Dragon Con 2024 Recap - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #306

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What's up hybrids?
Welcome back to another episode

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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast.
This is Hanukkah and I am here

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with Anthony and Mike and we are
discussing Dragon Con 2024.

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Yay yay Dragon Con has come.
So much fun.

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And we had so much fun and we
were so busy, and we got to talk

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about a whole bunch of nerdy
things.

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And we want to talk about it a
little bit.

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But before we get into our
Dragon Con discussion, we wanted

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to just do a little bit of an
aside because a few hours ago it

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was announced that James Earl
Jones, at age 93, passed away.

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And this man has an extensive
resume, but for those of us who

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are nerds, we know him mainly
from three things.

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And that is Coming to America,
The Lion King and the Star Wars

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franchise as the voice of Darth
Vader.

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So.
It's a voice that launched 1000

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fandoms.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
I mean, you didn't mention The

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Sandlot, which he's known for.
It's like.

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I was going to say that The
Sandlot is is amazing that

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movie.
I mean, his, his fences on

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Broadway, like his, his
performance on Fences on

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Broadway was just like, I mean,
he, I mean, Denzel was good in

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the movie, but him on Broadway
was just even way more intense

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than that.
I mean, he had, he's had such a

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long and illustrious career and
a respected career is that he's

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one, he's one, one of the few
actors that is respected across

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the board, across gender, across
race, across political belief,

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across any belief.
He was one of the most respected

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actors of all time.
Like everybody, I mean, even

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nerds and non nerds, like they
knew him from something, whether

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it was Lion King, whether the
Star Wars, whether it was just

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being the voice of CNN.
It's like they knew who he was

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and oh.
God.

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I forgot about that.
This.

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CNN yeah, but it's like he's, he
was so respected across the

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board that is like he was the
epitome of like trans

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transcendent.
Like he was literally, he

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literally was trans like
transcendent in the in show

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business.
It's a great loss, but I mean 93

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years is a hell of a run.
Right.

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And he was still working up
until like recently.

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Yeah.
So that wouldn't.

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Last Yeah, he did.
Yeah, he did some, he did some

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voice work for one of the Star
Wars shows.

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Can't remember which one off top
of my head, but yeah, he, he

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outside of Darth Vader, like
he's just amazing.

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One of the things that, you
know, when I learned how he used

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to stutter and how he overcame
that was really it really

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touched me somewhere because,
you know, growing I have a list

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and growing up, for me, it was
it wasn't difficult to speak,

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but I didn't like talking.
I didn't like talking because

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people make fun of my list.
And so, you know, and then

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having a deep voice as well,
even, you know, in middle school

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was, was something I always had
to contend with.

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And he sort of, you know, I
think I read an interview that

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him talking about that just made
me, you know, really want to try

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to overcome that.
So yeah, he'll, he'll always

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have a special place for me.
I mean, he had he has to be

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special.
Like he made he made a pretty,

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when you look at him, a pretty
despicable character, one of the

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most liked characters in
fandoms, like one of the most

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copied.
Like one one of the most.

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I mean, we really talk about
Dragon Con during the parade.

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How many how many Darth Vader's
do you see wanting to be like

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one night?
And he wasn't even the actor.

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He was just the voice.
And his voice inspired people to

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love that character.
Like how many people go around

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calling themselves Sith because
of him.

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Yeah.
So going back to what Anthony

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was saying, he did do recent
Star Wars stuff.

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The most recent was in 20/22.
He voiced Darth Vader in the Obi

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Wan Kenobi show.
Yeah, Kenobi.

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Show.
Yep, he also did Episode 9, he

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did Rogue One, he did Star Wars
Rebels, and those are just all

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within the last couple of years.
Of course he did coming to

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America too.
You know, he's known for The

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Lion King, Return of the Lion,
return of the roar, the Lion

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Guard.
I mean, he did The Big Bang

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theory.
Like there's so much on here.

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Jack and the Beanstalk.
He did house he did 2 1/2 men

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welcome home Roscoe Jenkins
Scary movie for like his his

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filmography goes all the way
back to what is this 1962 is

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what I see maybe a little bit.
No excuse me, no man, I'm wrong

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1952 he was on guiding light.
I did remember that I do.

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I do know that so he did soap
operas 1952 guiding light.

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He did as the world turns so, so
much stuff, such a long career,

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such a long life.
Like you said, my transcended

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all types of genres, all types
of like just entertainment in a

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nutshell.
So, you know, life well lived,

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job well done.
Rest in peace, good Sir James

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Earl Jones.
Yeah.

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That was.
That was a hard 1, though.

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Like, even though 9093 is good,
but we have lost some really

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good legendary actors,
especially like recently,

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recently, because we also lost
Donald Sutherland not too long

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ago, who also had a huge long
career.

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But OK, let's move along.
Let's talk about Dragon Con.

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Yeah, so for those of you who
listen to us and who follow us,

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you know that Dragon Con is like
the big con for us, not just as

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a podcast, but just as nurse in
general.

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Anthony, you've been going.
This was your 24th year at

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Dragon Con. 24th year at Dragon
Con.

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I'm going to be like you and I
grow up.

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Me and my amazing little 17
years it's.

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Me and my music. 20. 6, 5-6.
That's OK.

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It's OK.
It's.

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OK, you catch up because?
I know some people who are still

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like, I still haven't been to
Dragon Con, and I have people

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who come up to me.
I'm a goat this year.

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I'm like, yeah, right.
I ain't going to see you.

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And one panel someone was like,
man, if you had known this would

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be your 24th year, will you have
bought the eternal membership?

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Hell yes, Because I think when I
start, I started coming in 2007,

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I think the eternal membership
at that time was like maybe

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$750, maybe it.
May have been, I think it was a

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little more than that, but yeah.
It might have been, but either

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way it goes, Yes, if I'd have
known, I'd have taken some of

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that tax money and bought me an
eternal.

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And bought an eternal
membership, yeah.

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Because now it's like what, 4000
dollars 4500?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I've met a couple people at

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Eternal membership.
They they get some pretty

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interesting perks.
Yeah, but it.

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It.
I would hope so, but.

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For $4500 you better I I better
be the Grand Marshall of the

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parade.
Who you talking?

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They need to throw in a hotel
room.

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I remember I love dragon con,
but I don't love dragon.

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I remember years ago, I was, I
was trying to talk to Rachel

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Lutrell from Stargate.
And like there was that that was

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when you could literally walk up
to people, you know, walk up to

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celebrities and whatnot.
And, and they literally brought

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this guy over and kind of moved
me out the way to talk to her.

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And it was the eternal member.
I was like, really?

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OK.
Really.

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And she's like, OK, I'm sorry
about that.

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They did their thing, you know,
chatted him up and then he went

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off and she's like, wow, that.
That was really rude.

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That's it.
Yeah.

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But there was.
That was an eternal member.

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I.
Mean.

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I don't think they do that for
them anymore.

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But hey, you know, you pay for
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You pay for it.
That's true, but it's like now

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with it being like $4000, like
if you buy your membership

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immediately after Dragon Con or
while Dragon Con is still going

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for the following year, right
now it's $100.

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That means in order for me to
get my money's worth like I

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could, that's 4045 years.
I don't know if I can do it.

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Dragon Con at 100, I struggled
doing it for at 49 I felt every

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one of my 49 years.
This year, I don't know where it

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was.
Those heels were a little bit

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harder.
The sun was a little bit hotter

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and it was just, it was so many
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The, the Walk of Fame on, I want
to say was either Friday night

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or Saturday.
It was so ridiculous trying to

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get in there because the line
literally it, it curved around

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the waiting area and then it
curved past the charity booth.

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It I mean, it literally curved
all over.

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Like they had to tell people who
was going to like our panels.

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We do a lot of panels on the
American sci-fi fantasy media

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track, which is up under like
the, the main level of the

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Marriott.
So you go under the escalators

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and the line for the Walk of
Fame was there and people had to

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tell them to move.
They were like, no, we need this

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space to line up our people for
our panels.

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And I was like, I've never, ever
seen it like that.

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I.
Don't know anything about that

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because all of our panels are in
the Marriott so.

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You know what?
Whatever.

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Whatever.
That's the.

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Marriott.
No, but I didn't have to walk up

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in the heels.
I didn't have to go back and

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forth between hotels.
We don't care.

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That you didn't need to get your
steps.

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You didn't need to get.
Your steps.

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I got mine, man.
Was that was that the one with

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you?
Me, Michelle and Burma.

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I don't know, it was one of the
other panels.

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Do we go Saturday?
No, I'm saying we were in line

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for the Walk of Fame.
Trying maybe?

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Yeah, yeah.
I didn't even get to, I didn't

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even get to go to the Walk of
Fame this time.

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Like I did not step foot inside
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And I really wanted to get
Michelle Hurd's autograph.

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Yeah, I went in there twice.
Yeah, I went to Michelle Hurd's

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autograph.
But and I I saw Nathan Filion,

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but I also saw Nathan Filion's
line and I was like.

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He was part of the reason for
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I went, I think Mike and I went
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We went on Friday, like Friday
afternoon because we just wanted

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to walk through and kind of get
an idea of where everybody was,

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if we were going to do like
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And I walked through and there
was some lines where there was

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nothing, like, I think the two
of the kids from the Avatar

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Netflix series, at the point
that I walked past them, they

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didn't have anybody in their
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But then you walk around the
corner, it's like, oh, my God.

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I think Nathan Filion had a huge
line.

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Ross Marquan had a huge line.
Manny Jacinto had a huge like,

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yeah.
Ming Na didn't even have Ming Na

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didn't even have that long line.
I was shocked at that.

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It was kind of a couple of times
I've seen me nod, I've walked up

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to her because there was no one
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But this is also not her first
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She's a dragon.
Con so it could be this a lot of

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because because I'm one of those
people I know there are some

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people who will go and meet the
same celebrities over and over

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and over again.
I'm I'm not one of those people.

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I can't afford that.
But so I don't know, maybe it's

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because Ming Na has been here
before.

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A lot of people who were here
probably have already seen her.

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But like Nathan Filion, I think
he's had to cancel the last

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couple of times.
He was supposed to come to

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Dragon Con for filming.
So this was the first time he

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was like, actually there.
Alan Tudick was there.

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You know, it was like a whole
bunch of other people.

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But yeah, we walked through that
Friday and I was like, OK, I may

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try to come later.
And then I tried on Saturday and

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Saturday was not hitting it.
And then I think I walked

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through on Monday before our
panels just to see who was left

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and it was a ghost town.
So I was like, OK.

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Yeah, we all catch those Monday
flights to get mad here.

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Yeah, yeah.
I mean, there were a couple of

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people who were still around,
but yeah, it wasn't, it wasn't

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any of it because I think most
of the quote UN quote big

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people, we're still doing
panels.

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So they were on panels that
afternoon because I think the

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last big panel was like 2:30.
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So this, I think this was my
first year that I didn't do

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anything in the Walk of Fame.
So I didn't get an autograph.

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I didn't.
Yeah, I know.

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This is my first year.
I didn't even walk through there

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at all.
Yeah.

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First time ever so cool.
Have not grown.

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Walk of Fame.
Because I walked past a couple

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of people and saw them like in
the hall, like Brett Dalton from

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Agents of SHIELD.
Grant Ward walked past me and I

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was like, I know I've met this
dude before.

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I did not realize he was this
tall, so he walked past me.

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I think Bonnie Wright walked
past me once.

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That's Jenny Weasley from the
Harry Potter series.

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And somebody else walked past me
and I was just kind of did a

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double take and I was like, oh,
OK.

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But yeah, no, I was in panels
all weekend, which was great

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because.
Yes, I saw.

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I saw rikishi.
And you know, it wasn't rikishi.

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Yeah, I'm sorry.
And then and then, oh, oh, but

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hold on.
But we also saw when we came out

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of our panel, we saw.
Hold on.

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His name is Tanoi Reed, the rock
stuntman.

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Like it was.
It was me, Hanukkah and our.

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Friend Dina and I think Calvin
was that there was there's like

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a whole group that I hang around
with off and on during Dragon

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console we.
Were it's like, it's like we're

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just standing there taking
pictures of cosplays and I look

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and I'm like, wow, that is a
really good Black Adam cosplay.

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I'm going to take his picture.
So I go over there and look and

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it's him and I'm like, and who I
was with him was like, you want

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a picture?
I was like, do you mind?

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He's like, yeah, I guess like I
guess he had been taking

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pictures.
Like everybody been coming up to

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even take a pic.
I'm like, thank you.

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So I take 2 pictures with him.
I'm like, dude, I follow you on

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Instagram.
You're great.

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He's like, oh, cool, thanks
dude.

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I'm like, yeah, that go back.
I'm like that's, that's, that's

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the double.
That's him.

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That's actually him like in the
actual costume.

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And they're like, everybody's
like what I'm like.

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It's him.
A couple of my friends took off.

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Yeah, it's like the relis was
like help.

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Like she she literally wouldn't
like Speedy Gonzales.

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I was like, yo, like I think she
always knocked me over.

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And see, I had seen him upstairs
because I think Mike realized

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who it was 'cause I showed him a
picture.

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I was like, yo, there's a guy
who's dressed as Black Adam and

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he looks really, really like
similar.

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He looks almost like the rock.
And I showed it to Mike.

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He was like, think I follow him
on Instagram.

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I was like what I.
Was like, that's right.

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I was like, I was almost like,
oh shit, that's him.

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Like oh fuck, that's why I went
over there.

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Yeah, I went over there and did
a better picture because my

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picture was blurry and he was
the one who was like, you want

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to get in the picture with me?
Yes, Absolutely.

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Yes.
He was really cool about it.

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Like he was really fucking cool.
He had a relish throwing her

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hair like.
That's just that's.

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Just my girl that was awesome.
But I mean that, but I mean he

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was really cool about and that's
one of the things you like about

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Dragon Con is like the stars
that know know that you're going

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to come up and get pictures with
him in the wild.

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And then as long as you're
respectful, they're like cool.

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Come on.
Yeah, and the the cost, OK.

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So I took I had to take in about
400 pictures maybe.

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I usually take anywhere between
3 and 700 pictures of cosplay at

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Dragon Con every single year.
How is it that I still there

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were still people I did not come
across like the.

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Because it's 80,000 people,
that's why that's.

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Why people?
But.

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And you know what?
I stopped.

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The funny thing is, I was
listening to our, I was

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listening to our episode of
X-Men 97 earlier today and we

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were talking about the Magneto
up on the thing with the, the

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underwear.
And I was like, you know, we're

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going to see a million of them
in Dragon Con.

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I did not see one single Magneto
strapped up to the thing.

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I'm I'm, I'm upset.
But I did see a couple of worms

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from them.
I did see those.

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Did you see?
The popcorn bucket, someone?

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Came.
Someone came dressed as the Dune

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popcorn bucket.
Oh wow, wow.

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I just on the on the picture
thing.

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So having gone 24 years, those
first 10 or 11 years I took a

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lot of pictures.
I'm I'm sure I took well over 3

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or 4000 pictures.
I can't do it no more.

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I can't.
I can't.

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I took one picture this time
because this guy had a really

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cool looking War Machine costume
that that was functional, like

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the helmet would go up and down.
So I took a picture of him

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because he kept like Don
Cheadle.

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Yeah, yeah.
He he, the guy looked, he looked

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just like Don Cheadle.
I.

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Took a picture of him.
Yeah, he was.

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That was the only the only
picture I took of, well, besides

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Bailey of cosplay really.
Yeah, damn.

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But I don't take any.
It has to be something that a

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I've never seen before or it's
just so rare to see.

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I will take a picture of it, but
it is few and far between for

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me.
Wow.

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Because it's all used to do sit.
Sit in the Hyatt or the Marriott

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and just take pictures of
cosplay.

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And so you can't really do that
anymore because it's so crowded,

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right?
It was so crowded, Yeah.

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Yeah, you have to follow them
around.

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I think when when a relist and I
first started going in 2007, I

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think the first few years, this
was before I started doing

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panels.
So literally I'm on the con

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floor all day when I'm not going
to panels.

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And there will be a cosplay that
we would see like across the

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building and we would literally
Sprint to go get that picture.

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And she she started calling her
and my other friend chances.

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They used to start calling me
the Conor Razzi because they

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were like, oh, Hanukkah's going
to get there.

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You can't do it now.
Like I'll I'll go a short

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distance, but it's so many
people and it's so hard to get

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through.
Then I'm like, OK, you know

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what?
I was at some point, I'll see

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them at some point.
But there was some really good

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costumes this year and I was
like, I wish I could get more,

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but unfortunately my phone
couldn't hold all of that.

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I had to come home and clear out
my my phone because between

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taking pictures, trying to
record panels, my phone was

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like, bruh, we limited on space.
I didn't get a chance to.

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I didn't get a chance to take a
lot.

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But I mean, I didn't even set
foot in the Hilton at all this

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year.
And I know there was some other,

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I know there are people who like
hang out in the Hilton.

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For the most part, you find your
your usual cosplayers that hang

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out in the Marriott, like
especially certain certain

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cosplayers who do the same, the
same elaborate costumes every

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year.
They pretty much know where

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their spot is.
They know where people going to

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come find them and you know,
kind of stick there.

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I just didn't have time to go to
the this year I did.

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Yeah, but back in the day, back
in the day, like the Marriott

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level was where all the really
good cosplayers were and it was

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on the atrium level.
And then like they got crowded.

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And so the last time I took
pictures, I did in in the Hyatt.

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No, in the Hilton, because
people were going to the Hilton

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lobby and they were just
standing there.

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You could take pictures and it
never got crowded like the

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Marriott on on the Atrium and
the Marriott and the Marquis.

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But.
That's because everybody's on

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the back steps at the Hilton
taking, doing the photo shoots.

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That's probably.
Why right?

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And I hate that I didn't get to
go to any photo shoots.

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I didn't get to take any
pictures of photo shoots this

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year, but luckily.
Yeah, Bailey missed the Sailor

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Moon photo shoot.
She wanted to do that.

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Yeah, I went to the Deadpool
woman's Crip was so good.

