IT: Welcome to Derry (Season 1 Episode 3) - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #384

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What's up, hybrids?
Welcome back to another episode

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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast.
This is Hanukkah and I am here

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with Anthony, Michelle and Dina
and we are discussing episode 3

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of it.
Welcome to Dairy Listen.

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I just want to start out with
no.

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Absolutely.
Not you know what that's.

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A.
Which part?

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Which part?
Like which part?

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When I was 13, a friend and a
friend and I actually got lost

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in the woods.
So no, this this is a no.

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That's.
Not.

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So like I was telling Dana
before we started recording,

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anytime I see that fast run,
it's a no for me when something

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starts running fast the way that
that thing started running fast

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in the in the forest, in the
woods, no.

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And then he starts change.
Nope.

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Nope.
But also, I ain't going in the

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woods, so we good.
But I'm also not going to grave

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sites at night either.
You.

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Know not as.
A kid or perform or perform

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rituals whether I.
Know or not right, that part.

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Yeah, listen, there's just OK,
first of all, so.

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The whole episode was a no.
No, no, no, no, no.

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But OK, so let's take this from
the top because the episode

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starts out in 19 O 8 and we see
a little kid at a carnival.

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First of all, that's already
sketchy given what story we're

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talking about.
So this little kid is going

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through looking at all the
carnival things.

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He's listening to the the the
carnival Barker talking about

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the IT was like the, the, the,
the weird and oddities and stuff

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like that.
So when this kid is walking

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around, he happens to look over
to the side.

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There is a a a clown, a, a
female clown from the looks

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over, but a clown with red
balloons.

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And it's like immediately his
facial expression changes.

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No, the moment you look at that
and you feel like something is

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off in your spirit that tells
you you need to go find your

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daddy, you need to get the hell
out of dodge.

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But what do you do?
No, you go into the what is it?

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The House of Mysteries.
Of course 'cause you know.

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That's the way you go.
We just got to know things.

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Apparently got.
To be curious.

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And you know what, He's a kid.
I can get the curiosity.

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I can get one and to look at the
strange things, the thing that I

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wasn't understanding, and maybe
it's just me as somebody with

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common sense.
Maybe it's just me as a black

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child, you know, a black person
who, you know, there are certain

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things that when you look, black
kids and white kids just do

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differently.
You see something off in the

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distance in one of the other
rooms, and you follow it by

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yourself.
Yeah.

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Now you know enough to be weary
when you walk into the room and

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you see this guy in shadow
telling you, come here, come

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closer, come closer.
You taking baby steps and you

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looking like, I don't want to do
this.

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What?
Why the hell are you doing?

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Why are you doing it?
Why?

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Why?
Why?

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What was like was something
actually pulling you because you

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look like you were doing it of
your own free will.

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I do, I mean, I wonder about
that because, like, he was

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clearly scared.
And it's not like he had to

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listen to that old.
What was that old, fragile old

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man going to do?
You know, tell your daddy that

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you wouldn't come here in a
haunted house.

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Right, right, maybe something
was influencing him because or

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he just real dumb.
I don't know.

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But when he goes up to the guy
and the guy, you know he likes a

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match and he shows his face as
the old guy.

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He's missing some teeth, he's
missing an eyeball.

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But otherwise he seems pretty
harmless really.

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Harmless.
I'm saying this particular guy,

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because I don't think that was
the same guy in the woods.

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I think, no, it wasn't, but he
was harmless.

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But this guy was harmless,
right?

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Like you literally could just
blow on him.

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Oh no, he scared the hell out of
me.

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Oh, with no teeth but we don't
look like when we get old 'cause

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we will have our dentures.
Today we don't have our dentures

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on.
We just.

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And then the kids start running.
He had a black space where I was

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supposed to be.
You know, sometimes we will miss

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eyes, you know?
That part didn't even bother me

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because I've seen and I've seen
enough TV where you know people

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were missing the eye.
They don't really replace it

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with that hasn't bothered me.
Plus I've seen The Walking Dead

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with glands.
Eyeball was literally dangling

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eye ankles.
The the blank space is not

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bothering me.
But when the kid runs out of the

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thing because obviously this man
has scared him now.

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OK, now you're scared.
He runs out, bumps into his dad.

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They leave.
Dad gives him a slingshot, which

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is going to be important later
on in the story of it because

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that's how the kids defeat it.
You know, they they hit them

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with a what was it?
They they had melted down some

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change into some silver change
into like a Yeah, it was.

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A silver dollar, I think.
Made melted change.

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Yeah.
So that the slingshot becomes

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important later.
And I was reading something

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earlier today and it was talking
about the most recent versions

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of it where they didn't even
have the slingshot.

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And I was like, you know, I
really didn't need to go back

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and rewatch those they had.
A They were using a boat gun.

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They're using the boat gun that
they used for for livestock.

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Yeah, thank you.
I just remember.

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That OK but I'm glad they
brought the slingshot back

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because the slingshot is
actually important in the

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original it story.
Iconic.

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Yeah, it is.
It's just because it was the

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time period of the last it it
was later.

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I know kids who don't want to be
picked on is walking around with

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a slingshot.
Yeah, I I think that, but a bolt

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gun makes perfectly sense for
children to walk around and play

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with at this.
Yeah.

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I I mean it, I I I got.
Carrollton Dairy.

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I, I got nothing.
I got nothing.

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But you know, when they're on
the way home, did this kid and

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his dad, they're the car breaks
down and he stops on the side of

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the road.
There's a couple of, there's a

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few native children selling
water by the side.

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He goes to by the water.
He doesn't have enough money.

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And the little girl, you know,
basically is like, well, you

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don't have enough money, You can
give me that slingshot.

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Or at least that's what she
infers by looking at it.

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And then we see and next scene,
they actually become friends.

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So they're, you know, running
around playing with each other,

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having a good time.
This is where I start having

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problems because obviously this
little girl knows that something

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ain't right about the woods
because as they get real close

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to it and and Francis, the
little boy starts running into

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it, she starts telling him, no,
Francis, don't go in there.

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Don't go in there.
Excuse me, why did you wait

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until you got so close before
telling him?

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Oh, no, don't go in there.
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As soon as you saw the general
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y'all should have stopped about
200 feet back and you should

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have been like, no, let me tell
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We don't go into the woods.
You didn't have to tell him a

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monster was in the woods.
You could have just said, you

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know what?
We're not allowed.

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You know, just like when we were
kids on my street, our

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apartments, we can go out and
play.

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But there was like, you know how
you have speed bumps at certain

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intervals in the apartment
complex?

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We couldn't go past that first
speed bar.

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That was about as far as my
mother can see.

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You couldn't go past that speed
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You could have told him that,
no, we can't go into the woods.

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We're not allowed whatever.
I, I, I'm going to defend her.

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I have a feeling he, he wouldn't
have listened to her anyway

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because we already, they already
established that he's a go

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forward kind of person when he
went into the House of

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mysteries.
But this is number 2 #2 in her

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mind, she's not thinking that he
doesn't know because she's so

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used to playing with kids who
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So by the time she registered
with her where he was going,

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she's like, oh wait, you need to
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So he he wasn't.
He just had.

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He was so happy.
So he was like where you left

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her way behind?
Yeah.

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But the the first one that you
say, Anthony, I think my thing

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is not necessarily that he
wouldn't have listened to her.

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Like I was telling Dana, we were
talking about it before, I think

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because she was just like, hey,
no, don't go in there, Don't go

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in there.
I mean, she's literally chasing

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him.
They're playing a game of chase.

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So maybe he it's not that he
would have just went in there

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anywhere.
I think he thought maybe she was

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just that was part of the game,
like, Oh, you can't go in there.

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And then once he stops, she's
going to tag him or whatever it

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was they were playing.
So you know what?

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We even.
She may not have realized.

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She may not have realized where
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because she was having a good
time too.

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Yeah.
And she's a hold up.

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I know who we are.
Don't go in there.

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It's too late.
Care lot don't go into the light

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'cause.
You know what, not not you think

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about now that I think about it,
now that we're talking about it,

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yeah.
Why would those kids playing so

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close to the woods anyway?
Well, they know not to go in

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there.
It's kids, it's kids.

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You tell them not to play over
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They play by the line to see.
I bet a few times they was like

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go over the line and.
Come to tea and.

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Come back.
Double dare.

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Yeah, double dog.
There, Yeah, right.

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So you know because.
Old people crazy.

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They don't.
Even know they.

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They don't.
They just don't want us to go in

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there, right?
Right.

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Right.
But yeah, So Francis enters the

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woods by himself, and all of a
sudden he's scared.

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And I was like, dude, that
moment that you walk in and you

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feel like something ain't right,
again, this is the moment for

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you to turn around and run.
He don't got the fight or

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flight.
He, he obviously does not.

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He, he sits there, he sees
something off in the distance

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moving and he's still sitting
there looking like he's trying

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to figure out, like you could
see it was the guy from the

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carnival.
And maybe he was just like, is

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that really what I said?
Do you know what?

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Paul asked.
You can figure that out later.

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That's that's all I'm saying.
Or never just.

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Go.
The dude starts coming at him

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and he's like disappearing and
showing up behind different

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trees.
Francis picks up a stick and

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he's like, leave me alone.
I was just like.

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Francis is.
About to die.

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He was about to.
I just, I really thought this

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kid was about to die.
I was like, oh, y'all about to

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start another episode off with
children dying.

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OK, whatever.
So the thing gets in front of

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him, scares him, and they take
off running.

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Francis is running like a little
kid runs.

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Nothing weird about that.
This thing starts picking up

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speed.
When they went to all fours.

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She's in trouble, dude.
Dude.

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Bally you in trouble?
Girl.

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Thank you.
I was about to say Bally, you in

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danger I You in danger I.
Was like Nope, pause, pause.

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I was like Nope, Nope.
I can't I something about

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something about creatures that
run like that.

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I can't no, because if there's
if there's no chance of me out

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running them, I just, I can't do
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That that's the part of horror
that I was like, you know what?

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I I can't, I can't deal with
this.

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It started with World War Z for
me when I saw all those zombies

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running at full speed.
Then it part, I think that was

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Part 2 that he did it in the,
the Bill Skarsgard Pennywise

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when he was in the basement with
the water, the eyes here.

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And then he comes.
No, no, I had nightmares for a

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week after that so this was no
better.

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And then like you say, he gets
on for all fours and he's no the

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fuck.
And this is not only that, his

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face starts changing, the teeth
start coming.

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He has the piranha teeth.
No, these people need to go to

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therapy who dream this stuff up.
Yeah.

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No, Yeah.
And then on top of all of that,

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The thing is slobbing.
He's like drooling.

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He's about to no.
Now y'all talking about OK I

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can, I can eat through all these
episodes but that's the one

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thing I'd be like OK I'm
disgusted.

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She gonna be like this.
I'm disgusted right?

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It be the jewel.
I won't be like this.

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The jewels start happening.
I see.

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I don't really like drool
though.

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I I still don't.
I'm still gonna eat.

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Y'all just don't understand.
I put my food down.

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I didn't eat.
But I'm I'm.

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I'm I'm.
Mentioning.

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But the but the drool, that is
the disgusting thing for me with

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him, 'cause even in the last in
the in the movie, which is

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different from the television
series, is that extra do with

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the drool 'cause it's like, it's
just, it's just to me describing

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like he really is so hungry,
like he can't even control it

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and he's ready to chomp down on
them.

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That has to do with the the
saliva spit like marrying

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sinners that I no what.
Well, that's a different type of

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drool, but we're not talking
about that drool.

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What I'm saying, baby, no, I
don't.

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Oh my God, That was the most
disgusting thing.

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So this.
Thing like Francis runs up under

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a log, this thing change.
And again, the way that this

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thing moves, it's not even just
that he's funny run, just that

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he's fun, just that he's running
fast.

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It's the like the physicality of
the way this thing moves.

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It's creepy as hell.
Like if I saw something like

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that running towards me, I'm
done.

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I'm done.
I'm going to blank out right

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there in the street when when
y'all await me, y'all are going

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to have to take me to a mental
hospital or something because

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I'm not.
My brain will not compute if I

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really.
I think it's, I think it's cool.

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You can kind of tell that he
hadn't really had it, hasn't

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really had contact with people
because they hadn't quite

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figured out how to hunt.
It's still real physical and not

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really not really mental like he
took.

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He took the form of something
the boy was afraid of, but he

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wasn't manipulating him like he
manipulates people.

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He was real primal.
And he took the form of

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something he was just recently
afraid of, not something that's

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been traumatizing him for life
because like with the other

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kids, it was they they would
always be something that has

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been bothering them forever.
Yeah, he could.

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Pull.
He could pull from your ass.

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In your.
Mind, yeah.

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Yeah.
And he was hungry.

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Yeah, and this was.
You're right, it is probably

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starving too because because the
the the indigenous people are

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keeping everyone out of there.
So that is true.

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But luckily for Francis, he has
an Indigenous friend.

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Because just as this thing is
about to chomp down on him, we

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see it get hit in the face, the
other eye actually, with a rock

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from the slingshot.
And Rose is like, come on, let's

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go, let's go.
So they're running out of the

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forest.
He keeps looking back, She said,

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don't look back.
Don't.

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Look back.
He.

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Said get back.
What's dude, first she told you

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not to go into the woods and you
went.

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Now she's telling you don't look
back.

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You keep looking back at this
thing.

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So when it blacked out, I was
like, oh, he's dead.

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He did.
Luckily he wasn't.

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But then the creepy song comes
on and I think we we touched on

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this in the last episode, but we
didn't really get to it.

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First of all, I need to know if
this was the actual song.

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I didn't get a chance to to look
it up 'cause we just got back

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from Conjuration.
I've been busy.

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But I need to know if this is
the actual song or was this the

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song that that only made for
this show because.

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What is it?
Something in ribbon?

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What is it?
A rib ribbon in my hair by

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Prudence or something, I think.
But oh.

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Smile on the ribbon.
Patience and prudence.

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That's a real song.
Oh, is it from when?

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From 1956 which?
Which tracks.

