Captain America: Brave New World - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #337

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What's up, hybrids?
Welcome back to another episode

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of the Phantom Hybrid podcast.
This is Hanukkah and I am here

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with Anthony, Mike and Casey.
So, you know, we got to be

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talking about some Marvel stuff,
lest this.

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Or Fast and Furious.
Captain America, Brave New World

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and I'm pretty sure from some of
the comments I have seen on

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folks's social media that
there's some switches to this

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movie.
So let's get into it.

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What were your first thoughts
and then we'll go with you

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first.
You can start with.

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Me, you really want to start
with it, OK.

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You want to start from the
bottom and go up.

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Let's just, yeah, let's just get
the bad out of the way 'cause I,

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I, I got a feeling from his post
that you didn't really care for

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it too much.
I mean, it's hard to say.

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I didn't care for it.
I was sort of like lukewarm, you

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know, like, man, maybe OK.
Because the reason why it's hard

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is Anthony Mackie gave like a
really great performance.

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He did.
He was really he.

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Was.
Amazing.

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Really good.
He was really good.

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Harrison Ford wasn't doing it
just for the paycheck.

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He was really, really good.
Yeah.

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Like I was sold on Thunderbolt,
Ross.

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Yeah.
And then it kind of stops there.

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Oh oh.
Yeah, they didn't have a lot to

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really work with and I just felt
like it was a movie that was

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doing too much.
It was like 4 half baked movie

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ideas kind of thrown together.
And you said something

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brilliantly.
We were talking offline about it

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being we'd just say it was a
sequel to it was it felt.

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Like it was a sequel to The
Inherit of a Hulk instead of a

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Captain America story?
Yeah.

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Yeah.
And then it also felt like a

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continuation of the Falcon and
Winter Soldier.

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And you can kind of tell where
the reshoots were there.

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You can kind of tell storylines.
They started.

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They kind of, I feel like
Giancarlo Esposito was just kind

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of thrown in it.
It's obvious he was thrown in at

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the last minute.
Don't even know why.

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It's not even necessary, right?
There was there was so many

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half.
This is like the third time that

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we've seen a Marvel movie or
Marvel property where they they

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have all these starter good
ideas and they just kind of like

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woof on it.
And that's and that's what it

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felt like.
Like there was a there was I

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can't even say there was a movie
in there.

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Like maybe I could have stitched
a really good movie together.

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Not I really couldn't.
There wasn't.

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You could have take, you
literally could have taken him

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out, put in some other random
Marvel character and made it.

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Yeah, it made it a Red Hook
movie.

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Like, you don't think Bruce is
interested in what's happening

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right now.
She Hulk, she not interested in

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what's happening with the Red
Hulk.

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Like, come on, guys, come on.
That That's that's all I'm going

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to say.
Like, I wanted it, You know, I

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avoided the spoilers.
I avoided watching the trailers.

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I wanted to go in clean, I
wanted to go in know the

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expectations and I just felt
like I was kind of let down.

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Like I I have to go back and
rewatch FACT and when it sold,

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it sold it to kind of cleanse my
palate.

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OK, Yeah, OK.
I got it.

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All right.
Mike, what about you?

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OK, so here's the thing.
No, I got to be honest, I don't

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know how I feel about this
movie.

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And it's not because I've heard
a lot of everyone else's

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opinions on it, because if I if
that was the case, that would

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feel one way or the other.
But I've heard a lot of people's

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reviews of it.
I've read stuff about it that

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don't agree with.
And I, I gotta be honest, I

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don't necessarily know how I
feel about this movie.

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I mean, I know how I feel about
Anthony Mackie.

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He's still one of my favorite
actors in the MCUI know he did a

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good job.
I know that Harrison Ford took

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on a daunting task and actually
killed it.

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Like, this is probably one of
his better acting jobs that he's

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done in the last few years.
Yeah, when you look at his, he

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he did really good, and I was
impressed.

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I'm glad that Carl Lumbley got
in it and acted his ass off

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again.
Maybe this time he'll actually

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get nominated for it.
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I mean, Carl, Carl Lumley broke
my heart, dude.

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I mean, he that's one of the
main things I took away from

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this was that Carl Lumley is a
great fucking guy, is an

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incredible actor.
Like he was so good in this.

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And I was just like, but other
than that, Joaquin was good, but

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he wasn't in it enough for me to
be like get a good impression of

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it of him again.
John Carl, Lebzio, Giancarlo was

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thrown into it and I feel bad
because the character he's

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played was to be played by Seth
Rollins, who's a wrestler in

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WWE.
Like this was his role and they

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had already filmed a lot of the
stuff, but they cut it and got

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Giancarlo Esposito.
I guess they didn't like what he

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did so so that.
Was gonna say why, OK.

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Yeah, I guess they did.
It was like him and someone else

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that there's another character
that Seth Rollins was

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interacting with as Sidewinder.
But it did.

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I guess whatever happened,
either they saw it and it

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didn't, they didn't like it, or
when they tested it, it didn't

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work well, 'cause I was like,
who the fuck is that?

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Why?
Or whatever, whatever, whatever

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the case they could.
I do remember hearing that the

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first time they test screened
it, there weren't the audience

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wasn't favorable towards it.
Yeah.

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So I know, I know they went in
and did some research and and

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changed some things after that,
so.

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And The thing is, it's like, I
really didn't like Giancarlo

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Esposito with this.
I don't understand why he was in

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it.
And it's like, I just don't get

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it.
And it I'm, I, I, I know we need

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an antagonist, but that's what
the leader is for.

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And the leader himself, I did.
I don't know what to think is

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like, I understand.
You see what I'm saying is like.

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We'll talk, we'll talk about
that because I got, I got some

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thoughts about that whole thing
too.

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OK, it's like, because I've I
know who leader is because I've

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read Hulk comics, I know what
he's supposed to look like.

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He's not supposed to look like
he has a tumor.

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He's supposed to have a big
smooth head.

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It is his.
I mean, and that kept

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distracting me from the fact
that template Nelson probably

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did a he did a good job acting
the part.

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Like I was like, I was cool with
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I was like, from what he did,
the way he set it up, and now

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that I'm like, OK, I'm cool with
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OK.
I just kept getting distracted

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by the fact that he looked, he
looked like he had he had active

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brain cancer coming out of his
head.

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So it's like I just, but again,
other than that, I just don't

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know how I feel about this movie
is I don't feel strongly for it.

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I don't feel strongly against
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The parts I liked I really
liked, but the whole movie as a

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whole, I'm just like.
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It's weird.
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Casey, what you got?
I liked it OK, and having seen

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The Incredible Hulk, I didn't
feel like it was like an

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Incredible Hulk sequel.
I did feel like they wrapped up

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a lot of stuff from that movie,
but I didn't feel like it was

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like he said, a sequel or, you
know, yes, it had a lot of the

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same people, but I still enjoyed
it.

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I did like Anthony May.
Well, I like the whole thing.

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I think everybody did do a
really good job.

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I really like the fighting
sequences.

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I think overall, I mean, I would
watch it again.

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So it's a if it if I wouldn't
watch it again.

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It wasn't a good movie, but I
would actually watch that one

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again.
Like, I like some of the little

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jokes and I like, I mean, I like
Anthony Mackie anyway.

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But for me, as not having read
the comics and not following

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anything other than the Marvel
movies themselves, it did it for

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me.
I liked it.

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Yes, yes.
You still have that where you

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miss Steve Rogers.
And yeah.

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And like he kept saying I ain't
Steve.

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And so in that knowing he's not
Steve, knowing he's not a super

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soldier, knowing he's just a
regular old guy and his ass

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fucked up like it was, I enjoyed
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OK.
You know, for me not having all

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the background like you got,
like I didn't see who was

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supposed to be playing what or
who, you know, I don't get that

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deep into it.
OK, question, did you watch The

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Falcon and The Winter Soldier?
I did OK, I did.

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But to like and not knowing who
all these other people were

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supposed to be it it worked for
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OK.
Even with him, a Sidewinder, I

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understood why he was there as
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the chess board for the main
guy.

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But I didn't dislike what he
did.

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I mean, I like him anyway, you
know, no matter what.

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So.
But it for me it wasn't like,

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oh, why is he here?
You know, like y'all are, but

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again, that's with me not going
deep into who should have played

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this role and who did that.
And you know, I don't look at

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none of that.
I just go see the movie and take

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it for what it is.
And of course, I have no comic

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book knowledge of anything.
So I only know based on what I'm

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viewing and and based on that I
I liked it.

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I plan on going to see it again,
but I I liked it.

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I like the story, I like the
action, I like everything about

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it.
OK.

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That's fair.
OK, so for me, I loved the movie

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I did, but I also had some
issues with some of the parts of

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the movie.
Kind of echoing what everyone

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else said, Anthony Mackie, just
amazing him as Sam being Captain

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America.
I think we see a continuation of

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the growth of of what his
character went through in Falcon

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and The Winter Soldier.
And you kind of see him as a

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more mature, more confident
Captain America.

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But you do still see a little
bit of the doubt, especially

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when all of the stuff like
really starts going wrong,

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especially when Joaquin gets
hurt.

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You, you still get to see a
little bit of that humanizing

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element of Sam that I think
makes him a great Captain

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America.
I think he played it very well.

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I liked the banter between him
and Joaquin and this one, I

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think a little bit better than I
did in The Falcon and The Winter

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Soldier because I went back and
watched the show before the

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movie came out and something
about their banter was bothering

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me.
And I think it was just because

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one, Joaquin was very new like
him, him and Sam had Sam had

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just met each other.
And when he was trying to give

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Sam like help and give him some
Intel, I noticed Sam was cutting

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him off a lot.
And that was bothering me

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because that's that that kind of
doesn't vibe with Sam's

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character.
But I think it was just part of

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that whole, I don't know, maybe
he just wasn't used to having a

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quote UN quote sidekick or
someone there to assist him.

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And now you see that they're a
little bit more familiar with

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each other.
They work with each other

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better.
They have a lot of the same kind

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of banter with each other.
And I love seeing that.

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I also love Joaquin's character
because to me, he is Sam.

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The way Sam was with Cat, You
know, Steve Rogers was always

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the serious one.
And, you know, Sam was the one

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who had the jokes.
He was the one that had the

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mouth.
He was the one that kept the

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humor going.
And with Joaquin's character,

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he's very much a kid in the
candy store.

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Like everything is new,
everything is shiny.

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He's so excited.
And I love that because Sam in

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in his version of Captain
America can get a little bit

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serious as well.
And I think Joaquin kind of

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balances that out.
So I love those two together.

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Harrison Ford, I think I saw an
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was so happy to step into the
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He was like, I've been wanting
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and it was so refreshing for me
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from Hollywood's quote UN quote
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You know, they all say that it's
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the pan is taking away from real
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So for someone like Harrison
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wanted to be in this.
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really make the roll of
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he had to take over that role
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So that's already daunting in
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playing a recast character.
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Ross that we needed for this
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I don't know if I could have
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Hurts Thunderbolt, especially
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well, OK, let me clarify.
I quote UN quote went back to go

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watch the Incredible Hulk after
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just to realize that I had never
fully watched the Incredible

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Hulk when I thought I watched it
when it first came out.

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So having to rewatch this, this
character and the stuff that he

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did and everything, I was like,
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character because he was such an
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So the acting performances were
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The issues that I had, as I
mentioned, it felt more like an

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Incredible Hulk sequel than a
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everything that Sam was dealing
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Ross and all of his drama and
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of the Incredible Hulk.
The villain was because of him,

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all of the conflicts that was
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And I don't know, it was just
it's weird to see his story take

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a backseat in a movie that's
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And then on top of that, you're
dealing with all the Incredible

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Hulk stuff.
And Casey, like you said, it

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wrapped up a lot of stuff for
for those characters in that

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story.
But why did that have to be done

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in this particular movie?
That I don't understand the

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whole thing with quote UN quote,
Celestial Island, AKA TMX.

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They're just finally addressing
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And you know, it's been several
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with the Eternals and all this
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You're, you're just now
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Like how many, how many movies
has come out since the Eternals?

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How many Marvel shows have come
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this was addressed?
Like we saw a small snippet

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about it in I think it was She
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Was on.
It was on the front of someone's

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newspaper.
Yeah, that's I think it was She

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Hulk.
So again, going back to what

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Mike said, if you're going to
reference is in She Hulk or

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maybe Anthony, I think it was
you, why not have She Hulk in

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this?
If I mean, if you go at all

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Incredible Hulk with the Red
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all the stuff and you're
bringing in Betsy Ross in the

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camp, like why not just go all
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I thought they were going to
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to have marker flow in there or,
or Edward Norton.

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Somehow I, I just knew it.
I just knew if you were going to

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make some kind of cameo.
So I don't know, it was just

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trying to get on board with this
story and and making it cap

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story.
It just I don't know, it just

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felt like he was a guest star in
his own movie, which is weird

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because he did have a you know,
it's not like he was just

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relegated to the side.
But I feel like most of the

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story that was being told didn't
even have anything to do with

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him.
Like he just happened to inherit

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all of this because he is the
new Captain America.

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But like, like you said, they
could have it, it could have

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been the Hulk in this movie.
They could have thrown, they

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could have brought the Eternals
back for this.

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And I think it it kind of still
would have had the same impact.

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I just feel like I expected a
little bit more.

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OK, I, I have, I've been writing
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I have, I have notes for the
first time in a long time.

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I'm going to go, I'm going to go
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All right, So they did have a
missed opportunity.

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There was a movie there.
And I'm going to relate these

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two things.
So the first thing is I

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understood what was going on
with Yakim because if you

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remember, he lost his partner.
They were flying those suits

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together, OK.
Yep, you're right, You're right.

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So that is a he, he understands.
I'm going to say that's a that's

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a pain spot for him.
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To to get someone, get to have
someone get close to him like

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that who's doing the same thing.
We know how soldiers are.

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This is a friend that he lost,
and here's his kid who is doing

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the same thing and he's about to
lose him too.

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He doesn't want to lose him.
That's why he doesn't put him in

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danger.
That was a missed opportunity

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because he didn't go back to
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They didn't refresh us on that.
They didn't tell us that there

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was a lot of introspection he
could have.

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Talked about forgot until you
just mentioned it.

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Right.
He could have talked about that

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and I and what three of these
are related.

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The other thing I was going to
say the Serpent society.

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So Casey was saying, well, you
know, I understood.

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So I wind up I understood why he
was there and I'm not going to

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say it didn't make sense.
It just didn't really fit to me

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because I think, if I had to
guess, which is related to my

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third thing, they don't, I
didn't think they really trusted

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Anthony Mackie to carry this
movie on his own.

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Like I didn't think they thought
they could make a Captain

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America movie with just him
because it feels like maybe they

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were going to do a Serpent
society thing because wasn't the

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original title Captain America
the Serpent Society?

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One of them was, yeah.
Yeah, that that was that was

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going to be the thing.
And I think they were like,

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well, you know, Anthony Mackie,
Black, Captain America, I don't

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know, people going to be able to
watch that.

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We're going to have to do
something else.

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We have to do something
different.

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They just didn't trust them,
especially with the way the MCU

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movies has been going.
I just don't think they trusted

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to do him and the Serpent
Society movie which is why they

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went all out with with the Red
Hawk.

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I don't think, I don't, I don't
know.

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I don't think it's necessarily
that they didn't trust.

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Him.
They didn't trust him.

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But.
I don't trust they didn't trust

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the idea of a Captain America
movie in the SERP society and

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the way the political things is
going now, they're like, we're

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not going to be, Especially when
you look at what's been

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happening with the MCU movies
and all this DEI talk and all

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this woke talk.
They they're like, you know

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what?
This is like, you know what,

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let's let's kind of back away
from this.

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Let's take a moment.
Let's let's rewrite this whole

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thing and not put it all on him
being the center of the movie.

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And that's sort of what it feels
like.

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They're like it it was safe to
go with what work with Falcon

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and Winter Soldier, give him a
little bit of character

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development.
And then let's throw the Leader.

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Let's throw in Betsy, let's
throw in Thunderbolt Ross.

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And we got the Red Hulk and we
got the theme from the Eternals

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that everybody hates.
Let's put it out in this movie.

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And you know, he won't have to
be by himself like he won't have

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to be the reason the movie
fails.

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You understand what I'm saying.
But clearly if you watch the

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movie, he could have done it.
It could have been about him

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versus and I can also understand
why they wouldn't want to do it

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because it would be too much
like Falcon when a soldier

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because there you had what were
they called?

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The Flag Smashers.
Flag Smashers.

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The Flag Smashers, if you do the
Serpent Society, the people like

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it's, you're doing the Flag
Smashers again, just calling the

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Serpent society.
And see, that's the thing that

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was kind of bothering me because
I feel like if you were going to

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do a Captain America movie and
give him his own story, let's

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let's take Thunderbolt Ross and
all this other stuff out of it.

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Red Hulk or whatever.
I feel like they could have

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continued on with the Flag
Smashers because the way that

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that story was being told, they
could have dealt with the

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repercussions of it.
And I think if they had written

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the story right, it would have
it would have done well because.

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It had elements that you could
have pulled from the show, yeah.

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And not only that you got, you
got the whole power broker thing

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with.
Power Broker.

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You have, I mean, there's, there
was a lot.

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You could have brought back
helmet, You could have brought

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back Baron Zemo.
You could have brought back

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Zemo.
You had, you had stuff to.

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Went to the raft to go see
Thunderbolt Ross at the end.

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You didn't go say hey to Zemo,
He's at the raft.

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You could have brought back John
Walker.

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You want to tie it into the
Thunderbolts?

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They could.
You could have had them trying

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to him trying to work together,
you could have had him

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struggling with whether or not
he wanted to take the serum.

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I don't I don't need to see John
Walker in it like they already.

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But I'm saying I, I, they had,
they had so many things, they

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had an opportunity to pull so
many things.

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And then, you know, you had the
flag Smashers and you still

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could have thrown in the Serpent
society.

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And they have a lot of really
good characters in the Serpent

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Society.
And it it it would have been, I

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mean, it probably would have
been an action oriented movie.

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We probably would have problems
with it.

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But I would have think I would
have wanted to see that more.

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Like I would have rather have
seen more of that.

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And if I'm going to see the Red
Hulk and Betsy Ross and the

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Leader, then I wouldn't see
Edward Norton as a Hulk, you

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know, because here now you had a
continuity problem.

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This was never know what I have
over here where Bruce ain't

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never really mentioned any of
these people.

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Any.
There was never any reference to

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anything, right, You know, and,
and we're.

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Supposed to think that.
He he told Sam he wants him to

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bring back The Avengers.
The Hulk is part of The

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Avengers.
Right.

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And, and I'm looking, I'm
looking at it and I'm thinking

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if he Bruce, I mean, it's just,
it boggles my mind because Bruce

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has never referenced or said or
we've never got any, anything

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having to do with that previous
movie.

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And if we did, was very, very
small.

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Yeah, I was going to say they
mentioned it and something I

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remember because I think we were
all right.

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Oh.
Yeah, it was very, it was a very

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small reference.
I've.

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Been a She Hulk, but if all of
this was very important to that

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character's development, I have
it.

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It just doesn't feel like it
fits with the Bruce that we've

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had in the in that we really
know in the NCU, not that Gordon

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1.
Does that make sense?

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I think I think it really like
if you're.

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Going to you might as well have
bought Sam, Sam, what's his name

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back to be Thunderbolt Ross and
we could have Erie banner.

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You know, we we could have done
anything the way this was going.

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But I think the fact that you're
tying this Thunderbolt, Ross,

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and like, of course, you
mentioned all the stuff that

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happened with Betsy, with Betty
and everything that happened

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with the Hulk, and This is why
his daughter's not talking to

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him and stuff.
It's like, I don't know, I feel

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like that should have had more
and more of an impact on his

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character development.
Because here's the thing, after

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going back and watching The
Incredible Hulk and sing

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everything that happens, seeing
everything that went down and

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you think about this character,
he let Bruce Banner get away.

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He let he let Abomination become
Abomination.

447
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:16,560
I can't think.
I don't know why I can't think

448
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,960
of his name right now.
Yes, Blotsky.

449
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,640
He lets him become the
Abomination.

450
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:26,680
OK, then he has Stearns that
he's been keeping captive ever

451
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:28,640
since that time because of all
this stuff.

452
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:34,840
Then you come into the present
MCU version of Thunderbolt Ross.

453
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:40,040
He's the one that that gave out
the Sokovia chords and split The

454
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:43,640
Avengers.
He's the one who didn't capture

455
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,760
Black Widow.
I mean, he's had all of these

456
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:51,160
failures as a general.
How the fuck do you get elected

457
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:52,360
president?
But.

458
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:54,880
Because you, because you're
going after.

459
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:59,280
I was gonna say, thinking about
our own political climate is not

460
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,560
really that hard to answer that
question, but.

461
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,600
He he was going after the guy
that was president in Secret

462
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,440
Invasion, so shit, I could have
been president after him.

463
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,560
Yeah, OK.
Yeah, OK.

464
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,040
Yeah.
Oh, and and also Remember,

465
00:27:16,120 --> 00:27:19,080
Remember the leader, Doctor
Stearns said.

466
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,680
He was the one that kind of
engineered helping him become

467
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,080
president.
Yeah, OK, that I did.

468
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,720
And this is the this is the
other thing I was going to say

469
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:32,280
in in relation to Stearns, given
what they did with his

470
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:37,160
character, because his character
was in The Incredible Hulk for

471
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,800
only a brief time.
Like he was really there kind of

472
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:45,080
communicating off the scene.
And then once he once we

473
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,960
actually see his face and that
are introduced to who he is,

474
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,400
he's really only in a few scenes
before he just disappears.

475
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:55,120
Like we never find out at, you
know, at the end of the

476
00:27:55,120 --> 00:27:57,520
incredible Hulk, what happened
to his character.

477
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:01,400
And now, of course, here it is
all these years later, he's

478
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,320
coming up as the big bad in this
movie.

479
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:07,920
So I kind of sort of feel like
maybe something similar what

480
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:13,360
happened with Sidewinders
character, because again, you

481
00:28:13,360 --> 00:28:17,720
take you have this person come
in, he's the big bad only except

482
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,440
he's not the big bad.
He's working for the big bad.

483
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:24,040
He gives you some pertinent
inter information and then you

484
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,680
just kind of walk off and leave
him there.

485
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,080
I feel like he's probably going
to be more important.

