Agatha All Along, Part 1 (Episodes 1-5) - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #312

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What's up hybrids?
Welcome back to another episode

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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast.
This is Hanukkah and I am here

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with Anthony, Mike and Michelle
and we are discussing the 1st 5

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episodes of the Disney Plus
series.

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Agatha All along.
And it's been wild since we've

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been together on a podcast, I
think since before Dragon Con.

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How are you?
Guys doing.

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How's everybody doing?
Well, Michelle isn't under the

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weather, that's why her camera
is not on.

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But she wanted to be on this
episode to talk about Agatha.

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So how you guys doing?
I'm OK stressed out but I'm just

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waiting for the next time kind
of fall so I can relieve some

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stress that's.
Kind of a few.

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Weeks conjuration so.
Yeah.

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Agatha all along.
Let's talk about it, because.

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No, no, no.
No, you know what?

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OK.
Do you want to go positive or

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negative?
Yes, we're, I'm going to start

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with Mike because Mike has been,
I think out of the group, he has

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been the most enthusiastic about
this show.

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So we're going to start with him
and let everything jump off with

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a positive spin because I kind
of got a feeling how Anthony's

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gonna feel about this.
And I'm gonna be honest, I'm

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kind of on the fence as well.
So yeah, we're gonna start with

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the positive.
So Mike, shoot, what you

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thinking about Agatha so far?
So for those who don't know me,

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my name is Michael Collins and I
am a Marvel apologist.

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So OK, I'm not, I'm not a total
Marvel apologist because Secret

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Invasion suck now and there's no
saving that.

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But this show I absolutely love.
I'm I'm I was a fan of Katherine

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Han's portrayal of Agatha from
one division and she brought the

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same thing.
I understand why people were

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kind of put off by the first
episode because it's kind of, if

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you don't know the show Mayor of
East Town or you don't, you not

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into procedural cop dramas,
you're probably like, what the

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fuck is this shit?
And then they switch it in the

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middle.
But I thought that was genius.

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It's exactly the same thing that
they were doing in one division

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where they were going through
different time periods and

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different sitcoms and stuff like
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So they kind of started the same
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So I understood that and I
thought it was great, but I love

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her portrayal.
I love teen slash.

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We're not gonna, we're not gonna
get to that yet.

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Just teen.
Let's, let's, let's start there.

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OK, so we're talking about 5
episodes, so we gotta say

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something.
It's in the 5th.

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It's in the 5th episode, but OK
teen.

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I love teen.
I love his portrayal from when

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we were introduced to him.
The second episode was his.

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I loved how he helped to recruit
the coming.

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I thought that was great.
I love the coven Patti freaking

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Lupone.
I mean, how can you not love

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Patti Lupone getting her sign?
I can appreciate that.

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I, I love the whole coven.
I think that the way they're

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doing it is basically a witch's
escape room, and I'm here for it

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is, I mean, that's basically
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It's just, it's a, it's a really
big escape room for witches.

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That's what the richest Rd. is
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And the way they're going about
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I've been really appreciative of
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I love Aubrey Plaza.
I think, I think she's fucking

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hilarious, even though she's
supposed to be menacing at

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times.
I just think she's hilarious.

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I, I love her portrayal and for
everything I, I mean, I really

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like this.
And I'm not even really a

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musical like a musicals fan as
much as much as a lot of people

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are like musical musical
theater.

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People love this show, will
probably love this show because

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of all the musical tones and the
people that are in it and the

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way that they do it.
I really, really like this show.

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That's I mean, it's just, I, I
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to really explain it.
It's just I, I was, I was in

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from the first episode, OK.
Anthony, we're going to go with

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you.
Next Michelle Michelle's next.

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We're going to we're going to
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Michelle is a little bit more on
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she is on yours.
So we're going to balance it.

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So we got Mike.
So let's start with you.

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How how are you feeling about
Agatha all?

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Along look it's it it honestly,
it's not really negative.

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I mean, the show is just meh,
like there's it's not moving me.

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Like I, I watched mayor of East
Town and mayor of East Town was

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really, really good.
So I, I, I got it.

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But I mean, I like most of the
actors.

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Aubrey Plaza is amazing.
The her, her, she's, she's

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great.
Joe Locke is team, he's great.

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Not a big fan of Agatha at all.
The actress that didn't really

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care for her in one division
don't really care for her here

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either.
I think you just have, you're

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just having backlashes of.
You didn't let.

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Let him finish, Let him finish.
So the The thing is, she's she

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definitely can't carry the show
by herself.

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She can't.
So she's going to need a really

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good solid supporting cast, like
top notch.

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This has to be an ensemble show.
And I just don't think it works

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for me them as as an ensemble
cast because it focuses too much

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on her.
Like they try to give you a

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little bit of all the other
members of the ensemble, but

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it's not enough.
It just isn't it's, it's too

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much her, not enough everybody
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Right.
And then I know the title of the

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show is Agatha all along, but I
don't know if maybe it should

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have been called for witches
Rogue.

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It is some something else
because I, I don't know,

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Katherine Hahn, she's OK actress
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Like I said, I didn't really
care for what she did.

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In one division.
She was OK as a villain in one

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division.
She's sort of OK as an antihero.

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So the whole show is this sort
of like this OK so far, OK.

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First five episodes, I'm just
sitting there like, OK, yeah,

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that's cool.
That's nice.

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You know, I've done a lot of
research on magic and witches,

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warlocks, sorcerer's and all of
the above, and I just, I usually

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like shows like this, you know?
Charmed, right?

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You know, Discovery Witches,
this.

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Yeah, it was me.
It was like, yeah, it was like.

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And hey, I don't consider myself
a music theatre kid, but as a

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person who enjoys musicals but
despise.

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You gotta listen to his words.
He enjoys musicals.

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He does not like musical
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There's.
A difference Musical television

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episodes.
We've had this.

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Discussion before.
OK.

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All right.
OK.

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But I like musicals now.
I don't classify this shows for

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as a musical.
These episodes aren't really

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musical to me but I I understand
what Mike is saying.

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The music is good and I enjoy
the rendition of which is Rd.

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It was amazing.
Which one?

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Right, both.
Of them, actually, both of them.

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Are you kidding me?
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So, you know, those are my
highlights.

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OK, Michelle.
Replies in which is Rd. which?

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You got OK, so I'm on my side
with this and oh, I'm going to

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get some people when I say these
things, I have so much to say.

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OK, One, I am very grateful for
this show because it's given us

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back to when we had Wanda
Vision, when we had Falcon in

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The Winter Soldier, when we had
Moon Night Loki.

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Let's ignore Secret Invasion.
Let's ignore Echo.

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Let's ignore all those other
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This is on the same level as the
other shows.

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I'm sorry.
This is quality, friends.

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Quality.
OK, I am so sorry you don't like

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Agatha, but she is a perfect
Agatha.

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I love Catherine.
We love that this Agatha is not.

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She's not sorry for what she has
done.

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Hopefully she will start caring
about the people that surround

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her.
Hopefully maybe.

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But you know what if she doesn't
F them, you know what they

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should have not thrown their
magic together.

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She's great.
Of course I love Aubrey and

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anything that she does.
Shout out to the parks and Recs

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and especially the teen.
The teen is really playing it

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off, but this show has you
questioning things.

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It also has a musical aspect.
I love that each episode we kind

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of get into the history of one
of her covenants.

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So yeah, it's great even from
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she's under that spell.
And we had all those other

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different types of shows with
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We got the line order type show
here and it's absolutely

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perfect.
So I'm sorry, Hocus what that

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you didn't enjoy this and it's
lackluster even though those

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other shows were lackluster.
I've.

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Seen that?
Really.

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So much better That's.
My word.

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Lackluster.
I'm sorry, I am talking.

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I'm just saying it is not
lackluster.

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It's very rich, it's very
colorful and it's quality.

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It's it doesn't seem thrown
together as the other shows that

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we have to watch in the past
couple of years.

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That's all I'm saying.
It's in the same category of

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Secret Invasion.
No, it is not.

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I know it's not no.
Absolutely.

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No, it's not.
No, no, no, we're not going

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there.
It's not.

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And you know.
It's not right.

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This is literally a house
divided.

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It it really is, because my
opinion is Anthony almost took

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everything I had to say word for
word, even down to like, I

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literally said this to somebody
else and I didn't put it in the

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group chat because I knew what
kind of response it was going to

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get.
I said I was going to wait till

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we were on the show.
But yeah, it's, it's kind of

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there was Secret Invasion for
me, at least up until the last.

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Minute.
Of episode 5, Like, you know

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what, you know what, I'm going
to be honest going into the

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show.
Well, let's let's let's go all

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the way back to one division
coming out of one division kept

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with it.
I was like, oh, she's going to

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get her old show.
This is going to be cool.

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Then the years of waiting and
the multiple, the multiple title

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changes when you start going
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And we know this from what's
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You know, you, you have a
writer, you lose a writer, you

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have a director, you lose a
director, you get another

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writer, you lose him, you get
another director, you lose him.

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When you start having those
types of things happen, there's

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obviously a problem with the
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The show is not as strong or the
film is not as strong as it

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could be.
So I started getting these vibes

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about Agatha way before it
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So like all of the news that
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Comic Con with the promotion, I
was just kind of like, like, I

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wasn't excited.
I I wasn't doing what I usually

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do, which is like rushing to
YouTube to watch the trailer and

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analyze the trailer.
I didn't do any of that.

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I was just like, OK, I'm just
gonna wait till it comes out

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and, and, and see how I feel
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And I will say I think the best
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for me was when Agatha was
coming out of her spell and she

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started going through the
different iterations of herself

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from Wanda Vision.
That was perfect.

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Everything else felt so I don't
know, I guess I'm kind of like I

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kind of agree with Anthony as
far as Katherine Hahn, like I

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like what she did with the
character in one division, but

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as far as this show being about
her character mainly, I'm just

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not feeling it.
I don't I I'm really not that

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invested in Agatha as a
character.

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And I also feel like I feel like
she's over she's over playing it

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a little bit.
It's just for me, it just, it's

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really, I don't want to say
uncomfortable to watch, but it's

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not like my excitement comes
from when other people are on

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the screen.
And even then it's it's not all

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of them.
Teen is my absolute favorite

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character in the show.
And that was even for some

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reason, even before the show
aired, like something about Joe

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Locke and the way he looked even
in the promos, I was like, OK,

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I'm going to like this character
and just what we've seen from

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him in the 1st 5 episodes and
love this character.

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Aubrey Plaza.
I like her as an actress.

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I really don't see, I really
don't see what they're trying to

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do with her character here as
far as her and Agatha, because

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they start off the show making
it seem like they have some

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sexual tension between them.
Like there was a there's a pass

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between them.
OK, I get what it's supposed to

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read, but I don't I don't feel
the chemistry.

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I don't understand what her
character is supposed to

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supposed to be doing there aside
from creating chaos now that's

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all she's there for.
I'm here for it because she's

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very funny as a chaotic
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But this interspersing of this
supposed relationship with her

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and and Agatha, I'm not buying
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I don't feel the chemistry and
it's just like them going

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through the trials, finding out
about the other characters,

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finding out about their, you
know, their traumas and what's

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LED them to lose their magic.
That's just been more

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interesting to me.
And I don't know if it's just

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Agatha's portrayal.
I don't know if it's the fact

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that when you think about her
character, her character has

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been under Wanda spell in this
show for three years.

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The fact that the neighbors who
were so outraged that wanted to

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have them living under a spell,
they just, they just sat by and

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let this woman, you know, live
in the spell for three years.

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And I don't know, it's just
something about the show was not

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really clicking with me up until
like the last 10 minutes of the

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5th episode.
You, I mean, what were they

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supposed to do though?
Well, you said something,

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Hanukkah said something that I
think is key.

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The the title changed four times
in three years.

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Like they changed directors,
writers.

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And when you watch these first
five episodes, for me, what I

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see are several different ideas
that weren't fully developed and

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they all kind of got put
together in this show.

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So like I, I really would have
loved to have seen a show where

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this 500 year old witch loses
all her power, realizes that

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she's been under a spell from
this other witch for three years

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living in the fantasy, and now
she has to to go on a journey to

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get her power back.
But then you also got someone

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come in.
Let's shoehorn in your Billy and

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this you know the.
Well, it makes it interesting

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it.
Was it was all just interesting?

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Yeah, you are.
But you, yeah, you literally

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describing what you want is what
you just got.

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No, no, no, no big.
Deal.

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There was some extra fireworks,
too.

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He wasn't.
He wasn't done with his thought.

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OK, I'm so sad.
They didn't they?

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OK, well let me make it brief.
I'll make it plain they didn't

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need all the additional, the
additional Wanda stuff to make

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her character fully fleshed out.
You know, Marvel had been on a

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roll with dealing with
characters who have had trauma

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and dealing with that trauma and
dealing with the ramifications

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of things that's happened to
them.

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Here we have the characters in
the 1st 5 episodes who hasn't

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really said anything, thought
about it or done anything other

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than the first things I want to
do.

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I can get my power back.
Well, what about did you, did

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you not feel anything about what
happened to you, what was done

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to you, you know, like that?
That is what made, that's what

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made Falcon and Winter Soldier
interesting.

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The trauma that the two of them
felt.

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That's what made one division
interesting her, we realizing

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that she's trying to deal with
this trauma that she had.

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And I know we're not done with
the season yet.

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Maybe we're going to get it from
addict at some point, but we

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haven't gotten it now, right?
And maybe he.

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Won't same thing he's dealing
with the trauma of having to

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watch his best friend die and
then become a murderer and now

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having to live a regular life
again and then dealing with the

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ramifications of the things that
he did coming back on him and

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how it affects other people in
his life.

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So we have all the oh guy Oh.
OK, OK.

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Yeah, but Agatha does have some,
but it's not dealing with Wanda.

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That's not what her issues are.
But.

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That's what I'm saying is.
She may not have.

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She's been through, he's been.
Through why not Michelle?

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They have.
Finished that talk it it's

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there, but it's like all of it
is kind of surface level.

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It's like mentioned, it's talked
about but it's not really dealt

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with and it's not really a part
in interwoven into the story.

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It's I feel like it's kind of
like throwing teen into the mix

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and then them mentioning the
circumstances about her son or

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just the fact that, oh, it's
rumored that she she killed her

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son or she gave up her son and
you see these little bits and

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glimpses of her trying to
ignore.

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Whatever it is that that
happened with her son or you see

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her kind of acknowledging it a
little bit, but I feel like what

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the show was trying to do, they
were trying to make it seem like

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Teen might have been her son.
And then we realized he's not

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her son.
And then we get the reveal that

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he's Billy Maximoff towards the
end of this 5th episode.

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And it's just kind of like, what
were you guys really trying to

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do?
Because the thing that was so

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weird about the 5th episode,
when that reveal came through,

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everybody was so surprised.
Everybody was shocked.

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Oh my God, the big reveal.
And I was like, did we not

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already know that this was
Billy?

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Because literally from when Joe
Locke was cast and I saw him, he

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looked like he could have been
the older version of the the

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actor who played younger Billy.
So I always thought that that

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was a known thing.
And so when the reveal came for

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me, it was very anti climactic
because I was like, we didn't

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notice already, even though I
know what the show was trying to

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do.
But it just, it never felt like,

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oh, OK, we're going to misdirect
people, make them think this is

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Agatha's son when it's really
Wanda's son.

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And it just, it fell flat with
me.

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Let me hold on, let me see.
Let me one more thing, one more

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thing, and then I'll back out
and I'll step out.

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The two most interesting things
about Agatha is that one, the

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reason why she is the way she is
is because her mother tried to

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sacrifice her and that was when
she discovered her powers, OK,

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and she murdered the entire
coven.

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The second most interesting
thing about her is that she

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sacrificed her son in exchange
for the dark hole.

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Those are very 2 powerful
motivators and drivers for a

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character that you could have
explored to no end on the show

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about her.
That's why I thought, well,

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well, I forgot what the first
title was.

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Like Agatha House of Darkness or
the House of of Harkness.

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Yeah, of it.
Of darkness.

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That's what the show could have
been about.

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Like that's, you know, exploring
more of that and the

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ramifications of those things.
That's all I'm saying.

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Like I, I would have wanted more
depth.

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And that's pretty colors and
pretty costumes and pretty sets

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and nice music.
Give me an actual story with

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some depth to it.
OK, I'm going to equate this to

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my feelings about She Hope
versus a lot of people's

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feelings about She Hope.
A lot of people don't like She

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Hope because of the CGII
completely basically ignored the

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CGI and watched it for the
dialogue and everything else and

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I enjoyed it.
I don't think that this show

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needs to be penalized for Disney
and Marvel fumbling the name,

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fumbling everything that they
fumble, not even having to do

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with this show, but having to do
with everything else.

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Before this show, while they're
filming this show and after the

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show that happened where they've
had to push stuff back, cancel

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stuff, do all this other
shuffling, it just became a

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victim of that.
I don't think this show needs to

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be a victim of everything that
is surfacely happening to it.

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And I think as opposed to the
thing that it's underneath that

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is going on underneath,
underneath it in the show,

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because I like the show in the
show.

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I've been looking forward just
like you.

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I've been looking forward to
this show ever since they

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announced that they were doing
it.

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I don't give a fuck what the
title is.

