IT: Welcome to Derry (Season 1 Episode 1) - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #382

0:25 What's up, hybrids? Welcome back to another episode of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast. This is Hanukkah and I'm here with Anthony, Michelle, and Dina from Drunk and Blurty is joining us. And we are going to step out of our comfort zone. We're going to get away from fantasy a little bit and get into some horror because there is a new Stephen King product out there online. The television sets it, is it welcome to dairy. And as Stephen King fans, we decided we were going to go ahead and try to tackle this. So welcome everyone. Let's get into it first. Let's talk about are you guys, have you guys read the book? Have you seen the original movie? Have you seen the updated It movies? Like what, how, how deep into the IT pantheon are you guys? And then we're going to start with you, since since you're my usual Co conspirator when it comes to Stephen King stuff. Well, I, I read it quite a long time ago. So some of the stuff when I see it, I'm like, OK, I, I kind of remember that.

1:32 But there, there's a lot that I don't remember. I did remember watching the original TV series with Tim Curry as Pennywise. Classic, great, great movie. He was great. I do like Skarsgard, however. Tim Curry was just amazing 'cause he was like funny, delightful and then he was terrified. Skarsgard is just terrifying. All the time terrified all. The time, yeah. And you know, and watch the the most recent movies. So I'm, I'm pretty familiar with with what's going on in the show.

2:15 And, you know, I'm a Stephen King person, so I got all this. It's a dark tower. I don't do Dark Tower, OK, That they can see over there. But everything else, yeah, I'm kind of familiar with. So I'm. I'm enjoying it. Yeah. There's a lot to talk about, so. OK, Yeah. OK, while ago my experience, I haven't read, I haven't read the book, but I was present when the show came on in the 90s. I watched it. What did it premiere on the Saturday? No Sunday and then the next day was Monday. Yep, I was there when the movies came out, was there for it, and I'm here for it now.

3:06 I do love Stephen King, but haven't read any of his books except for one, and I still don't remember the name of it. I just remember it was about Prince. I think so, yeah. It was my junior year of high school. Oh, OK. OK. Yeah, I was going to. It was part of ELA class. So that's it. Oh, OK. I'm excited to be here. I'm trying to think. I'm like, I don't think I was ever assigned any Stephen King in in high school. No, not me. Either he was a cool teacher, he was a cool teacher, so I love that class. OK. What about you, Dana? So yeah, I actually 'cause I was obsessed with every Stephen King movie there ever was back when I was a kid.

3:49 And so I watched Tim Curry and of course, that still scars me to this day. I was just telling him, telling y'all a little while ago, like I, I fell asleep on this 'cause I was a little tired trying to rewatch it. I could never fall asleep on Tim Curry 'cause he had me in a chokehold. And then I watched the, the, the two movies, the recent ones with the newer cast when they came out, 'cause I love the story. And so I eventually went ahead and read the book 'cause I was like, you know, I ain't never read this book. And so I, I read it and, and it's, yeah, Stephen King just always so in depth and he's, he feels such a world. But then it's also like so hard to get through some of the bad things that happened, and sometimes it's scarier reading what he wrote than watching the movies and stuff. So yeah, that's my history with it. And that's why I'm not reading the book yet. You also got to get by some of the cultural stuff too. Too.

4:51 Yeah, means have changed. I'm not. I'm not reading it. And I hate clowns so they freaky. Yeah, so I think for me, I, I read it in high school, I think probably either my junior or my senior year and watched the original miniseries when it came out. I'm kind of like everybody else. Tim Curry was like amazing as Pennywise. But also because he has that, he has a little bit of humor to it as well. Like Anthony said, I, I did watch the the newer versions with Bill Skarsgard and it took me, it took me like 2 years before I would even watch it because just watching the previews, I was like, this looks a little scarier than I want it to be.

5:46 And I don't know if I was ready for that. And yeah, his version of Pennywise is terrifying. So yeah, so yeah, I just, yeah, I love the story. I love the the kind of, I don't know, something about Stephen King is like it draws you in and it makes you sit there and watch even though you don't want to. Like you want to sit there and look at this. Like this first episode was bananas from literally from the start to to the end. It was just kind of like, I don't know if I can handle this. And then we're not going to talk about the second episode yet, but I watched the second episode today and I was just like, I don't know if I can do this. It's just it's so much.

6:35 It's so much. But OK, so, so let's let's talk about this because we are in the later part of 1961, early part of 1962. I think when we start out the the episode we are, we're looking at a character named Maddie who has snuck into the theater in Derry and is chased out in those opening since we kind of get a glimpse into some of the characters that we're going to meet throughout this episode. I think one of the things that I do like about this first episode, again, this is 1962, we're in Derry, so we're in a a period of time where equal rights is still not a thing. But you kind of see it in dairy.

7:27 You do see a little bit of the racism of of the 1960s they're dealing with. But you also have some characters in the show who are African American and they appear to be big players that they will be major characters in this particular show. Major handling in particular. We know just from kind of looking at the old lore and everything, he is actually Mike Hanlon's grandfather from the original. It's story. So we do know that that's going to be prominent not just for this story, but for the quote UN quote future. It's story to come. But I like the way that they don't shy away from what the issues are in that particular time. Like you have the one military person who does not want to give handling the the respect that he's deserved due to his ranking.

8:25 And you have the the general who comes in and he was like, hey, we don't play that shit here. You going to show him his respect? I I liked it, but I was like, I feel like this is going to be a thing with the show because even in even in the original, it's even though that takes place in the 80s, we do still see a lot of that racism and a lot of that, you know, that uncomfortableness that they deal with. And I think we were talking about this kind of off screen. But one of the things about Stephen King's works is they do tend to have a lot of racism in it because he also writes a lot of his stories taking place in that time. I don't know if there's a rhyme or reason for that or if it's just to.

9:13 Yeah, I. Don't know. It's it's always the even context. Like you can't write about the 60s and not have that be a part of the story, or at least be in it somehow. Yeah, I know he's definitely been criticized about like his use of the N word and just kind of like how he does, he double downs on the racism, like if it's gonna be racist, it's gonna be racist. And he doesn't hold back. And I know he's been criticized about that and 'cause he it didn't stop in the time back in them days in a lot of his in some of his books. So I think people, you know, still, you know, feel some kind of worry about it.

9:54 But I do think that it is, like you said, gives context because let's just be real. And he ain't living in this small white town and people are just accepting him. That's just not. Yeah, I. Know so it's something that has to be like talked about, it has to be shown. Yeah, yeah. And I think that's one of the things too about, you know, about that uncomfortableness. Yes, there's a lot of it in his stories. And and, you know, we all get a little uncomfortable when we hear the N word coming out of a, a particular, you know, a particular set of people's mouths. But also the fact that he really in his stories is basically saying, look, this shit is unacceptable. Yeah, there are still people out there who, who, who talk like this, who say this, yes, that that is that is definitely the case.

10:47 But I like the fact that he's kind of like, this is not cool, you know? And almost always with his characters, you know, the ones who are overly racist, they always get their comeuppance. And that's another thing I like about. And, and, and I always give him credit for for being a popular mainstream writer who wasn't afraid to make people of color central characters. He he always had a tendency to do that and I always give him credit for that. So it does make sense that he would make the racism kind of over the top because you know, from those characters perspective, that's probably how it would have. Felt how they viewed it.

11:33 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, I mean, I haven't read the book, but is it really over the top racism or was it back then? Could that be realistic? But over the top to us. Yeah. I was going to say that. Yeah, yeah. And maybe even a little bit underneath realism. Yeah, because again, a lot of his stories take place in the Sixties, 70s, early 80s, when that was still kind of prevalent. And then I think we also have to think about the fact that he's writing about stories that are up, up north. They didn't have as much racism up north as it as it was in the South. Like in the South, it was rampant. You know, up north they were a little bit better. There were still some racism there, but I don't think it was as bad as it was in the South.

12:22 But, you know, like Anthony just said, it seems over the top to us because we're not used to or we weren't used to people being that free, saying those types of things and those kind of hostilities and everything. So, yeah, when you read it, especially when you're a younger kid reading it, because like I said, I started reading Stephen King. I think I was like 15 or 16. And it's kind of one of those things where I was like, Oh my God, they let they allowed this in a book. You know, it was just it was kind of a shock back then. But yeah, he he hasn't shield away from it, you know, and I think some people, at least what I've heard older because I haven't I'm gonna be honest, I haven't read most of his newer stuff because for a while I kind of got away from the horror genre.

13:13 But I do know that there have been some complaints about people, like, I mean, from people about like, OK, you know, we get it. This is how things were. This is how people talk. But you don't have to put in all your books. You know, it's just kind of one of those things where it's just like, let's let's try something different. But I don't know if I, I don't know if it bothers me that much because of the fact that it, like you say, it's, it's just it, it's a narrative from the way times were back then. And that's the period of time that he was writing about. I mean, truth be told, it bothers me now in 2025 hearing people say that freely on social media and in the streets than it does in a work of fiction, you know, But OK, we got to talk about this, this, this opening that kind of lets us know, OK, yes, you are definitely in dairy. Because when the when when the show starts out, it's kind of it's kind of chill.

