IT: Welcome to Derry (Season 1 Episode 8) - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #389

0:25 What's up hybrids? Welcome back to another episode of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast. This is Hanukkah and I am here with Anthony, Michelle and Dina and we are discussing the absolutely phenomenal season finale for It's Welcome to Dairy. That is how you do a season finale. Other shows need to take notes. That is how you do a season finale. Yes, you do. OK, I have 3. Things come on all. Right here we go. Here's your 3. Three things. Number one, I will never look at school assembly is the same way again. OK, it was given Carrie. That motherfucker know how to make an interest, don't he?

1:08 #2 How many snacks do you need for the road? I'm just saying how many stacks do you need for the river? You don't know where you're going, so you just want to make sure. That's. Why I'm awake. I'm gonna go and hand pack me a light lunch. And #3 I forgot the actress's name who played Lily, but her impression of Frodo no, of Gollum and the Precious was just too much for me. I I almost lost it, almost lost my precious. Yeah, and. We can share the load, I don't know. Marcus Park Like maybe we need to take turns, OK, right. We're not going nowhere.

1:58 I'm like, thank you, Hermione, Cause right, that's what I was thinking. I was like, Oh my God. It's so hard, Crux, yeah. And Lily is the run of the. Those are those are my three things. I have one more but we can save it for later. OK, OK, so this we going to start all the way from the beginning when this fog is coming in. I'm sorry, maybe it's just because it was all the white folks. And I'm saying this very I'm I'm joking a lot, but I'm not if it were black.

2:43 Folks. We've seen that shit, and we'd have. Ran right. And I mean, it was definitely giving the miss, right? How I feel about the miss. I feel very strong about the miss. I'm moving away from the miss. It was this right and then someone left their baby stroller just rolling. I hope the baby wasn't in the stroller. I think that was they just walked with the Mama who was holding the baby and she was standing there turning around trying to figure out which way she needed to go. OK. And then that shoulder kept on going, OK. But it's crazy because these people are under the duck and cover times of like nuclear war pending and all this other stuff. And you see this coming, and you're just like, oh. What is that?

3:30 But he does have hypnotic, you know, ashwagandha in the air, OK. And I didn't say marijuana, but some ashwagandha in the air. So they're just feeling like, oh, it's just the fog that comes in off the ocean. That's what it is. It's killing the leaves, clearly. Yeah, but it's OK the. Minute I walked out of my Barber shop and saw that before it got to me. I don't know. I don't know how far that that the reach of that stuff is and how far it's going to mess with your mind before it actually gets to you. I would have turned around and be like, Nope, I would just took off running just somewhere, anywhere, because obviously walking into the buildings didn't help him. Yeah, you know, but I.

4:28 Mean. Well, and this was the so this was the crazy thing about all that, because I was like, he's really just using that as a literal smokescreen for the adults, because except for the two adults that got well, 123 adults that got in his way at the school, touched the adults even when he came on the intercom and he, you know, as the principal and he was like, school is dismissed for the day. Upperclassmen, you can leave. The rest of you come to the. I was like, yeah, he don't want anybody. That's that's. Probably. No word. Yeah. So it must be something. Maybe he, I, I don't know, 'cause I was going to say we know he can affect the adults.

5:12 But I guess going back to what you said a couple episodes ago, Anthony, the fear doesn't excite him from the adults as much as it does for the kids. I think the fear for the for the adults, he finds that humorous. He finds it hilarious because we see he got us, he got a weird sense of humor. But when it comes to the kids, that's what gets him high, you know? Yeah, some someone I had read somewhere, someone said, well, the difference is like the fear of the kids is like fear is like raw fear, just plain fear. Adult fear is like, how am I going to make my next bill payment? You know the feed is not. The same like how you manifest that, like you just gonna throw some bills at me in my e-mail and throw that by.

5:56 Door starve off of that because bills bills, bills, bills. Right and then at that point you don't like they don't even taste that great. I'd rather the kid who just scared them like a zombie boy. They better taste it right Or like my. Seeds gonna get cut off tomorrow. The darker the meat. Oh my God. OK, so let me ask this question. Did anybody else get offended by that? Because I didn't, but apparently a lot. Of people did. Oh, a lot of people did. I didn't get offended because I'm like clearly he's that type of person. Like y'all missed the whole. Point of Penny Wise, yeah, offended by that because this was my thing. People got offended that he said, oh, I can't believe he said that.

6:39 I saw somebody was like, they need to throw him under the jail. I said, but y'all didn't have no problems with anybody calling Lily Looney, Lily Bainbridge talking about mental health. Y'all had no problems with the Patty case, calling Rich, Ricky Ricardo, Junior or anything else that was kind of like that or? You know, just eating children. Yeah, that's it. First of all, he's an alien. He's an alien child murderer. But that is OK. But then it's like, but then really, what are you offended by? Because we walk around and say that. Oh yeah. Because you know. Doctor The.

7:19 Bear the Jews. But then it says it. Can you offend it? Why? Because you thought you can get away from him? No, he he loves all the races. He probably heard it getting in. Somebody's head. Yeah, You know what I'm saying? You love them all. And this is. Not the books, because in the books they say the N word very, very freely. Yeah, he didn't say that. And I looked at it as you know, he was doing the he was doing these things to provoke these specific children and we find out late why later, but I feel like he was really trying to provoke Leroy. And how you going to provoke a black man whose child is oh, say some shit like that.

8:05 I was like he said, I said, oh, you just don't know Leroy about the whoop your ass. It's. About to go down. Right. So I took it for what it was. Like it was supposed to piss Leroy off. Pennywise is offensive. He says things that are out of pocket and he doesn't. There's there's. Nippy indefensive about it it it's whole purpose is to either upset you and make you scared like. Yeah, like, oh, did you just talk about my child or wait, did you just threaten to eat my child? Eat the way it goes. I don't care. The intended effects.

8:46 Yeah, but that's also the thing too. It's been because it's been a lot of the, you know, which is true, that typically in these types of movies, the real monster or the scariest thing is not the monster itself, but the racist. And that's very true. But, and I think that that's they had separated him from that type of evil. Yeah. And so I think for some people it's him jumping over it. My thing is he's been eating racist. So what does he got inside him? You know what I'm saying? Like he, he got that inside him. He is equal opportunity. But he but he's also like we said before, he going to say something to get under your skin, right?

9:28 So what do you want him to say? You want you want him to be polite? This man said Do you? Is it the face on my face? The face. On my face. The face on my. Face so yeah, he don't he don't tell Leroy your son going to taste good he black. And he didn't like all those black people in the black spot either. He had. It had nothing to do with that, it just happened to be. Opportunity. But he didn't change the doors. Yeah, he didn't even put them there. That was Ingrid trying to get trying to bring him out. He was trying to take his nap. Honey. He was like now woke me up. Right. Right in the military.

10:08 I mean, I, I was tripping when he said that. I was like, OK, so Pennywise likes his meat a little seasoned. OK, I I guess. I mean, it was, it was funny to me because that's the context. It was supposed to be. It was like supposed to be offensive to the point where you like, this dude's stupid. He crazy. Yeah. I mean, that's literally his whole persona. He says things that are offensive. He says things that are out of pocket. He says things like, yeah, I, I just, when I saw that online, I was like, y'all. I mean, it's just, we do tend to get very, very sensitive about a lot of things, you know, I mean, 'cause somebody had pointed out they were like, didn't Freddy Krueger say something similar to that back in the 80s, like.

10:59 Probably so. Probably so you. Know like, probably so, yeah, but I mean, Penny wise, he knows how to make an interest 'cause when he called the kids into this assembly and they're coming in and the Paddy cakes are looking like, where are the teachers? I was like, OK, this is not, this is about to be ugly. I was not expecting the principal to already be dead. But it's like literally soon as he comes through the curtains and he starts moving his mouth, I said, is he using this dude as a puppet? What? He is using the principal as a ventriloquist dummy.

11:40 I was like, you know what? This whole episode is about to be unhinged as. As soon as it started talking, I turned, Michelle said. Oh, he gone. Yeah. He's gone like already dead, and then it's not bad enough that he's already dead. You got to go add insult to injury. You got to put your hands in his eyes, RIP his head off, throw the body, and then you punt the punt the the head like a football. I was like, you know what? I think Bill had a little too much fun filming this that day. And you can and you can tell right now it is like not giving, giving, not bothered by anything because it hadn't even like fixed itself. It's still have covered up to hearing. He wouldn't show it.

12:31 He was getting out of the shower yet? Oh, I I thought I was going to be asleep for 27 years. I I get some extra time. I think he was literally high off of the. 'Cause I'm about to go traveling, I'm about to go on a long extended vacation. Let me get out of my food, out of this cage, right? But my, my thing is I, this is a great time to be a upperclassman 'cause you got to go home. Look, listen, because. I was like, all these kids about to die. Like I thought he was going to kill everyone. And then he starts singing the song and the song.

13:13 OK, the song was creepy in and of itself. But when he got to that last note and held that note while the day, I was like, I'm done, I'm done. Because I know I'm supposed to be horrified right now. I was on my couch cracking up. I was like, OK, I think this is the first time that I've really looked at his Pennywise as anything comical because, you know, we always talk about Tim Curry's version of Pennywise. He was funny. He was more funny than scary, I think. And that I think for me, especially watching it, you know, being younger, I think that was the thing that scared you most because he actually did pull you in this one.

13:56 He's just always been scary. But when he started doing this, I was like, I know I am not supposed to be laughing right now. I should be feeling sorry for these kids. Oh God. It was also the Patty cakes. And even though I didn't want them dead, I was like, they need to be dead lighted for about 10 minutes. I, I just after all the stuff that they have put Lily through this season, I was like, you know what, they deserve to be dead lighted. But the rest of the kids? No out. I see your pretty faces and I taste them too. And did you notice? Like, it's, it's almost like as soon as he started singing, it really started hypnotizing everybody because even the kids who were at the door, as soon as he started, they stopped to turn around.

14:42 Like I was like, oh, he about to munch on all of them. And then he did the deadlight thing and let them out. I was like, OK, this is different. That was a great scene. It was, and really. Well shot. Yeah, it was just, yeah, it was really pretty. Pretty in a very. Eerie way, Yeah, yeah. Eerie. But yeah, very eerie, yeah. But then you have the girls upstairs still in the tower, and again I'm sitting here like these kids have been part of a fire when one of their friends died. Baby, the sewers being.

15:25 Chased by mom, but it that was even before the fire and and and rich dying like this is this is news. Like I thought about this for the last episode. I'm like, OK, so you have these kids that you found at this place that y'all are investigating for fire. So we saw Leroy and Charlotte come for Will, but that's because they knew Will was there. Y'all didn't think to call the other parents to have them come pick up their children? They ain't been around, no way. I was like, what did that did? Did Charlotte and Leroy take them home or? Lily's Mama working the triple shift. She ain't got time for all that.

16:06 She honestly ain't got time for Lily, period. She tired of Lily. Shenanigans is what she tired of, apparently, because she ain't really been great to her this whole show. No. She ain't got time for none of that. None of it. No, if you call me about Lily one more time, one more time, one more time. You going to? What's that place I can never Juniper Hills with? Him but the girls being up on the tower when all of this stuff happens, I was like, oh, OK, maybe they can escape it. But of course they got to go see what's going on. Which at this point I kind of understand because they're like, OK, we have gone through enough.