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Like holy shit.
And you know, we didn't see as

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many Deadpool as I thought I
would.

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I didn't see as many as I
thought I would.

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Yeah, as I thought I would.
I didn't see.

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And I couldn't even get a good
picture of a Deadpool and a

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Wolverine because every time I
saw like, especially like the

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really good ones, there was one
guy who looked like eerily like

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Hugh Jackman.
But they're way over there and

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I'm way over here.
And I was just like, OK, maybe

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tomorrow.
Not one I didn't get, I don't

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think.
I got one pair of Deadpool and

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Wolverine.
I got a few Deadpools, I got a

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few Deadpool variants.
I got AI, got a nice pool.

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But yeah, I didn't get the two
of them together.

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And I was so sad.
It's like I remember when Loki

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came out, we thought we would
see a lot of Loki variants.

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We didn't see that many Loki
variants.

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Yeah, well, yeah, because
everybody was doing.

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Yeah, people were doing the same
Loki variance.

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We we kept seeing the same.
Ones right?

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The same President Loki.
President Loki, right?

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The alligator Loki or yeah so
but but yeah, I expected to see

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more, especially because we
usually see Deadpools all over

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the Dragon Con anyway, so.
There was a Deadpool

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Stormtrooper.
It was a Deadpool Stormtrooper.

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Yeah.
Yeah, I'm trying.

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I didn't have my phone out so I
missed that.

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Missed the picture for that one
but that that was.

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Kind of I may have gotten that
one.

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I don't remember.
I I do know that there was a,

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there was AI think I saw a pink
one, yeah.

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There was pink.
Yo the the pink, the pink one in

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the in the dress.
In the ballerina.

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Skirts.
The ball scene was like, maybe I

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didn't see the skirt, but I saw
I saw a pink stormtrooper.

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OK.
Yeah, there's like, there's like

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an inflatable Pikachu Deadpool
that I saw.

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I did see that one, Yep.
Yes, I saw that one.

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Yeah.
I did get, yeah, 'cause I did

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get a chance.
I happened to be sitting on the

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floor charging my phone when the
dinosaur parade came by me and I

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was like, oh, I actually get to
see it from the start.

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So that was great.
That was the inflatable

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dinosaurs.
And then the following night I

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got to watch the Mando March and
I think we literally.

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Oh my God, that was crazy.
And record.

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It was like a 4 1/2 minute March
with mandalorians of all shapes,

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sizes, colors, variations.
It was.

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And it just did not end.
It just kept going.

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I was just like, This is why I
love Dragon Con, because we get

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to see stuff like this.
It's a thing.

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But I like the March of the
Ills.

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I missed it this year.
Billy and I catch it every year

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for some reason.
We're always catching it, always

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catching it.
I missed, I think, I think what

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happened though.
I think I was on a panel at the

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time so that that's probably
why.

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But.
This was Bailey's third year.

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Bailey's my 6 year old daughter.
This was her third year.

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This was her first five day.
So she came with us OK?

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She came with, did she come with
us Friday?

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So she came with us Saturday and
Sunday, OK, but but she

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cosplayed both days.
OK.

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Which she's she's up on me on
cosplay because she's cosplayed

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00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,680
every year.
But that's neither here nor

448
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:28,640
there.
So yeah, I was in the Marriott

449
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,280
all day doing panels most of the
time.

450
00:27:32,120 --> 00:27:34,360
But the cool thing was being
able to hang with her.

451
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:39,520
Having gone 23 years now, I've
been to a lot of things.

452
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:44,360
Those kind of cool to watch to
be to be around people like Mike

453
00:27:44,360 --> 00:27:48,040
who haven't gone a lot because
you get to see and experience it

454
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:51,360
with them all over again.
And so experiencing with Bailey

455
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:57,200
and going to her track, she
likes the Silk Road, which is a

456
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:01,720
track that has a lot of the
Asian influence stuff, anime,

457
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:06,600
all that stuff.
And I will tell you this, if

458
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:12,640
there's any track that needs a
larger room, it is them because

459
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:18,640
every panel has a line.
Every panel fills up.

460
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,480
I swear we spend most of the
Sunday in there.

461
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:23,600
It is.
It is in.

462
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:26,560
It's in the.
It's in the Hilton.

463
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:28,360
Oh, OK.
Right.

464
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:29,640
Yeah, It's in the Hilton.
Oh.

465
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,120
Yeah, 'cause those rooms are
kind of small.

466
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,680
Well, they're long.
They're not wide.

467
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:42,080
Oh, OK, OK.
But but for the number of people

468
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,880
that are interested, it's really
not enough.

469
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,080
But I don't think there are any
other large rooms that they can

470
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:52,640
go in.
But, you know, I've gone to

471
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:56,800
panels on a lot of tracks where
they'll have a packed panel and

472
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:58,640
then there'll be a panel with
like three people in it.

473
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,800
The Silk Road, always a full
house.

474
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:07,040
Always.
But that's where she spent most

475
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,400
of her time.
And, and it, it was kind of fun.

476
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,840
I was with her.
Michelle was with her a lot on

477
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:15,560
Saturday.
Or we would walk her to the room

478
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:19,160
and then drop her off, you know,
in line and then go do our

479
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,840
thing.
But I went to like maybe 3 or 4

480
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,280
panels with her on Saturday.
But it, it was fun.

481
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:28,480
It's always fun to see you know
someone new experience Dragon

482
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:29,640
Con.
Right.

483
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,040
Especially a younger person.
I just wanted to say that

484
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,360
especially, Yeah, especially a
young person, yeah.

485
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:36,480
Yeah.
Let's.

486
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:38,440
Talk about these panels a little
bit.

487
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,760
What was your what was your
favorite panel that you

488
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,080
attended?
Not one that you were on, but

489
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:52,200
one that you attended.
Oh.

490
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,200
Yeah, I got to be honest.
You gave us these questions

491
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,760
before, before I don't I.
Don't think, I don't think, I

492
00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:59,360
don't think I had time to
attend.

493
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,280
I don't think I attended any
other than mine because I had

494
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:07,760
like I had 11 problems.
I had 11 and it's like they were

495
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:11,040
all over there and like, and I
know Saturday I was walking all

496
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,800
over the place because I
started, I started into

497
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:17,200
Courtland, then I walked over to
the over to the Marriott, Then I

498
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,360
walked up to the West and then I
walked back to the Marriott.

499
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:25,080
So let.
Me tell you, the Uber Bird

500
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:29,640
scooters were my best friend
Dragon Con weekend because when

501
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:34,120
I had to get from one end of the
earth to the other, that's what

502
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:37,920
I did because there were so many
people walking and it was so

503
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,160
crowded.
I was like, I can't be late.

504
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:44,480
I I was almost late for my
Outlander panel on Sunday.

505
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:48,840
I had to come from the West End
and I, I caught myself going

506
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,240
through the Marriott because the
streets were so crowded.

507
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,760
I was like, OK, let me do that.
I ended up seeing a friend of

508
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,640
mine that I had not seen the
entire con.

509
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:02,360
So I stopped saying hey to her.
And then I literally got like I

510
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,760
told Michelle earlier, I got
discombobulated.

511
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:08,200
I was like, do I not have
anywhere to be until 4:00?

512
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,120
And I was like, no.
And I started walking.

513
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,680
And then I get a message from
Anthony and he was like, we're

514
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,720
waiting for you at the court.
I'm like, oh, wait, I have to go

515
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:18,760
all the way down there.
I'm thinking I'm supposed to be

516
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,640
in the Marriott.
I was like, wait a minute, let

517
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,320
me get on this scooter and come
on down the street.

518
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,560
But.
Yeah, Michelle was texting me

519
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,440
and he's like, Hanukkah was not
here yet and they're holding,

520
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,240
they're waiting to let anyone in
until Hanukkah.

521
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,480
Told me.
I was like, I was trying to get

522
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:38,840
there, but it was it was so many
people.

523
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:43,960
And again, this was also the
same day that the downstairs was

524
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,800
so packed.
And I was like, I don't know why

525
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:50,560
I thought going this way would
be better because I was going

526
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:52,880
away from the Walk of Fame.
It didn't matter.

527
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,000
It didn't matter.
It was crowded.

528
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,080
I was like, OK, so let's just do
this.

529
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,040
Let let me hurry up and get
downstairs.

530
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:01,520
Let me get one of these
scooters.

531
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,520
Let me go down the street.
I was like, OK, I'm good.

532
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,760
But so I.
I did like.

533
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,000
I did like your Deadpool trilogy
panel though.

534
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,600
You mean you mean the Deadpool
trilogy that turned into a basic

535
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:18,000
MCU panel?
It really did.

536
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,680
It did that that panel got Co
opted, but it it was a lot of

537
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:26,400
fun to be on that panel and and
talk about Deadpool and talk

538
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:30,480
about the MCU.
Talk about MCU panels are always

539
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:34,080
fun.
Like we always have so much fun.

540
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:39,000
And you know, I know that we
have to keep the panels an hour.

541
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:43,760
I don't know the logistics that
goes into planning Dragon

542
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,480
contract panels.
I don't even want to know

543
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,440
because that's a lot of work.
Just from the little bit that I

544
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,280
talked to the track directors
when they're trying to figure

545
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,280
out where to place people, I'm
like, no, I couldn't be

546
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,200
distressed.
It's a lot, but a lot of those

547
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,400
panels, especially the MC,
anything having to deal with any

548
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,680
Marvel topic whatsoever, I
really feel like those could be

549
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,640
hour and a half long panels,
maybe even 2 hour long panels.

550
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:11,720
Because like for the Deadpool
trilogy, when we started talking

551
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:16,560
about Deadpool, but of course
with Deadpool and Wolverine, we

552
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:20,840
go into the whole sacred
timeline, the TVA, the

553
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:24,560
multiverse.
And so it just kind of went from

554
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:31,560
there and we got off track and
then we tried to pull it back in

555
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:33,240
and then it went off track
again.

556
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,040
So it went back out.
At some point we're just like,

557
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:39,720
OK, we're just talking.
I mean that I think I think

558
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,760
those are the best panels anyway
when especially when you have a

559
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:46,200
lot of crowd participation
because this was on a, this was

560
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,560
a Monday 230 panel.
This is the last one of the last

561
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:55,280
panels of the entire Dragon Con.
We had a full room on a Monday

562
00:33:55,520 --> 00:34:00,320
at 2:30 and we had a lot of
audience participation.

563
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:04,080
It was so much fun and I was
like do we really have to get

564
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:08,440
up?
That was that was so much fun.

565
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:12,080
I think for me I only got to
attend.

566
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:20,840
I think I attended 3 panels
total and for me the fun one was

567
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:26,480
Mike's panel on I think it was
Sunday night they did on the.

568
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,880
Face off panel.
And it was face off.

569
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:33,480
So basically we were doing
bracket style tournament for the

570
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:38,159
movies of John Travolta versus
the movies of Nicolas Cage.

571
00:34:38,159 --> 00:34:39,040
It's.
So much fun.

572
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:45,719
I think that's the first panel
I've ever attended on the sci-fi

573
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:51,199
Classics channel.
Sci-fi classic track because I'm

574
00:34:51,199 --> 00:34:53,199
always.
Shame on you.

575
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,400
Well, I'm always on panels
during times when there's stuff

576
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,960
that I want to go to.
So I'm just messing with.

577
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:04,600
You that particular one, I
stayed late because the last few

578
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,520
years I've I've left kind of
early on Sunday night.

579
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,800
But this year I decided I was
like, OK, I'm going to go stick

580
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:16,800
my head into the Yule Ball And
then, oh, Mike has a panel at

581
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:17,720
10:00.
You know what?

582
00:35:17,720 --> 00:35:22,360
I'm feeling pretty OK.
I wasn't, I wasn't zonked like I

583
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,040
thought I would be.
I was like, OK, I'm going to go

584
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:28,360
to this panel.
When I tell you that is the most

585
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:34,560
fun I think I've had at a panel,
aside from the panel we did on

586
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:38,360
Saturday night, which was the
worst person in Westeros, which

587
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,840
was also kind of bracket style.
That panel.

588
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:47,360
First of all, some of the movies
people threw out for Nicolas

589
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:51,000
Cage and John Travolta.
Now, I'm not familiar with all

590
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:52,720
of the filmography for both of
those.

591
00:35:52,720 --> 00:35:54,320
There are certain movies of
theirs I like.

592
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:58,000
In certain movies, I'm like, but
people were pulling out movies

593
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:02,080
and I was like, I haven't heard
of that movie in like 30 years.

594
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,120
Why did that?
Why was that the first one that

595
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,800
came to your mind?
And then we have to go.

596
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,120
Broken Arrow?
Broken Arrow had to be on the

597
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,040
list I think.
Broken Arrow was on the list.

598
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:16,280
That that movie is amazing.
It it is.

599
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:21,000
The thing the thing about it is
though, for for all the movies

600
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:25,240
mentioned, for both of both
actors, for the panel to be

601
00:36:25,240 --> 00:36:28,280
called the face off, nobody
mentioned their characters from

602
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,680
the face off.
And I was like, I'm so

603
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,600
disappointed in all, I think.
That would have been kind of

604
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,280
obvious.
They should have been on.

605
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,400
I mean, I mean, I think they
probably should have been like,

606
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,200
you know #1 sees, if we're going
to name this should just been #1

607
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,560
sees.
But I mean, at least see they

608
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:46,320
should, they should have been on
the list.

609
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:48,200
Let's just put it that way.
I think it should have been on

610
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:49,920
the list 'cause there's some of
their been.

611
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:53,600
But you know, I like the fact
that people kind of thought

612
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:57,480
outside the box and brought in
like even some of the most more

613
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:01,640
obscure of their films.
I I kind of like that because,

614
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:07,280
OK, yes, the, the title of the
panel was face off bringing in

615
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,320
those two characters.
That would have been too

616
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,480
obvious.
Let's let's use our brains a

617
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,480
little bit.
And I love the fact that people

618
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,400
were doing that because somebody
said Bolt and I was like, we're

619
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:19,160
really going to bring the dog
movie in.

620
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,480
And that was like such a big
thing.

621
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:23,760
That did come, that came out of
left, that did kind of come out

622
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,000
of left field.
Because Nick was like if y'all

623
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:30,040
eliminate the dog, y'all are
horrible and the dog.

624
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,120
Lasted 2 rounds.
But the dog got eliminated.

625
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,800
But like, I was sitting here
listening to some some of the

626
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:41,320
other movies that they were
bringing in and like you said,

627
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,480
Anthony, you like OK, Broken
Arrow had to be one.

628
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:49,720
I'm really disappointed that
nobody said Hairspray for John

629
00:37:49,720 --> 00:37:54,120
Travolta.
I'm so disappointed because that

630
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:58,400
definitely should have been one.
But that when I say.

631
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:03,160
I really want, I wanted them to
do, I wanted them to do Superman

632
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:04,840
from the Flash.
I just wanted someone just to

633
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,720
say Superman from the Flash.
I thought about that too, but

634
00:38:07,720 --> 00:38:11,040
the fact that it was like a
cameo and not like we didn't

635
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:12,560
really get to see him do
anything.

636
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,720
So it's.
Still Nicholas Cage's Superman,

637
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:16,800
though it's still Nicholas
Cage's Superman.

638
00:38:18,720 --> 00:38:26,960
But when I say that panel was
loud and full of chaos and the

639
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:33,240
sci-fi classics track they have
on the back table, they

640
00:38:33,240 --> 00:38:39,200
basically had like a, a, a a
trading like a grab and go type

641
00:38:39,240 --> 00:38:43,000
thing where you can bring in
stuff and you can take stuff.

642
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:48,920
So they have like movies.
I got I got a spider Gwen, Funko

643
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:50,560
Pop.
They had something else.

644
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:55,880
Yes, I did.
I did shout out to Gary, shout

645
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:59,160
out to Gary and Gary.
Shout out to Joe, those guys are

646
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:03,400
awesome.
And Gary's podcast of our mother

647
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,720
Amontillado, he's had me on that
show a couple of times.

648
00:39:06,720 --> 00:39:10,000
He's he's good.
Oh, and Nick, because Nick has,

649
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:14,280
Nick has been adopted.
Nick, Nick has been adopted by

650
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,600
the track.
Good.

651
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:18,280
He should be.
This is Jimmy.

652
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,560
This is Jim.
But they had back there on the,

653
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:29,680
the table, somebody donated a, a
whole bag of plastic kazoos and

654
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:33,920
nobody was taking the kazoos.
So what they did was before the

655
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:38,640
panel started, they went by and
they started helping out the

656
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,480
kazoos.
And there was there was there

657
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:45,200
was a couple of people sitting
behind us and they're making all

658
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:49,360
of these comments about how to
use the kazoos and how to make

659
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:54,080
them, you know, how to make the
sound come out of them.

660
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:57,920
And some of the comments were
not appropriate.

661
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:01,280
And we were just in there dying
laughing.

662
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:05,280
And then as the panel goes on
and we're starting to do like

663
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,840
the voting and everybody's
talking to, you know, pros and

664
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:12,480
cons for each movie, people
start using the kazoos.

665
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,960
So it gets to a point where.
Badly.

666
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:19,600
They start blowing the kazoos
and it was like I said, it was

667
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:25,760
the most purest fun chaos I have
been in in a panel.

668
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:29,160
It's like some of some of them
didn't was like blister hearts.

669
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:30,720
They had no idea what they were
doing.

670
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:31,960
It's like, you know, they were
like.

671
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,640
It was like it was fun.
Children.

672
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:39,720
Everyone devolved into a bunch
of kids.

673
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,680
Yes, we.
Did they did It was. 10:00 on a

674
00:40:42,720 --> 00:40:44,400
Sunday night.
Yes, we were.

675
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,880
We were awesome, Yeah.
There's nothing wrong with that.

676
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:49,320
There's Dragon Con.
There's.

677
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,080
Nothing wrong, right?
Oh, it's Dragon Con.