14:18 You know, you have this character Maddie, he seems to be some kind of like almost like a little outcast. He's at a movie theater by himself. He's the only child in a movie that I guess is it. It's not that he's not supposed to be there, but he didn't pay for a ticket to be in there. So he gets chased out by the usher. And, you know, we kind of see his interaction with one of the other kids in the town named Ronnie. Her dad works at the movie theater. He kind of, but hold on. He was Hanukkah, you bypassing. He's in the movie theater. What? What? Who am I bypassing? I'm sorry, the pacifier got me.

15:02 I'm like, wait here, hold on. I was. Don't get to that. I was. Going no, you get a description. And as he sat there with his pacifier mouth while watching the music, man. Yeah, 'cause what I was going to say, it's called it. Welcome to dairy. The reason why it starts out chill, I'm sitting here, it's like, hey, when is the shenanigans going to begin? Then you should have passed away OK. The whole beginning. See the pacifier part, It was it, it came off as weird to me, but I didn't like, I was just kind of like, OK, that's some kind of emotional crutch. I'm, I'm sitting here looking at him. You know, this is a kid who is sitting in the theater when he's hiding and, you know, Ronnie's father's talking to the usher. He was like, yo, man, you know, you know what his family is like, just leave the kid alone.

15:54 And this is when you kind of get an idea that something's not all that right with his family and then. Yeah, but but you know the shenanigans. You know the shenanigans are coming. But the shenanigans haven't started yet. That's. The thing. But you knew. You knew it was. Coming, This is chill compared to what happens in the next scene. That's all I'm saying. It was chill. This is about a kid who just basically snuck into a movie. He was hiding. And then it's like you kind of look at this kid. Like I said, he he seems like he might be a little bit of an outcast. You already get a hint that there's something not right with his family life. The kid has a he has a bruised eye, like someone punched him in the face. He's sucking on a pacifier as a as a means of comfort. I get it.

16:39 It's just like the little kid in the raincoat want to play with his brother boat floating down the street. Oh, it's so nice. And. Innocent. Right. Up until the next. Don't you? Don't you see the parallels? I do. But what I'm saying is if, if we didn't know that this was welcome to Dairy, if we didn't know this was a It story, if they had just started it that way in the movie theater, you would think, OK, this is just about a delinquent child. You wouldn't think any of the horror stuff. But clearly, clearly, clearly. It.

17:22 Welcome to dairy. They didn't try to fool you or fake you or anything. I know, but. And they started out just like with the boy wanting to play with his brother with a sailboat outside in the. Rain. It's so. Compared to what? Oh, yeah. Just like the boy gets his arm ripped off. Only because I'm watching it. Because, you know, Michelle watched. Yeah, she watched it chapter 1 and I was watching like man, that's like a 5 year old and we just sitting here watch his arm get eaten off. Yeah, yeah. That's.

18:02 The good thing about Stephen King also that is like he don't. Yeah, so watching. So watching this little boy sitting in the theater with the pacifier, I'm sitting here waiting, OK? It's coming, it's coming, it's coming, it's coming, it's coming. And how bad is coming? We don't know. But it's coming because you knew you were on your seat like. And that's the thing, because it was so, like I said, it was so chill at the beginning. And then when it was just basically about him getting chased out the theater, I was like, OK, they're going to drag this out. They're going to make us wait for it. No, I was wrong. Oh, no, I didn't think they were going to make us wait. That's why I said I was on edge when he was in the movie theater. That's why you saying chill, That one chill.

18:44 And he's smacking on the pacifier. I'm like, oh, this boy about to go. He is about to go. How he's going, I don't know. I'm scared. I'm sorry. I'm skipping, I'm skipping the head. So he hijacking, right? I'm like, wait, when? When did what 11 year olds? OK, no Jack hitchhiking. Hitchhiking. I'm sorry. That was the thing that set me on edge when I saw him walking and he's he's. A daughter, he's gone. Here we go. But then. But then he gets picked. When? When did you realize that family wasn't right? I was scared from the beginning, just because it was it. I was scared me. Too. So when they when they picked them up and they were all nice and stuff and they were like, where are you going?

19:28 He said. Anywhere but Darren, they were like, well we're going to Portland. I was like get the fuck out the car now. Because most people be like, no, we're going to take you home. Your family is going to miss you. And I said, oh, this boy is going to die horribly. This is the other. Thing we got to think about this is the 60s. They did that shit back then. I mean, if you think about all of the old TV shows we've watched where kids are hijacked, I mean when they are hitchhiking and stuff, they're all younger kids, they're all getting in like trucks and all this other stuff. But we're not questioning them not staying. Where is your. Parents, it was it was the family because typically a family picking up a kid is going to get them home. He was a single man in a truck.

20:19 Sure, he'd be like where you want to go, I'll take you. I understand you got to run away from life, but not a family with a pregnant mother and we didn't. Even know she was pregnant until he had her stomach. He did hit her. Summer he did hit the summer, but I thought we saw that she was pregnant it. Was great. You didn't see it until until he was trying to grab the steering wheel and the father knocked him off and he hit her in the stomach. That's when we realized she was pregnant. OK. But it's still that he knocked her up after he she makes the other kids spell vasectomy, but she they don't pan to her belly. At that point, it doesn't matter. She had two kids in the backseat. They got picnic baskets and stuff in suitcases.

21:01 They're nice families, so they should have been like, let's take you home. No, the moment they did it first. Where do you live? Yeah, the moment they picked him up and they were like, OK, so we got you in here, you walk Where? Where? Where? Where are you going? And he was like anywhere but there. They're like where we're going to Portland. I was like, first of all, y'all are in Derry, Maine. It don't matter if you going to Portland. What? What is the other Portland? That's near Portland, NY. Or something is in Maine. I think it's Portland. Maine OK, so I was like y'all just going to go to a whole nother city and and take the child with you don't ask any other questions like and you know, I'm sitting here again, this is it.

21:44 So we know some fuckery is about to go on, but I'm sitting here trying to think, OK, what would make a a quote UN quote normal family, not question that. Maybe it was the fact that he had the black eye. Maybe they were looking at that like, OK, this is a kid that clearly needs to get away from his his situation. Maybe we'll just take him a little while, you know, take him a little far away and then we'll we'll make a phone call or something. I was like, you know what? This is not going to end well at all. So then things start getting really weird because you have the older sister that's in the back seat and she clearly doesn't want this kid in the car, or at least that's the way she's acting.

22:25 You have the little brother who is apparently like, spelling. So he just starts randomly spelling stuff. And then the parents start getting into these weird conversations and it's like, OK, what was it? The little girl said something about she she said something nasty to the brother and the mom says be nice. And she was like I can, but I am nice when I want to be and she's like, there's my little harlot can't keep those legs closed. If she tried. I was like, oh, that took a turn real fast. Right. Yeah, but go back to the sister in the liver.

23:06 Yeah. I was like, dude, if you don't get the fuck out this car, like just open the door. Tuck, Tuck. I mean she is sniffing. I hate liver wet. That didn't help. Not. Cooked just wet raw liver. Yeah, I. Was like, yeah, I was. Like you know what I'm doing the. Visual of her doing that because. Well, they they picked the. Food. I would have taken the penalty and just opened the door. That's why I'm. Saying tuck and roll, tuck and roll, you know? What they picked the food they knew children would hate the most. And it was like, let's let's play with this. I'm like. But then like this little kid, this poor little kid, which if anything, if this, if this thing doesn't teach you anything else, it teaches you don't get into the car with strangers. Even if it's a family, even if they don't do. Not get into the car with strangers because this family went from seeming normal to psychotic in the span of 10 seconds.

24:20 And this boy is sitting here just watching this and I'm like, dude, get out the car already. But again, he's a kid. He's probably in shock. He's probably scared. So he's probably not thinking like, oh, I need to like his fight, flight or what is it? His fight or flight response was not working properly at the time. He's just sitting there looking at the way all of this is unfolding. And by the time he realizes they're crazy is when they start. You know, the mom starts saying, oh, yeah, we can spell these words. Spell vasectomy. What does she say? Spell vasectomy. Spell cadaver smell. Spell kidnapping. And then it was necrosis. Yeah, like all this trouble.

25:02 I'm like. What is that so oh, and then when she said something about stabbing, that's when he's trying to get out the car. There's a gas station. You can let me out, bro. You already. It's already to they they've already said necrosis cadaver like you're you're done. You're done. Yeah. So it's out, out, right? And then out and then they're all doing out, they're all spelling out. And then he tries to grab the the steering wheel for the from the dad and dad is like, Oh no, I got this and knocks him off. Like we said, he hits her in her stomach and that's when we realize she's fully pregnant then. No, then then they pan to the the little boy and he got the eyes like Pennywise and Pennywise eyes. So they found they found the key. Actually, who could do it?

