IT: Welcome to Derry (Season 1 Episode 4) - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #385

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What's up hybrids?
Welcome back to another episode

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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast.
This is Hanukkah and I'm here

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with Anthony, Michelle and Dina
and we are discussing episode 4

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of it.
Welcome to dairy.

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And I was wrong in the last
episode.

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We have 8 episodes of this
series.

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So we are now at the halfway
mark.

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OK, OK, OK, so we we've actually
been discussing this before we

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start recording.
So I don't even know where we

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gonna start.
We gonna start from the

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beginning with the with the
police station and these kids

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and the and the pictures because
I'm I'm a little confused or at

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least I feel like the kids I'm
confused like how have pictures

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that all of a sudden y'all
looking at the pictures and no,

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nothing match up.
Like, I know as a viewer, but

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I'm sure those kids are like
this dude is fucking with us.

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This whatever this thing is,
it's messing with us.

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Yeah, and and the pictures, how
do you have one that actually

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does look like a clown?
And y'all don't y'all.

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Like, oh that's a statue, yeah
y'all got?

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Because in that one, it really
could have been a statue.

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Or it could.
Have been a person I don't know

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too many.
Statues whose eyes glow.

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And I'm just helping.
I don't know well.

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We know he already fogging the
the brains already, but you

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know, for for him, he it is he's
just really kind of messing with

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them, you know, but he just he's
just the kids.

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He's like, OK, I'm going to ramp
this up a little bit.

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Right and.
I'm not saying it was the grown

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folks to not believe them
anymore.

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And that just makes it 30 times.
Worse and their their fear and

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stuff.
But it it was just so funny that

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they go and think and they did
it.

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They got it together and not in
the photos.

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And now you now you kind of put
yourself on the police chief's

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radar because now anything that
y'all say to him, he's not going

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to believe it.
You already have the what?

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The town crazy girl, you know,
quote UN quote, you have the the

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murderer's daughter, you know,
you have the son who you meet

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the Mama later on, but now
you're going to be like, oh,

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that's the troublemaker son.
And we don't know where Rich is

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going.
You know how they're going to

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look at Rich later on 'cause
like I was telling Dina, I said,

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OK, we seen everybody's fear
monster except for riches.

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I have a feeling his is going to
come in the next episode.

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Yeah.
And it's going to be what?

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Maybe his uncle?
Should be.

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But I'm sure we'll get a little
more background on him in the

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next episode.
So you literally have the only

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four kids, or the only four
people really, who are fully

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aware that there is something
going on in the town who have

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actually laid eyes on, on, you
know, something.

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And now nobody's gonna believe
them.

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So, you know, but this is, this
is part of his thing.

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He's gonna isolate the kids.
Yeah.

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And then pick him off 1 by 1.
One by one, Yep.

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It does suck that they that the
the native lady works in town

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and her people know about
Pennywise and know that there's

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evil here and these poor babies
are suffering and ain't no what

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like it's.
It sucks 'cause hopefully now

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that the mom and her have made,
made kind of made friends, like

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maybe they'll talk, they'll
like, figure it, figure out

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something's happening.
I don't know.

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Yeah, I feel bad for these kids.
I do too.

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And, and it's it's sort of like
a commentary on what is going on

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at the time.
Like think about it, civil

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rights hadn't really happened
yet.

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And Indigenous people, we are
literally what, 60 years away

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from them being served on
reservations and basically

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locked away.
So why would they share any

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information with with anybody?
Right, especially when they told

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you at the beginning, hey, y'all
don't want to go in this area,

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y'all need to leave us alone.
When when the when the settlers

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first came and y'all didn't
listen.

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Like they said, don't build no
houses over there, stay away

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from the area and the seller's
like Nah we build wherever we

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want to build they.
Told them not to even go in the

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woods.
They told.

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Them.
They they went in there, they

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haunted, they did whatever they
want to do.

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And at that point, it's like we
tried, so why would we ever try

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anymore?
Yeah, and then they was treating

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them bad anyway, so at some
point they were just like, well,

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I guess they'll figure it out.
But did you notice outside of

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the wood when when Tanya was
telling the story and he was

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talking about the settlers got
killed, you notice they never

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moved.
They never moved the bodies.

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They never moved the carnage.
The carnage stayed where it was.

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They were like, that's a
reminder.

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Yeah.
What happens when you don't

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listen and you go into the
woods?

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But but I guess the good thing
about some of what's happening

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with the kids will actually does
get the well, let me change

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that.
He didn't get the courage to

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tell his Mama.
His Mama went snooping.

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Now, I would say this, and I
said this to Dina before the

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episode.
So I'm on the fence about

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Charlotte Hamlin.
There are times when I'm I'm OK

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with her character and there's
there are times when I just

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really don't like her character.
And I don't know if it's just

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that I think it goes beyond the
her standing up for things.

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Like in this episode, we see you
nosy, you pushy.

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And.
I just.

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Like she's not standing up for,
she's not standing up for

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rights, she said.
I was straightening, I was doing

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some tidying up and I found
these stuffed in an envelope in

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the back of your door, looking
there.

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That's why we need to put her on
the case 'cause she needs some

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things to do there.
There is nothing to stop the.

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Boundaries.
Is she, is she taking all the

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clothes at the drawer to fold
them and put them back in the

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drawer like?
What is happening?

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Are are you?
Literally going through all his

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things but honestly.
She probably.

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Was.
But here's the thing though,

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that kid ain't doing nothing.
He not doing anything.

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Well, obviously, I mean, if you
find something, you may find a

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magazine that his dad gave him
'cause his dad trying to push

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him Bolton that he ain't doing
that.

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I mean, of course he's out there
taking pictures at the cemetery,

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but other than that he ain't
doing anything if she pulled.

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The pictures out.
Wait, wait.

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Taking the pictures.
If she pulls the pictures out,

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it's just pictures.
He may be into photography.

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Right.
It's just pictures.

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He was experimenting.
He was he was learning how to

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develop.
At night.

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But that was a probably, it was
that night and it was in a

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cemetery.
So that probably was like what

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it's. 9 O clock and you know
where your child.

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Is team and she didn't because
she didn't even realize what day

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he took the pictures.
Right.

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What's Tuesday?
Wednesday, right.

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But yeah, so it's like, I guess
on the one hand is it it's good

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that she has the pictures
because she was able to get some

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information out of him.
So at least he he's telling

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somebody.
So somebody is aware and

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thankfully unlike Lily's mom,
you know, he tells her, hey,

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somebody was chasing after me.
What did she do?

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She went straight to the police
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So somebody's chasing my child.
I need you to look into that.

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And oh by the way, while I'm
here, let's talk about this man.

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Y'all got locked up.
I was like, again, you are

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drawing way too much attention
to yourself.

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I need you to just kind of, Oh
no, chill out.

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Just just be a nosy Mama for
right now.

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Don't get mixed into all the
other stuff, especially with the

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stuff that we find out.
Yeah.

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But on the other hand, on the
other hand, the chief of police

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has to understand when you say
things like this is not like the

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South, dude.
Everything you're doing makes it

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feel like it's just like the
South.

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Yeah.
But on the other hand, I kind of

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got to I, I, I got to sympathize
with him because he's telling

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you it's not like the South,
like we have proof this man

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lied.
So it's not like he just

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singling this man out.
He has proof that you wasn't

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where you said you were supposed
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Be that's true, but then it
became but then, but then it

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became like the South when he
can't tell where he was.

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Well, yeah, that, but.
But the police chief don't know

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that.
Yeah, or maybe, but I'm just

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saying suspicious, but you know,
he.

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He know not to say nothing.
It also he knows he, he's like,

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oh, it's not like the South
because he's like, oh, we're not

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doing it to the level that they
doing it at, but they still

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doing it because they oh, he a
black man.

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It had to be him that did it.
And that's the only proof he had

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'cause until he found out he
lied about being outside his

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house, he have no proof to lock
that man up.

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No, nothing.
He just did it 'cause he knew it

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was about to be some trouble.
And the you know my.

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Whatever getting the pressure
from it, yeah, that is, that is

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something that they probably.
Did to black people all the time

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because it was just easier cause
one black person versus the mild

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white people was easier to deal
with.

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So yeah, you are very much like
the South, you just a little

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less, a little, a little.
Less of whatever they would, but

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OK, let me play devil's advocate
because let's say Grogan wasn't

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a black man.
Or let's say cow.

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OK, both of them work in the
movie theater.

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And I know, like, we understand,
we we've already had the

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conversation about Cal was the
one that was chasing after

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Maddie.
So he could have been the one

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that, you know, made Maddie
disappear.

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But if if, how had I mean, if,
yeah, if how had been a white

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dude?
OK.

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And these children came into the
movie theater.

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They, you know, movie theater's
bloody.

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The kids are missing.
I don't think they found any of

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the body parts.
I don't remember what happened

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to the hand that Lily had.
But you know, you have all this

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stuff.
You have all of this so-called,

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I guess it is evidence.
It's not evidence necessarily

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against him.
But it's like if if he if it

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wasn't the black man, if if Hal
Grogan was white and his white

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child had taken her friends into
the movie theater they all got

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murdered with, do you think they
would still go after him?

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Because what other explanation
do you have?

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And.
See, that's why I like, I get

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it.
But what I'm saying is they told

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that guy they would have been
mad over time, but because it

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was a black man, I feel like
they had more oomph in their

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anger because they thought it
was a black man versus if it was

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a white man and everybody knew
this white man and everybody was

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friends with this white man or
whatever.

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And they had no problems with
this white man before.

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Well.
Such and such would never do

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that.
They would have found a way

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until they got to a certain
point, you know what I'm saying?

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I feel like they immediately was
like, it's him, He did it even

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like, you know, 'cause they was
looking at him what they was

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looking at him when Maddie got
taken, wasn't they at first?

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They were.
These kids got taken and then

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they was like, Oh yeah, it's
definitely him, 'cause the

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theater is involved again and
it's like, and I don't.

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Think it helped that.
I don't think it helped that

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Maddie and Phil and Teddy and
all them were friends because

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that's that's another link.
Like if you already blamed him

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for this one, then it kind of
sort of follows the quote UN

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quote natural course that you.
Probably the the difference.

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The difference is a white man
would get the benefit of the

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doubt.
He doesn't get the benefit.

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Of the doubt, yeah.
That's the difference.

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Once he got arrested, the white
man would probably have his own

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lawyer.
Yeah, rather than a a defend.

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Like public defender?
Yeah.

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And so probably white.
More than a certain amount of

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time in jail.
Yeah, he had a public defender

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who's probably white.
Who?

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Is probably going to feel the.
Same kind of pressure about Oh,

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well, he's, he must be guilty
and.

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I thought about that when
Charlotte was telling him what

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his rights were and he was like,
oh, the public defender didn't

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tell me nothing about that.
Because this, that was typically

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the case during that time, yeah.
It's the case now, they don't

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care.
They're so strong.

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Usually they don't have time to
have compassion for all their

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clients.
And yeah, typically they're, you

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know, poor people who can't
afford, you know, attorneys.

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And so they don't.
It's not that they don't care,

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but a lot of times they're just
burned out.

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Yeah.
And you know so.

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Yeah, but I mean, we'll come
back and talk, talk about Grogan

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a little bit later.
But yet the short Charlotte's

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whole thing, and I don't know if
it's just, it could also be the

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way that she speaks to people
'cause even her interactions

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with her husband, I'm like, see
how y'all are married?

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Because they don't really seem
to.

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They probably sing the vibe.
They don't seem like they're

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compatible.
Well, they I think they did

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before and it was like a
opposite of tracks.

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He's followed the rules and
she's a free spirit.

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Not like that.
But you know, just vocal and

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don't go with status quo.
However, it did not help that he

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wanted to rise in, I want to say
rise in power, but rise in

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ranking and stuff.
And then the thing she did from

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their previous home, I think
it's causing the rift in their

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marriage.
But beforehand, when she would

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be like, oh, this is this and
this.

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And he'd be like, oh, this is so
refreshing, 'cause I got to go

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to work.
And if it's green, it's green.

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If it's red, it's red, but now
it's it's in, they're merging

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and that's where their marital
issues are coming into play.

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The other, the other difficult
thing is we know he doesn't feel

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fear, but we don't really know
to the extent which is we don't

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know how he was before his
injury.

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Yeah.
We don't know really what kind

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of person he was or how much his
personality change since he got

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injured.
But you can tell what his issues

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are with her.
I mean.

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Literally I'm.
I'm saying was that before or

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after his injury?
It, it doesn't matter, just just

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if you take the injury out, she
was causing problems with his

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job because of her doing all the
civil rights things.

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That's what you got to see.
And then when you come and move

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into this new town and you are
following the same path.

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We don't know how much what
slack or how much what issues he

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had on his job from what she was
doing right.

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But I don't even think it's the
medical thing.

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I think it's more of the he is
now interfering with his.

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Job I'm just saying his
contributing.

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Factor I think I do think that
like when she and me that when I

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first got together he might have
thought her being kind of a go

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getter, kind of a like fucking
with me type person.

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He might have really loved that
about her when they first met

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until they start interfering in
their home life and now in his

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job and all that stuff.
He it might have been something

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that he really loved about her.
Yeah, that's so now she he want

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her to be.
Not taking it.

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I want to say it's interfering,
but given what we've kind of

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gleaned from their conversations
and then also from what we see

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her doing now, I feel like it's
the part where is it's not just

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about her interfering.
She's literally putting them in

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danger.
Like when when Will sees

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Pennywise outside, he thinks
it's somebody watching the house

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because of Charlotte going to
the to, to the police station.

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So obviously that's not the
first time something like that

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has happened.
And he's probably more like, you

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are making us targets or you
are, you are, you're, you're

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putting us in a position where
too many eyes are on us, right?

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This needs to kind of chill out,
not do anything, not do anything

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that's going to bring us any
attention.

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Or any negative attention.
Attention.

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And that's probably what it was.
Eyes from everywhere, in and out

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of, you know, government.
Yeah, yeah.

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So.
But I she, let me tell you now,

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she is like a dog with a bone.
She's like, OK, here, here's

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something I see something is not
right, I'm a go check it out

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'cause she don't want to visit
Grogan's Mama.

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She don't talk to Rose.
She don't went and threatened

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the the police, you know,
assistant.

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She was like, look, you don't
let me see him.

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I got a note for his girl.
When I tell you I fell out when

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she said I got a note from his
Mama giving me permission to see

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him.
I was like, what is he, 12?

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But she was like, if you don't
let me go in to see him, I will

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have MLKJFKRFK and every other
FK up here.

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I was like, oh, OK, so she knows
some folks.

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So that also lets you know kind
of how deep she might, she might

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have been in the movement
because if she's rattling names

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like that saying, oh, I can make
a phone call and they'll be here

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in the morning.
Yeah.

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Her husband might have something
to to worry about, like, Oh

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yeah, she about to bring the big
hitters.

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Or she could have just been
using the name because she knows

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what names make white people
thinking.

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I don't, I don't know, something
about the the confident way she

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said it makes me feel like she
probably knew these people.

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Or at least I mean it's not out
of the realm of possibility she

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would know MLK.
Right.

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No, that's true.
I just wonder if she really.

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Yeah, right.
She just knew she had him on the

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ropes and she was just like, I'm
going to dig it in.

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I don't know, I kind of I kind
of feel like she she might be

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serious and that might be one of
the things that Leroy is worried

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about.
Not well, not worried because of

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course this man don't have fear,
but he can still be like, I'm

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going to need you to chill out
because we got a child over

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here.
We got to think about and we,

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you know, his safety and his so
I don't know she, I she is a

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very interesting character
though, but I am kind of divided

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on whether or not I like her or
not.

