Agatha All Along, Part 2 (Episodes 6-7) - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #316

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You just started the recording
yet?

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This fall, you started it.
You don't want to smoke fun.

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You know what?
I'm, I'm, I'm telling you, I'm

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going to need to go ahead and
schedule that Seahawk battle.

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I'm ready to fight you.
You know what?

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What's up, hybrids?
Welcome back to another episode

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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast.
This is Hanukkah.

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I am here with Mike, Anthony and
Michelle, and we are, if you

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haven't been able to tell,
because I'm keeping that first

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bit in, we are discussing
Progatha All Along, Episode 6

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and seven.
And it's funny, you see, I'm

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dressed up for Halloween.
We're talking about witches, so

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yay.
And I know that when we recorded

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the first part of Agatha, we
said that we were going to do

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the last four episodes together.
But I'm going to say that when I

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watched Episode 6, I was
chomping at the bit then to talk

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about it because I was like all
of the unenthusiastic responses

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that I had to the first five
episodes, they fully made-up for

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for me in Episode 6.
Episode 6 is what made me say,

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OK, I'm in.
I want to know more.

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Like, I don't know why it took
them so long to get to that

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point.
That episode with the back story

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of how Billy Maximoff became
William Kaplan.

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I loved it.
I loved it.

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I was like, where was all of
this for the Paris fired?

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Episodes.
It was there, you just didn't

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see it.
You just.

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Joined me.
It's it.

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It was not there.
It was not there just trying to.

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It was not there, no.
I'm not.

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I'm not even going to try.
To argue with you a lot, but I'm

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not going.
To Yeah, it was there for you.

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And that I think that's the
thing because everybody has been

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like laughing at our and I'm
back and forth.

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It was not there for me.
And and even now going back,

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look, knowing what I know about
the 6th and 7th episodes, there

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are things that I can see like,
OK, here are these threads and

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this is where they were kind of
doing it.

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But no, episodes one through 5
did not have me interested.

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And if I go back and rewatch
them now, I'm still going to be

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like me.
And I think I figured out for

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myself what a big part of it
was, But we'll get into that a

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little bit later on.
So I'm going to ask Anthony,

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since you are the other
dissenting voice, about episodes

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one through 5.
Did episode 6 or seven or six

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and seven change your thoughts
about the show in any way?

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Remember, you have to have a
place.

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I was talking to Anthony.
Michelle, don't make me mute

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your mic.
I'm not saying anything.

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So episode 6 made-up of a lot of
the failures of episodes one

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through 5.
A lot.

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I'm still on the fence about the
show, but I do see that six and

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Seven or well, episode 6 has
definitely improved my opinion

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of the show, so it's not quite
all the way down there with.

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Don't.
You?

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Don't.
No, no, absolutely the fuck not.

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Mike, don't make me mute your
mic.

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Don't make me mute your mic.
It's it's not down there

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anymore, you know, it's just
above She Hulk.

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Sir, it's above or below.
It's moved up past She Hulk.

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OK.
OK.

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Yeah, OK.
Thank you.

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But it it's.
What about Hawkeye?

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Is it above?
Hawkeye, oh, Hawkeye is like one

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of the better shows, so.
No, that's the Babel.

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We need to wait till we get to
the.

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Anyway, let me get to the last
two before you get there.

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I I see, OK, so we're going to
probably argue about this and

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when they say my piece, and I'm
not going to say anything else

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about it.
But it seems as if whatever

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issues they were having in the
writing room that they were

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somehow able to maintain and
keep some of the things from

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those first five episodes and
make something out of it that

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was much more compelling and
interesting than what they

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started out with.
So I'm not saying they had all

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this plan from the beginning.
I'm just saying that maybe they

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were like, OK, this is kind of
where he wanted to go, but all

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the other stuff around the
framework was kind of bad.

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It it was, but seems as if the
framework was there.

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It's just, it was just not well
written around that, which would

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make sense.
But they would be like, you know

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what, you're writing some trash.
We're going to have to.

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We have to change something and
it worked.

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It worked out.
The dog is over here hitting me

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like even though.
The dog knows you're wrong.

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You see that even the dog knows.
We're not going to say he's

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wrong.
That is his.

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That is his opinion and what he
took away from it.

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And I think that was part of the
problem with the last episode,

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because y'all were trying to
tell me and Anthony we were

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wrong.
We were wrong.

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We're like, no, this is our
opinion.

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This is what we took away from
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Like if y'all liked it, that was
fine.

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But for me, Anthony, and
especially because y'all know me

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and Anthony don't always agree
when it comes to these shows, so

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the fact that both of us were on
the same page was a little

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strange.
But I mean, just like what he

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just said, I kind of felt the
same way when it came to these

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two episodes.
And I don't, I think part of the

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problem for me, and I've noticed
this when I rewatched episode 6

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and seven, and I think I
mentioned this in the the part

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one that we dealt with, I feel
like Agatha is she's playing a

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version of herself and that
version of herself that she's

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pretending to be the mean
person, the snarky person is

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coming off very inauthentic to
me.

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And I think that's what bothers
me so much about it.

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That's why I don't really care
for her character.

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There are some instances where I
can go back now over the 1st 5

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episodes and then a couple of
times in the 6th and 7th episode

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where you kind of see what I
feel like is the genuine her.

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She doesn't bother me in those
instances, but the parts where

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she's being really snarky and
when she's trying to put off

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this air of being this mean
witch, and that's what

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aggravates me about her, about
her character.

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And because we saw so much of
that in the 1st 5 episodes, I

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think that's part of the reason
why I didn't like them so much.

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But episode 6 and episode 7,
because they focused on, to me,

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two of the more likable
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I think that's why I was able to
look at them a little bit

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differently.
And then just William slash

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Billy's whole story as far as
how this came to be, that was

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just so fascinating to me, given
what we knew about what happened

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in one division.
So yeah, it I think that's for

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me, that's probably what it is.
It's more about building these

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characters up and giving us a
little bit more background into

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how they are, where they are
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That's the characters.
That you were mostly more

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interested in because what what
I hear you saying is that in the

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beginning you wasn't feeling
Agatha, who this is about her,

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her character 2 or 6 and a
couple of, you know, friends we

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did mention.
But when it got to Billy, who

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you mostly was interested about,
that's what pulled you in.

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But also because the story was
more focused and even with Lilia

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going through what she went
through as far as jumping back

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and forth.
In time it was confusing at

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first, but then when you see
what her story is and and and

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basically how she's had to live
her life, it makes sense because

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the story was more focused.
I feel like in the 1st 5

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episodes it was just kind of
all.

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Over the place, it wasn't
focusing again on the characters

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that you are mostly interested
in, focused on them.

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No, it even if it was even.
With it, no, I mean I totally

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get what Conoco is saying.
I could understand why she is

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now more pulled into it than
before because like when we're

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talking about the witch with her
curse and stuff, I mean it

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wasn't her.
However, it it wasn't as a

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detailed story as Billy's
episode or detailed story with

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our next episode.
You know what it what it almost

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seems like as if I, I, we could
probably look on Wikipedia and

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see, but it's almost as if each
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Like they were responsible for a
character and they wrote the

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episode they were and the the
strength of the episode was

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based on the strength of the
writer.

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Does that make sense?
It does it.

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Does it?
Wasn't 1 cohesive person OK?

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So but for me, I disagree.
Then I push back a little bit

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and disagree it there are those
strings and it things do tie

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together.
And I think it's like a roller

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coaster ride where it was just
building up speed and getting to

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the height.
And then this height was Billy

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episode and now we're going for
the ride.

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So I think it was just pulling
us in like why it have been

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enjoying it and I saw the
pieces.

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So when it came together these
last two episodes, I mean I did,

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y'all are just not getting it
now, but I got it.

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I I think the the.
Thing that bothered the thing

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that bothered me the most.
Wait wait, we had to get Mike's

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a pink bop the two episodes
first to the father but.

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Hanukkah said it would bother
her, so I want to say.

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That's fine, That's fine.
Keep going.

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I already wrote down what I'm
going to say.

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For the good and shine and
posse.

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I just want to make sure I get
what I wanted out before we go

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into Yeah, I just wanted to say
that would bother me the most as

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it was very similar to the
Acolyte.

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So those of you who watch The
Acolyte would see.

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Not.
That when we do, when we go back

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and redo time jumps, we go back
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perspectives of things that
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That shit isn't always really
isn't really always good, and

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it's not necessarily great.
Friends is nothing like that

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though.
I don't understand why Disney or

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Marvel or I don't know why
whoever is running things over

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there, things that this is a
great way to tell a story and it

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really isn't that we're going to
have flashback episodes.

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The shit that happened before
the show even started.

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So that actually kind of bothers
me because I just want you to

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give me a story from beginning
to end and I don't need to go

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back and the oh man, I need to
go back and watch those first

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five episodes to see all the
stuff that I missed because

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y'all gave me the episode that
should have probably been the

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1st.
That's all I want.

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I'm going to talk about.
I'm going to talk.

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About what you're saying, that's
what you're saying.

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My children, let's stop.
I'm good.

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OK, definitely not what happens.
So I, I understand what both you

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and and Michelle are saying.
Michelle, I think the thing with

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the earlier episodes and let,
let's talk about the Alice

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episode, because like you said,
it's, it does seem like now

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they're starting to go to
individually focused episodes.

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The episode that talked about
Alice's curse, I think part of

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the issue was even though it was
focusing on her character, it

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wasn't focusing on her
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You had the little bit about the
curse and about her mom and the

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protection spell, but then you
also was trying to figure out

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what the hell Rio and Agatha
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And then you had this and then
you had the stuff with Agatha's

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mom.
It was just too much going on.

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And, and again, I think I said
this in the previous episode, I

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am big about character
development.

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Like give me a story that makes
sense.

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And even with the flashbacks for
Billy and Lilia's, and

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technically speaking Lilia's is
flashback slash, time travel

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slash whatever, it still kind of
made sense because the focus of

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the episode was mainly on them.
It wasn't all over the place.

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Oh, let's pull up.
You know, kind of like watching

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Discovery Witches.
Let's pull a thread here.

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Let's pull a thread here.
Pull a thread here.

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Time and a knot.
And that's the episode.

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I just I wasn't feeling that
formula now.

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Push back because Lydia episode
I don't think we got a deeper

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character development.
Billy yes.

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And see, that's where that's
where we'll disagree because I,

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I think we got a lot more with
Lily actually.

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I just know she time travels.
I just know she's now reading

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the things that was happening to
her to get to the final

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conclusion before she dies.
I didn't get anything extra like

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I don't know what happened to.
This OK, you didn't.

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I did that.
That's the, but that's the whole

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point of.
Like did she have once a family

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like any anything other than the
time travel and her learning

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things and holy now
understanding why she goes back

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and forth and how she feels
about that.

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We got that.
But what else did you get you?

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Didn't get that she was going
without a coven then she.

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Yeah, I got that part.
We got that.

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Part I mean everything about.
So everything about.

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First of all, I wanted this to
be a pleasant discussion about

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all kinds of nice things, but
then you go bring up the

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Acolyte.
Like really?

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OK, first of all, the Acolyte
completely screwed up how it did

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time jumps.
Like I was confused the whole

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time.
That's one of the worst parts

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about the whole damn series is
like, you have to be really

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specific about time jumps when
you're doing them.

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And I kind of see how you can
get confused in episode 7 when

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you going, when you're going
through what, when you going

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through her back story and and
like, and they're trying to

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catch you up with all of her,
all of her intuitions that are

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coming true, like the the Alice
don't save Sophie, save Agatha,

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which was in two different
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And I'm just, but it's kind of
like the seventh episode of The

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Boys, which we just recorded
about.

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It's like when at the end when
we figure out that Butcher is

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totally imagining his friend and
you go back and you go through

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the Fight Club montage of him
talking to someone who's not

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there and that, and this is kind
of the way, kind of their way of

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explaining.
Her.

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Getting to the point in that
trial where she's reading tarot

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and she's the one that
understands that, that has the

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gift of sight, where she can see
things in the future.

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And I wait.
Hold on, let me get to my page I

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wrote.
A dissipation.

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I took notes and I as far as the
like really being unlikable and

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and like being snarky all the
time.

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So great coach Dennis Green, God
rest his soul, he he was a coach

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in Arizona.
They were.

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They had the lead, that lead on
a team, but they ended up losing

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in the second-half and they
asked him about it and he said

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they are who we thought they
were.

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Yes.
Yeah, Anthony knows.

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Yes, Agatha is who we thought
she was.

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If you didn't think that she was
going to be snarky and throw all

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kinds of comments on it, I don't
know what to tell you.

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No.
No, no, what I'm saying is the

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snarky part of Agatha, I feel
like is not who she truly is.