16:47 We just lost Rich. What is going on in in the town? They they know they have a weapon that it's scared of. So I guess they feel a little bit bold. And Marge is like I really want to kill this class. Yeah, she got real hard. Right. Because when when they turn around, they. It was very strong, the. Wanted posters for all the kids and Marge was like this everybody we go to school with like what is this thing doing? Because I don't even know if at this point if they know that Pennywise is supposedly asleep, like maybe Will's parents told them because of, you know, so maybe they're thinking it too. And they're like, wait, what is all this going on? Then they go to the school, they see the dead principal's head. They see the dead milkman.

17:35 They see it. Somebody, somebody else was there. Oh, no, that was the principal's body. But they see blood and. They tell the missing posters. Yeah, missing posters. And then they get the they get the one that happens to blow on Lily's leg, which I think was on purpose and it's will and they're like, Yo, we, we got to go save our friend. We we're not doing this again. So let me tell you when they got ready to first of all, I'm impressed about the fact that they had three people on this bike and they were they were getting it. I was impressed. But when they tried to do it the second time, probably because they're so nervous and scared, they can't do it when Marge was like we getting in the milk truck.

18:18 Let's go, Marge, let's go. I was like. Marge just got it, Marge. She bowed it. You don't know how to try it. She was like, I watched, it's OK. I watched right and then y'all want to blame stuff happening on her one eye right? What? Y'all doing? I I want to say I I used to wonder why the Patty Cates wanted Marge and their group, but now I see it there. There is something special about her, you know. Yeah. She's she's. Let her be herself. Yeah, good. And they wouldn't let her be herself because she she's really, she's smart, right? Yeah.

18:59 And she's strong, she fun, you know, she got to come back and stuff for people, so. And. She's smart because they're like, have you driven before? It's like, no, but I've seen my uncle drive. Right, and that's a stupid I would have still been in the parking lot a big. Car, you know, yeah, that's the thing. That's a good point. You break up, bring up about hers because it is it is that thing when people beat you down so much you for you forget who you are. You forget what strengths you have or you don't know you have strength because people hold you down so much. And for for her just trying to fit in because she was picked on. I probably picked on way worse before she started hanging with the Patty cakes. And then they finally gave her an opening and she was just like desperate.

19:39 And you know, I just, you know, I felt like even before she tried to cut her eyes out, the fact that she was going to tell Lily the truth, show her character because she felt bad enough where she was just like, you know what, this is way beyond my pay grade. Like I can't be this kind of person. You know, her character really has is really changed my whole opinion because at first I was like, please murder. We were all like, can't, can't just go after her because it was like, you are supposed to be this girl's friend and you are letting popularity and status and all this other, you know, superficial stuff coming away of someone that you've been friends with since first grade. Yeah, I, I was like that too. I was like, I don't like her.

20:22 But when I say this is she's one of those characters where you see the growth of the character. And like you said, Michelle, when she's given an opportunity to just be herself. And I, I do think a lot of that had to do with Rich too, you know, because Rich was the one kid out of the whole group who basically accepted everyone for whatever. Even when Lily was like, they think I'm crazy. It was like, yeah, they think you crazy. My Barber thinks you crazy, This person thinks you crazy. And OK, whatever. We, we, we notice already. Let's move on. He literally gave people their space to deal with their stuff. And same thing with Marge.

21:02 You know, Marge is coming in to the group late. She's coming in after having been, you know, the way she was with Lily. So everybody else is already looking at her like they don't trust her. And Rich was the one, yeah, because he had the little crush, but also because he was just like, OK, we're all just kind of outcast here. So yeah, it's cool, Rich. You know our baby, but let me tell you when. When when they were driving in the truck and they're sitting there arguing with each other, My whole thing was, Ronnie, when you shut up and let this girl drive talking about you need to go faster, you need to go faster. Look, y'all traveling faster than y'all. What's a milk for a bite? And if she had been paying attention to the road instead of paying attention to you fussing at her, then she wouldn't hit the pothole.

21:53 And y'all, I was like, Ronnie, stop. I'm going to tell you now. The Grogan's were kind of they, they, they were getting on the nerves this episode. Ronnie kind of chilled out after that because when she when she was the one that kind of stopped Lily. Lily, you are not, you are not dragging us down. You are, you are a lifeboat. You are a lifeboat. She was the one that snapped her out. I was like, OK, Ronnie, all right, you cool with me now. You, you was kind of getting on that, that nerve, that last nerve. But OK, they show once y'all unite, once y'all do stuff together and y'all are on the same page, y'all can do some stuff.

22:39 They are a solid team. They really are they. Are, and I think going back to what you said, Michelle, about Marge and her being able to just be herself. I think the same also goes with Lily, because Lily, you know, everybody is always looking at her strange. You know, they're calling her names, calling her crazy, calling her this, calling her that. And then the stuff that Pennywise said to her got in her head about, oh, yeah, you bring them all together and bring them to me. But no, it's because of Lily that they were all together. So I think once Ronnie said that to her, that also gave her her her calmness and her strength to be like, OK, you know what, I can do this.

23:24 I can, I can be that person for the group. I can, I can hold on to everybody else and help everybody. You know, I just think all of them came through such transformation from where we first saw them to where they ended up. And, and for them to have to go through what they went through at the end of this episode, it's like they couldn't have done this without all of that. They had to go through those little challenges and, you know, kind of being able to see themselves for who they really are. Except for we don't really have full Lily, to be honest with you, since the source, because she has been taken Yeah, by the.

24:06 Yeah, by the one source, the. 1. Ring, the one ring that rules the mark. Yeah, because that has been corrupting her this whole entire time. So hopefully she can snap it. Snap out of it and, well, we're done with them. But, you know, we really didn't get to see Lily and her true glory. Yeah. Yeah. Instead we just see, like, really. Well, I'm sorry. I just don't really care for much for Lily. And Lily could have just, you know, succumb. I'm just saying. Dumb. No. No, just. What I just she just gets on my nerves to hurt. She just so she and I would be too if I was in her position. She just very whiny and that gets on my nerves. Right.

24:50 And that's. It, but we have to think about it. She has also been through the most trauma out of anybody in that group. Right. But it's time to step up though, sorry. She's 11 years. Old, I don't care. Everybody else has stepped up. Everybody else is doing some adult things, you know, and having to deal with it. Everybody can't be rich. Or wheel. Or Marge. We learn. We'll talk to your game. Well, you know all of us will talk good game, but then we turn around and So what? Jumps off our refrigerator. I I would be a little off too. Up to his nose and blood. Covered in blood, right? Yeah, I think y'all punk out.

25:31 Yeah, I would. I would say yeah, yeah. I'm sorry. I know what I was saying right, But the thing about that dagger is something we find out from Rose, Rose tells she, she tells the group because at this point and we'll we'll talk about Leroy. But she when when Leroy goes to tell Charlotte that Will has been taken, she starts talking about the dagger. And when they try to go find the dagger, she says that the dagger is part of the comment that this thing came down on. And all it wants to do is to go back, quote UN quote. Home, which is in the tunnels under the house, house on Nebolt St. And she said the further away you take it from the the tunnels or from the house, it's going to do what it needs to do to try to get back and it's going to mess which is going to affect your mental health.

26:24 And of course where the kids were trying to take it, they were trying to take it literally on the opposite from where the house is so that they could try to close the cage. So I think because they were going further away from the house, that's why Lily was losing it the most. And then of course, once Margie, Ronnie kind of took turns with it, you know, that she wasn't as bad as she was. So I think kind of like the Horcrux and Harry Potter, we mentioned it earlier, but I think it was just one of those things where it was affecting her the longer she was holding on to it. Like if she had kept it in her bag, she might have been maybe not as far gone. But you see, she put it in her bag and then she ended up she was walking with it like this, like she didn't want to let it go. So that thing was like, yeah, I can get her. I can get her.

27:14 And then, you know, it just didn't anticipate that she had friends with her who like, Nope, you're not going to do this by yourself. And then the same thing happens to Will later on. Yeah, but Will turned his ass around. He's like, yeah, I'm going to take it back. He did because that's what the thing was telling him to do. I know that was that was so funny. He was. Like it was because it was so sudden. It was so sudden. Just turn around. OK, I'm going to take it back now. Right. Wait, wait, wait, wait. But before we go on with the kids going back to the adults and Leroy finding out about Will being taken. So I I thought about it when they showed that say I said, OK, so that answers Denny's question because Dina, Dina was like, if you see what they doing at the base, why not call your wife and your child and tell them to get the hell out the house.

28:05 So apparently he did go straight to his house on the base. He tried to call them at the house and that's when he finds out that they're taking. But I thought about I said, you know what? I said Charlotte going to whoop his ass when she find out. I was like Charlotte going to whoop his ass. But when he goes to Hallering Hallering, that poor man, I really like if it wasn't for the fact that I knew he he exists in The Shining. I really thought he was about to just end it all because the the the one ghost, the first ghost that he sees, the one that's at the wall. I didn't realize he was plastered on the wall the way he was.

28:45 And then when he tells one of the other ones to leave him alone, that joker came out though. I said, you know what? I don't know how they did that effect. That was so cool. But I was like, Nope, cuz he almost looked like one of those. What do you call them? They the like the fat boys is the little things that they put that you put on the wall. Yeah, he was almost on the wall. Like he was a sticker. And I was like, that's interesting. And then he and then he pulls out the wall. I was like, no, no, that's, that's too much. And then he had then he had the nurse and there was another guy. I was like, you know what? And then when when Leroy comes in and he's looking at him, I'm like, why are you looking at him? Like you surprised?

29:34 He told you what was going to happen. He told you what was going to happen to him. So when he told Leroy you did this, you did. I said let let him feel that guilt. I still feel like I still feel like Leroy. Leroy. Don't halfway believe him. I, I kind of feel like Leroy don't halfway bleed show I don't. Know because after after all girls show them where the the the the artifact was. I would think that. OK, you know what? You you were telling the. Truth. But Leroy, he's trying, he's been trying to tell him, dude, if you understood what I saw, what I see presently, like even the previous episode, he's like, are they here now?

30:16 Yes, you know, but if I Leroy can't quite wrap his head around the fact that this man is really struggling. Well, I think he does because, you know, he can help him, But the reality of no one will know how that is unless you're sitting in it like he's like, oh, OK, you see dead people. It can't be that bad. Yeah, it can be. You know what I'm saying? Those dead people are creeping on the floor. Right, You know what I'm saying? So for him, he's like, OK, you hear voices, but I'm thinking it should be that bad. I. Think. Well, hearing voices. Hearing voices is not as bad as actually seeing the people.

30:58 No, no, but it's bad either way. If there's constant noise in your head and them talking, he's seeing them. But Lee but Leroy don't get that. He never experienced it before. And also I think our, our, our idea of like ghosts and spirits, I think for for a lot of people is kind of like the romanticized version. You know, you think about, you know, women ghosts walking around and their little, you know, their little old fashioned night gowns and just kind of floating on the air. You don't really think about the bad part of a spirit. You know, you don't think about the violent spirits unless you watch something that's horror based. You know, it's. And I think that probably could be what it was for Leroy, because it's like, even when Dick was telling him about his powers, he was like, yeah, we got people like that in New Orleans.

