IT: Welcome to Derry (Season 1 Episode 2) - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #383

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What's up, hybrids?
Welcome back to another episode

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of the Phantom Hybrid podcast.
This is Hanukkah and I'm here

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with Anthony and Dina and we are
discussing episode 2 of it.

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Welcome to dairy.
So I know I said for the first

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episode that I don't know how
they can get even more like

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grotesque in this show.
Yeah, I I think it's it's almost

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like they're competing with the
boys, like, oh, this is what we

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did in the last episode.
Let's top it off with this.

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I I don't even know where to
start.

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I.
Big ginormous mutant baby

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there's.
Nowhere else to start.

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OK, so yes, let's start there.
Because as if we didn't see

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enough of this mutant baby in
the last episode, they had to

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replay the final scene at the
beginning of this first episode.

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I'm like, do we really need to
watch these babies be torn apart

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again?
Because I think in the last

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episode I don't recall seeing
and hearing the mutant baby

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chomping Susie's arm off.
But you definitely heard that

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shit in this.
One, Yeah, yeah.

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They made sure we knew.
Like, oh, this is how that

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happened, how she ended up.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And then you know what makes it
even creepier 'cause they always

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do this jump with these theme
songs where they're like sweet

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little 50 sounding.
So these babies just got ate up

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and now we like, don't do that.
We gonna talk.

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We gonna talk about that theme
song.

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We gonna talk about it.
But yeah, when when they started

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the episode off and I saw the
mutant baby, I was like, OK, so

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really, y'all about to try.
Like it's not enough that you

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traumatized us in the last
episode.

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You're like, oh, by the way,
we're going to give you a

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reminder.
Like that's the recap I don't

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think anybody needed.
Like we knew, we remember very

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well, very visually, what
happened at the end of that last

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episode.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
And then like you said something

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about like when you see it, and
I think they did show it to us

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from a couple of different
perspectives in the in the

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beginning of this episode.
But like when you see the baby

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come down and he's looking at
Lily and then you see him

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literally go down to the floor
and you hear the crunch.

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I was like what the fuck are
y'all doing to us?

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Yeah, to this little little
baby, not even one of the big

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kids, this is.
Right.

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Like I don't, I didn't need that
sound effect in my head.

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I really didn't.
I'm going to tell you I I really

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like this show, but it is trying
my patience because y'all know I

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do like horror, I don't like
gore, I just don't.

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And.
This is really pissing it.

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Yeah, yeah, 'cause I mean, when
you think of the the original 1,

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like the most gory parts was
just the excessive amount of

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blood, which was just red.
And then the when they're at the

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dinner table and their all their
food starts turning into weird

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eyeballs and weird stuff.
But there was no real like gore

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in the original.
So yeah, it's pretty gross,

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yeah.
There was no chomping of babies

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arms.
No.

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And there were no flying babies
with even smaller babies on

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their shoulders.
There was no dramatizing

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childbirth reenactment.
For the second time.

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Listen.
What?

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What?
Do these?

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What do these writers have
against childbirth?

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What is the?
Issue.

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Why do we feel the need?
Is there anything more traumatic

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that can, that can just like,
imprint itself on your eyeballs?

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Been a traumatic, grotesque,
horrific, terrifying childbirth.

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You know what's funny about
that?

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That is one of the things about
Game of Thrones and House of the

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Dragon.
That was a huge thing,

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traumatizing births and women,
you know?

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Yeah.
But you're not.

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On the one hand, yes, I feel
like it's too much.

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But on the other hand, I really
feel like it's a little more,

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maybe not this particular
version, but it's a little bit

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more realistic because when we
watch TV and when we watch media

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and we're seeing scenes of
childbirth or whatever, they

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kind of romanticize it.
You know, you have the the women

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and they're pushing and then
they get the baby and the baby

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is already all nice and cleaned
up and looking at them and it's

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just such a beautiful
experience, which yes, it can

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be, but there's.
That's not hold on, that's

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that's not my experience, 'cause
I watched a lot of ERA, lot of

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private practice.
Well, that's different 'cause

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you're talking about medical.
Dramas.

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So it's going to be different.
It's going.

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To show, Yeah, those are all
traumatic.

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And in the last traumatic
childbirth, Michelle just

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watched Unbreakable again.
And Mr. Glass's childbirth, you

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didn't see it, but we saw saw
that afterwards.

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Yeah.
That's traumatic, but like in

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older shows, you don't really
see the the traumatic side of it

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because that's one thing people
need to understand.

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Like childbirth can be
dangerous.

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You know it, it's not all, oh,
all you have to do is push and

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you make it.
Oh, you're doing so good.

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No, sometimes it is life and
death.

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And that's one thing that we
learned in this particular

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episode with Ronnie's mother,
because, you know, the whole

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first episode, we only saw her
father and her grandmother.

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We never saw a mention of a mom.
So I figured either mom skipped

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out or mom past.
Now we find out in this episode

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her mom actually died in
childbirth giving birth to her.

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Or at least that's the
implication.

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I don't know if that's actually
the case, but I'm assuming

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without how how grotesque this
thing happened, that's probably

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what it was.
Didn't.

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She say you killed me.
Yes, she said.

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You ripped me open.
You ripped a.

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Plan on her guilt, which she you
know, it's sad because you're a

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child.
You only get that guilt because

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people tell you that you killed
your mom basically like that,

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Like 'cause how else would you
know?

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You know what I mean?
Or, you know, she, she died

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giving birth to you.
It's like you're not necessarily

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blaming the child, but you're
still saying it in a way that

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the child might take that on,
you know, You know?

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But.
Yeah, but when I say when, when

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she got in the bed, first of
all, the whole conversation with

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like, her dad and her
grandmother, because basically

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what's happened in the episode
is as we thought, because it

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would happen at their place, his
place of work.

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And she was the one who let the
kids in.

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Her dad is under suspicion for
having something to do with the

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deaths of Teddy, Stan and Susie.
And the weird thing is, so they

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hint to us a little bit about
how they were found, which means

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they didn't find any bodies.
They found a lot of blood.

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So again, it's one of those
things where you don't have, all

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you have is the blood, but you
don't have proof that they're

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actually dead.
But they're just going ahead and

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saying, OK, where there's all
this blood, they're dead.

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But what happened to the bodies?
I don't know what they asked

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Ronnie and Lily or how they
asked them, because obviously

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the two girls are still walking
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They're still going to school,
so.

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But also where what happened to
the hand, the whole arm this

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child had in her hand?
So like, I just wonder, like so

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they really think that while she
was holding this girl hand that

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this man came and just chopped
this baby's arm while she was.

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Holding.
I'm thinking, I'm thinking when

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she dropped it and then ran out
that it came and got it.

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It must have cause 'cause they
said no body parts were found.

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There are no body parts.
So.

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That's the same.
Yeah, so of course everybody's

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thinking the black man did it,
the man who, you know, of course

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they're not saying it in those
many words because you do have

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some people who are kind of
like, I just don't see it.

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Like even the first cop, when
they're discussing it in the

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car, he was like Grogan real.
Like I wouldn't have, I wouldn't

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have thought that.
And then, of course, you know,

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when you're talking to someone
who has a different opinion and

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you don't want to seem like, Oh,
I'm disagreeing with you, you're

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going to start going along with
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And that they start making it
into a little jokey joke thing,

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which I was like, Oh, there's a
lot of y'all in this episode

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cause Mars does the same thing.
But you know, they're, they're

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blaming it on, on him, he and
his mother having disagreements

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about how to handle the whole
thing.

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And then, of course, Ronnie is
feeling her own sense of guilt

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because, oh, she was the one
that took them there and they

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died, like her grandmother
saying all out loud, like, well,

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she should never taken taken
them in the first place.

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So basically, you're telling
this girl this is her fault.

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Yeah.
You know, and then she the

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grandma was so she has like 0
compassion.

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Send that girl to school.
What?

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Here's here's the thing.
OK, so here we got we got to go

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into our little Gen.
X-Files.

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This is what, the 1960s?
This is black parenting in a

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racist world.
She's trying to teach her.

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OK.
Were you not going to let these

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white people talk you down?
You're not going to let them

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scare you off?
I mean, I get it.

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But at the same time, it's like,
you know, looking at it from our

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lens, our current lens, it's
just kind of like, what are you

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doing?
Yes.

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You you talking about the dad.
He he babies her to.

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Excuse me?
She just watched friends of hers

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or kids that she knows her own
age being torn apart.

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She might need a little baby.
Same thing with Lily's parent.

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At the end, when she goes
through her stuff and her mom is

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dropping her back off at the
asylum, she is pleading with her

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Mama.
Please don't send me there.

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Her mother is looking at her
like, I don't have time to deal

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with you.
What?

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And I have 'cause she already
watch stuff like this.

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I have to keep in my mind I'm
like, OK, 1960s, different time,

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different mindset.
Like they didn't take

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responsibility for that type of
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They were like, oh, you're going
a little crazy.

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We're going to send you to the
asylum with lobotomize you.

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We're going to let them shock
treatment you.

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We're going to let them do
whatever and fix you instead of

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getting to the root of the
problem like.

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Because it was already like
really messed up how she had

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treated her when she was like,
you're not the only one that

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that's going through some stuff.
And I'm like, but you're the

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adult and she's the child who
feels guilty for killing her

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dad.
Like, yeah, that was your

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husband and you lost your
husband or whatever.

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But like, you're an adult who
has a child who feels completely

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tied to this tragedy.
And she's just like, you're not

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the only one.
And I was like.

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Yeah, basically like the the
version of you put on your big

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girl panties and deal with it.
Yeah, this is a.

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Child.
This is a child, and now she's

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compounding trauma on top of
trauma on top of trauma because

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you're dealing with the
aftermath of your father's

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death.
Then you're dealing with the

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aftermath of this kid that you
were friends with disappearing

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and his finger talk, you know,
coming up through the drain and

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talking to you through the
drain.

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And then you literally just saw
three other children ripped

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apart.
And I I don't mean that like,

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just figuratively.
Yeah.

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Literally watch them get ripped
apart.

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Yeah.
And then you got to go through

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all this other stuff and then
people are just looking at you

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like oh she crazy we going to
send her to the South.

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Do y'all not understand what
this child just went through?

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Why?
No, they don't.

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Why am showing?
They already think she's crazy

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and and like you say, you have
to take it into the context of

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the time period they're in.
You know, you can't.

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First of all, first we have to
deal with, we already have to

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deal with it altering people's
brain chemistry first.

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Of all.
Then secondly, we have to deal

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with the culture and society the
way it was during that time.

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Like the girl is crazy to them.
She really used to be locked up

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somewhere because whatever was
going on after her father's

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death, whatever got her put in
Juniper Hill, everybody knows

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about it.
There's a small town, so she was

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imagining, you know, her
father's parts in pickle jars.

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You know, if she was freaking
out every time she saw a pickle

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jar, yeah, they're going to
think something is wrong with

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her.
So if she comes with this story

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and tells them this stuff, of
course they're going to think

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she.
So she's not going to say

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anything because she don't want,
right?

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I.
Already think she's crazy.

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She's really they Looney Lily.
Looney Lily.

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Yeah, you know.
So sad though.

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Yeah, it is.
You would think they have more

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compassion, but come on now.
We we grew up.

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I know.
Without parents, Yeah.

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You talk about in the 60s,
compassion for a kid.

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Yeah, No, we seen and not heard.
Yeah.

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And it was worse for them then.
Yeah, yeah.

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'Cause these are literally our
parent.

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Well, almost like our parents.
Yeah, yes, by 10, by 1013 years

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removed.
Yeah, it really, they really

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were.
But let me tell you, going back

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to the monster birth, 'cause I
mean, that's how we monster we

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we deal with monster babies.
We deal with monster births.

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Where Ronnie is sitting in this
bed.

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First of all, she looks at the
picture of her mom and, you

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know, wedding day picture, and
then she put the covers over her

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head.
Immediately I was like, no,

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that's the wrong move.
That's the wrong move.

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You don't want to do that.
When the bed starts stomping.

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I didn't even think about it
being a heartbeat until I

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realized she couldn't get out of
the sheet.

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And then I was like, is she
inside the monster?

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Then it starts getting weird
because she's got all the the

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the I guess it's supposed to be
like the amniotic fluid and and

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all this stuff is falling on her
face and that's gross enough.

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OK, y'all could have stopped
there.

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I would have gotten the gist.
We would have been good.

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But no, no, you got the stuff
falling on her.

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You had the bed filling up with
with water, which is supposed to

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be the amniotic fluid.
Then you see the red on the

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sheets and I was like, OK, this
is about to get interesting when

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she starts pushing and starts
pushing with her feet.

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That's when it clicked to me.
I was like, is this thing about

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to give birth to her?
But I still wasn't expecting

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what I saw.
Yeah, when she.

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When when we are in somebody's
bedroom at night.

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Welcome to dairy he coming for.
You yeah, he coming he.

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Coming.
He coming and and not in a

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pleasant way, like in the most
horrific way possible.

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Like I, I thought, I'm trying to
think what was the I think up

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until this point, me remembering
one of the reasons why I don't

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fool with Nightmare on Elm
Street.

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The first one, I think it was
the first one when Johnny Depp

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fell asleep in the bed.
He got pulled into the bed and

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then the next thing you know is
just a geyser of blood coming

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out.
I thought that was like over the

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top.
No, no.

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Yep, that's it.
Because when?

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When I saw the umbilical cord,
yes.

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She when she got pulled out and
she she came out, I was like,

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OK, then you hear the noise and
she turned around and I looked I

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was like, are those in that?
What am I looking at here?

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Like I, I, I'm sorry, Anthony, I
freeze frame.

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I paused it and I was like, oh,
this is not about to be good.

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Then when her mom's head popped
up, you know what?

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I need to go fix me some coffee.
I don't think I'm ready to deal

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with this quite yet.
Listen, I think I said in the

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last episode I don't know who
writes this stuff.

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Y'all need help.
See professional help.

