The Wheel of Time SERIES Finale - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #377

0:24 What's up, hybrids? Welcome back to another episode of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast. This is Hanukkah and I am here with Anthony and Mike. And we are finally, finally, after some delays and some denial, finally discussing the series finale of The Wheel of Time. Yes, I know we are months late, but I have been in denial. I've been hoping that something would happen to save this show, but it is now September. I don't think it's gonna happen. It's not gonna happen. I'm mad.

1:07 I know, I think Mike and I are the mad ones. Anthony is just amused at this point. I am amused. And I don't think you're amused about the fact that got cancelled. You're amused by me and Mike's reactions to it. I am. Yeah, I am. You see. See, The thing is, you and I and Mike, you know, you can't invest too much of yourself in any show, especially a genre show, because every network, every streaming. Service streaming service. They will pull the plug, I know whenever they want and it happens even when before streaming.

1:51 NBC, end of the season plug, Pull ABC, they'll be halfway through the season, pull the plug. Fox. They just move the show around until people forget where it is and then they pull the plug. CBS don't really cancel shows because they always put shows on that our older viewers just kind of watch. But all the other networks I have always, always, I learned my list a long time ago. Don't get invested like that because it could be gone in a heartbeat. I love foundation. Foundation is a great show.

2:31 Apple don't really cancel much of anything, but I can't be too into it. Like they just finished season 3 and I don't know if there's going to be a season 4. They got they got renewed. I think I saw the announcement 2 days ago. Well, yeah, I'm, I'm kind of being facetious about it because they had started production like a month ago, they had started pre production and after they just had announced it was renewed, but they already started production. Oh, OK. But but that but but again, like you just can't get too invested in these shows because they'll go they'll go especially expensive on the streaming service. This is an expensive show. Yeah, yeah, it is.

3:14 And I mean, I, I understand that. I think the thing that kind of bothers me though, is that you have other shows that may not be as well received or may not, may not be as good, but they are getting the renewals. And a lot of the shows that are producing quality episodes, quality writing, they're just being let go. And a lot of them are not even making it past the first season. So the fact that we got three seasons of this, I am appreciative, but it just kind of sucks because I think the third season was probably, I would say maybe the strongest out of the three seasons. And so to come off such a strong season into a cancellation, it hurts because it's it's a great show. And then like Anthony and I, when you were gone, Mike, we actually recorded kind of our reaction to the cancellation. And unfortunately, I accidentally lost that file. So I don't have it.

4:15 But one of the things that I was saying is it really hurts about this show because this show kind of checked all the boxes without checking all of the boxes, if you know what I mean? It's like it had all of the things that we look for in TV, but it wasn't it wasn't perfunctory. It wasn't just the, oh, OK, we want more people of color, check. OK, we want more LGBT representation, check. It wasn't like it was just thrown in there just to say they had it. Like it made sense for the story. It was a very natural part of the story, you know, so and it's one of the rare shows that actually does all of that and just for us to to to lose it in that way, you know, a show about women where women are the lead, women are the stronger.

5:10 Just yes, it's it's. Yeah. I get that. I mean it because there aren't that many shows that can do it naturally and not make it seem like they're they're doing it for pride month or Black History Month or whatever month. It is just throwing in, throwing in a mention of or throwing in a character throw away character that's going to just going to recur like two or three times. Like they actually did a good job of having people like be of integral, integral, integral part of the story and making it, making whatever they are, black, white, Hispanic, Asian, gay, bi, straight, making that a secondary thing to the character and how important they are. Like no one really can like say, oh, oh, oh, she likes girls too. Oh, cool.

5:59 But she's actually like, you know, like Elena, it's like, you know, you see her and I'm like, OK, but you know, I don't care about whatever her lifestyle choice is. She's a good character. She's she's important to she's important to the story. She's a good character and I don't care about anything else. But anything else about that is cool that she is. But it's still but it's still second is secondary is not something they're throwing in your face. There's like, oh, by the way, she's that. Oh cool. OK, before we start, in the words of Troy on waiting to exhale later, you raggedly bitch, I swear to fucking God.

6:40 OK, so I guess that tells us where we're going to start with this episode because I was like, we can go to three places. We can go to the waste, we can go to Tan Chico or we can go to the tower. So I guess since you started that off my list. I've been. I've been wanting to say that ever since I finished watching that episode. That you raggedly bitch, I swear to God. And The thing is, I blame Sawan for this too. Or because she sent everybody away to go chase those red Aja. I'm like, really, bitch, you know, you know, she's trying to take the seat. You know, good and damn well she wants your fucking seat. Are you going to send all your protection away on a wild fucking goose chase? It's like I thought about it and I was like, does she? Was she just like, you know what? I'm tired. She probably, I think she wanted to send them away just so they wouldn't get killed like the like if they're if they start fighting amongst themselves, she was like, I'll put them, She sent them. It's like she's some way to protect them so that whenever this happened, she knew that she knew that Eliza was going to kill her.

7:35 She was like, I'm done. I don't. I, you know what? I disagree with that. I really think that's the one at that point. She just underestimated a lot and probably because, you know, a couple of episodes ago, she saved the life from the Gray Man and she probably was like, OK, she's not going to do anything. I don't think she expected it to go to the extreme that it did. But I mean, she knew Eliza was plotting against her, but as far as the one knew, she had the support of the tower. I mean, the whole episode starts out with her being selected ambulance seat 10 years ago. So we kind of see what the dynamics of that were. And it was very clear that the sisters back then did not want Elida as the ambulance seat because when they started the voting, you know, they say 11 sitters have to have the majority vote.

8:28 So when they started out, so one only had the four votes and then when they got ready to move to Elida, then she gets the other seven votes that she needs to become ambulance seat. So I don't know, maybe it was a little bit of naivete on her part. Maybe it was just, I don't know, her thinking better of a lot of than she should have. But I also blame someone and I I blame her because if she had listened to Leanna, her voice, her second, if she had listened to what she was saying, I think there could have been a different outcome because she would have been prepared.

9:14 She wouldn't have been distracted. That's the other thing. You still sitting in this tower reading letters from Lorraine. It you got other important things to worry about then your ex-girlfriend. I'm so sorry. It's just, yeah, I don't think she made the best choices in this episode. And then for it to go as far left as it did. Her. There and. Away rolled left. Right. But I mean, her sending there and away, like, OK, this episode was the one they told me because you remember I've been going back and forth about Varen. Is she loyal? Is she not? Is she a dart friend?

9:55 Like was she that secret Dart friend? Like, I don't know what to think about Varen. OK, so at the end of this episode, I'm very much convinced that she was definitely backing so on. But it's like you took the you took one of the two strongest allies you had in that tower and you sent her away on a goose chase because you're worried about them being able to still ran. But still, you're not telling people like like Leanna said, tell our sisters what is going on. Tell me what's going on. Make us believe in this like you believe in it. You're trying to tell us that we have to support the Dragon Reborn when everything we've ever known has been to the contrary. Give us a good reason to understand this. And I understand this.

10:47 The one's mind. She probably was just like I'm the ambulance seat. You gonna do what I talk what I'm telling you. But we see how that worked out for her. It didn't. And I think if she had just placed a little bit more trust in the people she had around her, the, the, what we ended up with wouldn't have happened, you know, And I think now it even pisses me off a little bit more about the show being cancelled now because we get the the ending that we we got for Swan and there's going to be no follow up. And I'm just I'm passed. Well, information is powered and someone thought holding on to the information would help her with their power. But I just want to agree with you. She was overconfident in the support that she had from the tower.

11:43 And you're right, Leanne should just Leanne was right to tell her you need to tell them what's going on. You said something interesting. I'm not sure that they, they, I think they have kind of forgotten the whole point of, of the dragon, right. I think they've kind of lost the idea that they're supposed to support the dragon, not necessarily control him. I think that I think that's sort of what's been lost because if you think about it, the Blues or marine and and Swan aren't trying to control him.

12:25 They, they want to support him and help him. And if they had had been sowing those seeds all along, then it would have been different because you really just have the Reds. The Reds want to control him and bind him and do whatever because they use them as a weapon in the final battle. But if they pay attention to the prophecies, which they have access to, it doesn't say anything about just him being a weapon. He still has to be taught. He still has to be guided. He still has to be advised. And I think they they're just, they're so caught up in their own infighting and politics and they're so short sighted that they don't realize that everything they're doing this to the detriment of everybody.

13:08 Yeah. You know, the red, the red Doja don't like men anyway. So it's like there there there was no no chance that they were going to treat Rand fairly, treat the dragon fairly anyway, like they were going to use him anyway, because they don't. They weren't going to see him as an equal. They're going to see him as something to be. They're going to see him as an implement, like they don't care about him, like they they can give all. All the prophecies point to him leading everybody in the final battle. Not well. But the red Dodger? Had to it, it it. Basically the proxy base says he has to face the Dark One and find him. He doesn't say anybody's got to control him to do it. He has to do it. Because we've heard this like since the start of the show. And I guess we can go, we can kind of go into spoilers now because we're talking about the what ifs of what would have happened if this had this show had continued. Oh, hold on, hold on.

14:01 I I am curious at the end of this, can we talk about your your panel that you did your dragon con? Yes. OK, yeah, but so my question is this whole idea that the tower is supposed to cage him and control him in the last battle, where does that come from? Themselves. It doesn't come from anywhere else, is it? It's it's just what they want to do. The prophecies don't say that. OK. And I'm sure they have access to all of them. The Browns would know all of this information. Yeah. And I was going to say maybe that's something that we would have found out more of in season 4, because I know they talk about the prophecy a little bit, but it's always I think the way they've always presented it has been matter of fact that if you know that when the dragon comes, they're supposed to cage him.

14:56 They're supposed to use him to to win the last battle for the light. But it's kind of like if you think about the the conversation that Ran has with Moraine later on in this episode, when he's, you know, he's putting everything together. He was like, OK, so you were the 1. You were part of the attack in tan, not tan Chico Tarba LON with the mirrors and the you know, and everything that happened with us. Then he said you teamed up with Land Fear to do that, to try to separate me from me, Gwen and all this other stuff that she's been doing. And he was like, you want to do it so that you could control me. And she was like, yes, because I wanted to make sure that you were going to fight for the light. And if at any time you look like you were going to lose your mind or go to the dark, I was prepared to kill you and ran at that moment.

