IT: Welcome to Derry (Season 1 Episode 2) - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #383

0:25 What's up, hybrids? Welcome back to another episode of the Phantom Hybrid podcast. This is Hanukkah and I'm here with Anthony and Dina and we are discussing episode 2 of it. Welcome to dairy. So I know I said for the first episode that I don't know how they can get even more like grotesque in this show. Yeah, I I think it's it's almost like they're competing with the boys, like, oh, this is what we did in the last episode. Let's top it off with this. I I don't even know where to start.

1:06 I. Big ginormous mutant baby there's. Nowhere else to start. OK, so yes, let's start there. Because as if we didn't see enough of this mutant baby in the last episode, they had to replay the final scene at the beginning of this first episode. I'm like, do we really need to watch these babies be torn apart again? Because I think in the last episode I don't recall seeing and hearing the mutant baby chomping Susie's arm off. But you definitely heard that shit in this. One, Yeah, yeah. They made sure we knew. Like, oh, this is how that happened, how she ended up. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:51 And then you know what makes it even creepier 'cause they always do this jump with these theme songs where they're like sweet little 50 sounding. So these babies just got ate up and now we like, don't do that. We gonna talk. We gonna talk about that theme song. We gonna talk about it. But yeah, when when they started the episode off and I saw the mutant baby, I was like, OK, so really, y'all about to try. Like it's not enough that you traumatized us in the last episode. You're like, oh, by the way, we're going to give you a reminder. Like that's the recap I don't think anybody needed. Like we knew, we remember very well, very visually, what happened at the end of that last episode. Yeah.

2:33 Yeah. And then like you said something about like when you see it, and I think they did show it to us from a couple of different perspectives in the in the beginning of this episode. But like when you see the baby come down and he's looking at Lily and then you see him literally go down to the floor and you hear the crunch. I was like what the fuck are y'all doing to us? Yeah, to this little little baby, not even one of the big kids, this is. Right. Like I don't, I didn't need that sound effect in my head. I really didn't. I'm going to tell you I I really like this show, but it is trying my patience because y'all know I do like horror, I don't like gore, I just don't.

3:29 And. This is really pissing it. Yeah, yeah, 'cause I mean, when you think of the the original 1, like the most gory parts was just the excessive amount of blood, which was just red. And then the when they're at the dinner table and their all their food starts turning into weird eyeballs and weird stuff. But there was no real like gore in the original. So yeah, it's pretty gross, yeah. There was no chomping of babies arms. No. And there were no flying babies with even smaller babies on their shoulders. There was no dramatizing childbirth reenactment. For the second time.

4:11 Listen. What? What? Do these? What do these writers have against childbirth? What is the? Issue. Why do we feel the need? Is there anything more traumatic that can, that can just like, imprint itself on your eyeballs? Been a traumatic, grotesque, horrific, terrifying childbirth. You know what's funny about that? That is one of the things about Game of Thrones and House of the Dragon. That was a huge thing, traumatizing births and women, you know? Yeah. But you're not. On the one hand, yes, I feel like it's too much.

4:51 But on the other hand, I really feel like it's a little more, maybe not this particular version, but it's a little bit more realistic because when we watch TV and when we watch media and we're seeing scenes of childbirth or whatever, they kind of romanticize it. You know, you have the the women and they're pushing and then they get the baby and the baby is already all nice and cleaned up and looking at them and it's just such a beautiful experience, which yes, it can be, but there's. That's not hold on, that's that's not my experience, 'cause I watched a lot of ERA, lot of private practice. Well, that's different 'cause you're talking about medical. Dramas. So it's going to be different. It's going.

5:32 To show, Yeah, those are all traumatic. And in the last traumatic childbirth, Michelle just watched Unbreakable again. And Mr. Glass's childbirth, you didn't see it, but we saw saw that afterwards. Yeah. That's traumatic, but like in older shows, you don't really see the the traumatic side of it because that's one thing people need to understand. Like childbirth can be dangerous. You know it, it's not all, oh, all you have to do is push and you make it. Oh, you're doing so good. No, sometimes it is life and death. And that's one thing that we learned in this particular episode with Ronnie's mother, because, you know, the whole first episode, we only saw her father and her grandmother.

6:15 We never saw a mention of a mom. So I figured either mom skipped out or mom past. Now we find out in this episode her mom actually died in childbirth giving birth to her. Or at least that's the implication. I don't know if that's actually the case, but I'm assuming without how how grotesque this thing happened, that's probably what it was. Didn't. She say you killed me. Yes, she said. You ripped me open. You ripped a. Plan on her guilt, which she you know, it's sad because you're a child. You only get that guilt because people tell you that you killed your mom basically like that, Like 'cause how else would you know? You know what I mean? Or, you know, she, she died giving birth to you. It's like you're not necessarily blaming the child, but you're still saying it in a way that the child might take that on, you know, You know?

7:04 But. Yeah, but when I say when, when she got in the bed, first of all, the whole conversation with like, her dad and her grandmother, because basically what's happened in the episode is as we thought, because it would happen at their place, his place of work. And she was the one who let the kids in. Her dad is under suspicion for having something to do with the deaths of Teddy, Stan and Susie. And the weird thing is, so they hint to us a little bit about how they were found, which means they didn't find any bodies. They found a lot of blood. So again, it's one of those things where you don't have, all you have is the blood, but you don't have proof that they're actually dead. But they're just going ahead and saying, OK, where there's all this blood, they're dead.

7:53 But what happened to the bodies? I don't know what they asked Ronnie and Lily or how they asked them, because obviously the two girls are still walking around. They're still going to school, so. But also where what happened to the hand, the whole arm this child had in her hand? So like, I just wonder, like so they really think that while she was holding this girl hand that this man came and just chopped this baby's arm while she was. Holding. I'm thinking, I'm thinking when she dropped it and then ran out that it came and got it. It must have cause 'cause they said no body parts were found. There are no body parts. So.

8:35 That's the same. Yeah, so of course everybody's thinking the black man did it, the man who, you know, of course they're not saying it in those many words because you do have some people who are kind of like, I just don't see it. Like even the first cop, when they're discussing it in the car, he was like Grogan real. Like I wouldn't have, I wouldn't have thought that. And then, of course, you know, when you're talking to someone who has a different opinion and you don't want to seem like, Oh, I'm disagreeing with you, you're going to start going along with it. And that they start making it into a little jokey joke thing, which I was like, Oh, there's a lot of y'all in this episode cause Mars does the same thing. But you know, they're, they're blaming it on, on him, he and his mother having disagreements about how to handle the whole thing.

9:23 And then, of course, Ronnie is feeling her own sense of guilt because, oh, she was the one that took them there and they died, like her grandmother saying all out loud, like, well, she should never taken taken them in the first place. So basically, you're telling this girl this is her fault. Yeah. You know, and then she the grandma was so she has like 0 compassion. Send that girl to school. What? Here's here's the thing. OK, so here we got we got to go into our little Gen. X-Files. This is what, the 1960s? This is black parenting in a racist world. She's trying to teach her.

10:04 OK. Were you not going to let these white people talk you down? You're not going to let them scare you off? I mean, I get it. But at the same time, it's like, you know, looking at it from our lens, our current lens, it's just kind of like, what are you doing? Yes. You you talking about the dad. He he babies her to. Excuse me? She just watched friends of hers or kids that she knows her own age being torn apart. She might need a little baby. Same thing with Lily's parent. At the end, when she goes through her stuff and her mom is dropping her back off at the asylum, she is pleading with her Mama. Please don't send me there. Her mother is looking at her like, I don't have time to deal with you. What?

10:48 And I have 'cause she already watch stuff like this. I have to keep in my mind I'm like, OK, 1960s, different time, different mindset. Like they didn't take responsibility for that type of thing. They were like, oh, you're going a little crazy. We're going to send you to the asylum with lobotomize you. We're going to let them shock treatment you. We're going to let them do whatever and fix you instead of getting to the root of the problem like. Because it was already like really messed up how she had treated her when she was like, you're not the only one that that's going through some stuff. And I'm like, but you're the adult and she's the child who feels guilty for killing her dad. Like, yeah, that was your husband and you lost your husband or whatever.