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And and the fact that she's
trying to be that she, it seems

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like she's being so forceful to
put forth that persona.

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That's what's bothering me
because I feel like at her core,

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that may not be who she is.
OK, I can, I can agree.

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I can, we can agree to disagree
on that.

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I think, I think that's that's
part of her thing because that's

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all she's shown us is like, you
can only, we can only believe

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what you show us.
And if she shows us that she has

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all kinds of snappy comebacks
and backhanded comments and

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about things that about people
that she's talking to, then

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that's who she is.
It's like I, I, I, I just think,

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I think that's what she's shown
us.

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That's my, that's my, that's my
opinion.

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OK, so I don't think you really
understand what I'm saying when

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I'm describing her.
If you think about the Agatha

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that was revealed to us in one
division.

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OK, and and I'm, I'm going to
preface this by saying something

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that Nick, one of our listeners
and one of our friends.

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Hey, Nick said in response to
our discussion.

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It was like a light bulb moment
for me.

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And I was like, oh, yes, that's
exactly it, at least how I look

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at it.
When we look at the way Agatha

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was in one division when she
made the reveal, when it when it

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became Agatha all along and we
realized that she was the one

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that was manipulating.
She was the one that was doing

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all the evil stuff.
Then it really felt like she was

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an evil person.
You get what I'm saying?

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Like I had no, I had no doubts
about who she was.

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Now it almost feels like a
parody of that person she was in

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Wanda Vision and something that
Nick brought up that made me

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really think about it.
When you look at when you look

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at Wanda's back story, when when
it goes back to when her her

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mother tried to have her killed,
she seemed different than she

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wasn't evil.
She was genuinely just trying to

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be a witch.
Her mom thought she was evil and

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she ended up doing the evil
stuff because they were trying

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to kill her.
But also this whole time,

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including when, when Wanda
Vision was going on, she had the

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dark cold, which could have been
influencing the way that she

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that her personality was.
Now she's been living three

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years without the dark cold.
She's been three years under a

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spell where she's been
pretending to be someone else.

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And now that she's broken free
from that spell, it almost feels

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like she's putting on a front
because she still wants people

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to think that she's mean, that
she's evil, that she will kill

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them at a moment's notice.
But I don't think that's really

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who she is.
And that's why.

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If you were under a spell for
three years and you all of a

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sudden came out of it and was
like what the fuck is going on?

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Would you not be that way?
OK, you don't you don't

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understand what I'm saying.
I understand if she wants to be

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that person, but it feels like
she's faking being that person.

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She's coming off to me like
she's still acting like she's

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under a spell IF.
You OK?

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I see what you're saying.
I see what you're saying.

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It doesn't come across as
genuine to me right now.

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OK.
Because I think she we're not

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going to agree on that, so
that's fine, but I agree.

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I agree with Hanukkah with that
one because, but not in the way

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you think.
I agree with you Hanukkah

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because I think that is it.
I think she has a front up.

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I think with all the stuff she
has gone through that she does

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pretend to be who she is.
And no, we are not going to.

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In little moments through these
seven episodes, we saw a little

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glimpse of who she really is,
but she has that wall up and she

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is hiding behind that.
So we're not going to get the

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authentic her until you really
get to know her and we pull away

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those layers.
And I, and I don't have a

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problem with that.
I just don't like that.

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Like, OK, I'm going to put it to
you like this.

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In Billy's episode, you know,
when we're going back through

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Billy's recollections of what
happened to him and his meeting

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with Agatha, if you remember the
scene where in Agatha's mind, it

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took place in the police
station, but in his vision, it

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took place in her living room.
And just the way that she was

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when she was like, do you want
to poke the bear?

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Do you want to?
Like, that was an obvious

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exaggeration because again, at
that point, she was under the

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spell.
She didn't know she was being

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controlled, so in her mind, when
she's in the police station,

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she's asking him in a regular
vose.

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Do you want to poke the bear?
Are you dot, dot, dot?

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That seemed like a genuine
response.

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OK, The way that she's acting
now, it would be like, it would

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be like me going around
pretending like I'm the most

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vicious, vile person.
But if you guys know me and know

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that I'm not that person, if you
see me going out acting like

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acting that way and obviously
acting like I'm on a stage play

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or something, that would be
bothersome.

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That's kind of how I perceive
it.

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She it is.
It's just like she's acting

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apart and.
She knows that I know for you,

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but that's what she's doing on
purpose.

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And even her point of view and
his point of view, she's still

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under the spell.
That is not even truly her

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anyway.
But it felt real to you because

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that's what the spell wanted her
to be like a True Detective.

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But again, that's the front she
putting up and they believe it.

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I just don't.
I just.

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The people around her believe
those things keep carrying on.

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I don't know if I don't know if
I feel like they do.

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I'm sorry my I don't know if I
feel like they do, but they do,

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they say.
How evil she is.

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I'm willing to compromise and
say that part of it's real and

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part of it's fake.
I think I think that she still

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has some of that in her
personality when she has that

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snark because her snark is too a
lot of the thing.

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Some of the snark that she says
is too practiced and polished

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for her to not for her to be
faking it.

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I think that she's been leaving
for hundreds of years.

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She has plenty of time to pick
up all kinds of snark and to be

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cynical about a whole lot of
shit because she's seen a whole

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lot of shit.
So I just said, man, we, we saw

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this when when Billy looked her
up and they went through

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everything that they've seen her
in, I mean, from her being

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Jolene to her being at the
Hindenburg to all this other

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stuff that she's been through.
She's been through a lot.

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So she is entitled to have a
level of snark.

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And I see what you're saying.
And it could and it could be as

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far as, as far as her, as far as
her maybe overdoing it a little

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bit, I can concede that she
probably is.

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I can concede that.
I'm just saying that for

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example, in the Ouija board
episode, when they were when

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they were trying to punish her,
she's she's sister.

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She's like, This is why I don't
have female friends, which is a

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which which I was like that just
fits right in with her

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personality.
But that actually seemed like a

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genuine part, like that was
something that was genuine.

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But the rest of it is almost
like she's.

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It's almost like she's still in
Wanda's sitcoms and she's a bad

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actress and, and I don't know,
something about that is, is is

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tainting the way that I looked
at those earlier episodes.

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OK, that's what I'm saying.
OK.

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And I can even attribute it to
Anthony's complaint about the

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writing.
It's like maybe she's being

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written uneven as far as her
snarky comments.

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Like maybe some of her comments
are written in a way where she

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performs them.
They're just, they just don't

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land where other ones, where she
performs them, they land

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perfectly.
So, So there's a lot, there's a

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balance there that is really
precarious.

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Sometimes she hits it, sometimes
she doesn't.

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I mean, it doesn't bother it.
It really doesn't bother me

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because I'm kind of, I'm kind of
looking at it as a whole of her

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being snarky.
So and then it takes me back to

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the episode Vision.
She takes Wanda back and goes

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through her life and the things
that she says then like when

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they're in the basement, I feel
like, I feel like she's still

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kind of in that lane.
And I, I mean, there is there is

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the thing of her just coming
out, coming out of Wanda's spell

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that we still have to deal with
that, that still is probably

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affecting her too.
So I'm I'm willing to concede

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that there are some parts that
are that are proper snarking

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some parts that might be a
little overdone.

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Also real quick before we go on,
out of everyone else, I agree

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that Billy's story has gotten, I
mean he got a whole episode

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basically.
It's like Lillian didn't even

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really get a whole episode.
She got 2/3 of an episode in

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episode 7 because most of that
really wasn't her episode.

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It was like 4/5, but it but it
didn't it didn't go into detail

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like it did Billy because
Billy's come because they're

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going to put Billy and do more
with Billy later.

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So of course they're going to
give us more of his story.

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And they didn't give us a lot of
story about Alice.

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I mean, even Jen might be coming
back later because there's

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there, there's certain things
about her character in the comic

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books that says that there are
there are there could be a place

445
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,960
for her further down the MCU.
But we have to wait for that

446
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,240
because we're not probably not
going to learn a lot about her

447
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:41,800
later.
I'm not about her in this

448
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:43,640
series.
See, that's the thing, because I

449
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:48,480
was, I was feeling like, OK, so
we got, like you said, most of

450
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:53,560
Alice's background or a bit of
Alice's background Episode 5.

451
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:57,520
And then you have Billy for six,
you have Lilia for 7:00.

452
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:03,080
So I kind of felt like with it
being just Billy, Jen and Agatha

453
00:27:03,360 --> 00:27:06,680
remaining, we've already heard
Billy's story.

454
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:10,880
So I'm thinking Jen might be the
next episode might be episode 8

455
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:15,440
and then the the finale episode
will be like Agatha story.

456
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,640
At least that's the kind of the
way that I would think,

457
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,440
especially with the way that
they've gone with these last

458
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:25,240
three episodes.
So I'm not, I'm not, I'm not

459
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:29,320
going to just count Jen off yet
because I feel like whatever we

460
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:34,640
need to know about her and her
story and why she's on the road,

461
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:38,000
I feel like we're probably get
that in Episode 8, which I have

462
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:42,400
not seen yet.
Yeah, I just think that I mean,

463
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:47,560
they have they have a lot, they
still have the ending, the grand

464
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:50,360
finale of the road to get to and
the whole lot of other stuff.

465
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,760
So they might not have time to
get into her story that much.

466
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,720
I mean, because we've already
she went, she was the first, the

467
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,800
first trial was hers.
Like that was that was her sure

468
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:01,760
moment to shine.
So if they would have given us

469
00:28:02,360 --> 00:28:04,560
the back story, I think they
would have given it, given us a

470
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,120
little bit more there.
Which again, is one of the

471
00:28:07,120 --> 00:28:10,080
problems that I have with the
earlier episodes because if that

472
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:14,200
was her trial, like you know how
how all of them were going

473
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,040
through and they were seeing
certain things that were

474
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,480
bothering them.
But we never really got her

475
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:23,840
story except for her to say he
took my magic and you don't

476
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:27,440
really know who he is.
You you get what I'm saying.

477
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:31,480
So maybe we'll see that in one
of the last two episodes.

478
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:40,360
But as far as Lilia, yeah, I I
agree with you that the episode

479
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:45,960
was not fully hers, but I think
it was enough of hers for us to

480
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,840
get because that.
Was yeah, you're right.

481
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:56,080
Yeah, for us to for us to get
her story and to understand what

482
00:28:56,080 --> 00:29:01,000
her, one, what her trauma was.
And then two, also just kind of

483
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,760
what her truth was and what her
path was as far as her being on

484
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:08,440
the road.
So all of it kind of tied

485
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:12,800
together because we did see in
Billy's episode that she was a

486
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:16,080
large part of that.
Like she was the one who placed

487
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:19,560
the sigil on him.
She was the one who knew what

488
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,920
was going to happen to William
Kaplan, knew that Billy was

489
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,000
going to take over his body, and
also knew that he would need

490
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,600
time in order to adjust for
that.

491
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:32,840
Which also goes into one of the
questions we had when we

492
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,080
discussed the first fight of
five episodes.

493
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:38,800
Because we were like, if Billy
was there all along, why

494
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,880
couldn't Wanda find him?
Well, if he was being hidden and

495
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,520
no other witches could find him,
Wanda wouldn't have been able to

496
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,080
find him either.
I mean, Billy didn't even know

497
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:52,240
for sure that he was who he was
until three years after all of

498
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,960
this happened.
So and and of course, you know,

499
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,080
just the little clues going
about.

500
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:04,280
So I think Lilia's story was a
good one because we did get to

501
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:07,880
learn all of that stuff and then
she got her closure.

502
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:09,680
She got to do what she needed to
do.

503
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,760
And now we get to go further on
the road.

504
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:18,040
But I will say this, as far as
those two episodes, like Billy's

505
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:22,360
reveal, again, we got that at
the end of episode 5 with the

506
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,040
mic drop.
And then you get it and the way

507
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:28,240
that they explained it and how
everything happened, that was

508
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,480
great.
But I would say Lilia's episode,

509
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,640
that was the one that had me
emotional, That was the one that

510
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:37,920
had me crying because I was just
like, no, I don't want her to go

511
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:41,800
anywhere because she is
genuinely, again, one of the

512
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:43,840
characters I like the most on
this show.

513
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,800
And it was just, once you learn
what her trauma is and

514
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:51,320
everything, she's like, look,
I've been chased out of every

515
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:55,040
village that I've ever been to.
I, I knew when people were

516
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:56,720
dying.
All I saw was death.

517
00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:00,600
That's a, that's a hard thing
for anybody to have to live

518
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:04,560
with.
And so for her to push her

519
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:08,440
powers aside just so she
wouldn't have to deal with that,

520
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,240
but then to turn around at the
end when she saves them all, she

521
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,280
was like, I love being a witch.
Oh my God.