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They could have been like, you
could, they could have just

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said, here's Agatha.
And I've been like, OK, cool,

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run it.
But it's like, I understand what

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you're saying.
Like like if you keep putting

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stuff off and changing it,
putting stuff off and changing.

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It's just like that boys episode
where they they were talking

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about the show that had like 7
reshoots and it's like a

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multibillion dollar, billion
dollar budget.

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Like it blew up and stuff.
It's just like, you know, it

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just keeps going and going.
I get that, but I like the show

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for what it is.
It's just like I like, she hopes

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what it is.
I like Miss Marvel for what it

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is.
It's like I like all these shows

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for what they are, except for
Secret Invasion.

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But I'm stop shitting on it.
This I I can appreciate.

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I can appreciate the things in
the show that I really like.

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I I mean, they've touched on the
what she did with her son,

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exchanging him for the dark
hold.

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They've touched on all the stuff
that she's done.

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And again, there are three more
episodes to go.

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There's a whole double episode
right for Halloween that we're

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gonna there are two episodes
that gonna be on Halloween.

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There's a whole lot of stuff and
four more episodes.

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So there's and there's two
episodes are one in one day

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right before Halloween or on
Halloween.

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We're going to get risked.
We still have a lot of lot of

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show to go through before we say
that they haven't really fleshed

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out the character.
I agree that a lot of shows need

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to flesh out the characters
early on, like second, third

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episode.
They need to flesh out things so

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that people know what they're
getting into.

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But that's not how the show
goes.

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And I appreciate the way that
they've they've actually done

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it.
And I know it's not for

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everybody.
And I, and I can appreciate that

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because I mean, a lot of people
yourselves included, a lot of

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other people whose opinion I
value have told me similar

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things.
And I can appreciate that.

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And I understand why you won't
like why people wouldn't like

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the show because of certain
things that have.

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Fallen on.
Like, hold on, hold on.

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I think you understand what
Hanukkah and I are saying.

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The things that happened with
the the name changing and the

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writers changing, those are,
those are what we have.

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What we watch is a direct result
of all the things that are

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happening beforehand.
I'm not penalizing the show

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because the show changed the
name.

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I'm saying that that is evidence
that the reason why I the show

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is the way it is, the reason why
the writing is so lackluster,

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the reason why they have all
these good ideas that aren't

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fully fleshed out is because
they kept changing writers.

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And anyone who knows anything
about a show changing writers,

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as much TV as we watched, you
know that when a new writer

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comes on, things change,
characters die, ideas change,

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things get abandoned.
So hey, this is a cool idea

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where this could be her son that
she exchanged for the dark hole

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and maybe he's this is a revenge
thing for him.

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If they're like, no, we don't
like that new writer comes on,

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Oh well, well, we've already got
all this done.

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Let's just make him want the
Maximoff son instead of her son.

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So on the show, you're watching
it and a lot of it's like, oh,

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OK, that might be her son.
And then they're like, and then

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they change.
It's not her son.

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OK, well, was that like a false
flag or something?

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So these are things that we feel
watching the show based on the

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writing and the writing is the
way it is because the writers

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kept changing, ideas kept
changing.

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So these are not, we're not
penalizing it because the

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00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,040
writers changed.
We're penalizing it because they

449
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,320
did a crappy job of writing the
shit that they put on the

450
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,680
screen.
And I'm not going to see here

451
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,680
and be like, oh.
Yeah, it's kind.

452
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:34,040
Of harsh.
It is harsh.

453
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,080
But you know what?
Mike has pushed me.

454
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,840
He pushed.
Me, I know, but I feel like it's

455
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:40,200
hard.
But some of the things.

456
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,080
In the show because they changed
title and writers.

457
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:47,400
No, the show is oh God, I it is.
Not it is not I mean, I'm so

458
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,400
sorry for all the stuff that we
have watched.

459
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:53,440
It is not crappy I.
Said it is OK, it's better than

460
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,480
Secret Invasion, It is OK, but
I'm just saying.

461
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,560
But not much, Not at.
Least for me, No.

462
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:01,520
No.
But no you.

463
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:05,480
Got I'm saying and a good
soundtrack and you got piss poor

464
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,480
writing.
You know, you you got really bad

465
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:13,360
writing and there's an actor on
there who really they probably

466
00:28:13,360 --> 00:28:14,720
should.
I don't know why they cast

467
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,880
actor.
They didn't need Comic Relief.

468
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:18,600
Move on.
Like what?

469
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,880
Are you talking about this year?
I'm not, I'm not saying anything

470
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,720
about anyone because I'm not
going to point out a particular

471
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:30,480
actor for being bad, but we had
a lot of high hopes and

472
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,520
expectations for this show.
And also, I'm going to get on

473
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,720
you.
People didn't like she Hope

474
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:39,040
because the CGI was bad.
People didn't like she hope

475
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:42,560
because it was that was trashed.
The writing on that show was

476
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:46,440
terrible.
Everything about this bad, you

477
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:51,280
know, and it has nothing to do
with bad CGI.

478
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,040
The bad we can.
Discuss that, we can discuss

479
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,120
that on a separate show and I'll
be I'll be more than happy to

480
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:57,840
argue with.
You so we're not going to.

481
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,760
So what we're not going to do is
we're not going to have people

482
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,640
did not have their opinions
because if I say, well, I like

483
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,560
the show.
I'm not I'm not saying you're.

484
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,120
Nothing.
No, you, you literally said that

485
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,640
we are talking about we are
penalizing the show because of

486
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,000
things that happened behind the
scenes.

487
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:17,280
I can tell you if I had not
known about anything that

488
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,440
happened behind the scenes, I
didn't really think about the

489
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,880
title change until tonight.
But you know what?

490
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:23,880
The writing is bad.
I could write.

491
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,280
I'm sorry.
I do agree that I'm sorry.

492
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:28,320
I think it did influence you to
be.

493
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:30,960
It didn't influence me.
I didn't even know that.

494
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:37,120
I mean unconsciously,
unconsciously it actually does.

495
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,960
That is for any show that we
ever watch, unconsciously we

496
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,640
will have a little bit of a bias
going in because we know of all

497
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:54,160
the issues and it's OK.
I'm not saying it's a bad thing,

498
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:58,560
I'm just saying it's OK going in
without knowing.

499
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:04,560
Read enough books you can tell
change and get abandoned because

500
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:12,920
they weren't working or.
Because everybody else has been

501
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:16,360
talking, Let me, let me, let me
say what I'm feeling about this

502
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:17,840
show.
Because.

503
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,360
The problem?
That I've been able to the

504
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:25,280
problem that I have and I'm I'm
going back to the fan because

505
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,520
because of what Mike said, it
has nothing to do with it.

506
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,040
The title changes, the writing
changes, whatever.

507
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:35,520
I have a problem with it because
the story is not cohesive.

508
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:40,480
You have a story that's supposed
to be about Agatha and and

509
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,920
whatever her journey is to get
down the rich's witch's road.

510
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,320
OK, I get that.
But the problem is you bring in

511
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:53,160
these other witches and you only
kind of sort of tell us what

512
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:57,160
their trauma is before you kill
the the the witches off.

513
00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:02,800
I think the one that we really
got the the back story of was

514
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,120
the witch whose mom sang the
album.

515
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,720
You get a little bit more of her
back story in these first five

516
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,680
episodes, but the rest of them,
you don't really get to know

517
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:17,160
them and what their purpose is
before they die.

518
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:24,320
And you know, Imam Vilani, who
plays, who plays Miss Marvel,

519
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:29,000
she did an interview and she
made this statement.

520
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:33,960
And I think it's so very true.
She says that the MCU needs to

521
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:39,120
go back to focusing on getting
us to care about the characters.

522
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,720
And I really think that's one of
the problems with this show.

523
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,280
I really don't care about
Agatha's character.

524
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,240
I don't care.
Like you haven't given me enough

525
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:53,080
in five episodes to make me
really want to know what exactly

526
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:56,320
happened, why her mom hate hated
her so much.

527
00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:01,000
I mean, she asked her mom in in
what the episode 4, episode 5,

528
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:05,480
she asked her mom like why?
Why she doesn't get an answer.

529
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:11,800
We again, you give us these
other witches, you give us a

530
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:13,920
little bit of the back story
when they're walking through the

531
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,320
different trials and they see
the different things that are

532
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,280
affecting them, but we don't
really know what those things

533
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,040
mean.
And it's like now they're dead.

534
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:28,520
So do I even care?
And I just feel like this show

535
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:35,000
is doing so much to try to tie
this show, this character back

536
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:39,440
to one division and then
probably tying it to whatever

537
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:43,480
else is coming up.
And I think with the Marvel

538
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:48,320
films, the Marvel shows, one of
the things that we were so

539
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,360
excited about in the beginning
is the fact that all of these

540
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:55,680
shows have links to each other
and they tell a bigger story.

541
00:32:56,080 --> 00:33:01,400
The problem is they're now
focused so much on making sure

542
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:05,040
everything fits that it just
kind of feels like they're just

543
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,840
giving us stuff.
We really didn't need Secret

544
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:12,320
Invasion because, I mean, nobody
really liked it.

545
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:16,960
This show, like I said, for me,
it's kind of down there with

546
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,960
Secret Invasion.
I feel no, I feel no connection

547
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,320
to Agatha.
I feel no connection to the

548
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:24,440
other characters except maybe
Teen.

549
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:30,320
And that's only because I had my
suspicions before who Teen was.

550
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:34,280
So now I want the story of how
he is, where he is now.

551
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,960
That's the only thing I care
about with this show, Harry

552
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:42,160
point blank has nothing to do
with them changing the title.

553
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:43,920
It like you said, my it could be
here.

554
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,480
Here's Agatha.
You're not giving us here's

555
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:52,560
Agatha, you're giving us Agatha
and her walking around with this

556
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:57,240
this, you know, fake gravitize
that she's like this bad bitch

557
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,960
witch and you know, oh, I did
this and I killed this many

558
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,280
witches and I'm the most
powerful and blah, blah, blah.

559
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,440
So and that's just kind of how I
feel about it.

560
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:13,280
Like I said up until the last 10
minutes of Episode 5, but that

561
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,280
had to do more with figuring out
who Billy is.

562
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:21,800
It just.
Is OK, first of all, I want to

563
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:25,960
say that I did say I, I, I
respect everybody.

564
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:30,000
I listed everybody's opinion and
I respect it and I respect your

565
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,040
opinion and I respect your
opinion.

566
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,880
So I don't want to make it seem
like I'm dismissing anyone's

567
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,560
opinion about this show or any
other show.

568
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,199
I'm just trying to, I'm trying
to put forward my point of view.

569
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:48,159
Her Agatha's mother did say in
episode 4 when she possessed her

570
00:34:48,159 --> 00:34:50,840
that she she could, that her
mother could tell that she was

571
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:52,840
even when she came out of her
and that she should have killed

572
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,239
her then.
So she so she's still kind of

573
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:55,880
alluding.
To it.

574
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,320
How fucked up was that?
Yeah, that was fucked up, but

575
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,760
that mean that that's basically
a reason like she sure her

576
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,800
reason is that she that she felt
like she was evil when she gave

577
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,160
birth to her.
So that's why she was trying to

578
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:10,160
she probably has been neglecting
her and trying to kill her most

579
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:11,840
of her life.
So my.

580
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,240
Question with that is, so whose
fault is that?

581
00:35:14,240 --> 00:35:17,520
Is that Agatha's fault as a
baby, or was that the mom's

582
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,600
fault you?
No but no but it's but it's no I

583
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,440
agree but it's still but it
still it still gives motivation

584
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,080
for the mother as to why she's
being why she's treating her

585
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:29,040
like that.
Also if most people didn't know

586
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:33,160
that that teen was Billy by the
end of episode after the after

587
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:37,640
episode 4 when when Rio told her
that it wasn't her son, there

588
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:39,400
are only 2 two people that it
could have been.

589
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,600
This whole show everybody knew
that teen was either one or two

590
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,080
people who's either Nicholas
Scratch or he was Billy Maxima.

591
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,440
There's no in between.
There's no one else that he

592
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,840
could have been.
So I suspect he was Billy from

593
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:52,600
episode 2 when the sigil was on
him.

594
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,400
That's why I thought I thought
someone put a sigil on to

595
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,960
protect him from Agatha finding
out and doing something to him

596
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:00,720
because of how she treated
Agatha.

597
00:36:00,720 --> 00:36:02,720
So I pretty much assumed as he
was Billy.

598
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:07,040
Plus he looked like the Billy in
the Young Avengers, the way he

599
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,440
had his hair, the way his hair
was and stuff like that.

600
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,920
He kind of looked like him in
the comic version of him.

601
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:16,600
So I kind of figured I was kind
of figuring he was really from

602
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:18,040
when I was first introduced to
him.

603
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:23,680
But after, after Rio said that
that's not your son, you were

604
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,680
like, oh, well, I didn't
necessarily think that she was

605
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:28,120
doing that just to hurt her
feelings.

606
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:31,040
I think she was doing it to to
be like, hey, calm your ass

607
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:32,840
down.
That's not who that is.

608
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,760
I think that at that point I was
like, oh, well, that's Billy

609
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:38,760
then.
OK, cool, moving on.

610
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,320
But then, I mean, I got a shout
out.

611
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,960
I got a shout out to writers
for, well, whoever or the

612
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:50,080
creators, the producers, whoever
had the idea to put you should

613
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:53,600
See me in a crown after they put
the crown on Billy at the end of

614
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:55,680
Episode 5.
I was.

615
00:36:55,680 --> 00:37:00,400
That was amazing.
That was that was a very well

616
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:04,120
placed.
The music 111 of the best beat

617
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,920
drops I've ever heard I've ever
seen in my life.

618
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:10,480
Like I was like like this one of
the best, one of the best things

619
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:14,400
I was just, I was floored.
I literally was watching it in

620
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,640
my room.
As soon as soon as that beat

621
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:21,600
hit, I was like I yelled and I
swear everybody fucking heard

622
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,200
me.
I I saw lights come on across

623
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,280
the way because I was yelling so
loud.

624
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,920
I was just like, but yeah, I
just want, I won't give, I won't

625
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,720
give them their props for that
because that was well fucking

626
00:37:31,720 --> 00:37:34,160
done.
And I think that for a lot of

627
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,840
people, such as yourself, I
think that's a good way to get

628
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:40,560
people who are kind of falling
off, falling off watching it.

629
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:44,200
And kind of like, I don't know,
but like the reveal, like, oh, I

630
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:48,120
knew it, but then kind of
pumping it up like that kind of

631
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,640
gets people back into it.
I.

632
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,480
Mean, like I said, that was that
was when I started getting

633
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,160
excited.
I was like, oh, oh, OK, this

634
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,440
what we doing OK, because it
wasn't just the reveal.

635
00:38:00,240 --> 00:38:05,960
It was like it was confirming
again, confirming something that

636
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,400
I already knew or I already
felt.

637
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,760
But then when you put the music
behind it, it just took it to a

638
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:15,360
whole different level.
And then not only that, Joe

639
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:19,760
Lock, I'm I'm not familiar with
anything he has done before

640
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,000
this, if he has done anything
before this.

641
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:28,880
But when I say the whole
demeanor change with him once

642
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:32,440
you get that reveal, like all
the way up through the end of

643
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:37,280
that fifth episode until what's
her name dies, Alice dies.

644
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:45,040
He's like this bubbly, you know,
kind of happy go lucky, charmful

645
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:48,920
charm, you know, charmful
teenage guy.

646
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:54,600
And it's like you really again.
He did draw parallels to Billy

647
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,200
Maximoff for me from what we saw
in One Division.

648
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:01,480
And then it's like after Alice
dies and he starts going off on

649
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,400
Agatha about who she is and what
she's done.

650
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:09,000
And then you see the change into
who he has become Once she it's

651
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,720
like almost like she once she
says you are just like your

652
00:39:12,720 --> 00:39:15,680
mother.
It's like that was the key that

653
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,720
unlocked who he really was.
And his whole face changed.

654
00:39:18,720 --> 00:39:21,880
The I mean, he doesn't even look
the same.

655
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,360
Like his features looked more
mature.

656
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:28,440
They got darker.
And it was just like, oh, OK, so

657
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,160
now we're about to get the real
show.

658
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,920
That's how I felt watching.
It and I feel again.

659
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:36,640
Up through that, I was just kind
of like.

660
00:39:37,720 --> 00:39:42,080
And I feel like that was there
from the beginning because to be

661
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:45,920
honest with you, let's honestly
say, will we be interested if it

662
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,320
really was Act of the Sun?
I would be.

663
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:50,640
I would be because I I want to
know what I.

664
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:52,160
Would actually still be
interested, you know.

665
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:55,080
Especially because which one's
more interesting?

666
00:39:55,440 --> 00:40:00,520
The parallel with with her and
the dark of the dark cold and

667
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:05,800
then we see Wanda like it.
It's an interesting comparison.

668
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,480
If we believe what they're
saying in the 1st 5 episodes

669
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:14,920
about Agatha, Wagatha gave up
her child or sacrifice her child

670
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,640
in order to get the dark hold in
his powers.

671
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:22,720
Wanda is using the dark hold in
his powers to try to get back

672
00:40:22,720 --> 00:40:25,720
her children.
So I think that I think that

673
00:40:25,720 --> 00:40:29,160
that in a sense is a very
interesting.

