, I feel some kind of
way about these fixed time, you

2000
01:58:52,640 --> 01:58:56,800
know, fixed point in times
especially that violent because

2001
01:58:57,120 --> 01:59:00,240
it's not like you.
Coming to my side about time

2002
01:59:00,240 --> 01:59:02,520
travel, right?
That's what it sounds like to

2003
01:59:02,520 --> 01:59:04,880
me.
Welcome.

2004
01:59:05,200 --> 01:59:10,280
Welcome to the fold.
I'm just saying there's only so

2005
01:59:10,280 --> 01:59:13,840
many times you can watch
somebody get their throat cut

2006
01:59:13,840 --> 01:59:17,920
and it's it's not just OK, I'm
going to stand behind you and

2007
01:59:17,920 --> 01:59:21,600
slit your throat.
She is slashing her from arm's

2008
01:59:21,600 --> 01:59:25,760
length with a sword.
Several times she stabs.

2009
01:59:26,240 --> 01:59:30,880
No, she cut her, slashed her
throat, and when she fell on the

2010
01:59:30,880 --> 01:59:33,520
ground then she impaled her with
the like.

2011
01:59:35,280 --> 01:59:38,920
No, it's just divided.
When she does, she always ends

2012
01:59:38,920 --> 01:59:40,960
or almost ends with a slash of
the throat.

2013
01:59:41,160 --> 01:59:44,040
She stabs her to the chest, then
she slashes her throat.

2014
01:59:44,320 --> 01:59:47,680
She stabs to the back, then she
slashes her throat.

2015
01:59:48,000 --> 01:59:50,000
Every single time.
It's like you're going to be

2016
01:59:50,000 --> 01:59:54,200
dead no matter what I do.
Listen, I can see why Ran had to

2017
01:59:54,200 --> 01:59:57,880
carry her out of Ruidian,
because after all of that I'm

2018
01:59:57,880 --> 01:59:59,880
probably like Nope, I'm never
leaving here.

2019
01:59:59,880 --> 02:00:01,760
Nope, because she can't get me
in here.

2020
02:00:01,760 --> 02:00:08,320
Nope, I'm not.
I'm not going anywhere, but Rand

2021
02:00:08,320 --> 02:00:12,480
does walk out with her.
At what time of day?

2022
02:00:12,640 --> 02:00:15,160
Dawn.
He comes with the dawn.

2023
02:00:15,160 --> 02:00:19,640
Yep, he comes with the dawn and
and LAN and Gwen meet them at

2024
02:00:19,640 --> 02:00:23,240
the gates and there are no words
exchanged.

2025
02:00:23,240 --> 02:00:26,560
But Rand has this tear coming
down his eye and I think what

2026
02:00:26,560 --> 02:00:30,120
was it that he told Avienda
because he apologizes to her

2027
02:00:30,120 --> 02:00:32,760
when they're inside.
He says I'm so sorry I didn't

2028
02:00:32,760 --> 02:00:35,600
understand about the source and
she was like what you so you

2029
02:00:35,600 --> 02:00:38,640
understand now?
And he said I understand enough

2030
02:00:38,640 --> 02:00:42,560
to know I will never understand.
Now he's starting to talk like

2031
02:00:42,560 --> 02:00:43,400
them.
Like God damn.

2032
02:00:44,200 --> 02:00:46,440
But I mean, it's just there's so
much.

2033
02:00:46,440 --> 02:00:51,160
And I think, you know, we saw
the, what was that 7 or 8

2034
02:00:52,080 --> 02:00:55,960
instances that he saw?
If he's been in there for seven

2035
02:00:55,960 --> 02:00:58,480
days, he probably saw way more
than that.

2036
02:00:58,760 --> 02:01:02,360
He did, like I say, it was 2
chapters in the book that he did

2037
02:01:02,400 --> 02:01:04,720
this.
There were a lot of lives he

2038
02:01:04,720 --> 02:01:11,120
viewed to explain value.
Yeah, but I think he understands

2039
02:01:11,120 --> 02:01:14,760
now.
Like 1 the IEO and the Tuathlon

2040
02:01:14,760 --> 02:01:18,760
had the same type of you know.
Well one they were the same

2041
02:01:18,760 --> 02:01:23,160
people and regardless of how
they diverge they all still have

2042
02:01:23,680 --> 02:01:26,360
the same thing.
Like the IEO don't use swords

2043
02:01:26,360 --> 02:01:30,760
and yes they can be killing
machines if they need to, but I

2044
02:01:30,760 --> 02:01:33,520
don't think that's their first
instinct when they are fighting

2045
02:01:33,520 --> 02:01:35,920
with someone.
Yeah, and this is how the clam

2046
02:01:36,000 --> 02:01:41,240
sheets know their oath Breakers.
Yeah, those hit those that go

2047
02:01:41,240 --> 02:01:44,560
through Meridian, they're like,
oh, OK, so we did kind of break

2048
02:01:44,560 --> 02:01:46,520
oats because we weren't supposed
to do this.

2049
02:01:47,120 --> 02:01:50,160
And who was it?
Lewin wasn't supposed to kill

2050
02:01:50,160 --> 02:01:52,120
those people.
He wasn't supposed to go after

2051
02:01:52,120 --> 02:01:59,160
which again, whatever.
But I, but I think it it what it

2052
02:02:00,240 --> 02:02:05,200
I think it really makes it
interesting because in the last

2053
02:02:05,200 --> 02:02:12,280
episode and the episode before
that, you see how Avienda, Bain

2054
02:02:12,280 --> 02:02:17,800
and Chiad all react when they
talk about the ways of the leaf.

2055
02:02:17,800 --> 02:02:22,040
They all have this really nasty
attitude towards them because

2056
02:02:22,040 --> 02:02:24,040
they have no respect for them.
They're like, yeah, they don't

2057
02:02:24,040 --> 02:02:25,920
even, they don't even protect
themselves.

2058
02:02:26,320 --> 02:02:29,160
And it's so funny because it's
like, they are you they.

2059
02:02:29,720 --> 02:02:31,720
Don't know it.
They don't.

2060
02:02:32,640 --> 02:02:37,320
Know why they treat them like
over Breakers, but they are oath

2061
02:02:37,320 --> 02:02:39,120
Breakers and they treat them
like that.

2062
02:02:39,280 --> 02:02:42,400
They don't know why, they just
know that they can't harm them.

2063
02:02:42,760 --> 02:02:44,360
But you can't harm them.
They're they're you.

2064
02:02:44,680 --> 02:02:46,960
Yeah, yeah.
And I think that's the thing,

2065
02:02:47,000 --> 02:02:48,920
because they don't know that.
They don't know that.