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I just it's like I don't mind
stirring the pot, but she's

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stirring and and she just I just
feel like it's about to explode

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in her face.
I feel like something good, you

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know, especially now.
Not only is she on the radar of

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the police because of course,
you know, that police officer

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went back and told the chief,
oh, yeah.

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So she wants to do this.
Yeah.

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Go see Grogan after you
specifically told her not to go

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see Grogan.
So now she's going to be on the

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police chief's radar.
Her son is on the police chief's

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radar.
And not only is her son on the

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police chief's radar, he's also
now Pennywise's radar.

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Yeah.
So.

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And I know she has nothing to do
with the Pennywise thing, but I

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have a feeling she and her
husband are going to figure out

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something real quick because
Leroy already knows something

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weird is happening.
He leave, you know, he goes

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fishing with Will.
Will's fly comes off the line.

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He's like, oh, stay right here.
I'm going to go to the car and

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get the, I'm looking at that
like Will if you don't go with

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your daddy, right?
Why at least come out the water?

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Out the water, at least.
First of all, when the clown

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fish swam up, I was like,
really?

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Yeah, no clown fish, no fishes
coming to you, clown fish.

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And.
It was big, right?

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Because.
I thought it was a cool day at

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first.
Like what?

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And then he just.
Sat.

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I did look.
At.

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Him, I said I did too.
I was like, well, that's a big

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Oh no, that's a clown fish.
And when it grabs him, like the

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good thing is Leroy at least was
paying attention because he

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hears the commotion from the
car.

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He goes running.
And my daughter, she was

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watching the episode with me.
She said, I guess he feels fear

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now.
I was like, I don't know if that

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was fear or if it was just he
hurt his son.

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And he was like, OK, I got to go
get to my son.

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Because you may not have fear,
but that's still your child.

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You know you still.
I'm sure if they have their

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paternal instinct, yeah, it's
not, it's not in the same part

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of the brain as you.
I do wonder, like is it could it

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is it possible to have No Fear
for your own life, your own

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safety, your own mortality, but
you fear for other people?

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Is that a thing that's is that a
separate thing or?

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And I was thinking that too,
especially when when his son

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starts getting more in danger,
how would he feel?

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Yeah.
See, I think, I don't know, I

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think if it's his fear in
general, but like things like

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paternal instinct and instinct
to paternal.

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Fear.
Those are all in different parts

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of the brain than than the fear
part.

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So yeah, but I mean, at least he
also like when when Will is

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trying to tell him because what
happens is the clown fish turns

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into a hand, pulls him under.
He sees a vision of his dad

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burned.
And when he's telling his dad

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about it, he was like, yeah, I
saw you.

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You wouldn't.
You pulled me under.

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You were burnt like you was
after your plane crash in Korea.

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And, you know, his dad is like,
hold up, You're not making

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sense.
And then when he looks at Will's

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arms, Will has scratches.
And like, he told Halloran later

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on, he was like, he was
scratched up like an animal that

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scratched him.
Like, what are we looking for?

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I'm glad he thought about that
because right when Will is like

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there's something bad here in
Derry.

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He didn't even question it, he
said Hold on y'all some weird

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shit has been happening since
remember?

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He's always analyzing and
processing, so he quickly put

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two and two together.
'Cause he went to go see the

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general, he was like, what do
you have us looking for out

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there?
He, he goes to see Halloran.

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He's like, what are we looking
for?

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And Halloran's like, I don't
know.

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I, I don't know, but Halloran is
also still having his little

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visions too.
So I at least with Will being

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kind of sort of in danger or
being on Penny Wise's radar, at

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least now you have, you do have
a couple of adults who are kind

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of aware of what's going on.
And like I said in the last

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episode, his dad might be the
best person for him to discuss

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that with.
Because if dad has No Fear,

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Penny Wise can't really do
anything to him.

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Like even even after we'll sees
them in the the telescope and

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Leroy goes outside to try to
confront whatever it is.

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Whoever he he thinks is watching
the house, he sees the red

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balloon in the tree just like
they saw the balloon at the

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river earlier that day.
He's just looking at it like,

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OK, y'all got some weird shit
going on.

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Yeah.
At least at this point, you

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know, your son's not lying.
You know, he's not exaggerating,

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he's not making up, you know,
some stuff.

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As as an observer in this
situation, my concern would be

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if Penny Wise finds out this man
ain't scared of him or or looks

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like he's not scared of him, to
what extent would he go?

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To see.
To see if he can make him

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scared, that would be my
concern.

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And it would have to do with
Charlotte and Will.

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I mean, we know it's not really
going to be Will because we know

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Will grows up, has a son Mike
and and we know Mike grows up.

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So we know it's not going to be
Will.

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But you, you remember I was
mentioning, I said they don't

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really mention Charlotte and the
losers in the, you know, the

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versions of it where we see Mike
talk about, you know, we, we

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know his grandfather is there,
but that's the only family he

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00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,720
has.
But we also know it changes over

449
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:23,280
time, so this version of it may
not be as petty as the more

450
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,800
recent version you.
You really want, you really want

451
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,160
to say that after March, I think
he's very.

452
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:31,800
No, he's yeah.
I think he just fine-tuned the

453
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,880
pity for the other group here.
He's just all over the place and

454
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:36,600
out of control.
Yeah, but that, that was my

455
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,000
concern.
Like, oh, he's scared of me.

456
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:42,040
Well, let me see if I can make
him scared, you know what I'm

457
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:43,560
saying?
Like what?

458
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,040
To what extent is he going to
go?

459
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:47,680
But you know what?
Because I.

460
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:51,160
Was going to say he may not be
scared, but what what he with

461
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:55,320
me, if he realizes something his
targeted his son and his fucking

462
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,800
will, he going to be angry.
That's going to be something

463
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:02,360
that, you know, I don't think
Pennywise wants to deal with

464
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:08,920
either.
But yeah, I I was just like that

465
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:12,480
poor little will because that
baby, he'd have been through it.

466
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:17,800
But I feel like he he would use
that anger though 'cause when he

467
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:21,960
when he used Henry Bowers to
come after them when they were

468
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,720
grown cause Henry was still.
At.

469
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:26,560
And what's the place called
again?

470
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:27,920
Juniper Hill.
Juniper.

471
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:31,400
Hill, he was still in Juniper
Hill and he was, he was still

472
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,400
mad after all them years, even
though he was clearly a little

473
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:38,480
little gone, but he was, he was
like, oh, oh, I'm gonna get

474
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:41,520
them, you know, he was still
like thinking about them kids so

475
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,640
he could use that anger and make
him turn against the wrong

476
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:51,160
person.
Yeah, but it's going to be

477
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:54,120
interesting to see how that
works out because I, I'm kind of

478
00:26:54,120 --> 00:27:00,640
like Anthony, like if, if this
man has No Fear, we, we see even

479
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:04,640
with the, the flashback of the
story that we hear later on

480
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:10,960
about the the monster's origin,
he attacked grown, grown people.

481
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,200
Then now I don't know if you
know, I think one of you

482
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:15,640
mentioned it in the last
episode.

483
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,120
Maybe his preference turned to
children because their, their

484
00:27:19,120 --> 00:27:22,920
fear is more pure.
So maybe that's why he targets

485
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,240
children now.
But we see that wasn't always

486
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:31,160
the case.
So I don't know at I, I think

487
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:37,000
Leroy is going to be case study
because you don't have fear.

488
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,600
Obviously, you, you can't feel
something that's akin to fear

489
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:44,440
because you worried about your
son enough to haul ass and get

490
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,960
into that river and enough to
go, you know, see who was

491
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:51,880
stalking outside your house.
Again, that could just be anger,

492
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:56,280
but that could also be empathy
or just love.

493
00:27:56,280 --> 00:28:00,000
Like this is my son.
Like I'm not scared, but I don't

494
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,840
want him to.
I don't want him to be scared.

495
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,080
Well, however that works, I, I
don't know what it's like to do

496
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:09,600
without fear.
I'm scary, so I don't know.

497
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,600
But I, I think it's going to be
interesting to see what happens

498
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,360
with him and how this moves
forward.

499
00:28:18,360 --> 00:28:23,560
Especially since he has an idea
already that there is something

500
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,400
not quite right with dairy
because of what the military

501
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:30,960
has.
But also will Pennywise make

502
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:37,440
that connection and, and what
would he do if he does like, oh,

503
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:41,560
wait, you're the same guy that
was flying the plane that was

504
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:45,320
coming and look for me.
And this is your like, will

505
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:51,760
Pennywise make that connection?
And will he do something like on

506
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:57,920
purpose to try to, I, I don't
know, maybe, maybe get rid of

507
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:03,120
Leroy or he'll try to get rid of
Leroy because, OK, if this man

508
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,560
is not scared of you, then he's
a threat to you.

509
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:09,720
He's a yeah, he's a huge threat.
He's a threat, probably the only

510
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:14,440
threat that's in the town right
now, aside from the, aside from

511
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:18,160
the the Indigenous people and
the Indigenous people are just

512
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,840
basically like we know where to
stay away from.

513
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:22,160
Right.
You stay on your side.

514
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:23,600
I stay.
On why?

515
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,520
Because what did they what did
they say in the story?

516
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:31,440
They lived in harmony with him.
They stayed away from out of his

517
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,880
hunting grounds and he stayed in
the woods because he could.

518
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:36,800
He couldn't cross because of
whatever.

519
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:38,040
Because they knew.
Because.

520
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:39,920
He wasn't strong enough at that
time.

521
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:41,880
Yeah, and they know his nature
too.

522
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:46,160
Yeah.
So I'm sure they, I don't want

523
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,840
to say they do psychological
training, but by telling them

524
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,680
the stories and all this stuff
and keeping them away from it,

525
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:55,840
they're, they're kind of
prepared.

526
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,080
Mm Hmm.
So he can't sneak up on him and

527
00:29:58,080 --> 00:29:59,600
scare him to death.
Yeah.

528
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:00,360
Because they had.
Something.

529
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:01,600
They were ready.
For.

530
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:05,200
Also, you know the one of the
things they they also always

531
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,920
say, especially when it comes to
like indigenous people, native,

532
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,960
native people, when they pass
down their words, their oral

533
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,360
histories, that does have a kind
of its own magic about.

534
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,120
It it does have power.
You know, because especially the

535
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,680
way she told them she was like,
I want you to repeat the story

536
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,560
like this is not, I, I know I've
mentioned this before.

537
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,400
It's, it's not like a game of
telephone where you tell

538
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,320
somebody this, they tell
somebody this and y'all might

539
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:33,280
get a few of the details wrong.
No, they make sure that they

540
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,720
tell these kids for and that
they memorize.

541
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:39,840
And he said the the elders made
us memorize this when we were 7.

542
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:45,000
And the way that he told that
story is almost like he was

543
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,040
reading the book.
They made sure they didn't, you

544
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:51,400
know, they didn't fudge on any
of the details or anything.

545
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,920
So in a way, that has its own
kind of power because they

546
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:58,440
believe that story.
I remember the the reason why

547
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,680
the Losers Club was able to beat
him is because they had

548
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:05,840
confidence and and knew what he
was and was able to face him

549
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:07,360
down.
But he can't.

550
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:12,240
He doesn't is very it seems like
it it has a problem with that.

551
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:16,840
Like it has to really scare you
and get that fear out of you.

552
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,720
If you can't, then it doesn't
really have any power.

553
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:24,040
So it makes sense that the
stories they tell make sure that

554
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,080
they're able to be protected
against it.

555
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:32,440
And then also the conversation
that the kids were having when,

556
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:36,120
you know, again, these are some
smart kids because Lily was

557
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,400
like, well, what if there's a
way for us, you know, if, if

558
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:43,520
it's coming after us with fear,
you know, Will was like the he

559
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,000
was talking about the fear
hormones.

560
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,840
He was like, yeah, adrenaline
and cortisol.

561
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:52,080
He said a lot of a lot of
predators when when there's a

562
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:57,000
lot of that in, in their prey,
you know, it kind of excites

563
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:58,720
them and makes the hunt better
for them.

564
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:04,760
And I was laughing at Ronnie and
Rich because Ronnie was like,

565
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,160
well, let's assume that.
Rich was like, no, I don't want

566
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,400
to assume that.
That sounds horrible.

567
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:13,320
Like why are we going to do
that?

568
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:17,320
Let's just not do that.
But I mean, it makes sense for

569
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:21,280
what we know of of Pennywise and
the way that that it operates.

570
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,600
Yeah.
Again, it's going to be

571
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,800
interesting because we know
Leroy doesn't have it.

572
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:37,080
And I, I don't know, maybe
'cause obviously Halloran has,

573
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,600
he has no problem being scared
because you can see that it

574
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,720
when, when he saw his
grandmother in the woods, he was

575
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:45,840
clearly scared.
She was giving him a warning.

576
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,520
Yeah.
You know, So I, I don't know if,

577
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:56,160
if, if it comes after him while
he's with Hamlin, you know, I

578
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,320
guess kind of sort of like it
was in the airplane.

579
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:03,960
But if he comes after him in a
more gruesome way, let's say,

580
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:08,920
like what happened with Marge,
like I, I don't know what

581
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,040
handling at that point.
Will he still be immune to it or

582
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,080
I'd like.
I don't, I don't know how that's

583
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:18,800
gonna work.
I mean, I don't think he'd be

584
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:22,920
scared.
But it's again, what do you, how

585
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:27,920
do you deal with an enemy that's
not scared of you if you're pain

586
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:29,000
wise?
You don't.

587
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:30,840
You don't mess with him.
You don't.

588
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:34,080
You just don't.
You don't like you don't.

589
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,600
Kind of like Howard said.
He was like, yeah, I know not to

590
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:38,000
mess with you.
Right.

591
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,400
I mean, 'cause it.
I can't get what I want from

592
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:44,080
you, so why even bother?
Like he's sensing everyone so

593
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:45,280
I'm not even going to deal with
you.

594
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:52,240
And I also feel like if Dick can
pull himself together, he might

595
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,240
be as strong as, if not stronger
than it.

596
00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:04,320
He's got to get over his fear if
he realizes that it is doing it

597
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:08,560
psychically and he's like, wait
a second, I'm also a psychic and

598
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,080
maybe he can battle it and he
probably.

599
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:15,920
Can't 'cause I don't think it
can hurt him as much, even

600
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,719
though he's scared, but I think
that's the one thing that's

601
00:34:19,159 --> 00:34:21,440
saving him.
And I don't think he was

602
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,880
prepared again, without our
preparation.

603
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:27,040
I don't think he was prepared in
the helicopter because like you

604
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,639
said, like you said last
episode, you pointed out he

605
00:34:30,639 --> 00:34:32,000
wasn't.
He wasn't supposed to.

606
00:34:32,199 --> 00:34:33,400
He wasn't supposed to see them.
Yeah.

607
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,080
It wasn't supposed to be, right?
Yeah.

608
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:41,360
So he just got to get over his
his hang ups and, and, and put

609
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:45,560
his mind to it because, you
know, in the Shining, it seems

610
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:47,320
like he's a pretty powerful
psychic.

611
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,040
And even in Doctor Sleep, he's a
pretty powerful psychic.

612
00:34:51,639 --> 00:34:56,400
So if they're going to go with
that universe for this, then he

613
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,800
should be pretty powerful
psychic.

614
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:01,800
OK.
Or clairvoyant or whatever you

615
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,600
want to say.
Yeah, 'cause I mean, obviously

616
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,360
we know he also makes it out of
this, so he's not going to die

617
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:08,680
in this series.
We know that.

618
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:10,760
No, he just got this out of the
dodge.