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Their songs are all creepy
because they put them in all the

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horror movies.
Yeah.

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I don't know what's wrong with
these folks.

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Why are they making these creepy
songs 'cause if you make a song

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as my sis.
Oh, this is perfect for a

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horror.
Ma'am.

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That's a problem.
It's it's psychological, 'cause

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it's not a scary song, but when
you put something that sounds

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sweet and childlike to something
this graphic and horrible,

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'cause like, perfect example 1-2
Freddy's coming for you.

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It's a freaking nursery rhyme.
Yeah, come on.

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That's like a logical warfare.
We need to get those peepers.

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Yeah.
Oh, right.

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Yes.
Or the other one?

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So the other one for one of his
movies is Did you ever see A

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Dream Walking?
Well I did and I'm like come on

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man, come on.
Like y'all prepping?

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You know, but there's something
about even the way that this

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song is sung, it just seems like
it's a creepy song.

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Like when I first heard it, even
before I saw the graphics that

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accompany it for the the opening
sequence.

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Because you have all of these
little old timey graphics

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cartoons with the, you know, the
kids in the little old fashioned

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underwear and they're like, you
know, swimming in the swimming

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hole.
And you've got the one kid

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that's about to have his, his
brain lobotomized.

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And you've got the little, you
know, you've got the eyes in the

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in the shadows and 1:00.
And then you've got Pennywise

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hanging on the building in the
other.

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I was like, even before you see
the graphics, if you just hear

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the song, I'm like, if I were to
hear this song playing just out

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in the open, like if I go
outside right now or if I go

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somewhere, if I go to a
carnival, you know, they do a

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lot of the street carnivals
here.

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They do a lot of the parking lot
carnivals.

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If I was at a carnival and I
heard this song, I'm turning

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around, going home.
I don't care how much money I've

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spent.
I don't care if I still have

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tickets in my pocket, I'm going
home.

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Yep, I remember when I first
heard the first few notes I was

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like skip we good, I don't need
that nightmare.

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Right, yes, That's when the skip
intro button becomes very

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attractive.
And I mean, I listened to it the

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first time, but I was just
sitting there looking at it

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like, why was this a real song?
I don't know.

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It does sound, I mean, because
all she's talking about is, you

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know, her pretty dress and her
ribbons and her hair.

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But then when you look at the
graphics behind, it's like, no.

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But later on in the episode, we
find out that this kid, Francis,

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is actually the general, the Air
Force general that, you know,

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basically is the one that is
looking for it.

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Which now I guess makes a lot
more sense because we talked

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about in the last episode, like,
if you don't know what you're

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looking for, you need to maybe
leave things alone.

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But obviously, he knows that
there's a monster around

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somewhere.
Yeah.

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And he's using handling, Major
Handling and Dick Halloran to

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locate this thing.
Now here's the other crazy part

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of this episode, because as we
learned in the last episode,

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Halloran has he has brain damage
from an old war, you know,

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injury and Hamlin right what I
say, Halloran.

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Yeah, I know it is weird 'cause
they're both Hamlin and Halloran

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and both, right?
Yeah, I know it gets

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complicated.
So basically, Hamlin feels feels

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No Fear.
So they're about to assign him

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to take Dick wherever Dick feels
like he needs to go.

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And they say, basically, Dick,
Dick Halloran is your compass.

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You're going to fly him wherever
he says to fly you.

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Now, this is the thing that was
bothering me about this.

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Carolyn knows that they are
looking for a weapon.

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He knows that it is a weapon
that is rooted in fear or that

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uses fear against people.
And that's why they want him to

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be the one to go help them get
it.

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OK, that's fine.
You have No Fear.

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Chances are it Pennywise is not
going to affect you, right?

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Because that's what Pennywise
feeds on.

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Fear tolerant.
He's he's the one with the

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Shining.
He has the psychic ability, so

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he can probably see the bad
stuff that's going to happen

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before it happens.
OK fine, y'all got Riley.

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Oh ignorant self just had to go
lucky.

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I'm just, I'm here for the ride.
Whatever.

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Have y'all even told this man
how dangerous this is that y'all

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got him flying shotgun on?
No, but you know.

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Or tell him he.
Cried or die, he going to go

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wherever handling go.
And die being the operative

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word, because this tells me that
like in this equation, in this

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trio, he's the one that's going
to end up dying.

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He didn't in this episode, but
he probably will later on

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because he's the only one that's
uninformed.

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00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:23,600
Well, yeah, but he he will go.
He will go into a situation

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swinging and then he'll ask him,
OK, what was up with that?

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You know what I'm saying?
Like.

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Napoleon Complex.
That's why he tiny.

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He a tiny man and he think he
bad.

414
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:39,720
Yeah, he just type the little
you know the the meme like the

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meme where you call your friend
and hey, I need you to do

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something with me.
We're going to go somewhere,

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we're going to do something.
What call we taking?

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That's the kind of.
Yeah, you can never ask me.

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You can never ask me about it.
Yeah, yeah, the Ben Affleck and

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Jeremy Renner one.
Yeah, I, I guess so, but I just,

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I was feeling some kind of way
about that.

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I was like, this man is is going
off on this mission.

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They have no, he has no idea
what to expect, like handling.

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He he just knows something weird
is about to happen.

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OK, Because you took him to you
took him to the big site.

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They dug up the they dug up a
car with bodies.

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And it is the car that we talked
about from the original it

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story, the gangsters that the
townspeople shot up.

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It is that car, but I, I was
feeling some kind of way.

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And then they get up in the
airplane and the general had

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actually given Halloran a box,
you know, and it was I, I didn't

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know what was in.
I was like, OK, there's

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something having to do with
whatever he, whatever happened

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when he was a kid, because at
that point I figured out that he

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was the kid without them saying
that he was the kid at at that

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point, 'cause we don't find that
out for sure until later on.

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But when they get up in the air
and Halloran has the box, you

438
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already see he's reacting to it.
Like his hands are shaking and

439
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:06,960
he hasn't even opened the box
yet.

440
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:12,280
Leroy and Riley.
This, his name is Riley, isn't

441
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it?
No.

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Polly.
Polly.

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Polly.
Polly.

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So Leroy and Polly, they,
they're talking to each other,

445
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trying to figure out what's
going on.

446
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:25,280
They were like, this is weird.
Like we don't have a heading.

447
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:26,960
We're supposed to treat him like
a compass.

448
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:30,040
This is weird.
And so they keep looking back at

449
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Halloran, and they're looking at
his behavior.

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00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:36,680
So when Halloran finally opens
up the box and sees the

451
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:40,760
slingshot, he touches the
slingshot and he goes into like

452
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,440
this trance state.
At least that's the way it looks

453
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:49,560
to Leroy and to Polly.
But he is actually I, I don't

454
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:53,120
know if he's having a vision, if
he's entering the mind up.

455
00:25:53,120 --> 00:25:56,680
Like it's one of those things
where it's like, OK, obviously

456
00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:00,040
something is happening.
And then he, as Michelle said

457
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,640
earlier, he goes into
Pennywise's house.

458
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:07,400
He enters the sewers.
He sees the old circus car with

459
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:14,480
Pennywise's name on it, and then
the door to it opens and you

460
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,520
hear this voice saying who are
you?

461
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,360
Why?
OK, so, so before we continue, I

462
00:26:20,360 --> 00:26:26,440
have a few things to say. 1, I
kind of I kind of figured it was

463
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:31,680
the slingshot in the box. 2 the
slingshot actually kind of looks

464
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:36,920
like a divining rod.
So that was give you a clue that

465
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,480
he kind of was going to give
them a the direction.

466
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:44,920
And and three, I'm kind of mad
at Leroy because Leroy kind of

467
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:48,000
knows he's sort of special.
They think he's special.

468
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:52,720
And if they tell you just go
where he tells you to go, you

469
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:54,760
don't have any fear.
So what are you concerned about?

470
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,080
But I don't think he, I don't
think he really knew it at this

471
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,160
point.
Yeah, I think he may have had

472
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,560
some suspicions.
He has some suspicions.

473
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:06,600
But he yeah, they hadn't really
had much interaction up to.

474
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,880
Him right, But he's smart enough
to know if if this is what you

475
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:15,200
already suspect and they tell
you just go wherever he tells

476
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,280
you go he's like your compass
then you should be able to put

477
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,760
three and two together and get 5
you know what I'm.

478
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:26,440
Saying he definitely knew that
whatever it was was was

479
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:29,360
something like you said that he
didn't, He didn't have the fear

480
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,480
for it to affect him.
So whatever it was going to be

481
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:36,080
dangerous enough for him to.
But he want to be on a mission

482
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,000
because he's AG man, he wants to
go.

483
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,520
And.
You know, he wants to be a part

484
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:41,640
of this.
This is his career.

485
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,720
This is his livelihood.
Yeah, I.

486
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,440
Don't think even if he was
scared he would still go.

487
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,760
He was following no orders.
Not no, because then he was

488
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:51,680
like, OK, well we going back
because he's a.

489
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:55,880
Responsible because but then you
know what they should have told

490
00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:00,280
him that he does that Dick does
that when he in the trance

491
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,400
because he.
No, they said.

492
00:28:04,120 --> 00:28:12,120
The following.
But when you're in the is he

493
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,200
sick?
Yeah, yeah, like he, is he sick

494
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,680
or it?
Like is he having a seizure?

495
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,560
I don't know.
OK, And the final thing I'm

496
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,560
going to say is this must not
really know a lot of this stuff

497
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:27,560
because it it looks like he
should have been able to tell

498
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:32,240
where he was, you know, 'cause
it looks like the cistern, it

499
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,800
looks like the sewers.
But I don't think he later, I

500
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,920
don't think he actually says it
was a sewers.

501
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:41,720
He doesn't actually report where
he is because he basically knows

502
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,720
where The thing is now.
Yeah, but you don't know where.

503
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,480
But that is true.
I thought the same thing, like

504
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,800
why don't you tell them that he
was in the sewers?

505
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:54,400
But I think with everything that
was going on, he wasn't paying,

506
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:58,680
he wasn't paying attention.
Once he got found out and can

507
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:02,840
feel the energy from Pennywise,
he was done.

508
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,760
He didn't probably remember he
was stepping in water.

509
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:07,240
And I'm not going to lie, he
just.

510
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,200
Know the fear, he knows the what
he felt.

511
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,600
Until and you know.
They kind of forget sometimes

512
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:19,760
some of the details.
Yeah, until, until it, I didn't

513
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:23,200
even know what his cistern was.
I had never heard that word

514
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,080
before.
But in Destiny there's a

515
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,880
section, there's a map where
there's a cistern and it's

516
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:31,840
actually like this, but it's
outside.

517
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,800
But I never put it too into the.
I would have never figured

518
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:38,280
that's what they called it.
Yeah, so.

519
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:42,160
So I can see how he may not have
been really knowing where he

520
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,640
was, but it does kind of like a
sewer though.

521
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:52,000
But also too, if he's thinking
like, I don't know, because once

522
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:57,680
he gets down there and like like
you said, it speaks to him, we

523
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:01,400
already see he's panicking.
Then he starts seeing the

524
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,480
visions that we've seen in in
the previous two movies, with

525
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:08,320
all of the things kind of going
towards the top and you see the

526
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:12,600
bodies floating.
And then all of a sudden he

527
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:16,400
hears his grandmother's voice.
And she was like, Vicky, he's

528
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:20,800
coming for you, get out of here.
And he tries to leave.

529
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:27,640
I think at that point he
probably knew where he was, but

530
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,880
I think the fear may have
overtaken him because at this

531
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,960
point on the plane, he's trying
to walk off the plane.

532
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,640
He is literally opening up the
back of the plane.

533
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,320
He's trying to step off.
Pennywise, I think at that

534
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:43,560
moment scared him so much that
he was like, I don't want to

535
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:45,480
deal with this, I'm about to
jump off this plane.

536
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,280
But he wasn't aware that he was
doing that.

537
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:49,880
I think Pennywise was making him
do that.

538
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,960
I think, I think part of that.
I think that he was in the

539
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,080
trance and he was trying to get
out the sewer.

540
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,760
He wasn't paying attention.
See, that's why you don't have

541
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:04,040
people go through the trance in
a moving vehicle because

542
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,160
sometimes they get they get up
and start walking and moving

543
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,040
around.
That's exactly what he did.

544
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,520
But he was about to walk right
on off that plane.

545
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,720
And again, that goes back to the
general, 'cause he's in told

546
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:21,080
your pilots what right that can
happen 'cause he was in there

547
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,720
his his his grandma saying go
and he went to go.

548
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:26,560
He's trying to do this.
And as he doing that, he

549
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:28,280
pressing the button.
But then.

550
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:32,160
Also, the other thing about it
too, is what he tells the

551
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,480
general later on when he's in
the hospital.

552
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,560
He told the general, he said he
saw.

553
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:41,680
He knows where.
He knows that, you know, we're

554
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,160
here.
He wasn't supposed to see us.

555
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,240
I think that's the thing that
really, really scared him,

556
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:51,760
because as far as Dick is, as
far as he knows, he's supposed

557
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,760
to just go in, observe and be
able to give them the

558
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,520
information.
But Penny Wise knows that

559
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,920
they're looking for him now.
And I'll tell him what's about

560
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:06,760
to happen.
And I feel like Penny Wise was

561
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,440
was in his head and not the
other way around.

562
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,760
Yeah, I I think once, once he
had that.

563
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:14,800
Connection, when he was
starting, when he started

564
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,280
looking penny wise was like, let
me see what this is.

565
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:19,480
Yeah.
And was was in his head.

566
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,080
Yeah, I think they both was both
together.

567
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,720
But you think you sneaking in
something and you woke him up

568
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:32,400
too, 'cause he was like, yeah,
somebody in my house, someone in

569
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:37,080
my house, There's a stranger in
my house.

570
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,400
Yeah.
'Cause he asked them who?

571
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,440
Who?
Are you like how you could do

572
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,280
this?
'Cause it was a different level

573
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,240
of, of interaction.
It wasn't a physical human

574
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:52,080
interaction.
So Pennywise, it's like, oh God,

575
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:53,640
you got a little psychic
something too.

