The Wheel of Time Season 3 Episode 6 - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #364

0:25 What's up hybrids? Welcome back to another episode of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast. This is Hanukkah and I am here with Anthony and Mike. Yay, Mike's Back are discussing Season 3, episode 6 of the Wheel of time series. We are back at it. You know, after after episode 5, we decided Anthony and I decided that we were going to wait for Mike to come back from surgery before we finish with the rest of the season. And then of course, you know in in that time we have found out that will time will not be coming back for season 4. So I I think this. You see me with my tiny violin. You know what?

1:08 Shut up, Shut up, but. They got to pay taxes, he got to renew good shows. I mean, what the fuck? You got to do this motherfucker? Sick I. Don't. Know yeah, save money for the freeing of powers. Shoot. Yeah, I. Really. Let's not even get started on that. So anyway, let's let's get into this episode because now we see Leandron's origin story. And I must say I I have a little bit of empathy for her, but that does not change my way. That does not change how I feel about this character. No, no, no and no. Go ahead, Mike.

1:49 Take it away. No, first of all, OK, we, you, you, if we felt empathy for her, would have felt empathy for her when when we found out that she was still taking care of her son over by the towers like when he was a old man, would have empathy for then. 95 years old. I'm five years old would have empathy for then for what she went through, but no, she ruined that when she not when she knocked out Naive and Evelyn turn him over to the dark friends in episode in season 2. Buck all that. I have nothing for her. I ain't got nothing for you, man. No, I don't. I don't go. I don't give a blind fuck. Plus, it's like this episode is for her become a little woman. Yeah, you know what?

2:36 There's some things I kind of don't want her to do. But after seeing how Ran gave that lame ass fucking apology. No, we're not going to go there yet because no, we're not going to go there yet. We stay on track. Stay on track because I have a feeling you and I, we're going, we're going to have some difference of opinion on ran, so stay on track. I have no sympathy for her. Fuck that. Fuck all that. No. After all she's done, No, she can't. She can't even. Even if I find out she's my mom, I'm still beating. No, I can't do it. This just to piggyback off like where Mike said no, no, no, no, no, no and this woman is evil.

3:18 She's done some despicable, terrible things in her lifetime and there is no sympathy for her to be had. I like, I, I appreciate, I'm not going to say like, I appreciate that the writers of this show are giving these characters more depth because they're all one note in the book. You know, all these side characters, villains, they're all one note. I, I appreciate them giving her depth. But no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Right. And I mean, I feel like seeing her origin story, which we already knew that she was in a marriage that she did not want, did not realize she was a child bride. I don't think until this episode confirmed it. I can have some some sympathy for her for that, for having the baby.

4:14 And then I guess I don't know if if when she no stop. Stop. I understand but still let me get my thoughts out. The when when she killed the guy and and her husband, was that the first time that she was aware that she had access to the one power? So when he was going for a baby, Yeah, yes, I think so. I think that's. OK, so I can sympathize you being a child bride, child, you know, a child mother, finding out that you have access to this power in one of the most traumatic ways. Like this man was literally about to take your child and drive them. That part I can get. I can even almost excuse the fact that because Ishmael approached her in a time when she was in need and she accepted the help, she wasn't aware of what she was getting herself into.

5:07 I can get all that, but once you get grown and you start not only just working for ish I male OK. At this point you're probably indebted to him. You don't have any control over that. But when you get to the point where you're like, oh, instead of thinking that everything that you're doing on their behalf is wrong, you're like, oh, no, I'm going to do everything that I can in order to become a Forsaken. You lose me at that point. That's when you really lose me. I can have sympathy for you up until that point, but when you start saying, oh, I'm going to being forsaken and I'm going to do everything that I can in order to achieve that goal. Becoming Black Asha, turning on your sister's, just the different things that she's doing and also keeping your son alive until he's 95 just because you don't want to let him go. I I get it, y'all, y'all tried to make us feel sympathy for her, but I'm going to piggyback off of Mike and Anthony. No, no, no.

6:17 And then to see what she does in this episode. Yes. OK. Of course. Ishmael is gone Now you're answering to landfill. Landfill wants you to do certain things. She's giving you clues that. Oh, such as? Such as, you know, not following me. They're betraying us with somebody else. OK, I get all that, but it's almost the pleasure that she took in dispatching Naomi. You evil. You are really, really evil. And the fact that you just told her, like, OK, yeah, I'm gonna become a Forsaken kill. And then you turn around and it's fine is right there. And you just talk to her like nothing like, oh, you just saw me murder her, but what you gonna do? Uh huh.

7:08 So what, you find out for me? I was like, no, no. Can you imagine Leandron as if she, I don't even know what you have to do in order to become a Forsaken. Can you imagine Leandron as a Forsaken? She is so much more irritated than she is now, and she will be so much more. I don't know. She would have so much more ego I think. You know, it's, it's, it's pretty big right now, to be honest. Exactly. Exactly. So for her to get to that point, you know, she's going to be walking around telling everybody, Oh yeah, you know, I became a Forsaken.

7:52 Oh, you know what? I wanted to be Forsaken and I made that. No, I just, no, no. But anyway, Speaking of Forsaken, I have to now close my eyes and turn my head when Mogherian is on the screen because she does some of the most disgusting things. It makes it hard to watch her scenes spitting in the pot, tearing the the the clogs and everything and sitting there and eating with her fingers and spitting everything back out and just out. What is wrong with this?

8:34 Like if you. Did was she like sniffing someone's underwear? Like what? What was she doing? I don't. Know she was doing all of that, but she was, I think she was sniffing like some of the I guess like the blankets or something and then she was tearing it and I was like, if you look up the word chaos in the dictionary, her picture is going to be there. Oh, I was going to say, if you look up the word foul, 'cause she just foul. Chaos foul. Creepy. Degrading. Oh, that's a good one. Creepy, yeah. I mean there there are a lot of adjectives to describe this. This being, I don't even.

9:15 Want to shout out? Shout out to the actor. They deserve whatever award is available for them. She's creepy and the thing and the crazy thing is with her being that creepy is she's still able to fly under the radar. Like nobody is really paying attention to her at the the estate. You know, even when Leandron is having the meeting with the rest of the black Asha and she's telling them about the the bracelets and the collar for, you know, the male channelers, the way she's looking, she's not even being subtle. She's walking around the table like oh what y'all talking about over here?

10:00 Nobody's paying her any attention. Yeah, but it's not like, it's not like she can like they could be like, what are you doing? And she can make them forget. It's not, it's not like she can't do, she can't do that. So she could be as late as late as she wants to be. I know, but the the fact is that she was being so blatant and Leandra who usually pays attention to stuff, nothing. She had no issues with a little servant girl just walking around all in their business. It was just so strange. Very, very sneaky. Very, very sneaky. Yes, here's another adjective. Yeah, I'll just go along with Mike, Say it ain't like I don't know if she's compulsing them, but it's not like if they do start questioning her, she can't compose that of. Them I don't think she's, I don't think she's doing that. I don't think she's composing them waste their egos and very used to that.

10:57 Like would be accepted the novices walking around. So they're kind of used to a servant just being a servant. And see, I don't even know if if I feel like that's it. I feel like she's like not compulsing them, but it's something that she's doing to herself to kind of make herself invisible, make herself the fly on the wall. Like OK, y'all see me here. Y'all know y'all know enough about me to know that I'm here. Because when she confronts is fine. Later is fine is like, wait a minute, I know who you are. But again, when when they're there, they're just. It's almost like she's unimportant you. Know yeah, only only the only thing I can say is maybe she has composed them already.

11:43 But I think it also helps that they're used to someone like that. She's just a lowly servant and that's how she acts so they all have egos. They. If they they wouldn't be black eyes if they weren't full of themselves and and everyone was beneath them. So yeah. That's true, but when when she she goes from being invisible to being very visible because one she confronts inspire and she's like, oh, OK, yeah. So now I only must not have been the only person who was, you know, cohorting behind somebody's back like here to me. Are you meeting Semi Al or are you meeting rabbit? Oh, you're going to tell me what y'all are doing. And it's like at that time, that's when you realize, oh, Leandra doesn't have as much of a hold on this cabal as she thinks she does because you got two who obviously are serving Raven.

12:48 Because when she's confronted, it's mom was like, yeah, so Leandra found out about Naomi, not that she was pointing fingers. She found out about Naomi and she killed her. So I'm here to tell him then she I mean first. Of all, it's a it's a whole, it's a whole den of thieves. It's like you can't, you can't trust. There's no reason for any of them to trust each other because they were Asia and they betrayed the whole betrayed everybody else. Like, why would why would I trust anything? Why would they trust anything that others have to say? Because you, all of them have to have a eye to the side to make sure that Noah's Gary put a knife in their back while they're probably trying to put a knife in someone else's back.