2066
02:02:49,000 --> 02:02:51,440
It was like, yeah, these people,
they, they don't protect

2067
02:02:51,440 --> 02:02:54,520
themselves, but this is where
you came from.

2068
02:02:55,000 --> 02:02:59,080
Like the only reason why you are
you are who you are is because

2069
02:02:59,080 --> 02:03:03,320
someone from that line broke
their oaths and ended up

2070
02:03:03,320 --> 02:03:06,520
creating y'all.
And that would explain why the

2071
02:03:06,520 --> 02:03:12,520
shadow attacked the Tuathuan,
because their clan chief was

2072
02:03:12,520 --> 02:03:17,400
dead and the new clan chief
hadn't come out of ruining.

2073
02:03:17,400 --> 02:03:18,520
Yet.
And they don't know.

2074
02:03:19,720 --> 02:03:22,280
And they don't know because the
clan, if they had a clan chief,

2075
02:03:22,280 --> 02:03:25,960
would make sure that they knew
not to harm the lost ones, and

2076
02:03:25,960 --> 02:03:30,000
anyone would be punished for.
It because that's what Avienda

2077
02:03:30,000 --> 02:03:34,720
says she was, she was like, it's
it's dishonorable not to protect

2078
02:03:34,720 --> 02:03:37,960
yourself, but it's more
dishonorable to attack those

2079
02:03:37,960 --> 02:03:40,440
that won't protect themselves.
Yeah.

2080
02:03:41,240 --> 02:03:43,560
But if you had a clan chief
strong enough to make it through

2081
02:03:43,560 --> 02:03:46,880
Ruidian, they would they would
be strong enough to make sure

2082
02:03:47,240 --> 02:03:50,000
they wouldn't do that.
Yeah, but I think.

2083
02:03:52,640 --> 02:03:55,680
But the wheel, the wheel weaves
as the wheel wheels.

2084
02:03:55,680 --> 02:03:58,040
Yeah, that's going to be one of
those phrases.

2085
02:03:58,040 --> 02:04:01,400
Just like she was the most
powerful channeler in the last

2086
02:04:01,400 --> 02:04:05,080
1000 years.
It's kind of like, I understand

2087
02:04:05,080 --> 02:04:09,800
the whole point of not sharing
what you experienced in Rowidian

2088
02:04:09,960 --> 02:04:15,040
except for with those who have
experienced Rowidian, but to not

2089
02:04:15,280 --> 02:04:19,680
give people a reason for why you
do certain things to just say,

2090
02:04:19,680 --> 02:04:21,720
OK, we just, we don't attack
them because that's

2091
02:04:21,720 --> 02:04:24,200
dishonorable.
We don't carry sores because

2092
02:04:24,200 --> 02:04:26,280
that's dishonorable.
Well why is it this

2093
02:04:26,720 --> 02:04:30,280
dishonorable?
I think it's not so much that

2094
02:04:30,280 --> 02:04:32,400
that knowledge has been lost the
time.

2095
02:04:32,640 --> 02:04:35,040
Y'all aren't sharing that
knowledge with your people.

2096
02:04:35,040 --> 02:04:38,360
So how are they supposed to do
better or be better if you're

2097
02:04:38,360 --> 02:04:42,120
not telling them what caused
them to be so disliked in the

2098
02:04:42,120 --> 02:04:44,680
first place?
Yeah, they're basically saying

2099
02:04:44,680 --> 02:04:48,120
because I said so and it's like.
Yeah, yeah.

2100
02:04:48,880 --> 02:04:51,360
No.
It's hard.

2101
02:04:51,600 --> 02:04:53,520
There are.
There are reasons.

2102
02:04:53,640 --> 02:04:58,680
I know.
And this, this society is so

2103
02:04:58,680 --> 02:05:07,480
built on honor and obligation,
and it's so built on following

2104
02:05:07,480 --> 02:05:11,120
your oath, Yeah.
To find out that your whole

2105
02:05:11,120 --> 02:05:15,120
society is based being an oath
breaker.

2106
02:05:15,640 --> 02:05:17,320
Right.
Yeah.

2107
02:05:17,600 --> 02:05:21,720
That that would cause all kinds
of problems.

2108
02:05:21,800 --> 02:05:25,080
Yeah, especially considering you
started a war with someone who

2109
02:05:25,080 --> 02:05:28,440
was an oath breaker because of
the fact that he was an oath

2110
02:05:28,480 --> 02:05:32,600
breaker.
And it's been so long, even in,

2111
02:05:32,600 --> 02:05:36,720
in the real world, in our in our
lives, think about all the

2112
02:05:36,720 --> 02:05:39,040
things that are happening that
we don't know why.

2113
02:05:39,680 --> 02:05:42,520
You know, they're, they're
societies that are at war with

2114
02:05:42,520 --> 02:05:44,360
each other.
And the reasons why they're at

2115
02:05:44,360 --> 02:05:46,880
war with each other has been
lost to time.

2116
02:05:47,680 --> 02:05:51,080
They've just been raised to keep
fighting these people because we

2117
02:05:51,080 --> 02:05:52,600
don't like them.
You don't even know why.

2118
02:05:53,120 --> 02:05:54,760
You.
Know, you don't even know why it

2119
02:05:54,760 --> 02:05:59,560
even started that way and and
you know that that's that's

2120
02:05:59,640 --> 02:06:03,280
just, you know, the wheel weeds.
There's a reason why the shadow

2121
02:06:03,280 --> 02:06:06,960
have to be the shadow.
And you know, we'll we'll find

2122
02:06:06,960 --> 02:06:13,080
out why later, OK?
But there was so much.

2123
02:06:13,720 --> 02:06:15,400
There's a lot to unpack in this
episode.

2124
02:06:15,920 --> 02:06:18,720
So much it.
Really is.

2125
02:06:20,040 --> 02:06:25,200
But I mean all the way from the
the whole reason why the I like

2126
02:06:25,200 --> 02:06:29,640
the IEO war started because
Moraine's uncle was an ass,

2127
02:06:29,680 --> 02:06:33,040
because he was an arrogant,
narcissistic ass.

2128
02:06:34,360 --> 02:06:38,520
So you got to, you got to sit
here and think back to to all

2129
02:06:38,520 --> 02:06:41,960
the other stuff, like when we
saw the vision or the flashback

2130
02:06:41,960 --> 02:06:45,360
of her and Suwan, like getting
ready to plan their lives

2131
02:06:45,360 --> 02:06:48,800
because the IEO war was over.
Moraine already knew at that

2132
02:06:48,800 --> 02:06:52,720
time why the IEO war started.
Maybe nobody else understood,

2133
02:06:53,600 --> 02:06:56,240
but Moraine knew.
And you have to think of what

2134
02:06:56,240 --> 02:06:58,200
kind of burden that must have
been for her.