25:53 Listen. Yeah, you're done. Are you talking about the eyes? That's going direction. So. Creepy listen. You know, when that kid walked into the audition, all he had to do was that, and they were like, you got the job. Yeah, right. You're hired. You're hired. But then she goes into labor and. I'm sorry, I have to say this, I'm sorry. We were eating dinner and we just eat dinner and we watching this and when they get to the out and some definitely came out. Anthony was like, I'm done and I'm staying like.

26:37 She's still. Eating. I'm still eating like this is so this is so hot. I have so many friends who talked about the fact that they were actually eating dinner when that scene came on and I'm like OK first of all what made y'all think that you could watch something based on it while you are eating like. There's love. Away in hell. See, I can deal with an arm being bitten off, but a live birth? And that kind of birth. And sorry, that stuff never ends. So I just kept on going and she's still I. Just take my feet. I said, and it's so crazy because she's got she's got the she's got her underwear on and you can see the head trying to push out of the underwear and she actually has to move. I was just like, this is way more than I was expecting the Washington.

27:36 But she had she has this, this, this baby. And everybody kind of stops in the car and it's quiet. Even even little Maddie is in the back trying to figure out what the hell just happened because he's like, oh, she just gave birth to a baby. I don't think he was thinking that what came out of this woman was gonna be when it came out. But the let me tell you, I've seen a lot of horror. I've seen a lot of monsters. Nothing prepared me for that fucking demon baby. And the crazy thing was I I got spoiled about the demon baby because literally if you did not watch this show on the first night, they had spoilers like 3-4 hours later on the official Facebook page.

28:29 So literally I'm scrolling through Facebook and I see a video and it's that baby's face right in the thing. I was like Nope. This is why I no because. Why they do that? That's so insane to me. But when I saw that's OK, Nope. This lets me know I do not need to watch this before I go to bed. I need to give it a day. I need to wait. Because that is the thing of nightmares. I can't. Like I've seen demon babies. I've seen like I never ever like, I mean, I'm fully expecting someone to come to Dragon Con with one of those next year of. Course, of course.

29:13 And they're twins. Listen, it's just that one twin is absorbing the other twin with one wing. The the stuff of nightmares. And then that thing starts. She's like, oh, my precious little beautiful baby, don't meet the rest of your family. And this thing starts splitting all around the car, still attached by the umbilical cord. I was y'all. I don't consider myself no punk. I don't consider myself weak. That fucking baby. No, no. And then we had to see that.

29:56 Thing not once but twice in the episode, we get it at the very beginning and we get it at the very end. But what what's my favorite part though, is he was like, let me get my pacifier and when I suck on this, it's going to disappear. Yeah, but then when he does that, everyone stops and turn, even the baby. Rex, are you serious right here? Like you got a fast. Back right and then you're. Ignoring what's happening in this car. OK, I got you. And the baby, yeah, the baby was like, oh, I got you. Ignore it because the next thing we know, we we hear rather than see the baby, I guess attack him and you see the pacifier going floating out of the car into the sewers and then you see the light from under the sewers and then we get the title car.

30:43 But I was like, you know, what if y'all starting out this, this series with this type of Bush, I'm just, I don't know if I'm, I don't know if I'm like prepared to deal with the amount of fuckery we're going to get from this show. That was the first 5 minutes. Yeah. And what is, what is the? I just need to know like, and that's probably going to come later, but like the significance of this baby being a baby, like why did we choose a baby? It's because it was it because the kid was a baby.

31:25 And it's like he. Was a no, he's he's it is waking up. It's. Just kind of. Like a rebirth because it's 27 years later, so it's like a rebirth. Yeah, it's, it's in his, it's in his birthing stages. It's it's waking up, it's coming out of hibernation. So it's starting, starting kind of small. And then using and then also using the fear because at this time it because even on the radio they were talking about bombs and things being mutated, mutated and stuff. So that was like a fear at that time for people. Yeah, and we know about. Bombs and mutation and yeah, so.

32:07 What year did they say this was, 1960? It should be not even December 1961 or January 1962, because when we start, when we start the next scene with Phil on top of the tower looking at the airplanes, the date says April. What was it? Four months later, April 1962? I. Think it was January because later in the episode there was fireworks from New Year's and Maddie was alive. OK, Yeah, yeah, OK. But it's still holiday season 'cause they still had like the Christmas tree at the movie theater, but with everyone, you know, still has that up till New year. So yeah. And all of this is right before the Cuban Missile Crisis. That's what I was just about to ask. It's just cause of the.

32:51 Yeah, that's what I was about to ask. Yeah. So that's what is a. Big thing, yeah. Yeah, but yeah, so. So that's the way they decided to start off this series with, with the demon baby and the disappearance of this this Maddie Clements kid. So yeah, I, I can't say anything else about this baby yet because we got to, we got to save it for the the end of the the episode. But so at this point, four months later, Maddie's missing. We get to meet some of his friends. And this is, you know, I say this and I don't know if this is just kids in the 60s.

33:35 I don't know if this is just the way white kids interact. I I just don't know. But it's like the the way that his so-called friends were, not really. Friends. Yeah. Because they wasn't his friends. That's what Theo was saying. He was feeling guilty because he knew that they weren't really his friend. Teddy was trying to make it more. Phil is like we wasn't his friends. His Mama asked us to come to his birthday party and gave us candy, paid us to come to his birthday right? So they wasn't his.

34:15 Friends to pay us money. Well, it was candy. It was candy, so you know what I'm saying? So it wasn't his friends. Bill and Teddy are friends. They ride or die, but. But you know, it's, it is kind of sad though, because. Maybe. People who we not friends with, who we kind of deal with just for whatever the reason is just, you know, so they won't be lonely at Dragon Con or whatever we do. We just kind of bring people just because you were nice and we just want people to not feel alone. If that person got killed, I don't know you, will you? Not really my friend, but I would be, I would feel some kind of way if you just up and got murdered and and, you know, even if we weren't friends, I would still feel so I get why the other little boy also feels guilty because I would feel that way too, like I wasn't really trying to be their friend.

35:05 But this is very sad, you know? Right. What I could have done something to kind of not have him go missing or something, you know, maybe if we involved him more. Right, right. Yeah. He has somebody to kind of like confide in or you know. Yeah, but it I was just like, OK, so. So these are the two friends who and, and I guess I kind of got the idea that maybe Teddy probably considered himself a friend more than Phil does, because Teddy was the one who was like, look, he's missing. He was, he was the one that was like. Four months. No, no, Teddy was just feeling guilty. Teddy is exactly what Nina said. Like, you know what?

35:46 Oh man, we, we, we could have been his friend, you know, maybe. We found out later they only took him up to the The Hideout 1. One time, one time and he acted maybe act like this, this is his, you know, homeboys and stuff like this, so. I mean, who was going to question him? Nobody wasn't going to know because. Yeah, because let me say that that whole again. I'm going to not just those friends, but just the friend groups and the friend clicks all together in the show. Like Marge does not seem like she is a good friend to Lily to me. She's one of those kids who was trying to get in with the popular girls.

36:33 And like all these kids have have their different little issues. Like, you know, Teddy is, he's a Jewish kid who, I don't know, his family dynamic was really weird because you have him, you have the brother, you have his parents. And the parents come off kind of, I don't know, they're like very quiet and cordial. And then he says the one little thing to his dad. What was it that he asked his dad? Oh. Can, can, Can you imagine someone keeping, so can someone keep someone in in a sewer?

37:13 Yeah, for that long? And he's like, dude. Dad just explodes. First of all, I have two things to say. First about the parents and the adults. We kind of have to take it all with a grain of salt because they are being influenced by it. So you know their their mood swings and how they act is not always going to be normal. OK. And and #2 and #2 is a side note. I know all three y'all and I know all three y'all were popular kids. I was not a popular kid. So some of this stuff triggered me a little bit. But but yeah, I, I, I I I pushed through the and 3rd.

37:57 Of all I was. Not the popular kid I was just one of. Those kids, whatever, you knew everybody. Yeah, but yeah, yeah. And the sad part is, let's have a side note. She's going to say she she knows all the people that actually means you were popular. See that I learned that. No, no, I learned that because I did the same thing like about clicks and popular and people were like, Oh, you're in the click, You're popular even at work. And I'm like, we're not in the click and no one's popular. What are you talking about? And then I saw it. And then I realized, Oh, that's what they mean. So when you popular and stuff, you don't think you popular let you popular. Sorry.

38:38 Yeah. No, I definitely wasn't popular, but I went to so many schools that I had that that filtered into the one school. I knew everybody because I knew them from elementary, from this school and. That's and I think that that's kind of more but as well. Yeah, but you know, that's a part under popular. I ain't mean to start nothing. I'm just letting y'all know that as the as the one person who really wasn't, I'm telling the three of you, y'all are all popular. Even to this day, y'all are still the popular kids. That's all I'm going to say and. We were and we. Were to disagree. Right. And because and because we were popular in there, because I, I, we had this discussion, we were popular in a way because you did know all the groups and you could go into different groups and know what is happening and they know who you are, correct.