13:32 It's like, it's like a circle stab. It's like you can't, you gotta keep your eye on everybody because they've, they've proven that they're not trustworthy. They've proven that they are, that they'll do anything to get what they want, like anything. Betray, betray the host, betray all their sisters and do anything to get what they want. So it's like, I wouldn't trust them. I wouldn't trust now one of them. I I mean I'm surprised the Andron hasn't killed half of them already. She. Probably needs them and. Whatever. When Ishmael died, he just became free for all, for the Forsaken because he was the one in charge. Now he's going to. No one's in charge.

14:13 So yeah. And they do that. The black guys who was his pet project so someone had to take it over. And of course, who better than Landfair or Robin? I mean, at this point, it's kind of like half and half now, at least for what we can tell. Because it's what? Leandre, Naomi, Jen and Kay Kayda. And wasn't there one more I? Think it was 1. More. Oh yeah, the the Asian lady with the kind of crazy hairdo at the beginning. I can't remember what her name was. So it's five of them. OK, so now you just got rid of two of them because it's fine.

14:55 Got the Prince Ober and Martel treatment with the. Oh I was thinking of of what's her name from Wolverine? Deadpool, Charles, sister. Xavier's sister. Oh no, see, she was going outwards. The Mogherian was going inward. So no, she got killed the same way over. And then later on, the whole thing that she does with Elaine and Naive is so creepy again, is the word that comes to mind because she's talking to them with this very childlike voice, which she does kind of often when she's trying to be in her little manipulative mode.

15:47 But the fact that Elaine and I need have no idea that this is going on because she's, you know, she's messed with their head a little bit, it makes it even more creepy 'cause they're sitting there all smiley and giggly and oh God. And she's just sing song talking to them about who they are, what they do. Oh yeah, you 2 are very powerful. Especially you again with Naive, the most powerful channeler that anyone has seen in the last 1000 years. Apparently even the Forsaken can since this I don't have anything to drink my my cup is empty. So you guys are going to have to do it for me.

16:29 But well, that means. Too. But then the way that she treats both of them, it's so very like, very different and very obvious because of course, she's looking at my knees with a lot of interest because again, Naneeve is so powerful. And she was like, oh, you blocked yourself, Why did you do that? And Naneeve is like, I guess she's under some kind of compulsion to also tell the truth. So she actually voiced. Her the compulsion. The compulsion is I think the compulsion is to please her to to please or make her happy. Do whatever you can to to please me. Yeah, but but why?

17:18 Because everything they did was. Having. Things because because it's they're just giving her what what she wants. So she asks a question. Of course, when I tell you the truth, because it's going to make you happy. OK, but she she finally admits out loud what I think we have all kind of guessed she has a block because she's afraid of her power. So she's kind of put it to the side. She doesn't she doesn't want to to have anything to do with it because it scares her. And what does MO getting it says when she hugs her? She said, in my time we would have beaten that out of you. Like, oh, you want to be scared of your power? Oh, no, we're we're going to make you forget that fear. Oops.

18:02 OK. But then when she talks to Elaine, she looks at Elaine very differently. And then she actually says to Elaine, she said, you know, Robin wants you killed. He's already, I've already sent my Gray man twice. But you are, you're resilient. She's like, that's OK, 'cause I like him not getting. Like the way like the way he wants. Yeah, yeah. But also one thing I noticed when she's having a conversation with them in front of the fire, she tells I need to go get the bracelet. She goes to get the bracelet and Elaine is still sitting there doing the smile and everything. She actually looks at Elaine like, Oh my God, whatever, like like Elaine is dirt.

18:48 And I was like, what's this? What I don't know. What is her strong dislike of Elaine? Is it just because Raven is taking so much of an interest in her? Or is it because she's pissed that Elaine has twice eluded the Gray man? I I don't know it's. Probably all of the above. It's probably all of the above. The look on her face was crazy. I think that, I think it has some of it has to do with the fact that Nineve almost snapped the fuck out of it and she had to like turn it up in order to keep her under. She was like, OK, you're interesting. Thank you. But that didn't happen until after she gave Elaine that look because my knee was up getting the bracelet and then when she came and sat back down and tried to take the bracelet. Bracelet.

19:34 Yeah, she held on. Yes, and my knees facial expression also changed a little bit because it wasn't like a genuine smile. It became one of those like, oh, I'm being controlled and I'm trying to fight my way out of life. Hi. Hi. I think she probably she probably I, but still, I still think that she she thinks that Naniva is more interesting because she has she has the most she's the most powerful Chandler that there ever is. In the last 1000 years. Yeah. So I think, I think I think that she can sense there's something special about her. So that makes her more interesting than Elaine, who is talented but nowhere near as talented as Naive is. So she's probably like, you know, like you. I can you, I can take a lead.

20:22 But you you're interesting. I might be able to use you later. That's correct. Really don't, don't, don't, don't think that I'm sorry, Don't think that Elaine is not as talented as naive. But I know. She's she's not the most powerful channeler that we've seen in the last 1000 years. She's up. She's up there now. I know, but yeah, I know she's talent. But I'm, I'm thinking that she is. She senses more. She senses, she senses more from Naive than she does from Evelyn. She might. Not naive is here and Elaine might be right here. Yeah. But didn't you say that in the books Naive is actually powerful enough to take on the first Sakin? Oh, she's as powerful as they are. OK.

21:10 OK. So may not. Including Magedian, because Magedian is really weak. She's she's the weakest of them. Of them, yeah, I remember you saying that, OK. But you know, I need is like I think land fear would be 1 and I'm pretty sure I need is 2. Whoa. And Jordan's books and his and his, if I remember correctly, I think that's about right. And then below that you have like, you know, Grendel and Avienda. Oh, there's there's one other one who she's a 400 year old Damani.

21:53 I can't remember her name off top of my head. She's like maybe three or two. She's up there too, OK, So hopefully I had hoped we would get to see her, but you know that's not going to happen. Yeah, I think I remember you mentioning her when we were talking for a second. Yeah, that's so disappointing anyway. Let's not even go there. Like I said, I, I think I mentioned this in one of our other recordings, Anthony and I actually did a video where we talked about the cancellation. I think I'm a little more upset than you are, but I'm going to post that at at some point. But yeah, it would have been more interesting to see them bring more of the Forsaken and to see how that was going to round out.

22:41 Because anyway, OK, yeah. Because the the wheel needs for ran to have just as many powerful people as there are forsaken for LC wouldn't be a contest. OK, Yeah. And and it was, it really did seem like we were headed towards that towards the end of this season with everyone kind of coming into their own powers. But we'll talk about those things later on because we still have two episodes for this season to talk about. But OK, let's see, where do we want to go next? Do we want to talk about Two Rivers?

23:22 Yeah, let's talk about Two Rivers because I want to talk about the E Gwaine and Rand and Lamphere stuff last, because that's probably going to be the most explosive. But yeah. Hey, I just I just want to say that this file is like a carbon copy from the book. I mean, it's that is the best casting really, yes. I love. Her. I love her, yeah. I love her. And I'm, I'm, I'm feeling this phial and parent thing because now that it's moved from his dream to actually happening, I'm here for it. Yeah, even though we're not getting any more of it. But I I'm here for it.

24:09 Yeah, the only the, the only thing that I, I would deem them on is I don't like that they made her mother a dark friend. It wasn't like that in the books, but I guess they needed to to kind of give her a reason to to to. To go out. Yeah, besides, you know, hunting for the horn. But you know, whatever it is what it is. They, like I said, they're trying to give these characters some depth and direction and I just, I think her just wanting to seek adventure and not being sheltered as a noble woman would have been enough to add on there that her mother was a dark friend.

24:51 Because if that wasn't a case in the book. OK, I guess I, I guess in a way it makes it interesting because it kind of explains her brother and it explains just kind of her her. Yeah, but you wouldn't have had to. You wouldn't even have to even have a story about the brother. To make a mother a dark friend, then you have to have the story about the brother. Whatever. Mean, like you said, adding a little more depth to the characters. Yeah. So I mean, I thought it was, I thought it was a cool way to kind of give her a little bit of background and also kind of, I guess bridge that little edge of that little gap with her and parent because, you know, she brings the brother, but she was like, oh, you would have liked my brother kind of like easing into that territory and then telling the story. And then you kind of 1, you get parents who really open up about what happened to Layla because he's relating to her story about her mom being a dark friend.