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Go to Juniper Hill, I got.
Spoiled on it because David who

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gave you Apollo, he was like how
did they convince that girl's

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parents to let her film this
scene with this bang through

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this umbilical cord and like and
I was just like, you know that's

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a good point like these kids
these are I mean they're older

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than they're appearing on screen
but like that's a lot like I got

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a bike like a fake em oh.
I think I saw an interview with,

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I want to say it was made the
act, the actor who plays Major

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Hanlon, and he was talking about
a scene the the episode hadn't

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aired yet, so he couldn't say
what scene it was, but he was

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talking about.
Yeah, he said there are some.

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No, it wasn't him.
It was the guy who's playing the

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Dick Halloran.
Yes.

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And he was saying, he said these
kids these days, he said there's

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a scene.
He said, I don't want to give it

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away, he said, but the acting
that this act, he he said shit

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and then he stopped and said
that this actor had to do in the

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same 'cause he was trying not to
say which kid it was, right.

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He said the acting that they did
in the scene, he was like, they

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were just committed.
And when you watch the scene,

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it's like, Oh my God, that child
is going to have nightmares for

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the rest of their life.
And he was like, but they are so

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good.
He was like, oh, to be a young

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actor and to be that good again.
So like what?

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I don't know, like I just, I
don't know, like I've always

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been freaked out about kids and
horror movies and like, how did

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like, 'cause you know, and then
you've been hearing your like my

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whole life I've been hearing
about little the little baby

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Heather O'Rourke from
Poltergeist, Poltergeist or

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dying and stuff.
Like, so there's always some

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kind of, you know, The Exorcist
with Linda Blair.

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Like, I don't know how these
kids live normal lives after

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shooting this for months.
And back in the day it was

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longer than in a few months, you
know, when they used to shoot

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stuff.
So I don't know how these kids

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go on to the next thing and
they're fine.

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There's a reason why I'm not an
actress.

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I I can't do it.
No, no.

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Woo.
Child no.

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But for her to have to play that
fear and then get spit out and

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then she turns around and her
mom and then she was like you

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tore me apart.
All I wanted to do was hold my

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baby when she put her arm.
Out No.

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No, no, no.
I'm sorry, but they go back to

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the the umbilical cord when when
she was pulling and then the

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mouth.
Yes, that's what I was just

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doing.
The mouth was like was like

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Seymour from a little shop
before.

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No, she was pulling in umbilical
cord.

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Yeah, Yeah, you're right.
How do you tell?

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How do you tell a child?
OK.

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So it's going to be pulling you
and for you to get away, you're

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going to have to bite through
the umbilical cord.

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I, I, I and that made a gunky.
It was junkie.

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It was like, I'm sure it was
probably some kind of candy or

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some kind of vegetable or
something that the, yeah, some

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jealous thing probably.
But still, it's like to have to

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have that kind of imagery in
your head so that you can play

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that fear just right.
And she did a phenomenal job

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with that scene.
Oh yeah.

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Absolutely phenomenal.
But Oh my God, that is probably

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one of the worst things I have
ever seen on TV.

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Yeah, it's pretty.
I wonder how much of that was

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was practical and how much was
digital.

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Was CGI.
Yeah.

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Look, I'll look it.
I'll look it up because I know

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somebody did an interview.
I would look it up and let you

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know when we discussed the
episodes because.

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That was the stuff of nightmares
right there.

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Yeah, yeah.
Like the whole thing, because

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like being in that huge, like
waterbed, basically you're

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inside a huge waterbed like no,
no, and.

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She's screaming while she's
while she's enveloped in this

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fluid and she's got stuff
falling on her, falling in her

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mouth and can.
We move on to the next.

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Scene Oh yeah, 'cause we got
Pickles and body parts to talk

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about.
But it just, oh, and then of

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course, you know, she screams
and her dad comes in and there's

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nothing there.
I was just like, I would be the

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one to be like, take me to
Jennifer Hill now take me, Just

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walk me up.
Take me because.

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Because after that, how do you
go back to that bed and sleep

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again?
Yeah, that's my thing.

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Never You.
You can sit here and you can

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talk.
You you can probably convince

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yourself that, oh, that wasn't
real or whatever.

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How do you go back and sleep in
that same bed?

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Because I got.
The one the one thing one thing

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about dairy kids is they are,
well, I was going to say they're

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resilient, but they're highly
edible too, so.

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Bro, no, but like, remember how
we talked about in the, I don't

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know if we said this on video or
we talked about it beforehand,

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but remember how we was talking
about how the Losers Club ain't

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got nothing on these kids
because he came with it with

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these kids versus how he did the
Losers Club?

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It's a whole different level.
Yeah, 'cause I.

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Don't know, I I know we're not
talking about the next episode,

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but he his tastes have refined
because he was even more

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horrified.
Yeah, don't tell me 'cause I

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haven't seen it yet.
I'm I was trying to wait till we

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talked about this one before I
watched it but.

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Just wait.
Just wait.

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It's so good, though.
I actually really enjoyed it.

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Yeah.
So like, all these kids are like

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1516 and they just look like
babies for the most part, you

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know?
But they they are pretty

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resilient though, so I'm sure
she'll be fine.

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I was going.
To say they got.

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To be she kind of, I mean, first
of all, she, her and Lily are

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still freaking out.
Like they haven't stopped

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freaking out.
They're walking around, still

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freaking out.
But the thing with that was too,

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and I, I think one, I think for
Lily is because she's had that

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experience before, people
looking at her, gawking at her,

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calling her crazy and stuff.
So she knows what she should and

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shouldn't do.
And I think she's got another

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mask.
Right, right.

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That's what I'm saying.
She knows.

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Ronnie is physically, visually
freaking out.

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Yeah, but, but even not to that
point because, again, this is a

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this is a black child whose
family has probably gone through

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all kinds of stuff and she
probably has it in her head like

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her grandmother.
OK, you know what?

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Go to school, hold your head up
high.

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Don't make these people think
that, you know, and and she's

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like, she's dealing with it.
She is freaking out, but I think

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she's also dealing with it
because she's also thinking, I

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don't want to give them anything
else to talk about.

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I don't want to give them
another reason to point their

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finger at my daddy.
Like that's her whole thing.

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She knows that what happened to
Teddy and and Phil, Phil and

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Susie, not her dad.
She knows that it was something

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that can't be explained, but she
also knows the weirder she acts

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or the more she says anything
about that, they're going to

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point, they're going to point
the fingers at her dad.

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But on the flip side of that,
like I understand she wants her

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dad to be exonerated.
She wants them to know her dad

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had nothing to do with this.
Because in the middle of the

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episode, they do go arrest her
dad after the cops has, you

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know, they they say something
and basically manipulate Lily

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into implicating him.
But the thing that got me in

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again, I know that these are
children.

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They're not thinking about
things in an adult way.

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The fact that she is so angry at
Lily, when Lily is like, look,

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I'm trying.
I have to protect myself.

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Nobody else is here standing up
for me.

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If I say what I saw that night,
they're going to stick me back

448
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,120
in Juniper Hill, and I cannot go
back there.

449
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,000
And here's the thing.
We don't know what she went

450
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,720
through in Juniper Hill.
Yeah, yeah.

451
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:42,560
We don't know if she experienced
any more of this stuff while she

452
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,640
was in there.
And that could be one of the

453
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,680
reasons why she's so afraid to
go.

454
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,280
Now.
We know that the way that they

455
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:54,160
did asylums and stuff back then,
they treated them horribly, They

456
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,400
tortured them, They did
experiments, all in the name of

457
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,240
science.
But yeah, she could have

458
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:04,240
experienced more while she was
in there, and that's why she

459
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:10,920
doesn't want to go.
And like, I don't know the way

460
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,120
that people treat each other in
this series.

461
00:27:13,120 --> 00:27:14,800
And again, I know it's a
different time.

462
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,400
I know people interacted with
each other differently.

463
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:21,160
But it's kind of like, you gonna
sit here and go off on this girl

464
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:22,880
because she's trying to protect
herself.

465
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,800
Like, you have your grandmother,
at least your grandmother will

466
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:29,000
stand up and tell them folks,
y'all know my son didn't do

467
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:30,000
this.
Da, da, da, da, da.

468
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,480
Her grandmother's gonna go to
bat for her.

469
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:36,080
Lily has no one.
Because it's obvious how Mama

470
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,880
don't give a damn about what
happens to her because oh,

471
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:43,320
you're becoming too much for me
to have to deal with, you know?

472
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:47,800
But I, I also say I get, I get
where Ronnie's coming from only

473
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:51,960
because she knows based on how
things are with, with white

474
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,160
folks and black folks and racism
stuff that that little white

475
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,680
girl, she feels like that little
white girl's her dad's only

476
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,560
saving grace because who's not
going, Who's not going to

477
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,960
believe the little white girl?
If the black girls say he wasn't

478
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:04,080
there, then they don't believe
her.

479
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,000
But the problem is that poor
Lily has a history.

480
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:11,400
If Lily had been one of those
Patty cake girls and she said

481
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,000
that the dad didn't do it, they
would have immediately.

482
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:18,560
Well, Patty cake girl said, you
know, but it was Lily.

483
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:20,680
And that's the thing that
Ronnie's not understanding that

484
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:25,040
Lily's her word don't mean
nothing to them because she

485
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:29,520
crazy, you know?
I'm I'm not sure because one of

486
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:34,400
the background things is that
they they are itching to do

487
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:39,680
something to a brother.
Those white dudes in that town,

488
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:41,800
are they are hankering to do
something.

489
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:47,000
Which is true, but the officer
wasn't just going to go after

490
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,920
him without proof until first
officer.

491
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,400
Yeah, mob mentality.
Well, he's clearly the reason.

492
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,520
Go get him.
He actually.

493
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,560
Said you.
Know this is America, I have to

494
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,120
have proof.
But they did come to him and

495
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,280
tell him if you don't do
anything about it.

496
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,680
Right, the mob mentality, right,
Yeah.

497
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,800
So he had to.
If anything, he had to find

498
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,680
something because they were
going to do something.

499
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,480
Yeah, but the fact that he
manipulated Lily the way he did,

500
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:20,360
OK, well, if it wasn't him, you
know, you were there.

501
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,080
You got a his.
Like she was like, you think I

502
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:24,360
did this?
I'm a child.

503
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,600
No, that's not what I'm.
Thinking Bowers, right?

504
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,640
Isn't it Henry Bowers?
Henry Bowers dad.

505
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:36,440
I didn't even think about that.
Yep.

506
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,200
Probably his.
Or his granddad.

507
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,600
Yeah, might be his granddad.
'Cause he he would be the say or

508
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:48,080
a little bit older than Will.
Yeah, yeah.

509
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,200
The OR his dad would be a little
older than Will or right at

510
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:53,520
Will's age.
Yeah.

511
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:59,040
But yeah, the fact that he that
he got her to turn like that.

512
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:03,200
And I think that's the thing,
like Lily, even if she couldn't

513
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,760
really put it into words, she
knew what was going to happen.

514
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,920
And she was like, if I, if I say
anything like I told them he

515
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:10,560
wasn't there.
Yeah.

516
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:12,360
And that's about the best I can
do.

517
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,640
Because if I say anything else,
they're going to look at me like

518
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:17,880
I'm crazy and they're going to
think I had something to do with

519
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,800
it as as she wasn't far off.
Yeah, and that's what you're.

520
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:27,120
Saying OK, so if so, if he
didn't do it, then you know,

521
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:31,880
maybe you, maybe you were our
confusing things where she was

522
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,920
like, you think I did this?
No, no, that's not what I'm

523
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,400
saying.
But what I'm trying to say is

524
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:41,040
let let me ask you this question
another one.

525
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:45,960
I was like, you know what these
fuckers?

526
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:50,720
Manipulating that baby, yeah.
But if I mean, people wonder why

527
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:59,280
we say don't trust, OK, I mean,
because unfortunately you do see

528
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:03,200
that happening, you know, I
mean.

529
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,200
Look at how people have signed
confessions and taking pleas

530
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,960
that they didn't need to take
because they didn't know any

531
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:12,120
better.
Masters in this episode, the

532
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:17,920
little racist military guy
signing confessions for

533
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,040
something that he didn't do
because.

534
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,520
But he was proud to take the
blame because he knew it was

535
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:24,720
going to hurt the black man
though.

536
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:31,520
How crazy is that?
Listen, that doggone masses,

537
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:35,480
we'll, we'll, we'll come back to
that 'cause that, that whole

538
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:40,720
thing is that whole thing is
weird with handling.

539
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,640
And we got to talk about, you
know, the arrival of his family

540
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:48,440
and his wife and stuff.
But I, I guess the, do we want

541
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,640
to get all the gross stuff out
the way first?

542
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,800
Do we want to talk about the
pickle jar incident?

543
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,280
Well, we talking about Lily so
we might as well.

544
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:01,680
Yeah, let's talk about that
disgusting, horrible thing they

545
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:07,680
did to one of my favorite foods.
Girl, I'm like, am I ever going

546
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:09,240
to be able to eat a jar of
Pickles again?

547
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,480
Like what?
Andy, I So am I.

548
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:17,000
So am I Ate Pickles a day matter
of fact, but I'm glad I didn't

549
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,440
start this episode when I was
eating my pick up 'cause I.

550
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:24,400
OK, and that's the other thing.
I meant to start this this

551
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,800
episode with a disclaimer.
If you are still eating food

552
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:35,480
while watching this show, you
have a problem because there

553
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:39,040
should be no reason food is on
the plate in front of you while

554
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,120
this show is on the set.
None whatsoever.

555
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:47,880
Yeah, this time I made sure to
eat before we watched it this

556
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,320
time.
But the person who I live with,

557
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,160
related to my marriage, was
sitting there with her playing

558
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,440
food.
And on this one too.

559
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:03,280
Yes, she's.
Like it ain't.

560
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:07,840
Got nothing to do with me.
She did.

561
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:09,960
She did with the the.
You know what?