39:32 OK, you see what I'm saying? So you're like, well, I wasn't popular, but you know, this group of people knew you, this group of people knew you. This group of people knew you. This group of people knew you. This group of people knew. You and I think I think what's what's kind of happened over the years is it has a negative connotation and it's not necessarily a bad thing to to have them popular, is it that a lot of media has made it, you know, like Heather's and, you know, all these other movies and shows make popular not be a good thing and. I I don't. Think it wasn't? Necessarily that I think for, for me, my, my definition of popular is, you know, I guess like the standard social definition of, oh, you know, the head cheerleader, the football person, the homecoming queen, like the people who are like status wise.

40:28 You know what I'm saying? I think that's what I look at when I think popular. And then that's why I was like, I'm like, no, I wasn't popular like that. I wasn't one. Of the people. But if you ask rich kids, If you ask one of the rich kids, do you know Hanukkah? Yeah, I do. If you ask another person who was top of their food chain, they'll know who you are. So not that you you weren't the leader of those groups. You got popular in the school that everyone knew who you were. And see, that's how I was. Like people just knew who I was. So you weren't, you weren't Patty, but you were one of Patty's friends. No, I wouldn't even say that, no. No, no. I. Was making a joke. No, no, not. At. All because the Patty.

41:08 The Patty cakes are interesting. Let me say, OK, so, yeah, so getting getting back to the show, but these these friends and these friend groups, because it's like, and I guess that's the one thing that I didn't see a lot of in high school because like you have you have Marge, right? And she's friends with Lily, who apparently has gone through some trauma. This is a girl whose father I, I don't even like. Even when they explained what happened, I was like, but how? So apparently her father worked at the at the pickling plant. She went to visit him at work One day. She left behind something, a mood ring or something that she had gotten.

41:51 She wanted it. So Dad went back to go get it for her and somehow found himself getting caught up in the machinery. He was helping so another, another person's machinery was getting messed up. He thought he turned the power off before he went in to unclog it or whatever. And he didn't turn off the power or it or somebody might have been somehow and it started running while he was inside the machinery and then they he got, you know. He got he he basically got dismembered and his body parts ended up in pickle jars. And let me just tell you as a pickle girl. Well, they they said that was they said that was a rumor that his parts was in pickle jars all over the place.

42:37 But I think it was just in the plant. Yeah, I, well, I think they probably ended up in the jars because if the machine was on and that's what the machine does, that's probably what happened. I don't think the jars actually made it out. No, that that's what they're saying. It was a rumor that people were finding parts of him in other places. Yeah, I, I don't, I would hope that the quality control in that place would be a little bit better to. They would have to clean that whole I mean, you know, back in the day, way back in the day before clean that up they. Get 1000. Pieces of him and they pick. Could be a finger, you know, months later you'd be like, oh, I thought we got that. Box of jars. My bad.

43:18 Yeah, yeah. But apparently her trauma was so great with this that they stuck her in an insane asylum for treatment because she felt it was her guilt. She felt guilty. Yeah. But so anyway, normal. I don't even want to say normal. Regular idiotic kids. They, they use this as a means to bully her because she comes to school and opens up her locker and there's a, a, a jar of Pickles that's stuffed in her locker and it falls down. Of course, she splashed with little juice and everything. So you got Marge, her friend, coming over and being like really nice and being encouraging, but at the same time see her trying to appeal to this group of popular kids. And I was just like, this is not going. This is not going to end up the way it's supposed to end up. Like this is not going to work the way you want it to work. You're trying to be friends with the literal social outcast of the school, but you also want to be in with the popular girls. One of those one of those friendships is going to suffer. And I don't think it's going to be the popular girls. So I just already don't really care about this March girl. And then Phil, like you said, basically Phil is like, look, we, we we got paid to go to this dude's birthday party, but we're not his friend.

44:39 Yeah, he disappeared. Oh, it's sad, but life goes on. Let's talk about these conspiracy theories. Just just like his conspiracy. Theories have me crying. Listen, and, and, and the crazy thing is when everything starts coming together, when Lily seeks out those guys because of course, at in her mind, she thinks that they're his friends because this is again, like you said, this is what he has LED her to believe that these are his friends. So when she goes to them after the stuff happens to her, she she starts hearing the voices in the pipes and then she sees a bloody finger come out of the bathtub, you know, the hole in the bathtub. And she goes to his friends to say, Hey, we need to figure out what happened to him.

45:27 I'm hearing his voice this than other the one person who was like, oh, you're crazy. No, this can't happen. Dude. You are literally Mr. Conspiracy Theorist. You were talking about all this stuff and that's what Teddy says. Then he was like, dude, you have told me what 50 million ways that aliens have infiltrated the the earth and of a voice coming out of the pipes is impossible to you? Like what? That's what I said. That's why I did too. I was like, come on. Right, you know, aliens, everything aliens on the on the base, right, right, but you know it's. No different from what real people do.

46:07 Yeah. They do that in in real life, they can talk about all this stuff and then you get this one little thing that's actually got a possibility or there's some kind of grain of truth or you got some shred of evidence. They're like, no, that can't exist. What? Well that's what always bother me about shows like like True Blood. Y'all got vampires, They can't be fairy where will oh this can't be that can't be you're living. With vampires, yeah, but you know what, it sneaks up on you because I thought the same way when we were do with Outlander and we doing time travel and then Jamie, you know, I'm sorry, spoiler alert. He start having, you know, I don't know, visions. And I was she knows.

46:52 And I was like, how we having visions? Where'd that come from? And I'm like, Michelle, we watching time travel. Why can't we have visions too, right. And then I was like, oh, OK. Something. I was like, oh, OK, but at first I did the same thing, like that can't be real. She. Really did I was like in time traveling 200. Right. So I was like, OK, I'm sorry, we're in time travel, no problem. So he should be like thinking it's part of the aliens. He could have chucked that up to say it was aliens instead of saying oh it's nothing. Right. And if if I remember correctly it is aliens, right? Or was the.

47:36 No. The original In the original story, wasn't it like something having to do with the alien or or? It is, yeah. He is an alien, Yeah, no matter what, he's an alien. But so see feel right. You had your chance and you threw it away, right? Right. But it's just when all of this stuff starts happening. So Lily hears the voice in the, you know, in the tub and she goes to them and, you know, the the show kind of shows a little bit of the the background with her and Maddie again, Maddie invites her to the tower. Just kind of like trying to get close to her and being a friend to her because of what happened, you know, I guess. And one thing about him, he knows what it's like to be an outcast.

48:24 He knows what it's like to be kind of alone. And he was reaching out to her as a friend, which I thought was really sweet. But then of course, he tries to take it to another level and tries to kiss her and she's like, we're friends. I don't. I don't. Want this. He got friend zone real quick. Real quick. I've never seen a friend zone that fast in my life. Oh yeah, I have, yeah. But I mean but. It it was one of those things where it's like, I don't, I don't think she did it to be mean and I don't think that she. No, no. Oh no. Even been opposed to that idea if she had had more time to think about it, but it was like literally it was so sudden.

49:05 And this especially if you are a person who is used to being by herself, who is not used to being friends with anybody or having friends, especially male friends, for someone to just all of a sudden come at you like that. She was probably like, yeah, no, I don't, I don't know what to do with this. Let's, as Anthony says, let's put a bookmark right here. And yeah, maybe we might try to do, we might look at that later. But of course, they really didn't have a chance to explore that because I think within like a couple of days this, you know, is when he actually disappeared. But you know, she takes her her experience and what happens to her in the tub to to Teddy and to Phil and then.

49:54 They start to do research. They're like, OK, well, let's go check this out. They go to the library and they're looking at microfilm. I was like, oh, wait, wait, wait, hold on, let's go back, 'cause when she when she first tells them, wait a second, OK, I'm out of order. Nevermind, keep going. No. What were you? Oh, what? Were you going to say no? I didn't realize no, because I was thinking, did they go? Did they go to, did he go to his parents first? Did he go to the library? I want to say something about the parents. I think they went. I have it on right now, but I just don't remember what came next. Oh yeah, I don't. Oh, you know what?

50:36 Like my brain, I really don't know what came next and I just had. It on and I don't remember. I got to, I got to remember because she OK, so she had that experience and then Teddy has an experience of his. Oh wait, Oh yeah, 'cause she has experience. That's when she pulls them and tells them feel is like this is unbelievable. And that's when Teddy 'cause we talked about it. Teddy asked his family and and now I wanted to get to that. Cause the thing about it, I guess, is Dad has talked about their past. And when he brought it up about under the sewer, I think he snapped because it was almost like, have you not been listening to the stories we've been telling you?

51:18 Yeah. And and that could happen because this has been the worst things that has happened to us. Have you ticked like, come on. Yeah, Benny, have you been paying? Attention asked him about that. And when dad starts telling him about what happened to, you know, their Jewish ancestors, you know, our ancestors were put in concentration camps. You know, their skins were made, used to make lamp shades. He was like horrors. Like he was. Like, yeah, we, we, we've dealt with horrors like this before. It was recent, more recent than ancestors because I think the dad was like, we escaped from like I think it was recent. Oh.