15:49 I think fully appreciates Moraine's role in all of this because he could have gone left long time ago, you know? But Moraine has been there on his heels. And it's just, I think it's so interesting because we know that she and Salon were the only two who heard that prophecy that I forgot what her name was made about the dragon and that the tower must support him at the, you know, when the time comes. But you don't know. It's just, I'm still baffled. Like I know that she told them not to tell anyone. But at a certain point, especially with someone, when you see that everything is falling apart in front of you, First of all, you have dark Asha, black Asha in your tower, and you had no clue that it was as rampant as it was.

16:42 Then you see, you have people deserting, you have people who obviously are not as trusting of you, and then you have a light as to die come in and she is sowing all of these seeds of distrust and malcontent. And it's just like you are the ambulance seat. You are supposed to be the wisest of them all. And up until this point, they have presented her personality and her person as someone who is wise beyond her years. So it just, it really kind of confused me why at the end, in the very, very end, she just didn't. I I don't know.

17:26 It's almost like Mike said, like she got to the point where she was like, OK, I'm tired. I don't want to do this anymore. But I don't think Salon would have been like that because she knew what was at stake. Yeah. You know, And even though her and Moraine aren't together, she knows Moraine is still out there doing her part to make sure that Rand succeeds. So I would think that she would be equally as determined to make sure that she does her part even after Moraine told her you were supposed to get the tower ready to follow him and you haven't followed through on that. This would have been the perfect time for her to be like OK look I know y'all don't trust me. Let me tell you what's going on. Because her given the the confession after she has been stealed, after she has been beaten and tortured to a lighter of all people, in a room full of people who went against her, At this point it was moot point because even if they had kept Swan alive, nobody in that room had to go back and tell everyone. Oh well, this is what she said.

18:30 This is why we should They didn't have to do that. She had nobody in the room to be her witness. Well, in in the books is is much more, I don't want to use the word dastardly, but Elijah was really good at manipulating things behind the scenes. So as far as Swan knew, she still had the full support of the majority of the tower. She didn't know and she she had no idea. Especially when you have sitters like the head of the white aisle to her. No, you're good, you're good. But behind the back, they're all turning against her. She had no idea. And and that white, that white Asha that's a that's a 2 faced bitch.

19:16 Because at the beginning when we see a lighter come through the the arches, you know, a lot is like, oh, I'm sure I still have your support. And then she voted for salon and then she turned around and did the complete opposite with it in this one. I was like, you know what, those white Asha just, she made me mad. She made me mad. But yeah, I think, like I said, I think one of the things that really kind of pissed me off. And I know a lot of people were pissed about this for other reasons, but to have them kill someone in such a brutal way and then for that to be where we end the show?

20:07 Man. That shit, that shit was fucking. It it's it's it's so hard not to tell y'all, it's so hard. But if you, if you wanted to split the tower and, and and keep the tower unstable, unstable, yeah. Would it make sense to keep switching sides if that was your plan? Yeah, you're. Right. Oh yeah, I support this one. Oh, OK, well now I'm gonna support you. Yeah. And and back on your Verren thing. I mean sure, Verren might support her.

20:50 She still might not because if she was a dark friend or Black Aja, she wouldn't have had no choice but to to go and do what she was told. Well, you know, thinking about that too, if she was black, Asha, if she. Wasn't and and that would lead to the destabilization of the tower too. Yeah, yeah. And I was thinking about that, too. She still could have been a black Asha or dark friend. And then you know someone sending her away would have just been a great excuse because again, you are sitting one of the sitters away. Like how did that make sense? You could have told Aaron to send some other women to go apprehend. The red eyes should to go stop the red eyes should. Why would you send one of the sitters that you know supposedly has your back?

21:43 It just. Well, she didn't know that they were going to call for a quorum vote. But again, that's that's the. Thing and and she. Should have known a lighter was plotting something. Well, I'm, I'm just going to tell you this, there are a whole lot more black Asha then you realize. It's it's almost the size of a regular Asha. I kind of. Figured this money it is. There are a lot of them. Yeah, I. Figured it's a lot of them. Yeah, yeah. Black Asha Stage 1. Black Asha Stage 2. Black Asha Stage 2. Well, they they are in cells and they don't know who. They are, yeah.

22:26 I remember. It's. Like there are few. One other person was so so and I and I get that and I thinking about that, I can kind of sort of see why Swan may have kept stuff to herself. Because if you still have Black Asha in the tower and she goes and tells everyone, OK, This is why we need to support the Dragon reborn. Those Black Asha can at that point, let other people know, find a way to let Leandra know, or they could have taken other measures within the tower. So I under it. I guess it's one of those things. It's kind of like she's damned if she do, damned if she don't, you know, because one, aside from Leanna, she really didn't know who she could trust.

23:17 You know, the only other person that she could have trusted was Moraine. And Moraine is already out in the IO waste with Rand doing what she's supposed to do. So I guess I can see it. I think it's just it's frustrating because now we'll never know what her motivation was for keeping that information to herself and how things might have been different. It it if we really could extrapolate and say she really was still just trying to protect Moraine and Rand? Yeah. Because at the at that time, they didn't know where he was. They didn't know where Moraine was.

23:58 And if she were to tell them this is what the plan is, then that's telling the Dark, the Black Aja and all the Dark friends what their plan is. He has to get prepared. And so she's going to keep the information away as long as she can until he's ready. And then she was going to go, OK, this is what we're going to do. But you're right. Her goal was to get the Tower prepared to support Rand, not cage him. So she should have been sowing those seeds for a while. Yeah. Her only opposition, but her and her only opposition would have been the red, the red Aja.

24:42 But that's, that's not what she did, you know? Yeah, I, I so, so tell me because some of the outrage that I saw soon after this episode aired. So Juan does die in the books, but she does not die in the way that she dies, and she dies much later, correct? Much later. OK, so I saw a lot of people who were upset about that. She has a really good story arc for for a side character. OK, OK. And then of course, there were people who were upset because you had such a violent death of a black woman character.

25:28 And if it had been any other show or if it had been a show that was predominantly white, I could understand that outrage. I really for this show, I think it's misplaced because the cast is so diverse. You know, I don't think it was, I don't think it was a a decision of, oh, she's the black character, let's let's kill her, or she's a minority character, let's kill her. I mean you can literally kill half of the characters here and it could be evenly spread. She was killed by a minority, so it's kind of. Yeah. But I I just think that, yeah, the better decisions just should have been made by Swan and.

26:20 Well, well I guess what I can understand why people are bothered but the the main thing looking at where her character was supposed to go as opposed to where she ended up, it's almost like where y'all you killed you killed her off. And she is a fairly important side character in the book. So are you were you were they planning on having another character feel that role? You know what I'm saying? Like, right, right. You're you're killing her. Why? You know what I'm saying? Like you're getting you're you're disposing of almost a a pretty good side character storyline that actually helps out Rand, Andy, Gwen in the long run.

27:13 And I need because something happens that's very important with with her character. How are you going to do all this? You know what I'm saying that the only thing I could think of is Leanne was going to become a more important character because they actually together in the book when they get steeled and they get exiled. So they're together for the the majority of that time that that storyline and something important happens to them, which is important for a lot of other characters in the story. OK, so did they. Steal Liana in this one? Or did they they just bound her or or just kind of incapacitated her so she couldn't interfere? I would say she was probably going to be stealed. OK, because that was.

28:00 I think. I think they bound her. I think they bounded, but I'm pretty sure they were going to steal her because otherwise, otherwise what what was the point of the character anyway? Yeah, because they, they, I'm, I'm just going to say it. At some point it gets undone and no one knew it could be undone and it was the. Stealing or like. The the severing, the stealing. OK, OK. And that's why their cage is important, because they're the only ones, because everyone else they have besides Logane, they, they die, they kill themselves. So it it would have, it would have it was going to be an important part of the story. OK, OK.

28:48 Because I was also thinking like, I know Elita's character is evil. OK, she might think she's doing the best for the tower, whatever, whatever. That bitch is evil. And I think it really kind of like, I still, I don't think I expected Salon to be killed, but I knew it was going to be a hard thing for her because of the way that they stealed her. Like you could have just done your little weaves and and taking her power, whatever. But the way that they did it with like the swords and the daggers and the the brutality of it, I was like, wow, this chick really does not like someone. And I would have actually loved to have seen a little bit more of that back story.

29:38 I mean, I know a lot of it has to do with the fact that she lost the ambulance seat to her, but even from the moment she got there, her animosity towards Swan was so over the top that I feel like there's more story to that. And I would have loved to have seen that, especially since we just got shore Agdashlu in this series. Like I would have liked to have seen her character for a little bit longer and, and just kind of follow her, her trajectory, how she went from being a, you know, a novice to what she is. Because I looking at her character in this episode I was like she is probably one of the most evil characters I can think of in TV right now. You keep throwing that word around evil, did you? Not see what she did to someone.

30:32 She's evil. She's brutal. I mean, as far as in her mind, Swan is a Dart friend and has been acting as such. And they get and that's how they're treated. And as far as she knows, she's Black Aja. So that's that's how they get treated. I know, I know. And so, you know, calling her evil. Well, I guess I'm calling her evil because I get to see both sides and I know that what she did was not justified. You know what I'm saying? So I I'm being. Emotional. We know it's not we. I know I think emotional about. It they they, she is from her perspective, she is justified. It was a little bit over the top, I will give you that. Granted it was brutal and it was all not it was not necessary, but execution is warranted if she's a dark friend or a black Aja.

31:28 Yeah. And they don't have to prove it, do they? They just all they all they need is a suspicion. As long as they believe it. Let's see. As long as they believe it. OK, but yeah, I I don't Even so light is the ambulance seat now. But of course we don't get any further story because the show has been canceled. So it's kind of like, wow, all this build up and now nothing to follow. I mean it to me, it to me. It kind of seemed like like she remind the shoe. She reminded me.

32:10 I don't know how this popped in my head, but it's like kind of how killmonger took took the took the throne. It's like with violence and with and then just like sitting on the throne. And it's like, but this time, like you said, it's like, I really want to see like how this turns out, how this like shakes out because it's like having a red Asha in charge of them does not seem like the best of ideas. No, it really doesn't. Even though technically speaking she is not of 1 Asha, now she's of all you know she's not following she. Doesn't follow rules. She doesn't give a fuck. She. Doesn't say it on all that being red. Yeah, it's it's not of all Asus. Yeah, I I noticed that.