31:49 OK, you got people like that. But I don't think you quite understand when this man talks about he has voices in his head. And I think maybe that's also the other thing, because he keeps saying voices dead things. I don't think he's I don't think he he communicated to Leroy. No, these things are walking around. I see them except for when he was talking about the one that they needed to follow for the for the artifact and that one he wasn't scared of because she helped him. So maybe that's what Leroy was thinking. Like, OK, they can't, like you said, Michelle, they can't be that bad.

32:32 You don't know that this one right here has his brains blown out and this one right here is missing his face from the jaw down. And you, you don't understand all of that because I don't know if even Dick has. I don't know if he's able to put that into words because it might seem simple for us, Like, OK, just tell them you see dead people walking around. But for him, it might be a little bit more involved in that, you know, not it's just one of those things where you just really can't explain. It's like you got to see it to believe it. But either way it goes. Leroy was getting on my nerves. I was like, you did this to him. Like he just told you, you did this to him because you're trying to, you know, get your your position trying to get a promotion, trying to whatever it is you trying to do for the military or for this country, you fuck this man over and now you want him to come and help you. And I was like, if, if he does what he does, it just is what it is because you, you brought this on him. But then when he brought that, he was like, it took will please help me find my baby.

33:39 Put I was like, OK, you know what? Feel sorry for you now. Yeah, 'cause he broke it down. My baby. Save my baby. Right, right. And and he said I'll help you do. I'll pull the trigger myself. She was like but I need to get my. Son, but I need to get my son back. So then they go to roses, which is where Charlotte and Hank are, and Charlotte goes off, you know? Yes, she did. And and and rightfully so, but also, you shouldn't have left your child in the house. I'm sorry, you just shouldn't have. Yeah, if you thought your kid was, if you thought it was safe enough to take, what's Hank? Why would you not think it's safe enough to take? Your kid.

34:24 Over to Rose's house because you know Hank was going to be protected over there, but you leave your kid in the town oh, he's sleep now. I don't care what you say. Sleep now. Y'all don't know what everybody is together. We all together till we leave this town not. Exactly, exactly, exactly. So over there they go into this thing they they talk about trying to get Charlotte to connect with Will and Dick is going to try to use his powers to help her do that. But Dick is like y'all don't understand. I keep telling y'all, I got all these voices in my head and you when you say you want me to focus on your little dagger because Rose was like, well instead of focusing on Will, focus on the dagger. If we find the dagger, we can put the dagger in the place of the other artifact.

35:11 We can cage him again. So she tells him. I can quiet the voices in your head, but you're going to have to trust me. And she makes this this little tea. Out of. Yes, and she was like here drinking. It'll quiet it. She waits until after he drinks it and then she's like. Oh. Yeah. Like something you should have said first give. Me the instructions. 1st but I don't think she was expecting him to drink it that like that too and I think when he did that I was like OK so y'all should understand just how bad off he is because he is drinking a substance he knows nothing about.

35:52 He doesn't know what kind of effect it's going to have on him, but she's like, OK, this is quite a way. Oh, OK. He took it like a shot that. Should tell. Y'all right then? Yeah. How screwed up his mind was at that. Yeah, because he was like, how's this going to work? She say. You know, in order for one door to open, another must close, and they weren't. He knocked it back. But think about it, he was by the pool of bullies in his head, so. Yeah, whatever he needed to. I just imagine like, I just wouldn't want to see all that. No, and I think about that every time I watch movies or shows like that where people like The Sixth Sense was a big one for me because that's literally what this kid was saying.

36:40 He was not only seeing just dead people were ghost walking around. He was seeing the violent ones, the ones that you know, met violent ends who were roaming the the the earth because their spirit wasn't that rare. I would not want to. I wouldn't want to have that power. No, it's 'cause you want, you want to say, can I, can I see you how you was like a week ago or something like? And that thing you can't choose with that kind of power you. No, it's like, why? Why you got to be coming at me like this? Yeah. Can you come to me with a whole head? And I have a head from being with a shotgun. But even even in Harry Potter, they appear. Ghosts appear as when they died.

37:22 No, I don't want that. Yeah. Or you want the ghosts, that fellas that died and they sleep. Yeah. But so they so they they figure out where the dagger is. They figure out that the girls have it. And you know, he tells them he was like, the girls are going. They're going to try to save Will. And Hank is like my baby running. OK, here, here's my one right for the whole episode. Hank Grogan is probably the most useless character in the whole damn show. Useless. No, he. Said his. Purpose.

38:03 Or or what? For Ingrid, he served. That's the OK, but here I mean he. Had two purposes, actually my. Did you have Ronnie? Actually, it's the wife. This is dead wife I. I don't know, but my whole thing with Hank is you messed around with the white woman and put yourself in a position where you couldn't have your own alibi because that would have got you killed. Then you you go and impose on other people trying to hide. Them all in danger. And tell them that you're going to stay put.

38:45 And then the minute danger shows up at the door, hey, I'm here. So you put everybody in danger and you, you know, you're not completely responsible, but you are partially responsible for what happened at the black spot 'cause you could have called your ass out of window or something. But. You could have not come out like they told you not to, I mean. They would have gone searching. For him he was useless. You can't even help shoot at the end like come. On and that's what I'm getting to everybody else. Has a part to play. You're the children, The 12 year olds are trying to take this dagger across the lake so they can trap this thing.

39:27 Leroy has been shot. Tango has been shot and killed. Y'all fight against the military, you take their weapons and Leroy is the only person using the gun to shoot like Pennywise is. Skip to my Lewin all the way across the river to get to your children and all you can say is oh shit and Ronnie go baby, go. Bro that is. Even if you don't know how to use the gun, you sit there and you trial and error. You figure that shit out. That thing is going after your daughter.

40:09 I when I say I was so hot at him and even Charlotte because I was like, why are you holding a gun? And you ain't going to shoot. Yeah, I was like, why are they not shooting? They just standing there. Because at least that was. Slowing him down if it Even if it wasn't permanently hurting him, it was slowing him down. Right. They just watching and then the guys on the ground, they ain't doing nothing. But what do you want you guarding? Because they embarrassed, they just got their ass kicked by some civilians, you know, that's what that was. And they just realized how bad they fucked up that's what that was. But yeah, Hank Grogan, most useless character in the whole show. Like what?

40:52 And and the whole reason that Willie and his family are even in the crosshairs is because Charlotte trying to help you 'cause she got, she got to be on her crusade. Bitch, get your child and get the fuck out of town. Yeah, I wouldn't, But that's neither here nor there. It's what's done is done. But I'm I'm, I'm Charlotte, I'm OK with because Charlotte may not know how to use the gun. They just gave her the gun for it. Again, trial and error. At this point, that thing is going. Out. No, because no, no, no because you could shoot people. You don't need to shoot, so I don't need to shoot, she made.

41:35 So we take my chances. Because I don't shoot anybody else. At least it's not my child. No collateral damage. It it it was, it was just for the cameras. However, we don't want her to shoot because this is not the time to learn, OK? Not the time to learn. Because when we learn, we going to shoot some other people. I just think they could have done a lot more damage before they waited for this fucker to turn into a flying bat monster and then decided to shoot. Like y'all could have shot you my little grass. Y'all waited till he was up in the air and now you want to freely shoot? I mean that's why.

42:16 That's why Hank Rogan took the shot. Once he saw that he was like oh shit yes yes that's what you should have been saying 5 minutes ago when this thing was on the ground and Leo shot his head off and the head grew back. That's what you should have been saying, man. It was a lot of delays happening. Listen, and, and I understand they had, they had to give us that time to give the kids time to fight with this dagger so they could try to put it in. But still it was like, oh, Hank, Hank Grogan. I was like, dude, you just, you are just you are in the way at this point. You are dead weight. You are dead weight.

42:57 He got on my nerves so bad. Wow, got on my nerves so bad. Wow. Tell me how you really feel. Alright. Yeah. I totally agree with you because he was useless. He was useless. I, I mean, she can't even come out of this and say I was proud of you, Daddy. She had my balls for sure. She does, she does. She the one who saved his life. So. OK, so. Yeah. Yeah, he was better off staying at the house. Right, because he. Couldn't even go he couldn't even go with the other men to secure.

43:38 He could even go with them. He stayed in the trip. But you're going to do the truck I. Mean it's happening aside. I'm assuming Leroy, you know, went with Taniel because obviously Taniel knew what to do with the thing and then he was going to protect them as a soldier and Hank was left behind to protect the womenfolk. But I feel like that was kind of a wasted. Take them from because at that point they didn't know. They didn't know that the military is coming. Yeah, well, that's what I'm saying. It's true, too. Yeah. Leroy was helping because he said The thing is going to want to not go where it's supposed to so we can work together. So it would be great to have a third man there so you protect the women from Pennywise. But no, because here's the thing, Leroy doesn't have the fear.

44:18 And he knows Tanya is going to do what he needs to do because that's his, that's his familial duty, right? No, but he did say because it's going to want to not go where it needs to go. You do need additional help. Not if you got to babysit the additional. Help. I'm just saying why Leroy went now, why they left. They should have let Hank come. They let him stay behind because because I would have shot him anyway, he would have been dead. From his weights, he was dead weight he would. He would have got shot immediately anyway, so it's. Oh, the Hank slander. I mean, dead weights. Yeah, it's the truth.

45:01 Yeah, poor Tanya bro. In rows that's. That scream. Oh, oh, man. I felt like I felt like watching Amos Diggory in the goblin fire. Yeah, that it it toward me that same way. But going back to the kids. So again, you got the girls. They have the dagger. And what has happened is Pennywise has decided that he's going to try to get out of the cage. And there's only one point that he can go to. There's a there's a tree that's on the other side of the river, and it's the farthest spot that the other artifacts their power reaches.

45:49 So if he gets past that tree, the the world is an oyster to him. He can go wherever. So what they're trying to do is take the dagger to that particular tree, or at least that's what the adults know that they need to do. The kids don't know that they need to do this yet. They just know they have a dagger he's afraid of and they need to go find Will. So they look across the river, which is frozen because of the mist and and Pennywise, and all you see is floating bodies over the river. They're traveling all you can eat buffet. Listen, so they run and they're trying to find Will, and of course Will is at the very front of the line because he was the first one that he took.

46:35 And the part where they were trying to get to Will, they were like trying to get him down and they start jumping. I was like, and I'm like if you going to do that, hit him with the dagger or something like what are y'all doing? I was looking. I said this looks so comical right now. I know something fucked up is about to happen. I was like, y'all trying to make us laugh before some shit really hits the fan. And then here comes Pennywise out of the thing and he's talking to them. He was like the fool, the freak and the what? The failure and the failure, but which is which? It doesn't matter. There's room for you all. He gets ready to come at them and Ronnie, who has the dagger, she holds it at him and he does this little thing where he goes back and he leaves.

47:18 And I was like, OK, they got some time. This Joker stars running around them, scared. I was like, you know what? I paused my TVI said. I thought I was going to be free from the run for one episode, just one. And this was worse because you couldn't see what direction he was coming from. Yeah. So there was no build up. It's just they're facing this way. He comes behind them. And I don't know if because of the dagger, he couldn't actually touch them. But I mean, just what he was doing was scary enough. Yeah. Then he grabs Marge by the ankle and he pulls her into the fog. I thought Marge was done.

48:02 Yeah, but that's when we find out some interesting information. Yes, we did. All the theories panned out. They did. Because what? What does he say to her? He tells her he's always wondered how you would taste Margaret Tozier. And she's backing up. And then all of a sudden she stopped like the hell. And he was like, not yet, but in the future he was like, first comes marriage, then comes wait, first come love, then comes marriage, then comes Richie in the baby carriage. And he has one of the missing posters for future Richie, Finn Wolfheart's character. And she's looking at him like, the hell are you talking about? And he was like, Oh yeah, your your son and his friends. They kill me in the future.