576
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,680
Yeah, and then he start peering
in his brain like they.

577
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:58,840
Have a little.
Fun with you?

578
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:03,520
You looking for me?
Yeah, OK, but I found.

579
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:10,280
You and and it's cool that that
you know his grandmother, this

580
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:14,160
grandmother.
In The Shining, he talks about

581
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,440
how his grandmother and him used
to have conversations without

582
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:21,840
opening their mouths.
And in The Shining spoiler,

583
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:27,160
Danny's Invisible Danny's
imaginary friend is actually

584
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,920
himself from the future.
Yeah, from doctor sleep, right?

585
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,280
Like from.
Right.

586
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:37,160
And so I'm thinking that this is
his grandmother actually from

587
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,080
the past talking to him, trying
to guide him and help him.

588
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,400
OK.
OK, 'cause I was thinking like,

589
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:47,680
you know how I know this is a
weird correlation, but in in

590
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:51,040
Inception, when they had totems
that brought them back to the

591
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:54,560
real life, like I feel like his
grandma, the totem that was in

592
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:59,840
his mind whenever he went too
far to bring him back in, that's

593
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:02,880
what I was thinking.
OK, yeah.

594
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,320
But it makes sense that if she's
that her, her whisper, her echo

595
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,719
is still there.
She's keeping him, you know?

596
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:12,000
Together.
Safe.

597
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:17,280
I don't need nail peace and none
of this Where you see me, I see

598
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:18,600
you.
No, I don't see you.

599
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:20,080
You don't see me.
We don't see each other.

600
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,320
Right, 'cause that you can't get
that actual head.

601
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,360
Nope.
You can't no like that.

602
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,120
You get in the dark, the eyes
just.

603
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,760
Yeah, Blowing.
OK, I'm good.

604
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:30,880
You throw.
The dead lights.

605
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,719
And now you never know when he's
like, if he had that connection

606
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:41,239
with you now, that means that
unless you die, that connection

607
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:44,239
is not going to be severed.
So not anytime Pennywise want to

608
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,320
see what's going on, he'd be
like, hey, what's up?

609
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,320
No.
Luckily for him, he has no

610
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:53,239
interest in adults.
But you can still.

611
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:58,320
Use him and come to him.
After you know and it too he did

612
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:02,840
use an adult and him slap up in
public.

613
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,040
And he also got into.
They got into.

614
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,400
Cause the couple and the guy
that got beat up, they were

615
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:15,160
getting beat up and they threw
him over into the river and all

616
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:20,000
that fear.
Pennywise was like, oh, until I

617
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:21,600
get to some children.
This is a.

618
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:23,920
This is a this.
Is a good appetizer.

619
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,320
Right.
So I mean he ate the whole side

620
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:31,600
of his body while his husband
watched on the side and then

621
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:37,080
threw red balloons everywhere.
Yeah, damn red balloons, Yeah.

622
00:35:38,240 --> 00:35:45,560
But yeah, I like, like I said,
this dude was about to walk off

623
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,600
the plane or about to fly out
the plane 'cause they were still

624
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:54,560
in the air, Holly sitting up
front, panicking right away,

625
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,160
just.
Go back there like faster.

626
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:58,560
Like that's the part I didn't
understand.

627
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,480
Y'all saw this dude walking
around in a trance.

628
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,360
Y'all should've went back there
the way before.

629
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,400
Yeah.
But there's a moment it has to.

630
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,400
Register time elapsed.
Well, it also has to register

631
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,440
with you.
There's a moment where you're

632
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,960
looking like, is this really
happening?

633
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,920
Yeah, it takes a minute for for
it to.

634
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,240
Register drugs?
Like what?

635
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,240
Cause before he was shaking in
the scene and next he walking

636
00:36:22,240 --> 00:36:24,520
out of the plane.
I'm a little confused.

637
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:28,920
Yeah, but Leroy gets them and he
kind of shakes them out of it

638
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:32,320
and hollering and sitting there
looking like what the hell just

639
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,360
happened?
Oh.

640
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:39,840
That's not good, you know, And
then like, yeah, then the

641
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:44,000
general goes to visit him in the
hospital and he was like, oh,

642
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,680
you did good.
He was like, dude, no, I didn't.

643
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:48,640
He know.
He knows we're on to him.

644
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:54,000
He knows like this wasn't how
this was supposed to be.

645
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:59,560
Because I don't, I mean, and I
don't know what's gonna happen

646
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:01,480
with this character.
I haven't seen the 4th episode

647
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:07,400
yet, but you gotta think that he
feels like a target 'cause when

648
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,920
the general says so, you saw
him, he was like more like he

649
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,000
saw me.
Like Dick was not in control of

650
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:18,960
that situation at all.
That's one of them.

651
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,240
Stand up on your hair, stand on
your back of your neck.

652
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,560
So he saw me.
That made my hair stand up,

653
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,040
right.
But.

654
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,360
The funny part about it is I
like it when the general is

655
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,080
getting ready to leave.
And he was like, if there's

656
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:34,920
anything I can do for you, let
me know.

657
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,320
And he's like, oh, by the way,
my friends and I, we've had a

658
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,600
shitty tank, a shitty tent that
water keeps leaking.

659
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:43,440
We want somewhere to go hang
out.

660
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:47,080
He was like, OK, yeah, I see
what I can do.

661
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:53,640
I was like, OK, you know, like,
if I'm going to be risking my

662
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:57,680
life to find this supernatural
entity for you, the least you

663
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:01,440
can do is give me a place to
hang out with my boys where the

664
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:06,520
rain will be falling in on us.
I mean, I think you could ask

665
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:08,320
for more, but.
Right.

666
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,600
I was.
I think it's fair.

667
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:15,200
I almost died so I should get a
like you know about it.

668
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:17,800
So you didn't say anything,
right?

669
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:19,960
You say anything and I always
have it ready.

670
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:23,400
See, I was ready for the day.
I make a good connection.

671
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,320
Yeah.
And he tells the general he was

672
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:29,200
like, look, I have a feeling
this is something we shouldn't

673
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,600
be doing.
We need to just let this thing

674
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,560
be.
The general just looks at him

675
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,800
and turns around and walks off.
I was like, dude.

676
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:42,800
I just my question is, I just
wonder, So he has this thing, he

677
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,120
knows this this scary thing from
when he was a kid.

678
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:48,360
He wants to weaponize it.
How are you going to put it in

679
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,040
the jar?
Like how you going to weaponize

680
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:51,760
it Sir?
I think he.

681
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:55,360
Doesn't really actually remember
exactly what it was.

682
00:38:55,720 --> 00:39:02,320
He didn't remember, so it starts
when you get closer to there.

683
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,640
It did so because he literally
just remembered her name when he

684
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:07,560
walked into the good thing,
right?

685
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:11,880
Because he.
Got the cease and desist letter.

686
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,080
Her name was.
On it and then it but then it

687
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:17,760
like things popped in his head
there and that's just take you

688
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:21,920
back to all the other even TV
series and movies like people

689
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:28,320
have a feeling about dairy like.
I don't remember, but something

690
00:39:28,720 --> 00:39:32,600
is there because we even seen
that in the flashback when when

691
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:36,360
they were kids, because his dad
was also military.

692
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:40,280
And you know, they're they're
sitting by the the stream or

693
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:41,560
whatever.
He's looking sad.

694
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:42,800
And she says, why do you look
sad?

695
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:44,680
He said, my dad got his
deployment orders.

696
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,800
We leave in the morning.
And you know, they have been

697
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,000
friends all summer.
He was like, promise me you

698
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,080
won't forget me.
And she said, Francis, you don't

699
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:57,320
know this yet, but Derry has a
way of making you forget.

700
00:39:57,720 --> 00:40:00,520
So she even knew that at that
age, she was like, it's not

701
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,360
going to be about me forgetting
you.

702
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,120
When you leave, you're going to
forget me.

703
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:09,480
And then when we see him walking
to the antique shop and he says

704
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,360
to her, what did he say?
You got anything for Nickel?

705
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:14,520
She turned around.
She was like, oh, Francis.

706
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:17,240
And he was like, you know, it's
the strangest thing.

707
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:21,720
He was like, I don't remember
any of it, any of it, until I

708
00:40:21,720 --> 00:40:23,600
walked in here.
And she was like, what do you

709
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:26,560
remember now?
He was like, I remember bits and

710
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:28,600
pieces.
I remember that we were friends.

711
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:32,240
I remember, you know, I guess
the scary part, I don't think he

712
00:40:32,240 --> 00:40:34,480
really said it.
I think he inferred to it.

713
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,320
And she said, I didn't think you
would remember my name.

714
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,760
He said I didn't.
That's why I got this.

715
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:43,200
And it was a cease and desist
letter because the whole

716
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:47,200
Indigenous community, they're,
they're having meetings because

717
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:50,480
they're like, the military is
digging up our stuff, Like we

718
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,560
need to stop them.
They think it's just about them

719
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:57,560
appropriating the land.
They don't realize that he's

720
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:03,320
actually looking for something.
But she is kind of like y'all

721
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:07,320
might need to leave this alone.
So her suggestion is do a cease

722
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,600
and desist letter, start off
that way, and then if we got to

723
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,520
go do other things, then maybe
we do other things.

724
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:15,800
Right, yeah, I'm thinking.
I'm thinking.

725
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,560
He doesn't.
He remembers the feeling.

726
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:23,280
He remembers if something, but I
think he's decided that it's

727
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,360
like a divisive and they're
trying to find or something like

728
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,880
that.
I don't think he remembers that

729
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:35,280
is an actual monster.
I mean, so I, I think that part

730
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:39,520
of his memory is being
suppressed, but I think the more

731
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:41,520
he investigates, the more he'll
remember.

732
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,800
I wonder, did he remember that
the slingshot was in the cigar

733
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,720
box that he gave Halloran, or
did he just know it was

734
00:41:48,720 --> 00:41:53,600
something that was connected to
should Penny Wise and maybe he

735
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,760
was too scared to open it?
I think he kind of remembered

736
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:58,440
that the slingshot was
important.

737
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,560
OK.
But he may not be able to say

738
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,040
why he knew that something that
could help.

739
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,440
Because I was like.
There was something that scared

740
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:11,560
the mess out of him.
He does remember that because.

741
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:16,400
He wants to use it as a weapon.
Right, because it's a weapon and

742
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,360
we need someone who has No Fear
because he remember how afraid

743
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,040
he was.
During that time.

744
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:25,160
But we know even from it and
even in the book, it's not that

745
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:28,040
the memories aren't there.
The memories are there.

746
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:31,840
They're they're just suppressed.
They're just suppressed, so some

747
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:33,960
things are going to leak
through, like feelings.

748
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,120
Are going to leak through.
Yeah, yeah.

749
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:42,120
So he may know it is important,
he may not remember why or how,

750
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:46,320
but he knows that whatever this
is, they can use it to help us

751
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,200
find what we're leaking for.
Right.

752
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:53,280
And he also knows enough to know
he needs to lie to her because

753
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,040
she's asking.
She was like, what are you doing

754
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,440
out there on our land?
He said, oh, we're doing soil

755
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,720
surveys.
And she was like, y'all digging

756
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,040
up landmark graves.
I'm going to need y'all to leave

757
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:06,840
that alone.
Because I think he knows she

758
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:08,600
knows more than what she's
telling.

759
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:13,480
Well, now that he knows you know
who she is, he definitely knows.

760
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,600
She knows more because she
warned him about going in the

761
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:18,680
forest, so she knew something
was in there.

762
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:23,600
And I think the more he starts
remembering, yeah, I think at

763
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:28,040
that point he'll probably be
like, you need to tell me what,

764
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:29,480
what?
What is this thing?

765
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,200
And I think at some point, like
the Losers Club, all his

766
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,480
memories are going to come back
and he's going to remember

767
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,400
everything at some point.
Yeah, probably longer.

768
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:40,640
They had forgotten.
Yeah, because a lot of them

769
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:43,640
have, they have forgotten a lot
of what happened.

770
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,320
And then when they got together,
the Office, they remembered

771
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:48,760
everything.
And I think that's what's going

772
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,360
to happen.
And the only person who in the

773
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:55,840
movie I know that was in the
book, Ben remembered the

774
00:43:55,840 --> 00:44:03,280
feelings because you know what?
He still had the the signature

775
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,480
from Beverly, from the yearbook
in his wallet.

776
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:09,640
So he.
Remember her, Right.

777
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:13,240
So you remember her and how he
felt, but not all the other.

778
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,680
Yeah, That's just like what
Francis told Rose.

779
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:18,400
And this one, she said, what do
you remember?

780
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:21,080
He said, I remember my.
He said, I remember my father's

781
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:23,920
base.
I remember something else he

782
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:25,840
said.
But most of all, I remember you.

783
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:33,680
So, yeah, so I do, I want the, I
thought about this and I was so

784
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:35,920
'cause we're talking about like
how dairy effects people.

785
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,920
Do you think that Hamlin's wife
is immune to it?

786
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:45,520
And that's why it that's why
she's so like gung ho and like

787
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:48,760
hard hitting with everything
that she's kind of immune to it.

788
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:51,760
Well, she's not from there.
I think it probably affects the

789
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:55,320
people who are from dairy more
than it affects outsiders.

790
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:59,520
And it may take some time to.
Yeah, yeah, yeah 'cause she's

791
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:01,480
just.
She's just there, right?

792
00:45:02,720 --> 00:45:06,840
She just got there.
But Francis was was there what,

793
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:08,960
a summer, maybe a little bit
longer.

794
00:45:09,240 --> 00:45:12,120
We only see the summer that he
spent with Rose, but we don't

795
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:16,480
know how long he was there
before Rose became friends.

796
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,160
So.
And also he was a kid and we

797
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:22,000
know that he likes children.
Yeah, a lot of.

798
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:27,920
Work with adults.
Yeah, but Speaking of Hanley's

799
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:35,760
wife, later on in the episode,
and this is so weird 'cause they

800
00:45:36,240 --> 00:45:39,280
Calorin is apparently invited to
dinner and I was like.