52:00 Yeah, 19, Yeah. Yeah, it was. Recent memory for him, Yeah. And side note, Michelle was watching Monster about Ed Gein and and the the woman who was making the lampshades out of their skin is what inspired him to do the same thing. And so when I saw the lampshade rolling around, it made me think of Ed Gein again. But, but yeah, but, but I can understand. I know they're being influenced a little bit by it, but I can see how that was just like. That would be that would be because we have told, right? We have told our kids what we came from. And then you asked me a ridiculous question. Can someone be in the store?

52:49 Yeah, yeah. I think the thing with that is they have to realize like when when kids hear about horrible things, it's just the story to them. It doesn't have any tangibility for them. Just like nowadays when kids hear about 911 and, and the things that we witnessed that day, the things we saw on TV, seeing the buildings come down, seeing people jumping from the top of a skyscraper, that's just a story to them. It's kind of like, OK, I know it happened, but to them it's like it's, I guess it's kind of like it's not a reality to them yet once they see it, like once they watch the archival footage or something like that. Like even my daughters, my daughters were very young when 911 happened and they remember kind of bits and pieces of it, but they never really watched any of the footage online because they were still like really, really young. And recently my oldest daughter saw, I think it was some kind of documentary or something, and she was like, I forgot how bad it was.

53:58 You know, it's like, you hear about those things, but then when you actually see those things, it's something different. So it's like, I understand why his dad went off on him because he was like, yeah, we know about these kinds of horrors. We know about people being stolen and not making it out and this, that and other. So I can understand why he was upset with Teddy. But Teddy, again, at his age, he just doesn't get it. Until it's something personal like a semi friend acquaintance being in the sewer. I mean honestly, that's it. And then, but then you put it in his head and then then we have because that was, that would be horrifying to have that layup next. To you, I was horrified.

54:43 That wasn't even. There, right? And then it's rolling towards you. Listen. And like, I'm like, I'm done. And the the mouth is moving like I was like, I don't know who dreams up this stuff. Y'all need to go to therapy. They need to go to therapy because that and, and the way that the the dad was kind of going off about it, he was like, yeah, you need to get your head out of comic books. I was like, I've read comic books before. I had never had that shit happen in my life. So. And, and that's the thing. Teddy is sitting there, he's reading his comic books and the light keeps flickering out. So he keeps reaching over. And when I saw the lamp, I said, oh, this is not going to be good. Like, I didn't think it was going to do what it did. I just thought maybe there was going to be a jump scare or something like that.

55:33 When he turned around and saw the faces in the lamp shade and he literally, he jumps off the bed and he he runs and highs up under his desk and then the lamp shade starts rolling towards him. I was like, you know what? I don't know if I'm gonna make it through this episode. Like y'all already show me a demon baby. Y'all have show me a a finger. A finger coming out of the bathtub drain. Which that shouldn't have been surprising to me, because it's the same thing Beverly had to deal with. So like that, yeah. Yeah. So that wasn't bad. I'm sorry that was bad, but the. Finger coming out and just kind of like searching around like hey.

56:19 It was more the. He won't let me that freak me out. I was like, Oh no, Oh no, we, we will not. And. I'm more terrified of the lamp. I was like Oh my God, and and and and it got him so bad that when you telling your friends, you throwing up, right? Right, but but this is the thing that makes them go back to Lily, because when Lily came to them and said, Hey, I heard voices coming out of my bathtub. There was like, no, I don't think that's right. You're you're a little crazy anyway, So you know, she leaves. But then now, of course, now you, you've seen, you know, faces in your lamp say, oh, you know what?

57:01 I'm ready to believe. I was like, you know what? No, but but what I love about Phil and Teddy is that's why they ride or die because Teddy, the way Teddy is, Phil was like, he ain't making this shit up. He ain't making it up. So if he. Says that this happened to him. I believe it. We should be scared. Yeah. Yeah. And I love that he didn't say I'm still. I still don't know. These are alias no? He was like if my friend said it. Literally sitting here throwing up his guts. Like my friend said, he's all this. Waterfalling. I was like, Oh my. God like, Oh yeah, but you know what, I would be too.

57:42 And I would not behind that. I would. I would be right there throwing up my guts and and it'll be OK. Y'all can believe, y'all can think what you want, but this is what I saw at this point. That's when they decide, OK, we got to research this. We got to see if this has happened again. They go to the library and they start looking it up and, you know, they, they decide to go to the House of the girl who worked in the movie theater because the the newspaper article says that this is the last place that he was, That was the last place he was seen before he disappeared. Because again, at this point, they don't have a body. They're just presuming that he's dead because it's been four months. No one is saying hide, hide nor hair. This kid.

58:27 I mean, I think it's kind of premature to assume death, especially you don't have any blood. You don't have anybody. This kid was obviously hitchhiking. I'm sure the first person who drove past him probably told the police, yeah, this kid was hitchhiking. You know, he could have been a runaway. He could have been whatever, but this is dairy. I guess they they. Well, that's the other thing that made me mad is because the man who was chasing this kid all over the theater and nobody noticed that he was chasing this poor kid, how he chased them out onto the street, but all of a sudden it's like. It's the black dude. Why wasn't he the one that they looked at and said, well, you were chasing him? Yeah. Do you really have to?

59:09 I know, I'm just saying it, OK? So at first, yeah, but I will say this to the I mean, the whole fact that they went to Ronnie's house and she was the one who let them in the theater when all of the shit like really broke loose. How was no how was nowhere near there. So it's kind of like, OK, you you went to the black kids house. She was the one who let y'all in and then all this stuff happened. But. But the first kid, but Maddie though, he they really should have asked the boy who was chasing him, because you, you continue to chase him. Yeah, when we said leave the kid. Alone. So yeah, but I guess they wanted to go ask the person who was closer to their age because again, you are you are children and you're talking about things that most adults are not going to believe you.

59:59 So you don't want to go to somebody who's even a semi adult? Oh, no, I think she, I think she means the police, like when they were investigating, they should have gone to that guy because he had the biggest problem with the kid. Yeah, and when he was missing on he went missing. That was July 4th, I mean, not July 4th, January. 4th OK Was that the date on the newspaper article? OK OK. But yeah. So when they go to Ronnie and they asked her about it and she was like why y'all coming to me? She was like, I already told the police. She was like, yeah, y'all already know. They they've been asking my dad questions. There's suspicion. She was like get away from my house. So as they're leaving, they're talking amongst each other. And they said, see, we told you was stupid. Nobody's going to believe the story about hearing you hear and singing through the pipes.

1:00:48 And Ronnie hears this and she was like, hold. Up. Hold up. And they were like, what, did you hear this too? She was like, yeah. So then they start talking. They realize the song is from Music Man, which is what Maddie was watching in the movie theater the night he disappeared. So they decide they're going to go to the movie theater and they're going to watch the the movie. And they're like, OK, maybe something in the song is going to give us a clue. Something. In the song. So I was reading an article today was talking about how this particular episode seem like it borrowed a lot from Stranger Things and then it went completely the opposite direction of Stranger Things because, you know, Stranger Things was also the same. You have a a boy who went missing, you have his group of friends who are trying to find him and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

1:01:51 So they go to the movie theater. She starts playing the movie. Now she's up in the projector booth. The other kids are down here and it's it's Teddy. It's Phil, Phil's little sister Susie, because he stuck babysitting. And then Lily. So they're all sitting there in a row. They're watching the movie. And it comes to the scene where there's like this, there's this speech being made. And at first, when I heard the speech, I was like, oh, this kind of sounds like grown-ups talking about children because it's like, yeah, you need to keep an eye on your children. Is your child doing this? When when they leave your house, are they doing this? And he was saying a whole bunch of stuff that's outdated. So I'm not even going to try to repeat what he said. But, you know, it was one of those things where it's like parents talking to their children. Yeah, your children are doing things that that you don't know about when they're not around you. And I was like, OK, so in the midst of this scene, all of a sudden you see Maddie in the middle holding a bundle that looks like a baby.

1:02:54 And am I am I misremembering this that the bundle was yellow? Yes, OK, it was yellow. Yellow. Kind of like Georgie's raincoat. Right. Yeah, he's yellow, and the family that was in the car is behind him. Oh, that I didn't notice. Yeah, they're they're in the crowd. Yeah, right behind him. So of course, the kids are all sitting here looking, and they're like, oh, my God, that's Maddie. How is he on the screen? And Maddie appears to hear him hear them. So they start calling out to him. Maddie, hey, we're, we're trying to help you. We're gonna help you. Come on, come on, come on. Let me tell you, he starts. He starts telling them, yeah, you know, I'm missing. I'm here and it's all your fault. And he starts going off on them basically like, Oh yeah, you guys were shitty friends, that sort of thing. I'm, that's the reason why I'm here, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

1:03:51 He looks down and he looks up and he has the Pennywise grin on his face. And I was just like, OK, so this is definitely a Pennywise origin story. OK. Then the shit starts because the little bundle that Maddie is holding opens up and it's the demon baby, and the demon baby comes through the screen into the movie theater. Now, if you ask me, they didn't get up fast enough. No, that's why I would have left when I seen Maddie in. The screen why?