486
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:35,720
Maybe an Avenger, Secret Wars or
whatever, whichever movie comes

487
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:42,000
after this one.
So I, I don't know, because I, I

488
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,400
kind of felt the same way.
I was like, OK, Giancarlo

489
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,280
Esposito is in this.
And then once he's in, I'm like,

490
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,520
that's it.
But.

491
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:56,240
But it's like.
This because I hear y'all saying

492
00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:00,440
like they should have did more
they should have did like what?

493
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,320
I guess my thought is like what
is your expectation?

494
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:11,320
Because he he you know he tried
to steal the the adamantium and

495
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:15,320
they got it back and then he got
caught and then Anthony Mackie

496
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,200
went to talk to him at the
little place and then after that

497
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:22,480
he went to jail.
So I'm like like because y'all

498
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,360
like they didn't do there.
Was a fight in between there?

499
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:24,960
Too.
It's not.

500
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:26,960
Yeah, I think.
What I'm saying what?

501
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,320
What?
What else was he supposed to do?

502
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,360
I think it's not necessarily
that we were expecting the

503
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:36,840
character to do more is it's
just the is Gian Carlo Esposito,

504
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:40,320
You don't have him in there for
like 5 minutes and then just be

505
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,800
done.
But they did and and that's not.

506
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,160
That can't be just it.
Well, well, you.

507
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,000
Get what you're saying?
You, you are, you are actually

508
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:50,840
Casey.
You are exactly right.

509
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:52,200
You're exactly right.
What?

510
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,400
What did we expect?
Because they did.

511
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,240
Yeah, he only filmed for like 3
days or something.

512
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,760
Yeah, they, they literally
brought him in at last minute to

513
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,440
plug him in to, to plug him into
movies for marketing.

514
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:07,040
So our expectations really
shouldn't have been that high

515
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:10,440
for that.
And I guess The thing is you,

516
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:14,520
you, they build something up
which is, is is really our

517
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:16,560
fault.
They build something up to make

518
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:18,440
it look more than what it really
is.

519
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:23,800
Because you literally could have
had anybody play that character

520
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,400
and done the same exact thing
and.

521
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,200
Would be they do want somebody
that we recognize.

522
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,600
They do want somebody.
Who is the name?

523
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,120
That you'd be like, oh, that's
you know what I mean?

524
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:37,280
You know who had more?
You know who had more screen

525
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:41,160
time than he did?
Sam Sealsick's friend.

526
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:43,920
He had more screen time than
John Carl.

527
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:45,240
Who did they put in that role?
I.

528
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:47,840
Don't know who that guy is.
Nobody knows who that.

529
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:48,240
Guy here.
Where?

530
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:48,440
Where?
Oh.

531
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:52,560
Yeah, nobody knows who that guy
is.

532
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:54,600
Nobody.
And he had more screen time than

533
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:55,480
John.
Carl is busy.

534
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,080
Yeah, you know.
And then the the chick who?

535
00:30:58,680 --> 00:30:59,560
What was her name?
The black.

536
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,840
The.
Black Widow.

537
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:03,760
They knew that.
No, not heard yet.

538
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:08,720
The the, the one that's Italian.
No, the the the, the Israeli one

539
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:12,960
that they put in was going to be
was going to be like a character

540
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,920
who was a Mossad agent, but they
switched it because of political

541
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:20,080
concerns about being sympathetic
to Israel.

542
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,400
So they made her a Black Widow
agent instead of a Messiah

543
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:23,720
agent.
Yes.

544
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:27,600
And I think her think her name
was actually Mossad.

545
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,880
Or a lot of like and I heard a
lot of her a lot of her stuff

546
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,440
got.
Cut a lot of it, yeah, Because.

547
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,960
Because they they were, they
were afraid of like again.

548
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,200
This is why well.
The same reason why they chose

549
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,440
Japan instead of China.
Yes, because they want they want

550
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,760
this movie to do good in China
and they don't want to piss

551
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,640
China off because that's one of
their other than the US that's

552
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,720
one of their biggest places to
show movies.

553
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:52,680
So they're like fuck that shit.
We're not doing that.

554
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:59,160
So, but this is the whole thing
about them being I hate certain

555
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:04,520
things about the world today
because everybody is so afraid

556
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,640
of being woke or feeding into
DEI.

557
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:12,320
But it's like, do they they
they're so afraid that they are

558
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,520
walking on egg shells around
issues that they should be

559
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,280
stomping around.
It's like the first Falcon

560
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:22,880
Winter Soldier, Sam spoke his
mind and and it was it related

561
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:24,960
to the world today.
He should have been doing the

562
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:28,600
same thing in here, but they but
they dialed it way back from

563
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:32,040
where how he was before.
It's like he's nowhere near as

564
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:35,000
outspoken as he was.
And he should have been like him

565
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:36,440
and Isaiah.
He should have been speaking out

566
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,720
for Isaiah constantly, but he
wasn't.

567
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,560
It's like he didn't do anything
he'd do anywhere near as much

568
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,400
for Isaiah in this film as he
did in the Falcon and The Winter

569
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,440
Soldier.
And I kind of have a problem

570
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:48,360
with that.
I think it's God.

571
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:49,520
I thought that was kind of
fucked up.

572
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:51,160
I'm like, yeah, I'm like, he
wouldn't have.

573
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,840
From what how they developed Sam
and Isaiah's relationship,

574
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:58,600
there's no shot that he wouldn't
be trying to break him the fuck

575
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:02,080
out of that prison because he
knows what he went through.

576
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:06,560
And Isaiah told him.
He was crying to him saying I'm

577
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,520
going to fucking die in here.
Don't let me stay in here.

578
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:11,520
Don't leave me in here.
I'm going to die.

579
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:15,280
I'm not going to make it.
And it's like he's he's, he's a

580
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,280
fucking super soldier saying
this shit.

581
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,080
And Sam just like I'm going to
take care of it and gets that

582
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,800
and and walks away.
I don't see that.

583
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,160
I just don't see that.
But but to Casey's point, to

584
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,320
Casey's point, she makes a
really excellent point.

585
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:33,760
There's a, there is a lot of eye
candy in this movie.

586
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:35,840
There's some great special
effects.

587
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:39,360
There's some great fight scenes.
Jean Carlos, Brazil's in it.

588
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,280
He's amazing.
I mean, there's some really good

589
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:47,120
stuff in the movie.
And you know, well, I talked

590
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,200
about this early in the previous
podcast.

591
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:54,640
It's not that our expectations
are, well, the expectations are

592
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,960
are not necessarily high.
We just need to manage them now

593
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:05,560
because we it, it's cool to have
fun movies like John Wick and

594
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,719
you know, movies that you just
want to go Fast and Furious just

595
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:11,600
want to go have a good time,
right?

596
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:15,280
Some of us, we want a little
more than that.

597
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,560
And the sort of what we kind of
started expecting from the MCU

598
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:22,880
movies as they ramped up that
phase 1-2 and three, things were

599
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,760
getting pretty serious.
Things were really good.

600
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:30,280
Everything was clicking and then
we get into this new phase, this

601
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:35,880
post end game, and everything is
sort of back to the way it was

602
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:42,440
prior to Iron Man 1, where it is
great special effects or decent

603
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:47,080
special effects, stories of
blah, but the movies are fun and

604
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,159
that's all that.
That's kind of all that matters.

605
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,920
Well, you can't start giving us
things that matter and then turn

606
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:58,440
around and throw popcorn flicks
at us because we you need to

607
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,800
help us manage our expectations.
You know, that's like with the

608
00:35:02,240 --> 00:35:05,960
secret Evasion TV show.
OK, the effects were good.

609
00:35:06,240 --> 00:35:08,760
That's all we can say about it.
Everything else about it was

610
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:10,560
crap.
But if you really just want to

611
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,120
watch the TV show and waste time
away, then it's great.

612
00:35:13,720 --> 00:35:17,160
You know if if, if, if you don't
have the expectations.

613
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:18,560
Wait, which?
Which?

614
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,240
Which TV show Secret?
Evasion.

615
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:25,160
Oh, but I still have a little
bit in my.

616
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,960
Mouth I've always had this
conversation with with the

617
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,400
person who I live with unrelated
to by marriage.

618
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,520
She absolutely loves the Fast
and Furious movies, right?

619
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,240
They're fun to me.
I can't watch them again.

620
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,560
I like making fun of them.
I laugh because they're

621
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:43,640
entertainment for entertainment
purposes only.

622
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:45,800
They're great.
They're not going to be

623
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,280
nominated for an Oscar.
They're not masterpieces of

624
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:49,880
work.
They're fun movies.

625
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:55,160
I started We're spoiled and this
what we've come to expect from

626
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:59,120
MCU after end game.
Things can only get better.

627
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,960
Like my we we talked about it
earlier, we're chasing the MCU

628
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:04,840
hot.
We're trying to get that.

629
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,440
We're trying to catch that
feeling again and we're not

630
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:11,200
getting it.
Same thing I felt about what if.

631
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,920
If I step back and just look at
this movie as like a fun summer

632
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:18,760
blockbuster, You know what it It
takes all the boxes.

633
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,040
It really does.
It takes all the boxes.

634
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,120
It's fun.
It's got great fight scenes.

635
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:27,200
It's got some funny parts.
It's got a little heart.

636
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:31,600
Yeah.
But I personally, yeah, a little

637
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:32,800
bit more.
Right.

638
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:33,960
Especially.
Yeah, it's basically.

639
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:38,280
To these characters because not
only have we built on Sam

640
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,600
Wilson's character in the
movies, we had a whole show

641
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,880
where we got to know his
character more in depth know the

642
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,560
type of person he is, know what
he stands for and kind of going

643
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:52,440
back to what Mike says I don't
think that Sam Wilson in any

644
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:57,800
iteration would have left Isaiah
Bradley in prison while he went

645
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:01,520
to go figure things out that
just that didn't sit right with

646
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:06,640
me, you know and, and.
We're in the world where where,

647
00:37:07,240 --> 00:37:09,920
where Falcon.
I mean with The Winter Soldier

648
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:13,040
who was brainwashed to do stuff
and.

649
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:15,840
He's running for Congress
because he showed up in the

650
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:17,080
movie.
How?

651
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:23,000
How, however, is it that hard to
believe that Isaiah Bradley and

652
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,680
these other people were
brainwashed to do something they

653
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,800
didn't intend to do?
I mean, what, what world are we,

654
00:37:29,240 --> 00:37:31,880
what NCU world are we living in,
right?

655
00:37:32,720 --> 00:37:38,120
You know, and, and the Secret
Service doesn't have any weapons

656
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:42,640
to deal with superpower people
on hand, just in case.

657
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,880
What world do we live in, guys?
What world do we live in?

658
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:52,560
Also, Jenny Ross, hold on.
Jenny Ross 17 years ago had

659
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,720
stuff that was fucking up the
Incredible Hulk.

660
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:58,720
They, they don't have that time
technology anymore.

661
00:37:58,720 --> 00:38:01,400
Yeah.
Yeah, I, I also have, I also

662
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,960
have a problem with what's her
name?

663
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:08,360
The, the her, his, his assistant
actually finding out that

664
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:13,440
something is wrong about how
Isaiah was acting like figuring

665
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,840
it out the same time that
Joaquin was figuring it out.

666
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:19,040
Because they made a point to
show that Joaquin figured that

667
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:23,800
shit out and she figured that
shit out, but she couldn't.

668
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,720
You're saying you're saying that
she couldn't figure out a way to

669
00:38:26,720 --> 00:38:31,360
get I mean he almost she almost
got him killed because the guard

670
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,440
got hypnotized by the fucking
song and shot the other 4

671
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:39,960
shooters like she he almost got
fucking shot and it's like you

672
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,600
couldn't figure out a way to get
him get him out of there

673
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,480
somewhere like not not in
isolation because that's where

674
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,560
he's been and just like you're
going to fucking kill him faster

675
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:50,080
because he's going to kill his
fucking self.

676
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,720
It's like you didn't see that he
didn't had no control.

677
00:38:52,720 --> 00:38:54,920
He didn't do any of that shit.
Y'all could've put him somewhere

678
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,800
else.
It's like it's at that

679
00:38:57,840 --> 00:38:59,480
definitely the whole.
The whole thing at the head of

680
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:03,080
the president's, the president's
security and you could make a

681
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:04,640
call to the joint chief of
staff.

682
00:39:05,720 --> 00:39:08,240
Anything, anyone.
Leave that motherfucker out,

683
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:09,040
please.
Thank you.

684
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:11,360
Yes, give him.
Yeah.

685
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,120
Yeah, I mean, that has
aggravated me.

686
00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:16,240
And it's like they had a whole
nother movies.

687
00:39:16,240 --> 00:39:18,840
Like like I said, they had Seth
Rollins playing the part that

688
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:22,240
Giancarlo Esposito ended up
playing and I guess they didn't.

689
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:27,120
They're moving away from him or
they didn't like how he perform

690
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:30,760
portrayed it or it performed
poorly in trials.

691
00:39:31,240 --> 00:39:34,800
So they brought in New York and
that whole thing just kind of

692
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:36,800
screwed me up this time to fuck
my head up.

693
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:42,400
Then it's like, I just don't
like her character.

694
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:47,600
Like when like the, you know,
Red Ruth, yeah, it's a root.

695
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:52,040
I I just didn't like her
character because I was just

696
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:56,440
First off, she didn't, she's
just, I don't know, She I like,

697
00:39:56,440 --> 00:40:00,280
I like the character.
Hold on, Lila, the other black

698
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:01,440
character agent.
Taylor.

699
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,840
Agent Taylor Agent Taylor, who
is who ironically in the comics

700
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,320
has a has a relationship with
Sam.

701
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:12,520
I I can tell because they kind
of, they kind of hinted at that,

702
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:14,560
but.
It's like, I mean, go into that.

703
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:18,440
It's like was like what, what
what been what would have been

704
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:22,600
the harm of, of showing them to
he agrees to what would have

705
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:26,480
been the harm of delving in, of
giving them like a little bit of

706
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:30,760
hand holding and or have or
like, you know, just just throw,

707
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:32,800
throw it out there because.
Yeah.

708
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,240
Or just give a little bit of
background, because it's like

709
00:40:35,240 --> 00:40:36,960
the way that they introduced
her.

710
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:40,520
Sam said something about he had
somebody on the inside, he had a

711
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:42,760
friend.
And of course, when, when you

712
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:46,920
see them talk to each other, you
can tell that there was either

713
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:50,720
something that went on between
them or something that could go

714
00:40:50,720 --> 00:40:54,360
on between them, right.
But we don't really get like,

715
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:59,920
her character is so prominent
compared to everybody else on

716
00:40:59,920 --> 00:41:03,880
Thunderbolt Ross's team.
But we know nothing about her.

717
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:07,520
Like, you don't give us any kind
of background about her you

718
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:12,160
don't like.
Ross obviously trusts and

719
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,720
respects this woman, you know
what I'm saying?

720
00:41:14,720 --> 00:41:19,800
And there seems to be a mutual
respect between those two

721
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,480
characters.
Why not tell us a little bit

722
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:28,560
more about that?
You know, it again, it's just, I

723
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:34,960
don't know.
I, I just think I, I don't know.

724
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:39,440
It's just those are the things
that really bothered me about

725
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,400
this film.
Because 1 you generally get a

726
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:47,840
little bit more character
development, especially with

727
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:51,280
some of these other because it
seems like these smaller

728
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,120
characters.
Who you in his show?

729
00:41:53,720 --> 00:41:55,960
Huh.
He got developed in his.

730
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:59,880
Show he did, but you got these
other characters that you are

731
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:04,360
putting in the forefront of this
movie and you're not really

732
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:07,240
giving us background on them.
Like the whole thing with Ruth,

733
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:11,240
she was born in Israel and she
was a she was a she trained in

734
00:42:11,240 --> 00:42:14,040
the Red room.
That's all y'all giving us.

735
00:42:14,240 --> 00:42:17,960
Like what do we need?
What else?

736
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:19,040
What?
What else do?

737
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:22,400
You need give me a reason to
care about these characters I.

738
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:27,280
Mean it's not about her knowing
that she was in the Red Room.

739
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:29,160
We know everything about
Natasha.

740
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,760
You you correlate to me.
I correlated it with that.

741
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:34,760
Oh OK.
She's an assassin.

742
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,720
She do what she do her big one.
OK, great.

743
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:42,000
The girl he know at the White
House, OK, they hinted at a

744
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,280
relationship.
Do we need to see the background

745
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,720
and know whether or not they
went on dates and slept together

746
00:42:46,720 --> 00:42:50,680
and I I don't need that.
I don't need for me, this is

747
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:54,960
just me though.
We need all that to be able to

748
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:59,280
enjoy it and and follow along
with everything that's going on.

749
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:04,000
I don't need the deep in depth
background on where you grew up

750
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,360
and who your Mama and daddy.
I don't need that foot.

751
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,880
I'm not saying that I need all
of that, but if these are

752
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:13,480
supposed to be, again, this is
supposed to be a Captain America

753
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:18,960
movie and they made this, Wait,
they made this a Thunderbolt

754
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:23,120
Ross movie?
They made a movie about him and

755
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:26,240
all the the consequences of his
actions.

756
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:29,880
The Leader was a consequence of
what he did in The Incredible

757
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,600
Hulk.
His whole motivation for

758
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:36,800
everything, him lamenting over
his lost relationship with his

759
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:38,960
daughter and the things that he
did wrong.

760
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:43,040
And this everything was about
Ross.

761
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:48,120
So it's just for me, for these
characters that are supposed to

762
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:51,680
be connected to Sam.
I feel like get.

763
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:56,280
A little bit more.
Getting that whole him with his

764
00:43:56,280 --> 00:44:01,040
daughter and that whole thing,
it it it's sort of a way, 'cause

765
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:04,720
like I said, even though they
came from a different movie.

766
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:09,920
So to know that from then to now
they relationship is fucked up

767
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:15,480
because of what he did to the
whole back then that didn't take

768
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:17,960
away from everything that Sam
was going through to.

769
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:19,440
Me.
But what what does that have to

770
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:20,640
do with Sam?
That's the thing.

771
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,280
Take out.
Take out everything OK Take

772
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,440
everything that has to deal with
Thunderbolt Ross in this film.

773
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,280
Take it out.
What are you left with?

774
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:34,120
What are you left with?
I.

775
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:41,600
Don't know.
I mean, I'm, I'm asking the

776
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:44,080
question genuinely.
If you take out all the

777
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:48,080
Thunderbolt Ross stuff, you take
out the antagonist who, whose

778
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:52,120
whole goal is to bring
Thunderbolt Ross down.

779
00:44:52,720 --> 00:44:55,760
If you take all of his shit out,
what are you left with?

780
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:59,960
OK, you left with TMN in the
middle of the Indian Ocean and

781
00:44:59,960 --> 00:45:03,080
the country's trying to get to
the adamantium.

782
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:08,160
You have them introducing
adamantium into the, you know,

783
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:13,400
into the MCU, and other than
that, there's nothing else

784
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:17,080
there.
I mean, you, you, I, I

785
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:20,600
understand what Casey's saying,
but if you literally took, if

786
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:26,000
you do the opposite, if you take
Sam out of the movie, The movie

787
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:29,000
doesn't really change that much.
No it doesn't.

788
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:30,840
It's the same movie.
If you I mean.

789
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:32,600
That's that's what I'm saying
it.

790
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:35,320
Yeah, if if you.
Take Sam out of the movie You.

791
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:37,920
You still have the majority of
the film.

792
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:40,800
Yeah.
Because once you take out, once

793
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:46,120
you take out Yaquin and you take
out Joaquin, I'm sorry if you

794
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:47,880
take out Joaquin and you take
out.

795
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:55,440
Isaiah Bradley.
Isaiah Bradley, you the majority

796
00:45:55,440 --> 00:46:00,960
of the film is about the origin
of the Red Hulk, that that's

797
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:05,080
basically what what you got.
And Celestial Island, you could

798
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:07,840
have stuck like you said, like I
said, you could have stuck the

799
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:11,640
Incredible Hulk in there and the
movie would have been somewhat

800
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:14,480
the same.
You could have stuck any one of

801
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:19,760
the Eternals in there to explain
the whole thing about Tiamat and

802
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:21,840
it wouldn't have changed much.
It just.

803
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:23,680
Shit, you could, you could, you
could have put Ethan Hunt in

804
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:25,880
this motherfucker and turn to a
Mission Impossible movie.

805
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:30,240
It's like basically it because
because that's true.

806
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:34,160
It's they.
This is why I mean there you

807
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:36,920
couldn't while we were saying.
This movie you could have stuck

808
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:41,720
my Rambo in this movie, you
could have stuck it just.

809
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:46,240
It did not in the.
Captain America movie, to me, it

810
00:46:46,240 --> 00:46:48,840
just didn't.
I mean, that's not and and

811
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:51,160
again, that's not to say that I
didn't love it.

812
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:54,080
I love like you say, I love the
characters them.

813
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:58,440
I love the action sequence.
Like I said, one of my big, big

814
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:01,440
concerns was that we weren't
getting Bucky in this film and

815
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:05,760
we actually got him in the film
in a cameo and it kind of give

816
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:10,920
gives us a little bit more about
seeing what he might be up to in

817
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:15,200
the lead up to Thunderbolts.
But again, it it just didn't

818
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:17,120
feel like a Captain America
movie to me.

819
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:22,360
Yeah, and again, the case is
point the movie like both of you

820
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:27,840
are seeing, it's a fun movie.
I I needed to manage my

821
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:29,840
expectations.
Them sitting there watching it

822
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:33,280
like, oh, it's the Red Hook
origin story.

823
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:37,720
This is cool, OK, with a little
bit of the Falcon and Winter

824
00:47:37,720 --> 00:47:41,200
Soldier in it, like just a
little bit of it in there.

825
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:47,600
And I, I guess, I guess more or
less is like I said earlier and,

826
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:50,800
and I don't want to keep saying
it, I just expected a little bit

827
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:55,880
more.
If you had said this was the Red

828
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:59,920
Hulk or you called it
Thunderbolts origins, I'm like,

829
00:47:59,920 --> 00:48:02,240
cool, that's not what the movie
is called.

830
00:48:02,240 --> 00:48:06,200
It's called Captain America,
brave new world, brave new

831
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,960
world.
You know, it's it's the whole I

832
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:10,680
don't know.
There there was another movie

833
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:14,920
that did the same thing and I
don't know, I I just wanted to I

834
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:18,960
wanted more, I wanted more Sam
less than about Ross.