619
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:14,680
I mean.
I would too.

620
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,120
Maybe that maybe look, maybe
that's why we don't see

621
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,200
Charlotte.
Maybe Charlotte got got the hell

622
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:20,680
out of Dodge.
Maybe she left.

623
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,920
And maybe for whatever reason,
Leroy didn't leave.

624
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:28,000
Maybe maybe he's not having any
fear was a reason for him to

625
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:29,240
stay.
He's like, oh, OK, you know

626
00:35:29,240 --> 00:35:30,360
what?
He can't harm me.

627
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:34,040
At least I can stay here.
And I mean, if we, if you think

628
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:39,120
about it and it, Mike is the one
that stays.

629
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,200
He becomes like kind of sort of
a historian.

630
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:46,000
He becomes the library.
He is the one that retains the

631
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,320
memories of the stories of what
happened.

632
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:52,600
Maybe it was, maybe it's similar
for him what the Indigenous

633
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:56,080
people did.
Maybe once what happens here

634
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,360
happens and Leroy is a part of
that.

635
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,880
Leroy passes it down.
The Will, of course, Will knows

636
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,840
all the stuff because Will is
the one who's experiencing it

637
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,560
first hand right now.
And maybe they are the ones who

638
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:12,720
pass it down to Mike and like,
hey, somebody has to remember,

639
00:36:13,240 --> 00:36:17,160
just like the Indigenous people.
Maybe that's that's maybe that's

640
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:22,040
the tie with the handlers,
because Will is kind of Ground

641
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:25,800
Zero at this point and Leroy
doesn't have the fear factor.

642
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:30,080
Maybe that's what contributes to
the handling staying there and

643
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,760
that could.
I'm curious, I'm curious to see

644
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:39,160
how much Leroy retains because
we know the monster puts the

645
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:43,080
adults in the fog and even the
kids, as they grow older, they

646
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:46,920
forget what's happening.
So.

647
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:52,320
But I wonder again if that has
something to do with if him not

648
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,040
being from dairy will have an
effect on that.

649
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,240
Right.
And leaving because the kids

650
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:04,280
forgot because they left.
Yeah, but everybody in the town

651
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,640
is like that.
Well, they don't don't leave,

652
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:10,120
but they don't forget it.
They gloss it over like they'll

653
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:13,640
be like, do you remember when
you were a kid?

654
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:14,840
Yeah.
I mean, some kids wouldn't

655
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:16,440
listen, but I think we're all
fine.

656
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,360
Yeah, like the.
Like they they have an

657
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,480
abnormally high number of
children go missing in the.

658
00:37:22,720 --> 00:37:24,560
City away.
They ran away.

659
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:26,480
We never found.
That's what the nurse said.

660
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,520
The nurse was like, what was
what was it?

661
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:32,160
She said it was the the
depression families, people are

662
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:36,760
trying to go get food and stuff
like they remember, but they

663
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,040
didn't have to.
They didn't deal with it because

664
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:42,960
the people who deal with Penny
Wise didn't make it.

665
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,160
So there's a group that wouldn't
know who he is.

666
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:46,960
They just know that kids were
missing.

667
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,160
No one encountered him and
survived.

668
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:54,800
I guess the reason I'm saying
that is why would Leroy, after

669
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:58,920
all the crap happens, stay?
Now that's what we gonna have to

670
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,480
find out 'cause that make no
sense where he stays and raised

671
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:03,040
his family there his.
Family.

672
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,880
There.
Yeah, that part, I don't know.

673
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:07,320
That's.
That's really You don't have to

674
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,120
have your farm in Maine.
You can have your farmer open.

675
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:14,200
Right, We can go to Florida, I
mean Georgia I that is the

676
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:15,440
that's.
What I said question.

677
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:20,880
Interested to see right and they
they have to find like I don't

678
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:25,800
know.
Does she die the wife, Charlotte

679
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:29,080
Yale, you know, and they want to
stay close to her box.

680
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:33,800
I thought, I just thought that
after that maybe she left after

681
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:38,040
Will's father died, after Will
dies in the fire with his wife.

682
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,040
She left.
She'll be old at that point.

683
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:45,560
Yeah, I'm.
I'm saying like maybe she had

684
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,480
been trying to leave, so you
might be the person I think like

685
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,200
we need to get out of.
Here and then you wouldn't leave

686
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:54,480
your grandkid there.
Well, the way it works.

687
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:59,120
No, no dancing people do leave.
Come on now, but and especially

688
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:02,120
given this character but this
character that yeah.

689
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:07,040
And people do leave doing it
because on it Part 2.

690
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:08,480
Unless I give her the benefit
of.

691
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,160
That but it part.
What she might be there She.

692
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:15,400
Might be there.
Yeah, now she miss Nosy.

693
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,600
Now, we do admit that, but I
didn't say she was not a bad

694
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:19,640
parent.
She's trying to.

695
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:25,120
But then again, she could the
only we only saw we only saw

696
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:29,160
Leroy for a brief moment, so
it's possible that she could

697
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,400
have just been at the.
Farm, yeah, but the.

698
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,280
But the question is not about
Charlotte.

699
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:38,560
The question is why do you stay?
Why stay?

700
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:40,480
That's what.
I was asking why.

701
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,960
That's and they have to make
that really good and people do

702
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,800
leave because you have it like
it it too.

703
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:50,920
The couple, the guy was from
Dairy, and he's bringing his

704
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:54,560
partner to Dairy for the
carnival, for the fair.

705
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:58,880
So that means they didn't live
there, they just came home.

706
00:39:59,920 --> 00:40:04,480
Yeah.
But ultimately, if you encounter

707
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:08,280
Pennywise, you don't live so
well.

708
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,440
It's not like you.
You got a losers club that that.

709
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:16,240
Yeah, that happened to And then
they all left except for Mike,

710
00:40:16,240 --> 00:40:18,000
and he remembered that he
studied.

711
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,520
Yeah, 'cause once they put him
back down for 20 something

712
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:23,080
years, they had a break so they
could.

713
00:40:23,240 --> 00:40:26,760
Yeah, but big is different
'cause that's not, that's not

714
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:31,720
like he's not from dairy and
he's been seeing the world like

715
00:40:31,720 --> 00:40:34,640
that all his life.
So.

716
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:39,000
So yeah, look, we have four more
episodes in this first season,

717
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,960
so maybe some of that will get
answered because I think the

718
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,800
second season, third season,
they're going further back in

719
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:47,160
the past, right?
So.

720
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:51,880
So we gotta find out at what
happens with Leroy and Charlotte

721
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,600
them in this season at least.
Yeah.

722
00:40:55,720 --> 00:40:58,600
'Cause we had to be in their
time period for Season 2.

723
00:41:00,240 --> 00:41:02,200
I know we better.
They better not play no games.

724
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:04,560
Yeah.
Leave us hanging.

725
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:09,600
Right, 'cause no, I don't, I
don't think they would do that

726
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,560
because why would you make this
family so prominent?

727
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:16,800
Like you're literally putting
them, all three of them have

728
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:20,600
their hands in this Pennywise
puzzle, even if it's kind of

729
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:23,320
like just adjacent, they're all
in there.

730
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:30,240
So, yeah, you can't make them
that important or that central

731
00:41:30,240 --> 00:41:36,040
to the story and then just kind
of drop it, not without having a

732
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,880
full riot and people abandoning
the show.

733
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:45,440
So, So yeah, I guess we we may
find out because that that would

734
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,120
be interesting.
Like I really want to see how

735
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:54,200
Pennywise handles a person like
Leroy who, who doesn't feel, who

736
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:58,880
doesn't have any fear and, and
what do you do after that?

737
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:05,680
Because something tells me if if
you have this one person that is

738
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:12,040
not affected by you, has No Fear
about you for something like

739
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,680
Pennywise, Pennywise don't like
being foiled.

740
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:19,360
We see, we know that he doesn't
like people getting, you know,

741
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:23,680
over on him or one upping him.
So you got to think there's

742
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,400
going to be something, there's
going to be some kind of

743
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,680
consequence to it.
Not that Leroy is doing it on

744
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:31,960
purpose.
It just happens to be what

745
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,640
happens.
But there's gonna be some kind

746
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:38,120
of reckoning and they
unfortunately, it may be

747
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:42,040
Charlotte.
Yeah, Which maybe Charlotte I

748
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:44,360
really would hate.
I really hate it if they kill

749
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:45,320
her man.
'Cause.

750
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:53,400
So I don't know.
I'm wearing that.

751
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:56,800
I feel like she she does bring
something.

752
00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:59,160
Yeah.
That's needed.

753
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:01,400
Somebody need to question this
shit.

754
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:06,920
Right, right, right.
You know, just don't go in your

755
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:12,120
child's drawers in the back,
underneath, on the side, take to

756
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,280
the What are these?
Pictures.

757
00:43:15,240 --> 00:43:18,400
That are not nudie pictures,
they're not disgusting pictures,

758
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:21,680
they're not weird they're just
statues I'm.

759
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:25,600
Sorry you you go digging for
dirt but witch can find dirt.

760
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:29,240
Dirt kind of like she kind of
like what she found when she

761
00:43:29,240 --> 00:43:31,840
went to go visit Hal Grogan.
So let's talk about Hal Grogan

762
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:35,280
for a minute.
Anthony, you were you were kind

763
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:40,640
of hinting in the last episode
that you figured out what Grogan

764
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:42,640
was doing before you saw this
episode.

765
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:44,240
Was it what you?
Was it what you thought it?

766
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:48,680
Was exactly what I thought it
was, the exact 'cause they gave

767
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:53,000
no indication that he was like a
drug addict or anything.

768
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,960
Right now this dude was hanging
out with some some.

769
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:57,920
He was probably with some white
chick.

770
00:43:58,240 --> 00:44:02,840
I want to guess she was married.
And for a minute I was thinking

771
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:07,280
that's who it was.
Lily's mom is what I was

772
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:08,320
originally thinking.
Oh.

773
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:10,800
Oh.
But she, she but.

774
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,640
But I, I I tossed that.
I tossed that idea.

775
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:16,320
But yeah, I figured that's what
it was.

776
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,320
Because what?
What?

777
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:22,840
That is the only thing that a
black man at that time period

778
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,760
would not admit to or say to
anybody.

779
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:29,080
No, because Dina and I was
thinking he might have been

780
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,240
seeing another man.
He could have been.

781
00:44:31,240 --> 00:44:35,280
Something else?
No, he if it was another black

782
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,600
man, why do they?
They don't care about that.

783
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:40,920
Y'all fooling around with each
other, who cares about that?

784
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:45,720
Nah at the time.
Now there's, I mean, not not as

785
00:44:45,720 --> 00:44:48,240
much as him messing around with
a with a white woman, but.

786
00:44:48,240 --> 00:44:51,440
If they would have made fun of
him, they would have told

787
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:55,160
everybody in the town, but they
would not have cut his balls off

788
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,080
and lynch them from a tree.
Through.

789
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:01,520
That that is not the same kind
of fear, embarrassment and shame

790
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,600
is not the same as fearing for
your life.

791
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:06,120
Oh.
No, I get that.

792
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,280
Those are two totally different
things.

793
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,800
So yeah, of course a black man
at the time, no man at the time

794
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,400
would admit that they were gay
because they would be

795
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:18,920
embarrassed and shamed, right?
But no black man at that time

796
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:23,280
period would ever admit to being
with a white woman, much much

797
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:25,840
less self married white woman.
Yeah, yeah.

798
00:45:26,240 --> 00:45:28,680
Come on.
Out that 'cause that was wild.

799
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:31,200
Yeah, 'cause when?
'Cause both of them be dead,

800
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:32,440
yeah.
She was like.

801
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:35,720
No, she was like.
A married woman, like not just

802
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:36,880
married.
I was like.

803
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:39,520
He was like beat her, but she
would be dead.

804
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:44,000
But now the question is, who is
the husband?

805
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:46,920
Who is it?
Yeah, just who is it, period.

806
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:48,080
Who is it?
Not the captain.

807
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,640
Oh God.
Hopefully not the captain.

808
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,440
Oh, that would put.
Some bets on that.

809
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:59,280
Who it is really, put some.
Bets on, right I mean.

810
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,720
Not the one, it's the captain's
wife.

811
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:03,600
I mean.
Who's not the one?

812
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:07,920
Yeah, I was going to say we we
haven't really met anybody in

813
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:11,760
the town except for the captain,
the general, maybe a couple of

814
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:18,800
the military guys, but but
nobody that it would I, I don't

815
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:22,400
know, nothing.
Nobody would be like Oh my God,

816
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:27,560
except for.
Except for Chief Bowers, I mean.

817
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:34,640
And maybe I mean if if if her,
but she'll.

818
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:38,080
Be kind of old, wouldn't she
'cause she's.

819
00:46:39,240 --> 00:46:42,880
Well, it depends 'cause they she
didn't have to be, 'cause he oh,

820
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,200
you know that, you know that and
you know.

821
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:46,760
That they never.
Got to.

822
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:49,080
Be the same age.
You're right, especially at that

823
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:50,600
time.
Yeah, that's true.

824
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:56,800
She.
Could be a OK, but.

825
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:00,120
But also just, you know, 'cause
if we 'cause that's supposed to

826
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:04,640
be, is that Henry Bauer's
granddaddy or his daddy is?

827
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:06,480
Granddaddy.
I think that's his.

828
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:12,280
It's his granddaddy.
He'll be his granddad right

829
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:14,000
'cause he's about their age and
the he's.

830
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,160
About their age, yeah.
Oh, that's right.

831
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:18,080
Yeah.
The losers club age.

832
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:19,240
Yeah.
So yeah, everybody.

833
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:24,560
'S got history of remember,
there's gonna be like a history

834
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:30,600
of like that black man slept
with my grandma and then my

835
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:34,600
grandparents got I mean, that
would explain why Henry Bowers

836
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:37,160
is racist, I mean.
Racist, right?

837
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:45,120
It it would explain, but yeah.
Oh my God, yeah.

838
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:48,720
That that would be interesting,
but I mean, but either way it

839
00:47:48,720 --> 00:47:52,120
goes.
I mean he how got a problem now,

840
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,760
because you can't say where you
were.

841
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:58,880
You know, obviously your alibi
shot 'cause I was really your

842
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,440
Mama was so adamant about the
fact that you was there.

843
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:05,960
I really thought that you was
there and I guess Mama thought

844
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:07,640
it too.
But like you said, Mama was

845
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:10,480
probably asleep.
Read her Bible and.

846
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:14,480
Right, she doesn't know in and
out that house.

847
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:17,920
Both of them was out the house
now that she didn't even know

848
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:20,080
she.
Said I thought he was in his.

849
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:24,880
Room right and obviously thought
Ronnie was in hers too when she

850
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:29,440
was at the theater showing
showing a a weird move it to

851
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:31,720
friends while they're getting
torn apart so.

852
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:34,840
And then her dad thought she was
home with with granny.

853
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:36,480
The granny ain't paying to
nobody.

854
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:39,920
It's 10:00.
Do you know where your children

855
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:43,080
are?
In the room, did you go check?

856
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:46,080
Can you check where your?
Young children and your grown

857
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:49,760
children are 'cause obviously,
Mama Grogan, don't.

858
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:59,280
Oh, so no, here's the thing.
OK, so maybe it's not the chief,

859
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:04,120
'cause I was just thinking he
seems to work days.

860
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:09,520
Yeah, he went over to the house
and it was 11:00-ish or whatever

861
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,920
time it was.
OK, so whoever it is has to work

862
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:16,560
overnight.
So that's why I thought it was

863
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:20,400
Lily's mom but.
But she she doesn't have a

864
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:22,720
husband.
But maybe they were doing it

865
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:25,320
like when he was still alive,
maybe.