1:04:42 Why are? We still sitting here. It's fine. We can't save them by sin, sorry. The moment he showed up on the screen and he was holding something, I would have just been like easing myself backwards. And then you think Ronnie is safe because Ronnie is up in the projector screen. Hey, Ronnie, you can turn it off now. We know. We know where Mattie is. Listen, but the fact that this demon baby comes out of the screen, literally starts attacking them. They're running.

1:05:25 They're going this direction. That direction, I think was it Lily? Lily kind of freezes in place. She's still sitting in the chair. No Hanukkah. Hanukkah. It's screen sized. It's it's the size it was on the screen is huge. It's like 6 feet tall. It is dynamous, yeah, horrible, but like. Lily. Yeah, Lily. Lily. Lily is stuck. She is, she is scared. She is stuck in her seat. And I'm going to be honest, that is probably, I'm going to say that's one of two things that probably saved her because she wasn't running. So the the the demon baby was literally chasing everybody else who was running.

1:06:13 OK, it got Teddy, it got feel it it it tore one of them like. Let's start in half as we watching this and I said, oh this is this is you know creepy. They bout to get up and run out and have to figure out like what is happening until rest in peace. Teddy is the first OK? Oh my God. Teddy is tossed in the air and then ripped apart. At that moment in time I knew that they all had been effed up and this is not the losers club for this season. And I really like Teddy.

1:06:59 He's actually my favorite. I like. Seal. Teddy was mine. Phil was an asshole, but he didn't deserve to go out the way he did. Because not his sister too. Teddy gets ripped apart, Phil gets his face smushed into the projector room window and then just drops. Lily finally gets out of her seat and she hides on the ground and she sees Susie and she tells Susie. Now this is the thing that got me. You're literally screaming, Susie. Yeah. Bitch, you can't whisper. Why are you telling her to come under the seats to you? Why don't you go to her? She's a child, she's a baby.

1:07:43 You go save her. You look, you know what, in this scenario, I I can't say that I'm going to be the one that's going to be the hero. You have to come to me. And I'm I'm saying that thing has not paid me no attention right now. You need to come to me. But Lily tries to get to her. She has her arm extended and then all of a sudden here goes the demon baby and he's looking at Lily. So I'm thinking Lily is about to die. Ronnie finds a way to get out of the projector room. She finds a little, I think it's like she gets the little hatchet out of the emergency, the emergency break glass in case of emergency thing or something.

1:08:26 And she you know, she gets she she knocks out the window, she gets out, she comes downstairs, she gets Lily. They run out, they close the doors and they kind of lock the door and they're sitting there looking at each other trying to figure out what's going on. Because Ronnie, I think she saw what was going on, but I don't think her mind processed what was going on. Because when Lily tells her they're all dead, Ronnie's like, what the fuck are you talking about? They're all dead. They're all dead. And then Lily happens to realize she has something in her hand. She looks down and brings her arm up and she's got the front part of Susie's hand and that's all she has. So of course she let us scream.

1:09:13 And I was just like, wow, y'all just killed two of the main characters, or technically three if you count Maddie, because I'm sure Maddie is going to be a main character throughout the season. I'm sure we're probably going to get some flashbacks, whatever. But it was just like, what? What? What scene are y'all looking at in the background? Because Michelle's face is like intense right now. This. Is Ronnie coming in with the hammer and she's getting Lily and the demon baby is getting up and they take off running? Let me tell you. Yeah, well. She did that lift up and she was holding that child's hand. I said that baby that was 46 or seven years old. Right, right. That's what she buy the lift up now. Yeah, I'm on the I'm on.

1:09:57 The and blood everywhere I. Know we don't live with the children, you know, even though we know that's it's like MO go through the children. Yeah. It was crazy because it's like you're expecting some violence from this story. You're expecting it's Pennywise. It's it. We we're familiar with it. We know what happens. Yeah. But the way that it started and then the way that it end, like the the amount of violence, like even in the original miniseries, when Georgia gets his arm pulled off, we don't really actually see the arm come off. You just kind of you see his arm go down into the sewer. You see him pull his his arm out and and the arm is gone and then he disappears.

1:10:51 Whatever. This was so visual. This, this, this and this. Yeah, this. It is on some different shit. So whatever he was in the IT, he like got older, he towards retirement. Right. This is when he is fresh new look. And he's like. Excited though, he's like thousands of years old, like millions of years old. Like I don't know if this, because it's the beginning, it's the beginning of this. It's awakening and and we've seen him in the other at the end when he's about to go to sleep. So he's kind of full.

1:11:39 But this right here is so some some he he different and I felt some type of way at the end of this episode because you got me liking these kids and I wasn't. I thought I didn't pay attention to the trainer clearly because I assumed that they were part of the losers club. We we thought, we thought and, and I think they did that on. Purpose. I really thought they were. Yeah. But when they ripped that boy in half, I said I'm done. Oh man. And then slammed him up against the glass. I. Was like and and then and then you, then you left.

1:12:19 Only thing you left was a little girl's hand. She didn't. She just wanted to go get a milkshake, right? She was just a baby. Right, right. So. And the fact that they didn't actually show Maddie die. I I was like, OK, well, we know what happened to Maddie. These little pacifier flew, you know? Yeah, but baby, when I seen that hand, I said, oh, we in for it, right? Yeah, I think you know Susie, she just happened to be a casualty because she was there with them. But I, I'm going to be honest, even though that's Maddie on the screen and we know that he is, I don't know if he's being taken over by this entity, if he is this entity or whatever. I think there's still a part of my actual Maddie there. I think that's the reason why Lily and Ronnie, for now, are still alive, because those were the two people who were friendly to him.

1:13:17 Those were the people that he would have considered friends because even though Lily rebuffed his advance as a kiss, she said we're friends. Like she literally told him, I'm your friend, You're my friend. Ronnie helped him out. You know, when when Hal was chasing him out the movie theater or looking for him, she lied to protect him. She was like, oh, yeah, I saw him. He went that way. So I think that's the only reason why those two girls are still alive, because there is probably still a part of Maddie that is aware and he was like, no, I'm not going to do this to them because they actually cared about me in some, you know, shape, form or fashion.

1:13:59 Again, like we said. No, they got nothing to do with Maddie. They use Maddie. The thing about it is those boys felt more guilt, probably than she did. Yeah. He was getting. He was getting. More he was getting. More emotion from the two of them. Yeah, and then we feel. Guilt because of the fact that he. Disappeared if he right but that is not Maddie period. That's it. But he's feeding off of it and they have more guilt and they had more fear at the time. Lily been through some stuff so her fear factor is what gives her is something totally different. I don't know. There's something about watching, watching these people get ripped, ripped apart in front of you. I think that that.

1:14:41 Well, she's been through that though before, so you got to imagine she has imagined her day, but still, I mean, witnessing it, right? But she got saved too at the end 'cause he was coming for he was finishing his other meal. Ronnie pulled her out of there and then put the hammer through the door. But ultimately they had the most amount of fear when they got thrown through that screen. And she did. And she also had a lucky charm. Yeah, Maddie. Oh, the turtle. Charm. She had the turtle. Charm. That's right. I forgot about that. OK. And even though we're not going to, even though they never established the turtle in this universe, the turtle has to be something because it was, it's been in all of the movies and the. Turtle iconography has it was even in this show with the the bombshell, the turtle.

1:15:37 Yeah, and then she has a little turtle, but it was in, it was also in the movies too. So that could be, that will be her one, her one saving grace. OK. Because they were so scared, they literally jumped up and took off running. Yeah, and she just sat there paralyzed. Like I don't even know where to begin. She probably was like maybe if I just sit still it won't notice. Yeah, she's still processing, but they they are, they are mints. He's going for that, that fear. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But and and Teddy was already on edge from the lamp earlier. He's still throwing up that day, remembering what was happening.

1:16:20 Yeah. But that poor Susie, I was like, she didn't deserve that. Yeah, but I mean, think about it. Georgie didn't deserve it either. Like you say, Anthony, he just, he just wanted somebody to go sell his boat with him. That's all. He just wants someone to play with the boat. That's it. His brother George. That's all he wanted, right? Where George? But yet when I say that end scene fucked me up because I was like so y'all just killed half of the main characters? Right. That's why I was like, so well then. Well, well. I guess they're not made. Characters, but right, they was it, but they did such a great job, even though the the guy who did it is from the movies it so that's why it has the continuity and the sameness to it.

1:17:10 But they did such a good job, literally, of us caring about Phil and Teddy. I really fit combo. They fit in the losers club like, you know, print of like, you know, the templates and all the little nerdy bull. Right little. Bit you know they. Fit going to do the research, you know, believing in each other and Yep. Oh, that's they're gone. So now we're going to have to, you know, see how Ronnie and Lily deal with this moving forward. And not only that, like how how do you explain that to people?

1:17:52 Like when they come to open up the theater, when you have to call 911 because your friends just got torn apart? Like how do you even start that conversation or at like how? Yeah, how that, But like, how do you, how do you sit here and talk to these kids and then you still going to be like, well, it had to be this guy. So what I'm thinking is no, Yeah. Like. I, I, I don't, I don't even know. I don't even I'm surprised Lily if the next episode she ain't back at the. Yeah, I would be surprised too.

