Agatha All Along, Part 3 (Episodes 8-9) - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #318

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What's up, hybrids?
Welcome back to another episode

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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast.
This is Hanukkah and I am here

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with Anthony, Michelle and Mike,
and we are discussing Agatha all

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along, episodes 8:00 and 9:00.
And I'm going to start this off

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by saying I finally did go back
and at least re watch the first.

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I think I got through the 1st 4
1/2 episode and I've changed my

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opinion just a little bit.
But it's because I realized what

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was bothering me more than
anything, and it wasn't really

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the story because I realized I
wasn't paying as much attention

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as I should have been because
there was some clues that were

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right there in my face that went
completely over my head.

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But I figured it out.
It's Katherine Hahn's acting.

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It's like certain things that
she does, and I think we touched

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upon this in the last episode,
but also certain facial

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expressions she's making.
And also it feels like, I think

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I had this conversation with
Anthony.

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It almost feels like she's
breaking the 4th wall without

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breaking the 4th wall.
Like every time she does

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something or says something
that's not completely whatever,

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it's almost like she's supposed
to turn to the TV and go so that

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we know what she's, you know,
what she's intimating.

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And I don't know, something
about it took me out of, it took

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me out of the show.
It took me out of her being this

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character to her being this
actress playing this character.

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And I just, I just couldn't get
over it.

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And it really, I was, I, I have
a whole page of notes from just

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the first few episodes where I
was like, how did I miss all of

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this?
I didn't pay attention to none

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of it.
And it was because I was so

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irritated.
And I was just like, OK, so I

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guess she's just going to have
to be in one of those categories

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of actresses or actors that I
just really don't care for the

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way that she brings her
characters to screen.

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And now that I've had have that
in my mind, I'm like, OK, I can

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enjoy the show a little bit
more.

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So I do enjoy it a little bit
more on the second go around.

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There's still some problems that
I have with it, but overall, I

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don't dislike it as much as I
did when we discussed the 1st 5

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episodes.
So cool, glad.

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To hear it, thank you.
Come on over to the train.

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I'm not coming over to the
train.

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I don't, I don't want you over
to the train, you grump, you

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grouch.
I was.

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I was grouch.
I was going to say maybe I was a

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little harsh.
Nah, I, I don't think I was a

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little harsh.
My, my opinion still stands

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about those first 4 episodes.
I, I, I will give him credit.

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The last the the last part, the
last half to 3rd of the show was

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really good.
Yeah, those last few episodes

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were really good.
I I still think those first 4

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episodes could have been better
than what they were.

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This is my.
Yeah.

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And I'm, I'm really impressed
because when we discussed the

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last two episodes, Anthony
actually had a theory.

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And I don't think he posited it
as a theory, but it was just

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something that he was talking
about the show and how the show

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was being viewed.
And he was like, I think this

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could be something that's a part
of teams, you know, something

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that he's done just like Wanda
did, where he created the road,

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where, you know, what Agatha was
saying earlier on that the road

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didn't exist.
It really didn't exist in that

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kind of influenced the way that
she was acting because she was

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trying to figure things out on
the fly.

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And Anthony had not seen Anthony
and I had not seen that last

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episode before them.
Mike had.

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But Anthony, I'm going to tell
you, I'm so impressed because

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once it was coming together, I
was like, wait.

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And then when I went back and
watched the first episode, I was

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like, let me tell you my notes.
So even the intro card for the

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show, I didn't even pay
attention to the fact that it

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said Agnes of Westview.
I didn't pay attention to her

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last name being different.
I didn't pay attention to it

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being the neighbors actual
names.

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I didn't pay attention to any of
that stuff.

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And then as we go along through
some of the other stuff, like I

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said, once teen got in there and
I noticed something was

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different, I was like, oh, wait,
she just dropped this hint.

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So Agatha knew this from very
early on that teen conjured

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this.
I was like, oh, that that kind

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of did change the whole way I
looked at it.

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And I was sitting there.
I was like, Anthony literally

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said that that, that, that wait.
He also said that that that that

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I was like he know the.
The the only thing I know, the

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only.
Yeah.

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Thank you.
Good job.

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The only thing I got wrong was I
thought he was pulling stuff

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from their heads and that and
that real was not real but real

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was real.
That that was.

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Real.
Yeah, real was real.

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That was really real.
But but, she tells him in the

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very, very beginning, the real
is not real.

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She says it with a straight
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She's not playing.
She's not hiding.

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She's like the rule is not real
and in the beginning you can

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tell she just she had no clue
what the hell was going on.

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No, she had no idea.
Especially.

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When the door appeared, she was
like, wait, what?

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Yeah, right.
And that was one of the few

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times that I felt like she was
Agatha.

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Yeah.
And I wasn't looking at her as

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Catherine playing Agatha.
I was like, OK, that's that's

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genuine.
So there are certain, certain

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parts where I believe that she
was who it was.

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But I still feel like a lot of
the times when she was trying to

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be mean or snarky that she was,
she was kind of overdoing it.

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And that was getting on my
nerves.

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But I I think I've talked that
point to them.

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The the other part, the other
part was where she was like

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being mean to them when they
were trying to open the door.

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She was trying to get them to
attack her.

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And now at the time I was like,
I was just trying to get them to

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use their power so she can
steal.

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Like it was it was that was
something that and then the door

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just threw her off.
She was like, wait, what?

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What the fuck?
Because they didn't attack her.

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So but she.
Told Lily her secret.

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Yeah.
And then it's like, I mean, it's

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like you can see her
frustration.

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She's like, these motherfuckers
are coming to kill me.

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Can y'all please fucking let me
steal your powers so I can

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defend myself?
Like fuck, like hurry the fuck

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up and hit me.
And then then it's like, I mean,

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just like the look.
I love episode 9 when they were

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when they were like going
through her being like the most

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prolific Marvel serial killer of
all time and like.

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Killing.
And it's like she and her like

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getting mad and looking down,
then picking up the sand.

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And it's like, and then she
actually did kind of break the

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4th wall.
She looked and gave you that

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smirk.
You're like, oh, so she's like,

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oh, she's she was, she was
playing that shit up like for

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for the first, first couple of
trials.

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Then it's like after her trial
and she killed Alice, she and

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she told teen that he was just
like his mother.

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She was like, OK, I know what
you did.

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Go ahead and get this over with
so I can get back so we can get

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back to the real world because
I'm sick of being here.

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And it's like you could tell in
the tarot one when he he didn't

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know what the chariot was.
He was like, it's the chariot.

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It's written on the fucking
card.

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Can we hear?
Can we hear but do this?

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Then she started playing.
She started playing slap Jack

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and throwing Carol cards down
and having having it rain

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swords.
She was just like, she was just

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like, I'm ready to fucking go,
let's go, let's go, let's go.

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And it's like she was just so
frustrated at that point.

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Then it really came out when she
was back at the beginning, she

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was like, how the fuck do I get
out of here?

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It's like he tried to explain.
She was like, you don't know,

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shut the fuck up.
Get the fuck out of here.

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Go back around.
And I was like, oh, like, yeah,

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after, after everything.
You're like, oh, yeah.

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She's like, I fucking had it.
Where's my goddamn house?

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I need to get out of here now.
Yeah, see, I, I, I feel you on

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that a little bit.
But like, I was getting the

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impression because when you
start thinking about it, she

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didn't take every trial
seriously.

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It was she, the way she was
acting was as if nothing's going

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to happen to me because she's
not real and she needs me.

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So she was really just playing
along and really, she really

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acts like she didn't really give
a fuck away when she started

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throwing the tarot cards down
and the swords coming in, She's

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like, I'm not going to die
because he's not going to kill

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me.
So just kept throwing them down.

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Let's just be done with it.
So but but the real big tip off

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was when he wished he was like,
I wish Liza was here to help.

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And then boom, she burst the
door.

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It's like, yeah.
Yeah.

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But she even, I think she
figured it out because I I wrote

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it down.
Episode 3, when they first get

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into the road and he's looking
around, he says, wow, this is

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exactly how I pictured it.
And she was like, it suits you.

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And I was like, wait, does she
already suspect at that point?

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And then after the first trial,
when Missus Hart died, she

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looked, she said, why?
I didn't think you had it in

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you.
And he was like, who had what in

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in them?
And she winked at him.

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She didn't think that he would
actually kill somebody.

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But of course, again, he didn't
know that this was something he

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was doing.
And even the stuff that started

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coming up, like he's creating it
on the fly because that's what

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he does.
And I think because she had seen

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that before.
She was like.

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Mm, hmm.
Mm hmm.

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OK.
But even at in the very first

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episode, when he tries to tell
her who he is and the sigil

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comes up, if you really pay
attention, you can hear him.

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It's like, I'm.
I'm Billy Maximoff.

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Yeah, But the sigil comes across
and I think she was like, come

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again.
And when he said his name again,

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she's like, OK.
Well, he said William Kaplan at

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first.
Then he said, I'm Billy

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Maximoff, like second.
Yeah.

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But it I was sitting there
looking, I was like, I didn't

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pick up on any of this stuff
before because again, I was so

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out of it.
And it was only like, again,

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teen Lilia and Jen, those were
my three favorite characters.

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And I mean, when I say Jen went
off in episode 8, she was so

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good.
So she was so good.

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And I was just like, yes, I'm,
I'm.

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I feel her anger.
I feel what she's feeling.

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And then for the first part of
that whole dialogue she had with

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Agatha, Agatha was still being
kind of playful.

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Like, say it like, you mean it,
Jen.

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And I was like, oh, you getting
on my nerves.

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But the more Jen kept saying it
and her face started changing

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and you could feel her really
feeling it.

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I was like, OK, I'm, I'm back in
it now.

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Like I said, she does these
weird, she makes these weird

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choices with her acting where
it's like half the time you're

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like, what the fuck are you
doing?

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And the other half, it's like,
oh, I believe that you're in the

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character.
Yeah, it's like, shout out to

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Jennifer for actually being a
black character and surviving

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the whole thing and being able
to get her.

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Power off, family.
And taking her, taking her

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agency back from the white woman
that bound her.

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But especially with, with, with
how things are going right now

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in the real world, I was just
like, like that seem brought me

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to tears.
I like, I actually actually

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cried a little bit watching her.
It's like getting, getting in,

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getting yourself back and, and,
and actually feeling yourself

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like I, I felt that I was like,
that's pretty fucking awesome.

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I mean, I will give it to
Agatha, though.

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Once she realized what the
situation was, she did seem like

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she genuinely felt bad.
She was like, I didn't know it

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was you.
I, I used to cast spells for

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banknotes back in the 1920s.
I didn't, you know, when, when

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she mentioned Boston, she was
like, oh, that's what happened.

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So when she says I deny your
power over me and she says you

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hold nothing, you hold nothing,
you hold nothing.

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She's still kind of sitting
there defying it.

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And the more that Jen looked at
her and just kept saying it, you

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see her whole face change.
And I was just like, OK, she

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feels, she feels what she has
done in this moment.

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And she, I feel like in that
moment, she really understood

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because wasn't that the same
thing Wanda did to you for three

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years?
This woman has been bound for

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100 years.
Fucking.

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Years.
So what you went through is

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nothing compared to what this
woman went through.

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And I think Agatha really felt
it in that moment.

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I was like, oh, OK, I can get
with this.

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The way she helped Billy at the
end do what he was supposed to

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do.
So let me ask a question about

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this.
Does this mean that when he said

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he could feel Billy, he knew
Billy was around but he couldn't

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find him?
And then everything that Agatha

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did at the end, does that mean
that he was holding on to Billy

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in his mind that whole time?
I think he he was, he was inside

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of his.
He held him up.

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I don't know is he either had
him.

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In his.
In his conscious he had his

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consciousness.
Yeah, that's that's what I'm

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saying.
They.

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Were in their consciousness
where I.

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Think so I.
Believe so.

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I believe he was always there.
He just, she helped him.

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Release him.
Yeah.

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Release him and find the place.
For him.

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So when he found a body, he just
took him with him.

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Yeah, he grabbed on to him.
OK, Yeah.

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Because I went when when she
figured that out and that whole

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scene was happening, it didn't
really hit me until he said,

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Agatha, am I killing some boy
just so my brother could live?

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I was just like, that's.
So.