866
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:30,960
No, no, because recent.
Yeah, because he but the husband

867
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:33,120
has to has to have the night
job.

868
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:36,600
That's what you said.
Right, like 'cause that he's

869
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:38,800
sneaking over to see her at
night, so the husband has to

870
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:42,520
work overnight.
Captain Captain's at the bar or

871
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:46,480
his pre seat, but that's that's.
Well, he, yeah, I mean, I mean,

872
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:48,960
he could very well be working
late, but it seems like he's

873
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:50,920
always there, mostly during the
day.

874
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:55,000
Yeah, but he's here at night.
He had the bar, remember?

875
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:56,880
He go and get his balls in.
Yeah, but.

876
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:00,200
That's pushing it though.
Like you just know he going to

877
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:02,920
be at the bar all night long.
And she said she could be at

878
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,720
Bridge.
I don't know.

879
00:50:05,720 --> 00:50:08,440
No, I don't know.
Well, I guess it also depends on

880
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:11,000
where he goes when he meets her
to be honest, because.

881
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:14,360
Right, because I was going to
say one, you're in a small town.

882
00:50:14,720 --> 00:50:17,120
Yeah.
So you are a black man with a

883
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:20,920
white woman that if y'all are
out in public anywhere that's

884
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:24,240
going to be noticeable.
Well, he's smoking cigarettes in

885
00:50:24,240 --> 00:50:26,880
the alley, is he?
He waiting for 'cause that's

886
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:30,160
that's where he was with her.
Well, then what they doing

887
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:31,560
that's.
Where they found the cigarettes?

888
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:34,040
Wow.
I mean, you know, some people.

889
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:37,080
Hit it in the alley if that.
If they got nowhere else to go,

890
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:39,400
so.
It didn't quit it in the alley,

891
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:42,600
right?
Or or something I.

892
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:45,840
Mean obviously he not taking it
to the theater.

893
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,000
Right.
Well, at least that part.

894
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:49,720
We know that.
Right.

895
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:54,800
At least that and so I guess it
could be could be.

896
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,800
Poor enough where she's like it,
but you know, they the husband

897
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:01,240
works at somewhere overnight and
then they have like a little

898
00:51:01,240 --> 00:51:03,880
apt, a little something little
building or something they can

899
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:06,040
go to.
So I don't know but it just

900
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,480
don't seem worth it whatever he
doing.

901
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:13,720
It's love.
'Cause you he he never said

902
00:51:13,720 --> 00:51:15,720
love, he just said I was with a
woman.

903
00:51:15,720 --> 00:51:18,920
Then he said it just happened
so.

904
00:51:21,720 --> 00:51:24,440
Wait a minute, like it it just
happened?

905
00:51:24,720 --> 00:51:26,680
Like we didn't.
A night in the alley, yeah.

906
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:30,280
It's just, it just sort of
happened.

907
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:33,280
Our relationship just kind of
came from like, you know,

908
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:38,600
talking about movies.
Anybody family into movies?

909
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:40,120
Maybe they taught that the movie
theater.

910
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:41,920
Maybe we need to go back to the
first episode.

911
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:44,120
There might be a hint or a clue.
Good.

912
00:51:46,240 --> 00:51:52,840
Point.
Yeah, I mean, I see now Anthony

913
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:59,120
got me thinking about Lily's mom
because I don't know when Ronnie

914
00:51:59,240 --> 00:52:03,040
remember, Ronnie came to the
house to go off on Lily and the

915
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:05,920
mom was like, you need to get
out of here.

916
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:08,440
What did she do?
She called granny.

917
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:10,560
She was like, you better get out
of here before I call your

918
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:12,720
grandmother.
How you you got her grandmother

919
00:52:12,720 --> 00:52:17,680
on speed dial like her?
Like Lily and Ronnie literally

920
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:23,120
just met.
So unless she has well, I mean,

921
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:27,600
they have the white pages back,
man, but you just gonna say I'm

922
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:31,960
a call your grandmother you so
you know the number.

923
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:33,840
Like, I don't know.
Now I'm starting to think,

924
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:38,680
Anthony, it might be.
And she work nights, she knows

925
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:40,360
what she's doing during those
nights.

926
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:42,400
And.
She might not be working every

927
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:43,280
night.
And.

928
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:48,160
She would and they go to the.
Alley well, not only that too,

929
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:52,320
but also she could be the one
panicking when Ronnie is there

930
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:56,640
because she knows oops, they got
him in jail because they think

931
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:58,960
he did this.
But I can't say anything because

932
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:02,400
they'll she could be thinking
the same thing too and Ronnie

933
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:04,600
showing up at her doorstep might
have panicked her.

934
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:08,040
I'm, I'm gonna have to go back
and look at that episode now to

935
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:10,360
see that interaction between her
and.

936
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:13,440
See now y'all y'all thinking
like me now that's good I like

937
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:18,240
that y'all see what I see.
Because you got to, you got to

938
00:53:18,240 --> 00:53:21,520
wonder when he says he's messing
around with a married woman and

939
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:25,400
it's a married white woman.
Like Charlotte wouldn't even say

940
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:29,880
it out.
She had to whisper like, so it's

941
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:33,960
one of those things where you
start thinking, OK, let's see

942
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:38,920
who can fit the bill cuz we
don't see most of the younger

943
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,520
white people that we've seen in
the town have always been

944
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:43,440
walking with a boyfriend or
husband.

945
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:46,480
In the background, yeah.
Yeah, in the background, the

946
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:50,840
only other prominent white woman
that we've seen is the the hoity

947
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:54,120
toity older woman, and I'm sorry
that just don't seem like house

948
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:57,040
tight and she don't seem like
the type who would cuz she's the

949
00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:01,840
one that's looking at them like.
Doesn't, doesn't Lily's Mama

950
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:04,640
smoke?
Oh.

951
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:07,080
I know at that time I don't
know.

952
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:08,880
She she take pills though.
Yeah, she definitely.

953
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:12,040
Yeah.
We gotta get to that.

954
00:54:12,240 --> 00:54:15,280
We take pills.
Yeah.

955
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:19,880
OK, so maybe she taking pills in
the back alley, I don't know.

956
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:24,440
I mean, she might, she might
have to if she look, she knows

957
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:28,480
she doing wrong, she might have
to in order to ease her anxiety,

958
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:32,040
right?
Mommy's little helper indeed.

959
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:36,200
But so I guess since we're
talking about the pills, let's

960
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:41,400
let's get to the pills 'cause I
gotta talk, we gotta talk about

961
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:49,240
Marge, cause boy, first of all.
OK, I'm not.

962
00:54:49,240 --> 00:54:51,680
I'm not one to wish harm on
children, no.

963
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:53,560
Of course not.
I'm not.

964
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:56,880
But Marge, you set yourself up.
She might.

965
00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:59,640
Have got what she deserved.
What she did, just a little.

966
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:02,600
Bit.
She did just a.

967
00:55:02,720 --> 00:55:07,160
Little bit, just a little bit.
Yeah, But, you know, Dina and I

968
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:09,320
was having this conversation
again before we started

969
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:11,640
recording.
And I we were thinking about

970
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:14,760
that because she was saying
that, you know, Lily was in the

971
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:19,800
bathroom stall and she was kind
of oblivious to what was going

972
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:21,520
on.
And it was kind of like, OK,

973
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:25,400
Pennywise was ignoring her
because March was already

974
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:28,400
exhibiting kind of fear because
she was scared to tell Lily the

975
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:30,400
truth.
She was trying to confess to

976
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:33,840
Lily that, hey, I know I told
you this guy like you, but I was

977
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:35,920
setting you up because they're
going to bear, you know, the

978
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:38,000
Patty cakes are going to use him
to embarrass you.

979
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,720
And she was a part of that.
She was scared.

980
00:55:40,720 --> 00:55:43,760
And Pennywise fed on that scare.
But at the same time, I was

981
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:47,480
thinking, I said he didn't go
after Lily because in that

982
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:52,080
moment, Lily was happy.
She she had nothing to fear.

983
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:53,320
She.
Oh yeah, she was.

984
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:55,760
I can't believe.
She likes me.

985
00:55:55,760 --> 00:56:00,800
She was so how Amber.
Yeah, he probably couldn't even.

986
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:02,480
I don't I don't know how this
works with him.

987
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:05,280
Like maybe he senses the fear
and made.

988
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:08,560
So maybe if she was that happy,
he didn't even notice she was

989
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:10,680
there.
See, I always feel like he just

990
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:13,480
monitors them looking for a
moment.

991
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:17,400
And in his monitoring of Lily,
he's like, oh, what?

992
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:21,400
What we got going on over here?
Yeah.

993
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:23,800
And he just kind of.
And she just kind of perked his

994
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:27,600
interest because she was already
in the heightened state of fear.

995
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:29,880
You mean March?
Yeah, March.

996
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:36,520
So he's monitoring Lily, waiting
for a moment, and then something

997
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:41,080
pops up on his radar and he sees
March is like, oh, here's a

998
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:43,920
tasty snack.
And he directs his attention to

999
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:45,440
her.
I don't even think it's just

1000
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:47,160
Lily.
I think he monitors them all

1001
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:50,560
because other kids are missing.
We just don't.

1002
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:52,760
We just not in their story.
Yeah.

1003
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:57,840
He's monitoring all the kids,
but he's he was paying

1004
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:00,160
particular attention to Lily
'cause she looks like she's

1005
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:02,200
going to be a real tasty snack
when he's done with her.

1006
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:06,160
Yeah, that poor baby.
And she tends to attract scary

1007
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:10,320
people, too.
Yeah, yeah.

1008
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:14,360
But the the whole thing with
Mars, first of all, the eyes

1009
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:17,520
thing, because when you're when
you're listening to the

1010
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:20,360
classroom lecture and he's
talking about the snails in the

1011
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:22,160
eyes.
It was like, why they showing us

1012
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:23,320
this?
I should have known.

1013
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:27,680
I should have known.
I should have known, But when,

1014
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:31,200
when Marge's eyes start bulging
out and she starts having the

1015
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:36,760
issues and she runs out.
Lily, of course, you know, she

1016
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:41,760
is taking some of her pills, her
mom's pills, and giving them to

1017
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:44,720
the other three because she was
like, yeah, you know, my mom

1018
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:47,400
says anytime she gets scared of
stress, she takes these.

1019
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:51,240
And it just, it's like her, her,
her worries float away.

1020
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:55,880
So she's trying to take her pill
when she hears Marge panicking

1021
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:59,080
because she has figured out
she's like, OK, it's he or she's

1022
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:01,400
like, whatever you see, don't
look at it.

1023
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:04,720
She doesn't realize that it's
literally messing with Marge's

1024
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:07,320
eyes.
But she tries to take the pill

1025
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:11,840
and she drops it into the toilet
and at one point you see her

1026
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:13,840
trying to go for the pill in the
toilet.

1027
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:16,520
And my daughter was like, no,
don't do that.

1028
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:17,800
She better not do that.
I said no.

1029
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:20,760
I said, believe me, the stuff
that Pennywise has shown this

1030
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:22,360
little girl already, she's
probably.

1031
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:24,280
She's going to dig in there.
In the toilet.

1032
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:29,520
Right, right, right.
If I don't care, I need the

1033
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:31,720
peel.
I need the peel.

1034
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:36,240
Me for even 60 seconds.
I will take that 60 seconds of

1035
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:38,640
bliss rather.
Than this fear.

1036
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:42,800
But of course, you know, once
Marge runs out the bathroom, she

1037
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:45,480
follows her.
Marge goes into the shop

1038
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:49,440
classroom of all.
Places, well, she for a reason.

1039
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:51,560
It was only door that was
unlocked, yeah.

1040
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:54,040
Also, she wanted to cut her ass.
Now she.

1041
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:58,520
She needed the equipment.
She yeah, yeah.

1042
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:00,440
But I, I don't think that was
her intent.

1043
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:03,000
She was just trying.
I think she may have been trying

1044
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:05,560
to find someone to help her.
I don't think even think she was

1045
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:07,600
just, she was just trying to
figure out what was going on.

1046
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:10,960
Like why are my eyes?
No, she she went straight

1047
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:13,280
forward.
She went straight for self harm.

1048
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:15,840
Sorry everyone.
I do feel, I do wonder because I

1049
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:18,760
was like, how bad was it
hurting?

1050
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:21,800
Or was it just because it was
the place that she had the

1051
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:24,960
biggest issue with herself, with
her looks and.

1052
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:28,320
Or with the eyes.
Was it just painful or was it

1053
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:33,160
just Oh my God I look terrible?
I think probably the pain

1054
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:36,080
because I mean, the way that
they the way that they show it,

1055
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:39,600
it's like her eyeball balls are
coming out.

1056
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:42,440
That's got to hurt it.
I'm I mean because wondering

1057
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:45,560
like.
It I say it's both because from

1058
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:48,680
the beginning she is
self-conscious about her eyes.

1059
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:50,160
Very self-conscious about her
eyes.

1060
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:53,760
She is that's the reason why I
even freaked her out in the get

1061
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:56,080
go 'cause she's always
adjusting.

1062
00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:59,640
I mean, it's her eyes.
Her eyes is what and people

1063
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:02,880
right?
And people talk about how big

1064
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:06,200
her eyes are.
They probably don't talk about

1065
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:07,840
it.
But for a person who have big

1066
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:11,480
eyes, I know.
So it's like that's a constant

1067
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:13,760
talking about.
That's the issue she has.

1068
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:18,200
So between the pain and also
that is the one thing I can't

1069
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:21,520
stand.
Is Lily out the here?

1070
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:25,920
Oh my.
Gosh, she, she tries to, she

1071
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:29,920
picks up the, she picks up a, a
tool and she's literally trying

1072
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:32,000
to cut it.
I I don't know what she thought

1073
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:35,160
she was doing, but she was, I
don't know if she thought maybe

1074
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:37,000
it was a growth, maybe it was
some attached.

1075
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:41,480
I don't, I don't know if she was
aware that these were her actual

1076
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:43,240
eyes that she was going to be
digging in.

1077
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:47,160
I I think she was just so far
gone at that point and probably

1078
01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:49,320
just so in pain.
She was just like, what is this

1079
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:53,000
panic?
Yeah, and, and she tries to

1080
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:56,000
gouge her eye out and that
doesn't work.

1081
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:58,200
And then she sees the fucking
table saw.

1082
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:02,680
I was like, she is not about to.
Yep, she sure is.

1083
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:07,360
And she puts her face on the
thing and she's trying to saw

1084
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:11,320
off her eyeballs.
And Lily walks and she gets into

1085
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:13,320
the classroom just as this is
happening.

1086
01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:16,320
She grabs Marsh, throws her on
the ground.

1087
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:18,200
Marge is still trying to do
whatever.

1088
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:21,480
She grabs the tool again and
she's trying to literally cut

1089
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:24,400
her eyeball out.
And I was just looking at this

1090
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:26,120
like this.
I was like, literally get off

1091
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:28,800
her, get off her, get off her.
This is not what you want.

1092
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:32,120
This is not what you want.
And.

1093
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:35,400
Literally as soon as she grabs
the tool to try to get Marsh to

1094
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:40,080
stop, she's got the bloody tool
in her hand like this and

1095
01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:43,920
everybody wants.
It that makes me laugh in.

1096
01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:48,720
Classroom.
I was just like her.

1097
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:51,000
He didn't have to do anything to
her.

1098
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:54,680
He fucked her up right here.
He just made sure she was going

1099
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:58,600
to get another one way ticket to
Juniper Hill where he would be

1100
01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:00,080
able to mess with her the whole
time.