678
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,520
I loved it.
I don't feel like I got to go to

679
00:40:55,520 --> 00:41:01,240
a lot of panels, but the two
that I really liked were were

680
00:41:01,240 --> 00:41:05,080
Smallville top five episodes
because there was a lot of

681
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:08,880
nostalgia Mat and I forgot about
some episodes that were like

682
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:14,000
really, really good.
OK, so that was in that was the

683
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:15,760
classic track.
That was that was fine.

684
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,000
And the other one was your
panel.

685
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,120
I think you you did the Rogue
Prince.

686
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:22,080
Yes.
Damon Targaryen.

687
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,800
Damon Targaryen.
That was a great panel.

688
00:41:25,720 --> 00:41:27,440
That was a great panel.
That was fine.

689
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:29,640
That was a lot of fun.
That was a lot of fun.

690
00:41:30,720 --> 00:41:33,560
Because because we're, we're
debating, you know, we're

691
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:37,080
talking about Damon Targaryen,
the, the rogue Prince, the one

692
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:42,680
who is like in the show, such a
complex character.

693
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,640
But in the book, what was it
Tara kept saying?

694
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,040
She kept saying he was so evil
in the book.

695
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:52,160
And she just kept iterating.
Oh, no, she was doing that more

696
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,600
so for the worst, worst person
in Westeros.

697
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:56,360
House of the Dragon Edition
panel.

698
00:41:57,240 --> 00:41:59,360
Or she did it more.
Oh well, in in this panel, she

699
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,360
was like, she, she's like, I'm
just amazed.

700
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:06,080
And all of you people like him
because in the book he's

701
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:10,000
terrible.
In the text he is awful.

702
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:15,720
It was even worse for the worst
person because basically what

703
00:42:15,720 --> 00:42:20,680
the high fantasy track did was
they put a poll out on their

704
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:23,680
Facebook page like maybe a week
and a half, two weeks before

705
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,360
Dragon Con.
And they wanted people to vote

706
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:30,240
for who the worst person in
Westeros was for House of the

707
00:42:30,240 --> 00:42:32,480
Dragon.
And then what they did was they

708
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,960
took the top 8 and they made
brackets.

709
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:38,600
So it was basically whoever got
the, you know, the votes, they

710
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,840
put them in brackets and then we
had to debate them on why.

711
00:42:42,240 --> 00:42:49,400
And The funny thing is, at the
end of that panel, the popular

712
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:54,520
vote was that Larry Strong was
the worst person in Westeros.

713
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:59,120
And Tara kept saying over day.
It.

714
00:43:02,240 --> 00:43:05,760
Was such a those House of the.
Shout out Tara.

715
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,000
Hey, Tara.
Shout out Tara.

716
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,920
We shout not everyone.
She was Speaking of Tara.

717
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,800
She was like you were surprised
when you saw her on your Walking

718
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:19,520
Dead panel.
I was because I only ever like

719
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:22,200
I've done panels.
With only ever seen her in high

720
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,840
fantasy.
And it's always on high fantasy.

721
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:29,840
So when she was on Walking Dead,
I was like, hey, And then when

722
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:34,240
she did the when we got to the
road panel, she said I was on

723
00:43:34,240 --> 00:43:36,920
the I was just on the panel with
one of your Co hosts.

724
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,120
I said Anthony, She said yes,
she said.

725
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:40,880
And I didn't.
She said I didn't put two and

726
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:44,120
two together until he said
fandom hybrid podcast.

727
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:50,000
And I was like, so.
So yeah, yeah, I, I was

728
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:53,960
surprised, but let me tell you,
that Walking Dead panel was so

729
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,520
much fun.
It was so much fun.

730
00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:00,600
And that is another panel and
another topic, especially

731
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:03,040
because we were talking about
the expanded universe.

732
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,040
That's another one that could
have been an hour and a half,

733
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,520
two hours, because people had a
lot to say.

734
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:09,680
Yeah.
So.

735
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:14,880
I'm going to throw in the
machine back dark matter.

736
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:20,040
We we went to a panel on dark
matter and because we debated

737
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:23,240
about the show, well, we argued
about the show and the show was

738
00:44:23,240 --> 00:44:28,560
on the the the argument kind of
spilled over into the panel and

739
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,040
people were like, are, are y'all
going to be OK?

740
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:37,480
You know, 'cause we were at
Conjuration, because we were at

741
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:42,120
Conjuration and we were on the
we were on, I was on the panel

742
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:49,320
the house for like classifying
characters into a house.

743
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:53,400
We're doing Strange New Worlds.
She was in the audience and we

744
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,920
were going back and forth about
one of the characters.

745
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:02,040
So, you know, but there people
like, oh, these are very cute,

746
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:04,720
blah, blah, blah, blah.
No, here people like, are y'all

747
00:45:04,720 --> 00:45:07,560
going to be OK?
Because we were sitting next to

748
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:09,160
each other and we were going
back and forth.

749
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:11,560
We might as well have been on
the panel, to be honest with

750
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:15,600
you.
But it was, it was a lot of fun.

751
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:16,600
We had a lot of.
Fun.

752
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:20,000
So y'all basically do what y'all
do on the podcast when y'all are

753
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,440
on here?
Yeah, yeah, I told someone you

754
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:23,920
should, you should watch the
podcast.

755
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:26,160
You should, you should come to
the YouTube and watch the

756
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:30,720
podcast and you'll, you will see
look up the House of Dragon

757
00:45:30,720 --> 00:45:34,880
podcast and right.
Right, like you will see this

758
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:38,440
we're we're good, we're good.
This is a regular thing from.

759
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:40,520
We we're good.
This is, this is normal.

760
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:45,360
First, because I was sitting
next to her and I was like, OK,

761
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:49,040
so I, I always have this
argument with someone and I'm

762
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:55,120
pointing to her behind her head.
And then some of the pals, I'm

763
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:58,000
assuming that the person you're
talking about is sitting here

764
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,720
because actually before that
Michelle raised her hand, she's

765
00:46:00,720 --> 00:46:03,720
like, no, no, no, no, no.
And she went automatically into

766
00:46:03,720 --> 00:46:05,960
the argument.
And I was like, see, see.

767
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:10,600
Oh, I wish I could have been
there for that.

768
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:12,960
It was, it was, it was
hilarious.

769
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:15,480
I wish I could have been there
for that.

770
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:18,680
OK, so I have a question since
you're talking about that show,

771
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:22,720
because there was another show
called Dark Matter that came out

772
00:46:22,720 --> 00:46:26,400
like years ago.
That's not the same show is it?

773
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,360
The same show 2.
Two.

774
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:30,600
No, it's two different, 2
totally different, 2 completely

775
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:31,640
different.
OK.

776
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:33,800
Yeah, OK.
It was on sci-fi, wasn't it?

777
00:46:35,240 --> 00:46:36,240
Yeah.
Yeah, I remember that.

778
00:46:36,240 --> 00:46:40,400
Yeah.
Yeah, OK, OK, so I've because I

779
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:44,400
keep hearing people talk about
dark matter, but I haven't done

780
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,320
a lot of sci-fi lately.
Mostly everything that I've been

781
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,880
watching is like either
superhero or fantasy stuff.

782
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,360
So I kind of need to get back
into my sci-fi groove,

783
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,880
especially if we're going to
Stellarfest next year, which is

784
00:46:56,160 --> 00:47:01,480
the new science fiction
convention that the founders of

785
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:05,400
Conjuration are doing in April.
So I guess I need to get on my

786
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:10,760
my sci-fi.
Yeah, and and you know, dark

787
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:15,080
matter is moving into that.
There's a a comeback of hard

788
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:20,680
science fiction shows, hard
sci-fi shows are are real like 3

789
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:26,000
body problem.
You know what's another one

790
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:30,040
that's out as hard as sci-fi?
SO3 body.

791
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:36,640
Oh, a show we didn't do.
Oh, Beacon 23 is another one.

792
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:41,560
OK, so yeah, the the those hard
sci-fi is making a comeback.

793
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:45,800
Oh, and constellation.
Yeah, those, those even though

794
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:47,200
you know people.
Talk about that.

795
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:52,920
Well, yeah, yeah, I guess Silo
would be, yeah.

796
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:56,120
And Silo Beacon 23 are written
by the same author.

797
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:59,720
So OK, that that should tell you
if you watch Silo, but it tells

798
00:47:59,720 --> 00:48:01,280
you a lot about.
Yeah, yeah, OK.

799
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:05,880
OK, which is?
Hello dark matter is on apple

800
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,080
too.
Y'all are missing foundation

801
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:10,920
which is never hard sci-fi show.
Y'all are missing all the good

802
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,440
stuff.
I look, I look.

803
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:18,600
Enough streaming platforms like.
Look, we we got the free trial.

804
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:20,960
We watched all of Ted Lasso.
I'm good.

805
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:25,600
I ain't gonna do all that good.
OK.

806
00:48:25,720 --> 00:48:28,400
All the good hard sci-fi is on
Apple.

807
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:32,680
It's a beacon. 23 is on MGM Plus
right?

808
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:36,120
Anyway, it's easy either, but.
Yeah, MGM had a OK, you know

809
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:37,160
what?
There's there's too much,

810
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:42,200
there's too many streaming.
From is on MGM plus too.

811
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:44,840
And yeah, From is on MGM plus
too.

812
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:47,960
And you should people should
watch from the things they know.

813
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:49,200
I.
Don't think I I don't think I

814
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:53,600
could do from it looks good, but
I'm just like, no, this is like

815
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:55,480
I watch.
I watch part of the.

816
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:58,480
Everything.
Like I'm not going to get stuck

817
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:03,880
in no town that I can't leave.
And no, no, after dark.

818
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:07,280
I don't even only I'm still, I'm
still recently scared to the

819
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,280
dark at 53.
I'm not trying to get somewhere

820
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:12,080
where I can't go outside and
leave and walk out.

821
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:16,240
Like, no, I mean, I'm not doing
no, you going to get I'm not.

822
00:49:16,240 --> 00:49:18,760
I'm not going to have my life
have my light bill go sky high

823
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:21,440
because I got to leave lights on
because I watch a damn TV show.

824
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,480
It's like we're not doing that.
I'm not doing that.

825
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:29,000
Michelle loves the show.
She loved it so much she had to

826
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:32,840
track down where the track is
opposed to me on and it's horror

827
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:40,040
track.
But yeah, she she had to because

828
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:43,280
she's trying to find it.
There's no panels on it.

829
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:45,200
It's no horror track.
Just sitting there with no

830
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:49,240
panels.
But you know, there are a lot of

831
00:49:49,240 --> 00:49:51,600
PE came up on two panels I was
on.

832
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:55,600
It came up on Beacon 23 and it
came up on one other panel I was

833
00:49:55,600 --> 00:50:00,080
on where they talked about from.
So there's definitely interest

834
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:01,800
in the show.
People watch the show.

835
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:05,960
It's just that, you know, and
it's kind of hard because like

836
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:10,040
even for the Beacon 23 panel I
was on, it was only two audience

837
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:12,880
members.
And that's the hard thing about

838
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:19,280
doing panels on the American
South eye track is just people

839
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:23,280
just aren't really watching a
lot of those shows like

840
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:24,680
Constellation.
We were going to do a

841
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:27,440
Constellation panel, but they
had to cancel it because they

842
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:31,280
want enough panelists for it.
OK, OK.

843
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:35,040
And the Three Body Problem was
packed, so it was all over the

844
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:37,720
place, people all over the place
and said you wouldn't think

845
00:50:37,720 --> 00:50:40,600
anyone would watch The Three
Body Problem but I but that was

846
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:43,280
that panel.
You, you guys were saying there

847
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:46,200
were a lot of book readers for
that particular panel, right?

848
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:49,240
Yeah, yeah, there are a lot of
people who read the book and

849
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:53,760
then there were a lot of people
who watched the Was it Chinese

850
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:57,880
show.
Yeah, the show is a that show is

851
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:00,200
30 episodes.
There are a lot of people who

852
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:04,360
'cause that's on Prime as well.
There are people that watched

853
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:08,080
that version, came to the panel.
So the people watched that

854
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:11,400
version, people read the book
and people watch the show.

855
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:13,080
So it was a packed house for
that panel.

856
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:17,120
OK, OK, so let's talk about some
of the other.

857
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:20,240
So what were your favorites?
Well, they might do your

858
00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:23,440
favorites.
Is this your favorite?

859
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:26,480
Yeah, he he's.
Yeah, I mean, I only went to I

860
00:51:26,720 --> 00:51:30,400
like, like I said, I only went
to, I went to Hanukkah's panel

861
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:35,720
and I went to another 1.
And in the American sci-fi

862
00:51:35,720 --> 00:51:38,640
track, which is slowly, slowly
becoming my favorite track

863
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:41,000
because there's like almost no
rules.

864
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:44,240
It's like it's total anarchy and
it's fucking, it's fucking

865
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:48,840
awesome.
But I mean, I, I didn't have

866
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:51,080
time.
I, I just, there was so much

867
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:56,080
stuff I had to do and it's like
I 'cause I wanted to go, I

868
00:51:56,080 --> 00:52:00,000
wanted to go to your, your
diversity panel that you did on

869
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:02,360
your Star Wars diversity panel,
but I didn't have time.

870
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:05,120
I.
Heard, I heard it was really

871
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:06,560
good.
I, I wanted to go, 'cause Nick,

872
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:08,560
Nick said he went.
He was, it was actually, it was

873
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:12,080
really good.
Yeah, that's, that's one of the

874
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:16,760
reasons why I do try to at least
record some of the panels like

875
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:21,360
the ones that I do, because I
know that there are panels that

876
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:24,200
you guys are interested in that
you may not be able to get to

877
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:27,480
because you're either on panels
at the same time or going to

878
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:30,800
panels.
I think usually we get a chance

879
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:33,800
to go to each other's panels, at
least two or three of them.

880
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:37,840
And I think this year we were
all like on panels at the same

881
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:43,120
time.
So I, I did, I was able to get a

882
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:48,600
recording of one of Anthony's
panels they did over on the high

883
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:51,800
fantasy track.
They did a panel about the

884
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:55,400
people of the ideal from the
Wheel of Time series.

885
00:52:55,760 --> 00:53:00,400
So that was a very interesting
panel because even though we

886
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:05,080
have not yet, and I'm stressing
yet discussed Wheel of Time

887
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:08,080
season 2.
We have been introduced to the

888
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:12,360
IEO in that season and it
they're very interesting people,

889
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:15,600
but of course, not being a book
reader, I don't know much about

890
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:17,960
them.
So listening to you guys talk

891
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:21,960
about them, I was like, I feel
like I need to be taking notes

892
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:25,600
and doing research because you
guys were talking about like the

893
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:30,800
different groups within the IEO
and I was like, oh, I feel I.

894
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:34,040
Know you got I spoiled you.
No, it's.

895
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:37,240
It's fine.
Yeah, but I knew I would be when

896
00:53:37,240 --> 00:53:40,320
when I went to that panel.
So, but I was like, I got to get

897
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:44,320
to, you know, my whole thing
was, so Mike did 11 panels.

898
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:46,960
I think you were on what, eight
or five?

899
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:51,360
You were on 8.
I did I think 14.

900
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:55,720
And over the course of the
weekend, that's a lot of that's

901
00:53:55,720 --> 00:53:58,480
a lot of panels.
But we aren't able to get to

902
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:00,440
each other's panels because a
lot of our panels were at the

903
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:03,480
same time.
So my thing was I was trying to

904
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:08,600
at least get to one of each of
y'all's panels so that, you

905
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:11,600
know, I was like, OK, you know,
we got to support each other.

906
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:14,880
And just like you guys came to
my panels and we were just kind

907
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:19,280
of all over the place.
But I really wanted to do.

908
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:23,480
I think you were on the panel
earlier that morning for the

909
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:27,600
Night of the Seven Kingdoms for
Game of Thrones.

910
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,840
Yeah, I was not getting up at
10:00 that morning.

911
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:33,240
I just couldn't do it.
So I was like, no, I just go to

912
00:54:33,240 --> 00:54:36,680
one of his other panels.
And because Saturday was a slow

913
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:39,440
day for me, I only did three
panels and all of my panels were

914
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:43,080
in the evening.
So I had a little wiggle room

915
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:45,520
during, during the daytime.
So I was like, OK, I'm I'm

916
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:49,160
gonna, I'm gonna go do this.
And then your panel, I think

917
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:52,680
your IE panel was, was it that
afternoon or that night?

918
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:57,120
It was one.
Of those that I'm gone, it was

919
00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:58,440
one of those.
It was, yeah.

920
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:00,680
It was like, I think it was a
230.

921
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:01,600
Yeah.
Yeah.

922
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:04,320
All five of my panels were
Saturday.

923
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:09,400
So my Saturday was blown 5 and
they were back-to-back to

924
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:12,160
back-to-back.
That's how my Sunday was to

925
00:55:12,720 --> 00:55:14,120
back.
That's how my Sunday was.

926
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:20,800
But Apollo is trying to can can
you not mess with my camera

927
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:22,040
please?
Thank you.

928
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:29,240
But I want to talk about your
Acolyte panel, Anthony, how did

929
00:55:29,240 --> 00:55:32,400
that go?
And I know we haven't, we

930
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:34,280
haven't done Acolyte yet.
I have.

931
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:39,120
I actually have not watched it,
but I know that Anthony, Mike

932
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:42,280
and I think Lori are probably
going to talk about it and we'll

933
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:45,240
probably put out that show
sometime either this month or

934
00:55:45,240 --> 00:55:48,720
next month.
But you had a little trepidation

935
00:55:48,720 --> 00:55:53,320
going into that one, didn't you?
Yeah, I was a little worried

936
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:57,400
about the panel because you
know, there's a lot of stuff

937
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:01,560
going on about the act like you
know, it it there's there's a

938
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:08,800
lot of online chatter, a lot of
Youtubers and all of X formerly

939
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:10,840
known as Twitter.
I still.

940
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:12,320
Probably Twitter.
It's not X.

941
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:18,600
And so I was a little worried
because the one thing you don't

942
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:22,320
want to do as a panelist is you
really don't want to have the

943
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:30,600
crowd turn on you, you know, and
there's, you know, and we, we

944
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:34,480
had this idea that we were not
going to be negative because

945
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:36,920
it's real easy to be negative
about the show.