1:18:36 Yeah, Come on, check me in, please. Check me. In I'll be like this is some. This is too much. This is too much. I've seen too much. Right, right. Poor that poor girl. Oh my God. But I mean, just the both of them are going to have to deal with this in in very right. Yeah. But on the less gruesome side of things, let's go back to Major Hamlin because I know that he, I don't know how big a part he's going to play in this series, but we know that his grandson eventually becomes Mike Hamlin from the Losers Club and IT.

1:19:21 And he is one of the people that helps defeat Pennywise, you know, 30 something year or well, 30 something 54 years down the line. But we see, we see Major Hammond in Chapter 1 because he's with Mike. The grandfather. Yeah. He's a farmer. He was, yeah, he was a farmer. He was talking to him about the farming. No, that's his dad. No. That's his dad is dead. And his parents is dead. They died in the fire. That that was in that. What was the actor Glenn Thurman? I think it was, yeah, it was Glenn Thurman.

1:20:03 He. Was telling him, he was telling him things that he needed to do, like pretty much be a pretty much be a leader and, and you got to figure out some stuff. So it's probably after he retires and stuff for, you know, from the military, he gets a farm and they, you know, they do cattle 'cause it was owl farming. But his part of the story so far is like, I'm not going to say it's boring, but of course it's less bloody kind of. You know, we, we do have the, the attack, you know, he does get attacked by some people, which we don't really know why. Supposedly he was brought to the Air Force Base in Derry because he is a great pilot and they want him to fly this experimental plane. And the people who break into his barracks, they beat him because they want the specifics on that particular plane. But I'm.

1:21:01 Like how? How do you be Russian spies that don't have a Russian accent? And see, that's why I was, I don't think they're Russians. I I think 1. I think that little asshole racist military guy that's there, I can't remember what. He was. Masters of all names. Right, right, Masters. I think he was probably one of them and then it might have been some other ones who don't like the fact that there is a black major that's outranking them and calling the shots. But I was like, don't none of y'all have an accent? All I know is if they hadn't hit him with that that metal pipe, he was going to whip some ass he.

1:21:43 Was going. To take him down he was getting. Ready to RIP? It out. Thank you. And I like Russo. I like Russo. Russo came in out of nowhere. He came in spider monkey on right EDI love it. Right. But I'm kind of curious as to like what his part of the story in all of this is going to be, aside from, you know, being the way that Mike eventually ends up in dairy. But it's kind of like, OK, so you have this this major that's on a military base. And of course, they've already shown us that there's, you know, a section of the military base that's doing some classified experiments. So I don't know if that's going to have anything to do with the Pennywise stuff or if it's going to have something to do with something else.

1:22:29 But it's kind of like I'm, I'm curious, but not overly curious about his part of the story. But again, this is only the first episode. I'm but I'm just kind of like, OK, I maybe I don't need to know this part of the story, but I mean, like, like we say, y'all killed off half the main character. So it's not like we can get more of that unless you're going to give us some, some back story on these characters, which at this point is kind of like, I don't even know if we need like, I don't, I don't know, just where do you go from here with these, with these characters?

1:23:11 Because you got the 2 little girls who who survived and who are going to have to deal with the aftermath of all of this. I don't know. But I guess in some ways we have to have little the the the we have to have him so that we can have will so that we can have Mike. And so there has to be something they're going to have to drum up something good for him to make it, you know, because otherwise it's all about the kids and the grown-ups don't really matter. And and a lot of these cases. But I wonder if if him being part of the story is one of the reasons why Mike ended up staying in Derry. And, you know, he became like, what was he was a library, but he was also the the historian.

1:23:59 He was the one that kind of kept track of all of this stuff and kind of tracked Pennywise and and the disappearances and stuff. I wonder if it has something to do with whatever happens to Major Hamlin in this time period in 1962 that kind of causes him to have that make that decision Because I'm sorry, would be like, you know what? We not even from dairy. I'm leaving. Well, how about this? We know, we know Major Hanlon's family is coming, so we know Mike's dad is probably going to be a kid. What if he like, joins whatever the the new losers club is because we don't really know anything about him other than the fact that he and his wife died in the fire. What if we learn more about his part in in the whole thing? Yeah.

1:24:56 And maybe there's a reason why they he died in the fire. Could be. Yeah, and, and Major Handling's story is probably like another IT story, but a different, a different track, like it's something totally different. Because it's something secret. Yeah, on that they. They definitely it definitely effects. Adults. May be different than how it does the kids, but definitely makes adults because if I remember correctly, even though they really don't talk about it as much, but like there's the the in the beginning of the book, there's the gay character that gets killed. He gets murdered in the beginning of the book.

1:25:39 And then I think they kind of hit on it in the in the new movies about. The second one. The second one. You know so. Almost like the adults walk around with like a fog or a haze or a cloud. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, but no, yeah, 'cause that was the first. That was a character that dies in the Part 2. OK. Yeah, I need to go back and rewatch those two movies. Because he had, he had a lot. I mean, it was a lot of fear because they were getting beat up on. Yeah, they were getting attacked by the village idiots. Yeah, it was right. Yeah. So they definitely. He definitely goes after whoever you can get the fear from, but they don't have a separate like yeah he's a special hell for the children. Yeah.

1:26:25 And and that's the thing, I'm like, what? So and I understand it's probably because he is. I think the fear is greater because I think it's children. Our imagination is not limited as adult and you know, like adults are. So we have, as children, we have the potential to believe in more, you know, So like, if we see something weird, we're not going to question it. Like an adult will probably see something like Pennywise standing there with a balloon and be like, I'm imagining that. And when they turn around and look, it's gone because they don't automatically get scared or they don't automatically assume that that's something that's real, you know?

1:27:08 And maybe that's why he feeds off the children, because the children, their imaginations are so open. Yeah, yeah. He can be like, yeah, I can literally show them or do anything to them, and they're going to believe it. And they're going to, you know, they're going to get scared. And yes, that's what I want. Yeah, but he definitely knew what he was doing when he chose the clown persona. Honey, no. Listen and the. But I think King King in interviews has said that was why he had it go after children, is because their fear is much more powerful and much more pure than adult fear. OK, yeah, but if you stumble upon an adult with a bunch of fear, I mean, hey, it's like, you know, I don't know, side snack.

1:27:58 Yeah, but I want a steak, and that's the kids. Yeah. Because they have a high rate of missing children in their area. Right. And that's the one thing like. Yeah, he said it. Yeah, but then he said it in the in Part 1 is the kids and adults. It's just kids is a higher number, but the whole adult and kid number is higher than the national average. Yeah, yeah. And people tend to forget that their kids and adults missing. And that's what I was going to say. It's something about and, and of course we know dairy is like the main setting for most of his stories, but my whole thing is if I'm living in dairy and all these children, all this weird shit is happening. Yeah.

1:28:48 I'm leaving, I'm I'm moving. So I'm just kind of wondering I. Well, it's not necessarily dairy. It's it's the area of Maine because there's Jerusalem's lot dairy and then there's. He's talking about dairy, the numbers for dairy. But the issue is that it does have a spell over the area, so people don't leave and they're kind of numb to what is happening because then it stops and then they're fine and then it happens. Yeah, so then and then another generation is involved. So they don't because someone did a deep dive on like it is, because of just the power IT has.

1:29:33 The losers from the Losers Club left, but they're different. Yeah, Whatever it is about them made them. Different because they faced them. Yeah, and they were able to leave lost, still lost memory of what happened, but they all end up being successful too. Yeah, yeah. But then when they came back it it kind of reins that that memory start reinserted themselves and so that fear kind of started. Off, but everybody else is like, just drugged. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, I do need to go back and reread those books. It's been a while since I've read it. I.

1:30:13 Think I do want to reread it too. Gosh, it's been like, maybe, I don't know, maybe 20 years since I picked up that book. But if you do, you find Juniper Hill shows up in a lot of books. Yes, because wasn't oh, oh, what was his name? The guy who? The guy who bullied the Losers Club? The one Wasn't he at Junior Juniper Hill too? Yeah, he was. He was in Juniper Hill. But it was mentioned. It was mentioned in the Dark Half. It was mentioned in the dead zone. It was mentioned in. I won't say Rose. Was it Rose, Madden, whatever.

1:30:54 Yeah, it showed Gerald's Game. It was in Gerald's Game. Juniper Hill shows up in the live and stuff. OK, OK, yeah, so like I said, I need to go back and reread a lot of his stuff because it's been years. Because I got to a point, I think we we've had this conversation before. As I've gotten older, I kind of strayed away from horror because I my imagination is a little too overactive and I just got to a point where I just couldn't deal with it. But now I'm kind of slowly coming back into it, so. No, you just realized what we've been telling you the last year. So you are a whore person? Right. But I also think, you know what, I think it was for you, Hanukkah, you had babies.