801
00:45:40,240 --> 00:45:45,160
That seems aw after that they
shared this whole weird flight

802
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:47,280
and.
You saved his life.

803
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:54,160
Then it's still, I don't know,
it still felt very awkward I

804
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,720
feel like.
It was like they both black,

805
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:58,960
they both in the military doing
this secret thing that they

806
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:02,080
can't really talk about.
And I, I feel like it was like

807
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:04,680
he was probably curious about
him.

808
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:07,600
I mean.
So who invited who?

809
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:11,600
So who invited who did Leroy
invite?

810
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:13,720
Dick.
I would assume so since it was

811
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,840
at his house.
Because if Leroy invited, well,

812
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,440
I was wondering if Leroy did or
if she did.

813
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,680
But I'm assuming Leroy did
because I think he was doing it

814
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,480
as like intelligence gathering.
That's how I feel.

815
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:28,560
Too, because he wanted to know
what is happening.

816
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:30,600
What is still?
Weird.

817
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:33,280
It was still weird to see them
like.

818
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,120
Probably because Hanley was
suspicious.

819
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:39,080
And then he.
Then Dick made it even worse

820
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:43,280
because Dick then bounced
himself, you know, I mean, he

821
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:44,360
already.
Knew he was.

822
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:46,360
He was a little wonky woo woo in
the head.

823
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:48,960
But then he asked himself,
talking about his kid and he

824
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:52,360
like, I ain't told you about my
kid, right, You know, So he, I

825
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:54,280
think he yeah, he has a.
Little like, what's up with

826
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:56,880
this, brother?
Yeah, yeah.

827
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,640
But I mean, the whole exchange
was awkward because like you

828
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:03,080
said, Leroy was obviously
sitting there doing some

829
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:04,920
reconnaissance.
He was like, OK, I I need to

830
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:06,680
figure this out.
I need to figure out what was

831
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:12,080
going on.
And Halloran was he was a little

832
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:15,000
too chipper, like he was putting
on too much for the wife.

833
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:19,960
And I was just like, dude, you
are coming across so unnatural

834
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,800
right now.
Like, but I guess she wasn't

835
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,800
paying attention to it or she
was just like, OK, y'all got

836
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:28,640
something weird going on and
must be, you know, military

837
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:29,600
related.
Whatever.

838
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:32,760
I I'm I'm a go in here and I'm a
do this.

839
00:47:33,720 --> 00:47:39,600
But their conversation when they
get outside and Leroy is looking

840
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,000
at him, he was like, yo, I've
never told you about my kid.

841
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:43,760
Oh, I must have heard it on the
bass.

842
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:48,440
He said, no, He said right
before you said that I felt

843
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:50,480
something a little weird in the
back of my brain.

844
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:53,200
I was like, that.
That has to be that brain damage

845
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:57,160
because who else is going to pay
attention to something like that

846
00:47:57,720 --> 00:48:00,360
happening right before?
He was like, yeah, I felt

847
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:04,480
something weird.
And I, I kind of knew this is

848
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:06,600
where this was going to go, he
said.

849
00:48:06,720 --> 00:48:10,160
I felt that one one other time
when I got attacked, you were

850
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:13,280
there, weren't you?
Right, so that could so like you

851
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:17,080
will remember that because
you'll be like OK, something

852
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:21,080
going on in the back of my spine
one other time when I got and

853
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:24,840
then I felt it again around.
Hey, you must have been there

854
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:27,880
too.
You know how to get into the

855
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:29,160
brain.
Dick wasn't.

856
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:31,240
So Dick was was digging in there
trying to read.

857
00:48:31,240 --> 00:48:34,520
His mind, he said.
Usually when someone is being

858
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:37,320
attacked or about to die, they
have all these thoughts going

859
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:40,520
through your head, he said.
I checked you out, you have

860
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:42,880
nothing.
He said you you were

861
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:48,320
calculating.
What color boots I had on, what

862
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:51,520
my shirt color, how many buttons
I had buttoned up I mean.

863
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:55,560
And it makes sense now that he
knew the exact weapon, because

864
00:48:55,720 --> 00:49:00,400
even the general was like, you
got a good eye for detail 'cause

865
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:05,800
he was sitting there calculating
and Ham was like, is this gonna

866
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:07,600
be a problem?
No, dude, I've been in your

867
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:09,720
brain.
We ain't gonna have no problem.

868
00:49:09,720 --> 00:49:12,760
We ain't got nothing.
He was like, I'm not, this is

869
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:16,320
not FAFO, but if I'm in the
trenches, you are the person I

870
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:18,680
want to have with me.
I know, that's right.

871
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:21,800
I was like, they came to a real
clear understanding right there

872
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:25,720
on their porch.
Like Hamlin was like, look,

873
00:49:26,240 --> 00:49:27,960
don't be digging in my head no
more.

874
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:31,640
And they should.
Have just at that point, they

875
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:33,120
should have just been honest
with each other.

876
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:36,480
I don't know why they went
through that whole machismo bull

877
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:37,880
crap.
They should have just been,

878
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:40,720
look, look, brother, we got to
have each other's back.

879
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,560
Does it steal the 19?
What year is this?

880
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:49,880
1962 yeah, so they they still
got to put on them airs, but at

881
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:54,400
at least Halloran is like.
Halloran is enlisted and he's an

882
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:56,640
officer, and they don't usually
hang out together.

883
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:58,560
Yeah.
So.

884
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:02,880
Yeah, but at least Halloran was
like, yeah, I've peeked inside

885
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:05,040
your brand, I know you ain't
nothing to fuck with.

886
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:08,760
We good, we cool.
Think about how scary that is

887
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:13,400
though, to go in there and see
that this man ain't got No Fear.

888
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,360
None.
Like he didn't think about his

889
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:19,120
family, he didn't think about
none of that.

890
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:24,040
He like OK if I if I hit right
here on this kneecap if I do

891
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:28,360
right.
He's like this guy's about 511.

892
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:32,280
Right.
Now this guy, he's left-handed.

893
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:34,000
This one's right-handed.
He got.

894
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:37,120
About 3.
He got about 3% body fat.

895
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:42,360
That's that is scary didn't.
And they swing in the steel pipe

896
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:44,280
into your head, and that's what
you're thinking about.

897
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:45,960
Right.
Because I have that.

898
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:47,640
I have that scene on in the
background.

899
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:51,480
Halen is looking at Halorin,
just real matter of fact.

900
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:57,360
And Halorin looks scared.
Yeah, Like, yeah, what you about

901
00:50:57,360 --> 00:50:59,720
to ask me?
I don't, I don't think he was

902
00:50:59,720 --> 00:51:04,640
expecting Halen to come straight
out, you know, and be like, yo,

903
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:06,360
you was you was messing with my
brain.

904
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:09,800
He was like, what is that?
And then he starts talking about

905
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:13,520
he was like, you know, my, my
grandmother said is seeing

906
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:15,920
something before seeing
something.

907
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:17,920
He was like, I know I sound
crazy.

908
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:20,080
He's a dude.
I'm from the I'm from South

909
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:23,520
southern Louisiana.
We we know about them kind of

910
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:25,640
people there.
He was like, I've just never met

911
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:29,840
one but.
And then and then he wasn't mad

912
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:33,520
that Dick was there, right?
Why he's there?

913
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,320
Yeah.
He he, he took a whole

914
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:38,680
analytical approach to that
whole situation.

915
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:43,600
Yeah.
Literally not my son.

916
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:49,040
You going to be a problem.
Ain't nothing to mess with.

917
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:53,440
Mess with he can fight.
Right.

918
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:58,560
You fight, you fly a plane.
Like I, I don't know, I kind of

919
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:01,440
feel like, you know, we were, we
were trying to wonder at the

920
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:03,760
beginning.
I was like, I just don't know

921
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:05,920
what his story has to do with
any of this.

922
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:09,520
OK, so now I see.
Because right now he is probably

923
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:14,920
the only thing that can get to
and and not be affected by

924
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:18,320
Pennywise because of the No
Fear.

925
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:23,440
Obviously things didn't work out
quite right because.

926
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:27,640
No, yeah, That's, that's, that's
true.

927
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:29,520
We know.
Yeah.

928
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:31,440
We know they can make it out
alive.

929
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:34,480
You know, because he makes it
all the way to Doctor C And

930
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:37,040
don't ever talk about because
she probably don't remember.

931
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:40,760
Oh, I would say I was like, no,
he did.

932
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:43,840
I forgot book and show it.
Book and movie are different,

933
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:46,440
'cause I was like, no, he took
an axe to the chest in the

934
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:48,600
movie.
But yeah, you're right, you're

935
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:49,200
right.
That's so.

936
00:52:49,240 --> 00:52:50,800
Ridiculous that they changed
that.

937
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:55,880
Yeah, yeah.
But somebody who does not

938
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:59,760
display that No Fear is
definitely not his son.

939
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:05,840
Work baby?
Is that PO baby adorable?

940
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:12,280
Though, but they dumb as bricks.
Going to say they're dumb as

941
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:14,120
bricks.
They're kids, they're children,

942
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:15,600
they're young.
Oh my gosh.

943
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:19,480
And it's.
Like rich, Rich is rich was just

944
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:21,960
trying to be a cool women.
Yeah, he was.

945
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:25,680
That's all he was trying to.
Do he was.

946
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:30,640
He's like, no, yeah, this is.
What we do, Yeah, my cousin

947
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:32,120
said.
I thought you said your.

948
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:33,600
Uncle.
Yeah, him too.

949
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:37,160
I was like, oh Lord.
I'm just trying to get y'all to

950
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:38,480
sit next to each other.
Come on now.

951
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,240
Right.
And not only that, he was like,

952
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:45,760
it's, it's hard to make friends.
When he said that, I felt so bad

953
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:48,480
for him because I can I could
understand it.

954
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:53,640
But you know, let's go to the
kids because 1 you have Lily

955
00:53:53,640 --> 00:54:00,200
coming out of Juniper Hill and
you have Ronnie at school still

956
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:02,000
kind of, you know, being the
pariah.

957
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:05,880
And some of the kids have
actually with the, with the,

958
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:09,840
they call her that hatchet Hank.
They're like hatchet Hank is

959
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:12,120
gonna, is gonna fry or something
like that.

960
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:16,200
And they, they put it on her
locker and red lipstick.

961
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:19,280
So she she wipes it off.
She goes to the bathroom to wash

962
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:23,240
her hands and Lily comes in, you
know, to try to help her.

963
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:26,200
And Ronnie is like, I don't need
your help.

964
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:28,400
I don't need you talking to me.
You the reason why my dad is

965
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:32,640
locked up.
And Lily is like, so guess what?

966
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:35,080
I told them what happened.
They put me back.

967
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:38,120
They put me back in Juniper Hill
just like I told you they would.

968
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:42,360
She was like, but if I got to
go, she's you know, and she

969
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:44,800
tells her she was like, yeah, it
happened to me too.

970
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:48,680
She was like, I saw the pickle
jar, you know, I saw my dad and

971
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:50,880
they're going to think I'm
crazy, she said.

972
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:54,440
But if that's what I have to do
in order to get your dad out, I

973
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:56,880
can do that, she said.
Because they've already put me

974
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:58,920
back in Juniper Hill.
So anything that I tell them,

975
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:01,680
they're going to think I'm just
crazy anyway, right?

976
00:55:03,720 --> 00:55:08,320
So she has this plan.
She's like, they're not going to

977
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:10,040
believe us unless we show them
proof.

978
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:12,600
And Ronnie was like, well, what
we supposed to do?

979
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:15,120
How we supposed to get a picture
of a demon baby or whatever the

980
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:17,520
thing this thing is?
And she has a camera.

981
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:19,160
She's like, we can take a
picture of it.

982
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:21,920
And at first I was looking at
this.

983
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:24,480
I was like, that is the dumbest
idea ever.

984
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:27,080
Like, like something like that
is really going to show up on

985
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:30,320
film, but you never know.
So I was like, OK, I'm.

986
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:32,440
They're kids.
I mean, you can take a picture

987
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:35,720
of me take a picture of.
It right and I mean, you never

988
00:55:35,720 --> 00:55:39,920
know because sometimes it might
be the stupidest things that

989
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:43,920
actually gets results, you know,
like battery asset.

990
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:49,240
He believed it, so it worked.
Well, the thing that I thought

991
00:55:49,240 --> 00:55:52,400
about was the fact that she had
the little cube flash and I was

992
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:55,520
like, oh, the fact that I even
knew what that was, I showed,

993
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:59,680
I'm showing my age.
But the fact that she had the

994
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:04,480
flash on the camera, I was like,
OK, that might work because

995
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:09,840
sometimes you see it in other
stories or whatever, those

996
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:12,400
bright lights can cast the
globe.

997
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:14,920
So I was like, OK, maybe that'll
work.

998
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:21,000
So I don't even remember y'all.
Y'all got to refresh my memory

999
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:22,640
because I've only seen this
episode once.

1000
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:25,280
How in the world did did it come
from?

1001
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:27,920
Oh, they were looking for
someone to develop the film

1002
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:31,080
because they were like, we got
to once we take the pictures, we

1003
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:33,600
got to develop the film.
We can't just take it to the to

1004
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:37,120
the drugstore because what are
they going to do if the

1005
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:39,680
drugstore see stuff like this?
They're going to be like, y'all

1006
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:44,200
need to arrest them.
Those kids are disturbed, so

1007
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:47,480
they go to Will because they
know Will is smart, or at least

1008
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:49,400
Ronnie does.
She was like, yeah, so when you

1009
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:51,680
were talking about the stink
bomb, you was talking about all

1010
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:53,400
the chemicals that make the
stink bomb.

1011
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:56,520
So I figured you would know what
chemicals we need to develop

1012
00:56:56,520 --> 00:57:00,280
film.
And then this is where the duo

1013
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:04,720
becomes a quartet because Rich
and Will they take them to the

1014
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:09,720
the little Kitty hideout, which,
you know, I was like, I don't

1015
00:57:09,720 --> 00:57:13,760
know if going to that place is a
good idea because it seems like

1016
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:18,400
everybody who goes to the tower
doesn't make it past a certain,

1017
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:21,400
you know, I I don't know,
everybody seems to be dead, or

1018
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:28,200
at least the boys do So.
But Rich starts telling them

1019
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:31,720
about his uncle, who is a
Santeria priest.