2135
02:06:58,200 --> 02:07:01,480
Well.
The asked that knew I'll be

2136
02:07:01,480 --> 02:07:04,680
asked that knew why they just
they they just they, they kind

2137
02:07:04,680 --> 02:07:07,240
of stayed out of it.
Yeah, yeah.

2138
02:07:07,560 --> 02:07:11,960
But I mean, for it to be so
personal to Moraine, you know,

2139
02:07:11,960 --> 02:07:14,360
it's not like this was a distant
relative.

2140
02:07:14,760 --> 02:07:18,800
Yeah, well, it's kind of hard.
It's kind of hard to say that

2141
02:07:18,800 --> 02:07:25,120
yield are really rampant through
the countryside because the king

2142
02:07:25,880 --> 02:07:28,200
tore down the tree and made a
throne.

2143
02:07:28,280 --> 02:07:30,640
Yeah, that's not information you
want.

2144
02:07:31,440 --> 02:07:33,440
Yeah, but I mean.
It's still ruined.

2145
02:07:33,440 --> 02:07:36,360
You still ruined your family,
Yeah, but you could have

2146
02:07:36,520 --> 02:07:39,400
literally destabilized the
country completely.

2147
02:07:40,080 --> 02:07:42,160
Yeah.
So no, that was the reason why.

2148
02:07:42,520 --> 02:07:44,200
Yeah.
And, and I understand that.

2149
02:07:44,200 --> 02:07:45,520
I'm not talking about other
people.

2150
02:07:45,520 --> 02:07:48,200
No, I'm talking about just
internally what that does to a

2151
02:07:48,200 --> 02:07:53,000
person to know that you have
someone that you are related to,

2152
02:07:53,000 --> 02:07:55,360
that you are close to, or
whatever the case may be.

2153
02:07:55,560 --> 02:07:58,400
Like this is the reason why this
war started to know that

2154
02:07:58,400 --> 02:08:01,560
internally.
Yeah, that has to be something

2155
02:08:01,560 --> 02:08:05,920
hard, because from what I've
heard, the IO War was a very

2156
02:08:05,920 --> 02:08:08,280
deadly and bloody one.
I mean, Moraine said that they

2157
02:08:08,280 --> 02:08:12,720
literally went to all these
different places, kind of

2158
02:08:12,720 --> 02:08:15,800
clearing out until they could
find this man.

2159
02:08:16,240 --> 02:08:19,040
Yeah, yeah, it was.
It was bad for the Carrions.

2160
02:08:19,040 --> 02:08:22,280
It wasn't bad for anybody else
because they were looking for

2161
02:08:22,280 --> 02:08:26,360
him and he was hiding so.
Yeah.

2162
02:08:26,680 --> 02:08:29,240
And because once they killed
them, they were done, they left.

2163
02:08:29,880 --> 02:08:32,160
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.

2164
02:08:32,160 --> 02:08:36,200
And and at the time she was in
the eyes to die already, so it

2165
02:08:36,200 --> 02:08:38,680
probably didn't concern her that
much.

2166
02:08:39,240 --> 02:08:42,560
Maybe not on the outside, but
still internally, knowing that

2167
02:08:42,560 --> 02:08:46,560
this is your family, that you
know, your family is the reason

2168
02:08:46,560 --> 02:08:50,040
why all this is happening.
That's got to affect you on some

2169
02:08:50,040 --> 02:08:54,960
level.
Like you, you know, like you are

2170
02:08:54,960 --> 02:08:56,680
the reason why my family is in
ruin.

2171
02:08:56,680 --> 02:09:00,200
And granted, at that point,
Moraine, you know, she probably

2172
02:09:00,200 --> 02:09:03,280
didn't care at that point
because she wasn't, she wasn't

2173
02:09:03,280 --> 02:09:06,960
on the Find the Dragon Reborn
mission at that point.

2174
02:09:06,960 --> 02:09:11,680
Well, think about it.
At the time at the end of the

2175
02:09:11,680 --> 02:09:19,040
war when when Rand was being
born, that was when she and Swan

2176
02:09:19,040 --> 02:09:21,280
heard the prophecy at the.
Same time, yeah, that's what.

2177
02:09:21,400 --> 02:09:25,720
But I'm saying right before that
she wasn't estranged from her

2178
02:09:25,720 --> 02:09:27,080
family.
Then she was talking about

2179
02:09:27,080 --> 02:09:28,920
taking someone home to meet her
father.

2180
02:09:29,600 --> 02:09:31,480
So that's why I'm saying she had
it.

2181
02:09:31,520 --> 02:09:34,640
It probably affected her
personally, all of this stuff.

2182
02:09:35,360 --> 02:09:39,560
And then for it for the war to
be over, she was probably like,

2183
02:09:39,560 --> 02:09:42,160
Oh my God, that's a burden off
my shoulders.

2184
02:09:42,320 --> 02:09:45,440
And then she walks into this
room and she finds out, oh, you

2185
02:09:45,440 --> 02:09:47,360
had this burden and it's off
your shoulders.

2186
02:09:47,360 --> 02:09:50,920
Let me place a bigger burden on
your shoulders still having to

2187
02:09:50,920 --> 02:09:57,240
do with this.
You know, it's just like, I

2188
02:09:57,280 --> 02:10:01,480
mean.
Well, shout out to the to the

2189
02:10:01,480 --> 02:10:03,720
people, the writers of this
show.

2190
02:10:03,720 --> 02:10:07,040
I think Rafe, the showrunner
actually wrote this episode, so

2191
02:10:07,040 --> 02:10:08,920
he did a pretty good job of.
Writing this.

2192
02:10:10,120 --> 02:10:16,000
A little bit of lore.
So they call the the last of the

2193
02:10:16,000 --> 02:10:20,440
true IEO die.
That was the Gin IEO.

2194
02:10:21,600 --> 02:10:24,760
So the J and IEO were the last
true IEO.

2195
02:10:24,760 --> 02:10:29,320
They were the ones in the
wagons, went all the way to

2196
02:10:29,320 --> 02:10:33,440
Daiyo waste, built the city of
Ruudin and planted the tree.

2197
02:10:35,320 --> 02:10:37,400
OK.
They didn't really know how to

2198
02:10:37,400 --> 02:10:39,760
take care of themselves too much
in the waste.

2199
02:10:40,400 --> 02:10:46,600
So the IEO that were following
them, Lewins group or the

2200
02:10:46,640 --> 02:10:48,520
eventual modern day IO?
The ones who?