835
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:25,520
If if, if that makes sense.
And I don't feel like to I'm I'm

836
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:27,160
specifically talking to you,
Casey.

837
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:31,000
I just feel like I didn't get
enough of Captain America.

838
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:34,080
I wanted more Captain America.
I didn't get enough Captain

839
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:36,440
America.
I got a whole lot of the leader

840
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:38,120
and a whole lot of Thunderbolt
Ross.

841
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:41,400
I got a whole lot of the leader.
Samuel Stern standing in front

842
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:44,720
of a green screen, which is
obviously reshoots.

843
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:48,520
Every time they said serpent
society, they edited out

844
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:50,640
society.
And to say the serpent, they

845
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:53,560
couldn't even say sidewinder.
Like they didn't even go back in

846
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:56,320
ADR that oh, he hired the
serpent.

847
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:59,880
No, the serpent society.
It's obviously you cut out

848
00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:02,760
society, but you don't want to
go back and make it to say it's

849
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:04,320
sidewinder.
I'm just.

850
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:08,200
But you know what for for and
and see, that's the thing for

851
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:11,400
someone like me who I wouldn't
know difference between the

852
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:14,320
serpent or a serpent society,
you know what I mean?

853
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:17,560
So for somebody like me, I
wouldn't, those details

854
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:19,520
wouldn't.
Yeah, that's, that's just me

855
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:24,400
nitpicking, but literally, like,
I, I think everything I,

856
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:29,040
everything that I talked about,
everything we're talking about

857
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:32,360
is the, the Red Hole stuff is
cool.

858
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:36,400
We cool with that.
It's just that we wanted to see

859
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:41,560
Sam Wilson's Captain America and
they'd be his movie.

860
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:45,480
I wanted to see him like saving
the world and not cleaning up

861
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,280
Thunderbolts.
Thunderbolts bullshit.

862
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:50,560
And that's basically what it
was.

863
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:55,320
He was cleaning up all the
mistakes from Thunderbolt.

864
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:58,400
Ross, like every all, all, all
of the stuff that he did in his

865
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:04,200
past was catching up to him.
And Sam happened to be the one

866
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:09,960
who had to kind of fix it, and
that was it.

867
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:12,600
Could have been Becky.
It didn't have to be Sam.

868
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:18,000
It could have been anyone.
Yeah, so, and, and you know, I,

869
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:22,800
I get what you're saying, Casey,
as far as the the details not

870
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:26,280
mattering to you, especially as
a non comic reader.

871
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:33,200
But let's be honest, the MCU
would not be as successful and

872
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:39,080
as popular as it is if they
weren't going, if they weren't

873
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:42,280
like trying to.
I, I won't even say a piece.

874
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:49,480
But if you're if you're not
trying to do what makes the

875
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:53,960
comic book readers happy,
because if you're just if you're

876
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:58,240
just focusing on the people
who've never read the comic

877
00:50:58,240 --> 00:51:01,680
books, then yeah, some of that,
some of those details won't

878
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:03,240
care.
But you also wouldn't be

879
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:07,680
grossing a billion dollars
worldwide with most of these

880
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:12,200
movies.
Well, see, for me again, I have

881
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:16,960
no never read a comic book.
Never don't have any references

882
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:20,960
for anything, even going all the
way back to Iron Man with zero

883
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:25,480
reference.
I enjoy all the movies like some

884
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:29,800
I've only seen twice and then
there's some I've I've seen Iron

885
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:32,640
Man 50 times.
So you know, there are some.

886
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:36,600
And even still, even when I hear
like comic book references and

887
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:39,480
people say, oh, in the book it
was this and that, that still

888
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:40,760
means nothing to me.
I know what happened in the

889
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:46,320
movie, you know what I mean?
And and then the same way they

890
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:48,120
need to go there, but for The
Walking Dead.

891
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:50,840
They didn't follow the comics
every and I never read those

892
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:53,560
comics either.
But we would always get, oh,

893
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:54,680
they didn't do this in the
comics.

894
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:57,400
They didn't do this in.
I'm enjoying what's being

895
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:01,400
presented to me now and what I'm
being presented, regardless of

896
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:06,360
the source reference is
entertaining to me as a non

897
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:08,960
comic reader.
Make me go back and read the

898
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:12,360
comics.
Possibly it could, maybe, but

899
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:15,680
who's to say?
But as a non comic reader right

900
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:18,960
what I got.
And, and, and I understand that

901
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:21,120
because I'm not a comic, I'm not
a comic book reader.

902
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:24,240
Either and like all the back
story and the this should have

903
00:52:24,240 --> 00:52:29,040
been this or the what these you
know, other that y'all Anthony

904
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:32,680
and Mike know that oh this
should have been this or you

905
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:34,760
know without knowing none of
that.

906
00:52:36,240 --> 00:52:41,000
The C the the CKC for for you,
you make you bring up a good

907
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:43,280
example to use, which is The
Walking Dead.

908
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,600
So they deviated a lot from the
comic books.

909
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:49,880
But even the people who read the
comic books, who read the

910
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:54,960
graphic novel will tell you that
they kept the spirit of what he

911
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:57,240
was doing.
And he was out also involved in

912
00:52:57,240 --> 00:53:02,240
the show as well.
But they kept the spirit of what

913
00:53:02,240 --> 00:53:06,520
the show was trying to do.
They didn't have to deviate so

914
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:09,600
far away from what the what it
was about.

915
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:15,320
The same thing with Invincible.
People who have read the graphic

916
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:20,480
novel will tell you Invincible
stayed true to what the comic is

917
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:25,400
about.
All we're saying is this isn't

918
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:30,440
true to what we were expecting.
Like this was literally a Red

919
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:33,720
Hulk movie.
It wasn't a Captain America

920
00:53:33,720 --> 00:53:36,000
movie.
Even if you look at all the

921
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:40,560
previous Captain America movies,
the only one that was maybe you

922
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:44,320
can say was a deviation was
Civil War because that was like

923
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:48,600
more like an evangelist movie.
But all the movies that are

924
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:51,760
Captain America movies are
Captain America movies except

925
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:53,120
this one.
It didn't.

926
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:57,560
No, let me rephrase, it didn't
feel like a Captain America

927
00:53:57,560 --> 00:53:59,880
movie.
Like Steve Rogers was at the

928
00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:04,000
center of Civil War.
It was the struggle between him

929
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:08,040
and Tony and his struggle.
The whole movie was apparent.

930
00:54:08,720 --> 00:54:10,040
The same thing with Winter
Soldier.

931
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:13,800
It was about him and Becky and
and his struggle with that

932
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:17,840
relationship.
Here we got Sam, who is Captain

933
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:23,520
America, but it's really not
about anything evolving him.

934
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:27,160
It's like Hanukkah say.
It's really more about him

935
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:31,120
reacting to what Thunderbolt
Ross has been doing and the

936
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:33,800
culmination of all his stuff
that he's been doing.

937
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:36,800
And it's about him.
He's the one we talk about how

938
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:39,600
great he is.
He's the one that got all of the

939
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:42,960
development.
And yes, you're right, Sam had a

940
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:46,800
whole show, but not everyone
watched the show the last time.

941
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:49,080
A lot of people who see this
movie, the last time they saw

942
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:53,000
him was him getting the shield,
and now they're going to see him

943
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:56,960
as Captain America.
Well, sort of Captain America

944
00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:01,480
sometimes, but it was mostly if
you have watched The Incredible

945
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:05,960
Hulk with Edward Norton, this
movie will be your jam.

946
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:09,760
Because this, if you, I was
telling you, if you had watched

947
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:12,120
that movie The day before you
saw this movie, you'd be like,

948
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:16,520
yeah, this is Part 2, definitely
Part 2 and that.

949
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:17,440
And that's kind of always
saying.

950
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:19,720
So you don't necessarily need to
have and, and I talked, we

951
00:55:19,720 --> 00:55:21,600
talked about this on other MCU
shows.

952
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:26,560
We talked about the details
drive me and Mike nuts.

953
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:30,440
It it they can.
But we also understand that the

954
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:33,640
details aren't for everybody.
The details are for us, right?

955
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:37,640
Details are not for for you.
And that drives us nuts.

956
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:39,520
Yeah, I think we had a
conversation.

957
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:42,280
We had a conversation about
this, talking about the

958
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:47,520
mainstream fans and then the the
kind of over and beyond fans.

959
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:50,800
It's like.
And I remember saying that I

960
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:53,640
was.
I wasn't as worried about this

961
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:57,720
movie than I am Thunderbolts.
Thunderbolts.

962
00:55:57,720 --> 00:55:59,120
Yeah.
You know, and I fully expect

963
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:02,800
this movie to do fine in the box
office because it says it's

964
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:05,080
Captain America and this guy
Harrison Ford in it.

965
00:56:05,720 --> 00:56:09,320
You cannot go wrong with that.
People are going to watch this.

966
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:12,240
Movie worldwide so.
Yeah, people are going to go

967
00:56:12,240 --> 00:56:14,040
watch it.
It's just that people like me

968
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:16,840
and Mike, we're going to be a
little bit bothered by some of

969
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:20,600
this stuff that's going on.
And that's our fault.

970
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:24,480
Comic book that references the
Brave New World or no?

971
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:28,160
Yes, it's a whole series.
OK.

972
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:34,680
But it's not this, it's.
There is the brave, brave

973
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:36,720
Captain America.
Brave New World exists.

974
00:56:36,720 --> 00:56:38,240
There is a comic.
OK.

975
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:41,800
OK, it's called Brave New World.
Yes, it's called the.

976
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:45,600
Movie is called brave new World.
The comic series is Brave World,

977
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:46,440
but they're not the same.
It's.

978
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:48,480
Not the same.
And it's like.

979
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:54,440
'Cause the red Hulk the red Hulk
is a whole series of books in

980
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:57,200
the incredible Hulk in the.
Incredible Hulk?

981
00:56:57,240 --> 00:56:58,320
Really.
More technically, more

982
00:56:58,320 --> 00:56:59,920
Thunderbolts.
Than Thunderbolts.

983
00:56:59,920 --> 00:57:04,360
But yeah, but because basically
becomes a Red Hulk too.

984
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:07,880
I mean, it's, it's all, all that
stuff.

985
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:12,120
This is why Hanukkah gives me
gives me grief every time

986
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:16,480
someone mentions Taskmaster.
It's because I get, I pay

987
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:19,600
attention to things and when
they're not that way, this

988
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:23,360
that's my that's my ADHD kicking
Gambian like that's not right,

989
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:25,400
that's not right, that's not
right, that's not right and it

990
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:31,720
gets me.
But OK, I'm this was a fun movie

991
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:34,680
like them.
Like the, the flying battle

992
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:38,040
scene was good.
I'm glad that Joaquin didn't get

993
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:42,000
the war machine treatment and
like, lose and like become a

994
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,520
quadriplegic because I was
afraid that was going to happen.

995
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:46,200
I was afraid he was going to
die.

996
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:52,520
Because they cut out a whole
funeral scene that they had in

997
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:55,000
in that.
This was one of the behind the

998
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:57,280
scenes pics they had.
They had a whole funeral scene

999
00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:00,320
that we didn't see.
So they cut that out, 'cause I

1000
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:01,960
thought Joaquin was dead, I
thought.

1001
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:10,600
I would have been pissed if if
big big not only because one I

1002
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:13,240
feel like he didn't have enough
time in this movie either.

1003
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:17,560
Again, this is Captain America
and you know the new Falcon

1004
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:19,440
supposed to be a big part of
this movie.

1005
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:21,360
I feel like he didn't get enough
time.

1006
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:25,480
But one of the other things that
I think kind of bothers me and

1007
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:29,000
this goes back to a conversation
that we've all we've always had

1008
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:34,080
in in regards to the MCU shows.
We, you know, Anthony had this

1009
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:40,320
thing where he was saying that
the people who watch the movies

1010
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:43,480
are not necessarily going to
watch the shows and vice versa.

1011
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:50,440
And unfortunately with this
film, it kind of proves that you

1012
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:54,360
are.
Let me let me say you don't have

1013
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:57,360
to, but if you want the
information kind of like I'm

1014
00:58:57,360 --> 00:58:59,880
saying, I like that.
I like character development.

1015
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:03,840
I like seeing where a character
starts and where they come from.

1016
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:08,240
If you go into this movie and
you've never seen Falcon in The

1017
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:11,600
Winter Soldier, you don't know
who the fuck Joaquin is.

1018
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:14,640
You don't know why he's got the
mantle of the Falcon.

1019
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:18,960
You know there there are certain
things about these characters

1020
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:23,480
that you just aren't not gonna
know because you didn't watch

1021
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:25,960
the show.
Anybody who watched the movies,

1022
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:31,480
you're not expecting Bucky to
show up for Sam and for them to

1023
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:35,280
have the the conversation that
they have and hug it out and

1024
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:37,960
Bucky's last words being I love
you, bro.

1025
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:41,920
If you just watch the films and
didn't watch Falcon in The

1026
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:45,280
Winter Soldier, you have no idea
that that relationship is even a

1027
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:48,600
relationship now.
You know, you have no idea how

1028
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:51,440
close they are.
And it's just, I guess that's

1029
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:54,640
just one of the things that kind
of bothers me again, because

1030
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:58,720
everything was focused on
Thunderbolt Ross.

1031
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:03,720
And I just don't feel like there
was enough of Sam's story in

1032
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:07,120
there for it to be considered a
Captain America movie.

1033
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:10,200
Yes, the movie was fun.
Yes, Anthony Mackie was

1034
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:12,400
phenomenal.
And I'm not complaining about

1035
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:15,960
the Red Hulk because Harrison
Ford, again, gave a great

1036
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:19,040
performance.
But like you said, it was an

1037
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:23,880
Incredible Hulk sequel.
It was a Red Hulk origin story.

1038
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:27,400
I don't feel like it was a
Captain America movie.

1039
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:32,040
In the sense of the Captain
America movies we've gotten

1040
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:35,280
before.
Well, well, to be fair,

1041
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:40,960
Hanukkah, to be fair, you, you
you really could just not have

1042
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:46,440
watched the show.
Because if you saw the Falcon

1043
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:50,480
get this shield and now he's
Captain America, well, then

1044
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:52,200
someone had to become the
Falcon.

1045
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:54,560
And here's a new little kid on
the block.

1046
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:59,520
Who's the Falcon now?
And he, and if you remember, he

1047
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:03,440
does have an issue with having
lots of friends who did the same

1048
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:07,480
thing he did and he's being
overly protective of him for

1049
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:10,000
those reasons.
So it does kind of make sense.

1050
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:14,040
You don't need to know who he
was or how they became friends

1051
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:17,200
because you just got his
replacement and he's got to

1052
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:18,760
teach them how to be the Falcon
now.

1053
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:23,760
I got to be honest, I forgot
that he that his that his, that

1054
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:26,040
he had someone who who flew with
him die.

1055
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:28,720
Like I completely forgot that.
Part yeah, I forgot about it

1056
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:30,680
too.
Went on to Anthony mentioned it

1057
01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:32,800
earlier.
Yeah, but if you only watch, if,

1058
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:35,920
if you focus on the movies and
you not watch the show, you

1059
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:38,760
would remember, you know, that
would be more something that you

1060
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:43,880
remember than than the now.
I can't explain the Bucky thing

1061
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:47,520
because I don't know.
Didn't Bucky talk to him at the

1062
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:50,560
end of the movie about it?
He gave you the show, you know?

1063
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:53,520
Yeah.
But they it they were still not

1064
01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:56,080
on the level.
You know, they weren't tight

1065
01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:59,040
like he would come visit him to
check up on him and see how.

1066
01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:02,080
He's doing.
But it is kind of believable

1067
01:02:02,080 --> 01:02:05,560
because time has passed and he
could have been there with him,

1068
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:09,120
helping him learn how someone
had to teach him how to throw

1069
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:12,240
the shield.
You know, someone had to work

1070
01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:15,440
with him on on that stuff,
training him how to fight.

1071
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:17,600
You know, Isaiah Bradley didn't.
Maybe I was.

1072
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:19,720
That might throw some people
off.

1073
01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:22,720
Who the fuck is Isaiah Bradley?
They gave you a little bit, you

1074
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:24,520
know, they gave you a little bit
of information.

1075
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:28,480
You know who Isaiah Bradley was?
He was Captain America at some

1076
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:30,840
point.
You know he just.

1077
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:34,000
Never had any for him.
They, they give you, they give

1078
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:36,320
you enough.
And, and that's what I said

1079
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:39,120
before about the TV shows.
Not necessarily.

1080
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:41,560
They're going to have to make it
to where you can watch the

1081
01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:45,000
movies, still have the
information, and not watch TV

1082
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:47,560
shows.
My gripe with them is not that.

1083
01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:50,640
My gripe with them is that this
movie wasn't really a Captain

1084
01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:51,880
America movie.
It was.

1085
01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:53,520
It was.
It was a sequel to The

1086
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:56,920
Incredible Hulk.
Yeah, I think, I think that

1087
01:02:56,920 --> 01:02:59,240
Bucky was just it.
Was a good sequel to The

1088
01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:00,920
Incredible Hulk.
Actually, it was actually a

1089
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:02,520
really good sequel to The
Incredible Hulk.

1090
01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:05,160
I just think that I think that
Bucky was checking on him

1091
01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:07,960
secretly to to see how his
sister was doing, you know, to

1092
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:12,280
keep that going.
But if he if he didn't watch

1093
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:14,080
Falcon The Winter Soldier,
you're not going to get that

1094
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:15,200
joke.
And.

1095
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:19,480
And now I'm going to have
questions about, so is this

1096
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:21,680
before or after Thunderbolts?
Because when I'm watching

1097
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:24,880
Thunderbolts, he can't be
running for Senate and and

1098
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:29,640
you're not running for officer.
Well, so, so if you, if you look

1099
01:03:29,640 --> 01:03:36,200
at the scene in Captain America,
he says something about being a

1100
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:39,920
would be congressman.
So he's he's at this point, he's

1101
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:44,600
stomping, he's campaigning.
If you look at the most recent

1102
01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:48,320
trailer for the Thunderbolts
that they released on Super Bowl

1103
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:54,000
Sunday, the trailer starts out
with them being in a

1104
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:59,400
congressional hearing with Val
speaking to Congress.

1105
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:03,920
Bucky is there in the audience
in his suit and tie with his

1106
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:08,480
American pen.
So I think he starts out the

1107
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:12,280
Thunderbolts in this position,
whether he's already been

1108
01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:15,720
elected or whether he's still
campaigning.

1109
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:19,960
And then something probably
happens to pull him back into,

1110
01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:25,320
as we see kind of Winter Soldier
and then him having to go form

1111
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:29,120
this team with the others.
But I thought it was I, we

1112
01:04:29,120 --> 01:04:31,840
mentioned this earlier, we were
talking about What if.

1113
01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:35,600
I thought it was very
interesting because last season

1114
01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:41,840
of What If there was an episode
where Bucky was a senator and I

1115
01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:44,000
was like, how in the world would
that even work?

1116
01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:47,560
And then now we see he's he's
campaigning for Congress.

1117
01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:54,880
So, you know, I think one of the
things about this film that that

1118
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:58,360
it, that it does reflect, and I
think Anthony, you may have

1119
01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:01,920
mentioned this earlier.
You know, you think about a

1120
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:05,320
character like Bucky as The
Winter Soldier.

1121
01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:09,160
Like this is someone who is
internationally known as an

1122
01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:13,600
assassin, a controlled assassin.
Yes, he was brainwashed.

1123
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:16,600
He was being controlled.
He, he had no control over the

1124
01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:18,400
things that he did as The Winter
Soldier.

1125
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:22,520
We know from Falcon in The
Winter Soldier that he was

1126
01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:26,400
pardoned and apparently is now
running for Congress.

1127
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:29,160
OK.
This is a person who obviously

1128
01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:34,080
his his crimes are not hindering
him in any sort of way.

1129
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:38,200
Going back to the whole thing
with Isaiah Bradley, you know,

1130
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:42,880
this is a man who never
committed a crime but served 30

1131
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:47,840
years in prison for trying to
save the lives of other super

1132
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:49,840
soldiers.
You know, his his brothers in

1133
01:05:49,840 --> 01:05:54,840
arms and you see how they
treated him like it was obvious.

1134
01:05:54,880 --> 01:06:00,560
And even even from watching the
film, the moment that he picked

1135
01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:05,560
up the gun and shot at the
president, the way that his eyes

1136
01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:08,480
were, you could tell this was a
man who was not in control.

1137
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:12,320
He he very much looked like he
was looking into Dead Space.

1138
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:15,160
But of course, he didn't get
that benefit of the doubt

1139
01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:18,760
because of who he shot at and
because of the situation and all

1140
01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:22,720
the other stuff that happened.
And I thought about that one

1141
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:26,720
scene in Falcon in The Winter
Soldier, right after they left

1142
01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:29,560
Isaiah's house.
Bucky and Sam were in the

1143
01:06:29,560 --> 01:06:33,720
street, and they were arguing,
and the police came up and they

1144
01:06:33,720 --> 01:06:38,000
started kind of berating Sam,
like, oh, is everything OK?

1145
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:39,720
What are you doing?
Let me see your ID.

1146
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:42,520
And Sam was like I don't hate ID
Like what?

1147
01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:43,480
Am I doing?
Yes, Sir.

1148
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:44,800
Is he Sir?
Is he bothering?

1149
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:48,800
You Yeah, right.
And Bucky is like, excuse me, do

1150
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:53,040
you not know who he is?
Like, it it it's it is one of

1151
01:06:53,040 --> 01:06:56,560
those things where obviously
race comes into play.

1152
01:06:57,040 --> 01:07:01,520
You know what I'm saying?
Like Bucky white guy in that

1153
01:07:01,520 --> 01:07:04,520
situation, the police didn't
even think about, oh, this is

1154
01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:08,640
The Winter Soldier.
This is this is, you know, James

1155
01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:10,440
Bond, He's he's The Winter
Soldier.

1156
01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:14,000
He's hardened.
He's this that and the other in

1157
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:17,080
in Captain America.
But he's running for Congress,

1158
01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:21,560
you know, but you got Sam the
one being questioned.

1159
01:07:21,560 --> 01:07:24,160
And it wasn't until the guy was
like, yo, that's the Falcon.