48:55 Or is it, or, or. I don't really know, he said. You know, my death is my, my death is my birth. Because apparently Penny Wise's lifespan does not move in the same way that ours does. It's linear. So he can, from what I gather, it's like he can exist in various points of time and because he remembers everything that happens up until then, it's like I think that's part of his ability instead of it just being him, him being psychic like he. Said. It's more like, it's more like he's everywhere. He's every, He's everywhere all at once. It's not from, it's not from this universe, it's from a different reality.

49:50 It's not even a different reality. It's just from a different plane of existence. So it perceives everything differently than we do. Right. So yesterday, today and tomorrow is all the same. Right. And I thought about it when he said when he said my death is my birth, I think he meant that in a lot of different ways because he's not only talking about him as the entity, like when they kill him, I don't know, when they kill him in 1989, maybe he goes back and and starts the cycle all over again. Like we figure out here what he's trying to do is he's actually trying to kill them so that those kids don't exist.

50:30 Or at least he says this to March. I would think that he would try to do that with the others too, because it's it's Will's descendant, Marge's child, which is, you know. See what? What it doesn't really comprehend is it doesn't understand that it probably created his own death. That's what I was thinking too. Because you know. Because you just told her that her son kills you, But what is she going to do when she meets a few a future, you know, guy named somebody told you she's is it is it that she fell in love with him and then had the child? Or is she now going to fall in love with him because you told her about the child?

51:16 It's Terminator all over. All over you because it's starting to create the things that kill it. She's not going to remember, that's the thing, too. I think she does. She's not going to remember. She's not going to remember. Yeah, but then it opens it up for what she said to Lily. So is he going to move towards the past which have? Given us ourselves. Which is what he's, which is Chapter 2 is. So then then it just explains how explains pot plot holes. But it does explain like, oh, he was so like delicate with the losers club. No, like he if he did start traveling back, he is now a little bit more like I got to get this shit under control. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

52:06 So he a little bit more fierce. And then that means next season he's gonna be. Horrible. Horrible. I can't wait. Horrible. Yeah. Netflix, don't you ruin this class. But yeah, when when he started saying that, I was like, you do realize you literally just kind of sort of gave her the tools to make sure that your ass dies in the future. But also his whole my death is my death is my my birth. That can also go for Bob Gray, because when Bob Gray died, he became this version of himself, you know, and I I don't know, it was just when he said that I was like, OK, it kind of sort of makes sense that he would try to go back and, you know, you're you're singling out Marge again. Probably why he never paid attention to Richie really, because Richie pose no threat to him in the future, except for the fact that Marge names her son after him. But Will and, and I think this is the thing that really kind of confused me because again, Will's descendant also is, is part of this thing.

53:22 Will's future son is a part of this. So why would you not treat Will with the same hostility? Because, and especially, especially because Mike is the one who stays in town. He's the one who records everything. He's the one who brings the losers back when they've left and forgotten. He's the one that sends them letters in the phone calls and say, hey, it's back. And that's what jogs their memories. You would think Will would be his primary target, but he had Will in. The game right but that is your primary. He was the first kid but he's talking. But see Marge. Marge is supposed to be up there too, but Marge run around with his damn dagger.

54:07 OK so now I'm pissed off because Will is the first meal he going to eat when he do his pit stop at OK? But see, that was my thing because I was like, if I felt like Will pose that much of A threat to me and my future existence, Will would have been down in the sewers with Teddy, Phil and Susie. There would have been no no opportunity for him to even. Well, you can't think like you can't use the way we think. I know, I know. So because it's experiencing everything all at the same time. So yeah, Mike may not have really been a threat until he was a threat, but then it's not thinking about Mike right now because Marge is in front of him.

54:55 So it's got Marge on his mind, you know what I'm saying? So it's it's. It even says it's confused. Yeah, you know. And he I don't think he was going to, he was planning to kill them right then. If they had not had the dagger, he just would have dead lighted them with the rest. Of right, And that's why Will was his first one. So they were all all on his list. He went to Will first, not Mars. Will Will's mouse. And. I don't even think, and I don't even think you had a plan to do any of that. It's just all sort of happening in his mind at the same time. Like, oh, wait a second, all these things are connected because it's all these things simultaneously. But like I said, it's still confused because where it's from, it doesn't have a concept of time, it doesn't have a concept of really life.

55:50 It's it just exists. And here it's kind of forced into our way of thinking and it's confusing. Yeah. We think for it so. I mean it's. Confusing. It's not going to think what? Yeah, it's it's probably not going to know really why it took Will first, but at some point it might look at William be like, oh, wait a second, it's Mike's father. Then also who? How do we not know that that's not what it was doing when the fire that killed Mike and Will and his mother, Will and Mike's mother in the later, you know, in this verse, How do we know it wasn't a part of that? You just didn't realize Mike was already born because he doesn't conceive time the way we do.

56:41 Yeah, yeah. Because his smile will could already be dead, and this is a different will. It's all. Complete. Yeah, OK, I get it, I get it. But just as he's about to eat Marge, he stops again with the teeth out and just frozen. And the reason why is because back at the van, when everything happens, Leroy gives Dick this, you know, this idea. He was like, look, we can buy. We can buy some time.

57:22 Dick got in his head before he can do it again. So this is what Dick has done right at the right moment. And I love that, Marge, she saw that he froze. She didn't even hesitate. She was like, oh, he's frozen. OK, let me get the hell on. She didn't stand there to be like, what happened? Why is he? She was like, you know what, we'll figure that out later. Let me go. And while he's in Pennywise, his head, he he basically puts an image there of them finding Bob Gray after he disappeared. So it's it's the carnie person.

58:04 It's angered as a little girl. It's all the other people. They're like, Bob, where were you? What happened? You got to lay off the drink. We found you laying in a ditch and Pennywise is sitting there like the fuck is this? I ain't Bob Gray. I was laughing. I saw somebody said on Twitter they had a gist of him looking like this. They said Pennywise thinking he was human for a minute. Like what the fuck? Just he's like, what kind of reality is this? This is not my reality. I'm not Bob Gray. And the guy, like slaps him and he's just like, what is going on? Here come the military, 'cause they want the dagger, they want Halloran. Because of course, Leroy and Halloran went AWOL. So they, like I said, they've shot Leroy, they shot Taniel. They go to get Dick out of the van and they're they're like jostling him, trying to wake him up. And of course, this messes with the vision that Dick has put into Pennywise, his head.

59:13 When the Carney, who is a white man, falls down and tries to balance himself and he has that black hand. I was like, this is about to be ugly. I really thought he was going to try to kill Dick. Nah, he was just mad. He kicked him out his mind. I was like, you know what, It was good while he lasted and Dick could have stayed in that just a little bit longer, I think. It could have been OK. It could have been OK, I think, if he'd have been able to stay in there for a little bit longer. But now the military had to come. In that God damn general, let me tell you. Oh, and then while he has his men, you know, securing the others getting Dick, he happens to look across the river and he sees the frozen Pennywise. He starts walking over there.

1:00:04 I said, you know what? I said you about to die painful death and I don't even care. I don't even care. He goes over and he starts talking to Pennywise like he is I don't know. It was kind of like almost like Ingrid in a way. He was just like, Oh my God. Wondering all these years if you were real or if you were just a little boy's nightmare. And to find out that you're both. Oh my God. He was like, whatever they did to you, we're going to undo it. I was like, if you could hear how stupid you sound right now. And then when they kick, when Pennywise kicked Dick out of his mind and he comes out of it, he looks at the general in general was like, hey, you can go, you're free to go.

1:00:52 And he's looking at the general like, huh, Yeah, you're free to go. OK. He he sniffs someone time and he walks off. And then he's he's like, you know how you get a you know how you get a scent in your nose and you can't get that sent out? That's how he was walking because he took the sniff and out while he's walking, he's like, he was like, he's like, I know you. I never forget a smell. At that moment, you should have started running. But you can't be like, what? What are you talking about? Like I just freed you. Why you can't bother me. And then he tried to buck up at Pit.

1:01:32 Let me tell you, when he bucked up at Pennywise, I was like, it's all over it. I couldn't even get the thought out my mouth. I said always. I was like, you know what? Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy. Yeah, and that just gives you that that that that arrogance that he thought he could control and and otherworldly being that had him in such a he had you right to the forest losing your mind as a child. And you guys told you that the whole tribe is watching this area so that it and you still thought with Jersey risk that you were going to be able to control this thing.

1:02:13 And you still. Scared and you still scared at 70 some years old. Yeah, because when he changed that face, he was. Yeah, and that's crazy that that's what scared him more than anything. It was what scared him as a child that still got your mind like that, bro. Yeah, You, you, you. Well, also because you got to remember he forgot about it for 45 years. Yeah. So to hear like, stuff came back more as he got more in depth into the yeah. But it it's it's one of those things where he probably wrote it off like, oh, OK, yeah, that was a nightmare. But I was a child when I had it.

1:02:53 But you know what? The last time you saw that face, you were a child. So the the minute you are confronted with that same face, your whole psyche just reverted back to being 12 years. Yeah. And then you tried to change it too late because he already smelled the fear on you. At that point. You went back to 12 year old you and he smelled 12 year old you. And it must have tasted real good, because he didn't waste no time. Right. I was like. Hey, finally he's dead.

1:03:36 Yeah, like I said, couldn't have happened. But then we get to the the really intense part because of of course, Leroy has been shot, Taniel has been killed. And Will runs to his father. And Leroy tells him, hey, you got to take this dagger. You got to take it to the tree. You got to bury it and and we can cage this thing. It'll be over and he finally gives Will the pep talk he should have gave him a long time ago. Because Will was like, I don't want to do this, I'm scared and I'm not like you. And he was like, I don't want you to be like me because I'm sorry. Him being like Leroy probably wouldn't have worked out for none of this. It wouldn't it will had to be who he was. He had to care about his friends. He had to be like, no, I'm standing, I'm standing my on my, you know, I'm what it what is the phrase they say? I'm standing on business.

1:04:31 I'm going to go help my friends, regardless of what you say, regardless of how dangerous it is. I'm not going to let them down. I'm not going to just leave them to their own devices, you know, and that's kind of what's LED them to this point. So he's like, OK, I need you to go take this dagger. Got to do it before the military cause the military is on their way. So him and the girls, they go, they try to take the dagger like we said earlier, as they get closer to the stump, the dagger is like, Nope. And will literally is like, he stops. He doesn't about facing, starts going. I got to take it. It wants to go home. And the girls are sitting there fighting with him, trying to get him to let go of the dagger.

1:05:15 They're like, let us help you. We got to get this done. We got to get this done. They finally get it turned around and they are like, this thing is fighting. They're having a hard time trying to get it to the tree. In the meanwhile, Pennywise, who has just had his meal, I'm skipping through the fog on the ice. And when I say I saw the the behind the scenes of them filming this particular sequence and he's skipping normally. But the way that they slowed it down for this, for this particular scene, it was like one of the best.

