IT: Welcome to Derry (Season 1 Episode 8) - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #389

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What's up hybrids?
Welcome back to another episode

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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast.
This is Hanukkah and I am here

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with Anthony, Michelle and Dina
and we are discussing the

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absolutely phenomenal season
finale for It's Welcome to

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Dairy.
That is how you do a season

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finale.
Other shows need to take notes.

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That is how you do a season
finale.

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Yes, you do.
OK, I have 3.

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Things come on all.
Right here we go.

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Here's your 3.
Three things.

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Number one, I will never look at
school assembly is the same way

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again.
OK, it was given Carrie.

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That motherfucker know how to
make an interest, don't he?

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#2 How many snacks do you need
for the road?

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I'm just saying how many stacks
do you need for the river?

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You don't know where you're
going, so you just want to make

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sure.
That's.

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Why I'm awake.
I'm gonna go and hand pack me a

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light lunch.
And #3 I forgot the actress's

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name who played Lily, but her
impression of Frodo no, of

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Gollum and the Precious was just
too much for me.

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I I almost lost it, almost lost
my precious.

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Yeah, and.
We can share the load, I don't

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know.
Marcus Park Like maybe we need

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to take turns, OK, right.
We're not going nowhere.

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I'm like, thank you, Hermione,
Cause right, that's what I was

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thinking.
I was like, Oh my God.

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It's so hard, Crux, yeah.
And Lily is the run of the.

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Those are those are my three
things.

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I have one more but we can save
it for later.

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OK, OK, so this we going to
start all the way from the

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beginning when this fog is
coming in.

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I'm sorry, maybe it's just
because it was all the white

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folks.
And I'm saying this very I'm I'm

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joking a lot, but I'm not if it
were black.

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Folks.
We've seen that shit, and we'd

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have.
Ran right.

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And I mean, it was definitely
giving the miss, right?

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How I feel about the miss.
I feel very strong about the

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miss.
I'm moving away from the miss.

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It was this right and then
someone left their baby stroller

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just rolling.
I hope the baby wasn't in the

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stroller.
I think that was they just

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walked with the Mama who was
holding the baby and she was

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standing there turning around
trying to figure out which way

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she needed to go.
OK.

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And then that shoulder kept on
going, OK.

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But it's crazy because these
people are under the duck and

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cover times of like nuclear war
pending and all this other

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stuff.
And you see this coming, and

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you're just like, oh.
What is that?

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But he does have hypnotic, you
know, ashwagandha in the air,

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OK.
And I didn't say marijuana, but

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some ashwagandha in the air.
So they're just feeling like,

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oh, it's just the fog that comes
in off the ocean.

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That's what it is.
It's killing the leaves,

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clearly.
Yeah, but it's OK the.

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Minute I walked out of my Barber
shop and saw that before it got

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to me.
I don't know.

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I don't know how far that that
the reach of that stuff is and

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how far it's going to mess with
your mind before it actually

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gets to you.
I would have turned around and

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be like, Nope, I would just took
off running just somewhere,

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anywhere, because obviously
walking into the buildings

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didn't help him.
Yeah, you know, but I.

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Mean.
Well, and this was the so this

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was the crazy thing about all
that, because I was like, he's

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really just using that as a
literal smokescreen for the

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adults, because except for the
two adults that got well, 123

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adults that got in his way at
the school, touched the adults

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even when he came on the
intercom and he, you know, as

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the principal and he was like,
school is dismissed for the day.

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Upperclassmen, you can leave.
The rest of you come to the.

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I was like, yeah, he don't want
anybody.

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That's that's.
Probably.

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No word.
Yeah.

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So it must be something.
Maybe he, I, I don't know,

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'cause I was going to say we
know he can affect the adults.

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But I guess going back to what
you said a couple episodes ago,

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Anthony, the fear doesn't excite
him from the adults as much as

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it does for the kids.
I think the fear for the for the

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adults, he finds that humorous.
He finds it hilarious because we

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see he got us, he got a weird
sense of humor.

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But when it comes to the kids,
that's what gets him high, you

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know?
Yeah, some someone I had read

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somewhere, someone said, well,
the difference is like the fear

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of the kids is like fear is like
raw fear, just plain fear.

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Adult fear is like, how am I
going to make my next bill

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payment?
You know the feed is not.

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The same like how you manifest
that, like you just gonna throw

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some bills at me in my e-mail
and throw that by.

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Door starve off of that because
bills bills, bills, bills.

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Right and then at that point you
don't like they don't even taste

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that great.
I'd rather the kid who just

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scared them like a zombie boy.
They better taste it right Or

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like my.
Seeds gonna get cut off

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tomorrow.
The darker the meat.

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Oh my God.
OK, so let me ask this question.

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Did anybody else get offended by
that?

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Because I didn't, but apparently
a lot.

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Of people did.
Oh, a lot of people did.

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I didn't get offended because
I'm like clearly he's that type

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of person.
Like y'all missed the whole.

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Point of Penny Wise, yeah,
offended by that because this

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was my thing.
People got offended that he

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said, oh, I can't believe he
said that.

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I saw somebody was like, they
need to throw him under the

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jail.
I said, but y'all didn't have no

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problems with anybody calling
Lily Looney, Lily Bainbridge

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talking about mental health.
Y'all had no problems with the

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Patty case, calling Rich, Ricky
Ricardo, Junior or anything else

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that was kind of like that or?
You know, just eating children.

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Yeah, that's it.
First of all, he's an alien.

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He's an alien child murderer.
But that is OK.

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But then it's like, but then
really, what are you offended

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by?
Because we walk around and say

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that.
Oh yeah.

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Because you know.
Doctor The.

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Bear the Jews.
But then it says it.

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Can you offend it?
Why?

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Because you thought you can get
away from him?

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No, he he loves all the races.
He probably heard it getting in.

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Somebody's head.
Yeah, You know what I'm saying?

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You love them all.
And this is.

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Not the books, because in the
books they say the N word very,

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very freely.
Yeah, he didn't say that.

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And I looked at it as you know,
he was doing the he was doing

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these things to provoke these
specific children and we find

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out late why later, but I feel
like he was really trying to

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provoke Leroy.
And how you going to provoke a

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black man whose child is oh, say
some shit like that.

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I was like he said, I said, oh,
you just don't know Leroy about

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the whoop your ass.
It's.

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About to go down.
Right.

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So I took it for what it was.
Like it was supposed to piss

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Leroy off.
Pennywise is offensive.

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He says things that are out of
pocket and he doesn't.

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There's there's.
Nippy indefensive about it it

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it's whole purpose is to either
upset you and make you scared

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like.
Yeah, like, oh, did you just

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talk about my child or wait, did
you just threaten to eat my

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child?
Eat the way it goes.

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I don't care.
The intended effects.

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Yeah, but that's also the thing
too.

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It's been because it's been a
lot of the, you know, which is

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true, that typically in these
types of movies, the real

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monster or the scariest thing is
not the monster itself, but the

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racist.
And that's very true.

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But, and I think that that's
they had separated him from that

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type of evil.
Yeah.

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And so I think for some people
it's him jumping over it.

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My thing is he's been eating
racist.

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So what does he got inside him?
You know what I'm saying?

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Like he, he got that inside him.
He is equal opportunity.

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But he but he's also like we
said before, he going to say

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something to get under your
skin, right?

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So what do you want him to say?
You want you want him to be

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polite?
This man said Do you?

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Is it the face on my face?
The face.

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On my face.
The face on my.

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Face so yeah, he don't he don't
tell Leroy your son going to

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taste good he black.
And he didn't like all those

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black people in the black spot
either.

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He had.
It had nothing to do with that,

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it just happened to be.
Opportunity.

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But he didn't change the doors.
Yeah, he didn't even put them

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there.
That was Ingrid trying to get

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trying to bring him out.
He was trying to take his nap.

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Honey.
He was like now woke me up.

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Right.
Right in the military.

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I mean, I, I was tripping when
he said that.

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I was like, OK, so Pennywise
likes his meat a little

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seasoned.
OK, I I guess.

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I mean, it was, it was funny to
me because that's the context.

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It was supposed to be.
It was like supposed to be

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offensive to the point where you
like, this dude's stupid.

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He crazy.
Yeah.

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I mean, that's literally his
whole persona.

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He says things that are
offensive.

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He says things that are out of
pocket.

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He says things like, yeah, I, I
just, when I saw that online, I

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was like, y'all.
I mean, it's just, we do tend to

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get very, very sensitive about a
lot of things, you know, I mean,

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'cause somebody had pointed out
they were like, didn't Freddy

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Krueger say something similar to
that back in the 80s, like.

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Probably so.
Probably so you.

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Know like, probably so, yeah,
but I mean, Penny wise, he knows

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how to make an interest 'cause
when he called the kids into

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this assembly and they're coming
in and the Paddy cakes are

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looking like, where are the
teachers?

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I was like, OK, this is not,
this is about to be ugly.

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I was not expecting the
principal to already be dead.

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But it's like literally soon as
he comes through the curtains

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and he starts moving his mouth,
I said, is he using this dude as

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a puppet?
What?

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He is using the principal as a
ventriloquist dummy.

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I was like, you know what?
This whole episode is about to

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be unhinged as.
As soon as it started talking, I

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turned, Michelle said.
Oh, he gone.

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Yeah.
He's gone like already dead, and

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then it's not bad enough that
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You got to go add insult to
injury.

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You got to put your hands in his
eyes, RIP his head off, throw

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the body, and then you punt the
punt the the head like a

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football.
I was like, you know what?

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I think Bill had a little too
much fun filming this that day.

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And you can and you can tell
right now it is like not giving,

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giving, not bothered by anything
because it hadn't even like

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fixed itself.
It's still have covered up to

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hearing.
He wouldn't show it.

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He was getting out of the shower
yet?

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Oh, I I thought I was going to
be asleep for 27 years.

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I I get some extra time.
I think he was literally high

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off of the.
'Cause I'm about to go

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traveling, I'm about to go on a
long extended vacation.

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Let me get out of my food, out
of this cage, right?

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But my, my thing is I, this is a
great time to be a upperclassman

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'cause you got to go home.
Look, listen, because.

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I was like, all these kids about
to die.

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Like I thought he was going to
kill everyone.

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And then he starts singing the
song and the song.

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OK, the song was creepy in and
of itself.

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But when he got to that last
note and held that note while

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the day, I was like, I'm done,
I'm done.

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Because I know I'm supposed to
be horrified right now.

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I was on my couch cracking up.
I was like, OK, I think this is

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the first time that I've really
looked at his Pennywise as

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anything comical because, you
know, we always talk about Tim

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Curry's version of Pennywise.
He was funny.

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He was more funny than scary, I
think.

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And that I think for me,
especially watching it, you

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know, being younger, I think
that was the thing that scared

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you most because he actually did
pull you in this one.

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He's just always been scary.
But when he started doing this,

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I was like, I know I am not
supposed to be laughing right

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now.
I should be feeling sorry for

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these kids.
Oh God.

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It was also the Patty cakes.
And even though I didn't want

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them dead, I was like, they need
to be dead lighted for about 10

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minutes.
I, I just after all the stuff

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that they have put Lily through
this season, I was like, you

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know what, they deserve to be
dead lighted.

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But the rest of the kids?
No out.

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I see your pretty faces and I
taste them too.

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And did you notice?
Like, it's, it's almost like as

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soon as he started singing, it
really started hypnotizing

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everybody because even the kids
who were at the door, as soon as

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he started, they stopped to turn
around.

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Like I was like, oh, he about to
munch on all of them.

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And then he did the deadlight
thing and let them out.

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I was like, OK, this is
different.

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That was a great scene.
It was, and really.

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Well shot.
Yeah, it was just, yeah, it was

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really pretty.
Pretty in a very.

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Eerie way, Yeah, yeah.
Eerie.

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But yeah, very eerie, yeah.
But then you have the girls

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upstairs still in the tower, and
again I'm sitting here like

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these kids have been part of a
fire when one of their friends

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died.
Baby, the sewers being.

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Chased by mom, but it that was
even before the fire and and and

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rich dying like this is this is
news.

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Like I thought about this for
the last episode.

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I'm like, OK, so you have these
kids that you found at this

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place that y'all are
investigating for fire.

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So we saw Leroy and Charlotte
come for Will, but that's

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because they knew Will was
there.

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Y'all didn't think to call the
other parents to have them come

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pick up their children?
They ain't been around, no way.

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I was like, what did that did?
Did Charlotte and Leroy take

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them home or?
Lily's Mama working the triple

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shift.
She ain't got time for all that.

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She honestly ain't got time for
Lily, period.

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She tired of Lily.
Shenanigans is what she tired

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of, apparently, because she
ain't really been great to her

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this whole show.
No.

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She ain't got time for none of
that.

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None of it.
No, if you call me about Lily

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one more time, one more time,
one more time.

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You going to?
What's that place I can never

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Juniper Hills with?
Him but the girls being up on

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the tower when all of this stuff
happens, I was like, oh, OK,

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maybe they can escape it.
But of course they got to go see

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what's going on.
Which at this point I kind of

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understand because they're like,
OK, we have gone through enough.

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We just lost Rich.
What is going on in in the town?

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They they know they have a
weapon that it's scared of.

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So I guess they feel a little
bit bold.

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And Marge is like I really want
to kill this class.

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Yeah, she got real hard.
Right.

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Because when when they turn
around, they.

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It was very strong, the.
Wanted posters for all the kids

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and Marge was like this
everybody we go to school with

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like what is this thing doing?
Because I don't even know if at

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this point if they know that
Pennywise is supposedly asleep,

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like maybe Will's parents told
them because of, you know, so

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maybe they're thinking it too.
And they're like, wait, what is

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all this going on?
Then they go to the school, they

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see the dead principal's head.
They see the dead milkman.

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They see it.
Somebody, somebody else was

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there.
Oh, no, that was the principal's

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body.
But they see blood and.

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They tell the missing posters.
Yeah, missing posters.

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And then they get the they get
the one that happens to blow on

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Lily's leg, which I think was on
purpose and it's will and

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they're like, Yo, we, we got to
go save our friend.

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We we're not doing this again.
So let me tell you when they got

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ready to first of all, I'm
impressed about the fact that

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they had three people on this
bike and they were they were

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getting it.
I was impressed.

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But when they tried to do it the
second time, probably because

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they're so nervous and scared,
they can't do it when Marge was

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like we getting in the milk
truck.

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Let's go, Marge, let's go.
I was like.

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Marge just got it, Marge.
She bowed it.

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You don't know how to try it.
She was like, I watched, it's

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OK.
I watched right and then y'all

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want to blame stuff happening on
her one eye right?

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What?
Y'all doing?

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I I want to say I I used to
wonder why the Patty Cates

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wanted Marge and their group,
but now I see it there.

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There is something special about
her, you know.

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Yeah.
She's she's.

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Let her be herself.
Yeah, good.

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And they wouldn't let her be
herself because she she's

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really, she's smart, right?
Yeah.

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And she's strong, she fun, you
know, she got to come back and

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stuff for people, so.
And.

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She's smart because they're
like, have you driven before?

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It's like, no, but I've seen my
uncle drive.

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Right, and that's a stupid I
would have still been in the

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parking lot a big.
Car, you know, yeah, that's the

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thing.
That's a good point.

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You break up, bring up about
hers because it is it is that

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thing when people beat you down
so much you for you forget who

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you are.
You forget what strengths you

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have or you don't know you have
strength because people hold you

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down so much.
And for for her just trying to

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fit in because she was picked
on.

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I probably picked on way worse
before she started hanging with

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the Patty cakes.
And then they finally gave her

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an opening and she was just like
desperate.

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And you know, I just, you know,
I felt like even before she

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tried to cut her eyes out, the
fact that she was going to tell

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Lily the truth, show her
character because she felt bad

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enough where she was just like,
you know what, this is way

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beyond my pay grade.
Like I can't be this kind of

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person.
You know, her character really

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has is really changed my whole
opinion because at first I was

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like, please murder.
We were all like, can't, can't

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just go after her because it was
like, you are supposed to be

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this girl's friend and you are
letting popularity and status

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and all this other, you know,
superficial stuff coming away of

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someone that you've been friends
with since first grade.

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Yeah, I, I was like that too.
I was like, I don't like her.

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But when I say this is she's one
of those characters where you

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see the growth of the character.
And like you said, Michelle,

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when she's given an opportunity
to just be herself.

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And I, I do think a lot of that
had to do with Rich too, you

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know, because Rich was the one
kid out of the whole group who

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basically accepted everyone for
whatever.

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Even when Lily was like, they
think I'm crazy.

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It was like, yeah, they think
you crazy.

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My Barber thinks you crazy, This
person thinks you crazy.

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And OK, whatever.
We, we, we notice already.

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Let's move on.
He literally gave people their

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space to deal with their stuff.
And same thing with Marge.

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You know, Marge is coming in to
the group late.

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She's coming in after having
been, you know, the way she was

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with Lily.
So everybody else is already

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looking at her like they don't
trust her.

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And Rich was the one, yeah,
because he had the little crush,

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but also because he was just
like, OK, we're all just kind of

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outcast here.
So yeah, it's cool, Rich.

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You know our baby, but let me
tell you when.

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When when they were driving in
the truck and they're sitting

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there arguing with each other,
My whole thing was, Ronnie, when

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you shut up and let this girl
drive talking about you need to

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go faster, you need to go
faster.

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Look, y'all traveling faster
than y'all.

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What's a milk for a bite?
And if she had been paying

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attention to the road instead of
paying attention to you fussing

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at her, then she wouldn't hit
the pothole.

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And y'all, I was like, Ronnie,
stop.

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I'm going to tell you now.
The Grogan's were kind of they,

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they, they were getting on the
nerves this episode.

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Ronnie kind of chilled out after
that because when she when she

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was the one that kind of stopped
Lily.

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Lily, you are not, you are not
dragging us down.

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You are, you are a lifeboat.
You are a lifeboat.

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She was the one that snapped her
out.

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I was like, OK, Ronnie, all
right, you cool with me now.

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You, you was kind of getting on
that, that nerve, that last

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nerve.
But OK, they show once y'all

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unite, once y'all do stuff
together and y'all are on the

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same page, y'all can do some
stuff.

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They are a solid team.
They really are they.

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Are, and I think going back to
what you said, Michelle, about

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Marge and her being able to just
be herself.

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I think the same also goes with
Lily, because Lily, you know,

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everybody is always looking at
her strange.

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You know, they're calling her
names, calling her crazy,

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calling her this, calling her
that.

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And then the stuff that
Pennywise said to her got in her

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head about, oh, yeah, you bring
them all together and bring them

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to me.
But no, it's because of Lily

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that they were all together.
So I think once Ronnie said that

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to her, that also gave her her
her calmness and her strength to

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be like, OK, you know what, I
can do this.

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I can, I can be that person for
the group.

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I can, I can hold on to
everybody else and help

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everybody.
You know, I just think all of

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them came through such
transformation from where we

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first saw them to where they
ended up.

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And, and for them to have to go
through what they went through

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at the end of this episode, it's
like they couldn't have done

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this without all of that.
They had to go through those

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little challenges and, you know,
kind of being able to see

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themselves for who they really
are.

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Except for we don't really have
full Lily, to be honest with

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you, since the source, because
she has been taken Yeah, by the.

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Yeah, by the one source, the. 1.
Ring, the one ring that rules

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the mark.
Yeah, because that has been

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corrupting her this whole entire
time.

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So hopefully she can snap it.
Snap out of it and, well, we're

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done with them.
But, you know, we really didn't

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get to see Lily and her true
glory.

427
00:24:26,360 --> 00:24:27,600
Yeah.
Yeah.

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Instead we just see, like,
really.

429
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Well, I'm sorry.
I just don't really care for

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much for Lily.
And Lily could have just, you

431
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,520
know, succumb.
I'm just saying.

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Dumb.
No.

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No, just.
What I just she just gets on my

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nerves to hurt.
She just so she and I would be

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too if I was in her position.
She just very whiny and that

436
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gets on my nerves.
Right.

437
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:52,360
And that's.
It, but we have to think about

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it.
She has also been through the

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most trauma out of anybody in
that group.

440
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Right.
But it's time to step up though,

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sorry.
She's 11 years.

442
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Old, I don't care.
Everybody else has stepped up.

443
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Everybody else is doing some
adult things, you know, and

444
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,120
having to deal with it.
Everybody can't be rich.

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Or wheel.
Or Marge.

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We learn.
We'll talk to your game.

447
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,160
Well, you know all of us will
talk good game, but then we turn

448
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,360
around and So what?
Jumps off our refrigerator.

449
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I I would be a little off too.
Up to his nose and blood.

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00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,960
Covered in blood, right?
Yeah, I think y'all punk out.

451
00:25:31,360 --> 00:25:34,720
Yeah, I would.
I would say yeah, yeah.

452
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,120
I'm sorry.
I know what I was saying right,

453
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:41,360
But the thing about that dagger
is something we find out from

454
00:25:41,360 --> 00:25:45,840
Rose, Rose tells she, she tells
the group because at this point

455
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,080
and we'll we'll talk about
Leroy.

456
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:52,080
But she when when Leroy goes to
tell Charlotte that Will has

457
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:55,440
been taken, she starts talking
about the dagger.

458
00:25:55,440 --> 00:26:00,080
And when they try to go find the
dagger, she says that the dagger

459
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,040
is part of the comment that this
thing came down on.

460
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,960
And all it wants to do is to go
back, quote UN quote.