32:53 That's a one, Asia. So I feel like she was probably going to rewrite some stuff. But yeah, again, no, no resolution for that. But OK, I do want to talk about the very, very first part of the episode because, Anthony, you've been talking about these arches all season and how they haven't shown up. And then in this final episode, we got the arches not once, but twice. So I don't know. I feel like the way that they kind of introduced it, when she comes through the arches, she has a little bracelet and the white Asha comes to her. And she was like, OK, the elephant don't give anything without requiring something. And I'm like, if I hadn't, if I hadn't discussed this with you, I've been looking at the beginning of this episode like what the what are they talking about? It's just, and, and I guess it's because they probably planned on dealing more with that in Season 4. So that was just kind of one of those things where they're introducing it to us at the very end of the season, because that's probably going to lead into whatever the story was going to be for Season 4, especially because Matt has his own encounter with the owl.

34:10 Is the elephant or I Iphen? They're they're too the elephant and the ilphen. OK, the snakes and the foxes. Oh, OK, so he has his own encounter with them and so I, I feel like because of the the, the outcome of his interaction with them, they probably would have given us a little bit more in season 4. Yeah, I think what they were doing was they were, they were setting you up for Matt. So they were giving you like a hint or preview. And then when you saw Matt, you'd be like, oh, that's what she did. So then you have to think about what was it that she gave up, you know, to come back.

34:56 Yeah, but again, we won't know. We won't know. We won't know that if I'm not mistaken, it's been a while since I read the books that that didn't happen. A lot of going going through the archway like. That OK, OK. So I have no information on what was what they were planning on doing with that. That was weird. Well, I guess I'll figure it out because I'm going to start. Now that the show is over and there won't be any kind of overlap, I am going to start reading the books. It's so funny because I bought a copy of the first book the the full size hardcover, really good. It was in brand new condition.

35:37 I actually found it on Amazon for like $19.00, which I was surprised because any other website I've looked for it on they've wanted like 40-50, sixty, $75.00. So I get the book and then I go downstairs and I realized I had the book club version of it, the smaller hardcover version sitting on one of the bookshelves of books that I had unpacked from my garage. So I have not. I now have 3 copies. NO123I now have 4 copies of the first book because I have that big version which matches the other one. So that's the one I'll keep. I have the smaller hard copy version. I have a mass paperback version and then I have the version in the the box set of the first three books that I found at Goodwill. So I was like wow, OK, I guess this is my sign that I need to read these books 'cause now I have no excuse. I have 4 versions of the first book, so I'll get started with that.

36:37 But OK, I guess let's go to Tan Chico next, because I think we need to save the the IO waste for the end the. Hills of Tantico. And we finally, finally, finally get to see it. Another glimpse of the most powerful channeler that has lived in the last 1000 years. Because Naive finally breaks her block. After. Salvage, I know. Now I know, I know, I I've had it.

37:19 I'm just OK. Congratulations that. Was another reason why I was upset about the show being canceled, because I was like, really, really, you can. But again, they probably, they probably thought that they would get renewed. I mean, again, season 3 was very positively received. It was very well watched. It was very well reviewed. And, and it was the number one show on Amazon Prime in a lot of countries. A lot of countries, it was in one show. OK, If they got to pay for Rings of Power, they had to cut somebody's, you know, they had to cut somebody somewhere.

38:01 They could have pawned that ring. I ain't trying. I'm trying. I'm trying to see at last season though where wheels of time to. Say the Rings of Power is not a good show. I like it, but I also don't have a lot of the background information for Lord of the Rings that I think some people going into the show do. Because I know a lot of people who are Lord of the Rings fans, they don't really care for Rings of Power. The the only the only background information you need is the fact that they're paying a billion dollars with AB for that show and it's not doing the same numbers as will the time. But guess what?

38:45 They are stuck for five seasons of Ring of Power and it's not making the money. So we got to find the money somewhere. This show makes a lot. This show cost a lot of money too so. And it's probably, it's probably the top competitor on the same streaming service. So yeah, you take away one that I guess they figured the fans will flock to the other. I I think they just looking at the bottom line and said the, the they're just trying to offset the losses for his power. Yeah, That's, that's, that's basically what it comes down to. I don't think it has anything to do with how well received it was or how bad it started or yeah, I think it's all about money.

39:31 It has to be because again, it was one of their number one shows. It was. There's no arguing that the numbers show it. So why else cancel it other than they had to pay for Rings of Power and and the people who made the decisions don't look at these shows like we do. And because then on the other hand, they're looking at something like Reacher, which costs him absolutely nothing but it it makes a lot of money for them. Yeah. Yeah. I understand it's OK in Tan Chico first of all. Nancy, the actress who plays my name, is absolutely gorgeous. Yes, especially in this episode, I don't know what. It I don't know when.

40:28 Her hair, it was just I was like, oh, OK, so she was just blowing up all, all across the board in this episode. I mean, not to say that she looks bad in any of the other episodes, but it was something about this one where I don't know, it's like, I don't know, it's almost like you expected something great to happen with her. Like she was dressed for you know how you go out in your everyday, your everyday look and you look good, but you're it. It's like you don't have that extra oomph. And for some reason in this episode, she had that extra oomph throughout the episode, you know, but the whole thing with them going after Leandrian and and the other black Asha trying to find this collar and you get to see kind of them all split off and do not necessarily different things.

41:24 They're all looking for the collar, but they have it's like it's broken down the story between these people. You have 9 needs going after the collar. She has her confrontation with Leandron, and this is the part where she actually tries to appeal to Leandrin's humanity. Like, OK, I know that you can. You can still be better. You can still do better. And Leandrin is like, I don't want to do better. I wish I had let that old man kill my baby boy because that my my child held me back from greatness. And you're looking at her like she's crazy until a few things later, you see her conversation with Mogadian and you realize she wants to become a Forsaken.

42:08 Then you're like, Oh yeah, So she's just been bat shit crazy the whole time. The whole time. But when they have that confrontation, this is of course that when she goes in, when Leandron goes into this palace where the collar is supposed to be, she's looking for the actual collar. The way that it's depicted on that scroll that she has. She doesn't understand or she doesn't know that the collar, when it's not being used, reverse into that silver ring. Of course, Nynev would know this. So when Leandron goes through and she's looking through all these chests with all this jewelry and all kinds of stuff, she gets mad. She throws one of them down and she leaves the room and then Nynev sees the collar. So I really want to fuss at Nynev for this because how do you tell your friends before you go into this palace? No matter what happens, if you find a collar, leave. Don't.

43:05 Wait for the. Rest of us get out of here and what is the thing that she does when she has the collar? Wait. She's sitting outside in the open, waiting for her friends, and Leandro is the one who finds her. And of course, Leandro knows she has it because she has both Adams now, thanks to Mogadian. And the Adams are kind of, it's almost like a magnet. They're being drawn to the, to the, to the collar. So she knows Nene has it. There's no, no sense in her lying about it. She knows she has it. So then, like I said, Nene tries to appeal to her humanity.

43:48 And Landon is basically like, there's no humanity left. My whole goal is to become a forsaken. And you know what? In order to do that, I might need to get rid of you as well. And she throws Neneve into the ocean to drown. And I really still feel like part of that was because I think she, I think she has a small bond with Neneve. Like we know that she's kind of sort of been trying to help her through the first two seasons because I think she wanted to get Neneve on her side to become a Red Asha because. I see what you're doing and I'm not going to have any sympathy for this woman.

44:30 I'm not saying we have to have sympathy, I'm just saying there was a smidgen of regret in her face when she threw Naive in the ocean and Naive didn't surface. It's almost like she looked regretful and then just that quickly she was like, OK, time to go. I'll give it to you. I'll give it to you. She just didn't want to see. She didn't want to see my Eve die. So she is drowning here instead, because it ain't nothing for her to just stab somebody with the one power or, you know, stab the brain with the one power. Shoot a little fireball through the heart. No, you pulled up a chain and you and you threw in the ward because you didn't want to see.

45:14 So I guess there's a little piece of her. But I think not that. That's it. But that's it. I wanted. To see. But this is someone who, if she can convince Nyne to her side, Nyne without her block, would be a powerful ally for the red Asha, for the dark Asha or the black. Asha. And could have been somebody that if she were to become, if Leandra were to become a Forsaken, to have someone like that in her pocket, that would be a very good thing. So I think she does regret that in that sense because she saw the potential, you know, but. I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just saying she don't want to see it.

46:01 So it's better to kill her off screen because you know, I don't want to kill her myself because she could have easily just killed her. She didn't. She didn't do it. But then again, maybe if she thought for a second this might get her block broken and she can come back and recruit her later and try again and later. So give him, give him give that and even chance. Let's throw in the water because William, William Mcgillian say if you had a block like that, we beat it out of you. So maybe she's old school like that. Could be. We'll never know. I know. 'Cause she could have turned her inside out. She could have.

46:42 She could have done a lot. She can a lot of things. Especially because my knee was blocked at that point. You know, it wasn't until she literally was in the ocean and drowning, had stopped breathing and she started having these these recollections of her daughter in the Arches. And that is kind of what broke her bond. But it's one of those things where once she realizes that she has access to the power, she gets herself out of the water. And it's like she has this realization like, oh, my block is gone. I was sitting here cheering. I was so happy. I was like, yes, now we're finally going to see her potential.

47:24 We're finally going to be able to stop having this drinking game about the most powerful channeler in the last. 1000 years. And then again, they cancel the show. So it almost feels like a waste of her character because she's been impotent for so long and all we've been able to watch of her is really just kind of this self doubting of herself, her longing for land when she can't be with him and just, I don't know, just kind of this scared little little girl. I'm I'm going to do this.

48:10 I normally I, I say I was going to stop, but as the book reader here, she in the book is this is the character behind Rand with the most character development. So they're not wrong for what they did. Yeah, we feel like it. But the payoff for her journey is so huge. The payoff you. Will not see it now. You will not see it now, but the payoff was going to be so big for her character that all of this, this, these three seasons was going to set us up 'cause this would have been like the climax of her, of her, of her self discovery journey.

48:57 And then she's going to transition into becoming the powerful isodide that she does become. And, and literally Ren's right hand man. Like she's his Lafayette. You know what I'm saying? Like that, that, well, no, actually it's not her, but she is instrumental in his rise. Like he, he wouldn't have been able to do what he did without her. Remember, he needs to have people who were on either the equivalent or more powerful than the Forsaken.

49:38 And she is that one that he has that can challenge the Forsaken. And we're not going to see it. Pissed that we're not going to see. This, we're not going to see it. Not just because of what it meant for the story, but again, the casting for this show, I feel like they, I feel like they really put people in these roles that could embody what was to come. You know? Because you couldn't have told me in Season 1 that Yoshi was going to be what he was in this season as Rand, as his ancestors. Like just.