1:05:59 I don't even it was so good, but it was also so creepy because like Anthony said, his neck, his head is not moving. He's just doing this. And then when you look at his feet, he's literally skipping like we skipped his children. I see. Don't know what. Again, that was one of those parts where I was like, I know I'm supposed to be scared right now that this shit is funny as hell. It was so funny. It is. Especially because he's so he's so tall too. Yeah. Blankie and just. And and he just he looked I'm sure he had a good time filming this because it looked like he was having a good time, even just as Penny wise.

1:06:44 Penny wise was like, OK, I just had a snack That's been seasoned for a while. It's been simmering. It was sitting in the crock pot for 45 years now. I'm about to go have some fresh children. I'm a get rid of the, I'm a, you know, get rid of this dagger. I'm a go out into the world and just have me a feast. He's really about to do this. So the kids are trying to get to the tree. They see him skipping. The adults see him skipping. Like I said, Leroy and them, they fight the military people. They catch them unawares. They get their guns. So as Pennywise approaches the kids and say he says something smart to them. He was like, you lose losers or something like that.

1:07:28 All of a sudden you see his head get shot off and you see like the wisps of whatever his being is in the in the fog because Leroy shot him. He falls to the ground. His head repopulates as one of the bouncy heads. I was like, you know what? I'm not. Jack-in-the-box. That bad. I was like, I'm not going to get through this thing because I was, I was crackling up to. Wait a minute, but he also he also dancing while he running because when he gets to that. He doing that with that hand, he was just, he was having a little, he was having a good time. Like, oh, they're not going to stop me.

1:08:09 I got this. I'm about I'm about to get them and I'm going to kill all of them and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Even looking at the adults. Like y'all can't do nothing. Right. So Leroy shoots his head once, twice, and then he gets ready to shoot him a third time, and there's nothing left in the gun. Now, this is the point where Hank Grogan could have made. He could have redeemed himself in my eyes. He couldn't even do. He couldn't even help. He couldn't help Charlotte sitting there screaming for Leroy. Leroy. Because once Pennywise realizes there's no bullets in the gun, he keeps his head open and dead lights Leroy.

1:08:49 So Leroy is over there, dead lights. Here comes Charlotte running to him without the she dropped the gun. She she not military. She you know. I guess but my child is over there struggling. I I OK anyway. We just said we from a different time. We very militant about our thinking. We had enough sci-fi to help us. Learn. I know. So here he comes. He's he's crawling. The kids are at the tree stump and they get it almost to the to the to where they can put it in the ground and it starts reversing.

1:09:29 It is fighting. It is fighting. Now I'm going to tell you at that point, I literally said out loud, I was like, now would be a good time for Rich to show up. I wasn't expecting him to actually do that. I was just like, now would be a good time for Rich to show up. They go back to where Rose and Hank are standing and and Dick and Rose feels something. She turns, Dick feels something and he turns. Now I think Rose saw her ancestor and that's the only thing she saw because she has a she has a family connection there. That's all you see at 1st. And I was like, how is Dick seeing this? Because she took the ability to see the dead things away from him.

1:10:17 But I think it's because she was helping him and not trying to harm him that he was able to see her. I think she took away the scary things because what was it that she said? She said all things. All things from his world are not well that have that same kind of magic are not evil. And I think that's what she was trying to tell them. Look, don't block out everything on that plane. Just block out the stuff that you that that you don't need to see. So you see her outline with the wolf's head and everything. And I just looked and I immediately busted into tears because I knew what was coming after that point. And you see Rich's little body come from behind her and he takes off running and Dick's face is like, and Rose was like, what do you see? She was like a motherfuking miracle. And that was boohoo pride girl.

1:11:11 As soon as I saw a little body come and say who's outside my. God. And when he starts running, I said he just needs to. I said he needs to run past Pennywise and throw him the fence. And literally that's what he does. He runs past me, he looks at him and I know Pennywise is like, where did this motherfucker come from? He should have the chance. He keeps running, he slides on that ice and he grabs the dagger with his friends. Now, the one thing I love about this episode and Rich, Rich made such an impact in this episode, He never utters a single word.

1:11:53 Because when that when that happened, my, my very real fear was they're going to do something to break the spell. Like I didn't want it to be some kind of corny, oh, they see Rich as ghosts and they have Alaska. But I didn't want to do that because I feel like the way that he died was so perfect. But it was I didn't want them to taint that. And so the fact that he was able to help them get the dagger in and of course, this this is the part where Penny wise, when he sees what's about to happen, he starts transforming into this big, I don't know, pterodactyl looking shit.

1:12:35 I I don't know what that that form was. But even Hank Grogan, I had to agree with him then because he was like, he was like, oh shit, that's the most realist expression I have seen. Because what was that? Yeah, he so he tries to go to go get rich and I don't, I don't know if he was going to be able to do it or if it would have just gone through rich and gotten to the other kids. But perfect timing. They hit, they hit the ground. All hate can say is oh say it, oh say it. The way he said it, though, he said it like he has some real, real fear in that in them bones. Yeah, he said it like he has some real fear in them bones. Because for him, this is his first experience. Yeah.

1:13:26 Everybody else have dealt with that's true. Any wise in some form or fashion? Yeah, except for Charlotte. She hasn't, but she's heard Hank really hasn't. Yeah, dealt with it at all. Yeah, yeah. And, and that that would explain Charlotte's because when she saw him running across the river and of course he's this clown and he's doing a little dance, she is looking at him like, what the fuck is wrong with you? Right? Right. Is this? What I'm seeing with my eyes right now. Is this really what my dude is doing right? But what's interesting is everyone has that opinion about Hank though because I have someone who said the spirit of Rich had to come down to be a miracle and save his friends. But there's Hank Null and boy self screaming in fear. He couldn't do nothing to save his Ronnie on ice they said. But if Ingrid was across the ice, maybe he'll become a figure skater and help her.

1:14:29 Wow, wow. I mean, to be fair, he didn't. Do nothing. He didn't. He did not help. Was not helpful. He was not helpful. That is true. I'm sorry, he wasn't he. He the Hank. Slam and it's sad because like we talked about, like a lot of this drama, a lot of this connection is because of you, Sir. Redeem yourself. Right. Right. Everyone is trying to save you. Take care of you. Yeah, yeah. We're trying to grow a pair. With the the gun, Charlotte didn't need to know how to shoot the gun, but damn it, you do. Yeah, yeah.

1:15:14 But you know, I wonder if he ever found out what happened with Ingrid. Like did he just think that she abandoned him? Did he find out that she was at the Black Spot? Like, I don't know. Because when she, when she was being wheeled away and she looked at the kids, the three kids that she looked at, Ronnie, Will and Marge, they don't know who she is and they don't know if her connection to Lily because Lily knows her because of Jennifer Hill. So without any of them knowing about those connections, there will be no reason for them to make those connections. You know what I'm saying?

1:15:57 So I'm wondering, did he ever figure out like did he ever hear what happened to Ingrid? Or was it just to the point where he was like, you know what, I'm done with this town, I'm done. You know, if I hadn't been fucking around with her in the 1st place, none of this would be having. Maybe that's his thing. He was just like, you know what, I'm just going to put her in my rear view mirror and go because. It didn't leave you with nothing but being locked up on your way to Shawshank so. Right, right. And then almost being burned alive, which was also her fault. But of course, he doesn't know that. But, you know, that was also her fault. So yeah, but they put the dagger in Pennywise gets banished to back to his spot, I guess for the next 27 years. And then the next thing we see is Rich's funeral. And I'm glad we got that because I was like, I need some kind of closure.

1:17:02 We couldn't have any closure for Teddy, Phil, Susie. None of them was like, OK, at least we do get a funeral because I can't think of any funeral that we've had in this universe because the kids are almost never found. Because we didn't have one for Georgie. Like they didn't even have his body. His parents were just like he's gone. So I'm glad we got that closure and just to see him there, comforting like the first time we see him is when Dick shows up at the funeral and you see he's got one hand on Will's shoulder and one hand on his dad's shoulder. He's actually leaning his head on Will's shoulder.

1:17:45 I was like, y'all got to stop making me cry. Like we're at the end of the episode. I when I say ugly sobbing this whole episode, if I'd have recorded my my reaction, which I had thought about doing, y'all would be looking at that like something is wrong with this girl. Nobody should have this kind of reaction. So many tears though. I was gone. Will Will was like his best friend, yeah. They were so tight. Yeah, and but also think about it, they didn't know each other but a couple of months because even when Marsh, he's at the funeral. She's. Rich for a month. Which is so crazy because it's like the stuff that y'all y'all been through.

1:18:30 It's so crazy that like you, this feels like years and years worth of drama and trauma for them to just go through in a couple of months. Are you serious? These poor babies. Right. And she said what was in. I can't think of think of his book. What's George's brother? Oh, Bill. Yeah. Bill's book. Yeah, the last part of his book. That's what it is. Interesting. So what came first? About someone who? Built the friends. People who build their their houses in your heart. Yeah. So I thought about that too. I was like, what came first?

1:19:11 Yeah, yeah. So that that was interesting, but I thought there the cute, there was a cute little touch about it because you know when she gets, when she speaks at the funeral after she's done, she puts his drumsticks on the coffin. Did you notice that when Rich's ghost was running, he still had his drumsticks? In his back pocket. I was like that, attention to detail. I love it, I love it. You know what I just thought about what? Because everybody, you know how everybody was basically saying like they thought that Lily was Bev's mom or whatever, but what if Lily is somebody else's mom that they didn't focus on in the group? It just popped.

1:20:01 I don't know. That's part of my head. We were just talking a minute ago. I forgot what we were just talking about because I'm old and I just literally forgot. I feel like if I was Lily Bainbridge, I would get out of dairy there. There is no reason for me to be in dairy. But how's she going to get out? She unless her Mama leaves, she can't go nowhere. Right, it's a cycle. When she's not older, she can leave. But they don't forget. But they don't forget. That's the problem. They're going to forget. As they get older. The only thing that's going to be in there is some things that you'd be like, oh, that's I can't explain. So like Richie does it says it that his mom is overprotective? Yeah.

1:20:41 So she remembers something. Yeah, so she's overprotective of him, but she probably could never explain why she's so overprotective of him. She doesn't remember. You got to remember all those kids that was in in the dead lights who fell in the ice and then they told to go on the other side. Like you should remember that later in life that something happened to you in high school, a funny ass clown came to your school and rid of the principal and then you were then you remember falling on some ice. No. They're not going to. Yeah, yeah, that's the sad part. They're not going to remember. And I was just wondering, I was like, since they were still there and since it happened to them so much, I wondered if maybe if they stayed, if they would remember.

1:21:26 Because of course Mike remembers, you know? But even he had trouble sometimes. But he has to research and keep and keep reading. But then in the book and y'all help me book readers because actually it was Mike who tells them all about it is because his grandfather had a book of clippings of research that the grandfather did. Yeah, Leroy was was keeping stuff. Right, which will make sense on this timeline. It was the same timeline, but then they took Mike out of that. So he was the one who did the research. But in the book he did the research. So it would have made sense.

1:22:12 But yeah, but as you don't think, Leroy, we sitting here trying to make sure nothing happens, they're going to tell us about the history. We've we're about to get all the information now so we can be aware because we part of the council. So Leroy and Charlotte probably kept clips of everything, all the stuff that was happening and passing on the wheel and passing on the mic. There is a there is a a theory that Ronnie does come back, but her name is changed because her name has been changed. She got new papers but he's been writing her so she does remember him and she comes back and get married and they're Mike's parents. Yeah, because they actually took that name from a character who did.