1160
01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:28,080
He's like, oh, Mr. Wilson, I'm
so sorry, Sir, blah, blah, blah,

1161
01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:30,160
that, you know, that whole
thing.

1162
01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:34,960
And then in in the movie with
Isaiah Bradley, you know,

1163
01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:39,840
they're putting him in maximum
security because of all this

1164
01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:42,320
stuff.
And, you know, even the way that

1165
01:07:42,320 --> 01:07:46,880
the the the newscast was talking
about him talking about, yeah,

1166
01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:51,200
you know, he was honored a few
years ago for being the first

1167
01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:52,960
Captain America and now blah,
blah.

1168
01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:59,000
Yeah.
I think that that part was part

1169
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:02,160
of Captain America story because
it is something that we see

1170
01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:04,080
reflected in both the show and
the movie.

1171
01:08:04,080 --> 01:08:09,920
But yeah, anyway, OK, so let's
do this because we've talked.

1172
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:12,880
Yeah, I'm, I'm avoiding, I'm
avoiding that soapbox I had

1173
01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:15,720
already, but I'm I'm gonna, I'm
not gonna get on.

1174
01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:17,439
It Why are you not gonna get on
it?

1175
01:08:17,479 --> 01:08:19,960
I'm not gonna get on it, OK.
There was, there was so many.

1176
01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:24,160
There was so many.
It was so there are so many

1177
01:08:24,439 --> 01:08:29,520
subtext things in this movie
that, you know, I I appreciate

1178
01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:32,000
it.
But it's old now.

1179
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:34,880
Yeah, it's old.
It's tired.

1180
01:08:35,319 --> 01:08:42,439
You know, we, we have, we have
some politicians who have been

1181
01:08:42,479 --> 01:08:49,359
convicted awaiting sentence and
and they're our leaders of the

1182
01:08:49,359 --> 01:08:50,960
free world.
Yeah, yeah.

1183
01:08:51,439 --> 01:08:53,080
That's and that's real life.
That's.

1184
01:08:53,120 --> 01:08:54,840
Not And that's real.
That's real life.

1185
01:08:54,840 --> 01:08:57,800
So I can't even be mad that
Bucky in the office.

1186
01:08:58,120 --> 01:09:00,200
Yeah, I really.
I really can't, you know.

1187
01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:03,279
I mean and I'm I?
Actually got a pardon and but

1188
01:09:03,359 --> 01:09:08,640
but the the thing that the thing
that you bring up about the

1189
01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:14,240
difference between Bucky and and
Isaiah Bradley is obvious to us.

1190
01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:19,840
We we get the we get the sub
context is is is it going to

1191
01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:21,880
matter though?
Like is anyone else going to be

1192
01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:24,319
paying attention to that?
More people are up in arms about

1193
01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:31,279
some, a lot of us are afraid to
criticize this movie because of

1194
01:09:31,800 --> 01:09:33,560
a black man being Captain
America.

1195
01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:40,720
And, and this is becoming an
issue now where where it's it's

1196
01:09:40,720 --> 01:09:46,120
difficult to to be critical of,
of something like that because

1197
01:09:46,439 --> 01:09:49,200
then you're critical of it
because it's a black man being

1198
01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:52,240
Captain America.
So I applaud all the, the

1199
01:09:52,240 --> 01:09:58,120
content creators and the not the
critics because they, they, they

1200
01:09:58,120 --> 01:10:00,920
trash every movie.
But there are a lot of content

1201
01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:03,480
queries who are going on a limb
and they're trashing this movie

1202
01:10:04,040 --> 01:10:08,360
and they're putting themselves
out there because the backlash

1203
01:10:08,360 --> 01:10:10,720
is going to be where you only
like, you only dislike it

1204
01:10:10,720 --> 01:10:15,560
because it has a black man
playing Captain America where

1205
01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:18,640
that's really not the case.
I mean, there's some legitimate

1206
01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:22,720
things that are wrong with the
movie, but there are also some

1207
01:10:22,720 --> 01:10:24,400
things that are really good
about the movie.

1208
01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:28,840
And Casey is a perfect example
of you literally can go into

1209
01:10:28,840 --> 01:10:30,920
this movie and walk out and be
like, man, that was a great

1210
01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:34,440
movie.
And I understand because like I

1211
01:10:34,440 --> 01:10:37,800
said, if it was Red Hulk, you
know, Incredible Hulk 2, Red

1212
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:40,280
Hulk, I'm like, this movie is
awesome.

1213
01:10:40,440 --> 01:10:43,400
It's great, it's perfect, but
it's not, it's Captain America.

1214
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:47,400
So yeah, people are going to
trash it because it's it's not

1215
01:10:47,400 --> 01:10:52,480
really a Captain America movie.
And then they're going to, I

1216
01:10:52,480 --> 01:10:57,480
mentioned that someone somewhere
made the decision to change the

1217
01:10:57,480 --> 01:11:01,520
entire movie because they
probably felt like, yeah, no,

1218
01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:03,800
people aren't going to really
buy into this black man being

1219
01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:06,720
Captain America.
Or they didn't believe Sam

1220
01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:11,200
Anthony Mackie could could
literally carry a movie in

1221
01:11:11,480 --> 01:11:15,520
Harrison Ford had an interview
where someone asked him about,

1222
01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:19,840
you know, is it cool being a
movie where a black man, he's a

1223
01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:23,320
black Captain America.
He's like, no, he's just Captain

1224
01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:25,080
America.
He's just Captain America, yeah.

1225
01:11:25,280 --> 01:11:28,640
He's literally just Captain
America, and you would hope that

1226
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:30,960
everyone would watch it like
that, that everyone would watch

1227
01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:34,880
it through that lens.
But remember, that was a that

1228
01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:38,040
was a thing in Falcon and The
Winter Soldier too, you know,

1229
01:11:38,040 --> 01:11:40,400
the little kid calling the Black
Falcon, He was like, it's just

1230
01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:42,680
Falcon.
My dad says it's Black Falcon.

1231
01:11:42,920 --> 01:11:46,040
And at the end, when he was
Captain America, the guy was

1232
01:11:46,040 --> 01:11:47,920
like, yeah, that's the black
Captain America.

1233
01:11:48,200 --> 01:11:49,360
And.
It would make.

1234
01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:51,840
Captain America.
And what makes Anthony Mackie's

1235
01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:54,080
performance in this movie so
good?

1236
01:11:54,080 --> 01:11:58,320
The part, his part is written so
well in that he's not

1237
01:11:58,320 --> 01:12:01,720
questioning whether or not he
should be Captain America

1238
01:12:01,720 --> 01:12:04,000
because he's black.
He's questioning whether he's

1239
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:09,240
good enough, whether he can
measure up to what Steve Rogers

1240
01:12:09,240 --> 01:12:13,360
was, if the if he can reach the
idea, if he could replace him

1241
01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:17,560
and be Captain America.
That's what he struggled, not

1242
01:12:17,560 --> 01:12:21,480
because he's black.
And and that resonates with me.

1243
01:12:21,480 --> 01:12:25,840
Like don't always assume that I
have to be the black person that

1244
01:12:25,840 --> 01:12:28,120
does it.
So the black person, why can't I

1245
01:12:28,120 --> 01:12:32,160
just be hoping to be good at it,
to be good at what I'm doing?

1246
01:12:33,080 --> 01:12:36,440
And that's that's why I thought
his character so well written

1247
01:12:36,440 --> 01:12:39,600
this movie.
That's why I wanted more of him.

1248
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:43,120
I would have been OK with the
continuation of the Falcon

1249
01:12:43,120 --> 01:12:47,080
Winter Soldier in movie form.
People were like how?

1250
01:12:47,080 --> 01:12:49,120
We don't want to see Cap, we
don't want to see Falcon.

1251
01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:51,240
I do I.
Do yeah.

1252
01:12:51,480 --> 01:12:53,320
I do I that's what I want to
see.

1253
01:12:53,320 --> 01:12:57,760
I want to see his journey in
becoming the true Captain

1254
01:12:57,760 --> 01:12:59,960
America.
You know everyone's Captain

1255
01:12:59,960 --> 01:13:02,800
America, not just some people's
Captain America.

1256
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:06,000
I'm sorry, I'm putting my
soapbox away.

1257
01:13:06,360 --> 01:13:11,000
No, but I mean, you make you
make some very yeah, you make

1258
01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:14,480
some very valid points.
I mean, Falcon and The Winter

1259
01:13:14,480 --> 01:13:19,360
Soldier to this day remains one
of my top Disney Plus shows, you

1260
01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:24,360
know, and it's because of the,
the, the growth that we saw from

1261
01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:27,200
Sam Wilson, Sam Wilson's
character.

1262
01:13:27,200 --> 01:13:31,720
And again, also kind of, you
know, the relationship between

1263
01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:33,440
him and Bucky and how that
developed.

1264
01:13:33,800 --> 01:13:39,640
But again, a, a continuation of
that story with the Flag

1265
01:13:39,640 --> 01:13:43,760
Smashers or not even the Flag
Smashers because we saw what

1266
01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:46,000
happened to them at the end of
the series.

1267
01:13:46,400 --> 01:13:50,000
But what happens after that?
I think the timeline of this

1268
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:52,960
particular Captain America
movie, I think it takes place

1269
01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:56,480
two years after the end of
Falcon and The Winter Soldier.

1270
01:13:56,480 --> 01:14:01,520
Because when the, when the news
report was talking about Isaiah

1271
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:04,600
Bradley, they said something
about how two years ago it was

1272
01:14:04,600 --> 01:14:07,800
made known, blah, blah, blah,
that he, you know, government

1273
01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:12,920
experimented on him.
So two years after what happened

1274
01:14:12,920 --> 01:14:16,520
with the Flag Smashers, like
what is that world like now?

1275
01:14:16,520 --> 01:14:20,880
What happened with the, what do
they call it, the reclamation

1276
01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:24,600
project or the people who came
back from the blip and all the

1277
01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:28,120
people were being displaced and
those conflicts like those are

1278
01:14:28,120 --> 01:14:32,160
still real things that have not
been properly addressed.

1279
01:14:32,160 --> 01:14:34,600
And I think we talked about that
with the Eternals too.

1280
01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:38,520
It's like 5 years.
People disappeared and when they

1281
01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:41,880
came back, everything was
different.

1282
01:14:42,320 --> 01:14:47,160
Nobody has talked about that.
And I think for me with these

1283
01:14:47,320 --> 01:14:51,840
with these Marvel films, one of
the issues that I do have and I

1284
01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:55,520
know we talk about continuity,
we talk about how the stories

1285
01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:58,600
connect and everything are
granted, everything doesn't

1286
01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:03,160
always have to connect.
We get that The Avengers are The

1287
01:15:03,160 --> 01:15:06,600
Avengers, but they also have
very separate lives when they're

1288
01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:08,720
not avenging.
They have different things that

1289
01:15:08,720 --> 01:15:12,040
they have to do.
And then also, everybody can't

1290
01:15:12,040 --> 01:15:13,760
be in the same place at the same
time.

1291
01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:16,480
There are other parts kind of
like what Miss Marvel said when

1292
01:15:16,480 --> 01:15:18,200
they were like, well, where were
you and all this stuff?

1293
01:15:18,200 --> 01:15:21,200
She was like, other parts of the
universe don't have The

1294
01:15:21,200 --> 01:15:24,200
Avengers, so I have to be
elsewhere.

1295
01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:28,760
But something like the stuff
that happens, like you said, the

1296
01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:31,960
stuff that happens with the Red
Hulk, You don't think Bruce

1297
01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:34,760
Banner would have been
interested in being like, oh,

1298
01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:38,120
let me go see if I can help
this, you know, help with this

1299
01:15:38,120 --> 01:15:42,400
because not too many things can
defeat a Red Hulk.

1300
01:15:43,160 --> 01:15:47,680
You know, the whole thing with
TMA being in the middle of the

1301
01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:51,600
Indian Ocean, you think Captain
America is the only person who's

1302
01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:52,800
going to come and deal with
that?

1303
01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:55,640
And this is how many years after
the fact?

1304
01:15:55,640 --> 01:15:59,880
Like, I, I don't know, I just
have a problem with the, the

1305
01:15:59,880 --> 01:16:05,200
fact that y'all can bring all of
The Avengers together or all of

1306
01:16:05,200 --> 01:16:08,840
the superheroes together for
these little bitty things, but

1307
01:16:08,840 --> 01:16:11,520
when it comes to these huge
things, it's like where is

1308
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:17,360
everybody at?
So I, I don't know, it's just, I

1309
01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:21,880
don't want to keep talking about
this stuff because it makes it

1310
01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:23,040
sound like we didn't like the
movie.

1311
01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:24,480
And that's not what we're saying
at all.

1312
01:16:24,480 --> 01:16:27,240
Like we actually liked the
movie.

1313
01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:33,400
I just think that it should have
been more about Sam than about

1314
01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:37,960
Ross, right?
Because like you said, he gave

1315
01:16:39,240 --> 01:16:43,840
an amazing performance.
Like I was kind of worried that

1316
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:48,520
with them making a big Captain
America movie, I was kind of

1317
01:16:48,520 --> 01:16:50,920
scared that they were going to
take some of the some of the

1318
01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:54,000
humor and some of the sass out
of Sam, you know, make him a

1319
01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:57,160
more serious Captain America.
And that's that's not what I

1320
01:16:57,160 --> 01:16:59,800
want because that's not what I
expect from Sam Wilson.

1321
01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:05,560
So the fact that the first scene
where he comes in and the guy is

1322
01:17:05,560 --> 01:17:07,320
like, yeah, we need the stealth
mode.

1323
01:17:07,320 --> 01:17:09,720
He was like stealth, oh, you
must be new.

1324
01:17:09,720 --> 01:17:11,200
I said, OK, we're getting the
same.

1325
01:17:11,200 --> 01:17:14,520
Sam when he did the superhero
landing and stood up and he was

1326
01:17:14,520 --> 01:17:17,480
like, wait for it.
And then the, you know, the

1327
01:17:17,480 --> 01:17:19,560
after effects came and he
started fighting.

1328
01:17:19,560 --> 01:17:22,840
I was like, OK, we're getting
Sam Wilson.

1329
01:17:22,840 --> 01:17:26,720
Like the real Sam Wilson and the
way he was throughout the movie,

1330
01:17:26,720 --> 01:17:28,480
he was serious when he needed to
be.

1331
01:17:28,480 --> 01:17:30,560
He was comical when he needed to
be.

1332
01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:32,920
He was a smart ass when he
needed to be.

1333
01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:39,320
He was naive in certain places,
but I felt like that was also

1334
01:17:39,320 --> 01:17:42,160
where he needed to be because
you can't have somebody who's

1335
01:17:42,160 --> 01:17:45,600
just all of a sudden you know,
everything that's going on.

1336
01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:48,560
Especially as we said, Sam is
not a super soldier.

1337
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:51,160
He doesn't have the enhanced
anything.

1338
01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:56,240
So as a human, yeah, he might
mate a error of judgment or two

1339
01:17:56,720 --> 01:18:00,680
and then have to course correct.
And we see that in this in this

1340
01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:03,960
movie, when he's when he's
finally dealing with Sterns,

1341
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:08,720
like this is a moment where you
realize, OK, your smart mouth

1342
01:18:08,720 --> 01:18:11,080
ain't gonna get you out of this.
This man is really smart.

1343
01:18:11,080 --> 01:18:14,840
And this man is really
manipulating some shit to do

1344
01:18:14,840 --> 01:18:19,440
some serious damage.
And when Sam gets serious and

1345
01:18:19,440 --> 01:18:22,880
and figures that out and and
goes to try to fix things like

1346
01:18:23,120 --> 01:18:26,560
this is Sam Wilson.
This is more of what I wanted in

1347
01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:29,240
the film.
You know, the, the flying

1348
01:18:29,240 --> 01:18:34,160
stunts, that battle scene with
the Japanese warships and

1349
01:18:34,160 --> 01:18:38,200
everything that was great.
That was amazing.

1350
01:18:38,840 --> 01:18:40,840
I, I wanted, I just wanted more
of that.

1351
01:18:42,680 --> 01:18:49,600
So, yeah, I, I mean, it's so
like you said, I'm, I, I

1352
01:18:49,600 --> 01:18:53,920
actually feel like I hate how I
said I felt about the movie, but

1353
01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:56,800
that's honestly how I feel.
I enjoyed it.

1354
01:18:56,840 --> 01:18:59,480
I had fun.
It was a great movie, but it's

1355
01:18:59,480 --> 01:19:06,680
just like, I don't know, I want,
I want to say that it's a good

1356
01:19:06,680 --> 01:19:09,720
movie or it's up and I can't say
either one.

1357
01:19:09,720 --> 01:19:12,360
Yeah, I really, I can say it's a
good movie, but I can't say it's

1358
01:19:12,360 --> 01:19:16,320
like a great movie.
It's like, I feel like Infinity

1359
01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:19,640
War and in games spoiled the
fuck out of us 'cause we're

1360
01:19:19,720 --> 01:19:23,960
'cause everybody's expect,
everybody's expecting that level

1361
01:19:23,960 --> 01:19:28,600
of memorable, memorable
performances and excitement.

1362
01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:30,880
And they're they're expecting
that level now.

1363
01:19:31,280 --> 01:19:36,000
And that's hard.
That's fucking hard as hell to

1364
01:19:36,560 --> 01:19:40,000
maintain that.
So it's like we forgot that for

1365
01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:44,600
every movie like that, we have
movies like Ant Man, movies like

1366
01:19:45,080 --> 01:19:47,880
like the first Thor in Thor Dark
World.

1367
01:19:48,040 --> 01:19:50,040
It's like we have movies that
but.

1368
01:19:50,040 --> 01:19:52,160
There's nothing wrong with the
first Thor movie.

1369
01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:56,200
I'm saying but, but I'm saying
they're not like they're not

1370
01:19:56,200 --> 01:20:00,120
like in game, in game level.
You can't tell me that that that

1371
01:20:00,120 --> 01:20:01,280
the first story is in game
level.

1372
01:20:01,280 --> 01:20:04,480
No, I mean, but not, let's be
honest, none of.

1373
01:20:04,560 --> 01:20:06,680
I'm not saying it's bad, I'm
just saying it's not at that

1374
01:20:06,680 --> 01:20:07,880
level.
I'm just saying.

1375
01:20:07,920 --> 01:20:10,520
That, yeah, but not, I don't
think any of the films before

1376
01:20:10,520 --> 01:20:14,360
that were that level.
Right, but we but we're

1377
01:20:14,360 --> 01:20:17,320
expecting that.
We're expecting that or like

1378
01:20:17,320 --> 01:20:20,120
Guardians of the Galaxy level,
like every time out.

1379
01:20:20,400 --> 01:20:24,040
You see what I'm saying is like
that's really hard to do and

1380
01:20:24,040 --> 01:20:26,640
maintain.
It's like you'd have you have to

1381
01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:31,880
really like catch lightning in
the bottle to get to where that

1382
01:20:31,880 --> 01:20:36,080
phase of the of the MCU was.
It's like they were having hit

1383
01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:38,280
after hit after hit.
They were like, I mean, they

1384
01:20:38,280 --> 01:20:41,720
didn't really miss except for
except for things that people

1385
01:20:41,720 --> 01:20:46,640
really didn't care for, like or
they had a problem with how

1386
01:20:46,880 --> 01:20:48,720
things were portrayed, like
Captain Marvel.

1387
01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:52,200
It's like Captain Marvel wasn't,
it wasn't a bad movie.

1388
01:20:52,200 --> 01:20:55,880
It's just like this movie, in my
opinion, it's just like, yeah, I

1389
01:20:55,880 --> 01:20:57,440
kind of have to take it for what
it is.

1390
01:20:57,760 --> 01:21:01,600
And you have to build something
from a certain level.

1391
01:21:01,600 --> 01:21:05,320
You can't just expect it to be
jumped out the park like that.

1392
01:21:05,640 --> 01:21:07,760
So you have to have things that
build up to something.

1393
01:21:08,040 --> 01:21:10,920
And people have been spoiled in
the MCU.

1394
01:21:11,440 --> 01:21:14,680
Yeah, I got you.
So Michelle has just joined us.

1395
01:21:14,680 --> 01:21:19,960
Hi, Michelle.
So we've been discussing Captain

1396
01:21:19,960 --> 01:21:25,320
America for a while.
Let's get your take on the

1397
01:21:25,320 --> 01:21:25,920
movie.
What?

1398
01:21:26,360 --> 01:21:29,240
What did you think about Captain
America, Brave New World?

1399
01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:34,360
I really wanted it to do really,
really well.

1400
01:21:34,760 --> 01:21:38,840
I did.
It's just missing a lot of

1401
01:21:38,840 --> 01:21:41,440
things.
I can't even quite put my finger

1402
01:21:41,440 --> 01:21:46,320
on what it's missing.
But when I close my eyes and

1403
01:21:46,320 --> 01:21:49,760
think about what I got to do
after the movie, that ain't

1404
01:21:49,760 --> 01:21:52,480
great.
And I did that a couple of

1405
01:21:52,480 --> 01:21:55,160
times, OK.
And I don't know if it was our

1406
01:21:55,160 --> 01:21:57,480
movie theater or if it was meant
for.

1407
01:21:57,480 --> 01:22:00,160
Was it dark for you guys?
Did you just talk about that?

1408
01:22:00,520 --> 01:22:03,000
It was kind of dark, but it
could have been.

1409
01:22:04,120 --> 01:22:07,040
I don't need to see it again.
It was dark like Rogue One dark

1410
01:22:07,040 --> 01:22:10,040
when we first saw.
Oh no, no, that had to have been

1411
01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:10,800
your theater.
Because.

1412
01:22:11,320 --> 01:22:14,480
It it wasn't that dark, but it,
it just like it wasn't bright,

1413
01:22:15,320 --> 01:22:20,960
it it wasn't bright at all.
So that could lead to it, but it

1414
01:22:20,960 --> 01:22:25,280
was just missing some components
and I really wanted it to focus

1415
01:22:25,280 --> 01:22:32,840
more on Sam than the dad
general.

1416
01:22:33,360 --> 01:22:38,120
OK, so so you, you basically
feel the same way that we the,

1417
01:22:38,160 --> 01:22:41,120
the majority of us, I think
Casey, Casey is the exception.