522
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,840
I was like, I was like, why are
y'all making me cry now?

523
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:20,480
Y'all couldn't do this a few
episodes ago, But I, I, I mean

524
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,920
like like Anthony said, it could
be written differently, but I

525
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,520
just something about these two
episodes, just it like really

526
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:33,040
grabbed me.
Yeah, her episode was just

527
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:36,880
incredible.
Like, I mean, I, I I know it's

528
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,520
it's kind of wonky, but I like
the way they handled like

529
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:45,080
putting everything together like
I, I can, I can I dig that.

530
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:49,240
Especially the end when she when
she said, when she set the deck

531
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,800
and and started and started like
calling out everybody's cards

532
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:56,960
like that was just incredible.
And the reveal that I can't that

533
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,280
we all kind of knew anyway that
real was actually death.

534
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:05,680
Like that was just and the and
shout out, shout out to the

535
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:09,240
visual effects in this show when
they did that flash and showed

536
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,360
her face with the skeleton on
the bottom and her regular face

537
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,680
on the top.
And I was just like, Oh shit.

538
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:20,400
And see, that's the crazy thing
because I I may have to adjust

539
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,120
the settings on my TV.
It was so dark I couldn't even

540
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:24,760
tell.
The only way I knew what her

541
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:30,040
face looked like was someone had
posted a photo of it, a screen

542
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:33,920
grab of it on like an article.
And I saw and I was like, oh,

543
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,760
that's what she looked like.
Because even when I rewatched it

544
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:40,880
tonight, I couldn't really tell.
Yeah, yeah, it's kind of, it's

545
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:42,000
weird.
It's kind of hard to see on

546
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,400
certain monitors because like
even when I was watching,

547
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,560
watching other reactions,
because actually I watched it

548
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:52,840
again because I watched episode
7 at work on my phone and it was

549
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,800
kind of dark when they did it.
But when I watched it again on

550
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:59,160
my TV, like I could actually
see, I could see the light

551
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,840
hitting her face and I was like,
oh shit.

552
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,880
So it's like you definitely need
to need to like adjust your

553
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:11,640
contrast to lighter for this
show, because I mean, the whole

554
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:17,640
thing with even with her, with
her and Jan's conversations in

555
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,960
underground like that, that shit
was hilarious to me.

556
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:28,120
It's just like I loved I loved
you 5 minutes ago, like 5

557
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,400
minutes ago.
You like that was that was funny

558
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,760
as shit.
I was laughing watching this

559
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,040
episode because I was like, oh,
all this.

560
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,160
Technically, going back in time,
I said Anthony is going to get

561
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:39,640
irritated.
Oh, yeah.

562
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:43,080
Because we know Anthony does not
like time travel.

563
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,520
But I think the way.
To think this, this kind of time

564
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:48,280
travel doesn't bother me as
much.

565
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:50,520
Because it's within the one
person.

566
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:56,200
Well, yeah, it is magic, and
magic time travel doesn't

567
00:33:56,200 --> 00:34:00,360
require it is they don't pretend
to have a scientific basis.

568
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:04,720
OK, he says that now.
It's so funny.

569
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,800
About about your about the
Outlander show.

570
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:11,199
And I said I don't have a
problem with the time travel now

571
00:34:11,199 --> 00:34:15,040
because I feel like it's magic.
And the other one with Sandra

572
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:19,040
Bullock, that was Magic, which
sort of did have a little yeah,

573
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,840
about time travel.
Is that the one with the letter?

574
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:26,920
Yeah, I I told you it was
fantasy too.

575
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,639
OK, OK, OK.
Because at first she was like, I

576
00:34:29,639 --> 00:34:33,679
don't know about that, OK.
But no, when Lilia said time is

577
00:34:33,679 --> 00:34:36,520
a construct, I would.
I heard that in Anthony's voice.

578
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:37,639
I have.
Said that before.

579
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,440
I know, that's why I heard.
Of it you want to make sure I

580
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:41,280
keep.
It we know.

581
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:45,080
So when I see another show about
time travel, we have

582
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,840
conversations about time travel.
I can refer back to this if it's

583
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:50,920
Matthew.
The thing about, I think the

584
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:56,239
thing about Lily is time travel
that we experienced was that I

585
00:34:56,239 --> 00:35:00,880
think the thing that makes it
easier to follow and more easy

586
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:05,440
to digest is the fact that it's
not like she's time travelling

587
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:10,880
and she's interacting with
herself or it's not like she's

588
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:14,400
interacting with other versions
of the people that she's been

589
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,200
surrounded by.
We're literally looking at her

590
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:21,840
time travelling, but for us it's
like flashbacks because we've

591
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:28,560
seen her do these things like
when when Teen and Agatha were

592
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,600
in her kitchen and she was she
was wigging out.

593
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,920
When they show her her time
travel, her skipping through

594
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:39,240
time and then putting it
together so that we can see the

595
00:35:39,240 --> 00:35:41,600
whole picture.
It was just kind of like, oh,

596
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:43,520
that's what she was
experiencing.

597
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,960
So it didn't feel, it didn't
feel like usual time travel to

598
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,080
me.
It just felt like, oh, that's

599
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,400
what she was, that's what she
was going through.

600
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:57,160
Yeah, and it's similar to the
mini Jesuit in Dune, where they

601
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:00,520
connect with each other across
time.

602
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,000
Time.
They're communicating with each

603
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:07,040
other because they're all
sharing the same experience and

604
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,800
that's how I feel like hers is.
It's not really time travel,

605
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:16,080
she's just experiencing being in
the same different places in

606
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:17,960
their same body so.
That's why I'll.

607
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:23,640
Have a problem with it?
Yeah, yeah, I mean, I her back

608
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:27,880
story was was just sad as shit.
It's like she actually told

609
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:33,000
foretold the disease coming to
coming to her coven and they see

610
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:34,840
still they still can't do
anything about it.

611
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,800
I was just like, damn, that's
what which, which goes back in

612
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:42,480
depth of explaining her, her
vision in the first trial.

613
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:49,320
We see her, her her maestro
looking up and then the specter

614
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,520
of death behind her.
And I was just like, oh fuck,

615
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:58,800
OK, but that that's, I mean, I
appreciated her story so much

616
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:03,560
and I love, I love the Uno
reverse of her turning the tower

617
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:07,040
right side up to defeat the to
defeat the seven.

618
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,440
Like that was awesome.
And then the whole, the whole,

619
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:15,000
the whole visual of the the room
turning upside down and

620
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,000
everybody flying up and her
catching the table was just

621
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,400
like, incredible.
Yeah.

622
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:25,240
Like I love that.
I loved it, but I I'm so sad

623
00:37:25,240 --> 00:37:26,720
that she's gone now.
Will.

624
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,560
Her and Alice like damn it.
Look, she's gone for us, but

625
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,040
technically speaking, she's not
gone because she went right back

626
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:37,320
to the beginning of her journey.
So going.

627
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:42,720
Back to train again.
Time is a construct, but OK,

628
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,600
let's go back to Billy's episode
because I have a couple of

629
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:52,640
questions about William Kaplan.
So when we get his episode

630
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,320
starting, he's getting ready for
his bar mitzvah.

631
00:37:56,000 --> 00:38:00,000
And there is, you know, we get
to see the programs there.

632
00:38:00,720 --> 00:38:06,160
Is it just me or did he not say
magic mitzvah?

633
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:08,880
Is that something usual?
Because I don't know anything

634
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,400
about bar mitzvahs.
I've never been to 1.

635
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,200
I don't know exactly what those
ceremonies entail.

636
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:20,640
They're usually seen magic
MAMAGMAGICK mitzvah.

637
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:24,360
Mitzvahs are themed usually
think back to think back to the

638
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:28,360
Boys episode 2 or 3 where they
went to the Miss Maisel mitzvah.

639
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,880
So it's like they're theme to
whatever, whatever the team

640
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,480
wants their party to because
it's basically a part.

641
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,200
It's a coming of age party.
It's like there's religion at

642
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:39,600
first.
Think of it like a wedding.

643
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:41,360
Like there's a whole lot of
religious stuff at the

644
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:42,920
beginning.
Then there's a big party where

645
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:44,520
where everyone has fun at the
end.

646
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:45,920
This is basically the same
thing.

647
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,520
He's doing the religious part of
becoming a man.

648
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:52,720
Then he goes to a party where
it's all about him and he's into

649
00:38:52,720 --> 00:38:56,120
Wizard of Oz, he's into mystical
stuff and all the other stuff.

650
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,200
And that's why he has fortune
teller.

651
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,120
Yeah, OK.
Yes, so that that's why it's the

652
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:04,000
magic mixer.
OK, because I was wondering, I

653
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:08,360
was like, OK, so is this like a
similar thing within a magical

654
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:13,840
community and his, you know, the
William Kaplan was magical as

655
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,920
well and that was maybe why
Billy found his body so quickly

656
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:18,720
and stuff.
I was just trying to wonder

657
00:39:18,720 --> 00:39:23,920
because even when we get the
three years later when William

658
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:28,640
Slash Billy is 16, you see his
appearance has already changed

659
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,760
and he kind of looks like this
quote UN quote goth person.

660
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:36,040
And just even some of the stuff
that he's discussing with the

661
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:40,280
boyfriend, it sounds like he's
heavily into magic and

662
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,840
witchcraft already at that
point.

663
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:46,360
So I was just like, OK, was this
something that William Kaplan

664
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:51,840
was also into or did it just
happen because Billy was in

665
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,560
there?
Didn't know who he was, but he

666
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:56,160
knew that he was magically
inclined.

667
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,680
So I was just confused about
that whole thing because when I

668
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,640
saw it on the program, I was
like, oh, does the magical

669
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:04,520
community does?
Like it will make sense if you

670
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,960
have a magical being that just
happens to be Jewish.

671
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:11,040
That OK If if that's how they
combine.

672
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:13,440
And Billy, Billy was actually
lucky.

673
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:19,240
Like this is this is part of I
think, I think this I think that

674
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:27,120
Billy, like Wanda's chaos magic,
had a lot to do because Billy

675
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:29,720
found the perfect by perfect
host.

676
00:40:30,240 --> 00:40:34,440
And let's be honest, people
would hundreds of people die a

677
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,040
second, thousands of people die
a minute.

678
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:41,040
And he he, but he had to find a
body after.

679
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:45,960
I mean he for some reason
somehow he found after after

680
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:51,040
being in the bubble and escaping
the bubble, he found the perfect

681
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:55,240
body.
Yeah, I mean, it's and I don't

682
00:40:55,240 --> 00:40:58,000
even know if I would say he
found it.

683
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:01,640
It just happened that everything
happened and.

684
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:03,600
Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm
saying.

685
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,880
That's what he's fortunate.
Like that's just but that and

686
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,160
that and that's like, I don't
know if that that's part of

687
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:14,000
Wanda's way of like the the hex,
the hex disappearing like

688
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:17,720
altered probabilities somehow
for him to be able to find that

689
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:21,880
because Wanda's magic during
Wanda's chaos magic, it it does,

690
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,320
it is partially probability
based.

691
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:27,760
She can alter probabilities,
right?

692
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:31,400
So she's probably, so it's
likely that I mean.

693
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:33,800
I mean.
I mean that she that that her

694
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:38,280
power she may have even
subconsciously trying to save

695
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,960
her kids.
Her chaos magic created that

696
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:45,520
situation for her, for him to
find a body that he would

697
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,760
actually thrive in.
Yeah, I mean, if you think about

698
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:54,520
the end of like right around the
time that the part that that we

699
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:57,520
heard in this one, when they
were when the kids were saying

700
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:01,640
goodnight to each other, right
before she walks out the room

701
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:05,720
when she's told them goodbye.
Like, of course Tommy doesn't

702
00:42:05,720 --> 00:42:08,320
know what's going on, but Billy
can read minds.

703
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,000
And I think we said this even
when we discussed Wanda Vision

704
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:15,200
way back then, like Billy
probably knew what was about to

705
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,760
happen.
And I don't know if there was

706
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,960
some kind of communication
taking place with him and Wanda

707
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:25,520
or if he just saw that in her
mind, like, oh, OK, I'm about to

708
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:29,080
have to kill my children.
And like you said, maybe with

709
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:33,920
his magic, he panicked.
Maybe it was that he felt

710
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:40,520
Williams spirit dying and exit
in the body and his mind just

711
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:43,960
kind of latched on that.
I I was thinking about it like

712
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:49,160
when when Charles Xavier got
killed by Jean Grey in the X-Men

713
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:52,280
movies, remember he went and put
his mind in that other body.

714
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:54,400
I was like maybe that was with
Billy too.

