Fandom Hybrid Podcast #41 - The Stand (2020) Ep. 5

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What's up hybrids?
Welcome back to another episode

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of Venom hybrid podcast.
This is hanako.

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And I'm here with Anthony and we
are discussing episode 5 of The

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Stand.
And, you know, I've been

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spending this evening editing
the previous episode, where we

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discussed episodes, three and
four.

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And there were some things that
we talked about in that show

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that completely fell flat in
this episode.

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And I just feel Some kind of way
about it.

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What do you feel flat?
So in the Shell that we did four

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episodes three and four we were
talking about some of the events

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that happened and we talked
about some of the characters and

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one of the characters that we
brought up was Dana our

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introduction to her and how you
know, she was a badass in this

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in that episode and you know,
how they sent her to New Vegas

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is what they're calling me, but
they sent her to New Vegas.

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To be one of the spies because
you know, she's such a badass.

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She can handle herself.
And I have to say I was so.

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So very disappointed with her
character in this episode.

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It was.
Now the thing is, I like the

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actress.
I liked her when she was in

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Boulder. but when she got to New
Vegas, almost from the

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beginning, just the way that
they talk about her character

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life from the beginning, the
first scene of the episode, we

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get Julie and Dana and Lloyd.
And of course, Julie is the

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little cowgirl that we met in
the last episode who first

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encounters Nick, and Tom before
they leave to go to Boulder and

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she obviously ends up in Vegas,
which we figured anywhere the

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Husky, right?
So she comes down to find Dana

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where Dana has already.
She's We made it to Vegas.

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She's already been put on a work
crew and she goes to find her,

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you know, to ask if she's like,
so word around town is you've

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been asking a lot of questions
about flag, you know, about the

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big man and blah, blah blah.
And you, you know, you've been

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making a, you know, making some
noise and people people are

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saying you're being nosy or
whatever.

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Immediately.
I'm like, Dana supposed to be

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smarter than this.
This is one of the reasons why

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they said to her, she's not
supposed to draw attention. into

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herself and like, literally That
was one of the things that they

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mentioned about her throughout
the whole episode about her.

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She's asking a lot of questions
and even when she meets Lloyd

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for the, for the first time and
they're taking her up to their,

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you know, their Penthouse.
She still asking questions a

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winner.
What am I going to meet him?

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And that I and I was just like,
I was literally holding my head

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in my hands this whole episode
because I was like, one, you are

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not subtle in the least, right?
So you have the worst control of

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facial expressions.
I have ever seen on a character

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ever.
Literally.

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They are not really good at
reading people's expressions.

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Like they were halfway to paying
attention to.

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Can I get that?
But still, it's like she didn't

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even try.
It's like, she looks scared.

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She looked nervous.
She looked afraid of being found

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out.
Like I said, she was too eager.

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She kept asking questions.
She seemed uncomfortable the

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whole time.
It just, I had so many hopes for

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her character when we were
introduced to her in, like, from

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the beginning.
Meaning of this episode all the

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way to the very end.
I was just disappointed.

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I was just like Really?
This is what y'all did with

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character her character was.
It wasn't that different?

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Well, she's a little different
in the books, right later.

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The book in the books.
She like she what she basically.

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Well one.
That's pretty most right beside

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a little bit longer.
Shit.

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Actually worked her way up to
being Lloyd's girlfriend.

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The the heart that Julie is
playing now.

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She had worked her way up to
being a lawyer's girlfriend, and

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literally had him.
Fooled, had them all food for a

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long time.
And then I think flag kind of

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found it out and told Lloyd, and
then that was comes to sleeping

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with Lloyd in the book.
She was like, yes, she's

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sleeping over the top.
Right, right.

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And, you know, as she did it to
the point where he was really

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pissed off, because she fooled
him.

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Like he really thought she was
into him.

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Yeah, house.
The way that they did it with

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this character again.
I know that there are some

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changes.
Like I said, you know, Julie was

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lawyer's girl and then they did
this whole thing where they were

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bringing her in for threesome.
And then you know, the vibe of

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New Vegas was very almost
hedonistic.

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Kind of almost.
Yes, it was Sodom and Gomorrah.

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Yes, but you know what?
One of the things about Hedonism

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is this supposed to be Like
ultimate pleasure without pain.

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And there wasn't painting that
because you had the fighting

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pits where they were literally
hacking each other to death.

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So that's why I say almost, but
yes, like Vegas, Randall, Flags,

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Vegas is the epitome of sex
drugs, and rock, and roll, you

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know, you know, what?
I thought of I thought this is

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basically Lloyd's wet dream
because it seemed like

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everything was with Lloyd would
want in A place right there.

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Seems to be something that would
be like this.

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This is this was his vision of
how everything should be.

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Alright, you know, when you
know, Randall, just hope knock

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yourself out right now.
I was not one of the thing.

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I know you're talking about her
character.

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I'm very disappointed in Lloyds
character.

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Like McGill.
No for real.

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No for real would be like roll.
Over in his grave, as in like,

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what did you guys do with this
character?

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Like, well, he's one.
He's younger.

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He's a younger version of the
character and all of them.

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I mean, think about it in the
original and in the books.

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Again, we're talking about a,
we're talking about stories that

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are about 30 years apart.
So wouldn't you excuse me?

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40 years, apart.
I keep forgetting because I was

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17 when I started reading it.
So but you know, you're talking

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about a book that takes place in
like the 80s.

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So it was a little more toned
down.

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As far as that, like, Randall
Flagg was, he was the, he was

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the boogeyman, he was the guy
who was getting them out of

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situations and, you know, there
was a little bit of a hierarchy

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in the original version, but it
wasn't.

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What it is now, you know, it
kind of hinted at like the Vegas

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Vibe or the sexual Vibe, but it
wasn't anything.

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So blatant as this iteration is
I don't mind that as much.

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There's that that I'm totally
okay with, I'm just not.

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Okay.
With Lloyd being a clown, he was

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literally a clown and, and
there's a way I would I think

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there's a way that you could
could modernize Lloyd in a way

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where he's not a clown, you
know, well, this list be so

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Lloyd is in a position where he
is Flags right-hand, man, so,

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he's got the position and he's
now got the ego to go along with

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it.
And, you know, he's kind of

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drunk off of Power.
I know.

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But I think I think Power.
They act like clowns it will

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absolute power corrupts.
Absolutely some common theme in

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this show, but we talked about
it in every episode of every

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series, but I think it's
probably more or less my own

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fault because I had, I had kind
of put Lloyd in the category of

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people who were put in positions
where they had no choice to to

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choose to be with Randall.
Flag that maybe in him was a

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good person since you know, he
didn't want to kill anyone in

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the robbery.
He was upset when someone

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actually died, but I understand
he would be into Fame.

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But like I said, I thought I was
thinking there was no way they

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could have done the portrayal
without him coming off as a

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clown.
Like I say, it's probably have a

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little more dignity.
This is a little bit more.

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Like you can still have the fun
and beautiful.

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And guy but not be like, just,
he just seemed to be just a

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complete, filthy nasty animal,
who deserves whatever he gets

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right, you know, snorting coke
and again you're impotent at the

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dimension of random.
Is this?

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And you can't tell me that.
Julie doesn't know what she's

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doing.
She do she does.

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She's see our business is doing
it on purpose.

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She was like, are you okay?
And, you know, I said this, the

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last episode, I said, I
absolutely love cat McNamara as

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Julie Lowry.
And, you know, when we were

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introduced to her in the last
episode, in this episode, I have

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to say, I think, Julie Lowry
might be one of my favorite

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characters of hers ever now.
Like, she no one can pull out

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for dignified skank, as well as
Oh my gosh, he's doing such a

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great job of it and it is
amazing.

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I'm loving it.
Absolutely.

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Loving it and then her wardrobe,
you know, she is like all

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glammed out and she is living it
up for.

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She's like, okay if I have to
suck up to the right-hand man to

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get this Glitz and glamour, I'm
going to do it but I don't have

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to necessarily like it.
So it's like she's sucking up to

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him and at the same time.
I'm bringing him down like like

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when they were there on the bed.
They were trying to make out

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with Dana and they're kissing
and stuff.

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Is she said something about flag
and he's like, you know, I don't

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like it when you say his name
will we're about to fucking.

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She's told she turns the Dana
but she's like, oh, I forgot.

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He doesn't like it when I say
mister flags and and she

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literally turns this visit in
his face like several times and

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he's just he can't get it up now
and Goes to the bathroom and

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he's embarrassed and she is like
silently cracking up, because

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this is so funny to her.
It's funny.

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This is not going to happen.
We can go shopping know.

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What's funny is.
He says, he says, I told you

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this like five times and I'm
thinking to myself, multiply

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that times for he's probably,
he's probably told her about 20

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times.
What I am absolute.

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Okay, so I talked about how much
I didn't like the way they did,

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they Has character in this
Julie's cares.

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It's absolutely loving.
Absolutely love her.

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You you mentioned, you mentioned
Julia's worship.

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Dana's were Drew was just as
good as wardrobe was good to

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that.
That last outfit she had on the

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glittery pants.
Repair answer like they were

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dressed to the nines and New
Vegas and they were in even even

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Lloyd's soup.
Your head on it for fight with

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Pretty Fly.
He was he was just looking, they

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were all looking good.
But it was it was just Again,

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characters.
That's one of the things that

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makes the stand the story that
it is and I just felt like, they

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just felt like they did
anything.

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Yeah, but Dana thing was, was a
little strange and odd.

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I could have gotten over a
little bit of it, except for her

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facial expressions.
Her facial expressions took me

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out of the whole story like
because it was such a

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distraction.
I was like, why are you looking

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so obviously uncomfortable.
Like you're supposed to be

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undercover.
You're supposed to be blending

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in.
You're not supposed to be making

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yourself stand out.
You know, and it's just like it,

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just, it, it took me out of the
story.

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It was odd because it was
completely opposite in the book

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in the book.
She didn't stand out and flag

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was the one that sent for her.
So that it I wonder if it was

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just just a change because
because they, I don't want to

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say that they, they don't.
The try.

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It seems like the writing the
story really for people who

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haven't read the book because
that change ever.

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So subtle, just if you read the
book, it would just make you

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think what what are they doing?
Dana?

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You're at me.
Like, that's not how she was

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supposed to be.
Yeah.

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She she didn't stand out and I
don't know.

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I don't know if they want
because I'm trying.

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How am I supposed to do this?
Like, remember, I think I said,

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how do they not have this flag?
Not know they're coming.

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You know, that would be the
question you would have watching

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this, but if you read the book,
he knew they were coming.

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And they were they who knew they
were and here is almost as if

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they're like, well, we're going
to kind of make it look like he

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doesn't know but we in reality.
No, he does know.

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Right?
Whoo-hoo, the spots are and

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thing I have ever tried.
Yeah, they're trying to I don't

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want to use words to Verde.
Expectations again, but he kinda

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wanted to have it where with
made her stand out.

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Was her asking questions as
opposed to him already knowing?

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Yeah, I mean to build up to the
climax of the episode, you know,

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when see go was he finally meets
him because then he's like aha.

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I knew all along.
I mean, as opposed to we already

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know he knew that mean this is
like this is trying to mess with

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our expectations, but you didn't
The way where you took away,

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everything that we kind of liked
about Dana, you just kind of

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whitewashed it all the way and
made you relevant.

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Right?
The other thing since you since

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you mention about him knowing
who the spies were, so the other

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thing that I did not like was,
of course, once she goes once

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flag calls for her and they push
her out the elevator basically

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at this point, you know, flag
pretty much his figured out

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which We saw, he probably, he
kind of sort of looked at her

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when they were there watching
the fight, you know, he was

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making a speech to everyone and
his face kind of singled her

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out.
He looked at her and was still

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talking, right?
Right.

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So we know that was only her
sing.

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It like saying that he saw her,
so she goes up to his Penthouse

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and he asks, her about the
spies.

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He tells her that he knows that
she's a spy.

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He's not, he's been watching her
ever since she left Boulder.

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Okay, which that made sense?
Because this is Randall Flagg.

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He's supposed to be all-knowing.
And one of the things about him

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is that he couldn't see what was
going on in Boulder.

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So, of course, he would see them
once they come out.

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This is what I didn't like.
So she sees Tom Cullen down in

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the pits.
He's one of the people that

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cleans up the body parts in the
dead bodies.

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After they do this little
hacking fight that they, you

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know, that they do, the fighting
ring, and she makes an excuse to

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go down into the pits, to talk
to him because she wants to warn

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him about leaving.
This bug me so much because The

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main things about the story.
The original story is that the

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spies could not know who they
who each other were, because

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Randall Flagg can read minds.
So all he has to do is just look

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and see what you're thinking
about or look, you know, look

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for the answers that he wants,
and he be able to get it.

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That was one of the big things
about sending them separately

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and them, not knowing who the
other person.

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One was.
Yeah, and it seemed like a

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failure.
I hope her part to kind of

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single him out for something.
Right?

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I mean, and and like you say
that, I don't know.

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I don't understand why they
wrote that in there.

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I don't understand why that was
part of the story and why should

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have him a note likewise, ER,
give him a note and he can't

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read.
And, I understand that she might

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not know that he, she doesn't.
She doesn't, she doesn't know

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him, really.
She has seen.

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Him, but she doesn't know him.
But again, this is this is the

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part where I say that was a
change to the original story

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that you didn't have to make,
didn't have to make.

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And even in the contest, even in
the context of this story.

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It's not even important.
It's not even, it's not even

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relevant.
Like, what have we gained by her

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going to him?
We as the people watching, as

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the viewers, we know who he is.
We know that he's there.

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You already shown this that he's
Is there.

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So what was the purpose of that
whole scene other than to, to

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let us know that now Julie and
Lloyd have seen the last person

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that she was talking to, so
right.

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It starts making inquiries.
Well, I need to know who the

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first spy is.
They'll be like, oh, well, she

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was talking to this dude, and
she was making it very, you

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know, she was being very
adamant.

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We write it was again, so out of
character for who Dana was

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supposed to be.
Yeah.

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And from from the then seems
like something really stupid to

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have to write into the show to,
to set us up for Randall, trying

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to figure out, figure out, who
the third is five years.

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It's just, I don't know.
You would think they could do

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better.
They really could be better

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without making Dana's character
appear even worse than she is,

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right?
And we've seen her in a pressure

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situation, make really good
decisions.

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Asians, you know, we've seen her
in a life-or-death situation

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making good decisions.
So all the decisions she made in

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this, since she went to Vegas
seem to be dubious at best,

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don't dump dubious at best them
at the worst.

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And any other the last thing
with Dana is when she she thinks

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she's killed.
Randall Flagg, you know, she

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take some scissors and shears.
Was it into his neck?

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He pretends like he's dead and
he gets up and he still asking

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her.
Who's the third spot?

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Who's the third spot?
That doesn't fit with what we're

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supposed to know about flag
because flag, went need to ask

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her.
He could have tried to read her

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mind and then the way that they
set this up with her going to

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meet Tom.
He would have seen that.

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So none of that made sense from
a story point of view.

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It just didn't flow, right?
Right.

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Well, Let's give them the
benefit of a doubt.

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I'm getting antsy steer from
Hanukkah.

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The main one always talking
about, we are giving the writers

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too much credit.
And now you want to give them

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some credit.
Let's give them a this.

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This this is, let's try this.
Try this.

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Let's just the same.
Let's say he can read minds, but

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Dana doesn't know, Tom's name.
She went after nose.

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Now.
She'll all he would have to do

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is see his face.
Well all he's seeing, if he read

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her mind all he would see with
she was asking asking for a

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bracelet that she lost and then
he was see Tom's response and

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how he is and everybody calling
him dumb it all he has to all he

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would have to do literally is Go
Ask.

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Okay where the dummies.
Well good, but if you think

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about this, if you see did you
talk to him if They assume that

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that may have been the spot.
Maybe you tried to read his

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mind.
And, you know, Tom's brain.

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Is he going to be just this
going to be a mess?

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Anyway, so this say this, this
is a, the Raptors are just

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seeing Tom, Cullen is so dumb.
That Randall reads his mind and

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doesn't realize.
He's a spy.

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So that's why he stumped.
He stepped because he can't

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figure it out.
Because he can't really read Tom

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Collins mine.
And when you tries to read his

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mind, his mind is a mess.
So he doesn't dig any deeper.

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He can't possibly be the spot.
He's already assumed that

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they're all smart because he's
like, oh, yeah, you got the old

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lady outside the town and you
know, yeah.

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Y'all had to staggered entry.
Right?

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So he's ready when issues come
into contact with.

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So you probably use like what?
Maybe they haven't spoken to

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each other and don't know.
We took, you know, have have

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actually talked to each other
since since they've been there,

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then he would just be like,
okay.

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Well, it can't it's not this guy
because he's an idiot.

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That's how overconfident
Randall.

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Flagg.
Is this, how cocky he is.

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He's like he just glanced at
times of mine.

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No, no possible way and moved on
to the next.

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That's why he stumped.
He doesn't make any sense to him

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and they're not going to figure
it out because there's no

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possible way.
They would have sent someone as

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dumb as time.
I'm coming to to spy on them and

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let me just let me just make it
clear.

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We're not calling Tom Cullen.
Dumb where it words.

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No.
No, we're not calling him dumb

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recalling.
We're saying with the people in

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context think of him.
Yeah.

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I just wanted if there's
something completely different.

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Yeah.
I'm glad you made that clear.