461
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,440
Home, which is in the tunnels
under the house, house on Nebolt

462
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,160
St.
And she said the further away

463
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:18,320
you take it from the the tunnels
or from the house, it's going to

464
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:22,160
do what it needs to do to try to
get back and it's going to mess

465
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,120
which is going to affect your
mental health.

466
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,800
And of course where the kids
were trying to take it, they

467
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,720
were trying to take it literally
on the opposite from where the

468
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,800
house is so that they could try
to close the cage.

469
00:26:33,120 --> 00:26:37,280
So I think because they were
going further away from the

470
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,880
house, that's why Lily was
losing it the most.

471
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,360
And then of course, once Margie,
Ronnie kind of took turns with

472
00:26:44,360 --> 00:26:47,760
it, you know, that she wasn't as
bad as she was.

473
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:51,280
So I think kind of like the
Horcrux and Harry Potter, we

474
00:26:51,360 --> 00:26:53,840
mentioned it earlier, but I
think it was just one of those

475
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,360
things where it was affecting
her the longer she was holding

476
00:26:56,360 --> 00:26:58,840
on to it.
Like if she had kept it in her

477
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:02,480
bag, she might have been maybe
not as far gone.

478
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:06,160
But you see, she put it in her
bag and then she ended up she

479
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,840
was walking with it like this,
like she didn't want to let it

480
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,880
go.
So that thing was like, yeah, I

481
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:13,120
can get her.
I can get her.

482
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,960
And then, you know, it just
didn't anticipate that she had

483
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,800
friends with her who like, Nope,
you're not going to do this by

484
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,880
yourself.
And then the same thing happens

485
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:27,880
to Will later on.
Yeah, but Will turned his ass

486
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:29,520
around.
He's like, yeah, I'm going to

487
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,040
take it back.
He did because that's what the

488
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,560
thing was telling him to do.
I know that was that was so

489
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:36,040
funny.
He was.

490
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,680
Like it was because it was so
sudden.

491
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:40,240
It was so sudden.
Just turn around.

492
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:41,440
OK, I'm going to take it back
now.

493
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,200
Right.
Wait, wait, wait, wait.

494
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:49,480
But before we go on with the
kids going back to the adults

495
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,200
and Leroy finding out about Will
being taken.

496
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,200
So I I thought about it when
they showed that say I said, OK,

497
00:27:56,200 --> 00:28:00,040
so that answers Denny's question
because Dina, Dina was like, if

498
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,280
you see what they doing at the
base, why not call your wife and

499
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,280
your child and tell them to get
the hell out the house.

500
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:09,280
So apparently he did go straight
to his house on the base.

501
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,880
He tried to call them at the
house and that's when he finds

502
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,560
out that they're taking.
But I thought about I said, you

503
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:16,120
know what?
I said Charlotte going to whoop

504
00:28:16,120 --> 00:28:21,040
his ass when she find out.
I was like Charlotte going to

505
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,880
whoop his ass.
But when he goes to Hallering

506
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:28,800
Hallering, that poor man, I
really like if it wasn't for the

507
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,640
fact that I knew he he exists in
The Shining.

508
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:37,560
I really thought he was about to
just end it all because the the

509
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,760
the one ghost, the first ghost
that he sees, the one that's at

510
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,280
the wall.
I didn't realize he was

511
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,760
plastered on the wall the way he
was.

512
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,360
And then when he tells one of
the other ones to leave him

513
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,280
alone, that joker came out
though.

514
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,480
I said, you know what?
I don't know how they did that

515
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,040
effect.
That was so cool.

516
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,760
But I was like, Nope, cuz he
almost looked like one of those.

517
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,800
What do you call them?
They the like the fat boys is

518
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:05,960
the little things that they put
that you put on the wall.

519
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,200
Yeah, he was almost on the wall.
Like he was a sticker.

520
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:11,760
And I was like, that's
interesting.

521
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:15,600
And then he and then he pulls
out the wall.

522
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:19,400
I was like, no, no, that's,
that's too much.

523
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:25,000
And then he had then he had the
nurse and there was another guy.

524
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:30,040
I was like, you know what?
And then when when Leroy comes

525
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,040
in and he's looking at him, I'm
like, why are you looking at

526
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:34,000
him?
Like you surprised?

527
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:35,880
He told you what was going to
happen.

528
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,280
He told you what was going to
happen to him.

529
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,640
So when he told Leroy you did
this, you did.

530
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,360
I said let let him feel that
guilt.

531
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,320
I still feel like I still feel
like Leroy.

532
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,320
Leroy.
Don't halfway believe him.

533
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,480
I, I kind of feel like Leroy
don't halfway bleed show I

534
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,160
don't.
Know because after after all

535
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:59,880
girls show them where the the
the the artifact was.

536
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,200
I would think that.
OK, you know what?

537
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:04,520
You you were telling the.
Truth.

538
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:08,320
But Leroy, he's trying, he's
been trying to tell him, dude,

539
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:14,080
if you understood what I saw,
what I see presently, like even

540
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,280
the previous episode, he's like,
are they here now?

541
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:23,360
Yes, you know, but if I Leroy
can't quite wrap his head around

542
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,880
the fact that this man is really
struggling.

543
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,600
Well, I think he does because,
you know, he can help him, But

544
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:35,800
the reality of no one will know
how that is unless you're

545
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:39,440
sitting in it like he's like,
oh, OK, you see dead people.

546
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,920
It can't be that bad.
Yeah, it can be.

547
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,600
You know what I'm saying?
Those dead people are creeping

548
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,800
on the floor.
Right, You know what I'm saying?

549
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:51,840
So for him, he's like, OK, you
hear voices, but I'm thinking it

550
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:52,880
should be that bad.
I.

551
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,240
Think.
Well, hearing voices.

552
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,680
Hearing voices is not as bad as
actually seeing the people.

553
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:02,800
No, no, but it's bad either way.
If there's constant noise in

554
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:04,680
your head and them talking, he's
seeing them.

555
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,200
But Lee but Leroy don't get
that.

556
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:11,960
He never experienced it before.
And also I think our, our, our

557
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:16,800
idea of like ghosts and spirits,
I think for for a lot of people

558
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,480
is kind of like the romanticized
version.

559
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:23,080
You know, you think about, you
know, women ghosts walking

560
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,960
around and their little, you
know, their little old fashioned

561
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,320
night gowns and just kind of
floating on the air.

562
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:33,120
You don't really think about the
bad part of a spirit.

563
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,920
You know, you don't think about
the violent spirits unless you

564
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:37,960
watch something that's horror
based.

565
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,520
You know, it's.
And I think that probably could

566
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:45,040
be what it was for Leroy,
because it's like, even when

567
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,800
Dick was telling him about his
powers, he was like, yeah, we

568
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:49,080
got people like that in New
Orleans.

569
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:54,080
OK, you got people like that.
But I don't think you quite

570
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:58,480
understand when this man talks
about he has voices in his head.

571
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:02,120
And I think maybe that's also
the other thing, because he

572
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:06,280
keeps saying voices dead things.
I don't think he's I don't think

573
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:12,880
he he communicated to Leroy.
No, these things are walking

574
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,480
around.
I see them except for when he

575
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,320
was talking about the one that
they needed to follow for the

576
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:24,240
for the artifact and that one he
wasn't scared of because she

577
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:28,680
helped him.
So maybe that's what Leroy was

578
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,160
thinking.
Like, OK, they can't, like you

579
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:31,840
said, Michelle, they can't be
that bad.

580
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,840
You don't know that this one
right here has his brains blown

581
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,920
out and this one right here is
missing his face from the jaw

582
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,600
down.
And you, you don't understand

583
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,800
all of that because I don't know
if even Dick has.

584
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,720
I don't know if he's able to put
that into words because it might

585
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,760
seem simple for us, Like, OK,
just tell them you see dead

586
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:53,720
people walking around.
But for him, it might be a

587
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:58,360
little bit more involved in
that, you know, not it's just

588
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,160
one of those things where you
just really can't explain.

589
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,320
It's like you got to see it to
believe it.

590
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,600
But either way it goes.
Leroy was getting on my nerves.

591
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:11,360
I was like, you did this to him.
Like he just told you, you did

592
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:15,080
this to him because you're
trying to, you know, get your

593
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:18,520
your position trying to get a
promotion, trying to whatever it

594
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,160
is you trying to do for the
military or for this country,

595
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:25,160
you fuck this man over and now
you want him to come and help

596
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:29,000
you.
And I was like, if, if he does

597
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:34,080
what he does, it just is what it
is because you, you brought this

598
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,000
on him.
But then when he brought that,

599
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:39,040
he was like, it took will please
help me find my baby.

600
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:40,640
Put I was like, OK, you know
what?

601
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,560
Feel sorry for you now.
Yeah, 'cause he broke it down.

602
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:48,160
My baby.
Save my baby.

603
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,480
Right, right.
And and he said I'll help you

604
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,880
do.
I'll pull the trigger myself.

605
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:55,840
She was like but I need to get
my.

606
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:57,360
Son, but I need to get my son
back.

607
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:03,280
So then they go to roses, which
is where Charlotte and Hank are,

608
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:07,200
and Charlotte goes off, you
know?

609
00:34:08,159 --> 00:34:11,520
Yes, she did.
And and and rightfully so, but

610
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,520
also, you shouldn't have left
your child in the house.

611
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,560
I'm sorry, you just shouldn't
have.

612
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,480
Yeah, if you thought your kid
was, if you thought it was safe

613
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:22,639
enough to take, what's Hank?
Why would you not think it's

614
00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:23,760
safe enough to take?
Your kid.

615
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,800
Over to Rose's house because you
know Hank was going to be

616
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:30,239
protected over there, but you
leave your kid in the town oh,

617
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,080
he's sleep now.
I don't care what you say.

618
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:33,880
Sleep now.
Y'all don't know what everybody

619
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,199
is together.
We all together till we leave

620
00:34:36,199 --> 00:34:40,080
this town not.
Exactly, exactly, exactly.

621
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:47,480
So over there they go into this
thing they they talk about

622
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:51,080
trying to get Charlotte to
connect with Will and Dick is

623
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,280
going to try to use his powers
to help her do that.

624
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,000
But Dick is like y'all don't
understand.

625
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,360
I keep telling y'all, I got all
these voices in my head and you

626
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,880
when you say you want me to
focus on your little dagger

627
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:05,400
because Rose was like, well
instead of focusing on Will,

628
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,400
focus on the dagger.
If we find the dagger, we can

629
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,920
put the dagger in the place of
the other artifact.

630
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:15,160
We can cage him again.
So she tells him.

631
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,120
I can quiet the voices in your
head, but you're going to have

632
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:21,000
to trust me.
And she makes this this little

633
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,000
tea.
Out of.

634
00:35:23,240 --> 00:35:25,960
Yes, and she was like here
drinking.

635
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,840
It'll quiet it.
She waits until after he drinks

636
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,120
it and then she's like.
Oh.

637
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:35,480
Yeah.
Like something you should have

638
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:39,080
said first give.
Me the instructions. 1st but I

639
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,200
don't think she was expecting
him to drink it that like that

640
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,480
too and I think when he did that
I was like OK so y'all should

641
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:50,400
understand just how bad off he
is because he is drinking a

642
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,520
substance he knows nothing
about.

643
00:35:52,720 --> 00:35:55,320
He doesn't know what kind of
effect it's going to have on

644
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,520
him, but she's like, OK, this is
quite a way.

645
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,320
Oh, OK.
He took it like a shot that.

646
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,160
Should tell.
Y'all right then?

647
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:05,880
Yeah.
How screwed up his mind was at

648
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:07,120
that.
Yeah, because he was like, how's

649
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:08,040
this going to work?
She say.

650
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:13,480
You know, in order for one door
to open, another must close, and

651
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,160
they weren't.
He knocked it back.

652
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,320
But think about it, he was by
the pool of bullies in his head,

653
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,280
so.
Yeah, whatever he needed to.

654
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,640
I just imagine like, I just
wouldn't want to see all that.

655
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:33,640
No, and I think about that every
time I watch movies or shows

656
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:37,600
like that where people like The
Sixth Sense was a big one for me

657
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,600
because that's literally what
this kid was saying.

658
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:44,320
He was not only seeing just dead
people were ghost walking

659
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,200
around.
He was seeing the violent ones,

660
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:52,080
the ones that you know, met
violent ends who were roaming

661
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:55,240
the the the earth because their
spirit wasn't that rare.

662
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:59,160
I would not want to.
I wouldn't want to have that

663
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,800
power.
No, it's 'cause you want, you

664
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:05,360
want to say, can I, can I see
you how you was like a week ago

665
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,280
or something like?
And that thing you can't choose

666
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,680
with that kind of power you.
No, it's like, why?

667
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:12,800
Why you got to be coming at me
like this?

668
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,240
Yeah.
Can you come to me with a whole

669
00:37:15,240 --> 00:37:16,720
head?
And I have a head from being

670
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,520
with a shotgun.
But even even in Harry Potter,

671
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,800
they appear.
Ghosts appear as when they died.

672
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:24,480
No, I don't want that.
Yeah.

673
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,920
Or you want the ghosts, that
fellas that died and they sleep.

674
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:36,320
Yeah.
But so they so they they figure

675
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,480
out where the dagger is.
They figure out that the girls

676
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:43,600
have it.
And you know, he tells them he

677
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:45,680
was like, the girls are going.
They're going to try to save

678
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:47,520
Will.
And Hank is like my baby

679
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,760
running.
OK, here, here's my one right

680
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:56,280
for the whole episode.
Hank Grogan is probably the most

681
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,640
useless character in the whole
damn show.

682
00:38:00,240 --> 00:38:01,840
Useless.
No, he.

683
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:02,800
Said his.
Purpose.

684
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,560
Or or what?
For Ingrid, he served.

685
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:08,400
That's the OK, but here I mean
he.

686
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:13,400
Had two purposes, actually my.
Did you have Ronnie?

687
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:19,480
Actually, it's the wife.
This is dead wife I.

688
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:25,360
I don't know, but my whole thing
with Hank is you messed around

689
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:28,080
with the white woman and put
yourself in a position where you

690
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,880
couldn't have your own alibi
because that would have got you

691
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:36,720
killed.
Then you you go and impose on

692
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:42,080
other people trying to hide.
Them all in danger.

693
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,280
And tell them that you're going
to stay put.

694
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:48,640
And then the minute danger shows
up at the door, hey, I'm here.

695
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:53,840
So you put everybody in danger
and you, you know, you're not

696
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,720
completely responsible, but you
are partially responsible for

697
00:38:57,720 --> 00:39:02,680
what happened at the black spot
'cause you could have called

698
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:03,960
your ass out of window or
something.

699
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,240
But.
You could have not come out like

700
00:39:06,240 --> 00:39:08,720
they told you not to, I mean.
They would have gone searching.

701
00:39:08,720 --> 00:39:11,720
For him he was useless.
You can't even help shoot at the

702
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:13,920
end like come.
On and that's what I'm getting

703
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:17,880
to everybody else.
Has a part to play.

704
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:22,760
You're the children, The 12 year
olds are trying to take this

705
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:26,960
dagger across the lake so they
can trap this thing.

706
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:32,440
Leroy has been shot.
Tango has been shot and killed.

707
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:39,200
Y'all fight against the
military, you take their weapons

708
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:43,920
and Leroy is the only person
using the gun to shoot like

709
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,480
Pennywise is.
Skip to my Lewin all the way

710
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:53,520
across the river to get to your
children and all you can say is

711
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:58,120
oh shit and Ronnie go baby, go.
Bro that is.

712
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,800
Even if you don't know how to
use the gun, you sit there and

713
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:06,120
you trial and error.
You figure that shit out.

714
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,240
That thing is going after your
daughter.

715
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:13,600
I when I say I was so hot at him
and even Charlotte because I was

716
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:17,040
like, why are you holding a gun?
And you ain't going to shoot.

717
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:19,920
Yeah, I was like, why are they
not shooting?

718
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,720
They just standing there.
Because at least that was.

719
00:40:22,720 --> 00:40:25,600
Slowing him down if it Even if
it wasn't permanently hurting

720
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,280
him, it was slowing him down.
Right.

721
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,880
They just watching and then the
guys on the ground, they ain't

722
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:32,600
doing nothing.
But what do you want you

723
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:34,120
guarding?
Because they embarrassed, they

724
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:37,240
just got their ass kicked by
some civilians, you know, that's

725
00:40:37,240 --> 00:40:40,280
what that was.
And they just realized how bad

726
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,360
they fucked up that's what that
was.

727
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:46,560
But yeah, Hank Grogan, most
useless character in the whole

728
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:51,720
show.
Like what?

729
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:56,680
And and the whole reason that
Willie and his family are even

730
00:40:56,680 --> 00:41:01,480
in the crosshairs is because
Charlotte trying to help you

731
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,240
'cause she got, she got to be on
her crusade.

732
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,720
Bitch, get your child and get
the fuck out of town.

733
00:41:10,240 --> 00:41:14,520
Yeah, I wouldn't, But that's
neither here nor there.

734
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:20,280
It's what's done is done.
But I'm I'm, I'm Charlotte, I'm

735
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:22,280
OK with because Charlotte may
not know how to use the gun.

736
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:23,840
They just gave her the gun for
it.

737
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,520
Again, trial and error.
At this point, that thing is

738
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:26,800
going.
Out.

739
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,280
No, because no, no, no because
you could shoot people.

740
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:35,080
You don't need to shoot, so I
don't need to shoot, she made.

741
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:40,800
So we take my chances.
Because I don't shoot anybody

742
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:42,640
else.
At least it's not my child.

743
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:47,600
No collateral damage.
It it it was, it was just for

744
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,480
the cameras.
However, we don't want her to

745
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,720
shoot because this is not the
time to learn, OK?

746
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,640
Not the time to learn.
Because when we learn, we going

747
00:41:56,640 --> 00:42:00,920
to shoot some other people.
I just think they could have

748
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,680
done a lot more damage before
they waited for this fucker to

749
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:07,960
turn into a flying bat monster
and then decided to shoot.

750
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:09,880
Like y'all could have shot you
my little grass.

751
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,720
Y'all waited till he was up in
the air and now you want to

752
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,320
freely shoot?
I mean that's why.

753
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:18,280
That's why Hank Rogan took the
shot.

754
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:22,320
Once he saw that he was like oh
shit yes yes that's what you

755
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,920
should have been saying 5
minutes ago when this thing was

756
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:28,840
on the ground and Leo shot his
head off and the head grew back.

757
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,240
That's what you should have been
saying, man.

758
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:35,680
It was a lot of delays
happening.

759
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,920
Listen, and, and I understand
they had, they had to give us

760
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,920
that time to give the kids time
to fight with this dagger so

761
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,320
they could try to put it in.
But still it was like, oh, Hank,

762
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:49,200
Hank Grogan.
I was like, dude, you just, you

763
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:52,600
are just you are in the way at
this point.

764
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,720
You are dead weight.
You are dead weight.

765
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:03,080
He got on my nerves so bad.
Wow, got on my nerves so bad.

766
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:05,400
Wow.
Tell me how you really feel.

767
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:06,600
Alright.
Yeah.

768
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,000
I totally agree with you because
he was useless.

769
00:43:09,240 --> 00:43:12,440
He was useless.
I, I mean, she can't even come

770
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:14,360
out of this and say I was proud
of you, Daddy.

771
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:18,400
She had my balls for sure.
She does, she does.

772
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,400
She the one who saved his life.
So.

773
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:23,560
OK, so.
Yeah.

774
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,200
Yeah, he was better off staying
at the house.

775
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:33,080
Right, because he.
Couldn't even go he couldn't

776
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,760
even go with the other men to
secure.

777
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:41,280
He could even go with them.
He stayed in the trip.

778
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,440
But you're going to do the truck
I.

779
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:47,840
Mean it's happening aside.
I'm assuming Leroy, you know,

780
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,240
went with Taniel because
obviously Taniel knew what to do

781
00:43:50,240 --> 00:43:52,200
with the thing and then he was
going to protect them as a

782
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:55,280
soldier and Hank was left behind
to protect the womenfolk.

783
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,440
But I feel like that was kind of
a wasted.

784
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,720
Take them from because at that
point they didn't know.

785
00:44:00,720 --> 00:44:03,040
They didn't know that the
military is coming.

786
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:04,520
Yeah, well, that's what I'm
saying.

787
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:05,360
It's true, too.
Yeah.

788
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,120
Leroy was helping because he
said The thing is going to want

789
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,800
to not go where it's supposed to
so we can work together.

790
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,880
So it would be great to have a
third man there so you protect

791
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,600
the women from Pennywise.
But no, because here's the

792
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:18,600
thing, Leroy doesn't have the
fear.

793
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,520
And he knows Tanya is going to
do what he needs to do because

794
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:24,480
that's his, that's his familial
duty, right?

795
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:29,440
No, but he did say because it's
going to want to not go where it

796
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,400
needs to go.
You do need additional help.

797
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:34,680
Not if you got to babysit the
additional.

798
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,880
Help.
I'm just saying why Leroy went

799
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,360
now, why they left.
They should have let Hank come.

800
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:45,520
They let him stay behind because
because I would have shot him

801
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:49,040
anyway, he would have been dead.
From his weights, he was dead

802
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:50,960
weight he would.
He would have got shot

803
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,800
immediately anyway, so it's.
Oh, the Hank slander.