11:31 But like, you're an adult who has a child who feels completely tied to this tragedy. And she's just like, you're not the only one. And I was like. Yeah, basically like the the version of you put on your big girl panties and deal with it. Yeah, this is a. Child. This is a child, and now she's compounding trauma on top of trauma on top of trauma because you're dealing with the aftermath of your father's death. Then you're dealing with the aftermath of this kid that you were friends with disappearing and his finger talk, you know, coming up through the drain and talking to you through the drain.

12:13 And then you literally just saw three other children ripped apart. And I I don't mean that like, just figuratively. Yeah. Literally watch them get ripped apart. Yeah. And then you got to go through all this other stuff and then people are just looking at you like oh she crazy we going to send her to the South. Do y'all not understand what this child just went through? Why? No, they don't. Why am showing? They already think she's crazy and and like you say, you have to take it into the context of the time period they're in. You know, you can't.

12:57 First of all, first we have to deal with, we already have to deal with it altering people's brain chemistry first. Of all. Then secondly, we have to deal with the culture and society the way it was during that time. Like the girl is crazy to them. She really used to be locked up somewhere because whatever was going on after her father's death, whatever got her put in Juniper Hill, everybody knows about it. There's a small town, so she was imagining, you know, her father's parts in pickle jars.

13:37 You know, if she was freaking out every time she saw a pickle jar, yeah, they're going to think something is wrong with her. So if she comes with this story and tells them this stuff, of course they're going to think she. So she's not going to say anything because she don't want, right? I. Already think she's crazy. She's really they Looney Lily. Looney Lily. Yeah, you know. So sad though. Yeah, it is. You would think they have more compassion, but come on now. We we grew up. I know. Without parents, Yeah. You talk about in the 60s, compassion for a kid. Yeah, No, we seen and not heard. Yeah.

14:19 And it was worse for them then. Yeah, yeah. 'Cause these are literally our parent. Well, almost like our parents. Yeah, yes, by 10, by 1013 years removed. Yeah, it really, they really were. But let me tell you, going back to the monster birth, 'cause I mean, that's how we monster we we deal with monster babies. We deal with monster births. Where Ronnie is sitting in this bed. First of all, she looks at the picture of her mom and, you know, wedding day picture, and then she put the covers over her head. Immediately I was like, no, that's the wrong move. That's the wrong move.

15:05 You don't want to do that. When the bed starts stomping. I didn't even think about it being a heartbeat until I realized she couldn't get out of the sheet. And then I was like, is she inside the monster? Then it starts getting weird because she's got all the the the I guess it's supposed to be like the amniotic fluid and and all this stuff is falling on her face and that's gross enough. OK, y'all could have stopped there. I would have gotten the gist. We would have been good. But no, no, you got the stuff falling on her.

15:48 You had the bed filling up with with water, which is supposed to be the amniotic fluid. Then you see the red on the sheets and I was like, OK, this is about to get interesting when she starts pushing and starts pushing with her feet. That's when it clicked to me. I was like, is this thing about to give birth to her? But I still wasn't expecting what I saw. Yeah, when she. When when we are in somebody's bedroom at night. Welcome to dairy he coming for. You yeah, he coming he.

16:29 Coming. He coming and and not in a pleasant way, like in the most horrific way possible. Like I, I thought, I'm trying to think what was the I think up until this point, me remembering one of the reasons why I don't fool with Nightmare on Elm Street. The first one, I think it was the first one when Johnny Depp fell asleep in the bed. He got pulled into the bed and then the next thing you know is just a geyser of blood coming out. I thought that was like over the top. No, no.

17:12 Yep, that's it. Because when? When I saw the umbilical cord, yes. She when she got pulled out and she she came out, I was like, OK, then you hear the noise and she turned around and I looked I was like, are those in that? What am I looking at here? Like I, I, I'm sorry, Anthony, I freeze frame. I paused it and I was like, oh, this is not about to be good. Then when her mom's head popped up, you know what? I need to go fix me some coffee. I don't think I'm ready to deal with this quite yet. Listen, I think I said in the last episode I don't know who writes this stuff.

17:58 Y'all need help. See professional help. Go to Juniper Hill, I got. Spoiled on it because David who gave you Apollo, he was like how did they convince that girl's parents to let her film this scene with this bang through this umbilical cord and like and I was just like, you know that's a good point like these kids these are I mean they're older than they're appearing on screen but like that's a lot like I got a bike like a fake em oh. I think I saw an interview with, I want to say it was made the act, the actor who plays Major Hanlon, and he was talking about a scene the the episode hadn't aired yet, so he couldn't say what scene it was, but he was talking about. Yeah, he said there are some.

18:48 No, it wasn't him. It was the guy who's playing the Dick Halloran. Yes. And he was saying, he said these kids these days, he said there's a scene. He said, I don't want to give it away, he said, but the acting that this act, he he said shit and then he stopped and said that this actor had to do in the same 'cause he was trying not to say which kid it was, right. He said the acting that they did in the scene, he was like, they were just committed. And when you watch the scene, it's like, Oh my God, that child is going to have nightmares for the rest of their life. And he was like, but they are so good. He was like, oh, to be a young actor and to be that good again. So like what?

19:35 I don't know, like I just, I don't know, like I've always been freaked out about kids and horror movies and like, how did like, 'cause you know, and then you've been hearing your like my whole life I've been hearing about little the little baby Heather O'Rourke from Poltergeist, Poltergeist or dying and stuff. Like, so there's always some kind of, you know, The Exorcist with Linda Blair. Like, I don't know how these kids live normal lives after shooting this for months. And back in the day it was longer than in a few months, you know, when they used to shoot stuff. So I don't know how these kids go on to the next thing and they're fine. There's a reason why I'm not an actress. I I can't do it. No, no. Woo. Child no.

20:16 But for her to have to play that fear and then get spit out and then she turns around and her mom and then she was like you tore me apart. All I wanted to do was hold my baby when she put her arm. Out No. No, no, no. I'm sorry, but they go back to the the umbilical cord when when she was pulling and then the mouth. Yes, that's what I was just doing. The mouth was like was like Seymour from a little shop before. No, she was pulling in umbilical cord. Yeah, Yeah, you're right. How do you tell? How do you tell a child? OK. So it's going to be pulling you and for you to get away, you're going to have to bite through the umbilical cord.

21:05 I, I, I and that made a gunky. It was junkie. It was like, I'm sure it was probably some kind of candy or some kind of vegetable or something that the, yeah, some jealous thing probably. But still, it's like to have to have that kind of imagery in your head so that you can play that fear just right. And she did a phenomenal job with that scene. Oh yeah. Absolutely phenomenal. But Oh my God, that is probably one of the worst things I have ever seen on TV. Yeah, it's pretty. I wonder how much of that was was practical and how much was digital. Was CGI. Yeah. Look, I'll look it. I'll look it up because I know somebody did an interview. I would look it up and let you know when we discussed the episodes because.

21:50 That was the stuff of nightmares right there. Yeah, yeah. Like the whole thing, because like being in that huge, like waterbed, basically you're inside a huge waterbed like no, no, and. She's screaming while she's while she's enveloped in this fluid and she's got stuff falling on her, falling in her mouth and can. We move on to the next. Scene Oh yeah, 'cause we got Pickles and body parts to talk about. But it just, oh, and then of course, you know, she screams and her dad comes in and there's nothing there. I was just like, I would be the one to be like, take me to Jennifer Hill now take me, Just walk me up. Take me because.

22:36 Because after that, how do you go back to that bed and sleep again? Yeah, that's my thing. Never You. You can sit here and you can talk. You you can probably convince yourself that, oh, that wasn't real or whatever. How do you go back and sleep in that same bed? Because I got. The one the one thing one thing about dairy kids is they are, well, I was going to say they're resilient, but they're highly edible too, so. Bro, no, but like, remember how we talked about in the, I don't know if we said this on video or we talked about it beforehand, but remember how we was talking about how the Losers Club ain't got nothing on these kids because he came with it with these kids versus how he did the Losers Club?

23:24 It's a whole different level. Yeah, 'cause I. Don't know, I I know we're not talking about the next episode, but he his tastes have refined because he was even more horrified. Yeah, don't tell me 'cause I haven't seen it yet. I'm I was trying to wait till we talked about this one before I watched it but. Just wait. Just wait. It's so good, though. I actually really enjoyed it. Yeah. So like, all these kids are like 1516 and they just look like babies for the most part, you know? But they they are pretty resilient though, so I'm sure she'll be fine. I was going. To say they got.

