The Wheel of Time SERIES Finale - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #377

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What's up, hybrids?
Welcome back to another episode

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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast.
This is Hanukkah and I am here

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with Anthony and Mike.
And we are finally, finally,

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after some delays and some
denial, finally discussing the

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series finale of The Wheel of
Time.

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Yes, I know we are months late,
but I have been in denial.

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I've been hoping that something
would happen to save this show,

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but it is now September.
I don't think it's gonna happen.

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It's not gonna happen.
I'm mad.

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I know, I think Mike and I are
the mad ones.

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Anthony is just amused at this
point.

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I am amused.
And I don't think you're amused

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about the fact that got
cancelled.

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You're amused by me and Mike's
reactions to it.

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I am.
Yeah, I am.

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You see.
See, The thing is, you and I and

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Mike, you know, you can't invest
too much of yourself in any

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show, especially a genre show,
because every network, every

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streaming.
Service streaming service.

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They will pull the plug, I know
whenever they want and it

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happens even when before
streaming.

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NBC, end of the season plug,
Pull ABC, they'll be halfway

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through the season, pull the
plug.

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Fox.
They just move the show around

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until people forget where it is
and then they pull the plug.

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CBS don't really cancel shows
because they always put shows on

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that our older viewers just kind
of watch.

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But all the other networks I
have always, always, I learned

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my list a long time ago.
Don't get invested like that

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because it could be gone in a
heartbeat.

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I love foundation.
Foundation is a great show.

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Apple don't really cancel much
of anything, but I can't be too

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into it.
Like they just finished season 3

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and I don't know if there's
going to be a season 4.

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They got they got renewed.
I think I saw the announcement 2

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days ago.
Well, yeah, I'm, I'm kind of

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being facetious about it because
they had started production like

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a month ago, they had started
pre production and after they

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just had announced it was
renewed, but they already

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started production.
Oh, OK.

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But but that but but again, like
you just can't get too invested

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in these shows because they'll
go they'll go especially

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expensive on the streaming
service.

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This is an expensive show.
Yeah, yeah, it is.

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And I mean, I, I understand
that.

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I think the thing that kind of
bothers me though, is that you

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have other shows that may not be
as well received or may not, may

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not be as good, but they are
getting the renewals.

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And a lot of the shows that are
producing quality episodes,

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quality writing, they're just
being let go.

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And a lot of them are not even
making it past the first season.

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So the fact that we got three
seasons of this, I am

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appreciative, but it just kind
of sucks because I think the

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third season was probably, I
would say maybe the strongest

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out of the three seasons.
And so to come off such a strong

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season into a cancellation, it
hurts because it's it's a great

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show.
And then like Anthony and I,

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when you were gone, Mike, we
actually recorded kind of our

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reaction to the cancellation.
And unfortunately, I

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accidentally lost that file.
So I don't have it.

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But one of the things that I was
saying is it really hurts about

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this show because this show kind
of checked all the boxes without

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checking all of the boxes, if
you know what I mean?

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It's like it had all of the
things that we look for in TV,

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but it wasn't it wasn't
perfunctory.

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It wasn't just the, oh, OK, we
want more people of color,

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check.
OK, we want more LGBT

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representation, check.
It wasn't like it was just

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thrown in there just to say they
had it.

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Like it made sense for the
story.

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It was a very natural part of
the story, you know, so and it's

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one of the rare shows that
actually does all of that and

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just for us to to to lose it in
that way, you know, a show about

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women where women are the lead,
women are the stronger.

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Just yes, it's it's.
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I get that.
I mean it because there aren't

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that many shows that can do it
naturally and not make it seem

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like they're they're doing it
for pride month or Black History

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Month or whatever month.
It is just throwing in, throwing

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in a mention of or throwing in a
character throw away character

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that's going to just going to
recur like two or three times.

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Like they actually did a good
job of having people like be of

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integral, integral, integral
part of the story and making it,

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making whatever they are, black,
white, Hispanic, Asian, gay, bi,

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straight, making that a
secondary thing to the character

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and how important they are.
Like no one really can like say,

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oh, oh, oh, she likes girls too.
Oh, cool.

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But she's actually like, you
know, like Elena, it's like, you

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know, you see her and I'm like,
OK, but you know, I don't care

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about whatever her lifestyle
choice is.

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She's a good character.
She's she's important to she's

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important to the story.
She's a good character and I

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don't care about anything else.
But anything else about that is

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cool that she is.
But it's still but it's still

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second is secondary is not
something they're throwing in

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your face.
There's like, oh, by the way,

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she's that.
Oh cool.

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OK, before we start, in the
words of Troy on waiting to

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exhale later, you raggedly
bitch, I swear to fucking God.

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OK, so I guess that tells us
where we're going to start with

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this episode because I was like,
we can go to three places.

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We can go to the waste, we can
go to Tan Chico or we can go to

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the tower.
So I guess since you started

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that off my list.
I've been.

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I've been wanting to say that
ever since I finished watching

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that episode.
That you raggedly bitch, I swear

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to God.
And The thing is, I blame Sawan

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for this too.
Or because she sent everybody

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away to go chase those red Aja.
I'm like, really, bitch, you

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know, you know, she's trying to
take the seat.

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You know, good and damn well she
wants your fucking seat.

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Are you going to send all your
protection away on a wild

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fucking goose chase?
It's like I thought about it and

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I was like, does she?
Was she just like, you know

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what?
I'm tired.

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She probably, I think she wanted
to send them away just so they

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wouldn't get killed like the
like if they're if they start

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fighting amongst themselves, she
was like, I'll put them, She

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sent them.
It's like she's some way to

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protect them so that whenever
this happened, she knew that she

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knew that Eliza was going to
kill her.

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She was like, I'm done.
I don't.

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I, you know what?
I disagree with that.

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I really think that's the one at
that point.

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She just underestimated a lot
and probably because, you know,

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a couple of episodes ago, she
saved the life from the Gray Man

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and she probably was like, OK,
she's not going to do anything.

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I don't think she expected it to
go to the extreme that it did.

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But I mean, she knew Eliza was
plotting against her, but as far

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as the one knew, she had the
support of the tower.

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I mean, the whole episode starts
out with her being selected

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ambulance seat 10 years ago.
So we kind of see what the

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dynamics of that were.
And it was very clear that the

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sisters back then did not want
Elida as the ambulance seat

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because when they started the
voting, you know, they say 11

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sitters have to have the
majority vote.

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So when they started out, so one
only had the four votes and then

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when they got ready to move to
Elida, then she gets the other

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seven votes that she needs to
become ambulance seat.

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So I don't know, maybe it was a
little bit of naivete on her

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part.
Maybe it was just, I don't know,

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her thinking better of a lot of
than she should have.

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But I also blame someone and I I
blame her because if she had

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listened to Leanna, her voice,
her second, if she had listened

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to what she was saying, I think
there could have been a

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different outcome because she
would have been prepared.

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She wouldn't have been
distracted.

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That's the other thing.
You still sitting in this tower

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reading letters from Lorraine.
It you got other important

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things to worry about then your
ex-girlfriend.

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I'm so sorry.
It's just, yeah, I don't think

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she made the best choices in
this episode.

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And then for it to go as far
left as it did.

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Her.
There and.

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Away rolled left.
Right.

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But I mean, her sending there
and away, like, OK, this episode

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was the one they told me because
you remember I've been going

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back and forth about Varen.
Is she loyal?

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Is she not?
Is she a dart friend?

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Like was she that secret Dart
friend?

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Like, I don't know what to think
about Varen.

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OK, so at the end of this
episode, I'm very much convinced

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that she was definitely backing
so on.

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But it's like you took the you
took one of the two strongest

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allies you had in that tower and
you sent her away on a goose

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chase because you're worried
about them being able to still

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ran.
But still, you're not telling

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people like like Leanna said,
tell our sisters what is going

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on.
Tell me what's going on.

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Make us believe in this like you
believe in it.

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You're trying to tell us that we
have to support the Dragon

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Reborn when everything we've
ever known has been to the

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contrary.
Give us a good reason to

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understand this.
And I understand this.

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The one's mind.
She probably was just like I'm

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the ambulance seat.
You gonna do what I talk what

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I'm telling you.
But we see how that worked out

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for her.
It didn't.

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And I think if she had just
placed a little bit more trust

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in the people she had around
her, the, the, what we ended up

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with wouldn't have happened, you
know, And I think now it even

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pisses me off a little bit more
about the show being cancelled

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now because we get the the
ending that we we got for Swan

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and there's going to be no
follow up.

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And I'm just I'm passed.
Well, information is powered and

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someone thought holding on to
the information would help her

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with their power.
But I just want to agree with

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you.
She was overconfident in the

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support that she had from the
tower.

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And you're right, Leanne should
just Leanne was right to tell

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her you need to tell them what's
going on.

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You said something interesting.
I'm not sure that they, they, I

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think they have kind of
forgotten the whole point of, of

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the dragon, right.
I think they've kind of lost the

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idea that they're supposed to
support the dragon, not

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necessarily control him.
I think that I think that's sort

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of what's been lost because if
you think about it, the Blues or

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marine and and Swan aren't
trying to control him.

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They, they want to support him
and help him.

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And if they had had been sowing
those seeds all along, then it

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would have been different
because you really just have the

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Reds.
The Reds want to control him and

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bind him and do whatever because
they use them as a weapon in the

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final battle.
But if they pay attention to the

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prophecies, which they have
access to, it doesn't say

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anything about just him being a
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He still has to be taught.
He still has to be guided.

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He still has to be advised.
And I think they they're just,

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they're so caught up in their
own infighting and politics and

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they're so short sighted that
they don't realize that

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everything they're doing this to
the detriment of everybody.

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Yeah.
You know, the red, the red Doja

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don't like men anyway.
So it's like there there there

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was no no chance that they were
going to treat Rand fairly,

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treat the dragon fairly anyway,
like they were going to use him

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anyway, because they don't.
They weren't going to see him as

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an equal.
They're going to see him as

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something to be.
They're going to see him as an

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implement, like they don't care
about him, like they they can

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give all.
All the prophecies point to him

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leading everybody in the final
battle.

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Not well.
But the red Dodger?

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Had to it, it it.
Basically the proxy base says he

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has to face the Dark One and
find him.

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He doesn't say anybody's got to
control him to do it.

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He has to do it.
Because we've heard this like

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since the start of the show.
And I guess we can go, we can

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kind of go into spoilers now
because we're talking about the

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what ifs of what would have
happened if this had this show

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had continued.
Oh, hold on, hold on.

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I I am curious at the end of
this, can we talk about your

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your panel that you did your
dragon con?

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Yes.
OK, yeah, but so my question is

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this whole idea that the tower
is supposed to cage him and

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control him in the last battle,
where does that come from?

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Themselves.
It doesn't come from anywhere

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else, is it?
It's it's just what they want to

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do.
The prophecies don't say that.

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OK.
And I'm sure they have access to

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all of them.
The Browns would know all of

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this information.
Yeah.

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And I was going to say maybe
that's something that we would

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have found out more of in season
4, because I know they talk

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about the prophecy a little bit,
but it's always I think the way

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they've always presented it has
been matter of fact that if you

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know that when the dragon comes,
they're supposed to cage him.

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They're supposed to use him to
to win the last battle for the

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light.
But it's kind of like if you

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think about the the conversation
that Ran has with Moraine later

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on in this episode, when he's,
you know, he's putting

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everything together.
He was like, OK, so you were the

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1.
You were part of the attack in

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tan, not tan Chico Tarba LON
with the mirrors and the you

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know, and everything that
happened with us.

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Then he said you teamed up with
Land Fear to do that, to try to

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separate me from me, Gwen and
all this other stuff that she's

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been doing.
And he was like, you want to do

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it so that you could control me.
And she was like, yes, because I

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wanted to make sure that you
were going to fight for the

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light.
And if at any time you look like

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you were going to lose your mind
or go to the dark, I was

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prepared to kill you and ran at
that moment.

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I think fully appreciates
Moraine's role in all of this

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because he could have gone left
long time ago, you know?

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But Moraine has been there on
his heels.

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And it's just, I think it's so
interesting because we know that

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she and Salon were the only two
who heard that prophecy that I

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forgot what her name was made
about the dragon and that the

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tower must support him at the,
you know, when the time comes.

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But you don't know.
It's just, I'm still baffled.

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Like I know that she told them
not to tell anyone.

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But at a certain point,
especially with someone, when

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you see that everything is
falling apart in front of you,

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First of all, you have dark
Asha, black Asha in your tower,

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and you had no clue that it was
as rampant as it was.

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Then you see, you have people
deserting, you have people who

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obviously are not as trusting of
you, and then you have a light

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as to die come in and she is
sowing all of these seeds of

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distrust and malcontent.
And it's just like you are the

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ambulance seat.
You are supposed to be the

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wisest of them all.
And up until this point, they

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have presented her personality
and her person as someone who is

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wise beyond her years.
So it just, it really kind of

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confused me why at the end, in
the very, very end, she just

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didn't.
I I don't know.

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It's almost like Mike said, like
she got to the point where she

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was like, OK, I'm tired.
I don't want to do this anymore.

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But I don't think Salon would
have been like that because she

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knew what was at stake.
Yeah.

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You know, And even though her
and Moraine aren't together, she

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knows Moraine is still out there
doing her part to make sure that

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Rand succeeds.
So I would think that she would

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be equally as determined to make
sure that she does her part even

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after Moraine told her you were
supposed to get the tower ready

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to follow him and you haven't
followed through on that.

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This would have been the perfect
time for her to be like OK look

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I know y'all don't trust me.
Let me tell you what's going on.

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Because her given the the
confession after she has been

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stealed, after she has been
beaten and tortured to a lighter

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of all people, in a room full of
people who went against her, At

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this point it was moot point
because even if they had kept

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Swan alive, nobody in that room
had to go back and tell

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everyone.
Oh well, this is what she said.

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This is why we should They
didn't have to do that.

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She had nobody in the room to be
her witness.

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Well, in in the books is is much
more, I don't want to use the

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word dastardly, but Elijah was
really good at manipulating

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things behind the scenes.
So as far as Swan knew, she

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still had the full support of
the majority of the tower.

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She didn't know and she she had
no idea.

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Especially when you have sitters
like the head of the white aisle

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to her.
No, you're good, you're good.

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But behind the back, they're all
turning against her.

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She had no idea.
And and that white, that white

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Asha that's a that's a 2 faced
bitch.

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Because at the beginning when we
see a lighter come through the

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the arches, you know, a lot is
like, oh, I'm sure I still have

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your support.
And then she voted for salon and

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then she turned around and did
the complete opposite with it in

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this one.
I was like, you know what, those

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white Asha just, she made me
mad.

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She made me mad.
But yeah, I think, like I said,

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I think one of the things that
really kind of pissed me off.

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And I know a lot of people were
pissed about this for other

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reasons, but to have them kill
someone in such a brutal way and

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then for that to be where we end
the show?

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Man.
That shit, that shit was

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fucking.
It it's it's it's so hard not to

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tell y'all, it's so hard.
But if you, if you wanted to

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split the tower and, and and
keep the tower unstable,

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unstable, yeah.
Would it make sense to keep

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switching sides if that was your
plan?

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Yeah, you're.
Right.

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Oh yeah, I support this one.
Oh, OK, well now I'm gonna

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support you.
Yeah.

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And and back on your Verren
thing.

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I mean sure, Verren might
support her.

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She still might not because if
she was a dark friend or Black

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Aja, she wouldn't have had no
choice but to to go and do what

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she was told.
Well, you know, thinking about

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that too, if she was black,
Asha, if she.

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Wasn't and and that would lead
to the destabilization of the

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tower too.
Yeah, yeah.

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And I was thinking about that,
too.

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She still could have been a
black Asha or dark friend.

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And then you know someone
sending her away would have just

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been a great excuse because
again, you are sitting one of

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the sitters away.
Like how did that make sense?

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You could have told Aaron to
send some other women to go

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apprehend.
The red eyes should to go stop

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the red eyes should.
Why would you send one of the

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sitters that you know supposedly
has your back?

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It just.
Well, she didn't know that they

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were going to call for a quorum
vote.

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But again, that's that's the.
Thing and and she.

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Should have known a lighter was
plotting something.

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Well, I'm, I'm just going to
tell you this, there are a whole

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lot more black Asha then you
realize.

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It's it's almost the size of a
regular Asha.

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I kind of.
Figured this money it is.

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There are a lot of them.
Yeah, I.

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Figured it's a lot of them.
Yeah, yeah.

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Black Asha Stage 1.
Black Asha Stage 2.

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Black Asha Stage 2.
Well, they they are in cells and

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they don't know who.
They are, yeah.

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I remember.
It's.

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Like there are few.
One other person was so so and I

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and I get that and I thinking
about that, I can kind of sort

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of see why Swan may have kept
stuff to herself.

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Because if you still have Black
Asha in the tower and she goes

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and tells everyone, OK, This is
why we need to support the

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Dragon reborn.
Those Black Asha can at that

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point, let other people know,
find a way to let Leandra know,

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or they could have taken other
measures within the tower.

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So I under it.
I guess it's one of those

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things.
It's kind of like she's damned

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if she do, damned if she don't,
you know, because one, aside

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from Leanna, she really didn't
know who she could trust.

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You know, the only other person
that she could have trusted was

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Moraine.
And Moraine is already out in

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the IO waste with Rand doing
what she's supposed to do.

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So I guess I can see it.
I think it's just it's

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frustrating because now we'll
never know what her motivation

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was for keeping that information
to herself and how things might

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have been different.
It it if we really could

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extrapolate and say she really
was still just trying to protect

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Moraine and Rand?
Yeah.

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Because at the at that time,
they didn't know where he was.

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They didn't know where Moraine
was.

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And if she were to tell them
this is what the plan is, then

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that's telling the Dark, the
Black Aja and all the Dark

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friends what their plan is.
He has to get prepared.

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And so she's going to keep the
information away as long as she

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can until he's ready.
And then she was going to go,

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OK, this is what we're going to
do.

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But you're right.
Her goal was to get the Tower

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prepared to support Rand, not
cage him.

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So she should have been sowing
those seeds for a while.

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Yeah.
Her only opposition, but her and

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her only opposition would have
been the red, the red Aja.

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But that's, that's not what she
did, you know?

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Yeah, I, I so, so tell me
because some of the outrage that

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I saw soon after this episode
aired.

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So Juan does die in the books,
but she does not die in the way

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that she dies, and she dies much
later, correct?

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Much later.
OK, so I saw a lot of people who

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were upset about that.
She has a really good story arc

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for for a side character.
OK, OK.

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And then of course, there were
people who were upset because

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you had such a violent death of
a black woman character.

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And if it had been any other
show or if it had been a show

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that was predominantly white, I
could understand that outrage.

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I really for this show, I think
it's misplaced because the cast

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is so diverse.
You know, I don't think it was,

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I don't think it was a a
decision of, oh, she's the black

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character, let's let's kill her,
or she's a minority character,

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let's kill her.
I mean you can literally kill

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half of the characters here and
it could be evenly spread.

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She was killed by a minority, so
it's kind of.

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Yeah.
But I I just think that, yeah,

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the better decisions just should
have been made by Swan and.

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Well, well I guess what I can
understand why people are

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bothered but the the main thing
looking at where her character

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was supposed to go as opposed to
where she ended up, it's almost

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like where y'all you killed you
killed her off.

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And she is a fairly important
side character in the book.

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So are you were you were they
planning on having another

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character feel that role?
You know what I'm saying?