1418
01:22:41,120 --> 01:22:44,480
We were all like it felt.
It felt like an Incredible Hulk

1419
01:22:44,480 --> 01:22:46,320
sequel instead of a Captain
America.

1420
01:22:46,320 --> 01:22:47,600
Right, right.
It did.

1421
01:22:47,600 --> 01:22:49,760
And then when we left the
movies, I thought, you know

1422
01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:53,600
what, if they didn't ever do the
show on Disney Plus, they could

1423
01:22:53,600 --> 01:22:56,280
have turned the show into a
movie and that would have been

1424
01:22:56,280 --> 01:22:59,720
it.
And becoming Captain America.

1425
01:22:59,720 --> 01:23:01,880
And I think that would have been
a better movie.

1426
01:23:01,880 --> 01:23:05,680
And then you can go into.
This movie, right it it would

1427
01:23:05,680 --> 01:23:07,720
have been kind of like an origin
story like.

1428
01:23:07,800 --> 01:23:09,720
Right for him like.
The First Avenger.

1429
01:23:09,960 --> 01:23:12,920
Right, because he did pull the
same components out of the TV

1430
01:23:12,920 --> 01:23:15,000
show of the struggling.
Is he worthy?

1431
01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:17,920
Is he?
You know, you know, I was about

1432
01:23:17,920 --> 01:23:20,200
to say something that didn't
say, you know, not that he's not

1433
01:23:20,200 --> 01:23:22,480
ADI higher.
Like, you know, he was just

1434
01:23:22,480 --> 01:23:25,280
trying to, you know, yeah,
figure out if he should be Cap

1435
01:23:25,280 --> 01:23:27,760
America.
That should have been the TV

1436
01:23:27,760 --> 01:23:29,040
series, should have been the
movie.

1437
01:23:30,520 --> 01:23:33,240
You think what a lot of NCU fans
are thinking it's like, I mean,

1438
01:23:33,280 --> 01:23:35,680
they thought that from from the
end of end game they're like, oh

1439
01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:37,680
God, why?
Why the black guy?

1440
01:23:37,680 --> 01:23:40,560
But he's right there and that
and that their opinion still

1441
01:23:40,560 --> 01:23:44,600
holds to this day of that.
And it's like through Falcon and

1442
01:23:44,600 --> 01:23:47,720
Winter Soldier, they're like,
oh, this is so fucking woke.

1443
01:23:47,760 --> 01:23:50,920
Oh my God, can I be but.
See, Bucky wouldn't be a great

1444
01:23:50,920 --> 01:23:52,000
fit for captain.
Right now and.

1445
01:23:52,640 --> 01:23:55,840
Because you're.
Right though even though Bucky

1446
01:23:55,840 --> 01:23:59,560
was not in control of the things
he did as The Winter Soldier, he

1447
01:23:59,560 --> 01:24:03,640
was still The Winter Soldier.
And one thing about the whole

1448
01:24:03,640 --> 01:24:10,160
Captain America mantle is Steve
Rogers was for the most part,

1449
01:24:10,160 --> 01:24:14,480
pure at heart.
He had a very clear sense of

1450
01:24:14,480 --> 01:24:16,400
what was right and what was
wrong.

1451
01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:19,440
And he went with that no matter
who it pissed off.

1452
01:24:19,440 --> 01:24:23,560
Because even though he started
out, you know, when he came

1453
01:24:23,560 --> 01:24:26,160
back, he was he was a SHIELD
soldier.

1454
01:24:26,160 --> 01:24:28,280
He was like, yeah, SHIELD is
doing this, SHIELD is doing

1455
01:24:28,280 --> 01:24:32,080
that.
But when when Tony started

1456
01:24:32,080 --> 01:24:35,560
pointing out, hey, so yeah, this
is what SHIELD is doing behind

1457
01:24:35,560 --> 01:24:38,040
the scenes.
They're trying to create weapons

1458
01:24:38,040 --> 01:24:41,400
and they're doing this thing was
like, I'm not about to be a part

1459
01:24:41,400 --> 01:24:44,680
of this.
And Sam, I feel like is the same

1460
01:24:44,680 --> 01:24:47,240
way.
Sam is being has a very clear

1461
01:24:47,240 --> 01:24:51,480
sense of right and wrong and him
being a black man, he

1462
01:24:51,480 --> 01:24:55,320
understands what's fair and
what's not and how the world is

1463
01:24:55,320 --> 01:24:58,800
in balanced in that way.
I think that makes him like a

1464
01:24:58,880 --> 01:25:01,360
perfect.
Candidate Sam has always been

1465
01:25:01,440 --> 01:25:03,960
the perfect fit for.
Yeah, yeah.

1466
01:25:04,720 --> 01:25:07,080
However, they just.
I just wanted it to.

1467
01:25:07,560 --> 01:25:09,960
To just do well.
And it just, it was just

1468
01:25:09,960 --> 01:25:11,840
missing.
But a lot of their movies lately

1469
01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:13,200
has been missing things.
Yeah.

1470
01:25:13,720 --> 01:25:18,240
So, yeah.
But I mean, like I said, we,

1471
01:25:18,240 --> 01:25:21,160
we've been we've been talking
mostly about the the hits or

1472
01:25:21,160 --> 01:25:23,640
misses with this.
And, and a lot of what we've

1473
01:25:23,760 --> 01:25:26,640
been saying is about the fact
that it focused a lot on

1474
01:25:26,640 --> 01:25:32,440
Thunderbolt Ross and hit the the
consequences of his past actions

1475
01:25:32,440 --> 01:25:35,200
and how Sam is having to come in
and clean it up.

1476
01:25:35,680 --> 01:25:38,200
Right, His relationship with his
daughter and, you know, trying

1477
01:25:38,200 --> 01:25:41,120
to change and convincing people
of changing while he's doing

1478
01:25:41,400 --> 01:25:43,960
some bad stuff.
Right, because you can't tell

1479
01:25:43,960 --> 01:25:48,120
people that you've changed, but
you still got Sterns locked up.

1480
01:25:50,480 --> 01:25:56,880
OK, So I think we pretty much
have have said what we didn't I

1481
01:25:56,880 --> 01:25:59,920
won't say didn't like about the
film, just the things that we

1482
01:25:59,920 --> 01:26:03,800
felt were kind of lacking as far
as it being a Captain America

1483
01:26:03,800 --> 01:26:06,920
film and not an Incredible Hulk
sequel.

1484
01:26:07,280 --> 01:26:13,240
But what was your favorite scene
in the movie?

1485
01:26:13,240 --> 01:26:16,080
Like what just made you happy?
What made you smile?

1486
01:26:16,080 --> 01:26:18,720
I know y'all already know what
mine was so it's.

1487
01:26:19,160 --> 01:26:22,920
Probably the same as mine, but
yeah it was lucky.

1488
01:26:23,440 --> 01:26:27,040
And any reference to their
relationship, 'cause even at the

1489
01:26:27,080 --> 01:26:29,680
end of fighting, when he said,
man, I should have listened to

1490
01:26:29,680 --> 01:26:34,640
Bucky, I should have took the
cigarette like that.

1491
01:26:35,000 --> 01:26:37,960
Their relationship, their
chemistry is fantastic.

1492
01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:41,640
Yes, I, I, I love that part
'cause like when he was sitting

1493
01:26:41,640 --> 01:26:45,400
there watching Joaquin in
surgery and you hear the steps

1494
01:26:45,400 --> 01:26:47,880
come, come behind.
Now I'm the, I'm the person.

1495
01:26:47,880 --> 01:26:51,480
I'm so into the movie.
I'm not even thinking who this

1496
01:26:51,480 --> 01:26:55,480
could, who this could be.
So when he says this is a

1497
01:26:55,480 --> 01:26:59,200
private room and there's no
response, and then they do that

1498
01:26:59,240 --> 01:27:03,360
angle where you see Sam and then
it comes forward and you see

1499
01:27:03,360 --> 01:27:05,480
Bucky.
When I say my whole theater

1500
01:27:05,600 --> 01:27:10,680
cheered, we were all like, I was
like, I don't care if he's in

1501
01:27:10,680 --> 01:27:13,440
here for two seconds.
The fact that I see them on

1502
01:27:13,440 --> 01:27:16,120
screen together again, that made
my whole night.

1503
01:27:16,120 --> 01:27:19,480
I was like, the rest of this
movie could suck and I would be

1504
01:27:19,480 --> 01:27:24,160
fine because I got to see Bucky
and Sam on screen together.

1505
01:27:24,240 --> 01:27:27,280
It was, it was amazing.
I loved it.

1506
01:27:28,360 --> 01:27:33,240
Yeah, just because I really like
his character and I like the

1507
01:27:33,240 --> 01:27:34,960
fact that he's getting another
run.

1508
01:27:35,840 --> 01:27:39,640
I really loved everything that
Carl Lumley would that Isaiah

1509
01:27:39,640 --> 01:27:45,520
was in like I really did because
especially like in in the gym

1510
01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:48,640
when they when they were doing
training, that was awesome.

1511
01:27:49,120 --> 01:27:51,160
It's like, and while he was
like, who is this?

1512
01:27:51,160 --> 01:27:54,120
And he and he did the cap
punching bag off the chain

1513
01:27:54,120 --> 01:27:57,120
thing.
He was like, oh, and I what was

1514
01:27:57,320 --> 01:27:59,600
he?
Calling him old timer or.

1515
01:28:00,600 --> 01:28:03,600
OG.
He called him OG, but he called

1516
01:28:03,600 --> 01:28:07,680
him something else.
And I was looking at him like,

1517
01:28:07,680 --> 01:28:11,320
dude, this is the wrong thing to
say to the wrong person.

1518
01:28:11,320 --> 01:28:17,160
But I loved it that that kind of
built their rapport because

1519
01:28:17,160 --> 01:28:20,840
again, you see Sam and Joaquin
and you see just the kind of

1520
01:28:20,840 --> 01:28:24,840
banter that they have and the
fact that they brought Isaiah

1521
01:28:24,840 --> 01:28:28,720
into that and they kind of
formed this little trio of them.

1522
01:28:28,920 --> 01:28:32,480
I love that.
I was like, see, that's we could

1523
01:28:32,480 --> 01:28:35,080
have dealt with more of that.
Like they could have had

1524
01:28:35,080 --> 01:28:38,400
another, they could have had
another conflict with Isaiah

1525
01:28:38,400 --> 01:28:42,960
Bradley and the mind control
thing, and they could have kept

1526
01:28:42,960 --> 01:28:45,920
that and it would have been, you
know, a continuation of Falcon

1527
01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:48,720
and The Winter Soldier.
But I I, yeah, I do love that,

1528
01:28:48,720 --> 01:28:50,000
that friendship.
It it.

1529
01:28:50,520 --> 01:28:55,440
Wasn't my favorite scene but at
the end when he caught when Sam

1530
01:28:55,440 --> 01:28:58,400
called him a grumpy old man and
he was like say it again.

1531
01:29:00,840 --> 01:29:03,160
And Sam was like, he was like,
ha, ha, ha.

1532
01:29:03,200 --> 01:29:04,880
I got you.
I got you, Yeah.

1533
01:29:05,680 --> 01:29:08,080
I love him even though we saw it
in the trailers.

1534
01:29:08,080 --> 01:29:12,280
My favorite scene will always be
when the guy's like you going to

1535
01:29:12,280 --> 01:29:15,040
go stealth mode?
He's like, you must be new.

1536
01:29:15,040 --> 01:29:18,960
You must be new.
Must be new.

1537
01:29:18,960 --> 01:29:21,120
And he goes down and and he
lands.

1538
01:29:21,360 --> 01:29:23,640
Wait for it.
Yeah, that.

1539
01:29:23,640 --> 01:29:25,520
That yeah, I love.
I love the I love they showed

1540
01:29:25,760 --> 01:29:29,680
like the Wakanda, like the vibe,
the vibranium effect in his suit

1541
01:29:30,040 --> 01:29:32,480
where everybody was like air,
'cause everybody saw the saw

1542
01:29:32,560 --> 01:29:34,840
where he landed and were like,
oh, you should have broken his

1543
01:29:34,840 --> 01:29:37,120
leg.
No, no, no, no, I'm like, what

1544
01:29:37,120 --> 01:29:38,840
the fuck are the SUS made of
vibranium?

1545
01:29:39,360 --> 01:29:42,880
Like it's, it absorbs every it
absorbs shock that it absorbs

1546
01:29:42,880 --> 01:29:44,720
like impact.
That's this whole thing.

1547
01:29:45,120 --> 01:29:49,360
And then when he when he did
like the, the, the aura coming

1548
01:29:49,360 --> 01:29:52,640
like like when he slammed it
down and the purple came out and

1549
01:29:52,640 --> 01:29:54,640
like knocked everybody out like
like black Panthers.

1550
01:29:54,760 --> 01:29:59,120
And I was like, see, I, I, I was
half expecting to see Shuri in

1551
01:29:59,120 --> 01:30:03,040
this too.
Like like when, like when, when

1552
01:30:03,200 --> 01:30:06,720
he when he messed up his suit or
like this or if I were to seen

1553
01:30:07,040 --> 01:30:10,360
IO or somebody come and be like
you need to stop, stop

1554
01:30:10,360 --> 01:30:14,160
destroying the fucking suit.
I thought we would have seen

1555
01:30:14,160 --> 01:30:18,160
something towards the end
because Joaquin asked Sam.

1556
01:30:18,400 --> 01:30:21,200
He was like, you know, the
suit's been destroyed.

1557
01:30:21,200 --> 01:30:24,400
Maybe you can call in a favor
gets, you know, get the Wakandas

1558
01:30:24,400 --> 01:30:26,760
to do another suit.
I was like, that wasn't Sam,

1559
01:30:26,760 --> 01:30:28,560
that was Bucky.
They did the favor for Bucky.

1560
01:30:29,160 --> 01:30:32,880
So no, Sam is not the one with
the connections to Wakanda.

1561
01:30:32,960 --> 01:30:34,280
That's Bucky.
Right.

1562
01:30:34,360 --> 01:30:38,120
But yeah, that that would.
But he say you, you want to you,

1563
01:30:38,200 --> 01:30:40,120
you want to ask the Wakandas for
a hookup.

1564
01:30:40,840 --> 01:30:42,880
Right.
That's the most Miami thing

1565
01:30:42,880 --> 01:30:45,400
ever.
True.

1566
01:30:46,000 --> 01:30:48,320
Yeah.
Casey, since you got kicked off

1567
01:30:48,320 --> 01:30:50,520
and are coming back, we're
talking about our favorite

1568
01:30:50,520 --> 01:30:52,520
scenes from the movie.
What was your favorite?

1569
01:30:57,000 --> 01:31:03,600
Probably my favorite was when he
was fighting and his suit like

1570
01:31:04,840 --> 01:31:07,680
the vibranium turned purple.
That's what I just said.

1571
01:31:08,440 --> 01:31:11,760
But I'm mad he didn't do it more
than once because I was waiting

1572
01:31:11,760 --> 01:31:14,680
for that again like he was
fighting.

1573
01:31:15,480 --> 01:31:19,760
He did.
It twice he should have.

1574
01:31:20,360 --> 01:31:24,800
Done it more with that one wing.
Yes.

1575
01:31:25,480 --> 01:31:28,000
But I was like, I kept waiting
for him to use it because like

1576
01:31:28,040 --> 01:31:31,640
that's I like that.
But oh, Speaking of which, I'm

1577
01:31:31,640 --> 01:31:35,520
tired of Red Wing being
disrespected in this one.

1578
01:31:35,640 --> 01:31:38,680
You're getting that one, but two
of them get destroyed.

1579
01:31:39,080 --> 01:31:41,680
Yeah, I'm going to stop
disrespect the Red Wing.

1580
01:31:42,320 --> 01:31:46,400
They need to be a little more
indestructible.

1581
01:31:47,560 --> 01:31:49,200
Well, this.
Maybe they'll be made of

1582
01:31:49,280 --> 01:31:52,520
adamantium next time.
Yeah, yeah.

1583
01:31:52,880 --> 01:31:55,000
OK.
So since you brought adamantium

1584
01:31:55,000 --> 01:32:00,960
up, how are we feeling about the
way that they are introducing

1585
01:32:00,960 --> 01:32:04,800
adamantium into the MCU it?
Sucks because adamantium is

1586
01:32:04,800 --> 01:32:08,960
supposed to be rare and.
Well, I mean a whole.

1587
01:32:09,160 --> 01:32:12,480
So let's here's a whole man
coming out of the planet.

1588
01:32:12,520 --> 01:32:19,400
No, that is a lot of adamantium
and, and, and Japan was able to

1589
01:32:19,400 --> 01:32:21,440
refine it, which means they're
going to be able to refine it

1590
01:32:21,440 --> 01:32:24,000
more.
And you know, I'm not saying

1591
01:32:24,000 --> 01:32:26,720
it's taken away from the value
of the vibranium because

1592
01:32:26,720 --> 01:32:30,720
vibranium is still vibranium,
but I'm just saying adamantium

1593
01:32:30,720 --> 01:32:33,000
is supposed to be rare in the
Marvel.

1594
01:32:34,160 --> 01:32:36,680
Well, I think.
But this is that's a lot of

1595
01:32:36,720 --> 01:32:38,320
adamantium.
Well.

1596
01:32:38,560 --> 01:32:41,320
Are we sure that the whole thing
is made of adamantium?

1597
01:32:41,320 --> 01:32:42,080
Yes.
OK.

1598
01:32:42,280 --> 01:32:44,960
Yes, Oh, I think, I think, I
think that they that they were

1599
01:32:44,960 --> 01:32:48,440
saying that they were mining it,
which means that it's not like

1600
01:32:48,440 --> 01:32:51,520
the whole finger like the like
for example, the hand coming out

1601
01:32:51,760 --> 01:32:53,400
the whole finger is not
adamantium.

1602
01:32:53,400 --> 01:32:56,560
They actually have to they
actually have to drill into it

1603
01:32:56,560 --> 01:33:00,360
to get to the adamantium.
So the whole the whole thing's

1604
01:33:00,360 --> 01:33:01,440
not animate.
They actually have to.

1605
01:33:01,440 --> 01:33:03,480
There may not.
Be a a lot of it I.

1606
01:33:04,440 --> 01:33:06,440
Just don't like I was introduced
though.

1607
01:33:06,760 --> 01:33:10,240
Like the bone like like like
like for lack of a better word.

1608
01:33:10,240 --> 01:33:13,640
The bones of the hand are
adamantium, but like the

1609
01:33:13,640 --> 01:33:15,480
outside.
Skeleton or or whatever.

1610
01:33:15,640 --> 01:33:20,760
OK, right.
Or the marrow I just don't like.

1611
01:33:20,760 --> 01:33:22,920
I was introduced because you
kind of threw shade at the

1612
01:33:22,920 --> 01:33:24,120
Wacom.
Yeah, I heard that too.

1613
01:33:24,400 --> 01:33:26,360
Like yeah, this.
Is better than vibrating.

1614
01:33:26,360 --> 01:33:29,200
Excuse me, hump the brakes,
right?

1615
01:33:29,200 --> 01:33:31,320
And you know they keep it all to
themselves.

1616
01:33:32,200 --> 01:33:34,640
But is Mark fucking land?
Yeah.

1617
01:33:36,280 --> 01:33:37,280
I don't have.
I don't have to share.

1618
01:33:37,520 --> 01:33:40,640
Yeah, it's like in the way the
way Ross said that shit.

1619
01:33:40,640 --> 01:33:43,600
I was like, then we have to
wait, have a or what kind of

1620
01:33:43,600 --> 01:33:46,680
third world country like
hoarding that or something like

1621
01:33:46,680 --> 01:33:51,160
that.
Yeah, I was like, hold on, like

1622
01:33:51,160 --> 01:33:53,680
I would like.
You have to remember they still

1623
01:33:53,680 --> 01:33:57,840
don't know the true, the true
state of Wakanda.

1624
01:33:57,840 --> 01:34:01,640
Like they don't know what
Wakanda really looks like and

1625
01:34:01,640 --> 01:34:04,040
about the technological advances
or anything.

1626
01:34:04,280 --> 01:34:07,000
They still like if they were to
go to Wakanda right now, they

1627
01:34:07,000 --> 01:34:11,240
will still see just the
homesteads and the farms.

1628
01:34:11,280 --> 01:34:14,960
And so, so as far as they're
concerned, yes, Wakanda is a

1629
01:34:14,960 --> 01:34:18,680
third world country and.
Well, that didn't that part

1630
01:34:18,680 --> 01:34:20,360
didn't bother me.
It was the part that you just

1631
01:34:20,360 --> 01:34:23,400
saying like we supposed to just
give you all of our material.

1632
01:34:23,440 --> 01:34:25,680
I'm sorry that we're forting it.
Yeah, we are.

1633
01:34:25,680 --> 01:34:28,800
Yeah, because y'all have already
proven that y'all can't be

1634
01:34:28,800 --> 01:34:30,280
trusted with shit.
I mean.

1635
01:34:30,360 --> 01:34:30,880
Thank you.
Right.

1636
01:34:31,920 --> 01:34:35,160
Yeah, so.
OK, the French are back at it

1637
01:34:35,160 --> 01:34:37,400
again.
These motherfuckers from what

1638
01:34:37,400 --> 01:34:40,160
come from being the what kind of
forever trying to rob, trying to

1639
01:34:40,160 --> 01:34:43,880
steal vibranium and getting
handled to coming over here

1640
01:34:43,880 --> 01:34:46,080
trying to trying to take
advantage of all the fucking

1641
01:34:46,080 --> 01:34:48,720
adamanium too.
I'm like why why why the French

1642
01:34:48,720 --> 01:34:50,320
company here causing all this
shit?

1643
01:34:50,400 --> 01:34:52,200
Well, at least we didn't see
Battrock this time.

1644
01:34:54,480 --> 01:34:56,240
That's like a Battrock over
there, probably kicking the

1645
01:34:56,240 --> 01:34:57,680
finger trying to trying to bite
it.

1646
01:34:57,920 --> 01:35:00,920
Now he should be dead.
He I think, 'cause Sharon killed

1647
01:35:00,920 --> 01:35:04,720
him in in Falcon in The Winter
Soldier, so he shouldn't.

1648
01:35:04,720 --> 01:35:06,400
Be dead.
How about stays dead in the

1649
01:35:06,400 --> 01:35:07,240
comics?
Please He.