715
00:42:54,720 --> 00:42:56,480
Maybe he didn't do that on
purpose.

716
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,800
It just something, it was just
something that just happened to

717
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:03,000
happen because of who he is and
the type of powers he had.

718
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:05,080
Yeah, I mean, he didn't jump
into.

719
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:10,200
More about more about Wanda's
power, not his power I think.

720
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,600
I mean he, I mean, he didn't
jump into a 80 year old black

721
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:14,120
man.
So that would have been weird.

722
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:18,560
Just like you know with.
Yeah, because ultimately,

723
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:25,800
ultimately, Tommy and Billy are
constructs of chaos magic of

724
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:29,440
hers.
So by extension, it would still

725
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:33,400
be her magic controlling what
was happening.

726
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:38,680
OK, does that make sense?
So instead of I'm not just, I'm

727
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:42,000
not saying you're wrong, I'm
just saying the way I think

728
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:48,280
about it is it wasn't him using
his magic to find the way out.

729
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:52,720
It was her using her magic to
adjust the probability that he

730
00:43:52,720 --> 00:43:57,920
would be able to find, you know,
a body or be put in the body,

731
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:01,640
you know, because we don't know
if he did that or she did that.

732
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:03,960
Right.
I think it's more likely that

733
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,840
she did.
Maybe she didn't know that she

734
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,400
did because remember, and then
eventually wanted to save her

735
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:13,880
kids, you know, so OK.
I think, I think, I think Billy

736
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:18,200
had, I think Billy probably if
he, I think he, I mean, because

737
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:22,880
he was just not just figuring
out the extent of his powers,

738
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,720
like at the shootout, for
example, where he could stop the

739
00:44:25,720 --> 00:44:28,880
bullet, like he was just
figuring out the extent of his

740
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,280
powers.
He was like, he's like, oh man,

741
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,040
if I could do that, I wonder
what else I could do.

742
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:37,440
So I mean, if he's there and he
and he hears Wanda say, well, he

743
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:41,000
he can pretty can hear Wanda's
mind saying that she doesn't

744
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:42,800
want them to die.
He's like, well, how can I

745
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:46,840
prevent this?
Like, well, you know, I could

746
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:51,680
probably lift our consciousness
vessels and find another vessel.

747
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:53,840
OK, that, that that's a lot.
It's.

748
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:57,720
My theory.
It's my theory.

749
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:01,840
Let me have my theory, OK?
The timing was just you.

750
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,200
Can have your look.
When you have theories again,

751
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:06,160
you can have your theory.
This is my.

752
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:08,080
That can't even go with you on
that one.

753
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,000
That's fine.
It's my that's fine.

754
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,000
I don't like.
I oh OK, I said I had a theory

755
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,960
but I guess you don't want.
To hear no, he was saying fine

756
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:18,480
with me, he was saying fine with
me.

757
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,440
So what's your theory?
See.

758
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:23,000
See you, you.
You're a.

759
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:24,200
You're a.
Y'all don't want to?

760
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:25,760
Y'all don't want to hear my
theory?

761
00:45:26,240 --> 00:45:27,440
What's your?
Theory.

762
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:28,880
Really.
You're going.

763
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:32,640
To go there, I think I mentioned
this before, this whole witch's

764
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:37,560
road is is a farce, is fake, and
this is something that Billy has

765
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:40,720
created based on what he has
heard about it.

766
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:48,800
The Road was a myth created by
Agatha so she could lure witches

767
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:53,480
who were either ambitious and
wanted more power, or witches

768
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:57,760
who were weak and wanted to get
more power so she could steal

769
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:00,920
all of their power.
That's why she's the only one to

770
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:04,600
ever survive the Witch's Road,
because she's.

771
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:06,080
Is that how I win the?
Comics.

772
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,000
I'm sorry, does that how I win
the comics?

773
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,720
I don't know.
I don't, I don't read those

774
00:46:10,720 --> 00:46:12,280
comics.
Oh, OK.

775
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:17,200
I'm not a, I'm not a Wanda
Vision, you know, I, I don't

776
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:21,120
really read the, the, the
mystical stuff like that.

777
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:26,560
No, that sounds.
I mean that that sounds entirely

778
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:28,560
plausible.
And that's why she doesn't know

779
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:32,280
what the heck is going on.
She has no clue what is

780
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:35,040
happening.
And I'll be trying to figure,

781
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:39,560
and that's why she seems the way
she does, trying to figure it

782
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,560
out as she goes along.
And it ties into the posters

783
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:46,360
that surround his room and.
He said and she said you have a

784
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:52,200
tail just like your mom, so she
knows that he's and how he has

785
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:55,040
has power and all of a sudden he
can't do it because he's just

786
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:59,320
spending so much power creating
the construct that they're in.

787
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,560
Like his mother.
Yeah, just like his mom, he's

788
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:07,640
doing the same thing.
Which I would think as a writer,

789
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:12,320
I don't think I would kind of
copy the same thing that was

790
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:14,760
already done with one division.
But hey, if it weren't before,

791
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:19,040
why not do it again?
And I mean, he's her son, so it

792
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:23,960
wouldn't be unthinkable to say
that she.

793
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:26,600
Possibility.
Yeah, that to say that he might

794
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:30,960
be able to do the same thing,
just maybe on a I mean, we can

795
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:34,120
say on a smaller scale, but
again, we don't really know how

796
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:36,320
powerful he is.
We have to think about it.

797
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:42,920
He's still in a sense amnesiac.
Like he knows that he's Billy

798
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,440
Maximoff now.
He knows that he has a brother

799
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:48,280
out there now.
But even the way that he talks

800
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:51,960
about them is a little detached,
like he's not sure of them.

801
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:57,560
Because when when Agatha says
something about his mom or, you

802
00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:00,400
know, when she's referring to
Wanda as his mom, he's like,

803
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,400
she's not my mom.
I already have a mom.

804
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:09,160
It's very detached in a sense.
Like he knows that.

805
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:11,200
OK.
If I'm Billy Max Ma, she is my

806
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:13,760
mom.
And maybe also some of the stuff

807
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:17,960
that Agatha said to him as far
as oh, yeah, she she gave up her

808
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,680
flesh and wires to save a town
of people.

809
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:22,680
She, you know, a town of
strangers.

810
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:24,840
That could be.
Affecting him as.

811
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:29,240
Well, but I think we're still
dealing with him trying to

812
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:33,640
remember who he is and what
exactly happened.

813
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:36,080
Again, this is it's been three
years.

814
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:40,440
So with the trauma that he's
gone through, he really could

815
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:46,440
have blocked all of that out.
So that could be a part of, you

816
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:48,560
know, why he can't access that
magic too.

817
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:56,040
And then if he can only access
it in times of trauma or as he

818
00:48:56,040 --> 00:49:01,160
says, emotional heightenedness,
just like he can really hear the

819
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:04,600
people, hear what their thoughts
are.

820
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:07,440
If they are very close to him
and people that he cares about,

821
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,960
like he told the boyfriend, then
that could be the way he

822
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,680
accesses his magic.
It has to be through that kind

823
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:17,040
of chaos, for lack of a better
word.

824
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:22,480
You know, the trauma or the, the
great emotion and at that, just

825
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:25,520
at that moment, I don't think
Agatha was pushing him far

826
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:27,240
enough for him to actually be
able to use.

827
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:35,840
So I don't know I, but you know.
That's got me see that has me

828
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:38,880
thinking it's like especially
when they when they went into

829
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:42,600
the mud and they just ended up
like kind of underground, like

830
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:46,880
in almost looked like a spare
room like like that.

831
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:49,800
Does he not have the like he
just has the bandwidth to get

832
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:53,520
them out of the way and not
really destroying them?

833
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:55,600
We'll see.
I don't think he wanted to

834
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:57,680
destroy them to begin with
because.

835
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:00,280
No, no, no, no.
What I'm no, what I'm saying is

836
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:04,240
his theory that that the whole
witch's road is a construct of

837
00:50:04,240 --> 00:50:07,600
Billy's imagination.
Like maybe that's just like

838
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:10,000
something on the surface where
he just gets you out of the way

839
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,400
and drops you underground and
put you and just keeps you

840
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:15,320
somewhere that you're that
you're not around him.

841
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:21,040
And especially when when they
needed Lila for the the terror

842
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:24,200
reading, he said.
I wish she was here and boom,

843
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:26,640
there she is.
Yeah, yeah.

844
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,600
See and back to the thing about
about.

845
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:32,400
You're totally screwing me now,
my mind.

846
00:50:32,720 --> 00:50:37,880
Oh, and the thing about the mom
thing with Wanda, he has spent

847
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:42,400
more time with William's mother
three years than he ever did

848
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:43,840
with Wanda.
Yeah.

849
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:47,880
Because he, yeah, because he
aged so fast.

850
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:52,160
Yeah, he was with, he was with
Wanda, what, a few days?

851
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:56,040
And this is Mom.
Well, I mean, he was there six

852
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:58,600
years.
I mean, he did, but he was six

853
00:50:58,600 --> 00:50:59,440
weeks.
I'm just kidding.

854
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:00,240
Go ahead.
No, no, no.

855
00:51:00,240 --> 00:51:02,760
But I I think.
I I know what you wonder what

856
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:05,240
he's.
Saying as far as the whole W you

857
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:08,000
think that months, I think so.
Yeah, I think it was a few

858
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:13,400
months, but either way, three
years with a woman who treated

859
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:15,400
like a child.
Yeah, Dave.

860
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:18,200
Dave.
They they, they that's, that's

861
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:19,560
going to feel like you're real
mom.

862
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:22,600
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, he even even tried to

863
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:25,720
convince himself after he got
back to the hospital that he was

864
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:28,400
that that's who he was.
Like he was their son.

865
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:31,160
And he wasn't Billy Maximoff.
He was Billy Cap.

866
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:33,200
William Kaplan.
Well, he didn't know.

867
00:51:33,240 --> 00:51:35,400
He didn't know about Billy
Maximoff at that point.

868
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:37,320
He just didn't know who he was.
He.

869
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:39,800
Just I know, I know, but what
I'm saying is he was trying to

870
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:43,600
reinforce that and not try not
think though, because he, like

871
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:44,800
you said, he didn't know who he
was.

872
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:47,400
So he was trying to reinforce
the fact that that was his

873
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:49,640
mother instead of saying, well,
that's not my mom.

874
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:52,320
He was actually reinforcing the
fact that he part of his family,

875
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:58,600
so he had to act like it.
Yeah, yeah.

876
00:51:59,720 --> 00:52:02,680
But.
And he may not even, I'm sure he

877
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:05,120
doesn't realize that he's the
one.

878
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:08,840
That's part of my theory that he
he doesn't even know that he's

879
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:13,040
creating this situation.
Who does that sound like?

880
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:15,000
His mother.
His mother.

881
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:17,200
Because she didn't know what she
was doing.

882
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:20,480
She didn't know that she had
done to Westview what she did

883
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:26,080
until it got pointed out to her.
And that could have been what

884
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:30,360
that could have been what Agatha
meant when she said something

885
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:33,640
about you have a tell, because
when he asked her what is that

886
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:37,720
she, she didn't answer.
She just said inconvenient for

887
00:52:37,720 --> 00:52:39,160
you.
Yeah.

888
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:45,920
That could very well be it.
And and also I'm, I'm just

889
00:52:46,720 --> 00:52:50,960
thinking about these things
being a telepath, he can pull

890
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:57,240
things out and minds.
So are we even sure that Rio is

891
00:52:57,240 --> 00:53:01,480
real?
Like are we even sure that Rio

892
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:06,360
is actually the Rio we think
she's supposed to be or that he

893
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:08,640
has pulled her out of Agatha's
memories?

894
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:15,920
I mean, so when when he was
like, where's Rio and Agatha's

895
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:18,880
like don't worry about that,
like.

896
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:24,600
Yeah, but I mean also Agatha,
Agatha, she also.

897
00:53:24,720 --> 00:53:27,440
Had a job so she had to do some
work and then come back.

898
00:53:28,240 --> 00:53:30,880
Agatha is really good at
shielding her mind from Billy

899
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:33,720
too, because remember, Billy
could never read her mind.

900
00:53:33,720 --> 00:53:36,320
In one division.
He said that her mind was clear,

901
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:38,480
like he couldn't get anything
from her.

902
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:40,960
Like everyone else.
He could get something from her,

903
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:43,080
but from her she couldn't get
into the shield.

904
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:48,240
She's really good at shielding
from this Susanna Powers.

905
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:50,040
Yeah.
Well, what I'm saying is if she

906
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:52,560
had an inkling of that, that
this could, that he could

907
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:55,920
actually be Billy Maximoff
earlier, she's going to be like,

908
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:57,800
I need to.
Oh, I can't.