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How do you make that decision?
But he wasn't though.

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That boy was going to drown
anyway.

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He was dead.
That boy was dead.

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Let's.
Just make that clear.

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And and and by.
The way.

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Can we, can we get those?
Can we get those little?

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Can we get those little fucking
hooligans locked up for pushing

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someone in a damn lake and
drowning them and holding them

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under the damn water?
Can we park them?

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A.
Little off the that actually

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happens a lot.
Yes, I'm surprised.

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Watch.
Tommy Tommy's going to be at

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Lake Lanier.
Watch.

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You know what?
Talk about spirits getting their

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events.
Exactly.

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See exactly if it's right in,
it's like his spirit goes to

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where spirits hang around and
then next thing you know, it's

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like he's like he's out there
running around interacting with

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all the all the spirits, except
they ain't going to do it

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because you know, he's white.
But then anyway, that's cool.

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Yeah.
But OK.

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The other part of this whole
final trial that I think did

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finally get me was Agatha
figuring out what she needed to

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do in order to, you know, get
through the trial and get out of

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the room.
Because even up till that point,

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we still don't know the truth
about what happened to her son.

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You know, Billy has asked her.
Rio has, you know, Rio has said

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something to her about it.
And you see her keep avoiding

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the topic.
But whenever she was thinking

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about her son, that's another
part where I felt pulled into

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the story, 'cause I was like,
OK, something didn't happen the

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way that everybody says it did.
Because Rio asked her, why do

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you let these people think?
Why do you let them think these

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things about you?
And I think at this point,

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acting is just kind of like,
because it really doesn't

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matter.
What did she say?

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Because the truth is worse.
And what's the truth?

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That that my son was taken by
the person that I love.

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That's a.
Whole I think, I think it hurts

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more.
That hurts her more.

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It's like she'd rather she'd
rather have people.

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She'd rather have people think
that she's a bitch than just to

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have pity on her for losing her
son when he's only 6 and she

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doesn't want to even think about
him.

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She'd rather think about, have
think about.

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She'd rather just be like,
whatever I'm I'm not even

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thinking about thinking about
that.

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And I think also to the fact
that she's this powerful witch

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and she couldn't do anything to
save him.

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That's got that's got to eat at
her too.

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It does and.
Her girlfriend took and her

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girlfriend took him.
Yeah, yeah.

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But I don't still don't like
what happened afterwards.

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So I guess that's what my
problem is.

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I'm not feeling the same energy
y'all feeling right now because

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I'm a little bit upset.
Which part?

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Just.
OK.

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I yeah, I feel bad that you lost
your son.

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I definitely do.
But you can you taking and

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killing all the witches.
See, I was hoping that didn't

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happen.
I wanted a different story for

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her.
OK, so we just turned around and

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made her.
But what?

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But wasn't you the one that said
when?

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Because I said I feel like
there's more to Agatha's

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character than her being this
evil.

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I I think I said this when we
discussed one to five I.

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Thought that she just had a bad
reputation.

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I think we go back and listen.
I think you said no, Agatha is

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evil.
She doesn't need a redemption

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story.
She doesn't need.

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Anything.
No, I just said she was

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different.
I was me.

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Yeah, 'cause I was saying I just
said she doesn't need a

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redemption story because I
thought she was just normal.

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And that witches attacker, she
can't help but take their power.

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You know what I'm saying?
She got caught up and every time

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it happens people say it was her
fault.

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That's what I was saying and
that's.

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What I.
Thought but they talked her into

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a bad witch they.
Didn't turn her into a bad

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witch, so no.
She was that she's been that

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way, didn't hear her mom say her
mom said that her mom.

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Said that her mom just
misunderstood her because she

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takes.
Mom understood perfectly, I

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think.
Her her mom.

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Her mom probably was a seek saw
into the future and saw with

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her.
Which basically which basically.

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Means and saw saw her daughter.
Anyway, 'cause you dated death.

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So I should have just just
stopped.

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Started with that part right
there.

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So she wasn't a nice hold on,
hold on before.

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Before we go into this train, so
I want to 1st 'cause he listens

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to the show, I want to give the
shout out to our secret member,

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podcast member, Nick.
Nick because you know, Nick and

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I went back and forth about this
and Nick was like, oh, you know,

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she's really good.
And, you know, maybe she's the

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person that wants people to
think that she's evil and really

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good and, and, you know, she's
the one that they were like,

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kick a cat in the block or No,
no, no, Nick.

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No, Nick, so just.
Grab the cat and they bury the

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cat because that's the kind of
person she, she was a murderous

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witch before she had the baby
and she was a murderous witch

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after she had the baby.
Because there's some people who

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are saying, oh, she was only
killing the other witches

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because she was trying to keep
more time with Nicholas.

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Now she was doing it before she
had them.

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She's a serial killer.
She's she's a she's a witch

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serial killer.
Michael call her Wayne Gacy.

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With her and she was struggling.
She started killing witches,

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that was.
Well, she did that because she

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was trying to keep death away.
She's on her body like they

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mentioned on the road.
OK.

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No, she.
Was already done, so about that.

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Girlfriend in the in when before
she had the baby and she.

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I have question.
Either way, you.

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Slice it.
Either way you slice it, she's a

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lady.
I agree with you.

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OK, This time I just thought
that we wasn't going to go that

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direction and we went that
direction.

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So I was quite disappointed in
the last two episodes to be

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completely honest, that's all.
I'm sorry, what?

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We were going to, yes.
Because she doesn't want, she

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didn't want the narrative that
if I, if I'm understanding you

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correctly, Michelle, no, I just
think you don't want the

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narrative of what we've been
saying all along, her being evil

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just to be evil, right?
I'd rather give her son up for

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power at this point.
If we gonna go bad, let's go

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bad.
Let's don't go in between.

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That's all.
What do you mean?

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She she went she she killed
witches for centuries.

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I.
How's that been?

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Bad she killed.
She probably killed witches

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before.
She killed witches before,

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during and after her son was
here.

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She wanted her to have a reason.
She wanted her to have a reason.

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Sometimes people ain't got.
A reason?

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Them to really understand her
and realize that they typecast

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her as the bad witch and she
really wasn't and she was going

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to let people believe that
because her mom instilled that

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in her see I was going a little
bit more deeper with this but

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now they kept it the way it was
she's.

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Bad just because she's bad,
she's.

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Bad she Sometimes people are
just bad.

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You can't.
You can't explain it.

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There's no complicated theory
for it.

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She's just trying to.
I get what you're saying, but I

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mean, I'm sorry.
Pointed to that, she really

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wasn't.
And that's what I was saying as

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well.
Yeah, that's what I was saying.

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Don't give me that.
So yeah, but even.

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Billy.
Wait, why are you yelling at me?

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We didn't.
We didn't.

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We didn't cool off the off the
other.

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Ain't nobody yelling, ain't
nobody yelling.

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Even.
Well, I'm on they side now.

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So even even Billy.
By myself.

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Cast her as as the evil witch,
you know, even Billy cast her as

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as the wicked witch.
So even on some level he knew,

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you know?
Yeah, but then we didn't have to

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make it that bad.
And I didn't need the montage of

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her killing them over centuries
and centuries.

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I didn't need that.
And she looked like she enjoyed

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it.
She.

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Enjoyed it.
She loved disasters that she was

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president.
That we like we made Wanda

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crazy, we making her and the
just the serial killer.

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She was on the Titanic, she was
at the Hindenburg disaster not.

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Because she was Jolene.
I just thought, well, that was

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because Death was following her.
Like Death wouldn't leave her

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alone.
So everywhere she went, Death

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came and.
So here's the question that I

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have in regards to death and,
and their relationship and

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stuff, because you get the you
get the idea.

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And again, I wasn't feeling it
in the first few episodes, but I

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kind of felt, I kind of felt it
a little bit more in the last

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few episodes.
So you get the feeling that both

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of them loved each other very
much.

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Like Death really loves Agatha.
You could see it when Agatha was

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basically rejecting her.
You could see how much it was

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hurting her.
You can see how much it hit it.

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It hurt her when she came from
Nikki the first time.

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But in the first episode when
they were arguing with each

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other and I I guess it was
because the dark hole was was

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hiding her from the other
witches so Death couldn't find

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her either.
But Death was like one really

453
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:51,320
pissed off about not being able
to find her but 2 was also very

454
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:55,280
hell bent on killing her.
Do we know if there was a

455
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:59,160
specific reason that Death was
after her or was it just that?

456
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:02,120
OK, well, since you were
supposed to burn at the stake

457
00:25:02,120 --> 00:25:05,600
and you got away, now it's one
of those things where I have to

458
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,000
it.
It's like a balance thing.

459
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:10,400
OK, you know, because if we
pull.

460
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:17,360
If we pull a little bit of what
death is, how she miss what she

461
00:25:17,360 --> 00:25:22,920
is in the comic books, she
doesn't really have the capacity

462
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:27,760
to care for anyone.
But what she does desire are

463
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:32,120
people that will will give her
deaths.

464
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,800
That's why she was in fact not
infatuated, but that's why she

465
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,960
was attached to Thanos.
And dimples.

466
00:25:39,360 --> 00:25:43,480
She yeah, she corrupted him at a
very well.

467
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:48,240
She knows she got him when he
was an infant to to be into her

468
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:53,800
and and offering up lives to her
because you have to realize

469
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:59,360
she's like a a she's like sort
of like not even like the

470
00:25:59,360 --> 00:26:03,440
celestial, sort of just a part
of the natural order of things.

471
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:09,440
So being around in the Thing,
they kind of made Agatha with

472
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:13,720
Thanos was the comic books,
because that's kind of what his

473
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:17,440
whole motivating factor was,
appeasing her and trying to

474
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:21,240
court her by offering her all
these deaths or whatever.

475
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,160
And I think she did that too.
She was taking, she was taking

476
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,800
that that role that Thanos had.
But instead, I think she was

477
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:31,920
doing at a certain point to keep
her away from Nicholas and I.

478
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,800
In her mind that she may have,
she may have believed that.

479
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:37,880
You know they're going to
Mensch.

480
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,680
I mean merge things together
because for the non comic book

481
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,040
people, you gotta give death
some feelings.

482
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:46,200
She has feelings.
I think she really did care for

483
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,840
Agatha.
But The thing is when a person

484
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:50,560
has to go, the person has to go.
She.

485
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,600
She cared.
She cared as much about Agatha

486
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:56,520
as a book.
He cares for his gambler.

487
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:58,680
But.
I'm but that's you going through

488
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:00,360
the converse.
They giving her a little bit

489
00:27:00,360 --> 00:27:01,600
more depth here.
OK, but.

490
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:06,240
If you follow everything Marvel
does, they still take elements

491
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,040
of the.
I'm just saying they added they

492
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,640
gave her a little bit more depth
that she actually probably did

493
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:14,880
care for someone and that's why
the only reason actor is to this

494
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,320
point.
And you know what, Michelle,

495
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:22,840
what you just said makes a lot
of sense because if if she was

496
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:26,800
using those deaths, if she was
luring, you know, not that she

497
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,800
was doing it to steal the
witch's power, yet she was doing

498
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:33,080
it for selfish reasons.
But if she was also doing that

499
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:38,120
to placate death, then that
would make sense for why death

500
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,480
chose that particular time to
come from Nikki.

501
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:44,560
Because remember, they were in
the village earlier and she was

502
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,120
trying to do it and Nikki didn't
want to do it anymore.

503
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,200
And it was that same night that
she came for him.

504
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,960
So actually make a whole lot of
sense.

505
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:58,400
So this is the thing that that
death, death would be like, OK,

506
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:02,720
well, that's what if she thinks
that I'm just going to like not

507
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,120
come get Nikki because she's
killing all these witches.

508
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,640
She can believe that and not
just let her kill him.

509
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:12,040
And then when Nikki basically
convinced her to stop doing it

510
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,920
and this was like, well, I have
no reason to keep him around.

511
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:17,840
So she went and got well because
and all of it.

512
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,520
Did I mean she's a natural order
of things.

513
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:22,640
His time has been up to be
completely.

514
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,560
Right, but.
If but she I think she did care.