1101
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:02,120
But you know.
How's she going to get out of

1102
01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:03,680
this?
How's she going to get out of

1103
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:05,800
this?
Yeah, Marge would literally have

1104
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:07,360
to.
Tell that it that it wasn't her,

1105
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:09,680
that I did it to myself.
Marge was not her.

1106
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:12,080
Yeah, because.
That's the only way.

1107
01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:15,280
Because she took she took the
tool out of Martha's hand.

1108
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:16,840
Right.
Yeah, yeah.

1109
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:22,280
But she's always saying the
other thing about the Juniper

1110
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:30,040
Hill thing that kind of bugs me.
I don't feel like something

1111
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:33,840
ain't right about that nurse.
It's not actually Michelle.

1112
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:36,120
That's it.
I don't like her.

1113
01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:38,720
Something right with her.
Something's not right with her.

1114
01:02:39,080 --> 01:02:39,840
It's not a rat chicken.
I'm.

1115
01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:41,640
Kidding.
Yeah.

1116
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:43,760
And see, that's the problem.
That's what I think of.

1117
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:50,520
So, no, because one, I when when
Lily meets with you to tell you

1118
01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:54,720
what's going on, like, and to
find out, hey, have these

1119
01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:58,640
disappearances happened before
and stuff like that, you are way

1120
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:01,520
too calm to talk to her.
And you are just a nurse.

1121
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:04,120
You're not a doctor, You're not
a psychiatrist.

1122
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:08,840
You're, I don't know, just the
way that she was with her.

1123
01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:12,040
She was like, yeah, we had some
disappearances, but it was this

1124
01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:13,920
like she was kind of explaining
it away.

1125
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:17,000
And then she was like, oh,
nothing like what you said.

1126
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:20,160
But you know what?
That's no excuse for you not to

1127
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:23,160
continue digging around and
finding some shit.

1128
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:27,400
What?
I got Pennywise vibes for her.

1129
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:29,800
That, you know, I was wondering
that too.

1130
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:38,080
I was like, either Penny Watts
is influencing her or she, she's

1131
01:03:38,080 --> 01:03:40,960
just a regular human and
something right, 'cause when she

1132
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:43,880
was sitting there and she
reached over and she grabbed her

1133
01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:50,880
hand, I was like, no, no, no.
Something just don't seem right.

1134
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:56,360
And I don't know if that's if
that'll play in the next episode

1135
01:03:56,360 --> 01:03:59,640
because of course, like I said,
right now, they're they're going

1136
01:03:59,640 --> 01:04:02,040
to either lock Lily up or
they're going to send her back

1137
01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:03,720
to Juniper Hill.
They'll probably send her back

1138
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:06,640
to Juniper Hill.
Because now you know, you've had

1139
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:10,000
you've had your first visit
after your dad died.

1140
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:13,160
You, you had your second visit
after the pickle incident.

1141
01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:16,480
You just went to the police
station and told them that you

1142
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:19,080
were being chased by ghosts of
your dad, friends in the

1143
01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:22,400
cemetery.
And now you are like hunched

1144
01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:26,240
over one of your friends with a
weapon in her eyes.

1145
01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:31,560
And you know, the police chief
already kind of put it out there

1146
01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:36,040
that, well, if Hal Grogan didn't
do it, then maybe people might

1147
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:39,080
say that you did it 'cause you
were with them and blah, blah,

1148
01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:42,240
blah.
And now you literally are are

1149
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:45,120
caught in a situation where it
looks like you were trying to

1150
01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:48,600
kill another child, another
friend of yours.

1151
01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:55,200
So I don't know, I feel like if
March doesn't say anything, if

1152
01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:58,560
they put her back in Juniper
Hill, the nurse can either say,

1153
01:04:58,560 --> 01:05:03,080
well, you know, she did come to
me and ask me about this, but I

1154
01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:05,320
don't think that would look good
for her either because it's

1155
01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:08,320
going to be like, why are you
asking me about dead children

1156
01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:12,680
right before you quote UN quote
attack another child.

1157
01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:14,440
I don't know something about
that nurse.

1158
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:18,880
Just don't sit right with me.
She real sketchy.

1159
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:20,880
What are y'all watching in the
background?

1160
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:25,440
March I I can tell cause 'cause
the way y'all's faces are

1161
01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:28,560
looking I was like they must be
watching Marge in the

1162
01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:31,480
background.
Yeah, I'll be back to see if

1163
01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:33,760
Marge had tried to open any
doors now.

1164
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:36,760
She went straight to the shop.
And then she really freaked out

1165
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:38,280
when she saw herself in the
mirror.

1166
01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:40,320
Yeah.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, she did.

1167
01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:43,320
Yeah, Oh my gosh.
I mean.

1168
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:47,280
I'm like you, Anthony.
I don't wanna wish harm.

1169
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:49,840
But again, we're talking about
fictional characters, so I don't

1170
01:05:49,840 --> 01:05:51,520
feel quite that bad.
Because she was.

1171
01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:53,240
She's a horrible character.
She's.

1172
01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:54,560
Horrible.
Like.

1173
01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:58,040
And to be fair, I get it there.
She's just a bad friend.

1174
01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:01,000
Who get picked on to the extent
where they feel like they gotta

1175
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:03,360
do that because they're so tired
of being picked on.

1176
01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:05,360
They're so tired of being in the
butt of the joke.

1177
01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:08,680
They feel like they gotta push
but like that's the thing, you

1178
01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:12,320
should never turn against people
who you feel are less than you

1179
01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:14,320
are less fortunate or less
popular.

1180
01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:16,880
Or who you've been best friends
with since the 1st.

1181
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:20,640
Grade to make yourself better,
because like that it never pays

1182
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:22,320
off.
That's just stupid to do that.

1183
01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:24,520
It just never pays off.
It's never a good thing to do,

1184
01:06:25,040 --> 01:06:28,160
but that's what happens these
kids when they're bullied, then

1185
01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:31,360
they start being a bully,
especially if they get popular.

1186
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:34,480
And you know what?
That's why I had no problems

1187
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:37,480
with 11 hitting Angela in the
face with the escape.

1188
01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:41,360
It's stranger to see things for.
Oh I thought she was going to

1189
01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:44,280
say something about Lucas cause
Lucas was on that path.

1190
01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:50,520
About being being a bully.
Yeah, yeah, I could.

1191
01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:52,240
I could see it was.
It football.

1192
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:54,000
Basketball.
Basketball, basketball.

1193
01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:59,400
But but I was kind of like, you
know, I think kind of symbol.

1194
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:02,040
I do kind of sympathize with
Marge.

1195
01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:07,080
I understand that and we will
address that comment later.

1196
01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:09,960
I just need to stop because he
wasn't no low key.

1197
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:13,600
He was doing it for everyone.
But we will carry on, but we

1198
01:07:13,600 --> 01:07:15,360
will talk after this recording.
Uh.

1199
01:07:16,640 --> 01:07:20,000
Oh, Anthony, you in trouble?
I had the process.

1200
01:07:20,080 --> 01:07:23,200
I'm like, he is talking about my
oh, no, we will.

1201
01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:26,800
No, we will talk about that.
No.

1202
01:07:29,160 --> 01:07:34,560
But, but I, you know, I will,
this is the, this is the way I,

1203
01:07:34,560 --> 01:07:37,320
I kind of feel about this whole
March situation.

1204
01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:40,760
Like, yes, I do feel like March
in a lot of ways.

1205
01:07:40,760 --> 01:07:43,400
She is also a victim because
like you said, when, when you're

1206
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:47,120
being bullied, especially with
that kind of power structure in

1207
01:07:47,120 --> 01:07:52,480
that day and age, like you
really are trying to stay afloat

1208
01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:56,720
and you already like you're
already walking the line because

1209
01:07:56,720 --> 01:07:59,480
everyone knows that your
so-called best friend is a

1210
01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:01,280
looney.
You know, she, she belongs in

1211
01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:04,000
the loony band supposedly
because of everything that she's

1212
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:07,360
been through.
So you're trying to walk, you're

1213
01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:09,960
trying to tow the fence.
I I get it.

1214
01:08:13,040 --> 01:08:17,279
I guess the problem that I have
is just that you already know

1215
01:08:17,279 --> 01:08:19,160
your friend is going through
some shit.

1216
01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:23,200
Yeah, that's really.
And you just don't have the the

1217
01:08:23,319 --> 01:08:27,279
like Lily, look for society, you
know, Scooter, Paddy case.

1218
01:08:27,279 --> 01:08:29,479
I don't care about them.
I got more important things to

1219
01:08:29,479 --> 01:08:30,880
worry about.
Because she do.

1220
01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:35,560
And this is somebody who
everybody else thinks doesn't

1221
01:08:35,560 --> 01:08:38,479
have, you know, she's got to
lose her, her screws, little

1222
01:08:38,479 --> 01:08:41,040
she, she ain't got it all
together, but she's the one that

1223
01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:43,800
can stand up for him.
You can at least say, you know

1224
01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:47,560
what, I'm not going to do this
because that's my friend, right?

1225
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:52,720
But she did it.
Now she got to pay for it.

1226
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:57,000
So my question is, when are the
other two Patty cakes going to

1227
01:08:57,000 --> 01:08:59,080
get what they got coming to
them?

1228
01:08:59,080 --> 01:09:04,319
Because they are the instigators
and I I have a feeling like

1229
01:09:04,319 --> 01:09:07,560
they're probably going to start
being scared now because now you

1230
01:09:07,560 --> 01:09:11,279
don't pushed you don't push the
crazy girl to the point where

1231
01:09:11,279 --> 01:09:14,800
you think now she has she has
attacked the person that you

1232
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:19,000
sent to to betray her.
Y'all got to be worried now so

1233
01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:22,640
you you're giving Pennywise
fresh fresh bait.

1234
01:09:24,200 --> 01:09:27,880
But I, I'm kind of like, I mean,
you see my screen name, She had

1235
01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:31,520
it coming at.
She had it coming.

1236
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:34,720
Yes, that's exactly what I was.
Coming because I was like, you

1237
01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:37,720
know what?
I don't, I don't want her to

1238
01:09:37,720 --> 01:09:39,479
die.
I know I said it a couple

1239
01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:42,479
episodes ago, I don't want her
to die, but I did feel like she

1240
01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:45,120
needed to be humble however.
She needed something, yeah.

1241
01:09:45,880 --> 01:09:50,000
I was not expecting it to be
something like this, but OK, It

1242
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:52,880
is what it is.
You were doing some bullshit and

1243
01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:56,720
you had bullshit done to you.
Like we said, Pennywise can be

1244
01:09:56,720 --> 01:10:05,440
petty, but now it's kind of
like, and all of that now Lily

1245
01:10:05,440 --> 01:10:08,960
is back in trouble.
She's, you know, she's going to

1246
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:13,080
be back in Juniper Hill.
And then you have your friends,

1247
01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:16,560
Ronnie, Will and Rich come in
and they see what's going on.

1248
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:21,280
Now, I'm sure they they probably
figured out that has to do with

1249
01:10:21,280 --> 01:10:24,880
this thing.
But again, they can't go tell

1250
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:28,840
anyone because they're already
on the radar as Oh, OK, y'all

1251
01:10:28,840 --> 01:10:31,280
one, y'all are hanging with the
crazy girl.

1252
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:34,800
Yeah, y'all went to the police
station and said some crazy

1253
01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:36,440
stuff.
So.

1254
01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:40,240
They can't even open their
mouths to to defend her at this

1255
01:10:40,240 --> 01:10:41,760
point.
Yeah.

1256
01:10:42,680 --> 01:10:49,040
So now she's going to be in
Juniper Hill scared, alone and

1257
01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:51,400
with that crazy nurse, 'cause
I'm sorry, that something

1258
01:10:51,440 --> 01:10:52,880
something right about that
nurse.

1259
01:10:54,200 --> 01:10:58,960
I just, I don't think Lily is
going to make it through the

1260
01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:02,520
season.
I just don't see it happening.

1261
01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:06,360
And if she does, like I'm
sitting here trying to remember,

1262
01:11:06,360 --> 01:11:10,160
like maybe she was, maybe she
was a patient in Juniper Hill in

1263
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:12,720
the original it.
I don't remember because, again,

1264
01:11:12,720 --> 01:11:14,880
it's been so long since I've
read the book.

1265
01:11:15,400 --> 01:11:18,560
Yeah, I don't, but.
Never, not anything.

1266
01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:21,640
I just things don't look good
for her.

1267
01:11:21,640 --> 01:11:24,800
Like Pennywise left her alone
this episode and still got her.

1268
01:11:25,440 --> 01:11:32,440
Yeah, just.
And and like I told Dina, OK, So

1269
01:11:32,440 --> 01:11:35,600
what they were talking about
today, they they were talking

1270
01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:39,680
about the fact that, you know,
Maddie was seeing strange things

1271
01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:43,400
before he disappeared or died.
So did Phil.

1272
01:11:43,400 --> 01:11:46,880
So did Teddy.
You know, again, we Susie was

1273
01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:53,480
just collateral damage.
The question is, why hasn't he

1274
01:11:53,480 --> 01:11:58,760
eaten Lily yet?
It's not like she hasn't had the

1275
01:11:58,880 --> 01:11:59,600
opportunity.
It's.

1276
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:02,520
Not enough, maybe because she's
the thing that's drawing in the

1277
01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:05,000
others.
She and think about it, she is

1278
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:07,880
the she is the common
denominator out of all of the

1279
01:12:07,880 --> 01:12:08,960
friends.
Right, right.

1280
01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:12,320
And really, if we start really
paying attention to her fear

1281
01:12:12,320 --> 01:12:18,400
factor, it's not, it's not how
meat's not juicy enough right

1282
01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:23,320
now.
Because she's not because she

1283
01:12:23,320 --> 01:12:26,480
knows what's going on, right,
'cause like literally even

1284
01:12:26,480 --> 01:12:32,200
before, even when she heard
Marty in the, in the pipes, like

1285
01:12:32,200 --> 01:12:35,840
she had the, the forefront to go
and talk to someone about it.

1286
01:12:36,200 --> 01:12:39,280
Other kids are hearing people in
pipes and they're freaking out.

1287
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:43,040
And she's like, this is
interesting.

1288
01:12:43,040 --> 01:12:45,880
Like, 'cause she probably, I'm
sorry, she probably have heard

1289
01:12:45,880 --> 01:12:50,280
and seen some things.
Well, when we got the pan

1290
01:12:50,280 --> 01:12:53,720
through at Jennifer Hill and you
can hear people screaming in the

1291
01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:57,960
background, people sobbing off
to the side, I get.

1292
01:12:57,960 --> 01:12:59,840
Yeah.
I mean, I guess she's not

1293
01:12:59,840 --> 01:13:01,120
really.
You're right.

1294
01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:04,680
She hasn't, really.
She's been really afraid.

1295
01:13:04,920 --> 01:13:07,920
She's the person who's.
Drawing them in for him, even

1296
01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:10,840
though she, I don't she's not
aware she's doing it.

1297
01:13:10,840 --> 01:13:14,880
But like Michelle said, she's
the one that's not, not so

1298
01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:16,200
scared that she's not telling
people.

1299
01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:19,840
She's going and telling people.
She's telling her friends and

1300
01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:23,400
and telling her friends.
Her friends are being drawn into

1301
01:13:23,400 --> 01:13:26,120
this.
So she's literally adding to the

1302
01:13:26,120 --> 01:13:28,360
plate.
She's adding to the buffet tray.

1303
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:31,720
Right, It's it's two of them
because Ronnie, Ronnie is the

1304
01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:35,120
same way.
Like, she did freak out with her

1305
01:13:35,120 --> 01:13:37,760
mom, you know, giving birth on
the bed and all.