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Like, right, right.
You're you're killing her.

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Why?
You know what I'm saying?

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Like you're getting you're
you're disposing of almost a a

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pretty good side character
storyline that actually helps

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out Rand, Andy, Gwen in the long
run.

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And I need because something
happens that's very important

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with with her character.
How are you going to do all

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this?
You know what I'm saying that

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the only thing I could think of
is Leanne was going to become a

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more important character because
they actually together in the

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book when they get steeled and
they get exiled.

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So they're together for the the
majority of that time that that

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storyline and something
important happens to them, which

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is important for a lot of other
characters in the story.

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OK, so did they.
Steal Liana in this one?

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Or did they they just bound her
or or just kind of incapacitated

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her so she couldn't interfere?
I would say she was probably

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going to be stealed.
OK, because that was.

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I think.
I think they bound her.

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I think they bounded, but I'm
pretty sure they were going to

449
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:11,920
steal her because otherwise,
otherwise what what was the

450
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:16,080
point of the character anyway?
Yeah, because they, they, I'm,

451
00:28:16,120 --> 00:28:20,480
I'm just going to say it.
At some point it gets undone and

452
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:24,120
no one knew it could be undone
and it was the.

453
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,760
Stealing or like.
The the severing, the stealing.

454
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,520
OK, OK.
And that's why their cage is

455
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,520
important, because they're the
only ones, because everyone else

456
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:38,840
they have besides Logane, they,
they die, they kill themselves.

457
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:45,120
So it it would have, it would
have it was going to be an

458
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:48,160
important part of the story.
OK, OK.

459
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:53,320
Because I was also thinking
like, I know Elita's character

460
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:58,840
is evil.
OK, she might think she's doing

461
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:00,880
the best for the tower,
whatever, whatever.

462
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:06,000
That bitch is evil.
And I think it really kind of

463
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:11,720
like, I still, I don't think I
expected Salon to be killed, but

464
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:15,640
I knew it was going to be a hard
thing for her because of the way

465
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,600
that they stealed her.
Like you could have just done

466
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,760
your little weaves and and
taking her power, whatever.

467
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,040
But the way that they did it
with like the swords and the

468
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:32,200
daggers and the the brutality of
it, I was like, wow, this chick

469
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:36,000
really does not like someone.
And I would have actually loved

470
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,120
to have seen a little bit more
of that back story.

471
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,720
I mean, I know a lot of it has
to do with the fact that she

472
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:45,600
lost the ambulance seat to her,
but even from the moment she got

473
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:51,360
there, her animosity towards
Swan was so over the top that I

474
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,960
feel like there's more story to
that.

475
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,760
And I would have loved to have
seen that, especially since we

476
00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:00,920
just got shore Agdashlu in this
series.

477
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:05,400
Like I would have liked to have
seen her character for a little

478
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:10,440
bit longer and, and just kind of
follow her, her trajectory, how

479
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:16,280
she went from being a, you know,
a novice to what she is.

480
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:20,200
Because I looking at her
character in this episode I was

481
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:25,240
like she is probably one of the
most evil characters I can think

482
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,080
of in TV right now.
You keep throwing that word

483
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:32,560
around evil, did you?
Not see what she did to someone.

484
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,360
She's evil.
She's brutal.

485
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:41,320
I mean, as far as in her mind,
Swan is a Dart friend and has

486
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,960
been acting as such.
And they get and that's how

487
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,040
they're treated.
And as far as she knows, she's

488
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:50,400
Black Aja.
So that's that's how they get

489
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:52,120
treated.
I know, I know.

490
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:56,680
And so, you know, calling her
evil.

491
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,720
Well, I guess I'm calling her
evil because I get to see both

492
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:04,560
sides and I know that what she
did was not justified.

493
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:06,480
You know what I'm saying?
So I I'm being.

494
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,120
Emotional.
We know it's not we.

495
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:13,080
I know I think emotional about.
It they they, she is from her

496
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:16,320
perspective, she is justified.
It was a little bit over the

497
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:20,320
top, I will give you that.
Granted it was brutal and it was

498
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:26,080
all not it was not necessary,
but execution is warranted if

499
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,080
she's a dark friend or a black
Aja.

500
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,800
Yeah.
And they don't have to prove it,

501
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:33,400
do they?
They just all they all they need

502
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:37,080
is a suspicion.
As long as they believe it.

503
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:40,360
Let's see.
As long as they believe it.

504
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:52,600
OK, but yeah, I I don't Even so
light is the ambulance seat now.

505
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,920
But of course we don't get any
further story because the show

506
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,120
has been canceled.
So it's kind of like, wow, all

507
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,200
this build up and now nothing to
follow.

508
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:08,560
I mean it to me, it to me.
It kind of seemed like like she

509
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,520
remind the shoe.
She reminded me.

510
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,720
I don't know how this popped in
my head, but it's like kind of

511
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,080
how killmonger took took the
took the throne.

512
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:21,720
It's like with violence and with
and then just like sitting on

513
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,640
the throne.
And it's like, but this time,

514
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:28,120
like you said, it's like, I
really want to see like how this

515
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:32,200
turns out, how this like shakes
out because it's like having a

516
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:36,400
red Asha in charge of them does
not seem like the best of ideas.

517
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:40,360
No, it really doesn't.
Even though technically speaking

518
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:44,520
she is not of 1 Asha, now she's
of all you know she's not

519
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:45,800
following she.
Doesn't follow rules.

520
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:47,280
She doesn't give a fuck.
She.

521
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,520
Doesn't say it on all that being
red.

522
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:53,880
Yeah, it's it's not of all Asus.
Yeah, I I noticed that.

523
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,680
That's a one, Asia.
So I feel like she was probably

524
00:32:56,680 --> 00:33:04,440
going to rewrite some stuff.
But yeah, again, no, no

525
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,840
resolution for that.
But OK, I do want to talk about

526
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:11,640
the very, very first part of the
episode because, Anthony, you've

527
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:15,520
been talking about these arches
all season and how they haven't

528
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,200
shown up.
And then in this final episode,

529
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,280
we got the arches not once, but
twice.

530
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:24,600
So I don't know.
I feel like the way that they

531
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:28,480
kind of introduced it, when she
comes through the arches, she

532
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,920
has a little bracelet and the
white Asha comes to her.

533
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,760
And she was like, OK, the
elephant don't give anything

534
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:40,280
without requiring something.
And I'm like, if I hadn't, if I

535
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,840
hadn't discussed this with you,
I've been looking at the

536
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,720
beginning of this episode like
what the what are they talking

537
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:50,320
about?
It's just, and, and I guess it's

538
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:54,760
because they probably planned on
dealing more with that in Season

539
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,040
4.
So that was just kind of one of

540
00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:00,760
those things where they're
introducing it to us at the very

541
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,440
end of the season, because
that's probably going to lead

542
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,720
into whatever the story was
going to be for Season 4,

543
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,679
especially because Matt has his
own encounter with the owl.

544
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:15,320
Is the elephant or I Iphen?
They're they're too the elephant

545
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,239
and the ilphen.
OK, the snakes and the foxes.

546
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:23,800
Oh, OK, so he has his own
encounter with them and so I, I

547
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:29,760
feel like because of the the,
the outcome of his interaction

548
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:33,000
with them, they probably would
have given us a little bit more

549
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,760
in season 4.
Yeah, I think what they were

550
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:40,880
doing was they were, they were
setting you up for Matt.

551
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:45,239
So they were giving you like a
hint or preview.

552
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,960
And then when you saw Matt,
you'd be like, oh, that's what

553
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,600
she did.
So then you have to think about

554
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:56,199
what was it that she gave up,
you know, to come back.

555
00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:01,920
Yeah, but again, we won't know.
We won't know.

556
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,760
We won't know that if I'm not
mistaken, it's been a while

557
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,480
since I read the books that that
didn't happen.

558
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,760
A lot of going going through the
archway like.

559
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:16,360
That OK, OK.
So I have no information on what

560
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,480
was what they were planning on
doing with that.

561
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:22,240
That was weird.
Well, I guess I'll figure it out

562
00:35:22,240 --> 00:35:25,280
because I'm going to start.
Now that the show is over and

563
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,840
there won't be any kind of
overlap, I am going to start

564
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:31,160
reading the books.
It's so funny because I bought a

565
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:36,160
copy of the first book the the
full size hardcover, really

566
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:37,800
good.
It was in brand new condition.

567
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:41,400
I actually found it on Amazon
for like $19.00, which I was

568
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,440
surprised because any other
website I've looked for it on

569
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:48,000
they've wanted like 40-50,
sixty, $75.00.

570
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:55,400
So I get the book and then I go
downstairs and I realized I had

571
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:59,880
the book club version of it, the
smaller hardcover version

572
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,960
sitting on one of the
bookshelves of books that I had

573
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,760
unpacked from my garage.
So I have not.

574
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:09,320
I now have 3 copies.
NO123I now have 4 copies of the

575
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:13,000
first book because I have that
big version which matches the

576
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:14,680
other one.
So that's the one I'll keep.

577
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:16,720
I have the smaller hard copy
version.

578
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,800
I have a mass paperback version
and then I have the version in

579
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:24,560
the the box set of the first
three books that I found at

580
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:28,640
Goodwill.
So I was like wow, OK, I guess

581
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,920
this is my sign that I need to
read these books 'cause now I

582
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,320
have no excuse.
I have 4 versions of the first

583
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,800
book, so I'll get started with
that.

584
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:44,960
But OK, I guess let's go to Tan
Chico next, because I think we

585
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:49,760
need to save the the IO waste
for the end the.

586
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:58,040
Hills of Tantico.
And we finally, finally, finally

587
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:01,280
get to see it.
Another glimpse of the most

588
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:05,840
powerful channeler that has
lived in the last 1000 years.

589
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:10,080
Because Naive finally breaks her
block.

590
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,560
After.
Salvage, I know.

591
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:19,280
Now I know, I know, I I've had
it.

592
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,040
I'm just OK.
Congratulations that.

593
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,400
Was another reason why I was
upset about the show being

594
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:29,120
canceled, because I was like,
really, really, you can.

595
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:34,280
But again, they probably, they
probably thought that they would

596
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:37,880
get renewed.
I mean, again, season 3 was very

597
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:41,200
positively received.
It was very well watched.

598
00:37:41,240 --> 00:37:44,840
It was very well reviewed.
And, and it was the number one

599
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:49,080
show on Amazon Prime in a lot of
countries.

600
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,040
A lot of countries, it was in
one show.

601
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,120
OK, If they got to pay for Rings
of Power, they had to cut

602
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:00,920
somebody's, you know, they had
to cut somebody somewhere.

603
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:02,560
They could have pawned that
ring.

604
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:03,440
I ain't trying.
I'm trying.

605
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,200
I'm trying to see at last season
though where wheels of time to.

606
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,040
Say the Rings of Power is not a
good show.

607
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:14,240
I like it, but I also don't have
a lot of the background

608
00:38:14,240 --> 00:38:17,280
information for Lord of the
Rings that I think some people

609
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,800
going into the show do.
Because I know a lot of people

610
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:24,000
who are Lord of the Rings fans,
they don't really care for Rings

611
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,480
of Power.
The the only the only background

612
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:31,720
information you need is the fact
that they're paying a billion

613
00:38:31,720 --> 00:38:40,520
dollars with AB for that show
and it's not doing the same

614
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:45,840
numbers as will the time.
But guess what?

615
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:52,400
They are stuck for five seasons
of Ring of Power and it's not

616
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,120
making the money.
So we got to find the money

617
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:57,400
somewhere.
This show makes a lot.

618
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,920
This show cost a lot of money
too so.

619
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:04,520
And it's probably, it's probably
the top competitor on the same

620
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:08,920
streaming service.
So yeah, you take away one that

621
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,400
I guess they figured the fans
will flock to the other.

622
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:15,080
I I think they just looking at
the bottom line and said the,

623
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:18,400
the they're just trying to
offset the losses for his power.

624
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,640
Yeah, That's, that's, that's
basically what it comes down to.

625
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:26,560
I don't think it has anything to
do with how well received it was

626
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:30,640
or how bad it started or yeah, I
think it's all about money.

627
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:37,080
It has to be because again, it
was one of their number one

628
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,760
shows.
It was.

629
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,560
There's no arguing that the
numbers show it.

630
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:47,840
So why else cancel it other than
they had to pay for Rings of

631
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:51,840
Power and and the people who
made the decisions don't look at

632
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:55,720
these shows like we do.
And because then on the other

633
00:39:55,800 --> 00:40:00,480
hand, they're looking at
something like Reacher, which

634
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:04,200
costs him absolutely nothing but
it it makes a lot of money for

635
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:05,600
them.
Yeah.

636
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:11,000
Yeah.
I understand it's OK in Tan

637
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:21,480
Chico first of all.
Nancy, the actress who plays my

638
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:26,520
name, is absolutely gorgeous.
Yes, especially in this episode,

639
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:28,200
I don't know what.
It I don't know when.

640
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:33,720
Her hair, it was just I was
like, oh, OK, so she was just

641
00:40:33,720 --> 00:40:36,600
blowing up all, all across the
board in this episode.

642
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,240
I mean, not to say that she
looks bad in any of the other

643
00:40:39,240 --> 00:40:43,680
episodes, but it was something
about this one where I don't

644
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:48,960
know, it's like, I don't know,
it's almost like you expected

645
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:50,840
something great to happen with
her.

646
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,360
Like she was dressed for you
know how you go out in your

647
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:57,600
everyday, your everyday look and
you look good, but you're it.

648
00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:59,440
It's like you don't have that
extra oomph.

649
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:03,040
And for some reason in this
episode, she had that extra

650
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:10,640
oomph throughout the episode,
you know, but the whole thing

651
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:15,560
with them going after Leandrian
and and the other black Asha

652
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:20,000
trying to find this collar and
you get to see kind of them all

653
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:24,200
split off and do not necessarily
different things.

654
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,800
They're all looking for the
collar, but they have it's like

655
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:30,440
it's broken down the story
between these people.

656
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:32,880
You have 9 needs going after the
collar.

657
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:37,600
She has her confrontation with
Leandron, and this is the part

658
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:42,960
where she actually tries to
appeal to Leandrin's humanity.

659
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,160
Like, OK, I know that you can.
You can still be better.

660
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:49,240
You can still do better.
And Leandrin is like, I don't

661
00:41:49,240 --> 00:41:52,280
want to do better.
I wish I had let that old man

662
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:56,120
kill my baby boy because that my
my child held me back from

663
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:58,880
greatness.
And you're looking at her like

664
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:03,800
she's crazy until a few things
later, you see her conversation

665
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:08,000
with Mogadian and you realize
she wants to become a Forsaken.

666
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:11,120
Then you're like, Oh yeah, So
she's just been bat shit crazy

667
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,600
the whole time.
The whole time.

668
00:42:14,240 --> 00:42:18,400
But when they have that
confrontation, this is of course

669
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:23,640
that when she goes in, when
Leandron goes into this palace

670
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:27,480
where the collar is supposed to
be, she's looking for the actual

671
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:29,640
collar.
The way that it's depicted on

672
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:33,000
that scroll that she has.
She doesn't understand or she

673
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,680
doesn't know that the collar,
when it's not being used,

674
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:40,200
reverse into that silver ring.
Of course, Nynev would know

675
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:42,400
this.
So when Leandron goes through

676
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,920
and she's looking through all
these chests with all this

677
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:47,640
jewelry and all kinds of stuff,
she gets mad.

678
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,000
She throws one of them down and
she leaves the room and then

679
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:55,360
Nynev sees the collar.
So I really want to fuss at

680
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:59,280
Nynev for this because how do
you tell your friends before you

681
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,760
go into this palace?
No matter what happens, if you

682
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,440
find a collar, leave.
Don't.

683
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:09,120
Wait for the.
Rest of us get out of here and

684
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:11,440
what is the thing that she does
when she has the collar?

685
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,760
Wait.
She's sitting outside in the

686
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:20,800
open, waiting for her friends,
and Leandro is the one who finds

687
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,280
her.
And of course, Leandro knows she

688
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:27,880
has it because she has both
Adams now, thanks to Mogadian.

689
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:32,880
And the Adams are kind of, it's
almost like a magnet.

690
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:36,240
They're being drawn to the, to
the, to the collar.

691
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:40,000
So she knows Nene has it.
There's no, no sense in her

692
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,560
lying about it.
She knows she has it.

693
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:47,840
So then, like I said, Nene tries
to appeal to her humanity.

694
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:51,120
And Landon is basically like,
there's no humanity left.

695
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:53,320
My whole goal is to become a
forsaken.

696
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:55,680
And you know what?
In order to do that, I might

697
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:59,200
need to get rid of you as well.
And she throws Neneve into the

698
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:03,440
ocean to drown.
And I really still feel like

699
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:10,160
part of that was because I think
she, I think she has a small

700
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:13,040
bond with Neneve.
Like we know that she's kind of

701
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:17,120
sort of been trying to help her
through the first two seasons

702
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:20,920
because I think she wanted to
get Neneve on her side to become

703
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:26,600
a Red Asha because.
I see what you're doing and I'm

704
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,960
not going to have any sympathy
for this woman.

705
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:33,960
I'm not saying we have to have
sympathy, I'm just saying there

706
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:40,520
was a smidgen of regret in her
face when she threw Naive in the

707
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:43,920
ocean and Naive didn't surface.
It's almost like she looked

708
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:48,600
regretful and then just that
quickly she was like, OK, time

709
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:50,800
to go.
I'll give it to you.

710
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,520
I'll give it to you.
She just didn't want to see.

711
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,560
She didn't want to see my Eve
die.

712
00:44:56,560 --> 00:45:00,800
So she is drowning here instead,
because it ain't nothing for her

713
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:04,800
to just stab somebody with the
one power or, you know, stab the

714
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,760
brain with the one power.
Shoot a little fireball through

715
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:11,000
the heart.
No, you pulled up a chain and

716
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,760
you and you threw in the ward
because you didn't want to see.

717
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:16,320
So I guess there's a little
piece of her.

718
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:18,440
But I think not that.
That's it.

719
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:19,200
But that's it.
I wanted.

720
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:22,640
To see.
But this is someone who, if she

721
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:29,120
can convince Nyne to her side,
Nyne without her block, would be

722
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:35,600
a powerful ally for the red
Asha, for the dark Asha or the

723
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:36,400
black.
Asha.

724
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:41,800
And could have been somebody
that if she were to become, if

725
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:46,160
Leandra were to become a
Forsaken, to have someone like

726
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:50,400
that in her pocket, that would
be a very good thing.

727
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:54,800
So I think she does regret that
in that sense because she saw

728
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:59,600
the potential, you know, but.
I'm not disagreeing with you,

729
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:01,200
I'm just saying she don't want
to see it.

730
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:06,040
So it's better to kill her off
screen because you know, I don't

731
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:08,400
want to kill her myself because
she could have easily just

732
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:09,960
killed her.
She didn't.

733
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:13,280
She didn't do it.
But then again, maybe if she

734
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:17,160
thought for a second this might
get her block broken and she can

735
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:20,560
come back and recruit her later
and try again and later.

736
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,440
So give him, give him give that
and even chance.

737
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:27,800
Let's throw in the water because
William, William Mcgillian say

738
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,640
if you had a block like that, we
beat it out of you.

739
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:33,400
So maybe she's old school like
that.

740
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,360
Could be.
We'll never know.

741
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:39,640
I know.
'Cause she could have turned her

742
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:41,960
inside out.
She could have.