515
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:31,320
See, I agree with what you're
saying, but I'm adding the extra

516
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:35,800
layer that Marvel tends to do.
So you're still keeping it with

517
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,120
the Marvel level, but they
actually give you that bonus

518
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:41,600
whipped cream at the top, which
is that she actually did care

519
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,960
for Agatha enough to leave her
son-in-law because she was

520
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,200
getting those bodies.
But if you're not giving me the

521
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,480
bodies, it's his time.
It's like it's been his time.

522
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:52,080
Like how old was this little
boy?

523
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:56,840
6, It's been 6 years.
I gave you time and I told you

524
00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:01,680
from the beginning that I'm
going to come and I can't tell

525
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,560
you how much time I'm going to
give you, but you gave me bodies

526
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,640
and I care for you but I had to
take them just like now I have

527
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,520
to take you.
You are past your expiration

528
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:12,320
date.
Like I love you, but you are

529
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,320
like completely past your
expiration date.

530
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,240
Also, while she was under the
spell, it's like she wasn't, she

531
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:22,400
wasn't giving death any bodies.
It's like like death is like I,

532
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:27,600
I have a theory that I'm sorry,
I have a theory that Agatha and

533
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,200
death, other than a
relationship, I think they

534
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,560
actually had an arrangement
where that's the whole reason

535
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:37,560
that Agatha killed so many
witches was because her and

536
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:39,720
death had a relate.
Her and death had a deal where

537
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:44,480
she kept giving her bodies and
and they would like just out of

538
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,000
love or just, you know, to keep
her going.

539
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,240
Like, you know, I won't come.
I won't come for you personally

540
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,960
if you keep giving me bodies.
But I think after Nikki dies she

541
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:55,680
I.
I seriously doubt Agatha.

542
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:59,480
I'm talking about in the first.
After that I'm talking about

543
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:03,000
after that when she kept killing
people like even even death of

544
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:07,240
death probably like well, OK,
I'm I still took him but it but

545
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,440
she was still giving her body so
she's like, well, I'll leave you

546
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,000
alone for now.
So but when she.

547
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,360
Couldn't find her.
She couldn't find her because of

548
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,200
the dark hole.
She said something about that in

549
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,000
the 1st episode.
Right.

550
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:18,720
But after, after When did that?
When?

551
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,720
Did that occur though?
When did what occur?

552
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:27,160
When did she eat the dark hole?
Probably sometime in the 1750s

553
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:33,880
cause Nikki was born in 1750.
Agatha had the dark hold for

554
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,400
what, 200 years?
Yeah, I was just trying to

555
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,800
figure out because she still was
killing those people, I feel

556
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:42,920
like before.
At that point, she probably was

557
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:44,800
just doing it just because she
wanted to do it.

558
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,320
She was angry.
And at that point she has

559
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,040
nothing.
Like there's nothing stopping

560
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,000
her.
But Death wouldn't need to look

561
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:57,400
for her because if if Death is
finding a circle of bodies of

562
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:02,240
witches.
You know what?

563
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,080
I think that's kind.
I think that's kind of a plot

564
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,000
hole.
Because she was.

565
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:15,640
He died in 1750.
Nicholas. 1756. 1756 and so

566
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:20,120
she's been she's been killing
witches since then.

567
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:26,440
If she got the, if she got the
dark hold in like 200 something

568
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:31,800
years ago, it just seems like I
would, I wish they would have

569
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:32,960
put it.
I wish they would have put it

570
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:34,160
in.
I wish they would have mentioned

571
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:37,440
it or, or like, but they didn't.
They they, they, they never

572
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,000
showed how she got the dark
hole.

573
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,560
And she obviously didn't get it
by trading her son.

574
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,480
So it's like it's kind of, it's
kind of a, it's kind of a

575
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,400
hanging thread where it's like,
yeah, this is like a hanging

576
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:48,840
thread in your back.
Like how?

577
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:53,560
Well, you know what I would
think maybe, OK, if we're, if

578
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,560
we're going with this theory
that Death actually does care

579
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:58,760
for Agatha, like she actually
loves her.

580
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:03,400
Maybe once she took Nikki, she
felt like, OK, let me leave her

581
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,760
alone for a bit because she
didn't want to do it.

582
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,560
You could see that in her face
the first time she saw her and

583
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:13,120
she was just basically like, I
don't want to do this but I have

584
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,400
to do this because again, it's
the natural order of things.

585
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,000
So once you what?
What was it that Agatha told

586
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:20,360
her?
She was like, if you do this, I

587
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:23,600
will hate you forever.
OK, I'll give you a few years.

588
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:27,960
And like we said, as long as she
was flying bodies, death was

589
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,200
good.
But that one time Nikki was

590
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:31,720
like, I don't want to do this
anymore.

591
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:35,320
We can kill witches tomorrow.
I think Agatha at that point

592
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:39,320
realized if Nikki stopped her
once, there was no way he was

593
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,120
going to go back to doing that
because he had been questioning

594
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,440
her about this ever since, you
know, that we saw.

595
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,400
So this was something he didn't
want to do.

596
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:55,240
Now she probably didn't tell him
about what the arrangement was

597
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:59,160
or whatever, but she knew when
he told her.

598
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,440
Hey, we can, we don't have to do
this today.

599
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:02,920
We can kill the witches
tomorrow.

600
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,240
She did say something to him
about I don't know how much time

601
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,280
I have with you.
I can't, you know, I can do all

602
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,960
this stuff with my magic.
I can't cure what ails you.

603
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:15,320
I can't give you more time, and
I don't know when she'll come

604
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:19,280
for you.
I really think Agatha had an

605
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,800
inkling that Death might come
for him.

606
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:26,160
If you look at the way she
treated him that night, she was

607
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,040
very She was very touchy feely
with him.

608
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:33,400
She was very motherly.
She was very like she was

609
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,880
treating him like it would be
the last time she saw him.

610
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:38,280
Even the way that she.
Slept.

611
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,640
She slept with him all up under
him like she.

612
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,240
She hadn't had him wrapped.
Up and like, like like she was

613
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:44,920
trying to hold on to him so it
wouldn't.

614
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,840
Go.
So I think she she kind of

615
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,720
figured the time was coming
close.

616
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:56,560
And then with the way that it
happened, like, OK, you're deaf.

617
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,320
You ain't supposed to be scared
of nobody.

618
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,720
If you really wanted to hurt
Agatha, if that was really your

619
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,240
MO, you could have taken Nikki
while Agatha was right there

620
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:09,520
watching, while she was pleading
with you, just to be done with

621
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,639
it.
She didn't have the guts to face

622
00:34:11,639 --> 00:34:15,159
Agatha, I don't think, because
of what she feels for her.

623
00:34:15,159 --> 00:34:19,080
She was like, OK, you know what?
I'm going to take him, but take

624
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,320
him beyond Death's door.
And then I'm just going to leave

625
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:26,360
her alone, let her kill the
witches, let her be angry,

626
00:34:26,679 --> 00:34:29,280
whatever.
Let her do it 'cause I think at

627
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,520
this point Death is like, OK, I
owe her that much.

628
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:37,719
I I should give her that much.
But you've been, you've been

629
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,800
hitting for 200 years now.
I'm pissed because.

630
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:45,840
Yeah, my, my, the, the reason
why it's hard for me to wrap my

631
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:50,120
head around that concept is in
the comic books, death only does

632
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:55,320
things that would maximize the
number of deaths that occur.

633
00:34:56,040 --> 00:35:00,280
So if she, if you believe that
you love her and she loves you,

634
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,440
and that's going to cause you to
create more deaths, then of

635
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,400
course she's going to be like,
oh, yeah, I love you.

636
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:09,680
I care for you so much, but
she's actually indifferent to it

637
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,160
as long as you continue to give
her bodies.

638
00:35:12,240 --> 00:35:15,880
But if you look at her, if you
look at her facial expression,

639
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,080
then that's look at the way that
she acts.

640
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:23,080
Oh yeah, she's a great actress.
She cares about action, but you

641
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:24,040
got to go that.
Is awesome.

642
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,800
She's a great actress.
But you can still fall in love

643
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,400
with one of your.
But no, she can still fall in

644
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,600
love with one of her minions.
Who's giving her, who's giving

645
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:35,200
her death?
She still can fall in love with

646
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,640
one of them.
We we got to give her more

647
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:38,720
death.
Death.

648
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,120
OK.
Definitely.

649
00:35:41,240 --> 00:35:44,640
Not clear cut.
OK, Yeah, it was.

650
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:45,520
Death, Death.
Death.

651
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:49,160
Death, Death.
Death, like give her some extra

652
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,760
like, that's the one thing I do
love about Marvel doing now is

653
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:56,480
giving a little more Death into
a person.

654
00:35:58,160 --> 00:35:59,480
Seeing a person.
Killing more people.

655
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,080
Being objects, you know what I
mean.

656
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:06,920
OK, I do have a comic book
related question that kind of

657
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:10,720
sort of has to do with this show
is gonna go way off left field.

658
00:36:10,720 --> 00:36:15,360
But we we heard mention of it in
in the first episode.

659
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:22,080
Did I read correctly that
Mephisto is actually Agatha's

660
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:27,560
father?
No, that I did not.

661
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:32,720
No, OK, I saw that somewhere and
I was like.

662
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,960
OK, I mean, I didn't look it up,
but I.

663
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:42,240
Don't know, OK.
I was just wondering, 'cause it,

664
00:36:42,240 --> 00:36:47,400
it came across, it came across
my news feed on, I forgot one of

665
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:51,720
the sites and I was just like, I
have not heard Anthony nor

666
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:57,160
Michael mention this at all.
And I feel like if that was the

667
00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:00,320
case, that's something, if, if
not Anthony, that's something

668
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:01,960
might definitely would have
meant.

669
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,080
I would have yelled that shit.
I would have been, I would have

670
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:07,720
been like, hell yeah.
But Daddy confirmed.

671
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:13,120
Daddy confirmed.
Two children are black heart and

672
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,120
Gray light.
Yeah, OK.

673
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:17,520
Yeah.
Her her father's never been

674
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:19,760
identified.
See if the thing about the thing

675
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:24,040
about Agatha Harkness is she's
really like not even AD list

676
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:29,400
character in the combo list.
She she's never had a series

677
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,960
dedicated to her.
She's never even had a one shot

678
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:38,680
as a like she's literally just a
side character side character.

679
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:40,360
OK.
She's like a she's like, she's

680
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:42,960
like a she's like Mr. Miyagi for
witches, basically.

681
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,000
It's like she does.
She's not, she's not going to

682
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:46,360
be.
She's something, someone, you

683
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,920
know, but she's not someone
who's going to be out there

684
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:52,640
because she basically just
counsels witches and shows them

685
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,400
how to be better witches.
That's basically all she did in

686
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:58,720
the comic books.
She just got a bigger she she

687
00:37:58,720 --> 00:38:01,200
got a bigger platform just
because of how Katherine Hahn

688
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:03,200
played her in one division.
Yeah, but.

689
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:05,840
So she went a totally opposite
way.

690
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,760
She was helping and guiding
witches to just completely

691
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:13,440
destroying and killing them.
Well, I, I guess that's what

692
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:17,280
that's what Anthony was saying,
that they gave her that they

693
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,040
gave her what Thanos was doing
in the comic book.

694
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,440
So that would make sense if
that's the case.

695
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:26,680
Well, she was she, I guess she
would be like chaotic and

696
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,360
neutral.
Like she wasn't really good or

697
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:33,560
bad.
It was like, oh scary witch, you

698
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,520
are very, very powerful, but
your shit is kind of wild.

699
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:38,480
Let me kind of help you out
here.

700
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:40,480
And see, that's what I wanted
for her.

701
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:42,560
I really wanted complete Gray
for her.

702
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:44,920
I really did.
I wanted the neutral.

703
00:38:46,240 --> 00:38:48,680
She's straight chaos.
Like she thrives on that shit.

704
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,240
It's like she that's why she
went on the road.

705
00:38:51,240 --> 00:38:53,520
She was like, oh, this is going
to be chaotic as fuck.

706
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,760
I'm in, let's go.
And This is why she went along

707
00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:00,000
with Wanda in one division.
And she's like, oh, I can, I can

708
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,920
act a fool and do all this other
shit and then pretend to be all

709
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:04,560
this other stuff and wear
spandex and shit.