24:06 To be she kind of, I mean, first of all, she, her and Lily are still freaking out. Like they haven't stopped freaking out. They're walking around, still freaking out. But the thing with that was too, and I, I think one, I think for Lily is because she's had that experience before, people looking at her, gawking at her, calling her crazy and stuff. So she knows what she should and shouldn't do. And I think she's got another mask. Right, right. That's what I'm saying. She knows. Ronnie is physically, visually freaking out. Yeah, but, but even not to that point because, again, this is a this is a black child whose family has probably gone through all kinds of stuff and she probably has it in her head like her grandmother. OK, you know what?

24:57 Go to school, hold your head up high. Don't make these people think that, you know, and and she's like, she's dealing with it. She is freaking out, but I think she's also dealing with it because she's also thinking, I don't want to give them anything else to talk about. I don't want to give them another reason to point their finger at my daddy. Like that's her whole thing. She knows that what happened to Teddy and and Phil, Phil and Susie, not her dad. She knows that it was something that can't be explained, but she also knows the weirder she acts or the more she says anything about that, they're going to point, they're going to point the fingers at her dad.

25:43 But on the flip side of that, like I understand she wants her dad to be exonerated. She wants them to know her dad had nothing to do with this. Because in the middle of the episode, they do go arrest her dad after the cops has, you know, they they say something and basically manipulate Lily into implicating him. But the thing that got me in again, I know that these are children. They're not thinking about things in an adult way. The fact that she is so angry at Lily, when Lily is like, look, I'm trying. I have to protect myself.

26:24 Nobody else is here standing up for me. If I say what I saw that night, they're going to stick me back in Juniper Hill, and I cannot go back there. And here's the thing. We don't know what she went through in Juniper Hill. Yeah, yeah. We don't know if she experienced any more of this stuff while she was in there. And that could be one of the reasons why she's so afraid to go. Now. We know that the way that they did asylums and stuff back then, they treated them horribly, They tortured them, They did experiments, all in the name of science. But yeah, she could have experienced more while she was in there, and that's why she doesn't want to go. And like, I don't know the way that people treat each other in this series.

27:13 And again, I know it's a different time. I know people interacted with each other differently. But it's kind of like, you gonna sit here and go off on this girl because she's trying to protect herself. Like, you have your grandmother, at least your grandmother will stand up and tell them folks, y'all know my son didn't do this. Da, da, da, da, da. Her grandmother's gonna go to bat for her. Lily has no one. Because it's obvious how Mama don't give a damn about what happens to her because oh, you're becoming too much for me to have to deal with, you know? But I, I also say I get, I get where Ronnie's coming from only because she knows based on how things are with, with white folks and black folks and racism stuff that that little white girl, she feels like that little white girl's her dad's only saving grace because who's not going, Who's not going to believe the little white girl? If the black girls say he wasn't there, then they don't believe her.

28:04 But the problem is that poor Lily has a history. If Lily had been one of those Patty cake girls and she said that the dad didn't do it, they would have immediately. Well, Patty cake girl said, you know, but it was Lily. And that's the thing that Ronnie's not understanding that Lily's her word don't mean nothing to them because she crazy, you know? I'm I'm not sure because one of the background things is that they they are itching to do something to a brother. Those white dudes in that town, are they are hankering to do something. Which is true, but the officer wasn't just going to go after him without proof until first officer.

28:50 Yeah, mob mentality. Well, he's clearly the reason. Go get him. He actually. Said you. Know this is America, I have to have proof. But they did come to him and tell him if you don't do anything about it. Right, the mob mentality, right, Yeah. So he had to. If anything, he had to find something because they were going to do something. Yeah, but the fact that he manipulated Lily the way he did, OK, well, if it wasn't him, you know, you were there. You got a his. Like she was like, you think I did this? I'm a child. No, that's not what I'm. Thinking Bowers, right? Isn't it Henry Bowers? Henry Bowers dad.

29:30 I didn't even think about that. Yep. Probably his. Or his granddad. Yeah, might be his granddad. 'Cause he he would be the say or a little bit older than Will. Yeah, yeah. The OR his dad would be a little older than Will or right at Will's age. Yeah. But yeah, the fact that he that he got her to turn like that. And I think that's the thing, like Lily, even if she couldn't really put it into words, she knew what was going to happen. And she was like, if I, if I say anything like I told them he wasn't there. Yeah.

30:10 And that's about the best I can do. Because if I say anything else, they're going to look at me like I'm crazy and they're going to think I had something to do with it as as she wasn't far off. Yeah, and that's what you're. Saying OK, so if so, if he didn't do it, then you know, maybe you, maybe you were our confusing things where she was like, you think I did this? No, no, that's not what I'm saying. But what I'm trying to say is let let me ask you this question another one. I was like, you know what these fuckers? Manipulating that baby, yeah. But if I mean, people wonder why we say don't trust, OK, I mean, because unfortunately you do see that happening, you know, I mean.

31:03 Look at how people have signed confessions and taking pleas that they didn't need to take because they didn't know any better. Masters in this episode, the little racist military guy signing confessions for something that he didn't do because. But he was proud to take the blame because he knew it was going to hurt the black man though. How crazy is that? Listen, that doggone masses, we'll, we'll, we'll come back to that 'cause that, that whole thing is that whole thing is weird with handling. And we got to talk about, you know, the arrival of his family and his wife and stuff. But I, I guess the, do we want to get all the gross stuff out the way first?

31:50 Do we want to talk about the pickle jar incident? Well, we talking about Lily so we might as well. Yeah, let's talk about that disgusting, horrible thing they did to one of my favorite foods. Girl, I'm like, am I ever going to be able to eat a jar of Pickles again? Like what? Andy, I So am I. So am I Ate Pickles a day matter of fact, but I'm glad I didn't start this episode when I was eating my pick up 'cause I. OK, and that's the other thing. I meant to start this this episode with a disclaimer. If you are still eating food while watching this show, you have a problem because there should be no reason food is on the plate in front of you while this show is on the set. None whatsoever.

32:42 Yeah, this time I made sure to eat before we watched it this time. But the person who I live with, related to my marriage, was sitting there with her playing food. And on this one too. Yes, she's. Like it ain't. Got nothing to do with me. She did. She did with the the. You know what? Michelle is a tough cookie 'cause I can't she's just. Build different. She she got to be. Actually drinking a drink and I was like. No, but after Ronnie's father gets arrested and Ronnie comes to, she goes to Lily's house and she confronts her.

33:30 Now that's the one time Lily's Mama stood up for her. But still, that was just because this girl was banging on her door at 11:00 at night, right? And not necessarily because of protecting her child. Yeah, I think that was more because the neighbors can hear probably. Right. All I know is I will never look at the jar Pickles the same way. No, no, but you know. What one thing I wanted to bring up about her mom real quick that I didn't think about. Her mom was a waitress. And I do wonder if her mom only was a waitress because her dad got killed and she was used to living a certain kind of life, but now she got to. Work. I mean, I, I could see that and I don't know if because I think she said something about her mom works 2 jobs.

34:15 So maybe the mom was already a waitress and picked up another job or she was 'cause I don't, I, I can't think, I don't think they've mentioned any other type of job that she was doing. But I think Lily did say something about her either working a double shift or working a second job. OK, yeah, but that's how we end up in the grocery store because she goes in to do her shopping. And even the guy who, you know, I guess the Super supermarket manager, he's like, oh, you doing the shopping again? She was like, yeah, my mom's working late. He was like, OK, you go do whatever, right? Find what you need. Help come get me reach the hospital.

34:55 Now let me say this, as much grossness as was in this episode, I think that mother fucker peeping around the the grocery aisles creep me out more because the way he was doing it, he was just like like no. Imagine like not knowing if it's real. Oh my God, he's. Just walking behind her and then just like literally with his eyes bulging. I was like, no. And and she like, I think she feels like something is going on with her, but she's also trying not to look because she's trying to convince herself that what she's imagining or what's happening is not really happening.