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I don't think Tom Cullen is
dumb.

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That's that's not even what
we're talking about is is how

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he's perceived by the Leave the
bastards who are running lost

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Vegas, where that lady at the
front desk, when he was checking

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in on, exactly reach through the
TV and punch her between her

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Escape.
Well, hey, it's so bad.

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The guard was like, wait, is the
guards?

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Both of them?
Like, wait a second.

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We don't treat any mood is
coming here.

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They're free wheel like that, no
matter who they are.

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Yeah.
I mean, I give them credit for

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that because they saw enough to
her her place in sorry.

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No.
No.

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We Just not gonna throw him in
the slave pain because you don't

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like them, right?
Yeah.

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I'm saying.
So I'll give him credit for

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that.
Yeah, but you know because that

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they basically saying, no, no,
no, you can't just no, we're

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just talking to treat people any
kind of way that come here.

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So, I'm okay.
At that.

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That was like the one bright
spot in the whole episode.

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When these two random security
people like, no, no, no.

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No, that's not what we're going
to do with him.

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Anyone who comes here with their
Free Will is treated with

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respect.
They're, they're, they're

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considered a citizen.
That's right, and I'm okay with

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that.
But we are not calling Tom

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coming down that, that is the
perspective of the people who

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don't know any better.
Yeah.

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Okay.
I just have one more thing to

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say about Vegas.
And then we can go back to

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Boulder cook because I mean,
really Vegas, this episode was

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Danna Lloyd, and Julie for the
most part. yeah, but We're

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seeing more and more of Randall,
Flagg, and Alexander Skarsgard

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as Randall.
Flagg is like, probably the best

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casting decision.
They did for this show.

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I think he's perfect.
I keep thinking of all the times

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when he was playing Eric and
Trueblood right, where he went

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from soft, sweet and caring,
Eric to I'm Going to rip your

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head off.
Exactly.

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There it is.
He was doing it and I'm like,

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wow, that this guy is, he's
incredible.

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Incredible.
And I mean he he has that kind

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of Charisma that you think of
with Randall Flagg like yes,

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Randall Flagg is supposed to be
terrifying.

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You know again, he's the boogie
man.

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He's the dark man.
He's the walking dude.

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He's supposed to be all of these
terrifying things, but He has to

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be charismatic to because you
can't be terrifying and bring

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people over to your side
willingly and they're, and

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they're happy to be there.
No, you have to be a charismatic

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person.
And he exudes that in this

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character, but then when, when
he gets dark, he gets dark, like

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there's nothing.
In the original miniseries.

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Randall Flagg to me was more
comical and I don't mean that in

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a good way.
It was like, very cheesy.

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Hmm, you know, I mean, it was
okay by early 90 standards, but

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when you go back and you look at
the series, that's one of the

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things about the series.
I'm like, oh, if I could just

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take, you know, certain things
out of the original miniseries

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and change it.
That's like one of the main

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things because that Roundup.
It was not scary to me.

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He was cheesy.
Hmm morning.

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And it was more comical, more
comical, this version of Randall

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Flagg.
He has some humor, but it comes

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with that Charisma.
It comes with that like deadpan

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humor, and he's kind of, he's
kind of sarcastic, and he's kind

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of a smartass.
But again, he's very he's very

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approachable.
At the beginning.

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Hmm.
And he draws people to him and

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then it gets to the point where
he reaches like, with his

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people, kind of like Messiah
status, but one of the best

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parts of the casting of the
show, yeah.

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Yeah because he's like that in
that they cable series big

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00:28:26,500 --> 00:28:30,500
little lies.
He's an abusive husband, and he

448
00:28:30,500 --> 00:28:34,200
does that he's really sweet and
Extreme.

449
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,600
He has this Darkness to them
that just comes out.

450
00:28:38,100 --> 00:28:40,100
Yeah, in a sec.
He's really good at that.

451
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:41,300
Yeah.
Yeah.

452
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,600
All right.
Let's go to the boulder free

453
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:48,100
zone.
So we're going to we're going to

454
00:28:48,100 --> 00:28:50,700
start from the end of last
episode.

455
00:28:50,700 --> 00:28:55,500
So the end of last episode we
saw Harold and Nadine, they were

456
00:28:55,500 --> 00:28:59,600
finding explosives to kind of
put their plan together for

457
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,900
murdering the boulder, five and
mother Abigail per row.

458
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,600
Randall Flags orders and they
get caught by Teddy, who is

459
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:10,400
Harold's friend, and they being
shoots him and he dies.

460
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:15,800
So we pick up in this episode
with Nadine and Harrell.

461
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:19,000
And they are basically taking
off their clothes because I, you

462
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,100
know, there's blood on the
clothes and they've they've done

463
00:29:22,100 --> 00:29:28,400
something with Teddys body and
Harold is, you know, freaking

464
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,300
out a little bit and they'd he's
trying to calm him and keep him

465
00:29:31,300 --> 00:29:37,600
together and We find out is that
they have taken Teddy's body to

466
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:41,200
the amphitheater and set them up
in a chair and made it look like

467
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:47,100
a suicide.
Now, I don't know about y'all

468
00:29:48,700 --> 00:29:53,400
but one they made him look like
a suicide when they didn't shot

469
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:57,800
him in the chest.
So they moved his body into the

470
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:02,300
chair at the Amphitheatre to
make it look like he committed

471
00:30:02,300 --> 00:30:04,600
suicide.
There's no blood.

472
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,400
Splatter.
There's no, you know, it's just,

473
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,300
it was one of those things where
it is.

474
00:30:09,500 --> 00:30:11,200
There's no CSI.
There.

475
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:16,500
There's, there's no Crossing.
Syd, I mean Larry Larry thought

476
00:30:16,500 --> 00:30:19,700
about it, he was like, oh, that
there is, I fill this hole.

477
00:30:19,700 --> 00:30:23,100
So I feel that he's dubious of
the whole thing's dubious about

478
00:30:23,100 --> 00:30:26,100
the whole thing, but he's about
this doesn't seem right?

479
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:31,800
And then so what happens is they
still send someone out to look

480
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,900
for Harold and of course, they
find Harold and he breaks the

481
00:30:34,900 --> 00:30:38,800
news to Harrell about or, you
know, will somebody else broke

482
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,600
the news?
He's there to confirm that Teddy

483
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:48,300
is dead and how Harold has he
has a good reaction at first,

484
00:30:48,300 --> 00:30:51,900
you know, he's kind of shaking,
he's upset, he turns and he

485
00:30:51,900 --> 00:30:58,200
looks like he's about to cry and
then he says He took the

486
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:03,400
coward's way out, and then
immediately goes into, you know,

487
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,600
what he was talking about
building a movie theater with

488
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,600
all the movies.
We found in the homes.

489
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:13,200
Maybe I can do that now like and
language looking at him like,

490
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:13,900
yeah.
Okay.

491
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:18,200
Before that, though.
He looked like he turned and

492
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,800
tried to summon tears and the
tears are not coming.

493
00:31:22,300 --> 00:31:24,900
So he decided, okay.
This is not going to work.

494
00:31:24,900 --> 00:31:29,000
So when we go the other way, you
know, But you can see that Larry

495
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:33,000
was just like yeah.
What is Love you Till There?

496
00:31:33,300 --> 00:31:35,500
Larry wasn't feeling it like
this?

497
00:31:35,500 --> 00:31:40,700
Some about this in, right?
He can't he doesn't seem to be

498
00:31:40,700 --> 00:31:44,900
like really upset.
But at the same time he doesn't

499
00:31:44,900 --> 00:31:50,500
seem to care either.
I think well, I will say this.

500
00:31:52,300 --> 00:31:54,700
Looking at it from an
outsider's, point of view.

501
00:31:54,700 --> 00:31:56,900
Like if I didn't already know
what was going on.

502
00:31:56,900 --> 00:32:00,500
I would probably look at
Harold's reaction as one

503
00:32:00,500 --> 00:32:03,900
everybody already knows.
He's kind of sort of he's kind

504
00:32:03,900 --> 00:32:09,200
of sort of an introvert and not
very socially Adept.

505
00:32:10,100 --> 00:32:15,700
So I would kind of look at it as
maybe he's processing it and

506
00:32:15,700 --> 00:32:18,900
he's processing it differently
than other people would process

507
00:32:18,900 --> 00:32:21,100
it.
I would probably look at it.

508
00:32:21,300 --> 00:32:25,200
If he's in shock because
sometimes when people, you know,

509
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:29,400
when people deal with that, they
don't know how to react.

510
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:33,000
It's kind of like one of those
things where it's like there is

511
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:40,700
a brains of expected reactions.
It seems as though Larry is is

512
00:32:40,700 --> 00:32:44,800
looking like he's not showing
anything in their brains are

513
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:50,000
reactions isn't as in.
We expect you two to be either

514
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,000
upset.
To be even if you're a person

515
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,200
who was somewhat aloof, like
Carol D is, they're still going

516
00:32:56,200 --> 00:33:00,600
to react a certain way, but hair
is reaction is so against

517
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:05,400
whatever should be on that range
that instinctively Larry's like.

518
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,200
Cuz you know, there is good at
reading people.

519
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:11,000
He instinctively was like, you
the look on his face.

520
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:18,000
Like I don't know about this cat
but I feel like when it's still

521
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,800
would be still would be on that.
And still be like, oh, They were

522
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:23,800
Harold is a little bit
different.

523
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:25,600
So he's going to take a little
bit differently.

524
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,500
That was his friend.
Larry's like yeah, that was his

525
00:33:28,500 --> 00:33:31,300
friend.
But his reaction ain't on the

526
00:33:31,300 --> 00:33:36,700
spectrum of expected Reactions
where he first reacted when he

527
00:33:36,700 --> 00:33:40,600
first talked the stew.
I felt like he had an

528
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:44,700
appropriate reaction and then it
I think it was when he turned

529
00:33:44,700 --> 00:33:47,900
around and then turn back and
immediately went into the movie

530
00:33:47,900 --> 00:33:50,300
theater thing.
That was the thing that would

531
00:33:50,300 --> 00:33:53,300
have said that would Have been
like okay, something's not right

532
00:33:53,300 --> 00:33:55,100
about him.
Yeah, because it looked like he

533
00:33:55,100 --> 00:33:59,600
was going to cry and he couldn't
pull up the tears.

534
00:33:59,900 --> 00:34:04,300
So he went to plan B.
I think he had the tears at the

535
00:34:04,300 --> 00:34:09,199
beginning.
No, he turned around almost like

536
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,100
to do more.
He started out.

537
00:34:12,100 --> 00:34:14,000
I agree with you.
He started out like he was

538
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:15,600
going.
He looked like he was going to

539
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:19,900
be sad and upset and he turned
around to close the deal.

540
00:34:20,699 --> 00:34:23,000
And the tears didn't come out,
right?

541
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:28,500
Hey, you like The Herald mode
which was very detached being.

542
00:34:28,500 --> 00:34:32,500
Yeah, whatever, you know, so he
was talking about opening a

543
00:34:32,500 --> 00:34:34,000
movie theater.
Maybe I can do that.

544
00:34:34,300 --> 00:34:38,000
Yeah, because he's natural
reaction was with Nadine.

545
00:34:38,100 --> 00:34:41,900
When they were changing clothes.
He was that would have been if

546
00:34:41,900 --> 00:34:44,900
you had acted that way.
They would have Larry would have

547
00:34:44,900 --> 00:34:47,800
accepted that because that's how
you truly feels, right?

548
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:52,800
A little weird, a little And you
know, and like what is this

549
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,199
really mean?
And you know, I'm kind of upset

550
00:34:55,199 --> 00:34:57,900
about it, but I don't really
kind of know how I should really

551
00:34:57,900 --> 00:35:01,000
feel about it.
No, because it's my fault, but

552
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:02,700
then he didn't want to show that
he did.

553
00:35:02,700 --> 00:35:07,000
It seem like he was overthinking
the situation and I think Larry

554
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:08,900
picked up on that but I agree
with you.

555
00:35:08,900 --> 00:35:11,700
He started out like looking like
okay, I guess.

556
00:35:12,100 --> 00:35:15,200
Yeah, this this is my friend and
I'm sick of seems like that was

557
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,400
we know that was your friend.
Y'all are really close, but then

558
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:22,000
you turned around and it's like
He was thinking about okay, I

559
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,800
guess I should cry.
Okay, that's not working.

560
00:35:28,500 --> 00:35:31,400
It says round.
Oh, yeah, you know he was gonna

561
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,800
have because this because that
was when it seemed like he was

562
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:38,300
formulating an idea.
And I think that is related to

563
00:35:38,300 --> 00:35:43,700
the bomb.
You know, if you've got in in in

564
00:35:43,700 --> 00:35:47,100
his memory, I'm going to show a
movie in the Amphitheatre and

565
00:35:47,100 --> 00:35:50,600
blow everybody up.
Yeah, I think that's that's why

566
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:55,000
he went into that mode of.
I have an idea because you know,

567
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,000
he is who years?
Yeah.

568
00:35:57,500 --> 00:36:04,200
Yeah, but so later on he
confronts mating about shooting

569
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:05,700
Teddy.
He was like, you didn't have to

570
00:36:05,700 --> 00:36:07,800
kill him.
He was like, I was his friend, I

571
00:36:07,808 --> 00:36:09,900
could have, you know, I could
have talked to him, I could have

572
00:36:10,300 --> 00:36:14,900
You know, I don't know if he
thought he might be able to make

573
00:36:14,900 --> 00:36:18,000
him understand or if he was
just, you know, would have found

574
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,800
a way to deflect, but he was
like, I could have handled this,

575
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,300
I could have handled this, he's
upset.

576
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:29,000
And at first Nadine, seems not
necessarily condescending to

577
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,100
him, but she's basically, like,
look, we're here for a purpose.

578
00:36:32,100 --> 00:36:37,200
We have to do what he tells us
to do, and that's it, that was

579
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,000
going to get in the way, and he
goes to grab.

580
00:36:40,100 --> 00:36:46,300
Are around her neck and she uses
that to kind of, you know, do

581
00:36:46,300 --> 00:36:50,600
her little seduction thing, you
know, sweet-talk him.

582
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,400
This is what we're supposed to
do and blah, blah blah.

583
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:57,600
And you know, then we're going
to go to him and you know, she,

584
00:36:58,700 --> 00:37:01,900
you know, give them a hand job
or whatever and then as they're

585
00:37:01,900 --> 00:37:08,000
getting ready to leave.
Here Comes Frannie to find him

586
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,600
like someone's told her told her
that Harold was at the school.

587
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:18,100
So Nadine highs while she talks
to Harold and she's being like

588
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:22,700
really overly friendly with him,
you know, she's inviting him to

589
00:37:22,700 --> 00:37:26,700
dinner and she's like, yeah.
I saw, I heard about Teddy.

590
00:37:26,900 --> 00:37:28,600
I'm so sorry.
Why don't you come to dinner?

591
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:30,700
And it's just like, really
awkward like it.

592
00:37:30,700 --> 00:37:32,800
Even at one point.
They were standing so close

593
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:34,200
together.
Look, like they were about to

594
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,800
kiss.
I was Like what is going on in

595
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:41,200
this scene?
It's just weird, you know, but

596
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,200
then immediately after that, she
goes to Larry's house.

597
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:48,200
And she's basically like hey, we
invited Harold to dinner for

598
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,400
tomorrow night and I need you to
go Snoop in his house while he's

599
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,000
at my house, what?
It's like.

600
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,200
Yeah, like the worst the worst
idea of all ideas.

601
00:37:58,100 --> 00:38:00,900
But then when she said she had
she was like, you know, I'm just

602
00:38:00,900 --> 00:38:02,800
kind of worried.
I feel like he was going to do

603
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,000
something.
He she was like, I know, I know

604
00:38:05,008 --> 00:38:07,000
it sounds ridiculous.
And he was like, nope.

605
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:08,700
It doesn't.
I've been thinking the same

606
00:38:08,700 --> 00:38:12,000
thing and I was like, yeah, like
I felt something when I first

607
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,200
met him and then Joe and I was
like, oh, yeah.

608
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:19,200
So at this point, you kind of
Wonder, is this all of them

609
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:23,400
really being smart and piecing
this all together, or if you

610
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:27,200
know the powers that control
mother Abigail or if God is kind

611
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,200
of planting those ideas in their
heads and making them.

612
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:34,200
Because other than that you
really Okay, I was gonna save

613
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:37,900
this.
Well, I think, I know, I think I

614
00:38:37,908 --> 00:38:46,200
know you were gonna go.
I think, I think, I think the

615
00:38:46,300 --> 00:38:50,900
these group of this group of
people were chosen for a

616
00:38:50,900 --> 00:38:56,300
particular reason, for different
reasons mostly is because of

617
00:38:56,300 --> 00:38:59,800
their instincts, you know, Stu
has good instincts.

618
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:03,000
He's good with people.
Larry has good instincts, he is

619
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:09,700
Good at reading people.
Same thing with Nick, Nick has

620
00:39:09,700 --> 00:39:13,300
that ability to kind of see
people for who they really are.

621
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,600
And I think that is something
that is sort of like this Common

622
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:23,300
Thread.
I don't think because a lot of

623
00:39:24,300 --> 00:39:28,200
I'm trying not to get off way
off base here.