2201
02:10:49,040 --> 02:10:53,320
Are protecting them.
Were protecting them OK if I'm

2202
02:10:53,440 --> 02:10:56,960
not mistaken, sometimes they
would help them with food and

2203
02:10:56,960 --> 02:11:01,080
stuff, but because they didn't
really know how to survive in

2204
02:11:01,080 --> 02:11:04,480
the desert they so sort of
slowly died off.

2205
02:11:05,160 --> 02:11:10,240
That is the the the rumor.
But it is possible that some of

2206
02:11:10,240 --> 02:11:15,320
them actually left and
integrated into the regular

2207
02:11:15,320 --> 02:11:19,240
modern day IEO society.
So it's possible that not all of

2208
02:11:19,240 --> 02:11:24,640
them actually died because there
are theories and rumors in the

2209
02:11:24,640 --> 02:11:27,120
community that there are some
Gen.

2210
02:11:27,120 --> 02:11:29,800
IEO who are still around.
It's it.

2211
02:11:30,160 --> 02:11:32,520
There was even.
I'm not going to.

2212
02:11:32,760 --> 02:11:35,520
Yeah, When they come up, we'll
talk.

2213
02:11:35,520 --> 02:11:38,040
We'll we'll put a pin in and
come back to this.

2214
02:11:38,560 --> 02:11:43,200
But there are rumors that Gene
IO didn't completely die out,

2215
02:11:43,440 --> 02:11:47,800
that there may have been some
that survived that left towards

2216
02:11:47,800 --> 02:11:50,800
the end of Ruidian.
And the ones who stayed were the

2217
02:11:50,800 --> 02:11:52,480
ones that died off.
OK.

2218
02:11:53,000 --> 02:11:55,120
But they were considered the
gene IO.

2219
02:11:55,360 --> 02:12:00,520
OK, so Ruidian was this the city
that they they had talked about

2220
02:12:00,520 --> 02:12:03,160
bid building?
So it was like a actual city

2221
02:12:03,160 --> 02:12:05,560
with like homes and this is
where they lived.

2222
02:12:06,120 --> 02:12:09,920
That's where is a little strange
because they all, all they had

2223
02:12:09,920 --> 02:12:15,080
was wagons and those, those
10,000 wagons, a lot of them

2224
02:12:15,080 --> 02:12:20,120
made in there and and they had
all those, what was in the

2225
02:12:20,120 --> 02:12:26,200
wagons wasn't just the saplings,
they also were carrying a bunch

2226
02:12:26,200 --> 02:12:29,040
of sangria.
And that you were saying?

2227
02:12:29,200 --> 02:12:34,120
And they they dumped them all
there and made ABS wheel shaped

2228
02:12:34,120 --> 02:12:38,280
city that may have had some
domiciles for them to stay in or

2229
02:12:38,280 --> 02:12:40,560
they just have the carts.
They just stayed in the carts.

2230
02:12:41,280 --> 02:12:45,400
But they didn't know anything
about building homes and and

2231
02:12:45,400 --> 02:12:49,840
doing any of that stuff.
So OK, that that's from the

2232
02:12:49,840 --> 02:12:51,440
book.
I don't know.

2233
02:12:52,320 --> 02:12:55,600
I I don't think it is important
enough to this story that

2234
02:12:55,600 --> 02:12:59,600
they're telling them to show, to
go into detail about that.

2235
02:13:00,320 --> 02:13:03,720
Especially because we didn't see
the others, the Ongrials and

2236
02:13:03,720 --> 02:13:05,480
Tarongrial.
We didn't see any of them in

2237
02:13:05,480 --> 02:13:06,400
the.
City OK.

2238
02:13:06,880 --> 02:13:11,200
There was a lot of things
because in the book it was Rand,

2239
02:13:11,440 --> 02:13:19,640
Matt Moraine, what I can't
remember if name if, if he Gwen

2240
02:13:19,640 --> 02:13:22,520
was there or not, but Matt was
with him.

2241
02:13:22,640 --> 02:13:27,680
And when he decided to go in, he
Matt was like, I'm going too.

2242
02:13:27,680 --> 02:13:29,480
And they were like, well, I was
like, no, you can't go.

2243
02:13:29,880 --> 02:13:33,240
And Rand was like, if I'm going
in, Matt's coming with me.

2244
02:13:34,120 --> 02:13:35,880
And so Matt actually went in
too.

2245
02:13:36,440 --> 02:13:40,320
And you we keep seeing the
Redstone door frame.

2246
02:13:42,680 --> 02:13:44,680
Did we see that?
I think so.

2247
02:13:44,840 --> 02:13:48,640
We did see that that was
actually in Ruidian.

2248
02:13:48,640 --> 02:13:50,520
That was there.
Matt went into it.

2249
02:13:51,200 --> 02:13:57,200
Oh, OK.
Yeah, there's some of the stuff

2250
02:13:57,480 --> 02:14:03,040
along with that.
But yeah, we didn't see any of

2251
02:14:03,040 --> 02:14:05,840
Marine's stuff.
Everything.

2252
02:14:06,040 --> 02:14:09,800
Marine went in and Marine came
out and that and we didn't

2253
02:14:09,800 --> 02:14:13,520
really get any information,
hardly any information on which

2254
02:14:13,520 --> 02:14:15,320
he actually saw.
You mean in the books?

2255
02:14:15,400 --> 02:14:20,480
In the books, OK, Rand goes in
and we get 2 chapters of the

2256
02:14:20,480 --> 02:14:26,240
stuff he did so but yeah, the
the for book readers that was a

2257
02:14:26,240 --> 02:14:29,320
big deal for us.
OK, finally out.

2258
02:14:29,320 --> 02:14:31,320
The 12th one were actually
ideal.

2259
02:14:32,080 --> 02:14:36,160
I, I can imagine because when I
started seeing it and it's like,

2260
02:14:36,840 --> 02:14:40,720
again, I'm watching the episode
the first time and I'm very slow

2261
02:14:40,720 --> 02:14:43,080
on the uptake for some reason,
because it was so much

2262
02:14:43,080 --> 02:14:45,640
information.
And then it's like I started

2263
02:14:45,640 --> 02:14:47,880
thinking like, Oh, wait a
minute.

2264
02:14:48,520 --> 02:14:52,360
Because when I first saw them, I
was like, oh, the Tuathawana

2265
02:14:52,360 --> 02:14:54,440
part of this.
And then when they say you are

2266
02:14:54,440 --> 02:14:57,640
no longer IE.
And I was like, wait, what?

2267
02:14:57,640 --> 02:15:02,400
I was like, how, how is that?
Because I was I was sitting

2268
02:15:02,400 --> 02:15:06,280
there watching it and I was
thinking, oh, Red has ancestors

2269
02:15:06,280 --> 02:15:09,080
that are part of the two AT one.
Yeah, cool.