804
00:44:54,760 --> 00:45:01,520
I mean, dead weights.
Yeah, it's the truth.

805
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:06,480
Yeah, poor Tanya bro.
In rows that's.

806
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:10,160
That scream.
Oh, oh, man.

807
00:45:10,720 --> 00:45:16,960
I felt like I felt like watching
Amos Diggory in the goblin fire.

808
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:20,320
Yeah, that it it toward me that
same way.

809
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:26,880
But going back to the kids.
So again, you got the girls.

810
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:31,200
They have the dagger.
And what has happened is

811
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:36,520
Pennywise has decided that he's
going to try to get out of the

812
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:39,320
cage.
And there's only one point that

813
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:41,800
he can go to.
There's a there's a tree that's

814
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:46,520
on the other side of the river,
and it's the farthest spot that

815
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,400
the other artifacts their power
reaches.

816
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:54,040
So if he gets past that tree,
the the world is an oyster to

817
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:55,760
him.
He can go wherever.

818
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:58,880
So what they're trying to do is
take the dagger to that

819
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:03,360
particular tree, or at least
that's what the adults know that

820
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:05,160
they need to do.
The kids don't know that they

821
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:07,680
need to do this yet.
They just know they have a

822
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,360
dagger he's afraid of and they
need to go find Will.

823
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:15,040
So they look across the river,
which is frozen because of the

824
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:20,200
mist and and Pennywise, and all
you see is floating bodies over

825
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:24,400
the river.
They're traveling all you can

826
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:29,000
eat buffet.
Listen, so they run and they're

827
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,920
trying to find Will, and of
course Will is at the very front

828
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,480
of the line because he was the
first one that he took.

829
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:38,680
And the part where they were
trying to get to Will, they were

830
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:40,560
like trying to get him down and
they start jumping.

831
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:44,320
I was like, and I'm like if you
going to do that, hit him with

832
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,120
the dagger or something like
what are y'all doing?

833
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:48,600
I was looking.
I said this looks so comical

834
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:50,080
right now.
I know something fucked up is

835
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:53,320
about to happen.
I was like, y'all trying to make

836
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:56,520
us laugh before some shit really
hits the fan.

837
00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:00,280
And then here comes Pennywise
out of the thing and he's

838
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,920
talking to them.
He was like the fool, the freak

839
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:06,720
and the what?
The failure and the failure, but

840
00:47:06,720 --> 00:47:08,600
which is which?
It doesn't matter.

841
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:11,240
There's room for you all.
He gets ready to come at them

842
00:47:11,240 --> 00:47:14,560
and Ronnie, who has the dagger,
she holds it at him and he does

843
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:17,880
this little thing where he goes
back and he leaves.

844
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,280
And I was like, OK, they got
some time.

845
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:24,160
This Joker stars running around
them, scared.

846
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:27,840
I was like, you know what?
I paused my TVI said.

847
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:32,280
I thought I was going to be free
from the run for one episode,

848
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:36,360
just one.
And this was worse because you

849
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:38,800
couldn't see what direction he
was coming from.

850
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:40,720
Yeah.
So there was no build up.

851
00:47:40,720 --> 00:47:42,520
It's just they're facing this
way.

852
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:45,960
He comes behind them.
And I don't know if because of

853
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:48,120
the dagger, he couldn't actually
touch them.

854
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:51,760
But I mean, just what he was
doing was scary enough.

855
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:57,560
Yeah.
Then he grabs Marge by the ankle

856
00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:01,440
and he pulls her into the fog.
I thought Marge was done.

857
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:05,960
Yeah, but that's when we find
out some interesting

858
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,200
information.
Yes, we did.

859
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,920
All the theories panned out.
They did.

860
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:15,080
Because what?
What does he say to her?

861
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:17,800
He tells her he's always
wondered how you would taste

862
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:22,240
Margaret Tozier.
And she's backing up.

863
00:48:22,240 --> 00:48:25,480
And then all of a sudden she
stopped like the hell.

864
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:31,960
And he was like, not yet, but in
the future he was like, first

865
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:35,640
comes marriage, then comes wait,
first come love, then comes

866
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:37,680
marriage, then comes Richie in
the baby carriage.

867
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:42,560
And he has one of the missing
posters for future Richie, Finn

868
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:46,960
Wolfheart's character.
And she's looking at him like,

869
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:50,480
the hell are you talking about?
And he was like, Oh yeah, your

870
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:54,440
your son and his friends.
They kill me in the future.

871
00:48:55,080 --> 00:49:00,120
Or is it, or, or.
I don't really know, he said.

872
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:02,960
You know, my death is my, my
death is my birth.

873
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:10,280
Because apparently Penny Wise's
lifespan does not move in the

874
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:13,600
same way that ours does.
It's linear.

875
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:20,840
So he can, from what I gather,
it's like he can exist in

876
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:26,360
various points of time and
because he remembers everything

877
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:30,560
that happens up until then, it's
like I think that's part of his

878
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:34,520
ability instead of it just being
him, him being psychic like he.

879
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:37,720
Said.
It's more like, it's more like

880
00:49:37,720 --> 00:49:40,560
he's everywhere.
He's every, He's everywhere all

881
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:48,240
at once.
It's not from, it's not from

882
00:49:48,240 --> 00:49:50,640
this universe, it's from a
different reality.

883
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:52,440
It's not even a different
reality.

884
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:54,320
It's just from a different plane
of existence.

885
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:59,040
So it perceives everything
differently than we do.

886
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:01,960
Right.
So yesterday, today and tomorrow

887
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:03,840
is all the same.
Right.

888
00:50:04,720 --> 00:50:08,160
And I thought about it when he
said when he said my death is my

889
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:12,920
birth, I think he meant that in
a lot of different ways because

890
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:16,120
he's not only talking about him
as the entity, like when they

891
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:20,400
kill him, I don't know, when
they kill him in 1989, maybe he

892
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:23,760
goes back and and starts the
cycle all over again.

893
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:26,840
Like we figure out here what
he's trying to do is he's

894
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:30,320
actually trying to kill them so
that those kids don't exist.

895
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:32,440
Or at least he says this to
March.

896
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:35,360
I would think that he would try
to do that with the others too,

897
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:42,920
because it's it's Will's
descendant, Marge's child, which

898
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:47,320
is, you know.
See what?

899
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:50,760
What it doesn't really
comprehend is it doesn't

900
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:54,640
understand that it probably
created his own death.

901
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:58,240
That's what I was thinking too.
Because you know.

902
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:02,880
Because you just told her that
her son kills you, But what is

903
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:06,400
she going to do when she meets a
few a future, you know, guy

904
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:10,280
named somebody told you she's is
it is it that she fell in love

905
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:13,720
with him and then had the child?
Or is she now going to fall in

906
00:51:13,720 --> 00:51:16,080
love with him because you told
her about the child?

907
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:20,520
It's Terminator all over.
All over you because it's

908
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:23,040
starting to create the things
that kill it.

909
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:26,160
She's not going to remember,
that's the thing, too.

910
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:27,760
I think she does.
She's not going to remember.

911
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:31,320
She's not going to remember.
Yeah, but then it opens it up

912
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:38,200
for what she said to Lily.
So is he going to move towards

913
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:41,280
the past which have?
Given us ourselves.

914
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:45,040
Which is what he's, which is
Chapter 2 is.

915
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:51,600
So then then it just explains
how explains pot plot holes.

916
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:55,240
But it does explain like, oh, he
was so like delicate with the

917
00:51:55,240 --> 00:51:59,440
losers club.
No, like he if he did start

918
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:03,240
traveling back, he is now a
little bit more like I got to

919
00:52:03,240 --> 00:52:06,440
get this shit under control.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

920
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:09,760
So he a little bit more fierce.
And then that means next season

921
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:11,440
he's gonna be.
Horrible.

922
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:13,400
Horrible.
I can't wait.

923
00:52:13,720 --> 00:52:15,240
Horrible.
Yeah.

924
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:17,040
Netflix, don't you ruin this
class.

925
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:25,320
But yeah, when when he started
saying that, I was like, you do

926
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:29,240
realize you literally just kind
of sort of gave her the tools to

927
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:31,680
make sure that your ass dies in
the future.

928
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:38,000
But also his whole my death is
my death is my my birth.

929
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:43,280
That can also go for Bob Gray,
because when Bob Gray died, he

930
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:49,280
became this version of himself,
you know, and I I don't know, it

931
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:55,280
was just when he said that I was
like, OK, it kind of sort of

932
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:58,400
makes sense that he would try to
go back and, you know, you're

933
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:02,440
you're singling out Marge again.
Probably why he never paid

934
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:06,320
attention to Richie really,
because Richie pose no threat to

935
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:09,840
him in the future, except for
the fact that Marge names her

936
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:14,480
son after him.
But Will and, and I think this

937
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:18,080
is the thing that really kind of
confused me because again,

938
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:22,160
Will's descendant also is, is
part of this thing.

939
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:25,120
Will's future son is a part of
this.

940
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:29,520
So why would you not treat Will
with the same hostility?

941
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:35,440
Because, and especially,
especially because Mike is the

942
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:38,400
one who stays in town.
He's the one who records

943
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:40,880
everything.
He's the one who brings the

944
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:43,440
losers back when they've left
and forgotten.

945
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:46,000
He's the one that sends them
letters in the phone calls and

946
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:48,560
say, hey, it's back.
And that's what jogs their

947
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:52,560
memories.
You would think Will would be

948
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:54,560
his primary target, but he had
Will in.

949
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:58,120
The game right but that is your
primary.

950
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:01,120
He was the first kid but he's
talking.

951
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:04,440
But see Marge.
Marge is supposed to be up there

952
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:07,200
too, but Marge run around with
his damn dagger.

953
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:11,000
OK so now I'm pissed off because
Will is the first meal he going

954
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:13,000
to eat when he do his pit stop
at OK?

955
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:15,920
But see, that was my thing
because I was like, if I felt

956
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:20,640
like Will pose that much of A
threat to me and my future

957
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:24,000
existence, Will would have been
down in the sewers with Teddy,

958
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:27,880
Phil and Susie.
There would have been no no

959
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:36,200
opportunity for him to even.
Well, you can't think like you

960
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:38,720
can't use the way we think.
I know, I know.

961
00:54:39,720 --> 00:54:43,720
So because it's experiencing
everything all at the same time.

962
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:49,320
So yeah, Mike may not have
really been a threat until he

963
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:53,120
was a threat, but then it's not
thinking about Mike right now

964
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:55,360
because Marge is in front of
him.

965
00:54:55,720 --> 00:54:58,800
So it's got Marge on his mind,
you know what I'm saying?

966
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:02,400
So it's it's.
It even says it's confused.

967
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:05,160
Yeah, you know.
And he I don't think he was

968
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:07,600
going to, he was planning to
kill them right then.

969
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:10,160
If they had not had the dagger,
he just would have dead lighted

970
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:12,400
them with the rest.
Of right, And that's why Will

971
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:16,120
was his first one.
So they were all all on his

972
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:20,080
list.
He went to Will first, not Mars.

973
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:22,000
Will Will's mouse.
And.

974
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:27,120
I don't even think, and I don't
even think you had a plan to do

975
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:30,200
any of that.
It's just all sort of happening

976
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:34,360
in his mind at the same time.
Like, oh, wait a second, all

977
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:37,800
these things are connected
because it's all these things

978
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:41,160
simultaneously.
But like I said, it's still

979
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:46,640
confused because where it's
from, it doesn't have a concept

980
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:50,520
of time, it doesn't have a
concept of really life.

981
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:55,640
It's it just exists.
And here it's kind of forced

982
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:58,720
into our way of thinking and
it's confusing.

983
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:02,240
Yeah.
We think for it so.

984
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:04,880
I mean it's.
Confusing.

985
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:07,720
It's not going to think what?
Yeah, it's it's probably not

986
00:56:07,720 --> 00:56:12,120
going to know really why it took
Will first, but at some point it

987
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:16,200
might look at William be like,
oh, wait a second, it's Mike's

988
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:19,520
father.
Then also who?

989
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:23,840
How do we not know that that's
not what it was doing when the

990
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:28,120
fire that killed Mike and Will
and his mother, Will and Mike's

991
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:33,320
mother in the later, you know,
in this verse, How do we know it

992
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:36,760
wasn't a part of that?
You just didn't realize Mike was

993
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:41,520
already born because he doesn't
conceive time the way we do.

994
00:56:41,720 --> 00:56:45,920
Yeah, yeah.
Because his smile will could

995
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:49,080
already be dead, and this is a
different will.

996
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:51,000
It's all.
Complete.

997
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:57,600
Yeah, OK, I get it, I get it.
But just as he's about to eat

998
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:03,920
Marge, he stops again with the
teeth out and just frozen.

999
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:10,280
And the reason why is because
back at the van, when everything

1000
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:19,000
happens, Leroy gives Dick this,
you know, this idea.

1001
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:22,440
He was like, look, we can buy.
We can buy some time.

1002
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:25,640
Dick got in his head before he
can do it again.

1003
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:29,360
So this is what Dick has done
right at the right moment.

1004
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:33,560
And I love that, Marge, she saw
that he froze.

1005
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:36,600
She didn't even hesitate.
She was like, oh, he's frozen.

1006
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:40,120
OK, let me get the hell on.
She didn't stand there to be

1007
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:42,240
like, what happened?
Why is he?

1008
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:44,600
She was like, you know what,
we'll figure that out later.

1009
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:51,840
Let me go.
And while he's in Pennywise, his

1010
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:58,480
head, he he basically puts an
image there of them finding Bob

1011
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:04,880
Gray after he disappeared.
So it's it's the carnie person.

1012
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:08,280
It's angered as a little girl.
It's all the other people.

1013
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:09,720
They're like, Bob, where were
you?

1014
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:12,120
What happened?
You got to lay off the drink.

1015
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:14,800
We found you laying in a ditch
and Pennywise is sitting there

1016
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:18,320
like the fuck is this?
I ain't Bob Gray.

1017
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:22,320
I was laughing.
I saw somebody said on Twitter

1018
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:24,760
they had a gist of him looking
like this.

1019
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:27,680
They said Pennywise thinking he
was human for a minute.

1020
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:33,360
Like what the fuck?
Just he's like, what kind of

1021
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:35,680
reality is this?
This is not my reality.

1022
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:39,800
I'm not Bob Gray.
And the guy, like slaps him and

1023
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:42,280
he's just like, what is going
on?

1024
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:52,440
Here come the military, 'cause
they want the dagger, they want

1025
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:54,640
Halloran.
Because of course, Leroy and

1026
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:59,960
Halloran went AWOL.
So they, like I said, they've

1027
00:58:59,960 --> 00:59:04,360
shot Leroy, they shot Taniel.
They go to get Dick out of the

1028
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:07,560
van and they're they're like
jostling him, trying to wake him

1029
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:09,280
up.
And of course, this messes with

1030
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:12,760
the vision that Dick has put
into Pennywise, his head.

1031
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:17,400
When the Carney, who is a white
man, falls down and tries to

1032
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:19,800
balance himself and he has that
black hand.

1033
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:25,240
I was like, this is about to be
ugly.

1034
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:27,560
I really thought he was going to
try to kill Dick.

1035
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:30,800
Nah, he was just mad.
He kicked him out his mind.

1036
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:34,080
I was like, you know what, It
was good while he lasted and

1037
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:37,440
Dick could have stayed in that
just a little bit longer, I

1038
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:39,440
think.
It could have been OK.

1039
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:43,040
It could have been OK, I think,
if he'd have been able to stay

1040
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:44,400
in there for a little bit
longer.

1041
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:46,480
But now the military had to
come.

1042
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:49,240
In that God damn general, let me
tell you.

1043
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:56,000
Oh, and then while he has his
men, you know, securing the

1044
00:59:56,040 --> 01:00:00,360
others getting Dick, he happens
to look across the river and he

1045
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:04,480
sees the frozen Pennywise.
He starts walking over there.

1046
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:06,760
I said, you know what?
I said you about to die painful

1047
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:09,880
death and I don't even care.
I don't even care.

1048
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:14,200
He goes over and he starts
talking to Pennywise like he is

1049
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:17,840
I don't know.
It was kind of like almost like

1050
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:20,960
Ingrid in a way.
He was just like, Oh my God.

1051
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:25,240
Wondering all these years if you
were real or if you were just a

1052
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:27,160
little boy's nightmare.
And to find out that you're

1053
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:28,720
both.
Oh my God.

1054
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:31,800
He was like, whatever they did
to you, we're going to undo it.

1055
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:38,240
I was like, if you could hear
how stupid you sound right now.

1056
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:43,720
And then when they kick, when
Pennywise kicked Dick out of his

1057
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:48,520
mind and he comes out of it, he
looks at the general in general

1058
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:51,800
was like, hey, you can go,
you're free to go.

1059
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:57,800
And he's looking at the general
like, huh, Yeah, you're free to

1060
01:00:57,800 --> 01:00:59,760
go.
OK.

1061
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:02,560
He he sniffs someone time and he
walks off.

1062
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:05,640
And then he's he's like, you
know how you get a you know how

1063
01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:08,280
you get a scent in your nose and
you can't get that sent out?

1064
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:12,320
That's how he was walking
because he took the sniff and

1065
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:19,200
out while he's walking, he's
like, he was like, he's like, I

1066
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:21,240
know you.
I never forget a smell.

1067
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:23,560
At that moment, you should have
started running.

1068
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:26,920
But you can't be like, what?
What are you talking about?

1069
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:30,160
Like I just freed you.
Why you can't bother me.

1070
01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:31,800
And then he tried to buck up at
Pit.

1071
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:37,640
Let me tell you, when he bucked
up at Pennywise, I was like,

1072
01:01:37,640 --> 01:01:40,240
it's all over it.
I couldn't even get the thought

1073
01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:42,760
out my mouth.
I said always.

1074
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:45,960
I was like, you know what?
Couldn't have happened to a

1075
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:49,160
nicer guy.
Yeah, and that just gives you

1076
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:55,280
that that that that arrogance
that he thought he could control

1077
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:59,480
and and otherworldly being that
had him in such a he had you

1078
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:02,000
right to the forest losing your
mind as a child.

1079
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:06,640
And you guys told you that the
whole tribe is watching this

1080
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:10,920
area so that it and you still
thought with Jersey risk that

1081
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:12,680
you were going to be able to
control this thing.

1082
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:17,480
And you still.
Scared and you still scared at

1083
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:20,080
70 some years old.
Yeah, because when he changed

1084
01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:23,600
that face, he was.
Yeah, and that's crazy that

1085
01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:25,480
that's what scared him more than
anything.

1086
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:28,680
It was what scared him as a
child that still got your mind

1087
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:30,960
like that, bro.
Yeah, You, you, you.

1088
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:35,440
Well, also because you got to
remember he forgot about it for

1089
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:37,520
45 years.
Yeah.

1090
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:44,000
So to hear like, stuff came back
more as he got more in depth

1091
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:47,360
into the yeah.
But it it's it's one of those

1092
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:51,720
things where he probably wrote
it off like, oh, OK, yeah, that

1093
01:02:51,720 --> 01:02:53,720
was a nightmare.
But I was a child when I had it.

1094
01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:56,160
But you know what?
The last time you saw that face,

1095
01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:58,800
you were a child.
So the the minute you are

1096
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:03,720
confronted with that same face,
your whole psyche just reverted

1097
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:06,080
back to being 12 years.
Yeah.

1098
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:11,280
And then you tried to change it
too late because he already

1099
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:13,080
smelled the fear on you.
At that point.

1100
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:19,120
You went back to 12 year old you
and he smelled 12 year old you.

1101
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:26,680
And it must have tasted real
good, because he didn't waste no

1102
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:27,920
time.
Right.

1103
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:35,160
I was like.
Hey, finally he's dead.

1104
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:37,640
Yeah, like I said, couldn't have
happened.

1105
01:03:41,120 --> 01:03:44,040
But then we get to the the
really intense part because of

1106
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:47,560
of course, Leroy has been shot,
Taniel has been killed.

1107
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:53,120
And Will runs to his father.
And Leroy tells him, hey, you

1108
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:56,160
got to take this dagger.
You got to take it to the tree.

1109
01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:58,760
You got to bury it and and we
can cage this thing.

1110
01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:03,320
It'll be over and he finally
gives Will the pep talk he

1111
01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:05,520
should have gave him a long time
ago.

1112
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:09,680
Because Will was like, I don't
want to do this, I'm scared and

1113
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:12,200
I'm not like you.
And he was like, I don't want

1114
01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:14,880
you to be like me because I'm
sorry.

1115
01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:18,760
Him being like Leroy probably
wouldn't have worked out for

1116
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:22,880
none of this.
It wouldn't it will had to be

1117
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:24,560
who he was.
He had to care about his

1118
01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:26,440
friends.
He had to be like, no, I'm

1119
01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:29,640
standing, I'm standing my on my,
you know, I'm what it what is

1120
01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:31,400
the phrase they say?
I'm standing on business.

1121
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:34,040
I'm going to go help my friends,
regardless of what you say,

1122
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:35,840
regardless of how dangerous it
is.

1123
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:39,760
I'm not going to let them down.
I'm not going to just leave them

1124
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:43,960
to their own devices, you know,
and that's kind of what's LED

1125
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:47,200
them to this point.
So he's like, OK, I need you to

1126
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:49,960
go take this dagger.
Got to do it before the military

1127
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:51,440
cause the military is on their
way.