710
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,880
Hell yeah, let's do this.
Let's see where this goes.

711
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,680
That's basically her mantra is
like, let's see where this goes.

712
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:14,080
That's why when I was arguing
back and forth with Nick, I

713
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:17,360
would accept that she would be
chaotic neutral, because then

714
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:21,280
everything she does is really
for her benefit, whether it be

715
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:24,720
good or evil.
But no, she's chaotic evil,

716
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:28,080
Yeah.
I mean, you can't, we can't even

717
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:32,400
bounce back from that.
If it was like 2-3 rounds while

718
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,480
you had Nicholas, OK, while you
had Nicholas, you did it.

719
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,480
I can't understand.
But when it was over, like you

720
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:43,560
went on a complete world tour.
Yep, all based on a song she

721
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,640
made-up.
Conversely, though, if you if

722
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:53,280
you think about it, I mean it,
she out she was to do what she's

723
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,360
doing.
Like even if it was for her

724
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,800
kids, she's still like kill.
She's using her using your kid

725
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:03,040
to kill people like that mean
that's that's straight up evil

726
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,440
anyway.
Oh, that's like a whole other

727
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,200
therapy session.
That's a whole other therapy

728
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:09,960
session.
Understand if you're trying to

729
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:15,920
keep your kid alive, I do.
Not using him to do it though,

730
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:17,280
that's.
Why?

731
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:19,920
Hey, you trying to keep him
alive?

732
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,760
You just don't know.
You just don't know how well.

733
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,160
Turn it into a 7.
How the?

734
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,320
7 is not bad to me.
They're not really bad.

735
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:31,600
The seven, they, they, they
really do need to come and kill

736
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:33,440
her.
No, they need therapy.

737
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:36,200
The the seven need therapy like
because why do they?

738
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,960
Need therapy.
Their life was destroyed by.

739
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,320
Their parents got their parents
got killed.

740
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,240
It's like they they could, they
could have gone to a therapist

741
00:40:45,240 --> 00:40:47,080
and been like and say I want to
kill her.

742
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:48,760
Should I kill her?
And if there's been like no.

743
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:52,160
When you find out that the
person that killed your parents

744
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:56,840
is a serial, in your own words,
Mike a witch is a killer killer.

745
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:00,280
There ain't enough therapy in
the world.

746
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:04,400
That is a vengeance tour.
That is revenge that is.

747
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:08,560
We need just sure she doesn't do
this to anybody else.

748
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:09,960
I'm trying.
I'm just trying.

749
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:11,360
I'm just trying to find a
different solution.

750
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:15,560
I'm sorry, I'm just trying.
No, I mean, that's the solution

751
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:16,880
right there.
They should have killed.

752
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:22,600
And then after all of this,
after her helping Jen, her

753
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,800
helping Billy, when she gets to
the end and she realized she

754
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:29,240
can't whoop Death's ass, then
she's like, Oh yeah, OK, take

755
00:41:29,240 --> 00:41:35,160
the boy excuse.
After he, after he, after he

756
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:38,040
powered her up.
I really thought she was going

757
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,400
to redeem herself.
I was like, Oh my gosh, she's

758
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:41,520
going to save this boy.
The.

759
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:46,480
Only reason she did it, the only
reason why she did it was

760
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,800
because when he got in her head
and said is this what happened

761
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,120
to Nikki?
She was like, I can't do this to

762
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,200
another boy.
I think that's the only thing

763
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,400
that's like that small piece of
I'm not even going to call it

764
00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:59,920
redemption.
I'm going to call it regret.

765
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,720
She was like, OK, get away.
I can't do this.

766
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:04,760
But beforehand, she just threw
him out there.

767
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:06,640
There you go, Deaf.
I'm good.

768
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:09,040
Yeah, I.
Think about like think about

769
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:11,160
like this.
This is the second time that

770
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,720
Wiccan has mentioned Nicholas
and she's had pause.

771
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:18,680
The first time was when was when
she was she was draining Alice

772
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,640
and he did that a little bit.
If you were done that a little

773
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:24,120
bit earlier, he probably could.
No, actually this is the third

774
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:25,680
time.
Then, because he asked her.

775
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:30,360
He asked her after she recovered
from his injury.

776
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,280
He asked her, he said what
really happened to your son.

777
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:36,680
And she, she got up and she made
her snarky thing.

778
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,080
You hurry up and recover 'cause
we need to keep going.

779
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:41,720
Well, yeah, yeah.
So that's the third time.

780
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:45,680
I, I was talking about like
stuff where, where like, where

781
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,480
like powers were kind of
involved, like where, where,

782
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,360
where like certain, like, you
know, like, like where certain

783
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:54,120
death was getting ready to
happen, like like where she was

784
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:57,880
killing Alice or where death was
getting ready to take him and

785
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:02,200
she end up end up getting the
kiss of death and, and so and

786
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:03,760
turning and turning into
problem.

787
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,360
Best psycho psychoactive
mushrooms ever.

788
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:12,640
If you ever got it, I.
I I was looking, I was looking

789
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:14,040
at it when they, when they
started sprouting.

790
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:17,040
I was like, man, those shits
will blow your.

791
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,920
When she told her, she said why
don't you plant something while

792
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:21,720
you had it?
Yeah, she's like, yeah, plant

793
00:43:21,720 --> 00:43:23,920
some azaleas while you had it.
So.

794
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:25,880
What?
So what so Sparky can eat him

795
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:29,280
again?
She can see see get boner get

796
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,680
get Ralph Boulder to feed Sparky
Sparky some more.

797
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,440
Like damn.
He's dead now.

798
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:42,360
I will say this Wiccan's
superhero costume reveal, I

799
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,840
loved it.
I love it the way that he just

800
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,640
can't kind of came in there.
I loved it because I was like,

801
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:52,240
he is very much channeling his
mother right now.

802
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,560
Yeah, just comic accurate too.
It's comic accurate too.

803
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,160
With some vision in there too.
Yeah.

804
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:02,000
And his mother, 'cause I like
how because in the comics,

805
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:06,920
Wiccan only has a headband.
It's just like a solid headband.

806
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,800
It's not the crown that Wanda
had on, OK?

807
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,280
Like, like, like the crown that
he has on in the show.

808
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:16,200
I actually like that change.
I think that that was a really

809
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,080
good change.
It looks good it.

810
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,720
Looks good on him.
So like naturally towards the

811
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,600
end of the show I'm like, OK, so
when we gonna see him again,

812
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:30,800
'cause.
Probably Vision Quest.

813
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:38,040
Oh yeah, but Vision Quest is not
coming out till 2026, right?

814
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:41,480
Yeah, when young younger visuals
they coming out till 2020.

815
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:43,880
Eight or something.
Then they need They haven't even

816
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:46,120
scheduled Young Avengers yet.
OK, Yeah.

817
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:48,920
We, we don't, we're, we're,
we're teasing, we're fooling

818
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:50,600
ourselves by thinking that's
going to come soon.

819
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,760
So let's just focus on stuff
that actually is closer to

820
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,880
coming, which is vision quest.
I mean, shit, he might, he might

821
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:58,680
be.
No, I don't think gonna be in

822
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:02,080
Secret Wars.
I that I can't really think of

823
00:45:02,240 --> 00:45:04,520
off the top of my head.
I can't think of anything coming

824
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:09,080
up that they could be in.
But but I think that I know that

825
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:13,520
Vision Quest it Vision quest
makes the most sense because I

826
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:17,920
mean, vision is technically
their dad, their daddy.

827
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:21,240
They share wiring or whatever.
And it's like you kind of have

828
00:45:21,240 --> 00:45:24,440
to be there.
There's a connection there.

829
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:30,080
So I mean, there could be, I
mean, I can't really think of

830
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:33,560
anywhere else that they could,
they could really come in unless

831
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:35,720
they try to shoehorn them in,
which I hope they don't.

832
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:38,600
I just want them to create
something that where they

833
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:42,480
actually fit conveniently into
instead of being forced in.

834
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,600
Like, you know, right?
I've had enough of that.

835
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:52,120
OK, so I think the only thing
that really bothered me about

836
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:56,040
this episode, and it's it's like
a small thing, but it's one of

837
00:45:56,040 --> 00:46:00,640
those things that I caught.
If you thinking, and Michelle

838
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:02,880
will tell you, I have an issue
with timelines.

839
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:06,800
Like I have to figure out how
things match up and stuff like

840
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:10,520
that.
So she makes the mention when

841
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:15,920
she's trying to teach him how to
how to find Billy.

842
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:20,280
She was like, imagine you're in
your bedroom, you're 10 years

843
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:24,080
old.
William Kaplan was 13 when the

844
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:27,000
car accident happened.
So there's there's a three-year

845
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:31,160
age difference.
So that means that although

846
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:38,640
William Kaplan is 16 right now,
Billy is only 13 and he has a

847
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:44,320
boyfriend, an older boyfriend.
That's just it's, it's a little

848
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,240
icky to me.
You think you're thinking about

849
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:49,680
the wrong.
Thing no eat himself up we have

850
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:58,080
had this conversation with
invisible and yes so it it's one

851
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:01,280
of those things that stuck out
to me like he.

852
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:05,120
Beat himself up.
I mean like literally over a day

853
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:08,160
he went from a toddler to a 10
year old.

854
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:12,440
Yeah, so he can age himself up.
So that means that technically

855
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:14,920
speaking, he's younger than
that, which makes it.

856
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:17,320
Worse.
See you see your your, your

857
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:18,280
regret.
You're 30.

858
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,000
Days old I.
Mean, Nicole, you're

859
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,240
snowballing.
Hold on, Wait a minute.

860
00:47:22,240 --> 00:47:25,760
Just slow them slowly Rolls.
I'm just saying it's very weird.

861
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:30,360
So really, how old is he?
Because how long has Agatha been

862
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,160
under the spell?
She's.

863
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:34,680
Been under the spell spell for
three years.

864
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:38,000
Three years.
He literally went from birth to

865
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:42,960
age 10 in a matter of a couple
of weeks I believe.

866
00:47:43,240 --> 00:47:46,200
OK, so he's really three years
old.

867
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:49,080
Yes.
So that's why you can't think

868
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:51,640
about like that he.
Aged up because that means that

869
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:54,040
means that means that means
boyfriend boyfriend's a sexual

870
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:56,040
predator and we can't have that
so it's.

871
00:47:56,120 --> 00:48:00,920
Like he's mature enough.
He aged up, he aged himself up,

872
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:05,640
OK, because he had to to get
into that, to be in that mind

873
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:10,000
frame and that body.
He aged up and he he's the only

874
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:12,880
person who can do that.
Yeah, him and his brother are

875
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:17,760
the only people who can do that
and like and and adjust because.

876
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:22,640
The show In the show, did they
age themselves up or did she age

877
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:26,200
them up?
No, they aged themselves.

878
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:29,160
They aged, did they?
That that that's a sticky wicked

879
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:31,200
because it could.
Be OK.

880
00:48:31,240 --> 00:48:32,800
You know what, let's not go
there.

881
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:34,680
I'm I'm sorry I brought it up
because.

882
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:37,800
She probably because they them
up.

883
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,240
Yeah, they, they because they
looked at each other.

884
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:41,880
They looked at each other and
smiled.

885
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:44,480
And then they aged up.
It's like they aged themselves

886
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,960
up twice like that.
They then because.

887
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:49,400
Yeah.
Because she was Wanda.

888
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:51,400
Was like no, no, no, no.
Wanda was like don't do it.

889
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:52,080
Don't do it.
Don't do.

890
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:53,080
It Yeah.
And they Billy.

891
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:55,880
Dee And they did, yeah.
Yeah, OK.

892
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,400
So they can age themselves up.
No, he can age himself up.

893
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:00,440
So that's, that's how that fixed
that for you.

894
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:04,680
He aged himself up.
OK, OK, I, I, I can go with

895
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:06,120
that.
But some.

896
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:08,480
Some some some things writers
just don't think about.

897
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:11,680
They just kind of just go along
with where they need to go and.

898
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:14,360
Try, you know, it's one of those
conversations that we always

899
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:18,320
have when it comes to like
vampires, like Vampire Diaries,

900
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:23,240
you know, 150 year old vampires
going to high school, Twilight

901
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:26,480
Drag.
I mean, you always think about.