1020
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:35,480
He was like, yeah, you know, the
thing that you're describing,

1021
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:38,080
it's just, you know, it's a it's
an evil spirit.

1022
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:40,880
Yeah, we can get rid of.
And my my uncle used to do that

1023
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:43,320
kind of thing.
He would cast spells, whatever,

1024
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:48,880
whatever.
Anyway, so they decide, oh, So

1025
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:50,440
what do we need to do these
spells?

1026
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:56,400
I was like, you know what?
Because already.

1027
00:57:56,720 --> 00:58:02,600
Nope.
So this is the this is the main

1028
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:05,560
problem I had with that and this
is the main problem I have with

1029
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:08,280
children who do this and any
other whatever.

1030
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:15,640
If this had been the grown up
telling you, OK, this is what I

1031
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:21,960
do to expel evil spirits, this
is what you need to follow me.

1032
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:29,000
I could see them trying that.
You are taking the word of a guy

1033
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:33,840
you just met 30 minutes ago and
you're going to go hang out in

1034
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:39,560
the graveyard and summon an evil
spirit who may be a demon baby

1035
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:42,920
that tore your friends apart
while you watched.

1036
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:45,680
Well, he sounded so convincing.
He sounded so.

1037
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:47,960
Convincing.
I know exactly what it is.

1038
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:50,040
You know what else was
convincing?

1039
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:53,760
That goddamn demon baby.
But he wasn't.

1040
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:57,640
There that man, some black folks
mad when they when he started

1041
00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:00,160
busting out with it was an
Orisha, people was getting mad

1042
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:01,440
because they was like, that'll
be you.

1043
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:07,520
I'm sorry about the Orisha, but.
Well, he said the Spanish

1044
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:10,080
version of it like, because it's
the same, it's the same thing,

1045
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:11,920
but it's.
It's the same thing, but it's.

1046
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:17,120
The fact that you know, well,
like nobody said nothing about

1047
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:22,760
nothing virus, but he in his
mind, him as his child watching

1048
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:25,920
his family do this practice,
This is what it sounded like to

1049
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:28,200
him.
It wasn't them saying this is

1050
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:30,480
what Pennywise is.
This is the definition of what

1051
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:33,160
Pennywise is.
This is a little kid, just like

1052
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:35,880
how you know, growing up
Christian, everything's a demon.

1053
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:39,400
It's a demon, you know?
It's a this, it's a that.

1054
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:41,640
You know.
And so, yeah.

1055
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:43,960
When I saw it and when I heard
it, I was like.

1056
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:46,280
Maria.
Say that.

1057
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:48,880
But he was, you know, like you
said.

1058
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:53,000
Yeah, yeah.
We we saw someone talking about

1059
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:57,040
the video, how it was that what
he was talking about was a

1060
00:59:57,040 --> 00:59:59,200
Risha, but it was like a
combination of a lot of

1061
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:04,320
different religion, tradition,
religious traditions in the same

1062
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:08,080
area, in the same place.
So, but you know.

1063
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:11,920
And the fact that people saw
that and automatically went to

1064
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:16,520
cultural appropriation, my guys,
is, is not that serious.

1065
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:19,640
Yeah, I I understand we all are
coming from, but you don't have

1066
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:21,680
to be that sensitive.
It wasn't like they.

1067
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:24,640
Went into.
A book and they read a history

1068
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:29,040
and it said the history of this
creature is this is literally a

1069
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:31,600
child just trying to make
friends.

1070
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:36,080
Who just came up with what he
heard He was.

1071
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:39,240
Trying to give them an idea.
And they were like, we don't

1072
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:43,200
know what he wasn't far with.
Like the scariness of it, you

1073
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:45,600
know it's.
But the people in the show do

1074
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:50,080
they research because if you do
the research, yeah, it it's not

1075
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:52,480
culture appropriation, It's a
part of the culture.

1076
01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:57,760
Too much.
I'm sorry, there was the the the

1077
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:01,760
discourse online was too much.
Yeah, yeah.

1078
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:05,280
That's too much, but I mean, he
just wanted to make it where his

1079
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:07,400
friend could sit next to the
girl that he liked.

1080
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:08,880
Right, that's.
All he.

1081
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:11,240
Wanted to do and.
If they happen to get rid of the

1082
01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:13,600
old resha or whatever, he
thought it was right.

1083
01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:19,200
But he again, he really had no,
he really had no idea what

1084
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:22,000
they're talking about because he
hadn't experienced it yet.

1085
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:24,120
So he's just like, yeah, that's
what it sounds like.

1086
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:26,440
OK.
In his mind, he's like, I can

1087
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:29,640
make this work.
And even Will, because when he

1088
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:31,440
asked Will, he was like, you
really believe what they're

1089
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:32,000
saying?
He said.

1090
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:35,360
I believe that she believes it,
you know so.

1091
01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:41,280
Yeah, so he's OK.
I got a ritual we can do.

1092
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:43,360
We can have to sit together in
the circle.

1093
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:48,120
OK.
And we getting the whole hands

1094
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:49,520
right and closing.
Oh, no.

1095
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:53,720
And then when Lily says maybe we
should, maybe we should turn our

1096
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:55,680
backs to each other so we can
see.

1097
01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:57,360
Oh, yeah, my uncle said to do
that.

1098
01:01:57,680 --> 01:01:59,600
Dude, Then why?
Why weren't y'all doing that?

1099
01:01:59,880 --> 01:02:01,640
Oh, I got to go take a leak.
I thought.

1100
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:03,880
I thought we were supposed to
leave the circle.

1101
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:06,440
Oh, but I'm coming right back,
so we'll be OK.

1102
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:08,800
They're like, hold up.
Something right about this?

1103
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:11,600
Right.
My cousin said it was OK.

1104
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:13,560
I thought you said your uncle
told you this.

1105
01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:16,200
Well, yeah.
Well, you know, my uncle told my

1106
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:18,840
cousin and my cousin told me.
Dude, we're not playing

1107
01:02:18,840 --> 01:02:23,000
telephone with summoning demons
or spirits in the graveyard.

1108
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:26,200
No.
Again, he didn't know what they

1109
01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:28,920
really were talking about.
And two, he just wanted his

1110
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:31,320
friend to sit next to the girl
that he liked.

1111
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:36,040
It was Wingman being cheering.
Right.

1112
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:41,200
But they, I mean, when they
start doing this whole thing and

1113
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:43,920
he starts doing the little
prayer or whatever, I was like,

1114
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:45,840
you know what, this is not going
to end well.

1115
01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:49,720
I, I was really expecting
another bloodbath because I was

1116
01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:53,880
like, this is just like kids who
play with a fucking Ouija board.

1117
01:02:53,880 --> 01:03:00,800
Like you don't know what you are
summoning and what's your name

1118
01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:05,120
is Sam and Dean Winchester.
You need to leave it alone.

1119
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:09,440
I can really see Pennywise just
off to the side going.

1120
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:15,080
This is interesting.
Yeah, let's see where this goes.

1121
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:17,320
And that's one of the things
that this week in the

1122
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:21,720
conjuration my friend Don did
like haunted like locations

1123
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:23,440
panel.
And one of the things we talked

1124
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:27,400
about is when there's a child
spirit, rarely is it ever really

1125
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:30,040
a child spirit.
And they don't sat up there and

1126
01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:32,400
conjure something because what
if they conjure something on top

1127
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:35,400
of anyways devils.
Oh my God.

1128
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:40,400
Oh.
God, and it's bad enough so so

1129
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:44,400
of course Ronnie and Lily, they
realize that the guys won.

1130
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:47,440
Don't don't really believe them
that they're just doing this to,

1131
01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:49,680
you know, humor them or
whatever, whatever.

1132
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:53,160
They get mad and they take off.
Now once they take off on their

1133
01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:58,960
bikes, just even looking at the
way they're moving, I was like

1134
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:02,960
something ain't right.
When they went past that statue

1135
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:10,360
on the tombstone, the statue
went I was like, no, it's so

1136
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:15,080
it's so goofy.
No, because the even the

1137
01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:20,880
expression that thing had, he
was like, yeah, no.

1138
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:24,760
I was getting ready to open the
bedding line to see which one we

1139
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:28,680
get out of the house.
I said well I know Wheel is

1140
01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:31,960
safe.
Right, that's the only. 1.

1141
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:34,520
That's the only one that we know
that is the.

1142
01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:38,400
Only one he is.
Maybe maybe Ronnie's the Mama,

1143
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:42,000
and maybe she's saying that
she's the Mama later on in life.

1144
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:46,040
I, you know, I wondered that
too, but I was like, I don't

1145
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:50,840
know, but OK.
Is Rich somebody that we know

1146
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:55,080
from later on with the Losers
Club because he he reminds me of

1147
01:04:55,080 --> 01:04:57,960
a character and I cannot think
of who the character is.

1148
01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:01,120
I don't think so.
OK cuz he reminds me of

1149
01:05:01,120 --> 01:05:04,120
somebody.
Was anybody of human descent and

1150
01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:10,120
the original losers?
Yeah, but you know, so so the

1151
01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:15,440
girls are leaving and the guys
they're like, you know, will

1152
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:17,840
kind of confronts him about you
lied.

1153
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:20,320
He was like, look, it's it's
hard to make friends.

1154
01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:22,200
I was just I was just trying to
make friends.

1155
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:25,320
I was trying to be he was trying
to be a good friend, which I

1156
01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:27,840
get.
But again, stop doing things

1157
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:33,240
that you don't anything having
to do with spirits, leave it

1158
01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:34,480
alone.
Don't don't do it.

1159
01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:36,280
So let's.
Not be out here at night next

1160
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:37,080
time.
How about that?

1161
01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:41,480
Correct?
Let's talk about this.

1162
01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:48,280
There was a curfew in there.
Yeah, we saw it on the front of

1163
01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:51,880
the school when they broke in,
break into the school later on.

1164
01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:56,360
But there is a curfew in Derry.
Why are your parents not driving

1165
01:05:56,360 --> 01:05:58,480
around looking for y'all at
night?

1166
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:02,400
Because they did that thing that
kids do spend the night over so

1167
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:04,480
and so house.
Oh, I'm gonna stay over so and

1168
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:06,480
so house.
Let's see.

1169
01:06:06,680 --> 01:06:09,760
Here's the.
Thing they said I'm going to bed

1170
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:13,240
and they said OK and then that
was it.

1171
01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:16,600
They've been.
Gone the whole day from school.

1172
01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:20,560
So so this is this is where.
Well, they went home and checked

1173
01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:22,760
in, though I really don't know
that space and time.

1174
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:25,560
Because Haley told Halloran that
he was spending the night with

1175
01:06:25,560 --> 01:06:29,720
his friend, so he definitely.
But this is where the disconnect

1176
01:06:29,720 --> 01:06:35,000
comes from me or the disbelief
because your daddy in jail and

1177
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:38,320
with your grandma, the grandmama
you got at home, Rhonda

1178
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:42,960
shouldn't have been out that
house and especially not going

1179
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:46,840
to spend the night with with
Lily because that Lily is really

1180
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:48,560
the only person who's speaking
to her.

1181
01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:53,400
Yeah, but she's she is.
You know, Grandma went and sat

1182
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:57,000
in that chair and fell asleep.
Yeah, and Lily Mama probably at

1183
01:06:57,000 --> 01:06:58,320
work.
Right.

1184
01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:01,840
OK, Lily's Mama.
I can probably, but I'm serious.

1185
01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:03,640
Grandma is in that chair.
Done.

1186
01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:09,720
She read her Bible verse and she
laid on that that that sofa with

1187
01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:13,000
her blanket.
She washed her ears and Ronnie

1188
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:13,880
said.
Goodnight.

1189
01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:16,480
Goodnight, Granny.
All right, love.

1190
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:18,440
All right.
Don't stay up too late.

1191
01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:22,480
And she knocked out.
He has no idea that girl is

1192
01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:25,320
gone.
OK, They had no idea the girl

1193
01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:27,240
was gone the other night when
she went to the theater.

1194
01:07:28,600 --> 01:07:31,200
That's.
True, and it was just the

1195
01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:34,520
grandma there too, because the
daddy, they went up.

1196
01:07:34,640 --> 01:07:39,560
No, Yeah, yeah.
After the episode, they.

1197
01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:41,400
He said they saw him walking
around.

1198
01:07:42,320 --> 01:07:43,800
OK, walking.
Around Oh yeah, you.

1199
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:46,120
Don't remember.
Yeah, I was thinking about to

1200
01:07:46,120 --> 01:07:48,680
say something else.
Oh, no, no, no.

1201
01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:51,040
They saw him.
The the cop, the sheriff said

1202
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:53,720
that we got witnesses that saw
you walking on the street.

1203
01:07:55,040 --> 01:07:56,720
Oh, yeah.
The cigarette.

1204
01:07:57,040 --> 01:07:58,240
The cigarette.
Yeah, yeah.

1205
01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:01,600
Yeah, but I'm.
Tell you I I knew what he was

1206
01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:06,920
doing well for episode 4.
OK, so again, well, I haven't.

1207
01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:09,280
Watched.
No, that's what I'm saying.

1208
01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:12,000
So.
But again, no one knows what

1209
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:14,800
Ronnie doing.
OK OK.

1210
01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:19,120
And you want to know why I
because I saw a TikTok, I sent

1211
01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:24,040
it to you where the commercials
at the end of the evening at

1212
01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:25,960
10:00 said do you know where
your?

1213
01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:29,160
Kids are.
You know where your kids are.

1214
01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:30,840
We're talking.
About that this weekend, too,

1215
01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:32,120
do.
You know, we mentioned that

1216
01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:34,760
during the Stranger Things panel
that we did.