1306
01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:42,600
But she's also both of them are
like, Ronnie is just her.

1307
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:45,080
She has anger.
Yeah, too.

1308
01:13:45,440 --> 01:13:48,400
So she's holding back the fear.
Yeah.

1309
01:13:48,400 --> 01:13:50,080
They're.
They're not ready yet.

1310
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:54,480
They like Cornish hens.
He wants the turkeys.

1311
01:13:55,040 --> 01:14:00,720
Yeah, so like, like I said, I
feel like the other two Patty

1312
01:14:00,720 --> 01:14:03,400
cake girls.
Hey, this is a Friday night, you

1313
01:14:03,400 --> 01:14:05,160
know.
Well, probably.

1314
01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:07,640
They will probably be next on
the list.

1315
01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:12,720
And then like I said earlier, we
haven't seen riches.

1316
01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:17,440
He hasn't started experiencing
any of any of the visions or

1317
01:14:17,440 --> 01:14:20,280
anything yet, so I have a
feeling he's going to be next

1318
01:14:20,280 --> 01:14:24,160
now.
I think he might be difficult

1319
01:14:24,160 --> 01:14:29,320
too because he already has
something he can put in, like he

1320
01:14:29,320 --> 01:14:33,880
has an ID.
He, he would be like the

1321
01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:39,760
indigenous people where he has,
he has a category, he can place

1322
01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:42,560
it like, oh, I know what this
is.

1323
01:14:43,320 --> 01:14:47,640
So he won't be as afraid like
they got him in the cemetery.

1324
01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:51,800
But he was just thinking, OK,
well, maybe it actually worked,

1325
01:14:52,160 --> 01:14:55,800
you know what I mean?
And so he has a place to put it

1326
01:14:56,040 --> 01:14:59,400
to, to place it.
And like everyone else who they

1327
01:14:59,400 --> 01:15:01,320
don't have an idea so it's
freaking them out.

1328
01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:04,840
Yeah, yeah.
And then I know we mentioned

1329
01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:08,720
this earlier in the the season,
like the first episode or

1330
01:15:08,720 --> 01:15:11,200
something.
Do do we still think the turtle

1331
01:15:11,200 --> 01:15:15,080
charm has anything to do with
why Lily is not being affected

1332
01:15:15,120 --> 01:15:18,120
as or why he's not coming after
her as much?

1333
01:15:18,440 --> 01:15:19,120
Maddie.
'S charm.

1334
01:15:19,400 --> 01:15:20,880
I think those are just Easter
eggs.

1335
01:15:20,880 --> 01:15:26,240
I don't think so.
OK, so, but yeah, I mean, yeah,

1336
01:15:26,240 --> 01:15:29,760
like I said, I feel like she's,
he realized that she's the thing

1337
01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:32,480
that's probably drawing people
in and he's like, Oh yeah, I'm,

1338
01:15:32,600 --> 01:15:36,920
I'm going to keep using her
because now, you know, she was

1339
01:15:36,920 --> 01:15:40,440
friends with Maddie.
She was, she became friends very

1340
01:15:40,440 --> 01:15:44,560
briefly with Teddy and Phil, but
it was because of what she told

1341
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:49,280
them that, you know, like once
she told them what happened and

1342
01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:53,640
what she saw or, you know, with
Maddie, remember, it was

1343
01:15:53,640 --> 01:16:00,840
literally the day after that
Teddy had his vision, You know,

1344
01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:07,280
I so, yeah, I she could be the
thing that's just drawing

1345
01:16:07,480 --> 01:16:10,280
everything.
You know, think about it.

1346
01:16:10,280 --> 01:16:13,240
Ronnie would have never been
involved if she if they hadn't

1347
01:16:13,240 --> 01:16:15,920
said, oh, yeah.
Well, you know, nobody, nobody,

1348
01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:18,080
we told you nobody was going to
believe you talking about the

1349
01:16:18,080 --> 01:16:19,720
pipes.
And Ronnie's like, oh, wait,

1350
01:16:19,960 --> 01:16:23,120
hold up, talk about that.
This is her drawing Ronnie.

1351
01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:27,120
And she's already got 10 feeling
now she's got Ronnie.

1352
01:16:27,440 --> 01:16:29,720
Ronnie, you know, because of
everything that they're going

1353
01:16:29,720 --> 01:16:31,080
through.
She goes back to Ronnie.

1354
01:16:31,080 --> 01:16:34,680
Ronnie's like, oh, OK.
Well, you know, we can bring in

1355
01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:35,840
Will.
He can help us.

1356
01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:38,880
Will brings in, I mean, not
with.

1357
01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:41,760
Yeah, Ronnie brings in Will for
the camp.

1358
01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:44,720
I was going to say Ronnie was
hearing voices in the pipes.

1359
01:16:45,160 --> 01:16:46,600
Yeah.
So he was already coming from

1360
01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:49,160
Rodney before she even hooked up
with them.

1361
01:16:49,200 --> 01:16:54,480
I'm telling you, he has.
He puts out feelers every other

1362
01:16:54,480 --> 01:16:58,280
day.
If he wasn't, he was going to

1363
01:16:58,280 --> 01:17:02,920
get to the other two.
Boys, he was going to without

1364
01:17:02,920 --> 01:17:05,480
anybody, 'cause he got, he got
Marty.

1365
01:17:05,480 --> 01:17:10,080
I mean, like, would Ronnie have
said anything about the voices

1366
01:17:10,160 --> 01:17:12,520
if she didn't overheard them?
She was.

1367
01:17:13,440 --> 01:17:16,000
And, and no, but I'm just saying
I'm we took independently, we

1368
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:18,080
took out Pennywise.
He's been putting out feelers,

1369
01:17:18,120 --> 01:17:20,680
though.
'Cause he, yeah, she hasn't

1370
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:23,480
reacted differently to the
voices she was hearing in the

1371
01:17:23,480 --> 01:17:26,040
pipes.
She may have been a target

1372
01:17:26,160 --> 01:17:27,720
eventually at some point.
She probably.

1373
01:17:28,120 --> 01:17:31,680
Whether or not she was going to
meet Lily and talk to them.

1374
01:17:31,680 --> 01:17:35,040
About and I think the boys will.
Already hearing voices in the

1375
01:17:35,040 --> 01:17:37,560
pipes.
Because The thing is, he's going

1376
01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:41,000
to try different things.
If a kid is not successful to

1377
01:17:41,080 --> 01:17:45,480
it, again, I move on, 'cause she
could have been like, oh, I must

1378
01:17:45,480 --> 01:17:47,400
be imagining and, and ignored
it.

1379
01:17:47,440 --> 01:17:49,560
And, and then he would have went
on to the next kid in the

1380
01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:52,120
neighborhood and figure out you,
you see what I'm saying?

1381
01:17:52,120 --> 01:17:55,800
Like the reason he's getting the
kids some kids and not others is

1382
01:17:56,080 --> 01:17:58,760
1.
There's some susceptible to it

1383
01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:01,440
and he's trying different things
and there's some that be like,

1384
01:18:01,440 --> 01:18:04,720
oh, that's nothing.
But then it was something I read

1385
01:18:04,720 --> 01:18:08,080
that he comes in different ways.
So I can't think of the

1386
01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:11,240
character.
Then you'll have to help me.

1387
01:18:11,240 --> 01:18:19,200
But the guy who was friends to
the crazy guy who killed his dad

1388
01:18:19,560 --> 01:18:24,120
and went to the.
Oh, the one that he was there

1389
01:18:24,120 --> 01:18:26,480
seeing when he was in the he was
seeing him.

1390
01:18:26,600 --> 01:18:29,520
He was dead, but he was seeing
him when he when Pennywise came

1391
01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:32,560
to him in the Crazy House.
That's Harry Bowers, right?

1392
01:18:32,680 --> 01:18:34,720
No, no, his friend.
He's somebody friend.

1393
01:18:34,880 --> 01:18:38,400
His friend who end up being like
his sidekick with Dad.

1394
01:18:38,440 --> 01:18:40,160
I can't.
Remember.

1395
01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:45,000
But when he was a kid and then
it was said like Pennywise

1396
01:18:45,000 --> 01:18:48,880
couldn't scare him because he
was a psychopath kid because he

1397
01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:52,800
like burned animals and and he
liked disturbing things.

1398
01:18:53,400 --> 01:18:56,520
So instead of scaring him, he
brought them in by showing him

1399
01:18:56,520 --> 01:18:59,720
disturbing things.
And that pulled that sucked him

1400
01:18:59,720 --> 01:19:01,920
in.
And then he then he turned it on

1401
01:19:01,920 --> 01:19:05,840
them and then the fear happened.
But to get him, he couldn't

1402
01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:08,480
scare him, but he just 'cause he
was crazy.

1403
01:19:08,520 --> 01:19:12,160
So he's just showed him things.
So like he's trying different

1404
01:19:12,160 --> 01:19:15,840
stuff with different kids to see
which one catches the bait and

1405
01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:20,440
which don't.
Which is wild.

1406
01:19:21,320 --> 01:19:26,800
But he got lucky when they were
all together like this is like.

1407
01:19:27,680 --> 01:19:31,200
Christmas and y'all are
summoning me like.

1408
01:19:31,200 --> 01:19:33,160
No, I'm talking about the the
movie theater.

1409
01:19:33,160 --> 01:19:39,000
Like, whoa, I have.
I am giving me an appetizer, A

1410
01:19:39,000 --> 01:19:42,880
entree and a dessert.
Yeah.

1411
01:19:43,360 --> 01:19:45,200
All in one evening.
Yeah.

1412
01:19:46,080 --> 01:19:49,840
Sweet beer, baby.
Yummy.

1413
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:52,760
But why didn't he get them in
the cemetery?

1414
01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:59,600
They wasn't ready.
Yeah, 'cause the two boys just

1415
01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:01,480
figured out they were some
freaking ghosts.

1416
01:20:01,480 --> 01:20:04,320
So they were.
Like, oh, this, this is real,

1417
01:20:04,600 --> 01:20:06,800
this.
Is real so OK I I'm scared.

1418
01:20:06,800 --> 01:20:12,880
Now, Yeah, and obviously, I mean
they were scared, but not too

1419
01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:14,040
scared.
They were still sitting there

1420
01:20:14,040 --> 01:20:17,160
trying to take them pictures.
Yeah, 'cause if you.

1421
01:20:17,160 --> 01:20:19,320
Really scared you.
You ain't worried about no

1422
01:20:19,320 --> 01:20:21,400
camera.
Like forget a picture, forget

1423
01:20:21,400 --> 01:20:24,920
the camera, forget those girls,
forget those girls.

1424
01:20:24,920 --> 01:20:26,480
We going home.
Yeah.

1425
01:20:27,480 --> 01:20:31,040
That part, yeah, like you all my
friends, but we just met though,

1426
01:20:31,760 --> 01:20:33,200
right?
I was going to say we didn't

1427
01:20:33,200 --> 01:20:37,360
even technically friends at this
point, like, oh, OK, we we've

1428
01:20:37,360 --> 01:20:42,160
known each other for maybe a
couple of days at this point so

1429
01:20:42,200 --> 01:20:46,240
yeah, but well, I guess we have
to see.

1430
01:20:46,240 --> 01:20:51,240
But I mean, he got Marge good.
So yeah, he did.

1431
01:20:51,320 --> 01:20:52,520
He did.
Well, poor Lily.

1432
01:20:52,520 --> 01:20:56,160
Because that is not what she
needed right now.

1433
01:20:56,400 --> 01:20:59,560
Like you, you literally went
from being so happy and now

1434
01:20:59,560 --> 01:21:02,240
you're just like, Oh my God,
everybody thinks I tried to kill

1435
01:21:02,240 --> 01:21:07,760
my friend.
No, I'm like yes baby, yes, yes

1436
01:21:08,520 --> 01:21:10,440
and your.
Friends can't do nothing to help

1437
01:21:10,440 --> 01:21:13,360
you out.
Has everyone no witnesses?

1438
01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:16,600
Right.
Well, not only that, you you

1439
01:21:16,600 --> 01:21:20,600
tell the principal and everybody
else, Oh no, she's being haunted

1440
01:21:20,600 --> 01:21:23,840
by a evil spirit or something.
They're going to be in the rooms

1441
01:21:23,840 --> 01:21:30,280
at Juniper Hill right next to
her, and that's not going to

1442
01:21:30,280 --> 01:21:32,840
help nobody.
They don't have a luxury suite.

1443
01:21:33,320 --> 01:21:35,800
Right.
They can't they can't help

1444
01:21:36,080 --> 01:21:39,600
Ronnie's dad.
It's stay out of Shawshank that

1445
01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:42,040
way.
They can't help Lily get out of

1446
01:21:42,040 --> 01:21:46,680
Juniper Hill that way.
And then they'll make themselves

1447
01:21:46,680 --> 01:21:48,720
a sitting target 'cause they are
going to be scared.

1448
01:21:48,720 --> 01:21:50,920
At that point.
You go to the you go to the

1449
01:21:50,920 --> 01:21:54,480
loony band where they do
lobotomies, and they do.

1450
01:21:54,640 --> 01:21:55,240
Like.
Shock.

1451
01:21:55,640 --> 01:21:59,720
Treatment, yeah, no.
Which is insane.

1452
01:22:00,240 --> 01:22:04,240
Right.
But I tell you.

1453
01:22:07,040 --> 01:22:13,360
Speaking of insane, Mr. Dick
Kelleran is trying to Burrow his

1454
01:22:13,360 --> 01:22:15,960
wig inside somebody's head.
Listen.

1455
01:22:16,280 --> 01:22:19,520
Oh my God, He in there.
He did.

1456
01:22:20,240 --> 01:22:23,400
Oh, man.
But brother man, you think that

1457
01:22:23,400 --> 01:22:27,520
was him at the end?
Yeah.

1458
01:22:28,160 --> 01:22:30,320
I think it was, but that was
some creepy.

1459
01:22:30,360 --> 01:22:32,800
That was creepy.
I I don't.

1460
01:22:32,920 --> 01:22:38,240
I think that it's a piggyback.
Oh, you think that Pennywise is

1461
01:22:38,240 --> 01:22:40,560
was listening to the now?
What you do now?

1462
01:22:41,080 --> 01:22:42,600
Where?
Where are the stones?

1463
01:22:42,600 --> 01:22:46,480
You see that?
Where where the stones at?

1464
01:22:47,080 --> 01:22:48,080
You know what?
And now that.

1465
01:22:48,280 --> 01:22:50,560
'Cause I need the stones to be
removed, right?

1466
01:22:51,120 --> 01:22:53,920
I can move forth in the world.
Yeah.

1467
01:22:54,520 --> 01:22:58,440
And me and him in the same
headspace the.

1468
01:22:58,440 --> 01:23:00,840
Attorney was the smile.
Yeah.

1469
01:23:00,840 --> 01:23:03,960
So where the stones are again?
That smile was weird.

1470
01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:08,120
It was right because Dick don't
smile like that all the time.

1471
01:23:08,120 --> 01:23:10,080
You see him smile like that when
they drinking in their little

1472
01:23:10,080 --> 01:23:13,760
club.
But again let's talk about these

1473
01:23:13,760 --> 01:23:16,000
visions because they're not
saying the last episode.

1474
01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:17,920
Y'all need to stop with the damn
running man.

1475
01:23:19,080 --> 01:23:21,680
How many?
Like how many different run

1476
01:23:21,680 --> 01:23:24,640
running creatures did we see?
In this video.