902
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:30,000
This when you're.
Talking about, there's one of

903
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:33,680
those things that you kind of,
it's weird because you're

904
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:36,920
thinking about this like, OK,
this is an immortal character.

905
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:42,440
Or if you thinking about like
Monster girl and and Rudy and

906
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,320
invincible, it's like, OK, but
what are they supposed to do?

907
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:49,360
Like they, they can't really
date somebody in their age range

908
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:53,720
because like with Monster girl,
she's 25, but she looks 12.

909
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,360
So it's always one of those
things.

910
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:59,280
And I think that's something
that people need to talk about

911
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:03,920
more because everybody's like,
oh, that's 150 year old vampire.

912
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:07,400
They sitting there, you know,
trying to date a high school

913
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,280
girl that's being predator.
Who the fuck are they supposed

914
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:12,680
to date?
If that was the age they were

915
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:15,800
when they died?
I think, Anthony, I think you

916
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:19,320
always say this, a lot of
people, they get stuck in that

917
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:23,920
trauma from around that time.
So it's just, it's just one of

918
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:28,000
those weird things.
Not vampires, they grow with

919
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:31,080
time, you understand they
mature.

920
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:35,440
It is sticky with them though.
OK but who nobody supposed to

921
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:38,240
date because they all dead.
So that is true.

922
00:50:38,240 --> 00:50:40,440
They have they can't like I'm
not going.

923
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:43,000
I'm looking like I'm like a
fresh 19 year old.

924
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,280
I'm not going to see her and
date an 80 year old that's going

925
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:54,920
to die next week.
Some people do now, but yeah,

926
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:58,800
OK, we can, we can, we can get
rid of, we can go move forward

927
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:02,760
from this, this age.
That they may have, I think they

928
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:06,200
thought about it, but you just
answer your question like they

929
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:10,640
showed us in one division that
Billy could age up when he

930
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:14,480
wanted to.
So it is an explanation for if

931
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:18,120
they never kind of showed that,
then I would be with you with

932
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:20,840
OK, he's 10 and a 13 year old
body.

933
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:26,160
Then when the 13 year old turns
into 16, he's 13 dating an 18

934
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:27,520
year old.
That's a little bit.

935
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:31,960
That's like a going into high
school, dating someone leaving

936
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:38,840
high school.
But yeah, yeah, 'cause I was

937
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:40,840
going to say that, that'll turn
into a whole different

938
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:44,600
conversation.
Billy aged himself up so he is

939
00:51:44,720 --> 00:51:48,760
currently 16.
Yeah, OK, We'll, we'll just go

940
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:49,960
with that.
OK.

941
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:53,760
Moving on, moving on from that.
Agatha is a ghost.

942
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:57,440
Do we really?
Do we?

943
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:59,280
Really.
But that, but that, that's her.

944
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,120
That's her main form in the
comments though.

945
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:04,840
She's Gray haired and she's a
ghost.

946
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:05,840
OK.
OK.

947
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:07,720
Thank you.
Because I didn't like that

948
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:10,840
either.
And, and it's not that I don't

949
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:15,640
like it because, OK, she exists
as a ghost, which I kind of feel

950
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:17,960
like maybe that was what she was
trying to do.

951
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:20,680
She was like, OK, let me get one
over on death.

952
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:24,520
And then at the same time, let
me still exist in a powerful

953
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:26,280
form.
I don't know how that's going to

954
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:30,080
go, 'cause I don't know how
ghosts in this particular

955
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:35,880
universe, in this particular
world, just how much, how useful

956
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:37,840
they can be.
I mean, we saw she had to get

957
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:41,520
like really emotional and angry
in order to even be able to pick

958
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:44,920
up the brooch.
But it's like ghost, huh?

959
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:49,080
What'd you say that?
Was like ghost Patrick.

960
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:51,920
Squeezing it with with with the
with the penny like pushing.

961
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:56,200
It up the wall.
Yeah, but it's it's like, OK, so

962
00:52:56,200 --> 00:53:01,560
now you're gonna go try to help
Tommy find his brother as a

963
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:04,240
ghost.
Yeah, I can already tell you're

964
00:53:04,240 --> 00:53:08,640
about to be more irritating as a
ghost than you ever were alive.

965
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:13,680
Duh, of course she is.
But she.

966
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:15,680
Can go in, she can go anywhere
she wants to go.

967
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:17,640
She can talk.
She's going to be talking to

968
00:53:18,240 --> 00:53:20,880
Wiccan and Wiccan is going to be
talking to her and nobody's

969
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:23,120
going to be able to see her.
So we're just going to look like

970
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:25,360
he's talking to himself.
So people going to be like, what

971
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:27,360
the fuck is it?
It's the, it's the, it's the,

972
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:31,240
it's the same old ghost friend
trope where the ghost friend

973
00:53:31,240 --> 00:53:33,680
talks, talks, talks to the human
and the human tries to talk to

974
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:35,640
them and they're that
everybody's like, Oh my God,

975
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:37,400
it's not because crazy.
Who the fuck is he talking to?

976
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:41,000
So that's where we're going,
yeah, unless, unless activist

977
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:43,640
shows herself and says do all
the time and scares people.

978
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:48,040
Which she probably does, but
would be annoying.

979
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:51,160
Yes, it's going to be.
The conversation that they were

980
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:55,640
having right there at the end,
OK, so even though we see Wiccan

981
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:59,320
has some of his mother's
abilities, he was able to create

982
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:02,200
the whole witch's road and
everything that happened.

983
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:05,160
And of course the people who
died within the witch's road,

984
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:09,120
they actually died in real life.
But I like the fact that even

985
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:12,160
though they show the similarity
between him and his mother, they

986
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:15,640
also show the difference because
once he realized what happened,

987
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:18,640
what he did, he was immediately
remorseful.

988
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:22,440
Like, I don't want to do this
anymore because people died.

989
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:26,600
And she had to sit there and
kind of convince him, like,

990
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:28,480
well, you actually saved the
life.

991
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:31,280
You saved Jen.
And let's be honest, I was going

992
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:33,760
to kill them all in my basement
the first day anyways, so.

993
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:39,720
Basically.
But OK, Jen crawling out of the

994
00:54:39,720 --> 00:54:45,600
ground and flying away.
So obviously that means we're

995
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:49,720
probably going to see her again.
What is her character like in

996
00:54:49,720 --> 00:54:52,600
the comics?
Because I've heard a little bit

997
00:54:52,720 --> 00:54:57,920
of.
All right, so I'm surprised that

998
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:02,360
I haven't heard about this more
because Jennifer Kale in the

999
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:07,680
comics is white and blonde.
First of all, OK, but I have I'm

1000
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:10,600
I'm glad I haven't heard like,
Oh my God, they they color

1001
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:14,960
switched above like whatever.
But she's also featured in the

1002
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:18,080
midnight Suns, which has been
with which they have have

1003
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:22,360
announced that is in production.
So and she has she has so she

1004
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:24,360
has she has a link to ghost
rider.

1005
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:26,920
She has linked to blade, she has
linked to moon night.

1006
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:29,280
She has a link to everybody else
that's been in that.

1007
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:33,080
So she can basically basically
go anywhere from there.

1008
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:38,000
OK, so OK, I, I'm, I'm looking
for I, I hope, I hope she gets

1009
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:40,080
that because I really love
Sasheer's performance.

1010
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:42,280
Like I thought she she did an
excellent job in.

1011
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:45,600
This show, she was one of the
best parts of this show.

1012
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:49,400
Yeah, she really was.
I really want, I really want to

1013
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:52,040
see if they get, if they figure
out a way to get Lilia back

1014
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:55,640
somehow because they didn't show
her dead, they just showed her

1015
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:57,960
going back to start training
again.

1016
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:02,720
Yeah.
So thank you.

1017
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:05,840
I mean, I, I wouldn't mind
seeing her, but I but I think,

1018
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:08,960
but I'm pretty sure that she's
gonna come up again somewhere,

1019
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:10,800
somewhere along the line.
OK.

1020
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:15,120
OK.
But yeah, overall I will say

1021
00:56:16,240 --> 00:56:21,120
aside, aside from my earlier
reservations in the way I feel,

1022
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:25,160
I I kind of do like the way the
show wrapped up.

1023
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:30,600
And I particularly liked the
last four episodes way better

1024
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:34,480
than I did the first five.
But like I said, there were

1025
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:37,880
things that I just missed with
the first five that once I went

1026
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:41,160
back and looked, I was like, oh,
OK, so I missed that.

1027
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:43,440
That makes sense for this, that
and other.

1028
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:47,520
So I think what I'm just going
to have to do for myself is even

1029
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:51,000
though it might be hard with
certain things, I have to go

1030
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:55,680
back to my rule of watching
things at least twice before we

1031
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:59,160
record.
Because other than that, I I'm I

1032
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:02,680
miss, I missed a whole bunch of
stuff because I didn't go back

1033
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:06,080
and rewatch the episodes.
So yeah, that's.

1034
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:09,360
Right real quick as some of some
I forgot since you were talking

1035
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:14,200
about Jennifer Kell, she is
actually related to Johnny

1036
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:17,880
Blaze.
Wow.

1037
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:22,720
Yeah, like their cousins.
Or wait, hold on then.

1038
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:25,360
She is the cousin of Johnny
Blaze.

1039
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:29,800
OK.
So it makes it easier for them

1040
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:34,360
to bring him, bring you that
Ghost Rider in if they want, if

1041
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:37,520
they want to redo it just so.
I mean, it'd be, it'd be kind of

1042
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:39,280
weird.
It'd be kind of hard to explain

1043
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:48,360
her being Nicholas Cage's
cousin, but I mean, you know, it

1044
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:49,200
could.
Happen.

1045
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:52,200
Just maybe they would just.
She could still be his cousin

1046
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:53,280
and he'd be white.
Yeah.

1047
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:57,080
You know their design.
I mean, I'm not even, I'm not

1048
00:57:57,080 --> 00:58:00,120
even worried about that part.
I was just, I was just more

1049
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:02,520
thinking like how are they
related?

1050
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:09,480
Because if you think about it.
OK, OK, here's here's here.

1051
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:10,400
I got it.
I got it right here.

1052
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:14,640
So Jen learns that she she was
doing something with John Danny

1053
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:16,520
Ketch and Johnny Blaze's Ghost
Rider.

1054
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:18,160
Like both of them were Ghost
Rider.

1055
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:19,480
So she's doing something to both
of them.

1056
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:23,240
So she finds out that she's that
she's Johnny Blaze's cousin.

1057
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:28,360
She's a cousin of of them
descended from the noble from

1058
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:30,720
noble Kale.
He's the Ghost Rider of the 17th

1059
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:34,240
century.
So, OK, so, so there's a

1060
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:38,000
relation to that, so.
OK, OK.

1061
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:42,880
But that but I mean that that
that leads them into finding a

1062
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:46,120
ghost rider that leads them into
doing midnight Suns that leads,

1063
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:51,000
you know, so I'm so that that's
basically her her foray into it

1064
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:53,040
into.
Like, yeah, I and I think

1065
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:55,960
they've actually been talking
about like, I know that there's

1066
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:59,120
been rumors for the last couple
of years about them looking for

1067
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:04,120
a Ghost Rider, them doing a
Ghost Riders project.

1068
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:11,400
So, but I mean, it's kind of I
think at this point with Marvel,

1069
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:19,320
I think until I actually see
something like trailer wise

1070
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:23,400
concept art, something like
that, I'm really at a point

1071
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:27,120
where I'm just like, I'm not
gonna put any thought into what

1072
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:31,800
they could be doing years in,
you know, in years.

1073
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:35,360
Because like, they have so many
things that they've scrapped now

1074
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:40,600
that were supposed to happen.
Like Eternals is scrapped, Blay,

1075
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:44,280
Even though at D 23 Brazil, they
were like, we're still

1076
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:46,880
committed.
We still like what Mahershala

1077
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:48,160
was going to do with the
character.

1078
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:50,200
We just, you know, we got to
work on it.