1217
01:08:35,399 --> 01:08:38,120
Long time ago we did, but I just
saw another where someone

1218
01:08:38,200 --> 01:08:41,080
actually showed the the footage
of the different stars saying

1219
01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:43,279
it's 10:00.
Do you know where Europeans are?

1220
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:45,600
Yeah, I remember, I remember
that.

1221
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:47,680
But as.
You know, like by 11 it was.

1222
01:08:49,160 --> 01:08:51,080
Yeah.
There was no more TV.

1223
01:08:51,240 --> 01:08:54,160
There was static, yeah, but I'm
still concerned at 10:00 they

1224
01:08:54,160 --> 01:08:56,319
don't know where none of their
kids are, which is at a grave

1225
01:08:56,319 --> 01:09:00,680
site running from ghost with the
camera, who I would have never

1226
01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:03,359
took in any picture because I
was like, I'm not looking for

1227
01:09:03,359 --> 01:09:05,439
the camera.
I see y'all at the house.

1228
01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:09,880
I don't for Ronnie, she got to
have the camera.

1229
01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:12,279
She's trying to make sure her
dad gets out of jail, that he's

1230
01:09:12,279 --> 01:09:16,120
not going because because in
this day and age, that's not

1231
01:09:16,120 --> 01:09:18,760
going to get one.
He's not going to get a fair

1232
01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:22,840
trial 2.
They're not going to let him sit

1233
01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:25,279
in jail and just rot.
They're going to be looking to

1234
01:09:25,399 --> 01:09:28,520
to kill him.
I can kind of understand Ronnie

1235
01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:31,640
is like we need the camera.
We need the camera and also for

1236
01:09:31,640 --> 01:09:35,920
Lily because Lily is like, I
need y'all to understand that I

1237
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:39,120
am not crazy that these things
exist.

1238
01:09:39,439 --> 01:09:42,080
So, you know, like I said.
This but the other boys I would

1239
01:09:42,080 --> 01:09:44,359
have been at home.
I'm not looking for no camera in

1240
01:09:44,359 --> 01:09:47,640
the dark.
You know what I think?

1241
01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:51,720
The boys, it kind of like when
Anthony said early, I think it

1242
01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:54,880
was taking them a minute to
register what was going on

1243
01:09:55,080 --> 01:09:58,600
because again, they weren't
believing what Ronnie and Lily

1244
01:09:58,600 --> 01:10:00,360
told them.
They were just like, OK, I think

1245
01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:02,600
that they believe it.
But when they.

1246
01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:07,160
Start trying to catch up to them
and the ground starts splitting

1247
01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:09,120
and they realize they're like,
what is going on?

1248
01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:10,880
What is going on?
Then you start seeing the

1249
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:12,680
ghosts.
You see, I didn't.

1250
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:18,960
Mention ghosts.
You see Teddy and you see Teddy

1251
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:23,720
and you, and you see what's his
name.

1252
01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:27,440
Paul I mean, yeah, no.
Phil.

1253
01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:30,920
Phil yes.
Then I'm on my bike and I'm

1254
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:32,800
trying to get out there as fast
as I can and.

1255
01:10:33,480 --> 01:10:37,240
And you got all these ghosts
coming at you and, and you're

1256
01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:40,600
still trying to take pictures
and then the camera gets stuck

1257
01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:42,720
in the tree.
And then one of them gets the

1258
01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:45,480
camera out the tree and then it
falls on the ground and somebody

1259
01:10:45,480 --> 01:10:47,680
else gets it on the ground.
And all the while y'all are

1260
01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:51,920
dodging ghosts and y'all are
taking off, Y'all are gone.

1261
01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:57,800
Will somehow crashes his bike
into one of the Crips.

1262
01:10:59,080 --> 01:11:00,480
Like how?
Do you do this?

1263
01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:03,240
You know he ain't the most
athletic kid.

1264
01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:08,280
Yeah, so he.
Also.

1265
01:11:08,360 --> 01:11:12,840
He's real scared because he he
just realized this Dang lying

1266
01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:19,760
and and he's like, oh snap.
I don't know the science, but I.

1267
01:11:21,880 --> 01:11:24,920
He needed empirical evidence,
and he had plenty of it.

1268
01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:28,560
Plenty of it.
But he he's, he actually has the

1269
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:31,640
camera, he's in the creep and he
sees something move.

1270
01:11:32,480 --> 01:11:37,040
He takes a picture and then you
kind of see the the camera pans

1271
01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:38,960
out and I was like, I hope he
didn't.

1272
01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:42,600
And I was like, no, he can't be
dead because we actually, you

1273
01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:44,720
know, he grows up in.
Hell, you got to have a key.

1274
01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:48,240
So I was.
Like OK again, Mark Safe.

1275
01:11:49,320 --> 01:11:53,640
I know, but still, they're doing
a good job of scaring me in the

1276
01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:55,880
meantime.
Y'all are y'all are giving me

1277
01:11:55,880 --> 01:12:00,120
enough heart attacks because the
other three, they're in the

1278
01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:03,800
front, they're they're safe.
They've made it across the

1279
01:12:03,800 --> 01:12:07,080
threshold and they're like where
is Will?

1280
01:12:07,160 --> 01:12:10,200
Where is will.
I was like if y'all don't go

1281
01:12:10,200 --> 01:12:12,160
back in there and get that boy,
I don't care.

1282
01:12:13,160 --> 01:12:16,560
I love how Rick Rich was like,
oh, he was right behind, no.

1283
01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:18,640
He was he was never right behind
you.

1284
01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:21,480
You ain't even look.
No, actually I think he was

1285
01:12:21,480 --> 01:12:26,600
because because Will started
coming out of the crypt and this

1286
01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:30,560
was when Rich his his bike was
out of control.

1287
01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:33,560
He was coming down the hill and
the camera dropped.

1288
01:12:34,040 --> 01:12:37,400
He told Will to get the camera
and he thought Will was right

1289
01:12:37,400 --> 01:12:39,520
behind him because Will was
trying to get on his bike.

1290
01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:42,040
He grabbed the camera and then I
don't.

1291
01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:46,520
I think what happened was he saw
something in his peripheral and

1292
01:12:46,520 --> 01:12:48,200
he went to go look at and I'm
going to tell y'all.

1293
01:12:48,200 --> 01:12:50,680
I was sitting on my couch
yelling at Will.

1294
01:12:50,960 --> 01:12:54,520
I was like, Will, you are black.
We don't go looking for shit.

1295
01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:59,840
Get out of the graveyard.
I was when I said I was so done.

1296
01:12:59,840 --> 01:13:02,160
It's that.
It's that natural curiosity.

1297
01:13:02,280 --> 01:13:04,920
Bro, ain't that much, but you
know what?

1298
01:13:05,080 --> 01:13:07,320
Man, where you going?
Where you going?

1299
01:13:07,960 --> 01:13:12,440
And you know what, I say this
like I wouldn't do it.

1300
01:13:12,440 --> 01:13:15,400
But you know what?
If I was a child, I'd be the

1301
01:13:15,440 --> 01:13:19,680
only child because I, when you
think about it, when I was that

1302
01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:25,080
age, 10/11/12, whatever, we were
doing all kinds of stuff that we

1303
01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:27,760
had no business doing as kids
like we had.

1304
01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:32,200
We had these woods and behind,
behind my apartment complex and

1305
01:13:32,200 --> 01:13:35,480
we used to play in those woods.
We used to go through them so

1306
01:13:35,480 --> 01:13:38,120
much that we had carved up that
there was a path, there was a

1307
01:13:38,120 --> 01:13:42,120
walking path from the front of
the apartment complex all the

1308
01:13:42,120 --> 01:13:45,200
way to the back.
We used to go in there.

1309
01:13:45,480 --> 01:13:49,320
We used to catch snakes, we used
to catch praying mantises and

1310
01:13:49,320 --> 01:13:52,200
black widows and put them in
jars and make them fight each

1311
01:13:52,200 --> 01:13:53,520
other.
Who would?

1312
01:13:54,520 --> 01:13:57,680
Yes, as an adult, we're like,
that was stupid because black

1313
01:13:57,680 --> 01:14:00,600
widows are poisonous.
As a 12 year old, we're like,

1314
01:14:01,760 --> 01:14:05,120
that ain't going to bother me.
I, I, I'm good enough.

1315
01:14:05,120 --> 01:14:09,320
I, I can do this.
And I we think we are invincible

1316
01:14:09,320 --> 01:14:12,160
when we are that age.
So it's like, even though we're

1317
01:14:12,160 --> 01:14:15,040
saying this now, it's like, oh,
y'all should have had more

1318
01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:17,760
sense.
No, as children, we think we're.

1319
01:14:18,040 --> 01:14:22,240
Investing however some of us
were scary and I wouldn't be in

1320
01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:24,280
the grave site.
So I'm just saying because I'll

1321
01:14:24,320 --> 01:14:26,720
be like we don't even have to do
the same.

1322
01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:28,520
I'll be like I see the ghost
already.

1323
01:14:28,520 --> 01:14:31,360
I'm going home everybody all
right, see y'all later and ride

1324
01:14:31,360 --> 01:14:33,760
my bike to the house.
You're right, it's dark out

1325
01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:34,440
here.
I ain't going to say.

1326
01:14:35,640 --> 01:14:41,120
I'm not going through no grace,
no, no cemetery for me.

1327
01:14:41,120 --> 01:14:44,640
I don't want to do it now.
I wasn't doing it as a kid.

1328
01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:49,480
So, so Will finally does come
out the cemetery and then like I

1329
01:14:49,480 --> 01:14:52,400
said, they make their way to the
school where they break in and

1330
01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:56,960
they go into the dark room and
they they you know, read

1331
01:14:56,960 --> 01:14:59,720
instructions and learn how to
develop film.

1332
01:15:01,280 --> 01:15:05,520
I was like, OK, so they start
developing the film and the

1333
01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:09,680
camera actually did capture the
images.

1334
01:15:09,680 --> 01:15:14,920
So you see Phil, you see Teddy
and you see Susie and they're

1335
01:15:14,920 --> 01:15:19,800
getting excited because they're
like, and I was like, y'all

1336
01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:23,400
should like y'all should not be
this excited.

1337
01:15:23,400 --> 01:15:26,440
Like I understand you're excited
that the pictures came out, but

1338
01:15:27,320 --> 01:15:31,840
that is a chewed up Susie's face
that you're looking at, which

1339
01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:36,400
was weird to me too because I
was like, they didn't find any

1340
01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:39,400
bodies, so why were they in the
graveyard?

1341
01:15:39,400 --> 01:15:42,600
That's that's just something I'm
thinking of like no.

1342
01:15:42,600 --> 01:15:48,280
This is that's that's.
Yeah, OK.

1343
01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:51,880
But.
So they they, they developed

1344
01:15:51,880 --> 01:15:53,920
those film.
And then the last one is the

1345
01:15:53,920 --> 01:15:56,360
picture that will took inside
the crypt.

1346
01:15:57,400 --> 01:16:03,560
And when they look at it, the
the figure inside is is kind of

1347
01:16:03,560 --> 01:16:07,240
blurry, but you very clearly see
the two eyes.

1348
01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:09,360
Yeah.
And they're looking at him.

1349
01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:13,840
They're like, it's a clown.
And I'm looking at that image

1350
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:18,120
like y'all got good eyes because
it didn't really look like a

1351
01:16:18,120 --> 01:16:20,240
clown to me.
It looked like a pair of eyes

1352
01:16:20,280 --> 01:16:22,960
and fuzzy whatever.
It didn't look like a clown to

1353
01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:26,520
me, but I was like, OK.
It reminded me of the so like

1354
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:30,600
the the image of like the old
school Penny Wise when he was a

1355
01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:34,200
human, that on the real Penny
Wise was like a human and and

1356
01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:37,680
Francis saw him sitting on the
thing over there and he put the

1357
01:16:37,680 --> 01:16:40,160
hair, the Wick.
It was that old school looking

1358
01:16:40,160 --> 01:16:42,520
image.
OK and so.

1359
01:16:42,680 --> 01:16:44,320
Yeah, the little girl that was
dressed up.

1360
01:16:44,320 --> 01:16:45,360
Like, yeah, the little girl,
yeah.

1361
01:16:45,400 --> 01:16:48,040
Whatever it was, the girl.
Yeah, OK.

1362
01:16:48,760 --> 01:16:52,600
But either way.
That is was.

1363
01:16:52,600 --> 01:16:55,640
Scary.
Yeah, 'cause I would look at

1364
01:16:55,640 --> 01:16:59,680
that and I'd be like, OK, you
know what, 1 we don't need to

1365
01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:01,680
summon nothing else.
Yeah.

1366
01:17:02,200 --> 01:17:07,280
And so also, again, you are
messing with forces that you

1367
01:17:07,280 --> 01:17:11,080
don't understand.
How do you know that whatever

1368
01:17:11,080 --> 01:17:13,760
that was y'all left behind in
the graveyard?

1369
01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:20,960
You don't know that.
I mean, yeah, there's, there's

1370
01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:27,240
just, it always bugs me when
not, and I won't even say just

1371
01:17:27,240 --> 01:17:32,240
kids when people just take
something like that and they're

1372
01:17:32,240 --> 01:17:34,040
like, oh, yeah, OK, so we're
going to do this.

1373
01:17:34,040 --> 01:17:35,760
OK, let's go summon this and
let's go.

1374
01:17:36,320 --> 01:17:37,800
Do you even know what you're
doing?

1375
01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:40,880
No.
So why are you messing with it?

1376
01:17:41,080 --> 01:17:44,680
Because if you want, if you
don't know what you're doing, if

1377
01:17:44,680 --> 01:17:51,480
you don't have that experience,
you don't know how to control

1378
01:17:51,560 --> 01:17:55,320
whatever it is you're doing.
Oh yeah, don't read from the

1379
01:17:55,320 --> 01:17:56,520
book.
Don't read.

1380
01:17:56,520 --> 01:17:58,360
From the how it works.
Right.

1381
01:17:58,440 --> 01:18:00,640
No thumbs, ever.
Come from reading from a book.

1382
01:18:01,040 --> 01:18:05,200
Oh yeah, yeah, don't say, but I
mean just.