909
00:53:57,800 --> 00:53:59,920
I can't let him in my head.
Like I know.

910
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:02,680
But she doesn't have to have
powers for that though, because

911
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:05,000
she probably have trained over
the years, train herself to do

912
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:06,200
that.
That's what I would think is

913
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:08,440
aware.
Of but all the time that he was

914
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:13,160
with her when she was under the
spell, she wasn't blocking her

915
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:16,960
mind.
But in her mind, she was in the

916
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:20,480
spell, so she wasn't thinking
anything like she was in the

917
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:22,080
moment.
Like the memories are still.

918
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:24,040
Thick.
She's under spell.

919
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:26,240
She's a different person.
Not, yeah, not if she doesn't

920
00:54:26,240 --> 00:54:27,440
remember who she is.
She.

921
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:30,320
Blocks she can the memories are
still can't get.

922
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:31,720
There.
Yet that door was like.

923
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:34,680
Yeah, she didn't have that.
OK, Yeah, I guess.

924
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:38,480
I guess I'm giving Billy more
credit than I should, you know,

925
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:40,000
for my theory.
But yeah.

926
00:54:40,720 --> 00:54:43,200
And.
And she's to be real.

927
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:46,000
Real's real.
But she's been around a long

928
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:49,640
time that it was it will.
Even when she's under a spell

929
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:53,880
subconsciously she still has a
door block for people not to get

930
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:55,360
in now.
You're making stuff up.

931
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:59,080
I'm not, I'm making it up.
The fuck thank.

932
00:55:00,240 --> 00:55:03,360
You.
How the hell are making it up if

933
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:08,520
she's she's old enough one to
have trained that someone cannot

934
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:11,800
answer her brain and get the
information they need to get to.

935
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:15,640
And if she was under a spell
self consciously, she's still

936
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:18,880
going to block people out
because she's always done that

937
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:21,920
so no one can read her mind.
How did they work out for her

938
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:26,040
with Wanda?
That's about Wanda is much more

939
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:30,040
powerful than Billy.
So based on my theory, if Billy

940
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:35,080
is doing all this, he has almost
if not the same level of power

941
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:39,080
as Wanda does, no?
Even if he had the same level of

942
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:41,000
power he doesn't have, he
doesn't have anywhere near the

943
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,360
control that Wanda does.
That is true.

944
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:47,920
Which goes to my theory that he
doesn't know he's doing it, so

945
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:51,840
subconsciously he's going to
need information to do all the

946
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:53,880
things that.
He's doing but you have to work

947
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:57,720
hard on her brain because self
consciously she's still blocking

948
00:55:57,720 --> 00:56:01,760
him.
Subconsciously, she wasn't

949
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:06,080
subconsciously blocking him when
she didn't know who she was.

950
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:09,720
And self consciously he needs to
put he doesn't have enough power

951
00:56:09,720 --> 00:56:13,480
to unblock her brain.
He needs to be doing it

952
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:15,960
purposefully.
I'm just saying this because you

953
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:18,720
keep saying unconsciously and.
Self consciously.

954
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:21,920
Self consciously.
I said I didn't say self.

955
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:29,400
OK, self sub in out under this.
The what she what she what she's

956
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:33,320
basically doing is put is
putting up put is is is is is

957
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:35,520
covering her mind so no one can
see what's in it.

958
00:56:35,720 --> 00:56:38,480
And she only takes it off when
she when she feels comfortable

959
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:39,920
with somebody or when she wants
to.

960
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:45,480
Yeah, and the answer is the.
Block is up, the block is there.

961
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:48,320
Yeah, it didn't really help her
with Wanda, though.

962
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:51,640
Again, Wanda is a whole
different entity.

963
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:54,480
She doesn't know who she is,
Anthony.

964
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:58,600
She doesn't know she I mean,
even if he read it, he's always

965
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:01,640
going to read.
Is her being mayor of East Town

966
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:05,280
and trying to kick, kicking him
in the chair and like wondering,

967
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:07,600
wondering why, why, why the why
the hell he has he has

968
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:10,880
blueprints on his side because
she kicks him and then she's

969
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:12,960
like clicking a pin and he's
trying to help her.

970
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:16,640
It's like it's on, it's off,
it's on, it's off, you know, and

971
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:18,320
writing stuff like she's a crazy
woman.

972
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:21,680
It's like she's all she's
thinking about.

973
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:23,320
She's not thinking about being
Agatha.

974
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:25,440
She's not thinking about she
doesn't know who Agatha is.

975
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:26,800
And.
He's looking over her shoulder

976
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:28,440
for a beer.
Like what beer are you talking

977
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:30,120
about?
Poke the beer?

978
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:35,720
Put what beer?
But.

979
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:38,120
To answer, I don't remember
which one of y'all asked the

980
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:42,520
question as far as whether I
think Rio was something that is

981
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:47,080
I guess manufactured.
I don't I I don't think so.

982
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:50,240
I think Rio is probably the real
death.

983
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:51,680
She is.
That's what she.

984
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:54,240
And she real real because she
had a job.

985
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:56,560
To do, and she'll come back when
she's done.

986
00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:59,800
No, and I and I say that because
we were introduced to Rio's

987
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:03,320
character before Billy came into
the picture, before Teen even

988
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:06,400
entered the story, so she was
alright.

989
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:09,280
When?
When, when and what?

990
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:14,640
She's speaking her head in.
Her head like out in the open.

991
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:19,000
Unchecked.
Yeah, she, she was, she was out

992
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:20,560
there.
Remember, she came to visit.

993
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:23,280
She came to visit in the Police
Department.

994
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:27,720
When actor was walking around
her house talking to Rio,

995
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:30,440
thinking she was in the
detective station was real

996
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:33,080
really, there was Rio with her
head.

997
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:34,680
We can.
Be honest, we really don't know.

998
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:37,280
Maybe in in her house, she might
have been in her head.

999
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:40,720
I I think she was there at the
police station because the other

1000
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:41,960
she was.
Never at the police.

1001
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:43,280
Station Never at the police
station.

1002
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:44,640
Police station.
Was always there.

1003
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:46,720
She probably didn't even exist.
Yeah.

1004
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:48,360
Oh, that's OK.
That's right.

1005
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:51,560
Because I, I keep forgetting we
were looking at it from her

1006
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:53,480
point of view and OK.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1007
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:56,320
From the realistic point of
view, she walking around her

1008
00:58:56,320 --> 00:59:03,160
living room talking to Rio, who
wasn't even there, that was in

1009
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:04,560
her.
Which actually explained.

1010
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:07,080
Maybe not.
Which explains the part where

1011
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:12,320
she, where she well, and, and
the second episode when, when

1012
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:14,960
she was sitting down in the
chair with the mirrors and stuff

1013
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:18,560
and the, and the like TV tray,
like thinking it's a car and I'm

1014
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:19,880
like, what the hell is she
doing?

1015
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:24,280
I was like, then I saw this.
I was like, oh, I was like, OK,

1016
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:26,840
why she think it's a car?
I'm like, oh, she's pretty

1017
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:28,960
self-contained.
Like her whole, her whole

1018
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:33,720
illusion is self-contained
within it, within like two or

1019
00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:36,560
three houses because she went
out to her, She went out to

1020
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:40,560
Herb's Rose Garden and found a
body and but so it's like

1021
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:41,880
everything's pretty well
contained.

1022
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:45,600
So I'm wondering if she went
into these people's houses

1023
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:47,840
thinking like if she went into
Di's house thinking it was the

1024
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:50,520
library and she went into what's
the name's house thinking it was

1025
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:54,560
a pawn shop like.
OK you know what now that you're

1026
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:57,600
now that y'all are saying that
because I was only thinking

1027
00:59:57,600 --> 01:00:02,120
about the her point of view and
teen's point of view with just

1028
01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:04,800
those two characters but now
y'all saying that.

1029
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:09,160
Makes a whole lot of sense that
none of that stuff, her finding

1030
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:12,960
the body, her being in the
woods, none of that actually

1031
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:15,000
happened.
Even though the, you know, the

1032
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:18,920
neighbors were kind of like, or
what's his name Herb was like,

1033
01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:24,000
hey detective, fancy seeing you.
So if that was all in her head.

1034
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:28,920
OK, I will say this, thinking
about that now I need to go back

1035
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:32,400
and look at the 1st 5 episodes
and see if that changes how I

1036
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:36,760
perceive things because I didn't
even think about the fact that

1037
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:39,600
everything else was happening in
her head.

1038
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:44,440
I was just thinking from the
moment team hit the story.

1039
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:47,760
So, OK, she.
Was around her house.

1040
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:53,040
The body was the Rose garden in
the next the daisies whatever

1041
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:56,280
she took pictures of in like
close to the neighborhood.

1042
01:00:56,280 --> 01:01:00,800
So she's walking around just by
her house though pretend to be a

1043
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:02,200
detective.
That's why they look there,

1044
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:04,720
like, OK, I'm just gonna let her
go with this.

1045
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:06,960
And yeah, because, I mean, what
are you gonna do?

1046
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:10,760
It's like you, you're gonna risk
her, risk her having powers and

1047
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:14,080
like blasting you, blasting you
like into a negative universe or

1048
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:16,240
something like.
They don't know that, they just

1049
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:18,440
assume like she's.
Still, they don't know she can

1050
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:20,920
or can't, Exactly.
They don't even know that she.

1051
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:22,240
Hey, Wanda.
Yeah, sure.

1052
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:24,280
I'm a librarian.
Yeah, they're thinking, well,

1053
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:27,080
maybe she's still Underwanda
spell and she just couldn't get

1054
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:29,280
clear of it.
Well they didn't know she was

1055
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:32,240
still Underwanda spell because I
think Herb even said that when

1056
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:35,480
she walked across the street she
was like how long have I been in

1057
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:38,800
this spell?
He was like 3 years and she was

1058
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:41,160
like the fuck?
Well you.

1059
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:43,560
Know so they just went, they
just went with it.

1060
01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:46,760
And they, it's like they, they
didn't want to be around when

1061
01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:51,360
she snapped out of it in case
she was like, and all of a.

1062
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:53,280
Sudden.
But they don't know who she is

1063
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:55,640
though, do they?
Yes, they do.

1064
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:59,040
They do she's not.
I mean, in the in the in the

1065
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:01,120
grand finale, she snapped him
out of it for a second.

1066
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:04,880
So she saw once they knew Wanda
put her under it, but they also

1067
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:07,800
probably know that she's
probably the one because

1068
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:10,680
everybody outside knew that
something was going on inside.

1069
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:14,280
And you saw you saw with the
YouTube video that he watched

1070
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:18,440
that they they actually saw one
of the rooms that Wanda put up

1071
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:23,080
to to SAP to like make, make
Agatha not have power when they

1072
01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:26,400
were fighting.
So like, they, they knew they

1073
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:28,800
know what's up.
I mean, even when they come out,

1074
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:30,520
they're probably going to be
like, what the hell, They go on.

1075
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:34,320
You should be like, wait, that
chick is one of them too.

1076
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:39,000
So they're like, oh fuck.
But but you know, they probably

1077
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:44,800
the the the residents of
Westview one, they probably

1078
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:49,840
don't sign so many in NDA's that
it's just whatever they can't

1079
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:50,920
talk.
They don't say anything.

1080
01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:54,640
Could also be one of the reasons
why Billy has such a hard time

1081
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:58,840
finding someone to tell him
about what's going on, except

1082
01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:04,800
for Mr. Ralph Boner.
Boner yes, Sir.

1083
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:08,440
I'm so, I'm so glad to see him.
I was like, that's.

1084
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:12,360
Fucking awesome I.
Figured that's who that was.

1085
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:15,480
And did you have, did you have
flashbacks at when you when you

1086
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:17,640
saw him, you were like, oh God,
no more theories.

1087
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:24,680
No, no.
I was actually sitting there

1088
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:27,640
thinking that because when he
showed up, I said Oh my.

1089
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:30,240
And not just then.
I think it was in one of the

1090
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:33,240
first, one of the first few
episodes, I think we mentioned

1091
01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:36,120
this when Jen was the one who
mentioned Mephisto.

1092
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:39,360
I was like literally that
triggered me because I was like,

1093
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:43,480
Oh no, no, no, we can't do this
because we talked about Mephisto

1094
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:51,800
so much when we were yes, but we
participated in the discussion.

1095
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:54,720
So I'm saying we it was a
collective.

1096
01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:57,720
And it wasn't just Mike, it was
Laurie too.

1097
01:03:58,040 --> 01:03:59,880
But it was just one of those
things.