2270
02:15:09,120 --> 02:15:11,560
Well, that is true, but they
were also IE.

2271
02:15:12,480 --> 02:15:13,920
Yeah, something else they
changed.

2272
02:15:15,000 --> 02:15:24,680
So when he was in Ruidian, he
found 2 two items, Sangria

2273
02:15:24,720 --> 02:15:29,680
angrial, a man, a statue of a
man, a little statue of a man

2274
02:15:29,680 --> 02:15:33,640
and a little statue of a woman.
And those were called access

2275
02:15:33,640 --> 02:15:41,120
keys because there are two
sangria which are huge statues

2276
02:15:41,600 --> 02:15:46,120
like Statue of Liberty statues.
Like the ones that were at the

2277
02:15:46,120 --> 02:15:51,720
gate in the episode.
They may have been reference or

2278
02:15:51,720 --> 02:15:56,560
call out, but these two statues,
there's one is on an island

2279
02:15:57,520 --> 02:16:00,080
Tamalkin, and I can't remember
where the other one is, but

2280
02:16:00,080 --> 02:16:03,960
they're called the children call
and one is of a man and one is

2281
02:16:03,960 --> 02:16:07,120
of a woman.
I think laughter.

2282
02:16:07,120 --> 02:16:10,360
Sadai mentioned them when she
was talking to Lou, staring

2283
02:16:10,760 --> 02:16:12,880
because they were supposed to
use them.

2284
02:16:13,960 --> 02:16:15,320
Well, I don't know.
No, nevermind.

2285
02:16:15,320 --> 02:16:17,680
OK, I'm I'm confused.
In the book.

2286
02:16:17,680 --> 02:16:19,920
In the book, they were going to
use them to try to close the

2287
02:16:19,920 --> 02:16:21,320
board.
That's what the women wanted to

2288
02:16:21,320 --> 02:16:22,640
do.
Oh, OK.

2289
02:16:22,640 --> 02:16:25,200
And that's not what Lou's wanted
to do.

2290
02:16:26,000 --> 02:16:28,680
He wanted them to go with him
and seal the bore.

2291
02:16:28,880 --> 02:16:31,320
They wanted to, But the reason
why they didn't use a children

2292
02:16:31,320 --> 02:16:33,480
call is that they're so
powerful.

2293
02:16:33,480 --> 02:16:36,559
One was for a man, 1 was for a
woman that they could literally

2294
02:16:36,559 --> 02:16:39,799
break the world.
So that was one reason why they

2295
02:16:39,799 --> 02:16:41,160
didn't want really want to use
them.

2296
02:16:41,160 --> 02:16:43,840
But Rand found the two access
keys.

2297
02:16:44,520 --> 02:16:50,240
So I think what they did was
they've made calendar be stand

2298
02:16:50,240 --> 02:16:53,600
in for the children called and
the Sarkoden be a stand in for

2299
02:16:53,600 --> 02:16:57,559
the female children call.
So they don't have to figure out

2300
02:16:57,559 --> 02:17:00,440
how to do these huge statues and
have access keys.

2301
02:17:00,680 --> 02:17:04,760
It's a whole thing.
So just made it short because in

2302
02:17:04,760 --> 02:17:10,440
the book the Sarkanon is is
actually Sangra for man is

2303
02:17:10,440 --> 02:17:12,879
second to calendar.
Oh, OK.

2304
02:17:13,400 --> 02:17:17,559
In, in terms of use for power,
OK, even though we don't see, we

2305
02:17:17,559 --> 02:17:20,639
hear about it, but we don't see
it until the end of the of the

2306
02:17:20,639 --> 02:17:24,320
last book.
OK, but the Sarkon then is a

2307
02:17:24,400 --> 02:17:27,480
male sangria that they're
looking for.

2308
02:17:28,000 --> 02:17:31,600
Everyone knows what calendar is,
but no one knows what the

2309
02:17:31,600 --> 02:17:32,840
Sarkon.
Is because they're basically

2310
02:17:33,000 --> 02:17:35,480
because they're basically saying
the episode they're like OK yeah

2311
02:17:35,480 --> 02:17:40,240
so we have calendar and it's
here it's it's in stone in this

2312
02:17:40,240 --> 02:17:44,639
particular city and we're just
going to let war and fear to

2313
02:17:44,639 --> 02:17:47,480
protect it so it's kind of like
OK this one is just out in the

2314
02:17:47,480 --> 02:17:51,320
open anybody can go get this one
or anyone can try to go get this

2315
02:17:51,320 --> 02:17:55,040
one but the Sarkanin is seem
like that one was a little more

2316
02:17:55,040 --> 02:18:01,160
sacred and correct me if I'm
wrong but is this the same so

2317
02:18:01,160 --> 02:18:05,719
angry all that land fear was
telling Rand about in the dream

2318
02:18:05,719 --> 02:18:11,080
last episode yes OK so that.
But they could they could they?

2319
02:18:11,200 --> 02:18:14,959
Because at first they thought
the children call would be able

2320
02:18:14,959 --> 02:18:20,200
to destroy the Dark 1, and here
she's saying the same thing with

2321
02:18:20,240 --> 02:18:21,719
the.
With calendar.

2322
02:18:22,080 --> 02:18:26,000
Starkoning in the calendar, we
could probably destroy the Dark

2323
02:18:26,000 --> 02:18:30,120
One.
OK, now given the fact that

2324
02:18:30,120 --> 02:18:35,200
Moraine has the Starkoning, I'm
going to assume that's probably

2325
02:18:35,200 --> 02:18:39,719
why Lamphere is killing her in
so many versions of the the

2326
02:18:39,719 --> 02:18:41,480
Will.
She's probably looking for that

2327
02:18:41,480 --> 02:18:46,760
so she can so she can break from
her dark oaths if that is really

2328
02:18:46,760 --> 02:18:50,600
what she wants to do, or so she
can use it for some other

2329
02:18:50,600 --> 02:18:53,160
nefarious means.
Interesting.

2330
02:18:54,120 --> 02:18:56,080
OK.
Or she's killing her because she

2331
02:18:56,080 --> 02:18:59,639
doesn't have it.
That's neither here nor there.

2332
02:18:59,719 --> 02:19:03,000
Yeah, as of right now, we know
she has it so.

2333
02:19:03,000 --> 02:19:07,080
Yeah, if she has a Sarkon, then
that is the most powerful

2334
02:19:07,360 --> 02:19:11,680
Sangreal that a woman can have,
and if she can figure out how to

2335
02:19:11,680 --> 02:19:18,200
use it, then she should be equal
to or even more powerful than

2336
02:19:18,200 --> 02:19:22,520
the Forsaken.
OK, and she will probably need

2337
02:19:22,520 --> 02:19:23,920
that if Laffier is going to kill
her.