1079
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:57,280
It's been how many years now?
We haven't heard anything about

1080
00:59:57,280 --> 01:00:02,720
Shang Shi 2.
Moonlight 2 is probably not

1081
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:05,240
going to happen.
There's just so many things out

1082
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:07,800
there.
You know, I, I've seen some

1083
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:11,760
things now about the mutant saga
that's supposed to come out and

1084
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:16,760
you know how they're going to be
incorporating the X-Men into the

1085
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:18,520
MCU.
And I'm like, but y'all still

1086
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:20,480
got this shit over here that
y'all haven't done yet.

1087
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:26,000
So I just, I'm at a point where
is until I see some stuff like

1088
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:28,960
the trailer they released a
couple of weeks ago where we saw

1089
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:32,120
clips of what if we saw clips of
Iron Heart?

1090
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:36,400
We saw clips of I forgot.
Yeah.

1091
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:38,440
So I.
Can can I?

1092
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:41,080
Can I comment?
Yes. 2 Two things.

1093
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:47,240
One, just because the crap is
filmed still doesn't mean it's

1094
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:53,440
going to come out because we've
seen HBO have stuff wrapped up,

1095
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:55,640
done, ready to go.
We're going to talk about HBO.

1096
01:00:56,720 --> 01:01:05,200
They just got rid of it.
So that's that's one and two it

1097
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:10,600
it I think I'm not going to go
off on the studio rant, but I

1098
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:16,040
think the the biggest issue that
Marvel has has has created this

1099
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:24,520
monster where in its effort or
in their, in their attempt to

1100
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:27,880
try to do all these things, like
to have all these things they

1101
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:33,040
want to do all these things they
want to accomplish, things are

1102
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:38,240
falling away.
Like instead of focusing on one

1103
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:42,680
thing or two things at a time,
they've divided up so many

1104
01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:47,080
different things that things are
running into each other.

1105
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:50,720
People are waiting around for
scripts to be done and they're

1106
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:53,080
like, you know, I'm going to go
do this other thing while y'all

1107
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:56,840
get this shit together.
Directors have these ideas about

1108
01:01:56,840 --> 01:01:58,640
what they want to do.
Like no, we can't do that

1109
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:01,600
because we want it to relate to
this other thing that we're

1110
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:04,480
doing that we plan to do.
Like, well, I can't do the movie

1111
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:07,880
I want want to do because you
want me to do something that's

1112
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:12,040
going to set up something later.
And and then you know, you have

1113
01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:14,960
the TV shows where you can't use
these characters because we're

1114
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:17,240
going to do this.
And this is creating this big

1115
01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:22,280
mess where things just falling
off thing because things get

1116
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:25,440
pushed.
Actors go do other things and

1117
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:28,720
the stuff that you are doing
isn't quality.

1118
01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:34,200
It isn't great because there's
no like the clear vision is

1119
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:39,520
gone.
Like it's gone and I, I don't

1120
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:44,080
know, Marvel and some other
franchise I won't, I won't name

1121
01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:48,200
on this on this podcast.
They just lost it.

1122
01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:50,280
The magic is gone.
It is.

1123
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:54,320
And I, I think we're, we're
starting to get to the point

1124
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:59,320
where where everything we're
getting is aggressively

1125
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:02,760
mediocre.
It's just they just trying to

1126
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:05,240
really, really hard to give his
mediocre stuff.

1127
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:09,760
I agree.
Yeah, I'm sorry.

1128
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:15,120
I I agree on some things, but I
just have my, I have my rose

1129
01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:18,240
colored glasses on where I just
suspect everything to be good

1130
01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:22,440
and I downgraded from there.
So but there there have been

1131
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:24,200
some things that could have been
way better.

1132
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:28,360
I mean, I think.
This could have been way better,

1133
01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:30,600
huh?
Oh yeah.

1134
01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:33,560
Yeah, Yeah.
I think I'm kind of in that

1135
01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:38,160
happy middle where I'm like, OK,
I don't go in with high

1136
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:42,320
expectations anymore because
there have been some things that

1137
01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:46,280
are just kind of like, I think
the thing that I'm most excited

1138
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:50,040
for right now just in the last
week.

1139
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:52,240
What?
What?

1140
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:55,880
Go ahead.
What you were you about to say,

1141
01:03:55,880 --> 01:04:00,960
Captain America?
No, actually, I mean, I am just

1142
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:04,800
because I like Sam Wilson.
I am looking forward to that.

1143
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:09,280
I I'm looking forward to it, but
I'm, I'm kind of, I'm, I'm

1144
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:16,000
cautiously optimistic because
that is one of those other

1145
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:19,400
productions that have had issues
with it.

1146
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:21,280
You know, they've had the story
change.

1147
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:25,440
I think the first time they had
a, they had a movie and they

1148
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:29,720
screen tested it, it got
horrible comments and reviews.

1149
01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:31,600
So they had to go back and redo
some things.

1150
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:35,960
So I'm cautiously optimistic,
but because I am Sam Wilson fan,

1151
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:38,840
I, you know, I'm looking forward
to it.

1152
01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:42,000
I'm really looking forward to
Thunderbolts because that looks

1153
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:44,480
like it's going to be a fun
movie if nothing else.

1154
01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:50,520
And they just released today,
the season 3 final, the trailer

1155
01:04:50,520 --> 01:04:54,320
for the final season of What If
Anthony, don't you don't you do

1156
01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:56,960
that because Anthony was like,
it's OK.

1157
01:04:57,280 --> 01:05:01,840
I'm so sorry.
That trailer was so good.

1158
01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:07,800
And then at the end to get Storm
holding Mulnair, I was like, I

1159
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:11,560
was in my office at work.
And when I saw that I went and I

1160
01:05:11,560 --> 01:05:15,120
was like, oh wait, I am at work.
Let me bring it down a notch.

1161
01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:19,680
But those two projects?
I'm looking forward to you

1162
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:24,200
didn't even I'm like I feel.
She I was going to tell you

1163
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:26,360
better, she posted in.
I thought you'd be have seen it.

1164
01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:27,880
No.
How could you do this?

1165
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:30,520
Oh.
You didn't see it bad said it

1166
01:05:30,520 --> 01:05:31,720
been bad.
Oh my gosh, yes it is.

1167
01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:35,560
I'm.
Devastated.

1168
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:37,960
OK, so when you get off of.
Here you didn't.

1169
01:05:38,080 --> 01:05:39,720
See anything?
Clearly.

1170
01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:41,680
See.
No, don't listen to him.

1171
01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:44,160
Don't listen to him.
Don't listen to him, Devil.

1172
01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:46,840
Trailer too.
Oh, is there?

1173
01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:48,560
Is there?
I don't know.

1174
01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:50,880
Is there a what trailer
Daredevil?

1175
01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:53,800
I don't think it.
I don't think there's a full

1176
01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:54,720
trailer for it.
There's.

1177
01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:56,840
A teaser in it.
I think, I think there's a

1178
01:05:56,840 --> 01:05:58,920
teaser.
I didn't know, I think.

1179
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:02,320
I think they just, they just,
they just flipped what they had

1180
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:03,920
for they.
Need to trust you now.

1181
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:08,320
Uh oh, Andy, you in the dog
house?

1182
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:10,000
It's.
Me that you didn't miss anything

1183
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:11,480
with the weather trailer.
You know what?

1184
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:13,720
Whatever.
No, no, no, don't stop that.

1185
01:06:13,720 --> 01:06:16,920
Don't even.
Anyway, y'all got anything else

1186
01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:20,560
to say about Agatha all along?
Just in general or about the

1187
01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:23,200
last two episodes?
Because we're not about to

1188
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:25,480
listen to Anthony's.
Classroom right now.

1189
01:06:25,600 --> 01:06:30,040
I'm sorry.
I was like totally all for it.

1190
01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:33,800
I really was.
But it it just, it went kind of

1191
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:38,000
downhill.
It's funny, We we, we reversed.

1192
01:06:39,560 --> 01:06:40,560
I stayed the court.
I.

1193
01:06:40,680 --> 01:06:44,240
Know the reason why the court, I
know the reason why.

1194
01:06:44,800 --> 01:06:52,160
So that's just how I feel.
It was this blah at the end.

1195
01:06:52,840 --> 01:06:57,760
Yeah, OK, real quick shout out
to shout out to Aubrey Plaza for

1196
01:06:57,760 --> 01:07:00,600
having the best witch cackle
ever.

1197
01:07:01,320 --> 01:07:04,040
That she does.
When when she when when they

1198
01:07:04,040 --> 01:07:07,760
were going down on the brooms
like that cackle and the cackle

1199
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:10,480
in episode 8 when she was on top
on the roof.

1200
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:17,520
Herb was looking like the fuck.
Like that shit was crazy shot to

1201
01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:23,080
them revealing that that Wiccan,
that team was Wiccan made the

1202
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:26,920
road by doing it kind of usual
suspect style.

1203
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:30,400
Like just going going through
and seeing stuff and having it

1204
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:33,280
relate to what what he was
seeing and stuff like that.

1205
01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:38,200
Like that was that was crazy.
I mean, if if we wouldn't have

1206
01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:42,120
had certain clues about it, it
probably would have hit a little

1207
01:07:42,120 --> 01:07:44,280
bit better, but it still hit
pretty good for me.

1208
01:07:44,520 --> 01:07:49,080
I think Anthony even called that
the fact that the the witch's

1209
01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:52,600
role, you know, had stuff from
off his walls.

1210
01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:55,400
And I think Michelle said
something about the posters

1211
01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:56,960
being referenced.
So right.

1212
01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:06,840
I was, I don't know how to
approach this.

1213
01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:13,840
Like did Agatha, I keep think,
keep wondering, did she conjure

1214
01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:15,760
her?
Did she conjure Nicholas?

1215
01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:21,920
When?
Because it because she said he,

1216
01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:26,160
she made him from scratch.
Oh, that's OK.

1217
01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:31,160
So yes, that is the question I
had as well because I was like

1218
01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:35,600
So what Immaculate Conception is
that what she did?

1219
01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:41,120
I But if you go by what she said
and yeah, I think.

1220
01:08:41,120 --> 01:08:44,040
It would, I mean it.
We It's been proven that witches

1221
01:08:44,040 --> 01:08:48,600
can get themselves pregnant from
not having sexual intercourse.

1222
01:08:51,279 --> 01:08:52,960
Yeah.
It was proven one division,

1223
01:08:53,319 --> 01:08:55,279
Wanda had twins without having
sex.

1224
01:08:55,680 --> 01:09:00,279
Well, she probably was having
sex with Vision, because

1225
01:09:00,279 --> 01:09:02,200
remember, Vision was turning
himself.

1226
01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:04,240
Into now.
Now we, now we get into the

1227
01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:06,399
Steely Dan conversation.
I'm not trying to hear all that.

1228
01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:08,359
No, that's not where I was going
with this.

1229
01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:12,439
I'm just you brought it up.
You brought it up.

1230
01:09:12,439 --> 01:09:14,359
I wasn't trying to go there.
I was.

1231
01:09:14,359 --> 01:09:17,080
I was just saying because
because I think the way, the way

1232
01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:21,040
that she said that she made him
from scratch and I was just

1233
01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:26,560
like, that kind of made me made
me kind of like think just like

1234
01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:32,479
it's not out of the realm of
possibilities that she found a

1235
01:09:32,479 --> 01:09:38,560
way to to get herself pregnant.
I mean, she even said she

1236
01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:42,640
didn't, she didn't say a spell.
So that would be interesting if

1237
01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:47,000
if that's what she did.
Yeah, it's like, I mean, maybe,

1238
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:50,600
maybe that's maybe that's why,
that's why Rio was trying.

1239
01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:53,439
That's why Death was trying to
get it was trying to get him

1240
01:09:53,439 --> 01:09:57,520
because, because you see how she
reacted while she was trying to

1241
01:09:57,520 --> 01:10:01,400
get Billy, because Billy was
Billy was he wasn't created

1242
01:10:01,440 --> 01:10:04,000
naturally.
And he was throwing off the

1243
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:05,720
natural balance.
And he was, he was an

1244
01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:08,160
abnormality.
So she was like, he's got to go.

1245
01:10:08,480 --> 01:10:10,760
So maybe that this is the same
thing?

1246
01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:14,080
So yeah, it makes sense.
Yeah, it does.