562
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,200
Michelle is a tough cookie
'cause I can't she's just.

563
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,840
Build different.
She she got to be.

564
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:19,880
Actually drinking a drink and I
was like.

565
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:28,160
No, but after Ronnie's father
gets arrested and Ronnie comes

566
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,640
to, she goes to Lily's house and
she confronts her.

567
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:34,000
Now that's the one time Lily's
Mama stood up for her.

568
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,320
But still, that was just because
this girl was banging on her

569
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:40,440
door at 11:00 at night, right?
And not necessarily because of

570
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,360
protecting her child.
Yeah, I think that was more

571
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,120
because the neighbors can hear
probably.

572
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,560
Right.
All I know is I will never look

573
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,720
at the jar Pickles the same way.
No, no, but you know.

574
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,640
What one thing I wanted to bring
up about her mom real quick that

575
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,360
I didn't think about.
Her mom was a waitress.

576
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,040
And I do wonder if her mom only
was a waitress because her dad

577
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:04,600
got killed and she was used to
living a certain kind of life,

578
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:05,880
but now she got to.
Work.

579
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:11,800
I mean, I, I could see that and
I don't know if because I think

580
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:15,040
she said something about her mom
works 2 jobs.

581
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,239
So maybe the mom was already a
waitress and picked up another

582
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:23,159
job or she was 'cause I don't,
I, I can't think, I don't think

583
00:34:23,159 --> 00:34:25,800
they've mentioned any other type
of job that she was doing.

584
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,080
But I think Lily did say
something about her either

585
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,360
working a double shift or
working a second job.

586
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:37,360
OK, yeah, but that's how we end
up in the grocery store because

587
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:41,360
she goes in to do her shopping.
And even the guy who, you know,

588
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:45,080
I guess the Super supermarket
manager, he's like, oh, you

589
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,159
doing the shopping again?
She was like, yeah, my mom's

590
00:34:47,159 --> 00:34:49,960
working late.
He was like, OK, you go do

591
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,600
whatever, right?
Find what you need.

592
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:54,360
Help come get me reach the
hospital.

593
00:34:55,440 --> 00:35:01,480
Now let me say this, as much
grossness as was in this

594
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,280
episode, I think that mother
fucker peeping around the the

595
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:11,000
grocery aisles creep me out more
because the way he was doing it,

596
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:19,240
he was just like like no.
Imagine like not knowing if it's

597
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,800
real.
Oh my God, he's.

598
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:27,360
Just walking behind her and then
just like literally with his

599
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,720
eyes bulging.
I was like, no.

600
00:35:31,240 --> 00:35:36,040
And and she like, I think she
feels like something is going on

601
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:39,280
with her, but she's also trying
not to look because she's trying

602
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,240
to convince herself that what
she's imagining or what's

603
00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:44,640
happening is not really
happening.

604
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,960
Right.
So you've got grocery aisles

605
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,040
closing themselves in.
You got shelves moving.

606
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:54,600
You got people staring at her,
which the staring at her thing.

607
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:56,680
I can I can understand, you
know.

608
00:35:56,680 --> 00:36:00,160
Oh, that's the that's loony Lily
Bainbridge.

609
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,720
That's the girl who was there
when when the kids got killed in

610
00:36:03,720 --> 00:36:06,600
the theater.
You know the staring part.

611
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:12,720
I can get the aisles closing and
she not recognizing or she not

612
00:36:12,720 --> 00:36:16,800
noticing it.
I was like, OK, this is getting

613
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:21,000
a little too weird.
That dude, when I tell you he I

614
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:22,480
got goosebumps, just mentioned
to him.

615
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:26,120
That dude was probably the
creepiest part of the episode

616
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:29,600
because he was the one thing
that I think I wasn't expecting.

617
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,840
Yeah, the.
First the first woman, the first

618
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:37,160
old lady, she walked by who
turned and looked at her, and

619
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,480
then she went.
It's in there.

620
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:45,840
Oh yeah, yeah, her.
But see, again, that kind of

621
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:49,680
falls in line with what I would
expect for something like this.

622
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:53,040
So she creeped me out and I was
like, yeah, no, you need to get

623
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:57,200
out the grocery store.
But it wasn't one of those I I

624
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:00,360
need to look around the corner.
The way that that dude was

625
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:04,840
following her and the way he was
just popping up out of the thing

626
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:10,200
and going back.
No, he put it put me in the my

627
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,080
oven.
I I know they have no relation,

628
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:16,760
no correlation, but you want to
know how creepy that was for me?

629
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:20,240
You remember the little bouncy
things in the Wiz?

630
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:27,640
That's what it reminds me of.
That's how creepy that was.

631
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:34,320
That do No no.
It makes it even creepier too,

632
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:38,560
because it's not like a dark
bedroom, It's not a sewer, It's

633
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:42,600
not, it's literally in the
daylight at a grocery store and

634
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,200
things like this should not be
happening.

635
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,520
And that makes it even more
like, you're not safe anywhere.

636
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,440
Girl, no.
Like, I can't imagine being a

637
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:53,280
child, 12 years old or whatever
old.

638
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:57,200
They're supposed to be 13 and
this is happening to me and I

639
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,320
can't even go to the the grocery
store.

640
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:02,960
'Cause you're surrounded by
people, you should feel safe.

641
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,360
Right, right.
Exactly, exactly, I think.

642
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,240
That that that's sort of a point
of it.

643
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:10,960
You're never.
Safe.

644
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,360
You're never safe.
Thanks, aunt, You're never.

645
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,400
Safe.
I.

646
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,200
Just realized I haven't played
in the background but old lady

647
00:38:20,240 --> 00:38:26,440
was following her too so.
Was she actually following her?

648
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,120
OK, yeah.
So I was gonna say she is in a

649
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,160
grocery store.
People are shopping.

650
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,720
You know, people tend to do the
the aisle to aisle thing when

651
00:38:34,720 --> 00:38:35,960
they're grocery shopping.
No.

652
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:40,880
No, no, no, no you.
Know she creepily is watching.

653
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:45,160
Yeah, the dude is doing it more,
but the the woman, the old lady

654
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:49,560
did a couple of times.
Yeah, let me tell you, that dude

655
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:51,640
was.
It was too much.

656
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:56,360
It was too much.
It was like, I think I got

657
00:38:56,360 --> 00:39:00,400
creeped out by him.
I think more so than the whole

658
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,600
whatever Ronnie went through,
whether that was real, whether

659
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:08,720
it was a dream that she expect
because that I kind of expect

660
00:39:08,720 --> 00:39:11,000
from Pennywise.
I expect something like that

661
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,240
from it, you know?
Yeah.

662
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,840
The the other like that would be
like Anthony following me in the

663
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:22,200
grocery store and just peeking
out because you're normal.

664
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:26,280
This, this person is normal.
He looks like just a regular

665
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,640
white guy wearing khakis,
grocery shopping, and then all

666
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,040
of a sudden you look at his face
and his eyes are like this.

667
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:37,440
I was like, and I have a thing
about people who make those

668
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:43,600
kinds of facial expressions too,
because it's like he has no

669
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:51,240
emotion, no, no real expression.
It's just blank and creepy and

670
00:39:51,240 --> 00:39:56,680
bug eyed with with the creepy
smile, no.

671
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:01,520
No, it reminds me, I was 'cause
I started watching the Shine, I

672
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:03,480
didn't finish it 'cause I
actually got kinda bored at

673
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:05,880
certain parts, but I was
watching the Shine and just

674
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:09,040
looking at Jack Nicholson and
it's like he was crazy looking

675
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:16,200
prior to any of yes, yes, he was
definitely perfect for this role

676
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:21,480
'cause he was already like.
And, you know, the the eyebrows

677
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,520
and and the way he smiles, I
mean, that's what made him such

678
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:26,600
a perfect joker.
Yeah.

679
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:30,920
Yeah, exactly, exactly.
He looks diabolical.

680
00:40:31,240 --> 00:40:32,680
He really does.
He.

681
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:36,480
Looks unhinged, he.
Does that's a good word?

682
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,080
For it.
Yeah, 'cause we, Michelle

683
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:42,800
watched it last week and I, I
was watching the interview that

684
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:46,880
he had at the beginning and I'm
like, can they must really be

685
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:50,360
desperate because this is not a
dude that you look like you need

686
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:51,160
to be handing.
No.

687
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:53,760
Absolutely not.
To a hotel.

688
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,560
Right, the person.
Previously killed his whole

689
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,560
family so I guess he was a step
up.

690
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:04,800
I don't know.
Because he wasn't right.

691
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,160
Because sitting there in the
interview, he was not right.

692
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:11,040
Yeah, and it's like when the guy
was telling him like, Oh yeah,

693
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,800
you're going to be up here for
months and this isolated stuff.

694
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:20,000
Oh no, I'm I'm good with that.
I was like Nope, Nope, Nope,

695
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,680
'cause he also does the the bug
eyed thing when he does the

696
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:24,880
smile.
It's creepy.

697
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:29,040
Yes, it's creepy it.
Is OK but but I do have one

698
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,200
little ball on the pit with
these people.

699
00:41:32,720 --> 00:41:35,160
In reality, she only broke one
jar.

700
00:41:36,240 --> 00:41:38,040
I.
Know are you going?

701
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:41,480
To sit in jail for you?
What is wrong with you?

702
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:43,080
What?
Is wrong with you.

703
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,640
I think it was not necessarily
that she broke the jar, but then

704
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,080
she was on the.
Ground like and she was

705
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:52,080
screaming, yeah.
So obviously she was looking at

706
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:53,480
something they weren't looking
at.

707
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,880
So I think that's probably why
they were like, OK 'cause, you

708
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,920
know, especially back then, you
know, they had this whole saying

709
00:41:59,920 --> 00:42:03,160
like crazy is catching.
Like, oh, if you get too close

710
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,760
to somebody who's acting like
that, you will start acting like

711
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:07,240
that too.
Like they really believe that

712
00:42:07,240 --> 00:42:09,200
kind of.
Stuff is true, that is.

713
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:11,120
True.
So that's probably what that was

714
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:12,160
like.
Oh, you know what?

715
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:14,280
We need to get her out of here
because.

716
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:18,680
Out of a light society.
Right, right, 'cause she might

717
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:20,680
be that that crazy might be
catching.

718
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:25,960
That crazy might be contagious,
but when she when she really

719
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,960
starts, like when she's going
down the aisles and I'm sitting

720
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:32,360
at this point, once I see the
guy and he start doing this, I'm

721
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:35,520
looking at literally every
cereal box, every can.

722
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,600
I'm looking to see if something
is going to be out of place.

723
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:42,200
But everything was so neat and
everything was so perfect.

724
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:45,680
Then she gets to the aisle with
the jars and I was just like,

725
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:47,160
pause.
OK, let me just.

726
00:42:48,720 --> 00:42:53,160
Oh wait, did you skip the
Wheatie boxes with all of our

727
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:57,200
friends?
Oh, yes, that was the thing.

728
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:58,720
I was.
Yes, you're right.

729
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:01,560
Yeah, I think.
It was Wheaties.

730
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:06,080
Well, or the off or the off
brand, but yes, the cereal boxes

731
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:13,200
with Phil and and Susie and
Teddy was Maddie wasn't on

732
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:14,960
there, was he?
Yeah, I think he was the first

733
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:16,120
one.
OK, first one.

734
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:21,160
Yeah.
But yeah, so that's when you

735
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:23,760
start knowing, OK, something,
something's about to happen.

736
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:27,040
That name happening, right?
And I, I really thought that she

737
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,640
was probably going to die 'cause
I was like, OK, y'all killed off

738
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,320
half the quote UN quote main
characters in the first episode.

739
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:34,720
Maybe it's her time to die, you
know.

740
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:41,280
But when she sees the jars and
she starts, I don't remember if

741
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:44,440
it was that she saw something or
she heard something.

742
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:49,720
But when I looked at the jars, I
was like, this looks a little

743
00:43:49,720 --> 00:43:54,200
too familiar.
It reminded me of the, it

744
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:57,280
reminded me of the Walker heads
that the governor kept in the

745
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:01,920
jars in his in his bedroom.
So, yeah, yeah.

746
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:06,160
Yeah, see I'm walking in the
size of the lambs with with old

747
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:08,520
girl head in the jar.
See that?

748
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,080
That's another movie I've never
watched.

749
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,120
I don't know if I ever will
watch it.

750
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:14,880
I what?
Size are lambs.

751
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:17,040
I'm trying to get to the
Pickles.

752
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,440
It ain't coming up fast enough.
I got to get there.

753
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:23,840
Yeah, there's there's a scene,
there's a scene scene with body

754
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:27,520
parts and jars in in science
land.

755
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:29,480
So that's what was coming.
So.

756
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:33,680
I would say when it comes to
certain horror, OK.

757
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:39,200
And like, I can do some things
that are kind of out of the

758
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,240
realm of, of, of the
imagination.

759
00:44:41,240 --> 00:44:45,400
Like if, if I know without a
fact that this absolutely cannot

760
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,080
happen in my life ever, I, I'm
pretty OK.

761
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:52,200
I can watch it.
I I can do when it has to deal

762
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:56,520
with something that can have a
basis in reality, I tend to

763
00:44:56,520 --> 00:45:00,160
stray away from it.
I the, the whole cannibalism

764
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,720
thing with Anthony Hopkins and
just seeing the clips of him

765
00:45:03,720 --> 00:45:05,800
over the years, 'cause you have
to remember that came out when

766
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:09,080
we were children.
My mom didn't let me watch stuff

767
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:12,400
like that, but I was still kind
of see like commercials or stuff

768
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,360
like that.
Anthony Hopkins always scared

769
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:18,400
the hell out of me when I saw
him as Hannibal left.