743
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:43,880
She could have done a lot.
She can a lot of things.

744
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:47,520
Especially because my knee was
blocked at that point.

745
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:51,960
You know, it wasn't until she
literally was in the ocean and

746
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:56,120
drowning, had stopped breathing
and she started having these

747
00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:01,880
these recollections of her
daughter in the Arches.

748
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:04,880
And that is kind of what broke
her bond.

749
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:10,280
But it's one of those things
where once she realizes that she

750
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:13,720
has access to the power, she
gets herself out of the water.

751
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:16,720
And it's like she has this
realization like, oh, my block

752
00:47:16,720 --> 00:47:20,080
is gone.
I was sitting here cheering.

753
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:23,440
I was so happy.
I was like, yes, now we're

754
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:24,880
finally going to see her
potential.

755
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,560
We're finally going to be able
to stop having this drinking

756
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:32,040
game about the most powerful
channeler in the last. 1000

757
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:36,600
years.
And then again, they cancel the

758
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:43,120
show.
So it almost feels like a waste

759
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:51,000
of her character because she's
been impotent for so long and

760
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:56,160
all we've been able to watch of
her is really just kind of this

761
00:47:56,840 --> 00:48:00,880
self doubting of herself, her
longing for land when she can't

762
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:07,880
be with him and just, I don't
know, just kind of this scared

763
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:10,720
little little girl.
I'm I'm going to do this.

764
00:48:10,720 --> 00:48:14,440
I normally I, I say I was going
to stop, but as the book reader

765
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:21,080
here, she in the book is this is
the character behind Rand with

766
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:26,680
the most character development.
So they're not wrong for what

767
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:29,200
they did.
Yeah, we feel like it.

768
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:35,560
But the payoff for her journey
is so huge.

769
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:38,360
The payoff you.
Will not see it now.

770
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:44,440
You will not see it now, but the
payoff was going to be so big

771
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:48,800
for her character that all of
this, this, these three seasons

772
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,600
was going to set us up 'cause
this would have been like the

773
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:57,040
climax of her, of her, of her
self discovery journey.

774
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:01,800
And then she's going to
transition into becoming the

775
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:03,920
powerful isodide that she does
become.

776
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:10,120
And, and literally Ren's right
hand man.

777
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:12,640
Like she's his Lafayette.
You know what I'm saying?

778
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:17,920
Like that, that, well, no,
actually it's not her, but she

779
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:25,040
is instrumental in his rise.
Like he, he wouldn't have been

780
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:26,720
able to do what he did without
her.

781
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:31,880
Remember, he needs to have
people who were on either the

782
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:37,400
equivalent or more powerful than
the Forsaken.

783
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:44,560
And she is that one that he has
that can challenge the Forsaken.

784
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:52,120
And we're not going to see it.
Pissed that we're not going to

785
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:53,720
see.
This, we're not going to see it.

786
00:49:53,720 --> 00:49:57,400
Not just because of what it
meant for the story, but again,

787
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:04,040
the casting for this show, I
feel like they, I feel like they

788
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:09,720
really put people in these roles
that could embody what was to

789
00:50:09,720 --> 00:50:11,680
come.
You know?

790
00:50:11,720 --> 00:50:15,920
Because you couldn't have told
me in Season 1 that Yoshi was

791
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:20,520
going to be what he was in this
season as Rand, as his

792
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:22,040
ancestors.
Like just.

793
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:26,440
He was so whiny and.
In the first season and I

794
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,320
realized that was the character,
so that's how he had to play it,

795
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:31,720
but to well.
He wasn't like that in the book,

796
00:50:31,720 --> 00:50:36,960
but yeah, whatever.
But to see his growth not just

797
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:41,520
as a character but also as an
actor in the show, The same with

798
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:46,960
everyone else.
Matt his, his whole character

799
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:52,520
art because we had a, because we
had a recast with this

800
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:55,920
character.
You know, the second season I

801
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:59,680
think was still kind of, it was
kind of unsure because he was

802
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:03,080
still feeling his legs getting
into that character.

803
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:06,240
This season knocked it out of
the park.

804
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:12,280
Like I was so excited to see
where they were going to take

805
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:16,120
this character because it's been
kind of back and forth for the

806
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:18,880
first three seasons.
Like he was completely a coward

807
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:21,920
in the first season.
The second season we got to see

808
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:24,360
him have his shining moment
towards the end.

809
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:28,480
And then in this season, you
kind of have a mixture of both

810
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:32,600
because of the experience he had
for the the second season.

811
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:37,840
So you kind of start to see him
come into it in this season.

812
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:40,440
Like his his fight with Elaine's
brothers.

813
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:43,640
I will, that will always be one
of my favorite scenes of this

814
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:48,800
entire series, but. 2 marks
each.

815
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:56,080
Each But, you know, just seeing
what the potential was for for

816
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:59,000
his characters well and knowing
that we're never going to get

817
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:04,400
it, it just bothers me.
Well, at least we ran you got

818
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:09,920
the payoff because the the rest
of what he has going on didn't

819
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:12,960
have any really have a lot to do
with what's happening now.

820
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:16,120
Like you, you got to you got to
his payoff.

821
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:17,840
You got to see him become the
car, car.

822
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:22,400
You know, he has a couple of
more things, but this, this was

823
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:26,360
the big thing.
Everything else left with him is

824
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:30,760
internal struggle, but you get
to see you got to see his

825
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:33,160
payoff.
OK, OK.

826
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:39,800
Naneeve is just starting and and
Matt hasn't even started.

827
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:42,480
Yeah.
But you do get you.

828
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:46,000
We did get parent, so we got.
We got parent's story.

829
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:49,120
But even with that parent was
with the last we saw of him, he

830
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:53,920
was he was being LED away.
Yeah, but he, but he peeked out.

831
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:55,920
We know.
We know what he's going to do.

832
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:57,080
We know what he's going to
become.

833
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:01,440
Yeah, Yeah.
Same thing with Gwen.

834
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:03,560
We know what she's going to do
and what she's going to become.

835
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:08,400
So it's whatever.
OK.

836
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:11,640
But back to Tam Chico.
I don't know.

837
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:18,000
I don't know if I'm I'm down
with with the way they I know

838
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:20,840
they had to do it, but it I it
just bothers me.

839
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:24,440
But that she could use the Adams
to find it.

840
00:53:25,240 --> 00:53:27,560
The collar.
It was just, I don't know.

841
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:31,400
I didn't too much care for that.
But I guess they had to do it

842
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:32,920
because Alice, was she going to
find it?

843
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:40,720
Yeah, You know, I don't know.
Oh, I do want to.

844
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:44,560
Oh, go ahead.
OK, so the cheek plane with the

845
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:47,840
Bellefire rod.
Yeah.

846
00:53:48,720 --> 00:53:52,200
Yeah, I, I was about to go to
that next because we had to talk

847
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:56,640
about Elaine and and Tom
Maryland and OK, so I have to

848
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:58,520
ask this question.
I know we've talked about this

849
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:05,160
question off camera.
I have to ask it again, is there

850
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:08,080
a possibility that they were
going to write this, this

851
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:11,760
character art with Tom somehow
being in Lane's father?

852
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:15,480
Because the way that they were
in this episode, you cannot tell

853
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:20,480
me that Tom was not showing
fatherly concern for this child.

854
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:22,240
Yeah, I feel like they're going
to.

855
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:24,520
I feel like they're going to
write it like that.

856
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:26,480
That's what I feel.
But he's.

857
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:27,600
Not in the.
Business.

858
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:32,160
No, he is not.
But I feel like, you know, it

859
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:34,720
makes you feel like he was going
to write it that way because

860
00:54:34,720 --> 00:54:39,400
they didn't write it like she's
a child of a woman that he's

861
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:43,680
desperately in love with, which
is where he is in the book.

862
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:48,440
But here it's almost like it's
his child.

863
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:51,880
He's treating her as such.
Yeah, and I, I kind of got the,

864
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:58,240
the feeling that even when he
talks about more gays, like he

865
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:02,000
it, it felt like there was
something more there.

866
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:06,960
Like maybe, I don't know, maybe
he left court because Elaine was

867
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:10,320
getting older.
Maybe because if they, you know,

868
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:13,440
you know how it is with I, I'm,
I'm gonna go back to Outlander.

869
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:16,960
Jamie had to leave his child
because as the child got older,

870
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:20,400
he started resembling him more.
So it was kind of like, oh,

871
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:21,840
people are going to put two and
two together.

872
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:24,400
I need to get out of here.
That's kind of how I felt like

873
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:26,880
it was happening in this
episode.

874
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:29,960
And then when you get the whole
talk, you know he's talking

875
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:32,400
about things that she did when
she was little.

876
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:35,720
And it's just the way that he
was saying it is almost like a

877
00:55:35,720 --> 00:55:37,800
father who is proud of their
child.

878
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:42,680
I don't think I would care for
that either because the story in

879
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:46,880
the book is so much better.
OK, why he left the court is so

880
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:48,120
much better.
OK.

881
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:52,960
But I do like the fact that they
that they kind of put this

882
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:58,200
timeline in that as soon as he
left the court is when Elaine's

883
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:02,280
memories of Gabriel started.
You know, that's how far back

884
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:05,520
Gabriel went back.
And I don't know if that was any

885
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:08,440
significant.
No, because remember, Gabriel

886
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:14,840
just got out of the seal.
He he was, he came out after he,

887
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,360
he just got out.
Yeah, but no, what I'm saying

888
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:19,440
is.
Gabriel where where he implanted

889
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:20,080
the memories.
Yeah, where?

890
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:21,720
He implanted in everyone's
minds.

891
00:56:21,720 --> 00:56:29,200
It's like right after he left,
this is when Elaine says, oh, so

892
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:32,560
you left right before Lord
Gabriel came.

893
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:34,440
And he was like, who the hell is
Gabriel?

894
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:36,240
He was like, I've been paying
attention to the course.

895
00:56:36,240 --> 00:56:37,720
There's nobody there by that
name.

896
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:41,240
And she was like, my mother's
console or he's been there for

897
00:56:41,240 --> 00:56:44,320
as long as I can remember.
And he was like, let me tell you

898
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:46,160
something.
When we get out of here, or when

899
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:50,040
you get out of here, you need to
go back to Andor because this

900
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:54,000
dude does not exist.
And if you're thinking he does,

901
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:57,200
the only person who can plant
that is a Forsaken.

902
00:56:57,240 --> 00:56:58,960
That means your mother is in
trouble.

903
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:03,160
That means your throne is in
trouble, you know, and she's

904
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:06,240
just sitting here looking like
the fuck.

905
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:09,360
Yeah, baby, the Forsaken have
gotten to you twice.

906
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:11,400
Twice.
Yeah.

907
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:19,000
But I, you know, again, I I kind
of I liked where what, where it

908
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:21,240
could have gone because again, I
don't know what happens in the

909
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:23,000
book.
So I don't know what that story

910
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:26,040
was, but I think it would have
made for something very

911
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:29,960
interesting for them to one have
that ally on their side.

912
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:33,200
And then, of course, if he's
Elaine's father, you know, he's

913
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:35,960
going to do whatever he needs to
do to make sure she stays safe.

914
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:39,120
Because again, couple of
episodes ago you told them, I

915
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:41,680
don't want no, whatever it is
y'all are doing here in Tan

916
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:43,440
Chico.
I don't want no part.

917
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:46,160
Last.
Time I Last time I hung around

918
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:49,520
with y'all, I, you know, y'all
left me for dead fighting the

919
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:51,360
Fed.
I don't have time for this.

920
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:53,880
I don't want to do it.
Yeah, but one of the reasons why

921
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:57,160
I don't really like it.
And, and Lori, our friend would

922
00:57:57,160 --> 00:58:01,640
tell you this, when it comes to
stuff like that, her claim to

923
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:03,680
the throne gets really, really
weak.

924
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:07,120
If if he comes out, that's her
father.

925
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:09,520
Well, that's, that's true and I
I do get that.

926
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:12,440
But I mean, it ain't got to be
like everybody knows.

927
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:15,040
She could just be, you know, it
could just be a their little

928
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:18,480
secret.
You know, you know it don't work

929
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:19,920
like that.
I know.

930
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:22,760
Yeah, I know.
So yeah, I get it.

931
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:26,960
But yeah, what was what was that
chick's name with the the

932
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:30,240
Bellfire ride?
It was it Muriel?

933
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:35,120
No, it started with the.
I don't remember, but I'll Jana,

934
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:40,080
I think Jana, Jana.
But yeah, she, she was kind of

935
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:43,680
crazy in this one because she
was like, oh, let's see what

936
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:45,800
this does.
How are you using something you

937
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:49,440
don't know what it does that
could have backfired on you, but

938
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:50,520
whatever.
I don't.

939
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:53,320
Know how so many of so many of
these black Asha were just

940
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:57,960
basically fodder for Leandron to
get what she needed and to get

941
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:00,760
the fuck out?
It's like a lot of them were

942
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:03,280
just.
Yeah, why would she get people

943
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:05,640
that are as powerful as her
especially?

944
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:08,280
I know, I know it's.
Just it's just funny that

945
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:10,880
they're just like, you know,
they're like, they're like, you

946
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:14,240
know, also rants, like they're
kind of like side stories, like,

947
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:17,200
OK, whatever.
Yeah, but and why would you want

948
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:20,160
to join an organization where if
you take an oath and you break

949
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:25,400
the oath, you lose your soul?
Like how stupid do you have to

950
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:27,920
be to do that?
That part.

951
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:31,640
Between wait, wait, wait wait I.
Can understand I I mean I'm a

952
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:35,440
Supernatural fan, they do
crossroads deals all the time so

953
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:38,360
I can understand what might
drive someone to do that.

954
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:42,080
Actually, a lot of them, a lot
of them become black guys

955
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:46,480
because if they find out about
black guys, your choice is

956
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:48,160
either to join or die.
Yeah.

957
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:51,280
So a lot of them join because
they have no choice.

958
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:55,280
Yeah, so, but I mean these I
mean.

959
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:56,720
You're going to die eventually
anyway.

960
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:05,480
You get thrown into the pattern
and you get spun right back out

961
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:08,000
at some point.
Unless you lose your soul.

962
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:11,080
Unless you lose your soul to the
dark wind, then you don't get

963
01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:13,400
spun back and that is
unfortunate.

964
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:16,000
Yes, yeah.
We'll talk about that later

965
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:17,760
because that actually does
happen in there.

966
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:21,200
But.
But yeah, she's playing with the

967
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:24,840
bell fire rod and, and the, the
this is another one of the

968
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:27,480
deviations from the book, 'cause
it is in the book, it, it, it

969
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:30,960
actually gets used and then, and
then it disappears.

970
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:37,040
But yeah, it's it's it's bell
fire is one of those things that

971
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:41,960
if you use it too much, it can
unravel the pattern.

972
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:47,680
OK, so when she when she used it
on on Joanne or whoever her name

973
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:52,280
is, when she used it on her and
she she disintegrated her right

974
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:55,320
next right next to the lane,
there was a figure that was

975
01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:57,440
holding the guy.
It was holding the rod like.

976
01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:01,400
It it reversed, it reversed her
last, her last action, because

977
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:06,480
if you notice her soul, you can,
you can actually see it come out

978
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:12,000
of her body and go behind
Elaine, But also all of the all

979
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:17,720
of the rubble from the roof when
from the ceiling, when Jana hit

980
01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:20,280
it with the bell fire, it
reversed and the ceiling

981
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:23,280
repaired itself.
So it's almost like whoever has

982
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:27,160
the bell fire rod and uses it,
they reverse the actions of the

983
01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:30,880
last person who used it.
That's that's kind of what how I

984
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:31,920
took it.
I got you.

985
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:34,440
Yeah.
OK, so the mechanics of bell

986
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:37,240
fire.
Here comes mansplain.

987
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:40,200
Oh yeah.
Because they they give it to us

988
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:42,000
in this episode.
They give it to you a little

989
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:43,640
bit, but it is, yeah.
So.

990
01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:47,600
So Bell Fire burns, burns you
out of the pattern as if he

991
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:49,840
never existed.
Oh.

992
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:53,360
Wow.
That's what bell fire does, so

993
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:59,800
the more powerful the beam is
determines how far back your

994
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:03,720
actions are undone.
Wow.

995
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:08,000
Damn.
So it it burns you, there's no

996
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:11,000
coming back.
There's no being thrown back

997
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:13,800
into the pattern.
You are burned out of the wheel.

998
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:15,760
You're gone.
Damn, no wonder I can't remember

999
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:16,920
her name.
She just got burned.

1000
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:22,480
Damn, that's.
Fucked up you, you and and and.

1001
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:27,840
The actions being undone is
based on how powerful the being

1002
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:29,720
was, how powerful the person
was.

1003
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:37,560
Wow.
So, OK, so I'm, I'm, I'm go

1004
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:40,120
ahead and tell you this.
This is how important it is.

1005
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:47,640
OK, so without giving too much
away, Matt dies in the book and

1006
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:51,920
the person that killed him, Ran,
gets so upset that he does

1007
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:55,400
Bellefire because they'll the
rod.

1008
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:59,800
OK, so the rod is the object of
power and they use, I forgot

1009
01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:05,680
which one, Taryn Gras Sandra.
It's the one where it helps you

1010
01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:09,800
focus and it helps you do the
power that you're trying to do.

1011
01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:12,680
So the ride was created by
people who wanted to do

1012
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:14,680
Bellefire but couldn't do it on
their own.

1013
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:20,440
OK, well Rand did it on his own
spontaneously, and he burns the

1014
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:26,320
person that did it and it undoes
Matt's death and he comes back.

1015
01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:30,560
Oh, OK.
Oh, that would be.

1016
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:35,720
But the warning is use of
Bellefire.

1017
01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:40,200
If you do it too much it will
unravel the pattern.

1018
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:42,720
So it's not good to go around
doing Bellefire.

1019
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:48,800
OK, because I that that just
made me think about like, one,

1020
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:52,680
do we see what Elaine does with
the rod after she kills Jana?

1021
01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:55,760
Does she?
Because I would assume that she

1022
01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:59,240
would keep something powerful
like that to keep it from

1023
01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:01,000
getting into somebody else's
hands.

1024
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:06,200
Then I was just thinking about,
you know, again, going back to

1025
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:10,720
Swan's death, is that something
that could be reversed if, say,

1026
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:15,120
that Bellefire rod was used
against Elida or used against

1027
01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:17,560
who?
The the why Asha, who was the

1028
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:22,120
no, the why Asha wasn't the one
who who actually killed her.

1029
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:25,240
As far as I know, that was that
was something that Elida

1030
01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:28,000
probably would have wanted to do
personally.

1031
01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:34,000
So yeah, is that something that
could have happened, like if she

1032
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:37,600
had erased it?
Would have to be a pretty

1033
01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:45,080
powerful bell fire.
OK because it it goes back like

1034
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:48,400
depending on how powerful it is
will undo their acts.

1035
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:54,040
So it may depending on how long
it has been.

1036
01:04:55,560 --> 01:04:57,440
OK.
Doesn't matter.

1037
01:04:57,680 --> 01:05:01,280
Does it matter the strength of
the person wielding the rods?

1038
01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:02,720
OK.
No, no, no.

1039
01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:06,200
Well, using Bellfire, OK,
depends.

1040
01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:11,120
So I guess yeah, I don't know.
It's possible the people who

1041
01:05:11,120 --> 01:05:14,600
made it put a limit in it
because some of the objects have

1042
01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:16,400
limited limits.
OK.