1247
01:10:15,440 --> 01:10:18,560
It makes sense.
So I mean, it could be, I mean,

1248
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:21,920
because I mean, you know, I mean
you can't date somebody whose

1249
01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:24,680
ex's death is like, how do you
compete with that?

1250
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:28,760
It's like if you if in and then
it's like all of a sudden one

1251
01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:31,960
night, one night you come up and
her it's like who you talking to

1252
01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:33,440
my ex?
OK, talk to her all you want to.

1253
01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:34,720
Don't worry about.
Don't worry about me.

1254
01:10:35,160 --> 01:10:37,040
It's like how you gonna get
death mad at you?

1255
01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:39,760
Like that's messed up.
Yeah.

1256
01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:43,440
But yeah, I enjoyed this whole
series.

1257
01:10:43,720 --> 01:10:48,520
I I, I enjoyed pretty much every
episode.

1258
01:10:48,840 --> 01:10:52,120
I I found, I found things, I
found things love about all of

1259
01:10:52,120 --> 01:10:53,720
them.
Some of the episodes, couple of

1260
01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:57,160
episodes kind of dragged for me,
but I really enjoyed this.

1261
01:10:57,640 --> 01:11:03,960
It's I enjoyed it like I enjoy
the Ant man, the Ant man movies.

1262
01:11:04,280 --> 01:11:07,880
They're not like top Thursday.
They're like mid tier.

1263
01:11:07,880 --> 01:11:10,880
This is a mid tier show for me.
OK, but I enjoyed it.

1264
01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:13,400
I I actually I really enjoyed a
lot of it.

1265
01:11:13,400 --> 01:11:17,560
There's some moments the
singing, the singing parts are

1266
01:11:17,560 --> 01:11:19,560
top tier for me.
I think I think they did an

1267
01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:24,240
excellent job at those.
I think that a lot of the the

1268
01:11:24,240 --> 01:11:31,360
last the things that they did
well, the reveals the the music

1269
01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:33,760
in this the music in this series
was top notch.

1270
01:11:33,760 --> 01:11:36,960
I love I love almost everything
musically that they did.

1271
01:11:37,440 --> 01:11:41,320
The you the you should see me in
a crown beat drop is still 1 of

1272
01:11:41,320 --> 01:11:43,560
this.
This still resonates with me.

1273
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:48,240
It's like I'm still like that
shit was genius, like perfect,

1274
01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:52,200
and I like a lot of stuff that
it that it did this.

1275
01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:56,760
It's right there.
It's it's, it's, it's right

1276
01:11:56,760 --> 01:11:59,680
there mid tier for me.
So I I really enjoyed it.

1277
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:03,760
It's, it's something that I that
I do find myself going back just

1278
01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:06,280
to catch stuff like you, but I
really enjoyed it.

1279
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:12,240
So what would its watch ability
rating be for you?

1280
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:17,000
I'd have to think about that.
For.

1281
01:12:17,320 --> 01:12:19,880
Everyone in this.
Group out of 10 it's about a

1282
01:12:20,160 --> 01:12:22,840
about a six and about a 6 1/2 or
7.

1283
01:12:23,440 --> 01:12:25,040
No, it's no, it's no, no, I take
it back.

1284
01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:28,640
It's a solid 7 because there
there's certain episodes I would

1285
01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:30,200
definitely watch again.
There's certain episodes that

1286
01:12:30,200 --> 01:12:35,120
wouldn't like the the the one
where they went into Alice's

1287
01:12:35,120 --> 01:12:36,680
parents house and she broke the
curse.

1288
01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:38,520
I'll actually really like that
episode.

1289
01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:44,360
The the episode where episode 8
I could watch over and over

1290
01:12:44,360 --> 01:12:46,400
again.
I think they'll any episodes 8-9

1291
01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:49,840
I could rewatch a lot.
Episode 1 I could kind of give

1292
01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:54,360
or take like and episode episode
2 I could watch, I could rewatch

1293
01:12:54,360 --> 01:12:56,360
too.
So it's a bit of a good 7/7 and

1294
01:12:56,360 --> 01:13:01,440
1/2 for me.
OK, Anthony, I have to think

1295
01:13:01,440 --> 01:13:06,440
about it because again, I'm
still even even though I have a

1296
01:13:06,440 --> 01:13:09,880
little bit more knowledge about
what the 1st, the earlier

1297
01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:13,000
episodes were and what it was
supposed to do, those are still

1298
01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:16,720
not my favorite.
I think my my favorite episode

1299
01:13:16,760 --> 01:13:21,480
out of the entire show was
probably episode 6, which was

1300
01:13:22,760 --> 01:13:26,040
teen story.
When we find out what's going on

1301
01:13:26,040 --> 01:13:31,680
with him and his reveal, I'd
have to think about it like.

1302
01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:35,720
Well, good feeling, good feeling
that you will sit back and turn

1303
01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:40,200
this back on and rewatch from
episode 1 to the end.

1304
01:13:40,760 --> 01:13:45,040
Probably.
Probably a three.

1305
01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:48,400
OK.
Yeah, probably a three.

1306
01:13:48,720 --> 01:13:57,800
OK so before I answer this
question, I have not watched any

1307
01:13:58,320 --> 01:14:06,000
of the Marvel series again but
I've only watched them once so

1308
01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:11,720
the likelihood of me watching
this again is low like 0.

1309
01:14:11,720 --> 01:14:16,360
Like even my favorite marvel
shows I have not watched again.

1310
01:14:17,560 --> 01:14:20,000
So I would have to say I'm not
going to watch again.

1311
01:14:20,400 --> 01:14:22,920
I I haven't and I have no desire
to watch it.

1312
01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:25,440
Like I was thinking the other
day oh I want to go back and

1313
01:14:25,440 --> 01:14:27,880
watch Falcon The Winter Soldier
at some point.

1314
01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:36,280
It hasn't happened yet, but but
as far as wanting to watch

1315
01:14:36,280 --> 01:14:40,440
again, I I would not want to
watch it again and as far as how

1316
01:14:40,440 --> 01:14:47,560
I feel about this series, I'm
I'm going to put it with echo

1317
01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:53,160
and and state say that I'm
undecided really, because I see

1318
01:14:53,160 --> 01:14:57,440
I saw a lot of potential
expectations were not really

1319
01:14:57,440 --> 01:15:01,440
high, but I was kind of curious
about it to see how it goes.

1320
01:15:01,840 --> 01:15:05,320
Watched it.
It's like, was it terrible that

1321
01:15:05,320 --> 01:15:11,400
it wasn't great either?
The best thing that come out of

1322
01:15:11,400 --> 01:15:15,400
the show was Jen like that.
That is the best thing that come

1323
01:15:15,400 --> 01:15:18,200
out of the show.
And I would love to see her in

1324
01:15:18,200 --> 01:15:20,880
other stuff.
I would love to see her be a

1325
01:15:20,880 --> 01:15:24,840
part of other things in the
MCUI.

1326
01:15:24,840 --> 01:15:27,800
Don't think it's going to happen
because I think the MCU is too

1327
01:15:27,800 --> 01:15:31,920
much of a mess right now for
them to make anything coherent

1328
01:15:32,240 --> 01:15:34,000
of coherent use of her
character.

1329
01:15:35,960 --> 01:15:40,160
If Midnight Suns ever comes to
fruition that would be nice but

1330
01:15:40,600 --> 01:15:44,360
you should shoot horn hurry in
somehow and make it work.

1331
01:15:44,360 --> 01:15:50,120
But you know the series is OK.
Like it's a bounce back from

1332
01:15:50,120 --> 01:15:53,200
secret invasion.
I'll I'll give it that.

1333
01:15:54,120 --> 01:15:55,800
But.
That's not really saying

1334
01:15:55,800 --> 01:15:57,800
anything though.
It's not.

1335
01:15:58,800 --> 01:16:02,480
It Yeah, we'll we'll, we'll,
we'll.

1336
01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:04,840
We'll see.
I'll go, I'll go.

1337
01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:06,760
I'll go along with your about
Echo.

1338
01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:09,400
I can give you that that that is
that I think.

1339
01:16:09,440 --> 01:16:11,400
It's unfair to Echo, I really
do.

1340
01:16:11,400 --> 01:16:17,160
I think like Echo should never
be write it because it's really

1341
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:20,760
unfinished show that was rushed.
That's why I was I have to.

1342
01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:23,720
Feel like that that show
literally 'cause I feel like

1343
01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:27,320
that wasn't good at all like.
But I still I feel it's unfair

1344
01:16:27,320 --> 01:16:31,240
to even say anything about the
show because it didn't, they

1345
01:16:31,240 --> 01:16:33,800
didn't give it the just that it
needed to get.

1346
01:16:34,360 --> 01:16:36,040
So it's like that's off to the
side.

1347
01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:40,840
But everything else and I'm
starting to think of now shows

1348
01:16:40,840 --> 01:16:43,880
of will I watch again?
And you're absolutely right, I

1349
01:16:43,880 --> 01:16:45,560
don't watch any of the series
again.

1350
01:16:45,560 --> 01:16:47,880
They are series that I would
watch again though.

1351
01:16:48,280 --> 01:16:50,640
It's just if I had time or if I
need something in the

1352
01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:53,920
background, I will watch Falcon
in The Winter Soldier and I will

1353
01:16:53,920 --> 01:16:57,920
also watch Moon Knight.
But then those are the only two.

1354
01:16:57,960 --> 01:17:00,800
And yes, I thought what you guys
about Agatha.

1355
01:17:01,320 --> 01:17:05,960
But overall, like I wouldn't
watch the episodes again, but

1356
01:17:05,960 --> 01:17:11,000
seven and I will only watch 7.
If it pertains to him being in

1357
01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:12,640
another movie.
I'm like, oh let me get my

1358
01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:14,520
background again and let me
watch 7.

1359
01:17:16,040 --> 01:17:20,040
See, I was I, I, I kind of put
it where I would watch the.

1360
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:22,360
It's better than secret evasions
though.

1361
01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:24,840
Way better.
I I would watch there.

1362
01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:28,400
There's there's a there, there
are two there.

1363
01:17:28,440 --> 01:17:30,360
There are two YouTube 2 YouTube
channels I watch.

1364
01:17:30,360 --> 01:17:33,240
One is reactionary TV, the
others J2O shout to both of

1365
01:17:33,240 --> 01:17:34,280
them.
They do.

1366
01:17:34,280 --> 01:17:38,520
They do reactions where other
where other other creators react

1367
01:17:38,520 --> 01:17:41,080
to like shows, movies and stuff
like that.

1368
01:17:41,520 --> 01:17:44,440
And it's like, I watch those all
the time and it's like, I'll go

1369
01:17:44,440 --> 01:17:47,720
back and I'll, I'll watch like
their reactions to the Falcon

1370
01:17:47,720 --> 01:17:50,920
and Winter Soldier because it's
cool seeing other nerds react to

1371
01:17:50,920 --> 01:17:54,240
things like especially things
that you've watched before.

1372
01:17:54,680 --> 01:17:59,920
So like I've gone back and
watched like the reactions to

1373
01:17:59,920 --> 01:18:03,440
Agatha a lot.
It's like, if this is if it's

1374
01:18:03,440 --> 01:18:07,000
something that I like, I'll go
back and watch reactions to it

1375
01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:09,760
all the time.
Because their reactions as

1376
01:18:09,760 --> 01:18:14,560
opposed to the whole show, they
actually cut down to the better

1377
01:18:14,560 --> 01:18:17,560
parts of the show, like the
action sequences or the the

1378
01:18:17,560 --> 01:18:20,600
really funny parts or the like
shocking parts.

1379
01:18:20,600 --> 01:18:24,200
It's like they go straight to
those and they show show

1380
01:18:24,200 --> 01:18:29,440
creators reactions to them.
So as far as that goes, I'm, I'm

1381
01:18:29,440 --> 01:18:35,400
still watching reactions to
Agatha because I watch like

1382
01:18:35,400 --> 01:18:39,080
episode 4 when they were in
Alice's mom's house and they

1383
01:18:39,080 --> 01:18:42,280
were doing that like, 'cause
I'll go straight to the part

1384
01:18:42,280 --> 01:18:45,440
where they're singing her
version of the witches Rd. which

1385
01:18:45,440 --> 01:18:48,000
I love that song.
I, I love that version.