50:22 He was so whiny and. In the first season and I realized that was the character, so that's how he had to play it, but to well. He wasn't like that in the book, but yeah, whatever. But to see his growth not just as a character but also as an actor in the show, The same with everyone else. Matt his, his whole character art because we had a, because we had a recast with this character. You know, the second season I think was still kind of, it was kind of unsure because he was still feeling his legs getting into that character.

51:03 This season knocked it out of the park. Like I was so excited to see where they were going to take this character because it's been kind of back and forth for the first three seasons. Like he was completely a coward in the first season. The second season we got to see him have his shining moment towards the end. And then in this season, you kind of have a mixture of both because of the experience he had for the the second season. So you kind of start to see him come into it in this season. Like his his fight with Elaine's brothers. I will, that will always be one of my favorite scenes of this entire series, but. 2 marks each.

51:51 Each But, you know, just seeing what the potential was for for his characters well and knowing that we're never going to get it, it just bothers me. Well, at least we ran you got the payoff because the the rest of what he has going on didn't have any really have a lot to do with what's happening now. Like you, you got to you got to his payoff. You got to see him become the car, car. You know, he has a couple of more things, but this, this was the big thing. Everything else left with him is internal struggle, but you get to see you got to see his payoff. OK, OK.

52:33 Naneeve is just starting and and Matt hasn't even started. Yeah. But you do get you. We did get parent, so we got. We got parent's story. But even with that parent was with the last we saw of him, he was he was being LED away. Yeah, but he, but he peeked out. We know. We know what he's going to do. We know what he's going to become. Yeah, Yeah. Same thing with Gwen. We know what she's going to do and what she's going to become. So it's whatever. OK. But back to Tam Chico. I don't know. I don't know if I'm I'm down with with the way they I know they had to do it, but it I it just bothers me.

53:20 But that she could use the Adams to find it. The collar. It was just, I don't know. I didn't too much care for that. But I guess they had to do it because Alice, was she going to find it? Yeah, You know, I don't know. Oh, I do want to. Oh, go ahead. OK, so the cheek plane with the Bellefire rod. Yeah. Yeah, I, I was about to go to that next because we had to talk about Elaine and and Tom Maryland and OK, so I have to ask this question. I know we've talked about this question off camera. I have to ask it again, is there a possibility that they were going to write this, this character art with Tom somehow being in Lane's father?

54:11 Because the way that they were in this episode, you cannot tell me that Tom was not showing fatherly concern for this child. Yeah, I feel like they're going to. I feel like they're going to write it like that. That's what I feel. But he's. Not in the. Business. No, he is not. But I feel like, you know, it makes you feel like he was going to write it that way because they didn't write it like she's a child of a woman that he's desperately in love with, which is where he is in the book. But here it's almost like it's his child. He's treating her as such. Yeah, and I, I kind of got the, the feeling that even when he talks about more gays, like he it, it felt like there was something more there.

55:02 Like maybe, I don't know, maybe he left court because Elaine was getting older. Maybe because if they, you know, you know how it is with I, I'm, I'm gonna go back to Outlander. Jamie had to leave his child because as the child got older, he started resembling him more. So it was kind of like, oh, people are going to put two and two together. I need to get out of here. That's kind of how I felt like it was happening in this episode. And then when you get the whole talk, you know he's talking about things that she did when she was little. And it's just the way that he was saying it is almost like a father who is proud of their child. I don't think I would care for that either because the story in the book is so much better. OK, why he left the court is so much better. OK.

55:48 But I do like the fact that they that they kind of put this timeline in that as soon as he left the court is when Elaine's memories of Gabriel started. You know, that's how far back Gabriel went back. And I don't know if that was any significant. No, because remember, Gabriel just got out of the seal. He he was, he came out after he, he just got out. Yeah, but no, what I'm saying is. Gabriel where where he implanted the memories. Yeah, where? He implanted in everyone's minds. It's like right after he left, this is when Elaine says, oh, so you left right before Lord Gabriel came.

56:32 And he was like, who the hell is Gabriel? He was like, I've been paying attention to the course. There's nobody there by that name. And she was like, my mother's console or he's been there for as long as I can remember. And he was like, let me tell you something. When we get out of here, or when you get out of here, you need to go back to Andor because this dude does not exist. And if you're thinking he does, the only person who can plant that is a Forsaken. That means your mother is in trouble. That means your throne is in trouble, you know, and she's just sitting here looking like the fuck. Yeah, baby, the Forsaken have gotten to you twice. Twice. Yeah.

57:12 But I, you know, again, I I kind of I liked where what, where it could have gone because again, I don't know what happens in the book. So I don't know what that story was, but I think it would have made for something very interesting for them to one have that ally on their side. And then, of course, if he's Elaine's father, you know, he's going to do whatever he needs to do to make sure she stays safe. Because again, couple of episodes ago you told them, I don't want no, whatever it is y'all are doing here in Tan Chico. I don't want no part. Last. Time I Last time I hung around with y'all, I, you know, y'all left me for dead fighting the Fed. I don't have time for this. I don't want to do it. Yeah, but one of the reasons why I don't really like it. And, and Lori, our friend would tell you this, when it comes to stuff like that, her claim to the throne gets really, really weak.

58:04 If if he comes out, that's her father. Well, that's, that's true and I I do get that. But I mean, it ain't got to be like everybody knows. She could just be, you know, it could just be a their little secret. You know, you know it don't work like that. I know. Yeah, I know. So yeah, I get it. But yeah, what was what was that chick's name with the the Bellfire ride? It was it Muriel? No, it started with the. I don't remember, but I'll Jana, I think Jana, Jana. But yeah, she, she was kind of crazy in this one because she was like, oh, let's see what this does. How are you using something you don't know what it does that could have backfired on you, but whatever. I don't.

58:50 Know how so many of so many of these black Asha were just basically fodder for Leandron to get what she needed and to get the fuck out? It's like a lot of them were just. Yeah, why would she get people that are as powerful as her especially? I know, I know it's. Just it's just funny that they're just like, you know, they're like, they're like, you know, also rants, like they're kind of like side stories, like, OK, whatever. Yeah, but and why would you want to join an organization where if you take an oath and you break the oath, you lose your soul? Like how stupid do you have to be to do that? That part. Between wait, wait, wait wait I. Can understand I I mean I'm a Supernatural fan, they do crossroads deals all the time so I can understand what might drive someone to do that.

59:38 Actually, a lot of them, a lot of them become black guys because if they find out about black guys, your choice is either to join or die. Yeah. So a lot of them join because they have no choice. Yeah, so, but I mean these I mean. You're going to die eventually anyway. You get thrown into the pattern and you get spun right back out at some point. Unless you lose your soul. Unless you lose your soul to the dark wind, then you don't get spun back and that is unfortunate. Yes, yeah. We'll talk about that later because that actually does happen in there. But. But yeah, she's playing with the bell fire rod and, and the, the this is another one of the deviations from the book, 'cause it is in the book, it, it, it actually gets used and then, and then it disappears.

1:00:31 But yeah, it's it's it's bell fire is one of those things that if you use it too much, it can unravel the pattern. OK, so when she when she used it on on Joanne or whoever her name is, when she used it on her and she she disintegrated her right next right next to the lane, there was a figure that was holding the guy. It was holding the rod like. It it reversed, it reversed her last, her last action, because if you notice her soul, you can, you can actually see it come out of her body and go behind Elaine, But also all of the all of the rubble from the roof when from the ceiling, when Jana hit it with the bell fire, it reversed and the ceiling repaired itself. So it's almost like whoever has the bell fire rod and uses it, they reverse the actions of the last person who used it. That's that's kind of what how I took it. I got you.

1:01:32 Yeah. OK, so the mechanics of bell fire. Here comes mansplain. Oh yeah. Because they they give it to us in this episode. They give it to you a little bit, but it is, yeah. So. So Bell Fire burns, burns you out of the pattern as if he never existed. Oh. Wow. That's what bell fire does, so the more powerful the beam is determines how far back your actions are undone. Wow. Damn. So it it burns you, there's no coming back. There's no being thrown back into the pattern. You are burned out of the wheel.

1:02:14 You're gone. Damn, no wonder I can't remember her name. She just got burned. Damn, that's. Fucked up you, you and and and. The actions being undone is based on how powerful the being was, how powerful the person was. Wow. So, OK, so I'm, I'm, I'm go ahead and tell you this. This is how important it is. OK, so without giving too much away, Matt dies in the book and the person that killed him, Ran, gets so upset that he does Bellefire because they'll the rod.

1:02:55 OK, so the rod is the object of power and they use, I forgot which one, Taryn Gras Sandra. It's the one where it helps you focus and it helps you do the power that you're trying to do. So the ride was created by people who wanted to do Bellefire but couldn't do it on their own. OK, well Rand did it on his own spontaneously, and he burns the person that did it and it undoes Matt's death and he comes back. Oh, OK. Oh, that would be. But the warning is use of Bellefire.

1:03:35 If you do it too much it will unravel the pattern. So it's not good to go around doing Bellefire. OK, because I that that just made me think about like, one, do we see what Elaine does with the rod after she kills Jana? Does she? Because I would assume that she would keep something powerful like that to keep it from getting into somebody else's hands. Then I was just thinking about, you know, again, going back to Swan's death, is that something that could be reversed if, say, that Bellefire rod was used against Elida or used against who? The the why Asha, who was the no, the why Asha wasn't the one who who actually killed her.

1:04:22 As far as I know, that was that was something that Elida probably would have wanted to do personally. So yeah, is that something that could have happened, like if she had erased it? Would have to be a pretty powerful bell fire. OK because it it goes back like depending on how powerful it is will undo their acts. So it may depending on how long it has been. OK. Doesn't matter. Does it matter the strength of the person wielding the rods? OK. No, no, no.

1:05:02 Well, using Bellfire, OK, depends. So I guess yeah, I don't know. It's possible the people who made it put a limit in it because some of the objects have limited limits. OK. But and some of them don't like the the orb is a special one because it doesn't have a limit. OK. That's that's that's why Moraine keeps working with it, because it won't, she can't stop, so she has to work on it. So some of the objects have limited have limits in it built in because the people who if if you were a person who could do Bellefire, you would use the rod because it would keep you from using too much. OK, OK.