26:00 You know, just this decisions that you have to make and how it affects your life, how it affects, you know, everything else. And this is the first time that we actually hear him say out loud that he killed Layla, right? Because I don't think he said that out loud to anyone else, you know, and and her response to it when she said did she fight? Well, he says yes, she said then don't dishonor her by holding on to her, her memory this long. Like, this is the one thing we've been talking about with Parent, you know, as far as his character, he's been holding on to that guilt for so long, even though it really was an accident.

26:43 What happened to lately, it wasn't something he did on purpose. It wasn't something that I felt like he should be holding on to. And I'd like that he's actually absolved from someone else, someone who doesn't really know the situation, but who can say, OK, look, this is it. It happened. It was an accident. But also, you need to let her go in order to move on, in order to forgive yourself, in order to let her be at peace. And I think he really needed to hear that. And he wasn't going to hear that from anyone because nobody knew the truth about what happened. What were you? About Yeah, he he needed it for his peace, too.

27:25 I mean, it's like this would have haunted him for the rest of his life, that this is something that he would never have shared with anybody anywhere anyhow. But you know, I mean he shared my dog, shared it with her and I ship. We use top with the my, the wolf, brother wolf, wolf, wolf. Wolf, dog, coyote, whatever. What? What is it about the The Wind Spring Inn and the common area here? Is it like a magical love thing in the air? Refuses want to make out and do things down there. Yeah. I don't know that's. Like.

28:06 Because isn't that also where we saw Rand and E Gwang? Yes, he was. Yes, he was. Maybe it's just the atmosphere, I don't know, but meanwhile upstairs when I tell y'all I thought Alana was dying because when she went through that spasm of pain and she turned her head to the side and just kind of ASAP I said if y'all kill her. No, Last episode I thought she was dead. I thought all those arrows in her. I thought she was gone. I was. I was like, I thought they killed her right then and there. I was like. But but but we talked about how the the bond with the the warder gives them a + 15 in health.

28:50 Yeah. Gives. Them gives them a boost. That boost, yeah. Yeah, 2D2 D 8 + 12, Yeah. I was, I was so worried because like I said, the way that she was, it seemed like she died. And then when she came back and she was like Maximus time, I was sitting there just shaking my head. We're not doing this. We're not doing this. Even during the whole conversation. We're not doing this. We're not doing this. And then, of course, the girls come in because this is after the rescue of Matt's sisters. And we find out that Maddie is dead. So the sisters come upstairs to thank Alana for saving them. And, you know, Maxim tells, you know, tells him. Yeah, she she can't heal herself. I said I can heal others, but they can't heal themselves. They give these each other this knowing. Look at Maximus life.

29:45 Wait a minute, are y'all telling me you can channel? Like y'all can fix this? Are we just standing? But Alana kind of. She guides them into healing her. And then the first thing she says when she's fully healed, she looks at math and say, I told you so. I told you there were channelers in this hills. I was like, OK, good. She's back to herself now. She's being a smart ass. We're going to be OK because I was really worried that she was going to die and I was like, I don't know how I I don't think I can see another another step in if that would have happened because if Maxim would have lost both of them, we.

30:27 Yeah, didn't. Didn't you find it strange that, you know, a parent was knocking on this door and he seemed to be almost fully I'll almost within hours? Just like that, just like you said, those mountain nerves are powerful. Do you find that suspicious? That's my God I. You know. Werewolves have a very good healing healing thing. So he ain't a werewolf? Come on, son. No, but. If. If I mean, if you think about it and it it kind of strikes in the same way that night when I need was healing people, you know that OK, so somebody somebody got a magic touch.

31:12 There might be either in Gwen's Mama or whoever the other lady was. I. Can't. Yeah, the the the Conjurer, what's her name? I can't remember but she's like oh this POTUS will help with the infection. Sure it will, Right? Right. I mean it, it helped. It might have had a little extra in it. Yeah, we had extra in it all right. Extra. It had extra in it but. I mean, honestly. Because in the book. Surprised me. In in the book, when that's why Nanny when she was first made of wisdom and she was really young, she was That's how she healed Gwen from. Yeah.

31:56 The brake bomb. But she didn't know that's what she was doing, right? No. She she was doing it all the time and didn't know she was doing it, so this person could be doing it too. I mean, it's the two rivers. We already know that the two rivers got something special going on about it. So like Alana said, there are channelers in these woods like this is the this is the place that used to be Mineteran. This is where the powerful people are. I mean, you got parent, who's the wolf brother? You got Matt, who is the, you know, the horn blower and has picked up these different little skills. You have Naive, you have Iguan, you have Rand.

32:37 All who can channel Rand is the freaking Dragon Reborn. Naive is the most powerful channeler we've seen in the last 1000 years. And I mean. Well in in the show there are 5 Tavirin all born right there and that's huge even though they don't really talk about Tavirin. Tom kind of mentions you later. Tom was like y'all are either pulling on the pattern of a pattern is pulling on y'all but don't want no part of it. Right. I don't think Tom has a choice though 'cause he keeps coming into contact with them. Yeah. But I swear to if Matt doesn't doesn't learn how to shut the.

33:20 Let let's not let's not talk about Matt yet 'cause we we got one more thing to talk. About because it's like Matt Tom was like we shut the fuck. Up. I know we're not gonna get there yet. We're still in the Two Rivers because we need to talk about Mr. Clean Shaven Pat and Fame showing up. This mother fucker, I swear to God, I I still I love seeing him because he just seems so out of place. Like he's it's almost like he's a shapeshifter. It's just like he comes in, he's like, hey, yo, he's like the best and worst con man. He's like, he'll come in and be like, yeah, you all right? What's that? Oh, oh, no. Ranches of trolley. I'm good, you know? Hey.

34:02 So this is this is the problem, right With with all of that. This is the problem. I know they really didn't establish it, but the children of the light in the book are so, well, they're sort of a joke, but they're so like, like they make a big deal about everything being perfect, everything being shiny. You know, even if they fight or battle, everything is still pristine. And like if anything is out of place, you get beat. Like it's a problem. You can't have a whole. You wouldn't have a whole. Like I wouldn't say regimen, but you wouldn't have a whole bunch of them walk up and they're not clean shaven. Their hair is a mess.

34:49 All of them, All of them hair is a mess. The cloaks are a mess. They're called white cloaks. Their stuff is supposed to be pristine when they won't like that in the book. Those people they would have turned on them. Like who are y'all? Because y'all are obviously not white clothes. Well, I mean, if they literally just OK, we know they no. No, no, no, no, no, no, no no no. If they clean they would be clean shaven. Dan is not clean shaven. Dan is walking around there drunk. Well, well, he's, he's, they understand he's having some issues. He he lost his father. He just. Supposedly fought. He's the only one that looks like that. He's the only one They can't have 30 of them walk up and look like that.

35:34 If you literally just fought fought some trollies like right? There, but trollies don't make your beer grow and your hair grow long and be greasy and ugly. Come on now. Come on now. Yeah, they they look like. They doesn't have long hair. His hair is cut short, like almost like. What about the rest of them? What about the rest of them? Because the command the the the squad leader. They've been walking. They thought about. That's a that's a bad reflection on him as a leader. Right, they would throw him out, they would beat him. They would they would strip him off his. Front and I and I get it and that's what I was going to say about Pat and Faye. Pat and Faye is one of those characters where kind of like Mike, he always seems out of place, but it's almost like no, it's kind of like mageddon.

36:24 He doesn't belong there, but nobody pays attention to the fact that his fool. And why was he here? Like something about just the way he carries himself, the way he speaks to other people, something right about this dude. But even child Valda with all of his so-called knowledge and intelligence and the things that he's seen, he's seen and he the only thing he remarks is he looks him like what he's gonna ask who are you? Where did you come from? He's just looking at the blood like, OK, what happened to you?

37:05 Oh, we we got into it with some Charles, but we good and that's it. I was like this dude is either one of the best chameleons ever or something about him being a dark friend. Kind of masks him in the same way. I would say like Mogadian is masked if you want to put. It that way no, no and no. Whatever I'm saying I'm not talking about book stuff. I'm talking about the way he appears on the. Show even on the show no on the. Show he's. Very. He can't. He can't. He's not going to mask another 50 other people. No, it's not now when all fifty of them look look dirty, deranged and crazy.

37:49 Talking about something in the books though, Anthony, as we can see from the show, even before parenting them, attacked the tents. You have several of them walking around unshaven, UN unkempt, walking around drunk as a skunk. Like literally. You had Children of the The Witch, Mccullough's. You had them walking out of the tents stumbling with bottles of alcohol. We're not. Talking about the way they insulins is clean. No, no they didn't look like no Skaggs that was just just picked up some dirty ass uniforms and walked to the camp. Come on, whatever.