1477
01:23:27,520 --> 01:23:33,040
You you had zombies, you had the
fake priest that that grew 3

1478
01:23:33,040 --> 01:23:39,000
sizes and I I can't do with the
creepy runs.

1479
01:23:39,320 --> 01:23:42,800
OK, so let's let's talk about
the dragon glass.

1480
01:23:44,200 --> 01:23:46,960
Oh my God, that is exactly what
it is.

1481
01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:54,200
I'm sitting in dragon glass.
I'm why do we go into the thing

1482
01:23:54,200 --> 01:23:59,240
and we take out a little bit?
Y'all should take it out as much

1483
01:23:59,320 --> 01:24:02,760
as you can.
We were moving fast, now we were

1484
01:24:02,760 --> 01:24:04,720
moving fast.
We didn't have time.

1485
01:24:04,920 --> 01:24:08,000
The first time we talking about
when the first ancestors came

1486
01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:10,520
and they took the one shot.
But you know what?

1487
01:24:11,240 --> 01:24:16,320
Probably because back then that
one shot was enough to keep him

1488
01:24:17,280 --> 01:24:20,000
contained.
Because again, he wasn't strong.

1489
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:24,880
He didn't get strong until the
white man came in and he he was

1490
01:24:24,880 --> 01:24:25,560
able.
To.

1491
01:24:25,680 --> 01:24:26,920
Follow them.
He had a.

1492
01:24:28,320 --> 01:24:33,800
Food in a buffet so.
Yeah, but I'm I'm like you and

1493
01:24:33,800 --> 01:24:37,560
now I would have been like, why
didn't we just do this from the

1494
01:24:37,560 --> 01:24:39,160
beginning?
Just get a whole bunch of

1495
01:24:39,560 --> 01:24:42,400
shards, maybe not do the whole
thing that they did because

1496
01:24:42,440 --> 01:24:46,560
because the way that they
temporarily fixed the problem,

1497
01:24:47,040 --> 01:24:49,720
it was a good thing.
Like they closed off the whole

1498
01:24:49,720 --> 01:24:52,920
woods with the shards and they
were like, OK, this is how we're

1499
01:24:52,920 --> 01:24:57,480
going to keep them contained.
But my thing was I was tripping

1500
01:24:57,480 --> 01:25:02,840
because when he got to the part
of the story, he was like, they

1501
01:25:02,840 --> 01:25:06,920
went back and got some of the
sharks, not to kill the monster

1502
01:25:06,960 --> 01:25:09,160
the the the galoo, but to trap
it.

1503
01:25:09,240 --> 01:25:10,760
Why the hell are we not killing
it?

1504
01:25:11,120 --> 01:25:12,760
Why?
Why?

1505
01:25:13,320 --> 01:25:17,320
But then I, I started thinking I
was like, OK, it could be a

1506
01:25:17,320 --> 01:25:19,880
spiritual thing.
And, you know, they could be

1507
01:25:19,880 --> 01:25:22,280
like, OK, you know what?
We're not going to take his life

1508
01:25:22,440 --> 01:25:25,600
if we have a way to contain it
without it harm, without us

1509
01:25:25,600 --> 01:25:29,800
harming it, You know, just like
the, I mean, the words were very

1510
01:25:29,800 --> 01:25:31,560
important.
He was like, they lived in

1511
01:25:31,560 --> 01:25:37,040
harmony with the beast.
So I, I think that probably was

1512
01:25:37,480 --> 01:25:39,360
the kicker.
They were like, OK, if we can

1513
01:25:39,360 --> 01:25:43,160
contain it without actually
destroying it or without killing

1514
01:25:43,160 --> 01:25:48,160
it, without tainting our souls
by killing it, then we can do

1515
01:25:48,160 --> 01:25:50,440
that.
But you know, once he got the

1516
01:25:50,440 --> 01:25:53,600
chief old girl was like, oh, you
killed my Mama.

1517
01:25:53,600 --> 01:25:56,120
I'm done.
We got to do something.

1518
01:25:57,000 --> 01:26:00,200
I mean, I think she would have
killed it if if it didn't run

1519
01:26:00,200 --> 01:26:01,480
away.
And then they were like,

1520
01:26:01,480 --> 01:26:03,960
everybody was like, OK, we just
don't contain them.

1521
01:26:03,960 --> 01:26:08,720
We're going to keep them here.
But obviously that's not working

1522
01:26:08,720 --> 01:26:13,840
much because we see he's been
coming out bit by bit.

1523
01:26:13,840 --> 01:26:19,240
He's stronger so those sharks
can't still be in in in place.

1524
01:26:20,000 --> 01:26:22,760
Or is it because the military is
digging around?

1525
01:26:23,480 --> 01:26:25,360
Well, they said that they were
buried.

1526
01:26:25,360 --> 01:26:27,520
They, she said.
They buried them really, really

1527
01:26:27,520 --> 01:26:30,880
deep.
Put them in different things.

1528
01:26:30,880 --> 01:26:33,880
So yeah.
So I'm thinking they're they

1529
01:26:33,880 --> 01:26:37,960
haven't been disturbed yet,
'cause think about it, even to

1530
01:26:38,760 --> 01:26:42,560
in this timeline or in this
universe to present day, it's

1531
01:26:42,560 --> 01:26:44,240
still there.
Yeah.

1532
01:26:44,280 --> 01:26:48,080
Like he has not left there.
Did did they did?

1533
01:26:48,120 --> 01:26:52,120
I can't remember if they showed.
Is that force still the same?

1534
01:26:53,080 --> 01:26:56,400
The same now as big.
'Cause I think that's the city.

1535
01:26:56,400 --> 01:26:58,240
I think that's where the city.
That's where they actually,

1536
01:26:58,240 --> 01:26:59,880
that's what I was thinking.
That was what that's what I was

1537
01:26:59,880 --> 01:27:02,720
about to say, 'cause I feel like
'cause they, I know, like they

1538
01:27:02,720 --> 01:27:06,360
were saying like it's it's
dairy, but it's also surrounding

1539
01:27:06,360 --> 01:27:09,640
areas near dairy.
It's not just dairy, but it's

1540
01:27:09,640 --> 01:27:12,280
surrounding like that whole
surrounding area near dairy.

1541
01:27:12,640 --> 01:27:15,400
So I was just wondering like, so
he clearly got past a certain

1542
01:27:15,560 --> 01:27:17,600
barrier.
Yeah.

1543
01:27:17,600 --> 01:27:20,760
Or his whatever overtime got
past a certain barrier.

1544
01:27:20,760 --> 01:27:23,520
So maybe the more they dug up
and the more they start doing

1545
01:27:23,520 --> 01:27:26,320
stuff, the more he was able to
spread a little further out.

1546
01:27:26,360 --> 01:27:30,760
Yeah, maybe.
Maybe 'cause that's I'm.

1547
01:27:30,920 --> 01:27:33,760
Thinking they could, I'm
thinking, I'm thinking, 'cause I

1548
01:27:33,800 --> 01:27:38,720
think they said so this is the I
don't rewatch stuff.

1549
01:27:39,160 --> 01:27:43,640
So I feel like they said they
they got with other tribes to do

1550
01:27:43,640 --> 01:27:47,080
it as well.
So I think the barriers further

1551
01:27:47,080 --> 01:27:51,200
out than just the city of Derry.
But then.

1552
01:27:51,320 --> 01:27:55,080
That makes sense.
But then she mentions something

1553
01:27:55,080 --> 01:28:00,040
about the fact that they don't
have as much homeland as they

1554
01:28:00,040 --> 01:28:06,160
used to, so maybe with them, I
don't know.

1555
01:28:06,840 --> 01:28:09,000
Well, that would have been
because of like the government,

1556
01:28:09,600 --> 01:28:12,920
like taking their land and put
squishing them down and pushing

1557
01:28:12,920 --> 01:28:14,600
them on the Reds and all that
stuff.

1558
01:28:14,600 --> 01:28:19,480
I don't know.
And they wouldn't have control

1559
01:28:19,480 --> 01:28:23,160
over those areas either to kind
of keep keep the stuff from

1560
01:28:23,160 --> 01:28:26,000
being messed up.
Yeah, but see, that's why I was

1561
01:28:26,000 --> 01:28:28,920
wondering like maybe one of
maybe one of the sharks has has

1562
01:28:28,920 --> 01:28:31,960
been disturbed because I mean,
you see the military is digging

1563
01:28:31,960 --> 01:28:36,160
around, they looking for stuff.
And even though Rose and her

1564
01:28:36,160 --> 01:28:39,960
people are keeping track of what
they're doing because what was

1565
01:28:39,960 --> 01:28:43,120
it the guy said?
He said we went to all the

1566
01:28:43,120 --> 01:28:46,400
places that she said to go and
there was nothing there.

1567
01:28:46,720 --> 01:28:50,240
So she's obviously keeping them
from whatever it is they're

1568
01:28:50,240 --> 01:28:55,280
looking for, but.
I don't know the reason why I

1569
01:28:55,280 --> 01:28:58,720
don't think any of the sharks
have been disturbed or the

1570
01:28:58,720 --> 01:29:01,480
pillars is because it is still
there.

1571
01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:08,720
Like why would it stay there if
it has a smorgasbord of a whole

1572
01:29:08,720 --> 01:29:11,640
country it can just go around.
And devour.

1573
01:29:11,880 --> 01:29:14,720
And devour well.
I mean, but think about it, if

1574
01:29:14,880 --> 01:29:21,040
if you have this one town where
you can come out every, what is

1575
01:29:21,040 --> 01:29:25,920
it every 30, three years or.
2727 but they changed it for

1576
01:29:25,920 --> 01:29:27,920
like the other movies.
I don't know if they changed it

1577
01:29:27,920 --> 01:29:30,800
in the recent movies.
OK, but if you can come out

1578
01:29:30,800 --> 01:29:36,320
every 2 1/2 decades, take your
field 'cause it's not like he

1579
01:29:36,320 --> 01:29:41,920
gonna have to eat everything.
I mean, even even predators have

1580
01:29:41,920 --> 01:29:45,120
their limit with what they what
they can eat.

1581
01:29:45,560 --> 01:29:48,680
Maybe he's like, you know what?
I don't need to go anywhere

1582
01:29:48,680 --> 01:29:50,320
else.
I can just go here.

1583
01:29:51,040 --> 01:29:53,400
I can I can do what I need to
do.

1584
01:29:53,760 --> 01:29:56,640
Children disappear.
I have my feel they gonna forget

1585
01:29:56,640 --> 01:29:59,120
in a few years anyway.
And I can start the cycle right

1586
01:29:59,120 --> 01:30:03,480
back.
I mean, no, I'm I'm going by

1587
01:30:03,480 --> 01:30:06,240
what you said, Michelle, you
said he is he has gotten up

1588
01:30:06,240 --> 01:30:08,280
there age.
He's getting lazy.

1589
01:30:08,320 --> 01:30:10,440
But this is not up in age right
here.

1590
01:30:11,120 --> 01:30:15,280
Hey, I mean, if you have the
opportunity, you OK?

1591
01:30:15,440 --> 01:30:20,960
So it's like, OK, Georgia
seafood, OK.

1592
01:30:21,040 --> 01:30:23,160
You know, I'm gonna eat the
seafood.

1593
01:30:23,720 --> 01:30:25,600
I love seafood.
It's OK.

1594
01:30:26,160 --> 01:30:31,320
But if if I have the opportunity
and the gates open up to go to

1595
01:30:31,320 --> 01:30:33,800
any really in coast, Savannah
would be one of them.

1596
01:30:33,800 --> 01:30:37,280
But just to get out of the city
to go to the coast to get some

1597
01:30:37,280 --> 01:30:43,720
fresh.
Yeah, or across the state to get

1598
01:30:43,720 --> 01:30:48,680
some fresh 'cause this dairy
stuff starts to taste old.

1599
01:30:51,480 --> 01:30:53,960
Like eating fried chicken every
day for a week.

1600
01:30:54,160 --> 01:30:55,880
Right.
And you can go out there and get

1601
01:30:55,880 --> 01:30:58,520
some new taste and fear from
people.

1602
01:30:58,720 --> 01:31:01,560
So yeah, he can't.
He can't go nowhere, which is a

1603
01:31:01,560 --> 01:31:09,120
good thing, yeah.
But yeah, so so we get we get

1604
01:31:09,120 --> 01:31:12,000
that whole story.
And then at the end when Dick

1605
01:31:12,000 --> 01:31:16,480
Halloran or maybe Penny Wise is
asking Tanya, so where are these

1606
01:31:16,480 --> 01:31:18,920
shards now?
He's like, yeah, you go through

1607
01:31:18,920 --> 01:31:21,400
there, find the wells and be on
your way.

1608
01:31:21,400 --> 01:31:23,120
And it's the creepy house.
I was like.

1609
01:31:24,760 --> 01:31:28,120
No, absolutely not.
Absolutely not.

1610
01:31:29,560 --> 01:31:32,800
That is not happening.
There is nothing about that

1611
01:31:32,800 --> 01:31:37,040
house that would make me want to
say, yeah, I'm going to go in

1612
01:31:37,040 --> 01:31:40,200
there and and look for these.
No, you know what, we going to

1613
01:31:40,200 --> 01:31:43,120
leave that thing right where it
is.

1614
01:31:43,120 --> 01:31:45,600
As soon as the general say
Halloran, you going to go in?

1615
01:31:45,600 --> 01:31:49,840
No, I am not.
You can go in for yourself, say.

1616
01:31:49,840 --> 01:31:51,680
Helen in.
He ain't got No Fear.

1617
01:31:51,880 --> 01:31:56,800
I'll tell him where to go.
See Leroy, I get I get in his

1618
01:31:56,800 --> 01:31:59,440
mind and tell him where to go.
Hey, Leroy, can I get in your

1619
01:31:59,440 --> 01:32:01,000
mind for that?
I'll tell you where to go.

1620
01:32:01,280 --> 01:32:03,680
Yeah, No Fear.
You ain't got No Fear, you go do

1621
01:32:03,680 --> 01:32:07,000
it 'cause I'm not going in there
no that house by itself looking.

1622
01:32:07,800 --> 01:32:09,960
Nope.
I didn't like it when I saw it

1623
01:32:09,960 --> 01:32:13,160
in the movie The first time.
I was like Nope, Nope.

1624
01:32:13,200 --> 01:32:15,600
And then we see what happens in
the house.

1625
01:32:15,880 --> 01:32:21,720
Nope, Nope, that's a bone.
I don't need that kind of

1626
01:32:21,720 --> 01:32:23,360
monster.
I don't need that kind of

1627
01:32:23,360 --> 01:32:24,840
running.
Like I said, I saw enough of

1628
01:32:24,840 --> 01:32:28,080
that running in this episode
when they crouching down on off.

1629
01:32:28,200 --> 01:32:31,920
I thought about you, yeah.
I'm sure several times during

1630
01:32:31,920 --> 01:32:37,200
this episode I'm sure y'all
heard me across across the

1631
01:32:37,200 --> 01:32:39,400
miles.
Nope Nope Nope.

1632
01:32:41,120 --> 01:32:43,720
I was like you know what?
They really trying to make me

1633
01:32:43,720 --> 01:32:47,960
cut this TV off right now.
Especially when that joker grew

1634
01:32:48,200 --> 01:33:01,400
and then bro no no.
Anyway, did we touch on

1635
01:33:01,440 --> 01:33:06,120
everything?
Let's see, yeah, you just

1636
01:33:06,120 --> 01:33:08,640
noticed that before they put in
the turtle shell.

1637
01:33:09,920 --> 01:33:15,000
I noticed that, yeah.
Yeah, it was just that just that

1638
01:33:15,000 --> 01:33:18,040
situation was just messed up
though, that they made him go

1639
01:33:18,040 --> 01:33:21,840
mess that boy up in that boy's
head to get that information.