770
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:24,320
No, I can't.
You know, I didn't, I didn't

771
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:26,440
think about it like that.
Yeah, we were children when that

772
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:30,640
came out.
Yeah, so there there's a a lot

773
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:34,480
of those things like I that's
one reason why I tend to stay

774
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:39,280
away from like the really
violent ghost stories because I

775
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:43,520
do believe that ghosts exist and
I'm like, yeah, you got vengeful

776
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:46,440
spirits.
Like, you know, I don't think I

777
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:51,160
want to deal with that.
So yeah, yeah, no, but but but

778
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:53,600
when I saw the pickle jars,
this.

779
00:45:54,800 --> 00:46:01,240
Guy is creepy.
Though and and then not only

780
00:46:01,240 --> 00:46:03,880
does she see like the body
parts.

781
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,920
All.
Over the pickle jars, this

782
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:08,840
motherfucker starts talking to
her.

783
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:11,240
I was done.
I was done.

784
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:16,640
I was like.
Kind of reminded me of on

785
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:20,120
Constantine when when he when
the demon came after him, he lit

786
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:23,880
the match and it was like faces
and it was talking and it was

787
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:27,160
just like pieces of skin and it
was just, it was just gross.

788
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:31,680
It's very Frankenstein ish.
Yeah, see, this is, I just, I'm,

789
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:33,520
I'm watching the grocery store
scene now.

790
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:36,000
So I just saw the woman Anthony
was talking about where she

791
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:39,600
tried to look at it.
And then, yeah, see this guy,

792
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:43,960
this guy, because he comes, he
comes around the corner first

793
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:48,080
and then he's behind her like
right in the camera.

794
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:51,320
I was like, I can't do this.
I cannot.

795
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:53,520
Yeah, it's all core play.
Oh, I see.

796
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:55,640
I forgot about this.
About the kids being on the

797
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:59,160
cereal boxes.
Oh, and then they close her in

798
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:01,640
with Pickles on the other end.
Child would have lost my gold

799
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:03,080
mine.
I don't know how she smashed.

800
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:06,600
Right.
And then this like this guy is

801
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:09,120
just so creepy.
Oh, and that's the thing,

802
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:13,520
because he started doing the
Penny wise walk tip toeing on

803
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:15,040
from side to side.
Why he?

804
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:18,680
Had to side yeah.
No, dude, you know what?

805
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:20,600
Fuck you.
I can't.

806
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,040
No.
This little girl.

807
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:26,800
Reminds me of Heather Langenkamp
who played Nancy.

808
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:30,200
Yes, she does.
Oh my God.

809
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,200
Oh, he's so nasty.
Oh my God, in that jar.

810
00:47:32,240 --> 00:47:36,000
Oh my God.
But.

811
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:37,960
No, when they wrapped around her
neck.

812
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,000
You mean stick itself in her
mouth?

813
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:46,160
Listen, I will say, I will say.
This was like another birth

814
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:49,280
scene.
Oh my God, he was all the jars

815
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:52,440
that bothers.
Me though that they did the hole

816
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:54,360
in her mouth thing though, that
kind of.

817
00:47:55,240 --> 00:47:58,760
I didn't like that.
To me, that was way too over the

818
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:02,320
top and very phallic.
And I did not like that at all.

819
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:04,680
That they were like, oh, let's
stick it in our mouth.

820
00:48:04,720 --> 00:48:06,680
No, no, no, no, no.
Don't do that to a child,

821
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:08,640
please.
That's, that's horrifying.

822
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,520
Yeah, please stop.
Doing that.

823
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:14,480
Yeah, I just, I thought that was
a little much.

824
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:19,040
That's all the interesting thing
because I'm, I'm watching it now

825
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:22,720
like she just left the cereal
boxes and she's in the, she's in

826
00:48:22,720 --> 00:48:24,800
the aisle with all the pickle
jars and stuff.

827
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:29,760
So the, the cereal boxes, you
have Maddie on the top row, then

828
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:33,440
you have Teddy, and then you
have Phil and his sister on the

829
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:37,040
same box.
Now as they start panning down,

830
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,880
you start to see the faces right
on the cereal box.

831
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:43,920
Did you notice that everybody's
face rotted except?

832
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:49,480
For Phil's No, yeah, 'cause
yeah, that's like.

833
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:56,120
Are you hinting at something?
Is Phil going to be the next

834
00:48:56,120 --> 00:49:00,520
evil friend to bring death and
destruction to her life?

835
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:05,080
Because it was Maddie at first,
so.

836
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:08,680
Maybe.
Phil.

837
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:13,520
Maybe Phil is floating.
Oh, Phil is floating.

838
00:49:13,720 --> 00:49:15,880
Down there it's.
Floating they.

839
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:21,440
All flirt float down there.
You know, Phil, oh man, that

840
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:24,200
scene was hard to watch.
Man, I just, Oh my God, that was

841
00:49:24,240 --> 00:49:27,200
horrific.
The thing crawling across the

842
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:31,080
floor was that was that was
stuff for nightmares.

843
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:36,040
And then it was the the color
and the slime and just

844
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:38,200
everything was just like, like
you said, the stuff for

845
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:39,560
nightmares.
It was like, perfectly

846
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:43,640
disgusting.
When the hand came and held the

847
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:46,520
head up I was like, Oh my God,
that is too much.

848
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:50,240
Yeah, was her dad.
Was her dad's name Melvin?

849
00:49:51,240 --> 00:49:53,120
Because that's the name that's
on the pickle jar.

850
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:58,680
Oh, or was that the name of the
the factory?

851
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:02,120
Oh, could be.
But yeah, this is this is.

852
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:04,760
Yeah.
OK, I forgot about this.

853
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:08,040
You were talking about how the
the tentacle thing bothered you

854
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:11,480
because it didn't seem that the
whole thing with her dad saying

855
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:15,160
like give Daddy a kiss and
licking the John.

856
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:18,240
I was like, oh so y'all are
y'all are going to make it that

857
00:50:18,240 --> 00:50:22,960
way?
Like, you know, I, I, and it's

858
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:26,280
funny because ever since I,
well, I mean, because it's a

859
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:30,680
thing more now where it's really
open about like, you know,

860
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:32,920
especially with little girls
about molestation and just how

861
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:35,920
stuff looks and stuff.
But ever since I saw the

862
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:39,600
Nickelodeon thing about Dan
Schneider and the children and

863
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:42,320
how he used to have those
babies, like even Ariana Grande,

864
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:46,320
like all of them, all of them up
and coming stars do stuff that

865
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:51,240
was very phallic or hinted at,
very sexual things.

866
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:54,000
Now when I see stuff, I really
pay attention.

867
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,320
I'm like, oh, that, oh, that's a
child.

868
00:50:56,320 --> 00:51:00,560
And that was a little too much.
And it just makes me run back to

869
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:02,120
him.
Like, is this what they're

870
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:04,720
thinking when they see them?
They playing this stuff?

871
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:07,160
I know everybody doesn't think
that way, but like, why would

872
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:11,640
you have a go in her mouth?
Like why would?

873
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:14,600
That and even even with the
little thing, when it's when

874
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:18,800
it's crawling towards her and
climbing up her legs, when he's

875
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:21,240
coming towards her, when she
screams, it's because he's

876
00:51:21,240 --> 00:51:24,560
sticking his tongue out at her.
Trying to, trying to, Yeah,

877
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:26,640
yeah, it's.
Horrible.

878
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:29,880
I like.
It, it, it I think, I don't

879
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:33,800
think they were trying to do
like sort of a if they were

880
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:38,800
trying to imply that maybe he
was messed with her, then I

881
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,160
would like that because that's a
repeat of Beth.

882
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:43,680
Right we.
We've already seen it.

883
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:46,080
Right.
Yeah.

884
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:50,640
And you don't really.
You don't really need to show us

885
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:54,040
that in that kind of graphic
way, I mean.

886
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:56,480
Yeah, 'cause she's already
horrified.

887
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:57,920
Yeah, we're.
Already horrified.

888
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:02,520
We're already horrified.
So you really don't need to do

889
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:06,960
the additional stuff because
even if you go that route and

890
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:12,680
and if, if that is part of her
trauma, you know, because I, I

891
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:16,440
don't know, a lot of times when
you hear about kids who have

892
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:19,040
been molested by their parents
or that sort of scenario,

893
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:22,400
especially when we see it
fictionalized, a lot of times

894
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:25,600
those kids, they take that
responsibility on themselves.

895
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:30,160
They, they blame themselves, you
know, or for the adults actions

896
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:34,240
because they don't know to think
this dude is an adult, he should

897
00:52:34,240 --> 00:52:36,680
have better control.
He should know right or wrong,

898
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:38,160
whatever.
No, the kids take that on

899
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:40,560
themselves.
So if they're going to go that

900
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:44,000
way with this story, like again,
we don't know what she dealt

901
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:47,280
with in Jennifer Hill.
We don't know what the other

902
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:49,960
part of her trauma is.
That could be a whole part of

903
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:54,400
the reason why she feels guilty
about her dad, because if he was

904
00:52:54,400 --> 00:53:01,240
abusing her, then maybe she felt
thankful that he died and guilty

905
00:53:01,240 --> 00:53:05,120
at the same time.
It's kind of like like an ease

906
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:09,720
by you, you know, Megan, Megan
Good's character.

907
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:15,040
So if they're going to bring
that part of the story, OK, like

908
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:18,640
you said it, that that trope has
been over overly done.

909
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:21,520
But unfortunately, again, this
is 1962.

910
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:23,680
That was happening a lot back
then.

911
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:29,520
Ann and dairy, apparently.
But then it's like if you bring

912
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:32,440
that story, if you actually
physically bring that story,

913
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:35,280
like show us something, I'm not
going to think about the story

914
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:36,920
that's in front of me now.
I'm going to be thinking about

915
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:38,960
that fucking pickle jar.
And.

916
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:43,200
And it's.
Yeah, yeah, I.

917
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:46,440
Mean now I'm starting to think.
Now I'm starting to think that a

918
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:50,000
lot of their child abuse was
influenced by it.

919
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:56,480
By it, 'cause that's the thing
about, like with Henry Bowers,

920
00:53:56,480 --> 00:54:00,480
was he, was he an abused kid,
'cause I can't remember now,

921
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:03,000
it's been so long since I read
the book, but was he abused and

922
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,120
that's why he kind of was like
the way he was?

923
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:08,800
Physically abused yes, and I'm
trying to remember if he was

924
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:12,640
sexually abused.
I mean, even if even even just

925
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:17,880
the abuse in general, like you
know, like that influence to to

926
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:20,800
beat your kid or whatever, be
angry at your kid all the time,

927
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:22,680
you know?
I think it was.

928
00:54:22,720 --> 00:54:25,560
I think Dad.
Dad was an alcoholic.

929
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:29,880
Dad had anger issues.
I don't remember if mom was in

930
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:31,640
the picture.
Yeah.

931
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:35,640
So yeah, but that's a good
point, Anthony.

932
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:40,240
Like he could be influencing the
way these parents act because

933
00:54:40,240 --> 00:54:43,880
that makes the kids more
vulnerable and it makes them

934
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:44,960
more.
Open to.

935
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:49,000
Right.
Yeah, generations of scared,

936
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:51,840
harmed people.
Yeah.

937
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:54,200
Oh, that's some scary stuff
right there, man.

938
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:59,800
But it's like, even without all
of the, the, the trauma stuff,

939
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:03,800
like Lily already has so much to
deal with, you know, going away

940
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:06,400
from the, the really heavy
stuff, going back to some of the

941
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:08,560
quote UN quote lighter stuff in
the episode.

942
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:15,360
I, I'm going to say this right
now, the phantom hybrid podcast

943
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:18,520
would like to negotiate with
Pennywise.

944
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:23,640
Can we get back Phil or, or, or
Teddy and give him Marge?

945
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:27,320
Because when I say I do not like
this little girl.

946
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:30,400
Oh.
My God, that is like online

947
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:32,160
everybody.
Like can you kill this?

948
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:36,520
She is so.
Horrible and and I.

949
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:38,720
I get it.
You're you're, you're, you're

950
00:55:38,720 --> 00:55:42,440
the, you're one of the kids that
nobody really pays attention to.

951
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:45,000
You're not really popular.
You want to be in with all the

952
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:49,880
popular girls.
But it's like the way she's

953
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:52,920
trying to go about it is so
smarmy.

954
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:56,880
Like, you come off the bus,
they're having a conversation

955
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:01,000
which clearly was not including
you, and you keep trying to jump

956
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:06,360
into the conversation, and then
you make fun of someone else the

957
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:10,240
same way these girls probably
made fun of you at once.

958
00:56:11,720 --> 00:56:12,160
Yeah.
And.

959
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:14,480
Probably still do.
Right.

960
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:18,960
And then, well, I mean, we saw
that in this episode because

961
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:23,440
once Patty started seeing that
Marge was getting a little bit

962
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:27,280
too much attention, then she
starts turning on Patty.

963
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:29,280
I mean, she starts turning on
Marge.

964
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:33,240
That is that's kind of what
those those types of bully,

965
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:36,240
bully leaders do.
It's like, OK, yeah, you can

966
00:56:36,240 --> 00:56:40,360
have your little fun, but once
it takes away from my shine from

967
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:43,280
my employee group.
Now I got to bring you down a

968
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:46,480
notch to make you understand
that you can't you know, you we

969
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:51,480
see it all the time.
And and the crazy thing is, at

970
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:54,520
least with Patty, and I'm
thinking about this because the

971
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:58,160
same thing was with Angela and
Stranger Things.

972
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:01,960
I'm rewatching Stranger Things,
you know, the most recent season

973
00:57:02,240 --> 00:57:05,560
to prepare for the new season.
Angela's the same way.

974
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:10,000
It's like you're making fun of
someone who is a little bit

975
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:14,080
lesser than you or not as
socially inept or whatever.

976
00:57:15,240 --> 00:57:20,040
But as soon as people start kind
of breaking away from your grasp

977
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:23,880
or your influence, then you got
a you got to be a little more

978
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:25,600
mean.
But at least what people like

979
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:31,400
Angela, people like Patty here
in this show, you know, to

980
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:33,040
expect that from those
characters.