1:05:47 All right. Yeah, it is. It gets, it can get complicated. But yeah, the the bell fire thing was one of those scenes Robert Jordan did. And we're like, you just put that in there because you wanted to undo something. You, you, you messed up and you realized you made a mistake. So he created something because it didn't, it doesn't get used very often until the final battle. OK. And then someone comes in and starts Bell firing everybody and someone's like, hey, hey, hey, you have to stop this person because that can be a disaster. OK. But yeah, so the other cool thing is we get to see not really a spoiler. We get to see one of Elaine superpowers, which is she talked about how good she is at figuring things out. She, she, her talent is being able to see weaves and replicate them.

1:06:50 Oh, OK. So she saw her use it, and she knew instantaneously how to use it, and she used it better than her. OK, She had more control. So that's one of hers. That's one of Elaine's talents. OK, OK. She's she sees the weave and she instantly knows how to do it. So she's. Like a weave artist, She's like a weave artificer. What? Never mind, I said this a dungeons and Dragons reference. I forgot y'all don't play. Proceed. OK. The art art art artificial. Artificial is someone who they could they can see something and instantly know how it's made and what and how to fix it or how to make something like they they're they're mechanically inclined, like they'll see something that they'll instantly know what's what it's made of.

1:07:40 Yes, 'cause I think Tom says she's to take things apart and put them back together. And put them back together he was. Talking about So she's an artificial, OK? That's what an artificial does, so OK. That's, that's, that's her talent. That's why I was like, he's not really spoiled because he he, he literally tells us that's what she does. OK, yeah, takes things apart some and put them back together again. OK, still staying in Tan Chico. One thing I will say that bothered me. How are you guys supposed to be sneaking around looking for the black? Asha and Tom and Elaine are having conversations in the hallway. They're not keeping their voices down. Matt and men go into this room and they open the door and the door creaks a lot.

1:08:25 And they're like, and when they close the door, it still makes a lot of noise. I'm like, do you guys not understand the concept of sneaking around? No, they don't. No, nobody in this place, nobody in this damn series knows, understands that. Nobody in any series understands that. It's like every time someone says be quiet, all you hear is Greek. Grike, right? And someone's sneezing and somebody hitting a wall or somebody tripping over something. And it's like, I mean, of course the, and the more, the higher the stakes, the more noise they make. And it's just like. Right. Just read a bongo and say and say the champ is here like Muhammad Ali. So OK, here's my question.

1:09:08 This palace that they're in that has the collar and also has the arch, who lived in that place? Like how do you have those these two very, very powerful objects? Like what? What type of person live there? I think it's it's one of the highest nobles intention. That's his house. That's his house. So probably somebody who just collected stuff because. He's probably been in his family for generations and just collected it. OK. They just, they just collect stuff. OK.

1:09:48 Because if you look at it, it's almost like it's a museum, I mean. Yeah, because that room that men and Matt go into has so many things in it. And of course, you know, when Matt sees the arches, I don't know. I don't the the red arch, this is the red doorway that you've you've mentioned before. I don't know if it's something that draws him to it or if he's just going over to be nosy and look. But man, man, I need you to be a little bit quicker on the uptake because as soon as you saw those arches, you should have told him don't go over there. That's why I see you die. That would have stopped everything. Maybe not because Matt would have been like what are you talking about while he was still walking that way, but.

1:10:34 Right, right. It might have helped just a little bit. You know, these people, they have such slow reactions to stuff. I'm like, you see him literally watching to oh, I know that. I know that don't. It's not going to work because you know, every one of her visions comes true. So I I'm. Just glad it didn't he didn't die, which again, the the vision that she had doesn't necessarily show him dead. It just shows Oh no, he he died. He died. Yeah, he died. He didn't stay there. That's. That's a very important point. Not anymore, because the show is. Counting well you can read the book. So I already told he dies in the book and comes back. Yeah, that's why it's not really, it's not really a spoiler.

1:11:26 He just did it differently. But he there's a reason why he has to die. OK. He died for like 5 minutes and dies dying. It's just like, like I got the guy in prison who got elected, who got sentenced to the death penalty and got killed. Then they then he somehow he came back and they're like, oh, well, I guess you served your sentence so you can go. No, he, he was in, he was in for life and he died on the operating table. Then they resuscitated him and then we and his lawyer argues that, well, he was supposed to stay, stay there for the rest of his life. He died, then he came back. So he basically served his sentence and they let him go. Wow. Now how many people who have life I've.

1:12:06 Got to be more specific. How many people who have licenses trying to figure out how to die and come back? Everybody up in that bitch. But yeah, but I mean, yeah, I mean, it's just like everything with that, with that fox genie guy who was creeping me the fuck out. I was like. That was really creepy. I was like, I was like, that's some tricky, that's some trickeration shit. Like, I mean the way he was asking him like to ask him questions and get his like get your wishes and he's like it it do you deserve you just pay a price. And I'm like, oh God, here we go. Paying fucking price. I don't like those kinds of beans because 1, you are taking the, you are taking advantage of the fact that someone is confused, don't know what the fuck they're doing.

1:12:51 So if you're asking them questions, they're going to answer those questions not realizing that that's part of the the 3 wishes or whatever the case is. You know, you got to be, you got to be specific too. Yeah, yeah. But that's, and that's the thing. If you don't know what you're encountering, if you have never heard of this place, if you don't know that this is a thing, if you don't know that these foxes trick people, you know, with their words. Like Matt apparently asked for three things and he was like, done, done. Matt was like, what the fuck are you talking about? I just, I hate those kinds of things. But it's like because I know me, if I were ever to find myself in a magical portal and somebody just start asking me questions, I'm dead.

1:13:39 I'm done. I will have given my soul away without not knowing or anything. Because I even if I'm looking at this like OK, my logical brain tells me I have seen this in a movie before. Don't say anything. Your your current traumatized brain at that moment is not going to pay attention to any of that stuff. I I read a book once, I can't. I was trying to figure out what it was, but the person was like thinking in their mind. I'm not going to say anything, but the being could read their mind. I I think I'm trying to think because that sounds familiar. But. Yeah, it's just, again, your traumatized mind you're not thinking about. OK, clear your brain.

1:14:23 Don't ask for anything. Don't say anything. How am I? You're not thinking any of this. You are looking. Well, I mean, on their side, if you come to the doorway, they feel like you chose to come through. They're not thinking someone chunk you in and you didn't know what was happening. They know. They think it's violent. They're magical beings. They know. And that's part, that's part of the whole thing, because they can sit there and claim, oh, well, you came through here, so I'm going to ask you what you know. They know. They know. And and he didn't tell him you need to make a price for leaving. He didn't tell him that either, right? He he just like I just assume, you know, you need to make a price. And and and didn't even say that until afterwards. He was like, OK, So what do you need?

1:15:04 What do you want? Why are you here? I don't know. I don't even know where here is like what? What is this? I look, I need to go to fuck back home. OK, granted, but now you got to pay a price. You should have told me that before I open my mouth. But even even with that, Matt wasn't thinking, oh, I'm asking a question or I'm I'm asking something to have my wish granted. Matt still trying to figure out what the fuck is going on. He's like what? What are you talking about? What, what, what I'm going to miss because I think this was been, would have been brilliant. He finds another one later and he's like, I know what to do and he goes in and it's the other people and it's totally different. Oh God.

1:15:54 Yeah, that's OK. I I need people to stop, just leave Matt alone. But I think the. Well, Matt does a lot of these things to himself, so it's like you asking them to leave him alone requires Matt leaving them alone. So it's like that's not going to happen. I know, but the thing with this is OK, so one of the things that Matt says when he's in there, he was like, I need to go home and I need to I need to be rid of this one. I I need the one power to stop fucking with me. Basically. That's what you say. I need to get rid of this. It's it's, it's making a mess of my life. So when the thing sends him back, of course Matt is hanging because I guess the price of all of that was his life.

1:16:37 Man is able to get him down. She's able to revive him. And then he's looking at her confused. He was like, OK, so I don't remember how I got here, how we got here. And she was like, what do you mean? He's like, there's, there's things miss missing. The voices in my head are gone. So basically everything that had to do with the one power that touched his life, he does not remember now. And I was just like, oh, so we just rebooted Mack for Season 4? No, he asked for something to be done to the voices in his head. No, he specifically said. I need, I need one power to leave me alone. And and he asked for he needed the one power to leave him alone.

1:17:26 Those were two of his requests. OK. So the voices in his head got fixed and he was given something to help him not be touched by the One Power. Oh, OK, OK. Because I was thinking that when he says I need the one power out of my life, anything that had to do with the one power was gone. Because that would explain. Why he doesn't? Remember. That would explain why he doesn't remember why they're in, why they're in Tan Chico, because they're there for the collar and the A dots, which are by the one Power, right? His memory was fixed air quotes, that's why he doesn't remember.

1:18:12 But the voices had nothing to do with that stuff. The one power, OK, our brain only has so much capacity, so the voice in his head had nothing to do with the one power. So getting rid of the one power affecting him wouldn't have affected the voices in his head. No, no, no. And I understand that, but what I'm saying is his memory about why they are in Tan Chico, that does have to do directly with the One Power because they're looking for the collar and they're looking for the Adoms. OK, so all right, all right. So when when he asked for his the voices to be fixed to the brain to be fixed, it, it took some stuff away to make room for all the other stuff.

1:19:00 So a lot. He's going to have gaps in his memory, but they're being filled by the memories of all his reincarnations. OK, but see, that's something I I feel like a book reader will only know not. Right, right so so so that's why they tried to make it 2 separate requests because the fox head medallion is what's going to keep him from being touched by the one power. OK. And of course I would not know that because they had. We would have got that in the next season. Right, OK. Because the fox head medallion is very important.

1:19:41 No one can use the one power on him as long as he's wearing it. Ah OK. The memories is a separate thing because he needs the memories of all the generals in his head for the war strategy later. OK, OK. So that's that's how his memory got air quote fixed. OK. A lot of yeah. Because the problem was when Witch McCall gave him that stuff, it opened up all his previous lives. Memories are all in his head. That's why he speaks the old tongue. That's why he has these random thought. It's much more it's much more obvious in the book than he is on the show.

1:20:26 But it it it really bothers him. He has these dreams of things that have happened, he has waking dreams of of battles and stuff, and he has all these things going on in his head and it really made his life difficult. And after this it was all fixed. But he could call up the memories on his own without help. But he does have some gaps in his memory because of that, because all that stuff had to fill in. That's how they fixed it. It didn't necessarily get rid of the voices it just made. He just said, Oh, well, I'm going to take some of your memories and fill it in with this other stuff, OK, to make it easier for him.