1383
01:18:06,080 --> 01:18:08,320
I just feel like for them
though, it's just 'cause they

1384
01:18:08,320 --> 01:18:11,360
didn't, he didn't believe when
he was telling them let's go do

1385
01:18:11,360 --> 01:18:12,800
this.
He didn't believe it was going

1386
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:15,400
to be a thing, nothing was going
to happen.

1387
01:18:15,400 --> 01:18:17,200
And 'cause they didn't even
believe them girls.

1388
01:18:17,480 --> 01:18:19,440
But then the girls were just so
desperate.

1389
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:22,400
They wanted to try anything.
They didn't care.

1390
01:18:22,720 --> 01:18:25,720
Yeah.
Yeah, like Hanukkah said, Ronnie

1391
01:18:25,720 --> 01:18:29,440
wants to prove that her father
is innocent, and Lily wants to

1392
01:18:29,440 --> 01:18:33,360
prove that she's not crazy.
Yeah, yeah, so the boys are just

1393
01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:36,160
like, alright, if y'all say so.
Crazy girls.

1394
01:18:36,960 --> 01:18:41,120
But you're cute though, right?
And Rich is going to make it

1395
01:18:41,120 --> 01:18:42,960
happen.
Rich is going to make it happen.

1396
01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:47,400
Yeah, The thing is, if, if y'all
didn't wake something up before,

1397
01:18:47,400 --> 01:18:50,560
if something wasn't awakened
before, y'all definitely did

1398
01:18:50,560 --> 01:18:54,640
something now.
I mean, again, that's not

1399
01:18:54,640 --> 01:18:56,480
something you can control.
You don't know.

1400
01:18:56,480 --> 01:18:59,120
You don't know what followed you
out of that graveyard.

1401
01:18:59,200 --> 01:19:03,760
You don't know what happened in
that town now because you're

1402
01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:06,480
you're messing with things that
you don't understand.

1403
01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:10,600
Yeah, but even.
And and that goes back to the

1404
01:19:10,600 --> 01:19:13,440
adults, too.
The general is sitting here

1405
01:19:13,440 --> 01:19:17,920
looking for this weapon, right?
He knows it's a weapon.

1406
01:19:18,080 --> 01:19:21,400
He knows the IT has something to
do with fear.

1407
01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:28,520
The more and more you start to
remember again, you you've been

1408
01:19:28,520 --> 01:19:32,120
going around digging up stuff,
you don't know what you're

1409
01:19:32,120 --> 01:19:34,360
doing.
You don't know what effect it's

1410
01:19:34,360 --> 01:19:37,360
having.
And if you did let loose

1411
01:19:37,360 --> 01:19:39,680
something, you're not going to
be able to control it.

1412
01:19:40,080 --> 01:19:42,800
Contain it, right?
The other thing I'm trying to

1413
01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:46,240
figure out is where are his
superiors that they just let him

1414
01:19:46,240 --> 01:19:48,080
run rampant and do all this
stuff?

1415
01:19:48,360 --> 01:19:50,520
I mean.
Like how did he prove to them

1416
01:19:50,520 --> 01:19:52,880
that he knew for a fact that
there was a weapon there where

1417
01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:55,960
he could use all these resources
to go find it?

1418
01:19:56,000 --> 01:19:56,840
It's crazy to.
Me.

1419
01:19:57,280 --> 01:20:01,400
During the 40s, fifties and
60's, the military was doing

1420
01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:05,720
everything.
This is around the same time men

1421
01:20:05,720 --> 01:20:08,400
stare at ghosts.
They were doing everything.

1422
01:20:10,880 --> 01:20:15,600
They were doing everything.
Yeah, yeah.

1423
01:20:16,360 --> 01:20:20,480
And I think also at that time,
if you have someone, what was it

1424
01:20:20,480 --> 01:20:23,120
that he was telling the guy that
was showing him the pictures

1425
01:20:23,200 --> 01:20:25,880
from the car?
He said Halloran's psychic

1426
01:20:25,880 --> 01:20:29,000
ability has been proven.
Like we know that that is

1427
01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:32,160
definitely a thing.
So whatever they had Halloran

1428
01:20:32,160 --> 01:20:36,040
doing before or whatever
Halloran was doing before to put

1429
01:20:36,040 --> 01:20:39,200
themselves on their radar to
say, hey, we might need to do

1430
01:20:39,200 --> 01:20:42,840
something with this guy was
obviously enough for them to

1431
01:20:42,840 --> 01:20:45,640
say, you know what, we going to
give you run of this town.

1432
01:20:45,920 --> 01:20:48,800
You do whatever you need to find
that weapon because again,

1433
01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:52,200
they're looking for a weapon.
They don't they don't know that

1434
01:20:52,200 --> 01:20:55,520
they're looking for being now.
I think that Francis is going to

1435
01:20:55,520 --> 01:20:58,880
figure that out the more and
more he starts digging,

1436
01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:02,080
especially now that his memory
is coming back.

1437
01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:05,120
He's the same Rose.
I think he's going to start

1438
01:21:05,120 --> 01:21:07,960
remembering more.
And at some point he'll probably

1439
01:21:08,080 --> 01:21:11,800
be like, oh, wait, I do remember
seeing a monster in the woods.

1440
01:21:11,800 --> 01:21:13,920
Maybe I need to leave that
alone.

1441
01:21:13,920 --> 01:21:15,000
But I mean I.
Hope.

1442
01:21:15,280 --> 01:21:18,320
So Caloran just gave you a
warning, he said.

1443
01:21:18,320 --> 01:21:22,480
I have a feeling whatever it is
we're doing, we should not be

1444
01:21:22,480 --> 01:21:25,440
doing it because something bad
is going to happen.

1445
01:21:25,640 --> 01:21:31,640
Maybe we need to let this go.
Yeah, the main When the psychic

1446
01:21:31,640 --> 01:21:33,680
is telling you to leave shit
alone, you.

1447
01:21:34,240 --> 01:21:36,400
Leave it alone.
You leave it alone.

1448
01:21:37,280 --> 01:21:40,320
Yeah, I think the oh, go ahead.
Sorry, I was just going to say

1449
01:21:40,320 --> 01:21:44,280
back to the why is he doing it?
Remember they're they're only

1450
01:21:44,280 --> 01:21:47,400
like 20 years removed from
Hitler.

1451
01:21:47,400 --> 01:21:52,360
Looking for artifacts and
different things across Europe.

1452
01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:55,040
Yeah, you know.
So.

1453
01:21:55,280 --> 01:21:58,920
And it's been 50 years since he
encountered that thing, so his

1454
01:21:58,920 --> 01:22:03,480
memory is probably really like
he don't remember nothing about

1455
01:22:03,480 --> 01:22:07,000
that situation.
But he knows something is there.

1456
01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:10,840
Yeah, yeah.
I bet you if a clown walk across

1457
01:22:10,840 --> 01:22:14,480
his peripheral in the next few
days, he's probably going to be

1458
01:22:14,480 --> 01:22:17,640
like oh wait.
I wonder if it's going to be the

1459
01:22:17,680 --> 01:22:20,120
the toothless man.
Don't continue to be that

1460
01:22:20,160 --> 01:22:21,200
though.
That's what I wonder.

1461
01:22:22,200 --> 01:22:26,000
Probably should be, yeah.
Because that's what scared him

1462
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:29,000
back then.
I mean, I'm sure he's probably

1463
01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:33,040
seeing other things being in the
military, but that's that's a

1464
01:22:33,040 --> 01:22:34,320
childhood fear.
I think.

1465
01:22:34,320 --> 01:22:36,200
Anthony, you were talking about
that earlier.

1466
01:22:36,200 --> 01:22:37,600
Yeah.
This is something from his

1467
01:22:37,600 --> 01:22:41,800
childhood that he probably never
got over.

1468
01:22:42,080 --> 01:22:44,240
Yeah.
And you remember in the book, in

1469
01:22:44,240 --> 01:22:47,000
the movies, I think he was doing
that to the Losers Club as

1470
01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:49,680
adults.
He was bringing back things that

1471
01:22:49,680 --> 01:22:51,000
they were scared of his
children.

1472
01:22:51,560 --> 01:22:56,440
Yeah, because he did the blood
with Bev and then Stan was

1473
01:22:56,440 --> 01:23:00,200
sucking his thumb and doing his
ear when he he reverted back to

1474
01:23:00,240 --> 01:23:04,840
those days and.
Bill kept saying Georgie.

1475
01:23:05,320 --> 01:23:08,760
Yeah, he kept saying George
stuttering and see.

1476
01:23:08,800 --> 01:23:23,320
Richie BB Yeah, let me tell you,
I will say this.

1477
01:23:23,480 --> 01:23:29,640
I really am enjoying the series,
but the the scares are are

1478
01:23:29,640 --> 01:23:35,760
getting to me if I see and and
and The thing is, I know we this

1479
01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:39,480
this show only has what 6
episodes in the first season?

1480
01:23:41,920 --> 01:23:47,120
Hey, another six we haven't even
seen like actual Pennywise yet.

1481
01:23:47,560 --> 01:23:49,320
Nope, that's what I was telling
you the other day.

1482
01:23:49,360 --> 01:23:51,400
We have not.
Right.

1483
01:23:51,960 --> 01:23:55,120
I know he gonna pull some some
weird scary shit when we finally

1484
01:23:55,120 --> 01:23:58,400
do see him.
Oh yeah, it's, it's coming.

1485
01:23:58,840 --> 01:24:02,520
Because I've also seen it, I
think in one of the other promos

1486
01:24:02,520 --> 01:24:04,800
where he once again does that
fast.

1487
01:24:06,680 --> 01:24:08,920
I'm no.
Yeah, they keep making sure to

1488
01:24:08,920 --> 01:24:11,680
put that in the trailers.
And I'm gonna need them to stop.

1489
01:24:12,560 --> 01:24:16,760
I'm gonna need them to stop.
And then you get to the show and

1490
01:24:16,760 --> 01:24:19,560
then it doesn't happen.
You're like, Oh no, yeah, it's

1491
01:24:19,560 --> 01:24:22,800
still.
Coming, I don't know.

1492
01:24:24,400 --> 01:24:29,600
The only other thing that we
didn't touch on is during the

1493
01:24:29,600 --> 01:24:34,520
dinner at the Hamlin's house, we
do find out a little bit more

1494
01:24:34,520 --> 01:24:39,120
about Missus Ham, like the fact
that she is actually a teacher.

1495
01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:43,240
She used to teach in Louisiana.
She cannot find a teaching job

1496
01:24:43,240 --> 01:24:45,880
there in Derry.
So this some time has to have

1497
01:24:45,880 --> 01:24:50,320
passed, you know?
But she's unable to find a job

1498
01:24:50,320 --> 01:24:54,400
in Derry, not just because they
probably aren't going to hire a

1499
01:24:54,400 --> 01:24:58,720
black woman, which is what the
implication is, but also because

1500
01:24:59,120 --> 01:25:05,640
she was part of the civil rights
movement down South and not, it

1501
01:25:05,640 --> 01:25:11,280
seems like maybe not in the
quite so peaceful way.

1502
01:25:11,280 --> 01:25:13,440
I don't know.
I was kind of getting that vibe

1503
01:25:13,440 --> 01:25:15,560
from the way they were talking.
Yeah.

1504
01:25:15,560 --> 01:25:18,320
Because she she had no problems
talking about it.

1505
01:25:18,320 --> 01:25:23,560
And Calorin seemed to be kind of
encouraging that.

1506
01:25:23,560 --> 01:25:27,360
So he was probably also digging
in her brain trying to find out

1507
01:25:27,360 --> 01:25:30,000
about her.
Leroy was just kind of like, we

1508
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:32,880
got to talk about that right
now, like, and.

1509
01:25:32,880 --> 01:25:36,520
And that, that's when I think
and start saying, Oh yeah, you

1510
01:25:36,520 --> 01:25:40,440
know, 'cause she was like, yeah,
my husband thinks that that kind

1511
01:25:40,440 --> 01:25:43,560
of talk will, you know, 'cause
him problems trying to advance

1512
01:25:43,560 --> 01:25:47,040
in the military and how was
like, well, you know, he might

1513
01:25:47,040 --> 01:25:50,000
be right.
And she's like, so yeah, I see

1514
01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:51,480
you.
Flyboy is going to be sticking

1515
01:25:51,480 --> 01:25:56,280
together, ma'am.
Why is she not in the military

1516
01:25:56,280 --> 01:25:58,520
'cause she gets a strong will
that she want to be.

1517
01:25:59,840 --> 01:26:02,840
No, no, no.
That that's the reason why.

1518
01:26:02,840 --> 01:26:06,440
Also, she ain't and she ain't
going to follow no directions,

1519
01:26:06,600 --> 01:26:08,360
No.
OK, let's try that again.

1520
01:26:08,840 --> 01:26:11,200
No.
Because I will say this to her

1521
01:26:11,200 --> 01:26:15,320
again, I like the fact that she
is strong willed but also it

1522
01:26:15,320 --> 01:26:23,320
just it makes me worry for her
given the time and where she is.

1523
01:26:23,680 --> 01:26:26,680
Yeah.
Like I just really feel like

1524
01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:31,160
something might happen to her.
She.

1525
01:26:31,480 --> 01:26:33,720
She's not setting herself up for
success.

1526
01:26:34,040 --> 01:26:36,120
And we said that in the last
episode, too.

1527
01:26:36,120 --> 01:26:38,680
It's it's kind of like, like you
keep trying to push the

1528
01:26:38,680 --> 01:26:41,120
envelope.
And right now, in 1962, the

1529
01:26:41,120 --> 01:26:43,000
envelope is not ready to be
pushed.

1530
01:26:43,400 --> 01:26:46,240
And you just got.
There and you just got there.

1531
01:26:46,680 --> 01:26:48,440
That's the thing you just got
there.

1532
01:26:48,440 --> 01:26:50,200
You need to get the lay of the
land.