1043
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:21,280
But and some of them don't like
the the orb is a special one

1044
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:23,680
because it doesn't have a limit.
OK.

1045
01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:29,920
That's that's that's why Moraine
keeps working with it, because

1046
01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:32,760
it won't, she can't stop, so she
has to work on it.

1047
01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:36,640
So some of the objects have
limited have limits in it built

1048
01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:41,000
in because the people who if if
you were a person who could do

1049
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:43,800
Bellefire, you would use the rod
because it would keep you from

1050
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:47,360
using too much.
OK, OK.

1051
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:51,560
All right.
Yeah, it is.

1052
01:05:51,560 --> 01:05:55,440
It gets, it can get complicated.
But yeah, the the bell fire

1053
01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:57,360
thing was one of those scenes
Robert Jordan did.

1054
01:05:57,360 --> 01:05:59,920
And we're like, you just put
that in there because you wanted

1055
01:05:59,920 --> 01:06:03,680
to undo something.
You, you, you messed up and you

1056
01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:07,160
realized you made a mistake.
So he created something because

1057
01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:09,920
it didn't, it doesn't get used
very often until the final

1058
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:11,080
battle.
OK.

1059
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:15,920
And then someone comes in and
starts Bell firing everybody and

1060
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:18,640
someone's like, hey, hey, hey,
you have to stop this person

1061
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:21,960
because that can be a disaster.
OK.

1062
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:31,360
But yeah, so the other cool
thing is we get to see not

1063
01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:36,680
really a spoiler.
We get to see one of Elaine

1064
01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:41,680
superpowers, which is she talked
about how good she is at

1065
01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:46,240
figuring things out.
She, she, her talent is being

1066
01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:49,200
able to see weaves and replicate
them.

1067
01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:54,480
Oh, OK.
So she saw her use it, and she

1068
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:58,280
knew instantaneously how to use
it, and she used it better than

1069
01:06:58,280 --> 01:07:01,160
her.
OK, She had more control.

1070
01:07:01,560 --> 01:07:03,960
So that's one of hers.
That's one of Elaine's talents.

1071
01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:08,160
OK, OK.
She's she sees the weave and she

1072
01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:11,440
instantly knows how to do it.
So she's.

1073
01:07:11,560 --> 01:07:14,360
Like a weave artist, She's like
a weave artificer.

1074
01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:18,720
What?
Never mind, I said this a

1075
01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:20,760
dungeons and Dragons reference.
I forgot y'all don't play.

1076
01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:23,640
Proceed.
OK.

1077
01:07:24,600 --> 01:07:28,120
The art art art artificial.
Artificial is someone who they

1078
01:07:28,120 --> 01:07:32,120
could they can see something and
instantly know how it's made and

1079
01:07:32,120 --> 01:07:35,320
what and how to fix it or how to
make something like they they're

1080
01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:37,960
they're mechanically inclined,
like they'll see something that

1081
01:07:37,960 --> 01:07:39,880
they'll instantly know what's
what it's made of.

1082
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:43,560
Yes, 'cause I think Tom says
she's to take things apart and

1083
01:07:43,560 --> 01:07:45,200
put them back together.
And put them back together he

1084
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:46,320
was.
Talking about So she's an

1085
01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:48,000
artificial, OK?
That's what an artificial does,

1086
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:49,760
so OK.
That's, that's, that's her

1087
01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:51,840
talent.
That's why I was like, he's not

1088
01:07:51,840 --> 01:07:55,720
really spoiled because he he, he
literally tells us that's what

1089
01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:58,680
she does.
OK, yeah, takes things apart

1090
01:07:58,680 --> 01:08:00,440
some and put them back together
again.

1091
01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:05,360
OK, still staying in Tan Chico.
One thing I will say that

1092
01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:08,360
bothered me.
How are you guys supposed to be

1093
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:12,040
sneaking around looking for the
black?

1094
01:08:12,040 --> 01:08:17,319
Asha and Tom and Elaine are
having conversations in the

1095
01:08:17,319 --> 01:08:19,560
hallway.
They're not keeping their voices

1096
01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:22,880
down.
Matt and men go into this room

1097
01:08:23,080 --> 01:08:25,479
and they open the door and the
door creaks a lot.

1098
01:08:25,479 --> 01:08:29,479
And they're like, and when they
close the door, it still makes a

1099
01:08:29,479 --> 01:08:31,319
lot of noise.
I'm like, do you guys not

1100
01:08:31,319 --> 01:08:34,279
understand the concept of
sneaking around?

1101
01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:38,080
No, they don't.
No, nobody in this place, nobody

1102
01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:39,880
in this damn series knows,
understands that.

1103
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:41,960
Nobody in any series understands
that.

1104
01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:44,960
It's like every time someone
says be quiet, all you hear is

1105
01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:48,279
Greek.
Grike, right?

1106
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:51,600
And someone's sneezing and
somebody hitting a wall or

1107
01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:53,000
somebody tripping over
something.

1108
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:56,279
And it's like, I mean, of course
the, and the more, the higher

1109
01:08:56,279 --> 01:08:57,560
the stakes, the more noise they
make.

1110
01:08:57,560 --> 01:08:59,240
And it's just like.
Right.

1111
01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:04,319
Just read a bongo and say and
say the champ is here like

1112
01:09:04,319 --> 01:09:08,319
Muhammad Ali.
So OK, here's my question.

1113
01:09:08,319 --> 01:09:14,560
This palace that they're in that
has the collar and also has the

1114
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:20,359
arch, who lived in that place?
Like how do you have those these

1115
01:09:20,359 --> 01:09:26,600
two very, very powerful objects?
Like what?

1116
01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:30,240
What type of person live there?
I think it's it's one of the

1117
01:09:30,240 --> 01:09:33,120
highest nobles intention.
That's his house.

1118
01:09:33,160 --> 01:09:35,560
That's his house.
So probably somebody who just

1119
01:09:35,560 --> 01:09:39,600
collected stuff because.
He's probably been in his family

1120
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:42,920
for generations and just
collected it.

1121
01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:45,080
OK.
They just, they just collect

1122
01:09:45,200 --> 01:09:47,359
stuff.
OK.

1123
01:09:48,680 --> 01:09:51,200
Because if you look at it, it's
almost like it's a museum, I

1124
01:09:51,279 --> 01:09:54,400
mean.
Yeah, because that room that men

1125
01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:58,320
and Matt go into has so many
things in it.

1126
01:09:59,080 --> 01:10:02,000
And of course, you know, when
Matt sees the arches, I don't

1127
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:03,880
know.
I don't the the red arch, this

1128
01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:06,760
is the red doorway that you've
you've mentioned before.

1129
01:10:09,160 --> 01:10:12,760
I don't know if it's something
that draws him to it or if he's

1130
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:14,800
just going over to be nosy and
look.

1131
01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:19,760
But man, man, I need you to be a
little bit quicker on the uptake

1132
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:23,200
because as soon as you saw those
arches, you should have told him

1133
01:10:23,480 --> 01:10:25,640
don't go over there.
That's why I see you die.

1134
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:27,520
That would have stopped
everything.

1135
01:10:28,240 --> 01:10:30,440
Maybe not because Matt would
have been like what are you

1136
01:10:30,440 --> 01:10:33,480
talking about while he was still
walking that way, but.

1137
01:10:34,360 --> 01:10:37,960
Right, right.
It might have helped just a

1138
01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:40,840
little bit.
You know, these people, they

1139
01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:42,840
have such slow reactions to
stuff.

1140
01:10:42,840 --> 01:10:47,120
I'm like, you see him literally
watching to oh, I know that.

1141
01:10:47,480 --> 01:10:51,240
I know that don't.
It's not going to work because

1142
01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:54,160
you know, every one of her
visions comes true.

1143
01:10:55,640 --> 01:11:00,600
So I I'm.
Just glad it didn't he didn't

1144
01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:06,240
die, which again, the the vision
that she had doesn't necessarily

1145
01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:08,600
show him dead.
It just shows Oh no, he he died.

1146
01:11:09,240 --> 01:11:12,120
He died.
Yeah, he died.

1147
01:11:12,440 --> 01:11:13,760
He didn't stay there.
That's.

1148
01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:19,080
That's a very important point.
Not anymore, because the show

1149
01:11:19,080 --> 01:11:20,160
is.
Counting well you can read the

1150
01:11:20,160 --> 01:11:22,160
book.
So I already told he dies in the

1151
01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:24,880
book and comes back.
Yeah, that's why it's not

1152
01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:26,080
really, it's not really a
spoiler.

1153
01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:29,440
He just did it differently.
But he there's a reason why he

1154
01:11:29,440 --> 01:11:30,000
has to die.
OK.

1155
01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:35,160
He died for like 5 minutes and
dies dying.

1156
01:11:35,160 --> 01:11:38,120
It's just like, like I got the
guy in prison who got elected,

1157
01:11:38,120 --> 01:11:40,680
who got sentenced to the death
penalty and got killed.

1158
01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:43,720
Then they then he somehow he
came back and they're like, oh,

1159
01:11:43,720 --> 01:11:45,960
well, I guess you served your
sentence so you can go.

1160
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:49,400
No, he, he was in, he was in for
life and he died on the

1161
01:11:49,400 --> 01:11:52,440
operating table.
Then they resuscitated him and

1162
01:11:52,440 --> 01:11:55,280
then we and his lawyer argues
that, well, he was supposed to

1163
01:11:55,280 --> 01:11:56,800
stay, stay there for the rest of
his life.

1164
01:11:56,920 --> 01:12:00,400
He died, then he came back.
So he basically served his

1165
01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:04,680
sentence and they let him go.
Wow.

1166
01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:06,960
Now how many people who have
life I've.

1167
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:09,520
Got to be more specific.
How many people who have

1168
01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:12,120
licenses trying to figure out
how to die and come back?

1169
01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:18,440
Everybody up in that bitch.
But yeah, but I mean, yeah, I

1170
01:12:18,440 --> 01:12:21,600
mean, it's just like everything
with that, with that fox genie

1171
01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:23,560
guy who was creeping me the fuck
out.

1172
01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:26,440
I was like.
That was really creepy.

1173
01:12:27,080 --> 01:12:28,720
I was like, I was like, that's
some tricky, that's some

1174
01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:31,560
trickeration shit.
Like, I mean the way he was

1175
01:12:31,560 --> 01:12:35,120
asking him like to ask him
questions and get his like get

1176
01:12:35,120 --> 01:12:38,600
your wishes and he's like it it
do you deserve you just pay a

1177
01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:40,360
price.
And I'm like, oh God, here we

1178
01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:41,560
go.
Paying fucking price.

1179
01:12:41,800 --> 01:12:45,320
I don't like those kinds of
beans because 1, you are taking

1180
01:12:45,320 --> 01:12:48,240
the, you are taking advantage of
the fact that someone is

1181
01:12:48,240 --> 01:12:50,800
confused, don't know what the
fuck they're doing.

1182
01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:54,640
So if you're asking them
questions, they're going to

1183
01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:58,480
answer those questions not
realizing that that's part of

1184
01:12:58,480 --> 01:13:01,160
the the 3 wishes or whatever the
case is.

1185
01:13:02,120 --> 01:13:04,640
You know, you got to be, you got
to be specific too.

1186
01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:06,920
Yeah, yeah.
But that's, and that's the

1187
01:13:06,920 --> 01:13:08,920
thing.
If you don't know what you're

1188
01:13:08,920 --> 01:13:12,640
encountering, if you have never
heard of this place, if you

1189
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:15,440
don't know that this is a thing,
if you don't know that these

1190
01:13:15,440 --> 01:13:20,480
foxes trick people, you know,
with their words.

1191
01:13:21,440 --> 01:13:25,880
Like Matt apparently asked for
three things and he was like,

1192
01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:27,880
done, done.
Matt was like, what the fuck are

1193
01:13:27,880 --> 01:13:31,400
you talking about?
I just, I hate those kinds of

1194
01:13:31,400 --> 01:13:33,560
things.
But it's like because I know me,

1195
01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:37,600
if I were ever to find myself in
a magical portal and somebody

1196
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:39,640
just start asking me questions,
I'm dead.

1197
01:13:39,640 --> 01:13:42,560
I'm done.
I will have given my soul away

1198
01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:47,680
without not knowing or anything.
Because I even if I'm looking at

1199
01:13:47,680 --> 01:13:51,000
this like OK, my logical brain
tells me I have seen this in a

1200
01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:53,280
movie before.
Don't say anything.

1201
01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:57,680
Your your current traumatized
brain at that moment is not

1202
01:13:57,680 --> 01:13:59,440
going to pay attention to any of
that stuff.

1203
01:14:00,400 --> 01:14:04,360
I I read a book once, I can't.
I was trying to figure out what

1204
01:14:04,360 --> 01:14:08,120
it was, but the person was like
thinking in their mind.

1205
01:14:08,120 --> 01:14:10,760
I'm not going to say anything,
but the being could read their

1206
01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:14,440
mind.
I I think I'm trying to think

1207
01:14:14,440 --> 01:14:17,720
because that sounds familiar.
But.

1208
01:14:17,960 --> 01:14:21,480
Yeah, it's just, again, your
traumatized mind you're not

1209
01:14:21,480 --> 01:14:23,360
thinking about.
OK, clear your brain.

1210
01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:25,760
Don't ask for anything.
Don't say anything.

1211
01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:28,680
How am I?
You're not thinking any of this.

1212
01:14:28,680 --> 01:14:31,280
You are looking.
Well, I mean, on their side, if

1213
01:14:31,280 --> 01:14:35,240
you come to the doorway, they
feel like you chose to come

1214
01:14:35,240 --> 01:14:37,040
through.
They're not thinking someone

1215
01:14:37,040 --> 01:14:39,040
chunk you in and you didn't know
what was happening.

1216
01:14:39,480 --> 01:14:41,080
They know.
They think it's violent.

1217
01:14:41,440 --> 01:14:43,480
They're magical beings.
They know.

1218
01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:46,280
And that's part, that's part of
the whole thing, because they

1219
01:14:46,280 --> 01:14:49,800
can sit there and claim, oh,
well, you came through here, so

1220
01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:51,240
I'm going to ask you what you
know.

1221
01:14:51,240 --> 01:14:52,320
They know.
They know.

1222
01:14:52,320 --> 01:14:54,840
And and he didn't tell him you
need to make a price for

1223
01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:56,480
leaving.
He didn't tell him that either,

1224
01:14:56,480 --> 01:14:58,640
right?
He he just like I just assume,

1225
01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:00,200
you know, you need to make a
price.

1226
01:15:00,200 --> 01:15:02,760
And and and didn't even say that
until afterwards.

1227
01:15:02,760 --> 01:15:04,200
He was like, OK, So what do you
need?

1228
01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:05,920
What do you want?
Why are you here?

1229
01:15:06,760 --> 01:15:09,160
I don't know.
I don't even know where here is

1230
01:15:09,160 --> 01:15:11,680
like what?
What is this?

1231
01:15:12,280 --> 01:15:14,240
I look, I need to go to fuck
back home.

1232
01:15:14,240 --> 01:15:17,160
OK, granted, but now you got to
pay a price.

1233
01:15:18,040 --> 01:15:20,640
You should have told me that
before I open my mouth.

1234
01:15:20,720 --> 01:15:25,680
But even even with that, Matt
wasn't thinking, oh, I'm asking

1235
01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:28,880
a question or I'm I'm asking
something to have my wish

1236
01:15:28,880 --> 01:15:30,760
granted.
Matt still trying to figure out

1237
01:15:30,760 --> 01:15:32,600
what the fuck is going on.
He's like what?

1238
01:15:32,920 --> 01:15:36,680
What are you talking about?
What, what, what I'm going to

1239
01:15:36,680 --> 01:15:40,040
miss because I think this was
been, would have been brilliant.

1240
01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:46,560
He finds another one later and
he's like, I know what to do and

1241
01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:50,040
he goes in and it's the other
people and it's totally

1242
01:15:50,040 --> 01:15:54,240
different.
Oh God.

1243
01:15:54,520 --> 01:15:58,280
Yeah, that's OK.
I I need people to stop, just

1244
01:15:58,280 --> 01:16:01,200
leave Matt alone.
But I think the.

1245
01:16:02,240 --> 01:16:04,520
Well, Matt does a lot of these
things to himself, so it's like

1246
01:16:04,520 --> 01:16:07,640
you asking them to leave him
alone requires Matt leaving them

1247
01:16:07,640 --> 01:16:10,280
alone.
So it's like that's not going to

1248
01:16:10,280 --> 01:16:12,640
happen.
I know, but the thing with this

1249
01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:16,640
is OK, so one of the things that
Matt says when he's in there, he

1250
01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:19,840
was like, I need to go home and
I need to I need to be rid of

1251
01:16:19,840 --> 01:16:21,760
this one.
I I need the one power to stop

1252
01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:22,880
fucking with me.
Basically.

1253
01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:25,040
That's what you say.
I need to get rid of this.

1254
01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:28,240
It's it's, it's making a mess of
my life.

1255
01:16:28,920 --> 01:16:33,400
So when the thing sends him
back, of course Matt is hanging

1256
01:16:33,400 --> 01:16:36,600
because I guess the price of all
of that was his life.

1257
01:16:37,200 --> 01:16:41,520
Man is able to get him down.
She's able to revive him.

1258
01:16:41,960 --> 01:16:44,240
And then he's looking at her
confused.

1259
01:16:44,240 --> 01:16:48,560
He was like, OK, so I don't
remember how I got here, how we

1260
01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:50,480
got here.
And she was like, what do you

1261
01:16:50,480 --> 01:16:52,560
mean?
He's like, there's, there's

1262
01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:56,000
things miss missing.
The voices in my head are gone.

1263
01:16:56,280 --> 01:17:00,360
So basically everything that had
to do with the one power that

1264
01:17:00,360 --> 01:17:02,840
touched his life, he does not
remember now.

1265
01:17:04,360 --> 01:17:08,800
And I was just like, oh, so we
just rebooted Mack for Season 4?

1266
01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:15,200
No, he asked for something to be
done to the voices in his head.

1267
01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:19,040
No, he specifically said.
I need, I need one power to

1268
01:17:19,040 --> 01:17:24,240
leave me alone.
And and he asked for he needed

1269
01:17:24,240 --> 01:17:25,440
the one power to leave him
alone.

1270
01:17:26,080 --> 01:17:28,200
Those were two of his requests.
OK.

1271
01:17:29,240 --> 01:17:35,240
So the voices in his head got
fixed and he was given something

1272
01:17:35,240 --> 01:17:38,240
to help him not be touched by
the One Power.

1273
01:17:39,480 --> 01:17:44,800
Oh, OK, OK.
Because I was thinking that when

1274
01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:48,560
he says I need the one power out
of my life, anything that had to

1275
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:52,080
do with the one power was gone.
Because that would explain.

1276
01:17:52,080 --> 01:17:53,720
Why he doesn't?
Remember.

1277
01:17:54,440 --> 01:17:56,760
That would explain why he
doesn't remember why they're in,

1278
01:17:56,840 --> 01:18:00,960
why they're in Tan Chico,
because they're there for the

1279
01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:04,680
collar and the A dots, which are
by the one Power, right?

1280
01:18:05,040 --> 01:18:11,200
His memory was fixed air quotes,
that's why he doesn't remember.

1281
01:18:12,000 --> 01:18:14,760
But the voices had nothing to do
with that stuff.