35:44 Right. So you've got grocery aisles closing themselves in. You got shelves moving. You got people staring at her, which the staring at her thing. I can I can understand, you know. Oh, that's the that's loony Lily Bainbridge. That's the girl who was there when when the kids got killed in the theater. You know the staring part. I can get the aisles closing and she not recognizing or she not noticing it. I was like, OK, this is getting a little too weird. That dude, when I tell you he I got goosebumps, just mentioned to him. That dude was probably the creepiest part of the episode because he was the one thing that I think I wasn't expecting.

36:30 Yeah, the. First the first woman, the first old lady, she walked by who turned and looked at her, and then she went. It's in there. Oh yeah, yeah, her. But see, again, that kind of falls in line with what I would expect for something like this. So she creeped me out and I was like, yeah, no, you need to get out the grocery store. But it wasn't one of those I I need to look around the corner. The way that that dude was following her and the way he was just popping up out of the thing and going back. No, he put it put me in the my oven. I I know they have no relation, no correlation, but you want to know how creepy that was for me?

37:17 You remember the little bouncy things in the Wiz? That's what it reminds me of. That's how creepy that was. That do No no. It makes it even creepier too, because it's not like a dark bedroom, It's not a sewer, It's not, it's literally in the daylight at a grocery store and things like this should not be happening. And that makes it even more like, you're not safe anywhere. Girl, no. Like, I can't imagine being a child, 12 years old or whatever old. They're supposed to be 13 and this is happening to me and I can't even go to the the grocery store.

37:59 'Cause you're surrounded by people, you should feel safe. Right, right. Exactly, exactly, I think. That that that's sort of a point of it. You're never. Safe. You're never safe. Thanks, aunt, You're never. Safe. I. Just realized I haven't played in the background but old lady was following her too so. Was she actually following her? OK, yeah. So I was gonna say she is in a grocery store. People are shopping. You know, people tend to do the the aisle to aisle thing when they're grocery shopping. No. No, no, no, no you. Know she creepily is watching.

38:41 Yeah, the dude is doing it more, but the the woman, the old lady did a couple of times. Yeah, let me tell you, that dude was. It was too much. It was too much. It was like, I think I got creeped out by him. I think more so than the whole whatever Ronnie went through, whether that was real, whether it was a dream that she expect because that I kind of expect from Pennywise. I expect something like that from it, you know? Yeah. The the other like that would be like Anthony following me in the grocery store and just peeking out because you're normal.

39:22 This, this person is normal. He looks like just a regular white guy wearing khakis, grocery shopping, and then all of a sudden you look at his face and his eyes are like this. I was like, and I have a thing about people who make those kinds of facial expressions too, because it's like he has no emotion, no, no real expression. It's just blank and creepy and bug eyed with with the creepy smile, no. No, it reminds me, I was 'cause I started watching the Shine, I didn't finish it 'cause I actually got kinda bored at certain parts, but I was watching the Shine and just looking at Jack Nicholson and it's like he was crazy looking prior to any of yes, yes, he was definitely perfect for this role 'cause he was already like. And, you know, the the eyebrows and and the way he smiles, I mean, that's what made him such a perfect joker. Yeah.

40:26 Yeah, exactly, exactly. He looks diabolical. He really does. He. Looks unhinged, he. Does that's a good word? For it. Yeah, 'cause we, Michelle watched it last week and I, I was watching the interview that he had at the beginning and I'm like, can they must really be desperate because this is not a dude that you look like you need to be handing. No. Absolutely not. To a hotel. Right, the person. Previously killed his whole family so I guess he was a step up. I don't know. Because he wasn't right. Because sitting there in the interview, he was not right.

41:07 Yeah, and it's like when the guy was telling him like, Oh yeah, you're going to be up here for months and this isolated stuff. Oh no, I'm I'm good with that. I was like Nope, Nope, Nope, 'cause he also does the the bug eyed thing when he does the smile. It's creepy. Yes, it's creepy it. Is OK but but I do have one little ball on the pit with these people. In reality, she only broke one jar. I. Know are you going? To sit in jail for you? What is wrong with you? What? Is wrong with you. I think it was not necessarily that she broke the jar, but then she was on the. Ground like and she was screaming, yeah. So obviously she was looking at something they weren't looking at.

41:54 So I think that's probably why they were like, OK 'cause, you know, especially back then, you know, they had this whole saying like crazy is catching. Like, oh, if you get too close to somebody who's acting like that, you will start acting like that too. Like they really believe that kind of. Stuff is true, that is. True. So that's probably what that was like. Oh, you know what? We need to get her out of here because. Out of a light society. Right, right, 'cause she might be that that crazy might be catching. That crazy might be contagious, but when she when she really starts, like when she's going down the aisles and I'm sitting at this point, once I see the guy and he start doing this, I'm looking at literally every cereal box, every can.

42:35 I'm looking to see if something is going to be out of place. But everything was so neat and everything was so perfect. Then she gets to the aisle with the jars and I was just like, pause. OK, let me just. Oh wait, did you skip the Wheatie boxes with all of our friends? Oh, yes, that was the thing. I was. Yes, you're right. Yeah, I think. It was Wheaties. Well, or the off or the off brand, but yes, the cereal boxes with Phil and and Susie and Teddy was Maddie wasn't on there, was he? Yeah, I think he was the first one. OK, first one.

43:16 Yeah. But yeah, so that's when you start knowing, OK, something, something's about to happen. That name happening, right? And I, I really thought that she was probably going to die 'cause I was like, OK, y'all killed off half the quote UN quote main characters in the first episode. Maybe it's her time to die, you know. But when she sees the jars and she starts, I don't remember if it was that she saw something or she heard something. But when I looked at the jars, I was like, this looks a little too familiar. It reminded me of the, it reminded me of the Walker heads that the governor kept in the jars in his in his bedroom. So, yeah, yeah.

44:02 Yeah, see I'm walking in the size of the lambs with with old girl head in the jar. See that? That's another movie I've never watched. I don't know if I ever will watch it. I what? Size are lambs. I'm trying to get to the Pickles. It ain't coming up fast enough. I got to get there. Yeah, there's there's a scene, there's a scene scene with body parts and jars in in science land. So that's what was coming. So. I would say when it comes to certain horror, OK. And like, I can do some things that are kind of out of the realm of, of, of the imagination. Like if, if I know without a fact that this absolutely cannot happen in my life ever, I, I'm pretty OK.

44:48 I can watch it. I I can do when it has to deal with something that can have a basis in reality, I tend to stray away from it. I the, the whole cannibalism thing with Anthony Hopkins and just seeing the clips of him over the years, 'cause you have to remember that came out when we were children. My mom didn't let me watch stuff like that, but I was still kind of see like commercials or stuff like that. Anthony Hopkins always scared the hell out of me when I saw him as Hannibal left. No, I can't. You know, I didn't, I didn't think about it like that. Yeah, we were children when that came out. Yeah, so there there's a a lot of those things like I that's one reason why I tend to stay away from like the really violent ghost stories because I do believe that ghosts exist and I'm like, yeah, you got vengeful spirits. Like, you know, I don't think I want to deal with that. So yeah, yeah, no, but but but when I saw the pickle jars, this.

45:54 Guy is creepy. Though and and then not only does she see like the body parts. All. Over the pickle jars, this motherfucker starts talking to her. I was done. I was done. I was like. Kind of reminded me of on Constantine when when he when the demon came after him, he lit the match and it was like faces and it was talking and it was just like pieces of skin and it was just, it was just gross. It's very Frankenstein ish. Yeah, see, this is, I just, I'm, I'm watching the grocery store scene now. So I just saw the woman Anthony was talking about where she tried to look at it. And then, yeah, see this guy, this guy, because he comes, he comes around the corner first and then he's behind her like right in the camera.

46:48 I was like, I can't do this. I cannot. Yeah, it's all core play. Oh, I see. I forgot about this. About the kids being on the cereal boxes. Oh, and then they close her in with Pickles on the other end. Child would have lost my gold mine. I don't know how she smashed. Right. And then this like this guy is just so creepy. Oh, and that's the thing, because he started doing the Penny wise walk tip toeing on from side to side. Why he? Had to side yeah. No, dude, you know what? Fuck you. I can't. No. This little girl. Reminds me of Heather Langenkamp who played Nancy. Yes, she does. Oh my God.