1128
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:56,720
So him and the girls, they go,
they try to take the dagger like

1129
01:04:56,720 --> 01:05:01,080
we said earlier, as they get
closer to the stump, the dagger

1130
01:05:01,080 --> 01:05:04,240
is like, Nope.
And will literally is like, he

1131
01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:07,920
stops.
He doesn't about facing, starts

1132
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:08,880
going.
I got to take it.

1133
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:11,600
It wants to go home.
And the girls are sitting there

1134
01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:15,640
fighting with him, trying to get
him to let go of the dagger.

1135
01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:18,400
They're like, let us help you.
We got to get this done.

1136
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:22,320
We got to get this done.
They finally get it turned

1137
01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:25,480
around and they are like, this
thing is fighting.

1138
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:29,520
They're having a hard time
trying to get it to the tree.

1139
01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:37,320
In the meanwhile, Pennywise, who
has just had his meal, I'm

1140
01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:40,880
skipping through the fog on the
ice.

1141
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:45,360
And when I say I saw the the
behind the scenes of them

1142
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:51,000
filming this particular sequence
and he's skipping normally.

1143
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:54,480
But the way that they slowed it
down for this, for this

1144
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:58,800
particular scene, it was like
one of the best.

1145
01:05:59,960 --> 01:06:05,360
I don't even it was so good, but
it was also so creepy because

1146
01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:09,000
like Anthony said, his neck, his
head is not moving.

1147
01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:12,600
He's just doing this.
And then when you look at his

1148
01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:16,000
feet, he's literally skipping
like we skipped his children.

1149
01:06:16,520 --> 01:06:17,600
I see.
Don't know what.

1150
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:20,840
Again, that was one of those
parts where I was like, I know

1151
01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:23,760
I'm supposed to be scared right
now that this shit is funny as

1152
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:27,080
hell.
It was so funny.

1153
01:06:27,080 --> 01:06:28,960
It is.
Especially because he's so he's

1154
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:30,880
so tall too.
Yeah.

1155
01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:37,440
Blankie and just.
And and he just he looked I'm

1156
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:41,800
sure he had a good time filming
this because it looked like he

1157
01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:44,240
was having a good time, even
just as Penny wise.

1158
01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:48,840
Penny wise was like, OK, I just
had a snack That's been seasoned

1159
01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:50,400
for a while.
It's been simmering.

1160
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:55,760
It was sitting in the crock pot
for 45 years now.

1161
01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:58,080
I'm about to go have some fresh
children.

1162
01:06:58,200 --> 01:07:01,120
I'm a get rid of the, I'm a, you
know, get rid of this dagger.

1163
01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:04,240
I'm a go out into the world and
just have me a feast.

1164
01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:08,080
He's really about to do this.
So the kids are trying to get to

1165
01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:10,320
the tree.
They see him skipping.

1166
01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:13,560
The adults see him skipping.
Like I said, Leroy and them,

1167
01:07:14,040 --> 01:07:16,600
they fight the military people.
They catch them unawares.

1168
01:07:16,600 --> 01:07:20,960
They get their guns.
So as Pennywise approaches the

1169
01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:23,880
kids and say he says something
smart to them.

1170
01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:28,240
He was like, you lose losers or
something like that.

1171
01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:32,680
All of a sudden you see his head
get shot off and you see like

1172
01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:39,800
the wisps of whatever his being
is in the in the fog because

1173
01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:42,360
Leroy shot him.
He falls to the ground.

1174
01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:46,160
His head repopulates as one of
the bouncy heads.

1175
01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:47,880
I was like, you know what?
I'm not.

1176
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:49,840
Jack-in-the-box.
That bad.

1177
01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:52,400
I was like, I'm not going to get
through this thing because I

1178
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:57,000
was, I was crackling up to.
Wait a minute, but he also he

1179
01:07:57,000 --> 01:08:00,640
also dancing while he running
because when he gets to that.

1180
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:05,920
He doing that with that hand, he
was just, he was having a

1181
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:07,200
little, he was having a good
time.

1182
01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:09,000
Like, oh, they're not going to
stop me.

1183
01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:12,080
I got this.
I'm about I'm about to get them

1184
01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:14,680
and I'm going to kill all of
them and blah, blah, blah, blah,

1185
01:08:14,680 --> 01:08:17,000
blah.
Even looking at the adults.

1186
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:19,200
Like y'all can't do nothing.
Right.

1187
01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:24,439
So Leroy shoots his head once,
twice, and then he gets ready to

1188
01:08:24,439 --> 01:08:27,640
shoot him a third time, and
there's nothing left in the gun.

1189
01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:30,760
Now, this is the point where
Hank Grogan could have made.

1190
01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:33,479
He could have redeemed himself
in my eyes.

1191
01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:35,680
He couldn't even do.
He couldn't even help.

1192
01:08:36,040 --> 01:08:38,920
He couldn't help Charlotte
sitting there screaming for

1193
01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:39,800
Leroy.
Leroy.

1194
01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:44,359
Because once Pennywise realizes
there's no bullets in the gun,

1195
01:08:45,399 --> 01:08:49,439
he keeps his head open and dead
lights Leroy.

1196
01:08:49,439 --> 01:08:51,720
So Leroy is over there, dead
lights.

1197
01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:56,240
Here comes Charlotte running to
him without the she dropped the

1198
01:08:56,240 --> 01:09:01,080
gun.
She she not military.

1199
01:09:01,080 --> 01:09:04,240
She you know.
I guess but my child is over

1200
01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:07,399
there struggling.
I I OK anyway.

1201
01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:09,880
We just said we from a different
time.

1202
01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:12,160
We very militant about our
thinking.

1203
01:09:12,160 --> 01:09:15,120
We had enough sci-fi to help us.
Learn.

1204
01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:17,200
I know.
So here he comes.

1205
01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:22,080
He's he's crawling.
The kids are at the tree stump

1206
01:09:22,359 --> 01:09:26,880
and they get it almost to the to
the to where they can put it in

1207
01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:29,439
the ground and it starts
reversing.

1208
01:09:29,439 --> 01:09:31,359
It is fighting.
It is fighting.

1209
01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:36,279
Now I'm going to tell you at
that point, I literally said out

1210
01:09:36,279 --> 01:09:40,040
loud, I was like, now would be a
good time for Rich to show up.

1211
01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:43,120
I wasn't expecting him to
actually do that.

1212
01:09:43,399 --> 01:09:46,720
I was just like, now would be a
good time for Rich to show up.

1213
01:09:48,399 --> 01:09:54,080
They go back to where Rose and
Hank are standing and and Dick

1214
01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:58,560
and Rose feels something.
She turns, Dick feels something

1215
01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:02,240
and he turns.
Now I think Rose saw her

1216
01:10:02,240 --> 01:10:05,560
ancestor and that's the only
thing she saw because she has a

1217
01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:07,160
she has a family connection
there.

1218
01:10:08,160 --> 01:10:12,600
That's all you see at 1st.
And I was like, how is Dick

1219
01:10:12,600 --> 01:10:15,520
seeing this?
Because she took the ability to

1220
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:17,240
see the dead things away from
him.

1221
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:20,160
But I think it's because she was
helping him and not trying to

1222
01:10:20,160 --> 01:10:22,160
harm him that he was able to see
her.

1223
01:10:22,760 --> 01:10:25,520
I think she took away the scary
things because what was it that

1224
01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:27,920
she said?
She said all things.

1225
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:32,400
All things from his world are
not well that have that same

1226
01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:36,040
kind of magic are not evil.
And I think that's what she was

1227
01:10:36,040 --> 01:10:38,840
trying to tell them.
Look, don't block out everything

1228
01:10:39,440 --> 01:10:42,080
on that plane.
Just block out the stuff that

1229
01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:44,080
you that that you don't need to
see.

1230
01:10:44,520 --> 01:10:47,640
So you see her outline with the
wolf's head and everything.

1231
01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:51,280
And I just looked and I
immediately busted into tears

1232
01:10:51,280 --> 01:10:53,160
because I knew what was coming
after that point.

1233
01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:58,720
And you see Rich's little body
come from behind her and he

1234
01:10:58,720 --> 01:11:04,280
takes off running and Dick's
face is like, and Rose was like,

1235
01:11:04,280 --> 01:11:07,040
what do you see?
She was like a motherfuking

1236
01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:10,640
miracle.
And that was boohoo pride girl.

1237
01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:14,800
As soon as I saw a little body
come and say who's outside my.

1238
01:11:15,240 --> 01:11:19,400
God.
And when he starts running, I

1239
01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:22,480
said he just needs to.
I said he needs to run past

1240
01:11:22,480 --> 01:11:23,800
Pennywise and throw him the
fence.

1241
01:11:23,800 --> 01:11:25,960
And literally that's what he
does.

1242
01:11:26,240 --> 01:11:29,320
He runs past me, he looks at him
and I know Pennywise is like,

1243
01:11:29,320 --> 01:11:30,960
where did this motherfucker come
from?

1244
01:11:32,840 --> 01:11:38,280
He should have the chance.
He keeps running, he slides on

1245
01:11:38,280 --> 01:11:42,400
that ice and he grabs the dagger
with his friends.

1246
01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:48,080
Now, the one thing I love about
this episode and Rich, Rich made

1247
01:11:48,080 --> 01:11:52,880
such an impact in this episode,
He never utters a single word.

1248
01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:58,000
Because when that when that
happened, my, my very real fear

1249
01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:02,120
was they're going to do
something to break the spell.

1250
01:12:02,720 --> 01:12:07,280
Like I didn't want it to be some
kind of corny, oh, they see Rich

1251
01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:10,240
as ghosts and they have Alaska.
But I didn't want to do that

1252
01:12:10,240 --> 01:12:14,280
because I feel like the way that
he died was so perfect.

1253
01:12:14,520 --> 01:12:17,720
But it was I didn't want them to
taint that.

1254
01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:25,160
And so the fact that he was able
to help them get the dagger in

1255
01:12:25,160 --> 01:12:28,760
and of course, this this is the
part where Penny wise, when he

1256
01:12:28,760 --> 01:12:32,360
sees what's about to happen, he
starts transforming into this

1257
01:12:32,360 --> 01:12:35,720
big, I don't know, pterodactyl
looking shit.

1258
01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:38,320
I I don't know what that that
form was.

1259
01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:41,240
But even Hank Grogan, I had to
agree with him then because he

1260
01:12:41,240 --> 01:12:45,160
was like, he was like, oh shit,
that's the most realist

1261
01:12:45,160 --> 01:12:50,840
expression I have seen.
Because what was that?

1262
01:12:52,280 --> 01:12:56,120
Yeah, he so he tries to go to go
get rich and I don't, I don't

1263
01:12:56,120 --> 01:12:58,640
know if he was going to be able
to do it or if it would have

1264
01:12:58,640 --> 01:13:01,240
just gone through rich and
gotten to the other kids.

1265
01:13:01,240 --> 01:13:06,440
But perfect timing.
They hit, they hit the ground.

1266
01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:09,360
All hate can say is oh say it,
oh say it.

1267
01:13:11,160 --> 01:13:16,280
The way he said it, though, he
said it like he has some real,

1268
01:13:16,280 --> 01:13:21,160
real fear in that in them bones.
Yeah, he said it like he has

1269
01:13:21,160 --> 01:13:24,840
some real fear in them bones.
Because for him, this is his

1270
01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:26,440
first experience.
Yeah.

1271
01:13:26,440 --> 01:13:29,440
Everybody else have dealt with
that's true.

1272
01:13:29,560 --> 01:13:31,440
Any wise in some form or
fashion?

1273
01:13:31,440 --> 01:13:38,080
Yeah, except for Charlotte.
She hasn't, but she's heard Hank

1274
01:13:38,200 --> 01:13:41,320
really hasn't.
Yeah, dealt with it at all.

1275
01:13:41,440 --> 01:13:45,720
Yeah, yeah.
And, and that that would explain

1276
01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:50,600
Charlotte's because when she saw
him running across the river and

1277
01:13:50,600 --> 01:13:53,640
of course he's this clown and
he's doing a little dance, she

1278
01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:56,160
is looking at him like, what the
fuck is wrong with you?

1279
01:13:57,320 --> 01:13:59,120
Right?
Right.

1280
01:13:59,120 --> 01:14:01,560
Is this?
What I'm seeing with my eyes

1281
01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:03,800
right now.
Is this really what my dude is

1282
01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:07,240
doing right?
But what's interesting is

1283
01:14:07,240 --> 01:14:12,120
everyone has that opinion about
Hank though because I have

1284
01:14:12,120 --> 01:14:14,880
someone who said the spirit of
Rich had to come down to be a

1285
01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:19,160
miracle and save his friends.
But there's Hank Null and boy

1286
01:14:19,160 --> 01:14:23,760
self screaming in fear.
He couldn't do nothing to save

1287
01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:26,800
his Ronnie on ice they said.
But if Ingrid was across the

1288
01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:29,200
ice, maybe he'll become a figure
skater and help her.

1289
01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:34,440
Wow, wow.
I mean, to be fair, he didn't.

1290
01:14:34,440 --> 01:14:35,800
Do nothing.
He didn't.

1291
01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:38,360
He did not help.
Was not helpful.

1292
01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:41,960
He was not helpful.
That is true.

1293
01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:47,920
I'm sorry, he wasn't he.
He the Hank.

1294
01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:51,800
Slam and it's sad because like
we talked about, like a lot of

1295
01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:54,160
this drama, a lot of this
connection is because of you,

1296
01:14:54,160 --> 01:14:57,680
Sir.
Redeem yourself.

1297
01:14:59,400 --> 01:14:59,880
Right.
Right.

1298
01:14:59,920 --> 01:15:02,800
Everyone is trying to save you.
Take care of you.

1299
01:15:03,440 --> 01:15:06,360
Yeah, yeah.
We're trying to grow a pair.

1300
01:15:06,360 --> 01:15:08,880
With the the gun, Charlotte
didn't need to know how to shoot

1301
01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:12,960
the gun, but damn it, you do.
Yeah, yeah.

1302
01:15:14,120 --> 01:15:19,200
But you know, I wonder if he
ever found out what happened

1303
01:15:19,200 --> 01:15:23,880
with Ingrid.
Like did he just think that she

1304
01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:27,520
abandoned him?
Did he find out that she was at

1305
01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:29,360
the Black Spot?
Like, I don't know.

1306
01:15:29,640 --> 01:15:32,800
Because when she, when she was
being wheeled away and she

1307
01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:36,480
looked at the kids, the three
kids that she looked at, Ronnie,

1308
01:15:36,640 --> 01:15:41,160
Will and Marge, they don't know
who she is and they don't know

1309
01:15:41,160 --> 01:15:44,320
if her connection to Lily
because Lily knows her because

1310
01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:50,560
of Jennifer Hill.
So without any of them knowing

1311
01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:55,240
about those connections, there
will be no reason for them to

1312
01:15:55,240 --> 01:15:57,640
make those connections.
You know what I'm saying?

1313
01:15:57,640 --> 01:16:03,560
So I'm wondering, did he ever
figure out like did he ever hear

1314
01:16:03,560 --> 01:16:06,080
what happened to Ingrid?
Or was it just to the point

1315
01:16:06,080 --> 01:16:07,680
where he was like, you know
what, I'm done with this town,

1316
01:16:07,680 --> 01:16:10,040
I'm done.
You know, if I hadn't been

1317
01:16:10,040 --> 01:16:13,360
fucking around with her in the
1st place, none of this would be

1318
01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:14,760
having.
Maybe that's his thing.

1319
01:16:14,760 --> 01:16:16,800
He was just like, you know what,
I'm just going to put her in my

1320
01:16:16,800 --> 01:16:23,680
rear view mirror and go because.
It didn't leave you with nothing

1321
01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:26,960
but being locked up on your way
to Shawshank so.

1322
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:32,400
Right, right.
And then almost being burned

1323
01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:36,240
alive, which was also her fault.
But of course, he doesn't know

1324
01:16:36,240 --> 01:16:38,840
that.
But, you know, that was also her

1325
01:16:38,840 --> 01:16:44,840
fault.
So yeah, but they put the dagger

1326
01:16:44,840 --> 01:16:49,240
in Pennywise gets banished to
back to his spot, I guess for

1327
01:16:49,240 --> 01:16:54,240
the next 27 years.
And then the next thing we see

1328
01:16:54,240 --> 01:17:00,400
is Rich's funeral.
And I'm glad we got that because

1329
01:17:00,400 --> 01:17:02,160
I was like, I need some kind of
closure.

1330
01:17:02,160 --> 01:17:04,760
We couldn't have any closure for
Teddy, Phil, Susie.

1331
01:17:04,760 --> 01:17:08,840
None of them was like, OK, at
least we do get a funeral

1332
01:17:08,840 --> 01:17:12,840
because I can't think of any
funeral that we've had in this

1333
01:17:12,840 --> 01:17:15,240
universe because the kids are
almost never found.

1334
01:17:16,680 --> 01:17:18,560
Because we didn't have one for
Georgie.

1335
01:17:19,240 --> 01:17:20,640
Like they didn't even have his
body.

1336
01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:22,280
His parents were just like he's
gone.

1337
01:17:23,880 --> 01:17:31,520
So I'm glad we got that closure
and just to see him there,

1338
01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:35,400
comforting like the first time
we see him is when Dick shows up

1339
01:17:35,440 --> 01:17:40,400
at the funeral and you see he's
got one hand on Will's shoulder

1340
01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:42,040
and one hand on his dad's
shoulder.

1341
01:17:42,040 --> 01:17:44,800
He's actually leaning his head
on Will's shoulder.

1342
01:17:45,080 --> 01:17:49,160
I was like, y'all got to stop
making me cry.

1343
01:17:49,160 --> 01:17:50,880
Like we're at the end of the
episode.

1344
01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:56,080
I when I say ugly sobbing this
whole episode, if I'd have

1345
01:17:56,080 --> 01:18:01,160
recorded my my reaction, which I
had thought about doing, y'all

1346
01:18:01,160 --> 01:18:04,080
would be looking at that like
something is wrong with this

1347
01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:05,640
girl.
Nobody should have this kind of

1348
01:18:05,640 --> 01:18:08,720
reaction.
So many tears though.

1349
01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:12,280
I was gone.
Will Will was like his best

1350
01:18:12,280 --> 01:18:14,840
friend, yeah.
They were so tight.

1351
01:18:15,240 --> 01:18:19,840
Yeah, and but also think about
it, they didn't know each other

1352
01:18:19,840 --> 01:18:22,160
but a couple of months because
even when Marsh, he's at the

1353
01:18:22,160 --> 01:18:23,720
funeral.
She's.

1354
01:18:24,920 --> 01:18:28,200
Rich for a month.
Which is so crazy because it's

1355
01:18:28,200 --> 01:18:30,560
like the stuff that y'all y'all
been through.

1356
01:18:30,840 --> 01:18:34,240
It's so crazy that like you,
this feels like years and years

1357
01:18:34,240 --> 01:18:38,240
worth of drama and trauma for
them to just go through in a

1358
01:18:38,240 --> 01:18:40,720
couple of months.
Are you serious?

1359
01:18:40,720 --> 01:18:43,720
These poor babies.
Right.

1360
01:18:44,600 --> 01:18:51,000
And she said what was in.
I can't think of think of his

1361
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:53,160
book.
What's George's brother?

1362
01:18:53,560 --> 01:18:54,440
Oh, Bill.
Yeah.

1363
01:18:54,760 --> 01:18:57,680
Bill's book.
Yeah, the last part of his book.

1364
01:18:58,080 --> 01:18:59,880
That's what it is.
Interesting.

1365
01:18:59,880 --> 01:19:02,000
So what came first?
About someone who?

1366
01:19:02,760 --> 01:19:05,080
Built the friends.
People who build their their

1367
01:19:05,080 --> 01:19:07,240
houses in your heart.
Yeah.

1368
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:11,240
So I thought about that too.
I was like, what came first?

1369
01:19:11,440 --> 01:19:14,800
Yeah, yeah.
So that that was interesting,

1370
01:19:14,800 --> 01:19:21,120
but I thought there the cute,
there was a cute little touch

1371
01:19:21,120 --> 01:19:24,120
about it because you know when
she gets, when she speaks at the

1372
01:19:24,120 --> 01:19:29,400
funeral after she's done, she
puts his drumsticks on the

1373
01:19:29,400 --> 01:19:32,680
coffin.
Did you notice that when Rich's

1374
01:19:32,680 --> 01:19:35,200
ghost was running, he still had
his drumsticks?

1375
01:19:35,200 --> 01:19:39,680
In his back pocket.
I was like that, attention to

1376
01:19:39,680 --> 01:19:41,920
detail.
I love it, I love it.

1377
01:19:42,360 --> 01:19:44,320
You know what I just thought
about what?

1378
01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:48,880
Because everybody, you know how
everybody was basically saying

1379
01:19:48,880 --> 01:19:54,320
like they thought that Lily was
Bev's mom or whatever, but what

1380
01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:59,880
if Lily is somebody else's mom
that they didn't focus on in the

1381
01:19:59,880 --> 01:20:01,560
group?
It just popped.

1382
01:20:01,560 --> 01:20:02,600
I don't know.
That's part of my head.

1383
01:20:02,600 --> 01:20:03,520
We were just talking a minute
ago.

1384
01:20:03,520 --> 01:20:05,120
I forgot what we were just
talking about because I'm old

1385
01:20:05,120 --> 01:20:09,760
and I just literally forgot.
I feel like if I was Lily

1386
01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:13,080
Bainbridge, I would get out of
dairy there.