624
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:33,900
But a lot of what most of us
tend to understand about the

625
00:39:33,900 --> 00:39:39,800
Christian God is that he has
given us Freewill like not since

626
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,900
the Old Testament, you know, the
in and he doesn't give his

627
00:39:42,900 --> 00:39:45,600
Visions.
He doesn't kind of tell us what

628
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,500
to do.
He kind of gives us the choices.

629
00:39:48,500 --> 00:39:52,000
He gives us the options and
these people all have Choices,

630
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:56,300
they all have options and it's
up to them to make the choice in

631
00:39:56,300 --> 00:39:59,400
what they do.
Like Larry is presented with

632
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,600
choices and you chooses.
You know, what do you want to

633
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:06,300
do?
Same thing with what's-her-name.

634
00:40:06,300 --> 00:40:09,700
She didn't have to go to a,
Larry to break into Harold's

635
00:40:09,700 --> 00:40:11,700
house.
But that's what she chose to do.

636
00:40:12,100 --> 00:40:16,000
And even when, you know, you
haven't gotten to that yet.

637
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:21,000
But when movie Abigail goes off
on Nick, about the spies, that

638
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,900
was a choice that they made and
they have to deal with the

639
00:40:23,900 --> 00:40:26,700
consequences.
That's where all of this is

640
00:40:26,700 --> 00:40:28,600
about.
These people are making choices

641
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,000
and we have to do with
consequence.

642
00:40:30,300 --> 00:40:35,500
So I don't think it's as much as
God giving giving her no

643
00:40:35,500 --> 00:40:38,600
knowledge or giving her vision
about something.

644
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:42,300
It's just that she's choosing to
follow her Instinct and same

645
00:40:42,300 --> 00:40:45,100
thing with Larry.
There's something not right with

646
00:40:45,100 --> 00:40:48,600
Harold right now and they they
have this desire to figure out

647
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,200
what it is and they're making
choices.

648
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,500
Towards that end.
Does that make sense?

649
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:58,100
It does it does?
Yeah, but while we're on that

650
00:40:58,100 --> 00:41:01,500
subject, so I'm going to talk
about my other, my second

651
00:41:01,500 --> 00:41:04,200
character gripe for this
episode.

652
00:41:04,500 --> 00:41:09,600
Franny Franny.
I love that girl.

653
00:41:11,900 --> 00:41:15,700
Oh.
Let's talk about and this is

654
00:41:15,700 --> 00:41:18,800
another recurring theme in our
podcast.

655
00:41:19,100 --> 00:41:26,000
Let's talk about not being able
to read the room with Miss Fran

656
00:41:26,900 --> 00:41:32,200
goldsman.
So Franny goes to invite Harrell

657
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,900
over for dinner.
She's being exceedingly

658
00:41:35,900 --> 00:41:39,300
friendly.
He comes over for dinner the

659
00:41:39,300 --> 00:41:42,800
next night.
She's dressed up.

660
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,600
She's lay it out, you know, nice
dishes.

661
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,500
She's being overly friendly.
Overly chatty.

662
00:41:48,500 --> 00:41:51,400
She gives Howard a hug when he
gets there.

663
00:41:51,900 --> 00:41:59,200
First of all, that's anybody's
first clue, that something

664
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:05,400
suspicious is going on because
she has not hugged Harold ever,

665
00:42:05,700 --> 00:42:09,000
ever in the court.
No, not ever.

666
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:15,500
Okay, second.
You've spent most of the first

667
00:42:15,500 --> 00:42:19,900
four episodes.
Being such a bitch to him,

668
00:42:20,700 --> 00:42:25,300
correction correction back
before the left.

669
00:42:25,300 --> 00:42:28,600
The hometown.
When they were talking in the

670
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:29,700
house.
She did.

671
00:42:29,700 --> 00:42:36,700
Let her head on you.
Okay, one moment.

672
00:42:37,700 --> 00:42:41,700
She did seek comfort that but
try to comfort him.

673
00:42:41,900 --> 00:42:50,000
One head not does not a friend
make, so then they're doing all

674
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:53,600
of this talking and they're
doing all of this chattering and

675
00:42:54,300 --> 00:42:58,200
he's talking, you know, hair was
just running off at the mouth

676
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,900
doing this thing again.
If you can't tell that Harold is

677
00:43:00,900 --> 00:43:05,600
being fake, something is wrong.
I think Stu is just giving him,

678
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,200
you know, the benefit of the
doubt because still is oblivious

679
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:12,700
to Fran he's playing.
So he doesn't know that Larry is

680
00:43:12,700 --> 00:43:16,400
searching Harold's house.
While Harold is that there's and

681
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:19,100
also students giving him the
benefit of the doubt because he

682
00:43:19,100 --> 00:43:21,100
just lost his best friend.
Right?

683
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:24,600
So students, taking the position
that we're doing this to kind of

684
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:28,300
help come for him and let him
reassuring him and let him know

685
00:43:28,500 --> 00:43:30,900
that were there for him.
If we need if he needs us,

686
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:32,500
right?
So they do you do.

687
00:43:32,700 --> 00:43:34,500
Doesn't know what a friend is
doing, right?

688
00:43:34,500 --> 00:43:38,200
And then here's what frame
really messes up because first

689
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:41,600
of all, she's kind of sort of
zoning in and out of this

690
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:44,200
conversation.
So you see parts of the

691
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,900
conversation where Harold is
talking and she seems really

692
00:43:46,900 --> 00:43:50,600
engaged overly engaged again.
She's not getting faking.

693
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:54,600
She's being like overly
everything at this point and

694
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,500
then other parts of the
conversation she's kind of zoned

695
00:43:57,500 --> 00:43:59,400
out.
She's kind of like you can look

696
00:43:59,700 --> 00:44:02,900
and see that something else is
on her mind or that she's Into

697
00:44:02,900 --> 00:44:06,700
the conversation.
So how about starts telling this

698
00:44:06,700 --> 00:44:12,600
story about when he was eight or
nine years old and his sister,

699
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:17,000
Amy and friend, they take them
to the carnival and, you know,

700
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:20,200
he's telling them about he's
telling still about them playing

701
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,300
games and about this ice cream
thing.

702
00:44:22,300 --> 00:44:24,100
He's like, yeah, we went to go
get ice cream.

703
00:44:24,100 --> 00:44:27,100
And this guy is looking at me,
you know, kind of weird and

704
00:44:27,100 --> 00:44:31,000
their friend walks in, you know,
he sees that face and he ends up

705
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:34,000
giving her three ice cream.
Ames and one of them had

706
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:37,300
chocolate on it as she gives me
the chocolate and he looks at

707
00:44:37,300 --> 00:44:39,100
her and he's like, right, you
remember that story?

708
00:44:39,100 --> 00:44:42,800
You remember she was like, well,
I guess I just felt bad because,

709
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,700
you know, he gave us the ice
creams for free and Harold was

710
00:44:45,700 --> 00:44:49,700
like, yeah, but you know what?
That didn't happen because I

711
00:44:49,700 --> 00:44:54,200
wasn't there and as soon as he
said that I was like, oops.

712
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:57,700
And still is just there.
Looking like he doesn't

713
00:44:57,700 --> 00:45:01,200
understand and she was like,
what he was like, I wasn't

714
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:02,700
there.
That didn't happen.

715
00:45:02,900 --> 00:45:05,800
And she's like, yes it did.
He said, no.

716
00:45:06,300 --> 00:45:08,700
He said, you never took me
anywhere.

717
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:10,800
You never invited me to go
anywhere.

718
00:45:10,900 --> 00:45:13,600
He was like, my sister came home
and told me that story.

719
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:18,000
He was like, you know, and then
he goes into this little thing

720
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:22,800
like, literally, at this point,
friend should be able to read

721
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:28,300
the room.
Harold's voice is almost hostile

722
00:45:28,300 --> 00:45:30,900
at this point.
He's like, yeah, I just sat here

723
00:45:30,900 --> 00:45:34,700
and told a big fat ass lie about
you being nice to me and you

724
00:45:34,700 --> 00:45:37,800
didn't even like, you didn't
even catch it, that it wasn't

725
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:42,300
true, you know, and then he
starts talking about his sister

726
00:45:42,300 --> 00:45:45,800
and how everybody loves Amy.
He was like, you know, I'm kind

727
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,400
of glad my parents went with her
because they wouldn't have been

728
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:53,000
able to survive without her.
And instead of hearing the

729
00:45:53,000 --> 00:46:00,100
bitterness in his voice about
being the odd child out Francis.

730
00:46:00,500 --> 00:46:05,000
I miss her so much.
Are you stupid?

731
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:09,300
Do you not hear the hostility in
voice?

732
00:46:09,300 --> 00:46:14,500
When he talks about his sister
and then he just called you out

733
00:46:14,500 --> 00:46:19,900
for lying and then you take that
whole conversation and

734
00:46:19,900 --> 00:46:23,000
everything that he just said
about how his parents made him

735
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:27,600
feel and how his sister made him
feel and you make it about her.

736
00:46:29,300 --> 00:46:32,400
I was like, I was like, you know
what?

737
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:40,500
Hair, just go ahead and blow the
house up now just like so, Our

738
00:46:40,500 --> 00:46:45,800
character is supposed to be
smarter than that if I may not

739
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:50,000
be remembering this, but I
thought that was a story that

740
00:46:50,500 --> 00:46:54,400
that her sister was telling
people that was it wasn't true.

741
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:57,800
But she was telling people that
story to make Fran the good.

742
00:46:59,100 --> 00:47:04,800
And I know I think that the
story was this happened with Amy

743
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,100
and friend.
When they went to the carnival,

744
00:47:07,100 --> 00:47:09,800
she friend was able to get like
the free ice cream.

745
00:47:09,900 --> 00:47:12,900
Whatever, but Harold, wasn't
there with them.

746
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:16,200
Hey, hold him.
The story about what happened at

747
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:19,000
the carnival.
Okay, but I thought Amy was

748
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:22,400
going around telling people that
the story that she was lying

749
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:27,100
about Harold being there.
And that the story had been told

750
00:47:27,100 --> 00:47:30,900
so many times that it's has sort
of become true.

751
00:47:31,900 --> 00:47:35,400
I don't, I don't remember maybe
that maybe that happened in the

752
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,000
book of the original, but that's
not the way it was being.

753
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:39,700
Yeah, that's not the way it was
being towed.

754
00:47:39,900 --> 00:47:44,100
Told this time and it just don't
use why I brought it up was if

755
00:47:44,100 --> 00:47:47,200
I'm remembering that correctly.
Either from the book of this

756
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:49,900
miniseries that for the original
miniseries.

757
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:53,100
That's another change that
there.

758
00:47:53,100 --> 00:47:55,700
I guess they're change.
Wouldn't be so bad because

759
00:47:56,100 --> 00:48:00,100
there's a shows, how friend
wasn't really paying attention

760
00:48:00,100 --> 00:48:03,900
to that would have been in the
original miniseries because the

761
00:48:03,900 --> 00:48:08,100
way it was in the original
miniseries, like Fran was never

762
00:48:08,100 --> 00:48:12,200
mean to Harrell like, She might
have had a minor annoyance about

763
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:15,600
him having like the Schoolboy
Crush, but that's one that I

764
00:48:15,607 --> 00:48:19,100
mean, first of all friend was
played by Molly Ringwald.

765
00:48:19,100 --> 00:48:23,000
I don't know if Molly Ringwald
has it in her to be a mean hair.

766
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:28,900
But her version of Frannie was
like, the All-American Girl.

767
00:48:28,900 --> 00:48:29,900
Yeah.
Yeah.

768
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:34,100
Nice, you know, gives people a
chance, like, she was really

769
00:48:34,100 --> 00:48:37,000
sweet to Harold.
Even though Harold was a little

770
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,700
bit weird.
She was never mean.

771
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:43,800
Two hands ever mean to him.
So even the story, he told about

772
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:48,000
the nail about her tilling, you
know, she didn't even remember

773
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,900
that, right?
Tell him to put, you know, those

774
00:48:50,900 --> 00:48:54,400
reject Slater's on the nail and
then I said something about it

775
00:48:54,408 --> 00:48:59,800
and she's like, oh, yeah, I
remember so is it was just one

776
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:05,800
of those and I was just like
Franny is supposed to be smarter

777
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,800
than that because like how do
you go from treating somebody

778
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:11,600
like there?
The bottom of your shoe, like,

779
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:13,400
literally that's how she treats
her.

780
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:17,800
For the most part to all of a
sudden, you're Chatty Cathy and

781
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:21,000
inviting him over and giving him
hugs and blah blah.

782
00:49:22,100 --> 00:49:26,500
No Harold's not stupid.
That's that's the one thing that

783
00:49:26,500 --> 00:49:31,000
she does under it.
I mean, If he hasn't shown you

784
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:37,100
from the beginning, how smart
and intuitive he is, you know,

785
00:49:37,100 --> 00:49:40,700
he was the one that came up with
the plan to leave Ogunquit and

786
00:49:40,700 --> 00:49:45,400
to go to the CDC.
He was the one who literally

787
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:48,100
saved her life.
He was the one who got her to

788
00:49:48,100 --> 00:49:51,300
Boulder.
Safely Harold is not stupid by

789
00:49:51,300 --> 00:49:55,400
any stretch of the imagination.
But yet she's treating him like

790
00:49:55,400 --> 00:50:01,300
he is And I have a problem with
that because it's like, she's

791
00:50:01,300 --> 00:50:05,600
not supposed to be that dense.
And that's how she's coming

792
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:12,500
across in this episode, like
just under, I don't know.

793
00:50:12,500 --> 00:50:18,400
It just it bugs me so much.
Well, obvious characters in

794
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:21,400
Boulder have made poor
decisions.

795
00:50:21,700 --> 00:50:26,200
Think of the spies was a poor
decision, having Larry break

796
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:30,500
into his house, you know, was a
poor decision, right?

797
00:50:30,500 --> 00:50:34,000
Especially considering that
Harold has surveillance camera.

798
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:38,800
It was cameras and he's a lot
more and of course, they don't

799
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:41,100
know this.
But this is a, this is a guy who

800
00:50:41,100 --> 00:50:45,600
is planning murders, not just
made murder.

801
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:49,800
He is planning murders.
And and my thing is, if you

802
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:55,100
suspect this about him, do you
think they would be easy to

803
00:50:55,100 --> 00:50:57,100
figure it out?
Like he's just going to leave

804
00:50:57,100 --> 00:51:02,100
stuff lying around for you to
find, you know, and I don't

805
00:51:02,100 --> 00:51:05,400
know.
I think I think I think we're

806
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:11,800
bothers me and maybe you also is
that everyone seems to be under

807
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:16,600
estimating Harold.
And like if you kick a person,

808
00:51:16,900 --> 00:51:22,600
you know, as much as he's been
kicked and he's still surviving

809
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:25,200
like he's one of the last people
left on the earth.

810
00:51:25,700 --> 00:51:30,400
He's gonna feel a little bit
more power, you know, especially

811
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:34,000
after being beat down by that
dude was side of the road.

812
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:37,800
He's not going to be so easily
taken down anymore.

813
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:39,300
Right?
What's the right though?

814
00:51:39,300 --> 00:51:41,100
Fran?
This this?

815
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:46,000
I don't know at the meeting when
they were talking about what

816
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,400
they should tell, the people
about the crucified guy.

817
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:51,800
That's when I realized that her
character was not going to be

818
00:51:52,900 --> 00:51:55,400
Was it was not going to be
written very well when she was

819
00:51:55,400 --> 00:52:00,400
like, oh, you know, because
we're Larry say, I mean, am I

820
00:52:00,408 --> 00:52:04,200
the only guy who saw that guy's
eyes turned black and she's

821
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:07,700
like, who knows what we saw, you
know, and I'm thinking myself,

822
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:11,800
really sees season complete and
other than that.

823
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:15,600
Now, so, yes, she would be
stupid enough to tell Larry, to

824
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:19,200
breaking it, to Harold's house
and try to figure out what's

825
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:20,700
going on.
Even though they have no idea

826
00:52:20,700 --> 00:52:22,500
what they're looking for.
It's different if you know,

827
00:52:22,700 --> 00:52:25,100
You're looking for.
If you know, it's again to try

828
00:52:25,100 --> 00:52:29,000
to find but you have no idea.
I just kind of think that he's

829
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,200
doing something.
Well, maybe we can bring this

830
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:36,300
house and get a clue.
That's not specific enough that

831
00:52:36,300 --> 00:52:39,700
isn't and as soon as this
skipping here, soon as Larry

832
00:52:39,700 --> 00:52:43,100
broke into the house, where you
guys have been locked door and

833
00:52:43,100 --> 00:52:45,200
he can get in.
You know, what?

834
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:46,700
I guess.
I'm not going to find what I

835
00:52:46,700 --> 00:52:48,100
need.
Get out of here.

836
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:52,300
And let me also mention.
This is off the subject.

837
00:52:52,700 --> 00:52:56,500
But I always have an issue when
they put Brothers in this

838
00:52:56,500 --> 00:52:59,700
situation with Larry because
he's black.

839
00:52:59,700 --> 00:53:02,900
Why, because what?
He has experience with breaking,

840
00:53:02,900 --> 00:53:08,200
the people's houses.
Can we can we not can we not do

841
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:11,100
that?
You like I do have an issue with

842
00:53:11,100 --> 00:53:13,600
subliminal stuff.
I know I'm being overly

843
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:17,500
sensitive to this but that sends
out your terrible.