1282
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:20,320
The one power, OK, our brain
only has so much capacity, so

1283
01:18:20,320 --> 01:18:22,760
the voice in his head had
nothing to do with the one

1284
01:18:22,760 --> 01:18:26,760
power.
So getting rid of the one power

1285
01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:29,920
affecting him wouldn't have
affected the voices in his head.

1286
01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:32,160
No, no, no.
And I understand that, but what

1287
01:18:32,160 --> 01:18:37,200
I'm saying is his memory about
why they are in Tan Chico, that

1288
01:18:37,200 --> 01:18:40,320
does have to do directly with
the One Power because they're

1289
01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:43,480
looking for the collar and
they're looking for the Adoms.

1290
01:18:44,120 --> 01:18:49,640
OK, so all right, all right.
So when when he asked for his

1291
01:18:50,200 --> 01:18:55,200
the voices to be fixed to the
brain to be fixed, it, it took

1292
01:18:55,200 --> 01:18:58,480
some stuff away to make room for
all the other stuff.

1293
01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:02,440
So a lot.
He's going to have gaps in his

1294
01:19:02,440 --> 01:19:06,960
memory, but they're being filled
by the memories of all his

1295
01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:11,680
reincarnations.
OK, but see, that's something I

1296
01:19:11,760 --> 01:19:13,880
I feel like a book reader will
only know not.

1297
01:19:13,960 --> 01:19:19,840
Right, right so so so that's why
they tried to make it 2 separate

1298
01:19:19,920 --> 01:19:25,280
requests because the fox head
medallion is what's going to

1299
01:19:25,280 --> 01:19:27,520
keep him from being touched by
the one power.

1300
01:19:28,520 --> 01:19:31,400
OK.
And of course I would not know

1301
01:19:31,400 --> 01:19:36,000
that because they had.
We would have got that in the

1302
01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:37,880
next season.
Right, OK.

1303
01:19:38,440 --> 01:19:40,600
Because the fox head medallion
is very important.

1304
01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:43,960
No one can use the one power on
him as long as he's wearing it.

1305
01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:48,040
Ah OK.
The memories is a separate thing

1306
01:19:48,200 --> 01:19:53,400
because he needs the memories of
all the generals in his head for

1307
01:19:53,400 --> 01:19:58,760
the war strategy later.
OK, OK.

1308
01:19:59,320 --> 01:20:02,760
So that's that's how his memory
got air quote fixed.

1309
01:20:04,320 --> 01:20:06,680
OK.
A lot of yeah.

1310
01:20:06,680 --> 01:20:11,320
Because the problem was when
Witch McCall gave him that

1311
01:20:11,320 --> 01:20:14,040
stuff, it opened up all his
previous lives.

1312
01:20:14,800 --> 01:20:18,080
Memories are all in his head.
That's why he speaks the old

1313
01:20:18,080 --> 01:20:20,240
tongue.
That's why he has these random

1314
01:20:20,240 --> 01:20:23,880
thought.
It's much more it's much more

1315
01:20:23,880 --> 01:20:26,560
obvious in the book than he is
on the show.

1316
01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:30,600
But it it it really bothers him.
He has these dreams of things

1317
01:20:30,600 --> 01:20:34,400
that have happened, he has
waking dreams of of battles and

1318
01:20:34,400 --> 01:20:38,840
stuff, and he has all these
things going on in his head and

1319
01:20:39,880 --> 01:20:42,480
it really made his life
difficult.

1320
01:20:43,240 --> 01:20:46,000
And after this it was all fixed.
But he could call up the

1321
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:48,400
memories on his own without
help.

1322
01:20:49,160 --> 01:20:52,400
But he does have some gaps in
his memory because of that,

1323
01:20:52,400 --> 01:20:54,360
because all that stuff had to
fill in.

1324
01:20:55,200 --> 01:20:58,280
That's how they fixed it.
It didn't necessarily get rid of

1325
01:20:58,280 --> 01:21:02,320
the voices it just made.
He just said, Oh, well, I'm

1326
01:21:02,320 --> 01:21:05,480
going to take some of your
memories and fill it in with

1327
01:21:05,480 --> 01:21:09,000
this other stuff, OK, to make it
easier for him.

1328
01:21:09,160 --> 01:21:13,080
OK, OK.
And the fight, say medallion, is

1329
01:21:13,200 --> 01:21:16,160
what blocks the one power from
affecting him.

1330
01:21:16,640 --> 01:21:22,680
OK, which again we won't.
See.

1331
01:21:22,680 --> 01:21:25,000
Yeah, it would have been really
cool to see someone try to use

1332
01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:30,120
them with power on them and the
weeds just go woo, you miss me

1333
01:21:30,120 --> 01:21:33,960
with that shit.
You know what I'm saying?

1334
01:21:33,960 --> 01:21:38,200
OK, that would have been cool.
No compulsion, no anything.

1335
01:21:38,720 --> 01:21:40,800
Right.
Which is very important later.

1336
01:21:41,560 --> 01:21:47,680
OK, all right, so last thing in
Tan Chico is Leandrian and MO

1337
01:21:47,680 --> 01:21:50,080
Gideon.
And again MO Gideon.

1338
01:21:51,360 --> 01:21:57,640
That character is one of the
scariest characters I have seen

1339
01:21:57,960 --> 01:22:03,160
on a show in the last few years.
To be the weakest one, she's a

1340
01:22:03,240 --> 01:22:08,840
hell of a fucking problem.
Listen, listen, not just in the

1341
01:22:08,840 --> 01:22:13,520
way that she approaches Landon,
because I, I, I do think it's

1342
01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:16,920
interesting that Leandra knew
exactly like she saw the spider.

1343
01:22:16,920 --> 01:22:19,800
She was like MO Gedian.
How did you know?

1344
01:22:19,800 --> 01:22:22,320
She was like, well, you know, if
I want to be a Forsaken, I need

1345
01:22:22,320 --> 01:22:26,160
to know who my competition is.
I I love the fact that Morgania

1346
01:22:26,160 --> 01:22:29,120
kind of laughed at her life.
So you think you competition,

1347
01:22:29,120 --> 01:22:32,360
but I again, I don't know how
powerful Leandron is supposed to

1348
01:22:32,360 --> 01:22:34,720
be in this show.
So that would have been

1349
01:22:34,720 --> 01:22:37,520
interesting to see.
But that whole dynamic with them

1350
01:22:37,520 --> 01:22:39,160
going kind of going back and
forth.

1351
01:22:40,040 --> 01:22:44,760
It was, it was disturbing to say
the least, because again,

1352
01:22:44,760 --> 01:22:53,240
Leandron wanting to be a
forsaken, like I can't even

1353
01:22:53,240 --> 01:23:00,800
imagine how bad that would be
because she has the she has the

1354
01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:07,680
motivation, she has the power
and she has the hate.

1355
01:23:08,280 --> 01:23:10,560
Like let, let, let hold on.
Let me let.

1356
01:23:10,800 --> 01:23:12,400
Yeah, she does.
But let me tell you about the

1357
01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:16,120
Forsaken.
Some of these Forsaken have

1358
01:23:16,520 --> 01:23:21,680
experimented on people as they
were alive, like they were

1359
01:23:21,760 --> 01:23:24,160
cutting them open and looking at
their organs.

1360
01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:29,240
So some of the Forsaken are
pretty terrible people.

1361
01:23:30,040 --> 01:23:31,720
They were.
They were terrible to begin

1362
01:23:31,720 --> 01:23:35,000
with.
She hadn't done anything near as

1363
01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:39,840
bad as some of the forsaken
half, but Forsaken for.

1364
01:23:39,960 --> 01:23:43,240
Her doing it, once she becomes
one, like, she'll be like, oh, I

1365
01:23:43,240 --> 01:23:44,400
have power.
Infinite.

1366
01:23:44,920 --> 01:23:46,960
Yeah, let's go ahead and do
some.

1367
01:23:47,080 --> 01:23:49,640
Yeah, I can see it.
Yeah, but she isn't.

1368
01:23:49,920 --> 01:23:53,520
She's still not happy.
Magedian may be weak for

1369
01:23:53,520 --> 01:23:57,880
Forsaken, but Lian's is probably
not even half as powerful as

1370
01:23:57,880 --> 01:23:59,840
Magedian.
OK.

1371
01:24:00,600 --> 01:24:04,200
Remember, the eyes to die of
this time are really, really,

1372
01:24:04,600 --> 01:24:07,520
really weak.
Right, right, compared to what

1373
01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:11,560
they were.
But the damn Magedian, what she

1374
01:24:11,560 --> 01:24:17,520
did to Sam IL, I was.
But Magedian is proof that you

1375
01:24:17,520 --> 01:24:21,680
don't have to be powerful.
If you are really talented and

1376
01:24:21,680 --> 01:24:24,720
know what you're doing, you
don't have to be that powerful.

1377
01:24:25,480 --> 01:24:27,960
Yeah, to be a be a master of the
one small thing, one thing you

1378
01:24:27,960 --> 01:24:30,360
can do, just master it and be
really good at it instead of

1379
01:24:30,360 --> 01:24:34,520
trying to do more than you can
do like do this and as well as

1380
01:24:34,520 --> 01:24:37,080
this, this and this.
And she's like, I can do this

1381
01:24:37,440 --> 01:24:42,280
and I can do this and this.
And like turn it turns, turn

1382
01:24:42,280 --> 01:24:45,840
Samuel into a fucking bloody
marionette, literally and

1383
01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:46,560
figuratively.
Look.

1384
01:24:47,800 --> 01:24:49,840
His blood and made spider webs
like.

1385
01:24:50,720 --> 01:24:53,720
And she does the one thing that
none of the other ones can do.

1386
01:24:53,720 --> 01:24:56,000
She can make Gray Man.
Yeah.

1387
01:24:56,000 --> 01:24:57,800
And none of the other ones can
do that.

1388
01:24:59,800 --> 01:25:02,080
Disturbing on a whole different
level.

1389
01:25:03,040 --> 01:25:10,400
And then the way she plays her,
she plays her with like a kid.

1390
01:25:10,400 --> 01:25:13,840
Like I don't want to say
innocence, but the way that she

1391
01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:18,960
projects herself is is like a
child would with that child for

1392
01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:22,920
Glee.
And then she makes the weirdest

1393
01:25:23,160 --> 01:25:27,440
facial expressions and she licks
her lips when she's talking

1394
01:25:27,440 --> 01:25:29,840
about something equally
disgusting.

1395
01:25:29,840 --> 01:25:33,320
And it's just, she's very
disturbing to watch.

1396
01:25:34,560 --> 01:25:40,000
And it's like, I don't know if
I'm glad the show is over

1397
01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:43,960
because I don't have to watch
her anymore or if I'm upset

1398
01:25:43,960 --> 01:25:47,720
because I don't see just how.
I don't get to see just how

1399
01:25:47,720 --> 01:25:51,600
disturbed she can be because I
feel like that wasn't.

1400
01:25:52,640 --> 01:25:56,080
I feel like that wasn't even
close to what she's capable of

1401
01:25:57,240 --> 01:25:59,600
because she was playing with
Samael.

1402
01:26:00,520 --> 01:26:03,280
She was like, Oh yeah, y'all
talk about me being the weakest

1403
01:26:03,280 --> 01:26:05,480
one or whatever.
She was like, OK, but you want

1404
01:26:05,480 --> 01:26:07,680
to help me?
Yeah, you can help me.

1405
01:26:07,680 --> 01:26:11,240
I can.
I can find out how to kill a

1406
01:26:11,680 --> 01:26:14,840
Forsaken, how to kill a Chosen.
Yeah, let's play.

1407
01:26:15,080 --> 01:26:20,800
I was like, no, no.
Can you imagine walking into

1408
01:26:20,800 --> 01:26:24,640
that cave and seeing that?
Like no.

1409
01:26:24,960 --> 01:26:26,920
It's disturbing.
It's disturbing.

1410
01:26:26,920 --> 01:26:30,200
It's disturbing, it's disgusting
and it's disturbing.

1411
01:26:30,200 --> 01:26:32,680
If it had been Matt, Matt would
have been vomiting over to the

1412
01:26:32,680 --> 01:26:35,880
side.
He would have been like, Nope,

1413
01:26:35,920 --> 01:26:37,960
I'm done, I'm out.
I'm going back to the Two

1414
01:26:37,960 --> 01:26:39,920
Rivers.
And I'm like, is it Dark one

1415
01:26:39,920 --> 01:26:41,880
even going to going to bring him
back?

1416
01:26:41,960 --> 01:26:44,200
Like is it Dark 1 going to bring
him back?

1417
01:26:45,560 --> 01:26:47,840
Is he like dude, you really
messed up.

1418
01:26:47,840 --> 01:26:53,520
You let this woman take all.
I don't know, was it your veins?

1419
01:26:53,520 --> 01:26:56,240
Your blood.
Your arteries, The blood.

1420
01:26:56,280 --> 01:27:01,200
It just string you up.
Yeah, that's that was

1421
01:27:01,200 --> 01:27:02,760
disturbing.
Yeah.

1422
01:27:03,240 --> 01:27:05,960
And Miranda and them looking at
him like Oh well, I guess he

1423
01:27:05,960 --> 01:27:09,640
won't be teaching Rand now.
Yeah, 'cause they're not,

1424
01:27:09,640 --> 01:27:11,800
they're not supposed to be able
to die because he could bring

1425
01:27:11,800 --> 01:27:13,920
them back.
So yeah.

1426
01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:18,040
Yeah, probably won't be bringing
that one back like you let this

1427
01:27:18,040 --> 01:27:20,760
little one manhandle you like
this.

1428
01:27:20,760 --> 01:27:25,000
Nah, I need somebody stronger.
I I just can't see it.

1429
01:27:25,440 --> 01:27:30,160
But OK, so since since we've
over there talking about Samayo,

1430
01:27:30,160 --> 01:27:33,560
let's let's go to the waste
because I think we've touched

1431
01:27:33,560 --> 01:27:44,320
everything in 10 Chico the waste
there's listen, we got a baby.

1432
01:27:45,600 --> 01:27:49,480
You have the whole thing.
Rand and Dwayne are kind of at

1433
01:27:49,480 --> 01:27:51,640
odds and and you can tell it in
this.

1434
01:27:52,160 --> 01:27:56,280
But I think the interesting
thing was when they did the

1435
01:27:56,280 --> 01:28:01,360
dream so that Lanfir could
communicate with Rand.

1436
01:28:02,440 --> 01:28:06,000
I love how Lanfir just walked in
like, Oh, did you get my little

1437
01:28:06,000 --> 01:28:09,920
gift I sent you Samael?
And I was like, she obviously

1438
01:28:09,920 --> 01:28:13,800
does not know that Ran lost
something When that gift showed

1439
01:28:13,800 --> 01:28:16,240
up.
I was like, oh, she just don't

1440
01:28:16,240 --> 01:28:18,720
understand.
Ran is I think Ran is probably

1441
01:28:18,720 --> 01:28:21,800
this close to killing her.
And then when they were having a

1442
01:28:21,800 --> 01:28:23,840
conversation, he was talking to
her.

1443
01:28:24,640 --> 01:28:27,280
He was being not, I won't say
nice.

1444
01:28:27,280 --> 01:28:31,400
He was being civil to her.
And then all of a sudden it kind

1445
01:28:31,400 --> 01:28:35,200
of took another turn and he was
like, yeah, Loose Baron left you

1446
01:28:35,280 --> 01:28:37,040
for the same reason why I'm
leaving you.

1447
01:28:37,040 --> 01:28:38,360
You're cruel.
You're petty.

1448
01:28:38,920 --> 01:28:43,240
I want nothing to do with you.
And she gets mad about this.

1449
01:28:43,240 --> 01:28:48,200
But I was like, so obviously
you're not paying attention to

1450
01:28:48,200 --> 01:28:52,040
Red enough to know that this
little girl who was in the thing

1451
01:28:52,680 --> 01:28:56,920
was a consequence of your, you
know, sending Sam IO to visit.

1452
01:28:57,520 --> 01:29:02,480
I think even without all the
stuff about Iguan, I think Rand

1453
01:29:02,480 --> 01:29:05,400
would have taken her out just
for that, I feel like.

1454
01:29:05,760 --> 01:29:09,560
Then you add the stuff about,
you know, oh, yeah, you were

1455
01:29:09,560 --> 01:29:11,960
torturing Iguan.
I was just trying to make her

1456
01:29:11,960 --> 01:29:13,560
stronger.
I was like, you know what?

1457
01:29:13,560 --> 01:29:16,080
I'm almost surprised Rand didn't
attack her.

1458
01:29:16,080 --> 01:29:19,600
But then I didn't realize they
were in the dream thing at that

1459
01:29:19,600 --> 01:29:21,880
point.
But I was just sitting there

1460
01:29:21,880 --> 01:29:25,280
waiting for Rand to attack.
I was like, oh, it's about to

1461
01:29:25,280 --> 01:29:27,440
happen.
Because Bran, you could kind of

1462
01:29:27,440 --> 01:29:32,280
tell he was holding in his anger
like you don't kill this little

1463
01:29:32,280 --> 01:29:34,800
girl.
You don't mess with the woman I

1464
01:29:34,800 --> 01:29:39,680
love, the other woman I love.
And just you doing all this

1465
01:29:39,680 --> 01:29:42,320
stuff and you claim you're doing
it because you love me.

1466
01:29:42,320 --> 01:29:44,840
But I feel like you're doing
this because you want the power.

1467
01:29:45,200 --> 01:29:47,080
And then when she was like,
well, why can't I have both?

1468
01:29:47,120 --> 01:29:51,000
Why can't I, you know, get rid
of the dark one and and have my

1469
01:29:51,000 --> 01:29:52,960
power?
I was like, oh, you just messed

1470
01:29:52,960 --> 01:29:56,000
up there.
You just messed up there.

1471
01:29:56,000 --> 01:30:01,840
You just told him literally
everything that you want but.

1472
01:30:01,880 --> 01:30:04,240
That's the reason why I lose
left you in the 1st place,

1473
01:30:04,240 --> 01:30:06,120
because all you want is power,
right?

1474
01:30:06,840 --> 01:30:08,440
That's all you want.
Right.

1475
01:30:09,200 --> 01:30:13,440
But then when she comes out of
the when when a Gwen expels her

1476
01:30:14,800 --> 01:30:21,160
and then she shows up in the
town and she makes her way to

1477
01:30:21,360 --> 01:30:25,480
Melendra and she was like, oh,
yeah, I'm, I'm coming to collect

1478
01:30:25,480 --> 01:30:27,280
that day.
I was like, oh, here we go.

1479
01:30:27,800 --> 01:30:30,160
Wait you going?
You going to skip over it seeing

1480
01:30:30,160 --> 01:30:34,040
her use her true power?
Who owed Landfair?

1481
01:30:34,160 --> 01:30:36,280
Yeah.
You just going to skip over

1482
01:30:36,280 --> 01:30:38,200
that?
Well, she she started looking

1483
01:30:38,200 --> 01:30:39,680
like a you see what it does to
you?

1484
01:30:39,680 --> 01:30:41,080
It corrupts you.
Terrible.

1485
01:30:41,920 --> 01:30:43,960
Yeah.
That's why they don't use it

1486
01:30:44,400 --> 01:30:48,720
that often.
Yeah, she yeah, she was looking

1487
01:30:48,720 --> 01:30:50,240
a little sketchy there for a
minute.

1488
01:30:52,120 --> 01:30:53,640
I was like, what did she turn it
into?