946
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:41,360
The show does have some the show
had problems.

947
00:56:41,720 --> 00:56:43,280
There's there's sure has a lot
of problems.

948
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:47,880
And I was worried that if we
only talked about the positive,

949
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:52,080
anyone who had negative things
to say about it would go even

950
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:54,160
further negative and get up and
say anything.

951
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:57,480
Right.
OK, but but that wasn't the

952
00:56:57,480 --> 00:57:00,360
case.
You know, we were able to have a

953
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:02,000
little bit of criticism up
there.

954
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:06,600
It wasn't completely, you know,
totally yay act like.

955
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:10,720
And there was some people in the
audience who had issues and we

956
00:57:10,720 --> 00:57:14,280
talked about it.
The the biggest thing, my

957
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:19,080
biggest take away was the huge
amount of support.

958
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:22,440
Like there were a lot of people
who came to that panel and there

959
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:23,920
are a lot of people that like
the show.

960
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:28,360
It's just unfortunate that, you
know, that's not enough people

961
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:30,840
to carry the show to keep it
from being cancelled, right.

962
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:35,840
But it's obviously there's a,
there's a small, relatively

963
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:38,840
speaking, a small group of
people that really like the

964
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:42,560
show.
OK, you know, I'm not in that

965
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:49,320
group of people, but I didn't, I
didn't, I got challenged a

966
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:52,680
couple of times for some of the
things I said, but it wasn't as

967
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:55,400
bad as I thought it would be.
OK.

968
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:57,480
I did say some good things.
There's some good things about

969
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:01,640
the show, like the last the one
of the last fight lightsaber

970
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:04,080
battles is really choreographed
really well.

971
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:10,680
Yeah, that's so I did say
something good about it.

972
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:13,120
You know, I I did say something
good about it.

973
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:19,800
They had a diverse cast which is
which is always good many the

974
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:23,800
1st.
Live action first live action

975
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:26,360
Bleeding of a kyber crystal.
I mean, come on, you had to be

976
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:34,760
excited about that, I'm saying.
The look on Anthony's face.

977
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:37,080
You know what?
You know what?

978
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:41,040
Whatever.
Anyway, I decorized.

979
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:45,520
Yeah, we.
So, so there's, there's, there's

980
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:48,480
a, there's a dish you can make
something that you make a soup

981
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:50,040
and the soup is really, really
good.

982
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:55,120
Like this one time I had like
some real good clam chowder.

983
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:57,920
Like it was amazing cooking on
the stove.

984
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:00,840
I was tasting it and I was like
all I just need is a little bit

985
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:04,480
of pepper.
So I turned the pepper shaker

986
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:07,480
and someone had loosened the top
and dumped all the pepper into

987
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:08,040
it.
Yeah.

988
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:10,960
OK.
OK, OK.

989
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:17,160
So bleeding a kyber crystal?
I'm supposed to like that after

990
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:18,320
that?
Was one that was one of my

991
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:20,600
favorite scenes.
I thought you would appreciate

992
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:21,600
it.
Fine.

993
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:23,360
You know what?
I'm not.

994
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:23,920
I'm not.
We're not.

995
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:26,440
Going to get into that debate
now y'all.

996
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:27,320
I'm.
Not even going anyway.

997
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:29,200
For when we were.
I'm not even going to.

998
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:33,240
Try it.
Long story short, the panel was

999
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:37,640
was fun.
We had some good dialogue, and

1000
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:40,760
like I said, I was really,
really amazed at the amount of

1001
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:44,400
positive support.
And sometimes it's to be

1002
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:48,840
expected from Star Wars fans,
which is what I think a lot that

1003
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:51,000
gets lost.
We'll talk about this when Mike

1004
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:53,320
and I talk about back.
Like it kind of got lost in the

1005
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:57,360
shuffle, but it was clear there
are people that like the show,

1006
00:59:57,360 --> 00:59:58,840
they liked a lot of things about
it.

1007
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:01,720
And it's not just, and it was
mostly Star Wars fans.

1008
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:05,120
So you know, it was that.
But you know, all my

1009
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:10,000
trepidation, you know, it was, I
was worried for no reason turns

1010
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:12,160
out.
And I was really, really worried

1011
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:15,000
that I was going to say
something get slim like I did

1012
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:18,360
last year when I said I didn't
care for Rogue One.

1013
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:22,920
And you would have thought I
scanned the cat alive in front

1014
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:26,200
of 100,000 people.
I think they all started to

1015
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:30,160
riot.
So, you know, I was afraid that

1016
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:31,320
would.
Happen this year.

1017
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:34,360
Yeah, I didn't have that
experience this year.

1018
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:36,640
Now make sure you tell them.
I don't know who that person was

1019
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:40,640
to say they did like Rogue One.
I don't know who that guy was.

1020
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:45,520
I don't.
I had a similar experience on

1021
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:50,200
one of my panels because I got
to talk about Umbrella Academy

1022
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:54,960
Season 4, the final season.
I don't know if you guys have

1023
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:55,880
watched.
How did that go?

1024
01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:58,760
Not yet.
Yeah, I did.

1025
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:03,760
So.
The last last four episodes were

1026
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:05,920
trash.
Yes.

1027
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:11,280
And we, we did discuss that.
We didn't quite go the let's not

1028
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:17,040
go negative because I think the
general consensus there was a

1029
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:20,520
lot of people agreed that the
fourth season was not that

1030
01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:24,000
great.
There were a lot of problems.

1031
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:28,640
There were some like it was kind
of convoluted.

1032
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:31,560
It was like, what are we
supposed to be doing here?

1033
01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:32,920
What are we supposed to be
following?

1034
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:35,160
Why are we supposed to care
about what happens to this

1035
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:41,120
character and why is she here?
And so we we had some good

1036
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:46,200
discussions with it.
There were a few fun things

1037
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:50,520
because we did talk about the
things that we liked in the

1038
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:52,400
season.
So, you know, a lot of people

1039
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:54,960
like the fact that Luther, you
know what?

1040
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:58,080
I was one of the people I, I was
like, I just like the fact that

1041
01:01:58,080 --> 01:02:01,680
Luther was just happy.
Like Luther didn't have any

1042
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:05,600
burdens placed on him.
He was, he was going around

1043
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:10,800
doing his little strip club job
dancing with no rhythm and he

1044
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:14,560
was happy about it.
You know, people loved the

1045
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:17,440
relationship between Claire and
Klaus.

1046
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:20,360
That was like one of the sweet
moments.

1047
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:25,600
People love the fact that Victor
basically told Allison was like,

1048
01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:28,440
OK, yeah, I know you fucked up.
We ain't got to be friends.

1049
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:31,120
I'm good.
You know?

1050
01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:34,440
So there was some, there were a
few good things.

1051
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:39,520
But I think, I think the room
was kind of, I don't want to

1052
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:45,160
necessarily say split, but there
were some strong feelings about

1053
01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:51,720
the whole 5 Lila Diego situation
that was going on there.

1054
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:57,000
So we we did talk that out.
But I think overall, pretty much

1055
01:02:57,120 --> 01:03:00,360
everybody was like, we don't
know what they were doing.

1056
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:03,880
Like what was the whole point?
You you got rid of?

1057
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:11,240
Well, you know, you you get rid
of of the Marigold just for the

1058
01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:13,520
Marigold to show back up at the
end.

1059
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:16,240
It was just it, it was really
weird.

1060
01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:20,400
But you know, that was one of
those panels where I thought

1061
01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:25,920
people would probably be more
positive about the show and

1062
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:28,440
everybody was pretty much like
it was trash.

1063
01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:37,960
What the hell did we?
So I mean, it's, it's just, it's

1064
01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:40,760
one of those things where we we
waited two years.

1065
01:03:41,080 --> 01:03:43,880
Was it 2 years or three?
I think 2 years.

1066
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:45,920
But it's like this is what we.
Waited two years.

1067
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:54,480
OK, but but I got to talk about
some other really cool stuff

1068
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:56,560
too.
Like I said, I did a a Walking

1069
01:03:56,560 --> 01:03:59,440
Dead panel.
I did a Last of Us panel where

1070
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:02,800
we talked about the show and the
video games and Oh my goodness,

1071
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:07,200
I did not like, I knew that this
game had a following, but there

1072
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:10,680
are some really, really
passionate fans about this game.

1073
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:14,320
And I'm like y'all, I'm sitting
there on the table like y'all

1074
01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:17,440
are making me want to play this
game and I don't have the time

1075
01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:23,320
in my life to do this but.
Their show is why I have APS 5

1076
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:26,520
now.
And then I if.

1077
01:04:26,520 --> 01:04:28,560
Somebody wanted to play The Last
of Us.

1078
01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:33,080
Yeah, yeah, they, they've,
they've almost got me, but I, I

1079
01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:34,960
don't have the time.
I I can't do it.

1080
01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:40,160
But we also did a Walking Dead
versus The Last of Us, you know,

1081
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:41,560
talking about what that what?
They.

1082
01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:45,240
Yeah, it was.
It was a really good panel.

1083
01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:50,680
Those panels were were packed
and we talked about everything.

1084
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:53,760
We talked about the graphic
novel for The Walking Dead.

1085
01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:56,120
We talked about the video games
for The Last of Us.

1086
01:04:56,120 --> 01:04:59,240
We talked about the shows and
how they how they did things

1087
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:01,480
differently.
And so basically that was also

1088
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:04,080
one of those where it's like we
list the pros and we talked

1089
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:06,120
about it.
We list the cons and we talked

1090
01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:08,120
about it.
And then everybody gets to vote

1091
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:13,400
which one they think did better.
And the overall consensus was

1092
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:18,560
that The Last of Us is telling
the story better.

1093
01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:20,920
But a lot of people also admit
it.

1094
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:27,400
We're going on one season versus
11 and several spin offs.

1095
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:30,840
Like will they still be
consistent if they go that long,

1096
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:32,720
which we are?
I think, I think we already know

1097
01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:34,720
The Last of Us is not going to
go that long.

1098
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:40,760
So because I think the third
season is supposed to be the

1099
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:45,400
final, but it was a really good
conversation.

1100
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:51,760
And yeah, we we, we have fun
with those.

1101
01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:54,520
Mike, what about you?
What was your favorite panel to

1102
01:05:54,520 --> 01:06:01,720
talk about?
I had a lot of them like I

1103
01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:04,520
finally got to talk about my
favorite show, Warehouse 13.

1104
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:09,080
That that one, that panel was
really good.

1105
01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:12,320
There was a guy on the panel
that actually brought that had

1106
01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:17,240
like a collection of actual used
props from the show.

1107
01:06:17,640 --> 01:06:19,960
So he was like passing those
around was really cool.

1108
01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:24,360
I loved our Deadpool Wolverine
panel.

1109
01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:29,160
It was packed.
It was like packed wall to wall

1110
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:32,000
and that was that was a lot of
fun.

1111
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:36,240
I I did a Wolverine panel and I
got ambushed because he went.

1112
01:06:36,520 --> 01:06:39,160
To that one.
It's like everybody was like,

1113
01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:41,160
man, I hate Wolverine.
They got to me like Mike, what

1114
01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:44,560
do you think?
I was like, I feel like I got

1115
01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:47,920
kind of ambushed here.
I actually like Wolverine the

1116
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:51,520
way they did.
Yeah, that was like The

1117
01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:53,040
Wolverine hater up there in
there.

1118
01:06:53,080 --> 01:06:54,760
Like, yeah, they were.
Haters.

1119
01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:57,440
I was like, what the fuck?
This is like the opposite of

1120
01:06:57,440 --> 01:07:00,280
last year when I went to the
Nevers, when I couldn't.

1121
01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:04,120
Talk about John.
Talk about when we shall not be

1122
01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:06,760
named.
I got I got jumped.

1123
01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:09,240
I was like, what the what is
wrong with you people?

1124
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:12,480
I was like, he's not bad.
He is actually good.

1125
01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:14,360
But that panel actually turned
out to be a pretty good

1126
01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:16,480
discussion about it.
I really like that.

1127
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:18,640
Why?
Is there so much Wolverine hate?

1128
01:07:19,560 --> 01:07:22,600
Explain this to me.
I think, I think, I think they

1129
01:07:22,640 --> 01:07:26,040
it felt like people sometimes
feel like we're overrated.

1130
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:31,920
That he get people just like.
Laurie said something like that

1131
01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:35,640
in our X-Men 97 discussion.
Yes, she said that Wolverine is

1132
01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:39,960
one of those characters that
gets overused, so OK.

1133
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:44,520
Yeah, overrated, Overused.
There was a point when he was in

1134
01:07:44,520 --> 01:07:46,880
everybody's books.
Yeah, yeah.

1135
01:07:47,160 --> 01:07:50,560
But I mean, I mean, Hugh Jackman
can't help it that he played the

1136
01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:53,720
character very well.
I mean, it's like and they can't

1137
01:07:53,720 --> 01:07:56,680
help that the character was
shown pretty well in the X-Men

1138
01:07:56,680 --> 01:07:58,720
cartoon.
It's like people like the

1139
01:07:58,720 --> 01:08:00,800
character.
It's just like bat stands.

1140
01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:05,560
I mean bat fans of Batman, it's
like they love Batman.

1141
01:08:05,560 --> 01:08:09,920
So it's like, I mean, I don't
know, I didn't get it, but I was

1142
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:13,720
actually another panel that I
thought that actually enjoyed

1143
01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:18,760
that didn't think I was going to
enjoy was double nut that that I

1144
01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:23,399
think I was going to enjoy as
much was the the John

1145
01:08:23,399 --> 01:08:25,960
Constantine panel, because I
didn't know a lot about him.

1146
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:30,120
And that actually turned out to
be a very good discussion.

1147
01:08:30,359 --> 01:08:33,120
Yes, it did.
I I did go to that one as well.

1148
01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:35,680
Yeah, yeah.
I was actually pleasantly

1149
01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:37,560
surprised to do that.
Shout to Ally.

1150
01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:39,000
Got to be on panel with her
again.

1151
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:41,040
She was on, I mean, Bethany.
Shout to Bethany.

1152
01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:45,040
Bethany is awesome.
Yeah, I was on panel.

1153
01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:46,160
I.
Was a good panel.

1154
01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:49,479
That one and the family dynamics
one that we were on together was

1155
01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:52,319
good too.
That's another one that could

1156
01:08:52,319 --> 01:08:55,200
have gone a little bit longer.
You know, anytime we're talking

1157
01:08:55,200 --> 01:09:00,600
about fictional family.
You're obsession with these long

1158
01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:04,479
ass panels.
I'm just saying because a lot

1159
01:09:04,479 --> 01:09:09,240
because what happens is some of
these panels, when we get done

1160
01:09:09,240 --> 01:09:11,680
with them, people come up to us
after the.

1161
01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:13,920
Panel.
And they want to continue the

1162
01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:16,279
discussion.
That is not a bad thing because

1163
01:09:16,279 --> 01:09:20,640
that means that what you had to
say was important to someone and

1164
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:27,000
the topic was interesting.
So for some of these things, but

1165
01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:28,720
I mean, we're talking family
dynamics.

1166
01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:32,560
And I mean, it's not too, it's
not too different from what we

1167
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:36,439
do at conjuration when we're
talking about others know worse

1168
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:41,240
and mothers aren't better.
So it, it, it basically was like

1169
01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:44,600
that, but we really started
talking about a lot of the

1170
01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:50,359
positives and, you know,
fictional families and what,

1171
01:09:50,439 --> 01:09:54,200
what sing, especially single
parents and fictional families

1172
01:09:54,200 --> 01:09:57,720
like what they do, right?
And so that was a lot of fun

1173
01:09:57,720 --> 01:10:01,680
because we, a lot of times,
especially with our panels, we

1174
01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:06,200
do focus on the negative because
it has such an impact on the

1175
01:10:06,200 --> 01:10:09,040
characters that we're, you know,
that we follow that we're

1176
01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:11,240
talking about.
So we, we talked about whether

1177
01:10:11,240 --> 01:10:13,640
or not that impacts them in a
positive or negative way.

1178
01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:17,080
So this particular panel was
talking about the positive

1179
01:10:17,080 --> 01:10:18,840
aspect.
It was a lot of fun.

1180
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:22,320
It was a lot of fun and you
know.

1181
01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:26,440
Yeah, I like actually like, I
mean, the Gen.

1182
01:10:26,440 --> 01:10:29,880
V discussion was good.
The Kingpin when I did Monday on

1183
01:10:30,160 --> 01:10:34,080
like Monday was like one of my
better, better days of better

1184
01:10:34,080 --> 01:10:36,600
days of panels because I mean, I
love the two that I did.

1185
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:38,880
I love the one you did.
I mean it.

1186
01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:43,400
I was like, I was just like,
damn, it's the last day because

1187
01:10:44,160 --> 01:10:45,760
the Deadpool war was pre packed
out.

1188
01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:50,480
But yeah, I I mean, I really
can't complain about any of

1189
01:10:50,480 --> 01:10:54,760
these, any of the ones I did.
I mean that I'm I'm just blessed

1190
01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:56,760
to be be asked to be on them.
So.

1191
01:10:57,600 --> 01:11:03,840
Yeah. 11 panel that I enjoy
being on was the Diversity in

1192
01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:07,640
Star Wars panel.
Yeah, because, you know,

1193
01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:10,480
whenever we do any diversity.
Panel.

1194
01:11:10,480 --> 01:11:15,960
Discussion Diversity, it, it, it
doesn't, it's always a really

1195
01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:21,720
good conversation and, and, and
sometimes that's usually all we

1196
01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:23,480
need.
Sometimes the fandoms need to

1197
01:11:23,480 --> 01:11:28,360
sit down and have a conversation
about about diversity and then

1198
01:11:28,360 --> 01:11:32,480
how everything is being impacted
because a lot of people don't

1199
01:11:32,480 --> 01:11:38,000
sometimes see that it's not just
what you see on screen is all

1200
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:40,160
the things that happened behind
the scenes.