1640
01:33:22,240 --> 01:33:25,280
But you know what I got to say
this once he spit at Halloween

1641
01:33:25,320 --> 01:33:27,240
space, I was like, you know what
you do what you need to do.

1642
01:33:27,240 --> 01:33:31,120
I cannot stand.
I can't spit, spit on other

1643
01:33:31,120 --> 01:33:33,600
people.
That is like the worst.

1644
01:33:33,680 --> 01:33:37,920
Most, yes, that is.
Sometimes that's a nightmare.

1645
01:33:37,920 --> 01:33:41,200
Sometimes I feel like the
writers know, OK, well, if he's

1646
01:33:41,200 --> 01:33:45,280
going to do this, if he's going
to Jacob Taniel's head, we got

1647
01:33:45,280 --> 01:33:48,360
to give Halloween sort of like.
A good reason.

1648
01:33:48,360 --> 01:33:50,160
To do it, a good reason to do
it, yeah.

1649
01:33:51,680 --> 01:33:57,040
Yeah, and, and one thing I think
that's worse than having like,

1650
01:33:57,240 --> 01:34:00,560
if it was a white character who
did that, I'd be pissed off.

1651
01:34:00,560 --> 01:34:03,360
But I'd be like, you know what?
I I'm expecting that because

1652
01:34:03,360 --> 01:34:06,240
that's what you expect to have
another oppressed and

1653
01:34:06,240 --> 01:34:08,800
marginalized person do it to
another.

1654
01:34:09,360 --> 01:34:12,000
Now you know what?
That's some disrespectful shit

1655
01:34:12,000 --> 01:34:13,560
I'm gonna need.
Yeah.

1656
01:34:14,440 --> 01:34:16,000
I'm gonna get all up in your
brain.

1657
01:34:17,520 --> 01:34:22,480
No.
I was just like, come on, why

1658
01:34:22,480 --> 01:34:24,160
did they all?
Why is that the first thing

1659
01:34:24,160 --> 01:34:27,080
people want to write?
Because they know that, because

1660
01:34:27,240 --> 01:34:30,240
they know how disrespectful it
is.

1661
01:34:31,720 --> 01:34:34,400
Every time I see that anything,
I just want to punch people.

1662
01:34:34,640 --> 01:34:36,960
Yeah.
And and that's that's the

1663
01:34:36,960 --> 01:34:40,480
reaction they want you to have.
Yeah, someone I was listening to

1664
01:34:40,480 --> 01:34:43,280
someone earlier, it was actually
Cam Newton since he was talking

1665
01:34:43,280 --> 01:34:47,160
about a football player, spit on
another football player in this

1666
01:34:47,280 --> 01:34:50,560
this past weekend.
And he said, you know, we play

1667
01:34:50,560 --> 01:34:54,840
this game and we talk and we
throw hands, that's all good.

1668
01:34:54,840 --> 01:34:58,560
But anytime something leave your
body, that's not good.

1669
01:34:58,560 --> 01:35:01,360
That is disgusting.
That is not good.

1670
01:35:01,520 --> 01:35:04,120
Disrespect.
That's like disrespect on a high

1671
01:35:04,120 --> 01:35:04,480
level.
The.

1672
01:35:04,760 --> 01:35:07,000
Highest.
Level I can get over somebody

1673
01:35:08,080 --> 01:35:11,520
like slapping me or punch me in
the face you spit on me I'm

1674
01:35:11,520 --> 01:35:14,000
going for blood it's.
Going down, you know, that

1675
01:35:14,000 --> 01:35:17,040
reminds me of that actor from
Walking Dead.

1676
01:35:17,280 --> 01:35:20,360
He was one of the saviors.
He was in that Will Smith movie

1677
01:35:20,360 --> 01:35:23,600
Emancipation and he spit in his
face and it was not scripted.

1678
01:35:24,640 --> 01:35:30,680
It was a whole bunch of drama
behind that you I had I had to

1679
01:35:30,720 --> 01:35:32,560
show him to you, but I forget
his name, but he was one of the

1680
01:35:32,560 --> 01:35:34,400
saviors.
He's one of the the the boss

1681
01:35:34,400 --> 01:35:38,760
saviors.
Group salt, Pepper, Simon,

1682
01:35:39,280 --> 01:35:42,520
probably tall mustache, mall
head.

1683
01:35:43,000 --> 01:35:44,920
Yeah, yeah.
Stephen Ogg.

1684
01:35:45,640 --> 01:35:48,760
Yeah.
So that is people, People know.

1685
01:35:48,760 --> 01:35:50,240
People know when they're doing
that.

1686
01:35:50,240 --> 01:35:53,920
They're trying to get shot.
They know what they're doing,

1687
01:35:55,360 --> 01:35:58,840
yeah.
But you know, I was trying.

1688
01:35:58,840 --> 01:36:01,160
I was, I was almost feeling
sorry for Taniel.

1689
01:36:01,160 --> 01:36:03,400
And then he did that and I was
like, OK, Dick, do what?

1690
01:36:03,400 --> 01:36:06,040
Do what you do.
Do what you do.

1691
01:36:06,440 --> 01:36:11,400
But yeah, that that story was
very interesting because I think

1692
01:36:11,400 --> 01:36:15,760
that's the first time that I can
think of that we've heard that

1693
01:36:15,760 --> 01:36:19,360
detailed of an origin story for
Pennywise.

1694
01:36:19,960 --> 01:36:23,240
Yeah.
So that was interesting.

1695
01:36:23,240 --> 01:36:28,360
But yeah, now we got to see
where where this story is going

1696
01:36:28,360 --> 01:36:32,200
because again, I'm not going in
that house.

1697
01:36:32,720 --> 01:36:34,200
Y'all.
Y'all can do y'all can do

1698
01:36:34,200 --> 01:36:37,080
whatever.
Well, we know the Losers Club

1699
01:36:37,080 --> 01:36:39,080
do, and we saw how that turned
out, Yeah.

1700
01:36:43,000 --> 01:36:49,240
But you know, Nah, I got nothing
'cause I was going to say that's

1701
01:36:49,640 --> 01:36:53,360
all the losers club.
I think the losers Club

1702
01:36:53,640 --> 01:37:01,960
probably, I think they fared
better because I think the bond

1703
01:37:01,960 --> 01:37:05,200
between them was stronger and
they have more trust in each

1704
01:37:05,200 --> 01:37:08,080
other.
Like with these kids right now,

1705
01:37:08,080 --> 01:37:14,640
Ronnie and Lily and Will and and
stand there.

1706
01:37:14,640 --> 01:37:18,000
I mean, why am I forgetting Rich
Rich?

1707
01:37:18,000 --> 01:37:23,560
Yeah, they're like, they're
they're bonded, but they're

1708
01:37:23,560 --> 01:37:27,920
still newly bonded.
Like they don't have the I, I

1709
01:37:27,920 --> 01:37:30,520
don't know, I just don't feel
like that's strong enough with

1710
01:37:30,520 --> 01:37:34,600
them yet.
So, but again, we have 4

1711
01:37:34,600 --> 01:37:38,720
episodes left, so we don't know
what other trials they're gonna

1712
01:37:38,720 --> 01:37:40,560
go through.
The fact that they've even made

1713
01:37:40,560 --> 01:37:45,240
it through three episodes when
the other kids didn't even make

1714
01:37:45,240 --> 01:37:49,960
it through the first one, I'm
like, OK, I feel a little bit of

1715
01:37:50,000 --> 01:37:55,840
optimism, but I'm also trying
not to because I, I'm expecting

1716
01:37:55,840 --> 01:37:58,800
that any of them are going to
die any minute, but.

1717
01:37:58,800 --> 01:38:00,960
We know, we know Will is Mark
safe and everything.

1718
01:38:00,960 --> 01:38:03,080
We know Will.
Is we know will Is mark safe

1719
01:38:03,560 --> 01:38:05,160
the.
Rest of them I don't know.

1720
01:38:05,720 --> 01:38:09,400
I feel Lily is.
You feel like Lily's safe.

1721
01:38:10,400 --> 01:38:12,920
What about?
But not Ronnie.

1722
01:38:12,920 --> 01:38:16,080
Not well I.
Kind of think something in the

1723
01:38:16,080 --> 01:38:17,840
book.
Yeah, Ronnie's not safe.

1724
01:38:17,960 --> 01:38:20,760
Yeah, OK, There's something
about Ronnie.

1725
01:38:20,960 --> 01:38:24,600
Beth, Beth, I love it came.
From but something.

1726
01:38:24,600 --> 01:38:27,880
Beth sees money in one of her
visions.

1727
01:38:29,200 --> 01:38:33,360
Oh, really?
OK, so but we don't know when,

1728
01:38:33,400 --> 01:38:36,120
you know, in the 20s or 30s, we
don't really know.

1729
01:38:36,760 --> 01:38:41,600
OK, so, yeah, four more
episodes.

1730
01:38:43,800 --> 01:38:47,320
I don't.
At this point, I I don't know

1731
01:38:47,320 --> 01:38:51,640
what to expect.
I I I I do know that Lily is

1732
01:38:51,640 --> 01:38:53,040
about to end up in Julie, per
Hill.

1733
01:38:53,040 --> 01:38:55,920
That's about the only thing I
know for sure at this moment.

1734
01:38:57,920 --> 01:38:59,880
I don't know what's going on
with anybody else.

1735
01:39:00,360 --> 01:39:03,120
Michelle, I think you might be
right about Dick.

1736
01:39:03,520 --> 01:39:07,680
About Pennywise.
Piggy piggybacking in Tanya's

1737
01:39:07,680 --> 01:39:13,360
head with Dick.
Yeah, because that, that smile

1738
01:39:13,360 --> 01:39:19,080
was very creepy.
But other than that, I, I don't

1739
01:39:19,080 --> 01:39:21,560
know what to expect at this
point.

1740
01:39:22,440 --> 01:39:24,680
They could all survive at this
point.

1741
01:39:24,760 --> 01:39:30,040
They could all die.
I, I don't know, except for the

1742
01:39:30,040 --> 01:39:32,960
people that we know, you know,
exist later on.

1743
01:39:32,960 --> 01:39:37,640
But I don't know.
I, I'm just, I'm worried about

1744
01:39:37,640 --> 01:39:38,880
Lily.
Lily is the one.

1745
01:39:38,880 --> 01:39:43,360
She has become my favorite,
probably because I feel like she

1746
01:39:43,360 --> 01:39:46,520
needs the most protecting, you
know?

1747
01:39:50,240 --> 01:39:52,800
Yeah.
I think also because we know

1748
01:39:52,800 --> 01:39:55,920
Will is going to live at least
until adulthood, we're kind of

1749
01:39:55,920 --> 01:39:58,480
like.
And, and, and I'm gonna be

1750
01:39:58,480 --> 01:40:03,160
honest, Ronnie doesn't seem like
she needs that much protection.

1751
01:40:03,160 --> 01:40:06,120
Like she has that, she has that
strength about her.

1752
01:40:06,120 --> 01:40:10,120
Like she's, she kind of reminds
me of of Charlotte in a way

1753
01:40:10,120 --> 01:40:14,440
because she she is not afraid to
use her voice.

1754
01:40:14,920 --> 01:40:18,240
She's not afraid to tell people
what she thinks or to say that

1755
01:40:18,240 --> 01:40:22,920
you're wrong.
So yeah, at at this point, it's

1756
01:40:22,920 --> 01:40:25,880
just Lily for me because I feel
like she just, she needs to be

1757
01:40:25,880 --> 01:40:31,880
in a glass bubble where nothing
can touch her until this, as the

1758
01:40:31,880 --> 01:40:33,960
general said, until this cycle
ends.

1759
01:40:33,960 --> 01:40:36,680
And then when she gets grown,
she can get the hell out of

1760
01:40:36,680 --> 01:40:42,320
dairy and maybe never come back.
Definitely not.

1761
01:40:42,320 --> 01:40:46,280
So I know you guys have any
final thoughts about this

1762
01:40:46,280 --> 01:40:51,080
episode?
Well, I love a good historical

1763
01:40:52,200 --> 01:40:55,680
like storyline.
Yeah.

1764
01:40:55,680 --> 01:41:01,520
I think it's really cool.
I like that we saw the house at

1765
01:41:01,520 --> 01:41:05,040
the end.
Yeah, it's like the origin

1766
01:41:05,040 --> 01:41:06,680
story.
That was pretty cool.

1767
01:41:06,880 --> 01:41:08,840
Yeah, I always like that.
Yeah, yeah.

1768
01:41:09,280 --> 01:41:12,720
Yeah, especially since, again,
that's the most that we've known

1769
01:41:12,720 --> 01:41:17,520
about this particular character.
So yeah.

1770
01:41:18,080 --> 01:41:23,200
But yeah, I like the origin
story, too.

1771
01:41:23,200 --> 01:41:25,520
I think that was probably one of
my favorite parts of the

1772
01:41:25,520 --> 01:41:28,320
episode.
Did not like all the running

1773
01:41:28,320 --> 01:41:34,440
creatures that I can do without.
And Marge's eyes were quite

1774
01:41:34,520 --> 01:41:36,760
gross.
I'm glad I had just finished

1775
01:41:36,760 --> 01:41:40,360
eating when that happened
because I thought I was like,

1776
01:41:40,400 --> 01:41:44,200
OK, too bad this episode, you
know, Will got pulled in the

1777
01:41:44,200 --> 01:41:49,000
water and and we got to see
Major handling in his little

1778
01:41:49,000 --> 01:41:51,640
burnt state.
But if that's what he looked

1779
01:41:51,640 --> 01:41:56,200
like after his plane crash, he
looks good now because you can't

1780
01:41:56,200 --> 01:41:59,760
tell he has any.
Like you would think him being

1781
01:41:59,760 --> 01:42:03,320
burnt like that he would have
had some skin grafts or he would

1782
01:42:03,320 --> 01:42:05,440
have some.
He had some scars on his.

1783
01:42:06,760 --> 01:42:11,360
Very faint scars, but not like I
would think from the way that

1784
01:42:11,360 --> 01:42:14,120
they show what happened with his
character.

1785
01:42:14,120 --> 01:42:21,480
But yeah, I'm, I, I just want, I
want to know how he's going to

1786
01:42:21,920 --> 01:42:24,480
affect this story.
This there's No Fear thing.

1787
01:42:24,920 --> 01:42:30,160
I think that's the thing I'm
most interested in, even beyond

1788
01:42:30,160 --> 01:42:33,560
what the kids do or how they
defeat, if you can call it

1789
01:42:33,560 --> 01:42:35,600
defeating Penny wise disco
round.

1790
01:42:35,880 --> 01:42:38,560
I really want to see how how
handling plays into.

1791
01:42:38,640 --> 01:42:42,640
It right so yeah, which is
either defeat or he just went to

1792
01:42:42,640 --> 01:42:46,400
sleep yeah like who?
Really.

1793
01:42:46,400 --> 01:42:52,520
Boy, we clearly know who's safe
too, Penny wise.

1794
01:42:54,040 --> 01:42:59,360
Well, obviously, yeah.
Yeah, OK.

1795
01:43:01,040 --> 01:43:05,080
Well, unless you guys have
anything else, I guess that is

1796
01:43:05,080 --> 01:43:07,920
it for our show.
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1797
01:43:07,920 --> 01:43:12,000
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1798
01:43:12,000 --> 01:43:13,680
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1799
01:43:13,960 --> 01:43:16,600
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1801
01:43:19,240 --> 01:43:22,320
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1802
01:43:22,640 --> 01:43:24,200
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