1489
01:30:53,680 --> 01:30:58,200
It's almost like watching
watching Pennywise turn into the

1490
01:30:58,200 --> 01:31:02,880
big spider and and it she was
starting to transform into

1491
01:31:02,880 --> 01:31:05,880
something.
But I think the thing that I

1492
01:31:05,880 --> 01:31:09,520
missed the first time, I missed
it because it was kind of quick

1493
01:31:09,520 --> 01:31:14,920
because E Gwen expelled her
before she could actually get, I

1494
01:31:14,920 --> 01:31:18,400
don't know, full powerful
figure, whatever you want to

1495
01:31:18,400 --> 01:31:19,800
call it.
Because I think if she had

1496
01:31:19,800 --> 01:31:27,080
gotten a little bit more
transformed, what what they had

1497
01:31:27,080 --> 01:31:29,280
done with probably not have
worked.

1498
01:31:29,920 --> 01:31:34,160
No, but she's smart though,
because I think she she some,

1499
01:31:34,200 --> 01:31:38,000
she must have realized it was a
trap or, or she said, OK, well

1500
01:31:38,000 --> 01:31:42,560
that doesn't work, let me go to
Plan C And so she went to Plan

1501
01:31:42,560 --> 01:31:46,120
C.
Which was going to Melendra who

1502
01:31:46,120 --> 01:31:52,880
apparently swore the dark oaths
and she sends Melendra to go

1503
01:31:52,880 --> 01:31:56,200
kill land.
I remember I said earlier about

1504
01:31:56,200 --> 01:31:59,720
people swearing the dark oaths.
She swear the dark oaths because

1505
01:32:00,040 --> 01:32:03,400
she had no choice.
Yeah, yeah, she was by herself.

1506
01:32:03,640 --> 01:32:06,040
She was probably starving, dying
somewhere.

1507
01:32:06,560 --> 01:32:09,080
Because this was after the fall
of Malkia, right?

1508
01:32:09,520 --> 01:32:11,960
Yep.
So what we find out is that she

1509
01:32:11,960 --> 01:32:16,440
swore the dark oaths because she
wanted Malkia to rise again.

1510
01:32:17,400 --> 01:32:21,240
And so she comes to land like
she's about to kill him.

1511
01:32:21,960 --> 01:32:23,640
But then she's like, no, you
are.

1512
01:32:23,640 --> 01:32:26,360
What does she say You are the
you are the last crane.

1513
01:32:27,000 --> 01:32:32,160
Malkia will rise again.
And she was like landfills

1514
01:32:32,160 --> 01:32:34,280
coming from rain.
He was like, don't tell me this

1515
01:32:34,280 --> 01:32:36,960
because if you swore the dark
ocean, you you're going to die

1516
01:32:36,960 --> 01:32:38,240
and your soul is going to be
gone.

1517
01:32:38,960 --> 01:32:42,960
She was like, OK, but this is
what I'm doing.

1518
01:32:42,960 --> 01:32:47,160
I'm, I did all of this to
protect Malkia, which I think is

1519
01:32:47,240 --> 01:32:52,840
just, again, it's, it's that
thing when you're for lack of

1520
01:32:52,840 --> 01:32:54,960
better words, when you're
dealing with the devil, like

1521
01:32:54,960 --> 01:33:01,160
you're doing it for good
intentions, but really how it

1522
01:33:01,160 --> 01:33:03,480
doesn't.
Help Death is light as a

1523
01:33:03,480 --> 01:33:05,680
feather, duty as heavy as a
mountain.

1524
01:33:06,120 --> 01:33:08,560
Yeah.
And she did her duty.

1525
01:33:09,640 --> 01:33:13,680
Yeah, but she was also.
When she's sitting there trying

1526
01:33:13,680 --> 01:33:17,400
to sneak up behind him, I heard
her her first footstep on the

1527
01:33:17,400 --> 01:33:18,880
sand.
I said, now, you know, Land

1528
01:33:18,880 --> 01:33:20,560
hears this.
She knew.

1529
01:33:21,120 --> 01:33:23,240
Yeah.
And he knew he was like, you

1530
01:33:23,280 --> 01:33:31,120
know, I would hear you coming.
But the after the whole thing

1531
01:33:31,120 --> 01:33:36,120
with Land, fear fails.
They end up going to al Qaeda

1532
01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:41,200
because, you know, at this point
Moraine is like, look, we got to

1533
01:33:41,200 --> 01:33:42,960
go.
We got to go ahead and get this

1534
01:33:42,960 --> 01:33:45,040
done.
We don't know where Laugh here

1535
01:33:45,040 --> 01:33:46,080
is.
We don't know what she's going

1536
01:33:46,080 --> 01:33:47,360
to do, but we got to get it
done.

1537
01:33:47,360 --> 01:33:50,240
We got to make sure that Rand is
declared the caracara.

1538
01:33:51,360 --> 01:33:54,800
And so you have all these
conversations that are going on

1539
01:33:54,920 --> 01:33:59,480
while they're on this
pilgrimage, and Ran is telling

1540
01:34:00,000 --> 01:34:02,840
Ruach he was like, OK, so if
they don't declare me the

1541
01:34:02,840 --> 01:34:06,240
caracara, then I'm just going to
tell them the truth about who

1542
01:34:06,240 --> 01:34:08,240
y'all are, that y'all follow the
way of the lead.

1543
01:34:08,440 --> 01:34:12,320
Ruach is like, Nope, you can't
do that because we can't handle

1544
01:34:12,320 --> 01:34:14,680
it.
He was like, OK, whatever.

1545
01:34:15,640 --> 01:34:18,120
I would be like, Ruach, did you
read the prophecy?

1546
01:34:18,440 --> 01:34:22,120
It said that he was going to
spill y'all's blood and break,

1547
01:34:22,120 --> 01:34:24,440
you know.
Yeah, break them down, they

1548
01:34:24,640 --> 01:34:26,080
said.
Break them down to build them

1549
01:34:26,080 --> 01:34:28,160
back up.
Destroy them.

1550
01:34:28,160 --> 01:34:30,520
But they never said that.
That's the thing.

1551
01:34:30,760 --> 01:34:34,000
The prophecy never says he's
going to kill them to destroy

1552
01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:35,440
them.
It just says that he's going to

1553
01:34:35,440 --> 01:34:37,960
destroy them.
What better way to do that than

1554
01:34:37,960 --> 01:34:39,880
to tell y'all?
Oh yeah, y'all are descended

1555
01:34:39,880 --> 01:34:42,400
from the very same people y'all
can't stand.

1556
01:34:44,280 --> 01:34:48,640
Yeah.
Avienda is talking to Gwen and

1557
01:34:48,640 --> 01:34:51,040
she's telling her, look, you
have a choice in this.

1558
01:34:51,040 --> 01:34:53,120
You don't have to stay here.
You're not the Karakan.

1559
01:34:53,120 --> 01:34:57,320
You're not ideal.
And he slept with a Forsaken.

1560
01:34:57,600 --> 01:35:00,080
You don't have to be here.
You can go and do something

1561
01:35:00,080 --> 01:35:07,280
else, but we already know it.
Wayne again, yes, she loves the

1562
01:35:07,280 --> 01:35:10,680
power, I think, or the potential
of the power more than she loves

1563
01:35:10,680 --> 01:35:12,480
Ran.
She loves what what her

1564
01:35:12,480 --> 01:35:15,680
potential might be, but she
still loves Ran.

1565
01:35:15,680 --> 01:35:16,920
She not going to sit here and
leave him.

1566
01:35:16,920 --> 01:35:23,360
We already know this.
You know, Lana Moraine had this

1567
01:35:23,360 --> 01:35:28,120
conversation about whether or
not Moraine thinks she's going

1568
01:35:28,120 --> 01:35:31,600
to die in this desert today.
And I think it's interesting

1569
01:35:31,600 --> 01:35:34,080
that Moraine was like, yeah, it
happens.

1570
01:35:34,080 --> 01:35:36,000
I see it.
I've seen it happen here.

1571
01:35:36,000 --> 01:35:37,720
I've seen it happen in other
places.

1572
01:35:38,360 --> 01:35:43,120
I think it's going to be today.
Like you can't get anymore.

1573
01:35:44,520 --> 01:35:49,080
Oh, I'm, I'm supporting the the
Dragon Reborn than that, you

1574
01:35:49,080 --> 01:35:52,440
know, even when they had that
conversation later and he was

1575
01:35:52,440 --> 01:35:53,280
like, So what are you going to
do?

1576
01:35:53,280 --> 01:35:56,000
She's like, I'm going to keep
land fear away from you or I'm

1577
01:35:56,000 --> 01:35:58,880
going to die try.
Ran kind of suited up his

1578
01:35:58,880 --> 01:36:03,480
eyebrow real quick.
Like oh OK, I mean cause what

1579
01:36:03,480 --> 01:36:06,520
else are you going to say?
She probably knew that this was

1580
01:36:06,520 --> 01:36:10,280
going to happen ever since we're
winning, at least in Rand's

1581
01:36:10,280 --> 01:36:12,480
mind, 'cause Ran.
I don't think Ran knows what she

1582
01:36:12,480 --> 01:36:15,000
saw.
They don't have a they haven't

1583
01:36:15,000 --> 01:36:17,520
discussed it.
I think he told her or she said

1584
01:36:17,840 --> 01:36:21,000
something to him about you had a
spoken to me since we're with in

1585
01:36:22,520 --> 01:36:30,280
so anyway, so we have this whole
thing that go to al Qaeda doll.

1586
01:36:31,280 --> 01:36:34,280
You have the shadow there with
what's his name, Culloden.

1587
01:36:35,480 --> 01:36:40,800
Culloden.
Culloden, laughing and Savannah.

1588
01:36:41,240 --> 01:36:44,960
And Savannah.
Who is I love this this version

1589
01:36:44,960 --> 01:36:46,960
of Savannah.
She is amazing.

1590
01:36:46,960 --> 01:36:47,600
I love her.
She's.

1591
01:36:47,760 --> 01:36:48,200
Great.
Yeah.

1592
01:36:48,480 --> 01:36:51,560
So she's technic.
So he's technically now her

1593
01:36:51,560 --> 01:36:54,080
husband, right?
Because his brother, her

1594
01:36:54,080 --> 01:36:57,520
husband, perished, they were
winning and he never came out.

1595
01:36:58,320 --> 01:37:00,520
Right.
So technically speaking, now

1596
01:37:00,520 --> 01:37:03,360
she's probably married to him.
Pretty certain.

1597
01:37:05,200 --> 01:37:09,000
So of course, Landfair comes
into that tent and she tells

1598
01:37:09,000 --> 01:37:12,040
them she was like, OK, so yeah,
we want the same thing.

1599
01:37:12,040 --> 01:37:14,960
We want to make sure the
Randolph Thor is not declared

1600
01:37:14,960 --> 01:37:18,280
carrot car.
And she puts the tattoos on

1601
01:37:18,280 --> 01:37:21,520
Collada's arms.
And I was like, you know what

1602
01:37:21,520 --> 01:37:23,160
this is?
I don't think this is going to

1603
01:37:23,160 --> 01:37:26,440
work out for Collada in the way
or Coolidin.

1604
01:37:26,680 --> 01:37:29,760
I'm thinking Outlander.
So the pronunciation is there.

1605
01:37:30,120 --> 01:37:33,080
I don't think it's going to work
out for him the way you think it

1606
01:37:33,080 --> 01:37:37,600
is because even if he has the
tattoos, he doesn't have any of

1607
01:37:37,600 --> 01:37:39,760
the power.
He doesn't have the one power.

1608
01:37:40,560 --> 01:37:45,200
And he was not born in the
wetlands, he was born in the

1609
01:37:45,360 --> 01:37:47,360
waste.
Well, yeah, right and.

1610
01:37:47,560 --> 01:37:49,560
They have to.
They have to go by the prophecy.

1611
01:37:49,600 --> 01:37:53,080
Yeah, and and that's something
that Ram makes very clear once

1612
01:37:53,080 --> 01:37:55,920
cooling in actually says, you
know, I'm your car, car, blah,

1613
01:37:55,920 --> 01:37:59,160
blah, blah, blah, blah, because
everybody is there cheering.

1614
01:37:59,680 --> 01:38:02,400
And it was so weird to me
because I was like, but you all

1615
01:38:02,400 --> 01:38:07,320
have Wise ones, and the wise
Ones know what they saw.

1616
01:38:07,520 --> 01:38:10,720
The Wise Ones know what was in
the prophecy because the Wise

1617
01:38:10,720 --> 01:38:13,080
Ones have all gone through
Ruinian, right?

1618
01:38:13,960 --> 01:38:15,720
All the chiefs and all the wise
ones.

1619
01:38:15,760 --> 01:38:18,080
Right.
So he's making this claim and

1620
01:38:18,080 --> 01:38:21,000
everybody's like, yeah.
Well, well.

1621
01:38:21,040 --> 01:38:29,160
The wise ones only see the
future, The Chiefs see the past.

1622
01:38:29,400 --> 01:38:36,320
Oh, OK, OK, OK.
But I'll but I think did Ruark

1623
01:38:36,320 --> 01:38:41,600
say something about they all
knew about the way of belief.

1624
01:38:41,600 --> 01:38:43,320
They all knew that they came
from that.

1625
01:38:43,560 --> 01:38:44,920
I think he was talking about the
Chiefs.

1626
01:38:45,120 --> 01:38:48,040
Oh, OK.
Because they have the way it

1627
01:38:48,040 --> 01:38:50,360
worked.
The chiefs live their previous.

1628
01:38:50,640 --> 01:38:53,360
They see their pre the lives of
their ancestors.

1629
01:38:53,400 --> 01:38:56,160
OK.
And the wise ones see it

1630
01:38:56,160 --> 01:38:59,320
possible futures.
So I wonder if the wise ones

1631
01:38:59,320 --> 01:39:03,120
would have still seen that if
whatever happens right here.

1632
01:39:03,160 --> 01:39:06,360
And they, yeah, well, they would
have seen similar to what

1633
01:39:07,320 --> 01:39:12,120
Moraine saw, so they would have
seen who's going to be the

1634
01:39:12,120 --> 01:39:14,200
dragon.
Right.

1635
01:39:14,480 --> 01:39:16,320
And of course they can't tell
anybody.

1636
01:39:16,320 --> 01:39:20,120
So yeah.
And yeah, 'cause even Avienda

1637
01:39:20,120 --> 01:39:24,880
knows, even though we don't see
her or here talk about it, she,

1638
01:39:24,920 --> 01:39:29,840
she, she has some visions about
him as well that so she, she

1639
01:39:29,840 --> 01:39:31,680
pretty much knows too.
Right.

1640
01:39:32,120 --> 01:39:39,960
OK yeah, but so after cool it
and makes his declaration, then

1641
01:39:39,960 --> 01:39:42,480
Ran comes down and Ran is
spitting the facts.

1642
01:39:42,480 --> 01:39:46,160
OK, I was born in the wetlands,
I came across the waist, blah

1643
01:39:46,200 --> 01:39:48,000
blah blah.
I mean, he's literally going

1644
01:39:48,000 --> 01:39:50,360
through the prophecy word by
word telling them.

1645
01:39:50,880 --> 01:39:57,680
And then he starts displaying
his, his power because everyone

1646
01:39:57,680 --> 01:40:01,360
at this point is ready to fight
because you have half of them

1647
01:40:01,600 --> 01:40:04,320
who are like, oh, no cooler than
we're going to support him.

1648
01:40:04,320 --> 01:40:06,880
That's one of us.
And then you have the other ones

1649
01:40:06,880 --> 01:40:10,640
who are like, but this one says
he's a car, car, car because

1650
01:40:10,640 --> 01:40:14,520
he's this, this, this and this.
And you see them about to fight.

1651
01:40:15,280 --> 01:40:17,760
And then ran is like, oh, OK, we
going, we going to put a stop to

1652
01:40:17,760 --> 01:40:21,040
this real quick.
OK so the issue I have with this

1653
01:40:21,040 --> 01:40:27,600
they did not make it clear that
of all of the clans is only one

1654
01:40:28,240 --> 01:40:32,080
the shadow that is supporting
It's his own clan that's

1655
01:40:32,080 --> 01:40:33,080
supporting Cooler.
Oh.

1656
01:40:34,320 --> 01:40:38,920
OK all the other clans are
looking at the shadow like what

1657
01:40:38,920 --> 01:40:42,480
the hell is wrong with y'all?
Well, I mean, maybe for TV they

1658
01:40:42,480 --> 01:40:46,960
did it differently because
instead of it being like 50,000

1659
01:40:46,960 --> 01:40:50,440
against this 10,000 over here or
whatever the numbers is, maybe

1660
01:40:50,440 --> 01:40:52,920
they decided to make it a little
more even.

1661
01:40:52,920 --> 01:40:57,520
That way it would be I, I guess,
a bigger victory for Rand once

1662
01:40:57,520 --> 01:41:00,880
they all start bowing or
kneeling for him.

1663
01:41:02,760 --> 01:41:05,320
That's that's just the way I
feel, you know, because it's

1664
01:41:05,320 --> 01:41:09,720
kind of like, OK, it's not as
impressive if 90% of the people

1665
01:41:09,720 --> 01:41:13,320
already believe in you and you
only have to win over this 10%.

1666
01:41:13,560 --> 01:41:17,280
But if you have to win over half
of what's there, I think that's

1667
01:41:17,280 --> 01:41:20,120
more impressive and it sends a
better message, at least

1668
01:41:20,120 --> 01:41:27,920
visually it does so.
But I know that you say that

1669
01:41:28,120 --> 01:41:33,200
people can't see the weaves when
they do them, you know, like the

1670
01:41:33,200 --> 01:41:35,640
men can't see the women's weaves
and vice versa.

1671
01:41:36,120 --> 01:41:40,240
But it almost felt like they
were able to see what was going

1672
01:41:40,240 --> 01:41:42,080
on.
But I know it was just the the

1673
01:41:42,080 --> 01:41:44,640
weather and probably the clouds
and the sand.

1674
01:41:44,640 --> 01:41:46,840
Yeah.
I just feel like they could feel

1675
01:41:46,840 --> 01:41:51,360
it and then they say see it, OK,
yeah.

1676
01:41:51,560 --> 01:41:56,520
Because the wind and the clouds
and all that stuff, they could

1677
01:41:56,520 --> 01:42:01,120
probably see that part and feel
the air pressure change because

1678
01:42:01,120 --> 01:42:03,280
it would be something they've
never experienced before.

1679
01:42:03,400 --> 01:42:06,880
Yeah, especially because he
brings rain, which, again,

1680
01:42:06,880 --> 01:42:10,080
they've never experienced, at
least most of them, not in that,

1681
01:42:10,120 --> 01:42:14,200
not in their lifetime.
But the interesting thing about

1682
01:42:14,200 --> 01:42:16,920
all of this is, you know,
towards the end, because he's

1683
01:42:16,920 --> 01:42:19,120
using so much E, Gwen calls out
to him.

1684
01:42:19,120 --> 01:42:21,240
She's like, Rand, stop.
You can stop now.

1685
01:42:21,240 --> 01:42:23,920
Rand, please stop.
Was it just me?

1686
01:42:23,920 --> 01:42:26,920
And again, I know this is this
was build up to what was

1687
01:42:26,920 --> 01:42:30,720
supposed to be season 4.
Did I see a little bit of an

1688
01:42:30,720 --> 01:42:34,960
expression on his face that
looks like he might not have all

1689
01:42:34,960 --> 01:42:40,640
been there as Rand, like some of
the some of the madness was

1690
01:42:40,640 --> 01:42:44,320
starting to creep in?
Oh, OK.