981
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:35,680
So it's like, right.
That because they're not really

982
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:39,960
pretending to be anything else,
She's not pretending to like

983
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:41,920
Lily, you know?
Yeah.

984
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:44,320
That she's allowing Marge to
hang around.

985
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:46,120
But that's because Marge is a
sucker.

986
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:50,120
And that's right.
She likes suckers, you know?

987
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:56,640
Right.
But March, the way you go from

988
00:57:56,800 --> 00:58:00,120
trying to be in with the popular
girls and then going back to

989
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:04,200
your less popular friend and
being like, oh, yeah, I just

990
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:07,160
want to make sure you're OK.
Well, you know, I saw you

991
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:10,280
talking to Ronnie Grogan and you
can't talk to her because of

992
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:12,240
what happened.
You know the Patty cakes, they

993
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:15,120
really care about you and they
they want you to be in with.

994
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:18,440
I was like, bitch, if you don't
shut Penny wise, where are you

995
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:22,560
Penny?
Wise where but I love that Lily

996
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:25,880
was like grand can't buy them
'cause I got got something

997
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:28,160
messing with my whole my whole
life.

998
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:33,440
Like, everybody and Susie are
dead, but damn about your

999
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:35,840
pancakes, right?
I was like, good.

1000
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:41,360
And then when she, you know,
goes into the cafeteria and

1001
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:44,760
she's like trying to save her a
seat when when Lily walked away

1002
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:49,800
from her, I said OK, good, good.
But then she again, she starts

1003
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:54,240
doing this whole little mean
girl stick and everybody starts

1004
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:57,120
laughing at her until Patty
starts taking her down a notch.

1005
00:58:57,120 --> 00:59:01,200
And I was like, you know what?
Both of y'all can just like.

1006
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:03,960
Disappear float.
Float.

1007
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:10,520
Float.
Without kid characters, but some

1008
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:14,360
of these kid characters is like
all Maddie wanted to do was go

1009
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:17,720
to the movies and get out of
dairy 'cause he knew shit wasn't

1010
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:20,800
right.
Yeah, why y'all gotta take the

1011
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:23,640
sweet kids?
His life was a mess.

1012
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:26,240
You know he he wouldn't hurt
nobody, right?

1013
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:31,120
You, you, you want somebody to
take the mean kids.

1014
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:33,840
They're more your still.
Yeah.

1015
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:37,440
No, he needs he needs the mean
kids.

1016
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:41,760
It's a cause of trauma.
I know, I know.

1017
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:44,680
But I'm like when I say I'm so
sick of Pat.

1018
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:47,440
It's only the second episode.
I'm so sick of this girl.

1019
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:51,800
I'm so sick of her.
And it sucks because that little

1020
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:57,760
sweet little baby boy wills
little friend, I forget his

1021
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:00,920
name, he thinks she the most
beautiful girl in the world.

1022
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:04,360
But I bet you she'll treat him
like just total crap because of

1023
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:09,000
the Patty cake.
He thinks she just the best

1024
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:11,240
thing since slice bread with her
little bug out herself.

1025
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:15,400
Do these glasses make my eyes
look buggy?

1026
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:22,880
Yes yes they yes they did.
Yes.

1027
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:27,320
What was the kids name that that
befriended Will?

1028
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:29,440
I can't think of his name.
It's.

1029
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:31,760
OK, I'm.
Gonna have to go back and look

1030
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:34,080
but OK.
So talking about Will.

1031
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:36,880
Or something.
He's Hispanic of some sort, I

1032
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:39,040
think.
Or yeah, I can't think.

1033
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:42,800
Which version 'cause I was
trying to think if maybe he was

1034
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:46,800
a relative of one of the The
Losers Club, but I can't that's.

1035
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:50,840
Let's see.
Think.

1036
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:54,720
Talking about Will and let's go,
let's go to Major Hand Hand

1037
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:58,520
because his wife and son arrive
in town.

1038
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:04,080
Now I'm a little conflicted on
the wife.

1039
01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:07,240
I'm gonna be I'm gonna be real
upfront and honest about her.

1040
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:12,400
OK.
On the one hand, I like that

1041
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:17,800
she's bold and I like that she
doesn't take people bullying,

1042
01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:20,760
you know, lying down like
everyone else when when the

1043
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:23,680
other little kid was getting
bullied, everybody else is just

1044
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:26,120
sitting there watching and she
actually wants to try to stop

1045
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:28,280
it.
I don't have a problem with that

1046
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:36,960
part, but for you to be someone
new in town and you're

1047
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:40,680
automatically coming in with
this strong personality, not

1048
01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:43,360
knowing like you're not reading
the room.

1049
01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:51,240
And I feel like she is.
I feel like she's causing a

1050
01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:53,040
little more attention than she
needs to.

1051
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:56,040
She just.
We can't we say she doing too

1052
01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:57,720
much.
She doing too much she.

1053
01:01:57,960 --> 01:02:01,080
Doing too much.
Because the whole thing, like,

1054
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:05,520
yeah, you go into the butcher
shop and he said something about

1055
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:08,080
are you passing through?
And she was like, well, I guess

1056
01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:10,440
I do stand out.
He was like, I've been here 30

1057
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:11,880
years, I ain't never seen you
before.

1058
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:13,680
That's all.
I meant you.

1059
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:16,600
Know.
Right.

1060
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:19,080
And he got a little a little bit
offended by it.

1061
01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:22,880
And I understand that because,
yeah, you might be coming from

1062
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:26,120
Shreveport, you coming from the
South, where things are a little

1063
01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:30,280
more blatant with the racism.
You are in a town where there

1064
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:33,600
are people who don't jive with
that.

1065
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:38,680
You know, the military.
What was he, General?

1066
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:41,040
He's one of them.
He was like, yeah, you know

1067
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:42,960
what?
I know they did that shit to

1068
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:44,760
you.
We, we don't fly with that here.

1069
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:49,240
There are some people who are
not like everybody else.

1070
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:52,160
But she comes in and she just
automatically makes that

1071
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:56,280
statement.
And I was like, I just feel like

1072
01:02:56,920 --> 01:03:01,480
she's itching for some trouble
and just listening to what her

1073
01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:04,240
husband said about her in that.
Argument.

1074
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:09,360
Yeah, he was, he was like, yeah,
you don't want to be starting

1075
01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:12,720
shit like the, the brick in our
car window in Shreveport.

1076
01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:14,520
That, that that had nothing to
do with me.

1077
01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:16,120
And I was like, oh, what are you
doing?

1078
01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:18,560
And then he said, you know,
going into places where I'm not

1079
01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:23,240
invited, which again, I don't
have a problem with that.

1080
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:27,520
She's bald.
She's taking a stand, but when

1081
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:30,560
you're sitting at the dinner
table and you just cause the

1082
01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:32,880
arguments and then you want to
get mad because your child don't

1083
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:34,960
want to sit there and have
dinner discussion.

1084
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:38,640
No, because the the.
The the he got to survive the

1085
01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:41,440
table is tense.
Who Yeah, he got to survive.

1086
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:43,680
He got to survive in school and
you about to go to his school

1087
01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:46,720
and cause a rookie.
And not only that, but still you

1088
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:50,320
talking about, look, we, we only
get to come together one time a

1089
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:52,760
day.
Is it too much for me to ask to,

1090
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:55,560
to sit around the table with my
family when you're, when you're

1091
01:03:55,560 --> 01:03:58,680
causing trouble?
Yes, because guess what, just

1092
01:03:58,680 --> 01:04:01,760
like y'all adults.
And this is something again, 60s

1093
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:09,040
versus 2000s We, you know, we
are learning that we can't just

1094
01:04:09,040 --> 01:04:12,480
treat our kids like that.
Like the, the way I, I remember

1095
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:16,800
just even me being as a, as a
parent, my kids being slow to

1096
01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:20,720
move in the morning, you yelling
at them, come on, let's go da,

1097
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:23,240
da, da, da, da.
Why would you want to start

1098
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:25,960
someone's day like that?
Because that sets the tone for

1099
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:29,320
the entire rest of the day.
Same thing at night.

1100
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:33,000
You've had a stressful day,
you've been at work, your child

1101
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:35,920
has been dealing with bullying
at school, or maybe not bullying

1102
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:38,760
at school.
Maybe he had a hard test, maybe

1103
01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:42,440
he forgot his homework, maybe he
had an argument with his friend,

1104
01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:45,760
but whatever.
When you come home at the end of

1105
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:49,320
the day, yes, that's a chance
for you as a family to sit down

1106
01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:52,760
and talk.
But don't nobody want to hear

1107
01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:58,000
drama and then be expected to
sit there and be like, Oh yeah,

1108
01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:00,560
mom, my first day at school was
nice, blah, blah, blah, blah

1109
01:05:00,560 --> 01:05:02,040
blah.
Y'all were just arguing a couple

1110
01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:04,200
of minutes ago.
Oh, we're not arguing.

1111
01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:09,280
That's just how we talk.
Y'all have said it so many times

1112
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:13,200
that you sound like robots and
you're doing it In Sync.

1113
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:15,440
Something is wrong.
With that picture.

1114
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:18,280
And she being disingenuous too
'cause she know her kid is

1115
01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:20,080
smart.
Yeah.

1116
01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:22,080
She know he ain't a stupid
child.

1117
01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:24,800
No.
They know he ain't a super child

1118
01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:25,800
too.
They know they.

1119
01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:28,640
Know.
Smart, but like like you said

1120
01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:31,800
earlier, they're supposed to be
seen and not heard.

1121
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:34,880
They're supposed they supposed
to do what you tell them to do

1122
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:37,120
and be all you know nice and
kid.

1123
01:05:37,120 --> 01:05:41,200
And no like you said we have
learned it don't work like.

1124
01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:43,320
That.
Yeah, like they they go through

1125
01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:45,440
their stress too.
Yeah.

1126
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:48,960
So basically, like, you know,
this kid, he already had a rough

1127
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:51,480
day.
And then your mom is saying, oh,

1128
01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:53,280
did this happen to you?
Did you get bullied?

1129
01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:55,160
Because I saw what happened to
this other kid.

1130
01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:58,120
Are they doing that to you?
And why would he say yes?

1131
01:05:58,120 --> 01:06:01,360
Because my thing is he handled
it in his way, keeping his head

1132
01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:03,680
down, go serve his little
detention and he moved on.

1133
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:06,200
But he goes up in the school
acting the fool.

1134
01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:08,400
And then of course, then the
teachers already who treat him

1135
01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:10,520
badly because he's a black kid
and.

1136
01:06:10,520 --> 01:06:12,680
Now we'll be like.
Right.

1137
01:06:12,680 --> 01:06:15,200
And he showed up late, not that
it was his fault, but they don't

1138
01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:17,200
care.
And then so they're looking at

1139
01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:20,520
you and they're like, and then
here come your Mama, right?

1140
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:23,880
You know and.
He knows his mama's extra,

1141
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:25,440
right?
He knows she's doing too much.

1142
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:27,960
Yeah.
And like he like, Nah, you don't

1143
01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:29,760
need to come up.
Here, I mean, she literally

1144
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:33,160
asked him that after she said I
got a mind to call that to call

1145
01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:36,120
their Mamas.
Excuse me, Mitchell, just come

1146
01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:38,080
from the South.
Who, white parents, are you

1147
01:06:38,080 --> 01:06:41,160
about to call and go off and
think that's going to be OK?

1148
01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:46,880
And, and, and second of all, who
who she thinks she is is going

1149
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:51,120
to see me and tell all those
teenage boys who are bigger than

1150
01:06:51,120 --> 01:06:52,880
her to stop beating on that
little kid.

1151
01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:56,600
They're looking.
At you like take AL.

1152
01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:01,000
She she had lucky the boy got up
and ran.

1153
01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:04,800
Especially you knew these kids
don't know you.

1154
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:09,040
Even if, Even if they aren't,
let's just play devil's

1155
01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:11,760
advocate.
Even if these kids are not

1156
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:16,400
racist, even if their parents
are not racist, you are an

1157
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:22,080
outsider.
Like, yeah, growing up, us if we

1158
01:07:22,080 --> 01:07:26,000
got in, if if, if my friend got
in trouble and I was with her, I

1159
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:27,800
got in trouble from the friends
Mama.

1160
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:30,120
And then I had to come home and
get in trouble with my Mama

1161
01:07:30,120 --> 01:07:31,560
because there are people you
knew.

1162
01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:35,720
But this is people that knew me,
people I grew up with, people

1163
01:07:35,720 --> 01:07:38,960
who had a relationship with my
parents.

1164
01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:42,880
You know, the whole it takes a
village to raise a child.

1165
01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:46,480
That really was the case in the
70s and the 80s.

1166
01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:51,160
We had that, that kind of
mentality where the parents were

1167
01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:53,600
like, oh, OK, well, if your
children are playing on this

1168
01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:55,840
side of the street, I'm looking
out for them.

1169
01:07:55,840 --> 01:07:58,960
But if they're playing on that
side of the street you look out

1170
01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:03,040
for, we had that.
You are new in town.

1171
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:07,840
Don't nobody know who you are,
whose phone you first of all,

1172
01:08:07,840 --> 01:08:10,840
whose phone number you got that
you bout to just pick up and

1173
01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:15,960
call 'cause I say this, you
might be bold or whatever.

1174
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:19,720
You might not be scared.
I bet you you're not about to go

1175
01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:21,600
knock on none of these white
folks door.

1176
01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:27,680
Yeah, I mean I and I get it,
like I get how her as a mom, she

1177
01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:30,080
she probably did.
She was well, I I know.

1178
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:32,680
So I actually know something
from the new episode that makes

1179
01:08:32,680 --> 01:08:34,880
me also feel like why she did
what she did too.

1180
01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:38,439
So I won't school that, but her
I'll just use her as a mom.