844
00:53:17,500 --> 00:53:21,800
Subliminal message to everyone
watching this show that you can

845
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:24,000
ago.
Going to recruit the black man

846
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:27,400
to break into somebody's house,
and then he don't even do it.

847
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:30,400
Right.
He's got the flashlight shining,

848
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:36,300
that goes around the house, do,
okay, make it any more obvious

849
00:53:36,300 --> 00:53:38,700
that you've never broken into
anybody's house.

850
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:42,900
But let me stop.
I just want to say no, you were

851
00:53:42,900 --> 00:53:45,000
right.
Appreciate them.

852
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:48,500
Have the black man breaking in
some white boys house because

853
00:53:48,500 --> 00:53:53,200
then all of a sudden you seen
that this subliminal message, To

854
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:55,500
us that.
That's, that's what we do.

855
00:53:55,500 --> 00:53:57,600
He got on the hoodie has, I'm
sorry.

856
00:53:57,600 --> 00:53:59,400
I'm sitting here watching on the
screen right now.

857
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:01,600
He's breaking into the house.
He's got a hood.

858
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:04,200
Onto walking around with a
flashlight.

859
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:06,500
Come on, guys.
We got to do better.

860
00:54:06,500 --> 00:54:09,300
I thought that too.
I really did because I was like,

861
00:54:09,300 --> 00:54:11,600
okay, you could have gone to.
You could have gone to Glenn.

862
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:15,600
You know, Glenn is not Glenn is
not a 70 year old man in this

863
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:19,600
version.
No, he's not, you know, he could

864
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:27,200
have done it but Anyway, so as
you said, as Larry is clumsily

865
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:30,800
going through Harold's house.
He goes upstairs.

866
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:35,100
He opens up a drawer.
He finds a shirt that he

867
00:54:35,100 --> 00:54:39,800
remembers Nadine wearing and
this shirt is in Harold's drawer

868
00:54:40,900 --> 00:54:45,500
and he gets a call on the radio
from France, saying hey, he's on

869
00:54:45,500 --> 00:54:46,800
his way back, get out of there
now.

870
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:49,900
And like literally Harold is
running to the house because at

871
00:54:49,900 --> 00:54:52,300
this point Harold his kind of
Get out.

872
00:54:52,300 --> 00:54:57,400
Something is going, you know,
something's not, right.

873
00:54:57,400 --> 00:54:59,500
So he's literally running into
his house.

874
00:54:59,500 --> 00:55:02,100
Like he's expecting to catch
someone there.

875
00:55:02,100 --> 00:55:09,000
Okay, and as he's coming in the
door now, or as Larry closes the

876
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:12,400
drawer, he knocks over a book
and it knocks over the chess

877
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:14,900
pieces that are on Harold's
dresser.

878
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:22,200
So he tries to put the pieces
back in the right place.

879
00:55:23,300 --> 00:55:26,400
So this is Harold.
We're talking about Harold who

880
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:31,200
is meticulous Harold, who is
probably a little OCD Harold,

881
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:34,600
who shined his shoes and combed
his hair and made sure

882
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:38,800
everything was in place before
he went to go ask this girl who

883
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:41,100
literally kicked him out of her
house that.

884
00:55:41,500 --> 00:55:42,000
Yeah.
Hey.

885
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:44,300
You want a ride?
Cross-country with me, you know,

886
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:46,500
he's very meticulous about his
things.

887
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:49,700
You can even see that in the
house that he's staying in,

888
00:55:49,900 --> 00:55:52,700
everything is in place.
Nothing was out of place.

889
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:57,300
The door that he needed, secure
was locked something.

890
00:55:57,300 --> 00:56:02,000
I should have told you.
Don't Snoop around here, but he

891
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:05,900
knocks the stuff over.
He gets out just in time Harold

892
00:56:05,900 --> 00:56:08,100
comes into the room.
He looks around, and he looks at

893
00:56:08,100 --> 00:56:14,200
the, he looks at the chessboard
and he noticed his one of his

894
00:56:15,100 --> 00:56:17,700
chess pieces is facing the wrong
direction.

895
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:24,400
Meticulous about that kind of
stuff.

896
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:26,500
They notice stuff like that.
Okay?

897
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:32,800
Props to Larry, forgiving Every
piece back to exactly where it

898
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:36,100
was.
Except the night.

899
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:39,300
Yeah, the night facing the wrong
direction, but props to him

900
00:56:39,300 --> 00:56:42,800
forgetting every piece because
they could have been missed but

901
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:45,400
he saw it.
He put everything back exactly

902
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:47,900
where it was.
I used to be a chess player

903
00:56:47,900 --> 00:56:50,600
because he probably was like,
okay this needs to go here blah

904
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:53,500
blah, blah, blah, blah.
I mean literally that, that that

905
00:56:53,500 --> 00:56:56,600
can be the only thing because
somebody like me who does not

906
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:59,100
play chess.
I would have just looked at it

907
00:56:59,100 --> 00:57:04,400
board and be like, fuck it.
I'm doing because we did.

908
00:57:04,900 --> 00:57:09,200
But at least he also sought a
Deans shirt, which that's going

909
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:11,100
to come back up.
Yeah, it's going to give him a

910
00:57:11,100 --> 00:57:15,900
clue, especially considering the
conversation that hair earlier.

911
00:57:15,900 --> 00:57:20,700
We'll get to that, too.
But then Back to the dinner

912
00:57:20,700 --> 00:57:24,700
before Harold leaves after he
has this little meltdown about

913
00:57:24,700 --> 00:57:28,600
Amy or whatever.
He excuses himself from the

914
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:32,700
table, to go to the restroom,
and he goes upstairs, where the

915
00:57:32,700 --> 00:57:34,800
restroom is supposed to be.
First of all, you want a

916
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:40,200
two-story house in a luxury
subdivision because I saw what

917
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:43,100
the houses looked like.
When they Dean walked out,

918
00:57:43,100 --> 00:57:45,000
looking for Joe early in the
episode.

919
00:57:45,300 --> 00:57:48,400
You can't tell me there's not a
powder room on the on the

920
00:57:48,900 --> 00:57:50,500
bottom.
For why would you send him

921
00:57:50,500 --> 00:57:53,700
upstairs?
There's almost always The Powder

922
00:57:53,700 --> 00:57:56,500
Room on the bottom for the.
Why would you, you know, oh, I

923
00:57:56,500 --> 00:57:59,000
need to use the restroom.
Yeah, up the stairs into your

924
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:02,400
what?
However, it's not a, it's not

925
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:05,800
unheard of houses, not having
powder rooms on the first floor

926
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:09,400
is not unheard of house that
big.

927
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:13,600
No, I'm sorry.
Those are luxury homes when I

928
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:16,900
live in Georgia homes like that.
Okay.

929
00:58:16,900 --> 00:58:19,900
Well continue.
Can t continue With this story.

930
00:58:19,900 --> 00:58:23,200
And I'll, I have a bone to pick.
He goes upstairs.

931
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:28,100
Those upstairs walks into their
bedroom sees a teddy bear, and

932
00:58:28,100 --> 00:58:33,100
they focus on the teddy bear.
And I thought they were going to

933
00:58:33,100 --> 00:58:34,100
folk.
I thought they were going to

934
00:58:34,100 --> 00:58:35,800
take the test.
He was going to take the teddy

935
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:40,100
bear for something else.
But no, he plants a camera in

936
00:58:40,100 --> 00:58:43,700
the teddy bear.
No, he didn't plan the camera.

937
00:58:43,700 --> 00:58:46,100
The camera was already.
There was a nanny cam.

938
00:58:46,900 --> 00:58:53,200
So, how did he get the?
How did he get the I'll have to

939
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:58,100
do is open it up, open it up,
and get the and get the, the

940
00:58:58,100 --> 00:59:02,500
school code off of the OKC, as
The Nanny, cams were way after

941
00:59:02,500 --> 00:59:04,100
my kids were in.
That's now.

942
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:07,100
I don't know.
Well, bomb to pick.

943
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:16,100
Okay, one it has a battery.
And and I'm not gonna, he must

944
00:59:16,100 --> 00:59:19,000
be like, I don't want to see a
high level hacker, and it

945
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:23,900
probably didn't take that much
skill to do but who knows how

946
00:59:23,900 --> 00:59:26,600
long the battery happening and
he can't because I'm sure he's

947
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:29,800
not walking around with
batteries in his pocket and

948
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:34,400
active cameras batteries don't
usually last, you know, more

949
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:39,100
than six months at the bat best,
if it is always on.

950
00:59:39,500 --> 00:59:41,100
It's not going to Last six
months.

951
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:44,100
Well, they probably haven't been
there six months yet.

952
00:59:44,100 --> 00:59:46,500
So what?
But I think we can probably

953
00:59:46,500 --> 00:59:48,000
there.
Yes.

954
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:53,600
Before that, secondly, who puts
a nanny cam in their bedroom.

955
00:59:56,200 --> 01:00:03,800
Well, maybe one of the maybe
whoever was living in the house

956
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:06,200
before.
Maybe one of the maybe the

957
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:09,400
spouse was suspecting another
spouse of cheating and that's

958
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:11,600
why it's in there.
You see it all the time.

959
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:14,300
Now you give his Riders too much
credit.

960
01:00:15,300 --> 01:00:17,000
No, no.
No, you're not gonna do that to

961
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:19,300
me.
You, I would I would have been,

962
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:23,100
I would have been more likely to
believe him bringing cameras and

963
01:00:23,100 --> 01:00:25,400
planting them as opposed to him
fine.

964
01:00:25,500 --> 01:00:30,900
You nanny, cam that he can
hijack and add to his Wi-Fi

965
01:00:30,900 --> 01:00:33,700
network because Vinny like,
okay.

966
01:00:33,700 --> 01:00:38,500
Well then how far?
I just have a lot of questions

967
01:00:38,500 --> 01:00:43,800
because we've got some Wi-Fi
cameras around my house to see

968
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:46,800
the in Blackwell house.
His house is far enough away to

969
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:50,400
walk.
For him to walk in just a few

970
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:55,900
minutes, but is it Wi-Fi that
strong to pick up that Nanny

971
01:00:55,900 --> 01:00:58,500
cam, right?
Because if not been in any

972
01:00:58,500 --> 01:01:01,800
cameras on the network, he was
able to hack that Network and

973
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:04,400
why isn't their work still up at
the house and wives?

974
01:01:05,100 --> 01:01:08,800
I just have a lot of questions.
We are in a post-apocalyptic

975
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:12,800
world and my scenario would have
made more sense.

976
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:14,400
Here.
Scenario would have made more

977
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:18,600
sense, the camera in the bed,
but, but the camera was on.

978
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:23,800
Dear.
Yeah, I'm just saying I have I

979
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:27,000
don't know there's a lot of
stuff to kind of like about this

980
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:32,000
episode and a lot of stuff to be
like, what the hell, what we are

981
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:37,300
thinking, like what we, we not
ask questions watching this.

982
01:01:39,700 --> 01:01:41,200
I'm sorry.
Go ahead, Casino.

983
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:43,500
You're you're you're right.
You're right.

984
01:01:44,500 --> 01:01:49,100
But any and then he Cam and the
bedroom, who does that?

985
01:01:49,100 --> 01:01:52,800
I'm telling you somebody was
cheating before before they got

986
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:55,800
you know, off by the superflu.
Somebody was cheating.

987
01:01:55,900 --> 01:01:58,100
They was trying to catch
somebody bringing somebody to

988
01:01:58,100 --> 01:02:02,000
the bedroom.
That's what it was because other

989
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:04,100
than that, you're right.
I don't see why they would have

990
01:02:04,100 --> 01:02:05,700
that in there.
Unless it was one of those

991
01:02:05,700 --> 01:02:08,500
things where they have the nanny
camera.

992
01:02:08,700 --> 01:02:11,500
They keep it in the room.
And then when they, you know,

993
01:02:11,500 --> 01:02:14,500
when they go out or when they
have the babysitter, they put

994
01:02:14,500 --> 01:02:17,000
they put the bed there before
the babysitter gets there.

995
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:18,800
But that seems like too much
work.

996
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:22,300
It's too much work.
So you're doing it either.

997
01:02:22,300 --> 01:02:25,100
Mental heavy lifting for the
show.

998
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:28,900
It seems we've been doing that
since the first episode.

999
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:31,400
Yeah.
Yes, it's a lot of work.

1000
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:34,500
This shows a lot of work.
Okay, so let's talk about

1001
01:02:34,500 --> 01:02:38,600
Nadine.
So Nadine at the beginning of

1002
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:43,200
the episode, when we first see
her, she's having a dream.

1003
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:45,900
It's like night time.
She's sleeping Joe sleeping.

1004
01:02:46,100 --> 01:02:51,300
She's having a dream and this
dream, and I won't even call it

1005
01:02:51,300 --> 01:02:55,100
a flashback, but it's actually
the only flashback we get in

1006
01:02:55,100 --> 01:02:58,900
this episode, which is great,
because we're not doing a whole

1007
01:02:58,900 --> 01:03:02,100
bunch of whiplash mess going
back and forth, back and forth,

1008
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:05,500
but she's having a dream, and
it's basically her.

1009
01:03:05,700 --> 01:03:09,400
Her and Larry kind of making out
or kissing some.

1010
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:13,800
I'm guessing they almost hooked
up at some point on the road and

1011
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:18,400
then knowing what I know about
Larry, that might be true.

1012
01:03:20,500 --> 01:03:22,600
That might be true.
And, you know, if you think

1013
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:25,700
about it, when they first got to
Boulder and they went to the

1014
01:03:25,700 --> 01:03:28,900
house, he asked her, he said, is
this what you want?

1015
01:03:28,900 --> 01:03:30,900
He said I can crash down on the
couch.

1016
01:03:30,900 --> 01:03:33,200
It wouldn't, it wouldn't have to
mean anything.

1017
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:35,500
So obviously at some point,
something there.

1018
01:03:35,700 --> 01:03:39,900
Happen and then it kind of
fizzled off, probably because of

1019
01:03:39,900 --> 01:03:44,500
her, you know what to say for
yourself for flag.

1020
01:03:44,700 --> 01:03:49,500
But while she's having this
dream flat comes to her and in

1021
01:03:49,500 --> 01:03:52,800
her dream and he says, oh the
old mother's magic is wearing

1022
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:56,000
off, because I can come to you
now, you know, and I can see

1023
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:59,600
things now, so he comes to her
in the dream and they have a

1024
01:03:59,607 --> 01:04:03,500
conversation because she, he
said something about oh, you

1025
01:04:03,500 --> 01:04:05,200
were dreaming about your little
toy.

1026
01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:09,500
You You know, talking about
Larry and she makes a comment

1027
01:04:09,500 --> 01:04:12,000
about, I don't understand.
Why, why do you care?

1028
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:14,400
You gave me the herald and he
was like, hold up.

1029
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:17,700
I ain't give you the nobody.
You know, he makes that very

1030
01:04:17,700 --> 01:04:21,900
clear but then he also confirmed
something we discussed in the

1031
01:04:21,900 --> 01:04:26,400
last episode.
He basically tells her you

1032
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:32,300
belong to me, you have, since I
found you 12 years old years

1033
01:04:32,300 --> 01:04:34,000
old.
I thought about you when I saw

1034
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:37,000
that.
Go, here we go.

1035
01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:42,500
Wasn't I, your friend wasn't I
there for you?

1036
01:04:43,300 --> 01:04:45,700
Do we not have this conversation
when we talked about this?

1037
01:04:45,700 --> 01:04:51,300
The last show that we did about
him coming to her as a child as

1038
01:04:51,300 --> 01:04:54,700
opposed to in the books.
When she's a little bit older is

1039
01:04:54,700 --> 01:04:59,800
this and then for it to be to be
confirmed, right here.

1040
01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:06,100
I was just like and and I was
thinking about it and even if We

1041
01:05:06,500 --> 01:05:10,900
instead of assuming even worse,
we can do at best.

1042
01:05:10,900 --> 01:05:16,500
He was just grooming her.
But even grooming her at 12:00

1043
01:05:16,500 --> 01:05:21,500
is kind of disgusting.
Terrible grooming, her to be

1044
01:05:21,500 --> 01:05:30,400
your bride when she comes of age
as like, Terrible this step

1045
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:33,800
again, real life example, but I
don't want to do that.

1046
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:38,700
But yeah, that is, but that is
even even being a change for her

1047
01:05:38,700 --> 01:05:42,500
being in college.
It's like why we know that he's

1048
01:05:42,900 --> 01:05:44,300
we do.
I'm not going to rehash, we

1049
01:05:44,300 --> 01:05:48,100
talked about before but we know
that he's a terrible evil

1050
01:05:48,100 --> 01:05:50,500
person.
We know that he's evil, you

1051
01:05:50,500 --> 01:05:54,000
don't have to make her 12 to
reiterate the point, right?

1052
01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:57,100
We know that he has sway in
influence over people.

1053
01:05:57,400 --> 01:06:02,200
So coming to her in college,
would have been just as

1054
01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:07,100
effective a more seamless creepy
coming to her at 12:00.

1055
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:09,800
Mhm.
It would have made more sense.

1056
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:12,100
She's saving herself for the
perfect person.

1057
01:06:12,300 --> 01:06:14,800
Right?
And he comes to her and college

1058
01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:18,500
and he's his perfect person, and
it would also go along with her

1059
01:06:19,100 --> 01:06:22,000
already.
Being sort of, I don't want

1060
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:25,700
this, use were bad, but you
could've at least because of me,

1061
01:06:25,700 --> 01:06:28,900
like, well she was going to be
on his side.