1:23:05 He's not alive in the books. Yeah, because in the book they talk about finding her body, finding Ronnie. She's like 1/4 grader the day that dies so she's not even. They had a funeral. And I was thinking, well, maybe they did. And the writers could just say that Charlotte spread that rumor as a cover for why she's not there. Because she went away with Hank. Yeah. Yeah. Because. Where is. Where is? Where is Grandma Michelle? Where Grandma? Grandma was there though. She was at the farmhouse. She was at the farmhouse. They finally got her. They finally got her. Yeah. She was saying when they were packing the car, they had a box with something, I think it was a magazine or something with Natalie Wood on it.

1:23:51 And she was saying, yeah, we might want to put Natalie Wood in the back with Miss Grogan. Miss Grogan was sitting as she was walking to the back of the car. So yeah, she, they finally got her. I. Do not. They did now. What happened when they left the house to Save the Children? She got back in that chair. Yeah, she turned on her soap operas. But so Hank and Ronnie and and Misses Rogan, They're about to go try to cross the Canadian border. Leroy and Charlotte are getting ready to to move. They're packing up the house and Dick Halloran comes by to say goodbye to Leroy and they have a conversation because Dick is about to leave and what he say, he's about to He's going to take a bus to Boston. He's going to fly to London because a friend of his, he has a hotel and he wants him to try his hand at cooking. And I love it when Leroy was like, well, you know, if you get in trouble, you know who to call. He was like, how much trouble can a hotel be? Or maybe not, maybe none in London, but when in London to the States you going to have some issues. But to be fair, it might be in London because London's so old, so he probably will have similar things in London, which I hope that's what they make the show about because I know they're going to make a spin off.

1:25:16 I know they are, yeah. I've heard rumors that they want a Dick Halloran spin off, and I've heard someone suggest because if you've seen Jack Nicholson's son, he did this movie Smile where he does this creepy little smile look like he looked like his daddy. So somebody was like, yeah, we need to get a Overlook Hotel prequel, because at the end of The Shining, when you see that Jack Torrance has actually been in this hotel before and he's been there for a long time. I was like, OK, are they going to explain that? And they don't really. Yeah, y'all can do a little series and. Explain.

1:25:58 Yeah, but you know what? That that that was for the movie. And that was Kubrick. Yeah, that. Was a Kubrick he didn't like that he. Didn't like that. OK, he liked that. Yeah. 'Cause he also rented the way. Hank, I mean Dick being the hero in in the movie too and so he didn't like to like that, so he likes to they let him be a hero in this. OK, OK. You like it? It's a great movie, Kubrick is a great director, but King was not happy at all. This is a small thing and it it may just be me, but that moment between Dick and Leroy that that was a real hug it. Was. You don't really see depiction of black men showing that kind of love, care, respect for each other on film, especially mainstream stuff. So that that moment was really big for me because it. Was a.

1:26:56 Real moment. It felt real. Yeah, I mean, because I mean, think about it, you both have this really contentious start and you were kind of butting heads the whole time. But when you go through something like y'all went through, that creates a bond. And that was, you know, going back to what Dina was saying, if Ronnie does come back. Because one of the things I thought about, I was like, they're 12, there's no way they're going to get married to their 12 year old sweetheart. But if they do remember, like if Will is there, he remembers all of this stuff, who else is he going to bond with and have something in common with that he can, You know, one thing about when you have partners, this is somebody you can tell everything to that you can unburden yourself with.

1:27:41 He's not really want to hit that with anybody. Else SO. If if they do end up together, it it would kind of make sense. And then if they end up dying in the fire, that's Pennywise, you know, taking care of both two of the kids that had something to do with, you know, his defeat at this time. But yeah, going back to Dick and and Leroy, I really loved that moment because I was like, you know what? That's that's healing on both of their parts. You know, And I feel like, like you said, Anthony, I feel like there was a lot of respect there. And I also feel like it was an unspoken apology on both ends, like not something you necessarily need to say, but that hug, you felt it.

1:28:29 And then when Dick was like, you got to keep in touch, man. You got to keep me updated on Will and Shar. He was like, I thought you didn't care. He was like, don't tell nobody. But I was like, you can tell Dick has a soft spot for the for the kids now. I don't know if it was that, if it was that, if it was that moment in the the black spot where he almost left them and he turned around and came back. Maybe that changed him or something. But it's like the way that he looked at Richie when when Rich, when his ghost showed up, the way he looked at him when he was at the funeral. I mean literally after the funeral was over, Rich was standing there with his hands on both of his parents shoulders and his dad could feel it. You can see him reaching for but not quite touching. It comes over and sits next to his dad just randomly. And he looks at them.

1:29:22 And he was like that, that hand you feel on your shoulder. Both of his parents turned and looked and said, yes. He was like, that's your boy, and he will always be there. And I love that moment because we know Rich's parents and his family. They believe in the other world. Yeah. So I love that they were able to have that moment to know that, you know, Rich was there with them. And Dick, I felt like, I don't know, maybe that was his kind of way of apologizing too, for not being able to save Rich because he tried, you know, he, he really tried to go back for Rich and March, but the ceiling fell down. So I that, that whole little scene and, and with Dick it, it was very healing.

1:30:12 I loved it. I was like, yes, this is what we need. And I think also that, you know, he probably also looked at those kids and how brave they were and really like admired the fact that all these kids was just willing to fight back. And like, you know, even with Rich, I'm dead, but I'm still here fighting the good fight probably was very inspired by that. When you look at him later and how he related to Danny, when he found out he had the Shining, he immediately took the Danny, you know. And so I think he definitely something changed within him, something is not. And then he helps. He helps another kid in doctor sleep, right? So I didn't.

1:30:54 I haven't seen Doctor Sleep. I haven't read it yet. I've seen the movie. It's a plan. He he helps another kid in doctor sleep, right? Or was it an adult that he was helping? It was Danny as an adult. Oh no, doctor sleep. He helped a kid in the. Book. In the movie, he helped a kid. She was a teenager. OK, yeah, but young, I mean, even 12 maybe, I don't remember. But he was helping the kid. He was helping the. About the same age as. OK, OK. But yeah, I mean. Well, Danny was helping the kid, and he was helping Danny. He.

1:31:34 Was helping Danny OK OK. But then the last thing is while there's well it's it's a couple of things. Rose talks to Leroy and Charlotte about staying in dairy. She was like, we really want you on the council because the military has given Leroy an honorable discharge because they're like, if you keep your mouth shut, you you can leave out. And that, I don't know. That didn't sit right with me. I was like, I feel like they're not going to let it go that easily. I was like, yeah, they're telling him they're going to leave him alone. But I have. I have a feeling if they had left, they probably would have monitored him and Charlotte for the rest of their lives. But then Rose comes and she gives them the solution. She was like, hey, we really want you guys on the council, She said.

1:32:24 Because you both are steadfast and I feel like you will help keep an eye on them to make sure they don't try to attempt this again. She said cuz this is not the last time something like this is going to happen. And at first they're like, yeah, no, we've had enough of dairy. But I saw on Charlotte's face, I was like, Charlotte is going to be the reason why they stay which. She a crusader. She a crusader. She she has a purpose. Yeah. And also, I think she really wanted to make sure that whatever they could do to make sure that doesn't happen to other kids, I really think that she was like, you know what? She was a teacher and her trade. She was a teacher.

1:33:07 So she, you know, she couldn't just sit there and just let people up, you know what, leave them to their own devices. She, you know, the little boy was getting beat up in the street and she was the only one that ran over there to help him, you know? So that's now they understand why and this is a, this is a purpose so that this doesn't get out into the world and they got some major goals to try to do something about it. So you know you got this piece for at least 27 years. Yeah. So. And it explains why you got a farm. And she explained, she said, Oh, yeah, you grew up on the farm, OK. Yeah, because, she said. I'm not. I'm not touching no sheep. I'm not helping nothing.

1:33:50 Nope. Oh, that's funny. I'm not touching no sheep. I know, but Ronnie and Wil were cute. Yeah, they got, they had their first little kids because kids will is like, well, you know, if we're going to move away, we're going to forget. And I don't want to forget. Well, I want to forget the bad stuff. I don't want to forget you. But I, I like the fact that they're going to stay now because again, he gets to, he gets to remember the good parts about it and. He's going to write her and she probably won't forget because of him writing her. Yeah, but I but that does kind of make you wonder about.

1:34:31 And again, I need to go back and and rewatch the two it movies, the recent ones that tie into this one, because we see a older March in those movies, right? Yeah, because she's the one that's so obsessed with everything that he's doing or is. That no, no, that's. Eddie. 'S mom. That's a yeah. You only see his mom at the permissible. That's it. When they were, you know, when he went to his friend. I can't think of it. The one who killed himself unlock themselves staying staying.

1:35:15 Staying yours. Yeah. So I just wonder, like, if Will was still there and obviously Marge. Marge was still there. She never moved out. I'm wondering, did the friendship stay? Like, did they stay friends? Because you see them before Ronnie and will leave when they're in the tower and you see Lily and Marge having a conversation about Pennywise because Marge is telling Lily what he told her she was like. You know, he told me I'm going to have a son, and my son and his friends are responsible for his death 27 years from now. But he also said that he experiences the past, present and future at the same time.

1:35:59 She was like, what if? What if this means that he can go backwards? Do you think he will try to go back and maybe kill someone from out from their time to make sure that we're not born? And Lily's response was really weird to me because she is almost like she looked at it and she thought about it. She just went past my screen. But she was like, well, that'll be that'll be for some someone else to deal with. Which in a sense I can understand that because Lily was probably like, look, I'm about to rebuild my life like, but at the same time it's like, well, I guess. Well, first of all, how, how, how, how's he going to go back in?

1:36:43 Time. Yeah, that's what I was. Right. I mean, like it's, it's we, I thought like now we're just hoping that, you know, our relatives fight, they fight. I mean, that's all we can do, you know? Because I was going to say she would have there. There's it's not like they can, it's not like they can send a note back to the past. They can't time travel. So yeah, it's. Just and she probably also was just trying to like not calm March down, but like also not one to make her feel like she was crazy like people have been making her feel this whole time. So she probably was just trying to like, it's going to be OK. We can't do nothing about it's fine. Like the kind of, you know, because she probably, you know, didn't want her to feel like she's been feeling for like however long a year or whatever it's been.

1:37:31 Yeah, not that. Fight for someone else's fight. Right, right. Yeah, put in the time. But I, I loved this episode. I love this series. This is like one of the best series that I've seen this year and I think I I might go so far as to say this is probably one of the best King adaptations that they've done. Yeah. Oh, don't forget about the Bev cameo at the end. Oh yeah, with Miss Kirsch. Yes, yes, Miss Kirsch. They got her in Juniper Hill.

1:38:16 She's she's going crazy talking about, you know, the wolves. The wolves are out there. They after me. They killed my. Daddy and Oh my God. And they turned on the record and I was like how do y'all know about the And I was like, oh I forgot she worked there. So they probably do she probably because I think she turned on that record. In. The vision that we saw of her with when she first saw Mabel, when Mabel talked about Pennywise, didn't she? Didn't she play that record or something? I can't remember, but I know I. Can't remember. I know she did play it, yeah. Yeah, so they play it and it immediately calms her down. And then we see time jump to 26 years later, she's painting Pennywise's Hannibal.