1:21:09 OK, OK. And the fight, say medallion, is what blocks the one power from affecting him. OK, which again we won't. See. Yeah, it would have been really cool to see someone try to use them with power on them and the weeds just go woo, you miss me with that shit. You know what I'm saying? OK, that would have been cool. No compulsion, no anything. Right. Which is very important later. OK, all right, so last thing in Tan Chico is Leandrian and MO Gideon. And again MO Gideon.

1:21:51 That character is one of the scariest characters I have seen on a show in the last few years. To be the weakest one, she's a hell of a fucking problem. Listen, listen, not just in the way that she approaches Landon, because I, I, I do think it's interesting that Leandra knew exactly like she saw the spider. She was like MO Gedian. How did you know? She was like, well, you know, if I want to be a Forsaken, I need to know who my competition is. I I love the fact that Morgania kind of laughed at her life. So you think you competition, but I again, I don't know how powerful Leandron is supposed to be in this show. So that would have been interesting to see. But that whole dynamic with them going kind of going back and forth.

1:22:40 It was, it was disturbing to say the least, because again, Leandron wanting to be a forsaken, like I can't even imagine how bad that would be because she has the she has the motivation, she has the power and she has the hate. Like let, let, let hold on. Let me let. Yeah, she does. But let me tell you about the Forsaken. Some of these Forsaken have experimented on people as they were alive, like they were cutting them open and looking at their organs.

1:23:24 So some of the Forsaken are pretty terrible people. They were. They were terrible to begin with. She hadn't done anything near as bad as some of the forsaken half, but Forsaken for. Her doing it, once she becomes one, like, she'll be like, oh, I have power. Infinite. Yeah, let's go ahead and do some. Yeah, I can see it. Yeah, but she isn't. She's still not happy. Magedian may be weak for Forsaken, but Lian's is probably not even half as powerful as Magedian. OK. Remember, the eyes to die of this time are really, really, really weak. Right, right, compared to what they were. But the damn Magedian, what she did to Sam IL, I was. But Magedian is proof that you don't have to be powerful. If you are really talented and know what you're doing, you don't have to be that powerful.

1:24:25 Yeah, to be a be a master of the one small thing, one thing you can do, just master it and be really good at it instead of trying to do more than you can do like do this and as well as this, this and this. And she's like, I can do this and I can do this and this. And like turn it turns, turn Samuel into a fucking bloody marionette, literally and figuratively. Look. His blood and made spider webs like. And she does the one thing that none of the other ones can do. She can make Gray Man. Yeah. And none of the other ones can do that. Disturbing on a whole different level. And then the way she plays her, she plays her with like a kid.

1:25:10 Like I don't want to say innocence, but the way that she projects herself is is like a child would with that child for Glee. And then she makes the weirdest facial expressions and she licks her lips when she's talking about something equally disgusting. And it's just, she's very disturbing to watch. And it's like, I don't know if I'm glad the show is over because I don't have to watch her anymore or if I'm upset because I don't see just how. I don't get to see just how disturbed she can be because I feel like that wasn't.

1:25:52 I feel like that wasn't even close to what she's capable of because she was playing with Samael. She was like, Oh yeah, y'all talk about me being the weakest one or whatever. She was like, OK, but you want to help me? Yeah, you can help me. I can. I can find out how to kill a Forsaken, how to kill a Chosen. Yeah, let's play. I was like, no, no. Can you imagine walking into that cave and seeing that? Like no. It's disturbing. It's disturbing. It's disturbing, it's disgusting and it's disturbing. If it had been Matt, Matt would have been vomiting over to the side. He would have been like, Nope, I'm done, I'm out. I'm going back to the Two Rivers. And I'm like, is it Dark one even going to going to bring him back?

1:26:41 Like is it Dark 1 going to bring him back? Is he like dude, you really messed up. You let this woman take all. I don't know, was it your veins? Your blood. Your arteries, The blood. It just string you up. Yeah, that's that was disturbing. Yeah. And Miranda and them looking at him like Oh well, I guess he won't be teaching Rand now. Yeah, 'cause they're not, they're not supposed to be able to die because he could bring them back. So yeah. Yeah, probably won't be bringing that one back like you let this little one manhandle you like this. Nah, I need somebody stronger. I I just can't see it.

1:27:25 But OK, so since since we've over there talking about Samayo, let's let's go to the waste because I think we've touched everything in 10 Chico the waste there's listen, we got a baby. You have the whole thing. Rand and Dwayne are kind of at odds and and you can tell it in this. But I think the interesting thing was when they did the dream so that Lanfir could communicate with Rand. I love how Lanfir just walked in like, Oh, did you get my little gift I sent you Samael? And I was like, she obviously does not know that Ran lost something When that gift showed up. I was like, oh, she just don't understand. Ran is I think Ran is probably this close to killing her. And then when they were having a conversation, he was talking to her.

1:28:24 He was being not, I won't say nice. He was being civil to her. And then all of a sudden it kind of took another turn and he was like, yeah, Loose Baron left you for the same reason why I'm leaving you. You're cruel. You're petty. I want nothing to do with you. And she gets mad about this. But I was like, so obviously you're not paying attention to Red enough to know that this little girl who was in the thing was a consequence of your, you know, sending Sam IO to visit. I think even without all the stuff about Iguan, I think Rand would have taken her out just for that, I feel like.

1:29:05 Then you add the stuff about, you know, oh, yeah, you were torturing Iguan. I was just trying to make her stronger. I was like, you know what? I'm almost surprised Rand didn't attack her. But then I didn't realize they were in the dream thing at that point. But I was just sitting there waiting for Rand to attack. I was like, oh, it's about to happen. Because Bran, you could kind of tell he was holding in his anger like you don't kill this little girl. You don't mess with the woman I love, the other woman I love. And just you doing all this stuff and you claim you're doing it because you love me. But I feel like you're doing this because you want the power. And then when she was like, well, why can't I have both?

1:29:47 Why can't I, you know, get rid of the dark one and and have my power? I was like, oh, you just messed up there. You just messed up there. You just told him literally everything that you want but. That's the reason why I lose left you in the 1st place, because all you want is power, right? That's all you want. Right. But then when she comes out of the when when a Gwen expels her and then she shows up in the town and she makes her way to Melendra and she was like, oh, yeah, I'm, I'm coming to collect that day. I was like, oh, here we go.

1:30:27 Wait you going? You going to skip over it seeing her use her true power? Who owed Landfair? Yeah. You just going to skip over that? Well, she she started looking like a you see what it does to you? It corrupts you. Terrible. Yeah. That's why they don't use it that often. Yeah, she yeah, she was looking a little sketchy there for a minute. I was like, what did she turn it into? It's almost like watching watching Pennywise turn into the big spider and and it she was starting to transform into something. But I think the thing that I missed the first time, I missed it because it was kind of quick because E Gwen expelled her before she could actually get, I don't know, full powerful figure, whatever you want to call it. Because I think if she had gotten a little bit more transformed, what what they had done with probably not have worked.

1:31:29 No, but she's smart though, because I think she she some, she must have realized it was a trap or, or she said, OK, well that doesn't work, let me go to Plan C And so she went to Plan C. Which was going to Melendra who apparently swore the dark oaths and she sends Melendra to go kill land. I remember I said earlier about people swearing the dark oaths. She swear the dark oaths because she had no choice. Yeah, yeah, she was by herself. She was probably starving, dying somewhere. Because this was after the fall of Malkia, right? Yep. So what we find out is that she swore the dark oaths because she wanted Malkia to rise again.

1:32:17 And so she comes to land like she's about to kill him. But then she's like, no, you are. What does she say You are the you are the last crane. Malkia will rise again. And she was like landfills coming from rain. He was like, don't tell me this because if you swore the dark ocean, you you're going to die and your soul is going to be gone. She was like, OK, but this is what I'm doing. I'm, I did all of this to protect Malkia, which I think is just, again, it's, it's that thing when you're for lack of better words, when you're dealing with the devil, like you're doing it for good intentions, but really how it doesn't. Help Death is light as a feather, duty as heavy as a mountain.

1:33:06 Yeah. And she did her duty. Yeah, but she was also. When she's sitting there trying to sneak up behind him, I heard her her first footstep on the sand. I said, now, you know, Land hears this. She knew. Yeah. And he knew he was like, you know, I would hear you coming. But the after the whole thing with Land, fear fails. They end up going to al Qaeda because, you know, at this point Moraine is like, look, we got to go. We got to go ahead and get this done. We don't know where Laugh here is. We don't know what she's going to do, but we got to get it done.

1:33:47 We got to make sure that Rand is declared the caracara. And so you have all these conversations that are going on while they're on this pilgrimage, and Ran is telling Ruach he was like, OK, so if they don't declare me the caracara, then I'm just going to tell them the truth about who y'all are, that y'all follow the way of the lead. Ruach is like, Nope, you can't do that because we can't handle it. He was like, OK, whatever. I would be like, Ruach, did you read the prophecy? It said that he was going to spill y'all's blood and break, you know. Yeah, break them down, they said. Break them down to build them back up. Destroy them.

1:34:28 But they never said that. That's the thing. The prophecy never says he's going to kill them to destroy them. It just says that he's going to destroy them. What better way to do that than to tell y'all? Oh yeah, y'all are descended from the very same people y'all can't stand. Yeah. Avienda is talking to Gwen and she's telling her, look, you have a choice in this. You don't have to stay here. You're not the Karakan. You're not ideal. And he slept with a Forsaken. You don't have to be here. You can go and do something else, but we already know it. Wayne again, yes, she loves the power, I think, or the potential of the power more than she loves Ran. She loves what what her potential might be, but she still loves Ran.

1:35:15 She not going to sit here and leave him. We already know this. You know, Lana Moraine had this conversation about whether or not Moraine thinks she's going to die in this desert today. And I think it's interesting that Moraine was like, yeah, it happens. I see it. I've seen it happen here. I've seen it happen in other places. I think it's going to be today. Like you can't get anymore. Oh, I'm, I'm supporting the the Dragon Reborn than that, you know, even when they had that conversation later and he was like, So what are you going to do? She's like, I'm going to keep land fear away from you or I'm going to die try. Ran kind of suited up his eyebrow real quick. Like oh OK, I mean cause what else are you going to say? She probably knew that this was going to happen ever since we're winning, at least in Rand's mind, 'cause Ran. I don't think Ran knows what she saw. They don't have a they haven't discussed it. I think he told her or she said something to him about you had a spoken to me since we're with in so anyway, so we have this whole thing that go to al Qaeda doll.