2338
02:19:24,440 --> 02:19:27,360
So yeah, so now she's like,
she's probably like, I need to

2339
02:19:27,360 --> 02:19:29,760
learn how to use this thing
because.

2340
02:19:30,280 --> 02:19:31,840
I'm not about to have my next
nice.

2341
02:19:32,760 --> 02:19:34,320
Right.
Right, OK.

2342
02:19:34,600 --> 02:19:37,040
Well, that could have been
motivation for her to get to

2343
02:19:37,040 --> 02:19:41,200
work.
Yeah, after she recovers for

2344
02:19:41,639 --> 02:19:44,879
from being in there for seven
days, right.

2345
02:19:45,200 --> 02:19:47,400
So yeah.
But you know her, she's going,

2346
02:19:47,440 --> 02:19:49,720
she'll be like, she'll be like
at 5:00 in the morning.

2347
02:19:49,720 --> 02:19:50,840
All right, let's go.
We got to go.

2348
02:19:50,840 --> 02:19:53,560
Let's go ahead and hit it.
No, it's just going to be her

2349
02:19:53,560 --> 02:19:58,400
because I, I, I would assume
that she would probably want to

2350
02:19:58,400 --> 02:20:02,720
keep that to herself because it
will, it will almost be kind of

2351
02:20:02,720 --> 02:20:07,400
like Matt with the horn, like
you don't want to draw any undue

2352
02:20:07,400 --> 02:20:12,480
attention to yourself with this
really rare object that could

2353
02:20:12,480 --> 02:20:16,120
be, you know, that could elevate
somebody else's power.

2354
02:20:16,120 --> 02:20:19,280
I mean, if it gets out that
Moraine has it, granted she's

2355
02:20:19,280 --> 02:20:23,400
with the IEO right now and I
don't think anybody there would

2356
02:20:24,400 --> 02:20:28,200
try to take it from her or.
Tell anyone else, but you never

2357
02:20:28,200 --> 02:20:30,480
know.
And Laffier keeps popping up and

2358
02:20:30,480 --> 02:20:32,360
shit, she keeps popping up in
dreams.

2359
02:20:32,760 --> 02:20:35,360
If she says something to like,
rant, or if she says something

2360
02:20:35,360 --> 02:20:37,480
to Dwayne and they think about
it.

2361
02:20:37,480 --> 02:20:40,400
I don't know how that works.
She might be able to sense that

2362
02:20:40,400 --> 02:20:44,000
in them through their dreams.
So yeah, I wouldn't tell nobody.

2363
02:20:44,000 --> 02:20:47,000
I had it.
That will be my little secrets.

2364
02:20:48,000 --> 02:20:52,800
Now I have one other question
that I have when when Land and E

2365
02:20:52,800 --> 02:20:56,760
Gwain are sitting by the fire
and they're talking about them

2366
02:20:56,760 --> 02:21:00,760
being gone and Ewain says you
know we should go after them.

2367
02:21:00,760 --> 02:21:03,960
It's been 7 days and Lamb was
like well they wanted us to stay

2368
02:21:03,960 --> 02:21:07,080
here and you see him and he
looks like he's crying.

2369
02:21:08,200 --> 02:21:12,360
Was he able to feel what Moraine
was going through?

2370
02:21:12,800 --> 02:21:15,440
Andrew it in.
I don't know.

2371
02:21:16,040 --> 02:21:19,000
OK.
I don't know because I don't.

2372
02:21:19,280 --> 02:21:23,880
I don't know if, if.
I mean, because the, as far as

2373
02:21:23,880 --> 02:21:25,760
we know, the Marines can master
bond.

2374
02:21:26,720 --> 02:21:27,960
We don't.
We don't know.

2375
02:21:28,120 --> 02:21:31,760
He could have just been sad
because it's been several days

2376
02:21:31,760 --> 02:21:34,160
and she could be dead and he
can't feel her.

2377
02:21:35,120 --> 02:21:37,720
OK, yeah, that if she could.
Feel her.

2378
02:21:37,720 --> 02:21:43,880
He would know that she was alive
and he he would be OK because

2379
02:21:43,880 --> 02:21:45,400
this is.
Unless he felt what she was

2380
02:21:45,400 --> 02:21:47,480
going through and then he
probably would have been like

2381
02:21:47,480 --> 02:21:51,200
man fuck y'all and y'all rules.
I need to go to Ruidian, which

2382
02:21:51,200 --> 02:21:54,440
would have been a bad thing.
That would so if he did feel her

2383
02:21:54,440 --> 02:21:57,080
and felt what she was going
through, he would have tried to

2384
02:21:57,080 --> 02:22:02,080
go after her.
His, the the they can't help it.

2385
02:22:02,960 --> 02:22:07,160
Yeah.
But if he can't feel her, he he

2386
02:22:07,640 --> 02:22:10,840
and and chances are she probably
masked a bomb before she went in

2387
02:22:10,840 --> 02:22:13,000
anyway.
Yeah, yeah, OK.

2388
02:22:14,640 --> 02:22:17,520
Yeah, 'cause he just looked so
heartbroken.

2389
02:22:18,200 --> 02:22:20,120
Yeah, 'cause it's been 7 days,
yeah.

2390
02:22:21,000 --> 02:22:24,760
And they know that people, wise
ones, go in and don't come out,

2391
02:22:25,160 --> 02:22:29,600
and guys want to be clam chiefs
go in and don't come out.

2392
02:22:29,960 --> 02:22:33,080
Like Savannah's new husband,
she's twice widowed now, so I

2393
02:22:33,080 --> 02:22:35,400
guess, I guess the new step.
On to the next one.

2394
02:22:35,760 --> 02:22:37,120
Right.
I was going to say, I guess the

2395
02:22:37,120 --> 02:22:41,360
other stepson is about to become
the the new husband.

2396
02:22:41,360 --> 02:22:45,760
That's so weird but OK.
I know 22 buddies, 2 buddies.

2397
02:22:45,760 --> 02:22:50,040
Such a wuss.
I don't know if I want to say

2398
02:22:50,040 --> 02:22:54,720
he's a wuss, He's just a little
overzealous.

2399
02:22:55,360 --> 02:22:56,880
You know, you know, you know how
I am.

2400
02:22:56,880 --> 02:22:59,360
It's like I I don't care you.
I'll use a what's until proven

2401
02:22:59,360 --> 02:23:01,200
otherwise.
That's how that's how I felt

2402
02:23:01,200 --> 02:23:03,720
about Rand and Matt.
So till they proved otherwise

2403
02:23:03,720 --> 02:23:05,320
and I was like, OK, they're not
not cool.