1062
01:06:28,900 --> 01:06:31,200
Anyway.
Yeah, I mean, yeah, I don't

1063
01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:32,700
know.
Cuz I'm trying to remember, I

1064
01:06:32,700 --> 01:06:34,400
think the way it was in the
books.

1065
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:38,300
I think when she was younger and
she was in position.

1066
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:41,300
Is where she might have had sex
like as a teenager, whatever.

1067
01:06:41,600 --> 01:06:45,400
I don't think it was necessarily
him that came to her.

1068
01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:48,600
But I think she said something
about she always had a feeling

1069
01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:50,500
that this was not what she was
supposed to do.

1070
01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:53,200
She was supposed to be saving
herself for something again.

1071
01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:57,900
I haven't read the book in like
years so I don't remember but I

1072
01:06:57,900 --> 01:07:01,300
don't remember it being, it
wasn't, it wasn't, it wasn't

1073
01:07:01,300 --> 01:07:02,600
him?
Because he didn't come there

1074
01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:07,900
until she was in college.
So but anyway, so this kind of

1075
01:07:07,900 --> 01:07:10,000
leads.
To a conversation, she has later

1076
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:12,400
on.
So she's looking for Joe.

1077
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:14,900
She's trying to give him some
lunch and he's not in the house.

1078
01:07:14,900 --> 01:07:18,600
So she goes to look for him and
she finds him at mother

1079
01:07:18,600 --> 01:07:22,300
Abigail's house and he's sitting
there and he's playing the piano

1080
01:07:22,900 --> 01:07:26,200
and you know, she fusses at him
for leaving without telling her

1081
01:07:26,200 --> 01:07:27,800
and she's like even some other
Abigail's.

1082
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:30,800
You can't come here and mother
Abigail is like, oh, you know,

1083
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:32,000
we were just you know, I'm
sorry.

1084
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:33,600
We were just having a
conversation.

1085
01:07:33,600 --> 01:07:36,400
She's like he talked to you and
she was like, well, there's

1086
01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:41,400
talking and there's talking So
this is one thing I do want to

1087
01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:44,600
say, as far as Jose character,
you know, I know we've mentioned

1088
01:07:44,600 --> 01:07:48,700
before the fact that he's
nonverbal right now and we've

1089
01:07:48,700 --> 01:07:54,100
made, we've made assumptions
that he is autistic.

1090
01:07:54,600 --> 01:07:58,100
I don't think he's actually
autistic just going by the

1091
01:07:58,100 --> 01:08:02,500
things that mother Abigail says,
I think he's just traumatized

1092
01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:06,400
and his nonverbal in this is a
symptom of PTSD.

1093
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:10,200
You know, she said something
about You know because Nadine

1094
01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:12,800
says, is there anything that I
shouldn't, you know, did he say

1095
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:14,900
anything?
I should know like what his real

1096
01:08:14,900 --> 01:08:18,500
name is and mother Abigail says
no, we didn't get that far.

1097
01:08:18,500 --> 01:08:22,100
She said but you know, there's
some you know, there's some

1098
01:08:22,100 --> 01:08:26,700
things a child should not see,
you know, he's been through some

1099
01:08:26,700 --> 01:08:29,500
things, a child should not have
to go through and that's what

1100
01:08:29,500 --> 01:08:32,300
he's seeing some things that no
child should say.

1101
01:08:32,700 --> 01:08:36,300
Yeah.
Yeah, so that makes me think

1102
01:08:36,300 --> 01:08:39,500
that he is.
I know that he's just

1103
01:08:39,500 --> 01:08:43,200
traumatized but obviously we
have some clues about him.

1104
01:08:43,300 --> 01:08:48,300
We know he's good at spotting
people who are not necessarily

1105
01:08:48,300 --> 01:08:53,000
good, because he has this thing
about Harold, you know, and that

1106
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:55,500
could have something to do with
whatever it was that he

1107
01:08:55,500 --> 01:08:58,600
witnessed while he was out on
his own, before Nadine found

1108
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:00,500
him.
We know that he's musically

1109
01:09:00,500 --> 01:09:04,700
inclined because he picked up a
guitar and played something back

1110
01:09:04,700 --> 01:09:08,200
to Larry perfectly when Nadine
finds him that much.

1111
01:09:08,300 --> 01:09:11,800
ER Abigail's, he's playing the
piano and he's playing like he's

1112
01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:14,399
played before.
So that gives us a little bit

1113
01:09:14,399 --> 01:09:19,899
more of a clue to his character.
But you know, Nathan and and

1114
01:09:19,899 --> 01:09:23,300
mother Abigail have a
conversation and the

1115
01:09:23,300 --> 01:09:28,100
conversation is about choice and
mother Abigail.

1116
01:09:28,700 --> 01:09:31,600
I think she kind of lets Nadine
know.

1117
01:09:32,399 --> 01:09:37,200
That she knows about flag
without letting her know that,

1118
01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:40,899
you know, she basically says,
you know, we all have a choice

1119
01:09:40,899 --> 01:09:44,899
until we don't, you know, she
was like, everybody has a choice

1120
01:09:44,899 --> 01:09:47,899
to do what they want to do, to
be who they want to be.

1121
01:09:48,200 --> 01:09:51,300
Yeah, because mother Abigail
with know, if whether or not she

1122
01:09:51,300 --> 01:09:56,700
had been in their dreams.
Exactly, right, so, and that

1123
01:09:56,700 --> 01:09:59,700
that's mother.
I think instead of her calling

1124
01:09:59,700 --> 01:10:04,100
her out on that mother abbess.
Gail is taking that to mean that

1125
01:10:04,100 --> 01:10:08,100
she chose to be there and they
got on that conversation because

1126
01:10:08,500 --> 01:10:12,600
mother Abigail comments about
how she cares about Joe and how

1127
01:10:12,600 --> 01:10:14,300
she takes care of them.
And she's like, well, I really

1128
01:10:14,300 --> 01:10:15,600
didn't have a choice.
Did I?

1129
01:10:15,700 --> 01:10:18,000
And she was like, everybody
always has a choice.

1130
01:10:18,300 --> 01:10:21,300
She said, you made a choice to
take care of him.

1131
01:10:21,300 --> 01:10:25,600
You made a choice to stick with
him and you guys take care of

1132
01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:27,800
each other and it's a beautiful
thing and you know, she's

1133
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:31,500
basically I think at this point
trying to give Nadine some hope

1134
01:10:31,500 --> 01:10:35,600
that Look, your life doesn't
have to go down this path that

1135
01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:38,500
you are on.
You can make a choice to change

1136
01:10:38,500 --> 01:10:42,700
and because of that Nadine finds
herself right after Larry gets

1137
01:10:42,700 --> 01:10:47,400
the call from friend to go to
Harold's house as he's walking

1138
01:10:47,400 --> 01:10:50,500
out the door and they deem is,
you know, coming to his doorstep

1139
01:10:50,700 --> 01:10:55,200
and she's basically throwing
herself at him like she wants

1140
01:10:55,200 --> 01:11:00,700
him to have sex with her and
he's a little confused because

1141
01:11:00,700 --> 01:11:02,500
he was like, you didn't want
Want this before.

1142
01:11:02,500 --> 01:11:04,400
Like what's what happened?
What's going on?

1143
01:11:04,400 --> 01:11:08,700
And she's like, you know, she
very plainly explicitly I need

1144
01:11:08,700 --> 01:11:11,600
you to fuck me.
He was like, this is not how you

1145
01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:14,800
usually talk.
This is not you what's going on

1146
01:11:15,100 --> 01:11:18,900
and you know, he makes it a
point to say I don't want to do

1147
01:11:18,900 --> 01:11:20,800
this and you have regrets in the
morning.

1148
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:22,700
I don't want, you know, I don't
want this to be.

1149
01:11:22,700 --> 01:11:24,100
I don't want to take advantage
of you.

1150
01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:27,500
What's going on.
Tell me he Jen, you can tell he

1151
01:11:27,500 --> 01:11:31,500
genuinely cares for her.
But she's doing this out of

1152
01:11:31,500 --> 01:11:35,000
desperation like she feels like
if she has sex with Larry that's

1153
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:38,600
going to break whatever whole
random flag has on her and this

1154
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:44,600
is the first time that we see
that she seems scared, you know,

1155
01:11:44,600 --> 01:11:49,000
or is trying to change her fate.
And she basically says to him,

1156
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:51,000
she was like, this is the only
way.

1157
01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:52,700
This is the only way he'll let
me go.

1158
01:11:53,200 --> 01:11:56,400
And Larry again is confused.
He's like who?

1159
01:11:56,600 --> 01:11:59,300
And then of course at the end of
the episode, when he's in

1160
01:11:59,300 --> 01:12:02,700
Harold's house.
These mating shirt, he's going

1161
01:12:02,700 --> 01:12:04,800
to automate.
He's going to think is Harold.

1162
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:08,600
Mmm, you know, that's about it.
That's about to become an issue

1163
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:12,500
because he's going to think that
he is forcing Nadine to stay

1164
01:12:12,500 --> 01:12:15,100
with him or something, or do
something.

1165
01:12:15,900 --> 01:12:17,800
So.
And that's probably what's going

1166
01:12:17,800 --> 01:12:21,600
to be kind of the match that
that starts.

1167
01:12:22,700 --> 01:12:26,400
You know, Harold's plan in
Boulder.

1168
01:12:26,700 --> 01:12:30,000
Okay, so, I just wanted to say a
couple of things about Larry

1169
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:35,200
real quick.
So Larry II want to give Larry a

1170
01:12:35,200 --> 01:12:37,700
little bit of crazy.
I know he was really trying not

1171
01:12:37,700 --> 01:12:40,500
to do anything because he had
something else he needed to do.

1172
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:44,400
Because this was, when he was on
his way out to go break into her

1173
01:12:44,600 --> 01:12:49,700
parents house, because I would
like to think that if he didn't

1174
01:12:49,700 --> 01:12:54,600
have that task before him.
He would have told her, you know

1175
01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:56,600
what, I'm not going to do that
with you right now.

1176
01:12:56,700 --> 01:13:00,200
But if you come in, you can sit
down and we can talk about it

1177
01:13:00,700 --> 01:13:04,600
because I think that's what she
really needed at that moment.

1178
01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:09,200
I mean, I know where she thought
she wanted, but I think knowing

1179
01:13:09,200 --> 01:13:11,900
Larry and knowing how he
normally would be, he normally

1180
01:13:11,900 --> 01:13:13,400
probably say, you know, what
coming here.

1181
01:13:13,400 --> 01:13:16,900
Let's talk about this and maybe
one thing was late to another,

1182
01:13:17,100 --> 01:13:19,400
who knows?
But at least I like to think

1183
01:13:19,400 --> 01:13:23,100
that he would have.
He would have at least Tried to

1184
01:13:23,100 --> 01:13:26,100
talk to her and figure out
what's going on with it, because

1185
01:13:26,100 --> 01:13:28,700
obviously something is terribly
wrong.

1186
01:13:28,700 --> 01:13:31,500
And then she also said to him,
you are the only person in the

1187
01:13:31,500 --> 01:13:32,400
world.
I trust you.

1188
01:13:32,400 --> 01:13:35,700
I trust.
So yeah, so then he started out

1189
01:13:35,700 --> 01:13:37,600
the conversation with what is
this?

1190
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:39,700
Not something that wait till
tomorrow because I got something

1191
01:13:39,700 --> 01:13:43,400
else, I need to do, you know
that that is not going to.

1192
01:13:43,500 --> 01:13:46,000
It's not going to help the
situation at all.

1193
01:13:46,100 --> 01:13:49,100
Right, but he tried to recover
the say, you know, this is not

1194
01:13:49,100 --> 01:13:52,100
true.
You know, this this is what is

1195
01:13:52,100 --> 01:13:53,900
going.
All that you did ask her that,

1196
01:13:53,900 --> 01:13:56,200
but I really think he would have
a sort of come in and sit down

1197
01:13:56,200 --> 01:14:01,200
and talk talk about it because
she, she seemed like that there

1198
01:14:01,200 --> 01:14:04,400
was something really going on.
He seems to really care about

1199
01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:05,400
her.
Yeah, he does.

1200
01:14:05,400 --> 01:14:09,800
And, to be honest with you.
He almost seems sort of out of

1201
01:14:09,800 --> 01:14:15,800
character for him because it is
almost as if, I think he would

1202
01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:18,900
have rather have talked to her,
then go break into Harold's

1203
01:14:18,900 --> 01:14:19,500
house.
Yeah.

1204
01:14:19,500 --> 01:14:22,300
Definitely.
I think, I really do think that.

1205
01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:26,800
It's sort of that sort of those
that and him breaking into the

1206
01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:30,700
house of the two things that
kind of put me off this episode.

1207
01:14:30,700 --> 01:14:35,400
It's like Him not actually
really talking to her.

1208
01:14:35,400 --> 01:14:38,900
This person that you spent time
with on the road that just said,

1209
01:14:38,900 --> 01:14:41,600
she trusts him.
That is basically saying she

1210
01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:45,200
needs to get away from somebody
and he doesn't take the time out

1211
01:14:45,200 --> 01:14:48,800
to find out who it is.
So he go breaking someone's

1212
01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:54,500
house then just that kind of
bothered me and you know, there

1213
01:14:54,500 --> 01:14:56,800
are a lot of things to like
about this episode with there

1214
01:14:56,800 --> 01:15:05,900
are more things to dislike and
and I hate to see, you know, the

1215
01:15:05,900 --> 01:15:10,200
person who lives with me, not
really related to me by marriage

1216
01:15:14,400 --> 01:15:18,700
while we watch the show because
he listens to us in the

1217
01:15:18,700 --> 01:15:20,600
background.
It's like, you don't like the

1218
01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:22,700
show.
So why are we wasting our time?

1219
01:15:22,900 --> 01:15:36,000
That's not the point?
Had enough of DragonCon animals.

1220
01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:40,600
All this has been, somebody, she
knows knows.

1221
01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:44,300
That's her.
We still we're going to watch it

1222
01:15:44,300 --> 01:15:47,000
because on some level, it is
entertainment.

1223
01:15:47,200 --> 01:15:50,900
There is some value there as
entertainment.

1224
01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:54,600
It can be bad and entertainment,
but it's entertainment.

1225
01:15:54,700 --> 01:15:57,900
Nonetheless.
I'm a fan of the stand.

1226
01:15:58,200 --> 01:16:01,500
I can sit there and say there's
some things I don't like about

1227
01:16:01,500 --> 01:16:03,800
it.
If you really pay attention like

1228
01:16:03,800 --> 01:16:07,200
our listeners are doing,
hopefully they can hear as point

1229
01:16:07,200 --> 01:16:11,700
out things that we like, we do
that, but we also point out that

1230
01:16:11,700 --> 01:16:16,500
he's better bad and there's a
lot of bad about this and there

1231
01:16:16,500 --> 01:16:21,800
is good, but the good is enough
to keep me watching it, you

1232
01:16:21,800 --> 01:16:24,500
know, a lot of these people we
talked about this early either

1233
01:16:24,500 --> 01:16:29,100
the characters, they get enough
to keep us watching it, but the

1234
01:16:29,100 --> 01:16:32,100
Larry thing, I'm like hot and
cold with his life.

1235
01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:35,200
One hand.
He's like the best can see I've

1236
01:16:35,200 --> 01:16:38,800
got in the show and then the
other hand, y'all do some stupid

1237
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:39,700
myths.
Like this.

1238
01:16:39,900 --> 01:16:44,800
That's completely turns me off.
Yeah, you know, and I like I'm

1239
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:47,300
going to repeat this because I
want everyone to hear this.

1240
01:16:47,900 --> 01:16:51,800
I really think that the
character that we have known up

1241
01:16:51,800 --> 01:16:56,500
until this episode would have,
had her come in and talk to her,

1242
01:16:56,500 --> 01:16:59,700
find out what's going on with
her because that, that is the

1243
01:16:59,708 --> 01:17:02,700
kind of person he was because he
wouldn't have let It really kill

1244
01:17:02,700 --> 01:17:07,000
herself if he was awake.
No, he was wrong.

1245
01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:09,300
He was wrong for leaving her but
that was about

1246
01:17:09,300 --> 01:17:13,200
self-preservation.
But if he saw her as desperate

1247
01:17:13,200 --> 01:17:16,800
as she was, maybe he didn't
really notice it.

1248
01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:19,100
But if he had known that, it's
what she was going to do.

1249
01:17:19,400 --> 01:17:20,800
He would have talked to him like
no.

1250
01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:24,800
No, we're in this together.
We're going to figure this out

1251
01:17:25,500 --> 01:17:30,600
because you wouldn't.
Yeah, he's a same person who

1252
01:17:30,600 --> 01:17:35,700
took his mother out of the
Hospital put her in his bed and

1253
01:17:35,700 --> 01:17:40,700
sat there with her, as she died,
right, you know, the same person

1254
01:17:40,900 --> 01:17:44,300
that went outside to the guy
that wanted to kill him and

1255
01:17:44,300 --> 01:17:46,600
tried to help him find Comfort,
right?

1256
01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:48,200
Yeah.
That's who that is.

1257
01:17:48,200 --> 01:17:52,100
Who Larry is Larry is not the
guy who's going to blow off the

1258
01:17:52,100 --> 01:17:54,300
friend of his who's in
desperation mode.