1098
01:03:59,880 --> 01:04:02,520
When Jen mentioned it, I was
like, Oh my God, are we going to

1099
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:05,160
start this again?
And I was like, no, we can't do

1100
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:07,120
this.
Wait, wait, wait.

1101
01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:11,720
Was was the Quicksilver thing?
Was that the thing that broke me

1102
01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:15,960
on the theater was.
That well, no, the the the the

1103
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:20,480
the person that Captain Marvel
was supposed was supposed to be

1104
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:24,120
meeting where we kept the.
We thought it was RE Richard.

1105
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:27,000
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But yeah, I think, yeah, I

1106
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:28,800
think, I think, I think Ralph
Boner broke you.

1107
01:04:29,120 --> 01:04:30,680
I think, I think, I think that
broke you.

1108
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:36,320
Yeah, Yeah.
I think that, I think.

1109
01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:40,000
That broke the theory train.
That derailed the theory train,

1110
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:42,840
yes.
Yeah, yeah, I think that was it.

1111
01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:44,320
That's why I was worried.
I was like, poor aunt.

1112
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:45,720
He's probably have flashbacks on
it.

1113
01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:51,920
Boner boner bitch.
No more theories.

1114
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:55,320
No more theories.
I mean, it was fun to have him

1115
01:04:55,560 --> 01:05:01,320
here because it's like when you
when you when you listen to the

1116
01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:06,480
conversation that teen is having
with him at that time, you do

1117
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:10,800
real, you do remember, OK, yes,
Wanda did this and she had the

1118
01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:13,960
town captain.
But then you also, like I said,

1119
01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:19,220
at that point, you are reminded
that Agatha was the quote UN

1120
01:05:19,220 --> 01:05:23,160
quote villain villain at that
time because she knew what she

1121
01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:27,600
was doing.
Wanda did not, you know, And so

1122
01:05:27,600 --> 01:05:32,600
to see to see Ralph go through
that and recollect that and, and

1123
01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:36,280
the type of trauma that he's
dealing with from that, I was

1124
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:40,240
like, OK, so seeing him and
seeing the way that he's

1125
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:45,360
reacting, like that's reminding
me of who Agatha is supposed to

1126
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:48,240
be.
And like I said earlier, I'm

1127
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:50,760
just not really getting that
from her now.

1128
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:53,560
But again, that could be
explained because of the fact

1129
01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:57,320
that she had the dark cold back
then and now she doesn't.

1130
01:05:57,560 --> 01:06:01,040
And then also going back to the
dark cold and going back to your

1131
01:06:01,040 --> 01:06:02,560
question about death and all
this.

1132
01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:10,000
So if Rio is deaf and Rio has
already stated that she did

1133
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:13,560
something to someone she loved
that was bad, which we all know

1134
01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:19,400
she's she's talking about Wanda.
Oh also side no all of the queer

1135
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:23,640
coded jokes in these episodes
are were hilarious as hell.

1136
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:33,240
But anyway, going back to that,
do you think that Rio has

1137
01:06:33,240 --> 01:06:38,320
something to do with Agatha's
son disappearing?

1138
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:41,280
What whatever the sacrifice was?
Because we don't even know if

1139
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:44,200
Agatha's son is dead or not.
He might still be alive.

1140
01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:46,440
He might be, you know, we we
don't know.

1141
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:50,760
But do you think Leo has
something to do with that?

1142
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:54,680
And she's trying to keep that
from from Agatha, Like maybe her

1143
01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:57,560
son is still alive, but she
doesn't want to tell Agatha or.

1144
01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:01,560
I think I think she absolutely
has something to do with it,

1145
01:07:01,560 --> 01:07:04,600
whether he's alive or dead,
whether whether she helps help

1146
01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:07,880
make it to make a deal to broker
for his for his soul, or she

1147
01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:12,080
took him early before he before,
before Agatha felt he was

1148
01:07:12,080 --> 01:07:14,880
supposed to go.
Like maybe he maybe he maybe he

1149
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:18,040
died young and she and Agatha
blames her for that.

1150
01:07:18,600 --> 01:07:21,320
Like, and it was something that
was basically out of her hands.

1151
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:24,720
Like she she was just doing her
job, like escorting him to

1152
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:27,120
wherever he needed to go
afterlife.

1153
01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:31,080
Because I mean, it could be be a
couple things, but I think she

1154
01:07:31,080 --> 01:07:32,520
was definitely directly
involved.

1155
01:07:32,520 --> 01:07:36,720
And that's why she was, that's
why Agatha is just like, I can

1156
01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:39,520
never forgive you because she
took her son.

1157
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:43,280
She took something really, she
took the one thing that she

1158
01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:46,400
loved more than life away.
So I think, I think she

1159
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:47,640
definitely has something to do
with that.

1160
01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:51,760
OK.
And that's why that's why she, I

1161
01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:56,440
mean, she could def definitively
say that teen wasn't her son,

1162
01:07:56,720 --> 01:07:59,920
Like 'cause she could see that.
She could see that she was

1163
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:02,440
trying to get attached in that
way.

1164
01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:06,560
So she she, she pulled her aside
and was like, hey, that's not

1165
01:08:06,560 --> 01:08:09,360
him.
Like, and she knew for a fact

1166
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:12,240
that wasn't him, but you could
tell that she was sure.

1167
01:08:12,560 --> 01:08:14,720
So she definitely has something
to do with it.

1168
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:23,800
OK, OK, so other questions now.
Now that we sat here and

1169
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:27,960
discussed the fact that Agatha
was basically in her head for

1170
01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:31,720
all of that stuff.
So technically speaking, she did

1171
01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:34,439
not see a body.
So are we still thinking that

1172
01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:37,040
Wanda is dead?
No one is alive.

1173
01:08:37,399 --> 01:08:40,399
I mean, I mean you and I have
said that Wanda is alive.

1174
01:08:40,399 --> 01:08:45,040
I think Anthony was one who was
like, no, Wanda is dead for for

1175
01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:47,479
all intents and purposes.
Do you still think?

1176
01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:55,439
For all intents and purposes.
Her Mickey ears.

1177
01:08:55,560 --> 01:08:57,640
Wander's ears.
She's still alive, OK.

1178
01:08:58,200 --> 01:09:02,080
Wander's alive, then if you
again in the in what do?

1179
01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:04,720
What do we say?
If you don't see the fucking

1180
01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:07,960
body, they're coming back.
And and.

1181
01:09:08,240 --> 01:09:09,479
That's why that's why I think
definitely.

1182
01:09:09,479 --> 01:09:12,399
Did not see your body, but
that's also you can.

1183
01:09:13,319 --> 01:09:15,240
You can see your body and they
come back.

1184
01:09:15,279 --> 01:09:18,000
Well, this is.
Right.

1185
01:09:18,120 --> 01:09:21,960
So what makes you think that
she's dead then There?

1186
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:29,399
This is a feeling she's dead.
They're trying to move on from

1187
01:09:29,399 --> 01:09:32,200
all these old folks.
She's one of the most popular

1188
01:09:32,200 --> 01:09:34,240
characters in the MCU.
If they could keep her around,

1189
01:09:34,240 --> 01:09:35,439
they're going to keep her
around.

1190
01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:39,880
And they made her death, that
they did her death away on

1191
01:09:39,880 --> 01:09:43,120
purpose because that way, if
they wanted to bring her back,

1192
01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:45,080
they could bring her back.
If not, then they'll be like,

1193
01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:47,439
well, yeah, she died, duh.
Whole mouth fell on her, duh.

1194
01:09:48,160 --> 01:09:50,319
But then if she comes back,
they're like, she's a Scarlet

1195
01:09:50,319 --> 01:09:51,640
Witch, of course she got out of
it, duh.

1196
01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:55,600
So it's like they have they have
plausible deniability on both

1197
01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:57,600
sides.
Yeah, you saw Tony started

1198
01:09:57,600 --> 01:09:59,480
dying.
Apparently he's coming back too,

1199
01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:01,640
so.
Damn right he changed bodies and

1200
01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:03,000
became Doctor motherfucking
dude.

1201
01:10:03,080 --> 01:10:05,080
You damn right he did.
So yeah, he could.

1202
01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:07,320
Everybody comes back.
Nah, I'm gonna stick to it.

1203
01:10:07,320 --> 01:10:09,320
She did.
She's not dead.

1204
01:10:10,120 --> 01:10:12,480
She is not dead.
OK.

1205
01:10:12,480 --> 01:10:18,040
She's not dead, she's alive.
I'm trying.

1206
01:10:18,040 --> 01:10:20,240
I'm trying to tell you in like 3
years there's going to be a

1207
01:10:20,240 --> 01:10:23,200
Scarlet Witch movie before a
Blade movie.

1208
01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:32,680
I I don't even know if at this
point we'll ever get a Blade

1209
01:10:32,680 --> 01:10:35,000
movie.
It's not supposed to be funny,

1210
01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:38,280
but.
But it is, I mean, because what

1211
01:10:38,320 --> 01:10:42,760
else can we do but laugh?
I'm just saying because they've

1212
01:10:42,760 --> 01:10:44,640
already, they've already been
talking about doing the Scarlet

1213
01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:46,320
Witch movie, so she can't be
dead.

1214
01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:50,600
Who taught?
Can you forward me that article

1215
01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:52,160
please?
I'll do it.

1216
01:10:52,160 --> 01:10:54,120
Yeah, yeah.
I was going to say I I think

1217
01:10:54,120 --> 01:10:57,600
they have talked about a
possibility of a Scarlet Witch

1218
01:10:57,600 --> 01:10:59,160
movie.
I'm not saying, I'm not saying

1219
01:10:59,160 --> 01:11:00,680
it's a production.
I'm saying there been there been

1220
01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:02,320
talks about it.
I mean, she might be in

1221
01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:05,240
production.
Yeah, you know they.

1222
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:07,160
Go, just go on, go on with your
conversation.

1223
01:11:07,160 --> 01:11:12,800
I'll forward it to you.
A Soul Scarlet Witch movie is in

1224
01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:15,080
development at Marvel, but it's
not expected to begin filming

1225
01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:16,840
anytime soon.
It's in development.

1226
01:11:18,040 --> 01:11:20,480
So yeah, like you said, we might
get it before Blade.

1227
01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:25,080
Which means she ain't dead.
I think it's in the same pile as

1228
01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:27,000
Blade.
I think you're sitting in the

1229
01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:28,760
same stack.
Of scripts.

1230
01:11:29,400 --> 01:11:34,000
And I would say this, Mike, them
having a movie in development

1231
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:36,800
does not necessarily mean that
the character is not dead.

1232
01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:38,760
I mean, look at what they did
with Black Widow.

1233
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:42,280
But I will say I also don't
believe that Wanda's dead.

1234
01:11:42,280 --> 01:11:44,720
And I've said that since
Multiverse of Madness.

1235
01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:47,800
Like, no, she got out of that
cave before it collapsed.

1236
01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:50,240
We saw that little blink of red
light.

1237
01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:52,200
She is gone.
She's somewhere out in the

1238
01:11:52,200 --> 01:11:54,000
multiverse, somewhere in the
universe.

1239
01:11:54,400 --> 01:11:57,880
I don't know, maybe maybe she's
sitting, maybe she's sitting

1240
01:11:57,880 --> 01:12:00,520
with the watch or somewhere
like, OK, so where can I go

1241
01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:02,040
next?
I mean, I I don't.

1242
01:12:02,040 --> 01:12:03,680
Think, I mean, look, look at
look at this way.

1243
01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:06,640
Marble doesn't do anything
accidentally.

1244
01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:09,960
That shit was done on purpose.
There's no way.

1245
01:12:10,600 --> 01:12:13,200
Bubble getting crushed.
Whatever.

1246
01:12:13,280 --> 01:12:15,400
And no, that that was her
getting the fuck about it up

1247
01:12:15,400 --> 01:12:18,200
under that mountain.
Look, marble, that marble does

1248
01:12:18,200 --> 01:12:22,120
shit where you, I mean, they
don't they nothing is an

1249
01:12:22,120 --> 01:12:23,920
accident.
It's like if they do something

1250
01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:27,360
that seems kind of out of the
view, it's done on purpose

1251
01:12:27,360 --> 01:12:30,760
because they know that we're
nerds and we freeze frame shit

1252
01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:33,280
and we look at shit and we look
at shit and we look at shit and

1253
01:12:33,280 --> 01:12:35,800
we like, Oh, you see that?
And we catch shit.

1254
01:12:36,040 --> 01:12:37,680
So they know that we're going to
catch it.

1255
01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:40,200
So then once they once they
figure out how many people

1256
01:12:40,200 --> 01:12:42,400
actually caught it and start
talking it up, then they're

1257
01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:44,800
like, OK, this has feet.
Let's go ahead and start

1258
01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:46,720
writing.
Then next thing you know, we

1259
01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:47,280
have a.
Movement.