2404
02:23:05,600 --> 02:23:11,480
I can admit it.
Yeah, I guess so.

2405
02:23:11,480 --> 02:23:14,720
Yeah, literally that was pretty
much the entire episode was

2406
02:23:14,720 --> 02:23:20,000
watching them go through their
their trials, I guess.

2407
02:23:20,040 --> 02:23:25,000
But again, lots of information.
And I'm sure there's probably

2408
02:23:25,000 --> 02:23:27,760
other things that I'll probably
think of afterwards.

2409
02:23:27,760 --> 02:23:31,480
Like, OK, so this part does this
mean this?

2410
02:23:32,040 --> 02:23:35,240
But I'm just, I'm a kind of give
my brain a break because this

2411
02:23:35,240 --> 02:23:38,320
was this was a lot.
It was a lot.

2412
02:23:39,320 --> 02:23:42,960
The whole thing with Marine's
uncle and then the reveal about

2413
02:23:42,960 --> 02:23:45,880
Rand and his father, which I
kind of figured Tam wasn't his

2414
02:23:45,880 --> 02:23:51,040
father, you know, because of
what happened when we saw the

2415
02:23:51,040 --> 02:23:55,240
flashback.
But to kind of watch it through

2416
02:23:55,240 --> 02:23:59,280
Rand's eyes and for him to make
that realization that, oh, my

2417
02:23:59,280 --> 02:24:03,960
dad was I ill?
And then like, now is he going

2418
02:24:03,960 --> 02:24:06,600
to start questioning, OK, if my
mother wasn't I ill, who was

2419
02:24:06,600 --> 02:24:07,920
she?
Like, are we going to get that

2420
02:24:07,920 --> 02:24:10,000
information in the show?
I don't know.

2421
02:24:10,000 --> 02:24:12,200
I'm not asking Anthony.
So you don't have to try to

2422
02:24:12,200 --> 02:24:16,200
spoil anything.
But I think the fact that, you

2423
02:24:16,200 --> 02:24:20,680
know, we have heard about the
missing daughter heir and now,

2424
02:24:21,080 --> 02:24:23,720
you know, just kind of going
through these episodes and

2425
02:24:23,720 --> 02:24:27,280
seeing that that could possibly
have been Rand's mother, I think

2426
02:24:27,280 --> 02:24:31,280
that's an interesting
connection, especially as it as

2427
02:24:31,280 --> 02:24:34,720
it relates to like Elaine and
and her mother and.

2428
02:24:34,960 --> 02:24:38,880
And yeah, and they would make
him royalty and the rightful

2429
02:24:38,920 --> 02:24:42,400
heir of Andor.
Well, no, because he's a man, so

2430
02:24:42,400 --> 02:24:44,360
he wouldn't be the heir of
Andor.

2431
02:24:44,640 --> 02:24:47,240
Now let me ask you a question
for the Andorians.

2432
02:24:47,320 --> 02:24:51,440
If there is no if there is no
daughter born, can the sons

2433
02:24:51,440 --> 02:24:52,800
inherit?
You.

2434
02:24:52,880 --> 02:24:54,120
You.
I have no idea.

2435
02:24:54,120 --> 02:24:55,760
You may have to go to your
encyclopedia.

2436
02:24:55,760 --> 02:24:56,840
Look that up.
OK.

2437
02:24:57,280 --> 02:24:59,520
I don't think that's something
Robert Jordan considered.

2438
02:24:59,760 --> 02:25:04,080
OK, OK, so.
You you would find the female

2439
02:25:04,240 --> 02:25:08,240
heir somewhere, OK.
If not, you would have another

2440
02:25:09,720 --> 02:25:13,280
war for the throne until
somebody won.

2441
02:25:14,640 --> 02:25:19,920
OK, so.
Which is what happened when the

2442
02:25:19,920 --> 02:25:22,600
Queen before Morguez died.
She didn't have the daughter

2443
02:25:22,600 --> 02:25:24,840
here.
Yeah, because her daughter here

2444
02:25:24,840 --> 02:25:28,120
disappeared.
And so there was a war for the

2445
02:25:28,120 --> 02:25:32,600
throne, and one one of the
distant relatives got the

2446
02:25:32,600 --> 02:25:33,360
throne.
So so.

2447
02:25:35,200 --> 02:25:38,240
OK.
And all of that, now that I

2448
02:25:38,240 --> 02:25:40,760
think about it, all of that took
place around the same time,

2449
02:25:40,760 --> 02:25:46,640
didn't it?
So there's a succession war over

2450
02:25:46,640 --> 02:25:51,240
in and or, and then there's the
IU war over in Cariann.

2451
02:25:51,240 --> 02:25:54,320
OK, All right.
Because I just thought about it

2452
02:25:54,320 --> 02:25:56,720
was like, they're all this,
they're all about the same age.

2453
02:25:56,720 --> 02:26:03,600
So.
OK, OK, Mike, I'm sure you have

2454
02:26:03,600 --> 02:26:08,480
some shout outs.
Yes, shout out to Jenai pulling

2455
02:26:08,480 --> 02:26:11,240
that cart without without a
horse.

2456
02:26:12,280 --> 02:26:14,200
Bro.
Listen.

2457
02:26:16,160 --> 02:26:18,320
And then Adon is just like he
grabs.

2458
02:26:18,440 --> 02:26:20,320
The grabs, I'm like, what are
you doing?

2459
02:26:20,320 --> 02:26:22,400
Just get in the car.
It'd be easier if you just got

2460
02:26:22,400 --> 02:26:23,240
in the car.
I mean he.

2461
02:26:23,480 --> 02:26:28,680
Was trying to help so.
Lots of but I was like damn

2462
02:26:28,720 --> 02:26:32,840
you're strong as horse.
Also shout out to makeup and

2463
02:26:32,840 --> 02:26:36,280
costuming in this episode in
particular for putting all that

2464
02:26:36,280 --> 02:26:40,200
put all the prosthetics on on
him so that he could look like

2465
02:26:40,200 --> 02:26:43,360
so you could look different in
like 5 different ways.

2466
02:26:43,840 --> 02:26:46,680
Stand out to Yosef for for
acting his ass off.

2467
02:26:47,440 --> 02:26:50,440
Yeah, Yosemite off.
Do you hear me?

2468
02:26:50,560 --> 02:26:53,960
Yes, absolutely.
Yeah, Yoshi needs to get

2469
02:26:53,960 --> 02:26:55,920
nominated this year.
This is he.