1259
01:17:54,400 --> 01:17:56,400
So you can go break into
somebody's house.

1260
01:17:59,100 --> 01:18:03,000
And we're especially not after
going through what he went

1261
01:18:03,000 --> 01:18:05,900
through with Rita.
Yeah waking up to find out.

1262
01:18:05,900 --> 01:18:10,000
She killed herself.
I mean you can see Nadine was

1263
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:14,900
desperate at this point, you
know, the fact that she was

1264
01:18:14,900 --> 01:18:17,600
trying to get you to do.
The one thing that she was like

1265
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:20,900
that she had told you before she
couldn't do.

1266
01:18:22,100 --> 01:18:28,200
Nobody makes that kind of
turnaround a list are scared or,

1267
01:18:28,200 --> 01:18:33,100
unless they're being pressured,
and she look like, like, when

1268
01:18:33,100 --> 01:18:35,800
she walked in his house.
She looked like something the

1269
01:18:35,800 --> 01:18:41,300
cat had drugged, and she was,
she was her hair was stringy.

1270
01:18:41,500 --> 01:18:45,000
She was shaking.
She was, she just looked

1271
01:18:45,000 --> 01:18:48,200
horrible.
She looked like somebody with

1272
01:18:48,200 --> 01:18:52,200
the weight of the world on her
shoulders and It was basically

1273
01:18:52,200 --> 01:18:54,300
that she was, like, I have a
choice.

1274
01:18:54,500 --> 01:18:57,700
I can change my fate if I do
this one thing.

1275
01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:00,800
I can be free.
Hmm.

1276
01:19:01,100 --> 01:19:04,500
But it's like now and I mean,
did you okay?

1277
01:19:04,600 --> 01:19:10,000
And I will say this again, don't
then don't particularly care for

1278
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:15,800
her but ever heard, right?
But in this and don't usually

1279
01:19:15,800 --> 01:19:19,600
care for her acting.
But in this episode, especially

1280
01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:24,400
that scene, I felt for her like
when she turned around and

1281
01:19:24,400 --> 01:19:27,300
walked out of Larry's house and
she was like, I'll be fine.

1282
01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:32,100
I mean just Monotone voice.
She was walking like a zombie.

1283
01:19:32,100 --> 01:19:37,100
Like she had no.
It was, it was heartbreaking to

1284
01:19:37,100 --> 01:19:41,500
watch her, walk out that door
knowing what that, what fate,

1285
01:19:41,500 --> 01:19:46,700
that was going to resign her to.
Yeah, that was a really, really

1286
01:19:46,700 --> 01:19:50,700
good piece of acting that she
did and I've seen it really was.

1287
01:19:50,900 --> 01:19:55,400
It was the first time that she's
sort of summon that Loris

1288
01:19:55,400 --> 01:19:57,600
Andrea.
San Giacomo.

1289
01:19:59,000 --> 01:20:01,200
It was such a great Nadine in
the original.

1290
01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:06,700
It was like, this was the first
time I actually saw Solve the

1291
01:20:06,700 --> 01:20:10,700
character of me being, like, in
all her glory, you know, that

1292
01:20:10,700 --> 01:20:17,300
pain that she has and that, that
desperation that she has fy'y

1293
01:20:17,300 --> 01:20:20,200
psychic.
Finally saw what I was looking

1294
01:20:20,200 --> 01:20:24,300
for, in a character and see how
I give her props for that.

1295
01:20:24,300 --> 01:20:25,600
That was really good.
Yeah.

1296
01:20:26,700 --> 01:20:29,900
She was good in that.
I know you like.

1297
01:20:30,200 --> 01:20:35,600
But it's Amber Heard though.
So let's get the one care.

1298
01:20:35,800 --> 01:20:38,900
So we haven't really talked much
about this episode.

1299
01:20:38,900 --> 01:20:41,700
Next mother Abigail.
So we did mention her a little

1300
01:20:41,700 --> 01:20:45,100
bit earlier because she has
found out that they sent spies

1301
01:20:45,100 --> 01:20:50,400
and she is like whoo.
She was like, did you feel it?

1302
01:20:50,700 --> 01:20:54,700
Haha.
Did you feel when she was

1303
01:20:54,700 --> 01:20:58,200
fussing at Nick like that poor
baby.

1304
01:20:58,200 --> 01:21:01,700
He was just sitting there like,
with his head hung, like he

1305
01:21:01,800 --> 01:21:06,600
didn't do nothing.
You can say, And there's

1306
01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:08,100
nothing.
I mean, literally, there's

1307
01:21:08,100 --> 01:21:09,900
nothing.
He can say, there's nothing he

1308
01:21:09,900 --> 01:21:12,600
can do.
When, when the old folks talking

1309
01:21:12,600 --> 01:21:16,400
about having your ears boxed.
He was asking boxes.

1310
01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:27,100
Like, that's what that means is
by seeing his, you know,

1311
01:21:27,100 --> 01:21:29,600
whatever, I've done to offend
you.

1312
01:21:29,900 --> 01:21:33,000
Please give me, you know, please
give me the means to atone for

1313
01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:34,400
a.
Tell me what you would have me.

1314
01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:37,100
Do you know?
Because she's taking this is her

1315
01:21:37,100 --> 01:21:40,100
responsibility as her
responsibilities.

1316
01:21:40,100 --> 01:21:44,300
Like, they're supposed to be
following her and doing what he

1317
01:21:44,300 --> 01:21:47,500
is commanding, and they've done
something behind her back.

1318
01:21:47,500 --> 01:21:49,400
They've done something against
her wishes.

1319
01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:53,900
So now she feels like she has to
be the one to repent for it and

1320
01:21:53,900 --> 01:21:57,200
as she's doing this praying, the
wolf comes to her.

1321
01:21:57,600 --> 01:22:00,800
Now, I would say that that wolf
kind of scared me a little bit.

1322
01:22:01,200 --> 01:22:03,400
He was just sitting there.
He's just growling and she's

1323
01:22:03,400 --> 01:22:08,500
just like and and then the next
thing we know, ray goes to her

1324
01:22:08,500 --> 01:22:12,000
house and there's a note on the
door and she's basically telling

1325
01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:16,800
them that she's left.
Don't come looking for her and

1326
01:22:16,800 --> 01:22:21,600
it's just kind of like wait a
mother, a go Andrei.

1327
01:22:21,900 --> 01:22:24,200
Poor thing.
She's just like screaming in the

1328
01:22:24,200 --> 01:22:27,700
streets for her and you know,
she's calling on the radio.

1329
01:22:27,700 --> 01:22:29,900
Hey, do you have eyes on mother
Abigail?

1330
01:22:30,300 --> 01:22:32,500
Hey, cendre up to her house to
look for.

1331
01:22:32,500 --> 01:22:34,500
She was like damn it.
I am ready.

1332
01:22:36,300 --> 01:22:41,400
You know and of course Stewart
and Franny here this while

1333
01:22:41,400 --> 01:22:44,100
they're making out in the
bedroom and hair with his

1334
01:22:44,100 --> 01:22:46,300
creepily watching on the nanny
cam.

1335
01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:50,700
And you know, he hears that
mother Abigail is missing and

1336
01:22:50,700 --> 01:22:53,800
then he has this really creepy
smile on his face and then it

1337
01:22:53,800 --> 01:22:59,400
cuts to black but that smile at
the end. he looked hella creepy

1338
01:22:59,500 --> 01:23:07,100
like, This do here.
He does, I did not really care

1339
01:23:07,100 --> 01:23:10,400
for him too much at the
beginning because I felt like

1340
01:23:10,400 --> 01:23:13,700
Carol was supposed to be a more
nuanced character.

1341
01:23:13,700 --> 01:23:18,700
He was supposed to be kind of
awkward from the beginning and

1342
01:23:18,700 --> 01:23:23,600
then kind of gradually going
into that psychopath phase.

1343
01:23:23,600 --> 01:23:27,900
And this guy has been giving me
psycho vibes from the beginning

1344
01:23:27,900 --> 01:23:30,700
from the beginning.
But now at this point in the

1345
01:23:30,700 --> 01:23:34,800
story, it works like this is
where Harold is To be right now,

1346
01:23:34,800 --> 01:23:37,700
especially you just found out
that, you know, the girl that

1347
01:23:37,700 --> 01:23:42,000
you love, she basically set you
up so that somebody can spying

1348
01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:45,200
your house and it's just getting
to the point now where he's

1349
01:23:45,200 --> 01:23:47,600
like, okay, you know what?
I'm about to kill this bitch and

1350
01:23:47,600 --> 01:23:50,400
this is what these are the Vibes
that I'm getting from him now

1351
01:23:50,400 --> 01:23:55,800
and it's appropriate now, so I'm
feeling Harold louder as a

1352
01:23:55,800 --> 01:23:58,400
character.
Now this is where we're supposed

1353
01:23:58,400 --> 01:23:59,800
to be with him.
Yeah.

1354
01:24:00,600 --> 01:24:03,700
So, you know, like you said
there was some good things about

1355
01:24:03,700 --> 01:24:06,200
the f.
Pisode there was not good

1356
01:24:06,200 --> 01:24:10,100
things.
Again the and the best wax at

1357
01:24:10,100 --> 01:24:14,200
the decimation of Dana and
Friends characters in this

1358
01:24:14,200 --> 01:24:17,600
episode.
It's just that that's just

1359
01:24:19,400 --> 01:24:21,700
that's just going to be that's
going to be the one of the big

1360
01:24:21,700 --> 01:24:24,400
things that bothers me about
this series because those two

1361
01:24:24,400 --> 01:24:28,400
characters in these two settings
should have been so much more

1362
01:24:28,400 --> 01:24:31,000
than they were.
Dana is specially friend.

1363
01:24:31,000 --> 01:24:36,500
I can I can get especially if
Fran is Not I can put her

1364
01:24:36,500 --> 01:24:41,700
behavior down as to the whole
she's not used to being fake

1365
01:24:41,900 --> 01:24:45,200
type thing or she's not used to
being you know, she's not used

1366
01:24:45,200 --> 01:24:48,800
to subterfuge or you know trying
to do that kind of thing.

1367
01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:52,400
So I can I can kind of sort of
say I still like the way it came

1368
01:24:52,400 --> 01:24:54,500
off but I can kind of sort of
see it.

1369
01:24:54,500 --> 01:24:58,800
Dana just character.
Assassination is just yeah, just

1370
01:24:59,700 --> 01:25:02,700
well.
Yeah, but I mean well we don't

1371
01:25:02,700 --> 01:25:03,900
have to worry about your
character.

1372
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:07,300
Anymore.
So, sees sees gone, you know, we

1373
01:25:07,308 --> 01:25:10,800
don't have to worry about that.
At least she died in a nice

1374
01:25:10,800 --> 01:25:12,500
outfit.
She did.

1375
01:25:12,500 --> 01:25:15,500
She was looking fly.
I can fly.

1376
01:25:17,100 --> 01:25:20,500
But I do want to talk about one
of the great things about this.

1377
01:25:20,500 --> 01:25:24,000
Episode is there was no time
jumps none.

1378
01:25:24,300 --> 01:25:27,000
There were no times up none.
Absolutely none.

1379
01:25:27,100 --> 01:25:30,500
No time job.
So that that that lip lash.

1380
01:25:30,800 --> 01:25:33,900
Yeah, no times.
It's no hour ago.

1381
01:25:34,100 --> 01:25:39,300
Time jobs, right?
Um, but but I will say, you

1382
01:25:39,300 --> 01:25:43,400
know, again speaking with the
person who gives me I'm related

1383
01:25:43,400 --> 01:25:48,700
to by marriage.
She told me, you know, we had a

1384
01:25:48,700 --> 01:25:52,500
discussion about the time jumps
and and she's like because we're

1385
01:25:52,500 --> 01:25:55,800
watching American Gods plug for
upcoming show.

1386
01:25:55,800 --> 01:25:57,200
We're going to be talking about
American Gods.

1387
01:25:57,800 --> 01:26:03,800
So American Gods, they also do
flashbacks and I was trying to

1388
01:26:03,800 --> 01:26:07,900
say that the flashbacks,
American Gods arm, Like

1389
01:26:08,300 --> 01:26:10,900
character filler.
They give you insight into the

1390
01:26:10,900 --> 01:26:14,500
characters.
And she's like, nobody does the

1391
01:26:14,508 --> 01:26:17,400
same thing, is tells you how the
characters ended up where they

1392
01:26:17,400 --> 01:26:20,200
are now.
I'm like, well, sort of but not

1393
01:26:20,200 --> 01:26:22,600
really like we don't really
know.

1394
01:26:23,300 --> 01:26:26,400
They're not telling us where the
characters, how the characters

1395
01:26:26,400 --> 01:26:30,000
that telling a separate story of
how, the carriage is all ended

1396
01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:35,100
up in one place, giving us
information about the characters

1397
01:26:35,100 --> 01:26:37,000
like they given us a history
lesson.

1398
01:26:37,000 --> 01:26:41,700
Yeah, like how they came to be
not how the ended up hooking up

1399
01:26:41,800 --> 01:26:45,700
with.
Z and even when they do give us

1400
01:26:45,700 --> 01:26:50,300
flashbacks, like if you think
about last season season 2, we

1401
01:26:50,300 --> 01:26:54,700
did get some flashbacks from
like when Shadow moon was

1402
01:26:54,800 --> 01:26:59,900
younger and with his mother, but
the way that they do, their

1403
01:26:59,900 --> 01:27:04,800
flashbacks makes sense within
the confines of this kind of

1404
01:27:04,800 --> 01:27:07,600
sponsor, the story follows,
right?

1405
01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:11,700
It's a flow to it.
It's not like it's not something

1406
01:27:11,700 --> 01:27:14,000
that's so jarring.
I mean that you have to sit

1407
01:27:14,000 --> 01:27:17,600
there and look like what the
hell just happened, you know?

1408
01:27:17,600 --> 01:27:24,100
Yeah, and I was also saying that
they weren't telling a separate

1409
01:27:24,100 --> 01:27:27,900
story.
Like the reason why the

1410
01:27:27,900 --> 01:27:32,500
flashbacks in to me understand
this withdrawing is that they

1411
01:27:32,500 --> 01:27:38,200
are following a different plot
than the plot of what we're

1412
01:27:38,200 --> 01:27:40,000
supposed to be watching
currently.

1413
01:27:40,200 --> 01:27:44,600
Like it's two separate Stories
being Told about to serpent

1414
01:27:44,600 --> 01:27:50,100
times and and because your
prison story is structured the

1415
01:27:50,100 --> 01:27:55,000
same way as a flashback stories.
Like we're seeing different

1416
01:27:55,000 --> 01:27:57,700
characters, different points in
time.

1417
01:27:58,000 --> 01:28:00,000
All this journey to get to
Boulder.

1418
01:28:00,300 --> 01:28:04,400
We're seeing the same characters
in the prison point in time in

1419
01:28:04,400 --> 01:28:09,300
Boulder if the same story.
But in two different times and

1420
01:28:09,300 --> 01:28:12,000
sometimes in three cuz you'll
sometimes the three kids you

1421
01:28:12,000 --> 01:28:22,000
get. - exactly more like lost if
everyone can can bear with me

1422
01:28:22,000 --> 01:28:25,000
for a second.
If you go back to Los lost, sort

1423
01:28:25,000 --> 01:28:28,400
of did the same thing with their
flashbacks.

1424
01:28:28,400 --> 01:28:30,100
It was sort of a blend of the
two.

1425
01:28:30,100 --> 01:28:32,800
They were giving information
about the characters, but they

1426
01:28:32,800 --> 01:28:35,200
were also showing you have the
characters ended up.

1427
01:28:35,200 --> 01:28:36,700
There were times.
They were showing you how the

1428
01:28:36,700 --> 01:28:37,800
characters ended up on the
island.

1429
01:28:37,800 --> 01:28:42,000
And they were showing you how
characters met each other before

1430
01:28:42,008 --> 01:28:46,700
they got to the That was more,
like, what we get in the stand,

1431
01:28:46,700 --> 01:28:52,100
but they did it so much more
effectively and lost because

1432
01:28:52,100 --> 01:28:55,300
they were also giving you
details and information about

1433
01:28:55,300 --> 01:28:58,300
the characters.
And a lot of times the stuff

1434
01:28:58,300 --> 01:29:02,100
that was in the past was
relevant, was important to the

1435
01:29:02,100 --> 01:29:03,200
story.
They were telling in the

1436
01:29:03,200 --> 01:29:08,200
episode.
I wasn't getting that really in

1437
01:29:08,200 --> 01:29:12,000
the stand.
It seems like they filmed the

1438
01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:15,800
season.
In episode 1 through 8, and then

1439
01:29:15,800 --> 01:29:19,100
they chopped it up and it is
what it felt.

1440
01:29:19,100 --> 01:29:20,500
Like.
That's what it feels like.

1441
01:29:20,500 --> 01:29:25,000
Because now we're at the
midpoint of so 5 where we don't

1442
01:29:25,000 --> 01:29:30,200
get any, because of this point.
Everyone is there, you know, we

1443
01:29:30,200 --> 01:29:35,600
had assumed that they were show
us how Vegas came to because I

1444
01:29:35,600 --> 01:29:38,700
thought maybe they were just
start with Vegas, which they

1445
01:29:38,700 --> 01:29:41,600
did.
And that the next two or three

1446
01:29:41,600 --> 01:29:45,700
episodes will be about Vegas
with flashbacks on how all these

1447
01:29:45,700 --> 01:29:50,100
people ended up there.
I mean they feel they go there

1448
01:29:50,400 --> 01:29:52,800
but it doesn't seem like that's
going to be the case.