1387
01:20:13,160 --> 01:20:15,240
There is no reason for me to be
in dairy.

1388
01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:18,560
But how's she going to get out?
She unless her Mama leaves, she

1389
01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:20,640
can't go nowhere.
Right, it's a cycle.

1390
01:20:20,680 --> 01:20:23,000
When she's not older, she can
leave.

1391
01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:26,080
But they don't forget.
But they don't forget.

1392
01:20:26,080 --> 01:20:27,840
That's the problem.
They're going to forget.

1393
01:20:28,640 --> 01:20:30,600
As they get older.
The only thing that's going to

1394
01:20:30,600 --> 01:20:34,160
be in there is some things that
you'd be like, oh, that's I

1395
01:20:34,160 --> 01:20:38,080
can't explain.
So like Richie does it says it

1396
01:20:38,600 --> 01:20:41,240
that his mom is overprotective?
Yeah.

1397
01:20:41,760 --> 01:20:45,640
So she remembers something.
Yeah, so she's overprotective of

1398
01:20:45,640 --> 01:20:48,480
him, but she probably could
never explain why she's so

1399
01:20:48,480 --> 01:20:51,040
overprotective of him.
She doesn't remember.

1400
01:20:51,040 --> 01:20:53,400
You got to remember all those
kids that was in in the dead

1401
01:20:53,400 --> 01:20:56,080
lights who fell in the ice and
then they told to go on the

1402
01:20:56,080 --> 01:20:58,400
other side.
Like you should remember that

1403
01:20:58,400 --> 01:21:01,200
later in life that something
happened to you in high school,

1404
01:21:01,480 --> 01:21:05,000
a funny ass clown came to your
school and rid of the principal

1405
01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:08,040
and then you were then you
remember falling on some ice.

1406
01:21:08,080 --> 01:21:09,360
No.
They're not going to.

1407
01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:14,400
Yeah, yeah, that's the sad part.
They're not going to remember.

1408
01:21:15,080 --> 01:21:18,840
And I was just wondering, I was
like, since they were still

1409
01:21:18,840 --> 01:21:24,320
there and since it happened to
them so much, I wondered if

1410
01:21:24,320 --> 01:21:26,560
maybe if they stayed, if they
would remember.

1411
01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:29,360
Because of course Mike
remembers, you know?

1412
01:21:29,400 --> 01:21:32,560
But even he had trouble
sometimes.

1413
01:21:34,080 --> 01:21:37,720
But he has to research and keep
and keep reading.

1414
01:21:38,120 --> 01:21:42,320
But then in the book and y'all
help me book readers because

1415
01:21:42,440 --> 01:21:48,480
actually it was Mike who tells
them all about it is because his

1416
01:21:49,360 --> 01:21:55,560
grandfather had a book of
clippings of research that the

1417
01:21:55,560 --> 01:21:58,080
grandfather did.
Yeah, Leroy was was keeping

1418
01:21:58,120 --> 01:22:01,040
stuff.
Right, which will make sense on

1419
01:22:01,040 --> 01:22:03,960
this timeline.
It was the same timeline, but

1420
01:22:03,960 --> 01:22:07,560
then they took Mike out of that.
So he was the one who did the

1421
01:22:07,560 --> 01:22:11,000
research.
But in the book he did the

1422
01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:12,840
research.
So it would have made sense.

1423
01:22:12,880 --> 01:22:18,000
But yeah, but as you don't
think, Leroy, we sitting here

1424
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:21,320
trying to make sure nothing
happens, they're going to tell

1425
01:22:21,320 --> 01:22:24,080
us about the history.
We've we're about to get all the

1426
01:22:24,080 --> 01:22:27,400
information now so we can be
aware because we part of the

1427
01:22:27,400 --> 01:22:29,760
council.
So Leroy and Charlotte probably

1428
01:22:29,760 --> 01:22:35,360
kept clips of everything, all
the stuff that was happening and

1429
01:22:35,360 --> 01:22:38,200
passing on the wheel and passing
on the mic.

1430
01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:46,920
There is a there is a a theory
that Ronnie does come back, but

1431
01:22:47,120 --> 01:22:50,320
her name is changed because her
name has been changed.

1432
01:22:50,640 --> 01:22:54,480
She got new papers but he's been
writing her so she does remember

1433
01:22:54,480 --> 01:22:57,840
him and she comes back and get
married and they're Mike's

1434
01:22:57,840 --> 01:23:03,320
parents.
Yeah, because they actually took

1435
01:23:03,320 --> 01:23:05,800
that name from a character who
did.

1436
01:23:05,800 --> 01:23:10,040
He's not alive in the books.
Yeah, because in the book they

1437
01:23:10,040 --> 01:23:13,080
talk about finding her body,
finding Ronnie.

1438
01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:16,480
She's like 1/4 grader the day
that dies so she's not even.

1439
01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:20,080
They had a funeral.
And I was thinking, well, maybe

1440
01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:21,960
they did.
And the writers could just say

1441
01:23:21,960 --> 01:23:27,400
that Charlotte spread that rumor
as a cover for why she's not

1442
01:23:27,400 --> 01:23:30,400
there.
Because she went away with Hank.

1443
01:23:30,480 --> 01:23:30,720
Yeah.
Yeah.

1444
01:23:30,720 --> 01:23:31,800
Because.
Where is.

1445
01:23:33,360 --> 01:23:35,480
Where is?
Where is Grandma Michelle?

1446
01:23:35,480 --> 01:23:37,200
Where Grandma?
Grandma was there though.

1447
01:23:37,560 --> 01:23:40,680
She was at the farmhouse.
She was at the farmhouse.

1448
01:23:40,680 --> 01:23:43,600
They finally got her.
They finally got her.

1449
01:23:43,640 --> 01:23:45,960
Yeah.
She was saying when they were

1450
01:23:45,960 --> 01:23:49,800
packing the car, they had a box
with something, I think it was a

1451
01:23:49,800 --> 01:23:51,920
magazine or something with
Natalie Wood on it.

1452
01:23:51,960 --> 01:23:55,000
And she was saying, yeah, we
might want to put Natalie Wood

1453
01:23:55,000 --> 01:23:58,480
in the back with Miss Grogan.
Miss Grogan was sitting as she

1454
01:23:58,480 --> 01:24:00,040
was walking to the back of the
car.

1455
01:24:00,040 --> 01:24:02,080
So yeah, she, they finally got
her.

1456
01:24:02,080 --> 01:24:02,880
I.
Do not.

1457
01:24:02,880 --> 01:24:05,080
They did now.
What happened when they left the

1458
01:24:05,080 --> 01:24:07,800
house to Save the Children?
She got back in that chair.

1459
01:24:11,560 --> 01:24:13,520
Yeah, she turned on her soap
operas.

1460
01:24:14,600 --> 01:24:20,520
But so Hank and Ronnie and and
Misses Rogan, They're about to

1461
01:24:20,760 --> 01:24:22,800
go try to cross the Canadian
border.

1462
01:24:24,880 --> 01:24:29,000
Leroy and Charlotte are getting
ready to to move.

1463
01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:32,720
They're packing up the house and
Dick Halloran comes by to say

1464
01:24:32,720 --> 01:24:38,560
goodbye to Leroy and they have a
conversation because Dick is

1465
01:24:38,560 --> 01:24:42,680
about to leave and what he say,
he's about to He's going to take

1466
01:24:42,680 --> 01:24:46,040
a bus to Boston.
He's going to fly to London

1467
01:24:46,040 --> 01:24:50,120
because a friend of his, he has
a hotel and he wants him to try

1468
01:24:50,120 --> 01:24:54,040
his hand at cooking.
And I love it when Leroy was

1469
01:24:54,040 --> 01:24:56,560
like, well, you know, if you get
in trouble, you know who to

1470
01:24:56,560 --> 01:24:58,120
call.
He was like, how much trouble

1471
01:24:58,120 --> 01:25:01,960
can a hotel be?
Or maybe not, maybe none in

1472
01:25:01,960 --> 01:25:05,200
London, but when in London to
the States you going to have

1473
01:25:05,200 --> 01:25:07,640
some issues.
But to be fair, it might be in

1474
01:25:07,640 --> 01:25:11,040
London because London's so old,
so he probably will have similar

1475
01:25:11,040 --> 01:25:14,120
things in London, which I hope
that's what they make the show

1476
01:25:14,120 --> 01:25:16,160
about because I know they're
going to make a spin off.

1477
01:25:16,280 --> 01:25:21,080
I know they are, yeah.
I've heard rumors that they want

1478
01:25:21,080 --> 01:25:24,760
a Dick Halloran spin off, and
I've heard someone suggest

1479
01:25:25,160 --> 01:25:30,960
because if you've seen Jack
Nicholson's son, he did this

1480
01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:36,120
movie Smile where he does this
creepy little smile look like he

1481
01:25:36,120 --> 01:25:39,160
looked like his daddy.
So somebody was like, yeah, we

1482
01:25:39,160 --> 01:25:43,880
need to get a Overlook Hotel
prequel, because at the end of

1483
01:25:43,880 --> 01:25:49,080
The Shining, when you see that
Jack Torrance has actually been

1484
01:25:49,080 --> 01:25:51,440
in this hotel before and he's
been there for a long time.

1485
01:25:51,440 --> 01:25:53,600
I was like, OK, are they going
to explain that?

1486
01:25:53,600 --> 01:25:57,400
And they don't really.
Yeah, y'all can do a little

1487
01:25:57,400 --> 01:25:58,360
series and.
Explain.

1488
01:25:58,360 --> 01:26:00,560
Yeah, but you know what?
That that that was for the

1489
01:26:00,560 --> 01:26:02,440
movie.
And that was Kubrick.

1490
01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:04,880
Yeah, that.
Was a Kubrick he didn't like

1491
01:26:04,880 --> 01:26:06,040
that he.
Didn't like that.

1492
01:26:06,160 --> 01:26:08,000
OK, he liked that.
Yeah.

1493
01:26:08,280 --> 01:26:12,840
'Cause he also rented the way.
Hank, I mean Dick being the hero

1494
01:26:12,840 --> 01:26:16,320
in in the movie too and so he
didn't like to like that, so he

1495
01:26:16,360 --> 01:26:18,520
likes to they let him be a hero
in this.

1496
01:26:18,640 --> 01:26:20,560
OK, OK.
You like it?

1497
01:26:21,080 --> 01:26:24,880
It's a great movie, Kubrick is a
great director, but King was not

1498
01:26:24,880 --> 01:26:30,360
happy at all.
This is a small thing and it it

1499
01:26:30,360 --> 01:26:35,440
may just be me, but that moment
between Dick and Leroy that that

1500
01:26:35,440 --> 01:26:37,400
was a real hug it.
Was.

1501
01:26:37,920 --> 01:26:44,760
You don't really see depiction
of black men showing that kind

1502
01:26:44,760 --> 01:26:49,760
of love, care, respect for each
other on film, especially

1503
01:26:49,760 --> 01:26:53,960
mainstream stuff.
So that that moment was really

1504
01:26:54,080 --> 01:26:56,080
big for me because it.
Was a.

1505
01:26:56,080 --> 01:26:58,680
Real moment.
It felt real.

1506
01:26:58,840 --> 01:27:02,480
Yeah, I mean, because I mean,
think about it, you both have

1507
01:27:02,480 --> 01:27:05,840
this really contentious start
and you were kind of butting

1508
01:27:05,840 --> 01:27:08,280
heads the whole time.
But when you go through

1509
01:27:08,280 --> 01:27:12,120
something like y'all went
through, that creates a bond.

1510
01:27:12,120 --> 01:27:15,240
And that was, you know, going
back to what Dina was saying, if

1511
01:27:15,240 --> 01:27:17,840
Ronnie does come back.
Because one of the things I

1512
01:27:17,840 --> 01:27:20,560
thought about, I was like,
they're 12, there's no way

1513
01:27:20,560 --> 01:27:23,600
they're going to get married to
their 12 year old sweetheart.

1514
01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:28,320
But if they do remember, like if
Will is there, he remembers all

1515
01:27:28,320 --> 01:27:32,080
of this stuff, who else is he
going to bond with and have

1516
01:27:32,080 --> 01:27:35,320
something in common with that he
can, You know, one thing about

1517
01:27:35,320 --> 01:27:38,840
when you have partners, this is
somebody you can tell everything

1518
01:27:38,840 --> 01:27:40,600
to that you can unburden
yourself with.

1519
01:27:41,200 --> 01:27:43,080
He's not really want to hit that
with anybody.

1520
01:27:43,080 --> 01:27:45,760
Else SO.
If if they do end up together,

1521
01:27:45,760 --> 01:27:49,600
it it would kind of make sense.
And then if they end up dying in

1522
01:27:49,600 --> 01:27:54,280
the fire, that's Pennywise, you
know, taking care of both two of

1523
01:27:54,280 --> 01:27:58,720
the kids that had something to
do with, you know, his defeat at

1524
01:27:58,720 --> 01:28:02,440
this time.
But yeah, going back to Dick and

1525
01:28:02,440 --> 01:28:07,040
and Leroy, I really loved that
moment because I was like, you

1526
01:28:07,040 --> 01:28:12,240
know what?
That's that's healing on both of

1527
01:28:12,240 --> 01:28:15,360
their parts.
You know, And I feel like, like

1528
01:28:15,360 --> 01:28:17,840
you said, Anthony, I feel like
there was a lot of respect

1529
01:28:17,840 --> 01:28:20,760
there.
And I also feel like it was an

1530
01:28:20,880 --> 01:28:26,360
unspoken apology on both ends,
like not something you

1531
01:28:26,360 --> 01:28:29,440
necessarily need to say, but
that hug, you felt it.

1532
01:28:29,880 --> 01:28:32,680
And then when Dick was like, you
got to keep in touch, man.

1533
01:28:32,680 --> 01:28:34,640
You got to keep me updated on
Will and Shar.

1534
01:28:34,640 --> 01:28:36,120
He was like, I thought you
didn't care.

1535
01:28:36,120 --> 01:28:39,400
He was like, don't tell nobody.
But I was like, you can tell

1536
01:28:39,400 --> 01:28:42,480
Dick has a soft spot for the for
the kids now.

1537
01:28:42,480 --> 01:28:46,080
I don't know if it was that, if
it was that, if it was that

1538
01:28:46,080 --> 01:28:50,320
moment in the the black spot
where he almost left them and he

1539
01:28:50,320 --> 01:28:54,040
turned around and came back.
Maybe that changed him or

1540
01:28:54,040 --> 01:28:56,440
something.
But it's like the way that he

1541
01:28:56,440 --> 01:29:02,280
looked at Richie when when Rich,
when his ghost showed up, the

1542
01:29:02,280 --> 01:29:05,720
way he looked at him when he was
at the funeral.

1543
01:29:05,720 --> 01:29:09,280
I mean literally after the
funeral was over, Rich was

1544
01:29:09,280 --> 01:29:12,040
standing there with his hands on
both of his parents shoulders

1545
01:29:12,040 --> 01:29:15,760
and his dad could feel it.
You can see him reaching for but

1546
01:29:15,760 --> 01:29:19,040
not quite touching.
It comes over and sits next to

1547
01:29:19,040 --> 01:29:22,240
his dad just randomly.
And he looks at them.

1548
01:29:22,240 --> 01:29:25,160
And he was like that, that hand
you feel on your shoulder.

1549
01:29:25,160 --> 01:29:27,840
Both of his parents turned and
looked and said, yes.

1550
01:29:28,280 --> 01:29:31,080
He was like, that's your boy,
and he will always be there.

1551
01:29:31,400 --> 01:29:35,280
And I love that moment because
we know Rich's parents and his

1552
01:29:35,280 --> 01:29:38,440
family.
They believe in the other world.

1553
01:29:38,440 --> 01:29:41,720
Yeah.
So I love that they were able to

1554
01:29:41,720 --> 01:29:44,720
have that moment to know that,
you know, Rich was there with

1555
01:29:44,720 --> 01:29:49,040
them.
And Dick, I felt like, I don't

1556
01:29:49,040 --> 01:29:53,080
know, maybe that was his kind of
way of apologizing too, for not

1557
01:29:53,080 --> 01:29:58,880
being able to save Rich because
he tried, you know, he, he

1558
01:29:58,880 --> 01:30:03,240
really tried to go back for Rich
and March, but the ceiling fell

1559
01:30:03,240 --> 01:30:07,400
down.
So I that, that whole little

1560
01:30:07,400 --> 01:30:11,520
scene and, and with Dick it, it
was very healing.

1561
01:30:12,520 --> 01:30:15,960
I loved it.
I was like, yes, this is what we

1562
01:30:15,960 --> 01:30:19,400
need.
And I think also that, you know,

1563
01:30:19,920 --> 01:30:24,320
he probably also looked at those
kids and how brave they were and

1564
01:30:24,320 --> 01:30:26,960
really like admired the fact
that all these kids was just

1565
01:30:26,960 --> 01:30:29,640
willing to fight back.
And like, you know, even with

1566
01:30:29,640 --> 01:30:32,640
Rich, I'm dead, but I'm still
here fighting the good fight

1567
01:30:33,120 --> 01:30:34,880
probably was very inspired by
that.

1568
01:30:35,800 --> 01:30:38,720
When you look at him later and
how he related to Danny, when he

1569
01:30:38,720 --> 01:30:42,320
found out he had the Shining, he
immediately took the Danny, you

1570
01:30:42,320 --> 01:30:44,160
know.
And so I think he definitely

1571
01:30:44,880 --> 01:30:47,600
something changed within him,
something is not.

1572
01:30:48,520 --> 01:30:51,760
And then he helps.
He helps another kid in doctor

1573
01:30:51,760 --> 01:30:54,040
sleep, right?
So I didn't.

1574
01:30:54,040 --> 01:30:55,640
I haven't seen Doctor Sleep.
I haven't read it yet.

1575
01:30:56,480 --> 01:30:57,960
I've seen the movie.
It's a plan.

1576
01:30:58,280 --> 01:31:01,040
He he helps another kid in
doctor sleep, right?

1577
01:31:01,080 --> 01:31:02,960
Or was it an adult that he was
helping?

1578
01:31:03,520 --> 01:31:06,120
It was Danny as an adult.
Oh no, doctor sleep.

1579
01:31:06,120 --> 01:31:08,880
He helped a kid in the.
Book.

1580
01:31:09,360 --> 01:31:14,000
In the movie, he helped a kid.
She was a teenager.

1581
01:31:15,600 --> 01:31:19,240
OK, yeah, but young, I mean,
even 12 maybe, I don't remember.

1582
01:31:19,240 --> 01:31:21,440
But he was helping the kid.
He was helping the.

1583
01:31:22,200 --> 01:31:27,080
About the same age as.
OK, OK.

1584
01:31:27,680 --> 01:31:33,360
But yeah, I mean.
Well, Danny was helping the kid,

1585
01:31:33,360 --> 01:31:34,760
and he was helping Danny.
He.

1586
01:31:34,760 --> 01:31:40,080
Was helping Danny OK OK.
But then the last thing is while

1587
01:31:40,080 --> 01:31:42,600
there's well it's it's a couple
of things.

1588
01:31:45,280 --> 01:31:50,000
Rose talks to Leroy and
Charlotte about staying in

1589
01:31:50,000 --> 01:31:52,120
dairy.
She was like, we really want you

1590
01:31:52,120 --> 01:31:56,520
on the council because the
military has given Leroy an

1591
01:31:56,560 --> 01:31:59,280
honorable discharge because
they're like, if you keep your

1592
01:31:59,280 --> 01:32:02,040
mouth shut, you you can leave
out.

1593
01:32:02,040 --> 01:32:05,680
And that, I don't know.
That didn't sit right with me.

1594
01:32:05,680 --> 01:32:08,640
I was like, I feel like they're
not going to let it go that

1595
01:32:08,640 --> 01:32:11,440
easily.
I was like, yeah, they're

1596
01:32:11,440 --> 01:32:13,000
telling him they're going to
leave him alone.

1597
01:32:13,000 --> 01:32:14,800
But I have.
I have a feeling if they had

1598
01:32:14,800 --> 01:32:17,520
left, they probably would have
monitored him and Charlotte for

1599
01:32:17,520 --> 01:32:21,080
the rest of their lives.
But then Rose comes and she

1600
01:32:21,080 --> 01:32:23,080
gives them the solution.
She was like, hey, we really

1601
01:32:23,080 --> 01:32:24,920
want you guys on the council,
She said.

1602
01:32:24,920 --> 01:32:29,360
Because you both are steadfast
and I feel like you will help

1603
01:32:29,800 --> 01:32:32,840
keep an eye on them to make sure
they don't try to attempt this

1604
01:32:32,840 --> 01:32:35,520
again.
She said cuz this is not the

1605
01:32:35,520 --> 01:32:37,800
last time something like this is
going to happen.

1606
01:32:39,360 --> 01:32:43,320
And at first they're like, yeah,
no, we've had enough of dairy.

1607
01:32:43,320 --> 01:32:47,400
But I saw on Charlotte's face, I
was like, Charlotte is going to

1608
01:32:47,400 --> 01:32:49,560
be the reason why they stay
which.

1609
01:32:49,640 --> 01:32:51,960
She a crusader.
She a crusader.

1610
01:32:52,520 --> 01:32:54,720
She she has a purpose.
Yeah.