1201
01:11:40,520 --> 01:11:44,840
You know, the casting directors,
the studio heads and executives

1202
01:11:44,840 --> 01:11:49,120
and producers, all those people
are the ones that influence

1203
01:11:49,520 --> 01:11:52,120
everything.
And one of the things I talked

1204
01:11:52,120 --> 01:11:56,200
about was we also have to talk
about the diversity.

1205
01:11:56,240 --> 01:11:59,720
For example, that first season
of The Mandalorian, the

1206
01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:04,200
directors, it was a diverse set
of directors on the show.

1207
01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:07,160
They didn't have the same.
Well, there were some directors,

1208
01:12:07,160 --> 01:12:10,200
there were a couple of episodes,
but for the most part, it was a

1209
01:12:10,200 --> 01:12:13,480
diverse group of directors.
And sometimes that's what you

1210
01:12:13,480 --> 01:12:18,520
need to have, have a voice or a
vision or even someone to say,

1211
01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:19,920
yeah, we're going to do it this
way.

1212
01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:23,680
But you know, the industry has
to change.

1213
01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:27,560
It just can't be, I don't want
to throw act like under the bus.

1214
01:12:27,560 --> 01:12:30,640
You just can't throw a diverse
group of people on the screen

1215
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:34,320
and say we're diverse.
It doesn't really work that way.

1216
01:12:34,760 --> 01:12:37,040
You got you got to have it at
the top.

1217
01:12:37,280 --> 01:12:40,080
It's got to start.
We talked about, you know, you

1218
01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:41,880
got to have that one person in
the room.

1219
01:12:41,880 --> 01:12:44,720
Like with that Dove commercial,
you got to have someone that's

1220
01:12:44,720 --> 01:12:48,040
really black.
You may not want to have a black

1221
01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:51,160
person wash themselves with Dove
soap and turn white.

1222
01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:54,320
I don't think that's going to go
well, you know, I mean you

1223
01:12:54,320 --> 01:12:55,280
always.
Got to have.

1224
01:12:55,480 --> 01:12:59,360
Somebody, somebody in the room
to say that's not going to work.

1225
01:12:59,920 --> 01:13:02,600
Yeah, you, you.
And that's what's missing.

1226
01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:07,480
We don't have enough of it.
The only thing that that I kind

1227
01:13:07,480 --> 01:13:12,320
of was taken aback, taken aback
by, and I hope she's not

1228
01:13:12,320 --> 01:13:16,320
listening, but we were talking
about corporations.

1229
01:13:17,240 --> 01:13:20,320
The biggest part of the
conversation was in smaller

1230
01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:25,120
media, you can have diversity.
The Disney companies, like they

1231
01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:28,200
don't care about that.
The comic books, we had an

1232
01:13:28,200 --> 01:13:31,000
author on stage and she was
like, people would ask her, you

1233
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:36,120
know, we really need to have
some, you know, by characters

1234
01:13:36,120 --> 01:13:39,320
and some pan characters.
And she's like, that's what I

1235
01:13:39,320 --> 01:13:42,560
write in my Star Wars books.
Like she writes Star Wars books

1236
01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:44,360
and she has those kinds of
characters in her books.

1237
01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:47,520
So people want to see these
things, but it's there.

1238
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:51,520
It's just that the industry only
lets you do it in the comic

1239
01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:55,800
books and the video games.
That's small compared to the

1240
01:13:55,800 --> 01:14:00,520
millions and millions of people
that watch the TV or watch the

1241
01:14:00,520 --> 01:14:03,240
movies.
The amount of money they make in

1242
01:14:03,240 --> 01:14:07,240
the television and movies is
astronomical compared to comic

1243
01:14:07,240 --> 01:14:09,160
books.
So yeah, you can have a comic

1244
01:14:09,160 --> 01:14:15,840
book with Doctor Aphra, who's a
gay black woman in the Star Wars

1245
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:19,440
comic book or a novel.
You can have that because they

1246
01:14:19,440 --> 01:14:22,640
don't care about that.
But what we need for them to do

1247
01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:25,720
is to start caring about the
bigger picture.

1248
01:14:25,720 --> 01:14:29,680
And that's why the failure of
the Acolyte is so devastating,

1249
01:14:30,080 --> 01:14:33,600
because they're going to be
like, we gave it to you, we gave

1250
01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:36,560
it exactly what you want, and
nobody watched it.

1251
01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:40,720
You know, nobody watched it.
And we can put the blame on

1252
01:14:40,720 --> 01:14:45,720
whoever or whatever caused it.
All Disney knows is that it was

1253
01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:49,520
a failure.
And it was in an attempt to have

1254
01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:53,680
a bunch of diverse people, a
diverse cast in the show and

1255
01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:57,400
nobody wanted to watch it.
And the same thing happened to

1256
01:14:57,400 --> 01:14:58,920
Willow.
We did the same thing with

1257
01:14:58,920 --> 01:15:01,160
Willow.
Nobody wanted to watch it.

1258
01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:03,520
It was so bad they pulled it off
Disney Plus.

1259
01:15:04,040 --> 01:15:07,200
So, you know, we do still need
to have these conversations so

1260
01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:10,000
people can understand what's
really happening.

1261
01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:13,680
You know what, what are we
really looking at when we talk

1262
01:15:13,680 --> 01:15:15,400
about this?
And we talk about this non

1263
01:15:15,400 --> 01:15:21,240
diversity panels, what we do
them at Conjuration or yeah,

1264
01:15:21,240 --> 01:15:25,200
it's it's it's the same thing.
You know, Anyway, it was a

1265
01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:26,480
really good panel.
It was a really good

1266
01:15:26,480 --> 01:15:28,840
conversation.
Oh, the lady, she was from

1267
01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:30,280
Disney.
She used to be.

1268
01:15:30,280 --> 01:15:33,320
She worked at the Disney the
Galactic Hotel.

1269
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:34,920
Oh.
OK.

1270
01:15:36,360 --> 01:15:39,080
And the reason why I brought it
up was she talked about because

1271
01:15:39,080 --> 01:15:44,200
we had I, I, I pretty much went
in on the corporation,

1272
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:48,640
especially Disney.
And she got up and she was like,

1273
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:53,040
yeah, I, I was the Hostess at
the, at the Galactic Hotel.

1274
01:15:53,400 --> 01:15:56,360
And, you know, Disney really,
really tried, you know, we had a

1275
01:15:56,360 --> 01:15:59,560
diverse cast the cruise, because
it's like a cruise ship.

1276
01:15:59,560 --> 01:16:02,200
The cruise director was the
black woman.

1277
01:16:02,200 --> 01:16:04,840
And she just listed all these,
you know, and, and the

1278
01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:07,360
characters always stayed
minorities or whatever.

1279
01:16:07,920 --> 01:16:10,280
I really wanted to say, well,
that kind of proves my point.

1280
01:16:11,480 --> 01:16:13,720
I mean, it's like they have 3000
guests.

1281
01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:18,160
Yeah.
And you only have 3000 guests at

1282
01:16:18,160 --> 01:16:23,240
most and on this thing for a
week, and it's still small

1283
01:16:23,240 --> 01:16:27,280
potatoes as compared to the
millions of people that watch

1284
01:16:27,280 --> 01:16:30,760
the shows and the millions of
people that go to the movies.

1285
01:16:31,120 --> 01:16:34,720
You're just talking about a
small group of elite people that

1286
01:16:34,880 --> 01:16:38,880
in the the only thing they care
about is them paying money to go

1287
01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:40,800
to the hotel.
They don't care about the

1288
01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:43,080
diversity of the cast.
That's not important to them.

1289
01:16:43,720 --> 01:16:47,760
So, yeah, you can have a diverse
cast in the Galactic Hotel

1290
01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:51,560
because nobody cares.
You can have a diverse cast in

1291
01:16:51,560 --> 01:16:55,560
the in the park because it's in
the grand scheme of things, the

1292
01:16:55,560 --> 01:16:58,160
small potatoes.
That's not what we're focused

1293
01:16:58,160 --> 01:17:00,120
now.
We're talking about focusing on

1294
01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:05,120
getting diversity on the TV
shows and in the movies where it

1295
01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:09,440
reaches more people, where we
want to see ourselves in those

1296
01:17:09,440 --> 01:17:12,080
things.
Video games is cool, but it's

1297
01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:15,880
still a video game and it's
still well on that because now

1298
01:17:15,880 --> 01:17:20,440
video games is reaching just as
many people as the movies are

1299
01:17:21,160 --> 01:17:25,040
sometimes so and making just as
much money as movies.

1300
01:17:25,520 --> 01:17:28,720
But even there they're starting
to pull back because the Star

1301
01:17:28,720 --> 01:17:32,280
Wars game had the white male
character as the main character,

1302
01:17:33,080 --> 01:17:36,600
you know, and so you know, and
that them, that's them falling

1303
01:17:36,600 --> 01:17:38,480
the track and the and the
sideline.

1304
01:17:38,480 --> 01:17:42,560
I didn't get to bring this up,
but I remember reading somewhere

1305
01:17:42,560 --> 01:17:48,080
that the people who created Star
Jedi Survivor originally wanted

1306
01:17:48,120 --> 01:17:52,760
Cal Kisses to be a minority and
the studio told them Lucas Arts

1307
01:17:52,760 --> 01:17:57,480
told them no, you can't do it
because they already had several

1308
01:17:57,480 --> 01:18:01,560
other minority characters for
the game or or plan to be in the

1309
01:18:01,560 --> 01:18:03,000
game.
They're like no, you can't make

1310
01:18:03,000 --> 01:18:07,680
the main character minority and
and those are the kinds of

1311
01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:11,040
things that needs to change.
But anyway, it was a great

1312
01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:12,440
conversation.
OK.

1313
01:18:12,880 --> 01:18:14,640
But that was my favorite panel
to be on.

1314
01:18:15,480 --> 01:18:21,760
We had a similar conversation
about morals and ethics on the

1315
01:18:21,760 --> 01:18:25,880
Orphan Black Echoes panel.
That one was an interesting one

1316
01:18:25,880 --> 01:18:30,120
because if you're familiar with
Orphan Black, the original

1317
01:18:30,120 --> 01:18:35,400
series deals with the
unauthorized making of clones

1318
01:18:35,480 --> 01:18:37,600
illegal, you know, making of
clones.

1319
01:18:37,640 --> 01:18:44,320
And so Orphan Black Echoes takes
place within the same universe,

1320
01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:49,360
but it's like 30 years into the
future, 40 years into the

1321
01:18:49,360 --> 01:18:51,080
future.
So it's taking place in like

1322
01:18:51,080 --> 01:18:57,760
2052 and you have the little
girl from the original series.

1323
01:18:57,760 --> 01:18:59,920
She's the main character in this
series.

1324
01:19:00,720 --> 01:19:06,720
And even though she went through
a lot of dangerous times with

1325
01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:10,240
her mom, her mom was was the
original clone or she was the

1326
01:19:10,240 --> 01:19:12,800
original person that that was
cloned.

1327
01:19:14,040 --> 01:19:16,480
She kind of does something
similar in the future.

1328
01:19:16,480 --> 01:19:19,720
And it's about all of these
choices afterwards.

1329
01:19:19,720 --> 01:19:24,320
And you know, what's ethical,
what's moral, because she

1330
01:19:24,320 --> 01:19:29,040
couldn't let go of her wife.
And so she basically created a

1331
01:19:29,040 --> 01:19:33,120
copy of the wife so that she
could try to fix what was wrong

1332
01:19:33,120 --> 01:19:34,880
with the wife to keep her from
dying.

1333
01:19:34,880 --> 01:19:38,920
And so we had some of those
similar conversations for that

1334
01:19:38,920 --> 01:19:42,120
particular show.
It, it was, it's very

1335
01:19:42,120 --> 01:19:45,560
interesting because you have to
sit there and think about, OK,

1336
01:19:45,560 --> 01:19:51,440
so if I have the technology to
fix something, to fix someone

1337
01:19:51,440 --> 01:19:58,880
to, to cure a problem, but I
have to basically make a, a copy

1338
01:19:58,880 --> 01:20:03,280
of this person in order to fix
that, you know, this person

1339
01:20:03,280 --> 01:20:06,120
dies.
I make a copy so that I can

1340
01:20:06,160 --> 01:20:09,200
continue to do that.
Like is that ethical?

1341
01:20:09,200 --> 01:20:11,560
Is that something that should be
done?

1342
01:20:12,480 --> 01:20:16,040
Does that person have a soul?
It it it raised a lot of

1343
01:20:16,040 --> 01:20:19,160
interesting questions.
And if you guys haven't watched

1344
01:20:19,160 --> 01:20:22,080
the show, either one of the
shows, you really should because

1345
01:20:23,080 --> 01:20:27,240
first of all, or in the original
Orphan Black, Tatiana Mazlani is

1346
01:20:27,240 --> 01:20:31,680
just like, she's like amazing.
And then in the second show, it

1347
01:20:31,680 --> 01:20:36,360
just kind of expands on that
point and you're just kind of

1348
01:20:36,360 --> 01:20:44,160
like you knew better and you
still did what you did and what

1349
01:20:44,160 --> 01:20:47,320
are the consequences for that
and how do you deal with those

1350
01:20:47,320 --> 01:20:51,680
kinds?
It's very, very interesting that

1351
01:20:51,680 --> 01:20:57,640
particular show, like some of
the acting is not that great.

1352
01:20:57,640 --> 01:21:02,080
It's very clunky, some of the
dialogue is very awkward, but

1353
01:21:02,120 --> 01:21:07,320
it, it, it's an interesting show
and the conversations that are

1354
01:21:07,320 --> 01:21:11,720
had around it is just like, this
is really stuff that we're

1355
01:21:11,720 --> 01:21:16,400
discussing, you know, because
they are in this day and age,

1356
01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:20,200
they are doing 3D printouts of,
you know, organs now to

1357
01:21:20,200 --> 01:21:25,680
transplant into people.
And so Orphan Black Echoes takes

1358
01:21:25,680 --> 01:21:29,600
that and they put it on a whole
level because instead of just,

1359
01:21:31,960 --> 01:21:37,560
instead of just copying the, the
organs, you are basically

1360
01:21:37,560 --> 01:21:42,480
printing out a whole person,
including their, their

1361
01:21:42,480 --> 01:21:45,000
personality traits, their
memories.

1362
01:21:45,320 --> 01:21:49,480
And all of this is accessible
because basically by this point,

1363
01:21:50,480 --> 01:21:55,360
the Census Bureau has data on
every single person.

1364
01:21:55,360 --> 01:22:00,480
And I mean medical records,
dental records, financial

1365
01:22:00,480 --> 01:22:06,240
information, all of your medical
like brain scans, Mr. is X-rays,

1366
01:22:06,240 --> 01:22:08,400
they have access to all of this
stuff.

1367
01:22:08,440 --> 01:22:11,480
And that is how this this kind
of technology is going.

1368
01:22:11,480 --> 01:22:14,960
And it's like scary because you
really sit there and think about

1369
01:22:14,960 --> 01:22:18,280
it like, oh, we could actually
be doing this in a few years.

1370
01:22:19,040 --> 01:22:22,760
And that's that's scary.
And The funny thing is we did

1371
01:22:22,760 --> 01:22:33,360
that panel on Skynet day.
So, so it's kind of like, I

1372
01:22:33,360 --> 01:22:39,440
don't know if I should be like
impressed or afraid, but.

1373
01:22:39,840 --> 01:22:44,960
Yes, it's that is a show that I
totally missed when it was

1374
01:22:44,960 --> 01:22:48,480
coming on and you've convinced
me I'm going to I'm going to go

1375
01:22:48,480 --> 01:22:50,560
back and watch it.
But this is on AMC Plus and I

1376
01:22:50,560 --> 01:22:52,000
think.
Yes, you should.

1377
01:22:52,320 --> 01:22:54,200
Absolutely.
We stopped our AMC.

1378
01:22:55,080 --> 01:22:57,880
I think we stopped our AMC Plus
subscription.

1379
01:22:58,120 --> 01:22:59,760
You'll.
You'll start.

1380
01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:03,120
Yeah, I was going to say you'll
you'll be starting it back in a

1381
01:23:03,120 --> 01:23:05,760
couple of weeks because Daryl
Dixon's new season starts.

1382
01:23:07,680 --> 01:23:10,120
OK, that's when, that's when I
that's when I watch it.

1383
01:23:10,240 --> 01:23:11,400
I'll watch it, man.
Yep.

1384
01:23:11,720 --> 01:23:16,720
So so you'll have it, but yeah,
I'm trying to think.

1385
01:23:17,240 --> 01:23:21,160
So Mike and I did a panel
together Supernatural Showdown,

1386
01:23:21,160 --> 01:23:24,720
which I think for the last few
years has been our Thursday

1387
01:23:24,720 --> 01:23:27,640
night.
Like that is our start to con to

1388
01:23:27,640 --> 01:23:31,440
do Supernatural Showdown.
So for the last three years

1389
01:23:32,040 --> 01:23:35,160
we've done seasons.
So we did like seasons one

1390
01:23:35,160 --> 01:23:38,400
through 5 the first year, six
through 10, the 2nd 11 through

1391
01:23:38,400 --> 01:23:42,120
15 last year.
And so this year we started

1392
01:23:42,120 --> 01:23:46,080
doing the characters.
And so all of us were assigned a

1393
01:23:46,080 --> 01:23:50,800
character at random and we had
to we have 4 minutes to talk

1394
01:23:50,800 --> 01:23:54,560
about why this character was so
important to the show.

1395
01:23:54,840 --> 01:23:58,560
And then the audience got to
vote who gave the best argument.

1396
01:23:59,240 --> 01:24:08,160
So I think my cat cast, I had
Crowley and we all had some good

1397
01:24:08,920 --> 01:24:11,720
arguments.
I think let's see, somebody had

1398
01:24:11,720 --> 01:24:16,680
Bobby, somebody had Mary
Winchester and Rowena.

1399
01:24:16,680 --> 01:24:19,040
I think, wait, let me see.
Yep.

1400
01:24:19,400 --> 01:24:23,880
Bobby, Cass, Crowley, Jack, Mary
Rowen.