1449
01:29:52,900 --> 01:29:57,500
It doesn't.
Yeah, honestly with the white

1450
01:29:57,500 --> 01:30:00,200
they introduced New Vegas in
this episode.

1451
01:30:00,200 --> 01:30:04,900
I don't think we need it because
we pretty much can tell that

1452
01:30:04,900 --> 01:30:07,000
most of these people who are
there.

1453
01:30:07,500 --> 01:30:10,700
They are there.
Because I mean he even said it

1454
01:30:10,700 --> 01:30:13,700
in his speech.
He said, you know, The the

1455
01:30:13,700 --> 01:30:17,700
people of the old world, they
tried to tell you that sex was

1456
01:30:17,700 --> 01:30:22,900
bad, that that violence was bad.
And he was like, and it's not

1457
01:30:22,900 --> 01:30:25,200
and those are the people that
are there with him.

1458
01:30:25,200 --> 01:30:29,600
The people who Revel in this?
I mean, when Dana was brought

1459
01:30:29,600 --> 01:30:34,500
out to the floor to, you know,
with Lloyd and Julie to see

1460
01:30:34,500 --> 01:30:37,000
everything.
I mean, there's a full-fledged

1461
01:30:37,000 --> 01:30:42,400
orgy going on, everywhere in the
hotel every time you see them

1462
01:30:42,400 --> 01:30:45,000
going.
Going down the elevator.

1463
01:30:45,000 --> 01:30:47,400
And in the next elevator, next
to them.

1464
01:30:47,400 --> 01:30:51,600
There's a couple having sex in a
glass elevator going up and it's

1465
01:30:51,600 --> 01:30:53,700
just kind of like it's all over
the place.

1466
01:30:53,700 --> 01:30:57,900
Like literally people when you
say, people are just having sex

1467
01:30:57,900 --> 01:31:01,000
in the streets.
No, they're literally having sex

1468
01:31:01,000 --> 01:31:04,300
in this to me beer, like,
everywhere.

1469
01:31:04,500 --> 01:31:11,000
It was like it reminded me of
even like Eyes Wide Shut or like

1470
01:31:11,000 --> 01:31:14,400
the orgy scene in.
The Witcher it was just like

1471
01:31:14,500 --> 01:31:17,200
everywhere everywhere
everywhere.

1472
01:31:17,200 --> 01:31:19,400
And just random people like
walking.

1473
01:31:19,700 --> 01:31:21,500
I'm bored with you.
Let me go to this person.

1474
01:31:21,500 --> 01:31:25,000
Next here and it was just random
walking through.

1475
01:31:25,000 --> 01:31:27,500
Walk you through one a little
fingers brothels.

1476
01:31:28,100 --> 01:31:33,000
Exactly, exactly.
And then on top of the orgies

1477
01:31:33,000 --> 01:31:36,700
and everything taking place like
right there in the middle, at

1478
01:31:36,700 --> 01:31:39,100
the bottom.
You've got a fighting pit.

1479
01:31:39,600 --> 01:31:42,600
And instead of just fighting to
the deaths there, literally.

1480
01:31:43,200 --> 01:31:48,100
Hacking each other to death.
So, you've got legs over here in

1481
01:31:48,100 --> 01:31:50,700
arms over here and torsos over
here.

1482
01:31:50,700 --> 01:31:54,700
And it's just like and then
you've got people even having

1483
01:31:54,700 --> 01:31:58,500
sex in the midst of that.
I think, you know, in the same

1484
01:31:58,500 --> 01:32:01,500
on the same floor.
So it's just like, we already

1485
01:32:01,500 --> 01:32:04,700
know what kind of people he's
attracting and obviously, if

1486
01:32:04,700 --> 01:32:07,800
they're not in Boulder then
that's where they are.

1487
01:32:07,800 --> 01:32:11,600
I don't really think we need a
back story at this point if we

1488
01:32:11,600 --> 01:32:13,700
already have Lloyd's.
A backstory.

1489
01:32:13,900 --> 01:32:16,900
He seems to be the most
important person being and we

1490
01:32:16,900 --> 01:32:19,800
sort of got an idea about Julie
right now.

1491
01:32:19,800 --> 01:32:24,600
We may get some of her backstory
but at this about it, I don't

1492
01:32:24,600 --> 01:32:28,000
think that's important.
Like I want to see what they're

1493
01:32:28,000 --> 01:32:30,900
doing now because now you've got
Dana dead.

1494
01:32:32,300 --> 01:32:37,800
You've got Tom there who may be
figuring out that it might be

1495
01:32:37,800 --> 01:32:41,700
time for him to leave.
Who knows the judge is not there

1496
01:32:41,700 --> 01:32:44,000
yet, but they know she's on her
way.

1497
01:32:44,000 --> 01:32:50,000
So if we're going by the cannon
and the old store, she's not

1498
01:32:50,000 --> 01:32:52,400
going to make it.
She's not even going to make it

1499
01:32:52,400 --> 01:32:55,400
to Vegas.
So you've got mother, Abigail

1500
01:32:55,400 --> 01:32:58,500
who has disappeared.
So now, of course, she told them

1501
01:32:58,500 --> 01:33:00,700
not to find her.
So what are they going to do?

1502
01:33:00,700 --> 01:33:02,700
They're going to go.
Go look for her before.

1503
01:33:02,700 --> 01:33:09,000
Yeah, I go look for her and then
we still have the, you know, the

1504
01:33:09,000 --> 01:33:11,700
main characters they have to
journey to Boulder.

1505
01:33:11,900 --> 01:33:14,900
We have to have, I mean, we have
to have these different little

1506
01:33:14,900 --> 01:33:20,400
things happen and we've only got
what four episodes, or %.

1507
01:33:20,700 --> 01:33:22,800
Yeah.
So there's this, there's a lot

1508
01:33:22,800 --> 01:33:25,600
of ground to cover for the next
round.

1509
01:33:26,700 --> 01:33:31,300
So, I'm afraid, I'm afraid not
only of waste going to get cut,

1510
01:33:31,300 --> 01:33:34,500
what's going to get changed?
And the way in, which is going

1511
01:33:34,500 --> 01:33:40,400
to be changed is, is is my fear
and, and just a little insight.

1512
01:33:40,400 --> 01:33:43,400
I know we don't talk about other
reviewers, but I know there were

1513
01:33:43,407 --> 01:33:46,200
a lot of people, a lot of
reviewers got this guy, these

1514
01:33:46,200 --> 01:33:51,100
episodes early.
Most of them that I've seen have

1515
01:33:51,100 --> 01:33:55,800
said that this is where every
this episode episode 5.

1516
01:33:56,000 --> 01:33:58,300
I've is where everything kind of
went off the rails.

1517
01:34:01,900 --> 01:34:08,700
So we will see will see coming
up but that that has been the

1518
01:34:08,700 --> 01:34:11,600
best but that's been the
consensus for the most part.

1519
01:34:11,600 --> 01:34:15,300
Get out now, so we gotta finish
that but for the most part the

1520
01:34:15,300 --> 01:34:18,700
consistencies this is where
everything went off the rails.

1521
01:34:18,700 --> 01:34:21,800
And I tried not to watch your
views because I want mine to be

1522
01:34:22,200 --> 01:34:27,400
pretty untainted, but like you
said between Dana and Franny,

1523
01:34:27,900 --> 01:34:33,700
and And really just Dana there.
That whole thing.

1524
01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:38,600
Just her whole Arc just seems
completely and utterly

1525
01:34:38,600 --> 01:34:42,300
ridiculous.
I just like, yes, her story up.

1526
01:34:42,300 --> 01:34:47,000
Yeah, and then Larry and the
dean their whole thing.

1527
01:34:47,000 --> 01:34:54,400
Is this so strange and weird.
It's his at I really really

1528
01:34:54,900 --> 01:35:00,600
hopefully I want to say things
get better but I'm not I'm not,

1529
01:35:00,900 --> 01:35:03,900
I'm not counting on it.
I wonder what the numbers are

1530
01:35:03,900 --> 01:35:06,500
for them.
I wonder how many people started

1531
01:35:06,500 --> 01:35:09,500
watching your hands have just
abandon it and I wonder, I

1532
01:35:09,500 --> 01:35:12,500
wonder what the numbers are,
like and I know Amazon is Never

1533
01:35:12,500 --> 01:35:15,300
Gonna never going to release
that information.

1534
01:35:15,300 --> 01:35:19,400
Yeah.
I am people who, when I posted

1535
01:35:19,400 --> 01:35:21,800
like checked in on Facebook that
I was watching it.

1536
01:35:22,000 --> 01:35:25,700
I've had a few people be like,
yeah, we started it copped out

1537
01:35:25,700 --> 01:35:27,600
after episode one like one
person.

1538
01:35:27,600 --> 01:35:30,300
He was like Yeah, my mom started
watching it.

1539
01:35:30,300 --> 01:35:32,200
She didn't even get through the
whole first episode.

1540
01:35:32,200 --> 01:35:34,500
She hated it.
She hated absolutely everything

1541
01:35:34,500 --> 01:35:36,800
about it.
She refused to watch the rest of

1542
01:35:36,800 --> 01:35:38,500
it.
And then I do know, a few people

1543
01:35:38,500 --> 01:35:41,100
who are still watching it, but
they don't like it.

1544
01:35:41,200 --> 01:35:44,500
Like there was a actual thread I
think a couple of times I've

1545
01:35:44,500 --> 01:35:47,700
tweeted about something and
literally everybody abundant the

1546
01:35:47,700 --> 01:35:49,500
Tweet have been like, yeah,
you're right.

1547
01:35:49,600 --> 01:35:54,800
I don't like this either and I
have not I'm not really seen

1548
01:35:55,400 --> 01:36:00,300
anybody who is watch this.
And said that they loved it.

1549
01:36:00,300 --> 01:36:04,500
Not if they were fans of the
original Source material.

1550
01:36:04,600 --> 01:36:07,900
I have not said, I literally,
and I'm not exaggerating that.

1551
01:36:07,900 --> 01:36:14,100
I've not seen anybody yet, you
know, you know, that I'm friends

1552
01:36:14,100 --> 01:36:16,400
with.
Yeah.

1553
01:36:16,400 --> 01:36:22,200
I love it.
You know, you and I for years,

1554
01:36:22,200 --> 01:36:26,300
he'll talked about if you if you
was just starting to show you

1555
01:36:26,300 --> 01:36:31,000
got to give it about four or
five episodes before you can

1556
01:36:31,000 --> 01:36:34,000
pass judgment.
It's been five episodes.

1557
01:36:34,600 --> 01:36:38,100
I'm passing sugar is kind of
bad.

1558
01:36:38,800 --> 01:36:45,000
It really is, is that me what I
was expecting and I was really

1559
01:36:45,200 --> 01:36:50,600
hopeful for this one because,
you know, We live in a time now

1560
01:36:50,600 --> 01:36:56,600
where almost everything in
Hollywood is a remake or reboot?

1561
01:36:56,700 --> 01:37:00,100
Like there seemed to be no
original ideas coming out of

1562
01:37:00,100 --> 01:37:02,700
Hollywood.
Now, for the most part, a lot of

1563
01:37:02,708 --> 01:37:05,900
things have been rebooted.
A lot of Stephen King things,

1564
01:37:06,000 --> 01:37:09,300
especially the last few years.
I mean, they re done it, they've

1565
01:37:09,300 --> 01:37:16,100
redone pet cemetery, you know,
other things have come out, and

1566
01:37:16,900 --> 01:37:22,500
it's kind of like, I like the
originals and I understand the

1567
01:37:22,500 --> 01:37:26,200
reason for remakes.
I mean this day and age that we

1568
01:37:26,200 --> 01:37:27,800
are not the only ones to do
remakes.

1569
01:37:27,800 --> 01:37:31,600
I mean they've been doing
remakes almost since the history

1570
01:37:31,600 --> 01:37:37,300
of Hollywood, you know, um,
sometimes the remakes work, you

1571
01:37:37,300 --> 01:37:41,400
know, sometimes they don't this
one.

1572
01:37:41,700 --> 01:37:45,700
I was really, really looking
forward to it just because I

1573
01:37:45,700 --> 01:37:49,500
wanted to see what they would be
able to do with the The story

1574
01:37:49,600 --> 01:37:55,700
with new technology with new
grafic, CGI, whatever.

1575
01:37:55,800 --> 01:37:58,400
Because like you said, there
were some things about the 94,

1576
01:37:58,400 --> 01:38:00,800
like the whole hand of God thing
that thing was, that was

1577
01:38:00,800 --> 01:38:03,400
horrible.
It was really looking forward to

1578
01:38:03,400 --> 01:38:05,500
like, okay.
I want to see how they're going

1579
01:38:05,500 --> 01:38:08,600
to improve on this.
And there are some things that I

1580
01:38:08,600 --> 01:38:11,800
really, really do like about
this show.

1581
01:38:11,800 --> 01:38:16,400
Like I said, as far as casting
Alexander, Skarsgard, perfect,

1582
01:38:16,400 --> 01:38:21,600
as Randall, Flagg Catman, The
mirror perfect as jewelry, you

1583
01:38:21,600 --> 01:38:26,200
know playing Larry undo it.
Yeah, he's great.

1584
01:38:26,800 --> 01:38:34,000
Um, James Marsden is growing on
me is too but I don't feel like

1585
01:38:34,000 --> 01:38:39,400
we cease to enough in this
version for me to be like, oh,

1586
01:38:39,400 --> 01:38:40,800
yeah.
I absolutely hate him.

1587
01:38:40,800 --> 01:38:43,900
I absolutely love him.
Like he's kind of a is too

1588
01:38:43,900 --> 01:38:47,700
plain.
He's a yeah.

1589
01:38:58,500 --> 01:39:06,100
And the other really gotten any
Glenn and we're not getting near

1590
01:39:06,100 --> 01:39:08,100
as enough.
It near enough.

1591
01:39:08,300 --> 01:39:15,300
Nick know, Nick was like a main
character in the original and

1592
01:39:15,300 --> 01:39:20,800
Rob Lowe was great as Nick.
And he's one of my favorite.

1593
01:39:20,800 --> 01:39:22,300
He was evil.
He was one of my favorite

1594
01:39:22,300 --> 01:39:26,800
characters in the book is well
when I get enough of him and I

1595
01:39:26,800 --> 01:39:30,300
feel like at this point with
only four episodes left.

1596
01:39:30,500 --> 01:39:35,000
Those are some of the characters
that we really should be seeing

1597
01:39:35,000 --> 01:39:37,800
more of now.
I will say this, we do know that

1598
01:39:37,800 --> 01:39:42,100
still has a big part in towards
the end of the, towards the end

1599
01:39:42,100 --> 01:39:46,800
of the show, so we may see more
of students care to if they hold

1600
01:39:46,800 --> 01:39:49,200
true to the source material.
Material.

1601
01:39:49,500 --> 01:39:53,300
But at this point, I can't
really make much of a judgment

1602
01:39:53,300 --> 01:39:56,000
because he's been very neutral
in this.

1603
01:39:56,400 --> 01:40:03,200
Yeah, and it's almost as if for
me, the only thing keeping the

1604
01:40:03,200 --> 01:40:10,000
train going, are the actors, you
know, working with with a god,

1605
01:40:10,200 --> 01:40:13,200
they seem to be through their
acting performances.

1606
01:40:13,500 --> 01:40:18,400
Just carrying us through.
Yeah, and that seems to be the

1607
01:40:18,400 --> 01:40:20,300
case.
This is and maybe Amber Heard is

1608
01:40:20,300 --> 01:40:24,400
kind of helped the saddle stupid
with his last episode.

1609
01:40:26,100 --> 01:40:29,700
You heard me we've heard
characterization of Nadine

1610
01:40:29,900 --> 01:40:32,300
because again, they really
screwed it up with Dana.

1611
01:40:32,900 --> 01:40:35,800
I mean and like I said, I like
the actress that was playing

1612
01:40:35,800 --> 01:40:40,600
her, but it was just this
episode felt so unlike that

1613
01:40:40,600 --> 01:40:45,600
character.
Like I would, I'm sorry.

1614
01:40:46,000 --> 01:40:47,900
I would have picked her out
first day.

1615
01:40:48,800 --> 01:40:52,000
You see the only person walking
around asking about Randall,

1616
01:40:52,000 --> 01:40:53,900
Flagg.
Oh, something about you, ain't

1617
01:40:53,900 --> 01:40:58,200
right and light like Lloyd said,
Captain trips happened.

1618
01:40:58,200 --> 01:41:01,800
Long time ago.
Where have you been until now, I

1619
01:41:01,808 --> 01:41:04,100
was thinking she could.
It just been honest.

1620
01:41:04,300 --> 01:41:08,800
Well, I was, you know, trudging
along and I got kidnapped by

1621
01:41:08,800 --> 01:41:12,100
some crazy pervert who raped me
every night.

1622
01:41:12,500 --> 01:41:16,700
And I finally was able to kill
his ass and this is where I

1623
01:41:16,700 --> 01:41:19,700
ended up being that would have
made the for a better story

1624
01:41:19,700 --> 01:41:23,700
because of the like, wow, that's
what made them like.