674
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:33,960
Contrast And so I want to know
the story about Agatha and her

675
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,320
son more than I want to know any
of this other stuff that they've

676
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:41,240
shown us in the 1st 5 episodes.
And what makes it even deeper is

677
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:46,080
the how it's related to her
mother and what her mother did

678
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:49,840
to her.
And then you have what her

679
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,840
mother was doing to her, and
then when she turned around and

680
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:56,640
did to her son, that to me is a.
Right.

681
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:58,920
And I don't, I don't that's what
she did.

682
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,680
Is is very was a very compelling
story.

683
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,760
It is a compelling story, but
it's even more compelling to

684
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:10,400
have team there because then you
grifle with what if I made

685
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,800
different changes to still have
my son here and all that Wanda

686
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,520
did to get her son to be
actualized.

687
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,000
So you heard going back and
forth.

688
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:22,840
So it is actually a little bit
more complex with having this

689
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:27,520
boy here who is not your son and
trying to come to the fact that,

690
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:31,000
yeah, I'm 350 years old, what
could I have done differently?

691
00:41:31,720 --> 00:41:35,360
And I'm still dealing with, I'm
still dealing with mom trauma.

692
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:39,920
So honestly being under Wanda
spell and everything that

693
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:44,240
happened with three years, that
is a a a dime in a bucket

694
00:41:44,240 --> 00:41:48,200
compared to all the things that
she has dealt with over the last

695
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:51,760
350 years.
And I think if they focused on

696
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:55,440
the story more for that, I would
be more into it.

697
00:41:55,760 --> 00:42:00,360
But I, I understand the need for
her to have a coven.

698
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,840
I understand that.
But you're bringing in these

699
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:08,920
other characters who we're only
getting a part of the story as

700
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:13,240
far as what they contribute and
why they are there and then

701
00:42:13,240 --> 00:42:17,240
they're killed off.
So it's kind of like you're OK.

702
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:21,320
I'm a, I'm a compared like this
Michelle to The Walking Dead.

703
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,480
You give us these characters
that are interesting and that

704
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,520
could have more to contribute to
the story, but before they even

705
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:31,680
get like a foot good on the
ground, you're yanking them away

706
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:33,760
from us.
And I feel like if that's what

707
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:39,880
you're going to do, you could
have done more with their story

708
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,640
or you could give us more on the
Agatha story.

709
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:46,240
Like I know they have Rio in
there to kind of tie her past to

710
00:42:46,240 --> 00:42:50,000
her present.
But again, I just kind of feel

711
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:54,080
like it's just, I almost feel
like they're just trying to

712
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:57,520
check the, oh, let's have a get.
Let's have a gay or lesbian

713
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:03,280
character box because you're
giving us the the implications

714
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:07,440
that they were once a couple,
but you never really see it go

715
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:12,800
past a certain a certain point.
And it's just like, does this

716
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:14,600
have anything to do with the
story?

717
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,520
I don't have a problem with them
having gay characters.

718
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:21,440
We've said this a bunch of
times, but make it feel natural.

719
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,800
Don't make it feel forced.
And for me, it kinds it.

720
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:28,120
It kind of feels forced.
Like what is the whole purpose

721
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:31,200
of that relationship and how
does it relate to the story?

722
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:36,480
Unless Rio had something to do
with her son's whatever she did

723
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,080
with her son, which she hinted
at.

724
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:41,200
I'm.
Tired of the hints.

725
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:45,840
Give me the story and I yes, I
realized what Mike said.

726
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:47,880
We do still have four more
episodes.

727
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:49,960
Maybe things will get better
then.

728
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:53,400
But one of the things we've
always talked about, especially

729
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:56,520
Anthony and I, when we were on
Sci-fi Party Line and there were

730
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,680
certain shows that we were like,
we don't know if we want to

731
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:01,840
watch this.
You got to give the shows at

732
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:06,520
least 4 episodes to kind of set
the pace, set the characters,

733
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:09,920
set the foundation of what we're
going, you know, what of the

734
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:11,200
journey that we're going to be
on.

735
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:13,640
And then it usually starts
getting better.

736
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,880
The fact that it was almost the
end of the fifth episode and I

737
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,600
was just still like, do I even
want to finish this season?

738
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:24,440
That's disappointing for me as a
Marvel fan, as an MCU fan, ask

739
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:28,560
somebody who is one of the
biggest proponents of oh, I like

740
00:44:28,720 --> 00:44:32,040
when these stories tie into each
other.

741
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:35,560
I like seeing how the story
flows.

742
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,800
I'm just not really getting that
with this show, except for the

743
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:42,360
parts when she has to deal with
Teen.

744
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:45,080
And I'm just to the point where
I'm like, just make it a Agatha

745
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:47,760
and Teen show and give us the
story from there.

746
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:51,320
I really don't need all the
other stuff.

747
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:55,080
I understand the importance of
The Witch's Road is going to

748
00:44:55,080 --> 00:45:00,440
give them what they want, but
now Sharon is dead, Alice is

749
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:06,720
dead, Jen is dead, and Patty.
'S Lila Lila.

750
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:10,280
Yes, yeah.
And and I and I agree.

751
00:45:10,720 --> 00:45:14,600
I agree with that part.
I that that is the only problem

752
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,800
I do have with it.
I totally agree with that 'cause

753
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:21,240
I, I, and that's what I'm
thinking.

754
00:45:21,240 --> 00:45:23,920
So I totally agree with that,
'cause, you know, I hate that on

755
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:25,440
The Walking Dead when they do
that.

756
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:29,160
So this is, this is the part
that I do have a negative on.

757
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,800
Because you did have us kind of
invest in it and each episode

758
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:37,440
was clearly about them and their
past and rediscovering

759
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:40,800
themselves for them to die the
next episode.

760
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:43,640
I did.
I'm just hopeful that maybe

761
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:48,520
towards the end we get a you
have to make a decision and

762
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:50,960
they're in a holding place
because this is just the richest

763
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:55,440
road and this is just a let's
see what you do type of thing.

764
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:57,440
And they're they're not really
they.

765
00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:58,760
It's another.
Trial.

766
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:03,360
Yeah, I'm hoping so.
I'm, I'm just, I really hope if

767
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:07,040
it is not and we had the, we're
talking about this and the next

768
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:10,720
time we talk about it and they
clearly are very, very dead,

769
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:16,920
then I will be on your side
because I totally agree to that.

770
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:21,080
So I want to, I want to go back
to something Michelle said.

771
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:27,160
Like I totally see what you mean
by it being a compelling story

772
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:32,000
if it is in fact if if he him
being Wanda's son.

773
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:37,600
But for me to be really invested
in the character of Agatha,

774
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:42,480
Wanda is dead.
Wanda's story, as far as we

775
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:43,400
know, has.
Ended.

776
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:47,040
I hope not.
So they they don't, they don't

777
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:48,160
have.
To, but I mean they don't know

778
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:49,160
I.
Mean well, she.

779
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:53,520
Was in.
Well, for for the purpose.

780
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:58,560
She got a facelift, OK.
And somebody else, for the

781
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,720
purposes of the current story,
Wanda is dead.

782
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:07,440
Like they, they made a claim in
in the first episode that that's

783
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,080
one, Wanda's dead, right?
She's gone.

784
00:47:10,720 --> 00:47:16,040
And something else, I think, I
don't know if it was Hanukkah

785
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:18,200
setting up things for the
future.

786
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:22,480
We know they're going to do
Young Avengers, and here's a way

787
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:27,760
to introduce Wiccan so they can
have him for Young Avengers, but

788
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:31,800
they don't want to put the work
in in building that character up

789
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:34,840
in Young Avengers.
So they're taking all these

790
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:38,400
shortcuts and introducing all
these characters and other

791
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:42,360
shows, creating storylines for
them for them to be in another

792
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:45,040
property.
So, you know, Hanukkah, I

793
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:48,240
laughed when you talked about
all these things being connected

794
00:47:48,240 --> 00:47:52,920
and we all got excited about
this, all these shows, movies.

795
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:57,920
I was, I don't think I was one
excited for that because I'm a

796
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:01,560
proponent that the TV shows,
they were, they were going to

797
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:03,120
try.
And you know what?

798
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:07,680
They fucked up because they did
exactly what everybody wanted

799
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:11,240
them to do.
The movies and TV shows are all

800
00:48:11,240 --> 00:48:14,560
intertwined and related.
And now we got this big mess.

801
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,200
You know, we got this big mess
because they didn't keep the

802
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:21,040
wall, they didn't keep the
movies separate from the TV

803
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:23,560
shows.
They didn't do the TV shows like

804
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:27,480
one shots like the comic books
do before the movie comes out.

805
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:32,200
They do a one shot issue or
three series limited issue

806
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:35,480
before the movie comes out.
That's what the TV show should

807
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:37,760
have been.
But now they've interwoven it

808
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:41,240
all and that was like 1 big mess
and they got a lot of crap all

809
00:48:41,240 --> 00:48:45,360
over the place because the
number of people involved is

810
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:47,040
astronomical.
Yeah.

811
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:50,320
That's the problem, and it's
terrible and it's a problem

812
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:53,720
because they got away from it.
They got away from this idea

813
00:48:53,720 --> 00:48:56,840
that we're just going to fill in
the gaps.

814
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:02,320
You know, they went from filling
in the gaps to actually creating

815
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:05,960
structure and trying to connect
everything and trying to.

816
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:09,880
We got to spend so much time
setting up things for the future

817
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:13,400
and setting up things for the
movies, setting up things for

818
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:16,680
this and setting up things for
other TV shows that you lose

819
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:21,080
track of focusing on the show in
front of you, focusing on the

820
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:25,520
characters in front of you.
So yes, I thought it would have

821
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:31,320
been more compelling if her son
came back, the son that she

822
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:35,200
sacrificed to get the dark cold.
Now that the dark cold is gone,

823
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:39,280
anything related to dark cold,
it's kind of been released and

824
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:44,120
he's come back and he wants his
revenge and she has to deal with

825
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:45,000
that.
Could be next season.

826
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:50,920
I thought that would have been
that could be next season, but

827
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:56,720
but what you that's not what you
gave us is the introduction of a

828
00:49:56,720 --> 00:49:59,240
character that's going to be
young Avengers that that's what

829
00:49:59,240 --> 00:50:03,320
you gave us.
And, and and you sacrifice a lot

830
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:06,920
of what you could have invested
in the character of Agatha

831
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:10,560
Harkness, which maybe a lot of
us were excited about the show,

832
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:13,840
about her.
And we've got, you know, would

833
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:17,240
have liked to have known more
about her and maybe building a

834
00:50:17,240 --> 00:50:20,680
covenant again and trying to
discover, figure out how to get

835
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:22,520
her power.
She's the only known witch that

836
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:25,760
survived the witch's rogue.
Let's let's explore that.

837
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:26,960
But.
We are.

838
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:31,280
We still have more episodes.
It seemed like, it sounds like

839
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:35,000
to me, it seemed like she must
be lying because she seemed to

840
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:37,000
not really know what the fuck is
going on.

841
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:42,000
So you know what I mean.
Or, or she's literally setting

842
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,520
all these witches up because she
wanted to steal their powers.

843
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:49,360
So is this a power play for her?
There's so many things that they

844
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:53,800
could have done just to focus on
her, but they wanted to invest

845
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:57,560
some time in this other
character who could be her son,

846
00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:01,440
who might be Wanda's son.
And everybody kind of knows it's

847
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:05,080
Billy Maximoff that's weekend,
because we all know he's going

848
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:07,520
to be Young Avengers.
We don't all know.

849
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:11,960
That that's not.
Oh, come on.

850
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:14,720
OK, Yeah.
No, we don't all know that.

851
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:18,080
If you listen to this show, you
know you do.

852
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:21,120
Now, but you wouldn't, I mean,
to be completely honest, because

853
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:25,040
you know, I don't.
I focus on one thing at a time.

854
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:28,720
So if I didn't, you just told me
something that I didn't know.

855
00:51:28,720 --> 00:51:31,760
So not everyone knows that.
Oh, come on, We talked about it

856
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:38,880
because we talked about.
Yeah, we talked about him, but

857
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:44,240
I'm just saying like, yeah, but
knowing now, I didn't know.

858
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:49,320
I didn't know he was.
So to me, I'm thinking that

859
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:51,600
we're focusing on him.
You're giving them credit that

860
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:54,440
they're doing this set up Young
Avengers, but I'm thinking their

861
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:57,680
continuous story that we
actually was interested in how

862
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:02,200
we really felt horrible about
Wanda after Doctor Strange and

863
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:04,960
what happened to her.
And like we always say, if you

864
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,960
don't see a body, no one is
completely dead.

865
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:11,680
I need to see a body before I
say Wanda is dead.

866
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:16,080
Yeah, and I, I agree because my,
my thing is one thing that we've

867
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:21,200
always learned about magic and
witches and spells, usually the

868
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:26,040
witch that cast the spell, if
they die, the spell goes away.

869
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:30,360
Agatha had to fight her way out
of that spell, and she had help

870
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:35,120
to do it.
So that in and of itself does

871
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:38,440
not, does not make me think that
Wanda is dead.

872
00:52:38,720 --> 00:52:44,360
And I mean, I've even said that
after Doctor Strange Multiverse

873
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:48,240
of Madness, you know, when we
see the the, when we see The

874
00:52:48,240 --> 00:52:54,480
Cave and the the Cliff collapse,
you see that red light in there?

875
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:58,920
I don't think she's dead, but.
Of course, here's here's a deep

876
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:01,360
pet.
Chaos magic works a little

877
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:04,800
different different than all the
other types of magic.

878
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:08,320
Chaos magic is a bit more
persistent and a bit more

879
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:11,840
powerful.
Just I mean, I know they don't

880
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:16,680
follow the comic books strictly,
but Wanda, the type of magic

881
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:22,480
Wanda does, alternative
probabilities and stuff makes it

882
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:28,480
really difficult for for you for
because we haven't, I don't

883
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:31,760
think we've had her die in the
comic books, so we really

884
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,680
wouldn't know.
But the other people that have

885
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:37,200
done chaos magic and their
spells persist.

886
00:53:37,720 --> 00:53:41,520
So yeah, the chaos magic is a
little different.

887
00:53:41,720 --> 00:53:44,680
But you are right about most
other forms of magic.

888
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:47,920
When the witch dies or Castor
dies, the spell goes away.

889
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:52,040
Same thing with Doctor Strange,
you know all the sorcerer

890
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:55,160
screams the same thing.
But chaos magic is a little

891
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:58,400
weird and a little different.
OK, OK, real quick.

892
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:02,800
I don't, I don't know, Michelle,
I don't know if you you, you

893
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:05,280
were listening to us like way
back in one division.

894
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:08,320
But when Billy and when Billy
and Tommy first appeared, I

895
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:10,520
think we probably touched on
they're probably going to try to

896
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:13,600
make them Young Avengers in some
way or shape or form.

897
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,640
So I mean.
Yeah, we talked about it quite a

898
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:21,480
bit, especially because of of
Lori's comic book background.

899
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:25,880
Like she she went into a deep
dive for us about those

900
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:26,920
characters.
So yeah.

901
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:32,680
Also AD nauseam, I bring this up
every time we talk about it.

902
00:54:32,720 --> 00:54:35,240
You took me or start arguing
about Marvel shows.

903
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:39,560
I said it when they first
started the multiverse saga.

904
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:44,440
If they do this wrong, it's
going to be chaos is I?

905
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:46,920
I literally said I was like, you
gotta do this right.

906
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:49,320
They'll do this right.
It's going to be fucked and

907
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:52,320
there are certain parts of it
that are fucked and I can't deny

908
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:54,760
that.
Even the the apologist that I

909
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:59,000
am, I admit that there's some
things that could have been way

910
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:01,560
better than they were, and
that's I mean it.

911
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:05,240
Also, it affects the way things
are moving forward because you,

912
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:09,360
you started setting up
storylines and characters and

913
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:12,280
story arcs to go into future
projects.

914
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:15,360
And then you cancel those future
projects.

915
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:19,640
And then now you've kind of got,
you know, this stuff over here

916
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:22,440
in limbo trying to figure out
what you're going to do with it.

917
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:26,600
Like, they had to revamp the
whole Kang thing when Jonathan

918
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:28,760
Majors got in trouble instead of
waiting.

919
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:33,440
You know, I think that's one of
those things where because of

920
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:36,920
the circumstances of what was
going on with him, that was not

921
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:41,560
like a clear cut of, oh, he did
this, you absolutely need to get

922
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:44,120
rid of him.
There were other circumstances.

923
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:46,520
And at some point he was also
the victim.

924
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:50,560
I think that they really should
have kind of waited to see what

925
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:53,480
was going on before they made
any other major moves.

926
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:58,520
But because they didn't, now
they've had to revamp and and do

927
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:01,200
some other stuff.
And now you got, you know,

928
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:04,960
Robert Downey Junior coming back
as Doctor Doom for fantastic.

929
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:07,200
It's it's just.
Yeah.

930
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:08,520
There's.
So much.

931
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:13,600
Correcting that they have to go
back and do now because they're

932
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:18,840
not they're they're straying
from the sacred timeline like,

933
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:22,040
so to speak, you're, you're
doing all of this other stuff.