1611
01:32:54,760 --> 01:32:57,920
And also, I think she really
wanted to make sure that

1612
01:32:58,280 --> 01:33:00,720
whatever they could do to make
sure that doesn't happen to

1613
01:33:00,720 --> 01:33:03,880
other kids, I really think that
she was like, you know what?

1614
01:33:04,280 --> 01:33:07,800
She was a teacher and her trade.
She was a teacher.

1615
01:33:07,800 --> 01:33:10,720
So she, you know, she couldn't
just sit there and just let

1616
01:33:10,720 --> 01:33:13,080
people up, you know what, leave
them to their own devices.

1617
01:33:13,440 --> 01:33:15,400
She, you know, the little boy
was getting beat up in the

1618
01:33:15,400 --> 01:33:17,680
street and she was the only one
that ran over there to help him,

1619
01:33:17,680 --> 01:33:20,320
you know?
So that's now they understand

1620
01:33:20,320 --> 01:33:24,800
why and this is a, this is a
purpose so that this doesn't get

1621
01:33:24,800 --> 01:33:28,640
out into the world and they got
some major goals to try to do

1622
01:33:28,640 --> 01:33:32,840
something about it.
So you know you got this piece

1623
01:33:32,840 --> 01:33:35,280
for at least 27 years.
Yeah.

1624
01:33:36,640 --> 01:33:39,600
So.
And it explains why you got a

1625
01:33:39,600 --> 01:33:43,640
farm.
And she explained, she said, Oh,

1626
01:33:43,640 --> 01:33:45,880
yeah, you grew up on the farm,
OK.

1627
01:33:46,480 --> 01:33:47,520
Yeah, because, she said.
I'm not.

1628
01:33:47,520 --> 01:33:50,240
I'm not touching no sheep.
I'm not helping nothing.

1629
01:33:50,440 --> 01:33:54,120
Nope.
Oh, that's funny.

1630
01:33:54,160 --> 01:33:59,280
I'm not touching no sheep.
I know, but Ronnie and Wil were

1631
01:33:59,280 --> 01:34:02,200
cute.
Yeah, they got, they had their

1632
01:34:02,200 --> 01:34:05,840
first little kids because kids
will is like, well, you know, if

1633
01:34:05,840 --> 01:34:07,720
we're going to move away, we're
going to forget.

1634
01:34:08,720 --> 01:34:10,840
And I don't want to forget.
Well, I want to forget the bad

1635
01:34:10,840 --> 01:34:12,480
stuff.
I don't want to forget you.

1636
01:34:12,480 --> 01:34:15,000
But I, I like the fact that
they're going to stay now

1637
01:34:15,000 --> 01:34:20,120
because again, he gets to, he
gets to remember the good parts

1638
01:34:20,120 --> 01:34:23,080
about it and.
He's going to write her and she

1639
01:34:23,080 --> 01:34:26,200
probably won't forget because of
him writing her.

1640
01:34:26,680 --> 01:34:31,160
Yeah, but I but that does kind
of make you wonder about.

1641
01:34:31,160 --> 01:34:35,440
And again, I need to go back and
and rewatch the two it movies,

1642
01:34:35,840 --> 01:34:42,640
the recent ones that tie into
this one, because we see a older

1643
01:34:42,640 --> 01:34:47,000
March in those movies, right?
Yeah, because she's the one

1644
01:34:47,000 --> 01:34:52,440
that's so obsessed with
everything that he's doing or

1645
01:34:52,440 --> 01:34:53,800
is.
That no, no, that's.

1646
01:34:54,480 --> 01:34:55,560
Eddie.
'S mom.

1647
01:34:56,880 --> 01:35:01,840
That's a yeah.
You only see his mom at the

1648
01:35:02,640 --> 01:35:04,200
permissible.
That's it.

1649
01:35:05,880 --> 01:35:08,160
When they were, you know, when
he went to his friend.

1650
01:35:08,200 --> 01:35:10,640
I can't think of it.
The one who killed himself

1651
01:35:11,120 --> 01:35:13,520
unlock themselves staying
staying.

1652
01:35:15,840 --> 01:35:16,840
Staying yours.
Yeah.

1653
01:35:18,440 --> 01:35:21,840
So I just wonder, like, if Will
was still there and obviously

1654
01:35:21,840 --> 01:35:23,320
Marge.
Marge was still there.

1655
01:35:23,320 --> 01:35:27,280
She never moved out.
I'm wondering, did the

1656
01:35:27,280 --> 01:35:30,880
friendship stay?
Like, did they stay friends?

1657
01:35:30,880 --> 01:35:35,640
Because you see them before
Ronnie and will leave when

1658
01:35:35,640 --> 01:35:39,080
they're in the tower and you see
Lily and Marge having a

1659
01:35:39,080 --> 01:35:43,240
conversation about Pennywise
because Marge is telling Lily

1660
01:35:43,600 --> 01:35:46,680
what he told her she was like.
You know, he told me I'm going

1661
01:35:46,680 --> 01:35:49,520
to have a son, and my son and
his friends are responsible for

1662
01:35:49,520 --> 01:35:54,720
his death 27 years from now.
But he also said that he

1663
01:35:54,720 --> 01:35:58,160
experiences the past, present
and future at the same time.

1664
01:35:59,400 --> 01:36:01,480
She was like, what if?
What if this means that he can

1665
01:36:01,480 --> 01:36:04,040
go backwards?
Do you think he will try to go

1666
01:36:04,240 --> 01:36:09,160
back and maybe kill someone from
out from their time to make sure

1667
01:36:09,160 --> 01:36:13,920
that we're not born?
And Lily's response was really

1668
01:36:13,920 --> 01:36:17,480
weird to me because she is
almost like she looked at it and

1669
01:36:17,480 --> 01:36:21,160
she thought about it.
She just went past my screen.

1670
01:36:21,840 --> 01:36:26,800
But she was like, well, that'll
be that'll be for some someone

1671
01:36:26,800 --> 01:36:30,200
else to deal with.
Which in a sense I can

1672
01:36:30,200 --> 01:36:33,520
understand that because Lily was
probably like, look, I'm about

1673
01:36:33,560 --> 01:36:39,720
to rebuild my life like, but at
the same time it's like, well, I

1674
01:36:39,720 --> 01:36:42,320
guess.
Well, first of all, how, how,

1675
01:36:42,400 --> 01:36:43,760
how, how's he going to go back
in?

1676
01:36:43,760 --> 01:36:44,560
Time.
Yeah, that's what I was.

1677
01:36:44,560 --> 01:36:46,680
Right.
I mean, like it's, it's we, I

1678
01:36:46,680 --> 01:36:50,040
thought like now we're just
hoping that, you know, our

1679
01:36:50,040 --> 01:36:52,720
relatives fight, they fight.
I mean, that's all we can do,

1680
01:36:52,720 --> 01:36:54,000
you know?
Because I was going to say she

1681
01:36:54,000 --> 01:36:56,760
would have there.
There's it's not like they can,

1682
01:36:58,040 --> 01:37:00,480
it's not like they can send a
note back to the past.

1683
01:37:00,480 --> 01:37:02,880
They can't time travel.
So yeah, it's.

1684
01:37:05,600 --> 01:37:10,360
Just and she probably also was
just trying to like not calm

1685
01:37:10,840 --> 01:37:14,480
March down, but like also not
one to make her feel like she

1686
01:37:14,480 --> 01:37:18,280
was crazy like people have been
making her feel this whole time.

1687
01:37:18,280 --> 01:37:22,160
So she probably was just trying
to like, it's going to be OK.

1688
01:37:22,160 --> 01:37:23,600
We can't do nothing about it's
fine.

1689
01:37:23,600 --> 01:37:26,520
Like the kind of, you know,
because she probably, you know,

1690
01:37:26,520 --> 01:37:28,600
didn't want her to feel like
she's been feeling for like

1691
01:37:28,600 --> 01:37:30,720
however long a year or whatever
it's been.

1692
01:37:31,080 --> 01:37:36,560
Yeah, not that.
Fight for someone else's fight.

1693
01:37:37,120 --> 01:37:40,200
Right, right.
Yeah, put in the time.

1694
01:37:41,840 --> 01:37:48,240
But I, I loved this episode.
I love this series.

1695
01:37:49,520 --> 01:37:54,760
This is like one of the best
series that I've seen this year

1696
01:37:54,760 --> 01:38:00,720
and I think I I might go so far
as to say this is probably one

1697
01:38:00,720 --> 01:38:04,600
of the best King adaptations
that they've done.

1698
01:38:05,000 --> 01:38:07,360
Yeah.
Oh, don't forget about the Bev

1699
01:38:07,360 --> 01:38:10,800
cameo at the end.
Oh yeah, with Miss Kirsch.

1700
01:38:10,840 --> 01:38:15,640
Yes, yes, Miss Kirsch.
They got her in Juniper Hill.

1701
01:38:16,280 --> 01:38:19,600
She's she's going crazy talking
about, you know, the wolves.

1702
01:38:19,600 --> 01:38:21,200
The wolves are out there.
They after me.

1703
01:38:21,200 --> 01:38:23,880
They killed my.
Daddy and Oh my God.

1704
01:38:24,360 --> 01:38:27,760
And they turned on the record
and I was like how do y'all know

1705
01:38:27,760 --> 01:38:30,320
about the And I was like, oh I
forgot she worked there.

1706
01:38:31,440 --> 01:38:35,480
So they probably do she probably
because I think she turned on

1707
01:38:35,480 --> 01:38:38,080
that record.
In.

1708
01:38:38,120 --> 01:38:42,000
The vision that we saw of her
with when she first saw Mabel,

1709
01:38:42,000 --> 01:38:44,960
when Mabel talked about
Pennywise, didn't she?

1710
01:38:44,960 --> 01:38:46,800
Didn't she play that record or
something?

1711
01:38:46,800 --> 01:38:48,360
I can't remember, but I know I.
Can't remember.

1712
01:38:48,400 --> 01:38:52,000
I know she did play it, yeah.
Yeah, so they play it and it

1713
01:38:52,000 --> 01:38:56,840
immediately calms her down.
And then we see time jump to 26

1714
01:38:56,840 --> 01:39:01,840
years later, she's painting
Pennywise's Hannibal.

1715
01:39:01,920 --> 01:39:04,080
Well, her dad's hand.
Let me say that.

1716
01:39:04,080 --> 01:39:07,960
She's painting her dad's hand.
She hears a scream from down the

1717
01:39:07,960 --> 01:39:09,200
hall.
It's a commotion.

1718
01:39:09,480 --> 01:39:11,600
She gets up, she goes down the
hall.

1719
01:39:11,600 --> 01:39:15,600
Now this is the thing that I was
confused about because generally

1720
01:39:15,600 --> 01:39:19,080
if someone has committed suicide
in the room you just going to

1721
01:39:19,080 --> 01:39:21,360
let random people walk up in The
Walking?

1722
01:39:21,640 --> 01:39:26,040
Yeah.
Nobody paid her any attention.

1723
01:39:26,720 --> 01:39:30,000
First of all, it's probably a
common occurrence at Jennifer

1724
01:39:30,000 --> 01:39:32,880
Hill.
Yeah, but nobody is surprised.

1725
01:39:33,840 --> 01:39:37,240
Yeah, and I get that.
But to just let somebody just

1726
01:39:37,240 --> 01:39:40,360
walk in the room?
But I guess it's also that thing

1727
01:39:40,360 --> 01:39:43,080
too where the patients just kind
of were free to just kind of

1728
01:39:43,080 --> 01:39:46,520
roam and then they, you know,
anytime something went down

1729
01:39:46,520 --> 01:39:49,000
crazy, they just, they were just
there and they wouldn't know

1730
01:39:49,000 --> 01:39:52,960
what was going on because they
was all, you know, pretty

1731
01:39:52,960 --> 01:39:55,720
disturbed or whatever.
So they didn't really take

1732
01:39:55,720 --> 01:39:58,240
story.
It's not like me walking in off

1733
01:39:58,280 --> 01:40:01,200
the street going oh snap, that
Lady hung herself.

1734
01:40:01,320 --> 01:40:05,040
I guess I just wondered if they
would take more caution because

1735
01:40:05,040 --> 01:40:09,320
if this woman is in Juniper Hill
and she has hung herself, you

1736
01:40:09,320 --> 01:40:12,440
have other people in Juniper
Hill who have those same

1737
01:40:12,440 --> 01:40:14,080
tendencies.
Because what did the cops say

1738
01:40:14,080 --> 01:40:17,080
when he came out?
He was talking about what what

1739
01:40:17,080 --> 01:40:19,200
was her mom's name?
Alfredo.

1740
01:40:19,680 --> 01:40:22,960
Alfredo Marsh, He said, yeah,
because she's dead.

1741
01:40:22,960 --> 01:40:26,160
She's really dead this time.
So this obviously is not the

1742
01:40:26,160 --> 01:40:30,040
first time she's tried this.
My thing is, you have other

1743
01:40:30,320 --> 01:40:34,400
other patients in your hospital
who probably have the same

1744
01:40:34,400 --> 01:40:36,800
things.
You really want them to see

1745
01:40:36,800 --> 01:40:39,720
that, Like you wouldn't do more
to keep them away from that.

1746
01:40:40,520 --> 01:40:42,760
First of all, they.
Didn't care.

1747
01:40:43,080 --> 01:40:46,480
One, no, they didn't care, and
two, this is dairy.

1748
01:40:47,120 --> 01:40:49,920
Yeah, also.
That's dairy, yeah.

1749
01:40:50,280 --> 01:40:55,720
Things there don't always go how
they probably should.

1750
01:40:56,080 --> 01:41:00,600
And it's 26 years later, so it's
right at the start of the next

1751
01:41:00,600 --> 01:41:02,080
cycle.
So yeah.

1752
01:41:02,360 --> 01:41:04,360
And it's like also, you know,
they didn't the stuff that we

1753
01:41:04,360 --> 01:41:08,440
have in place now as far as laws
and rules and protocols, they

1754
01:41:08,440 --> 01:41:10,880
didn't have that stuff.
And even in the 80s, honey, they

1755
01:41:10,880 --> 01:41:12,720
used to smoke in hospitals back
in the decades.

1756
01:41:13,000 --> 01:41:14,520
Yeah, you're right, You're
right.

1757
01:41:14,920 --> 01:41:18,720
Oh yeah, 'cause my my dad worked
at Central State Hospital.

1758
01:41:19,920 --> 01:41:21,840
For real, my mom.
Put that hospital down.

1759
01:41:22,560 --> 01:41:24,560
Let's see, there you go.
And so he.

1760
01:41:25,080 --> 01:41:28,840
They were, they were getting
kickbacks and they were using

1761
01:41:28,840 --> 01:41:30,880
money and taking money and
housing people who didn't need

1762
01:41:30,880 --> 01:41:33,040
to be there so they can get the
money and they were doing all

1763
01:41:33,040 --> 01:41:35,600
kinds of illegal stuff.
They were doing a lot of bad

1764
01:41:35,600 --> 01:41:38,600
stuff there.
But yeah, they're in the 80s

1765
01:41:38,600 --> 01:41:40,120
because I used to go hang out
with him.

1766
01:41:40,120 --> 01:41:43,600
Yeah, he smoked in his office.
You know, everybody was smoking

1767
01:41:43,600 --> 01:41:46,320
back then.
And yes, the patients, OK, the

1768
01:41:46,320 --> 01:41:49,400
residents did walk around
freely.

1769
01:41:50,320 --> 01:41:53,240
If they were, if they were kind,
I don't want to say harmless,

1770
01:41:53,800 --> 01:41:57,520
but if it wasn't like my dad
didn't work in the prison

1771
01:41:57,800 --> 01:42:02,400
because since they did have a
couple of prisons on the ground

1772
01:42:02,400 --> 01:42:09,880
for the criminally insane, but
his his buildings, the the ones

1773
01:42:09,880 --> 01:42:12,360
that had patients, they walked
around, I mean, and.

1774
01:42:12,440 --> 01:42:16,320
I'm not saying they couldn't be
walking around but my my my my

1775
01:42:16,320 --> 01:42:19,880
issue is y'all let her walk into
a crime scene like.

1776
01:42:21,480 --> 01:42:24,120
He wouldn't even.
He wouldn't even consider the

1777
01:42:24,120 --> 01:42:25,320
crime scene, Really.
Yeah.

1778
01:42:25,800 --> 01:42:28,840
Yeah.
No, no, no, no one's taking

1779
01:42:28,920 --> 01:42:31,920
fingerprints.
When when when she gets into the

1780
01:42:31,920 --> 01:42:35,040
room, there is a young girl and
a man on the ground.

1781
01:42:35,040 --> 01:42:37,280
They're crying.
They're they're kind of hugged

1782
01:42:37,280 --> 01:42:42,240
up on each other.
And then the man elbows the girl

1783
01:42:42,240 --> 01:42:45,200
off of him.
And when she does that, Missus

1784
01:42:45,200 --> 01:42:50,880
Kirsch's face changes like,
like, it's it's almost like she

1785
01:42:50,880 --> 01:42:51,840
had a flashback.
Yeah.

1786
01:42:53,160 --> 01:42:57,960
And she told Beverly because
that's when she turns around and

1787
01:42:57,960 --> 01:43:00,960
we see that it's Beverly.
And this girl did not age.

1788
01:43:02,240 --> 01:43:04,560
They, I, I think they just
filmed that scene.

1789
01:43:04,560 --> 01:43:08,720
I think I read seven months ago.
Why does she still look like she

1790
01:43:08,720 --> 01:43:12,520
did in 2019 in the movie?
Michelle says she looks like

1791
01:43:12,520 --> 01:43:15,720
something she's in now, like.
She doesn't change, that's what

1792
01:43:15,720 --> 01:43:16,360
I'm saying.
I knew.

1793
01:43:16,440 --> 01:43:19,360
I knew they didn't do no aging
because she looks like that in

1794
01:43:19,360 --> 01:43:24,040
all her fault and she's playing
a young lady in all her fault.

1795
01:43:24,040 --> 01:43:27,960
Like she's playing maybe 20 and
all her fault and she looks

1796
01:43:27,960 --> 01:43:34,040
exactly how she did in it in it.
So no, she has not aged.

1797
01:43:34,040 --> 01:43:36,240
That's why I was like, oh, OK,
so they could use her because

1798
01:43:36,240 --> 01:43:41,560
she was she looking the same.
But so, yeah, Missus Kirsch

1799
01:43:41,560 --> 01:43:45,040
looks at Beverly, and Beverly
has tears because her mom just

1800
01:43:45,040 --> 01:43:46,680
committed suicide.
And she looks at it.

1801
01:43:46,680 --> 01:43:50,720
She says, oh, dear, you know
what they say about dairy?

1802
01:43:51,240 --> 01:43:53,840
What does never, never stays
dead.

1803
01:43:56,040 --> 01:44:04,320
I was like, oh, here we go.
The start of the cycle, right?

1804
01:44:04,320 --> 01:44:06,040
He was creepy.
He was.

1805
01:44:06,720 --> 01:44:14,840
He was, but that of course ties
into the IT movies and that was

1806
01:44:14,840 --> 01:44:17,760
the end of our season.
But it was great it.

1807
01:44:18,360 --> 01:44:20,880
Was great.
It was.

1808
01:44:21,000 --> 01:44:24,320
Right, This was a really, really
good Stephen King.

1809
01:44:25,960 --> 01:44:27,880
You can't call it an adaptation,
right?

1810
01:44:28,280 --> 01:44:31,840
But it's a really good.
Based on based.

1811
01:44:31,920 --> 01:44:36,880
On characters, continuation of a
story or prequel of a story.

1812
01:44:37,760 --> 01:44:39,960
Yeah, and I don't think he had.
A fleshed out story he.

1813
01:44:39,960 --> 01:44:41,520
Didn't have anything to do with,
it did.

1814
01:44:41,520 --> 01:44:44,640
He he couldn't, they say.
He was a frequent consultant.

1815
01:44:44,640 --> 01:44:45,880
Today, Yeah, yeah.
They said.

1816
01:44:46,040 --> 01:44:47,360
They they talked to him about
it.

1817
01:44:47,480 --> 01:44:52,280
But they they did a good job.
Filled with.

1818
01:44:52,520 --> 01:44:57,360
Gaps and and not really
contradicting what was already

1819
01:44:57,360 --> 01:44:59,240
done.
They did a really good job.

1820
01:45:00,640 --> 01:45:02,840
You know, like when we first
watched that first episode, I

1821
01:45:02,840 --> 01:45:08,000
feel like we are years away from
that first episode with how far

1822
01:45:08,000 --> 01:45:11,520
we have come in the story.
Because I'm look, I just was

1823
01:45:11,520 --> 01:45:15,680
watching the video of like Phil
and Teddy and and them and I was

1824
01:45:15,680 --> 01:45:18,040
just like.
It almost feels like we thought

1825
01:45:18,160 --> 01:45:19,920
they were.
Characters in this show that

1826
01:45:19,920 --> 01:45:22,960
were like going to be in the
show and like we're so.

1827
01:45:23,080 --> 01:45:24,760
Far removed from that.
Now.

1828
01:45:25,240 --> 01:45:30,800
Yeah, it's crazy, but they, I
mean, they really did a good job

1829
01:45:30,800 --> 01:45:34,800
with this.
And I know that I saw something

1830
01:45:34,800 --> 01:45:37,280
yesterday saying that they have
been renewed, but then when I

1831
01:45:37,280 --> 01:45:40,000
looked it up today, they have
not been renewed yet.