47:30 Oh, he's so nasty. Oh my God, in that jar. Oh my God. But. No, when they wrapped around her neck. You mean stick itself in her mouth? Listen, I will say, I will say. This was like another birth scene. Oh my God, he was all the jars that bothers. Me though that they did the hole in her mouth thing though, that kind of. I didn't like that. To me, that was way too over the top and very phallic. And I did not like that at all. That they were like, oh, let's stick it in our mouth. No, no, no, no, no. Don't do that to a child, please. That's, that's horrifying. Yeah, please stop. Doing that.

48:11 Yeah, I just, I thought that was a little much. That's all the interesting thing because I'm, I'm watching it now like she just left the cereal boxes and she's in the, she's in the aisle with all the pickle jars and stuff. So the, the cereal boxes, you have Maddie on the top row, then you have Teddy, and then you have Phil and his sister on the same box. Now as they start panning down, you start to see the faces right on the cereal box. Did you notice that everybody's face rotted except? For Phil's No, yeah, 'cause yeah, that's like.

48:52 Are you hinting at something? Is Phil going to be the next evil friend to bring death and destruction to her life? Because it was Maddie at first, so. Maybe. Phil. Maybe Phil is floating. Oh, Phil is floating. Down there it's. Floating they. All flirt float down there. You know, Phil, oh man, that scene was hard to watch. Man, I just, Oh my God, that was horrific. The thing crawling across the floor was that was that was stuff for nightmares.

49:32 And then it was the the color and the slime and just everything was just like, like you said, the stuff for nightmares. It was like, perfectly disgusting. When the hand came and held the head up I was like, Oh my God, that is too much. Yeah, was her dad. Was her dad's name Melvin? Because that's the name that's on the pickle jar. Oh, or was that the name of the the factory? Oh, could be. But yeah, this is this is. Yeah. OK, I forgot about this. You were talking about how the the tentacle thing bothered you because it didn't seem that the whole thing with her dad saying like give Daddy a kiss and licking the John.

50:15 I was like, oh so y'all are y'all are going to make it that way? Like, you know, I, I, and it's funny because ever since I, well, I mean, because it's a thing more now where it's really open about like, you know, especially with little girls about molestation and just how stuff looks and stuff. But ever since I saw the Nickelodeon thing about Dan Schneider and the children and how he used to have those babies, like even Ariana Grande, like all of them, all of them up and coming stars do stuff that was very phallic or hinted at, very sexual things. Now when I see stuff, I really pay attention. I'm like, oh, that, oh, that's a child.

50:56 And that was a little too much. And it just makes me run back to him. Like, is this what they're thinking when they see them? They playing this stuff? I know everybody doesn't think that way, but like, why would you have a go in her mouth? Like why would? That and even even with the little thing, when it's when it's crawling towards her and climbing up her legs, when he's coming towards her, when she screams, it's because he's sticking his tongue out at her. Trying to, trying to, Yeah, yeah, it's. Horrible. I like. It, it, it I think, I don't think they were trying to do like sort of a if they were trying to imply that maybe he was messed with her, then I would like that because that's a repeat of Beth.

51:41 Right we. We've already seen it. Right. Yeah. And you don't really. You don't really need to show us that in that kind of graphic way, I mean. Yeah, 'cause she's already horrified. Yeah, we're. Already horrified. We're already horrified. So you really don't need to do the additional stuff because even if you go that route and and if, if that is part of her trauma, you know, because I, I don't know, a lot of times when you hear about kids who have been molested by their parents or that sort of scenario, especially when we see it fictionalized, a lot of times those kids, they take that responsibility on themselves.

52:25 They, they blame themselves, you know, or for the adults actions because they don't know to think this dude is an adult, he should have better control. He should know right or wrong, whatever. No, the kids take that on themselves. So if they're going to go that way with this story, like again, we don't know what she dealt with in Jennifer Hill. We don't know what the other part of her trauma is. That could be a whole part of the reason why she feels guilty about her dad, because if he was abusing her, then maybe she felt thankful that he died and guilty at the same time. It's kind of like like an ease by you, you know, Megan, Megan Good's character.

53:10 So if they're going to bring that part of the story, OK, like you said it, that that trope has been over overly done. But unfortunately, again, this is 1962. That was happening a lot back then. Ann and dairy, apparently. But then it's like if you bring that story, if you actually physically bring that story, like show us something, I'm not going to think about the story that's in front of me now. I'm going to be thinking about that fucking pickle jar. And. And it's. Yeah, yeah, I. Mean now I'm starting to think. Now I'm starting to think that a lot of their child abuse was influenced by it.

53:50 By it, 'cause that's the thing about, like with Henry Bowers, was he, was he an abused kid, 'cause I can't remember now, it's been so long since I read the book, but was he abused and that's why he kind of was like the way he was? Physically abused yes, and I'm trying to remember if he was sexually abused. I mean, even if even even just the abuse in general, like you know, like that influence to to beat your kid or whatever, be angry at your kid all the time, you know? I think it was. I think Dad. Dad was an alcoholic. Dad had anger issues. I don't remember if mom was in the picture. Yeah.

54:32 So yeah, but that's a good point, Anthony. Like he could be influencing the way these parents act because that makes the kids more vulnerable and it makes them more. Open to. Right. Yeah, generations of scared, harmed people. Yeah. Oh, that's some scary stuff right there, man. But it's like, even without all of the, the, the trauma stuff, like Lily already has so much to deal with, you know, going away from the, the really heavy stuff, going back to some of the quote UN quote lighter stuff in the episode. I, I'm going to say this right now, the phantom hybrid podcast would like to negotiate with Pennywise.

55:18 Can we get back Phil or, or, or Teddy and give him Marge? Because when I say I do not like this little girl. Oh. My God, that is like online everybody. Like can you kill this? She is so. Horrible and and I. I get it. You're you're, you're, you're the, you're one of the kids that nobody really pays attention to. You're not really popular. You want to be in with all the popular girls. But it's like the way she's trying to go about it is so smarmy. Like, you come off the bus, they're having a conversation which clearly was not including you, and you keep trying to jump into the conversation, and then you make fun of someone else the same way these girls probably made fun of you at once.

56:11 Yeah. And. Probably still do. Right. And then, well, I mean, we saw that in this episode because once Patty started seeing that Marge was getting a little bit too much attention, then she starts turning on Patty. I mean, she starts turning on Marge. That is that's kind of what those those types of bully, bully leaders do. It's like, OK, yeah, you can have your little fun, but once it takes away from my shine from my employee group. Now I got to bring you down a notch to make you understand that you can't you know, you we see it all the time. And and the crazy thing is, at least with Patty, and I'm thinking about this because the same thing was with Angela and Stranger Things.

56:58 I'm rewatching Stranger Things, you know, the most recent season to prepare for the new season. Angela's the same way. It's like you're making fun of someone who is a little bit lesser than you or not as socially inept or whatever. But as soon as people start kind of breaking away from your grasp or your influence, then you got a you got to be a little more mean. But at least what people like Angela, people like Patty here in this show, you know, to expect that from those characters. So it's like, right. That because they're not really pretending to be anything else, She's not pretending to like Lily, you know? Yeah.

57:42 That she's allowing Marge to hang around. But that's because Marge is a sucker. And that's right. She likes suckers, you know? Right. But March, the way you go from trying to be in with the popular girls and then going back to your less popular friend and being like, oh, yeah, I just want to make sure you're OK. Well, you know, I saw you talking to Ronnie Grogan and you can't talk to her because of what happened. You know the Patty cakes, they really care about you and they they want you to be in with. I was like, bitch, if you don't shut Penny wise, where are you Penny? Wise where but I love that Lily was like grand can't buy them 'cause I got got something messing with my whole my whole life.

58:28 Like, everybody and Susie are dead, but damn about your pancakes, right? I was like, good. And then when she, you know, goes into the cafeteria and she's like trying to save her a seat when when Lily walked away from her, I said OK, good, good. But then she again, she starts doing this whole little mean girl stick and everybody starts laughing at her until Patty starts taking her down a notch. And I was like, you know what? Both of y'all can just like. Disappear float. Float. Float. Without kid characters, but some of these kid characters is like all Maddie wanted to do was go to the movies and get out of dairy 'cause he knew shit wasn't right. Yeah, why y'all gotta take the sweet kids? His life was a mess.