1:36:31 You have the shadow there with what's his name, Culloden. Culloden. Culloden, laughing and Savannah. And Savannah. Who is I love this this version of Savannah. She is amazing. I love her. She's. Great. Yeah. So she's technic. So he's technically now her husband, right? Because his brother, her husband, perished, they were winning and he never came out. Right. So technically speaking, now she's probably married to him. Pretty certain. So of course, Landfair comes into that tent and she tells them she was like, OK, so yeah, we want the same thing.

1:37:12 We want to make sure the Randolph Thor is not declared carrot car. And she puts the tattoos on Collada's arms. And I was like, you know what this is? I don't think this is going to work out for Collada in the way or Coolidin. I'm thinking Outlander. So the pronunciation is there. I don't think it's going to work out for him the way you think it is because even if he has the tattoos, he doesn't have any of the power. He doesn't have the one power. And he was not born in the wetlands, he was born in the waste. Well, yeah, right and. They have to. They have to go by the prophecy. Yeah, and and that's something that Ram makes very clear once cooling in actually says, you know, I'm your car, car, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, because everybody is there cheering.

1:37:59 And it was so weird to me because I was like, but you all have Wise ones, and the wise Ones know what they saw. The Wise Ones know what was in the prophecy because the Wise Ones have all gone through Ruinian, right? All the chiefs and all the wise ones. Right. So he's making this claim and everybody's like, yeah. Well, well. The wise ones only see the future, The Chiefs see the past. Oh, OK, OK, OK. But I'll but I think did Ruark say something about they all knew about the way of belief.

1:38:41 They all knew that they came from that. I think he was talking about the Chiefs. Oh, OK. Because they have the way it worked. The chiefs live their previous. They see their pre the lives of their ancestors. OK. And the wise ones see it possible futures. So I wonder if the wise ones would have still seen that if whatever happens right here. And they, yeah, well, they would have seen similar to what Moraine saw, so they would have seen who's going to be the dragon. Right. And of course they can't tell anybody. So yeah. And yeah, 'cause even Avienda knows, even though we don't see her or here talk about it, she, she, she has some visions about him as well that so she, she pretty much knows too. Right.

1:39:32 OK yeah, but so after cool it and makes his declaration, then Ran comes down and Ran is spitting the facts. OK, I was born in the wetlands, I came across the waist, blah blah blah. I mean, he's literally going through the prophecy word by word telling them. And then he starts displaying his, his power because everyone at this point is ready to fight because you have half of them who are like, oh, no cooler than we're going to support him. That's one of us. And then you have the other ones who are like, but this one says he's a car, car, car because he's this, this, this and this. And you see them about to fight.

1:40:15 And then ran is like, oh, OK, we going, we going to put a stop to this real quick. OK so the issue I have with this they did not make it clear that of all of the clans is only one the shadow that is supporting It's his own clan that's supporting Cooler. Oh. OK all the other clans are looking at the shadow like what the hell is wrong with y'all? Well, I mean, maybe for TV they did it differently because instead of it being like 50,000 against this 10,000 over here or whatever the numbers is, maybe they decided to make it a little more even. That way it would be I, I guess, a bigger victory for Rand once they all start bowing or kneeling for him.

1:41:02 That's that's just the way I feel, you know, because it's kind of like, OK, it's not as impressive if 90% of the people already believe in you and you only have to win over this 10%. But if you have to win over half of what's there, I think that's more impressive and it sends a better message, at least visually it does so. But I know that you say that people can't see the weaves when they do them, you know, like the men can't see the women's weaves and vice versa. But it almost felt like they were able to see what was going on. But I know it was just the the weather and probably the clouds and the sand.

1:41:44 Yeah. I just feel like they could feel it and then they say see it, OK, yeah. Because the wind and the clouds and all that stuff, they could probably see that part and feel the air pressure change because it would be something they've never experienced before. Yeah, especially because he brings rain, which, again, they've never experienced, at least most of them, not in that, not in their lifetime. But the interesting thing about all of this is, you know, towards the end, because he's using so much E, Gwen calls out to him. She's like, Rand, stop. You can stop now. Rand, please stop. Was it just me? And again, I know this is this was build up to what was supposed to be season 4. Did I see a little bit of an expression on his face that looks like he might not have all been there as Rand, like some of the some of the madness was starting to creep in? Oh, OK.

1:42:44 Seem like it's me too. Because the more the the more a man uses the one power, the more they are tainted. And he was using it quite a lot. Right there I meant. He's he's probably a bit more resistant to it because of, of who he is being the dragon. But if he can, we've seen a future where he's totally mad. He it will happen if nothing has done about it. Yeah. But yeah, yeah, I would say they were setting us up for something that's going to happen pretty big with him that we're not going to see now and it doesn't really happen.

1:43:30 Loved to see him portray that. Yeah, it didn't happen until I booked 5, I think four or five. So it could have happened next season if depending on how they condense the storyline because I don't know if I feel like they would have gone the 4:15 books like 415 seasons. No, no, they weren't into that. But they could. Have condensed it a little bit to make it, yeah. Yeah, and people were. But I, you know, I told you I don't do freeze frames anymore. I just don't. People were freeze framing some of the the scenes and someone claimed in the frame they could see a person off in the distance in Rams periphery in in the desert they could see a they could see the shape of a person.

1:44:22 I'm going to have to go back and freeze frame and watch and see if I see. I don't have a time stamp for you. You can probably look it up, but but if they were going to do what what hopefully they they do that would that would be part for the course. This would be about time. OK. But he's also got. Hate that we're not going to get this. Because season 4 he probably was going to go to tear, he was probably go to the stone to get calendar. Because Lorraine mentions that she was like, she actually apologized to him. She was like, I'm sorry for not seeing earlier that this was the right path. Yeah. She was like you, You need the Army if you're going to go to Tear. Yeah, and then tracks because Elaine needs to go back to Andor to get that stuff situated and then when, you know, a million I yield start marching through with hands. They're all going to everybody's going to be confused is in the value of war.

1:45:21 What the hell is? Happening. Right, Right, right. OK, Yeah. Because he has some March to yeah, we had a March down to the Stone of Tear that that would have been great. And watching him pull Calendar from the Stone of Tear would have been would have been an awesome scene. Yep, King Arthur. But on the flip side of all of this, you have Moraine actually fighting with land fear. I'm not going to lie, I thought Moraine was dead in this episode. I think I thought Moraine was going to die more than I thought. Like Swan dying didn't even cross my mind until the last five minutes of the episode. Moraine I was fully expecting to die in this episode. I mean, she came close, she got stabbed by the sword and everything, but I think.

1:46:19 Man, this is her show, and she's the executive producer. She was not. I'm not saying that she would have stayed dead. I mean, think about it, Matt technically stinking Matt died in this episode and was brought back, so I'm not there. Are a lot of people that died in the damn show that came back so it's like. Yeah, so I'm not saying that she would have stayed there, but I, I really thought that there was a moment that she wasn't going to escape this. And unfortunately, I hate to say it, I think Suwan's death freed her because you could see the see the, the, the they were bonded. They had. Bonded. Yeah. They were bonded and when you could, you could see what happened at the moment of Swan's death, the release, and you could see that Lorraine felt it.

1:47:08 And at this point, Lorraine is already upset. She's been stabbed. Lampier can't keep her mouth shut because when she starts calling Suwan's name, she was like, oh, you, you know, you're over here and close to death, but you calling out the name of a woman who betrayed you, Like she's really mocking her about all of this. I was like you, really. Keep my girl's name out your mouth. Right. I was like, you really about to do this right now. Have you not watched? Like, yeah. And when Marine started coming back and started whooping her ass, and then, of course, Land shows up in the tag team and her, I was really, I was just like, please kill this bitch.

1:47:52 Kill her. Now, of course, Land Fear is a little more clever, so she escapes. But I was really hoping I was like, OK, if Marine doesn't die, then Land Fear should die. I felt like it was going to have to be one of those two. But no, Laffier escaped, so we were supposed to see what happened with her in Season 4 again, We're not getting that, but more Raines. Her, her, her being so distraught about Swan being gone that just, again, when I first saw that their relationship was a relationship in the first season, I didn't feel it. I didn't buy it. It grew on me second season and especially third season. And so it's like now watching her go through that and having that realization and she's just like, why am I even here now? Why am I even here?

1:48:51 That was just. Yeah, again, I don't do freeze frames, but a lot of people were saying that the gateway looked like it was to 10 chica. Oh, OK. So if she could be running to Magedian for. The time to go. But I don't know why she would run to Magedian for help. I think she went to one of the forsaken. We haven't seen Grendel. I think that was her palace. Oh, OK. I mean, I think that was her place. Someone that we would may have seen later on, because you did say that they they've left off several of the Forsaken, Yeah, in the show so far. Yeah.

1:49:32 Yeah. And Grendel I think would have been. I want to say they had a person cast for Grendel but should I cancel? There was a rumor over casting. OK, OK, so where I think this show Randy the player of the car con rainmaker? Yep, Swan is dead, Liandran has the Adams and the collar for Rand to use. Eliza is ambulance seat.

1:50:14 Fraggily bitch. 9 Even all of them, they are on their way. I get. I guess they're going back to Tarva line because at this point you've lost what you came to Tan Chica for. Unless you know exactly where Liandran is going and they don't. Hopefully they find out Eliza is family before they get there. Before they get there, yeah, and they probably will, but still, it's kind of like, I don't know, there was so much potential for Season 4 and we're not going to get it now. And I'm just so. Because Eliza is going to tell going to going to try to slander them and see if they are friends because they were working for a salon. Absolutely. And they're and they're friends with Rat. Yeah.

1:50:58 Yeah, yeah, shoot that order. Order's probably out already out on them, on them anyway. Either bring, bring them in. Dead or alive. It's already out. Well, good. They see him. Good luck with Nan Eve because you know she's the most powerful channel in the last 1000 years. I'm out of I'm out of what I was drinking. So have a have a second sip for me. So good luck with that. And the Gwaine is not. Elaine is not too far behind. Yeah, Elaine's got Bale fire and shit. She's like. Yeah, yeah, she got a Bale fire rod and Dwayne can travel. She she can travel through dreams. So I mean, the again, the potential was great. I know that there was there was the petition. I think the petition is actually still going on. But they, I know that Amazon Prime has, I believe they have, this is all terminology and talk that I'm not exactly familiar with.