1:39:01 Well, her dad's hand. Let me say that. She's painting her dad's hand. She hears a scream from down the hall. It's a commotion. She gets up, she goes down the hall. Now this is the thing that I was confused about because generally if someone has committed suicide in the room you just going to let random people walk up in The Walking? Yeah. Nobody paid her any attention. First of all, it's probably a common occurrence at Jennifer Hill. Yeah, but nobody is surprised. Yeah, and I get that. But to just let somebody just walk in the room? But I guess it's also that thing too where the patients just kind of were free to just kind of roam and then they, you know, anytime something went down crazy, they just, they were just there and they wouldn't know what was going on because they was all, you know, pretty disturbed or whatever. So they didn't really take story. It's not like me walking in off the street going oh snap, that Lady hung herself.

1:40:01 I guess I just wondered if they would take more caution because if this woman is in Juniper Hill and she has hung herself, you have other people in Juniper Hill who have those same tendencies. Because what did the cops say when he came out? He was talking about what what was her mom's name? Alfredo. Alfredo Marsh, He said, yeah, because she's dead. She's really dead this time. So this obviously is not the first time she's tried this. My thing is, you have other other patients in your hospital who probably have the same things. You really want them to see that, Like you wouldn't do more to keep them away from that. First of all, they. Didn't care.

1:40:43 One, no, they didn't care, and two, this is dairy. Yeah, also. That's dairy, yeah. Things there don't always go how they probably should. And it's 26 years later, so it's right at the start of the next cycle. So yeah. And it's like also, you know, they didn't the stuff that we have in place now as far as laws and rules and protocols, they didn't have that stuff. And even in the 80s, honey, they used to smoke in hospitals back in the decades. Yeah, you're right, You're right. Oh yeah, 'cause my my dad worked at Central State Hospital. For real, my mom. Put that hospital down. Let's see, there you go. And so he.

1:41:25 They were, they were getting kickbacks and they were using money and taking money and housing people who didn't need to be there so they can get the money and they were doing all kinds of illegal stuff. They were doing a lot of bad stuff there. But yeah, they're in the 80s because I used to go hang out with him. Yeah, he smoked in his office. You know, everybody was smoking back then. And yes, the patients, OK, the residents did walk around freely. If they were, if they were kind, I don't want to say harmless, but if it wasn't like my dad didn't work in the prison because since they did have a couple of prisons on the ground for the criminally insane, but his his buildings, the the ones that had patients, they walked around, I mean, and.

1:42:12 I'm not saying they couldn't be walking around but my my my my issue is y'all let her walk into a crime scene like. He wouldn't even. He wouldn't even consider the crime scene, Really. Yeah. Yeah. No, no, no, no one's taking fingerprints. When when when she gets into the room, there is a young girl and a man on the ground. They're crying. They're they're kind of hugged up on each other. And then the man elbows the girl off of him. And when she does that, Missus Kirsch's face changes like, like, it's it's almost like she had a flashback. Yeah.

1:42:53 And she told Beverly because that's when she turns around and we see that it's Beverly. And this girl did not age. They, I, I think they just filmed that scene. I think I read seven months ago. Why does she still look like she did in 2019 in the movie? Michelle says she looks like something she's in now, like. She doesn't change, that's what I'm saying. I knew. I knew they didn't do no aging because she looks like that in all her fault and she's playing a young lady in all her fault. Like she's playing maybe 20 and all her fault and she looks exactly how she did in it in it. So no, she has not aged.

1:43:34 That's why I was like, oh, OK, so they could use her because she was she looking the same. But so, yeah, Missus Kirsch looks at Beverly, and Beverly has tears because her mom just committed suicide. And she looks at it. She says, oh, dear, you know what they say about dairy? What does never, never stays dead. I was like, oh, here we go. The start of the cycle, right? He was creepy. He was. He was, but that of course ties into the IT movies and that was the end of our season. But it was great it.

1:44:18 Was great. It was. Right, This was a really, really good Stephen King. You can't call it an adaptation, right? But it's a really good. Based on based. On characters, continuation of a story or prequel of a story. Yeah, and I don't think he had. A fleshed out story he. Didn't have anything to do with, it did. He he couldn't, they say. He was a frequent consultant. Today, Yeah, yeah. They said. They they talked to him about it. But they they did a good job. Filled with. Gaps and and not really contradicting what was already done. They did a really good job.

1:45:00 You know, like when we first watched that first episode, I feel like we are years away from that first episode with how far we have come in the story. Because I'm look, I just was watching the video of like Phil and Teddy and and them and I was just like. It almost feels like we thought they were. Characters in this show that were like going to be in the show and like we're so. Far removed from that. Now. Yeah, it's crazy, but they, I mean, they really did a good job with this. And I know that I saw something yesterday saying that they have been renewed, but then when I looked it up today, they have not been renewed yet. Better be better to it. I'm a need.

1:45:42 OK, so then I saw something fake then because I saw like like when stuff is coming out and I was like, well that's a long time because it said. 2027 is when it's estimated season 2 would come out. Right. And that's what it said. And then 2028 was season chapter 3. And then the next year they actually have it Chapter 3. Oh, OK. So I mean, because everything was matching up because it show went the other it's came out and this when this came out and then it said 2027 because I was like, man, that's a year that it will be. And then what did it say summer?

1:46:31 One of them was summer and one was sometime in 2027. Now I do know that he he apparently has an outline for what he wants to do for seasons 2 and. 3 So I guess that's what I saw. There's an outline and then thinking about a movie it like it would because some stuff may change. Oh yeah. Especially if he is able to go back and change some stuff that might, yeah. And then he said his it's his goal to not have to make us wait very long if he can help, if he can do that so. Yeah. And I mean, considering, considering the way that TV shows are nowadays, 2027 is not really that far off.

1:47:14 I mean, we're literally halfway through December 2025. Yeah. So 2027 is not that far off. It's not like 2 years, three years, four years, four years, some shows. So I I could do a 2027. I just need them to not hold up. Don't make us stoop on this. If if we going, if we going to get a second season, please let us know. We're going to get a second season. And then it says it, it says summer. If this is right, summer 2027. And so they're talking about that. They rejected Paramount, so it's definitely going to be Netflix. And so I guess they might not say things until after they've finalized the merger. The.

1:48:01 Money got to be right. The money got to be right. And first of all, Netflix, this is this is their type of show. So I think they'll be fine. Yeah, 'cause I was going to say, 'cause I think isn't Mike is. Is Mike Flanagan's Dark Tower series going to be on Netflix? I can't remember. This Carrie one's coming out. I need the Carrie. It's coming out. The lady's doing Carrie, too. Yeah, Stranger Things replacement. OK, OK. But yeah, I that. One doesn't seem looking. Forward too, because Mike Flanagan, especially when it comes to this type of horror, Yeah, he's good. So I I'm ready to see what he's going to do with the Dark Tower series.

1:48:49 Yeah. So Carrie will be out next year. I think it's miniseries. OK, Yeah. So can either can either Mike Flanagan or the machetes can can they go back and redo the stand because I need to do over. I think Anthony and I hate watched that thing. It was only 6 episodes but we hate watched it because they could have. They could have just left it the way it was. They could have left it the way it was. They could have left it the way it was so. Nobody listens to those podcasts. If y'all can, if y'all can get either or to do the stand again, please let's do that.

1:49:30 Let's. No, this is just leaving alone. I don't. I don't. You know what? I would actually be interested to see what Mike Flanagan would do with it. Yeah. He can do it. No, it's just. No, it's just, no, it's just leave. It but this was a great show and I know there I've seen some people have some complaints about it. I think I saw one complaint about how everything just conveniently kind of worked out and I'm like, because we already know what happens in the future, so it's like for it to not right it. Kind of has to. Yeah, but also just a little bitty things that they did change. I didn't have a it didn't affect the story for me.

1:50:13 Like the fact that the the years were a little bit off, like I think in the book, because I've just started rereading it, it was 58 when Georgie died. So there. Look, it's about a four year difference, doesn't really change too much, you know, so. I mean, I, I have, I don't really have any things, but like I say, I really think it's really hard to do something when you already know how it ends. Yeah. I mean, so they did a good job working within that framework and come in with a lot of original stuff that doesn't really change the lore.

1:51:01 And after watching all these YouTube videos I didn't realize there was that much lore about it and the Dark Tower and how all that stuff is related. Like. All the same as part of the Dark Tower universe, and I think I said on the previous podcast that was one thing I was not going to get involved in was the Dark Tower. I just, I'm staying away from it. I'm going to continue to stay away from it. I know people rave about it, people love it, but the Dark Tower and HP Lovecraft, I'm just leaving those things alone. I don't want anything to do with it.

1:51:41 See, I've read The Gunslinger and I haven't read the others because like I said, I got to a point where I couldn't read Stephen King for a while because it was it was staying too much in my head. But I think I'm probably going to revisit them, especially since the series is coming out, because I do kind of want to have some knowledge. And I believe, doesn't Randall Flagg appear in the Dark Tower series too? Yes. He's tied into that, too. Yeah, that's when I found out the stand was then you then you find out that Stephen King created the Dark Tower universe, which all of his works fall into the Dark Tower universe. OK. Oh my God. And he connected it all.

1:52:23 So I'm just, I can't because then I'll end up reading every single Stephen King book and I can't. Like who has that kind of time? I don't have that. Time. I have a whole bookshelf in my bedroom that's got most of the Stephen King stuff. I think I have maybe five of the Richard Bachman books that he wrote under. And then a few years ago at Spirit Halloween, I was in there. It was right before Halloween, so they had a whole bunch of stuff on clearance and they had this, and I think I paid like $4.00 for it, but it's like a newspaper article for it.

1:53:06 That's. Cool. Oh, that's kind of cool, yeah. So it's like bodies of missing kids found in dairy sewer system. So this would be after after it is defeated. That's when they, you know, when they found the kids. So yeah, I was like, oh, I'm going to get this. So it's sitting on top of my Stephen King bookcase and I usually have my copy of it sitting right next to it, but it's sitting on my night stand now because I want to start rereading it. But yeah, I, I may try to get into the Dark Tower books maybe next year. I don't know. There's there are several things that I do want to try to read, especially before movies or TV shows come out. I think the one I really want to focus on, I really, really, really, really, really need to go back and reread the Odyssey because it's been a damn long time. And I'm, I kind of want to see what Christopher Nolan is about to do with that.

1:54:01 But yeah, the, the Stephen King stuff. I, I wouldn't mind seeing the stand redone, right? If if they can do it just just to get the the bad taste of that other one out my mouth because that just it it just it just it just was not. No, just no. It was not good, but I don't know I, I, I enjoyed this I I'm ready for season 2. Don't make us wait too long for it, y'all. That's right.

1:54:42 Give us, give us a renewal, give us something to hold on to because that's the. Truth like don't make us lose interest. You know what, with as good as this one was, I won't lose interest but y'all will piss me off. Like I don't want to have to wait two and three and four years. Like Stranger Things is lucky that it is so good because other than that I'd have given up on it a long time ago. Definitely. Yeah, I mean, that is true. Because I mean, I feel like with the way that they've spaced how, how often it comes out, I really thought I was like, I'm going to be retirement age by the time this last season comes out.

1:55:26 I mean, yeah. So I mean, stranger things. Luckily we found out the House of the Dragon is coming back next year. That one wasn't quite as long. I think that was like 2 1/2 years. But still it's like. That's crazy. I just want to go back to work. TV days where we were getting 22 episodes of season every fall like clockwork. They're like, but they're also not paying people that that kind of money anymore either, so. But it can still be, I'm sorry, it can still be once a year, especially if you're not heavy, if you're not heavy CGI. And and like 30 million episodes you can really. You do?