1181
01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:42,960
I feel like she so I'd like,
which is why she asked her son

1182
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:45,479
did he get bullied because she
saw it like, oh, this could be

1183
01:08:45,479 --> 01:08:47,720
my kid.
And I totally, I totally

1184
01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:50,240
understand that.
But I also know that you can't

1185
01:08:50,240 --> 01:08:52,200
stop.
You can't jump in the middle of

1186
01:08:52,200 --> 01:08:56,080
everything 'cause you trying to
help folks will get you killed

1187
01:08:56,080 --> 01:08:58,840
and it will get people around
you killed and.

1188
01:08:59,200 --> 01:09:03,640
Especially in 1960.
Two, yeah, with nothing but

1189
01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:06,760
white folks looking at you like
lady, is you crazy?

1190
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:10,120
Right like that.
You got a couple of people who

1191
01:09:10,120 --> 01:09:13,359
were real nice to you in that
town, but now you've made just

1192
01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:18,439
you, you've made it known that
you are, I don't want to say a

1193
01:09:18,439 --> 01:09:22,560
troublemaker because she really
was she was trying to stave off

1194
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:25,760
the trouble.
But to that community, you're

1195
01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:28,279
stirring up stuff.
You you're putting your nose in

1196
01:09:28,279 --> 01:09:30,600
business that don't that that it
don't.

1197
01:09:30,800 --> 01:09:36,520
Even begin and we kind of know
something more about how it is

1198
01:09:36,600 --> 01:09:38,520
influencing.
Influencing, right?

1199
01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:42,359
Everyone.
So yeah, no one is paying

1200
01:09:42,359 --> 01:09:44,399
attention to the kid getting
bullied.

1201
01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:47,040
Like no one is paying attention
to what's happening over there.

1202
01:09:48,240 --> 01:09:50,720
So they, they all, of course,
they all just walk about.

1203
01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:54,560
She don't know that yet.
She isn't the influence yet, but

1204
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:56,520
we know it's obvious that's
what's happening.

1205
01:09:57,000 --> 01:10:01,360
But but the other thing too is
it might not even be that back

1206
01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:04,680
then they really had that kind
of mindset of what was it?

1207
01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:07,120
The butcher said.
Oh, boys will be boys then.

1208
01:10:07,240 --> 01:10:09,800
You don't say this to this day.
Yeah.

1209
01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:14,840
So like handling when, when,
when, when they came to and he

1210
01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:17,920
was shaking his hand when the
kid and the mom first came and

1211
01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:20,640
he was like shaking his hand.
He was like, is that all you

1212
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:22,480
got?
Like in that mindset of like

1213
01:10:22,480 --> 01:10:24,520
being a man, like is that all
you got?

1214
01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:26,520
You know, and the little boy,
he, he got it.

1215
01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:28,480
He's smart.
So he get, he popped off at the

1216
01:10:28,480 --> 01:10:31,040
mouth with a little something,
something, 'cause that's the way

1217
01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:33,000
he handles things.
But like, you could tell it's

1218
01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:35,280
like, I want you to be a man,
you know, be a man.

1219
01:10:36,040 --> 01:10:42,880
And it's like, I don't know.
1962. 1962, they want you to not

1220
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:45,880
Yeah, little boy, get you get
beat up, it's fine.

1221
01:10:46,120 --> 01:10:47,120
Throw some dirt in it, it's
fine.

1222
01:10:47,120 --> 01:10:50,160
Right, right.
It I mean that whole thing like,

1223
01:10:50,160 --> 01:10:52,960
oh, that's just boys being boys.
Oh, that's gonna teach you to be

1224
01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:55,520
tough, you know, that sort of
thing.

1225
01:10:55,680 --> 01:11:04,200
So yeah, but the but like I
said, the mom, I just I don't

1226
01:11:04,200 --> 01:11:07,960
know, I feel like she gonna be a
problem.

1227
01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:10,440
Yeah, she ain't being set up for
success.

1228
01:11:11,200 --> 01:11:18,160
She's not and, and you know,
it's like, on the one hand, yes,

1229
01:11:18,200 --> 01:11:22,280
I, I can understand.
Again, if it's for your own

1230
01:11:22,280 --> 01:11:26,320
child, I, I can understand you
because this is where you coming

1231
01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:31,960
from, you coming from a, a, a
town and a, a area where will

1232
01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:34,040
may not have been treated very
well.

1233
01:11:34,040 --> 01:11:37,840
He may have been bullied or
whatever, but you coming into a

1234
01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:40,600
whole new town, you are as she
said.

1235
01:11:40,920 --> 01:11:44,040
I guess you're not used to
seeing people like me bit you

1236
01:11:44,040 --> 01:11:47,120
are the token.
Keep your mouth shut because

1237
01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:50,360
other than that, you going you,
you going to be targeted.

1238
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:54,840
Oh, oh, oh, let me.
OK, so the person who I live

1239
01:11:54,840 --> 01:11:59,160
with lead to by marriage, is
that on podcast night?

1240
01:11:59,160 --> 01:12:06,760
But I know that she will say
ma'am, ma'am, ma'am, you need to

1241
01:12:06,760 --> 01:12:13,640
just be more careful because
one, you're doing too much and

1242
01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:19,280
2:00, you got to read the room.
They don't know you and you

1243
01:12:19,320 --> 01:12:22,960
don't know them.
And three, you need to stay your

1244
01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:26,360
ass on the base.
My wife said that several times.

1245
01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:29,640
Why you?
Why you not stay on the base?

1246
01:12:30,080 --> 01:12:32,000
You, you don't find, she said.
You don't.

1247
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:35,520
They're going to find out real
quick that things is not normal

1248
01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:41,040
in there and used and used.
He used to put his family on the

1249
01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:44,720
base.
Yep, Yep, at least for the first

1250
01:12:44,720 --> 01:12:49,160
six months or so.
Get to know the city and see see

1251
01:12:49,160 --> 01:12:52,400
what it's like.
I mean I understand she might

1252
01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:55,680
not have too many options as far
as if she don't like it she can

1253
01:12:55,680 --> 01:13:00,880
go somewhere else with him being
in the military but still get a

1254
01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:04,560
feel for the place first.
Especially since he was in

1255
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:06,680
Korea, so they weren't even
together.

1256
01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:10,320
He was overseas and she was in
Louisiana.

1257
01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:13,640
So it's not like, so you just
brought her, brought them to

1258
01:13:13,640 --> 01:13:16,640
that place and was just like,
he's just, let's just move into

1259
01:13:16,640 --> 01:13:18,520
this neighborhood.
We don't know nothing about she.

1260
01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:22,200
She was bored and got caught up
in all the activism in the

1261
01:13:22,200 --> 01:13:26,560
South.
He came home and they got bricks

1262
01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:29,760
flying through the window and.
You know, he could have also.

1263
01:13:29,840 --> 01:13:32,640
Been up here?
It could have also been a thing

1264
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:35,920
of them trying to reconnect.
If he's been in Korea and she's

1265
01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:39,080
been on the base with the child,
maybe he was like, OK, you know

1266
01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:41,280
what?
Maybe we need our own space so

1267
01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:45,080
we can so we can be a family of
whatever, but still.

1268
01:13:45,440 --> 01:13:50,520
Baby steps.
Exactly, exactly, exactly.

1269
01:13:51,080 --> 01:13:58,200
But you know, again, I got to
say I don't know if being on the

1270
01:13:58,200 --> 01:14:01,360
base is going to be a good thing
for them either because one,

1271
01:14:02,040 --> 01:14:04,600
your man already been jumped on
the base.

1272
01:14:04,840 --> 01:14:10,080
Two, we find out in this
episode, it wasn't exactly a

1273
01:14:10,080 --> 01:14:17,680
random attack and it wasn't even
it wasn't even masters.

1274
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:21,680
No, who we thought and who
signed the confession.

1275
01:14:22,520 --> 01:14:26,720
No, they were testing Hamlin
because which?

1276
01:14:27,640 --> 01:14:32,120
Yeah, they heard to get to this.
They heard stuff about him.

1277
01:14:32,120 --> 01:14:36,280
Apparently, when he was captured
in Korea, he suffered a brain

1278
01:14:36,280 --> 01:14:41,720
injury that damaged his.
I can't hippocampus.

1279
01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:43,840
His.
I think it's his.

1280
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:48,200
I'm of yes, the the one that
starts with the AI.

1281
01:14:48,200 --> 01:14:49,920
Can't think of what it's called
amygdala.

1282
01:14:50,360 --> 01:14:54,920
Yes, that amygdala.
So basically this man has No

1283
01:14:54,920 --> 01:14:57,440
Fear.
And we saw kind of evidence of

1284
01:14:57,440 --> 01:15:00,000
that because I mean, if you
think about it, when they came

1285
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:04,080
to fight him, when they came to
jump him, he wasn't scared.

1286
01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:06,200
He got up and he just started,
He started scrapping.

1287
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:11,320
When he went to go see Masters
in the jail cell, there was

1288
01:15:11,320 --> 01:15:15,200
something about us, a specific
type of weapon that was used,

1289
01:15:15,200 --> 01:15:19,640
which was a Russian weapon that
as he says, not too many people

1290
01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:23,760
can handle this type of weapon.
It takes about, you have to be

1291
01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:27,960
really, really skilled in order
to load it and, and you do it

1292
01:15:27,960 --> 01:15:30,520
with two hands.
And he said, whoever did this,

1293
01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:32,760
they they did this in 10
seconds.

1294
01:15:32,760 --> 01:15:35,640
And Masters, I read your files.
You ain't capable of this.

1295
01:15:36,080 --> 01:15:43,360
You ain't capable.
So he literally puts the gun in

1296
01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:48,280
front of Masters and then
insults Masters to the point

1297
01:15:48,280 --> 01:15:51,280
where he knows Masters is going
to pick up the gun and try to

1298
01:15:51,280 --> 01:15:53,880
shoot him.
And the whole time Masters is

1299
01:15:53,880 --> 01:15:57,440
doing that, he's just looking at
him like, is it time for lunch

1300
01:15:57,440 --> 01:15:59,040
yet?
So.

1301
01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:02,200
The man didn't even flinch.
Didn't flinch, didn't look.

1302
01:16:02,240 --> 01:16:06,680
He can't be afraid slightest.
So even if he thought he could

1303
01:16:06,680 --> 01:16:08,760
do it, he wasn't going to be
afraid of him no matter what.

1304
01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:13,360
No SO.
Bring up about before you get to

1305
01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:19,440
that go ahead so the what could
you were saying how like the the

1306
01:16:19,440 --> 01:16:21,960
general and all them was all
like yeah, we don't do that on

1307
01:16:21,960 --> 01:16:23,120
this base.
That's not how we do it.

1308
01:16:23,880 --> 01:16:28,920
But I get the feeling that black
people with special skills don't

1309
01:16:28,920 --> 01:16:34,040
get treated badly is what I get.
I feel like with Dick Halloran,

1310
01:16:34,040 --> 01:16:38,800
'cause he got The Shining and
this guy got this anti fear

1311
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:42,600
whatever, they're special to
them and that's why they get

1312
01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:46,680
what they get.
Because I really feel like, I

1313
01:16:46,680 --> 01:16:49,720
don't know, I, we'll see.
But I don't trust that they are

1314
01:16:49,720 --> 01:16:53,120
just not racist or they're just
not, you know, I feel like it's

1315
01:16:53,120 --> 01:16:56,200
'cause they're special.
So just throwing it.

1316
01:16:56,440 --> 01:16:59,840
Out there, yeah.
Yeah, I can get that.

1317
01:16:59,840 --> 01:17:04,800
I mean, I I figured if he has
ulterior motives, he's got

1318
01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:08,880
something that they need to get
done, and he didn't care what

1319
01:17:08,880 --> 01:17:11,880
race they are because they can
get him what he wants.

1320
01:17:12,040 --> 01:17:13,880
Yeah.
This guy can fly.

1321
01:17:13,880 --> 01:17:18,160
This this experimental B52, then
I want him.

1322
01:17:18,760 --> 01:17:20,840
He didn't.
He didn't care that he's black.

1323
01:17:22,240 --> 01:17:23,240
Yeah.
Yeah.

1324
01:17:23,240 --> 01:17:25,800
It's like you said, it's
important what you can do.

1325
01:17:26,480 --> 01:17:29,440
Yeah.
And then the whole thing about

1326
01:17:29,720 --> 01:17:33,400
him having No Fear comes out.
He was like, yeah, so that was a

1327
01:17:33,400 --> 01:17:36,520
test because Hamlet has already
figured it out.

1328
01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:40,600
He was like, this was a setup,
y'all had these people come in

1329
01:17:40,600 --> 01:17:42,160
and beat me.
And of course handling this

1330
01:17:42,160 --> 01:17:43,760
thinking is because of something
else.

1331
01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:45,560
He is thinking it's a race
thing.

1332
01:17:45,560 --> 01:17:47,240
And dude was like hold up, hold
up.

1333
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:50,880
He was like I know how it looks,
but give me about 10 minutes to

1334
01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:54,600
explain and then if you want to,
if you don't, you know, if you

1335
01:17:54,600 --> 01:17:56,920
don't understand, you don't
believe me, then you can go file

1336
01:17:56,920 --> 01:17:58,280
the paperwork.
I won't stop.

1337
01:17:59,680 --> 01:18:06,040
So apparently this has to do
with what they have Dick Howrin

1338
01:18:06,320 --> 01:18:11,440
working on this special project
that gets this man back on base

1339
01:18:11,440 --> 01:18:15,200
drunk with No, like, I don't
think we even talked about that.

1340
01:18:15,280 --> 01:18:21,320
Was that this episode where he
he goes out, he got he goes out

1341
01:18:21,320 --> 01:18:23,760
with some friends, they get
drunk and they come back to the

1342
01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:28,920
base and you know, you have your
little white soldier come out.

1343
01:18:29,560 --> 01:18:32,720
Oh, you guys are drunk.
Y'all gonna be in trouble, we're

1344
01:18:32,720 --> 01:18:34,520
gonna put you in the break, blah
blah blah blah blah.