1625
01:41:26,100 --> 01:41:29,500
Oh, how did you kill him?
I bashed his brains and there

1626
01:41:29,500 --> 01:41:32,200
was nothing left of his hair.
Oh, yeah.

1627
01:41:32,200 --> 01:41:35,300
Come on, let's go party.
That would have made so much

1628
01:41:35,300 --> 01:41:38,600
more sense.
And Julia could have like oh,

1629
01:41:38,608 --> 01:41:42,100
this is my girl, you know,
because that she's all about.

1630
01:41:42,200 --> 01:41:44,500
That and Julie was feeling her
anyway, Julie.

1631
01:41:44,500 --> 01:41:48,300
I think it was in to Dana more
than she was in before but you

1632
01:41:48,300 --> 01:41:52,800
know, but I thought that was a
wasted opportunity right there

1633
01:41:52,800 --> 01:41:56,600
just have her to just to
embellish her truth a little

1634
01:41:56,600 --> 01:41:59,600
bit.
That's how seeing of this I

1635
01:42:00,100 --> 01:42:00,800
after all.
This.

1636
01:42:00,800 --> 01:42:05,700
Should I even if you got some
stuff, you know, if you want

1637
01:42:05,700 --> 01:42:09,500
saying something do that, you
know, lean into it.

1638
01:42:12,800 --> 01:42:15,400
You got to lean in lean into
that decision.

1639
01:42:15,400 --> 01:42:23,100
You made follow through.
So we'll see how this we only

1640
01:42:23,100 --> 01:42:25,900
got another month and it'll be
all over.

1641
01:42:27,200 --> 01:42:30,300
We move on to bigger better.
Things will start talking about

1642
01:42:30,300 --> 01:42:32,900
American Gods and we'll put this
all behind this.

1643
01:42:34,800 --> 01:42:39,400
Yeah, but I you know, halfway
through I have to say I'm

1644
01:42:39,600 --> 01:42:43,400
probably more disappointed than
I am pleased with what they've

1645
01:42:43,400 --> 01:42:49,200
done so far, so, I don't know.
Let's just Let's just say, okay.

1646
01:42:49,200 --> 01:42:54,000
We've hit that for episode 5
episode hump and from here on

1647
01:42:54,000 --> 01:42:55,800
out.
They're going to blow our minds

1648
01:42:55,800 --> 01:42:59,000
out the water.
I mean, I don't know if I should

1649
01:42:59,000 --> 01:43:02,000
go that route because then I'll
be more disappointed.

1650
01:43:02,000 --> 01:43:04,800
If it doesn't come out that way
especially given what you've

1651
01:43:04,800 --> 01:43:09,100
said the critics are saying, but
I kind of there's a part of me

1652
01:43:09,100 --> 01:43:12,100
that really wants to have hope
that this is going to be better.

1653
01:43:14,600 --> 01:43:16,300
Anthony shaking his head like
nope.

1654
01:43:19,200 --> 01:43:24,300
We're kills my with.
We kills it for me and this is

1655
01:43:24,300 --> 01:43:26,100
going to sound like, out of left
field.

1656
01:43:26,800 --> 01:43:34,700
Is where the hell is my VIP ago?
Like, when, what where are you?

1657
01:43:35,200 --> 01:43:42,700
We got four episodes left and,
and Now, I remember in the

1658
01:43:42,700 --> 01:43:45,400
original story.
She left because as she said,

1659
01:43:45,400 --> 01:43:47,500
she had to go make her Penance
to God.

1660
01:43:47,500 --> 01:43:53,600
I know she but for some weeks
and then she came back and she

1661
01:43:53,600 --> 01:43:58,700
told she told the boulder, five
what God said they had to do.

1662
01:43:58,700 --> 01:44:02,600
And then after that, I believe
she dies, so we probably will

1663
01:44:02,600 --> 01:44:04,700
only see what be in, maybe one
more episode.

1664
01:44:04,700 --> 01:44:08,600
But I mean, we didn't eat, we
didn't even get enough of

1665
01:44:08,608 --> 01:44:10,500
mother.
Gail and know.

1666
01:44:10,500 --> 01:44:17,500
And I think that's, that's from
going, like you, I don't know.

1667
01:44:17,700 --> 01:44:21,600
I guess you took the main
characters of the show and you

1668
01:44:21,600 --> 01:44:27,700
and you relegated them to
secondhand neutral or just kind

1669
01:44:27,700 --> 01:44:31,900
of almost throw away characters.
Because again, we haven't really

1670
01:44:31,900 --> 01:44:37,200
seen much Nick and Nick Nick was
a huge huge, huge part of the

1671
01:44:37,200 --> 01:44:42,900
book and of the original Because
at this point, it's really a

1672
01:44:42,900 --> 01:44:48,400
show about Nadine Harold and
Franny.

1673
01:44:49,100 --> 01:44:54,100
And and Larry that is your core.
That's it.

1674
01:44:54,500 --> 01:44:56,000
Right?
Everybody else.

1675
01:44:57,300 --> 01:44:59,500
Derek.
They did not even co-stars, you

1676
01:44:59,500 --> 01:45:05,600
just background characters.
They were a episode 5, your

1677
01:45:05,600 --> 01:45:10,100
shows really if you really want
to be me and crew, it's is

1678
01:45:10,100 --> 01:45:13,700
really the herald and Franny
show everything revolves around

1679
01:45:13,700 --> 01:45:18,100
here on their Franny, with his
side story that's happening in

1680
01:45:18,100 --> 01:45:19,700
Vegas.
That's it.

1681
01:45:20,400 --> 01:45:27,600
This all you've given us and
it's one thing that this show is

1682
01:45:28,600 --> 01:45:30,800
making me want to do.
Now.

1683
01:45:30,800 --> 01:45:33,600
I really do want to go.
Back and reread the book and

1684
01:45:33,600 --> 01:45:37,900
re-watch the original series.
There is a series, I think

1685
01:45:37,900 --> 01:45:40,200
Utopias are you to find YouTube
YouTube.

1686
01:45:40,900 --> 01:45:44,500
So, I think at this point, once
I'm done with this, I'm going to

1687
01:45:44,500 --> 01:45:49,700
go back and revisit those
because You know, the the

1688
01:45:49,700 --> 01:45:54,700
original miniseries, it had its
faults, but I feel like it was a

1689
01:45:54,700 --> 01:46:01,800
truer adaptation than most of
his stuff is, you know, and I

1690
01:46:01,800 --> 01:46:08,400
remember a lot of the book being
put on that screen for those.

1691
01:46:08,400 --> 01:46:11,400
What was it?
Six and a half hours hours.

1692
01:46:11,400 --> 01:46:15,300
Maybe I do.
Eventually want to go back and

1693
01:46:15,300 --> 01:46:18,100
watch that especially if this
one doesn't turn out.

1694
01:46:18,800 --> 01:46:22,000
To be what I wanted to be.
I'm going to need something to

1695
01:46:22,000 --> 01:46:27,200
cleanse, my palate me back into
and put me back into the mindset

1696
01:46:27,200 --> 01:46:28,800
of this.
Being one of my favorite

1697
01:46:28,800 --> 01:46:33,100
all-time stories ever.
I just don't think this that

1698
01:46:33,100 --> 01:46:35,700
this miniseries is doing it for
me.

1699
01:46:36,000 --> 01:46:40,500
I think they just stopped doing
Stephen King adaptations.

1700
01:46:40,600 --> 01:46:45,200
I think this is just stop.
There was some good ones like

1701
01:46:45,300 --> 01:46:47,700
The Shining but that was Stanley
Kubrick.

1702
01:46:47,900 --> 01:46:51,900
He was He hates that, but he
wasn't going to mess it up

1703
01:46:51,900 --> 01:46:53,200
there.
Either.

1704
01:46:54,200 --> 01:46:54,700
You me.
Stephen.

1705
01:46:54,700 --> 01:46:56,500
Yeah, Stephen King.
Good like Nathan.

1706
01:46:56,500 --> 01:46:58,700
Yeah.
Well that's about egos.

1707
01:46:58,900 --> 01:47:02,600
No one's ego is larger was
larger than Stephen, King's been

1708
01:47:02,600 --> 01:47:05,500
in Stanley Kubrick's and you're
not going to tell Stanley

1709
01:47:05,500 --> 01:47:07,800
Kubrick what he's going to do in
his movie.

1710
01:47:08,200 --> 01:47:10,700
That's number one and Stanley
Kubrick's.

1711
01:47:10,700 --> 01:47:15,000
Version of the signing is better
than Stephen King's version of

1712
01:47:15,000 --> 01:47:17,600
The Shining.
Because when he was able to do

1713
01:47:17,600 --> 01:47:20,400
The Shining, And be involved in
it.

1714
01:47:20,500 --> 01:47:25,200
It wasn't nearly as good as the
original and that's because of

1715
01:47:25,208 --> 01:47:28,800
Stanley Kubrick either.
I mean, there's there's there's

1716
01:47:28,800 --> 01:47:33,100
a difference between I'm
speaking like, I'm an expert in

1717
01:47:33,100 --> 01:47:36,900
Authority obvious, but taking a
book and put it on the screen.

1718
01:47:37,100 --> 01:47:40,300
I'm sure it's not easy thing to
do, but you're going to have to

1719
01:47:40,300 --> 01:47:46,000
have someone pretty good to do
it and to do it, right?

1720
01:47:46,000 --> 01:47:48,200
It's like there's some things
it's just not going to.

1721
01:47:48,600 --> 01:47:51,900
This in the book second work on
screen, but there's some things

1722
01:47:51,900 --> 01:47:54,100
I can do on screen this kind of
going to work.

1723
01:47:54,100 --> 01:47:59,000
You know, I mean, the firm by
John Grisham is the excellent

1724
01:47:59,000 --> 01:48:01,900
book.
The movie has a different ending

1725
01:48:01,900 --> 01:48:05,400
in the book.
And guess what, is almost better

1726
01:48:05,400 --> 01:48:09,000
than the book the movie is
really, really good.

1727
01:48:09,400 --> 01:48:12,600
I mean, we can go on and on
maybe we should do an episode

1728
01:48:12,600 --> 01:48:16,100
about our favorite book to film
at their patients.

1729
01:48:17,300 --> 01:48:20,700
And some point, but like it's
not an easy thing to do.

1730
01:48:20,700 --> 01:48:25,000
And the reason why I had high
hopes for the stand is Nine

1731
01:48:25,000 --> 01:48:30,700
episodes, you know, nine hours.
You got you got a lot of time to

1732
01:48:30,700 --> 01:48:34,000
do it, right, you know to is a
lot of characters, a lot of

1733
01:48:34,000 --> 01:48:37,700
story.
You got nine episodes, you know,

1734
01:48:37,700 --> 01:48:39,300
you can do it.
No commercials.

1735
01:48:39,500 --> 01:48:44,100
Well, it does have commercials,
but you got a solid hour.

1736
01:48:45,700 --> 01:48:51,000
Well, well, yeah, Amazon throws,
commercial Co okay.

1737
01:48:51,100 --> 01:48:54,000
Okay.
Yeah, see, I watch mine on CBS

1738
01:48:54,000 --> 01:48:57,800
access.
But yeah, yeah.

1739
01:48:57,800 --> 01:49:01,700
And I mean, even if you were
going to do this, why stop at

1740
01:49:01,700 --> 01:49:05,400
night, just make it a one season
show.

1741
01:49:05,700 --> 01:49:08,400
Give it a full 10 episodes.
You could have thrown a little

1742
01:49:08,400 --> 01:49:10,400
bit more with the extra 60
Minutes.

1743
01:49:10,900 --> 01:49:11,900
Hmm.
Yeah.

1744
01:49:12,600 --> 01:49:15,300
Hey, you in the path, to
relegate these.

1745
01:49:15,500 --> 01:49:19,700
To is to basically just being
Side characters, especially

1746
01:49:19,700 --> 01:49:24,000
student, you know, you started
out strong and being just kind

1747
01:49:24,000 --> 01:49:26,600
of abandoned in some, for the
remaining episodes.

1748
01:49:26,600 --> 01:49:31,200
But like I said, he's character
picks up his involvement towards

1749
01:49:31,200 --> 01:49:35,500
the end of the story.
So, yeah, but been hoping

1750
01:49:35,700 --> 01:49:37,900
that'll pick up in the show as
well.

1751
01:49:38,300 --> 01:49:41,800
Yeah, but people who are still
fans after that first episode

1752
01:49:41,800 --> 01:49:45,900
we'll bill bill just like well
damn, he's not hitting it so Why

1753
01:49:45,900 --> 01:49:51,000
ever go past episode 4, episode
3 when he's hardly even in it.

1754
01:49:51,100 --> 01:49:54,900
Yeah, you know, I mean and and I
don't like Carol.

1755
01:49:55,500 --> 01:49:57,500
So people who think Harold is a
creep.

1756
01:49:57,500 --> 01:50:00,500
Why would they keep watching it?
Like, oh, he's terrible.

1757
01:50:00,600 --> 01:50:05,600
He's terrible, but he's on the
screen 50% of the time I'm done

1758
01:50:05,600 --> 01:50:07,500
with this and they stop watching
it.

1759
01:50:07,800 --> 01:50:10,600
That that that's what happens.
You know, Franny.

1760
01:50:10,600 --> 01:50:12,800
Oh my God, she treats her like
crap.

1761
01:50:12,900 --> 01:50:14,600
Why are we seeing them all the
time?

1762
01:50:14,700 --> 01:50:16,800
They're not occur.
Coat off.

1763
01:50:16,900 --> 01:50:18,900
I'm done with it.
Oh Larry.

1764
01:50:18,900 --> 01:50:22,300
That's a nice guy.
Wait, no, Larry this episode.

1765
01:50:22,400 --> 01:50:23,700
I'm done.
Yummy.

1766
01:50:24,000 --> 01:50:27,100
There's a this lot of places
where people would just jump

1767
01:50:27,100 --> 01:50:32,400
ship because you're not giving
us, you know knows a lot of the

1768
01:50:32,400 --> 01:50:34,000
characters and I understand what
you're saying.

1769
01:50:34,000 --> 01:50:38,500
You're going to give this more
stew later, but you you it's

1770
01:50:38,500 --> 01:50:45,300
almost like the pacing is such
that you don't get enough of it.

1771
01:50:45,400 --> 01:50:47,400
Anything.
It's like you gave me a plate

1772
01:50:47,400 --> 01:50:50,400
with a whole bunch of food, but
I like, I like the Thousand

1773
01:50:50,400 --> 01:50:52,300
Foods.
So I'm going to get like a

1774
01:50:52,300 --> 01:50:54,600
little tiny droplet of each
piece.

1775
01:50:55,100 --> 01:50:59,300
That's not satisfying, you can
feel me up and I'll be bursting.

1776
01:50:59,600 --> 01:51:04,200
But there wasn't anything else,
the things I truly enjoyed.

1777
01:51:04,200 --> 01:51:08,200
I didn't get enough of right.
Looks like Thanksgiving you ever

1778
01:51:08,200 --> 01:51:11,900
go to Thanksgiving and your eyes
are so big and you see all the

1779
01:51:11,900 --> 01:51:14,300
food in like, okay.
I'm just gonna get this Boon for

1780
01:51:14,300 --> 01:51:18,200
the greens.
Before the potato salad a little

1781
01:51:18,200 --> 01:51:22,400
spoonful of potato souffle.
A little piece of turkey, a

1782
01:51:22,400 --> 01:51:25,800
little piece of ham, a little
piece of fried chili, you sure

1783
01:51:25,800 --> 01:51:27,800
your plate up with all this
food.

1784
01:51:28,200 --> 01:51:31,100
You don't enjoy any of it.
Yeah.

1785
01:51:31,300 --> 01:51:35,800
That's how I feel.
The stand is Thanksgiving dinner

1786
01:51:38,400 --> 01:51:41,300
at Grandma's house where she
could everything.

1787
01:51:41,500 --> 01:51:44,400
Yeah.
And not enough all the same

1788
01:51:44,400 --> 01:51:50,300
time.
Why don't you want to enjoy it?

1789
01:51:50,900 --> 01:51:54,900
You want to delete the things
about it that you like, but

1790
01:51:54,900 --> 01:51:58,300
there just isn't enough Fair
Justice.

1791
01:52:01,300 --> 01:52:09,000
Well, I have four more episodes.
And at this point, it's too late

1792
01:52:09,000 --> 01:52:10,800
for us to pull out.
Like we got, we got to see it

1793
01:52:10,800 --> 01:52:12,400
through now, so I will see you
through.

1794
01:52:12,600 --> 01:52:15,400
Oh, good or bad.
We're here for the ride.

1795
01:52:15,400 --> 01:52:21,700
So, I think at this point, we
said all we needed to say and

1796
01:52:21,800 --> 01:52:25,300
we'll just pick this up next
week, for the next episode.

1797
01:52:25,300 --> 01:52:27,600
So for now, that's it for our
show.

1798
01:52:28,000 --> 01:52:32,800
You can find us online at
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1799
01:52:32,800 --> 01:52:36,400
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1800
01:52:36,400 --> 01:52:39,600
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1801
01:52:39,600 --> 01:52:42,200
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1802
01:52:42,200 --> 01:52:46,300
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1803
01:52:46,700 --> 01:52:49,100
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1804
01:52:49,100 --> 01:52:49,900
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