1401
01:24:24,040 --> 01:24:27,480
OK, yes.
So we had six panelists, those 6

1402
01:24:27,480 --> 01:24:30,760
characters.
And it's so funny because the

1403
01:24:30,760 --> 01:24:34,120
person who got booed the most
when they announced who the

1404
01:24:34,120 --> 01:24:37,800
characters were is the argument
that ended up winning.

1405
01:24:37,800 --> 01:24:41,000
And it was because it was Mary
Winchester, because she.

1406
01:24:41,160 --> 01:24:43,360
Was she was.
She's really good at that.

1407
01:24:44,160 --> 01:24:47,720
Beth is really good.
Beth is incredibly good at that.

1408
01:24:48,120 --> 01:24:49,800
Like, but she, I mean, she had a
point.

1409
01:24:49,800 --> 01:24:52,600
She was like, if it wasn't Mary
Winchester, the boys wouldn't

1410
01:24:52,600 --> 01:24:55,040
exist.
I was like God damn it.

1411
01:24:55,400 --> 01:24:58,200
Yeah, I mean, and, and she made
some good points.

1412
01:24:58,240 --> 01:25:00,960
And this was something I was
having a conversation with my

1413
01:25:00,960 --> 01:25:04,360
daughter about the other day,
about how Mary Winchester is one

1414
01:25:04,360 --> 01:25:06,680
of those divisive characters
because you have a lot of people

1415
01:25:06,680 --> 01:25:10,920
who don't like her from when she
came back because she was so

1416
01:25:10,920 --> 01:25:17,000
different from the image of Mary
that Dean and Sam had basically

1417
01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:19,560
had of her for all those years
that she was gone.

1418
01:25:20,400 --> 01:25:22,960
But then when you think about
the stuff that she's had to go

1419
01:25:22,960 --> 01:25:28,720
through and come back 33 years
after her death and she's having

1420
01:25:28,720 --> 01:25:32,960
to adjust to being a mom to
grown men, and she's going back

1421
01:25:32,960 --> 01:25:36,560
into hunting and she finds out
her sons are hunters when she

1422
01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:38,280
didn't want that lifestyle for
them.

1423
01:25:38,280 --> 01:25:40,920
And you know, her husband is
dead.

1424
01:25:40,920 --> 01:25:42,840
And it's just a whole lot of
stuff.

1425
01:25:42,840 --> 01:25:46,840
And I was liking she's not that
bad.

1426
01:25:46,840 --> 01:25:50,560
It's just a matter of that we
have to take her down from the

1427
01:25:50,560 --> 01:25:53,320
pedestal that Dean had placed
her on for all those years that

1428
01:25:53,320 --> 01:25:59,000
we watched the show and look at
her as a real person with real

1429
01:25:59,080 --> 01:26:03,400
issues and real trauma.
And again, you know, we talk

1430
01:26:03,400 --> 01:26:04,840
about this all the time on the
show.

1431
01:26:05,120 --> 01:26:09,480
All of these people have no
access to therapy.

1432
01:26:10,040 --> 01:26:13,520
And sometimes they have to
create their own therapy and

1433
01:26:13,520 --> 01:26:16,040
they have to do their own things
that help them get through

1434
01:26:16,040 --> 01:26:17,680
whatever it is they have to go
through.

1435
01:26:17,680 --> 01:26:22,440
So Beth did a really good job
and she got like, I think she

1436
01:26:22,440 --> 01:26:25,480
got like 29 votes out of the
whole.

1437
01:26:25,480 --> 01:26:28,200
And she got like 30 You, you had
like 20 and she had like 30.

1438
01:26:28,360 --> 01:26:33,640
I had 20 for Crowley, Yeah.
So hopefully they would do that

1439
01:26:33,640 --> 01:26:36,360
panel again next year and we'll
have a whole new cast of

1440
01:26:36,360 --> 01:26:38,960
characters to talk about.
But that's like always a fun

1441
01:26:38,960 --> 01:26:44,320
start to con for for us because
it's literally one of the first

1442
01:26:44,440 --> 01:26:47,160
panels of the day or of the
whole weekend.

1443
01:26:47,840 --> 01:26:51,400
But yeah, I.
I really liked your your

1444
01:26:51,400 --> 01:26:53,600
Starlight panels, that one got a
little spicy.

1445
01:26:57,200 --> 01:27:00,120
Oh yeah, we'll talk about that a
little bit more when we can

1446
01:27:00,120 --> 01:27:02,320
finish covering the boys because
I had.

1447
01:27:03,360 --> 01:27:06,200
There's a lot going on with that
character this season.

1448
01:27:06,680 --> 01:27:10,080
And.
I, I think it's interesting, one

1449
01:27:10,080 --> 01:27:14,880
of the things that we have been
talking about a lot in our suit,

1450
01:27:14,920 --> 01:27:17,800
you know, the coverage that we
do for our superhero characters

1451
01:27:17,800 --> 01:27:21,960
or superhero shows or movies.
And I think Michelle and I were

1452
01:27:21,960 --> 01:27:27,160
talking about it earlier today
too, is, you know, for us Gen.

1453
01:27:27,160 --> 01:27:31,760
X, when we were growing up,
comic book characters were good

1454
01:27:31,760 --> 01:27:34,080
or bad.
There wasn't really that in

1455
01:27:34,080 --> 01:27:37,320
between.
You know, we had the characters

1456
01:27:37,320 --> 01:27:39,480
that were there.
But for the most part, you had

1457
01:27:39,480 --> 01:27:42,200
to focus on the good character.
You focus on the bad characters.

1458
01:27:42,200 --> 01:27:45,080
There were there were clear cut
heroes and villains.

1459
01:27:45,480 --> 01:27:49,640
And as we get older and we're
looking at things from a

1460
01:27:49,640 --> 01:27:52,320
different lens, we're looking at
things from an adult lens, we're

1461
01:27:52,320 --> 01:27:55,160
looking at things from a
maturity lens, from a moral

1462
01:27:55,160 --> 01:27:59,720
lens, from an ethical lens, it's
very clear that none of these

1463
01:27:59,720 --> 01:28:04,040
people, even the people that we
call heroes, are really good.

1464
01:28:04,400 --> 01:28:08,680
And a lot of the people that we
call villains are not all bad.

1465
01:28:08,680 --> 01:28:11,320
It's like everybody is kind of
in that Gray.

1466
01:28:11,720 --> 01:28:15,640
And Starlight is one of those
characters who very much

1467
01:28:15,640 --> 01:28:20,760
exemplifies that because we're
introduced to her character and

1468
01:28:20,760 --> 01:28:25,720
she's like this really sweet,
you know, small town hero.

1469
01:28:25,720 --> 01:28:30,240
She just wants to do good.
And then she's put through these

1470
01:28:30,240 --> 01:28:35,720
paces from these members of the
Seven till we get to where we

1471
01:28:35,720 --> 01:28:40,840
are in in Season 4 with her and
we find out more things about

1472
01:28:40,840 --> 01:28:44,160
her past and how she really was
not a nice person.

1473
01:28:44,160 --> 01:28:47,160
And all of this is starting to
blow up in her face.

1474
01:28:47,200 --> 01:28:53,440
And I was just like, Oh, this is
a great way to examine how we

1475
01:28:53,440 --> 01:28:56,960
look at quote UN quote, heroes
and villains.

1476
01:28:57,600 --> 01:29:03,520
And so that really was a very
interesting panel because you

1477
01:29:03,520 --> 01:29:06,760
had a lot of people who were on
one extreme and a lot of people

1478
01:29:06,760 --> 01:29:09,760
who are on another extreme.
And then he had like a small

1479
01:29:09,760 --> 01:29:11,600
group that was kind of sort of
in the middle.

1480
01:29:12,400 --> 01:29:16,440
But yeah, we we can talk about
that more when we cover the rest

1481
01:29:16,440 --> 01:29:20,800
of the season 4 episodes of The
Boys cuz Starlight going through

1482
01:29:20,840 --> 01:29:28,080
some shit in the season.
Like, yeah, that was fun though.

1483
01:29:29,240 --> 01:29:33,880
But let's see, I got to talk
about Outlander, which is always

1484
01:29:33,880 --> 01:29:37,360
fun, especially since I am now
caught up on the books.

1485
01:29:37,960 --> 01:29:43,960
I read 3 almost thousand page
books in the course of a week

1486
01:29:44,040 --> 01:29:54,640
and 1/2 and yeah that.
Was every time Michelle see

1487
01:29:54,680 --> 01:29:57,320
every time Michelle saw you
posting something, she blinds.

1488
01:29:57,320 --> 01:29:59,240
You know you need she need to be
reading that book.

1489
01:30:00,360 --> 01:30:03,160
I think we were talking about
House of the Dragon one night.

1490
01:30:03,480 --> 01:30:06,880
We were getting ready to and she
was looking at me like, where

1491
01:30:06,880 --> 01:30:08,400
are you?
And I was like, I'm still on

1492
01:30:08,400 --> 01:30:10,640
such a book and she just looked
at you.

1493
01:30:10,960 --> 01:30:13,800
I said she was.
I said she she didn't even she's

1494
01:30:13,800 --> 01:30:16,680
not even hiding it.
She was looking at Anthony like

1495
01:30:16,920 --> 01:30:18,840
if this bitch don't keep to
start reading.

1496
01:30:19,520 --> 01:30:22,720
But I got it done.
I got it done.

1497
01:30:23,520 --> 01:30:27,040
And now I'm really going through
Outlander book withdrawal

1498
01:30:27,040 --> 01:30:32,040
because she might be 3 or 4
years away from publishing the

1499
01:30:32,040 --> 01:30:35,600
final book.
And I'm sitting here like, I

1500
01:30:35,600 --> 01:30:37,920
need to know what's going on.
I need to know what's going on.

1501
01:30:37,920 --> 01:30:41,520
So now I'm going through
Droughtlander for the show and

1502
01:30:41,520 --> 01:30:44,600
for the book, thankfully.
Droughtlander.

1503
01:30:45,160 --> 01:30:48,320
Yes, that's what it is called.
Thankfully, the show is coming

1504
01:30:48,320 --> 01:30:52,400
back November 22nd, but I need
her to write some more daily

1505
01:30:52,400 --> 01:30:56,400
lines for Book 10 because I need
to see what's going on so I can

1506
01:30:56,400 --> 01:30:59,640
kind of formulate in my head
what I think is going to happen.

1507
01:31:00,320 --> 01:31:05,080
But I'm trying to think, what
else did we talk about this

1508
01:31:05,640 --> 01:31:10,920
year?
I think I covered pretty pretty

1509
01:31:10,920 --> 01:31:17,520
much what was on my plate.
Anthony, you did a lot of Star

1510
01:31:17,520 --> 01:31:22,280
Wars this year, didn't you?
Yeah, we did.

1511
01:31:22,280 --> 01:31:27,320
I did the witchcraft and the
Force and magic in Star Wars,

1512
01:31:27,320 --> 01:31:30,200
which was another interesting
panel because they got a little

1513
01:31:30,200 --> 01:31:36,160
bit of push back because people
don't understand that the Force

1514
01:31:36,480 --> 01:31:43,320
is the Force and that magic is
just what they call force when

1515
01:31:43,320 --> 01:31:45,880
it's being used by people who
aren't the Sith of a Jedi.

1516
01:31:46,480 --> 01:31:49,080
It's still the Force, it's just
called a different name.

1517
01:31:49,560 --> 01:31:56,640
Still don't get that.
And you know the only one thing

1518
01:31:56,640 --> 01:31:59,200
that happened on that panel and
one day I'll have Nick come on

1519
01:31:59,200 --> 01:32:02,760
and explain it to you.
But there was a guy who, you

1520
01:32:02,760 --> 01:32:07,800
know, I said something about
Sith sorcery and Sith alchemy,

1521
01:32:08,200 --> 01:32:12,880
which are forms of magic, but
it's still the Force.

1522
01:32:12,920 --> 01:32:18,080
Anyway, he he came up and he
said, yeah, you didn't have to

1523
01:32:18,080 --> 01:32:21,680
say something about it not being
a Canon because it most

1524
01:32:21,680 --> 01:32:23,600
definitely Canon and you
shouldn't shy away from it.

1525
01:32:23,600 --> 01:32:27,320
And I'm thinking I didn't say
anything about it being a Canon

1526
01:32:27,320 --> 01:32:30,360
or not Canon.
And afterwards Nick was like,

1527
01:32:30,720 --> 01:32:33,360
yeah, I don't know where that
came from because you didn't say

1528
01:32:33,360 --> 01:32:35,760
anything about it being a Canon
or not Canon.

1529
01:32:36,240 --> 01:32:40,280
I say, yeah, he's like Anthony,
you have to remember you're on

1530
01:32:40,280 --> 01:32:44,080
that side of the table.
You know you can't because you

1531
01:32:44,080 --> 01:32:46,800
know I can.
You guys know how I can get out

1532
01:32:46,800 --> 01:32:48,880
there sometimes.
And when you're up there on the

1533
01:32:48,880 --> 01:32:53,440
panel, you can't really do that.
You know, they can't really.

1534
01:32:54,400 --> 01:32:55,840
I think I've talked to you about
this.

1535
01:32:55,840 --> 01:33:00,480
Sometimes you can push back a
little bit on the audience, but

1536
01:33:00,480 --> 01:33:02,200
you can't go.
You can't go too far.

1537
01:33:02,720 --> 01:33:04,400
You don't want.
It to because.

1538
01:33:04,640 --> 01:33:07,800
Like an argument like you can.
Yeah, you don't want to turn

1539
01:33:07,800 --> 01:33:10,120
into an argument, you know.
Yeah, you can kind of sort of

1540
01:33:10,120 --> 01:33:13,200
debate and kind of make your
points clear.

1541
01:33:13,200 --> 01:33:17,800
But yeah, I mean, there are some
people that are going to like

1542
01:33:17,920 --> 01:33:22,000
push you and push you and
honestly on a hour long panel,

1543
01:33:22,000 --> 01:33:24,160
we don't have time for that
like.

1544
01:33:24,480 --> 01:33:26,000
We don't have time for that.
Yeah.

1545
01:33:26,000 --> 01:33:28,080
Oh, because the guy got up and
he said that.

1546
01:33:28,560 --> 01:33:33,560
He said the Jedi, the Jedi don't
allow people to use the Force.

1547
01:33:33,760 --> 01:33:36,120
Like they don't let other people
use the Force.

1548
01:33:36,720 --> 01:33:40,400
And I was like, you know, I've
read, I, I said this.

1549
01:33:40,800 --> 01:33:43,640
I was like, that's interesting
because I've read a lot of Star

1550
01:33:43,640 --> 01:33:49,120
Wars, you know, the EU, all I've
real, I have never once seen

1551
01:33:50,760 --> 01:33:55,080
anyone say that, that I don't
allow other people use the force

1552
01:33:55,840 --> 01:33:58,560
like that, that, that doesn't
make any sense.

1553
01:33:59,080 --> 01:34:01,880
And Nick was like, that's the
first time he's ever seen me

1554
01:34:01,880 --> 01:34:06,520
sort of get somewhat snarky
with, with the audience.

1555
01:34:07,560 --> 01:34:11,560
But I mean, it's, it was, it's
one of those things, it was, it

1556
01:34:11,560 --> 01:34:14,040
was a fun panel.
I also did Quantum Leap panel,

1557
01:34:14,040 --> 01:34:17,280
which was a lot of fun because,
you know, there's a huge

1558
01:34:17,280 --> 01:34:19,920
following because if you watch
the original show, the original

1559
01:34:19,920 --> 01:34:23,640
show is like one of the greatest
TV shows of all time.

1560
01:34:24,440 --> 01:34:29,080
And you know, as much as I like
the new Quantum Leap, it's not

1561
01:34:29,080 --> 01:34:34,240
quite as good, but it's it's
good in a different way because

1562
01:34:34,240 --> 01:34:39,040
the original was really Sam and
Al.

1563
01:34:39,640 --> 01:34:43,720
It was really the two of them.
The new show, I know, I don't

1564
01:34:43,720 --> 01:34:46,120
think you guys have watched it.
I haven't watched it yet.

1565
01:34:46,120 --> 01:34:49,520
The new show is more of an
ensemble.

1566
01:34:50,520 --> 01:34:53,360
Oh, OK.
It's it's more about all it's

1567
01:34:53,360 --> 01:34:57,600
it's like 6-5 or six characters
that we follow with the show.

1568
01:34:57,600 --> 01:35:00,280
It's not about the leaper and
the person helping him.

1569
01:35:00,640 --> 01:35:03,840
It's really about it's really
non solvable, which is I like

1570
01:35:03,840 --> 01:35:07,520
the idea that they did it
differently than the original.

1571
01:35:08,880 --> 01:35:11,120
So I really like that panel
because they're a lot of fans of

1572
01:35:11,120 --> 01:35:14,320
that show.
And the only other panel though

1573
01:35:14,320 --> 01:35:18,440
is Upload, which is a show that
comes on Amazon Prime.

1574
01:35:19,840 --> 01:35:25,920
It's a fun show, but it really
has like a dark side.

1575
01:35:26,160 --> 01:35:29,440
It's it's like if Black Mirror
were a sitcom.

1576
01:35:30,040 --> 01:35:33,120
Basically, yeah.
Yeah, if you ever watch Black

1577
01:35:33,120 --> 01:35:37,040
Mirror, it's like that, but.
Or it's basically, it's

1578
01:35:37,040 --> 01:35:40,960
basically like you can't take it
with you, but if you if you die

1579
01:35:41,120 --> 01:35:42,600
and you're broke, you're still
broke.

1580
01:35:44,560 --> 01:35:49,680
Yeah, but it it raises a lot of
interesting issues.

1581
01:35:49,880 --> 01:35:54,600
We we would say it's subversive
because they're talk.

1582
01:35:54,600 --> 01:35:58,760
One of the main storylines on
the show is gerrymandering where

1583
01:35:58,760 --> 01:36:00,080
they're off.
OK.

1584
01:36:00,320 --> 01:36:04,840
The idea of upload is when you
die or right before you die, you

1585
01:36:04,840 --> 01:36:09,080
can upload your brain or your
consciousness or who you are

1586
01:36:09,320 --> 01:36:11,520
into a computer and we'll make
an avatar.