2470
02:26:55,920 --> 02:27:00,120
He's doing, he's doing an
outstanding job and just in 4

2471
02:27:00,120 --> 02:27:03,440
episodes he's doing really good.
Shout out to my dog parent for

2472
02:27:03,440 --> 02:27:05,080
having dreads.
See, now you got to cut my

2473
02:27:05,080 --> 02:27:10,240
dreads 'cause he had some and he
looked intimidating as fucking

2474
02:27:10,240 --> 02:27:13,480
that dread.
I was like, oh shit.

2475
02:27:13,680 --> 02:27:16,960
And they're probably all
channeling the true power.

2476
02:27:19,080 --> 02:27:20,840
I'm just like, oh, this is just
bad.

2477
02:27:20,920 --> 02:27:24,080
That's I don't I don't like I
kind of like it, but I don't

2478
02:27:24,080 --> 02:27:24,600
like it.
I'm.

2479
02:27:24,600 --> 02:27:28,240
Like name this album cover.
Right, exactly.

2480
02:27:29,040 --> 02:27:33,560
This is this is some damn, this
is the like, just call him, call

2481
02:27:33,560 --> 02:27:34,520
him black folk.
Great.

2482
02:27:34,560 --> 02:27:38,440
Like damn, like.
The Dread Lords, the Dread, it's

2483
02:27:38,440 --> 02:27:40,560
so dark, it's.
Like it's ADC movie.

2484
02:27:41,880 --> 02:27:46,760
I mean, shoot the Forsaken that
that's the Forsaken of

2485
02:27:46,760 --> 02:27:48,200
Manatherin.
There you go.

2486
02:27:49,120 --> 02:27:52,560
Right.
Which sounds so so bad.

2487
02:27:52,560 --> 02:27:57,400
Like no forsaken Manatherin,
those two don't go together.

2488
02:27:58,640 --> 02:28:04,960
No.
Yeah, and yeah, again, this is a

2489
02:28:04,960 --> 02:28:07,360
great episode.
I mean, they're, they're,

2490
02:28:07,480 --> 02:28:11,600
they're starting to ramp up.
And I'm like, 'cause before I, I

2491
02:28:11,600 --> 02:28:14,800
was doubtful about the show, but
I'm like, I'm all in, 'cause

2492
02:28:14,800 --> 02:28:16,760
it's something new.
It's something kind of new for

2493
02:28:16,760 --> 02:28:18,440
me.
And I'm actually learning a lot

2494
02:28:18,880 --> 02:28:23,000
about like this whole series.
So I'm really excited and I'm

2495
02:28:23,280 --> 02:28:26,000
really looking forward-looking,
forward to watching and learning

2496
02:28:26,000 --> 02:28:29,200
more about this world 'cause
this world is actually getting

2497
02:28:29,200 --> 02:28:33,000
really fascinating to me.
And we're already halfway

2498
02:28:33,000 --> 02:28:37,360
through the third season.
Yep and just gotta wait for the

2499
02:28:37,360 --> 02:28:41,080
next season.
Yeah, hopefully it won't.

2500
02:28:41,640 --> 02:28:44,840
Hopefully it won't be such a
long wait 'cause I mean, we're

2501
02:28:44,840 --> 02:28:53,120
in early 2025 now, so maybe we
can get it, I don't know, mid

2502
02:28:53,120 --> 02:28:57,520
late 2026 instead of 2027.
They haven't even renewed it

2503
02:28:57,520 --> 02:28:59,200
yet.
They haven't.

2504
02:29:00,200 --> 02:29:01,520
They haven't.
Announced it.

2505
02:29:01,800 --> 02:29:04,280
They need to.
They need to I thought they.

2506
02:29:05,200 --> 02:29:07,000
Did OK.
Because how would you look at

2507
02:29:07,000 --> 02:29:09,000
these 4 episodes and be like,
OK, yeah, we're not.

2508
02:29:09,000 --> 02:29:11,480
We're just not going to.
We're not going to do anything

2509
02:29:11,480 --> 02:29:13,120
for the next.
I mean, look at what look at

2510
02:29:13,160 --> 02:29:15,720
what to do with Shadow and Bone.
They only gave him 2 episodes

2511
02:29:16,320 --> 02:29:18,000
and we were looking forward to
1/3 and.

2512
02:29:18,000 --> 02:29:21,560
That's what you know.
Yeah, but but let's be honest,

2513
02:29:21,560 --> 02:29:24,360
Shadow and Bone, even as a book
series is nowhere near as

2514
02:29:24,360 --> 02:29:31,280
popular as the real time.
So you know they the The Wheel

2515
02:29:31,280 --> 02:29:35,800
of Time has a massive, massive
following and fan base.

2516
02:29:36,040 --> 02:29:40,520
Yeah, yeah.
No, as of as of elev April 11th,

2517
02:29:40,520 --> 02:29:43,920
it has not been officially
renewed for Season 4.

2518
02:29:44,040 --> 02:29:50,360
Wow OK Amazon, I need y'all to
get on this shit.

2519
02:29:51,480 --> 02:29:53,520
The show probably cost cost some
money.

2520
02:29:53,760 --> 02:29:57,680
You know, if they would cut that
dead weight, the ring of power,

2521
02:29:58,400 --> 02:30:00,440
they can have some.
They could add that to their

2522
02:30:00,440 --> 02:30:02,720
budget.
But they can't do ring of power,

2523
02:30:02,720 --> 02:30:04,720
can they?
Because isn't ring of power like

2524
02:30:05,040 --> 02:30:07,560
they they automatically have
five seasons?

2525
02:30:07,560 --> 02:30:09,320
They they'll like them the five
seasons.

2526
02:30:09,400 --> 02:30:12,480
Yeah, so you didn't like the
Ring of Power?

2527
02:30:12,480 --> 02:30:13,880
Oh, you know what?
That's a conversation for

2528
02:30:13,880 --> 02:30:16,360
another day.
This conversation for another

2529
02:30:16,360 --> 02:30:18,360
day.
Do y'all have anything else to

2530
02:30:18,360 --> 02:30:21,680
say about this episode?
We are halfway through the

2531
02:30:21,720 --> 02:30:24,320
season.
It is not the Ring of Power.

2532
02:30:24,440 --> 02:30:29,480
How about that?
And on that note, that is it for

2533
02:30:29,480 --> 02:30:31,520
our show.
You can find us online at

2534
02:30:31,520 --> 02:30:35,560
www.phantomhybrid.com.
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2535
02:30:35,560 --> 02:30:37,240
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2536
02:30:37,560 --> 02:30:39,360
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2537
02:30:39,360 --> 02:30:41,920
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2538
02:30:41,920 --> 02:30:44,600
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2539
02:30:44,840 --> 02:30:46,280
Thanks for listening.
We hope you join the

2540
02:30:46,280 --> 02:31:18,160
conversation next time.
Music.