38:30 No, no, no, no what? I'm saying is. I will die on that hill, no? Something about Pat Payne, even though we know he's not right, when other people look at him, they don't see it. Donald is grieving and they need reinforcements and he did not think any clearly. I can't explain Valda, the only person. Who is grieving? They had multiple members of their group murdered in this. Wait, wait, wait. He was the only one that saw his father murdered. He's a soldier in war and all of them saw some people get murdered. He saw his father get murdered in front of him. It's not like it's not watching Tony from tent #13 I saw him take it.

39:25 It was. Also six months later for for for these folks, dude, I mean, we, we were saying that we're parent. You got to move on because you got other stuff going on right now. Yes, I. Just now moved on and it's been 2 years. Come on now, we're just saying. That he needs to move on for a minute. So what I mean, I'm, I'm just saying, I'm just saying. Plus it's like. Having friends has no magic ability. Nothing, and all dark friends get in return for their oath is a promise of something. That's all they get. They don't get anything else.

40:06 They don't get no kind of stat boost because I. They don't get. They don't get. Differently. No, dark friends don't get stat boost. OK. The needle roll for disadvantage. Let's see the whole thing again about the, the, the Knights of the light or whoever the hell they are. It's like they've been, they've been getting their ass kicked for the last two years. Like it's like it's start. I mean, they've been, they've been, have been winning a lot of important battles. Like it's like they like every time they come up against parenting them they get their ass kicked. Well, in the book, like I said, the book they are they are the greatest of as a unit soldiers.

40:49 They they're they're just not they got some bright spots. They got some guys like Valda who's a blade master and a couple other ones. But say. Who's an asshole? What? Oh, is it? Blade Master. Blade Master. I'm just saying Valda is an asshole. He will. He is that. He is asshole 1st and the blade master second. Yeah. That's just my opinion but OK. So let's OK we can move on from pad to fame. We need to go to the other side of the world. Do y'all want to hit Tan Chico with the group? What do you believe of Tan Chico? I'm telling you, if I don't hear people singing that just randomly singing it at Dragon Con, I'm going to be so disappointed, no.

41:39 I'm going to start a couple rounds myself. Shit, it's like. I, I mean, hey, it's, it's a cash. It's it's a what it what is it that the young kids say? It's a bop. It's a bop. It's catchy. I was. But I was not expecting it. Lying maybe? You said it like that. I mean, I'm just saying, but it's a bop. Like the kids say, oh God. I'm I'm 50 now, I can do that. Yeah. I can do that now. I can say get off my lawn and I can say all those other old people sayings. I've earned it this. Is true. I'm I'm not going to argue with you about that. OK, Tan Chico, There are several interesting things that happen in Tan Chico besides the fact that we find out this is where Leandre is from and this is where Son was born and all this other stuff.

42:39 Naive like laughs and acts normal for the first time I think in three seasons, 'cause I don't think we've ever seen her silly or we've ever seen her even that loose like he. I think the most loose we've seen her is probably with EG Wayne and LAN, and she's never let her hair down like this. So big ups to men for getting her drunk because she definitely needed it. But I feel like it also, I feel like in a in a sense it kind of put them in danger too, because she was so loose at that time and they were having so much fun. I don't think they were really paying attention to what they were doing.

43:22 Like they're, they're supposed to, you know, they're, they're supposed to be finding out information on Leandro, which they are able to do. But they don't do it as covert covertly as I think they should have because when they're talking, they're talking loud enough for the person at the table next to them to hear. And that person is loud. Leandro. Did you say Leandro? God, did you have to be so loud about it? Yes. Do you know anything about her? Yes I heard she heard. She came down and cleared out the whole and other state talking so loud like dude, you're in a bar and you're talking louder than anybody else. It's no wonder that Inspire was able to hear her. But it's like also, y'all know y'all looking out for information for Leandra.

44:12 Why are y'all not paying attention to who's around you? Why are y'all not looking out there? And I mean, I get it. They probably didn't know who was there because I. Don't think they really know. I don't really think they know what they look like either. Yeah, that's what I was going to say. But because it's one, it's fine, I had the thing over her face. And two, I don't think if Naive would have known who it was, I don't think she would have seen her as much in in the Tower because of what happened when she walked into the thing. But still, it's kind of like pay attention to people who might be just kind of because if if somebody's sitting over here and they're just sitting with their face to the wall and there's a whole big commotion going on over here and you don't even turn your head just a little to see what's going on.

45:03 You suspicious you are trying hard not to be seen. I just felt like they, it was nice to see her let her hair down, but she I don't think they were as cautious as they could have been. And then I think because her inhibitions were already kind of lowered, I think that made her a little more susceptible when Mogadian came in because Mogadian even noticed that. Oh, OK, you're fighting me. No, Hanukkah she is not less susceptible because she was drunk. Mogadian The compulsion is a very, very and. I get that, but what I you?

45:48 Don't have to have the you you. They don't have defenses. They're not. You're not more or less easily compulsed unless you. But the fact that Naive was fighting back. That's only because she's powerful. OK, but this is what I'm saying. If she's powerful enough to almost kind of sort of breakthrough what Magedian was doing right then and there, and she was inebriated to say the least. What, because she had been capable of if she hadn't been drunk? The same thing. It wouldn't matter. I disagree. It wouldn't matter. It wouldn't matter I. Disagree. That's just how this magic system works. It wouldn't matter.

46:33 There's one thing called fork root, which is the only thing that suppresses your power, that can suppress the one power. That's that's the only thing she the the alcohol wouldn't have made her less or more susceptible. She was. Everyone around the Forsaken is susceptible to compulsion. Right now. OK, so based on what you just said, the fork root is the only thing that suppresses the one power. Like a natural, like you were talking about beverages. They they will give, they will. Like If they have someone trapped without wanting to shield them, they'll be giving them fork, routine or force. Them to drink fork routine I'm.

47:19 Not talking to them, but but the alcohol wouldn't. But the alcohol wouldn't have made her less susceptible to compulsion. You, you, you're trying to. So. So what I'm saying is, yeah, Naniva is very powerful. And that's the one thing that made her almost breakthrough the compulsion. She's not more easily compulsed because she's inebriated, and if she wasn't inebriated that would have made her breakthrough or break the compulsion. That's that's not how compulsion works. The the the alcohol didn't make her more susceptible to compulsion, and not being inebriated wouldn't have made her less susceptible compulsion.

48:04 They're all susceptible to compulsion. The only thing you can do is what? What's her name? Did you block it? Hopefully if you see it's, if you can see it happening, maybe you can block it. But they didn't even know what was happening by the time it was too late. So that would have been the only thing they even would have been able to do, would have been able to block it. Unless she's the most powerful Chandler in the last 1000 years, then she might be able to block it. Kind of. But but I mean, even without her blocking it, it was obvious that she was fighting through it. Yeah, because she's very powerful. The alcohol had nothing to do one way or the.

48:45 Other I'm not. It didn't make her less acceptable. OK. All right. We'll, we'll just we'll move on from that because I think I don't, I don't think you're getting what I'm saying, but it. You're saying if she wasn't inebriated, imagine what she could have done If she was trying to breakthrough the compulsion I'm seeing, her being inebriated wouldn't have made a difference one way. Yep, she could have been sober and it would have same and the same result would have happened. She would have almost broke through the same way. The alcohol didn't make a difference. OK, this is this is my, this is my. I disagree with you, but OK, I'm just saying because I mean, Elaine is supposed to be powerful too. Why didn't, why wasn't she able to kind of sort of breakthrough, you know?

49:43 'Cause she's not as powerful as Nanny. But you just said not too long ago that she's just about as powerful as Nanieve. Being no, I said she was close. I didn't say she was as powerful as she was. Nanieve is the most powerful channeler in the last 1000 years. So they keep saying I'm gonna. Have to pee in a second. Never mind. And Megalion is really good at compulsion, like Robin so.

50:24 Yeah, but. Grendel is the best for a Grendel in the book Grendel. Grendel can compose like a whole. Grendel is not one that we've met yet, right? No, she's mentioned but we haven't met yet. OK, OK, OK. And. We never will. I don't know. They got this, they got this petition going on trying to save the show and they got billboards everywhere. So I I don't know, we'll see. But I mean, why not? Anyway, So yeah, going back now that the going back to what Mike was talking about earlier, the fact that in 10 Chico is where we meet up with Tom Maryland again. Apparently he did not die fighting those fades. And what's that season one that we saw? Yeah, yeah, season.