1587
01:36:11,960 --> 01:36:15,600
And you have all these choices
of different heavens, I just

1588
01:36:15,600 --> 01:36:18,560
call them heavens that you can
go to and spend your life there

1589
01:36:18,560 --> 01:36:20,800
forever.
Depending on how much money you

1590
01:36:20,800 --> 01:36:25,600
have like you have a lot of map
like if.

1591
01:36:25,680 --> 01:36:30,360
You if you're poor, yeah, if
you're poor, right they.

1592
01:36:30,640 --> 01:36:32,440
Just throw your ass.
You can go to.

1593
01:36:34,040 --> 01:36:36,000
It's basically, it's basically
like if you're, if you're rich,

1594
01:36:36,000 --> 01:36:37,320
you have you.
Can go but you only get.

1595
01:36:37,840 --> 01:36:39,680
You only get like 2 gigabytes of
data.

1596
01:36:39,760 --> 01:36:42,880
Yeah, if you're, if you're rich,
if you're yeah, if you're rich,

1597
01:36:42,880 --> 01:36:45,560
you're on 5G and if you're poor,
you're on 2G.

1598
01:36:47,480 --> 01:36:49,000
OK.
So you basically have.

1599
01:36:49,160 --> 01:36:51,360
You no, you're on dial up.
You're a little.

1600
01:36:51,360 --> 01:36:53,240
You're a dial up, Yeah, you have
nothing.

1601
01:36:53,240 --> 01:36:56,040
You have dial up and you can.
Literally have no colors.

1602
01:36:57,400 --> 01:37:01,680
You can't move.
Oh, it's it's it's.

1603
01:37:02,080 --> 01:37:07,280
A fun show it it raises a lot of
questions about do we have souls

1604
01:37:07,680 --> 01:37:11,600
because a character dies, they
get uploaded but they can be

1605
01:37:11,600 --> 01:37:15,960
duplicated right?
So one of the three rooms on.

1606
01:37:16,760 --> 01:37:19,400
Black.
Echoes right, but you're

1607
01:37:19,400 --> 01:37:21,440
duplicating.
You're inside the, you're inside

1608
01:37:21,440 --> 01:37:24,000
the computer, and you're
virtual.

1609
01:37:24,400 --> 01:37:29,600
But then the main character, his
fiance, is still alive, but she

1610
01:37:29,600 --> 01:37:31,440
still wants to have a
relationship with him even

1611
01:37:31,440 --> 01:37:34,840
though he's dead.
And then and then there's like a

1612
01:37:34,840 --> 01:37:38,360
food shortage and then there's a
food shortage.

1613
01:37:38,680 --> 01:37:42,720
So then we get into this one
episode where there's like this

1614
01:37:42,720 --> 01:37:50,920
huge, massive, like cloned cow
and each of the teats is a

1615
01:37:50,920 --> 01:37:54,360
different type of milk.
And when you get to the end of

1616
01:37:54,360 --> 01:37:58,440
it, it comes out as cottage
cheese because the milk has

1617
01:37:58,440 --> 01:38:02,920
travelled for so long down the
cow that it comes out it's kind

1618
01:38:02,920 --> 01:38:06,400
of sport.
So it's kind of, yeah, it, it

1619
01:38:06,400 --> 01:38:08,120
raises a lot of the interesting
thing.

1620
01:38:08,120 --> 01:38:11,080
But the main thing is the
gerrymandering is they had built

1621
01:38:11,080 --> 01:38:15,640
these, these different places
for free uploads and people can

1622
01:38:15,640 --> 01:38:18,200
choose and make their own heaven
or whatever.

1623
01:38:18,480 --> 01:38:24,280
And they were doing for the poor
people in the, in the what do we

1624
01:38:24,280 --> 01:38:28,400
call the swing states?
So if you get enough of the poor

1625
01:38:28,400 --> 01:38:32,880
people to upload, they can't
vote anymore because they're

1626
01:38:32,880 --> 01:38:36,160
dead.
So you can turn all the swing

1627
01:38:36,160 --> 01:38:39,160
states red.
That is one of the plot lines of

1628
01:38:39,160 --> 01:38:43,880
the show.
But but it raises all these

1629
01:38:43,880 --> 01:38:49,520
things that are like common in
our actual society, but they

1630
01:38:49,520 --> 01:38:51,800
give it to you in a weird kind
of way.

1631
01:38:51,800 --> 01:38:55,840
And if you really watch the show
and kind of pay attention, it

1632
01:38:55,840 --> 01:39:00,200
can be kind of depressing, but
it was it was fun to have a lot

1633
01:39:00,200 --> 01:39:03,400
of people come and talk about
the show because it it does

1634
01:39:03,400 --> 01:39:04,840
raise a lot of interesting
things.

1635
01:39:05,400 --> 01:39:08,960
But you know, and the IO panel
was a lot of fun.

1636
01:39:09,800 --> 01:39:11,800
Hanukkah recorded it and put it
up on YouTube.

1637
01:39:11,800 --> 01:39:15,040
You should watch it because I
had there.

1638
01:39:15,040 --> 01:39:17,600
There was some funny moments in
that.

1639
01:39:17,600 --> 01:39:20,240
Anthony was a.
Regular comedian that day.

1640
01:39:22,520 --> 01:39:24,240
Yeah, I don't know who that guy
was.

1641
01:39:26,640 --> 01:39:28,680
Well, you know, I love Will of
Time.

1642
01:39:28,680 --> 01:39:31,320
I love Robert Jordan.
I love the ideal.

1643
01:39:32,600 --> 01:39:34,280
It was a fun panel to be on.
Yeah.

1644
01:39:36,560 --> 01:39:41,880
And the two Game of Thrones
panel, I was on the night of

1645
01:39:41,880 --> 01:39:43,760
Seven Kingdoms.
We talked about the show that's

1646
01:39:43,760 --> 01:39:50,120
coming up and maybe that was,
oh, was that.

1647
01:39:50,120 --> 01:39:52,680
I think it was the only, the
only Game of Thrones panel I was

1648
01:39:52,720 --> 01:39:57,640
on out of the Seven Kingdoms.
Yeah, but I was only with Tara.

1649
01:39:57,640 --> 01:40:01,560
And Tara's always fun to be on
the panel with because she knows

1650
01:40:01,560 --> 01:40:03,960
her stuff, Boy, she knows her
stuff.

1651
01:40:05,320 --> 01:40:09,200
She knows her game.
She knows she knows her stuff.

1652
01:40:09,200 --> 01:40:12,520
And I think she has a Game of
Thrones convention that she's a

1653
01:40:12,520 --> 01:40:16,880
director of up North somewhere.
She used to have it.

1654
01:40:16,880 --> 01:40:23,160
It's on hiatus.
She said it's hard running a an

1655
01:40:23,160 --> 01:40:26,120
East Coast con from the West
Coast, so she needed to take a

1656
01:40:26,120 --> 01:40:28,560
break.
She said that hopefully it will

1657
01:40:28,560 --> 01:40:32,880
be back because I think you and
I talked about possibly doing

1658
01:40:32,880 --> 01:40:34,600
that convention.
Talking about going.

1659
01:40:34,720 --> 01:40:37,600
Yeah.
And then that's when it went on

1660
01:40:37,600 --> 01:40:40,920
hiatus, I think.
Actually, I think we talked

1661
01:40:40,920 --> 01:40:44,600
about it right before the
pandemic happened and then of

1662
01:40:44,600 --> 01:40:45,640
course, COVID.
Happened.

1663
01:40:45,720 --> 01:40:47,480
Yeah, we should be at.
Everything up.

1664
01:40:47,600 --> 01:40:53,360
So yeah.
But yeah, you know, OK, so

1665
01:40:53,360 --> 01:40:56,680
here's the other thing Anthony,
you had fun talking about on the

1666
01:40:56,680 --> 01:40:59,040
panels, but you said you don't
think you're going to do panels

1667
01:40:59,040 --> 01:41:04,640
next year.
You know, best laid plans of

1668
01:41:04,640 --> 01:41:07,760
mice and men.
I think I said that last year

1669
01:41:08,240 --> 01:41:12,680
and this year Michelle said you
should try to get on high

1670
01:41:12,680 --> 01:41:16,120
fantasy again because, you know,
yeah.

1671
01:41:16,400 --> 01:41:20,240
So I reached out to high fantasy
and I remembered, Oh yeah, I

1672
01:41:20,240 --> 01:41:22,640
know the Star Wars track
director, let me reach out to

1673
01:41:22,640 --> 01:41:26,000
her.
And Oh yeah, I know the American

1674
01:41:26,000 --> 01:41:28,240
sci-fi track director let me
reach out to her.

1675
01:41:28,560 --> 01:41:31,560
Next thing you know, I'm on the
8 panels and I really wasn't

1676
01:41:31,560 --> 01:41:33,680
planning on being on like two or
three.

1677
01:41:34,120 --> 01:41:37,200
Yeah.
So, you know, again, I, I miss

1678
01:41:37,200 --> 01:41:39,760
going to panels.
That's what I've always liked

1679
01:41:39,760 --> 01:41:43,840
about Dragon Khan, like going to
panels, engaging the panelists,

1680
01:41:44,400 --> 01:41:47,640
not being a panelist, being
engaged with, it's not quite the

1681
01:41:47,880 --> 01:41:51,080
same.
It's not quite the same.

1682
01:41:51,080 --> 01:41:54,360
And see that's I like being on
the other side.

1683
01:41:55,320 --> 01:41:57,240
Well, I like it because.
I like being me.

1684
01:41:57,280 --> 01:42:02,280
An opportunity to talk like,
especially of all the stuff,

1685
01:42:02,280 --> 01:42:05,840
because like even before we
started doing this recording, we

1686
01:42:05,840 --> 01:42:08,360
were talking about, look, I'm
just going to flash it up.

1687
01:42:08,560 --> 01:42:11,840
We were talking about our list
of shows that we want to cover

1688
01:42:12,240 --> 01:42:18,320
just for the end of this year.
And we have like 17 different

1689
01:42:18,320 --> 01:42:20,280
topics.
And I'm like, there's no way

1690
01:42:20,280 --> 01:42:21,720
we're going to be able to do
that.

1691
01:42:22,080 --> 01:42:25,160
But Dragon Con for me is one of
the ways that I get to talk

1692
01:42:25,160 --> 01:42:30,520
about a lot of the things that I
want, you know, because you

1693
01:42:30,520 --> 01:42:34,360
know, we started this podcast in
2020.

1694
01:42:35,080 --> 01:42:39,000
Matter of fact, the end of this
month will be our 4th birthday.

1695
01:42:39,560 --> 01:42:44,400
And it's so weird that we've
been going for four years, but

1696
01:42:44,400 --> 01:42:47,800
like when we first started, the
pandemic was still going strong.

1697
01:42:48,040 --> 01:42:51,080
We were still like a lot of us
were still working remotely.

1698
01:42:51,080 --> 01:42:54,520
There was no social life
whatsoever.

1699
01:42:54,800 --> 01:42:58,800
So we literally, you know, we're
recording and putting out, I

1700
01:42:58,800 --> 01:43:01,840
think at the beginning we were
putting out like 3 episodes a

1701
01:43:01,840 --> 01:43:04,200
week because there was so much
time.

1702
01:43:04,200 --> 01:43:07,560
We weren't doing anything.
And it's like now we've gone

1703
01:43:07,560 --> 01:43:11,440
back to regular life.
You know, Anthony and Michelle,

1704
01:43:11,440 --> 01:43:16,120
they have a child that's, you
know, almost done with high

1705
01:43:16,120 --> 01:43:18,800
school.
And you know, Mike is married,

1706
01:43:18,800 --> 01:43:21,800
Lori has been, you know, dealing
with family stuff.

1707
01:43:21,880 --> 01:43:26,560
And so it's just it's harder for
us to get together to like

1708
01:43:26,560 --> 01:43:31,520
really talk about stuff.
And so Dragon Con is like,

1709
01:43:31,720 --> 01:43:33,840
conventions are that outlet for
me.

1710
01:43:33,840 --> 01:43:38,000
Like if we're only talking about
two shows a month, oh, and

1711
01:43:38,000 --> 01:43:42,200
Dragon Con, I get to go talk
about 10 different things and I

1712
01:43:42,200 --> 01:43:45,720
can get it out of my system.
So I like that part about it

1713
01:43:45,720 --> 01:43:49,760
because I'm like, I get to talk.
And then also hearing other

1714
01:43:49,760 --> 01:43:54,400
people's opinions about things,
you know, not just the

1715
01:43:54,400 --> 01:43:57,680
panelists, but a lot of people
in the audience, because some

1716
01:43:57,680 --> 01:44:01,280
people in the audience, they may
not feel comfortable being on a

1717
01:44:01,280 --> 01:44:04,960
stage to talk about it, but they
don't mind engaging.

1718
01:44:04,960 --> 01:44:10,760
And a lot of times people will
say stuff and they're the things

1719
01:44:10,760 --> 01:44:13,480
that they're saying is something
that never crossed my mind.

1720
01:44:13,480 --> 01:44:17,200
So I literally sit there like,
and it gives me something to

1721
01:44:17,200 --> 01:44:18,880
think about.
And that's one of the things I

1722
01:44:18,880 --> 01:44:22,360
love about doing it.
And then of course, people

1723
01:44:22,360 --> 01:44:26,600
coming up afterwards and
continuing the conversation or,

1724
01:44:27,080 --> 01:44:31,480
you know, for me, you know, one
of the things I've talked about

1725
01:44:31,480 --> 01:44:34,600
in the past is the whole
imposter syndrome thing.

1726
01:44:34,880 --> 01:44:38,600
Because you, you know, you think
about these people who are

1727
01:44:38,640 --> 01:44:41,200
making a living doing this kind
of thing.

1728
01:44:41,200 --> 01:44:44,120
And then you have us who just do
it because we just want to do

1729
01:44:44,120 --> 01:44:44,880
it.
It's fun.

1730
01:44:45,520 --> 01:44:49,520
And sometimes you can sit here
and think like, we're on panels

1731
01:44:49,520 --> 01:44:53,120
with authors.
I think Anthony was on a panel

1732
01:44:53,120 --> 01:44:56,880
with somebody who actually works
on the Wheel of Time show, you

1733
01:44:56,880 --> 01:44:59,280
know, working with people who
work with these things.

1734
01:44:59,280 --> 01:45:02,600
And you can start feeling like,
OK, I'm just a little podcaster

1735
01:45:03,120 --> 01:45:06,200
who cares about my opinion and
that sort of thing.

1736
01:45:06,200 --> 01:45:08,240
And you start feeling like, OK,
I don't know if I need to be

1737
01:45:08,320 --> 01:45:10,400
here.
And then people will come up and

1738
01:45:10,400 --> 01:45:14,280
say, hey, I like your opinion on
this because it's not an opinion

1739
01:45:14,280 --> 01:45:17,480
I've heard before.
Or also us being people of

1740
01:45:17,480 --> 01:45:23,000
color, a lot of times our voices
aren't heard in geek spaces.

1741
01:45:23,000 --> 01:45:26,440
That's changed a lot in the last
few years before a long time.

1742
01:45:26,440 --> 01:45:29,360
Like I remember when I was
going, when I started going to

1743
01:45:29,360 --> 01:45:33,360
Dragon Con 2007, there was not a
lot of black people there.

1744
01:45:34,160 --> 01:45:38,600
There were some, but not like,
like we got a whole Black Geeks

1745
01:45:38,600 --> 01:45:41,600
of Dragon Con group now and
they're they're having the

1746
01:45:41,720 --> 01:45:44,800
photos.
And definitely not and

1747
01:45:44,800 --> 01:45:49,080
definitely not on panels.
Definitely not on panels like I

1748
01:45:49,080 --> 01:45:53,400
spent the 1st 10 to 15 years
going to Dragon Con.

1749
01:45:53,760 --> 01:45:57,640
Every panel I went to, the
feedback was y'all don't have no

1750
01:45:57,640 --> 01:46:01,240
black people on the panel, you
know, and, and that was across

1751
01:46:01,240 --> 01:46:03,560
all the tracks.
The only you could go to urban

1752
01:46:03,560 --> 01:46:06,960
fantasy and that would be like
the only place you find like

1753
01:46:06,960 --> 01:46:09,680
black authors or black people on
the panel.

1754
01:46:10,240 --> 01:46:14,320
Everyone else was like, no.
So that that's one of the things

1755
01:46:14,320 --> 01:46:17,360
that that has changed.
I would say it changed

1756
01:46:17,360 --> 01:46:22,360
significantly over the years is
the diversity and representation

1757
01:46:23,000 --> 01:46:27,360
of the panelists has has really
changed for the better.

1758
01:46:27,640 --> 01:46:29,360
This is I think it's really
good.

1759
01:46:30,080 --> 01:46:32,160
Yeah.
Which is why when all people ask

1760
01:46:32,160 --> 01:46:35,800
me to be on the panel loud, I
don't say no you.

1761
01:46:35,800 --> 01:46:38,400
Know, yeah.
And also she got to talk, to

1762
01:46:38,400 --> 01:46:39,800
talk, you know, to walk the walk
and.

1763
01:46:42,920 --> 01:46:46,920
This is this is one of the first
years that I actually had like

1764
01:46:46,920 --> 01:46:51,160
someone walk up to me that not
in the room after the panel, but

1765
01:46:51,160 --> 01:46:54,920
like outside of the room, like
walk up to me and say, Hey, I

1766
01:46:54,920 --> 01:46:56,560
really love, really love your
panel.

1767
01:46:56,560 --> 01:46:59,120
The other day it's like I had
like three people say that this

1768
01:46:59,160 --> 01:47:01,600
this year and I was like, wow,
thanks.

1769
01:47:01,600 --> 01:47:04,040
Like this is not like
immediately after, but it's like

1770
01:47:04,480 --> 01:47:06,520
just walking around like.
Hey, I saw your panel.