1650
01:35:09,000 --> 01:35:12,680
Doesn't see a box.
Yes, we did see a body.

1651
01:35:12,760 --> 01:35:16,640
We saw him lying on the ground.
Now we didn't see him get taken

1652
01:35:16,640 --> 01:35:19,360
away.
We saw him besides me here's

1653
01:35:20,240 --> 01:35:21,480
body besides.
Me here's body too.

1654
01:35:21,480 --> 01:35:24,080
Well, you know, but that's what
happens when you're being

1655
01:35:24,080 --> 01:35:35,600
duplicated by a scroll.
OK, OK, I'm trying to think

1656
01:35:35,600 --> 01:35:38,600
other favorite moments.
Besides Bucky, of course.

1657
01:35:39,520 --> 01:35:43,120
I love, I love the
transformation of into the red

1658
01:35:43,120 --> 01:35:46,080
hole because I thought I thought
they did that.

1659
01:35:46,560 --> 01:35:49,560
I loved it.
I love, I love, I love how they

1660
01:35:49,560 --> 01:35:54,200
explained how he got the
radiation into a system that I

1661
01:35:54,200 --> 01:35:56,200
was like that.
But I was thinking I was I was

1662
01:35:56,200 --> 01:36:00,720
thinking like really?
You didn't think that you it.

1663
01:36:01,080 --> 01:36:04,040
That's what I was thinking.
I was like, this is a man that

1664
01:36:04,040 --> 01:36:06,960
you have been keeping captive
and you really went to him

1665
01:36:06,960 --> 01:36:09,760
thinking that he was going to
help you out and there weren't

1666
01:36:09,760 --> 01:36:14,000
going to be any consequences.
Like again, I'm I'm wondering

1667
01:36:14,000 --> 01:36:17,640
how this man got chosen
president like, and I know he

1668
01:36:17,640 --> 01:36:19,840
was.
He was desperate and he was

1669
01:36:20,120 --> 01:36:22,640
dying.
Yeah, and he convinced him that

1670
01:36:22,640 --> 01:36:26,680
if you help me when I become
president, yeah, I will this.

1671
01:36:27,120 --> 01:36:29,680
Is basically Aladdin.
It's like he he was the genie.

1672
01:36:29,680 --> 01:36:33,680
He's like he's probably probably
singing, singing to Mr. Mr.

1673
01:36:33,680 --> 01:36:36,560
General Rod, Sir, I'll feel your
heart right now.

1674
01:36:37,000 --> 01:36:43,400
I'm like, and then and then he
was like, he was like, I'm going

1675
01:36:43,400 --> 01:36:46,600
to free Samuel Sterns anytime.
It's like I can't free you.

1676
01:36:47,280 --> 01:36:49,440
He's like, you know, this is
basically this is basically a

1677
01:36:49,440 --> 01:36:52,080
Latin.
It was like, damn well, I mean,

1678
01:36:52,120 --> 01:36:55,640
why did why did he trust him?
I'm like you say, oh, here,

1679
01:36:55,640 --> 01:36:58,120
these will heal your heart.
Just keep taking those, but

1680
01:36:58,120 --> 01:37:02,120
don't take too many.
And I'm like, soon as he takes

1681
01:37:02,120 --> 01:37:04,360
too many.
And and of course, he probably

1682
01:37:04,360 --> 01:37:08,520
he orchestrated the reporters to
ask him the questions to get him

1683
01:37:08,520 --> 01:37:10,880
riled up.
And then next thing you know,

1684
01:37:11,280 --> 01:37:14,640
here he is.
And I and I was like when he

1685
01:37:14,880 --> 01:37:18,040
when his hand hit, hit the
ground and burned the carpet.

1686
01:37:18,040 --> 01:37:22,480
I was like, oh.
Yeah, I was like, oh, it's about

1687
01:37:22,480 --> 01:37:24,960
to be dangerous.
And I love the fact that even

1688
01:37:24,960 --> 01:37:28,120
while he was trying to fight
him, Sam is trying to talk him

1689
01:37:28,120 --> 01:37:30,240
down.
He was like, Oh well, that damn.

1690
01:37:31,560 --> 01:37:34,280
Yeah, 'cause he's still Sam.
It's like, I mean, he, he could,

1691
01:37:34,280 --> 01:37:36,760
he could talk, he could talk
down the gamma, gamma rage,

1692
01:37:36,760 --> 01:37:39,400
Godzilla hope, but he can't talk
down the red hope.

1693
01:37:39,400 --> 01:37:39,760
So.
Oh.

1694
01:37:41,560 --> 01:37:44,200
My God, I.
Forgot about that.

1695
01:37:44,200 --> 01:37:45,480
And what?
If yeah.

1696
01:37:46,520 --> 01:37:51,120
But yeah, I'm so I'm I'm gonna
impress that I think Sam is

1697
01:37:51,120 --> 01:37:55,560
probably 1 most impressive
impressive superheroes from

1698
01:37:55,560 --> 01:38:00,120
living period because he should
have been red hoax should have

1699
01:38:00,120 --> 01:38:01,680
decimated him.
There's no.

1700
01:38:02,800 --> 01:38:05,600
I think if he didn't have that
vibranium suit, he would have

1701
01:38:05,600 --> 01:38:08,080
been dead.
That vibranium suit helped him a

1702
01:38:08,080 --> 01:38:11,760
lot because it I think it
absorbed a lot of the blows.

1703
01:38:13,560 --> 01:38:15,320
Yeah, that fight, that fight was
crazy.

1704
01:38:15,360 --> 01:38:18,800
I was just like, how are you
still like, oh God, like you

1705
01:38:18,800 --> 01:38:21,680
should be deader than Dickens.
Like you should be like a a

1706
01:38:21,680 --> 01:38:26,560
smear.
Well, well, well, you know, what

1707
01:38:26,560 --> 01:38:30,440
we really know about the Hulk is
Ross is still there.

1708
01:38:30,920 --> 01:38:33,280
So on some level he didn't
really want to kill him.

1709
01:38:33,280 --> 01:38:36,680
Ross, you know, he, he, he was
just.

1710
01:38:37,400 --> 01:38:39,680
Ross never liked him.
He he locked him up in a raft

1711
01:38:39,680 --> 01:38:40,720
and shit.
So he.

1712
01:38:41,200 --> 01:38:43,600
Yeah, but I don't.
That wasn't necessarily because

1713
01:38:43,600 --> 01:38:45,560
he didn't like them.
That was because he broke the

1714
01:38:45,560 --> 01:38:48,000
law or he broke, you know, the
Accords.

1715
01:38:48,880 --> 01:38:55,600
So but I, I think also with
Ross, it wasn't also it, it

1716
01:38:55,600 --> 01:38:59,120
wasn't just about the fact that
he didn't want to hurt him.

1717
01:38:59,800 --> 01:39:04,320
I think he was just so upset
because once you look, once he

1718
01:39:04,320 --> 01:39:08,040
looked in the mirror and he saw
what he had become, it's kind of

1719
01:39:08,040 --> 01:39:12,840
like all of your mistakes, all
of your past mistakes are right

1720
01:39:12,840 --> 01:39:14,200
there looking at you in the
mirror.

1721
01:39:14,800 --> 01:39:20,080
And now you understand what
Bruce went through all those

1722
01:39:20,080 --> 01:39:23,640
years ago when he had the same
thing happened to him.

1723
01:39:23,640 --> 01:39:26,440
And you, you went on a manhunt
from him for him.

1724
01:39:26,640 --> 01:39:29,680
You tried to kill him.
You chased him across borders

1725
01:39:29,680 --> 01:39:33,720
and all this other stuff.
And like, you got to think at

1726
01:39:33,720 --> 01:39:38,400
some, at some point in his head,
he's thinking back to what Betty

1727
01:39:38,400 --> 01:39:40,320
said is like, he can't control
this.

1728
01:39:40,320 --> 01:39:43,680
You did this to him because
technically speaking, he did

1729
01:39:43,880 --> 01:39:45,560
kind of, sort of create.
Spark.

1730
01:39:46,080 --> 01:39:49,360
So it's like just dealing with
all of that.

1731
01:39:49,640 --> 01:39:52,880
I I'm sure it was probably
making him upset as well.

1732
01:39:53,560 --> 01:39:56,840
This is why I'm surprised we
didn't see Bruce C Banner in

1733
01:39:56,840 --> 01:40:01,240
this again because we already
have him figuring out how to

1734
01:40:01,240 --> 01:40:04,480
become smart Hulk where he could
control his thing.

1735
01:40:04,480 --> 01:40:06,720
I'm surprised you didn't see him
showing up at the Raft saying

1736
01:40:07,280 --> 01:40:10,640
hey Ross, need some help and
then.

1737
01:40:10,960 --> 01:40:14,840
Because in the because in the
comic books, the Red Hulk

1738
01:40:14,920 --> 01:40:18,840
actually can talk, if I'm not,
if I'm not mistaken, like he

1739
01:40:18,840 --> 01:40:23,240
actually has control over
himself to a degree where he can

1740
01:40:23,240 --> 01:40:26,320
actually still be General Ross
and lead the team.

1741
01:40:26,760 --> 01:40:31,600
And like, you know, so he's so
he's now he really needs to

1742
01:40:31,600 --> 01:40:35,160
learn that.
So who better to teach him then

1743
01:40:35,160 --> 01:40:37,080
Bruce?
Yeah, I'm sorry, Bruce.

1744
01:40:37,120 --> 01:40:41,400
Bruce might still hold a grudge.
I would probably but.

1745
01:40:41,960 --> 01:40:47,440
Then you know.
No, he, he, you got to send, you

1746
01:40:47,440 --> 01:40:52,440
got to send Jennifer because you
know she ultimately is in

1747
01:40:52,480 --> 01:40:54,360
control.
With yeah, but yeah.

1748
01:40:54,360 --> 01:40:56,040
But he's not a woman, so he
can't really.

1749
01:40:56,680 --> 01:41:01,680
He's not, you know.
That was very sexist it.

1750
01:41:02,080 --> 01:41:04,600
Was it was said in the series
don't get, don't, don't come for

1751
01:41:04,600 --> 01:41:07,080
me?
No, said in the series.

1752
01:41:07,160 --> 01:41:10,200
Don't, don't, don't.
I didn't watch the series.

1753
01:41:11,040 --> 01:41:12,200
You know what?
We're not gonna.

1754
01:41:12,280 --> 01:41:14,000
We're not getting into that
conversation.

1755
01:41:14,040 --> 01:41:15,680
No, we are not getting into
that.

1756
01:41:15,960 --> 01:41:18,280
We haven't done she OK, have we?
No, we haven't.

1757
01:41:18,520 --> 01:41:23,560
Ready, I'm I'm fucking ready.
No, no, but I I think I think

1758
01:41:23,560 --> 01:41:26,240
that this would be a that would
have been a perfect opportunity

1759
01:41:26,240 --> 01:41:31,160
to either to do have someone
come in even to have because

1760
01:41:33,080 --> 01:41:35,440
shout out to Eric boss and new
rock stars.

1761
01:41:35,680 --> 01:41:39,760
There was a deleted scene where
they introduced Amadeus Cho

1762
01:41:39,920 --> 01:41:43,480
where he was supposed to be the
friend that the army guy had to

1763
01:41:43,600 --> 01:41:48,800
see what was in those pills.
He was, he was supposed to be

1764
01:41:48,800 --> 01:41:51,960
the friend, so that could
indict, do something as choke.

1765
01:41:52,400 --> 01:41:54,840
The one that was on the phone
with him telling him like where

1766
01:41:54,840 --> 01:41:56,560
the hell did you get these?
Yeah, that was supposed to be

1767
01:41:56,560 --> 01:42:00,360
Amadeus Choke.
Who is the Awesome Hulk in the

1768
01:42:00,400 --> 01:42:01,360
Champions?
Yeah.

1769
01:42:02,840 --> 01:42:05,560
OK.
And the smartest person in.

1770
01:42:05,800 --> 01:42:07,240
Well, the second smartest person
in.

1771
01:42:07,360 --> 01:42:10,400
OK, Marvel Comics.
OK, now do we?

1772
01:42:10,600 --> 01:42:13,560
Did you guys talk about Ruth?
Very, very.

1773
01:42:13,880 --> 01:42:17,360
Go ahead, you too.
No pun intended.

1774
01:42:18,960 --> 01:42:21,680
Well, I also had a that's
another that's.

1775
01:42:21,680 --> 01:42:23,480
See, this is a problem.
We're to my highlights.

1776
01:42:23,480 --> 01:42:27,280
I had a problem because I was
like, so we're trying to now

1777
01:42:27,720 --> 01:42:31,200
replace Black Widow because you
had to have her straight from

1778
01:42:31,200 --> 01:42:33,400
the same area and stuff.
I didn't care for that.

1779
01:42:33,640 --> 01:42:37,080
That's just my opinion.
Well, it was it, it I guess like

1780
01:42:37,080 --> 01:42:40,840
they were saying it was better
than her being Israeli and

1781
01:42:40,840 --> 01:42:44,840
fighting on those forces.
I think that's why they changed

1782
01:42:44,840 --> 01:42:48,440
it, because of all of the stuff.
Going on with the Yeah, the

1783
01:42:48,520 --> 01:42:52,360
character's name was Sabra.
Yeah, yeah.

1784
01:42:53,440 --> 01:42:56,360
It could just be Ruth and she
just worked really hard and

1785
01:42:56,360 --> 01:42:59,120
she's a great fighter.
I just she has to be like Black.

1786
01:42:59,120 --> 01:43:00,560
Widow.
Yeah, but they, I mean they had.

1787
01:43:01,400 --> 01:43:07,320
You don't have to.
I mean, she can have that job.

1788
01:43:07,520 --> 01:43:09,040
I'm OK with that.
I'm OK.

1789
01:43:09,200 --> 01:43:12,120
She can fight.
She could have training, but it

1790
01:43:12,120 --> 01:43:16,120
don't have to be like she's from
the same as Black Widow.

1791
01:43:16,120 --> 01:43:18,120
I just felt like you were trying
to do a replacement, that's all.

1792
01:43:18,120 --> 01:43:23,680
Well, no, I mean it could.
It could just be Fallout or, you

1793
01:43:23,680 --> 01:43:28,720
know, kind of like if you think
about Black Widow, they released

1794
01:43:28,760 --> 01:43:33,160
all of the all of the widows
that were being held by and

1795
01:43:33,160 --> 01:43:37,120
controlled by what's his name.
So she could have been part of

1796
01:43:37,120 --> 01:43:39,120
that, like, OK.
She could have what?

1797
01:43:39,120 --> 01:43:40,480
What other other show do we
have?

1798
01:43:40,720 --> 01:43:42,960
Any from anybody from?
Huh.

1799
01:43:44,280 --> 01:43:46,040
I mean, she's been released long
time ago.

1800
01:43:46,040 --> 01:43:47,920
All those women were released
long time ago.

1801
01:43:48,280 --> 01:43:50,760
Do we have any other shows that
they're from the same area?

1802
01:43:50,760 --> 01:43:52,360
Any other well.
We, we don't know.

1803
01:43:52,760 --> 01:43:55,640
I mean there could, there could
be a few in Thunderbolts, maybe

1804
01:43:56,360 --> 01:44:00,800
we have what, what I'm trying to
say is that was a long time ago.

1805
01:44:00,800 --> 01:44:03,240
And if we did that, we should
start leading up.

1806
01:44:03,240 --> 01:44:06,720
Not necessarily, because if you
think about it, the Tiamet

1807
01:44:06,720 --> 01:44:09,920
coming up out of the Indian
Ocean was also years ago and

1808
01:44:09,920 --> 01:44:12,040
they are just now dealing with
that problem.

1809
01:44:12,040 --> 01:44:14,760
But that wasn't another movie in
a news newspaper.

1810
01:44:14,760 --> 01:44:17,840
Article That was a She Hulk and
it was very it was a very brief

1811
01:44:17,840 --> 01:44:20,400
thing.
This is almost five years after

1812
01:44:20,400 --> 01:44:22,440
the fact, so.
Also.

1813
01:44:23,200 --> 01:44:25,000
Yeah.
I'm OK with that because you're

1814
01:44:25,000 --> 01:44:27,400
trying to explain it.
I'm just saying we just, we

1815
01:44:27,400 --> 01:44:31,360
didn't need to have a call back
to like, oh, she's like Natasha.

1816
01:44:31,360 --> 01:44:32,520
Well, I.
Think I think that.

1817
01:44:33,200 --> 01:44:36,640
She can be.
She can be from the Red Room.

1818
01:44:36,680 --> 01:44:39,360
She ain't going to be no Natasha
and no Ulaina.

1819
01:44:39,360 --> 01:44:40,280
I know.
I think.

1820
01:44:40,840 --> 01:44:44,800
It's.
Like no point like I like I

1821
01:44:44,800 --> 01:44:48,280
explained before, this is just
them trying to make up for

1822
01:44:48,720 --> 01:44:53,080
having and having an Israeli
character and not having to seem

1823
01:44:53,080 --> 01:44:57,640
tone deaf as as far as like the
whole Iran pal, Israel,

1824
01:44:57,640 --> 01:45:01,280
Palestine, Palestine conflict.
And like they didn't want to

1825
01:45:01,280 --> 01:45:02,560
seem like they were choosing
side.

1826
01:45:02,560 --> 01:45:05,400
They don't want to want to make
it seem like they were being pro

1827
01:45:05,400 --> 01:45:09,800
Israel and like trying to get
into the fight so to speak.

1828
01:45:10,280 --> 01:45:12,880
I mean.
My whole thing is why did y'all

1829
01:45:12,880 --> 01:45:14,880
even need to mention where she
was from?

1830
01:45:15,520 --> 01:45:17,960
Right, that's what I'm saying.
So they were going to make her.

1831
01:45:17,960 --> 01:45:20,360
They were going to make her that
character that.

1832
01:45:20,880 --> 01:45:24,480
But when you decided not to make
her that character, why did you

1833
01:45:24,480 --> 01:45:28,440
just like y'all?
Y'all could have just said, we

1834
01:45:28,440 --> 01:45:31,040
don't know where she's from, but
we we know she was part of the

1835
01:45:31,040 --> 01:45:32,080
Red Room.
Or you could have.

1836
01:45:32,520 --> 01:45:34,640
You could have said a whole.
Bunch of you didn't even have to

1837
01:45:34,680 --> 01:45:38,440
say where she was from.
Did we learn Ross's Secret

1838
01:45:38,440 --> 01:45:41,200
Service where she was from?
Is she from Georgia?

1839
01:45:41,360 --> 01:45:43,400
Is she from California?
Is she from Detroit?

1840
01:45:43,720 --> 01:45:45,880
Like we don't need to know where
everybody's from.

1841
01:45:46,360 --> 01:45:54,040
I mean, it's just Ruth, you
know, even though my favorite

1842
01:45:54,040 --> 01:45:55,760
scene was she was like, look at
that Bucky.

1843
01:45:55,760 --> 01:45:57,360
And he was like, well, he over
100.

1844
01:45:57,360 --> 01:45:59,600
Years old, she was like, I can
work with that.

1845
01:46:01,520 --> 01:46:04,560
But other than that, we didn't.
You didn't have to throw in the

1846
01:46:04,560 --> 01:46:06,480
Taj's background.
You had to throw in anything

1847
01:46:06,480 --> 01:46:09,040
that was controversial because
we don't know where anyone else

1848
01:46:09,040 --> 01:46:12,320
is from.
You got a point, I agree.

1849
01:46:13,600 --> 01:46:16,000
But everybody didn't walk around
with their resume and their

1850
01:46:16,000 --> 01:46:20,680
birth certificate, so.
Well, I mean, they were trying

1851
01:46:20,680 --> 01:46:23,960
to to find out her background.
They were trying to dig on her

1852
01:46:23,960 --> 01:46:27,280
because they was trying to
figure out who she was, if she

1853
01:46:27,280 --> 01:46:29,880
was good, if she was bad.
We can find much.

1854
01:46:30,040 --> 01:46:32,400
Everything was redacted.
Right, that's all.

1855
01:46:33,360 --> 01:46:35,160
That would be good too, because
you would.

1856
01:46:35,160 --> 01:46:37,480
Like, I don't think the
redaction would have stopped

1857
01:46:37,560 --> 01:46:42,000
Joaquin, but that's OK.
OK, I'm going to say this again.

1858
01:46:42,560 --> 01:46:47,320
I can't believe they had Sam
visit the raft and say hey to

1859
01:46:47,320 --> 01:46:52,200
President Ross and say hey to
Sterns but you don't show him

1860
01:46:52,200 --> 01:46:55,880
saying hey to Zemo like it
y'all?

1861
01:46:56,000 --> 01:47:00,600
Y'all could have did a little
cameo and Zemo could have been

1862
01:47:00,600 --> 01:47:03,360
like hello Sam how are you?
Or something y'all could have

1863
01:47:03,360 --> 01:47:04,400
did.
But that wouldn't have been

1864
01:47:04,400 --> 01:47:05,120
enough for you.
He.

1865
01:47:05,120 --> 01:47:08,400
He.
Might now he might not be there.

1866
01:47:09,160 --> 01:47:11,720
True, that's where the Wakandas
left them.

1867
01:47:12,480 --> 01:47:13,880
He might not be there.
That's.

1868
01:47:14,280 --> 01:47:17,800
Maybe now where Ross with him?
Somewhere else He.

1869
01:47:18,040 --> 01:47:20,320
May not be there.
Remember, he had connections, he

1870
01:47:20,360 --> 01:47:22,440
has money.
Yeah, he's a Baron.

1871
01:47:22,600 --> 01:47:25,920
Yeah, he as he explained in
Falcon and Winners.

1872
01:47:26,840 --> 01:47:29,760
He has no country but.
And Franco, do you just want him

1873
01:47:29,760 --> 01:47:31,880
in the cell and him having the
music in the background?

1874
01:47:33,360 --> 01:47:35,200
I mean, hey, that would have
worked for me.

1875
01:47:35,200 --> 01:47:39,360
I just want to see him like we
saw we had Sam for the movie.

1876
01:47:39,520 --> 01:47:42,640
We got a cameo Bucky, we could
have had a cameo Zemo.

1877
01:47:42,640 --> 01:47:45,080
I would have been good.
And like I said, they could have

1878
01:47:45,080 --> 01:47:48,400
brought the power broker and she
could have been like they they

1879
01:47:48,400 --> 01:47:50,840
could have made that conflict
into.