1260
01:12:47,960 --> 01:12:50,920
Damn.
The fact that subconsciously

1261
01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:55,760
she's still connected to Wanda,
that's why when she saw, that's

1262
01:12:55,760 --> 01:12:58,560
why she saw her body.
That's why that was a part of

1263
01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:02,560
her construct of seeing the dead
body of Wanda.

1264
01:13:03,080 --> 01:13:06,960
That's why, you know, all her
memory of the dark hole has been

1265
01:13:06,960 --> 01:13:11,000
burned away because Wanda
destroyed all copies of the dark

1266
01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:15,040
hole.
So any part of the dark hole

1267
01:13:15,040 --> 01:13:16,720
that was still in her is gone
now.

1268
01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:22,600
And it's like Wanda being dead,
that part that was keeping the

1269
01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:25,920
spell active and strong in her
is gone now.

1270
01:13:26,360 --> 01:13:27,600
So.
You're not listening to me.

1271
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:33,280
You're not listening.
Agree to disagree.

1272
01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:37,400
He thinks she's dead, we think
she's alive, and we're going to

1273
01:13:37,400 --> 01:13:42,480
leave it at that and just wait
to see what happens in the MCU.

1274
01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:49,040
Yeah, I'm just saying.
So I will say the the sad part,

1275
01:13:50,480 --> 01:13:55,000
the sad part of these episodes,
especially going back to Billy's

1276
01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:59,800
episode, was, you know, that
little glimpse that we did get

1277
01:13:59,880 --> 01:14:02,640
of William Kaplan.
I've liked it.

1278
01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:06,160
I was like, it's sweet.
Even in that little bit, I was

1279
01:14:06,160 --> 01:14:08,320
like, oh, he seems like a cool
character.

1280
01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:13,400
And then we find out that he
actually like you get to see him

1281
01:14:14,480 --> 01:14:16,840
guy.
We experienced that whole death

1282
01:14:16,840 --> 01:14:18,640
and I just thought that was so
sad.

1283
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:23,040
I was like, his mom should be
feeling a lot of guilt right now

1284
01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:25,160
because.
They're not not watching the

1285
01:14:25,320 --> 01:14:26,960
damn Rd.
Yes.

1286
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:30,320
I was mad.
I was like.

1287
01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:31,680
I was too.
I was.

1288
01:14:32,360 --> 01:14:35,960
I was, yes, I was pissed.
I was like, why are you not

1289
01:14:35,960 --> 01:14:37,560
looking at the road?
Why are you not?

1290
01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:44,080
You're driving, you know.
And like literally slammed at

1291
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:46,720
his door into a tree.
I was like, oh, he's not.

1292
01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:50,080
He's not coming back from that.
She almost turned the car into

1293
01:14:50,080 --> 01:14:52,720
the letter U That shit's hard to
do.

1294
01:14:53,120 --> 01:14:55,200
They were they were going fast
as fuck.

1295
01:14:55,200 --> 01:14:59,160
I mean, how hard that's that's
really fucking hard to do is to

1296
01:14:59,200 --> 01:15:02,040
turn a car going sideways and
turn it like that.

1297
01:15:02,480 --> 01:15:05,920
Like she, she literally almost
wrapped that motherfucker around

1298
01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:09,000
a tree like.
Please, please do not give

1299
01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:10,720
ground.
They don't.

1300
01:15:10,720 --> 01:15:12,040
Yeah, they did.
They they stay in.

1301
01:15:12,040 --> 01:15:14,440
They stay in firm.
And they don't give a fuck if a

1302
01:15:14,440 --> 01:15:16,440
13 year old is sitting in the
backseat.

1303
01:15:16,920 --> 01:15:18,800
They really.
Do I feel bad for I feel bad for

1304
01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:21,520
his parents though, because it's
like, how are they going?

1305
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:23,360
How are they going to find out
that something's wrong?

1306
01:15:23,360 --> 01:15:25,600
Like like that he that, that
William.

1307
01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:28,640
I mean, when they, there's a
chance that they'll eventually

1308
01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:30,720
find out that William Kaplan is
dead.

1309
01:15:31,480 --> 01:15:35,440
But it's like during this time
they think that William, that

1310
01:15:35,440 --> 01:15:38,760
their son is still their son,
but he's not.

1311
01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:41,160
So it's like.
You're not going to be, you're

1312
01:15:41,160 --> 01:15:44,200
not going to be able to convince
them that that is not their son.

1313
01:15:46,280 --> 01:15:50,040
They'll they'll just think that
whatever happened to him in the

1314
01:15:50,040 --> 01:15:52,000
accident changed him, changed
him.

1315
01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:54,920
They would always believe that
that's their son.

1316
01:15:54,920 --> 01:15:57,280
Because as far as they didn't
know, he didn't die.

1317
01:15:58,560 --> 01:16:01,880
They saw him decapitated and
then they saw him come back.

1318
01:16:02,160 --> 01:16:03,480
That's one thing.
They're OK.

1319
01:16:03,720 --> 01:16:07,200
That's probably not him.
But no, they walked away.

1320
01:16:07,200 --> 01:16:10,840
He died when they came back.
He was alive like for them.

1321
01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:12,600
He was alive when they left to
get help.

1322
01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:14,360
He was alive when they came
back.

1323
01:16:15,480 --> 01:16:19,280
Yeah, but what if, what if Billy
actually, actually touches their

1324
01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:21,600
head, closes his eyes and shows
them what happened?

1325
01:16:22,320 --> 01:16:27,600
That's that's still OK.
You're right.

1326
01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:32,360
Wait, you were speechless for a
second?

1327
01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:33,600
Oh damn.
He.

1328
01:16:33,840 --> 01:16:36,400
Was trying not to argue.
He was trying not to argue.

1329
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:38,960
Damn I'm.
I'm feeling myself on that one.

1330
01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:41,000
Damn, he was trying to.
I got to do a victory lap.

1331
01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:42,920
I'll be right back.
OK, I'm back.

1332
01:16:44,840 --> 01:16:47,960
He was trying not to argue.
But no, I'm, but no, I'm just

1333
01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:50,320
saying.
I'm just saying that, you know.

1334
01:16:50,920 --> 01:16:53,800
Oh, so he can reach into their
minds and change their mind, but

1335
01:16:53,800 --> 01:16:56,400
he can't.
He can't read Agatha's mind.

1336
01:16:58,160 --> 01:17:02,680
They're human is a witch.
She's been around for hundreds

1337
01:17:02,720 --> 01:17:06,280
of years and again, she's a
witch.

1338
01:17:06,440 --> 01:17:11,680
They're humans who has more mind
control.

1339
01:17:15,440 --> 01:17:17,760
I don't know.
There's a whole group of people

1340
01:17:18,240 --> 01:17:20,680
voting for someone they
shouldn't be voting for, so I

1341
01:17:20,720 --> 01:17:22,000
don't know.
Oh my God.

1342
01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:26,040
OK, so do we have anything else
to say about these two episodes?

1343
01:17:26,040 --> 01:17:29,240
Because we are not about to get
into that conversation.

1344
01:17:30,480 --> 01:17:34,040
Oh my goodness, that definitely
needs to be a whit.

1345
01:17:34,040 --> 01:17:36,720
Now let me stop.
We have anything else we want to

1346
01:17:36,720 --> 01:17:43,960
say about these episodes?
Oh yeah, this shut up.

1347
01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:48,480
Billy hold on, Billy has the
William had the Wizard of Oz

1348
01:17:48,480 --> 01:17:52,480
posters in his room and.
And the figurines that.

1349
01:17:52,520 --> 01:17:54,480
Was a yellow.
Rocky Horror, Yeah, that's.

1350
01:17:55,160 --> 01:17:55,960
Why?
I said the poster.

1351
01:17:55,960 --> 01:17:58,840
Yeah.
What goes with the witches,

1352
01:17:58,840 --> 01:18:01,360
Rhodes?
Yeah, he had the the action

1353
01:18:01,360 --> 01:18:05,680
figures too.
Yeah, and he also had an album.

1354
01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:09,600
He was listening to the vinyl of
the song, which became prominent

1355
01:18:09,720 --> 01:18:12,800
later as well.
Yeah, it's it's things that make

1356
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:16,360
you believe that he created.
All of this, yeah.

1357
01:18:17,280 --> 01:18:18,440
It is.
It's evidence, yeah.

1358
01:18:18,440 --> 01:18:21,040
It's.
Just like little little Easter

1359
01:18:21,040 --> 01:18:22,840
eggs is like.
It is.

1360
01:18:23,240 --> 01:18:25,560
I mean, I'm thinking about.
It, I mean, it is though, to be

1361
01:18:25,560 --> 01:18:31,160
honest with you, so.
Yeah, I mean and.

1362
01:18:31,360 --> 01:18:34,600
I just feel I, I just feel bad
for Tommy.

1363
01:18:35,960 --> 01:18:37,160
Wherever he is, Wherever.
He.

1364
01:18:37,680 --> 01:18:39,520
Is but.
I think he said he can feel

1365
01:18:39,520 --> 01:18:42,440
them.
He said he can feel them so.

1366
01:18:42,480 --> 01:18:45,080
He's still out there.
Well damn, Sir.

1367
01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:46,720
Well.
Hopefully.

1368
01:18:46,760 --> 01:18:47,560
Did I get the body?
Damn.

1369
01:18:48,080 --> 01:18:51,360
Wait, what was what was the name
of the deep squid?

1370
01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:56,760
Was it Tommy?
No, it was.

1371
01:18:58,000 --> 01:18:59,720
Teddy.
Timothy.

1372
01:18:59,720 --> 01:19:02,040
Timothy.
Timothy.

1373
01:19:02,040 --> 01:19:06,200
Oh my gosh.
No, that is that is disgusting.

1374
01:19:06,200 --> 01:19:09,640
Sir, so I'm going to go.
I feel bad for Tommy because he

1375
01:19:09,640 --> 01:19:12,760
out there trying to find him a
place in the world.

1376
01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:18,080
Leaves in the wind.
Slight of candy.

1377
01:19:19,440 --> 01:19:23,480
Shout, shout, Agatha like not
like just losing her fucking

1378
01:19:23,480 --> 01:19:25,920
mind and throwing, throwing
terror crowds on the table,

1379
01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:28,120
knowing that knives, knowing
that swords are falling out of

1380
01:19:28,120 --> 01:19:31,480
the sky.
I'm like, ma'am, if you lost

1381
01:19:31,480 --> 01:19:35,520
your fucking mind, it's like I'm
like, as soon as she started

1382
01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:38,680
doing it, I was like, like,
what?

1383
01:19:38,680 --> 01:19:40,520
What part?
And this she's like, we'll just

1384
01:19:40,520 --> 01:19:43,280
put him down in in any
combination until we run out of

1385
01:19:43,280 --> 01:19:45,120
swords.
I'm like, you're on the witch's

1386
01:19:45,120 --> 01:19:46,360
road.
You don't think those swords are

1387
01:19:46,360 --> 01:19:48,680
going to magically re magically
reload?

1388
01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:51,240
I mean, it's like, it's not like
there's a finite amount of

1389
01:19:51,240 --> 01:19:53,040
swords.
You're in a mystical place.

1390
01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:56,600
They're going.
To was like, ma'am, where did

1391
01:19:56,600 --> 01:19:58,720
you learn math?
Because that.

1392
01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:02,840
That's a lot of combinations,
ma'am.

1393
01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:05,520
That is a lot of combinations.
I don't think you you thought

1394
01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:12,120
that out thoroughly, but shout
shout out to Shashir because I

1395
01:20:12,120 --> 01:20:15,360
kept calling her Samir in our in
our chat and Anthony corrected

1396
01:20:15,360 --> 01:20:18,560
me and I was just like, oh.
God, he didn't correct me.

1397
01:20:18,840 --> 01:20:20,000
He didn't correct you?
He didn't.

1398
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:21,720
I don't think he knew her name.
So.

1399
01:20:24,080 --> 01:20:26,240
I thought you were like
subconsciously guiding me, she

1400
01:20:26,360 --> 01:20:28,080
guiding me, guiding me to the
right name.

1401
01:20:28,080 --> 01:20:31,120
I was like, all I saw was you
saying I dumb ass.

1402
01:20:31,120 --> 01:20:34,440
That's not her name.
I was like, who is that?

1403
01:20:34,440 --> 01:20:37,120
Mike?
Who is that?

1404
01:20:37,480 --> 01:20:39,760
The black one?
Who?

1405
01:20:39,760 --> 01:20:42,680
What are you talking about?
Exactly you were you're just

1406
01:20:42,680 --> 01:20:44,680
like like suddenly like I dumb
ass.