59:23 You know he he wouldn't hurt nobody, right? You, you, you want somebody to take the mean kids. They're more your still. Yeah. No, he needs he needs the mean kids. It's a cause of trauma. I know, I know. But I'm like when I say I'm so sick of Pat. It's only the second episode. I'm so sick of this girl. I'm so sick of her. And it sucks because that little sweet little baby boy wills little friend, I forget his name, he thinks she the most beautiful girl in the world. But I bet you she'll treat him like just total crap because of the Patty cake. He thinks she just the best thing since slice bread with her little bug out herself.

1:00:13 Do these glasses make my eyes look buggy? Yes yes they yes they did. Yes. What was the kids name that that befriended Will? I can't think of his name. It's. OK, I'm. Gonna have to go back and look but OK. So talking about Will. Or something. He's Hispanic of some sort, I think. Or yeah, I can't think. Which version 'cause I was trying to think if maybe he was a relative of one of the The Losers Club, but I can't that's. Let's see. Think. Talking about Will and let's go, let's go to Major Hand Hand because his wife and son arrive in town.

1:01:00 Now I'm a little conflicted on the wife. I'm gonna be I'm gonna be real upfront and honest about her. OK. On the one hand, I like that she's bold and I like that she doesn't take people bullying, you know, lying down like everyone else when when the other little kid was getting bullied, everybody else is just sitting there watching and she actually wants to try to stop it. I don't have a problem with that part, but for you to be someone new in town and you're automatically coming in with this strong personality, not knowing like you're not reading the room.

1:01:44 And I feel like she is. I feel like she's causing a little more attention than she needs to. She just. We can't we say she doing too much. She doing too much she. Doing too much. Because the whole thing, like, yeah, you go into the butcher shop and he said something about are you passing through? And she was like, well, I guess I do stand out. He was like, I've been here 30 years, I ain't never seen you before. That's all. I meant you. Know. Right. And he got a little a little bit offended by it. And I understand that because, yeah, you might be coming from Shreveport, you coming from the South, where things are a little more blatant with the racism. You are in a town where there are people who don't jive with that.

1:02:33 You know, the military. What was he, General? He's one of them. He was like, yeah, you know what? I know they did that shit to you. We, we don't fly with that here. There are some people who are not like everybody else. But she comes in and she just automatically makes that statement. And I was like, I just feel like she's itching for some trouble and just listening to what her husband said about her in that. Argument. Yeah, he was, he was like, yeah, you don't want to be starting shit like the, the brick in our car window in Shreveport. That, that that had nothing to do with me.

1:03:14 And I was like, oh, what are you doing? And then he said, you know, going into places where I'm not invited, which again, I don't have a problem with that. She's bald. She's taking a stand, but when you're sitting at the dinner table and you just cause the arguments and then you want to get mad because your child don't want to sit there and have dinner discussion. No, because the the. The the he got to survive the table is tense. Who Yeah, he got to survive. He got to survive in school and you about to go to his school and cause a rookie. And not only that, but still you talking about, look, we, we only get to come together one time a day. Is it too much for me to ask to, to sit around the table with my family when you're, when you're causing trouble? Yes, because guess what, just like y'all adults. And this is something again, 60s versus 2000s We, you know, we are learning that we can't just treat our kids like that. Like the, the way I, I remember just even me being as a, as a parent, my kids being slow to move in the morning, you yelling at them, come on, let's go da, da, da, da, da. Why would you want to start someone's day like that? Because that sets the tone for the entire rest of the day. Same thing at night.

1:04:29 You've had a stressful day, you've been at work, your child has been dealing with bullying at school, or maybe not bullying at school. Maybe he had a hard test, maybe he forgot his homework, maybe he had an argument with his friend, but whatever. When you come home at the end of the day, yes, that's a chance for you as a family to sit down and talk. But don't nobody want to hear drama and then be expected to sit there and be like, Oh yeah, mom, my first day at school was nice, blah, blah, blah, blah blah. Y'all were just arguing a couple of minutes ago. Oh, we're not arguing. That's just how we talk. Y'all have said it so many times that you sound like robots and you're doing it In Sync.

1:05:13 Something is wrong. With that picture. And she being disingenuous too 'cause she know her kid is smart. Yeah. She know he ain't a stupid child. No. They know he ain't a super child too. They know they. Know. Smart, but like like you said earlier, they're supposed to be seen and not heard. They're supposed they supposed to do what you tell them to do and be all you know nice and kid. And no like you said we have learned it don't work like. That. Yeah, like they they go through their stress too. Yeah. So basically, like, you know, this kid, he already had a rough day. And then your mom is saying, oh, did this happen to you? Did you get bullied? Because I saw what happened to this other kid.

1:05:55 Are they doing that to you? And why would he say yes? Because my thing is he handled it in his way, keeping his head down, go serve his little detention and he moved on. But he goes up in the school acting the fool. And then of course, then the teachers already who treat him badly because he's a black kid and. Now we'll be like. Right. And he showed up late, not that it was his fault, but they don't care. And then so they're looking at you and they're like, and then here come your Mama, right? You know and. He knows his mama's extra, right? He knows she's doing too much. Yeah. And like he like, Nah, you don't need to come up. Here, I mean, she literally asked him that after she said I got a mind to call that to call their Mamas. Excuse me, Mitchell, just come from the South. Who, white parents, are you about to call and go off and think that's going to be OK?

1:06:41 And, and, and second of all, who who she thinks she is is going to see me and tell all those teenage boys who are bigger than her to stop beating on that little kid. They're looking. At you like take AL. She she had lucky the boy got up and ran. Especially you knew these kids don't know you. Even if, Even if they aren't, let's just play devil's advocate. Even if these kids are not racist, even if their parents are not racist, you are an outsider. Like, yeah, growing up, us if we got in, if if, if my friend got in trouble and I was with her, I got in trouble from the friends Mama.

1:07:27 And then I had to come home and get in trouble with my Mama because there are people you knew. But this is people that knew me, people I grew up with, people who had a relationship with my parents. You know, the whole it takes a village to raise a child. That really was the case in the 70s and the 80s. We had that, that kind of mentality where the parents were like, oh, OK, well, if your children are playing on this side of the street, I'm looking out for them. But if they're playing on that side of the street you look out for, we had that. You are new in town. Don't nobody know who you are, whose phone you first of all, whose phone number you got that you bout to just pick up and call 'cause I say this, you might be bold or whatever.

1:08:15 You might not be scared. I bet you you're not about to go knock on none of these white folks door. Yeah, I mean I and I get it, like I get how her as a mom, she she probably did. She was well, I I know. So I actually know something from the new episode that makes me also feel like why she did what she did too. So I won't school that, but her I'll just use her as a mom. I feel like she so I'd like, which is why she asked her son did he get bullied because she saw it like, oh, this could be my kid. And I totally, I totally understand that. But I also know that you can't stop. You can't jump in the middle of everything 'cause you trying to help folks will get you killed and it will get people around you killed and.

1:08:59 Especially in 1960. Two, yeah, with nothing but white folks looking at you like lady, is you crazy? Right like that. You got a couple of people who were real nice to you in that town, but now you've made just you, you've made it known that you are, I don't want to say a troublemaker because she really was she was trying to stave off the trouble. But to that community, you're stirring up stuff. You you're putting your nose in business that don't that that it don't. Even begin and we kind of know something more about how it is influencing. Influencing, right? Everyone. So yeah, no one is paying attention to the kid getting bullied.

1:09:44 Like no one is paying attention to what's happening over there. So they, they all, of course, they all just walk about. She don't know that yet. She isn't the influence yet, but we know it's obvious that's what's happening. But but the other thing too is it might not even be that back then they really had that kind of mindset of what was it? The butcher said. Oh, boys will be boys then. You don't say this to this day. Yeah. So like handling when, when, when, when they came to and he was shaking his hand when the kid and the mom first came and he was like shaking his hand. He was like, is that all you got? Like in that mindset of like being a man, like is that all you got?