1880
01:47:51,160 --> 01:47:54,280
We could have had old cap.
Oh.

1881
01:47:55,240 --> 01:47:57,800
They got, they got, they got so
much stuff to do to bring that

1882
01:47:57,800 --> 01:48:00,360
in that's just not even worth,
not even worth trying.

1883
01:48:00,360 --> 01:48:01,880
Don't.
No, no.

1884
01:48:03,200 --> 01:48:06,600
Oh, camp, he's on the moon.
He could have he.

1885
01:48:09,080 --> 01:48:10,560
Could have.
He could have owned the gym.

1886
01:48:10,560 --> 01:48:14,200
Whereas Ian Bradley was working
out, they've been working out.

1887
01:48:14,200 --> 01:48:17,600
Together, it's just too bad.
That's just you see, then then

1888
01:48:17,600 --> 01:48:21,040
that'll bring up that'll bring
up all the all all the white

1889
01:48:21,040 --> 01:48:23,480
guys saying bring him back, give
him back to SHIELD.

1890
01:48:23,480 --> 01:48:25,640
He doesn't give him back to
SHIELD, Sam, give him back to

1891
01:48:25,640 --> 01:48:26,800
SHIELD.
I ain't trying to hear all that

1892
01:48:26,800 --> 01:48:27,920
bullshit.
No, no.

1893
01:48:29,120 --> 01:48:30,400
Man's 200 years old.
He's.

1894
01:48:30,560 --> 01:48:32,920
Done.
He's done.

1895
01:48:33,960 --> 01:48:36,840
He's retired.
He's retired.

1896
01:48:37,520 --> 01:48:39,760
Oh, you saw how Isaiah Bradley
was moving, boy.

1897
01:48:40,600 --> 01:48:41,520
I know he.
Was around.

1898
01:48:42,160 --> 01:48:44,680
Those big crashing through that
window and fucking out, running

1899
01:48:44,680 --> 01:48:46,440
out, running the cops in the
fucking square.

1900
01:48:46,440 --> 01:48:50,400
I was like.
Listen, listen, when he did that

1901
01:48:50,400 --> 01:48:54,400
shit I was like oh y'all really
think y'all going to catch him?

1902
01:48:54,400 --> 01:48:57,000
And I'm telling you, if he
wouldn't have broken out of that

1903
01:48:57,000 --> 01:48:59,600
spell, his ass would have been
gone.

1904
01:48:59,640 --> 01:49:01,320
They would have.
Yeah, Zemo, his Zemo wouldn't

1905
01:49:01,320 --> 01:49:04,600
have tried to attach to the
White House, White House Wi-Fi

1906
01:49:04,600 --> 01:49:06,400
and ran out, ran out of the
bars.

1907
01:49:06,400 --> 01:49:08,720
Then, you know, he would have
gotten away clean.

1908
01:49:08,720 --> 01:49:10,920
But soon, as soon as he ran out
of the range, he was like, wait,

1909
01:49:11,200 --> 01:49:12,760
what?
Just like, just like when you

1910
01:49:12,760 --> 01:49:15,040
get too far from your house and
you have your headphones on,

1911
01:49:15,040 --> 01:49:17,840
your Bluetooth headphones on and
they cut off you, like, what the

1912
01:49:17,840 --> 01:49:20,960
hell?
It's like damn, but that scene

1913
01:49:20,960 --> 01:49:23,720
was so sad.
It's like Isaiah looked so

1914
01:49:23,720 --> 01:49:27,760
confused again.
Carl Lumbley killed that fucking

1915
01:49:27,760 --> 01:49:29,800
role.
Like he stepped out that shit.

1916
01:49:29,800 --> 01:49:31,920
He was he.
He literally looked like he had

1917
01:49:32,080 --> 01:49:34,800
he had to he.
Was like Sam, what is going on?

1918
01:49:35,280 --> 01:49:40,360
How do I get out here?
Like he like he was so good in

1919
01:49:40,360 --> 01:49:42,120
this room and he better get the
fucking up.

1920
01:49:42,920 --> 01:49:44,760
But no, you know what?
I don't want him to get a

1921
01:49:44,760 --> 01:49:47,280
nomination because the last
person that did a really good

1922
01:49:47,280 --> 01:49:50,800
job in a supporting role in the
Marvel movie that got nominated

1923
01:49:50,800 --> 01:49:53,560
for something got shafted.
So never mind.

1924
01:49:55,920 --> 01:49:59,480
Yeah, You know, they're not
going, they're not going to give

1925
01:49:59,480 --> 01:50:01,160
any nominations for stuff like
this.

1926
01:50:01,160 --> 01:50:04,720
They never recogn, you know,
they never recognized him.

1927
01:50:05,040 --> 01:50:08,360
So he did the PTSD good, too.
Like, I don't want to be in

1928
01:50:08,520 --> 01:50:10,440
prison.
I can't do this anymore.

1929
01:50:10,640 --> 01:50:13,840
Crushing crushed it.
He was really good.

1930
01:50:13,840 --> 01:50:15,880
He was.
Really good.

1931
01:50:16,560 --> 01:50:22,360
OK, so question that final
scene, the the end credits

1932
01:50:22,360 --> 01:50:26,360
scene, were they referencing
Avengers, Secret Wars?

1933
01:50:26,360 --> 01:50:28,320
Oh, and I think we need to
mention the fact that

1934
01:50:28,560 --> 01:50:32,040
Thunderbolt Ross officially
asked Sam to start back up The

1935
01:50:32,040 --> 01:50:35,840
Avengers in this movie.
So we'll see how that goes.

1936
01:50:35,840 --> 01:50:41,360
But that ends credits scene, was
that referencing Secret Wars?

1937
01:50:41,360 --> 01:50:43,320
Probably.
He was referencing the

1938
01:50:43,400 --> 01:50:45,360
multiverse.
That's what I thought.

1939
01:50:45,360 --> 01:50:47,760
And single was Yeah.
Or it's all.

1940
01:50:47,840 --> 01:50:49,280
Coming.
I mean, you know, maybe, maybe,

1941
01:50:49,640 --> 01:50:51,440
maybe.
And yeah, see, I was.

1942
01:50:51,480 --> 01:50:55,760
Wondering about that too.
I don't know, but probably

1943
01:50:55,760 --> 01:50:56,920
that's probably super wars.
I think he.

1944
01:50:57,240 --> 01:50:58,840
Was referencing the multiverse,
yeah.

1945
01:50:59,720 --> 01:51:03,880
OK, OK.
What are you going to do when

1946
01:51:03,880 --> 01:51:07,080
you have to defend this world
from them?

1947
01:51:07,640 --> 01:51:10,000
And then at the end, I told
Anthony, I said, So what

1948
01:51:10,000 --> 01:51:13,840
happened to my green people?
They they're in play.

1949
01:51:13,880 --> 01:51:16,360
They're not in play.
But no, no, no.

1950
01:51:17,200 --> 01:51:18,600
We're doing something.
We're not doing something

1951
01:51:18,600 --> 01:51:22,320
scrolls.
We don't talk about scrolls.

1952
01:51:22,320 --> 01:51:24,600
No, no.
But I mean, I mean.

1953
01:51:25,880 --> 01:51:26,760
It's a good.
Question.

1954
01:51:26,800 --> 01:51:29,040
I mean 'cause.
They're they're in the

1955
01:51:29,040 --> 01:51:30,680
government, we.
Don't talk about.

1956
01:51:30,680 --> 01:51:32,560
They're still here, but you
know, they're just still with

1957
01:51:32,600 --> 01:51:37,960
it.
OK, they're taking over people.

1958
01:51:38,080 --> 01:51:41,960
Do we know who?
Imagine trying to have a movie

1959
01:51:42,000 --> 01:51:44,840
and try to explain that to
people who have who didn't watch

1960
01:51:44,840 --> 01:51:46,320
the show.
It would be a lot, no?

1961
01:51:46,320 --> 01:51:48,920
We're not doing it.
Yeah, it'll be a lot.

1962
01:51:48,920 --> 01:51:51,960
And but then there's a lot
asking Sam to acquire their

1963
01:51:51,960 --> 01:51:55,640
Avengers.
Like who he gonna call right Ant

1964
01:51:55,640 --> 01:51:59,520
man?
Yeah, they did mention what?

1965
01:51:59,720 --> 01:52:04,200
What, Ryan?
What is torrent obsession with

1966
01:52:04,520 --> 01:52:09,200
Ant Man 'cause they kept
mentioning him I was like why is

1967
01:52:09,240 --> 01:52:12,160
he obsessed with Scott?
Because because they have a,

1968
01:52:12,200 --> 01:52:16,640
they have a history I.
Don't, Sam.

1969
01:52:16,640 --> 01:52:19,440
Because the originals there's
there's no more originals.

1970
01:52:20,960 --> 01:52:24,400
Well let me see cause Hawkeye is
retired.

1971
01:52:24,400 --> 01:52:28,040
So if if he does call a Hawkeye
most likely will be Kate Bishop.

1972
01:52:31,240 --> 01:52:36,840
Natasha's gone, Tony's gone, Cap
is gone, Thor is probably off

1973
01:52:36,840 --> 01:52:40,240
world Hulk is.
Thor got a child.

1974
01:52:40,280 --> 01:52:42,800
Already.
Yeah.

1975
01:52:43,160 --> 01:52:46,120
So yeah, I mean at this.
Point does too.

1976
01:52:46,120 --> 01:52:49,040
Yeah, by his son.
So do you think?

1977
01:52:49,040 --> 01:52:55,640
OK, so since the event, so since
the adventures are pretty much

1978
01:52:56,320 --> 01:53:03,040
defunct, do you think this will
be where the Young Avengers

1979
01:53:03,040 --> 01:53:05,600
start coming in, where they
start bringing them in?

1980
01:53:05,600 --> 01:53:08,080
Because, I mean, we've already
been introduced to Kate Bishop,

1981
01:53:08,080 --> 01:53:12,920
we've been introduced to Isaiah
Bradley, we've been introduced

1982
01:53:13,000 --> 01:53:18,440
to Wiccan.
And huh, what I say I meant to

1983
01:53:18,440 --> 01:53:18,760
say a.
Lot.

1984
01:53:18,800 --> 01:53:21,120
Yeah, a lot.
Yeah, you're right, a lot.

1985
01:53:23,200 --> 01:53:25,920
Yeah, the grandson.
Yeah, he actually had, yeah.

1986
01:53:26,400 --> 01:53:30,560
I meant to say a lot.
Too, So those are the latest

1987
01:53:30,560 --> 01:53:33,080
scene with him too, that they
that was supposed to be

1988
01:53:33,080 --> 01:53:36,960
included, but they took it out.
See, I would have liked to have

1989
01:53:36,960 --> 01:53:40,040
seen that because that, again,
that would have tied in more

1990
01:53:40,040 --> 01:53:42,320
with Sam's story than anything
else.

1991
01:53:42,720 --> 01:53:47,240
But OK, so we got Kate.
Elijah is Marvel, we got

1992
01:53:47,240 --> 01:53:49,920
Wanda's.
Well, we we know of one of

1993
01:53:49,920 --> 01:53:52,440
Wanda's sons that's that's still
alive.

1994
01:53:52,440 --> 01:53:53,680
They're looking for the other
one.

1995
01:53:53,680 --> 01:53:56,600
So do we think the Young
Avengers will actually happen?

1996
01:53:56,600 --> 01:54:03,240
They got Miss Marvel, they got.
And they have just a girl Tony

1997
01:54:03,240 --> 01:54:04,560
suit.
I in her.

1998
01:54:05,160 --> 01:54:07,320
Oh, really, Will?
Yeah, OK.

1999
01:54:07,760 --> 01:54:08,680
No, I have her.
I don't.

2000
01:54:08,760 --> 01:54:10,880
I don't.
Think they're going to do Young

2001
01:54:10,880 --> 01:54:13,280
Avenues until after, at least
after.

2002
01:54:13,280 --> 01:54:15,560
They're not going to tease until
at least after Vision Quest,

2003
01:54:15,880 --> 01:54:19,160
because I think in Vision Quest
they're going to try to find the

2004
01:54:19,160 --> 01:54:22,080
other brother and they'll try to
find Tommy, OK?

2005
01:54:22,680 --> 01:54:25,120
I think finding Tommy is going
to have something to do, is

2006
01:54:25,120 --> 01:54:27,280
going to blend into that.
Until they find Tommy, they're

2007
01:54:27,280 --> 01:54:31,360
not going to do anything.
And they have the Wonder Man.

2008
01:54:31,360 --> 01:54:34,680
Series coming.
Oh yeah, they do.

2009
01:54:34,760 --> 01:54:39,840
Oh, OK.
I don't know.

2010
01:54:40,720 --> 01:54:43,000
OK.
So I, I don't, I don't know as

2011
01:54:43,000 --> 01:54:48,000
much young Avengers as going
ahead and skipping to having

2012
01:54:48,000 --> 01:54:49,320
them be Avengers.
OK.

2013
01:54:51,400 --> 01:54:52,800
Because so they're going to be
kind of old.

2014
01:54:52,800 --> 01:54:54,480
They're going to.
Be.

2015
01:54:55,000 --> 01:54:58,480
Old to be again.
Yeah, they also the there's

2016
01:54:58,480 --> 01:55:03,560
rumors that they're trying to
find someone to be T'challa, but

2017
01:55:03,560 --> 01:55:05,360
everyone's saying no.
OK.

2018
01:55:05,960 --> 01:55:08,760
So I don't I don't know what
where that leaves and with Black

2019
01:55:08,760 --> 01:55:10,400
Panther, because obviously they
think they.

2020
01:55:10,400 --> 01:55:12,720
Want, I think they're looking at
OK, they're looking at all this.

2021
01:55:12,720 --> 01:55:13,960
I don't think all this said no
yet.

2022
01:55:16,600 --> 01:55:19,120
Well, Boyega said.
No hard but.

2023
01:55:19,360 --> 01:55:20,760
They're looking at all this hard
now.

2024
01:55:22,120 --> 01:55:25,400
My thing is, if you gonna bring
Boyega into the MCU, give him

2025
01:55:25,400 --> 01:55:31,760
his own, his own role.
Don't give that man points and a

2026
01:55:31,760 --> 01:55:33,120
whole lot of money.
That.

2027
01:55:33,200 --> 01:55:35,160
Well, that too.
But.

2028
01:55:35,240 --> 01:55:38,240
But what?
Yeah, but what I'm saying is do

2029
01:55:38,240 --> 01:55:39,200
him.
Yeah, don't do him like they

2030
01:55:39,280 --> 01:55:40,440
did, but do him.
Should I?

2031
01:55:40,440 --> 01:55:43,840
That's bullshit.
He does not need to be a recast

2032
01:55:43,840 --> 01:55:46,200
or anything like that.
Give him his own role.

2033
01:55:46,200 --> 01:55:50,960
Give him something original that
he can, that he can.

2034
01:55:50,960 --> 01:55:54,080
Yeah.
OK, so.

2035
01:55:54,320 --> 01:55:57,840
And I heard that they were
bringing they, they were toying

2036
01:55:57,840 --> 01:56:01,840
with the idea of bringing
Jonathan Majors back.

2037
01:56:02,200 --> 01:56:07,640
Yes, I did hear that.
And also your boy from fear the.

2038
01:56:08,200 --> 01:56:11,800
Living.
Dead has a has a role, but

2039
01:56:12,080 --> 01:56:12,920
they're.
Not no.

2040
01:56:13,360 --> 01:56:18,520
Apparently they they asked him
about replacing Jonathan Majors

2041
01:56:18,520 --> 01:56:20,360
as king.
He refused to do it.

2042
01:56:20,920 --> 01:56:23,720
Yeah.
So if they bring again, if they

2043
01:56:23,720 --> 01:56:28,760
bring him into the MCU, give him
his own role because he would

2044
01:56:28,760 --> 01:56:32,520
absolutely kill it.
I mean, so yeah, see, I can't

2045
01:56:32,520 --> 01:56:33,480
talk about it.
Never mind.

2046
01:56:35,840 --> 01:56:38,000
Can't.
Talk what this he's he's playing

2047
01:56:38,000 --> 01:56:40,200
a role already but I can't talk
about it cause y'all haven't

2048
01:56:40,200 --> 01:56:41,840
watched what I'm going to talk
about.

2049
01:56:43,240 --> 01:56:46,560
Oh, OK, so yeah, OK, no
spoilers, no spoilers.

2050
01:56:47,000 --> 01:56:53,440
So, OK, so the general consensus
is we like the movie, but we

2051
01:56:53,440 --> 01:56:56,880
just didn't feel like it was a
Captain America movie.

2052
01:56:57,920 --> 01:57:01,120
Yeah, please.
That's the the majority since

2053
01:57:01,640 --> 01:57:02,560
consensus.
I can go.

2054
01:57:03,960 --> 01:57:07,680
Along with.
That OK, OK, but it was it was a

2055
01:57:07,680 --> 01:57:09,560
fun movie.
I will definitely go watch it

2056
01:57:09,560 --> 01:57:12,360
again.
Again.

2057
01:57:12,360 --> 01:57:15,440
You know, Anthony Mackie's Sam
Wilson is one of my favorite

2058
01:57:15,440 --> 01:57:19,760
characters in the MCU.
I'm, I'm very partial towards

2059
01:57:19,760 --> 01:57:25,520
the human characters, which is
why him and, you know, he,

2060
01:57:25,840 --> 01:57:29,600
Hawkeye, Black Widow, they have
been three of my top characters.

2061
01:57:29,600 --> 01:57:31,760
And of course I got, you know,
even though he's a super

2062
01:57:31,760 --> 01:57:35,880
soldier, I got to add Bucky in
there 'cause it just, I like, I

2063
01:57:35,880 --> 01:57:39,120
like the Bucky and Sam dynamic
even more than I like the Bucky

2064
01:57:39,120 --> 01:57:42,760
and Steve dynamic.
So, yeah, yeah.

2065
01:57:44,440 --> 01:57:47,240
So, well, I'm not going to see
this movie again, but it did

2066
01:57:47,240 --> 01:57:50,240
make me want to see Falcon and
The Winter Soldier.

2067
01:57:50,520 --> 01:57:54,240
I did rewatch it.
I did rewatch that last week and

2068
01:57:54,240 --> 01:57:58,400
then I listened to the 1st 2
episodes where we covered it on

2069
01:57:58,400 --> 01:58:02,440
the show and I was like, OK,
yeah, I think the opinions still

2070
01:58:02,440 --> 01:58:04,800
hold up for this show.
That's one of the things, you

2071
01:58:04,800 --> 01:58:07,960
know, sometimes we watch things
and we have an opinion.

2072
01:58:07,960 --> 01:58:11,280
And then as time goes by, I
think our opinions can change

2073
01:58:11,280 --> 01:58:12,840
and we look at things a little
bit differently.

2074
01:58:12,840 --> 01:58:16,000
And I think that's one show that
my opinion still has not changed

2075
01:58:16,000 --> 01:58:17,520
on.
It's still one of my top shows.

2076
01:58:17,520 --> 01:58:21,120
Like, yeah, it's really good.
It's it's one of the better MCU

2077
01:58:21,120 --> 01:58:23,680
things that they've put out in
in the last few years.

2078
01:58:23,680 --> 01:58:28,600
So, OK, since I've been asked, I
have to show this.

2079
01:58:28,600 --> 01:58:36,760
So I went to a screening of of
Captain America with the MCUATL

2080
01:58:36,760 --> 01:58:42,000
group and they had trivia
questions and they were like,

2081
01:58:42,000 --> 01:58:45,000
hey, does anybody want to be put
on the spot to answer to a

2082
01:58:45,120 --> 01:58:47,600
trivia question?
So I raised my hand because I

2083
01:58:47,600 --> 01:58:50,120
think the last time we did one
of these, I think Mike won a

2084
01:58:50,120 --> 01:58:53,560
pair of tickets to Momo Con and
you know, they were also giving

2085
01:58:53,560 --> 01:58:56,760
up tickets to Momo Con.
They, I think the last event I

2086
01:58:56,760 --> 01:59:01,080
went to, they gave away, I think
I went to the Deadpool and they

2087
01:59:01,080 --> 01:59:04,640
gave away like one of the 10
inch Deadpool Funkos or

2088
01:59:04,760 --> 01:59:07,000
something like that.
So I'm thinking, OK, it's going

2089
01:59:07,000 --> 01:59:10,840
to be something like that.
So the, the question was, what

2090
01:59:10,840 --> 01:59:14,280
did Sam Wilson do to honor
Isaiah Bradley?

2091
01:59:14,280 --> 01:59:17,920
So of course the answer is he
added Isaiah Bradley.

2092
01:59:17,960 --> 01:59:22,000
He added a tribute to Isaiah
Bradley to the Captain America

2093
01:59:22,560 --> 01:59:26,960
exhibit at the Smithsonian.
So they were like, yes, correct,

2094
01:59:26,960 --> 01:59:33,960
you get a shield.
So I ended up winning one of the

2095
01:59:34,000 --> 01:59:38,120
actual replicas of the Captain
America shield.

2096
01:59:38,120 --> 01:59:40,800
This is not the, this is not the
plastic shield.

2097
01:59:40,800 --> 01:59:44,480
This is the metal one with the
leather straps and everything.

2098
01:59:44,480 --> 01:59:50,760
And I was like, hey, I love it.
Don't go on your knowledge,

2099
01:59:50,760 --> 01:59:56,840
throw it around.
No, we will not be doing that

2100
01:59:56,840 --> 02:00:00,440
because I am not trained to do
that.

2101
02:00:00,440 --> 02:00:02,960
I do not have the upper body
strength to do that.

2102
02:00:02,960 --> 02:00:05,400
It will sit very prettily
somewhere.

2103
02:00:05,680 --> 02:00:07,680
I don't know.
I think it's, I think it's time

2104
02:00:07,680 --> 02:00:10,480
to do an office refresh.
So I may change all this stuff

2105
02:00:10,480 --> 02:00:13,160
back here and start putting up
the Marvel stuff.

2106
02:00:13,760 --> 02:00:19,680
You know how much you can.
Get for that bro no because I

2107
02:00:19,760 --> 02:00:22,760
have been wanting one of these
Shields but I have not had the

2108
02:00:22,760 --> 02:00:27,720
$200 plus to to shell out for so
the fact that I got this for

2109
02:00:27,720 --> 02:00:32,240
answering a trivia question free
no over my dead cold body.