1407
01:20:44,680 --> 01:20:46,960
I'm trying to show you like
here.

1408
01:20:47,280 --> 01:20:50,600
But yeah, I'm I really hope we
can get a little more of her

1409
01:20:50,600 --> 01:20:52,600
story because I like her
character.

1410
01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:58,040
I, I think that she is, she's
like, she, I mean, the fact that

1411
01:20:58,080 --> 01:21:02,640
the hard part where, where
Lilia, Lilia came, came out of a

1412
01:21:02,640 --> 01:21:05,280
spell and grabbed Tina, pushed
him up against the wall.

1413
01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:06,600
She's like, I thought everything
was good.

1414
01:21:06,680 --> 01:21:09,720
Like we're not good teenagers.
She was like, oh, did his whole

1415
01:21:09,720 --> 01:21:16,520
name.
I was like I love it 'cause if

1416
01:21:16,520 --> 01:21:20,680
I'm not mistaken I think she was
on SNL for a SEC for a hot 2nd.

1417
01:21:21,320 --> 01:21:25,480
Oh yeah, yeah, because I know.
I think she's still.

1418
01:21:26,880 --> 01:21:28,600
No, that's no, no, that that's
Eggy.

1419
01:21:28,640 --> 01:21:32,560
Eggy's on there now.
Her name's Eggy Boom too.

1420
01:21:32,600 --> 01:21:35,040
But yeah, it's a, it's a
different, different one black

1421
01:21:35,040 --> 01:21:36,160
girl that they have on this
note.

1422
01:21:36,160 --> 01:21:37,640
But that's all.
Another episode.

1423
01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:39,760
We got time to talk.
But it's not the same one that

1424
01:21:40,040 --> 01:21:44,840
that was singing espresso, no.
No, no, that's that's eggy boom.

1425
01:21:44,840 --> 01:21:45,840
OK, So what?
OK.

1426
01:21:47,720 --> 01:21:50,440
But yeah, that's that's that's,
you know, the one black girl.

1427
01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:51,800
See, I'm not gonna start on
that.

1428
01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:55,400
But yeah, I think, I think I
like, I like what she adds, like

1429
01:21:55,400 --> 01:21:58,520
the little just because I like
little her little sarcastic

1430
01:21:58,520 --> 01:22:02,560
like, like jabs every now and
then because it's like between

1431
01:22:02,560 --> 01:22:07,800
her and Agatha and like all of
them heard Agatha and Lilia have

1432
01:22:08,080 --> 01:22:14,200
so many jabs.
And again, Patty friggin Lupone

1433
01:22:15,520 --> 01:22:19,960
ma'am just ate it, ate this, ate
that whole episode.

1434
01:22:20,720 --> 01:22:25,400
Like, I mean, damn.
And the fact and fun fact, her

1435
01:22:25,400 --> 01:22:30,240
and and Aubrey Plaza actually
were roommates during the whole

1436
01:22:30,240 --> 01:22:31,880
filming.
OK.

1437
01:22:32,760 --> 01:22:35,720
And there, there, there is there
a couple of interviews they did

1438
01:22:35,720 --> 01:22:39,040
where they've had a whole lot of
adventures.

1439
01:22:39,040 --> 01:22:45,120
Like where Pale Lupone, almost
Pale Lupone's one of one of her

1440
01:22:45,120 --> 01:22:48,200
people almost killed almost
almost quote UN quote killed her

1441
01:22:48,480 --> 01:22:50,760
by giving her an infusion of
Benadryl.

1442
01:22:52,640 --> 01:22:54,520
Oh.
OK, look it up, look up, look

1443
01:22:54,520 --> 01:22:56,280
up, look up.
Pale Lupone in Aubrey Plaza.

1444
01:22:56,880 --> 01:22:59,040
But yeah.
This interview, Aubrey, Aubrey

1445
01:22:59,040 --> 01:23:03,120
Plaza was like, yeah, I, I moved
in with her and she would tell

1446
01:23:03,120 --> 01:23:05,560
me, this is what you're going to
wear to this issue.

1447
01:23:05,560 --> 01:23:09,800
Yeah.
It was it was such a great

1448
01:23:09,800 --> 01:23:11,200
relationship.
Between the Turkey, make sure

1449
01:23:11,200 --> 01:23:14,040
you eat Turkey sandwiches.
Yeah.

1450
01:23:14,200 --> 01:23:16,480
That's hilarious.
That's hilarious.

1451
01:23:16,800 --> 01:23:21,720
I did love the the costumes that
they were in.

1452
01:23:22,200 --> 01:23:24,120
As far as you know, the Wizard
of.

1453
01:23:24,200 --> 01:23:26,840
The team being Maleficent.
Yes, Team.

1454
01:23:26,840 --> 01:23:31,960
OK, being Maleficent.
He was like, well, you know, if

1455
01:23:31,960 --> 01:23:36,320
the cheekbones are cheekbones, I
was like, yes, they are very

1456
01:23:36,320 --> 01:23:38,480
much so.
They looked fabulous.

1457
01:23:38,600 --> 01:23:43,160
But I'm so mad that they put Jen
in the evil wit.

1458
01:23:43,160 --> 01:23:46,080
In the evil.
Prone from Snow White costume

1459
01:23:46,080 --> 01:23:49,840
because that was not cute and
what what did she say?

1460
01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:53,120
She said we'll we'll we'll have
our what did she say?

1461
01:23:53,120 --> 01:23:56,120
We'll be indignant about the
cultural something, she said.

1462
01:23:56,120 --> 01:23:57,000
Something.
She's like.

1463
01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:00,000
Easy.
What?

1464
01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:03,200
We'll do our our cultural, Yeah,
cultural complaints later or

1465
01:24:03,200 --> 01:24:05,760
something.
Like that cultural appropriation

1466
01:24:05,840 --> 01:24:09,040
or something, She said.
It was, It was funny, but I was

1467
01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:12,680
like, they were dead ass wrong
for putting her in that, for

1468
01:24:12,680 --> 01:24:18,560
putting her in that particular
costume because she's like they

1469
01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:20,920
chose.
The they chose the the one

1470
01:24:20,920 --> 01:24:24,000
Disney which say we know is a
potions Master and that's where

1471
01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:27,760
Jen is a potions master.
I know, but still it's like,

1472
01:24:28,120 --> 01:24:31,480
yeah, everybody else is looking
fabulous and she literally looks

1473
01:24:31,480 --> 01:24:34,360
like a old Chrome.
I did not appreciate that but

1474
01:24:35,480 --> 01:24:38,640
but I otherwise I love the
costumes.

1475
01:24:39,720 --> 01:24:48,400
OK, the one the one which from
the Salem 7, the last one who

1476
01:24:48,400 --> 01:24:51,680
came up and she turned around
and she kind of did that net

1477
01:24:51,680 --> 01:24:56,760
quick.
I was people like that and they,

1478
01:24:57,400 --> 01:24:59,760
it's like that very precise neck
move.

1479
01:25:00,040 --> 01:25:02,800
It makes me feel like somebody's
walking on my spine.

1480
01:25:03,400 --> 01:25:06,240
It's creepy.
I did not like it, but at the

1481
01:25:06,240 --> 01:25:09,400
same time I appreciated it
because it kind of added a

1482
01:25:09,400 --> 01:25:14,160
little something to that scene
because you knew that Lilia was

1483
01:25:14,160 --> 01:25:20,720
about to die and you knew that,
you know, these these spectres,

1484
01:25:20,720 --> 01:25:24,880
whatever they're supposed to be,
you knew quote UN quote, I'm

1485
01:25:24,880 --> 01:25:27,120
saying this in quotes.
You knew that they were about to

1486
01:25:27,120 --> 01:25:30,800
kill her.
And then all of a sudden she she

1487
01:25:30,800 --> 01:25:33,520
flipped the switch.
She flipped the car literally.

1488
01:25:34,240 --> 01:25:37,920
And she created her own destiny,
but she also got rid of the

1489
01:25:37,920 --> 01:25:41,440
Salem 7.
I loved it, but I was like, now

1490
01:25:41,440 --> 01:25:43,640
she has to fall.
Now she has to die.

1491
01:25:44,280 --> 01:25:46,680
And I was not, I was not happy
about that.

1492
01:25:47,480 --> 01:25:50,880
South Disney Southern.
It wasn't all of them it.

1493
01:25:51,120 --> 01:25:52,640
Wasn't all of.
Them Yeah, well, they, they just

1494
01:25:52,640 --> 01:25:55,080
couldn't fit them all in that
scene, but they, they made it

1495
01:25:55,080 --> 01:25:56,920
first set them all.
It was all of them, OK.

1496
01:25:58,480 --> 01:25:59,320
It's.
Just.

1497
01:25:59,480 --> 01:26:01,960
Them in the scene, so they just
didn't, OK.

1498
01:26:02,600 --> 01:26:05,480
Shouts been doing another
brilliant needle drop.

1499
01:26:06,600 --> 01:26:08,440
Another brilliant needle drop
with time in the bottle.

1500
01:26:09,280 --> 01:26:14,320
So that song, if it's placed
very well, it's going to make me

1501
01:26:14,320 --> 01:26:16,560
cry.
It made me cry when it showed up

1502
01:26:16,560 --> 01:26:19,080
in the final scene of a
discovery, which is, even though

1503
01:26:19,080 --> 01:26:22,320
it was a different version, but
this version, the Jim Croce

1504
01:26:22,600 --> 01:26:28,320
version that is so ingrained in
my head for my childhood.

1505
01:26:28,320 --> 01:26:32,080
Because if you were a child of
the 80s and you saw the Time

1506
01:26:32,080 --> 01:26:37,440
Life Classic album commercials
that came on Channel 17, that

1507
01:26:37,440 --> 01:26:42,080
song was always one of the songs
that they played on those

1508
01:26:42,080 --> 01:26:44,880
commercials.
It's like stuck in my head.

1509
01:26:45,800 --> 01:26:47,680
I always, always think of that.
There was an episode of The

1510
01:26:47,680 --> 01:26:50,960
Muppet Show where there was like
a guy, a scientist who was

1511
01:26:50,960 --> 01:26:54,480
making a potion and every time
it poofed, he got older.

1512
01:26:54,840 --> 01:26:57,440
And then he got older, then he
got younger again.

1513
01:26:58,240 --> 01:27:00,600
But it's like, this is an
episode of The Muppet Show that

1514
01:27:00,600 --> 01:27:01,920
I think of every time I see
that.

1515
01:27:01,960 --> 01:27:04,160
You hear that song.
But yeah, that's one of my

1516
01:27:04,160 --> 01:27:06,480
favorite songs.
And that then whoever's doing

1517
01:27:06,480 --> 01:27:10,960
their music is fucking
incredibly killing the fuck out

1518
01:27:10,960 --> 01:27:14,000
of it.
Yeah, I will say that they they

1519
01:27:14,000 --> 01:27:16,600
have not dropped the ball on the
music.

1520
01:27:16,800 --> 01:27:20,040
Now let's hope that these next
two episodes, the finale

1521
01:27:20,040 --> 01:27:24,080
episodes, episodes 8:00 and
9:00, let's hope they don't drop

1522
01:27:24,080 --> 01:27:27,840
the ball on these either because
I, like I said, I really, really

1523
01:27:27,840 --> 01:27:31,880
enjoyed six and seven much more
than I did the first five.

1524
01:27:31,880 --> 01:27:35,400
But now I need to go back and
rewatch the first five episodes

1525
01:27:35,400 --> 01:27:40,480
because of what we were saying
about Agatha and everything

1526
01:27:40,480 --> 01:27:43,920
being from her point of view.
Because again, I was thinking

1527
01:27:43,920 --> 01:27:48,160
about everything being from her
point of view from the Time Team

1528
01:27:48,600 --> 01:27:50,360
showed up.
I didn't even think about the

1529
01:27:50,360 --> 01:27:52,240
earlier stuff.
So now I got to go back and

1530
01:27:52,240 --> 01:27:59,560
rewatch it.
But OK, so now change your mind.

1531
01:28:03,160 --> 01:28:08,360
We just might, we'll see.
But if nobody has anything else

1532
01:28:08,360 --> 01:28:12,640
to say about the episodes, that
is it for our show.

1533
01:28:13,000 --> 01:28:16,880
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1534
01:28:16,880 --> 01:28:20,360
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1535
01:28:20,360 --> 01:28:22,640
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1536
01:28:22,640 --> 01:28:25,600
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1537
01:28:25,600 --> 01:28:28,720
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1538
01:28:28,720 --> 01:28:31,000
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1539
01:28:31,000 --> 01:28:32,800
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1540
01:29:03,930 --> 01:29:04,170
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