1:31:35 You know what? And that could be it. Because that happened for my sister. My sister was obsessed with horror movies like my whole like youth and she I, she I was upset, she was upset. And as soon as she started having kids, she could not watch scary stuff anymore because something about that nurturer, you know, her babies, it just made her uncle. She couldn't watch that stuff anymore. And then after that after and they grew up and she was like, I can kick them in a bus and get them out of my house. She's back to. You know, watching whatever now and that could be it because especially like especially my oldest daughter, she is a she's a big hard person, but all three of them love hard stuff. So like they would literally be like, mom, you got to come sit down and watch this with us. And I'm like, I don't know if I can do that, But it's like just in the last, I would say maybe two or three years, maybe four years. I'm kind of I started dipping my toe. Back, but you know what it started with. I don't understand why she say dipping toe. We should be watching Walking Dead for 30 goddamns. Now.

1:32:34 Walking Dead, Walking Dead, Interview with the Vampire, All the vampire, right Vampire Diaries, while our vampires is whore. I don't care what you say, whether it's sparkly or not, it's still whore. OK, you have your whore that falls into like different categories. Like I can watch vampires, I can watch zombies. Don't ask me to watch a Friday the 13th or a a A Nightmare on Elm. Like I think I've watched one Nightmare on Elm Street and that was enough for me. I can't, I can't do it. I can't. I can't fuck with Freddy Krueger like that. I just I can't, cannot do it.

1:33:15 So yeah, he. He's the same. He's the same during species as it female people's fear. Right. And I was going to bring that up earlier is that's exactly what he that was what his driving force was. He fed off their fear. Yeah. And he talks about that specifically in dream. I was just watching dream warriors the other day and he specifically says that the the fears taste so good in you. That's why I'm coming, you know, And I'm just like. Man, how do you fight that? Yeah, no. Oh, I think I can deal with Pennywise because I, again, I read that book when I was 16, so I'm familiar with that type of I'm, I'm familiar with Pennywise. But like I said, even the the newer verses of it, it took me two years before I watched them.

1:34:03 And then I was just like, OK, I'm gonna sit down and I'm gonna watch this and it's going to be OK. And then I turned it on and I was like, I don't know if I'm ready for this. Like I was good. I mean. Did that Naruto run through the through the water in the basement? When I say yeah. Like the first. One on my couch and pause the TVIII was like I can't I can't. It took me 30 minutes to turn that, to turn it back on so I can finish it because that run and then you see him doing the same run in one of the trailers for this series. I was like. Yeah. Yeah, Part 1. Yeah, I remember seeing it's, it's funny because we were actually, we're on a a cruise ship, one of the few that actually has a movie theater on.

1:34:50 And I was like, OK, you know, I mean, the mini series scared me. It really did. And you know, I hate clowns. However, Part 2 helped because when I found out that it was just a spider alien I was good. I was like this is what I'm scared of. All the stuff before is creepy. It does help it. It did help and I was like OK I was able to. It took a week to go back to sleep. But when the the newest movies came out, that first one, I was like, OK, I already know Georgie, you know arm. But when we saw the teeth come out and no, you actually see him bite his arm and then the little boy is literally crawling in the rain with the blood coming from his arm and you just steady reaching out and RIP his ass back in. I was like, OK, we we know this is on some different type of shit.

1:35:45 Some. Different type of shit and then the whole thing in the house. This is different. With, with, with them in the house and yeah, yeah, yeah, it's. But it's different watching it. Yeah. But watching it this week again, I was just like, it wasn't bad. It was just funny because I'm like, come on, kids just don't go that way. You see what the house looks like. I. You go in there, go. In I make Pennywise like, dude, like, come at me, like smiling. First you look creepy and then you will go.

1:36:28 No, come, come nice. Come like, hey, yeah. You know, he's a sweet, sweet little kid. Can I help? You the Tim Curry way, you you come sweet and nice and funny. And then the did. You just say sweet. Yeah, Tim, get the key. Tim Curry. Was nice you came it was a. Balloon. Well, you came with the red. First of all, you had me running, running from a leopard. And then I get far from the house. And then you got a bunch of red balloons come up and then you go to the And then you want to smile. No, you smile 1st and then look like I need to run. But yeah. And I'm sorry, who got it worse?

1:37:12 Beth got it worse. I'm sorry. Bev got it worse. And I can't think of his name, the one that died. Stan. Stan 'cause he his, he, he was eating. Oh, and we mentioned it. Stan he. Still had the scars when he was older on his face from being right 'cause it had his whole face was in its mouth. OK, I'm just saying Stan is. So he needed therapy. Teddy's nephew. Right. Yep. Yeah, that's, yeah, that's. He's the He's the son of Teddy's brother. Right. Yeah, so it hit that household like twice. Yeah, yeah.

1:37:53 It's a year, so. 'Cause they already had. Trauma. Yeah. Mm Hmm Yep 'cause he killed, he killed 1 and got close to killing the second one and then Stan just couldn't deal with it. Yeah, man was like, oh, So what you're saying is he's back? OK, good. I'm going die now. Faye, try. Yeah, right. He was like, yeah, I'm gonna let y'all. Handle this cause but I I do have oh this is when we stopped recording. I had some plot holes on that one but dealing with staying but maybe I can help me fix those. Oh, OK. Yeah, we'll talk about that. But OK. So welcome to dairy episode one there. You go. Welcome. Very strong start.

1:38:36 Welcome. I don't know if welcome is the right word, but I guess we hear now. So we hear now, and I hate. I hate when the major was saying Oh yeah I'm getting that a house in town for my family and I'm thinking don't do it. Stay on the base. Stay on base. But I don't know, because we don't know what's in that secret. We we don't know what's in that secret, Baron. I don't. Care, but we know what's in the city. Yeah. So stay on base, stay on the base. So is this where you, this is really where you want to stay, brother, right? Where you want to stay? I don't think it's where you want to stay. Like I, I don't know who's I and, and, and I guess The thing is, like you said, people must be like living in a fog or whatever because nobody is saying, yeah, we got some weird shit happening around here. Like OK.

1:39:37 That's the whole point it has. It has its claws into the people of the area. Yep. Because when he was in the Jeep when they first picked him up, the guy was like, he told him he was staying And the guy was like, oh, well, dairy's the, you know, the perfect place. You love dairy. And I'm like. Yeah, he's, what did he say? He said, I think my wife is looking forward to a little bit of normal. He said, oh, but if you're looking for normal, you're going to love it In dairy. I was like, famous. You won't. You're going to love dairy. Like. Less truthful words have. Never been spoken let's yeah see, but I think this series is going for six episodes in this first season.

1:40:25 I do not I don't know if they're renewed for a second season yet. I don't know if we need a second season, just depends on what they do with this first season because I mean, we already know how the story ends. It's just right now we're building up to get to that point. So I don't know if we'll at at some point in this series meet the newer lose losers club or the, the, the generation in between this generation and the losers club. But. I think I, I think they said they're thinking about going backwards. Backwards. Yeah, they're. Going backwards and. I thought there's something about. That they're going to.

1:41:08 Go backwards list of which season, which time period is going. To come. Yeah, all those, all those side stories and Lord stories from the book, they're going to. 19. 27 or something, like when he when he first got the clown persona, it's like like in like way back and when they had like a travelling thing or something. Yeah, they had that on this. See that somewhere? I'm gonna have to look. Look that up and then we can. So if they, if they do, yeah, if they do that, that would be I, I would be down for that. Heck yeah. I would be down. For children, let's. Go and plus, it's something different, like when when have you seen the series do something like that where they just go backwards? Yellowstone.

1:41:50 Besides. They're separate series, not the same series. Those are all separate series, aren't? They they're the same. It's the same family. Are those the same family? But it's not the same show. It's different shows. Yeah, I get what you're saying. Anthony, OK, I do what you're saying. It's called Yellowstone 1923. It's called Yellowstone 18. It's. Not the same show. Oh. OK, I get what you're saying, but yeah, because you know, the we know that Pennywise makes his appearance every 27 years. So and and I know that in the original miniseries, they kind of went back and they told us about the different like tragedies. Like I know that there is a if I'm not mistaken, there was a factory fire that killed like 80 something kids, 100 and something people all together.

1:42:46 And then there was another large tragedy. There was a a gang massacre. Yes, yes, there was the black spot, the gang master, the Easter egg hunt tragedy. So they're probably going to touch on all of those so that they're going to do that That's that's fine that that would be great. And then that would also give me incentive just to kind of go back and reread the book just to kind of re familiarize myself with the story. But I, as much as I hate that the kids are dying, I, I'm actually enjoying the first episode, you know, and I just, it's, it's making me apprehensive for what's coming next. Like, are you going to introduce us to more children that we're going to watch die?

1:43:41 And what kind of trauma are you going to continue to take Lily and Ronnie on from this point? So I don't know you guys have any final thoughts about Welcome to Dairy Episode 1? I I would say it lived up to expectations. So, yeah, yeah. That's a good way to say it, and that's a good way to say it. And I don't think we need to say anything else on that note. That is it for our show. You can find us online at www.phantomhybrid.com. We are on social media on all the social media at Phantom Hybrid. You can chat with us on our Discord channel, you can watch our videos on our YouTube channel, and you can listen to us on all major podcast streaming platforms. Thanks for listening.

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