1:56:10 Yeah. You're doing 6 to 8. And we was getting Game of Thrones every year. So I don't know. They decided to do this weird two and three-year period for six episodes. And and there was Dragons. Yeah. So now also pre COVID a lot of things changed. After COVID changed a lot of things. Yeah. It did, but I know they feel like now it's money so but it's driving me crazy. Yeah, me too, because I'm like, like you said, I mean, if if you think about it, Daryl Dixon, we we've gotten that every year, even though, yeah, there's no CGI in that.

1:56:50 But still, it's kind of like y'all doing 6 episodes Dead City, y'all, y'all got some. Y'all don't have a lot of CGI. Y'all have a lot of practical effects because y'all y'all are actually using walkers and y'all using some CGI but but not much. But we're getting that show every year. Yeah, but Bridgeton, you know I missed that last time. Yeah, we, yeah, we talked about that. So, so I don't know. But hopefully they won't make us wait for too long with this one because this this show was really, really good. And they, yeah, it, it really has renew my interest in in the IT Lord and in this universe.

1:57:35 Like, I really do want to go back and read the book and watch these movies and kind of connect the dots and see what I missed or what I've forgotten because again, I haven't read it in maybe almost 30 years. So yeah. I think I did like three or four years ago. Yeah, maybe we'll do a follow up. If we end up reading a book, we'll do a follow up or watch the movies and just kind of, you know, just talk about how they connect and what we hope to see when they discussed 1935 and then nineteen O 8. Because I think that would be really interesting to see what stories they pull because of course we're not going to get the kids from this season and the next season unless they happen to do a flash forward type thing. Like, you know, they showed us the picture of Richie Tozer in this one, just kind of pulling him back. So maybe they'll do something like that. But we're we're done with this group of losers. But I I like them.

1:58:39 I did. They had they had some issues in the beginning, some more than others, but I like this group of kids. They were really good group. They acted very well. Again, Rich. Hands down my favorite character. Like no no contest. And Hank, Grogan and Patty were probably my least favorite. And Frank? More so than saw. I would not tolerate. Hank slammed her. So, so the thing with Shaw is he got on my nerves, but I at least saw where he was coming from.

1:59:24 I, I knew what he was doing and I expected it for the type of person he was. I expected it. I wasn't expecting anything less. Hank being a father again. This thing, this thing that is a monster, that is just like a a clown that skipped to Malouin down the river towards your daughter and you just standing there with a gun in your hand. And he did the same exact thing in the fire. So it was not helpful. He ran, yeah. Yeah, I'm doing that. What I'm saying he did the same exact thing about you, have Ronnie running around looking for her dad. Yeah. Yeah, so, so, yeah, I just, yeah, Shaw, I can understand. I can, I can see even though I think he was dumb and I think he he got what he deserved.

2:00:11 And I'm so glad that they didn't do a whole like, you know, they they did the connection with him and Rose in the beginning. And you could kind of see he still kind of had that interest because when she walked into his office, you know, he straightened up. He button his jacket. Hey, Rose. I was like, they better not do it. They better not do it. They may not do it, and I'm glad they didn't because Rose deserves better. So yeah. But I mean, I knew what? I knew what he was about when he started looking for this thing and he was telling people, oh, yeah, we're doing this. Oh, yeah, we're we're we're doing water pipelines. Whatever bullshit excuse he gave to Rose, and then whatever he told Leroy, I was like, he's not being true for he's going to do something stupid.

2:00:59 So I expected it. So no, he's not my least favorite character because I knew what to expect from his character. It was coming. I knew it. So, yeah, I think even even with Ingrid, like she did some dumb stuff, she cost a lot of lives. But especially once that reveal came that Pennywise was her dad or that, you know, Pennywise took her dad, I wasn't expecting nothing different from her. I knew she was going cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs because Because if you can sit here, like you said, Anthony, if you can sit here and and watch or listen to this thing, munch on a child, you hear bones crunching and you still like PPP Papa. So you I expected it from her.

2:01:47 So she's she's not my least favorite and she did exactly what I expected her to do. Yeah, I like Will a lot. I thought he was. He had heart. I thought that him being the child of a military man, a hardcore military man, doesn't, you know, dropped out of the sky and burned up in a plane crash and just crazy stuff that's happened to him. And him being the kid who kind of stuck to his guns. He was a little nerd, little science geek and I and I and he just loved it. He found some friends and he went hardcore for his friends because he finally found friends. I thought he was the sweetest little thing and him and Rich made such a good friendship. I also kind of really liked the fact that Ronnie was kind of no nonsense, even though she did like annoy me for being so like about some things, like no, just sit and listen and and learn and follow what's happening.

2:02:47 But I liked her because I like that she did. She didn't take no smack. Yeah. You know, it's hard being a a child without a without your, you know, your parent being there, especially your mom and your girl and your and raised up by your grandma, who she know grandma sitting there watching that story, baby watching. Her stories while her while her granddaughter's just off, you know, killing clowns and and doing all this other kind of stuff. So, yeah, yeah. So I definitely, I liked her character because I just think that, you know, I think also because I've seen a lot of people too, it's really frustrating because she, you know, she's a young black girl and she's not a pushover and she's not, you know, weak minded for the most part.

2:03:32 And she's not little whiny weak like Lily was being. You know how people always have this attitude towards black women who are oh, like, oh, girl in eyes and she's the villain and she's the this and duh, duh, duh. And even for Charlotte, like, I don't think Charlotte was a villain, but I saw somebody write something up about her and I was just like, see, I get tired of people acting this way towards black women because black women tend to be stronger than their counterparts. And we tend to have more of a like you, not you not doing me like this kind of attitude, you know? And I get tired of people being angry about that, like, because they want they want them to be weak and follow every little thing. No, because sometimes you got to ask questions.

2:04:13 Sometimes you got to say Nah, step back and buck against the system like you. See, that was my struggle at the beginning because I was like, I like the fact that she's strong. I like the fact that she's assertive. But also, girl, look at what time you're in and where you are and the fact that you doing all this stuff and you don't like. It would be different if you grew up in Derry and you knew that there were some people yet, like, yeah, you still going to have your races, whatever, whatever. But at least if you had some kind of community or somebody who's going to have your back, Like if you and Rose had been friends already at that point and started causing trouble, then I would have felt a little bit better because at least you have somebody to help you. But you doing all this stuff, you have nobody. That was the thing that was bothering me. Girl, Get your put your feet in the ground first, kind of get your your footing before you do all this other stuff because that was my worry.

2:05:12 Yeah, and that's the thing, like, yeah, that's totally, that's totally, you know, like, I get that. I just mean the people who are just like, oh, she's a real villain because. She did this and she did. That and I'm like. No, the real villain is ain't Grogan. Oh my God, I I liked a lot of things about the show. The kids were great. I just think Bill Skarsgard has got to win some kind of award. Has too. It's a horrible. Phenomenal. Right. They don't really. But he he really deserves it because if you watch a lot of the behind the scenes stuff, he did a lot of practical stuff, yes.

2:05:54 Like being on top. Of that refrigerator. Yeah, a lot of that stuff was practical and he he looked like he really was into it. He really enjoyed it. It looked like he was having fun and he's scary and even his interviews I'm like, I'm waiting for Pennywise to come out so. But it's so funny because. I'm giving him a lot of credit. For that, he's he's, he's scary. And then as soon as they yell cut, he's making sure the kids are OK. I love that. I was like, I like this. So it's funny because they're like, yeah, it's so weird. Like we're, we're at the craft table and you see Pennywise sitting over there like I can't even imagine.

2:06:34 One of them, one of them said he, he did, he was doing something in the scene and he, he was really beat, you know, freaking out or whatever. And then when they said cut, I think it was Rich, Rich or one of them, he looked at him and he was like, man, you are so good. Because he was trying to see if the kid was OK. And the kid was like, wow, you're really good. But the kid was sitting there screaming Oh my God, Oh my God. Cut. Man, you're really good at that. And then he said they had him, threw him off a little bit. I'm sure he's like, wait, what? Yeah, he, he, he deserves awards for this because he has elevated Pennywise just in a way I was not expecting.

2:07:23 Like, yes, Pennywise is scary. He is in some ways humorous, like even the little humorous TC did in this one. You know, when he was like tough crowd right before he disintegrated. And then when he came out of the the illusion that Dick had, he was like tricky, Tricky Dicky, just, you know, just being funny without it being overly funny, but enough for you to be like, OK, you know what? Tim Curry will always have a place in my heart as Penny Wise, but Bill Skarsgard took it to a whole new level and and it's it's now it's going to be hard to not be iconic.

2:08:12 Right. When people talk about scary clowns, they're not going to talk about Ed Dean or, you know, the terrorizer. They're going to. They're going to talk about Pennywise. Yeah, yeah. And I mean, and I don't think, I don't think we necessarily have to say 1 is better than the other. Tim Curry did a phenomenal job with it for the time. Because also a lot of the stuff that we see now, they, they couldn't do some of that stuff back then, you know, and I, I think that's one of the things about remakes and stuff like sometimes, yes, I get tired of singing remakes. But if you have a way to elevate the story and you do it right, I don't have a problem with it.

2:09:04 Like this was done right. Yeah. They really took, they really took the characters of the story and and they kind of, you know, they they raised the stakes, but also they stayed true to the, to the Canon love of this story. And then they added stuff to it that enhanced it without taking away from what Stephen King originally wrote. And I love that when you can do that and still keep the heart of the story, keep, still keep the core of the story that that's a win for everybody. So yeah.

2:09:47 You guys have any final thoughts about it? Welcome to Dairy. Renew it now. Now. And you know, we. Yeah. Where were you at? The show is one of the best shows of the year. Agreed. Agreed. Agreed, and say the best because Stranger Things is floating around out there. Somewhere, Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it is. It is one of the best. I mean wow wow. Like it did not have a bad episode. No. Drawing in to the story. Yeah, I can't say which one was my favorite because they were all great.

2:10:30 I. Don't know, I would definitely say the last two are in that top 2, but it I I think top episode. I think I would I think I must say the black spot simp, and that is mainly due to rich the the way that that young actor like he acted his ass off in that episode. And I think that I think that pushes it over the top for me. And then just kind of the way that they wrapped the story up and, and kind of gave us a little bit background in this last episode. That makes it second for me.

2:11:14 As far as the other ones, I, I don't know, I, I honestly maybe the first one just because of how scary it was and how it's like you literally open the show with what the fuck? And you end the show, the episode with what the fuck? And it's just kind of like, if this is where y'all start, where are y'all going from here? And I, and I really think they kept that momentum with the rest of the show. Yeah, so. Yeah. And it wasn't just horror and gore. It was hard. It was beautiful. Like story and family and and not lore. And I like all the different people involved.

2:11:55 Not, you know, it was, it was. Yeah, it. Was good. Yeah, it's good. So, like Dana said, hurry up and renew the show. Right. Now and on that note, that is it for our show. You can find us online at www.phantomhybrid.com. We are on social media on all the social media at Phantom Hybrid. You can chat with us on our Discord channel, you can watch our videos on our YouTube channel, and you can listen to us on all major podcast streaming platforms. Thanks for listening. We hope you join the conversation next time.