1691
01:42:44,640 --> 01:42:47,760
Seem like it's me too.
Because the more the the more a

1692
01:42:47,760 --> 01:42:51,680
man uses the one power, the more
they are tainted.

1693
01:42:53,720 --> 01:42:56,120
And he was using it quite a lot.
Right there I meant.

1694
01:42:57,400 --> 01:43:04,240
He's he's probably a bit more
resistant to it because of, of

1695
01:43:04,240 --> 01:43:10,480
who he is being the dragon.
But if he can, we've seen a

1696
01:43:10,480 --> 01:43:16,720
future where he's totally mad.
He it will happen if nothing has

1697
01:43:16,720 --> 01:43:18,400
done about it.
Yeah.

1698
01:43:19,640 --> 01:43:23,200
But yeah, yeah, I would say they
were setting us up for something

1699
01:43:23,200 --> 01:43:26,520
that's going to happen pretty
big with him that we're not

1700
01:43:26,520 --> 01:43:29,960
going to see now and it doesn't
really happen.

1701
01:43:30,040 --> 01:43:34,560
Loved to see him portray that.
Yeah, it didn't happen until I

1702
01:43:34,560 --> 01:43:41,520
booked 5, I think four or five.
So it could have happened next

1703
01:43:41,520 --> 01:43:45,720
season if depending on how they
condense the storyline because I

1704
01:43:45,720 --> 01:43:49,440
don't know if I feel like they
would have gone the 4:15 books

1705
01:43:49,440 --> 01:43:52,440
like 415 seasons.
No, no, they weren't into that.

1706
01:43:52,600 --> 01:43:54,880
But they could.
Have condensed it a little bit

1707
01:43:54,880 --> 01:43:58,920
to make it, yeah.
Yeah, and people were.

1708
01:43:58,960 --> 01:44:02,480
But I, you know, I told you I
don't do freeze frames anymore.

1709
01:44:02,480 --> 01:44:06,760
I just don't.
People were freeze framing some

1710
01:44:06,760 --> 01:44:11,520
of the the scenes and someone
claimed in the frame they could

1711
01:44:11,520 --> 01:44:17,800
see a person off in the distance
in Rams periphery in in the

1712
01:44:17,800 --> 01:44:21,680
desert they could see a they
could see the shape of a person.

1713
01:44:22,480 --> 01:44:25,720
I'm going to have to go back and
freeze frame and watch and see

1714
01:44:25,800 --> 01:44:28,040
if I see.
I don't have a time stamp for

1715
01:44:28,040 --> 01:44:29,920
you.
You can probably look it up, but

1716
01:44:31,200 --> 01:44:34,680
but if they were going to do
what what hopefully they they do

1717
01:44:34,680 --> 01:44:36,560
that would that would be part
for the course.

1718
01:44:36,640 --> 01:44:39,160
This would be about time.
OK.

1719
01:44:40,880 --> 01:44:43,200
But he's also got.
Hate that we're not going to get

1720
01:44:43,200 --> 01:44:45,880
this.
Because season 4 he probably was

1721
01:44:45,880 --> 01:44:49,520
going to go to tear, he was
probably go to the stone to get

1722
01:44:49,520 --> 01:44:52,600
calendar.
Because Lorraine mentions that

1723
01:44:52,600 --> 01:44:55,880
she was like, she actually
apologized to him.

1724
01:44:55,880 --> 01:45:00,000
She was like, I'm sorry for not
seeing earlier that this was the

1725
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:01,200
right path.
Yeah.

1726
01:45:01,520 --> 01:45:04,520
She was like you, You need the
Army if you're going to go to

1727
01:45:04,520 --> 01:45:06,640
Tear.
Yeah, and then tracks because

1728
01:45:06,640 --> 01:45:10,680
Elaine needs to go back to Andor
to get that stuff situated and

1729
01:45:10,680 --> 01:45:15,640
then when, you know, a million I
yield start marching through

1730
01:45:15,920 --> 01:45:18,560
with hands.
They're all going to everybody's

1731
01:45:18,560 --> 01:45:21,440
going to be confused is in the
value of war.

1732
01:45:21,440 --> 01:45:22,560
What the hell is?
Happening.

1733
01:45:22,560 --> 01:45:25,440
Right, Right, right.
OK, Yeah.

1734
01:45:26,320 --> 01:45:29,960
Because he has some March to
yeah, we had a March down to the

1735
01:45:29,960 --> 01:45:32,000
Stone of Tear that that would
have been great.

1736
01:45:33,040 --> 01:45:37,120
And watching him pull Calendar
from the Stone of Tear would

1737
01:45:37,120 --> 01:45:39,240
have been would have been an
awesome scene.

1738
01:45:39,480 --> 01:45:43,680
Yep, King Arthur.
But on the flip side of all of

1739
01:45:43,680 --> 01:45:48,680
this, you have Moraine actually
fighting with land fear.

1740
01:45:49,280 --> 01:45:52,680
I'm not going to lie, I thought
Moraine was dead in this

1741
01:45:52,680 --> 01:45:55,760
episode.
I think I thought Moraine was

1742
01:45:55,760 --> 01:45:57,880
going to die more than I
thought.

1743
01:45:58,200 --> 01:46:02,520
Like Swan dying didn't even
cross my mind until the last

1744
01:46:02,520 --> 01:46:08,520
five minutes of the episode.
Moraine I was fully expecting to

1745
01:46:08,520 --> 01:46:13,120
die in this episode.
I mean, she came close, she got

1746
01:46:13,120 --> 01:46:17,480
stabbed by the sword and
everything, but I think.

1747
01:46:19,560 --> 01:46:22,440
Man, this is her show, and she's
the executive producer.

1748
01:46:22,440 --> 01:46:24,440
She was not.
I'm not saying that she would

1749
01:46:24,440 --> 01:46:26,560
have stayed dead.
I mean, think about it, Matt

1750
01:46:26,640 --> 01:46:30,520
technically stinking Matt died
in this episode and was brought

1751
01:46:30,520 --> 01:46:33,200
back, so I'm not there.
Are a lot of people that died in

1752
01:46:33,200 --> 01:46:35,200
the damn show that came back so
it's like.

1753
01:46:35,640 --> 01:46:38,800
Yeah, so I'm not saying that she
would have stayed there, but I,

1754
01:46:38,880 --> 01:46:44,280
I really thought that there was
a moment that she wasn't going

1755
01:46:44,280 --> 01:46:47,280
to escape this.
And unfortunately, I hate to say

1756
01:46:47,280 --> 01:46:54,640
it, I think Suwan's death freed
her because you could see the

1757
01:46:55,080 --> 01:46:56,120
see the, the, the they were
bonded.

1758
01:46:56,120 --> 01:46:56,560
They had.
Bonded.

1759
01:46:57,800 --> 01:47:00,320
Yeah.
They were bonded and when you

1760
01:47:00,320 --> 01:47:04,320
could, you could see what
happened at the moment of Swan's

1761
01:47:04,320 --> 01:47:07,880
death, the release, and you
could see that Lorraine felt it.

1762
01:47:08,360 --> 01:47:11,760
And at this point, Lorraine is
already upset.

1763
01:47:12,040 --> 01:47:15,040
She's been stabbed.
Lampier can't keep her mouth

1764
01:47:15,040 --> 01:47:19,080
shut because when she starts
calling Suwan's name, she was

1765
01:47:19,080 --> 01:47:22,480
like, oh, you, you know, you're
over here and close to death,

1766
01:47:23,000 --> 01:47:25,560
but you calling out the name of
a woman who betrayed you, Like

1767
01:47:25,560 --> 01:47:28,760
she's really mocking her about
all of this.

1768
01:47:29,160 --> 01:47:33,400
I was like you, really.
Keep my girl's name out your

1769
01:47:33,400 --> 01:47:35,800
mouth.
Right.

1770
01:47:36,040 --> 01:47:38,600
I was like, you really about to
do this right now.

1771
01:47:38,600 --> 01:47:42,400
Have you not watched?
Like, yeah.

1772
01:47:42,880 --> 01:47:45,600
And when Marine started coming
back and started whooping her

1773
01:47:45,600 --> 01:47:48,920
ass, and then, of course, Land
shows up in the tag team and

1774
01:47:48,920 --> 01:47:52,720
her, I was really, I was just
like, please kill this bitch.

1775
01:47:52,720 --> 01:47:55,400
Kill her.
Now, of course, Land Fear is a

1776
01:47:55,400 --> 01:47:57,800
little more clever, so she
escapes.

1777
01:47:58,360 --> 01:48:01,880
But I was really hoping I was
like, OK, if Marine doesn't die,

1778
01:48:02,080 --> 01:48:04,720
then Land Fear should die.
I felt like it was going to have

1779
01:48:04,720 --> 01:48:09,440
to be one of those two.
But no, Laffier escaped, so we

1780
01:48:09,440 --> 01:48:11,720
were supposed to see what
happened with her in Season 4

1781
01:48:11,720 --> 01:48:14,760
again, We're not getting that,
but more Raines.

1782
01:48:16,120 --> 01:48:21,640
Her, her, her being so
distraught about Swan being gone

1783
01:48:22,760 --> 01:48:28,400
that just, again, when I first
saw that their relationship was

1784
01:48:28,400 --> 01:48:32,240
a relationship in the first
season, I didn't feel it.

1785
01:48:32,240 --> 01:48:35,880
I didn't buy it.
It grew on me second season and

1786
01:48:35,880 --> 01:48:39,280
especially third season.
And so it's like now watching

1787
01:48:39,280 --> 01:48:42,840
her go through that and having
that realization and she's just

1788
01:48:42,840 --> 01:48:47,400
like, why am I even here now?
Why am I even here?

1789
01:48:51,520 --> 01:48:54,760
That was just.
Yeah, again, I don't do freeze

1790
01:48:54,760 --> 01:48:59,000
frames, but a lot of people were
saying that the gateway looked

1791
01:48:59,000 --> 01:49:02,600
like it was to 10 chica.
Oh, OK.

1792
01:49:03,240 --> 01:49:05,240
So if she could be running to
Magedian for.

1793
01:49:05,240 --> 01:49:09,720
The time to go.
But I don't know why she would

1794
01:49:09,720 --> 01:49:13,720
run to Magedian for help.
I think she went to one of the

1795
01:49:13,760 --> 01:49:15,880
forsaken.
We haven't seen Grendel.

1796
01:49:15,880 --> 01:49:18,200
I think that was her palace.
Oh, OK.

1797
01:49:19,480 --> 01:49:20,960
I mean, I think that was her
place.

1798
01:49:21,520 --> 01:49:25,080
Someone that we would may have
seen later on, because you did

1799
01:49:25,080 --> 01:49:29,000
say that they they've left off
several of the Forsaken, Yeah,

1800
01:49:29,000 --> 01:49:30,480
in the show so far.
Yeah.

1801
01:49:32,000 --> 01:49:34,600
Yeah.
And Grendel I think would have

1802
01:49:34,600 --> 01:49:37,280
been.
I want to say they had a person

1803
01:49:37,280 --> 01:49:42,080
cast for Grendel but should I
cancel?

1804
01:49:42,600 --> 01:49:48,560
There was a rumor over casting.
OK, OK, so where I think this

1805
01:49:48,640 --> 01:49:55,400
show Randy the player of the car
con rainmaker?

1806
01:49:57,400 --> 01:50:06,880
Yep, Swan is dead, Liandran has
the Adams and the collar for

1807
01:50:06,880 --> 01:50:12,520
Rand to use.
Eliza is ambulance seat.

1808
01:50:14,560 --> 01:50:18,560
Fraggily bitch. 9 Even all of
them, they are on their way.

1809
01:50:18,800 --> 01:50:20,520
I get.
I guess they're going back to

1810
01:50:20,520 --> 01:50:24,560
Tarva line because at this point
you've lost what you came to Tan

1811
01:50:24,560 --> 01:50:26,840
Chica for.
Unless you know exactly where

1812
01:50:26,840 --> 01:50:28,920
Liandran is going and they
don't.

1813
01:50:29,840 --> 01:50:35,200
Hopefully they find out Eliza is
family before they get there.

1814
01:50:35,200 --> 01:50:38,400
Before they get there, yeah, and
they probably will, but still,

1815
01:50:38,400 --> 01:50:42,520
it's kind of like, I don't know,
there was so much potential for

1816
01:50:42,520 --> 01:50:44,480
Season 4 and we're not going to
get it now.

1817
01:50:44,480 --> 01:50:47,280
And I'm just so.
Because Eliza is going to tell

1818
01:50:47,280 --> 01:50:50,440
going to going to try to slander
them and see if they are friends

1819
01:50:50,920 --> 01:50:52,760
because they were working for a
salon.

1820
01:50:53,160 --> 01:50:55,320
Absolutely.
And they're and they're friends

1821
01:50:55,320 --> 01:50:56,760
with Rat.
Yeah.

1822
01:50:58,120 --> 01:51:01,400
Yeah, yeah, shoot that order.
Order's probably out already out

1823
01:51:01,400 --> 01:51:03,840
on them, on them anyway.
Either bring, bring them in.

1824
01:51:03,840 --> 01:51:05,240
Dead or alive.
It's already out.

1825
01:51:05,320 --> 01:51:06,440
Well, good.
They see him.

1826
01:51:06,800 --> 01:51:09,720
Good luck with Nan Eve because
you know she's the most powerful

1827
01:51:09,720 --> 01:51:15,600
channel in the last 1000 years.
I'm out of I'm out of what I was

1828
01:51:15,640 --> 01:51:19,080
drinking.
So have a have a second sip for

1829
01:51:19,080 --> 01:51:20,640
me.
So good luck with that.

1830
01:51:20,920 --> 01:51:25,760
And the Gwaine is not.
Elaine is not too far behind.

1831
01:51:27,240 --> 01:51:28,480
Yeah, Elaine's got Bale fire and
shit.

1832
01:51:28,480 --> 01:51:31,120
She's like.
Yeah, yeah, she got a Bale fire

1833
01:51:31,120 --> 01:51:34,640
rod and Dwayne can travel.
She she can travel through

1834
01:51:34,640 --> 01:51:38,120
dreams.
So I mean, the again, the

1835
01:51:38,120 --> 01:51:43,520
potential was great.
I know that there was there was

1836
01:51:43,520 --> 01:51:45,880
the petition.
I think the petition is actually

1837
01:51:45,880 --> 01:51:52,880
still going on.
But they, I know that Amazon

1838
01:51:52,880 --> 01:51:58,520
Prime has, I believe they have,
this is all terminology and talk

1839
01:51:58,520 --> 01:52:01,040
that I'm not exactly familiar
with.

1840
01:52:01,040 --> 01:52:03,920
I believe they have.
They have released all the

1841
01:52:03,920 --> 01:52:08,400
rights for it, but nobody's, I
don't think anybody's going to

1842
01:52:08,400 --> 01:52:12,000
pick it up because 1, like you
said, it's an expensive show to

1843
01:52:12,000 --> 01:52:17,680
produce and I don't know, I
don't know that anybody else

1844
01:52:17,680 --> 01:52:20,400
would be willing to put the
money behind it.

1845
01:52:21,800 --> 01:52:24,520
I would have, I would have said
the Ato bill, but they had to

1846
01:52:24,600 --> 01:52:27,560
pay for House of the Dragon and
they already slashed their

1847
01:52:27,560 --> 01:52:29,960
budget.
And and they're working on the

1848
01:52:29,960 --> 01:52:30,720
new Harry.
Potter.

1849
01:52:30,720 --> 01:52:31,760
Harry Potter.
Yeah.

1850
01:52:32,000 --> 01:52:35,800
So yeah.
Yeah, oh, I just wanted to shout

1851
01:52:35,800 --> 01:52:39,400
out cooler then, because as soon
as ran but like he was doing

1852
01:52:39,400 --> 01:52:42,600
something cool then didn't even
he just kind of walked away.

1853
01:52:42,600 --> 01:52:43,840
He.
Took the hell out.

1854
01:52:43,840 --> 01:52:44,920
He was like, you know?
What?

1855
01:52:45,000 --> 01:52:45,800
You know what?
I'm out.

1856
01:52:46,240 --> 01:52:48,480
I this, this ain't what I want.
All you, Blair.

1857
01:52:49,360 --> 01:52:50,040
I'm good.
I don't.

1858
01:52:50,040 --> 01:52:51,400
I don't want this smoke.
I'm done.

1859
01:52:51,400 --> 01:52:54,120
I'm good.
Right, because he didn't, he

1860
01:52:54,120 --> 01:52:57,200
wasn't even thinking about all
that before Landfill showed up

1861
01:52:57,440 --> 01:53:00,560
and gave him the bracelets.
So he was just like, oh OK,

1862
01:53:00,560 --> 01:53:04,000
that's all I need.
Yeah, OK bro, don't you know

1863
01:53:04,000 --> 01:53:06,000
your own prophecy?
Like don't you know the?

1864
01:53:06,080 --> 01:53:09,080
Same word I signed up for.
I thought I could just show my

1865
01:53:09,120 --> 01:53:10,960
arms that like look, look at my
cool tattoos.

1866
01:53:11,000 --> 01:53:13,760
I'm in charge like right And he.
Probably could.

1867
01:53:13,760 --> 01:53:15,760
He probably could have tried to
play it off.

1868
01:53:15,760 --> 01:53:18,160
He probably could have tried to
sweet talk his way in there.

1869
01:53:18,320 --> 01:53:22,440
But once Rand literally made it
rain, you're done.

1870
01:53:22,600 --> 01:53:24,920
There's nothing you can do,
right?

1871
01:53:24,960 --> 01:53:27,160
Right.
Nothing you can do shut out the

1872
01:53:27,160 --> 01:53:29,680
cooler thing for knowing when
the exit stage left.

1873
01:53:31,080 --> 01:53:33,160
Exactly, exactly, exactly.
He.

1874
01:53:33,160 --> 01:53:34,240
Made it right.
He made it right.

1875
01:53:35,560 --> 01:53:37,960
I'm so disappointed this show is
not continuing.

1876
01:53:38,080 --> 01:53:42,720
I'm like, I'm so like, I was one
of the people.

1877
01:53:42,720 --> 01:53:44,680
I signed the petition.
I did.

1878
01:53:45,040 --> 01:53:46,680
I was like, OK, we got to do
something.

1879
01:53:46,680 --> 01:53:49,960
I mean, there were there were,
if you pay attention to the

1880
01:53:49,960 --> 01:53:54,040
account that started and they've
put up like billboards and

1881
01:53:54,040 --> 01:53:57,440
they've done all kinds of stuff.
I know several of the stars,

1882
01:53:57,440 --> 01:54:02,520
including Shora and Ashley have
retweeted it saying, hey, let's

1883
01:54:02,560 --> 01:54:05,640
let's try to save the show
again.

1884
01:54:07,280 --> 01:54:09,280
At this point, it's probably not
going to happen because the

1885
01:54:09,280 --> 01:54:13,400
cancellation wasn't what April
it was announced or May it's

1886
01:54:13,400 --> 01:54:16,760
September now.
There's been no, no words.

1887
01:54:16,760 --> 01:54:19,360
So I think.
Only only Bezos can bring it

1888
01:54:19,360 --> 01:54:21,440
back.
He's the only one.

1889
01:54:24,440 --> 01:54:26,480
And from what I understand, a
lot of these people, they've

1890
01:54:26,480 --> 01:54:30,280
already started, they've already
signed off for other stuff.

1891
01:54:30,320 --> 01:54:32,200
Well, I mean, yeah, 'cause
you're not going to.