51:15 One So he's alive and well and singing about the horn of the Lear and who should so happen to come across him but his good old buddy Matt the horn blower. Can you imagine when Matt says come on, let's have a drink and I'll tell you the whole bloody tale? And you're sitting there like wait a minute. So you and your red headed friend, the one who was causing so much trouble, he's the Dragon Reborn and you're the bloody horn blower. I bet the Tom was like. Of course they are. Why wouldn't? They Why would they be?

51:56 Right. Well, I mean, you know that you knew dark friends were coming after them. You knew fades were coming after them. They weren't coming after them just because they were your run-of-the-mill, you know, children from wherever. No, there was a there was a reason they were coming after them that strong. And so now you're. Didn't he save them from the innkeeper chick in season 1 they was trying to get? Dart friend. Yes, yes. That's why I'm like, if you're not putting it together Tom, like OK Dart friend, check, fade, check like and now you're like, oh, whatever y'all got going on. I don't want nothing to do with it, bro. The moment you turned your face and you saw Matt Coffin, you were, you were in it, you were in it. And then you turn around, you see Elaine because they're all they're all undercover in Tan Chico. Elaine is, you know, talking up the crowd and someone recognizes her as the daughter heir Andor, and he's the most. Recognizable, unrecognizable person that doesn't want to be recognized but gets recognized all the fucking time, right? You know you're the daughter here. No, I'm not.

53:10 Yes you are. You look just like her. No, I'm not. Right. And OK, so this is my question. Was she kind of sort of sheltered? Like she wasn't one of these princesses that was just traveling all over the country, wasn't was she? OK, I'll take this. She Elaine. OK, As a nerd, as somebody who doesn't go out a lot, you tend to investigate things. Like me, for example. I didn't, I didn't really play outside a lot. My mom bought 2-3 different sets of encyclopedias and I read every last page.

54:01 And I'm thinking that Elaine is like that as well. It's like maybe they wanted to shelter or not let her get into trouble or maybe get kidnapped or all this other stuff. So they gave her a big ass library. So she read every fucking book in there. And of course, the lyrics to The Hills of Tan Chico and all this other stuff is in there. I mean, she probably, they're probably, they probably had peoples. I mean, I, I think that she probably was. So I think Richmond can get anything. OK. She's the daughter heir anytime. You're a daughter and I get that part. I'm talking about the fact that she's so recognizable when she has not been paraded around like your normal people would. You know, like her mother, I get the sense was very overprotective of her and probably kept a short leash on her. So it's not like she's one of these princesses that's traveling all around the country, You know, everybody looking at her.

54:57 Because I would think for someone in her mother's position, someone who ended up with the throne because of a war, she would know that she probably has enemies. And with Elaine being the daughter heir, she probably kept her out of sight because of course, how you going to kidnap the daughter Air if you don't know what she looks like? You you get what you you understand what I'm saying. So it's kind of like for her to be all the way on the other side of the world and somebody's like, Oh, you look like the daughter air of of Andor I it just, I don't know, it kind of seems strange. And then the fact that Tom recognized her and when Matt was like, you know, the daughter Aaron and or he said, I served at her mother's court years ago.

55:45 How this is who she is like most people change. They their faces mature, they look different and depending on whenever it was that he was there at her court, how would he remember? It's just that that just all seemed kind of strange to me. Well, if you have, you know, the the Queen of Andor has a lot of people come through her court and a lot of artists come to the court too. And there's probably a lot of artwork of the two of them, of the royal family around everywhere.

56:29 So if you travel enough, you've seen pictures of her and the artists are really good. I mean, the likenesses are really good. So I'm pretty sure if you seen a portrait of the daughter Air and the queen, because everyone needs to know what the Queen looks like. And remember, she's going to be queen one day. So people are going to know what she looks like because they've seen these portraits. That this that's that's the only thing I can think of because I don't think this dude, he he doesn't really look like he gets out of Tan Chico too much. Who? The guy who? Was who was flirting with him yeah that's what she was like how would you like the daughter Aaron and. But I'm, I'm sure they've, they've seen portraits of them.

57:10 OK, yeah, 'cause, you know, they don't have Facebook. That's why Rand was able to walk around, because no one was drawing the picture of Rand. No one was taking portraits of him. You know, Matt was you spending all his money having the portrait of him made? Yeah. Yeah. And that's the only one. The only one. And then even the good likeness of him either. No, it actually is. I like that again tonight. I was like, yeah, put his head. Up in the air, I'll smug. Yes, a good likeness. Yes, it is. But that that would be, that would be my guess that they've seen portraits, OK. And Tom is probably, even though he's not in the court, he's probably been keeping track of them. Yeah.

58:03 Watching a girl. When I'm when Leandrin, Leandrin kidnapped her and 19 did, did they did her mother find out about that? No, but she knows some was it. I think she knew something had happened. She, she knew about it, but I think it was kind of sort of after the fact because she referenced it when she came to the tower because she was like, I want to make sure that she's all right and blah, blah, blah. And yeah, so I think she, I think she knew, maybe not immediately, but yeah, I, I, I think that came out because she had a quite a lengthy discussion with someone about it. Like she went off.

58:47 Yeah, but I don't, I don't. I don't think she knew about the kidnapping, though. What I. What I was thinking. Because if she knew about the kidnapping Elaine, she Elaine won the stage, she wouldn't have been able to make the lane stage. She tried. She tried to make Elaine go and Elaine put her foot down and said I'm staying, I'm going to complete my training. She was like, if I'm going to rule Andor then I need to, I need to set my own path. I need to do my own thing because my mother was kind of like, oh, OK. I I believe you because I'm not going to go back and rewatch the episode. So yeah. I was, I was, I was saying that because I would have thought that if, if she was missing her mother, her mother might have put a reward poster out for her like. No.

59:32 If she was, if my mom knew, if she was missing, she would have gathered in the Army, Yeah. That's why I said, I think it was kind of after the fact. But yeah, I, I think, yeah, I because she, she did have some words with Swan about it. And Swan was basically like, oh, well, we took care of, we went, you know, we went and we got her. She's safe. Because she basically was like, Oh yeah, you're you're leaving, you're, you're coming back home. And Elaine had told Naive when Naive was talking about. Going after Leandron and she was pissed off about the fact that Elaine was leaving her. And that was one of the things that made Elaine go to her mom. Well, first she went to her quote UN quote stepfather and talked to him and then she talked to her mom was like, look, I need to set my own.

1:00:26 Oh. Yeah, I'm sorry. You threw me off. You said stepfather. I was like, wait, what? Yeah, Robin, remember. No, he's that stepfather. He's he's the Queen consort. Consort. They're not married. Oh, I thought they were married. No. Ain't no ring on that finger. I'm not married. OK. But well, you know, stepfather type role, whatever. But then she, you know, she turned around, she talked to her mom about it. She's like, I need to forge my own path if I'm going to rule. So, yeah, her mom was like, OK, I don't like it, but OK. But she thought that Elaine was going to stay there in the tower. So she has no idea. Elaine sent that Chico. She probably will find out now because of people in 10 Chico are noticing the daughter Aaron and or, you know, mouth start wagging.

1:01:17 The word might get out that, oh, we saw someone that looks like your daughter in 10 Chico and I don't know, she might visit the tower again and be like, excuse me, I thought, didn't I tell you that she was not to leave this tower? It'll be like, have you met your daughter? Right. I don't know what you thought I was going to get. You right. But yeah, so now you have this group on Tan Chico. You you've got men, Matt, Elaine I need. And now Tom, because Tom, at this point, I feel like now he has a vested interest because even though he's no longer part of her mother's court, like you say, Anthony, he probably feels a little bit of responsibility. And he's like, OK, if she don't got mixed up with these knuckleheads, especially with Matt, let me go and just make sure she's going to be OK.

1:02:09 Because, you know, Matt is almost like a trouble magnet. It follows him around. So, yeah, now we have our Bard again, which was really nice. I was glad to see him back because I really did wonder if he was dead because like you said, you left me for dead fighting and Fade. Yeah, but you were the one who told him to leave. Yeah, I think because of the strike he ended up doing something else when they came back, so they had to ride him out OK, until he was available again. Oh, OK. The actor. OK, well I'm glad he's back. This should be an interesting group now, but it's going to be really interesting because while they're doing all of this, you know, Elaine's doing the singing and not even men are not being quiet at the bar.

1:03:01 Matt is sitting here like talking to some guys about the bracelets and the collar that he's looking for. And after Elaine's very rousing performance of the heels of Tan Chico several times, when they get ready to leave, the guy comes up to Matt and he was like, hey, I don't have your collar, but I do have this bracelet that's like the one you talked, you told me about. And he gives the bracelet to Nyneve and Elaine. And of course, we, like we discussed earlier, Mogherian finds out from it's fine that they have the bracelet. She goes, she composes them, she gets the bracelet. And they're sitting there now trying to figure out what the hell happened to this bracelet.