1345
01:18:34,600 --> 01:18:37,840
And Dick is like, I, I'm going
to need you to call this in

1346
01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:39,960
because I got special
privileges.

1347
01:18:40,640 --> 01:18:44,320
But my name is Dick Halloran.
So the dude is looking at him

1348
01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:47,440
like, whatever.
So he makes the phone call, and

1349
01:18:47,440 --> 01:18:50,200
you can clearly hear the other
side of the phone.

1350
01:18:50,760 --> 01:18:53,280
He was like, yeah, some guy
hollering.

1351
01:18:53,280 --> 01:18:55,520
Dick Halloran.
He's a soldier.

1352
01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:59,440
Do you want to lose your job?
No, Sir.

1353
01:18:59,680 --> 01:19:02,280
You let that man in right now.
Yes, Sir.

1354
01:19:02,280 --> 01:19:04,520
Yes, Sir.
And he messed them in.

1355
01:19:04,520 --> 01:19:06,880
I was like, what the Dick
Cameron doing?

1356
01:19:06,880 --> 01:19:15,640
Well, apparently they are
looking for a weapon again, this

1357
01:19:15,640 --> 01:19:18,400
is 1962.
This is before the Cuban Missile

1358
01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:21,160
Crisis.
So, so everything that they're

1359
01:19:21,160 --> 01:19:23,080
talking about is kind of leading
up to that.

1360
01:19:23,080 --> 01:19:27,480
They are looking for a weapon
that will help them, as they

1361
01:19:27,480 --> 01:19:30,920
say, cut off the Cold War before
it even starts.

1362
01:19:31,440 --> 01:19:35,120
And Dick is one of the people
that is helping them because

1363
01:19:35,120 --> 01:19:37,000
apparently he is using his
ability.

1364
01:19:37,000 --> 01:19:39,320
He's telling them that they are
digging for something.

1365
01:19:40,120 --> 01:19:43,280
And one of the officers comes up
to him and he was like, look,

1366
01:19:43,280 --> 01:19:45,280
this is the fifth dig site that
we've been on.

1367
01:19:45,280 --> 01:19:48,160
We ain't found shit.
I think whatever you had that

1368
01:19:48,160 --> 01:19:49,880
was special about you was
fading.

1369
01:19:49,880 --> 01:19:55,280
And Dick is like, no, we're
close, we're close, so whatever.

1370
01:19:55,280 --> 01:19:56,440
It is they're looking.
For.

1371
01:19:57,400 --> 01:20:00,160
Come on now, you didn't know
spoiler what they looking for.

1372
01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:02,080
We know what they're looking
for.

1373
01:20:03,600 --> 01:20:07,800
They're looking for it.
Look, people who might not know.

1374
01:20:08,080 --> 01:20:11,360
Please, there is not a person
who doesn't, who even doesn't

1375
01:20:11,360 --> 01:20:14,800
know what penalize it is,
doesn't know what it is.

1376
01:20:15,120 --> 01:20:17,920
This is a prequel.
We know what they're looking

1377
01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:19,200
for.
They're looking for it.

1378
01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:22,200
Well, they know what they're
looking for, but I think some of

1379
01:20:22,200 --> 01:20:25,680
the IT is, again, it's kind.
Of they have a vague, they have

1380
01:20:25,680 --> 01:20:27,480
a vague idea of what they're
looking at.

1381
01:20:27,920 --> 01:20:30,280
Yeah, and I.
Think his that's also on a need

1382
01:20:30,280 --> 01:20:33,880
to know.
I said, I think that's also on a

1383
01:20:33,880 --> 01:20:38,240
need to know basis like maybe
the top brass know, but like

1384
01:20:38,320 --> 01:20:43,360
some of the, some of the the
lower folks they might know

1385
01:20:43,360 --> 01:20:44,920
we're looking for something
important.

1386
01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:47,960
But you don't trust that
information to everybody just

1387
01:20:47,960 --> 01:20:50,400
because they're working there on
site, you know?

1388
01:20:50,400 --> 01:20:53,480
Because I don't think they know
exactly what it is.

1389
01:20:53,920 --> 01:20:57,160
He just knows that it has
something to do with with fear.

1390
01:20:57,600 --> 01:21:00,240
That's all he knows.
Yeah, yeah.

1391
01:21:00,280 --> 01:21:01,920
They but they.
But he probably feels like

1392
01:21:01,960 --> 01:21:03,400
they'll know more once they
find.

1393
01:21:03,760 --> 01:21:06,600
It right and that's what they're
bringing in handling for because

1394
01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:09,000
he was like I need a guy like
you to go find this thing

1395
01:21:09,360 --> 01:21:13,800
because whatever this weapon is
it generates fear and the best

1396
01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:17,520
way to get it is to send
somebody with No Fear and I was

1397
01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:21,040
like yeah y'all gonna send them
in to die 'cause he has no he

1398
01:21:21,040 --> 01:21:25,840
has No Fear of death so.
First, first of all, you know,

1399
01:21:25,840 --> 01:21:28,320
thanks to Glenn Thurman, we know
he don't die.

1400
01:21:29,080 --> 01:21:31,520
And thanks to The Shining, we
know they don't die.

1401
01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:34,120
Yeah, everybody up until The
Shining.

1402
01:21:34,760 --> 01:21:36,960
Well, up until the.
Well, yeah.

1403
01:21:37,400 --> 01:21:40,200
Yeah, the movie anyway.
The movie anyway.

1404
01:21:40,200 --> 01:21:44,040
Yeah, but we know everybody else
is fair game.

1405
01:21:44,160 --> 01:21:46,720
Fair game, yes.
Everybody else, those are the

1406
01:21:46,760 --> 01:21:49,160
only two we know for sure.
Yeah.

1407
01:21:49,920 --> 01:21:58,160
Well, and Teddy's older brother.
Yes, yeah, 'cause he's, yeah,

1408
01:21:58,160 --> 01:21:59,720
he's staying you're he's staying
standing.

1409
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:01,160
There.
Yeah.

1410
01:22:01,760 --> 01:22:02,880
And that's one of the things
you.

1411
01:22:03,120 --> 01:22:06,440
Know Sis.
With Dick, some of them were in

1412
01:22:06,440 --> 01:22:08,040
The Shining.
He tells them that he had a

1413
01:22:08,040 --> 01:22:11,080
story when he was in the in the
army and he saved somebody.

1414
01:22:11,440 --> 01:22:14,840
I can't remember who it was, but
that's he just knew that the

1415
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:17,760
something was going to happen
and he saved somebody while

1416
01:22:17,760 --> 01:22:19,360
there was on base or something
like that.

1417
01:22:19,360 --> 01:22:23,080
And I wonder if that's how he
ended up in this position where

1418
01:22:23,080 --> 01:22:24,960
they know he got the Shining.
You know what I mean?

1419
01:22:24,960 --> 01:22:27,160
Like, I feel like that's where
that comes from.

1420
01:22:27,520 --> 01:22:30,760
Well, how they could tie him
into this is because of that,

1421
01:22:30,760 --> 01:22:33,400
because there's something to do
with him being in the Army and

1422
01:22:33,560 --> 01:22:36,960
him having the Shining.
And he knew something happened.

1423
01:22:36,960 --> 01:22:38,480
And then something about his
brother.

1424
01:22:39,320 --> 01:22:40,960
I forget.
It's been so long, but yeah.

1425
01:22:41,880 --> 01:22:43,400
I'll tell you what it made me
think of.

1426
01:22:43,440 --> 01:22:46,760
It made me think of Starship
Troopers.

1427
01:22:48,680 --> 01:22:53,000
What's his name?
Oh God, why can't I think his

1428
01:22:53,040 --> 01:22:54,200
name?
Which one?

1429
01:22:54,440 --> 01:22:57,080
Did I make his character?
Oh, Neil.

1430
01:22:57,720 --> 01:23:01,720
Patrick Harris OK, psychically
controlling one of the other

1431
01:23:01,720 --> 01:23:03,320
people.
Yeah, to.

1432
01:23:03,480 --> 01:23:06,640
Find the bug that I'm sorry, he
just made me think of that.

1433
01:23:08,040 --> 01:23:09,320
That's so.
Adam loves that movie.

1434
01:23:10,160 --> 01:23:11,680
I know I was thinking about
that.

1435
01:23:11,680 --> 01:23:15,680
I was thinking about that movie
today because most of the cast

1436
01:23:15,680 --> 01:23:18,120
were at Rhode Island Comic Con
this past weekend.

1437
01:23:18,120 --> 01:23:22,440
And I really wanted to go
because I was like, Oh my God,

1438
01:23:22,600 --> 01:23:25,960
they're all here, and I couldn't
go.

1439
01:23:26,320 --> 01:23:28,480
But anyway.
But yeah, so.

1440
01:23:29,640 --> 01:23:34,480
So they bring handling out to
this this site where they're

1441
01:23:34,480 --> 01:23:36,880
digging.
And it just so happens that as

1442
01:23:36,880 --> 01:23:40,160
they're bringing him there,
they've made a discovery.

1443
01:23:40,440 --> 01:23:43,960
OK, But it's not what we're
thinking.

1444
01:23:43,960 --> 01:23:45,800
If we're thinking that they're
looking for it.

1445
01:23:46,200 --> 01:23:50,000
They pull out a Jeep that's been
buried in mud.

1446
01:23:50,600 --> 01:23:59,400
I completely buried and it has
like 7 skeletons on the.

1447
01:23:59,400 --> 01:24:02,480
Inside a lot of bodies.
A lot of bodies, a lot of

1448
01:24:02,480 --> 01:24:07,080
bodies.
So yeah, that that's not

1449
01:24:07,080 --> 01:24:09,360
Pennywise, but.
It's.

1450
01:24:09,680 --> 01:24:12,080
Giving something off 'cause he
he found it.

1451
01:24:12,440 --> 01:24:15,080
He does, yeah.
Whatever it is, it's connected.

1452
01:24:15,080 --> 01:24:18,360
I feel like, yeah, based on the
on the way they were talking, I

1453
01:24:18,360 --> 01:24:21,640
feel like when he has he hits
whatever he hits, there's

1454
01:24:21,680 --> 01:24:27,800
residuals of whatever, Pennywise
says like left behind, and

1455
01:24:27,800 --> 01:24:30,920
that's what he's detecting.
OK, yeah.

1456
01:24:32,080 --> 01:24:42,920
But yeah, so my whole thing is,
and I understand y'all are

1457
01:24:42,920 --> 01:24:46,760
trying to, you're trying to
avoid war, you're trying to find

1458
01:24:46,760 --> 01:24:49,280
a weapon that's going to give
you the upper, upper hand.

1459
01:24:51,080 --> 01:24:55,200
But another thing is stop going
digging for shit that you don't

1460
01:24:55,200 --> 01:25:00,280
know what you're digging for.
I mean, like I'm thinking about

1461
01:25:00,280 --> 01:25:02,840
the money.
Stop going digging for stuff.

1462
01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:06,480
Don't.
Read from the book.

1463
01:25:06,520 --> 01:25:08,200
Ground.
How about that?

1464
01:25:09,280 --> 01:25:11,360
Why are you going digging for
stuff?

1465
01:25:12,280 --> 01:25:15,960
Especially if you.
Have an idea of the potential

1466
01:25:15,960 --> 01:25:20,400
for damage that this thing can
do I mean I and I get it

1467
01:25:20,400 --> 01:25:25,600
military war, you're looking for
the upper hand I get it but one

1468
01:25:25,600 --> 01:25:29,600
thing about being in the
military and war and all of that

1469
01:25:29,600 --> 01:25:36,480
stuff it really I feel like and
I I'm really not trying to be

1470
01:25:36,480 --> 01:25:39,560
insulting but I think when you
get to a certain point where

1471
01:25:39,560 --> 01:25:43,520
you're only thinking about the
power and what you can

1472
01:25:43,520 --> 01:25:47,280
accomplish with it it.
Makes men stupid.

1473
01:25:47,800 --> 01:25:50,000
It really does.
Because.

1474
01:25:50,480 --> 01:25:55,120
If this is something that you
know, generates fear to the

1475
01:25:55,120 --> 01:26:00,640
point where you have to go find
a man who is medically unable to

1476
01:26:00,640 --> 01:26:07,520
feel fear, that should worry you
just a little bit, yeah.

1477
01:26:09,520 --> 01:26:11,400
And then just not only that, but
like.

1478
01:26:12,200 --> 01:26:13,800
You know, could you think?
About like they created the.

1479
01:26:13,800 --> 01:26:18,400
Atomic bomb and all this stuff.
They you I'm like, so you create

1480
01:26:18,400 --> 01:26:20,960
this guess what, somebody else
just going to create the same

1481
01:26:20,960 --> 01:26:23,600
thing and come after you.
So it just never ends.

1482
01:26:23,960 --> 01:26:27,080
So yeah, they find this one
thing that they think is going

1483
01:26:27,080 --> 01:26:31,400
to end, but then I'll is it just
going to spread it everywhere

1484
01:26:31,560 --> 01:26:36,520
over time or, you know, like you
said, you you create an atomic

1485
01:26:36,520 --> 01:26:38,080
bomb, OK.
Yeah, fine.

1486
01:26:38,360 --> 01:26:41,400
Somebody's going to make
something better, right?

1487
01:26:41,680 --> 01:26:46,080
And bigger and more destructive.
So.

1488
01:26:47,040 --> 01:26:52,920
Yeah, I just, that whole thing
just kind of gets to me because.

1489
01:26:52,920 --> 01:26:55,520
It's like.
You literally are asking for

1490
01:26:55,520 --> 01:26:58,000
disaster.
You're asking for trouble.

1491
01:26:58,680 --> 01:27:04,640
You are asking for it and it's
to the point where if you are

1492
01:27:04,640 --> 01:27:09,720
making these kinds of decisions,
trying to one up somebody trying

1493
01:27:09,720 --> 01:27:14,680
to, I don't even want to.
I don't even.