1892
01:54:32,680 --> 01:54:35,960
Yeah, you still got to work.
You still got to work.

1893
01:54:36,440 --> 01:54:41,960
Matter of fact, I think I saw
something else that Rosamund

1894
01:54:41,960 --> 01:54:45,760
Pike is supposed to be doing.
I think she's in a movie with a

1895
01:54:45,760 --> 01:54:47,200
couple of people.
She's in the noon now.

1896
01:54:47,280 --> 01:54:48,680
She's in the noon now.
You see me?

1897
01:54:49,680 --> 01:54:52,880
Yes, the main villain.
Yes, that's what I saw.

1898
01:54:53,160 --> 01:54:54,680
Yeah.
Now you see me, now you don't.

1899
01:54:55,720 --> 01:54:59,000
Yes.
So yeah.

1900
01:54:59,000 --> 01:55:02,480
The best we're going to get,
maybe maybe someone release the

1901
01:55:02,480 --> 01:55:04,600
outlines that they were going to
do.

1902
01:55:06,240 --> 01:55:09,000
Yeah, maybe Rafe, whatever his
name is.

1903
01:55:09,000 --> 01:55:12,960
Maybe he'll he'll Rafe Jenkins.
Maybe he'll do some interviews

1904
01:55:12,960 --> 01:55:16,400
and talk about where they were
going to go with the show.

1905
01:55:17,240 --> 01:55:25,080
Yeah, I'm so sad, so sad.
What would you have said?

1906
01:55:25,520 --> 01:55:28,080
Oh, I.
Was looking at the end seeing

1907
01:55:28,080 --> 01:55:33,280
bang and foul and then walking
just walking away from from the

1908
01:55:33,280 --> 01:55:34,320
rivers.
I was just like.

1909
01:55:35,960 --> 01:55:37,920
They're going to get that boy.
They're going.

1910
01:55:38,040 --> 01:55:39,320
To rescue Karen they were
making.

1911
01:55:40,080 --> 01:55:41,720
Plan.
That's what I'm thinking.

1912
01:55:41,720 --> 01:55:44,120
I'm like, they was like the way
they were looking though.

1913
01:55:44,120 --> 01:55:46,760
Yeah, the way they were looking,
though.

1914
01:55:46,760 --> 01:55:50,440
It's just like, I know, I know
fail, fail probably was.

1915
01:55:50,440 --> 01:55:53,440
I was like, and that's another
thing, damn it.

1916
01:55:53,600 --> 01:55:56,920
We finally get characters that
with that are interesting and

1917
01:55:56,920 --> 01:55:59,600
they're like, OK, not like I was
actually.

1918
01:56:00,040 --> 01:56:04,520
I'm not too, too proud to admit
that this show was kind of meant

1919
01:56:04,520 --> 01:56:07,880
for It's been kind of meant for
me since then of since I started

1920
01:56:07,880 --> 01:56:10,040
watching it.
I was kind of like, OK, like

1921
01:56:10,040 --> 01:56:12,160
it's fine.
Like I was I was pretty much

1922
01:56:12,160 --> 01:56:15,440
Anthony Food First two seasons
through the season and 1/2 was

1923
01:56:15,440 --> 01:56:19,480
like, it's fine.
It's cool, but it's like it's

1924
01:56:19,480 --> 01:56:23,600
really grown on me like and it's
like that's why I hate, I hate

1925
01:56:23,600 --> 01:56:27,320
it when they do this man,
because it's like fell violin

1926
01:56:27,320 --> 01:56:31,160
and my dog were was like it was
like getting to be that power

1927
01:56:31,160 --> 01:56:34,320
couple and I was just like, man,
I need to see more of that, Like

1928
01:56:34,320 --> 01:56:39,440
I need that for real.
Yeah, that is the one thing the

1929
01:56:39,520 --> 01:56:44,520
the so I, I did a Wheel of Time
panel at Dragon Con and then I

1930
01:56:44,520 --> 01:56:48,280
attended a Wheel of Time panel
and that's the one thing I think

1931
01:56:50,120 --> 01:56:52,120
that was said across both
panels.

1932
01:56:52,640 --> 01:56:55,800
Everyone said that Fayil was
perfect.

1933
01:56:56,000 --> 01:56:58,760
They said her casting was
perfect, the way she was

1934
01:56:58,760 --> 01:57:00,320
portrayed was perfect.
They're like.

1935
01:57:00,800 --> 01:57:03,440
I think I said it on the I think
I said it on this podcast.

1936
01:57:04,160 --> 01:57:06,560
Yeah, yeah.
Everybody was saying, yeah, they

1937
01:57:06,560 --> 01:57:08,480
love Fayil.
They were like that's that's one

1938
01:57:08,480 --> 01:57:10,760
of their favorite characters.
I'm like, what, You're going to

1939
01:57:10,760 --> 01:57:11,600
kid her?
Yeah.

1940
01:57:11,920 --> 01:57:15,680
So tell me about because I was I
was on the panel at the time you

1941
01:57:15,680 --> 01:57:20,520
were on your what what the
future holds or what what was

1942
01:57:20,520 --> 01:57:24,720
possibly the future of the show,
the story.

1943
01:57:24,880 --> 01:57:26,560
Well, I mean.
So.

1944
01:57:26,920 --> 01:57:30,960
So it's, it was, I don't want to
say difficult for me because

1945
01:57:30,960 --> 01:57:32,640
again, I don't have the book
knowledge.

1946
01:57:32,640 --> 01:57:36,800
So it was really a lot of
discussions about some of the

1947
01:57:36,800 --> 01:57:40,280
storylines in the books that of
course, I can't recall to you

1948
01:57:40,280 --> 01:57:43,200
because I'm not familiar with
them, but they were talking

1949
01:57:43,200 --> 01:57:49,000
about certain things and about
how they they could have seen

1950
01:57:49,000 --> 01:57:51,520
certain certain storylines being
pulled for the show.

1951
01:57:51,520 --> 01:57:56,360
But also, I think the the thing
about Suan was kind of like,

1952
01:57:57,320 --> 01:58:00,960
what are y'all doing?
What are y'all doing as far as

1953
01:58:01,040 --> 01:58:09,200
her dying so, so early?
But it was that one was mostly

1954
01:58:09,200 --> 01:58:12,120
book talk.
I think the other panel, the one

1955
01:58:12,120 --> 01:58:15,520
that was the Season 3 review, I
mean, there were, there were

1956
01:58:15,520 --> 01:58:21,480
again, a lot of positive
feelings about the show,

1957
01:58:21,480 --> 01:58:24,000
especially for third season, a
lot of disappointment.

1958
01:58:25,200 --> 01:58:30,160
I know that Jen, who is the
track director for High Fantasy,

1959
01:58:30,160 --> 01:58:33,960
something that she said about
she was talking about how the

1960
01:58:33,960 --> 01:58:37,800
show is pretty much dead in the
water because they've, you know,

1961
01:58:37,920 --> 01:58:43,160
they've dropped all options for
they've dropped the, I guess the

1962
01:58:43,160 --> 01:58:47,040
rights have resorted back to
whoever was holding them and

1963
01:58:47,160 --> 01:58:50,000
they have no plans on shopping
it anywhere further.

1964
01:58:50,360 --> 01:58:55,320
And then I saw, I guess somebody
who was in the audience rights

1965
01:58:55,320 --> 01:58:59,760
for one of the fandom media
outlets because they quoted her

1966
01:58:59,760 --> 01:59:04,000
on that.
So it was, it was an interesting

1967
01:59:04,000 --> 01:59:05,840
discussion.
Like I said, a lot of people

1968
01:59:05,840 --> 01:59:10,280
were very happy with the way
Season 3 was, even people who

1969
01:59:10,280 --> 01:59:13,440
didn't really care for it.
Last season.

1970
01:59:13,440 --> 01:59:16,080
I think everybody was kind of in
agreement that Season 2 was the

1971
01:59:16,080 --> 01:59:21,160
weakest, but a lot of people
were happy with the season.

1972
01:59:21,160 --> 01:59:23,360
A lot of people are disappointed
that is not coming back.

1973
01:59:23,360 --> 01:59:26,200
It was fun.
I was, I was just kind of going

1974
01:59:26,240 --> 01:59:29,440
back and forth listening to them
talk about certain things and

1975
01:59:31,720 --> 01:59:34,880
what was it?
There was something I said.

1976
01:59:35,200 --> 01:59:36,800
You probably got spoiled a lot
too.

1977
01:59:37,000 --> 01:59:39,480
I I did, but I kind of figured
that was going in and I was

1978
01:59:39,480 --> 01:59:42,400
like, OK, I'm not going to worry
about that because I had already

1979
01:59:42,400 --> 01:59:48,960
known some spoilers just from
seeing things online, talking to

1980
01:59:48,960 --> 01:59:50,560
you.
Because I think this was one of

1981
01:59:50,560 --> 01:59:52,400
those shows where I was like,
OK, I really don't care about

1982
01:59:52,400 --> 01:59:55,640
spoilers because they could do
something completely different

1983
01:59:55,640 --> 01:59:57,840
in the show than they did in the
book.

1984
01:59:58,040 --> 02:00:00,960
And we have.
That was one of the reasons why

1985
02:00:00,960 --> 02:00:03,280
even when we started watching
the show, I was like, OK, I'm

1986
02:00:03,280 --> 02:00:06,080
going to wait.
Before I read the books because

1987
02:00:06,080 --> 02:00:10,640
I don't want my brain to be
confusing what's what's show and

1988
02:00:10,640 --> 02:00:14,040
then what's books?
So there was something that I

1989
02:00:14,040 --> 02:00:17,000
said, I can't even remember what
it was when I said it, something

1990
02:00:17,000 --> 02:00:20,760
that I wish to happen in the
show. 1 of my Co panelists was

1991
02:00:20,760 --> 02:00:23,000
like, oh, you lied to us.
You told us you didn't know

1992
02:00:23,000 --> 02:00:26,040
anything about the books.
So I was like, oh, was that spot

1993
02:00:26,040 --> 02:00:27,240
on?
And he was like, yeah, that does

1994
02:00:27,240 --> 02:00:29,000
happen in the books.
I don't even remember what it

1995
02:00:29,000 --> 02:00:31,800
was, but they were, they were
fun discussions.

1996
02:00:33,400 --> 02:00:39,720
But I think once I start reading
the books, I do think I'm

1997
02:00:39,760 --> 02:00:43,960
probably going to go back to
Jordan Con in March and go for

1998
02:00:43,960 --> 02:00:46,320
the full weekend.
I'm going to definitely make

1999
02:00:46,320 --> 02:00:51,440
plans to do it just because I do
see where this could be one of

2000
02:00:51,440 --> 02:00:55,520
those fandoms that I kind of
start to obsess over.

2001
02:00:57,120 --> 02:01:00,840
Not like obsessed.
I mean, you know, you know how

2002
02:01:00,840 --> 02:01:03,640
to get with with certain things,
but.

2003
02:01:05,040 --> 02:01:08,040
Yeah, and then we can't dislike
something, we obsess over it.

2004
02:01:08,080 --> 02:01:09,400
No, exactly.
Yeah, we have.

2005
02:01:09,480 --> 02:01:14,920
You know we have to love it.
And I mean, the fact that we

2006
02:01:14,920 --> 02:01:19,160
have a convention for this
fandom right here in our

2007
02:01:19,160 --> 02:01:22,520
backyard is literally like the
hotel that they do it at is like

2008
02:01:22,520 --> 02:01:25,000
20 minutes away, 25 minutes
away.

2009
02:01:25,000 --> 02:01:29,280
So I guess I'll go get my fix
then.

2010
02:01:29,960 --> 02:01:31,520
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.

2011
02:01:32,200 --> 02:01:35,240
Might as well.
But you guys have any final

2012
02:01:35,240 --> 02:01:40,680
thoughts on?
My final thought is I, I, I talk

2013
02:01:40,680 --> 02:01:43,560
a lot and mess about the show.
I am disappointed.

2014
02:01:44,240 --> 02:01:47,920
You know, I, I think I may have
said this on the land panel that

2015
02:01:47,920 --> 02:01:51,960
I was on, that I, I, I do, I, I
really would have liked to have

2016
02:01:51,960 --> 02:01:54,640
seen the Season 4.
I think it would have been.

2017
02:01:54,640 --> 02:01:56,720
I think it would have been good.
They were on the right track.

2018
02:01:58,440 --> 02:01:59,640
Yeah, I think it would have been
good.

2019
02:02:00,400 --> 02:02:04,040
So I am disappointed also this
this for the record.

2020
02:02:04,360 --> 02:02:07,160
Yeah, you just keep making fun
of me and Mike because we're, I

2021
02:02:07,160 --> 02:02:09,120
think we're a little more
emotional about it.

2022
02:02:09,720 --> 02:02:12,600
Yeah, whatever.
I I'm, I'm just, I'm just mad

2023
02:02:12,600 --> 02:02:14,160
because they're doing it to me
again.

2024
02:02:14,360 --> 02:02:17,480
This is Shadow and Bone all
fucking over again and I'm

2025
02:02:17,480 --> 02:02:21,360
pissed.
Shadow and Bone Discovery

2026
02:02:21,360 --> 02:02:27,520
Witches cursed like shows that
we were interested in that that

2027
02:02:27,520 --> 02:02:30,720
had potential to be like really,
really good shows and.

2028
02:02:31,040 --> 02:02:32,920
It's like I really, I really
want to, I really want to do

2029
02:02:32,920 --> 02:02:36,120
this panel at Conjuration.
I think that this would be a

2030
02:02:36,120 --> 02:02:39,720
good one to like vent and get
people to get their emotions out

2031
02:02:39,720 --> 02:02:44,960
because a lot of people like, I
know I understand the dollar.

2032
02:02:45,040 --> 02:02:47,920
The bottom line you got this has
to make money has to have these.

2033
02:02:47,960 --> 02:02:50,520
I get that.
But I don't think people real.

2034
02:02:50,520 --> 02:02:53,440
I don't just like, I think they
realize that they don't care,

2035
02:02:53,440 --> 02:02:58,160
but these shows get into
people's minds and hearts and

2036
02:02:58,160 --> 02:02:59,800
it's something that they cling
to.

2037
02:02:59,880 --> 02:03:02,560
It's like it's something that,
you know, I mean.

2038
02:03:03,360 --> 02:03:05,200
That's what I'm saying all over
again.

2039
02:03:05,880 --> 02:03:08,640
Basically, I mean, it's like
these are things.

2040
02:03:08,720 --> 02:03:12,000
That Anthony.
These are things that we that we

2041
02:03:12,000 --> 02:03:17,120
as nerds, geeks have that that
give us an escape and it gives

2042
02:03:17,120 --> 02:03:21,760
us something that helps, that
helps us like cope with things.

2043
02:03:21,760 --> 02:03:25,800
And it's like to just, you know,
have something that, you know,

2044
02:03:25,800 --> 02:03:29,560
takes our mind off of all this
other bullshit for like the next

2045
02:03:29,560 --> 02:03:33,520
48 to 50 minutes.
Yeah, give me, give me some man.

2046
02:03:33,520 --> 02:03:36,040
I'm just just fucking irritates
me.

2047
02:03:36,360 --> 02:03:40,760
And it's like, you see the stuff
that, that people that they keep

2048
02:03:40,760 --> 02:03:43,680
going, I'm like, y'all, y'all
just ridiculous.

2049
02:03:43,680 --> 02:03:45,000
You're being, you're being
ridiculous.

2050
02:03:45,680 --> 02:03:49,840
But you know, here's what it is.
I mean, hopefully if they do do

2051
02:03:49,840 --> 02:03:54,360
something, I hope they do better
than how they did Sense 8, cause

2052
02:03:54,360 --> 02:03:57,800
Sense 8 was one of those shows
that was on Netflix that

2053
02:03:57,880 --> 02:03:59,360
everybody loved, myself
included.

2054
02:03:59,360 --> 02:04:03,400
It's great show got canceled.
They switched one of the one of

2055
02:04:03,400 --> 02:04:06,240
the main characters and, and it
was just weird.

2056
02:04:06,240 --> 02:04:08,760
It wasn't the same.
So they canceled the show.

2057
02:04:09,080 --> 02:04:11,480
Then everybody said no, no,
bring it back.

2058
02:04:11,480 --> 02:04:16,400
And they did like a 2 hour movie
finale, which seemed rushed,

2059
02:04:16,920 --> 02:04:20,520
which just kind of crammed.
They tried to cram a whole

2060
02:04:20,520 --> 02:04:24,720
season like 8 or 9 episodes into
two hours and it didn't work.

2061
02:04:25,560 --> 02:04:27,080
And.
It really the same thing with

2062
02:04:27,160 --> 02:04:29,400
fire, with Firefly, with
Serenity.

2063
02:04:30,040 --> 02:04:31,280
They.
Tried to wrap it up I mean.

2064
02:04:32,880 --> 02:04:34,400
But they they didn't have, they
didn't have to kill.

2065
02:04:34,400 --> 02:04:38,200
They didn't have to kill my boy.
I mean, but anyway, I'm gonna

2066
02:04:38,960 --> 02:04:40,520
leave on the wind.
OK, so anyway.

2067
02:04:40,960 --> 02:04:45,600
But yeah, I hope that if they if
they do give us some kind of

2068
02:04:45,600 --> 02:04:51,440
closure, I would rather it be a
miniseries of like 3 to 4, like

2069
02:04:51,800 --> 02:04:55,400
3 to 4 episodes just to wrap it
up if you want, if they want to

2070
02:04:55,400 --> 02:04:58,040
wrap it up.
But I mean, really, I wanted to

2071
02:04:58,040 --> 02:04:59,320
bring should bring the
motherfucker back.

2072
02:04:59,400 --> 02:05:02,440
But if they want to try to give
us closure, then fine.

2073
02:05:02,720 --> 02:05:05,960
But don't give me a don't give
me a 2 hour mini movie to try to

2074
02:05:05,960 --> 02:05:08,320
wrap this shit up and I was just
not going to work.

2075
02:05:08,880 --> 02:05:12,600
No, so that they got too much
going on too many characters,

2076
02:05:12,600 --> 02:05:17,240
too many story arcs.
Yeah, I I think as much as I

2077
02:05:17,240 --> 02:05:19,960
hate to admit it, it's it's
probably a done deal.

2078
02:05:19,960 --> 02:05:25,520
We probably won't get any
anything for it, which is sad.

2079
02:05:25,520 --> 02:05:29,240
But like Anthony said, now is
the perfect time, especially

2080
02:05:29,240 --> 02:05:33,480
since we're still kind of our
heads are still in this world.

2081
02:05:33,480 --> 02:05:36,640
Now would be the perfect time to
go and read the books, you know?

2082
02:05:37,560 --> 02:05:41,000
Then again, that's most likely
what I'm going to start doing.

2083
02:05:41,920 --> 02:05:42,880
So.
Yeah.

2084
02:05:43,320 --> 02:05:47,560
And I'll take with me, the memo
reads.

2085
02:05:50,920 --> 02:05:56,080
And on that note, that is it for
The Wheel of Time and for our

2086
02:05:56,080 --> 02:05:59,040
show.
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2087
02:05:59,040 --> 02:06:03,600
www.phantomhybrid.com.
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2088
02:06:03,600 --> 02:06:05,440
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2089
02:06:05,760 --> 02:06:08,720
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2090
02:06:08,720 --> 02:06:12,440
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2091
02:06:12,440 --> 02:06:14,400
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2092
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