1:03:42 Like we were just here, we were talking about it was just here in the bag and now it's not. But I think the way that they looked at each other after all of that, I think they know that somebody got to them because Nineve has the cut on her face that wasn't there a few minutes ago. You know, they started out sitting on the bed and they wake up and they're walking back towards the bed. They're just like something don't seem right. And now the bracelet is gone. Yeah. Somebody got to y'all. Y'all were not subtle enough talking about Yeah 9 even the. I will handle anything that requires more subtly. Where? Where? When and where? Where? 'Cause I don't think any of you know the meaning of that word. Men's getting 19 drunk and then they're walking through the thing all drunk. 19 is all giggly and she I was like, this is a weird sight, but OK.

1:04:40 So now we know that there's a second bracelet. The second bracelet is gone. Oh, I wanted to point out the the lyrics to the song. It basically tells you it's like 3 is too many when it's not enough. You need 2 to bring a man to his knees. Oh, oh, they're talking. Look, they're talking about the bracelets, not. About the bracelets, right? Well, it's sort of a mixture. Yeah, well, yeah. I'm talking about two women with the hills of 10 Chico. With hills of 10 Chico. Yeah, but no, they're, they, they are talking about the bracelets as well 'cause, you know, Leandron shows the, the portrait of the statue.

1:05:28 And then of course we saw part of the statue in Leandron's origin story at the beginning. So you do have the man down on his knees with his collar and you have the two acid I on the side of him, both of them wearing bracelets. So basically what they're saying is it takes two women 2 acid I because I don't think anybody that's not acid I could wield those bracelets, right. Like you can't, you can't just have a random person wield those bracelets. Like I can't go and wield a bracelet and Michelle go wheeled a bracelet and you know. I would. I would stay away from saying I, said I and the woman who could channel. OK, well, I say I said I because that's that's what Leandron describes in the picture, she said. These are two, I said I standing behind. Him she's assuming their I said I. OK, OK, OK.

1:06:29 Like you wouldn't call the Sudam, I said. I. Oh, true, true. But they can they can wield it. OK, So it's not just Leandra nor the other sisters who could wield those bracelets if they needed to. Like, let's say if Rand was starting to go into his madness and he was starting to kill people and they had that collar, Naive and Elaine would be able to seduce him with the collar, OK? OK, the twins could any anyone who could channel. Ah, yes, OK. And, you know, it took me a long time to realize that his sisters were twins because I don't think I realized they were twins when when we first.

1:07:14 I'm not sure if they were. Oh, OK. I'm not going to go back and look at the first season. I'm just not going to do a rewatch, but if my memory serves I'm not sure if they were twins. OK, I don't think they were either, but I but I wonder, does them being twins make them more powerful? No, no. OK, OK, I was, I was just curious 'cause I was wondering why they, you know, if they did make that change, like why would they make that change? Is it? Was it something significant? If I remember correctly in the book, only one of them could channel. If I remember, if I remember correctly, I'm sure someone real correct me. But if I remember, I think only one of them showed the ability ability to channel because, you know, the book is a little different from the the the show.

1:08:05 There are people who are born who can channel and those who are born with the ability to learn how to channel. And that's how the Sean Chan get the the Saddam is they're mostly women who have the ability to channel, but they aren't actually able, you know, they're not actually actively channeling. OK, Yeah. Does that make sense? Yep. OK. Because that's how Gwen figured out that she could kill. What's her name? Because she was like, oh, yeah, there's something the same about us. She was like, I can channel, but you have that ability. Because other than that, I can't. I couldn't understand how you were able to control us, you know, and why our powers connect. Yeah, because you actually have some power that you just don't know about.

1:08:55 She she has the ability to channel. She was. And that's what they were using to do the controlling. Yeah, they were controlling women who were actually born that actually could channel. Yeah, so that's OK. That witch is dead. So anyway, since we're talking about her, let's go, let's go over to that side of the world and and talk about all this stuff with more rain and land and E Gwain and all of them. Oh, the waste. Let's go to the IEO waste. Yeah, let's go to the IEO waste. Lampier seems to have her hand in too many pots. She is jumping in and out of E Gwen's dreams. She's now revealed herself to E Gwen. She's jumping in Meringue's dreams. Somebody need to kill this woman 'cause she is she, she doing too much?

1:09:55 She's doing too much. And let me tell you, she pissed me off so much when she when she jumped into E Gwen's dream and she starts taunting her and E Gwen is like, he doesn't know that you're for a second. Oh, yeah, He knows everything. He knows everything. And even when Iguan says, if Rand knew you put your hands on me, she was like, he knew it. He knows everything. No, I'm so sorry. I understand land fears whole thing is to throw. She's trying to throw Iguan off her game and she's trying to make it seem like, Oh no, Rand knows is the person that you love knows I'm torturing you, but he just doesn't care. No, because regardless of how you feel about Rand and regardless of what you think about all this stuff done, one thing is tried and true. That joking don't play about Eguane. I don't care who it is.

1:10:48 So the fact that Lanfear even fixed her mouth to say as much and Eguane was kind of sort of believing it, to me, that kind of proves Rand's feelings about Egwane was never really about him. Because if Egwane knew Rand the way she should know Rand, she would have not like Will like she said Rand wouldn't. Rand would be pissed if he knew you were putting your hands on me. But the fact that Landfair was like, oh, he knows. He knows. And you believe that like.

1:11:29 That's the problem. That that's a problem and and I'm glad he called her out on that because she wants to get mad at him for sleeping with a Forsaken, which, OK, Rand, you could have easily said, well, when I knew her, I didn't know she was Forsaken. You could have easily said that. But the conversation that they had needed to have because Rand had to let her know that. OK, yeah, you sit here mad and all, but you ain't thought about me since we got here. Since you've been with the Wise Ones, you haven't thought about me. You haven't looked for me. Several times in this episode, Rand has been like, oh, I was going to go see Gwen. I want to talk. See Dwayne? Because he was trying to fix what she saw, or he was trying to at least explain it.

1:12:11 But the fact that you so obsessed with everything else and then you come to him and then you want to go off on him. Oh, you betrayed me, you lied to me, blah, blah, blah, blah blah. You been with her. Da da da da da. You ain't noticed until just now. What does that say about you? Yeah, and why? Why would he? He he doesn't even need need to explain it to her. Like he didn't need need to say, well, when I met her, she was Celine and you know, she took me in and yeah, we were doing all this and I didn't know she was. He don't need to explain all that because one, he's known for a long time. If we don't want him, he's like, I'm the Dragon Reborn and still I'm not enough, you know?

1:13:00 So he doesn't have to explain to her. He's in this fight when she said, well, do you love her? He didn't really owe her an answer. He really didn't. Because you don't want me anyway. It wouldn't matter whether he said yes or no. Because Lanthier has made it plain that she wants him. But. He may not like you say, Hanukkah. He may not even be able to explain his feelings for her anyway. He doesn't. He probably doesn't even know he he can't. It's complicated. It's complicated. And that's. Not easy. Quick. Yeah, it's not easy question to answer. So yeah, he could have explained all that away, but it doesn't really explain his feelings.

1:13:45 No it doesn't. But. Her. Feelings so much you don't understand and I wish I could explain it to you. Yeah, but her feelings are clear. Eguane's feelings are clear. Yeah, he loves him. I don't, I don't. I'm not saying that she doesn't love him, but she does not love him in the way that he loves her. Like when Ran, even from the first episode, when Ran listed Eguane, he sees happily ever after for him and she never has. I don't think you know. And maybe she imagined it at one point, but once she realized she had this power and that she could be something greater, that's all she was focused on. And I'm not, I'm not faulting her for that because it's good to see a woman have ambition that doesn't have to do with the man.

1:14:34 I I'm never going to be mad about that. You know that she is not just so wrapped up in Ran that she's going to ignore everything else that she could have just to help him, just to help him fulfill the thing. Yeah. But there but there are consequences and repercussions for making those decisions. Yeah, yeah. And the and the and here's the thing, again, something that I said all the way to the first season, the way that they handle those relationship issues, I still admire because yes, they had a little bit of a shouting session with this, which I think they needed. But at the same time, when Rand tells her, you've always wanted more and I will, he said, I will always respect you for that because she didn't, you know, just say, OK, well, I'm going to focus on him. He's the Dragon Reborn.