1832
01:45:40,280 --> 01:45:42,560
Better be better to it.
I'm a need.

1833
01:45:42,920 --> 01:45:47,840
OK, so then I saw something fake
then because I saw like like

1834
01:45:48,560 --> 01:45:54,320
when stuff is coming out and I
was like, well that's a long

1835
01:45:54,320 --> 01:46:00,200
time because it said. 2027 is
when it's estimated season 2

1836
01:46:00,200 --> 01:46:01,160
would come out.
Right.

1837
01:46:01,160 --> 01:46:08,560
And that's what it said.
And then 2028 was season chapter

1838
01:46:08,560 --> 01:46:11,760
3.
And then the next year they

1839
01:46:11,760 --> 01:46:16,360
actually have it Chapter 3.
Oh, OK.

1840
01:46:16,800 --> 01:46:19,280
So I mean, because everything
was matching up because it show

1841
01:46:19,280 --> 01:46:22,960
went the other it's came out and
this when this came out and then

1842
01:46:22,960 --> 01:46:28,520
it said 2027 because I was like,
man, that's a year that it will

1843
01:46:28,520 --> 01:46:31,640
be.
And then what did it say summer?

1844
01:46:31,640 --> 01:46:35,680
One of them was summer and one
was sometime in 2027.

1845
01:46:36,120 --> 01:46:39,440
Now I do know that he he
apparently has an outline for

1846
01:46:39,440 --> 01:46:43,360
what he wants to do for seasons
2 and. 3 So I guess that's what

1847
01:46:43,360 --> 01:46:44,720
I saw.
There's an outline and then

1848
01:46:44,720 --> 01:46:48,640
thinking about a movie it like
it would because some stuff may

1849
01:46:48,640 --> 01:46:50,760
change.
Oh yeah.

1850
01:46:50,880 --> 01:46:55,000
Especially if he is able to go
back and change some stuff that

1851
01:46:55,000 --> 01:46:59,440
might, yeah.
And then he said his it's his

1852
01:46:59,480 --> 01:47:04,720
goal to not have to make us wait
very long if he can help, if he

1853
01:47:04,720 --> 01:47:06,840
can do that so.
Yeah.

1854
01:47:06,840 --> 01:47:10,280
And I mean, considering,
considering the way that TV

1855
01:47:10,280 --> 01:47:14,200
shows are nowadays, 2027 is not
really that far off.

1856
01:47:14,200 --> 01:47:17,640
I mean, we're literally halfway
through December 2025.

1857
01:47:17,800 --> 01:47:20,440
Yeah.
So 2027 is not that far off.

1858
01:47:20,440 --> 01:47:24,960
It's not like 2 years, three
years, four years, four years,

1859
01:47:25,000 --> 01:47:29,800
some shows.
So I I could do a 2027.

1860
01:47:29,800 --> 01:47:35,200
I just need them to not hold up.
Don't make us stoop on this.

1861
01:47:35,280 --> 01:47:38,440
If if we going, if we going to
get a second season, please let

1862
01:47:38,440 --> 01:47:39,520
us know.
We're going to get a second

1863
01:47:39,520 --> 01:47:42,800
season.
And then it says it, it says

1864
01:47:42,800 --> 01:47:46,680
summer.
If this is right, summer 2027.

1865
01:47:48,040 --> 01:47:50,680
And so they're talking about
that.

1866
01:47:50,680 --> 01:47:53,280
They rejected Paramount, so it's
definitely going to be Netflix.

1867
01:47:54,120 --> 01:47:57,720
And so I guess they might not
say things until after they've

1868
01:47:58,240 --> 01:48:01,560
finalized the merger.
The.

1869
01:48:01,600 --> 01:48:04,520
Money got to be right.
The money got to be right.

1870
01:48:04,520 --> 01:48:09,160
And first of all, Netflix, this
is this is their type of show.

1871
01:48:09,160 --> 01:48:11,920
So I think they'll be fine.
Yeah, 'cause I was going to say,

1872
01:48:11,920 --> 01:48:17,640
'cause I think isn't Mike is.
Is Mike Flanagan's Dark Tower

1873
01:48:17,640 --> 01:48:21,480
series going to be on Netflix?
I can't remember.

1874
01:48:21,760 --> 01:48:24,320
This Carrie one's coming out.
I need the Carrie.

1875
01:48:26,120 --> 01:48:28,120
It's coming out.
The lady's doing Carrie, too.

1876
01:48:28,600 --> 01:48:30,320
Yeah, Stranger Things
replacement.

1877
01:48:30,840 --> 01:48:34,880
OK, OK.
But yeah, I that.

1878
01:48:34,880 --> 01:48:37,680
One doesn't seem looking.
Forward too, because Mike

1879
01:48:37,680 --> 01:48:40,800
Flanagan, especially when it
comes to this type of horror,

1880
01:48:41,760 --> 01:48:45,480
Yeah, he's good.
So I I'm ready to see what he's

1881
01:48:45,480 --> 01:48:47,120
going to do with the Dark Tower
series.

1882
01:48:49,400 --> 01:48:51,200
Yeah.
So Carrie will be out next year.

1883
01:48:51,240 --> 01:48:54,160
I think it's miniseries.
OK, Yeah.

1884
01:48:54,600 --> 01:48:59,760
So can either can either Mike
Flanagan or the machetes can can

1885
01:48:59,760 --> 01:49:02,920
they go back and redo the stand
because I need to do over.

1886
01:49:04,920 --> 01:49:08,200
I think Anthony and I hate
watched that thing.

1887
01:49:08,520 --> 01:49:14,360
It was only 6 episodes but we
hate watched it because they

1888
01:49:14,360 --> 01:49:15,760
could have.
They could have just left it the

1889
01:49:15,760 --> 01:49:17,520
way it was.
They could have left it the way

1890
01:49:17,520 --> 01:49:18,680
it was.
They could have left it the way

1891
01:49:18,680 --> 01:49:21,880
it was so.
Nobody listens to those

1892
01:49:21,880 --> 01:49:26,040
podcasts.
If y'all can, if y'all can get

1893
01:49:26,760 --> 01:49:30,400
either or to do the stand again,
please let's do that.

1894
01:49:30,560 --> 01:49:33,520
Let's.
No, this is just leaving alone.

1895
01:49:33,520 --> 01:49:35,360
I don't.
I don't.

1896
01:49:35,360 --> 01:49:37,720
You know what?
I would actually be interested

1897
01:49:37,720 --> 01:49:40,320
to see what Mike Flanagan would
do with it.

1898
01:49:40,320 --> 01:49:41,240
Yeah.
He can do it.

1899
01:49:42,000 --> 01:49:44,120
No, it's just.
No, it's just, no, it's just

1900
01:49:44,360 --> 01:49:48,680
leave.
It but this was a great show and

1901
01:49:48,680 --> 01:49:51,600
I know there I've seen some
people have some complaints

1902
01:49:51,600 --> 01:49:55,200
about it.
I think I saw one complaint

1903
01:49:55,200 --> 01:49:58,560
about how everything just
conveniently kind of worked out

1904
01:49:58,560 --> 01:50:01,800
and I'm like, because we already
know what happens in the future,

1905
01:50:01,800 --> 01:50:03,880
so it's like for it to not right
it.

1906
01:50:04,840 --> 01:50:08,440
Kind of has to.
Yeah, but also just a little

1907
01:50:08,440 --> 01:50:10,160
bitty things that they did
change.

1908
01:50:10,240 --> 01:50:13,080
I didn't have a it didn't affect
the story for me.

1909
01:50:13,080 --> 01:50:17,080
Like the fact that the the years
were a little bit off, like I

1910
01:50:17,080 --> 01:50:21,560
think in the book, because I've
just started rereading it, it

1911
01:50:21,560 --> 01:50:26,400
was 58 when Georgie died.
So there.

1912
01:50:26,400 --> 01:50:30,160
Look, it's about a four year
difference, doesn't really

1913
01:50:30,160 --> 01:50:37,960
change too much, you know, so.
I mean, I, I have, I don't

1914
01:50:37,960 --> 01:50:44,680
really have any things, but like
I say, I really think it's

1915
01:50:44,680 --> 01:50:49,160
really hard to do something when
you already know how it ends.

1916
01:50:49,760 --> 01:50:53,800
Yeah.
I mean, so they did a good job

1917
01:50:53,800 --> 01:50:57,200
working within that framework
and come in with a lot of

1918
01:50:57,200 --> 01:51:00,560
original stuff that doesn't
really change the lore.

1919
01:51:01,120 --> 01:51:05,440
And after watching all these
YouTube videos I didn't realize

1920
01:51:05,440 --> 01:51:13,160
there was that much lore about
it and the Dark Tower and how

1921
01:51:13,160 --> 01:51:15,400
all that stuff is related.
Like.

1922
01:51:16,040 --> 01:51:19,600
All the same as part of the Dark
Tower universe, and I think I

1923
01:51:19,600 --> 01:51:24,400
said on the previous podcast
that was one thing I was not

1924
01:51:24,400 --> 01:51:27,560
going to get involved in was the
Dark Tower.

1925
01:51:28,040 --> 01:51:29,800
I just, I'm staying away from
it.

1926
01:51:29,800 --> 01:51:31,440
I'm going to continue to stay
away from it.

1927
01:51:31,880 --> 01:51:35,440
I know people rave about it,
people love it, but the Dark

1928
01:51:35,440 --> 01:51:39,800
Tower and HP Lovecraft, I'm just
leaving those things alone.

1929
01:51:39,880 --> 01:51:41,160
I don't want anything to do with
it.

1930
01:51:41,960 --> 01:51:45,720
See, I've read The Gunslinger
and I haven't read the others

1931
01:51:45,720 --> 01:51:48,920
because like I said, I got to a
point where I couldn't read

1932
01:51:48,920 --> 01:51:51,960
Stephen King for a while because
it was it was staying too much

1933
01:51:51,960 --> 01:51:54,200
in my head.
But I think I'm probably going

1934
01:51:54,200 --> 01:51:58,840
to revisit them, especially
since the series is coming out,

1935
01:51:58,840 --> 01:52:02,080
because I do kind of want to
have some knowledge.

1936
01:52:02,120 --> 01:52:06,760
And I believe, doesn't Randall
Flagg appear in the Dark Tower

1937
01:52:06,760 --> 01:52:08,440
series too?
Yes.

1938
01:52:08,440 --> 01:52:11,000
He's tied into that, too.
Yeah, that's when I found out

1939
01:52:11,000 --> 01:52:14,760
the stand was then you then you
find out that Stephen King

1940
01:52:14,760 --> 01:52:18,840
created the Dark Tower universe,
which all of his works fall into

1941
01:52:18,920 --> 01:52:20,480
the Dark Tower universe.
OK.

1942
01:52:21,040 --> 01:52:23,080
Oh my God.
And he connected it all.

1943
01:52:23,080 --> 01:52:27,120
So I'm just, I can't because
then I'll end up reading every

1944
01:52:27,120 --> 01:52:28,880
single Stephen King book and I
can't.

1945
01:52:29,960 --> 01:52:32,560
Like who has that kind of time?
I don't have that.

1946
01:52:32,840 --> 01:52:34,640
Time.
I have a whole bookshelf in my

1947
01:52:34,640 --> 01:52:38,160
bedroom that's got most of the
Stephen King stuff.

1948
01:52:38,960 --> 01:52:44,640
I think I have maybe five of the
Richard Bachman books that he

1949
01:52:44,640 --> 01:52:48,040
wrote under.
And then a few years ago at

1950
01:52:48,800 --> 01:52:52,040
Spirit Halloween, I was in
there.

1951
01:52:52,040 --> 01:52:55,120
It was right before Halloween,
so they had a whole bunch of

1952
01:52:55,120 --> 01:52:59,680
stuff on clearance and they had
this, and I think I paid like

1953
01:52:59,680 --> 01:53:05,080
$4.00 for it, but it's like a
newspaper article for it.

1954
01:53:06,440 --> 01:53:07,040
That's.
Cool.

1955
01:53:08,120 --> 01:53:12,440
Oh, that's kind of cool, yeah.
So it's like bodies of missing

1956
01:53:12,440 --> 01:53:14,360
kids found in dairy sewer
system.

1957
01:53:14,360 --> 01:53:17,600
So this would be after after it
is defeated.

1958
01:53:17,600 --> 01:53:19,640
That's when they, you know, when
they found the kids.

1959
01:53:19,640 --> 01:53:22,320
So yeah, I was like, oh, I'm
going to get this.

1960
01:53:22,320 --> 01:53:25,720
So it's sitting on top of my
Stephen King bookcase and I

1961
01:53:25,720 --> 01:53:29,000
usually have my copy of it
sitting right next to it, but

1962
01:53:29,000 --> 01:53:31,240
it's sitting on my night stand
now because I want to start

1963
01:53:31,680 --> 01:53:37,080
rereading it.
But yeah, I, I may try to get

1964
01:53:37,240 --> 01:53:40,320
into the Dark Tower books maybe
next year.

1965
01:53:40,320 --> 01:53:42,400
I don't know.
There's there are several things

1966
01:53:42,400 --> 01:53:46,760
that I do want to try to read,
especially before movies or TV

1967
01:53:46,760 --> 01:53:49,000
shows come out.
I think the one I really want to

1968
01:53:49,000 --> 01:53:52,680
focus on, I really, really,
really, really, really need to

1969
01:53:52,680 --> 01:53:56,800
go back and reread the Odyssey
because it's been a damn long

1970
01:53:56,800 --> 01:53:59,480
time.
And I'm, I kind of want to see

1971
01:53:59,880 --> 01:54:01,960
what Christopher Nolan is about
to do with that.

1972
01:54:01,960 --> 01:54:05,280
But yeah, the, the Stephen King
stuff.

1973
01:54:05,320 --> 01:54:10,440
I, I wouldn't mind seeing the
stand redone, right?

1974
01:54:11,160 --> 01:54:15,520
If if they can do it just just
to get the the bad taste of that

1975
01:54:15,520 --> 01:54:25,280
other one out my mouth because
that just it it just it just it

1976
01:54:25,280 --> 01:54:29,480
just was not.
No, just no.

1977
01:54:29,680 --> 01:54:36,200
It was not good, but I don't
know I, I, I enjoyed this I I'm

1978
01:54:36,200 --> 01:54:40,760
ready for season 2.
Don't make us wait too long for

1979
01:54:40,760 --> 01:54:42,280
it, y'all.
That's right.

1980
01:54:42,520 --> 01:54:46,040
Give us, give us a renewal, give
us something to hold on to

1981
01:54:46,040 --> 01:54:49,160
because that's the.
Truth like don't make us lose

1982
01:54:49,200 --> 01:54:53,160
interest.
You know what, with as good as

1983
01:54:53,160 --> 01:54:57,040
this one was, I won't lose
interest but y'all will piss me

1984
01:54:57,040 --> 01:54:59,360
off.
Like I don't want to have to

1985
01:54:59,360 --> 01:55:01,480
wait two and three and four
years.

1986
01:55:01,480 --> 01:55:05,960
Like Stranger Things is lucky
that it is so good because other

1987
01:55:05,960 --> 01:55:08,600
than that I'd have given up on
it a long time ago.

1988
01:55:09,600 --> 01:55:11,720
Definitely.
Yeah, I mean, that is true.

1989
01:55:12,840 --> 01:55:18,640
Because I mean, I feel like with
the way that they've spaced how,

1990
01:55:18,760 --> 01:55:21,520
how often it comes out, I really
thought I was like, I'm going to

1991
01:55:21,520 --> 01:55:25,520
be retirement age by the time
this last season comes out.

1992
01:55:26,760 --> 01:55:30,480
I mean, yeah.
So I mean, stranger things.

1993
01:55:30,880 --> 01:55:33,720
Luckily we found out the House
of the Dragon is coming back

1994
01:55:33,720 --> 01:55:37,120
next year.
That one wasn't quite as long.

1995
01:55:37,120 --> 01:55:38,800
I think that was like 2 1/2
years.

1996
01:55:38,800 --> 01:55:40,440
But still it's like.
That's crazy.

1997
01:55:40,720 --> 01:55:44,720
I just want to go back to work.
TV days where we were getting 22

1998
01:55:44,720 --> 01:55:48,320
episodes of season every fall
like clockwork.

1999
01:55:49,480 --> 01:55:53,040
They're like, but they're also
not paying people that that kind

2000
01:55:53,040 --> 01:55:58,080
of money anymore either, so.
But it can still be, I'm sorry,

2001
01:55:58,080 --> 01:56:03,560
it can still be once a year,
especially if you're not heavy,

2002
01:56:04,000 --> 01:56:08,440
if you're not heavy CGI.
And and like 30 million episodes

2003
01:56:08,560 --> 01:56:09,800
you can really.
You do?

2004
01:56:10,000 --> 01:56:11,800
Yeah.
You're doing 6 to 8.

2005
01:56:12,440 --> 01:56:14,280
And we was getting Game of
Thrones every year.

2006
01:56:14,280 --> 01:56:17,120
So I don't know.
They decided to do this weird

2007
01:56:17,160 --> 01:56:19,840
two and three-year period for
six episodes.

2008
01:56:20,040 --> 01:56:22,560
And and there was Dragons.
Yeah.

2009
01:56:23,200 --> 01:56:27,160
So now also pre COVID a lot of
things changed.

2010
01:56:27,160 --> 01:56:29,480
After COVID changed a lot of
things.

2011
01:56:30,400 --> 01:56:33,000
Yeah.
It did, but I know they feel

2012
01:56:33,000 --> 01:56:37,280
like now it's money so but it's
driving me crazy.

2013
01:56:37,600 --> 01:56:41,760
Yeah, me too, because I'm like,
like you said, I mean, if if you

2014
01:56:41,760 --> 01:56:47,360
think about it, Daryl Dixon, we
we've gotten that every year,

2015
01:56:47,880 --> 01:56:50,080
even though, yeah, there's no
CGI in that.

2016
01:56:50,080 --> 01:56:54,240
But still, it's kind of like
y'all doing 6 episodes Dead

2017
01:56:54,240 --> 01:56:58,160
City, y'all, y'all got some.
Y'all don't have a lot of CGI.

2018
01:56:58,160 --> 01:57:01,280
Y'all have a lot of practical
effects because y'all y'all are

2019
01:57:01,280 --> 01:57:06,600
actually using walkers and y'all
using some CGI but but not much.

2020
01:57:06,600 --> 01:57:08,680
But we're getting that show
every year.

2021
01:57:09,040 --> 01:57:12,400
Yeah, but Bridgeton, you know I
missed that last time.

2022
01:57:12,880 --> 01:57:14,920
Yeah, we, yeah, we talked about
that.

2023
01:57:14,920 --> 01:57:17,800
So, so I don't know.
But hopefully they won't make us

2024
01:57:17,800 --> 01:57:21,960
wait for too long with this one
because this this show was

2025
01:57:22,320 --> 01:57:29,240
really, really good.
And they, yeah, it, it really

2026
01:57:29,240 --> 01:57:35,400
has renew my interest in in the
IT Lord and in this universe.

2027
01:57:35,400 --> 01:57:38,640
Like, I really do want to go
back and read the book and watch

2028
01:57:38,640 --> 01:57:42,040
these movies and kind of connect
the dots and see what I missed

2029
01:57:42,040 --> 01:57:44,920
or what I've forgotten because
again, I haven't read it in

2030
01:57:45,440 --> 01:57:48,040
maybe almost 30 years.
So yeah.

2031
01:57:49,160 --> 01:57:52,280
I think I did like three or four
years ago.

2032
01:57:52,520 --> 01:57:56,440
Yeah, maybe we'll do a follow
up.

2033
01:57:56,440 --> 01:57:59,000
If we end up reading a book,
we'll do a follow up or watch

2034
01:57:59,000 --> 01:58:02,120
the movies and just kind of, you
know, just talk about how they

2035
01:58:02,120 --> 01:58:07,840
connect and what we hope to see
when they discussed 1935 and

2036
01:58:07,840 --> 01:58:11,280
then nineteen O 8.
Because I think that would be

2037
01:58:11,280 --> 01:58:16,720
really interesting to see what
stories they pull because of

2038
01:58:16,720 --> 01:58:19,360
course we're not going to get
the kids from this season and

2039
01:58:19,360 --> 01:58:23,240
the next season unless they
happen to do a flash forward

2040
01:58:23,240 --> 01:58:25,440
type thing.
Like, you know, they showed us

2041
01:58:25,440 --> 01:58:29,840
the picture of Richie Tozer in
this one, just kind of pulling

2042
01:58:29,840 --> 01:58:31,640
him back.
So maybe they'll do something

2043
01:58:31,640 --> 01:58:35,120
like that.
But we're we're done with this

2044
01:58:35,120 --> 01:58:39,120
group of losers.
But I I like them.

2045
01:58:39,160 --> 01:58:41,320
I did.
They had they had some issues in

2046
01:58:41,320 --> 01:58:44,800
the beginning, some more than
others, but I like this group of

2047
01:58:44,800 --> 01:58:47,160
kids.
They were really good group.

2048
01:58:47,200 --> 01:58:50,960
They acted very well.
Again, Rich.

2049
01:58:51,720 --> 01:58:53,320
Hands down my favorite
character.

2050
01:58:53,320 --> 01:59:01,880
Like no no contest.
And Hank, Grogan and Patty were

2051
01:59:01,880 --> 01:59:05,640
probably my least favorite.
And Frank?