934
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:25,600
And now it's like, like Michelle
said, chaos that I mean, and we

935
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:29,120
have used that word before when
talking about some of these pro

936
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:30,920
projects.
It's chaos.

937
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:36,880
It is chaos and as far as as far
as like, I'm sorry.

938
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:41,280
Go ahead.
So as far as far as like which,

939
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:44,520
which storyline would be more
interesting between Nick and

940
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:49,280
Billy, I think they both have
their, in my opinion, out in my

941
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:52,080
opinion, they both have their
pluses, their big pluses.

942
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:56,920
I think that if it would have
been Nick, I and I, I was like I

943
00:56:56,920 --> 00:57:01,040
was I was always no, no more
than 2530% sure thinking that it

944
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:02,920
could have been.
I mean, they could have went

945
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:06,960
straight from Nick to Mephisto
and confirm Mephisto.

946
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:10,560
Well, I mean, they did mention
him.

947
00:57:10,720 --> 00:57:12,320
Yeah, they, they are, they have
mentioned him.

948
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:14,920
So he is, he is coming.
I mean, we we've done, he's

949
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:16,800
coming in Iron Heart for a
while.

950
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:21,880
But they could have taken this
and introduced him in this show

951
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:25,040
and this Sacha Baron Cohen come
on and show and show what he's

952
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:28,120
going to do with it.
But I mean, and just like we've,

953
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:32,520
we've already said ad nauseam
about, you know, Wiccan being in

954
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:37,160
Young Avengers.
And I will I will literally be

955
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:42,000
so psyched if at the end of it
and if we can still doing

956
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:45,280
something walking down the road
and miss Marvel pulls up next to

957
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:48,200
him in the in that in that
Porsche and says, get in loser.

958
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:52,760
We're going to be Avengers.
And it's like, I'm I'm sorry,

959
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:54,160
I'm a nerd.
I want, I want to see that.

960
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:58,920
I have a question regarding the
the characters because OK, since

961
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:02,400
we did get the reveal at the end
of episode 5 that this is Billy

962
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:05,640
Maximoff.
OK, so now the question is going

963
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:11,440
to come in how what happened and
where's his brother?

964
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:14,360
So my question that's.
Going to be interesting.

965
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:19,280
My question is, is Tommy a part
of the Young Avengers as well or

966
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:23,840
do we even see Tommy from this
point on in the comics?

967
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:27,760
Yeah, they both are.
OK, so there is a possibility we

968
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:30,280
may see Tommy?
Yeah, Tommy's a speech, Sir.

969
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:32,840
So he says he's like the flash
of the young Young Avengers.

970
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:35,320
So yes, he will.
You will see him eventually.

971
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:40,320
I just wondered because I was
like they with with the reveal

972
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:43,440
that this is Billy.
It's just strange because

973
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:49,080
they're twins, one and then two.
The last time we see both of

974
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:54,240
them is when Wanda is getting
rid of the hex and she knows

975
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:55,880
that she's got to let her
children go.

976
00:58:56,680 --> 00:59:01,920
But it's so interesting because,
and again, this is the part of

977
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:04,760
the story that would make sense
to me and that would get me a

978
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:10,440
little bit more interested.
So if this is Billy Maximoff,

979
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:12,960
right?
And this is three years since

980
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:15,480
Westview.
So he's been out there for three

981
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:18,840
years.
So this goes back to Wanda ain't

982
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:20,840
fully crazy.
Wanda knows.

983
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:23,600
She has been saying her children
are out there.

984
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:27,000
We have the proof right here now
that Billy is.

985
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:29,360
So that means Tommy's out there
somewhere.

986
00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:31,800
So what are the bigger
implications for that?

987
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:35,600
And it's like.
I don't think, I don't think

988
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:39,680
they thought it through.
I don't think they fit that

989
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:41,240
much.
I don't think they were talking.

990
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:45,440
I don't think either group was
talking to each other about what

991
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:50,720
the other was going to do.
Because you raised, you raised

992
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:54,440
an interesting point.
Because we have bad Wanda

993
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:58,560
looking for their children and
apparently they were actually

994
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:04,440
around in some form.
Yeah, you know, but you know,

995
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:08,200
dark hole corruption, etcetera,
etcetera, blah, blah, blah,

996
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:13,120
blah, blah.
But you know, they whatever is

997
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:18,600
it it it, it goes back to this
idea that it's all over the

998
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:21,160
place.
Like they're all over the place.

999
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:23,240
It's just.
Pure chaos.

1000
01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:25,880
And yeah, they are trying to do
Young Avengers.

1001
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:31,160
We have seven members, you know,
of Young Avengers already

1002
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:35,080
introduced, you know, and.
And they're and they're talking

1003
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:38,520
about doing a show about white
vision.

1004
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:41,360
So you know that's going to tie
into.

1005
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:43,520
Yeah, Vision Quest, they're
already doing that one, Yeah.

1006
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:47,840
They're doing Vision quest, so
it's kind of like if you're, if

1007
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:49,960
you're going back to the story,
if you're going back to the

1008
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:51,880
Wanda stuff.
OK, fine.

1009
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:56,760
With this show, the show that we
are supposed to be discussing,

1010
01:00:57,240 --> 01:01:00,000
how does Agatha tie into all of
that?

1011
01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:05,160
And again, if you were focusing
more on her story, her past,

1012
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:09,320
instead of just doing it a bit
here, a bit there, and you're

1013
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:13,480
interspersing all of this other
stuff with, you know, the whole

1014
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:17,560
mystery behind Alice's mother
disappearing or dying and, you

1015
01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:22,360
know, her being the singer of
the The Ballad of the Witch's

1016
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:23,840
Road.
And all the sudden, like,

1017
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:28,120
there's so much of that that I
was really getting interested in

1018
01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:30,720
that part of the story because I
was like, oh, y'all giving us

1019
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:34,000
all the tea on this.
And then you kill Alice and it's

1020
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:38,440
just kind of like, yeah, why
would I want to get why would I

1021
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:41,800
want to get invested in these
characters if the characters are

1022
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:44,640
not going to be there?
I mean, Michelle and I, we talk

1023
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:46,920
about this on The Walking Dead
all the time with The Walking

1024
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:49,320
Dead spin offs.
Because you introduce us to

1025
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:52,040
these characters.
They're very likable and they

1026
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:53,920
don't last more than an episode
or two.

1027
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:55,800
And it's just.
Kind of like.

1028
01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:59,800
Yeah, I'm also, I was upset
about, I was upset about them

1029
01:01:59,840 --> 01:02:02,400
giving Get real, like doing
Alice like that too.

1030
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:05,680
I was like, Oh my God.
As soon as she hit Agatha with

1031
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:08,280
the magic to get the ghost out
of her, I was like, Oh God,

1032
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:11,040
you're not.
And then sure enough, I was like

1033
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:15,520
son of a bitch because I I
actually really liked her

1034
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:17,480
character.
I think her character, like you

1035
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:20,440
said, her character's back story
was way more fleshed out.

1036
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:24,280
Like she had a lot more
redemption going on with her and

1037
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:29,400
she actually was on the path to
becoming to being like, you

1038
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:33,480
know, to like, you know,
finishing her story and be and,

1039
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:35,520
you know, getting what she was
at after.

1040
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:40,240
But I just I was, that's why
that's that's the one part that

1041
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:41,560
got me.
I was just like, I don't know

1042
01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:42,720
unless they're going to bring
her back.

1043
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:45,240
I hope they do, but I'm not, I'm
not holding.

1044
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:47,160
I hope that they do.
It's just like.

1045
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:49,120
They probably will.
That's probably going to be part

1046
01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:51,640
of Agatha's redemption story.
She's going to bring all the

1047
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:54,680
witches back that she.
I don't think they're redeeming

1048
01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:56,720
her.
I don't, I'm not, I'm I'm I'm

1049
01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:59,640
putting a perfect theory.
I don't think they're going to

1050
01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:02,920
give Agatha anything redeeming.
And I think they're going to

1051
01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:06,920
just let I think I think they're
going to let tape put her back

1052
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:11,560
to the way she was.
And because you seemed like

1053
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:14,760
she's proud to be a witch and
she's proud of the witch that

1054
01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:17,320
she is.
So I don't it's going to take a

1055
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:22,600
lot to make her not be that
witch that the witch that she

1056
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:24,520
is.
And I don't think they can get

1057
01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:27,720
into that.
She's going to get that kind of

1058
01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:32,360
Arc in this in this series.
I think that she's just going to

1059
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:40,280
be even if they, even if they
do, I just, I don't see her

1060
01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:42,640
change.
I, I, I just, I don't know.

1061
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:44,600
I just don't say I don't, I
don't see her changing that

1062
01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:46,280
much.
I like in in that way.

1063
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:49,120
I don't need her.
I don't and I don't feel like

1064
01:03:49,120 --> 01:03:51,160
she has to have one.
I don't see.

1065
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:53,360
So yeah, I don't need her.
I don't.

1066
01:03:53,520 --> 01:04:00,960
I do believe that many of the
things said about her, I think

1067
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:03,280
it's misunderstood.
And I think she just goes with

1068
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:04,880
it and say, you know what?
That's what you want to think.

1069
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:07,400
That's what you want to think.
And I think that's made her who

1070
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:10,920
she is and she's unapologetic.
And I don't want her to be

1071
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:13,640
apologetic for the choices that
she made.

1072
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:16,280
Like she didn't kill those
witches.

1073
01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:18,520
They literally was throwing the
power to kill her.

1074
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:21,160
She just, that's her power,
taking their power.

1075
01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:24,160
Well, you know what, if y'all
want to believe that I did that

1076
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:26,680
purposely, y'all go for it.
But I'm not going to sit here

1077
01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:30,120
and apologize for anything.
And you don't know why I made my

1078
01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:32,680
choices.
So that's why I feel like we got

1079
01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:36,600
to have some characters that are
not always got to be redeemed at

1080
01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:38,600
the end.
Because honestly, she didn't

1081
01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:43,520
really do anything horrible.
I I absolutely agree because

1082
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:47,720
it's like, what are you expected
to do when your own mother and

1083
01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:52,200
her coven trying to burn you at
the state for for being what

1084
01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:56,200
what you were born for being
what you were created?

1085
01:04:56,560 --> 01:04:59,000
And that can go into a whole
different type of moral

1086
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:00,520
discussion.
But.

1087
01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:04,280
Yeah, she she's basically the
Jessica Rabbit of her covens.

1088
01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:06,640
Like she's not a bad witch,
she's just drawn that way.

1089
01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:13,600
I mean, she's just for her to
be.

1090
01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:18,320
I don't have AI don't have a
problem with with her because

1091
01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:22,640
like Michelle said, she is the
way she is because that's that's

1092
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:26,160
what happened to her.
And the way her powers work.

1093
01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:30,600
All the witches are scared of
her because she killed her whole

1094
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:34,560
Kevin, right?
So she's like, if you see her

1095
01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:37,320
and you're a witch and you, Oh
my God, she's going to kill me

1096
01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:40,240
and you shoot her with your
powers, she's going to absorb it

1097
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:43,480
all.
But yeah, because you're trying

1098
01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:45,600
to kill her.
But how many times do you think

1099
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:48,240
that has happened to her where
she's just minding her own

1100
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:52,280
business being a witch, and the
witch decides I got to take out

1101
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:53,960
Agatha or she's going to kill
me.

1102
01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:58,920
So I'm probably a lot of witches
died thinking they were having

1103
01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:01,560
to defend themselves.
And she's really probably just

1104
01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:04,720
doing what she does.
You know, she can't.

1105
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:08,440
And and it seems like, like
Michelle said, she has accepted

1106
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:10,960
who she is.
You know, she's not

1107
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:12,880
intentionally trying to kill
witches.

1108
01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:15,840
Her whole thing with Wanda, I
really don't understand what she

1109
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:17,480
was.
I got to watch Wanda Vision

1110
01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:19,680
again to see what she was trying
to do.

1111
01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:22,600
You know, I think, oh, she was
trying to get her to become the

1112
01:06:22,600 --> 01:06:26,560
Scarlet Witch so she could steal
her powers is what she was with

1113
01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:34,920
what her end game was, right?
And and I wonder that that made

1114
01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:41,680
it she became that way because
of being ridiculed and being

1115
01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:46,400
hunted by all the other witches
or having to defend herself her.

1116
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:51,640
Son, she was probably like, fuck
it, I I don't, I don't have

1117
01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:54,480
anything else.
Like her son may have been the

1118
01:06:54,480 --> 01:07:01,040
one thing that kept her from
being that witch And then with

1119
01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:04,440
whatever happened to him,
because again, we don't know for

1120
01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:09,280
sure what happened to her son.
We know that he may have been

1121
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:13,080
sacrificed or whatever.
We also know Rio may have had

1122
01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:15,800
something to do with it.
But aside from that, we don't

1123
01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:18,760
know nothing.
So if her son was taken from her

1124
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:22,280
or she accidentally killed her
son, or she purposefully killed

1125
01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:26,600
her son to get the dark cold or
whatever the case may be, after

1126
01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:29,880
that, she's probably like, yeah,
fuck it, OK, I'm just going to

1127
01:07:29,880 --> 01:07:33,880
burn the world down.
And I can't say, you know, that

1128
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:38,680
I that I blame her, especially
if she's being hunted in the way

1129
01:07:38,680 --> 01:07:42,400
that we saw in her flashback in
one division.

1130
01:07:42,560 --> 01:07:46,320
I have a theory, I just can't
see the look on my face.

1131
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:48,320
I mean someone.
In the House has the theory

1132
01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:50,680
that's.
Awesome, I love this theory.

1133
01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:54,600
OK, So what is?
Down Michelle had a.

1134
01:07:55,000 --> 01:08:00,640
Theory So what if she was trying
to steal Wanda's power?

1135
01:08:00,640 --> 01:08:03,080
Make her Scarlet Witch to steal
her power to become the most

1136
01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:09,720
powerful witch in order to buy
back her son from the exchange

1137
01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:13,760
of something that happened with
Rio dealing with the stronghold.

1138
01:08:14,320 --> 01:08:16,720
I.
Actually, she's trying to go

1139
01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:19,279
into battle.
That's possible.

1140
01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:22,439
Yeah.
That's.

1141
01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:25,160
The very sound theory.
Who would be holding her?

1142
01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:28,439
Her son, Miss Yes.
Miss Sister, that's who she

1143
01:08:28,439 --> 01:08:31,920
would be able to deal with.
But she didn't.

1144
01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:35,279
Make the deal.
Maybe she made the deal, but he

1145
01:08:35,279 --> 01:08:38,720
tricked her in the deal that she
made that end up taking her son

1146
01:08:39,080 --> 01:08:43,439
and now she's going back.
And Rio 100% had something to do

1147
01:08:43,439 --> 01:08:46,479
with that.
I I believe that and she knows

1148
01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:48,600
how he how she can get him back
too.

1149
01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:52,240
And it's going to come.
It's going to come to fruition

1150
01:08:52,240 --> 01:08:54,120
towards the end.
I think that's going to be one

1151
01:08:54,120 --> 01:08:57,399
of the things either she's going
to try to trick her into going

1152
01:08:57,399 --> 01:09:00,760
to get him and getting being
trapped in the underworld, or

1153
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:04,000
this is something where she says
she can get it back but she

1154
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:05,720
actually can't.
So she's trying to trick her

1155
01:09:05,720 --> 01:09:08,840
into doing something because the
whole thing is like she's trying

1156
01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:09,720
to get bodies.
This will.

1157
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:13,120
Make a great show.
But you know what?

1158
01:09:13,200 --> 01:09:16,760
But that would make a great,
great show because basically

1159
01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:19,279
she's Wanda.
She's she's doing everything

1160
01:09:19,279 --> 01:09:22,880
Wanda did to get her child back.
Yeah, but guess what?

1161
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:25,960
She's going to make a different
choice because guess what's

1162
01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:28,080
going to happen?
She can't get that power from

1163
01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:32,040
Wanda anymore because Wanda is
currently in a Wanda bubble

1164
01:09:32,319 --> 01:09:35,160
underneath some rubble until
it's time for her to get out.

1165
01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:36,840
So.
Wanda's dead.

1166
01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:39,080
OK.
And then she's in.

1167
01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:42,319
Rubble Wanda's not dead.
She's in rubble, so it's going

1168
01:09:42,319 --> 01:09:47,439
to become a choice where she may
have to take the power from

1169
01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:53,680
Billy.
And then though, I'll hold.

1170
01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:57,000
On, hold on.
If Wanda is not dead and they

1171
01:09:57,000 --> 01:10:00,680
bring Wanda back and they recast
her, I'm going to have a whole

1172
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:03,360
lot to say about why.
Not.

1173
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:04,320
Recasting.
Her.

1174
01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:05,720
They're bringing her back, but
she's not.

1175
01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:06,720
They're not recasting.
Why would they?

1176
01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:08,280
Recast.
Why can't she be recasted?

1177
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:10,800
No.
They're not.

1178
01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:12,560
They'll have a reason to recast
her.

1179
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:17,080
To have a whole lot to say.
Because if the actress is not

1180
01:10:17,080 --> 01:10:20,000
coming back and we still need
Wanda, we.