1:15:30 I'm going to focus on, you know, what he needs to do. Yes, she had those moments, but once she realized that she also had a greater purpose, she did focus on that. And I think he, he does love that about her, that she's not going to be like, OK, I'm just going to sit to the side and ignore whatever that is a very Admiral thing. But again. Yeah, but also even back, even back in the Two Rivers when she said when she made the decision to become an apprentice, to be a wisdom, he's like, that means we can't, we can't, we can't be together. Yeah. Yeah, that was a choice that you made, you know, and I'm not knocking her for it. That's what she wanted. And that's basically what he's saying now. Even back then, you wanted more.

1:16:14 You just didn't want to have a marriage with me, raise kids with me. That's what he wanted. She wanted to become a wisdom that meant they could. They weren't going to be together. Yeah. And I think if you were to give them the choice right now, if you were to say, OK, be the Dragon Reborn or be Wayne's husband, I think he would choose being a Wayne's husband. And all day, every. Day her being a being a isodide being, you know, I mean, she saw a vision of herself as the ambulance seat having that kind of power or being Rand's wife, which would you do? I think she would choose the power. Well, actually I'm going to take that back. Before Lewidian he would have said Big Wayne's husband.

1:16:59 After Lewidian he would chose Jaggery Born. Fairpoint. Fairpoint. Fairpoint, Yeah, but but. You're right though, the the sentiment is right. You're right though, yeah. They're exhausting. I'm every time I see them trying to get together, I'm just like, oh God, I'm going. It's like it's more more exhausting than my than my dog being being mournful and lamenting, lamenting his wife, which he deserves, but it's still exhausting. It's like, I guess it's more exhausting than I need hiding her powers even though she. No, it is not. No, it is not. Because at least with Randy Gwen, we know that there is a commonality to them.

1:17:45 They both love each other. We understand that. The problem is they both have different goals or they both have different ideas of what that looks like. And it's kind of been a push and pull. And now they're finally at a point where they're saying, OK, this is probably not going to work, work the way we want to work. Us seeing them get to that point, yeah, it was a little bit of a journey. But as exhausting as naive, not no, absolutely not naive. And her refusal to use her power, that is the most exhausting thing about this show to me. But. But going back to not Iguane and Ran, when Iguane ask him, did you know and he was like, what are you talking about? She was like, did you know that?

1:18:38 You know everything that I've been dealing with in my dreams, the soul Dom torture me and all this other stuff. That was her. The look on Rand's face and the way it changed once it was clicking to him what she was saying, because you could see he was kind of refusing like, no, she wouldn't do that. And then you got to think, oh, this is Lamb fear. She would absolutely do that. But if Gwen had her point proven, because when she said if Rand knew you put your hands on me. The moment Rand figured it out, the moment it clicked, everything started shaking. I said, oh, Lampy about to get her ass, but of course her, her so-called present comes in at that time, which is what was that?

1:19:23 Samuel? Samuel. Yeah. Comes in to attack them and they start fighting and Gwen starts fighting she gets hurt but then Ivienda comes in with her Spears and Ivienda was like look I understand I'm a wise one now but I'm a still be able to whoop your ass and that's what. She she put, she put that villa. So you need to. This is going to die. Listen. Listen. She tried. She tried in, she tried in a Scorpion for Mortal Kombat. She was like. Get over here. She was whipping some ass. Do you hear me? Yeah, she almost got Grim. She almost got Samuel. She almost, Yeah, she almost did. But she. Stabbed his butt. Yeah, but he he ends up what does he he he brings down his, I guess that's a hammer.

1:20:11 Hammer, Yeah. Knocks them all outside and then when they're outside, Rand is on the ground. He looks up. Avienda and Gwen are both unconscious again. Rand is proving his point. Don't fuck with E Gwen because he literally you see his whole face change like Rand is not there. The dragon is there right now. He's pissed. And he even look at them I am he literally just stood up and just like. He he blocked his attacks without even turning around. Without even turning around, he held those weaves in his hand like.

1:20:53 But then the whole problem happens to be he causes the house to cave in, not knowing that our Sarah is inside and she dies. And this is the little girl who is Bear's granddaughter. She's the one he owes, he owed the tour to. Yeah, yeah, so. But yeah, she's the one that has kind of wrapped herself around his finger. And, you know, he's taken, he's taken a, a, a liking to her because she's, you know, she's young, she's fierce. And she I think has patience in teaching him a little bit about their ways more than anybody else does, especially Abienda. And I think he appreciated that about her because you see the way he kind of treats her, even though she's a child, she's only like, what, 9 or 10?

1:21:44 He treats her with a lot of respect, you know, and the fact that she dies and he does everything in his power to try to bring this girl back. I watched this part of the episode sobbing because he really thought he was like, I'm the Dragon Reborn. I can do anything. I can do this. I can do this. He's like I bring destruction and I can bring creation. And I was just, oh, that hurt me so much because they kept trying to tell him, Ran, she's gone. You can't do this. You can't do this. And and we see like earlier in the episode, he's having a conversation with Moraine and Moraine is talking about trying to use the Sarconan, which she got in Ruidian. And she says, how do you how do you control it? How do you submit to your your power? Because I feel like if I submit to it fully, I'm going to lose myself.

1:22:42 And Ram was like, don't submit was like, don't do it. You will lose yourself, he said. Even now I feel it trying to touch me. I feel like calling to me. He was like, and I have to, I have to, you know, kind of hold it off every second, he said. But the moment I reach for it a little bit and you saw what started happening, like literally the ground is shaking, everything is shaking. He looks like he's not even in his body. And this is just him letting go of a little bit of that control. So I was sitting here thinking if he has to constantly 24/7 be holding it off, I, I'm sorry, I'm I'm gonna excuse most of what he does or says because his concentration is not on just regular life. He is all the time fighting this power that threatens to take over him and consume him and drive him to madness. He is forever fighting that off and to see him have to he, he's literally trying to embrace all of that at the end in order to bring this little girl back.

1:23:51 But I guess it's just like other like true magic systems. One thing you can't do is alter death. No. Well, unless you're unless you're a necromaster. That's a whole different thing. You he was, he almost was sort of explaining the difference between men and women channeling, because I think I said this before, for women, they have to embrace the source. You know, they have to let it flow through them to control it. And men have to seize the source like it's there and they have to seize it and control it. It's it's doesn't sound that different, but it's very different ways they have to do it. But he said something very important. He was like, the one thing that we've learned is that I said I don't know really much about the one power. Yeah.

1:24:45 And and that and that is true. They don't know as much as they should because a lot of it has been lost. A lot of the knowledge has been lost. But there is, he is wrong. There is a difference between that. But he's sort of right in telling her not to submit fully, which is the same thing as seizing it and not controlling it, because that's what he's talking about. He's like, I can grab it, I can seize it. But if I lose control, I, I, I can cause some problems. You lose yourself. Same thing with the women. They see. They can embrace too much of it. And that's how they burn themselves out, which is what happened to, I can't remember her name, but in season 1 when she had surrendered completely to it and burned herself out and almost burned out not even.

1:25:36 Not even Wayne and she burned out, I think two other channels. Yeah. The city, yeah. Yeah, 'cause she just let it all come in and that that was too much. Yeah, But yeah, seeing Ran realized that he can't do anything to to bring out Sarah back, I that hurt my heart so much because now this is something that he's going to carry with him. I think in the same way that parent was carrying Layla's death. But it's like it it wasn't something that he did on purpose. He was sitting there having a regular old breakup conversation with his girlfriend, and this man came into his house, started attacking him and basically hurt two people in front of him.

1:26:25 And at the time, I don't think Rand knew whether or not Egwayne and Avienda were dead or alive. They were knocked out. He had no way of knowing. But when Samuel got up behind him and tried to attack him again, the only thing he could think of was, OK, you know what? He needs to die or he needs to be put down. I don't know if he's dead or not, but he yeah, we just. This can't happen. This scene, it actually the bullet occurs later. Without being too spoiler, it occurs in the stone, in the Stone of Tear where there's a battle and a child gets killed and Ran tries to bring the child back and he's on the verge of complete madness. Because the more power you channel, the faster you become, the faster you get there.

1:27:18 And you know that's and you're right, he starts carrying around the burden of the women that dies for him. Once again, not giving away too much, but every time a woman dies for him or in his presence or because of him, he does like the Arya thing. He has a running list in his head of, of this responsibility of all these women that just keep dying for him. He just, he has this list. He just keeps putting names on this list. And that's one of those things that's driving him to become this cold, uncaring, unfeeling person because he's trying to harden himself against everything that's happening, but he also is trying to carry that burden, too.