1386
01:18:48,760 --> 01:18:52,160
So I mean, that's, that's how I
would, that's how usually I rate

1387
01:18:52,160 --> 01:18:54,240
things.
Like if I would, I go watch a

1388
01:18:54,240 --> 01:18:57,800
reaction and just like catch
certain parts that I really

1389
01:18:57,800 --> 01:19:00,000
liked.
And there are tons of parts in

1390
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:01,480
there that would catch like
that.

1391
01:19:02,560 --> 01:19:07,600
So, so one, one of the issues I
have with this show is it seemed

1392
01:19:07,600 --> 01:19:11,160
like it was a lot of window
dressing, like there was a lot

1393
01:19:11,160 --> 01:19:14,600
of surface level things that
were really pretty.

1394
01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:18,280
You know, the sets were great,
the costumes were great, the

1395
01:19:18,280 --> 01:19:22,080
sound was great, the music was
great, the effects were OK.

1396
01:19:22,960 --> 01:19:27,880
It was just a lot of that, a lot
of fluff, a lot of pageantry and

1397
01:19:27,880 --> 01:19:33,120
not a lot of substance to me.
Like it became a scavenger hunt.

1398
01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:36,880
Can we figure these things out
and put the pieces together?

1399
01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:40,920
It it just, that's what it felt
like.

1400
01:19:40,920 --> 01:19:44,280
It feel very airy.
And I don't want to say

1401
01:19:44,280 --> 01:19:47,160
incomplete because I don't feel
it.

1402
01:19:47,560 --> 01:19:49,400
I don't think it felt
incomplete.

1403
01:19:50,440 --> 01:19:53,600
Like Echo fell short in a lot of
ways.

1404
01:19:54,080 --> 01:19:56,600
And you're right, they, they did
Echo dirty.

1405
01:19:57,000 --> 01:20:00,240
They really did.
And that's and that's why I put

1406
01:20:00,480 --> 01:20:03,320
put Agatha in the same category
where Echo is like.

1407
01:20:03,680 --> 01:20:09,520
It's very hard to kind of judge
it now because the, the, the,

1408
01:20:11,720 --> 01:20:15,480
the step is there.
Like it's right there what

1409
01:20:15,680 --> 01:20:17,720
something is feel.
I feel like it's something

1410
01:20:17,720 --> 01:20:22,040
missing but It's Special's first
4 episodes seem like a skeleton

1411
01:20:22,440 --> 01:20:26,160
and I feel like I needed more
from the show other than a lot

1412
01:20:26,160 --> 01:20:28,600
of the the window dressing and
prettiness.

1413
01:20:28,600 --> 01:20:30,720
We can't go back.
So but that, but that's but

1414
01:20:30,720 --> 01:20:32,760
that's all I wanted.
That's all I wanted to say about

1415
01:20:32,760 --> 01:20:33,760
it.
OK, so even.

1416
01:20:34,040 --> 01:20:38,680
Though I complained about the
last episodes, doesn't take the

1417
01:20:38,680 --> 01:20:41,640
fact that it was actually even
Hanko going back.

1418
01:20:42,760 --> 01:20:44,800
Well, how?
To you know how to go going back

1419
01:20:44,800 --> 01:20:48,200
and start to realize just like
the the ties that it has from

1420
01:20:48,200 --> 01:20:50,240
the beginning.
I think it is a complete story.

1421
01:20:50,240 --> 01:20:53,320
I personally didn't care how
they may act, I'm.

1422
01:20:53,320 --> 01:20:56,360
Not going to say, OK, I'm not
going to say it was a complete

1423
01:20:56,360 --> 01:20:59,680
story because I I do.
Oh I'm sorry if I misheard you.

1424
01:20:59,680 --> 01:21:02,400
I didn't mean to say not
complete but that it was missing

1425
01:21:02,400 --> 01:21:03,720
something.
You said it was missing

1426
01:21:03,720 --> 01:21:06,280
something, that's what I meant.
I don't feel like it was missing

1427
01:21:06,280 --> 01:21:08,200
anything, I just didn't like how
they did the act of the

1428
01:21:08,200 --> 01:21:10,520
character.
I didn't say you said it was

1429
01:21:10,760 --> 01:21:12,520
wasn't Mischanted.
I don't see her.

1430
01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:15,520
Let's not argue.
Let's let's not do this.

1431
01:21:15,560 --> 01:21:18,320
Again, I feel like it wasn't
missing anything.

1432
01:21:18,320 --> 01:21:20,640
That's what I'm saying.
We got to tell you how.

1433
01:21:20,880 --> 01:21:23,120
I felt.
Yeah, yeah.

1434
01:21:23,160 --> 01:21:24,120
I I wasn't.
Missing anything?

1435
01:21:24,120 --> 01:21:26,600
Yes, it was it.
Was I, I?

1436
01:21:26,840 --> 01:21:30,560
I agree with Anthony.
I do still think that there was

1437
01:21:31,120 --> 01:21:36,800
some things missing.
I think overall for me it

1438
01:21:36,800 --> 01:21:41,000
didn't.
Agatha was the main character

1439
01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:44,600
but I feel like it really wasn't
her show.

1440
01:21:45,640 --> 01:21:51,560
I think a lot of it was building
up who Teen was.

1441
01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:56,040
Like aside from Agatha's back
story, which we don't really get

1442
01:21:56,040 --> 01:22:02,480
until the very last episode,
it's more about identifying who

1443
01:22:02,480 --> 01:22:07,760
team is, how he got to where he
is, and him discovering the

1444
01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:11,000
extent of his powers in creating
the witch's role.

1445
01:22:11,280 --> 01:22:15,840
I feel like it was more a a show
that was supposed to transition

1446
01:22:16,160 --> 01:22:21,040
his character into something
else and not necessarily

1447
01:22:21,680 --> 01:22:28,840
Agatha's character.
I mean, the last episode, we do

1448
01:22:28,840 --> 01:22:33,880
kind of see more of that
cohesion that I feel like is

1449
01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:38,760
missing in the earlier episodes
because you get her resolution

1450
01:22:38,760 --> 01:22:42,680
with death.
You get her, you know, dying her

1451
01:22:42,680 --> 01:22:44,880
making the sacrifice, her
becoming a ghost.

1452
01:22:44,880 --> 01:22:49,360
And now she's about to embark on
helping Billy find his brother

1453
01:22:49,360 --> 01:22:53,320
again.
This is more teen story then it

1454
01:22:53,320 --> 01:22:57,680
was Agatha's story and you know,
I I don't have a problem with it

1455
01:22:57,680 --> 01:23:00,760
because like I said, I was
actually more interested in

1456
01:23:00,760 --> 01:23:03,400
teen's character from the
beginning that I was in Agatha.

1457
01:23:03,400 --> 01:23:07,280
Like I wanted to know is this
Billy Maximoff and if so, how

1458
01:23:07,280 --> 01:23:09,160
did he get in his body and where
is his brother?

1459
01:23:09,160 --> 01:23:13,080
Those were questions that I had
after One Division after

1460
01:23:13,400 --> 01:23:17,480
Multiverse of Madness.
You know, the whole the whole

1461
01:23:17,480 --> 01:23:22,040
story arc with Wanda basically
losing her mind trying to get

1462
01:23:22,040 --> 01:23:25,160
her children back.
That is something that I think

1463
01:23:25,160 --> 01:23:28,600
resonated with all of us with
Wanda Vision, with Multiverse

1464
01:23:28,600 --> 01:23:31,080
and madness.
And then this whole thing about

1465
01:23:31,080 --> 01:23:33,040
is she dead?
Is she not dead witch?

1466
01:23:33,400 --> 01:23:37,280
Apparently, Kevin Feige has
hinted that Scarlet Witch may

1467
01:23:37,280 --> 01:23:43,720
not be done in the MCU.
So all of that to say, I feel

1468
01:23:43,720 --> 01:23:47,960
like it was more his story.
I didn't have a problem with

1469
01:23:47,960 --> 01:23:52,120
that.
Agatha didn't really get

1470
01:23:52,200 --> 01:23:54,920
interesting to me towards until
towards the end.

1471
01:23:54,920 --> 01:23:59,120
And even with that, it's still
kind of like hit or miss with

1472
01:23:59,120 --> 01:24:03,680
me.
I'm not going to say it was as

1473
01:24:03,680 --> 01:24:10,560
bad as Secret Invasion, but it's
also not one of my top shows

1474
01:24:11,000 --> 01:24:13,880
like Anthony.
I probably, I, I may go back and

1475
01:24:13,880 --> 01:24:18,440
just rewatch, finish rewatching
episodes four and five just to

1476
01:24:20,120 --> 01:24:24,160
just to revisit those episodes.
But then I probably will never

1477
01:24:24,560 --> 01:24:27,200
need to watch this show again.
Yeah.

1478
01:24:27,400 --> 01:24:31,800
So, yeah.
But I mean, I, I think at this

1479
01:24:31,800 --> 01:24:37,280
point, we probably it, it's
probably time for us to have

1480
01:24:37,280 --> 01:24:41,040
another one of our shows where
we talk about all of the Marvel

1481
01:24:41,040 --> 01:24:43,640
products that's that's been
released in this phase and kind

1482
01:24:43,640 --> 01:24:46,400
of rank them 'cause I think it's
been like maybe two or three

1483
01:24:46,400 --> 01:24:51,960
years since we've done that.
So I, I think, I think it's

1484
01:24:51,960 --> 01:24:54,800
probably time for us to do that.
But yeah, it's just.

1485
01:24:54,800 --> 01:25:01,080
Starting from when?
Probably Phase 5, Yeah.

1486
01:25:01,920 --> 01:25:04,960
But I mean, that's something
like I said, that's something I

1487
01:25:04,960 --> 01:25:08,240
literally just thought about
now, especially because, you

1488
01:25:08,240 --> 01:25:12,760
know, in trying to figure out
where we want to place Agatha,

1489
01:25:12,760 --> 01:25:16,680
Like Anthony has brought up Echo
and I know we still haven't

1490
01:25:16,680 --> 01:25:20,800
gotten around to talking about
She Hulk and Miss Marvel.

1491
01:25:20,800 --> 01:25:23,200
And I know at some point Mike
still wants to do that.

1492
01:25:23,200 --> 01:25:26,880
We may still need to do that.
I will say Miss Marvel is one of

1493
01:25:26,880 --> 01:25:31,280
those shows I wouldn't mind
going back re watching She Hulk

1494
01:25:31,760 --> 01:25:35,280
watch that It's kind of maybe I
don't know I I still.

1495
01:25:36,280 --> 01:25:42,560
Watch you hope Anthony shut up.
So yeah, so so, but yeah, Agatha

1496
01:25:42,560 --> 01:25:45,920
is probably one of those.
I would say it's probably mid to

1497
01:25:45,920 --> 01:25:49,360
low tier for me.
I'm not going to say it's all

1498
01:25:49,360 --> 01:25:52,080
the way at the bottom with
seeking Secret Invasion for me,

1499
01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:53,800
but.
I mean, we we all know what.

1500
01:25:53,840 --> 01:25:59,000
Everything compared to
everything else we've seen, it's

1501
01:25:59,000 --> 01:26:01,720
probably somewhere close to
that.

1502
01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:04,480
Yeah.
So but we, we, I mean, we can

1503
01:26:04,480 --> 01:26:06,680
just, we can basically when,
when we do this, we can

1504
01:26:06,680 --> 01:26:10,680
basically skip the first first
entry and just go to whatever is

1505
01:26:10,680 --> 01:26:13,680
next to last because we all know
what we're going to have at the

1506
01:26:13,680 --> 01:26:15,760
bottom, so.
Yeah, but I mean.

1507
01:26:17,240 --> 01:26:21,120
You'd never know.
No, I think we're all in

1508
01:26:21,120 --> 01:26:24,280
agreeance on that one.
I don't know but.

1509
01:26:24,560 --> 01:26:26,440
I think we're all in agreement
for.

1510
01:26:26,840 --> 01:26:29,760
That awesome now?
You know what?

1511
01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:32,440
See you are you, are you going
to get electrocuted?

1512
01:26:32,880 --> 01:26:37,120
Hey, calm.
Down and on that false notes

1513
01:26:37,560 --> 01:26:41,080
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