2110
02:00:32,240 --> 02:00:35,600
Will somebody get this you?
Have to take it to Dragon Con

2111
02:00:35,760 --> 02:00:38,200
and get it autographed by people
from the MC.

2112
02:00:38,240 --> 02:00:41,840
Let's see if if if we get people
from the MCU at Dragon Con.

2113
02:00:41,880 --> 02:00:46,480
I will do that specifically from
you know, Avengers or Marvel,

2114
02:00:46,480 --> 02:00:51,400
but I I don't think we've had
any in the last few years.

2115
02:00:51,400 --> 02:00:54,760
So you.
Probably have some ancillary

2116
02:00:54,760 --> 02:00:57,360
people who you know you don't
think about it.

2117
02:00:57,640 --> 02:01:02,240
What you see, because my, my
plan for this year is to try to

2118
02:01:02,240 --> 02:01:05,200
go to New York Comic Con,
especially if the Outlander

2119
02:01:05,200 --> 02:01:08,680
people are there and they
usually have some of the bigger

2120
02:01:08,680 --> 02:01:11,280
Marvel people, like I think a
couple of years ago they had

2121
02:01:11,280 --> 02:01:17,120
Sebastian Stan and they had
Elizabeth Olsen.

2122
02:01:17,480 --> 02:01:21,440
So if they do that, then I may,
you know, have to take a road

2123
02:01:21,440 --> 02:01:24,880
trip because I'm right now, I
don't think I'm getting on a

2124
02:01:24,880 --> 02:01:28,520
plane anytime soon.
So yeah, I, I may have to do

2125
02:01:28,520 --> 02:01:30,520
that.
But yeah, this is staying here.

2126
02:01:30,760 --> 02:01:35,320
It will probably be center right
behind me maybe in a couple of

2127
02:01:35,320 --> 02:01:40,080
months once I decide to refresh
my my back wall, but we'll see.

2128
02:01:40,080 --> 02:01:42,880
But yeah, I, I just thought it
was so cool 'cause I was like,

2129
02:01:42,880 --> 02:01:45,880
I'm thinking, oh, he said shit.
I'm thinking it's one of the

2130
02:01:45,880 --> 02:01:48,480
plastic ones.
And when he handed it to me, I

2131
02:01:48,480 --> 02:01:51,880
literally did this like, Oh my
God, this, this shit is heavy.

2132
02:01:52,160 --> 02:01:56,160
So yeah, yeah, you America
shield.

2133
02:01:57,160 --> 02:02:01,080
So any final thoughts about
Captain America brand new?

2134
02:02:01,080 --> 02:02:06,360
Alright, real quick, for most of
the reshoots for like the

2135
02:02:06,360 --> 02:02:11,320
reshoots in the church with
Sidewinder, they used the Loki

2136
02:02:11,320 --> 02:02:15,520
set from the first season when
they when they were first when

2137
02:02:15,520 --> 02:02:20,040
they first were looking for
enchanted in Sarah, whatever her

2138
02:02:20,040 --> 02:02:24,200
name is, the she Loki, they used
that.

2139
02:02:24,200 --> 02:02:27,360
They used that church where they
went in episode 1 of the first

2140
02:02:27,360 --> 02:02:30,960
season where they were looking
for OK, so that was one thing

2141
02:02:30,960 --> 02:02:37,480
they did shout out to in the
first scene where Joaquin was

2142
02:02:37,480 --> 02:02:40,800
like Joaquin got the dress like
the Falcon that reminded me of

2143
02:02:40,800 --> 02:02:43,920
Sheree get driving to Lexus in
the first Black Panther where

2144
02:02:43,920 --> 02:02:46,840
she finally she finally got to
participate in something

2145
02:02:47,440 --> 02:02:48,320
because.
He was.

2146
02:02:49,200 --> 02:02:51,280
Like, yeah, they're gonna get
away.

2147
02:02:51,360 --> 02:02:54,920
I don't think you can make it.
He's like, fine, then go ahead

2148
02:02:54,920 --> 02:02:56,400
and suit up.
He's like, yes.

2149
02:02:56,400 --> 02:02:59,240
It reminded me of Sheree getting
ready to drive to Lexus in Black

2150
02:02:59,240 --> 02:03:04,040
Panther.
OK, I'd like that South Walt

2151
02:03:04,040 --> 02:03:08,200
Whitman getting a special cameo
with his quote on Ross's wife's

2152
02:03:08,600 --> 02:03:10,920
tombstone.
Is that keep your face always

2153
02:03:10,920 --> 02:03:13,280
toward the sunshine and shadows
will fall behind you.

2154
02:03:13,280 --> 02:03:17,160
So that's a Walt Whitman quote.
I can appreciate that.

2155
02:03:19,240 --> 02:03:21,040
What else?
I think I talked about the

2156
02:03:21,040 --> 02:03:27,040
three, the three pictures in in
Isaiah's gym of Jackie Robinson,

2157
02:03:27,040 --> 02:03:31,200
Jack Johnson and Luau Cinder
before he became Kareem Abdul

2158
02:03:31,200 --> 02:03:33,840
Jabbar.
It's like they're all all black

2159
02:03:33,840 --> 02:03:38,600
people who who spoke up and were
knocked down.

2160
02:03:39,160 --> 02:03:42,960
And it's like it's kind of
symbolic to be in be in

2161
02:03:42,960 --> 02:03:47,960
Isaiah's, Isaiah's gym where he
was like people who stood for

2162
02:03:47,960 --> 02:03:52,240
something but got punished for
it just like he did, like for 30

2163
02:03:52,240 --> 02:03:54,520
years.
I thought that was pretty cool.

2164
02:03:55,640 --> 02:04:07,760
I think that's all I got.
I have one the the area that Sam

2165
02:04:07,760 --> 02:04:16,240
and Serpent Sidewinder had their
fight outside after he tried to

2166
02:04:16,240 --> 02:04:21,200
kill after he tried to kill Sam
Nick Fury style.

2167
02:04:22,240 --> 02:04:26,800
That area is an area that Casey
and Michelle will be familiar.

2168
02:04:26,960 --> 02:04:29,920
With.
Wait, wait, wait.

2169
02:04:29,920 --> 02:04:34,200
It's it's the wall.
It's the Clearwall area from The

2170
02:04:34,200 --> 02:04:38,360
Walking Dead when Morgan lived
in King County by himself.

2171
02:04:38,960 --> 02:04:42,880
Yeah, it's actually the the
section of the wall where they

2172
02:04:42,880 --> 02:04:46,840
did the tour with Lenny James
Last year.

2173
02:04:47,480 --> 02:04:50,400
So, yeah.
So, yeah, we got a little

2174
02:04:50,400 --> 02:04:51,280
Walking Dead.
I I.

2175
02:04:51,560 --> 02:04:53,120
Definitely saw that and I was
like.

2176
02:04:53,400 --> 02:04:56,000
Yeah, like I know that place.
I.

2177
02:04:56,000 --> 02:04:57,560
Know exactly where that's at?
Yeah.

2178
02:04:57,840 --> 02:05:02,040
Yeah, I shouted them making it
painfully obvious which scenes

2179
02:05:02,040 --> 02:05:06,600
were reshot by the really bad
green screening that they did.

2180
02:05:07,880 --> 02:05:11,960
Like some of that green screen
was just like blatantly obvious.

2181
02:05:12,000 --> 02:05:18,160
I was just but like come on man.
Like the the in credit scene was

2182
02:05:18,160 --> 02:05:20,680
so bad.
It's like everything was blurry

2183
02:05:20,680 --> 02:05:23,920
in the backroom behind him.
I was like like not even, it's

2184
02:05:23,920 --> 02:05:25,800
not not even OK.
It's supposed to be out of

2185
02:05:25,800 --> 02:05:28,840
focus, whatever.
But it's like bad green screen,

2186
02:05:28,840 --> 02:05:30,760
blurry.
I was just like, come on, guys.

2187
02:05:31,600 --> 02:05:36,480
But yeah, I I mean, I enjoyed a
lot of performances in this.

2188
02:05:36,520 --> 02:05:41,960
I'm just.
The performances weren't the

2189
02:05:41,960 --> 02:05:44,880
problem.
Yeah, just everything else.

2190
02:05:44,920 --> 02:05:46,520
So the performances weren't the
problem.

2191
02:05:46,520 --> 02:05:48,160
I think everybody did a great
job.

2192
02:05:48,160 --> 02:05:52,800
And like I said, Anthony Mackie,
Harrison Ford, just like above

2193
02:05:52,800 --> 02:05:57,040
board, they were phenomenal.
So I just, you know, like I

2194
02:05:57,040 --> 02:06:03,160
said, I, I wanted the story to
relate more to Sam and his story

2195
02:06:03,160 --> 02:06:05,920
instead of somebody, you know,
closing out somebody else.

2196
02:06:06,400 --> 02:06:08,320
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, who?

2197
02:06:08,400 --> 02:06:11,080
Who mentioned Sarah earlier?
I would have loved to have seen

2198
02:06:11,080 --> 02:06:13,520
Sarah and the boys, you know,
even just a little.

2199
02:06:13,960 --> 02:06:15,600
OK, yeah.
Y'all stay over here.

2200
02:06:15,600 --> 02:06:18,440
I'm going to take care of, I
mean, and we could have done a

2201
02:06:18,440 --> 02:06:22,160
little cameo that would have at
least given it more of a

2202
02:06:22,160 --> 02:06:24,360
grounded feeling for, I mean.
They showed a pic.

2203
02:06:24,360 --> 02:06:29,280
They showed a picture of her in
cats in cats office slash

2204
02:06:29,320 --> 02:06:32,080
control area.
Like there was a picture of her

2205
02:06:32,240 --> 02:06:33,520
there.
Where?

2206
02:06:33,800 --> 02:06:36,400
Where was that I?
Know I have.

2207
02:06:36,680 --> 02:06:38,760
No idea.
Then I had question and then I

2208
02:06:38,760 --> 02:06:40,560
had questions.
Who's paying Sam?

2209
02:06:40,760 --> 02:06:42,880
Because the last we left off,
Sam was struggling.

2210
02:06:42,920 --> 02:06:44,480
You know they didn't have money.
They.

2211
02:06:45,080 --> 02:06:48,360
Were the mortgage and he's
working for Ross now, so I'm

2212
02:06:48,360 --> 02:06:51,000
assuming he's getting a
government paycheck.

2213
02:06:51,800 --> 02:06:54,920
OK, 'cause when that first car
got blown up and he got a nice

2214
02:06:55,000 --> 02:06:57,240
second car, I was like, OK, he
live in a better.

2215
02:06:57,240 --> 02:07:00,160
Life.
Yeah, yeah, he did before he got

2216
02:07:00,160 --> 02:07:01,280
a Hummer.
I'm like, oh.

2217
02:07:01,920 --> 02:07:06,000
Yeah, that was probably a
government vehicle, Yeah.

2218
02:07:06,920 --> 02:07:09,720
Yeah, I'm surprised, but see,
Bucky should have walked out and

2219
02:07:09,720 --> 02:07:11,480
said hey, say hi to your sister
for me, see.

2220
02:07:15,160 --> 02:07:19,280
That would be good, yeah.
That would have been fun, but

2221
02:07:19,280 --> 02:07:22,760
OK, so let's see the next MCU
project to come out.

2222
02:07:22,760 --> 02:07:25,680
Is it the Thunderbolts 'cause I
don't think any of the shows are

2223
02:07:25,680 --> 02:07:28,960
starting until I think what?
I mean iron.

2224
02:07:28,960 --> 02:07:30,960
Heart is in the summer, right?
Yeah.

2225
02:07:32,160 --> 02:07:34,200
So right now, that's the.
Only thing.

2226
02:07:34,800 --> 02:07:37,760
OK.
Yeah, OK.

2227
02:07:38,000 --> 02:07:39,680
So.
No one watching.

2228
02:07:40,600 --> 02:07:40,920
Huh.
I'm.

2229
02:07:41,640 --> 02:07:43,880
The only one watching Watching
what?

2230
02:07:44,320 --> 02:07:48,600
The Spider Man cartoon.
Oh, OK, well, technically

2231
02:07:48,600 --> 02:07:51,960
speaking, that's not MCU, but
I'm, I'm probably gonna watch

2232
02:07:51,960 --> 02:07:54,640
it.
But we have other things that we

2233
02:07:54,640 --> 02:07:58,800
have to prioritize on this show
based on what we cover so.

2234
02:07:58,920 --> 02:08:02,120
Goodbye.
Is he?

2235
02:08:02,880 --> 02:08:04,000
Born.
Is he daredevil?

2236
02:08:04,000 --> 02:08:05,680
Born again.
It's this year.

2237
02:08:07,520 --> 02:08:11,200
Yeah, but it's not until later
this year is I think.

2238
02:08:11,920 --> 02:08:13,880
Think about.
Fantastic.

2239
02:08:13,880 --> 02:08:17,400
Fantastic Four is in the summer.
I think that's July alright, so.

2240
02:08:18,200 --> 02:08:19,440
Then it'd be.
Thunderbolt.

2241
02:08:19,440 --> 02:08:22,000
Yeah, Thunderbolts come because
Thunderbolts comes out my

2242
02:08:22,000 --> 02:08:26,320
birthday weekend.
Wait, wait, This ain't that

2243
02:08:26,320 --> 02:08:29,040
wait.
This OK question.

2244
02:08:29,720 --> 02:08:34,200
So is Thunderbolts their name
after the president?

2245
02:08:36,520 --> 02:08:40,400
Yes, OK.
Yes, there's the whole pesky

2246
02:08:40,440 --> 02:08:43,040
thing with that asterisk.
Yeah, I saw that asterisk.

2247
02:08:43,080 --> 02:08:45,280
Me when they said the
Thunderbolt some like.

2248
02:08:47,120 --> 02:08:49,760
And when they mentioned it in
the movie, I was like, oh,

2249
02:08:50,120 --> 02:08:53,120
that's the.
Same do they go.

2250
02:08:53,320 --> 02:08:55,320
Together, it's probably.
I don't know that Even so great

2251
02:08:55,320 --> 02:08:56,640
question, so.
I have a theory.

2252
02:08:57,440 --> 02:09:00,080
So I think that they can't,
they're not, they can't call

2253
02:09:00,080 --> 02:09:03,560
themselves the Thunderbolts
because Thunderbolt is because

2254
02:09:03,760 --> 02:09:06,200
Ross is in the raft, like he's
locked up.

2255
02:09:06,640 --> 02:09:08,640
So if they want to have a
positive image, they can't name

2256
02:09:08,640 --> 02:09:10,360
themselves after somebody who's
locked up.

2257
02:09:10,920 --> 02:09:12,360
It's like, why would they call
themselves that?

2258
02:09:12,360 --> 02:09:14,960
They already have a bad, they
already have a bad image because

2259
02:09:14,960 --> 02:09:17,560
most of them are mercenaries and
killers and shit.

2260
02:09:17,920 --> 02:09:19,440
So they're trying to their
image.

2261
02:09:19,440 --> 02:09:23,760
Why would they name themselves
after after somebody who just

2262
02:09:23,760 --> 02:09:27,280
tore up Washington, DC and
crushed the fucking White House

2263
02:09:27,440 --> 02:09:30,360
right like that?
That that is counterproductive

2264
02:09:30,360 --> 02:09:32,680
to anything that makes you look
positive.

2265
02:09:32,960 --> 02:09:35,320
And you know what I just thought
about maybe that's what the

2266
02:09:35,320 --> 02:09:38,640
whole congressional hearing is
that we that we see at the

2267
02:09:38,640 --> 02:09:43,320
beginning of the trailer.
Because what is the one thing

2268
02:09:43,320 --> 02:09:46,840
about Valentina says she says
The Avengers aren't coming.

2269
02:09:47,320 --> 02:09:52,440
Maybe that has to do with the
aftermath of Ross's hulking out.

2270
02:09:54,360 --> 02:09:56,800
Probably.
OK Oh, there is one other thing

2271
02:09:56,800 --> 02:10:01,080
about the movie that I wanted to
mention that was very different,

2272
02:10:01,640 --> 02:10:06,080
and that's the absence of the
Marvel scroll at the beginning

2273
02:10:06,080 --> 02:10:10,200
of the movie.
Yeah, that was very strange

2274
02:10:10,200 --> 02:10:13,840
because the screening that I
went to, of course, because it

2275
02:10:13,840 --> 02:10:17,960
was a, it was a fan event
screening, we didn't get any, we

2276
02:10:17,960 --> 02:10:20,960
didn't get any promos or any
trailers before.

2277
02:10:21,320 --> 02:10:26,280
So it literally, it started on
time at 7:00 and then they ended

2278
02:10:26,280 --> 02:10:30,880
up stopping it right before Ross
got to stage to start speaking

2279
02:10:30,880 --> 02:10:33,760
to everyone because they were
waiting for a few other people

2280
02:10:33,760 --> 02:10:36,240
to get there.
And I thought I was like, that's

2281
02:10:36,240 --> 02:10:39,840
a weird way to start the movie.
And then when it started again,

2282
02:10:40,880 --> 02:10:43,640
I noticed it again.
I was like, that's a weird way

2283
02:10:43,640 --> 02:10:46,280
to start the movie.
It's like it, it started as a

2284
02:10:46,280 --> 02:10:53,320
cold open and then they did a a
title screen and then they went

2285
02:10:53,320 --> 02:10:55,520
into the movie and I was like,
so why didn't we get it?

2286
02:10:56,080 --> 02:10:58,640
I don't know.
I got to I got to look it up.

2287
02:10:58,720 --> 02:11:01,400
Now that we've had this
discussion, now I can start

2288
02:11:01,400 --> 02:11:04,880
going to read articles and stuff
because I didn't want, you know,

2289
02:11:05,200 --> 02:11:07,720
you know how I am.
I don't read anybody's things

2290
02:11:07,720 --> 02:11:10,120
before we before we have our
discussion.

2291
02:11:10,120 --> 02:11:13,040
So now I can look it up and go
see and be like, oh, that's why

2292
02:11:13,040 --> 02:11:14,600
they're doing that.
But yeah, I thought that was

2293
02:11:14,600 --> 02:11:17,840
really weird.
Like that's how we start,

2294
02:11:17,920 --> 02:11:20,000
Captain.
That was strange.

2295
02:11:20,720 --> 02:11:21,880
OK.
It was well.

2296
02:11:22,840 --> 02:11:25,040
Their devil born Again starts
March 4th.

2297
02:11:25,240 --> 02:11:27,160
That's crazy.
Yeah, like soon.

2298
02:11:27,160 --> 02:11:30,640
Soon.
Oh OK so I guess I need to like

2299
02:11:30,640 --> 02:11:35,640
watch the original one on on
Disneyland before that.

2300
02:11:35,720 --> 02:11:37,240
Start have fun speed watching
that.

2301
02:11:37,960 --> 02:11:43,360
OK, this is what it say.
It's a in in the Marvel

2302
02:11:43,360 --> 02:11:45,960
Cinematic Universe, Captain
America's first film, Captain

2303
02:11:45,960 --> 02:11:49,040
America First Avenger did not
feature the standard Marvel

2304
02:11:49,040 --> 02:11:51,560
title score in the beginning
because it was intended to feel

2305
02:11:52,440 --> 02:11:54,640
like a classic World War 2 era
film.

2306
02:11:54,720 --> 02:11:57,840
So because the first one didn't
have, they didn't put it in

2307
02:11:57,840 --> 02:12:04,080
this.
Oh, OK, per Google, per per the

2308
02:12:04,080 --> 02:12:10,280
Googles, OK, OK, cool.
OK, so Daredevil is coming up.

2309
02:12:10,280 --> 02:12:14,280
I'm I'm assuming you guys want
to cover Daredevil, right?

2310
02:12:15,000 --> 02:12:16,560
Yes.
Michelle is like.

2311
02:12:17,760 --> 02:12:19,320
Yeah, 'cause the Punisher is in.
Oh yeah.

2312
02:12:19,360 --> 02:12:20,920
Oh.
Oh, yes, yes.

2313
02:12:21,280 --> 02:12:25,920
OK, so Daredevil is coming up.
As I know there's a accountant

2314
02:12:25,920 --> 02:12:28,240
too and Shane is going to be.
Yeah.

2315
02:12:28,320 --> 02:12:28,720
Oh yeah.
Yeah.

2316
02:12:29,920 --> 02:12:34,720
OK, OK, so Daredevil
Thunderbolts.

2317
02:12:36,920 --> 02:12:40,280
It says the Thunderbolts has an
asterisk because I'm a poster.

2318
02:12:40,480 --> 02:12:42,240
It says The Avengers are not
available.

2319
02:12:45,360 --> 02:12:48,880
That is funny.
That that's for I have.

2320
02:12:48,880 --> 02:12:50,400
To look at the poster the next
time I'm at.

2321
02:12:50,760 --> 02:12:56,640
Right.
OK, which again, ties into the

2322
02:12:56,640 --> 02:13:00,760
trailer where Valentina is at
the congressional hearing.

2323
02:13:00,760 --> 02:13:02,800
She's like, The Avengers are not
coming.

2324
02:13:02,800 --> 02:13:06,160
And then you have this ragtag
team that she's putting together

2325
02:13:06,720 --> 02:13:10,280
from her new from her new digs
at.

2326
02:13:12,040 --> 02:13:14,200
Avengers Tower.
Oh, yeah.

2327
02:13:15,080 --> 02:13:17,200
OK.
All right, so we got a few

2328
02:13:17,200 --> 02:13:20,160
things coming up Marvel wise
that we'll be discussing.

2329
02:13:20,480 --> 02:13:26,440
I think we've all said our piece
on Captain America and yeah, it

2330
02:13:26,520 --> 02:13:29,040
it, it didn't feel like Captain
America to me, but it's a

2331
02:13:29,040 --> 02:13:31,840
Captain America movie.
Anthony Mackie was great.

2332
02:13:31,840 --> 02:13:35,000
And on that note, that is it for
our show.

2333
02:13:35,320 --> 02:13:38,640
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2334
02:13:38,640 --> 02:13:41,520
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2335
02:13:41,520 --> 02:13:43,360
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2336
02:13:43,360 --> 02:13:45,200
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2337
02:13:45,200 --> 02:13:48,240
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2338
02:13:48,240 --> 02:13:50,840
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2339
02:13:50,840 --> 02:13:52,560
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