1:28:13 The book is really good. You know, from a therapist standpoint, 'cause he got some serious issues. I can imagine. Serious, serious issues. Yeah. But he does and and it it, it gets to be a pretty big list for him because of what he's doing and what he's trying to accomplish. Right, so much on on such young shoulders. Yeah. But you know, it it it makes me think back to you see this a lot in young adult lit. And we did a panel about this at dragon kind, I guess maybe like 13 years ago. And the topic was growing up to save the world. And it was talking about all of these teenage protagonists who basically have the weight of the world literally on their shoulders because they are the ones who are the saviors. You think about, you know, your Harry Potter's, your Katniss Everdeen's, your Tris Pryors, and, you know, good grief. I could go on, but it's just a lot for someone like him to deal with.

1:29:29 And then you're dealing with other regular things on top of that. Let's take out the fact that Landfair is a forsaken. You have this this love triangle situation going on because you know you inadvertently fell in love with someone who was there for you at a time when you were lost. You were abandoned or not necessarily abandoned, but you know, you didn't have any of your people around you. This person took you in. Like you said, Anthony, she took you in. She gave you shelter, She helped you. And you know, you end up falling in love with her. Then you find out that she's this evil thing. You can't really just turn those feelings off. And then you add the past relationship from his past life that complicates things more. And then you have this other girl who you are totally madly in love with, who does not necessarily feel the same way about you.

1:30:23 Or maybe she does love him that much, but she loves kind of her independence, Oregon her own thing better, what she's searching for. That's just a little bit more important to her. So you're dealing with this stuff and then you find out, oh, I'm supposed to be the destroyer and the savour of worlds. And it's, it's a lot. And these kids don't get therapy, I think. Him and Moraine talking in this. That's about as much therapy as he's going to get. Yeah, either one of them are going to get because he tells her he was like, you haven't spoken to me since Rowenian. And she's sitting there thinking about all the stuff that she's seeing. And he starts asking, do I go mad sometimes?

1:31:06 Do I kill Wayne? Sometimes. Do I kill you sometimes? That's a lot to carry. Basically Doctor Strange in in Infinity Wars. It's like seeing things fit. 1.517 million possibilities. And then the one that works. But with with this, we just don't know, you know, and he he tries to kind of deflect and says, I thought we were supposed to know more when we came out of there than we did going in. She was like, oh, I know more, don't you? And he was like, yeah, but I think in his mind, it's like, that's not the more I wanted to know. I want to know how this ends. I want to know if I'm going to go mad.

1:31:46 I want to know if I'm going to kill the people that I love. I want to know, am I going to be able to fulfill this destiny that I've been given? And of course, he doesn't know that because what will be the whole point of the journey if if you're just giving that information, you know, and I really, again, I really, I know we have two episodes for this season, but I really hate that we're not going to see this goes. Well, you can read the books you don't know where it. Goes I can do that and I probably will end up doing that, but I've I've got. You're right, though, the, the burden and responsibility makes him, he starts to lose sort of like his connection to humanity, you know, and, and something that happens later, it has to be done because someone who's, who's kind of watching him, trying to take care of him. She has to manipulate a situation to where he remembers that he's actually human and that it's OK to have feelings and, and emotions.

1:32:49 But because he almost killed kills she, she manipulates the situations where he literally almost kills someone he cares about, like almost. And that's when he, he was like, wait a second, what am I doing? And it sort of brings him back. OK. But yeah, it because it became a lot, you know, it became a lot. These people are dying for you, the expectations for you, the things that you're supposed to do. And this prophecy that you're, you're trying to fulfill it because you feel the responsibility for it, because you're the only one that can save everybody. Yeah, and I really hate that we won't. Everything that you just described, I'm literally seeing it in my head and seeing the way that Yoshi would portray it, and I really, really hate that.

1:33:46 We are not going to get that because I feel like he would be phenomenal doing all of that. Yeah, 'cause he's been incredible. Incredible. This season in particular. OK, we won't go. We won't. I'm just. Anyway, did we forget anything? See I. Don't think so, I will. Send me. Out we covered the heels of Tan Chico as being Londonly.

1:34:35 It was funny when it when Elaine when she suggested that song cause Tom was looking at her like how you know this song exactly? What? What you know about you like. You sure you wanna sing this and you like, OK, Then when she actually starts singing, everybody's like, oh, oh, tell me. Like, yeah. Tom Maryland is one of the best characters in the book. That makes me happy. He's 'cause I like him in the show, even even just a little bits that we've seen of him, I like him in the show. Yeah, he's one of the best players of the the game, the great game. OK, even though he's he's left the court, he he's, he's very good.

1:35:22 I have to find a good copy of the first book so that I can start reading because the copies that I have, I have one that's the really, really small paperback mass market, which, you know, the, the font is about this big. And then I have one other one that's slightly bigger, but the font is not much better. And I don't want to sit here just like this trying to read the books. But I'm I guess I'm gonna have to start now since we're not getting any more show, but OK, let's. Call it all over again. Mike, you have any shout outs before we put this to bed? Yeah, shout out to shout out to Elena when when fail and parent were making out, he interrupted them. I'm like, really?

1:36:16 I I heard somebody some healing like yeah, it's like parent, parent about to get some sexual healing. You need to wait about, not. Not while other people are in the house, 'cause come on now, you, you, you just had the twins going up and down the stairs. So I think he's a little bit more mindful. But you know. Oh, the disappointment on Fayo's face, on the disappointment on Fayo's face when he said that some they found the horn and and his friend blew it, he feels. Like that's my way. That's the Horn of Villaire, and that's your friend Matt, and that's your friend Matt blowing the horn of the Lear. He blew the horn of the Lear. And you could tell parent was just getting amused because she was just like, what?

1:37:04 What? What? Oh my God. I just, I'm glad they found a way to keep Alana around at least for another another episode or two. I'm Oh my God, because I've, I've just become more and more attached to her. Like I've become more and more of a fan of hers and. She is like one of my top favorite characters of this show. Yeah. Yeah, no, no spoiler, but she, she, she hangs around for a while. Good, that'll give me something to look forward to when I read the books. She hangs around for for a while.

1:37:47 Yeah. And I'm. I'm, I'm glad she stuck around too, because again, I don't think I would have been ready to see Maxim's reaction if something had happened to her so soon after losing Ivan. That just. Yeah, I'm not ready for that. He. Wouldn't he wouldn't have been able to. He wouldn't have made it. That wouldn't have. Happened. I don't think so, but the fact that Dane is still sitting there next to Natty's body, first of all, the fact that they haven't even had the decency to just remove her body and and bury her or do whatever. They they they still have her sitting on that thing. That just makes me hate child Balda even more. Like, I don't know how much more you can hate this character, but whatever it is, I'm there because why? Why?

1:38:47 Yeah, and plus, I mean that not now that I look at it, I'm like, I feel, I feel even, I feel even worse for the girls because it's like it's obvious that if it feels like their mother took the blame for their channeling and it's just like. But you know what, they're probably used to that if if, if they've shown their channeling ability for a while, she's probably been protecting them for a long while to make sure that the Isidye don't come from for them. I mean, because she's already lost her oldest child, you know, because of the whole prophecy thing.

1:39:29 And she doesn't, you know, she doesn't even know what's going on with Matt at this point. But also, my question is, where's her husband? Cuz didn't they take her husband? I think this wasn't he and Tam outdoor hiding somewhere with the with one of the family. Parents, family. OK, yes, so OK. Oh well, OK. Any final thoughts? Tam can't be around because he's a blade master and the white clothes will be in trouble. Oh, what?

1:40:12 Well, no, that's all the more reason for him to come back. All the more reason for him to come back. So I don't know, Hopefully we'll see him, but OK, so. I just, I I mean I understand like I don't know. I still just it ran just brain pisses me off and I don't know why and I don't have a good reason And it's like I just it's like I want to give him the benefit of doubt. I have given him the benefit of the doubt, but it's like, I just think I'm, I'm just, I just, I see his face and I just wanna, I just, I get, I get, I get angry, I get angry and I don't know why. And it's like I just, it's just something about him. And since the first, since the first season, I've had had it out for him and I just maybe I just need to get over it. I don't know.

1:41:15 It's just. Sounds like you need some therapy, Mike. You need anger therapy. Anger management therapy. Ain't nobody getting therapy on this show. So I'm just, I'm just following suit. Well, we'll see if your opinion changes about him in the next two episodes, which are the final two episodes for The Wheel of Time. But for now, that's it for our show. You can find us online at www.phantomhybrid.com. We are on social media on all the social media at Phantom Hybrid. You can chat with us on our Discord channel. You can watch our videos on our YouTube channel, and you can listen to us on all major podcast streaming platforms. Thanks for listening.

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