1533
01:26:50,720 --> 01:26:54,680
Find out who your allies are,
find out who you can push and

1534
01:26:54,680 --> 01:26:57,800
who you can't.
You know, she, she didn't give

1535
01:26:57,800 --> 01:26:59,720
it.
She got to get into the

1536
01:26:59,720 --> 01:27:01,440
community first.
Yeah.

1537
01:27:02,680 --> 01:27:07,640
And the community, yeah.
And I mean, just even their

1538
01:27:07,640 --> 01:27:09,720
neighbors.
Like, even when Hamlin was

1539
01:27:09,720 --> 01:27:13,080
letting Halloran in the house,
you know, you got neighbors

1540
01:27:13,080 --> 01:27:15,520
walking down and they just kind
of look at them like.

1541
01:27:15,960 --> 01:27:20,080
Yeah.
I was like, OK, it's it's gonna

1542
01:27:20,080 --> 01:27:23,000
come at at some point in the
next few episodes.

1543
01:27:23,000 --> 01:27:27,920
So I just, I, I don't know,
because again, I don't remember

1544
01:27:27,920 --> 01:27:34,240
much about Hanlon's family
except for the fact that his

1545
01:27:34,240 --> 01:27:37,600
parents were dead and his
grandfather raised him.

1546
01:27:38,080 --> 01:27:40,760
I don't think they talked about
the grandmother in the original

1547
01:27:40,760 --> 01:27:43,640
story, right?
So they didn't talk about her,

1548
01:27:43,640 --> 01:27:46,320
remember?
I don't think so.

1549
01:27:46,760 --> 01:27:49,920
I, you know, I'm just, like I
said, I worry for her.

1550
01:27:51,480 --> 01:27:53,840
I, I like that they're, they're
showing her as a strong

1551
01:27:53,840 --> 01:27:55,200
character.
And that's the other thing.

1552
01:27:56,280 --> 01:28:03,560
Somebody, somebody made a post
on Twitter and they said one

1553
01:28:03,560 --> 01:28:06,840
thing about Stephen King.
He loved himself some black

1554
01:28:06,840 --> 01:28:07,800
magic.
People.

1555
01:28:08,160 --> 01:28:09,560
Oh, black.
Magic, right?

1556
01:28:09,960 --> 01:28:12,280
They were like, he loves some
magical black people.

1557
01:28:12,280 --> 01:28:14,400
I was like, OK, I think they
were talking about something

1558
01:28:14,400 --> 01:28:17,880
happening in in Episode 4, but
like I said, I haven't seen it

1559
01:28:17,880 --> 01:28:19,960
yet.
But I mean, Even so, the

1560
01:28:19,960 --> 01:28:24,400
characters that we see so far
are all very strong black

1561
01:28:24,400 --> 01:28:30,880
characters, you know?
But again, it makes me worry.

1562
01:28:31,480 --> 01:28:35,920
Yeah, because of the time.
But also when in his writing

1563
01:28:35,920 --> 01:28:39,040
though, so he they probably
meant that more as a slight

1564
01:28:39,040 --> 01:28:41,640
because in his writing he'll
have the characters and

1565
01:28:41,680 --> 01:28:44,240
obviously it's based on whatever
time the time is.

1566
01:28:44,760 --> 01:28:49,360
But like for instance, Dick
Halloran Duke kind of got that

1567
01:28:49,360 --> 01:28:52,200
old shucking and jiving kind of
talk kind of speak, you know

1568
01:28:52,200 --> 01:28:53,880
what I mean?
Like they kind of, he kind of

1569
01:28:53,880 --> 01:28:57,040
has that in those characters
from back in the day.

1570
01:28:57,480 --> 01:29:00,480
Yeah, his characters are,
especially his black characters.

1571
01:29:01,360 --> 01:29:04,840
I appreciate his effort.
Right, right.

1572
01:29:05,080 --> 01:29:07,960
But obviously he didn't go talk
to nobody, because even Mother

1573
01:29:07,960 --> 01:29:12,080
Abigail understand.
I mean, you talk about magical

1574
01:29:12,080 --> 01:29:18,640
black people.
Yeah, he tried, so I give him

1575
01:29:18,680 --> 01:29:19,920
that.
Right.

1576
01:29:19,960 --> 01:29:22,720
But The thing is, he's from
Maine, so.

1577
01:29:23,080 --> 01:29:28,560
He probably has a different view
saw on TV, right, like Amos and

1578
01:29:28,560 --> 01:29:30,000
Andy, like he probably wasn't
watching.

1579
01:29:31,680 --> 01:29:34,360
Yeah.
And I mean, let let's be honest,

1580
01:29:34,360 --> 01:29:37,560
he probably had to fight just to
be able to keep the black

1581
01:29:37,560 --> 01:29:40,000
characters in his books.
Because I think I've read that

1582
01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:42,360
somewhere.
Where they wanted him to change

1583
01:29:42,360 --> 01:29:45,600
some of the characters like no.
Oh yeah, and Michael Clarke

1584
01:29:45,600 --> 01:29:48,160
Duncan in the Green Mile.
Another black magical.

1585
01:29:48,160 --> 01:29:50,720
Black person.
Yeah, I like these magical black

1586
01:29:50,720 --> 01:29:55,040
people.
Again, I applaud the expert.

1587
01:29:55,600 --> 01:29:58,680
There was somebody else.
Because that.

1588
01:29:58,840 --> 01:30:00,560
I was trying to pull out no
more.

1589
01:30:01,360 --> 01:30:06,600
Of the ones from Stephen King.
But you know, it is what it is.

1590
01:30:06,600 --> 01:30:11,120
That's funny.
I thought during one of the

1591
01:30:11,120 --> 01:30:17,360
panels we were talking about the
character, how people were

1592
01:30:17,360 --> 01:30:19,800
writing a representation panel.
We were talking about that

1593
01:30:19,800 --> 01:30:22,200
because I was actually going to
talk about the Stephen King

1594
01:30:23,120 --> 01:30:28,040
theme, that there's certain
tropes and certain stereotypes

1595
01:30:28,560 --> 01:30:33,600
because people were writing what
they liked and what they knew.

1596
01:30:34,480 --> 01:30:36,960
And.
Obviously he didn't really.

1597
01:30:37,200 --> 01:30:40,560
It didn't seem like he knew a
lot of black people, but he had

1598
01:30:40,600 --> 01:30:44,800
an idealized stereotype version
of black people.

1599
01:30:45,440 --> 01:30:48,000
But you know what?
I'm going to be honest, if I

1600
01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:52,240
have to, If I have to choose
between magical black people and

1601
01:30:52,240 --> 01:30:55,120
oppressed black people, I'll go
with the magical.

1602
01:30:56,200 --> 01:31:01,560
I, I will because you can only
yeah.

1603
01:31:01,640 --> 01:31:06,840
I, I, I'm so sick of, of reading
or hearing about the slavery and

1604
01:31:06,840 --> 01:31:11,160
the oppression and the yeah, I,
I deal with magical black

1605
01:31:11,160 --> 01:31:13,680
people.
I, I I'll take that stereotype.

1606
01:31:13,920 --> 01:31:16,920
Yeah, the cool thing about
Stephen King is he could do it.

1607
01:31:17,280 --> 01:31:20,960
And and like a lot of other
authors who were told not to do

1608
01:31:20,960 --> 01:31:22,560
it.
Yeah, yeah.

1609
01:31:23,040 --> 01:31:27,160
So they, they, I, like I said,
I, I applaud the effort.

1610
01:31:27,360 --> 01:31:32,720
Yeah, yeah.
But let's see, I think we

1611
01:31:32,720 --> 01:31:34,440
touched on everything in this
episode.

1612
01:31:34,440 --> 01:31:37,160
I think the main three points
are Nope.

1613
01:31:40,040 --> 01:31:41,240
Nope.
Nope.

1614
01:31:42,360 --> 01:31:45,400
And Nope, children shouldn't
play with their things.

1615
01:31:45,560 --> 01:31:49,160
I think that was the, I think
that may have been the title of

1616
01:31:49,160 --> 01:31:51,200
Supernatural episode at one
point.

1617
01:31:52,840 --> 01:31:56,800
And yeah, don't.
Trust your wing man.

1618
01:31:56,800 --> 01:32:01,000
Just go with it.
Who's still with?

1619
01:32:01,600 --> 01:32:05,640
It, you know, maybe if you want
to date a girl, maybe not in the

1620
01:32:05,640 --> 01:32:07,240
cemetery.
Yeah, maybe.

1621
01:32:07,560 --> 01:32:11,080
Not I mean.
And not conjuring evil spirits.

1622
01:32:11,080 --> 01:32:13,200
Yeah.
At the same time, you know,

1623
01:32:13,440 --> 01:32:17,080
yeah.
Again, Rich was trying to help.

1624
01:32:17,200 --> 01:32:19,160
I mean, he was.
I'm just saying the whole

1625
01:32:19,160 --> 01:32:21,440
situation was not what it needed
to be.

1626
01:32:21,640 --> 01:32:22,640
He was his he.
He.

1627
01:32:22,800 --> 01:32:24,440
He thought on his feet like he
was.

1628
01:32:24,520 --> 01:32:28,160
He was fast, he saw, he saw
opening and he took it

1629
01:32:28,160 --> 01:32:29,840
immediately.
He didn't even think twice.

1630
01:32:30,400 --> 01:32:34,240
Right, because if you like.
About Phil and Teddy, when Lily

1631
01:32:34,240 --> 01:32:37,280
went to them, at first they were
like, no, we don't think you

1632
01:32:37,280 --> 01:32:39,040
telling the truth.
This is crazy.

1633
01:32:39,280 --> 01:32:42,520
They were like, OK, we believe
that she that they believe it,

1634
01:32:42,520 --> 01:32:44,040
but you know what?
We going to go with it.

1635
01:32:44,080 --> 01:32:46,880
We we going to be there.
We going to support them if they

1636
01:32:46,880 --> 01:32:48,400
feel like this is what they need
to.

1637
01:32:48,680 --> 01:32:52,960
They were all in.
So I mean, I'm cool with Will

1638
01:32:52,960 --> 01:32:57,080
and and Rich because yeah.
They're cute little babies, but

1639
01:32:57,120 --> 01:33:00,760
the but the ladies, I'm sorry,
the ladies.

1640
01:33:00,760 --> 01:33:05,560
I needed y'all to stop and think
this plan just don't go with it

1641
01:33:05,560 --> 01:33:07,680
because they said I know how to
do something.

1642
01:33:08,160 --> 01:33:11,040
OK, so let's go to the cemetery.
They.

1643
01:33:11,080 --> 01:33:13,440
Were desperate.
They were desperate.

1644
01:33:13,440 --> 01:33:17,240
Both of them have things to
prove, and at this point, they

1645
01:33:17,240 --> 01:33:20,240
probably will.
Like, what is it going to hurt?

1646
01:33:21,520 --> 01:33:25,840
You know?
I mean, yeah, like, we've

1647
01:33:25,880 --> 01:33:29,240
already seen our friends torn to
pieces.

1648
01:33:29,640 --> 01:33:34,280
My dad is in jail.
I've seen my dad discombobulated

1649
01:33:34,280 --> 01:33:37,280
and dismembered in pickled like
they probably were at this

1650
01:33:37,280 --> 01:33:38,520
point.
They were like, OK, you know

1651
01:33:38,520 --> 01:33:39,880
what?
Whatever.

1652
01:33:40,800 --> 01:33:44,360
If it's going, if it's going to
help us prove our case, we'll do

1653
01:33:44,360 --> 01:33:45,320
it.
Yeah.

1654
01:33:46,880 --> 01:33:49,680
And it just didn't work out the
way they wanted it to work out.

1655
01:33:50,120 --> 01:33:55,320
But they got the pictures so.
My question was, I, I was

1656
01:33:55,320 --> 01:33:57,480
sitting there thinking they
fooled with these pictures.

1657
01:33:57,480 --> 01:34:00,120
They they, they don't know that
he can jump out the picture.

1658
01:34:00,960 --> 01:34:03,000
And see that.
They don't know that part.

1659
01:34:03,720 --> 01:34:06,200
Because you, you can't control
it.

1660
01:34:06,200 --> 01:34:08,200
You don't know what you've
unleashed.

1661
01:34:08,640 --> 01:34:11,080
Yeah.
So they, they don't know, like I

1662
01:34:11,080 --> 01:34:15,320
said, he could have whatever
that spirit is, because you do

1663
01:34:15,320 --> 01:34:17,960
know that spirits can attach
themselves to people.

1664
01:34:18,200 --> 01:34:21,120
They don't know what they
unleashed in the cemetery,

1665
01:34:21,120 --> 01:34:24,840
didn't follow them out.
And maybe that's why the the

1666
01:34:24,880 --> 01:34:27,080
losers did see him coming out of
pictures.

1667
01:34:27,480 --> 01:34:30,800
It's because of what they did.
What if it was because of them?

1668
01:34:30,800 --> 01:34:36,000
You know how you say he wasn't
strong and then he woke up

1669
01:34:36,000 --> 01:34:40,280
because Dick was in his head and
all this stuff and maybe what

1670
01:34:40,320 --> 01:34:42,080
is?
All this is interesting, this is

1671
01:34:42,080 --> 01:34:43,760
something I haven't encountered
before.

1672
01:34:44,600 --> 01:34:55,240
And now he has portals.
OK, well, yeah, that now I'm

1673
01:34:55,240 --> 01:34:57,280
going to go back to the original
thought.

1674
01:34:57,280 --> 01:34:59,800
Nope.
Nope.

1675
01:35:00,200 --> 01:35:02,240
You guys have any final thoughts
on this episode?

1676
01:35:04,160 --> 01:35:08,120
Nope.
And on that note, that is it for

1677
01:35:08,120 --> 01:35:10,000
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1678
01:35:10,000 --> 01:35:14,200
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1679
01:35:14,200 --> 01:35:15,840
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1680
01:35:16,120 --> 01:35:18,160
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1681
01:35:18,160 --> 01:35:20,960
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1682
01:35:20,960 --> 01:35:24,080
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1683
01:35:24,400 --> 01:35:26,080
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1684
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