1181
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:23,600
Have already said that she would
be down to reprise Wanda if they

1182
01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:26,520
asked her so I'm OK.
So Anthony, on this one.

1183
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:28,080
OK.
So they're not going to recast

1184
01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:31,400
if there was.
A If there was a feasible reason

1185
01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:36,120
for them to recast her, I would
be like, OK, yeah, but you know.

1186
01:10:36,120 --> 01:10:37,920
I see, I thought she said she
was done.

1187
01:10:38,160 --> 01:10:41,080
So since she's not done, they're
not going to recast her.

1188
01:10:41,320 --> 01:10:47,800
So so let me let me translate.
If he's dead and she's not dead,

1189
01:10:47,800 --> 01:10:50,160
not dead because we didn't see a
body.

1190
01:10:50,160 --> 01:10:53,640
Because I don't remember seeing
Tatala's body either.

1191
01:10:54,520 --> 01:10:56,960
And is.
Something totally different.

1192
01:10:57,080 --> 01:10:59,160
We can't even use that as an
example.

1193
01:10:59,160 --> 01:11:02,800
I'm sorry, Cut the tapes, cut
the tapes.

1194
01:11:03,000 --> 01:11:06,400
We can't use that.
Else gives their character back.

1195
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:08,720
But you can't.
That was a totally.

1196
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:14,840
I feel the same way that I get
it, but we can't use that as an

1197
01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:17,760
example.
So either Marvel kills their

1198
01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:21,400
characters, often they don't
come back, or they kill them off

1199
01:11:21,400 --> 01:11:23,920
and bring them back when they
want to, when it's convenient

1200
01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:27,640
for their story and for them.
OK, I see how that works.

1201
01:11:27,720 --> 01:11:29,320
OK, yeah, they do that all the.
Time.

1202
01:11:29,320 --> 01:11:31,560
Yeah, that's every show.
We do that all the time.

1203
01:11:31,560 --> 01:11:33,120
Yeah, that's everything we
watch.

1204
01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:36,840
Doom, Walking Dead.
I mean hello.

1205
01:11:38,280 --> 01:11:39,720
Yeah, but.
It's not just marvelous, it's

1206
01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:41,240
everything.
Every fictional show does that

1207
01:11:41,440 --> 01:11:43,840
be convenient.
Convenience is a motherfucker,

1208
01:11:44,120 --> 01:11:45,720
and I agree with you.
It it would be.

1209
01:11:46,040 --> 01:11:48,360
I mean, there's certain things
that would be fucked up, but

1210
01:11:48,360 --> 01:11:50,880
it's.
But I will say this too.

1211
01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:52,720
Again, they brought back
Kingpin.

1212
01:11:52,720 --> 01:11:56,680
He got shot in the fucking face.
Yes, but I will say this too

1213
01:11:56,680 --> 01:11:58,840
with going back to what Michelle
said.

1214
01:11:59,200 --> 01:12:03,040
So you were like, yes, well, you
know, she said she was done.

1215
01:12:04,240 --> 01:12:08,560
So you have to really pay
attention to the way that those

1216
01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:13,440
actors are saying those
particular things because I

1217
01:12:13,440 --> 01:12:17,840
don't think they're saying that
they are done in the MCU when

1218
01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:19,360
they are saying that they are
done.

1219
01:12:19,920 --> 01:12:23,240
I think they're saying that
certain things are done or

1220
01:12:23,240 --> 01:12:26,920
certain storylines are done.
But I think it's I think all of

1221
01:12:26,920 --> 01:12:30,640
them are open-ended still.
I mean, think about it, RDJ was

1222
01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:34,600
one of the 1st very adamant ones
that he was done in the Marvel

1223
01:12:34,600 --> 01:12:38,280
Cinematic Universe and we see
he's coming back there.

1224
01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:43,320
We we saw we saw Thor in
Deadpool and Wolverine, even

1225
01:12:43,320 --> 01:12:46,320
though we know that.
Chris Evans in Deadpool and

1226
01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:48,400
Wolverine.
Well, yeah, but he wasn't capped

1227
01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:50,480
so.
So there's a difference.

1228
01:12:50,760 --> 01:12:53,480
But but, but I see what you
know.

1229
01:12:54,480 --> 01:12:58,400
Everything is a negotiation.
The the only person I know for a

1230
01:12:58,400 --> 01:13:00,280
fact, well, I'm not going to say
I know for a fact.

1231
01:13:00,280 --> 01:13:03,280
The only person most unlikely to
come back and Scarlett

1232
01:13:03,280 --> 01:13:06,200
Johansson, because she's suing
them for.

1233
01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:08,800
No, they settled that.
She's working with.

1234
01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:11,000
She's working with the.
Yeah, she's getting.

1235
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:14,240
Paid.
They settled that within like

1236
01:13:14,240 --> 01:13:16,960
two months.
But is she going to come back

1237
01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:19,040
and she's.
Getting like executive producer,

1238
01:13:19,160 --> 01:13:21,600
she gets executive producer
credits and everything like

1239
01:13:21,680 --> 01:13:22,680
she's there you.
Go she will.

1240
01:13:23,200 --> 01:13:25,720
She will come back.
She will.

1241
01:13:25,720 --> 01:13:28,880
Come back because she wasn't
mistreated see it's that's

1242
01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:32,400
different than Wonder Woman.
She was mis and sued.

1243
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:34,920
She's never going to be Wonder
Woman again, but.

1244
01:13:35,400 --> 01:13:38,560
Scott the only person that's not
coming back is chat with Bozeman

1245
01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:40,520
so.
Yeah.

1246
01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:42,560
And that's because that's, yeah,
that's life.

1247
01:13:42,720 --> 01:13:46,000
Other than that, it's it's an
open thing.

1248
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:49,840
And I mean, people say what they
want to about these Marvel

1249
01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:51,800
films.
You know, you have all of these

1250
01:13:51,800 --> 01:13:56,480
quote UN quote esteemed actors
and directors and producers and

1251
01:13:56,480 --> 01:14:00,160
all of this stuff saying all
this negative stuff about, you

1252
01:14:00,160 --> 01:14:03,200
know, the Marvel movies and, and
what they do.

1253
01:14:03,200 --> 01:14:10,600
But let's let's go, let's speak
facts, OK, Marvel films.

1254
01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:15,160
Hey, a shit ton of money, you
know what I'm saying?

1255
01:14:15,400 --> 01:14:17,920
You can do 1 Marvel film and
probably retire.

1256
01:14:19,080 --> 01:14:24,480
So you really think that any of
those actors are going to close

1257
01:14:24,480 --> 01:14:26,760
the door and be like, no, I
would never play this character

1258
01:14:26,760 --> 01:14:28,120
again?
Absolutely not.

1259
01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:31,920
The only person with the close
door is Terrence Howard, 'cause

1260
01:14:32,720 --> 01:14:36,120
he missed, he missed out.
And I don't even know.

1261
01:14:36,400 --> 01:14:40,040
And I I've never gotten the full
story about that because I've

1262
01:14:40,040 --> 01:14:41,880
heard that that wasn't his
choice.

1263
01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:46,680
So he's eating.
No Maine, It's RDJ Maine.

1264
01:14:48,040 --> 01:14:50,440
Is RDJRDJ screwed me Maine?
So.

1265
01:14:51,400 --> 01:14:53,720
You like me, Maine?
I'm just saying.

1266
01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:55,920
Everything is good.
I wish.

1267
01:14:56,080 --> 01:15:01,720
They never, we, we could always
see Wanda, especially if

1268
01:15:01,720 --> 01:15:03,800
they're, they're doing a Vision
show.

1269
01:15:04,160 --> 01:15:06,120
Paul Bettany is coming back for
that.

1270
01:15:07,120 --> 01:15:11,480
So you really think Elizabeth
Olsen is about to be like, oh,

1271
01:15:11,480 --> 01:15:15,120
hold up.
So y'all coming back, getting

1272
01:15:15,120 --> 01:15:18,320
this check and playing these
characters that you that you

1273
01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:20,600
originated give me my Scarlet
Witch.

1274
01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:23,560
Especially because she loves
that character so much.

1275
01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:28,120
Like she is one of the she is
one of those actors who did her

1276
01:15:28,120 --> 01:15:31,720
research about Wanda Maximoff in
the comics.

1277
01:15:32,200 --> 01:15:35,360
So she knows the whole story.
She knows the whole art.

1278
01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:41,440
She's talked about wanting to do
House of M so yeah, I'm not

1279
01:15:41,440 --> 01:15:44,680
counting her out.
She may show up at the end of

1280
01:15:44,680 --> 01:15:46,640
this, like, Oh yeah, you thought
I was dead.

1281
01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:50,680
What's up, bitch?
You never know.

1282
01:15:52,080 --> 01:15:54,120
You never know.
She's looking for her child.

1283
01:15:54,120 --> 01:15:58,480
Her child is right there.
She can come back.

1284
01:15:58,640 --> 01:16:00,200
She's going to, she's going to
show up.

1285
01:16:00,200 --> 01:16:02,920
He's he's going to try to bring
Tommy back and bring her back.

1286
01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:05,040
That's probably what's going to
happen.

1287
01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:07,280
You know what?
What are the two?

1288
01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:09,200
Either one or the two or both?
He's going to.

1289
01:16:09,200 --> 01:16:10,920
Try.
He's going to go looking for

1290
01:16:10,920 --> 01:16:14,800
Tommy.
Yeah, I'm or he's going to find

1291
01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:16,360
Tommy and they're both going to
go look for her.

1292
01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:18,600
So is he?
Either way, it's going to happen

1293
01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:20,480
either way.
That's a great theory, Anthony.

1294
01:16:20,480 --> 01:16:21,240
I appreciate that.
Good.

1295
01:16:21,240 --> 01:16:25,680
Looking that's not a theory,
That's that's that's that's the

1296
01:16:25,680 --> 01:16:28,240
realization that everything is a
negotiation.

1297
01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:32,280
Yeah.
All right, OK.

1298
01:16:32,280 --> 01:16:33,240
All right.
Jesse Jackson.

1299
01:16:33,480 --> 01:16:37,000
It's the realization of the
negotiation, of the

1300
01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:40,480
proclamation, of the situation.
Jesse Jackson or TI?

1301
01:16:42,280 --> 01:16:46,080
Which one?
No, no, see, I, I it's not the

1302
01:16:46,080 --> 01:16:47,880
proclivitation.
I didn't say that.

1303
01:16:48,120 --> 01:16:52,320
But OK, so now that we've gotten
all of our points out the way,

1304
01:16:52,320 --> 01:16:54,960
let's let's talk about some good
things about the show because

1305
01:16:55,000 --> 01:16:57,720
I'm not, I'm not saying I hate
the show.

1306
01:16:57,720 --> 01:17:00,640
I'm just saying it just hasn't
caught me like the rest of the

1307
01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:03,080
shows did or like the earlier
shows did.

1308
01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:05,400
But there are some good things
about it.

1309
01:17:05,400 --> 01:17:11,440
Like you said, Mike, the the the
beat drop at the end of episode

1310
01:17:11,440 --> 01:17:13,600
5.
I was here for it because I love

1311
01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:16,200
that song anyway.
I love that song too.

1312
01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:17,880
I've been on two different
playlists.

1313
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:20,640
I love that fucking.
Song So that was good.

1314
01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:26,680
Like I said, when once Agatha
started realizing that she was

1315
01:17:26,680 --> 01:17:31,280
in a spell and she starts taking
off these layers of the person

1316
01:17:31,280 --> 01:17:35,720
that she was, that was cool
because I love seeing them have

1317
01:17:35,720 --> 01:17:39,360
her in this.
She was in the morgue, and of

1318
01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:42,640
course the morgue is in color,
but they have her in the black

1319
01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:43,680
and white.
I love it.

1320
01:17:43,680 --> 01:17:46,400
When they do stuff like that.
Because it looks so cool.

1321
01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:51,880
And also that iteration of her
character I liked a little bit

1322
01:17:51,880 --> 01:17:54,400
more.
Because again, we're just

1323
01:17:54,400 --> 01:17:59,600
looking at this Agnes character
like she's the neighbor, she's

1324
01:17:59,600 --> 01:18:02,920
Wanda's friend, She might be one
of the ones that's also

1325
01:18:03,320 --> 01:18:06,240
brainwashed.
Then when you get the reveal,

1326
01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:12,960
the whole Agatha all along with
the song, it was like mind blow.

1327
01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:17,240
That's the Agatha that I want.
And I feel like that's not the

1328
01:18:17,240 --> 01:18:20,080
Agatha I'm getting in the show.
You know what I'm saying?

1329
01:18:20,280 --> 01:18:25,480
You see her come out just a
little bit, but that's not what

1330
01:18:25,480 --> 01:18:27,480
we're getting.
I think that's the main thing

1331
01:18:27,480 --> 01:18:31,240
that kind of is bothering me
about this show because the

1332
01:18:31,240 --> 01:18:35,200
character doesn't seem to match
what I remember her being.

1333
01:18:35,200 --> 01:18:40,280
Like I said, I feel like she's
she's overdoing the sass.

1334
01:18:40,680 --> 01:18:45,200
She's overdoing the the kind of
the arrogance that she has about

1335
01:18:45,200 --> 01:18:48,040
being the most powerful witch or
being the only witch that's

1336
01:18:48,040 --> 01:18:51,840
completed the the witch's road
and all this this other stuff.

1337
01:18:52,160 --> 01:18:57,600
Maybe if she takes it down just
a little bit it won't seem to.

1338
01:18:57,880 --> 01:19:01,280
But but I think, I think that I
think that she kind of she kind

1339
01:19:01,280 --> 01:19:04,000
of she's doing that just to
kind, she is overcompensating,

1340
01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:07,760
but she's doing that because
she's been she's been handcuffed

1341
01:19:07,760 --> 01:19:09,880
for three years.
It's like she's she could

1342
01:19:09,880 --> 01:19:12,560
because she because she's been
under a spell for three years.

1343
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:14,640
And she's just like, think about
it when she.

1344
01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:17,720
Came out talking about, I'm not
talking about Agatha as the

1345
01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:20,760
character, I'm talking about
Catherine as the actress.

1346
01:19:21,160 --> 01:19:25,560
Because the way she's playing
it, it makes it to me.

1347
01:19:25,560 --> 01:19:29,560
It makes it very obvious that
she's an actor playing a role as

1348
01:19:29,560 --> 01:19:32,320
opposed to her being this
character.

1349
01:19:32,480 --> 01:19:34,800
You get what I'm saying?
Like some people when they when

1350
01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:38,440
they do certain things or when
they, it's just the way that

1351
01:19:38,440 --> 01:19:41,720
they are with the characters,
you feel like that is that

1352
01:19:41,720 --> 01:19:44,200
character.
You have to remind yourself, oh,

1353
01:19:44,200 --> 01:19:47,480
wait, they're playing a part.
I can't, I don't feel that with

1354
01:19:47,480 --> 01:19:49,800
her.
It's, it's like to me, it's very

1355
01:19:49,800 --> 01:19:52,840
obvious that she is an actor
playing a role.

1356
01:19:53,200 --> 01:19:58,920
And I and I feel like that's
kind of sort of what Agatha is

1357
01:19:58,920 --> 01:20:01,880
supposed to be doing as well.
But it's still, it just feels

1358
01:20:01,880 --> 01:20:03,720
very off for me.
It doesn't.

1359
01:20:04,480 --> 01:20:06,000
It just doesn't feel natural to
me.

1360
01:20:06,240 --> 01:20:10,880
OK, and for me it does.
Like I feel like she's crawling

1361
01:20:10,880 --> 01:20:15,600
through cobwebs right now.
OK.

1362
01:20:16,360 --> 01:20:19,720
And I guess because I've seen
Catherine so many different

1363
01:20:19,720 --> 01:20:24,000
things like it, it totally isn't
even close to anything that she

1364
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:25,640
has done.
OK.

1365
01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:30,320
It just, it makes me, I guess
because I also seen like adults

1366
01:20:30,320 --> 01:20:34,120
like that.
It's almost like like when she

1367
01:20:34,120 --> 01:20:37,960
was in doing that, oh it's
Agatha all along that was going

1368
01:20:37,960 --> 01:20:41,800
with how the shows was even
though she had created that for

1369
01:20:41,800 --> 01:20:44,200
Wanda.
But here this is essentially

1370
01:20:44,200 --> 01:20:47,320
her.
But for me, I feel like she is

1371
01:20:47,400 --> 01:20:53,080
waking up, trying to fully wake
up and also figure out what her

1372
01:20:53,080 --> 01:20:56,280
end game should be because right
now Wanda was her end game.

1373
01:20:57,640 --> 01:21:00,240
Now it's OK, I'm trying to get
my powers back, but there's

1374
01:21:00,240 --> 01:21:03,920
other components in play.
And she knows it because she

1375
01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:07,640
still knows that she has to deal
with the seven, which is

1376
01:21:07,760 --> 01:21:14,880
extremely creepy as hell.
And Billy, the team like

1377
01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:19,160
figuring like figuring him out
until she really until she can

1378
01:21:19,160 --> 01:21:21,800
figure out who he really is
because she figured it out, you

1379
01:21:21,800 --> 01:21:24,680
know, then.
So I just feel like it's that

1380
01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:28,480
just kind of gathering yourself
back to who you are.