1:10:24 You know, and the little boy, he, he got it. He's smart. So he get, he popped off at the mouth with a little something, something, 'cause that's the way he handles things. But like, you could tell it's like, I want you to be a man, you know, be a man. And it's like, I don't know. 1962. 1962, they want you to not Yeah, little boy, get you get beat up, it's fine. Throw some dirt in it, it's fine. Right, right. It I mean that whole thing like, oh, that's just boys being boys. Oh, that's gonna teach you to be tough, you know, that sort of thing. So yeah, but the but like I said, the mom, I just I don't know, I feel like she gonna be a problem.

1:11:08 Yeah, she ain't being set up for success. She's not and, and you know, it's like, on the one hand, yes, I, I can understand. Again, if it's for your own child, I, I can understand you because this is where you coming from, you coming from a, a, a town and a, a area where will may not have been treated very well. He may have been bullied or whatever, but you coming into a whole new town, you are as she said. I guess you're not used to seeing people like me bit you are the token. Keep your mouth shut because other than that, you going you, you going to be targeted.

1:11:51 Oh, oh, oh, let me. OK, so the person who I live with lead to by marriage, is that on podcast night? But I know that she will say ma'am, ma'am, ma'am, you need to just be more careful because one, you're doing too much and 2:00, you got to read the room. They don't know you and you don't know them. And three, you need to stay your ass on the base. My wife said that several times. Why you? Why you not stay on the base? You, you don't find, she said. You don't.

1:12:32 They're going to find out real quick that things is not normal in there and used and used. He used to put his family on the base. Yep, Yep, at least for the first six months or so. Get to know the city and see see what it's like. I mean I understand she might not have too many options as far as if she don't like it she can go somewhere else with him being in the military but still get a feel for the place first. Especially since he was in Korea, so they weren't even together. He was overseas and she was in Louisiana. So it's not like, so you just brought her, brought them to that place and was just like, he's just, let's just move into this neighborhood. We don't know nothing about she.

1:13:18 She was bored and got caught up in all the activism in the South. He came home and they got bricks flying through the window and. You know, he could have also. Been up here? It could have also been a thing of them trying to reconnect. If he's been in Korea and she's been on the base with the child, maybe he was like, OK, you know what? Maybe we need our own space so we can so we can be a family of whatever, but still. Baby steps. Exactly, exactly, exactly. But you know, again, I got to say I don't know if being on the base is going to be a good thing for them either because one, your man already been jumped on the base.

1:14:04 Two, we find out in this episode, it wasn't exactly a random attack and it wasn't even it wasn't even masters. No, who we thought and who signed the confession. No, they were testing Hamlin because which? Yeah, they heard to get to this. They heard stuff about him. Apparently, when he was captured in Korea, he suffered a brain injury that damaged his. I can't hippocampus. His. I think it's his. I'm of yes, the the one that starts with the AI.

1:14:48 Can't think of what it's called amygdala. Yes, that amygdala. So basically this man has No Fear. And we saw kind of evidence of that because I mean, if you think about it, when they came to fight him, when they came to jump him, he wasn't scared. He got up and he just started, He started scrapping. When he went to go see Masters in the jail cell, there was something about us, a specific type of weapon that was used, which was a Russian weapon that as he says, not too many people can handle this type of weapon. It takes about, you have to be really, really skilled in order to load it and, and you do it with two hands. And he said, whoever did this, they they did this in 10 seconds.

1:15:32 And Masters, I read your files. You ain't capable of this. You ain't capable. So he literally puts the gun in front of Masters and then insults Masters to the point where he knows Masters is going to pick up the gun and try to shoot him. And the whole time Masters is doing that, he's just looking at him like, is it time for lunch yet? So. The man didn't even flinch. Didn't flinch, didn't look. He can't be afraid slightest. So even if he thought he could do it, he wasn't going to be afraid of him no matter what. No SO. Bring up about before you get to that go ahead so the what could you were saying how like the the general and all them was all like yeah, we don't do that on this base. That's not how we do it.

1:16:23 But I get the feeling that black people with special skills don't get treated badly is what I get. I feel like with Dick Halloran, 'cause he got The Shining and this guy got this anti fear whatever, they're special to them and that's why they get what they get. Because I really feel like, I don't know, I, we'll see. But I don't trust that they are just not racist or they're just not, you know, I feel like it's 'cause they're special. So just throwing it. Out there, yeah. Yeah, I can get that. I mean, I I figured if he has ulterior motives, he's got something that they need to get done, and he didn't care what race they are because they can get him what he wants.

1:17:12 Yeah. This guy can fly. This this experimental B52, then I want him. He didn't. He didn't care that he's black. Yeah. Yeah. It's like you said, it's important what you can do. Yeah. And then the whole thing about him having No Fear comes out. He was like, yeah, so that was a test because Hamlet has already figured it out. He was like, this was a setup, y'all had these people come in and beat me. And of course handling this thinking is because of something else. He is thinking it's a race thing. And dude was like hold up, hold up. He was like I know how it looks, but give me about 10 minutes to explain and then if you want to, if you don't, you know, if you don't understand, you don't believe me, then you can go file the paperwork. I won't stop.

1:17:59 So apparently this has to do with what they have Dick Howrin working on this special project that gets this man back on base drunk with No, like, I don't think we even talked about that. Was that this episode where he he goes out, he got he goes out with some friends, they get drunk and they come back to the base and you know, you have your little white soldier come out. Oh, you guys are drunk. Y'all gonna be in trouble, we're gonna put you in the break, blah blah blah blah blah. And Dick is like, I, I'm going to need you to call this in because I got special privileges.

1:18:40 But my name is Dick Halloran. So the dude is looking at him like, whatever. So he makes the phone call, and you can clearly hear the other side of the phone. He was like, yeah, some guy hollering. Dick Halloran. He's a soldier. Do you want to lose your job? No, Sir. You let that man in right now. Yes, Sir. Yes, Sir. And he messed them in. I was like, what the Dick Cameron doing? Well, apparently they are looking for a weapon again, this is 1962. This is before the Cuban Missile Crisis. So, so everything that they're talking about is kind of leading up to that.

1:19:23 They are looking for a weapon that will help them, as they say, cut off the Cold War before it even starts. And Dick is one of the people that is helping them because apparently he is using his ability. He's telling them that they are digging for something. And one of the officers comes up to him and he was like, look, this is the fifth dig site that we've been on. We ain't found shit. I think whatever you had that was special about you was fading. And Dick is like, no, we're close, we're close, so whatever. It is they're looking. For. Come on now, you didn't know spoiler what they looking for. We know what they're looking for.

1:20:03 They're looking for it. Look, people who might not know. Please, there is not a person who doesn't, who even doesn't know what penalize it is, doesn't know what it is. This is a prequel. We know what they're looking for. They're looking for it. Well, they know what they're looking for, but I think some of the IT is, again, it's kind. Of they have a vague, they have a vague idea of what they're looking at. Yeah, and I. Think his that's also on a need to know. I said, I think that's also on a need to know basis like maybe the top brass know, but like some of the, some of the the lower folks they might know we're looking for something important.

1:20:45 But you don't trust that information to everybody just because they're working there on site, you know? Because I don't think they know exactly what it is. He just knows that it has something to do with with fear. That's all he knows. Yeah, yeah. They but they. But he probably feels like they'll know more once they find. It right and that's what they're bringing in handling for because he was like I need a guy like you to go find this thing because whatever this weapon is it generates fear and the best way to get it is to send somebody with No Fear and I was like yeah y'all gonna send them in to die 'cause he has no he has No Fear of death so. First, first of all, you know, thanks to Glenn Thurman, we know he don't die.

1:21:29 And thanks to The Shining, we know they don't die. Yeah, everybody up until The Shining. Well, up until the. Well, yeah. Yeah, the movie anyway. The movie anyway. Yeah, but we know everybody else is fair game. Fair game, yes. Everybody else, those are the only two we know for sure. Yeah. Well, and Teddy's older brother. Yes, yeah, 'cause he's, yeah, he's staying you're he's staying standing. There. Yeah. And that's one of the things you. Know Sis. With Dick, some of them were in The Shining. He tells them that he had a story when he was in the in the army and he saved somebody.

1:22:11 I can't remember who it was, but that's he just knew that the something was going to happen and he saved somebody while there was on base or something like that. And I wonder if that's how he ended up in this position where they know he got the Shining. You know what I mean? Like, I feel like that's where that comes from. Well, how they could tie him into this is because of that, because there's something to do with him being in the Army and him having the Shining. And he knew something happened. And then something about his brother. I forget. It's been so long, but yeah. I'll tell you what it made me think of. It made me think of Starship Troopers. What's his name? Oh God, why can't I think his name? Which one?