1771
01:47:06,640 --> 01:47:09,360
You're really good.
I was like, you know, that saves

1772
01:47:09,360 --> 01:47:12,760
me from my my impo, my imposter
syndrome, but you know, I have

1773
01:47:12,760 --> 01:47:14,880
imposter syndrome.
Just being on here with you guys

1774
01:47:14,880 --> 01:47:17,240
every every time we we podcast.
Whatever, dude.

1775
01:47:17,280 --> 01:47:20,680
Or.
Whatever, dude, whatever,

1776
01:47:20,680 --> 01:47:21,800
whatever.
But.

1777
01:47:22,400 --> 01:47:24,720
Yeah, my favorite part.
Of you all deserve to be in this

1778
01:47:24,880 --> 01:47:28,240
space so.
Yeah, my my favorite part of

1779
01:47:28,240 --> 01:47:29,000
Dragon.
Con ourselves.

1780
01:47:31,680 --> 01:47:33,760
Yeah, that's true.
We we belong here.

1781
01:47:34,680 --> 01:47:38,960
My favorite part of Dragon Con
is just being around people who

1782
01:47:38,960 --> 01:47:43,280
geek out about something the
same level that I do.

1783
01:47:43,680 --> 01:47:48,080
It's not more.
And and that, that is what has

1784
01:47:48,120 --> 01:47:50,560
always appealed to me.
That's why I like being in the

1785
01:47:50,560 --> 01:47:56,040
audience because you know, to be
around people who who geek out

1786
01:47:56,040 --> 01:48:01,160
about Star Wars or you know,
about the series.

1787
01:48:01,160 --> 01:48:04,920
They have a whole room full of
people just to talk about the

1788
01:48:04,920 --> 01:48:10,000
Force and witchcraft and magic
it that that is, you know, I

1789
01:48:10,000 --> 01:48:13,920
spent all this time researching
hard magic, soft magic,

1790
01:48:14,000 --> 01:48:17,040
irrational magic, just to go in
there to talk about it.

1791
01:48:17,040 --> 01:48:20,840
And we don't talk about it, but
it's fine because or really in

1792
01:48:20,840 --> 01:48:23,520
the people who know more than
you do about something.

1793
01:48:24,160 --> 01:48:28,080
And you know that that is always
amazing to me.

1794
01:48:28,560 --> 01:48:31,960
That's I think that is the
appeal and to get up and I

1795
01:48:31,960 --> 01:48:34,560
don't, you know, I don't mind
talking about how I feel about

1796
01:48:34,560 --> 01:48:36,920
something.
You know, there were many times

1797
01:48:36,920 --> 01:48:39,680
when I used to go up people like
why aren't you on any panels?

1798
01:48:40,040 --> 01:48:44,600
But because I don't know
anybody, you know, you apply,

1799
01:48:44,840 --> 01:48:47,720
you know, you feel out, you're
like, hey, how can I be on the

1800
01:48:47,720 --> 01:48:49,400
panel?
Like, oh, you got to volunteer.

1801
01:48:49,720 --> 01:48:52,240
I don't got time for that.
I need to go to the panels.

1802
01:48:52,480 --> 01:48:54,840
I don't have time to volunteer
on the track just to get on the

1803
01:48:54,840 --> 01:48:56,200
panel.
Yeah.

1804
01:48:56,520 --> 01:48:58,080
Yeah, it's like I hear, I hear a
lot of people.

1805
01:48:58,080 --> 01:49:00,880
They're like when I tell them on
a panel at Dragon Con, they're

1806
01:49:00,880 --> 01:49:04,120
like, really?
I'm like, yeah, like, how'd you

1807
01:49:04,120 --> 01:49:07,000
do that?
I'm like, is you gotta play.

1808
01:49:07,080 --> 01:49:09,880
It's all who you know.
I mean, it's like you have to

1809
01:49:09,880 --> 01:49:12,880
actually know people and like
talk to people and like, you

1810
01:49:12,880 --> 01:49:15,400
know, relate to people and be
like, look, wow, that was a

1811
01:49:15,400 --> 01:49:16,920
whole lot of fun.
I wouldn't mind trying that

1812
01:49:16,920 --> 01:49:20,080
because shout to Kellen.
Kellen on American sci-fi

1813
01:49:20,080 --> 01:49:23,440
because.
We love killing I.

1814
01:49:24,160 --> 01:49:27,560
Love her because it's like we
always, we always say like we

1815
01:49:27,560 --> 01:49:29,960
want to be on somebody because
all their panels are cool.

1816
01:49:29,960 --> 01:49:32,040
I'm like, OK, I want to be on
every last one of those panels.

1817
01:49:32,040 --> 01:49:35,720
She's like, no, you only get 5
damn panels because I want to

1818
01:49:35,720 --> 01:49:37,120
hear different.
I want to hear different people

1819
01:49:37,120 --> 01:49:39,280
talking about it.
I'm like OK, fine, but that's

1820
01:49:39,280 --> 01:49:42,840
the but shout out to her.
Shout out to her for for from

1821
01:49:42,920 --> 01:49:46,080
subjugating the rules and
allowing me to be on Deadpool

1822
01:49:46,080 --> 01:49:48,080
Wolverine as the 6th panel this
year.

1823
01:49:48,480 --> 01:49:50,880
I really appreciate.
That I fought for you to get on

1824
01:49:50,880 --> 01:49:55,760
that panel.
I appreciate you because I was

1825
01:49:55,760 --> 01:49:58,040
supposed to do that panel, but I
had an out.

1826
01:49:58,360 --> 01:50:02,040
I think it Oh, no, not Outlander
Interview with the Vampire,

1827
01:50:02,080 --> 01:50:07,120
which was kind of, it was one of
those panels where the horror

1828
01:50:07,120 --> 01:50:11,240
track shout out to Derek wasn't
supposed to do it.

1829
01:50:11,480 --> 01:50:15,040
And then he reached out to me.
He was like, hey, so I didn't

1830
01:50:15,040 --> 01:50:17,000
think I was going to do an
Interview with the Vampire

1831
01:50:17,000 --> 01:50:19,320
season 2 panel this year, but I
think I'm going to do it.

1832
01:50:19,320 --> 01:50:22,200
Do you want to be on it?
And this is only the second year

1833
01:50:22,200 --> 01:50:25,880
I've done anything on the horror
track and also Apocalypse

1834
01:50:25,880 --> 01:50:28,840
Rising.
But it's kind of like you said,

1835
01:50:28,840 --> 01:50:33,240
M1 is, you know, people.
And then two is also like word

1836
01:50:33,240 --> 01:50:36,440
of mouth because of people here.
Oh yeah, I've had her on my

1837
01:50:36,440 --> 01:50:38,920
track or I've had him on my
track, and they were good.

1838
01:50:39,840 --> 01:50:43,560
And that'll give them some idea,
like, OK, so they can hold

1839
01:50:43,560 --> 01:50:47,240
somebody's interest, they can,
they can talk and you know, that

1840
01:50:47,240 --> 01:50:49,240
sort of thing.
I did the Interview with the

1841
01:50:49,840 --> 01:50:53,000
Vampire panel last year and we
had so much fun.

1842
01:50:53,040 --> 01:50:58,680
And this year, when I say that
room was bonkers, we had so much

1843
01:50:58,680 --> 01:51:00,840
fun.
And I'm so pissed off because my

1844
01:51:00,840 --> 01:51:03,800
camera died 17 minutes into the
panel.

1845
01:51:04,000 --> 01:51:07,320
I'm so mad because that was like
one of the best panels.

1846
01:51:07,600 --> 01:51:10,080
That group of panelists was
amazing.

1847
01:51:10,080 --> 01:51:15,240
It was just.
But yeah, going back to what

1848
01:51:15,240 --> 01:51:19,120
Mike was saying, it is like,
that's how I got into paneling

1849
01:51:19,120 --> 01:51:23,720
because I knew somebody from the
local Atlanta Harry Potter group

1850
01:51:23,720 --> 01:51:27,120
who was on the YA lit track and
she was like, hey, you do a lot

1851
01:51:27,120 --> 01:51:32,880
of Harry Potter stuff.
Because that man, in 2009, 2010,

1852
01:51:32,880 --> 01:51:37,000
it was like, not only was I very
active in the local Harry Potter

1853
01:51:37,000 --> 01:51:40,360
community, I was also a Harry
Potter Blogger for

1854
01:51:40,360 --> 01:51:44,920
hollywoodnews.com.
And I was like, I was just all

1855
01:51:44,920 --> 01:51:46,880
over the place with Harry Potter
stuff.

1856
01:51:47,400 --> 01:51:51,640
They brought me in for a Harry
Potter panel and then the next

1857
01:51:51,640 --> 01:51:53,560
year they had me do a few more
panels.

1858
01:51:53,960 --> 01:51:56,960
And then I think the next year
was when American sci-fi

1859
01:51:56,960 --> 01:52:01,880
Fantasy, when I actually saw
them put the call for panelists

1860
01:52:01,880 --> 01:52:04,640
out and it just kind of went
from there.

1861
01:52:04,640 --> 01:52:11,280
So, yeah, it always is a good
feeling when people hear of

1862
01:52:11,280 --> 01:52:14,320
your, you know, when you have a
reputation where people like,

1863
01:52:14,320 --> 01:52:16,040
hey, I want to get this person
on my panels.

1864
01:52:16,440 --> 01:52:19,480
Or when people, like you said,
might come up to you just in the

1865
01:52:19,480 --> 01:52:22,080
middle of the car, like, Oh my
God, I saw your panel, it was

1866
01:52:22,080 --> 01:52:25,440
great, blah, blah, blah.
And then, you know, we also got

1867
01:52:25,440 --> 01:52:29,840
new listeners and new
subscribers because of some of

1868
01:52:29,840 --> 01:52:33,080
our Dragon Con panels that I've
already posted.

1869
01:52:33,120 --> 01:52:39,800
So hey, new people welcome.
So yeah, it's I, I love it.

1870
01:52:39,800 --> 01:52:43,200
You know, I mean, y'all, y'all
can tell from listening to this

1871
01:52:43,200 --> 01:52:44,880
podcast.
I like to talk about giggy

1872
01:52:44,920 --> 01:52:47,400
things.
So anytime that I get a chance

1873
01:52:47,400 --> 01:52:53,480
to to talk, you know, I am one
of those kids who used to have

1874
01:52:53,480 --> 01:52:56,880
that on the report card.
She's very smart, gives good

1875
01:52:56,880 --> 01:52:59,320
grades, talks too much.
Talks a lot.

1876
01:53:00,040 --> 01:53:04,880
One more shout out to killing
the directive of the American

1877
01:53:05,760 --> 01:53:13,520
sci-fi track because she will
have these shows like Beacon 23

1878
01:53:14,080 --> 01:53:22,600
upload shows that that don't get
a lot of attention and give

1879
01:53:22,600 --> 01:53:26,240
people the ability to see and
talk to other people about those

1880
01:53:26,240 --> 01:53:31,440
same shows.
Silo I wouldn't say 3 body

1881
01:53:31,440 --> 01:53:33,560
Problem, but there's a lot of
people in that room.

1882
01:53:34,120 --> 01:53:38,360
But you know, there was having
shows like that.

1883
01:53:38,360 --> 01:53:40,560
We had two shows that didn't
make it this year,

1884
01:53:40,560 --> 01:53:43,320
Constellation, which I actually
kind of liked.

1885
01:53:43,360 --> 01:53:50,520
And the other show was the big
Door prize, which we had a lot

1886
01:53:50,520 --> 01:53:52,840
of people that had last year,
but we couldn't get any

1887
01:53:52,840 --> 01:53:55,120
panelists this year.
Oh, really?

1888
01:53:55,320 --> 01:53:57,920
OK.
Yeah, she said she couldn't get

1889
01:53:57,920 --> 01:53:59,480
no panelists for it.
OK.

1890
01:54:00,080 --> 01:54:03,240
Yeah, yeah.
And and and then all these shows

1891
01:54:03,240 --> 01:54:07,760
we do, they get cancelled.
You know, it's very difficult.

1892
01:54:08,920 --> 01:54:11,080
But it's it's.
Fun to have to be able to talk

1893
01:54:11,240 --> 01:54:15,080
talk to other people about those
shows because otherwise it isn't

1894
01:54:15,080 --> 01:54:18,880
really a community for yeah.
So shout out to her for for

1895
01:54:18,880 --> 01:54:21,480
keeping that up and hope she
keeps doing it and doesn't get

1896
01:54:21,480 --> 01:54:24,360
discouraged by, you know,
audience numbers.

1897
01:54:24,840 --> 01:54:30,360
Yeah.
So I think we can close this one

1898
01:54:30,360 --> 01:54:33,320
out.
I do want to, I do want to call

1899
01:54:33,320 --> 01:54:38,240
out the specific tracks.
So shout out to the American

1900
01:54:38,240 --> 01:54:42,040
sci-fi fantasy media track,
urban fantasy.

1901
01:54:42,040 --> 01:54:45,400
Let's see young adult
literature, horror, apocalypse

1902
01:54:45,400 --> 01:54:49,840
rising, American sci-fi,
classics, Star Wars track,

1903
01:54:50,720 --> 01:54:57,760
alternate history.
Let's see X track, which is

1904
01:54:57,760 --> 01:55:01,400
where I was on while I was on
the Warehouse 13 panel.

1905
01:55:01,400 --> 01:55:03,720
That was extract.
They were so nice.

1906
01:55:03,720 --> 01:55:05,720
I'm like, they must not have a
lot of people.

1907
01:55:05,880 --> 01:55:10,200
Yeah, extract.
Yeah, I did several pounds a

1908
01:55:10,200 --> 01:55:12,560
couple of years ago and they
extract they're they're I love

1909
01:55:12,600 --> 01:55:13,640
extract.
They're.

1910
01:55:13,640 --> 01:55:14,840
They're like, hey, how you
doing?

1911
01:55:14,840 --> 01:55:16,680
You want a snack?
You want want a soda?

1912
01:55:16,680 --> 01:55:20,400
I'm like.
Yeah, extract they.

1913
01:55:20,600 --> 01:55:22,920
They are really, but they're
really cool people.

1914
01:55:23,720 --> 01:55:25,720
But see the the reason that no,
the reason they're nice because

1915
01:55:25,720 --> 01:55:28,240
they're in, because they're in
the damn Cortland and everybody

1916
01:55:28,240 --> 01:55:32,120
hates the Cortland.
Oh wait, honey, what?

1917
01:55:32,120 --> 01:55:34,720
What track was that where you
had the snacks on the table?

1918
01:55:34,720 --> 01:55:38,280
Those are premium snacks.
That was.

1919
01:55:38,800 --> 01:55:42,440
Alternate history alternate.
Yeah, shut.

1920
01:55:42,520 --> 01:55:44,200
Out, shut out.
I.

1921
01:55:44,320 --> 01:55:49,720
Was like whoa, wait a second,
they had tweaks and sneaker bars

1922
01:55:49,720 --> 01:55:53,520
and pretzels and I was like what
is what is going on here?

1923
01:55:53,880 --> 01:55:55,520
And.
Then he refilled it while I was

1924
01:55:55,520 --> 01:55:58,440
standing there.
One particular track can I get

1925
01:55:58,440 --> 01:56:01,280
on?
This track they they also gave

1926
01:56:01,760 --> 01:56:04,440
thank you cards to all of their
panelists.

1927
01:56:04,440 --> 01:56:09,080
So when they set up our our
little name tags, they handed me

1928
01:56:09,080 --> 01:56:11,360
an envelope and it was a thank
you, Carson.

1929
01:56:11,360 --> 01:56:13,520
Thank you for participating on
our track.

1930
01:56:13,880 --> 01:56:17,520
And I mean, urban fantasy Carol
does that as well.

1931
01:56:17,520 --> 01:56:22,800
She has like little bite sized
candies on the tables, you know,

1932
01:56:22,800 --> 01:56:26,160
when you go in.
And so all of the tracks, they,

1933
01:56:26,200 --> 01:56:29,800
you know, they do sweet little
things like that for all of

1934
01:56:29,800 --> 01:56:33,000
their palace.
And it's cool because it's like,

1935
01:56:33,000 --> 01:56:37,080
yeah, you.
Feel like offer me water and

1936
01:56:37,080 --> 01:56:38,760
power aid.
That's nice.

1937
01:56:39,560 --> 01:56:42,080
Well, we see great.
Look, they.

1938
01:56:42,360 --> 01:56:46,120
Got the good stuff they got.
The good stuff, so thank.

1939
01:56:46,120 --> 01:56:48,280
You to all shout out to high
fantasy.

1940
01:56:49,440 --> 01:56:52,480
Yeah, high fantasy.
We're having Phantom Hybrid back

1941
01:56:52,480 --> 01:56:53,560
again.
Yeah, Jennifer.

1942
01:56:54,760 --> 01:56:57,160
Thank you, high Fantasy.
So thank you for all of those

1943
01:56:57,160 --> 01:57:00,080
tracks, for having us on your
panels.

1944
01:57:00,080 --> 01:57:05,000
We thoroughly enjoy it every
single year and we are looking

1945
01:57:05,000 --> 01:57:09,000
forward to whatever is coming in
2025.

1946
01:57:09,280 --> 01:57:11,400
But for now, that is it for our
show.

1947
01:57:11,680 --> 01:57:15,480
You can find us online at
www.phantomhybrid.com.

1948
01:57:15,480 --> 01:57:18,960
We are on social media on all
the social media at Phantom

1949
01:57:18,960 --> 01:57:21,200
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You can chat with us on our

1950
01:57:21,200 --> 01:57:23,760
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1951
01:57:23,760 --> 01:57:26,920
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1952
01:57:26,920 --> 01:57:29,760
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1953
01:57:30,080 --> 01:57:34,840
this is just a reminder you send
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1954
01:57:34,840 --> 01:57:38,840
But Michelle, Casey and I are
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1955
01:57:38,840 --> 01:57:42,040
Podcasting award and the
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1956
01:57:42,320 --> 01:57:45,800
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1957
01:57:45,800 --> 01:57:51,080
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1958
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01:57:55,080 --> 01:57:56,440
listening.
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