1381
01:21:29,400 --> 01:21:32,240
I I can get that if I if I look
at it from.

1382
01:21:32,240 --> 01:21:33,520
There and you're a little bit
all over.

1383
01:21:33,520 --> 01:21:35,920
You're a little bit all over the
place, like you're, you know,

1384
01:21:35,920 --> 01:21:39,360
you're riding that bicycle after
you hadn't ridden it for years.

1385
01:21:39,640 --> 01:21:44,880
OK of yourself right, right.
OK, I can I can see that.

1386
01:21:46,120 --> 01:21:50,840
I can see that, but I just I I
just I need the show to get

1387
01:21:50,840 --> 01:21:54,520
better for me.
I mean, and like I said, it's

1388
01:21:54,600 --> 01:21:57,600
it's not that it's a bad show,
but it's just like when I think

1389
01:21:57,600 --> 01:22:02,680
about some of the other shows
and how for me, damn near

1390
01:22:02,680 --> 01:22:07,320
perfect they're they were Wanda
vision being very first Falcon

1391
01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:09,080
in The Winter Soldier.
Like a lot of people.

1392
01:22:09,080 --> 01:22:12,040
I don't know why more people
don't like that show, but that

1393
01:22:12,040 --> 01:22:17,240
show I don't either with the
characters with the chemistry

1394
01:22:17,240 --> 01:22:22,960
between the two leads, just with
the the the subject matters that

1395
01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:27,400
they deal with like that.
That is a top notch marvel show.

1396
01:22:28,000 --> 01:22:31,080
Miss Marvel, top notch Marvel
show.

1397
01:22:31,480 --> 01:22:36,040
You know, Moonlight, which Oh my
God, can y'all please tell us if

1398
01:22:36,040 --> 01:22:39,280
we get in the second season
already because that was a.

1399
01:22:39,920 --> 01:22:43,360
It's like, it's like, it's like
6040 now.

1400
01:22:43,360 --> 01:22:46,880
It's like they keep saying they
are, but see, it's like they're

1401
01:22:46,880 --> 01:22:50,120
trying to tie it.
They're trying to tie a lot of

1402
01:22:50,120 --> 01:22:52,800
things into Midnight Suns, which
they also said that they're

1403
01:22:52,800 --> 01:22:55,680
doing.
So it's like they they again,

1404
01:22:55,800 --> 01:22:57,800
they're doing the same fucking
thing.

1405
01:22:57,920 --> 01:23:01,120
They're trying to do too much at
once and put a lot of things and

1406
01:23:01,120 --> 01:23:02,880
tie them in and do all this
other stuff.

1407
01:23:02,880 --> 01:23:05,440
All they're going to do is end
up, they would end up like tying

1408
01:23:05,440 --> 01:23:07,400
their fingers together and
cutting off their circulation

1409
01:23:07,400 --> 01:23:09,000
and then they're not going to be
able to do anything.

1410
01:23:09,360 --> 01:23:12,400
So it's like, just give me, just
give me Moon Night season 2 so I

1411
01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:15,400
can so we can finally see Jake
and do something.

1412
01:23:15,720 --> 01:23:18,560
They do Midnight Suns, they just
did it as a video game.

1413
01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:31,200
Yeah, but but yeah, so I need
them to go back to the narrow

1414
01:23:31,200 --> 01:23:36,800
focus because you're telling us
stuff that's coming out 2026,

1415
01:23:36,800 --> 01:23:41,760
2020, 7/20/28.
Right now we don't need to look

1416
01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:44,680
that far ahead because y'all
shit keeps changing.

1417
01:23:45,320 --> 01:23:47,840
You've already had to change the
Cane dynasty.

1418
01:23:48,880 --> 01:23:50,760
You're giving us all this other
stuff.

1419
01:23:51,200 --> 01:23:53,600
Blade still ain't got off the
ground.

1420
01:23:53,680 --> 01:23:55,480
So it's just kind of.
Like it's only going to be 1

1421
01:23:55,480 --> 01:23:57,000
blade.
So it's just like.

1422
01:23:58,400 --> 01:24:04,280
There's going to be no blade.
It might not, but my my thing is

1423
01:24:04,400 --> 01:24:07,000
just kind of pull the focus in
just a little bit.

1424
01:24:07,440 --> 01:24:11,160
Just like with the Infinity
Saga, like you had all of these

1425
01:24:11,160 --> 01:24:15,280
properties or all of these films
that kind of converge into this

1426
01:24:15,280 --> 01:24:19,400
one saga.
OK, if you're going to do what

1427
01:24:19,400 --> 01:24:21,880
is it Secret Wars?
Or if you're going to do what is

1428
01:24:21,880 --> 01:24:26,200
ARM Awards, just focus on
something, get us to that point

1429
01:24:26,400 --> 01:24:28,440
and then start moving to the
next thing.

1430
01:24:28,440 --> 01:24:33,000
Because at this point y'all got
too many, y'all got too many

1431
01:24:33,280 --> 01:24:37,760
things in the frying pan.
And it's just it's, it's

1432
01:24:37,760 --> 01:24:40,760
becoming a, a todurkan.
It's, it's too much.

1433
01:24:41,400 --> 01:24:42,800
It's like all these.
Things.

1434
01:24:43,600 --> 01:24:45,080
Mixed together.
Now I'm hungry.

1435
01:24:45,160 --> 01:24:47,200
Well, you know, it is close to
Thanksgiving, but, you know,

1436
01:24:47,240 --> 01:24:49,960
it's just all of these things
that's just get.

1437
01:24:50,280 --> 01:24:53,040
Give us some focus, y'all.
Y'all need some focus.

1438
01:24:53,320 --> 01:24:54,680
Y'all need some focus.
Yeah.

1439
01:24:56,040 --> 01:24:59,080
If y'all are going to give us
this Agatha story, we have four

1440
01:24:59,080 --> 01:25:03,520
more episodes.
We need Agatha's story.

1441
01:25:03,640 --> 01:25:09,000
If it was Agatha all along, tell
us how, tell us why I don't need

1442
01:25:09,000 --> 01:25:13,880
all of the extra stuff.
It's just, yeah, especially,

1443
01:25:14,040 --> 01:25:16,600
especially if you going to kill
off the extra stuff before we

1444
01:25:16,600 --> 01:25:23,080
get the full story.
So yeah, I, that's, that's just

1445
01:25:23,080 --> 01:25:25,680
my two cents.
I, I'm still going to give it a

1446
01:25:25,680 --> 01:25:30,000
try because like I said, the
last last 10 minutes of episode

1447
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:33,720
5, that's what hooked me.
That's what kept me from

1448
01:25:33,720 --> 01:25:36,080
abandoning the show being like,
OK, you know what?

1449
01:25:36,080 --> 01:25:40,920
I'm done.
I now that we know who teen is,

1450
01:25:41,000 --> 01:25:44,160
I mean, they didn't say his
name, but the dude had the crown

1451
01:25:44,160 --> 01:25:47,120
just like his Mama.
That's that's absolutely Billy

1452
01:25:47,120 --> 01:25:49,760
Maxima I'm here for.
Him that's that's definitely a

1453
01:25:49,760 --> 01:25:50,280
good.
One right.

1454
01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:52,080
Let me see what they about to
do.

1455
01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:55,080
Let me see what this kid Joe
Locke is about to do with this

1456
01:25:55,080 --> 01:25:58,000
character.
And and I think that's that's

1457
01:25:58,000 --> 01:26:01,640
going to be a good thing because
that means that these last few

1458
01:26:01,640 --> 01:26:05,280
episodes, they're going to be
locked in on their path because

1459
01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:07,400
there's none of this uncertainty
anymore.

1460
01:26:07,840 --> 01:26:12,440
So it's clear that whoever is
writing this is locked in on on

1461
01:26:12,440 --> 01:26:14,760
what they're going to do for the
next three episodes.

1462
01:26:14,760 --> 01:26:19,120
Yeah, Hope, hopefully, hopefully
that's.

1463
01:26:19,680 --> 01:26:21,720
What I.
Want to see?

1464
01:26:21,720 --> 01:26:23,000
Yeah, right.
Because if it's, if it's Billy

1465
01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:26,840
Maximoff, then we got we, we
have, we have a story.

1466
01:26:27,560 --> 01:26:30,920
Unfortunately, it doesn't seem
like it's going to be if, if it

1467
01:26:30,920 --> 01:26:33,400
is him, then it's not really
Agatha story.

1468
01:26:33,880 --> 01:26:39,480
It's really a continuation of
Wanda story, which is which I

1469
01:26:39,480 --> 01:26:42,560
think is a disservice to
Agatha's character.

1470
01:26:42,880 --> 01:26:47,800
Maybe not because it could still
be out of the story, especially

1471
01:26:47,800 --> 01:26:51,360
because they keep referencing
her son.

1472
01:26:51,720 --> 01:26:55,680
So I really strongly feel like
we are going to see her son in

1473
01:26:55,680 --> 01:27:01,880
this show and maybe Billy is the
thing that's going to lead her

1474
01:27:01,880 --> 01:27:05,280
to her son or lead her to be
able to get back her son.

1475
01:27:05,280 --> 01:27:09,800
Or maybe, I don't know, maybe
without his brother and without

1476
01:27:09,800 --> 01:27:12,640
his mom, maybe he sacrifices his
power.

1477
01:27:12,800 --> 01:27:14,960
He gives her his power so she
can get her son back.

1478
01:27:15,240 --> 01:27:18,600
I don't know that there could be
so many different ways that they

1479
01:27:18,600 --> 01:27:23,760
can do it.
But I don't feel like Agatha

1480
01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:27,200
story is over.
I feel like they just waited too

1481
01:27:27,200 --> 01:27:29,960
long to say, OK, now we're about
to show you what we're about to

1482
01:27:29,960 --> 01:27:33,520
do with this character.
And I really hope that's what

1483
01:27:33,520 --> 01:27:36,960
they're about to do.
Because if if you could come in

1484
01:27:36,960 --> 01:27:42,600
episode 6, episode 7 and get me
to be like, oh, OK, I'm down.

1485
01:27:44,160 --> 01:27:47,600
I'm not going to be mad.
I will take back every negative

1486
01:27:47,600 --> 01:27:49,160
thing I have said about this
show.

1487
01:27:49,400 --> 01:27:53,120
If you can get me on board and
show me the path and show me

1488
01:27:53,120 --> 01:27:56,560
where it makes sense, but right
now it's just really not making

1489
01:27:56,560 --> 01:28:05,080
much sense to me.
I, I, I don't know, maybe maybe

1490
01:28:05,080 --> 01:28:09,400
I'm crazy, maybe my, my mind
just functions different than

1491
01:28:09,400 --> 01:28:13,280
normal people.
But I I can, I appreciate.

1492
01:28:13,280 --> 01:28:16,200
The way that other people are
the normal people and not you

1493
01:28:16,240 --> 01:28:17,840
are the normal person.
Right.

1494
01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:20,360
Have you met me?
Because.

1495
01:28:20,440 --> 01:28:23,760
Then then I'm with you so, but
you know.

1496
01:28:23,960 --> 01:28:27,880
I mean this, I mean this, this.
I like the way that the way that

1497
01:28:27,880 --> 01:28:31,040
thank you, thank you, Michelle.
The way the way that they've

1498
01:28:31,280 --> 01:28:33,640
they've arranged this season
makes perfect sense to me.

1499
01:28:33,640 --> 01:28:36,440
It's like they introduce, they
get one, they get one.

1500
01:28:36,600 --> 01:28:38,800
I guess the back she gets her
coven.

1501
01:28:38,840 --> 01:28:42,520
They sing a beautiful song.
They go down the witches Rd.

1502
01:28:43,760 --> 01:28:45,840
they lose.
They killed Debbie, Jill Rupp in

1503
01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:48,720
the third episode, which is, you
know, I don't think she should

1504
01:28:48,720 --> 01:28:52,560
have been there anyway.
I like because that, because I,

1505
01:28:52,560 --> 01:28:55,840
I think she, I think Wanda just
was sick of her and was like,

1506
01:28:55,840 --> 01:28:57,640
just bring her.
She she dies, she dies.

1507
01:28:57,640 --> 01:29:00,040
I don't care.
So I guess that's the other part

1508
01:29:00,200 --> 01:29:03,520
of of the thing that bothers me
with Agatha, because I was just

1509
01:29:03,520 --> 01:29:07,240
like, why would you bring this
woman down here?

1510
01:29:08,040 --> 01:29:11,200
Because they need to know her
and not tell her what you're

1511
01:29:11,560 --> 01:29:13,560
doing.
Like, you know, she didn't.

1512
01:29:13,560 --> 01:29:18,360
Even know the song like.
You.

1513
01:29:18,440 --> 01:29:21,560
Know the song.
You know what it's like being

1514
01:29:21,560 --> 01:29:25,120
held hostage in your own mind,
not able to control what you're

1515
01:29:25,120 --> 01:29:27,600
doing, where you going, how
you're doing it.

1516
01:29:27,840 --> 01:29:32,360
You've been, you've been trapped
for three years and before that,

1517
01:29:32,520 --> 01:29:37,480
I don't even remember what the
timeline was for Westview as far

1518
01:29:37,480 --> 01:29:40,800
as when Wanda got there and
everything happened to the time

1519
01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:43,920
that she got discovered and and
it was fixed.

1520
01:29:43,960 --> 01:29:47,280
I don't remember what the time
frame is, but you were part of

1521
01:29:47,280 --> 01:29:52,920
this illusion as well.
So the fact that you just bring

1522
01:29:52,920 --> 01:29:56,440
this woman down here, you don't
tell her what you're doing, you

1523
01:29:56,440 --> 01:29:58,280
don't tell her what she's doing
there.

1524
01:29:58,280 --> 01:30:02,760
You just bring her and just
expect her to just do whatever.

1525
01:30:02,760 --> 01:30:05,880
I was just like.
No, she didn't.

1526
01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:08,560
Because.
Anything from your experiences?

1527
01:30:08,560 --> 01:30:11,600
That's that's the other part.
And, and going back to what you

1528
01:30:11,600 --> 01:30:15,200
were saying, Mike, I don't think
it has to do with, you know, you

1529
01:30:15,200 --> 01:30:17,880
looking at it in a different
way, being as far as being

1530
01:30:17,880 --> 01:30:22,280
normal, being weird, whatever
the case is, y'all know me, I'm

1531
01:30:22,360 --> 01:30:25,400
always about the character
development.

1532
01:30:25,480 --> 01:30:28,440
I want the story, I want the
background.

1533
01:30:28,440 --> 01:30:31,880
I want to know what the
motivation is for this character

1534
01:30:33,640 --> 01:30:36,200
and the path that they're going
to go through to get to the end

1535
01:30:36,200 --> 01:30:38,800
of their story.
And it's just right now, I just

1536
01:30:38,800 --> 01:30:42,880
don't see that with access.
And then, like I said, you have

1537
01:30:42,880 --> 01:30:46,160
all these other characters that
you've introduced and you've

1538
01:30:46,160 --> 01:30:49,560
only given us a part of their
story, and then you kill them

1539
01:30:49,560 --> 01:30:53,240
off or you make them disappear.
Because we don't know for sure

1540
01:30:53,240 --> 01:30:56,000
what happened to Jen and Lil at
the end of the episode.

1541
01:30:56,320 --> 01:31:00,800
We just know that Billy, you
know, he blasts Agatha into some

1542
01:31:00,800 --> 01:31:04,480
quick mud quicksand and he does
the same thing with the other

1543
01:31:04,480 --> 01:31:07,080
two ladies so they could still
be alive.

1544
01:31:07,080 --> 01:31:11,240
But again, you, you giving us
these people and you don't

1545
01:31:11,240 --> 01:31:15,480
really, you don't give us
anything to connect to them.

1546
01:31:15,480 --> 01:31:18,640
And like I said, Imam Vilani
said it, You got to go back to

1547
01:31:18,640 --> 01:31:20,640
making people care about the
characters.

1548
01:31:21,920 --> 01:31:25,600
And I just right now, I just
really don't except for teen

1549
01:31:26,920 --> 01:31:31,240
because I feel like I already I
won't say I know the story there

1550
01:31:31,240 --> 01:31:35,880
because how he got there after
what happened in Westview and

1551
01:31:35,880 --> 01:31:39,000
Wanda getting rid of everything,
that's the story I want to know.

1552
01:31:39,000 --> 01:31:42,360
But I mean, again, I care about
that character.

1553
01:31:42,360 --> 01:31:45,680
I I want to know.
See, I care about Agatha.

1554
01:31:45,800 --> 01:31:48,800
I want to know.
I want to know too, but they're

1555
01:31:48,800 --> 01:31:50,400
not giving it to me so it's
making it.

1556
01:31:50,640 --> 01:31:53,840
No, let's see, because she's
just like and she's not going to

1557
01:31:53,840 --> 01:31:58,240
give it up easily.
That type of character is not

1558
01:31:58,240 --> 01:32:01,560
giving it up easily.
Yeah, yeah, that's the hard part

1559
01:32:01,560 --> 01:32:02,840
about it.
Yeah.

1560
01:32:04,400 --> 01:32:07,880
But I mean, we got 4 episodes.
They they can fix it.