1:22:54 Did I make his character? Oh, Neil. Patrick Harris OK, psychically controlling one of the other people. Yeah, to. Find the bug that I'm sorry, he just made me think of that. That's so. Adam loves that movie. I know I was thinking about that. I was thinking about that movie today because most of the cast were at Rhode Island Comic Con this past weekend. And I really wanted to go because I was like, Oh my God, they're all here, and I couldn't go. But anyway. But yeah, so. So they bring handling out to this this site where they're digging. And it just so happens that as they're bringing him there, they've made a discovery.

1:23:40 OK, But it's not what we're thinking. If we're thinking that they're looking for it. They pull out a Jeep that's been buried in mud. I completely buried and it has like 7 skeletons on the. Inside a lot of bodies. A lot of bodies, a lot of bodies. So yeah, that that's not Pennywise, but. It's. Giving something off 'cause he he found it. He does, yeah. Whatever it is, it's connected. I feel like, yeah, based on the on the way they were talking, I feel like when he has he hits whatever he hits, there's residuals of whatever, Pennywise says like left behind, and that's what he's detecting. OK, yeah.

1:24:32 But yeah, so my whole thing is, and I understand y'all are trying to, you're trying to avoid war, you're trying to find a weapon that's going to give you the upper, upper hand. But another thing is stop going digging for shit that you don't know what you're digging for. I mean, like I'm thinking about the money. Stop going digging for stuff. Don't. Read from the book. Ground. How about that? Why are you going digging for stuff?

1:25:12 Especially if you. Have an idea of the potential for damage that this thing can do I mean I and I get it military war, you're looking for the upper hand I get it but one thing about being in the military and war and all of that stuff it really I feel like and I I'm really not trying to be insulting but I think when you get to a certain point where you're only thinking about the power and what you can accomplish with it it. Makes men stupid. It really does. Because. If this is something that you know, generates fear to the point where you have to go find a man who is medically unable to feel fear, that should worry you just a little bit, yeah.

1:26:09 And then just not only that, but like. You know, could you think? About like they created the. Atomic bomb and all this stuff. They you I'm like, so you create this guess what, somebody else just going to create the same thing and come after you. So it just never ends. So yeah, they find this one thing that they think is going to end, but then I'll is it just going to spread it everywhere over time or, you know, like you said, you you create an atomic bomb, OK. Yeah, fine. Somebody's going to make something better, right? And bigger and more destructive. So. Yeah, I just, that whole thing just kind of gets to me because.

1:26:52 It's like. You literally are asking for disaster. You're asking for trouble. You are asking for it and it's to the point where if you are making these kinds of decisions, trying to one up somebody trying to, I don't even want to. I don't even. Know if I want to say you're trying to? Stop war because. Something with that kind. Of potential, you're not going to stop war. You're, you're going to have the mindset of, oh, let's strike first while we can, because, because we can. Yeah, there's no stopping war. You you just want to be the one to start shit and the worst on the receiving people who you're.

1:27:35 Going to war with the. Worst they come back after your butt. I mean, for the most, I mean, like, like, yeah, I mean, that's how Harbor and Hiroshima, yeah, that's how we got the Nazis to begin with is. Because of how crazy I mean. Obviously there were things that need to be done, but they they sanctioned and and did so much to Germany and they were able to come back with Hitler because those people were at their last. They were destitute. They were. Desperate. They were desperate. And so Hitler came with a good idea. And they were. Like, let's go he. Promised them some stuff or not a good idea, but you know, I get what. You're saying a good idea to them? To them. Right, he made promises.

1:28:17 Right, he. Did he did and so. Oh well, we. We can't get no worse than where we at. You know, look at what they did to us. We, you know, like come on, it happened. What else that happened also with what else did that happen? That the same thing right now? Oh, I'm sorry, did I say that out loud? Child, but yeah, so you just. You know, I remember like with the with over there in Afghanistan and stuff and stuff, whatever, that stuff happened, what, in the late 70s, early 80s with the weaponry and all that stuff. And then what did we get later into in the early 2000s?

1:28:59 Like this stuff, it has consequences. People just, yeah, you know, I don't know. I mean, I'm not. A I'm not a word person. I don't know what. How to make it better? How to make war more efficient so that people don't come back. But I remember this from Donnie Brasco. They said you always kill your enemy and make sure they're obliterated, because if you don't and you leave somebody behind, they going to come back and get you. They don't come back. That's all I'm saying, Yeah. But my. Thing is, y'all are put. Y'all are pulling jeeps full. Of bodies out of the mud. That somebody with some supernatural abilities.

1:29:39 Yeah. Found. As I say, I don't think. It was a Jeep I think it it looked like. It looked like a really nice car. I think it was like a Cadillac, yeah, or something, something like that. Like that? Yeah. But. It had. It had. So I at first thought it was going to be the. Car with the. Family at first 'cause I was like I did too. Is this the IT car? With the family. In it but then they were talking about the bodies and I was like I don't know. But she said she saw a Tommy gun so she cause. You know, Oh, OK, dancers. That came. And the townspeople killed them all. Yeah.

1:30:23 They must have buried the car. Oh yeah. Yeah, OK. Yeah, I'm going to have to reread. That book, Yeah. And I didn't freeze. Frame so I took the word for it to saw Tommy. Gun. So all right, OK. Oh, you know what? There was a Tommy gun 'cause if it was. Laying across the sea when they were had to OK no, you're she. Yep, there was there was Emily. OK, Yep. So I guess we'll see. But either. Way it goes. Y'all y'all unearthed in some. Shit y'all probably should have left buried something is the best left. Buried especially.

1:31:04 In dairy I see. I see aunt. Found the little boy's name. Rich. Rich. Yeah, his name is Rich because I was looking at the IMDb. And I'm like, oh, I got to make sure I look at these. Little babies names. And stuff because. Yeah, did we, did we leave anything off? I think we got a good thing. I feel like yeah. I'm glad. I'm glad we. Got the gross stuff out the way. And, and now we, we could kind of, we, we've mellowed out a little bit. I mean, this stuff is still weird. You pulling bodies out the ground and yeah, you, you got somebody finding bodies supernaturally and it's just, it's a lot going on.

1:31:56 But yeah, I'm I'm have to watch this third episode cause the way y'all talking about it, I'm I don't know, don't know. It's just I definitely, yeah, I like, I don't know, I like this episode. I thought it was interesting. Now I did hear, I did see something in one of the groups that I'm. In they were talking about. I think somebody made a comment about them appropriating. Something because. Apparently they're trying to say the Orisha aren't involved, so yeah, but.

1:32:40 Yeah, it's it's. It's it's more. Like they didn't really put. Like the whole. Thing to it and so you have to you have to have the whole situation to I feel like they just immediately was just angry in general on behalf of the black of the diaspora of you know you know our our methosen or whatever but they got to remember that it's it's a it's a bunch of people that fall under a lot of that it's a lot of mixture with a lot of different religions from you know Africa from you know yeah so and so yeah I don't think they meant it to be that way 'cause OK it's it's hard to say without spoiling you on why they said that OK well. I see it you'll.

1:33:27 See what I mean? Yeah. Yeah, this one makes sense. And then we'll talk about it. Yeah. So. You guys have anything final to say about this episode besides I don't ever need to see another? Child bursting in TV ever. Or, you know, pickle tentacles. I don't need to see that ever again. So yeah, OK. The only other thing I'm going to say is this weekend, November 14th through 16th is Conjuration Time here in Atlanta. That is a three day fantasy convention that we have all attended for the last several years and we will be there again this weekend. We will be doing lots of panels.

1:34:09 Dina will be on some of those panels with us and she will also be doing some game show panels with some other friends of ours if you are interested. If you're in Atlanta and want to have some geeky fun, come join us. You can find information on the website conjurationcon.com or you can go to the Phantom Hybrid website. Yes, I'm reeling the man. Come have fun with. Us it's a it's a great. Time we're going to do panels, we'll have games. They have lots of entertainment. We will have a wicked theme ball this year. So yeah, come out, have some fun with us. Check out our details on phantomhybrid.com.

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