1:52:01 I believe they have. They have released all the rights for it, but nobody's, I don't think anybody's going to pick it up because 1, like you said, it's an expensive show to produce and I don't know, I don't know that anybody else would be willing to put the money behind it. I would have, I would have said the Ato bill, but they had to pay for House of the Dragon and they already slashed their budget. And and they're working on the new Harry. Potter. Harry Potter. Yeah. So yeah. Yeah, oh, I just wanted to shout out cooler then, because as soon as ran but like he was doing something cool then didn't even he just kind of walked away.

1:52:42 He. Took the hell out. He was like, you know? What? You know what? I'm out. I this, this ain't what I want. All you, Blair. I'm good. I don't. I don't want this smoke. I'm done. I'm good. Right, because he didn't, he wasn't even thinking about all that before Landfill showed up and gave him the bracelets. So he was just like, oh OK, that's all I need. Yeah, OK bro, don't you know your own prophecy? Like don't you know the? Same word I signed up for. I thought I could just show my arms that like look, look at my cool tattoos. I'm in charge like right And he. Probably could. He probably could have tried to play it off. He probably could have tried to sweet talk his way in there. But once Rand literally made it rain, you're done.

1:53:22 There's nothing you can do, right? Right. Nothing you can do shut out the cooler thing for knowing when the exit stage left. Exactly, exactly, exactly. He. Made it right. He made it right. I'm so disappointed this show is not continuing. I'm like, I'm so like, I was one of the people. I signed the petition. I did. I was like, OK, we got to do something. I mean, there were there were, if you pay attention to the account that started and they've put up like billboards and they've done all kinds of stuff. I know several of the stars, including Shora and Ashley have retweeted it saying, hey, let's let's try to save the show again.

1:54:07 At this point, it's probably not going to happen because the cancellation wasn't what April it was announced or May it's September now. There's been no, no words. So I think. Only only Bezos can bring it back. He's the only one. And from what I understand, a lot of these people, they've already started, they've already signed off for other stuff. Well, I mean, yeah, 'cause you're not going to. Yeah, you still got to work. You still got to work. Matter of fact, I think I saw something else that Rosamund Pike is supposed to be doing. I think she's in a movie with a couple of people. She's in the noon now.

1:54:47 She's in the noon now. You see me? Yes, the main villain. Yes, that's what I saw. Yeah. Now you see me, now you don't. Yes. So yeah. The best we're going to get, maybe maybe someone release the outlines that they were going to do. Yeah, maybe Rafe, whatever his name is. Maybe he'll he'll Rafe Jenkins. Maybe he'll do some interviews and talk about where they were going to go with the show. Yeah, I'm so sad, so sad. What would you have said? Oh, I. Was looking at the end seeing bang and foul and then walking just walking away from from the rivers. I was just like.

1:55:35 They're going to get that boy. They're going. To rescue Karen they were making. Plan. That's what I'm thinking. I'm like, they was like the way they were looking though. Yeah, the way they were looking, though. It's just like, I know, I know fail, fail probably was. I was like, and that's another thing, damn it. We finally get characters that with that are interesting and they're like, OK, not like I was actually. I'm not too, too proud to admit that this show was kind of meant for It's been kind of meant for me since then of since I started watching it. I was kind of like, OK, like it's fine. Like I was I was pretty much Anthony Food First two seasons through the season and 1/2 was like, it's fine. It's cool, but it's like it's really grown on me like and it's like that's why I hate, I hate it when they do this man, because it's like fell violin and my dog were was like it was like getting to be that power couple and I was just like, man, I need to see more of that, Like I need that for real. Yeah, that is the one thing the the so I, I did a Wheel of Time panel at Dragon Con and then I attended a Wheel of Time panel and that's the one thing I think that was said across both panels.

1:56:52 Everyone said that Fayil was perfect. They said her casting was perfect, the way she was portrayed was perfect. They're like. I think I said it on the I think I said it on this podcast. Yeah, yeah. Everybody was saying, yeah, they love Fayil. They were like that's that's one of their favorite characters. I'm like, what, You're going to kid her? Yeah. So tell me about because I was I was on the panel at the time you were on your what what the future holds or what what was possibly the future of the show, the story. Well, I mean. So. So it's, it was, I don't want to say difficult for me because again, I don't have the book knowledge.

1:57:32 So it was really a lot of discussions about some of the storylines in the books that of course, I can't recall to you because I'm not familiar with them, but they were talking about certain things and about how they they could have seen certain certain storylines being pulled for the show. But also, I think the the thing about Suan was kind of like, what are y'all doing? What are y'all doing as far as her dying so, so early? But it was that one was mostly book talk. I think the other panel, the one that was the Season 3 review, I mean, there were, there were again, a lot of positive feelings about the show, especially for third season, a lot of disappointment.

1:58:25 I know that Jen, who is the track director for High Fantasy, something that she said about she was talking about how the show is pretty much dead in the water because they've, you know, they've dropped all options for they've dropped the, I guess the rights have resorted back to whoever was holding them and they have no plans on shopping it anywhere further. And then I saw, I guess somebody who was in the audience rights for one of the fandom media outlets because they quoted her on that. So it was, it was an interesting discussion. Like I said, a lot of people were very happy with the way Season 3 was, even people who didn't really care for it. Last season.

1:59:13 I think everybody was kind of in agreement that Season 2 was the weakest, but a lot of people were happy with the season. A lot of people are disappointed that is not coming back. It was fun. I was, I was just kind of going back and forth listening to them talk about certain things and what was it? There was something I said. You probably got spoiled a lot too. I I did, but I kind of figured that was going in and I was like, OK, I'm not going to worry about that because I had already known some spoilers just from seeing things online, talking to you. Because I think this was one of those shows where I was like, OK, I really don't care about spoilers because they could do something completely different in the show than they did in the book.

1:59:58 And we have. That was one of the reasons why even when we started watching the show, I was like, OK, I'm going to wait. Before I read the books because I don't want my brain to be confusing what's what's show and then what's books? So there was something that I said, I can't even remember what it was when I said it, something that I wish to happen in the show. 1 of my Co panelists was like, oh, you lied to us. You told us you didn't know anything about the books. So I was like, oh, was that spot on? And he was like, yeah, that does happen in the books. I don't even remember what it was, but they were, they were fun discussions. But I think once I start reading the books, I do think I'm probably going to go back to Jordan Con in March and go for the full weekend. I'm going to definitely make plans to do it just because I do see where this could be one of those fandoms that I kind of start to obsess over.

2:00:57 Not like obsessed. I mean, you know, you know how to get with with certain things, but. Yeah, and then we can't dislike something, we obsess over it. No, exactly. Yeah, we have. You know we have to love it. And I mean, the fact that we have a convention for this fandom right here in our backyard is literally like the hotel that they do it at is like 20 minutes away, 25 minutes away. So I guess I'll go get my fix then. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Might as well. But you guys have any final thoughts on? My final thought is I, I, I talk a lot and mess about the show. I am disappointed.

2:01:44 You know, I, I think I may have said this on the land panel that I was on, that I, I, I do, I, I really would have liked to have seen the Season 4. I think it would have been. I think it would have been good. They were on the right track. Yeah, I think it would have been good. So I am disappointed also this this for the record. Yeah, you just keep making fun of me and Mike because we're, I think we're a little more emotional about it. Yeah, whatever. I I'm, I'm just, I'm just mad because they're doing it to me again. This is Shadow and Bone all fucking over again and I'm pissed. Shadow and Bone Discovery Witches cursed like shows that we were interested in that that had potential to be like really, really good shows and.

2:02:31 It's like I really, I really want to, I really want to do this panel at Conjuration. I think that this would be a good one to like vent and get people to get their emotions out because a lot of people like, I know I understand the dollar. The bottom line you got this has to make money has to have these. I get that. But I don't think people real. I don't just like, I think they realize that they don't care, but these shows get into people's minds and hearts and it's something that they cling to. It's like it's something that, you know, I mean. That's what I'm saying all over again. Basically, I mean, it's like these are things. That Anthony. These are things that we that we as nerds, geeks have that that give us an escape and it gives us something that helps, that helps us like cope with things.

2:03:21 And it's like to just, you know, have something that, you know, takes our mind off of all this other bullshit for like the next 48 to 50 minutes. Yeah, give me, give me some man. I'm just just fucking irritates me. And it's like, you see the stuff that, that people that they keep going, I'm like, y'all, y'all just ridiculous. You're being, you're being ridiculous. But you know, here's what it is. I mean, hopefully if they do do something, I hope they do better than how they did Sense 8, cause Sense 8 was one of those shows that was on Netflix that everybody loved, myself included. It's great show got canceled. They switched one of the one of the main characters and, and it was just weird.

2:04:06 It wasn't the same. So they canceled the show. Then everybody said no, no, bring it back. And they did like a 2 hour movie finale, which seemed rushed, which just kind of crammed. They tried to cram a whole season like 8 or 9 episodes into two hours and it didn't work. And. It really the same thing with fire, with Firefly, with Serenity. They. Tried to wrap it up I mean. But they they didn't have, they didn't have to kill. They didn't have to kill my boy. I mean, but anyway, I'm gonna leave on the wind. OK, so anyway. But yeah, I hope that if they if they do give us some kind of closure, I would rather it be a miniseries of like 3 to 4, like 3 to 4 episodes just to wrap it up if you want, if they want to wrap it up. But I mean, really, I wanted to bring should bring the motherfucker back.

2:04:59 But if they want to try to give us closure, then fine. But don't give me a don't give me a 2 hour mini movie to try to wrap this shit up and I was just not going to work. No, so that they got too much going on too many characters, too many story arcs. Yeah, I I think as much as I hate to admit it, it's it's probably a done deal. We probably won't get any anything for it, which is sad. But like Anthony said, now is the perfect time, especially since we're still kind of our heads are still in this world. Now would be the perfect time to go and read the books, you know? Then again, that's most likely what I'm going to start doing.

2:05:41 So. Yeah. And I'll take with me, the memo reads. And on that note, that is it for The Wheel of Time and for our show. You can find us online at www.phantomhybrid.com. We are on social media, on all the social media at Phantom Hybrid. You can watch our videos on our YouTube channel, you can chat with us on our Discord channel, and you can listen to us on all major podcast streaming platforms. Thanks for listening. We hope you join the conversation next time.