1561
01:32:07,920 --> 01:32:11,120
They can make me change my mind.
They have time.

1562
01:32:11,960 --> 01:32:14,600
Not as much time as I want,
because again, he would go one

1563
01:32:14,600 --> 01:32:16,480
of these ridiculously short
seasons.

1564
01:32:16,480 --> 01:32:20,920
But I guess that's just the way
it is now if you're not on, if

1565
01:32:20,920 --> 01:32:24,720
you're not on network TV.
So I guess I have to deal with

1566
01:32:24,720 --> 01:32:26,520
it.
But you got 4, you got 4

1567
01:32:26,520 --> 01:32:32,280
episodes, Disney Plus and Marvel
to convince me that this is a

1568
01:32:32,280 --> 01:32:34,080
good show.
Because right now I'm just, I

1569
01:32:34,160 --> 01:32:36,240
like, like, Anthony said.
I'm.

1570
01:32:37,240 --> 01:32:40,480
OK, well, can we give a shout
out to the the opening?

1571
01:32:40,480 --> 01:32:42,480
Do you like the opening?
I do.

1572
01:32:42,480 --> 01:32:46,720
I like the opening and I do also
like the closing credits because

1573
01:32:46,720 --> 01:32:52,120
you see all of these various
references to like witches

1574
01:32:52,280 --> 01:32:56,240
throughout history, both and non
fiction.

1575
01:32:56,680 --> 01:32:59,880
So so yeah, I I do like it.
Like I said, there are certain

1576
01:32:59,880 --> 01:33:04,200
things about I do like I loved
the first version of the witches

1577
01:33:04,560 --> 01:33:07,960
Rd.
The second version was OK, but I

1578
01:33:07,960 --> 01:33:11,280
was like, OK, are we going to
have to hear this song every

1579
01:33:11,280 --> 01:33:12,960
single episode?
Because I just.

1580
01:33:14,520 --> 01:33:18,800
OK, you're on the Witch's Road.
It's literally the theme song to

1581
01:33:18,840 --> 01:33:22,640
The Witch's Road.
But every single version of it,

1582
01:33:22,640 --> 01:33:25,480
I don't need to hear the country
version, I don't need to hear

1583
01:33:25,480 --> 01:33:28,160
the reggae version, I don't need
to hear the sky version.

1584
01:33:28,440 --> 01:33:30,680
I just don't.
Wait till wait till you hear the

1585
01:33:30,680 --> 01:33:35,440
hip hop, the Hip Hop Premier
remix, the Neptune 3 mix coming

1586
01:33:35,440 --> 01:33:38,440
up.
It was actually genius of Alice

1587
01:33:38,440 --> 01:33:44,440
Mom to sing a song that becomes
so popular that people will sing

1588
01:33:44,440 --> 01:33:47,520
it and it will constantly
protect your kid.

1589
01:33:48,480 --> 01:33:50,400
Perfect.
Yeah, she basically made all her

1590
01:33:50,400 --> 01:33:51,240
fans a.
Coven, yeah.

1591
01:33:51,280 --> 01:33:56,240
I mean, she did awesome to open
up the role and to like for the

1592
01:33:56,240 --> 01:33:58,320
protection spell.
It was perfect.

1593
01:33:58,480 --> 01:34:02,360
That was perfect.
Unfortunately, it didn't protect

1594
01:34:02,360 --> 01:34:04,760
her much, whereas Agatha.
No, she died.

1595
01:34:04,760 --> 01:34:07,440
Like, yeah, I know.
That they killed the whole

1596
01:34:07,440 --> 01:34:10,720
reason for the protection spill,
so then the protection spill had

1597
01:34:10,720 --> 01:34:15,280
no reason to continue the work.
Yeah, you, you're right, You're

1598
01:34:15,280 --> 01:34:17,720
right.
Well, no, because the protection

1599
01:34:17,720 --> 01:34:20,400
she was protecting her from the
curse was still was cursing her,

1600
01:34:20,400 --> 01:34:23,560
but that was whatever.
No, the curd they they lifted

1601
01:34:23,640 --> 01:34:25,920
they they they abated the curse.
End episode.

1602
01:34:26,400 --> 01:34:29,200
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
I mean, like it wasn't keep her

1603
01:34:29,200 --> 01:34:31,880
alive, it was just keeping her
from not being as cursed with

1604
01:34:31,880 --> 01:34:33,320
the curse.
But she was still cursed, was

1605
01:34:33,320 --> 01:34:36,320
still losing her jobs and she
I'm still cursed.

1606
01:34:39,280 --> 01:34:40,920
Right?
But then someone else kills her.

1607
01:34:41,200 --> 01:34:45,240
But we're hoping that when they
die on the road maybe they like

1608
01:34:45,280 --> 01:34:49,680
wake up back into the non Rd.
Because I think that's one of

1609
01:34:49,680 --> 01:34:50,920
the things they said at the
beginning.

1610
01:34:50,920 --> 01:34:53,320
Conical I'm saying I'm hoping.
I'm hoping.

1611
01:34:53,520 --> 01:34:55,800
OK, let let me go with this
dream.

1612
01:34:55,840 --> 01:34:57,160
Here.
Oh yeah.

1613
01:34:57,160 --> 01:34:58,440
Just hold on.
Hold on to that.

1614
01:34:58,440 --> 01:35:00,680
Because it's not that damn for
real.

1615
01:35:00,680 --> 01:35:03,640
We we trying to bring them back.
OK, OK, I get you.

1616
01:35:03,640 --> 01:35:04,640
I get.
It for real For real.

1617
01:35:04,640 --> 01:35:06,080
OK, I.
Got you.

1618
01:35:06,920 --> 01:35:12,160
Right, 'cause it makes no sense.
Yeah, I don't, I don't, I don't

1619
01:35:12,160 --> 01:35:14,880
like it either.
I'm I'm hoping that they figure

1620
01:35:14,880 --> 01:35:19,800
out, figure out a way that that
Jen, Jen and and Lily can pull

1621
01:35:19,800 --> 01:35:22,880
themselves, pull themselves from
them, But there's no accidents

1622
01:35:23,000 --> 01:35:24,880
going to because the show's
about her.

1623
01:35:25,960 --> 01:35:28,720
She's going to.
Put where where activists and I

1624
01:35:28,720 --> 01:35:32,000
tell them is the reason why
she's the only one that survived

1625
01:35:32,000 --> 01:35:35,400
the witches Rd.
Is she killed all the witches

1626
01:35:35,400 --> 01:35:37,160
that was with her the first
times?

1627
01:35:37,760 --> 01:35:40,080
Well, duh, they dare.
I figured that out, dude.

1628
01:35:40,600 --> 01:35:42,880
It's like, I think, I think, I
think Jen knew.

1629
01:35:43,280 --> 01:35:45,040
I think Jen.
Jen probably had an idea.

1630
01:35:45,040 --> 01:35:47,720
That's why that's why it
happened, because she doesn't

1631
01:35:47,720 --> 01:35:49,920
trust her at all.
It's like that's why Lily

1632
01:35:49,920 --> 01:35:51,600
probably then I Lily didn't want
to go.

1633
01:35:51,600 --> 01:35:54,080
She's like, I'm not going just
so you can kill me.

1634
01:35:54,160 --> 01:35:57,280
Like fuck you.
And I think Rio also has

1635
01:35:57,280 --> 01:35:59,640
something to do with that
because she said something about

1636
01:36:00,600 --> 01:36:03,240
giving her the bodies.
Yeah.

1637
01:36:03,240 --> 01:36:05,320
So I was like, oh, OK, that's
the other thing.

1638
01:36:05,320 --> 01:36:09,560
So like I said, I don't have a
problem with Rio's character.

1639
01:36:09,880 --> 01:36:15,320
I think as AI don't know if I
want to call her an antagonist

1640
01:36:15,320 --> 01:36:20,960
because she hasn't really been
antagonisty with everyone.

1641
01:36:21,200 --> 01:36:25,320
She's just a little bit weird
and and a little bit scary.

1642
01:36:25,720 --> 01:36:27,040
But she hasn't.
But.

1643
01:36:27,240 --> 01:36:30,240
Where did she?
Go Where did she go?

1644
01:36:30,240 --> 01:36:34,280
Because at the end of the
episode, she wasn't around.

1645
01:36:39,040 --> 01:36:40,520
Well, she she had a body to
collect.

1646
01:36:40,760 --> 01:36:41,520
She had.
She had.

1647
01:36:42,520 --> 01:36:43,520
Did she come out of the house?
She.

1648
01:36:45,200 --> 01:36:47,320
She might have been still in the
house with Alice.

1649
01:36:48,360 --> 01:36:51,840
Yeah.
Because she did say something

1650
01:36:51,840 --> 01:36:57,360
about collecting the bodies and
I was like, OK, so why are you

1651
01:36:57,360 --> 01:37:00,880
collecting bodies?
But they never again, they never

1652
01:37:00,880 --> 01:37:03,720
explained that.
But yeah, she may be in the

1653
01:37:03,720 --> 01:37:10,200
house with Alice, so OK.
I think she does her own thing.

1654
01:37:10,520 --> 01:37:15,800
Let her be.
Yeah, and I'm, I think, I think

1655
01:37:15,800 --> 01:37:18,800
she has a little 'cause there's
still some scenes from the

1656
01:37:18,800 --> 01:37:22,240
previews that we haven't seen
yet, and I think she's the one

1657
01:37:22,240 --> 01:37:25,760
that's pretty prevalent.
So that's pretty important to

1658
01:37:26,280 --> 01:37:27,840
the story of what's going to
happen.

1659
01:37:27,880 --> 01:37:29,720
So she's going to come up
eventually.

1660
01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:32,360
And I mean, she does her own
thing anyway.

1661
01:37:32,360 --> 01:37:34,920
So it's like, I mean, we didn't
even know she was a green.

1662
01:37:35,000 --> 01:37:39,360
I mean, it's like she is.
So I don't know what she is

1663
01:37:39,480 --> 01:37:41,880
like.
Some people says the green, the

1664
01:37:41,880 --> 01:37:46,240
green.
Yeah.

1665
01:37:46,920 --> 01:37:49,760
Yeah, but I, but I, I think
that, I mean, there have been

1666
01:37:49,760 --> 01:37:53,000
some people who are, who are
saying that she might be deaf

1667
01:37:54,000 --> 01:37:57,560
because remember when they, when
they were on the, the Ouija

1668
01:37:57,560 --> 01:38:00,000
board and they spelled out deaf,
she just kind of laughed.

1669
01:38:00,640 --> 01:38:03,600
So they're like that.
She laughed because she knows

1670
01:38:03,600 --> 01:38:08,760
that there's, there's so, so
there's such a, a weird aura

1671
01:38:08,760 --> 01:38:13,040
around her as to what, as to
what her end game is other than

1672
01:38:13,040 --> 01:38:15,440
killing Agnes.
I think, I think that she has

1673
01:38:15,440 --> 01:38:22,920
some I I mean, I how was she her
being?

1674
01:38:22,920 --> 01:38:28,120
So her being summoned to the
road still kind of perplexes me

1675
01:38:28,120 --> 01:38:32,520
a little bit.
I'm just like, I'm like, is

1676
01:38:32,520 --> 01:38:33,720
this?
Is this something about it

1677
01:38:33,720 --> 01:38:35,440
That's weird.
I can't put my finger on it, but

1678
01:38:35,480 --> 01:38:38,400
I probably will be able to.
I But by the time by the time

1679
01:38:38,400 --> 01:38:40,320
they reveal everything, I'll be
able to put my finger.

1680
01:38:40,320 --> 01:38:43,160
On Yeah, I was gonna say it has
to do it has to do with

1681
01:38:43,200 --> 01:38:48,520
something having to do with
Agatha, obviously, because she

1682
01:38:48,520 --> 01:38:52,840
was also part of the reason why
Agatha broke through Wanda's

1683
01:38:52,840 --> 01:38:55,880
spell.
But again, it's just kind of

1684
01:38:55,880 --> 01:39:02,640
like you, you keep teasing this
past relationship between the

1685
01:39:02,640 --> 01:39:07,480
two, but you're not really
giving us anything for it is

1686
01:39:07,480 --> 01:39:10,040
like you telling us, OK, they
were in a relationship.

1687
01:39:10,280 --> 01:39:14,360
She obviously betrayed Agatha,
probably in the worst way.

1688
01:39:14,840 --> 01:39:18,560
And there's just kind of,
there's this back and forth

1689
01:39:18,560 --> 01:39:21,520
between them and it's like.
Or vice versa.

1690
01:39:21,520 --> 01:39:23,400
Because I mean, she wants to
kill Agatha.

1691
01:39:23,640 --> 01:39:25,440
It's like, it's not like just
the other way around.

1692
01:39:25,440 --> 01:39:27,560
It's like Agatha doesn't really
want to kill her, she wants to

1693
01:39:27,560 --> 01:39:29,480
kill Agatha.
So Agatha obviously did

1694
01:39:29,480 --> 01:39:33,760
something to to earn that rage
from her.

1695
01:39:37,400 --> 01:39:39,240
I don't know.
Because because Agatha was

1696
01:39:39,240 --> 01:39:40,520
trying to get away from me.
She's not.

1697
01:39:40,520 --> 01:39:44,320
She's not trying to instigate
instigate an interaction.

1698
01:39:44,320 --> 01:39:46,000
Between like.
She's not trying to fight.

1699
01:39:46,000 --> 01:39:49,920
Her like this is close to
kissing her before Rio, said

1700
01:39:50,000 --> 01:39:51,560
actor.
That's not your son.

1701
01:39:52,640 --> 01:39:54,760
Love does some love does some
fucked up things, man.

1702
01:39:55,440 --> 01:39:56,960
Love is a love is a
motherfucker.

1703
01:39:57,520 --> 01:40:00,880
Yeah, so again, it's a thin
line.

1704
01:40:01,640 --> 01:40:03,560
So.
So they got to Queen.

1705
01:40:03,760 --> 01:40:07,040
Love and hate.
They they they got 4 episodes to

1706
01:40:07,040 --> 01:40:12,040
change my mind.
I think they're going to I, I, I

1707
01:40:12,040 --> 01:40:13,440
can't wait to see where they
take this.

1708
01:40:13,440 --> 01:40:17,040
I think the, the final two
episode, the final two episodes

1709
01:40:17,040 --> 01:40:19,920
are going to be key.
I think that the two episodes

1710
01:40:19,920 --> 01:40:23,520
leading up to those two episodes
are going to give probably give

1711
01:40:23,520 --> 01:40:25,800
a little bit more of a back
story.

1712
01:40:26,200 --> 01:40:29,000
I think.
I think they'll get to the end

1713
01:40:29,000 --> 01:40:32,000
of the Witches Rd.
By the end of the, of course,

1714
01:40:32,000 --> 01:40:35,280
the episode before last is the
penultimate episode, so you know

1715
01:40:35,280 --> 01:40:37,520
they're going to get to the end
of the Witch's Road at the end

1716
01:40:37,520 --> 01:40:40,880
of that episode, and then the
next episode will be them,

1717
01:40:41,320 --> 01:40:43,920
whatever happens with them
getting what they want or

1718
01:40:43,920 --> 01:40:46,600
whatever.
Setting up the next the next

1719
01:40:46,600 --> 01:40:49,360
show or the next, whatever.
Yep, setting up wherever they're

1720
01:40:49,360 --> 01:40:53,560
going next, yeah.
I, I really hope they approach

1721
01:40:53,720 --> 01:40:58,160
this has like when they were
mapping in the South and riding

1722
01:40:58,160 --> 01:41:00,240
it, that they were like, we're
just going to do one season.

1723
01:41:00,800 --> 01:41:04,160
I really hope they did that.
I hope they didn't do it where

1724
01:41:04,600 --> 01:41:07,360
we want to leave it open at the
end because we want to do a

1725
01:41:07,360 --> 01:41:10,800
season 2.
But I, I really think Marvel's

1726
01:41:10,800 --> 01:41:15,440
been doing well with having
these shows end and just be one

1727
01:41:15,440 --> 01:41:16,960
season.
And if you can come back and

1728
01:41:16,960 --> 01:41:19,160
come back for a season 2 and do
a different story.

1729
01:41:19,720 --> 01:41:22,680
But don't leave this on the
cliffhanger, you know?

1730
01:41:22,880 --> 01:41:26,360
Yeah, a cliffhanger, and then
we'll have to wait 3-4, five

1731
01:41:26,360 --> 01:41:27,920
years to see what's going to
happen.

1732
01:41:27,960 --> 01:41:30,600
Like if it, if it happens at
all, right.

1733
01:41:31,240 --> 01:41:34,840
And I do have hope, like I'm,
I'm like Hanukkah.

1734
01:41:34,840 --> 01:41:36,960
I, I, it's not that I hate the
show.

1735
01:41:37,360 --> 01:41:40,360
I think it could be better.
I don't think it's bad.

1736
01:41:40,360 --> 01:41:43,680
I think it's just OK.
Like I don't want anyone to

1737
01:41:43,680 --> 01:41:45,520
think that I think the show is
terrible.

1738
01:41:45,520 --> 01:41:48,640
I, I, I like some of the
performances in the show.

1739
01:41:48,960 --> 01:41:52,520
I like the music in the show.
I like John Locke.