2052
01:59:05,680 --> 01:59:14,160
More so than saw.
I would not tolerate.

2053
01:59:14,200 --> 01:59:20,200
Hank slammed her.
So, so the thing with Shaw is he

2054
01:59:20,280 --> 01:59:24,680
got on my nerves, but I at least
saw where he was coming from.

2055
01:59:24,680 --> 01:59:28,840
I, I knew what he was doing and
I expected it for the type of

2056
01:59:28,840 --> 01:59:30,960
person he was.
I expected it.

2057
01:59:30,960 --> 01:59:33,160
I wasn't expecting anything
less.

2058
01:59:33,600 --> 01:59:39,200
Hank being a father again.
This thing, this thing that is a

2059
01:59:39,200 --> 01:59:43,120
monster, that is just like a a
clown that skipped to Malouin

2060
01:59:43,120 --> 01:59:46,600
down the river towards your
daughter and you just standing

2061
01:59:46,600 --> 01:59:49,720
there with a gun in your hand.
And he did the same exact thing

2062
01:59:49,720 --> 01:59:52,320
in the fire.
So it was not helpful.

2063
01:59:52,640 --> 01:59:55,480
He ran, yeah.
Yeah, I'm doing that.

2064
01:59:55,480 --> 01:59:58,200
What I'm saying he did the same
exact thing about you, have

2065
01:59:58,200 --> 02:00:00,360
Ronnie running around looking
for her dad.

2066
02:00:00,600 --> 02:00:04,040
Yeah.
Yeah, so, so, yeah, I just,

2067
02:00:04,240 --> 02:00:07,920
yeah, Shaw, I can understand.
I can, I can see even though I

2068
02:00:07,920 --> 02:00:11,800
think he was dumb and I think he
he got what he deserved.

2069
02:00:11,800 --> 02:00:16,320
And I'm so glad that they didn't
do a whole like, you know, they

2070
02:00:16,440 --> 02:00:19,280
they did the connection with him
and Rose in the beginning.

2071
02:00:19,280 --> 02:00:22,960
And you could kind of see he
still kind of had that interest

2072
02:00:22,960 --> 02:00:25,040
because when she walked into his
office, you know, he

2073
02:00:25,040 --> 02:00:26,600
straightened up.
He button his jacket.

2074
02:00:26,600 --> 02:00:28,880
Hey, Rose.
I was like, they better not do

2075
02:00:28,880 --> 02:00:30,120
it.
They better not do it.

2076
02:00:30,760 --> 02:00:33,040
They may not do it, and I'm glad
they didn't because Rose

2077
02:00:33,040 --> 02:00:36,320
deserves better.
So yeah.

2078
02:00:36,960 --> 02:00:43,560
But I mean, I knew what?
I knew what he was about when he

2079
02:00:43,560 --> 02:00:47,080
started looking for this thing
and he was telling people, oh,

2080
02:00:47,080 --> 02:00:50,280
yeah, we're doing this.
Oh, yeah, we're we're we're

2081
02:00:50,600 --> 02:00:53,840
doing water pipelines.
Whatever bullshit excuse he gave

2082
02:00:53,840 --> 02:00:57,080
to Rose, and then whatever he
told Leroy, I was like, he's not

2083
02:00:57,080 --> 02:00:59,000
being true for he's going to do
something stupid.

2084
02:00:59,000 --> 02:01:01,280
So I expected it.
So no, he's not my least

2085
02:01:01,280 --> 02:01:03,440
favorite character because I
knew what to expect from his

2086
02:01:03,440 --> 02:01:04,960
character.
It was coming.

2087
02:01:04,960 --> 02:01:10,240
I knew it.
So, yeah, I think even even with

2088
02:01:10,280 --> 02:01:14,920
Ingrid, like she did some dumb
stuff, she cost a lot of lives.

2089
02:01:14,920 --> 02:01:19,680
But especially once that reveal
came that Pennywise was her dad

2090
02:01:19,680 --> 02:01:23,320
or that, you know, Pennywise
took her dad, I wasn't expecting

2091
02:01:23,320 --> 02:01:27,480
nothing different from her.
I knew she was going cuckoo for

2092
02:01:27,480 --> 02:01:32,040
Cocoa Puffs because Because if
you can sit here, like you said,

2093
02:01:32,040 --> 02:01:35,360
Anthony, if you can sit here and
and watch or listen to this

2094
02:01:35,360 --> 02:01:40,320
thing, munch on a child, you
hear bones crunching and you

2095
02:01:40,480 --> 02:01:47,520
still like PPP Papa.
So you I expected it from her.

2096
02:01:47,760 --> 02:01:50,600
So she's she's not my least
favorite and she did exactly

2097
02:01:50,600 --> 02:01:56,400
what I expected her to do.
Yeah, I like Will a lot.

2098
02:01:56,520 --> 02:01:58,640
I thought he was.
He had heart.

2099
02:02:00,760 --> 02:02:04,680
I thought that him being the
child of a military man, a

2100
02:02:04,680 --> 02:02:09,120
hardcore military man, doesn't,
you know, dropped out of the sky

2101
02:02:09,120 --> 02:02:12,200
and burned up in a plane crash
and just crazy stuff that's

2102
02:02:12,200 --> 02:02:14,720
happened to him.
And him being the kid who kind

2103
02:02:14,720 --> 02:02:17,360
of stuck to his guns.
He was a little nerd, little

2104
02:02:17,360 --> 02:02:20,200
science geek and I and I and he
just loved it.

2105
02:02:20,200 --> 02:02:22,960
He found some friends and he
went hardcore for his friends

2106
02:02:22,960 --> 02:02:24,320
because he finally found
friends.

2107
02:02:24,320 --> 02:02:26,960
I thought he was the sweetest
little thing and him and Rich

2108
02:02:26,960 --> 02:02:34,600
made such a good friendship.
I also kind of really liked the

2109
02:02:34,600 --> 02:02:38,520
fact that Ronnie was kind of no
nonsense, even though she did

2110
02:02:38,520 --> 02:02:43,640
like annoy me for being so like
about some things, like no, just

2111
02:02:43,640 --> 02:02:47,200
sit and listen and and learn and
follow what's happening.

2112
02:02:47,560 --> 02:02:49,680
But I liked her because I like
that she did.

2113
02:02:49,680 --> 02:02:51,760
She didn't take no smack.
Yeah.

2114
02:02:52,240 --> 02:02:55,520
You know, it's hard being a a
child without a without your,

2115
02:02:55,920 --> 02:02:57,920
you know, your parent being
there, especially your mom and

2116
02:02:57,920 --> 02:03:01,680
your girl and your and raised up
by your grandma, who she know

2117
02:03:01,680 --> 02:03:05,640
grandma sitting there watching
that story, baby watching.

2118
02:03:05,720 --> 02:03:10,280
Her stories while her while her
granddaughter's just off, you

2119
02:03:10,280 --> 02:03:13,680
know, killing clowns and and
doing all this other kind of

2120
02:03:13,680 --> 02:03:15,720
stuff.
So, yeah, yeah.

2121
02:03:16,080 --> 02:03:18,520
So I definitely, I liked her
character because I just think

2122
02:03:18,520 --> 02:03:22,040
that, you know, I think also
because I've seen a lot of

2123
02:03:22,040 --> 02:03:25,040
people too, it's really
frustrating because she, you

2124
02:03:25,040 --> 02:03:28,280
know, she's a young black girl
and she's not a pushover and

2125
02:03:28,280 --> 02:03:32,120
she's not, you know, weak minded
for the most part.

2126
02:03:32,120 --> 02:03:36,960
And she's not little whiny weak
like Lily was being.

2127
02:03:37,400 --> 02:03:40,040
You know how people always have
this attitude towards black

2128
02:03:40,040 --> 02:03:43,880
women who are oh, like, oh, girl
in eyes and she's the villain

2129
02:03:43,880 --> 02:03:45,640
and she's the this and duh, duh,
duh.

2130
02:03:46,040 --> 02:03:48,480
And even for Charlotte, like, I
don't think Charlotte was a

2131
02:03:48,480 --> 02:03:50,920
villain, but I saw somebody
write something up about her and

2132
02:03:50,920 --> 02:03:53,880
I was just like, see, I get
tired of people acting this way

2133
02:03:53,880 --> 02:03:56,800
towards black women because
black women tend to be stronger

2134
02:03:57,680 --> 02:04:00,880
than their counterparts.
And we tend to have more of a

2135
02:04:00,880 --> 02:04:04,920
like you, not you not doing me
like this kind of attitude, you

2136
02:04:04,920 --> 02:04:07,040
know?
And I get tired of people being

2137
02:04:07,040 --> 02:04:09,400
angry about that, like, because
they want they want them to be

2138
02:04:09,400 --> 02:04:11,640
weak and follow every little
thing.

2139
02:04:11,680 --> 02:04:13,680
No, because sometimes you got to
ask questions.

2140
02:04:13,680 --> 02:04:17,040
Sometimes you got to say Nah,
step back and buck against the

2141
02:04:17,040 --> 02:04:19,600
system like you.
See, that was my struggle at the

2142
02:04:19,600 --> 02:04:23,080
beginning because I was like, I
like the fact that she's strong.

2143
02:04:23,240 --> 02:04:24,840
I like the fact that she's
assertive.

2144
02:04:25,240 --> 02:04:29,880
But also, girl, look at what
time you're in and where you are

2145
02:04:29,880 --> 02:04:32,520
and the fact that you doing all
this stuff and you don't like.

2146
02:04:32,920 --> 02:04:37,600
It would be different if you
grew up in Derry and you knew

2147
02:04:37,600 --> 02:04:40,120
that there were some people yet,
like, yeah, you still going to

2148
02:04:40,120 --> 02:04:41,720
have your races, whatever,
whatever.

2149
02:04:41,960 --> 02:04:45,880
But at least if you had some
kind of community or somebody

2150
02:04:45,880 --> 02:04:48,160
who's going to have your back,
Like if you and Rose had been

2151
02:04:48,160 --> 02:04:52,760
friends already at that point
and started causing trouble,

2152
02:04:53,000 --> 02:04:55,600
then I would have felt a little
bit better because at least you

2153
02:04:55,600 --> 02:04:58,680
have somebody to help you.
But you doing all this stuff,

2154
02:04:58,680 --> 02:05:01,560
you have nobody.
That was the thing that was

2155
02:05:01,560 --> 02:05:04,920
bothering me.
Girl, Get your put your feet in

2156
02:05:04,920 --> 02:05:09,400
the ground first, kind of get
your your footing before you do

2157
02:05:09,400 --> 02:05:12,560
all this other stuff because
that was my worry.

2158
02:05:12,800 --> 02:05:15,320
Yeah, and that's the thing,
like, yeah, that's totally,

2159
02:05:15,760 --> 02:05:18,240
that's totally, you know, like,
I get that.

2160
02:05:18,440 --> 02:05:20,800
I just mean the people who are
just like, oh, she's a real

2161
02:05:20,800 --> 02:05:22,760
villain because.
She did this and she did.

2162
02:05:22,760 --> 02:05:26,320
That and I'm like.
No, the real villain is ain't

2163
02:05:26,320 --> 02:05:32,080
Grogan.
Oh my God, I I liked a lot of

2164
02:05:32,080 --> 02:05:33,800
things about the show.
The kids were great.

2165
02:05:35,160 --> 02:05:39,560
I just think Bill Skarsgard has
got to win some kind of award.

2166
02:05:40,160 --> 02:05:42,760
Has too.
It's a horrible.

2167
02:05:42,920 --> 02:05:44,440
Phenomenal.
Right.

2168
02:05:44,440 --> 02:05:47,800
They don't really.
But he he really deserves it

2169
02:05:47,800 --> 02:05:51,480
because if you watch a lot of
the behind the scenes stuff, he

2170
02:05:51,480 --> 02:05:54,040
did a lot of practical stuff,
yes.

2171
02:05:54,400 --> 02:05:56,560
Like being on top.
Of that refrigerator.

2172
02:05:56,640 --> 02:06:01,440
Yeah, a lot of that stuff was
practical and he he looked like

2173
02:06:01,440 --> 02:06:04,320
he really was into it.
He really enjoyed it.

2174
02:06:04,400 --> 02:06:09,480
It looked like he was having fun
and he's scary and even his

2175
02:06:09,480 --> 02:06:14,480
interviews I'm like, I'm waiting
for Pennywise to come out so.

2176
02:06:14,480 --> 02:06:16,680
But it's so funny because.
I'm giving him a lot of credit.

2177
02:06:16,680 --> 02:06:20,960
For that, he's he's, he's scary.
And then as soon as they yell

2178
02:06:20,960 --> 02:06:23,320
cut, he's making sure the kids
are OK.

2179
02:06:23,880 --> 02:06:25,920
I love that.
I was like, I like this.

2180
02:06:25,920 --> 02:06:28,520
So it's funny because they're
like, yeah, it's so weird.

2181
02:06:28,520 --> 02:06:31,200
Like we're, we're at the craft
table and you see Pennywise

2182
02:06:31,200 --> 02:06:33,760
sitting over there like I can't
even imagine.

2183
02:06:34,680 --> 02:06:38,480
One of them, one of them said
he, he did, he was doing

2184
02:06:38,480 --> 02:06:41,240
something in the scene and he,
he was really beat, you know,

2185
02:06:41,240 --> 02:06:45,000
freaking out or whatever.
And then when they said cut, I

2186
02:06:45,000 --> 02:06:47,960
think it was Rich, Rich or one
of them, he looked at him and he

2187
02:06:47,960 --> 02:06:52,520
was like, man, you are so good.
Because he was trying to see if

2188
02:06:52,520 --> 02:06:54,640
the kid was OK.
And the kid was like, wow,

2189
02:06:54,640 --> 02:06:56,760
you're really good.
But the kid was sitting there

2190
02:06:56,760 --> 02:06:59,600
screaming Oh my God, Oh my God.
Cut.

2191
02:07:00,960 --> 02:07:04,520
Man, you're really good at that.
And then he said they had him,

2192
02:07:04,520 --> 02:07:09,200
threw him off a little bit.
I'm sure he's like, wait, what?

2193
02:07:11,480 --> 02:07:18,080
Yeah, he, he, he deserves awards
for this because he has elevated

2194
02:07:18,080 --> 02:07:23,440
Pennywise just in a way I was
not expecting.

2195
02:07:23,440 --> 02:07:28,040
Like, yes, Pennywise is scary.
He is in some ways humorous,

2196
02:07:28,040 --> 02:07:31,120
like even the little humorous TC
did in this one.

2197
02:07:31,520 --> 02:07:34,080
You know, when he was like tough
crowd right before he

2198
02:07:34,080 --> 02:07:39,960
disintegrated.
And then when he came out of the

2199
02:07:40,080 --> 02:07:43,280
the illusion that Dick had, he
was like tricky, Tricky Dicky,

2200
02:07:43,760 --> 02:07:49,240
just, you know, just being funny
without it being overly funny,

2201
02:07:49,280 --> 02:07:51,520
but enough for you to be like,
OK, you know what?

2202
02:07:52,520 --> 02:07:59,040
Tim Curry will always have a
place in my heart as Penny Wise,

2203
02:08:00,120 --> 02:08:09,040
but Bill Skarsgard took it to a
whole new level and and it's

2204
02:08:09,160 --> 02:08:12,480
it's now it's going to be hard
to not be iconic.

2205
02:08:12,840 --> 02:08:14,960
Right.
When people talk about scary

2206
02:08:14,960 --> 02:08:19,680
clowns, they're not going to
talk about Ed Dean or, you know,

2207
02:08:20,880 --> 02:08:22,800
the terrorizer.
They're going to.

2208
02:08:22,800 --> 02:08:25,400
They're going to talk about
Pennywise.

2209
02:08:25,400 --> 02:08:30,040
Yeah, yeah.
And I mean, and I don't think, I

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02:08:30,040 --> 02:08:32,800
don't think we necessarily have
to say 1 is better than the

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02:08:32,840 --> 02:08:35,360
other.
Tim Curry did a phenomenal job

2212
02:08:35,880 --> 02:08:40,600
with it for the time.
Because also a lot of the stuff

2213
02:08:40,600 --> 02:08:44,920
that we see now, they, they
couldn't do some of that stuff

2214
02:08:45,120 --> 02:08:50,680
back then, you know, and I, I
think that's one of the things

2215
02:08:50,680 --> 02:08:54,040
about remakes and stuff like
sometimes, yes, I get tired of

2216
02:08:54,040 --> 02:08:56,840
singing remakes.
But if you have a way to elevate

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02:08:56,840 --> 02:09:03,880
the story and you do it right, I
don't have a problem with it.

2218
02:09:04,000 --> 02:09:06,720
Like this was done right.
Yeah.

2219
02:09:07,680 --> 02:09:10,920
They really took, they really
took the characters of the story

2220
02:09:11,600 --> 02:09:16,000
and and they kind of, you know,
they they raised the stakes, but

2221
02:09:16,000 --> 02:09:22,960
also they stayed true to the, to
the Canon love of this story.

2222
02:09:23,000 --> 02:09:26,840
And then they added stuff to it
that enhanced it without taking

2223
02:09:26,840 --> 02:09:29,840
away from what Stephen King
originally wrote.

2224
02:09:31,240 --> 02:09:35,560
And I love that when you can do
that and still keep the heart of

2225
02:09:35,560 --> 02:09:40,080
the story, keep, still keep the
core of the story that that's a

2226
02:09:40,080 --> 02:09:45,360
win for everybody.
So yeah.

2227
02:09:47,120 --> 02:09:49,240
You guys have any final thoughts
about it?

2228
02:09:49,320 --> 02:09:53,080
Welcome to Dairy.
Renew it now.

2229
02:09:54,480 --> 02:09:57,320
Now.
And you know, we.

2230
02:09:58,040 --> 02:10:00,280
Yeah.
Where were you at?

2231
02:10:00,280 --> 02:10:03,120
The show is one of the best
shows of the year.

2232
02:10:03,920 --> 02:10:05,520
Agreed.
Agreed.

2233
02:10:06,080 --> 02:10:09,520
Agreed, and say the best because
Stranger Things is floating

2234
02:10:09,520 --> 02:10:13,120
around out there.
Somewhere, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2235
02:10:13,400 --> 02:10:15,560
But it is.
It is one of the best.

2236
02:10:16,000 --> 02:10:22,240
I mean wow wow.
Like it did not have a bad

2237
02:10:22,240 --> 02:10:24,680
episode.
No.

2238
02:10:25,480 --> 02:10:28,840
Drawing in to the story.
Yeah, I can't say which one was

2239
02:10:28,840 --> 02:10:30,680
my favorite because they were
all great.

2240
02:10:30,680 --> 02:10:33,640
I.
Don't know, I would definitely

2241
02:10:33,640 --> 02:10:41,640
say the last two are in that top
2, but it I I think top episode.

2242
02:10:42,360 --> 02:10:47,400
I think I would I think I must
say the black spot simp, and

2243
02:10:47,400 --> 02:10:55,000
that is mainly due to rich the
the way that that young actor

2244
02:10:55,720 --> 02:10:59,080
like he acted his ass off in
that episode.

2245
02:10:59,080 --> 02:11:02,720
And I think that I think that
pushes it over the top for me.

2246
02:11:04,400 --> 02:11:07,320
And then just kind of the way
that they wrapped the story up

2247
02:11:07,320 --> 02:11:10,880
and, and kind of gave us a
little bit background in this

2248
02:11:10,880 --> 02:11:14,560
last episode.
That makes it second for me.

2249
02:11:14,560 --> 02:11:19,760
As far as the other ones, I, I
don't know, I, I honestly maybe

2250
02:11:19,760 --> 02:11:23,520
the first one just because of
how scary it was and how it's

2251
02:11:23,520 --> 02:11:26,320
like you literally open the show
with what the fuck?

2252
02:11:26,320 --> 02:11:29,400
And you end the show, the
episode with what the fuck?

2253
02:11:29,400 --> 02:11:34,280
And it's just kind of like, if
this is where y'all start, where

2254
02:11:34,280 --> 02:11:38,000
are y'all going from here?
And I, and I really think they

2255
02:11:38,000 --> 02:11:41,440
kept that momentum with the rest
of the show.

2256
02:11:41,920 --> 02:11:43,240
Yeah, so.
Yeah.

2257
02:11:43,240 --> 02:11:45,000
And it wasn't just horror and
gore.

2258
02:11:45,000 --> 02:11:47,680
It was hard.
It was beautiful.

2259
02:11:47,680 --> 02:11:51,760
Like story and family and and
not lore.

2260
02:11:51,760 --> 02:11:55,400
And I like all the different
people involved.

2261
02:11:55,440 --> 02:11:57,400
Not, you know, it was, it was.
Yeah, it.

2262
02:11:58,160 --> 02:11:59,600
Was good.
Yeah, it's good.

2263
02:12:00,560 --> 02:12:05,440
So, like Dana said, hurry up and
renew the show.

2264
02:12:05,960 --> 02:12:08,840
Right.
Now and on that note, that is it

2265
02:12:08,840 --> 02:12:10,920
for our show.
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2266
02:12:10,920 --> 02:12:15,040
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2267
02:12:15,040 --> 02:12:16,600
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2268
02:12:16,840 --> 02:12:19,960
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2269
02:12:19,960 --> 02:12:22,560
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2270
02:12:22,560 --> 02:12:25,000
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2271
02:12:25,320 --> 02:12:26,840
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