1494
01:27:14,680 --> 01:27:16,360
Know if I want to say you're
trying to?

1495
01:27:16,360 --> 01:27:18,560
Stop war because.
Something with that kind.

1496
01:27:18,560 --> 01:27:20,880
Of potential, you're not going
to stop war.

1497
01:27:20,880 --> 01:27:23,800
You're, you're going to have the
mindset of, oh, let's strike

1498
01:27:23,800 --> 01:27:26,440
first while we can, because,
because we can.

1499
01:27:27,000 --> 01:27:30,560
Yeah, there's no stopping war.
You you just want to be the one

1500
01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:35,960
to start shit and the worst on
the receiving people who you're.

1501
01:27:35,960 --> 01:27:39,320
Going to war with the.
Worst they come back after your

1502
01:27:39,320 --> 01:27:42,880
butt.
I mean, for the most, I mean,

1503
01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:46,360
like, like, yeah, I mean, that's
how Harbor and Hiroshima, yeah,

1504
01:27:46,360 --> 01:27:48,800
that's how we got the Nazis to
begin with is.

1505
01:27:48,800 --> 01:27:51,560
Because of how crazy I mean.
Obviously there were things that

1506
01:27:51,560 --> 01:27:55,520
need to be done, but they they
sanctioned and and did so much

1507
01:27:55,520 --> 01:27:59,080
to Germany and they were able to
come back with Hitler because

1508
01:27:59,440 --> 01:28:02,680
those people were at their last.
They were destitute.

1509
01:28:03,200 --> 01:28:03,880
They were.
Desperate.

1510
01:28:04,240 --> 01:28:06,520
They were desperate.
And so Hitler came with a good

1511
01:28:06,520 --> 01:28:07,320
idea.
And they were.

1512
01:28:07,320 --> 01:28:10,280
Like, let's go he.
Promised them some stuff or not

1513
01:28:10,280 --> 01:28:12,200
a good idea, but you know, I get
what.

1514
01:28:12,200 --> 01:28:13,440
You're saying a good idea to
them?

1515
01:28:13,560 --> 01:28:15,160
To them.
Right, he made promises.

1516
01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:20,120
Right, he.
Did he did and so.

1517
01:28:20,560 --> 01:28:22,400
Oh well, we.
We can't get no worse than where

1518
01:28:22,400 --> 01:28:24,080
we at.
You know, look at what they did

1519
01:28:24,080 --> 01:28:26,240
to us.
We, you know, like come on, it

1520
01:28:26,240 --> 01:28:28,240
happened.
What else that happened also

1521
01:28:28,240 --> 01:28:32,640
with what else did that happen?
That the same thing right now?

1522
01:28:33,240 --> 01:28:34,920
Oh, I'm sorry, did I say that
out loud?

1523
01:28:40,560 --> 01:28:46,760
Child, but yeah, so you just.
You know, I remember like with

1524
01:28:46,760 --> 01:28:50,240
the with over there in
Afghanistan and stuff and stuff,

1525
01:28:50,240 --> 01:28:54,000
whatever, that stuff happened,
what, in the late 70s, early 80s

1526
01:28:54,000 --> 01:28:55,760
with the weaponry and all that
stuff.

1527
01:28:56,080 --> 01:28:59,040
And then what did we get later
into in the early 2000s?

1528
01:28:59,240 --> 01:29:01,200
Like this stuff, it has
consequences.

1529
01:29:01,200 --> 01:29:05,000
People just, yeah, you know, I
don't know.

1530
01:29:05,120 --> 01:29:07,520
I mean, I'm not.
A I'm not a word person.

1531
01:29:07,520 --> 01:29:09,200
I don't know what.
How to make it better?

1532
01:29:09,200 --> 01:29:12,760
How to make war more efficient
so that people don't come back.

1533
01:29:12,920 --> 01:29:15,000
But I remember this from Donnie
Brasco.

1534
01:29:15,800 --> 01:29:18,800
They said you always kill your
enemy and make sure they're

1535
01:29:18,800 --> 01:29:20,920
obliterated, because if you
don't and you leave somebody

1536
01:29:20,920 --> 01:29:22,440
behind, they going to come back
and get you.

1537
01:29:22,440 --> 01:29:26,360
They don't come back.
That's all I'm saying, Yeah.

1538
01:29:27,640 --> 01:29:29,320
But my.
Thing is, y'all are put.

1539
01:29:29,320 --> 01:29:35,360
Y'all are pulling jeeps full.
Of bodies out of the mud.

1540
01:29:35,560 --> 01:29:38,440
That somebody with some
supernatural abilities.

1541
01:29:39,600 --> 01:29:41,000
Yeah.
Found.

1542
01:29:41,080 --> 01:29:44,080
As I say, I don't think.
It was a Jeep I think it it

1543
01:29:44,480 --> 01:29:46,960
looked like.
It looked like a really nice

1544
01:29:46,960 --> 01:29:49,640
car.
I think it was like a Cadillac,

1545
01:29:50,040 --> 01:29:51,880
yeah, or something, something
like that.

1546
01:29:51,880 --> 01:29:52,840
Like that?
Yeah.

1547
01:29:53,960 --> 01:29:54,600
But.
It had.

1548
01:29:54,600 --> 01:29:56,760
It had.
So I at first thought it was

1549
01:29:56,760 --> 01:29:58,120
going to be the.
Car with the.

1550
01:29:58,120 --> 01:30:01,520
Family at first 'cause I was
like I did too.

1551
01:30:03,560 --> 01:30:06,280
Is this the IT car?
With the family.

1552
01:30:06,280 --> 01:30:09,240
In it but then they were talking
about the bodies and I was like

1553
01:30:09,240 --> 01:30:12,600
I don't know.
But she said she saw a Tommy gun

1554
01:30:12,600 --> 01:30:18,960
so she cause.
You know, Oh, OK, dancers.

1555
01:30:18,960 --> 01:30:22,000
That came.
And the townspeople killed them

1556
01:30:22,000 --> 01:30:23,400
all.
Yeah.

1557
01:30:23,760 --> 01:30:26,240
They must have buried the car.
Oh yeah.

1558
01:30:29,600 --> 01:30:31,080
Yeah, OK.
Yeah, I'm going to have to

1559
01:30:31,080 --> 01:30:32,880
reread.
That book, Yeah.

1560
01:30:32,880 --> 01:30:35,920
And I didn't freeze.
Frame so I took the word for it

1561
01:30:36,000 --> 01:30:37,040
to saw Tommy.
Gun.

1562
01:30:37,040 --> 01:30:40,280
So all right, OK.
Oh, you know what?

1563
01:30:40,320 --> 01:30:43,080
There was a Tommy gun 'cause if
it was.

1564
01:30:43,240 --> 01:30:47,200
Laying across the sea when they
were had to OK no, you're she.

1565
01:30:47,200 --> 01:30:50,800
Yep, there was there was Emily.
OK, Yep.

1566
01:30:52,200 --> 01:30:53,440
So I guess we'll see.
But either.

1567
01:30:53,440 --> 01:30:56,400
Way it goes.
Y'all y'all unearthed in some.

1568
01:30:56,400 --> 01:31:01,480
Shit y'all probably should have
left buried something is the

1569
01:31:01,480 --> 01:31:04,960
best left.
Buried especially.

1570
01:31:04,960 --> 01:31:11,760
In dairy I see.
I see aunt.

1571
01:31:11,840 --> 01:31:13,880
Found the little boy's name.
Rich.

1572
01:31:14,520 --> 01:31:17,360
Rich.
Yeah, his name is Rich because I

1573
01:31:17,360 --> 01:31:19,960
was looking at the IMDb.
And I'm like, oh, I got to make

1574
01:31:19,960 --> 01:31:21,400
sure I look at these.
Little babies names.

1575
01:31:21,400 --> 01:31:29,640
And stuff because.
Yeah, did we, did we leave

1576
01:31:29,640 --> 01:31:32,840
anything off?
I think we got a good thing.

1577
01:31:33,200 --> 01:31:36,880
I feel like yeah.
I'm glad.

1578
01:31:37,440 --> 01:31:39,480
I'm glad we.
Got the gross stuff out the way.

1579
01:31:40,320 --> 01:31:43,680
And, and now we, we could kind
of, we, we've mellowed out a

1580
01:31:43,680 --> 01:31:45,520
little bit.
I mean, this stuff is still

1581
01:31:45,520 --> 01:31:47,160
weird.
You pulling bodies out the

1582
01:31:47,160 --> 01:31:52,480
ground and yeah, you, you got
somebody finding bodies

1583
01:31:52,720 --> 01:31:56,560
supernaturally and it's just,
it's a lot going on.

1584
01:31:56,560 --> 01:32:01,440
But yeah, I'm I'm have to watch
this third episode cause the way

1585
01:32:01,440 --> 01:32:08,480
y'all talking about it, I'm I
don't know, don't know.

1586
01:32:09,760 --> 01:32:14,960
It's just I definitely, yeah, I
like, I don't know, I like this

1587
01:32:15,000 --> 01:32:18,760
episode.
I thought it was interesting.

1588
01:32:18,960 --> 01:32:22,760
Now I did hear, I did see
something in one of the groups

1589
01:32:22,800 --> 01:32:24,600
that I'm.
In they were talking about.

1590
01:32:25,760 --> 01:32:29,120
I think somebody made a comment
about them appropriating.

1591
01:32:29,120 --> 01:32:31,560
Something because.
Apparently they're trying to say

1592
01:32:31,720 --> 01:32:37,440
the Orisha aren't involved, so
yeah, but.

1593
01:32:40,560 --> 01:32:44,520
Yeah, it's it's.
It's it's more.

1594
01:32:45,000 --> 01:32:47,600
Like they didn't really put.
Like the whole.

1595
01:32:48,240 --> 01:32:52,480
Thing to it and so you have to
you have to have the whole

1596
01:32:52,480 --> 01:32:57,040
situation to I feel like they
just immediately was just angry

1597
01:32:57,040 --> 01:33:01,640
in general on behalf of the
black of the diaspora of you

1598
01:33:01,640 --> 01:33:04,840
know you know our our methosen
or whatever but they got to

1599
01:33:04,840 --> 01:33:09,360
remember that it's it's a it's a
bunch of people that fall under

1600
01:33:09,360 --> 01:33:12,520
a lot of that it's a lot of
mixture with a lot of different

1601
01:33:12,520 --> 01:33:18,800
religions from you know Africa
from you know yeah so and so

1602
01:33:18,800 --> 01:33:22,960
yeah I don't think they meant it
to be that way 'cause OK it's

1603
01:33:23,160 --> 01:33:25,520
it's hard to say without
spoiling you on why they said

1604
01:33:25,520 --> 01:33:27,120
that OK well.
I see it you'll.

1605
01:33:27,160 --> 01:33:28,040
See what I mean?
Yeah.

1606
01:33:28,560 --> 01:33:30,840
Yeah, this one makes sense.
And then we'll talk about it.

1607
01:33:31,920 --> 01:33:32,760
Yeah.
So.

1608
01:33:34,040 --> 01:33:39,880
You guys have anything final to
say about this episode besides I

1609
01:33:39,880 --> 01:33:43,120
don't ever need to see another?
Child bursting in TV ever.

1610
01:33:43,680 --> 01:33:46,520
Or, you know, pickle tentacles.
I don't need to see that ever

1611
01:33:46,520 --> 01:33:49,480
again.
So yeah, OK.

1612
01:33:51,200 --> 01:33:55,120
The only other thing I'm going
to say is this weekend, November

1613
01:33:55,120 --> 01:33:58,760
14th through 16th is Conjuration
Time here in Atlanta.

1614
01:33:59,120 --> 01:34:02,880
That is a three day fantasy
convention that we have all

1615
01:34:02,880 --> 01:34:06,000
attended for the last several
years and we will be there again

1616
01:34:06,000 --> 01:34:09,720
this weekend.
We will be doing lots of panels.

1617
01:34:09,720 --> 01:34:13,200
Dina will be on some of those
panels with us and she will also

1618
01:34:13,200 --> 01:34:17,800
be doing some game show panels
with some other friends of ours

1619
01:34:19,000 --> 01:34:22,440
if you are interested.
If you're in Atlanta and want to

1620
01:34:22,440 --> 01:34:24,600
have some geeky fun, come join
us.

1621
01:34:25,040 --> 01:34:30,760
You can find information on the
website conjurationcon.com or

1622
01:34:30,760 --> 01:34:34,960
you can go to the Phantom Hybrid
website.

1623
01:34:34,960 --> 01:34:37,440
Yes, I'm reeling the man.
Come have fun with.

1624
01:34:37,440 --> 01:34:41,200
Us it's a it's a great.
Time we're going to do panels,

1625
01:34:41,200 --> 01:34:43,600
we'll have games.
They have lots of entertainment.

1626
01:34:43,720 --> 01:34:46,600
We will have a wicked theme ball
this year.

1627
01:34:46,880 --> 01:34:49,640
So yeah, come out, have some fun
with us.

1628
01:34:49,640 --> 01:34:52,320
Check out our details on
phantomhybrid.com.

1629
01:34:52,320 --> 01:34:55,480
You can find all of our panel
information there, so you can

1630
01:34:55,480 --> 01:34:57,200
see what we're going to be
talking about.

1631
01:34:57,200 --> 01:35:00,960
And if you happen to be there
and you listen to the show, come

1632
01:35:00,960 --> 01:35:03,680
up, say hi, let us know who you
are.

1633
01:35:04,040 --> 01:35:07,040
And on that note, that is it for
our show.

1634
01:35:07,120 --> 01:35:10,600
You can find us online at
www.phantomhybrid.com.

1635
01:35:10,800 --> 01:35:13,600
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1636
01:35:13,600 --> 01:35:15,480
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1637
01:35:15,480 --> 01:35:17,480
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1638
01:35:17,480 --> 01:35:20,440
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1639
01:35:20,440 --> 01:35:23,280
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1640
01:35:23,280 --> 01:35:25,200
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