1740
01:41:52,520 --> 01:41:55,600
I like Joe Locke.
I don't know, I said.

1741
01:41:55,600 --> 01:41:57,640
John Locke.
Joe, I like you.

1742
01:41:58,240 --> 01:41:59,400
Think a lot.
Yeah, I'm.

1743
01:42:00,240 --> 01:42:02,360
Thinking philosophy.
It's your philosophy.

1744
01:42:02,360 --> 01:42:05,360
Yeah.
And even though I don't really

1745
01:42:05,360 --> 01:42:10,160
care for Captain Hum I, I think
she actually is really good as

1746
01:42:10,160 --> 01:42:14,080
act of artist.
I just think that I just think

1747
01:42:14,080 --> 01:42:20,040
that the role is not.
It's not the way the story is

1748
01:42:20,040 --> 01:42:24,520
being written to me.
It's not big enough for her.

1749
01:42:24,840 --> 01:42:28,440
It's not her to me right now.
It's still sort of like a

1750
01:42:28,440 --> 01:42:30,440
continuation of Wanda's story
now.

1751
01:42:31,120 --> 01:42:36,400
And but I do have hope because I
think knowing pretty much

1752
01:42:36,400 --> 01:42:39,920
because of the crown, knowing
that this is Billy Maximoff, I

1753
01:42:39,920 --> 01:42:42,440
think narrows the focus of the
show.

1754
01:42:42,720 --> 01:42:46,200
And I think it's probably going
to get stronger on the back end

1755
01:42:46,440 --> 01:42:49,480
than it was in the beginning.
Like I think they did a lot of

1756
01:42:49,480 --> 01:42:53,920
meandering and a lot and a lot
of setup for a payoff later.

1757
01:42:54,240 --> 01:42:56,200
And hopefully it's a pretty big
payoff.

1758
01:42:57,680 --> 01:43:02,920
OK, now I will say this, I do
think we will be adding acts of

1759
01:43:02,920 --> 01:43:08,360
Harkness to our mother's panel
for contradiction once we find

1760
01:43:08,360 --> 01:43:09,720
out.
Yeah, we can add her mom too.

1761
01:43:11,920 --> 01:43:13,640
So yeah.
Yeah, yeah.

1762
01:43:14,200 --> 01:43:16,800
And that's going to have people
want to talk about Wanda and her

1763
01:43:16,800 --> 01:43:20,360
mothering skills.
Well, you know, we we can do

1764
01:43:20,360 --> 01:43:24,760
that 'cause, you know, I'm on
the one the defense team

1765
01:43:25,680 --> 01:43:26,880
because.
Yeah.

1766
01:43:27,000 --> 01:43:30,000
Her kids are just her
imagination.

1767
01:43:30,320 --> 01:43:33,440
Do y'all have any final thoughts
on the 1st?

1768
01:43:33,520 --> 01:43:36,200
OK, real quick.
All along all.

1769
01:43:37,520 --> 01:43:42,120
Right, real quick shout out to
Marvel for continuing to to give

1770
01:43:42,280 --> 01:43:47,800
the LGBTQ plus community a a
voice and like to show to show

1771
01:43:47,800 --> 01:43:51,440
them in a in a reasonably
positive light, I think, I

1772
01:43:51,440 --> 01:43:53,000
think.
Why do you seem reasonably,

1773
01:43:53,560 --> 01:43:54,600
reasonably positive?
Because.

1774
01:43:56,400 --> 01:43:59,040
OK, positive light story.
Don't make sense.

1775
01:43:59,040 --> 01:44:03,160
It's like y'all telling us that
they were involved and that's

1776
01:44:03,360 --> 01:44:05,320
it.
Just like.

1777
01:44:05,680 --> 01:44:08,720
I said I mean, because because
their their relationship,

1778
01:44:09,760 --> 01:44:11,400
probably their, their
relationship's kind of toxic,

1779
01:44:11,400 --> 01:44:16,520
but I think that that team is,
is a is a positive role model

1780
01:44:16,520 --> 01:44:17,520
for the game.
Is is.

1781
01:44:17,760 --> 01:44:20,520
I mean, he, he's obviously gay.
He doesn't care if people know

1782
01:44:20,520 --> 01:44:23,160
he's gay.
And he and he is a really good

1783
01:44:23,160 --> 01:44:25,600
character.
So that that's a good character

1784
01:44:25,600 --> 01:44:27,720
for the gay community in my
opinion.

1785
01:44:28,400 --> 01:44:30,200
Shout out to Patti Lupo.
Damn it.

1786
01:44:30,400 --> 01:44:34,000
I love this woman that I mean,
Tony Award winner, Grammy

1787
01:44:34,000 --> 01:44:37,840
winner, Olivier Award winner.
I mean, she deserves this and

1788
01:44:37,840 --> 01:44:40,520
I'm glad that she's getting all
the that she's getting.

1789
01:44:40,840 --> 01:44:42,960
I think she's doing a really
underrated job in this.

1790
01:44:42,960 --> 01:44:44,840
I like, I like, I really like
her character.

1791
01:44:45,280 --> 01:44:50,080
I mean, her character does and
she's, since she's a diviner,

1792
01:44:52,600 --> 01:44:53,720
was that that's the right way
to.

1793
01:44:53,920 --> 01:44:57,120
To describe her, yeah, sure,
she's a clairvoyant.

1794
01:44:58,600 --> 01:44:59,680
She's a clairvoyant.
Yeah.

1795
01:45:00,320 --> 01:45:03,520
It's like, it's like, I mean her
just like I was blurting out

1796
01:45:03,560 --> 01:45:08,920
Alice don't save Agatha.
It's like, because, I mean,

1797
01:45:08,920 --> 01:45:11,120
because that's that's another
thing that I didn't pick up

1798
01:45:11,120 --> 01:45:14,440
until I watch reactions.
I was like, oh shit, like in the

1799
01:45:14,640 --> 01:45:17,400
in the second episode, she's
like save Agatha.

1800
01:45:18,080 --> 01:45:20,640
And then in the other one she
says Alice don't.

1801
01:45:21,120 --> 01:45:24,960
So she's seeing, she's seeing
her things in reverse and it's

1802
01:45:24,960 --> 01:45:30,040
like, Oh shit.
So at any rate, I, I'm, I'm a

1803
01:45:30,080 --> 01:45:32,840
paleopone fan.
I I I think she's really good.

1804
01:45:32,840 --> 01:45:37,160
Like, are you?
I'm just shut.

1805
01:45:37,880 --> 01:45:42,840
Also shout to the original cast
in the first episode.

1806
01:45:42,840 --> 01:45:48,600
Just acting like everything's OK
and going along and poor poor

1807
01:45:48,600 --> 01:45:51,080
what's his name?
Like watching her go, watching

1808
01:45:51,080 --> 01:45:55,720
her investigate her, his flower
bushes, thinking that as a body.

1809
01:45:56,160 --> 01:45:59,920
I mean is it Hank?
Damn, what's his name?

1810
01:46:01,640 --> 01:46:04,160
But yeah, I mean, he, he went
through the worst because he's

1811
01:46:04,160 --> 01:46:05,440
like right across the street
from her.

1812
01:46:05,440 --> 01:46:07,160
She's like, oh God, here she
comes again.

1813
01:46:07,640 --> 01:46:09,960
Just don't pay attention to her.
Just literally do what she's

1814
01:46:09,960 --> 01:46:12,120
going to do.
Yeah, I still got issues with

1815
01:46:12,120 --> 01:46:14,120
the neighbors.
I mean, I know there's probably

1816
01:46:14,120 --> 01:46:18,680
not much they can do against the
magical entity, but the fact

1817
01:46:18,680 --> 01:46:22,480
that they were like, I mean,
because when she started coming

1818
01:46:22,520 --> 01:46:26,280
out of the spell, she was like,
how long have I been like this?

1819
01:46:26,400 --> 01:46:28,320
He was like 3 years.
She was like, y'all didn't do

1820
01:46:28,320 --> 01:46:30,440
anything.
Well, we, we just kind of was.

1821
01:46:30,840 --> 01:46:31,640
What were they going to do?
They.

1822
01:46:31,640 --> 01:46:34,080
Can't do anything.
I know, but still it's just.

1823
01:46:36,200 --> 01:46:38,920
But it's like, it's like,
basically, I mean, I mean,

1824
01:46:39,320 --> 01:46:41,400
really, this is not Wanda's
fault.

1825
01:46:41,560 --> 01:46:45,160
This is all her fault because
she because she put, she put

1826
01:46:45,160 --> 01:46:47,280
Agatha under a spell and then
left.

1827
01:46:47,720 --> 01:46:50,280
And now Agatha just thinks that
she's one of them.

1828
01:46:50,280 --> 01:46:53,600
And all everyone around here is
looking at her like, Mitch, you

1829
01:46:53,600 --> 01:46:56,360
were just in the air fighting
and fighting the Scarlet Witch.

1830
01:46:56,440 --> 01:46:58,160
We know.
We know that you're not.

1831
01:46:58,640 --> 01:47:01,160
We know you're not normal.
And then she goes around

1832
01:47:01,160 --> 01:47:04,120
pretending she's detective one
day, then she's something else

1833
01:47:04,120 --> 01:47:06,960
another day.
She's all in herbs, fucking rose

1834
01:47:06,960 --> 01:47:08,840
bushes.
She goes to the library making a

1835
01:47:08,840 --> 01:47:12,800
scene with Dottie and it's like,
and like nobody knows what the

1836
01:47:12,800 --> 01:47:15,520
fuck's going on.
Like everybody's like, they're

1837
01:47:15,520 --> 01:47:17,920
just, they're basically playing
on this is this is basically a

1838
01:47:17,920 --> 01:47:21,200
supernatural episode of the
Truman Show because everybody

1839
01:47:21,200 --> 01:47:23,960
knows that she's not, Everybody
knows she's fucked up, but

1840
01:47:23,960 --> 01:47:25,600
nobody's doing anything about
it.

1841
01:47:25,760 --> 01:47:28,080
They're just letting her go
along thinking that she's doing

1842
01:47:28,080 --> 01:47:29,640
whatever the fuck she's doing
today.

1843
01:47:30,080 --> 01:47:31,960
And it's like, I mean, they're
just like.

1844
01:47:33,320 --> 01:47:36,160
I think in the beginning, I'm
thinking in the beginning they

1845
01:47:36,200 --> 01:47:41,200
tried because remember,
everybody kind of the government

1846
01:47:41,200 --> 01:47:42,640
kind of knows what happens
there.

1847
01:47:43,000 --> 01:47:48,080
I'm sure, you know, damage
control probably try to do some

1848
01:47:48,080 --> 01:47:50,160
things when they went there and
fixed everything.

1849
01:47:50,520 --> 01:47:52,720
And I'm sure they tried and they
were like, you know what,

1850
01:47:53,400 --> 01:47:56,080
There's nothing we can do.
No one gave Doctor Strange a

1851
01:47:56,080 --> 01:48:00,440
call to see if he could undo it.
But at some point they were

1852
01:48:00,440 --> 01:48:04,720
probably like, we tried to get
out of this, let's just go with

1853
01:48:04,720 --> 01:48:06,760
it.
Some, some therapist probably

1854
01:48:06,760 --> 01:48:08,760
came along.
It was like, you know what,

1855
01:48:09,120 --> 01:48:11,720
let's just go with it and maybe
it'll go away.

1856
01:48:12,200 --> 01:48:15,200
But it wasn't working, whatever
they were trying to do, so they

1857
01:48:15,240 --> 01:48:19,080
just stopped and just decided to
go along with it because that's.

1858
01:48:19,880 --> 01:48:21,400
The government can't handle
natural stuff.

1859
01:48:21,400 --> 01:48:22,360
What?
Make sure they can handle

1860
01:48:22,360 --> 01:48:24,320
supernatural stuff.
I'm not saying no.

1861
01:48:25,040 --> 01:48:28,760
I'm.
Just saying they, they probably

1862
01:48:28,760 --> 01:48:32,880
went through all these people in
this city, probably had to go

1863
01:48:32,880 --> 01:48:35,040
through therapy after what
happened to them.

1864
01:48:35,040 --> 01:48:38,480
Yeah, Yeah, you were, they
probably still going.

1865
01:48:38,520 --> 01:48:42,320
You're right that when they were
trying to help her, it wasn't

1866
01:48:42,320 --> 01:48:46,400
working.
And so they all decided as a

1867
01:48:46,400 --> 01:48:50,560
community, we're going to just
help her through this and just

1868
01:48:50,560 --> 01:48:54,680
go along with it because of all
the things that they just went

1869
01:48:54,680 --> 01:48:59,520
through, knowing that, you know,
they had no control over what

1870
01:48:59,520 --> 01:49:02,040
was happening to them.
They were consciously aware of

1871
01:49:02,040 --> 01:49:04,960
what was happening to them,
couldn't do anything about it.

1872
01:49:05,400 --> 01:49:09,200
So I'm sure they were very
sympathetic to her plight

1873
01:49:09,920 --> 01:49:12,240
because they're she's, she's, I
was.

1874
01:49:12,360 --> 01:49:14,520
Going to say no they weren't
because they because she was

1875
01:49:14,560 --> 01:49:16,200
part of the reason why Wanda
was.

1876
01:49:16,640 --> 01:49:18,800
I mean.
Holding on to all of that for.

1877
01:49:18,800 --> 01:49:20,880
So long.
Speaking of dude, lock her up.

1878
01:49:21,920 --> 01:49:25,280
She wasn't.
They just had the Scarlet Witch,

1879
01:49:25,560 --> 01:49:28,680
her robot husband, and her
fighting all around the damn

1880
01:49:28,680 --> 01:49:30,520
town.
Vision destroyed their fucking

1881
01:49:30,520 --> 01:49:32,120
library.
It's like, how's library even

1882
01:49:32,120 --> 01:49:33,720
still standing?
Vision went through the fucking

1883
01:49:33,720 --> 01:49:37,160
roof in that library.
They they probably had some fun.

1884
01:49:37,200 --> 01:49:40,800
So what was so it probably was
like, OK, we don't get y'all

1885
01:49:40,840 --> 01:49:43,000
this money and y'all just be
quiet.

1886
01:49:45,000 --> 01:49:47,240
It's like they they went through
so much, it's like they

1887
01:49:47,240 --> 01:49:50,160
probably, they probably still
have still have tanks around

1888
01:49:50,160 --> 01:49:53,120
there and shit like fucking they
just left them because, you

1889
01:49:53,120 --> 01:49:54,880
know, government don't don't
like cleaning up after

1890
01:49:54,880 --> 01:49:56,280
themselves.
They're probably tanks and all

1891
01:49:56,280 --> 01:49:58,440
kinds of shit just sitting out
there in the fucking field.

1892
01:49:58,880 --> 01:50:02,200
It's like just fucking just, I
mean, people, people probably

1893
01:50:02,200 --> 01:50:06,080
still have half a house, but.
What What tell you say a

1894
01:50:06,160 --> 01:50:08,200
problem?
What was the Angel going to do?

1895
01:50:08,520 --> 01:50:11,680
Like, what was Andrew Wu and
SWORD?

1896
01:50:11,680 --> 01:50:19,160
What were they going to do with
this woman who is supposedly

1897
01:50:19,160 --> 01:50:25,400
very powerful, who Wanda has
basically made something else

1898
01:50:25,760 --> 01:50:28,960
and they can't do anything about
it, but they can't lock her up?

1899
01:50:29,120 --> 01:50:30,800
Asia Wu's back in San Francisco,
that was.

1900
01:50:30,800 --> 01:50:32,480
That was proven in Quantum
Mania.

1901
01:50:36,360 --> 01:50:38,120
He had.
He was having lunch with Scott,

1902
01:50:38,120 --> 01:50:40,600
that goes.
Back to everything.

1903
01:50:41,640 --> 01:50:44,560
Back together.
And we're not a that.

1904
01:50:44,600 --> 01:50:48,600
Doesn't even mean that he didn't
go there and actually try to

1905
01:50:48,600 --> 01:50:52,040
break it.
So it I mean, we can't discount

1906
01:50:52,040 --> 01:50:55,320
that we don't know.
But what we do know is that all

1907
01:50:55,320 --> 01:51:00,120
these people, despite what she
did, they were still trying to

1908
01:51:00,440 --> 01:51:04,400
help her get through it.
Nobody locked her up, sword

1909
01:51:04,400 --> 01:51:08,800
could easily put her away, put
her on the raft and just left

1910
01:51:08,800 --> 01:51:11,960
her there to rock.
They didn't do that.

1911
01:51:12,560 --> 01:51:13,920
What what's what's what's we're
going to do?

1912
01:51:13,920 --> 01:51:16,400
Come up with some card tricks.
You know what?

1913
01:51:16,400 --> 01:51:19,320
And on that note, that's it for
our show.

1914
01:51:20,120 --> 01:51:22,360
You can no Mike put the cards
down.

1915
01:51:22,360 --> 01:51:26,240
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1916
01:51:26,520 --> 01:51:29,440
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1917
01:51:29,440 --> 01:51:31,520
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1918
01:51:31,520 --> 01:51:33,480
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1919
01:51:33,480 --> 01:51:36,240
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1920
01:51:36,240 --> 01:51:39,080
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1921
01:51:39,080 --> 01:51:40,880
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