IT: Welcome to Derry (Season 1 Episode 6) - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #387

0:25 What's up, hybrids? Welcome back to another episode of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast. This is Hanukkah and I am here with Anthony, Michelle and our newest official team member, Dina. Yeah, and Dina is now officially a part of the Fandom Hybrid podcast after we've been like just kind of snatching her up for everything over the last few years. So welcome, Dina. Thank you. Hey, so exciting. It's. Fun. She can bring that wealth of vampire knowledge to the podcast. Hey, yeah, yeah, yeah. Wealth of vampire knowledge. Or just the wealth of trivia knowledge. Trivia because she's a trivia girl. But let me just tell you, I've been planning to get some folks here lately.

1:14 Then I'm like bro y'all get out of the house at. All OK, so before we get into our episode, for our viewers who don't know that much about you, tell us a little bit about yourself. Oh yeah. Cool. So OK, I'm Dina and I'm a nerd. We've known each other, all of us, about 16-17 years, probably more at this final number, man. But I, I love trivia. So that's what I do for fun is I learn things so I can remember them and win and beat people. And my favorite thing to do is go on game shows. And so I'm trying to get on some more and I've been on four so far I've only lost on one.

1:58 Oh, that's that's. A good track record. Right I'm. You betting 75? Yeah, I, I, I'm pretty proud. I'm really proud. I can't live. I'm pretty proud. I definitely, but the and the one I lost on wasn't really trivia. So that's also I I realize I need to stay away from stuff that's not like in my wheelhouse because like unless it's just for like, you know, for fun, I'm too competitive to do things and actually like lose. That does not feel. Good she is. I have been on her. We we have done Harry Potter trivia together on many other occasions. Look, you, you're the one. You're the reason why I had to get my Harry Potter trivia knowledge up. Girl what you talking about like?

2:40 Yeah, Hanukkah used to crush everybody. Oh my gosh, Like it was like Harry Potter encyclopedia. And I was just like, oh, I can't mess with her. Yeah, it's like we go we we went to the Harry Potter trivia and she's going read the books in a decade and she's in there answering every question. It was like, wait, what do you mean you haven't read? You've only missed the one question. I said believe me, I remember more than I forgot that, you know. Doesn't jog, you know, once they jog your memory of something or connect something, you know, it comes out. If it's in there, it's in there. But yeah, I had to, like, get my hair. Oh, man, I couldn't even, you know, I came to the group of people with only movie knowledge because I hadn't read the books when I first came.

3:30 So I had to get jumped into the gang. I had to, yeah. Yeah. How do you prepare? I have a quick interview question. So how do you prepare for your game shows? What's your preparation? So whatever the game show is, I watch like every episode basically. I watch what the other players do and what the one that like the ones that win, I study them. I go play trivia like at the bars and stuff, and I play. There's a site called Sporkle that's really popular for. Trivia I remember. Playoffs sparkle and just anywhere I could find trivia I watched YouTube videos of trivia contest the people just doing regular trivia and just answer questions and just try to remember things.

4:17 And, and to be fair, a lot of stuff that I, I just remember comes from watching movies and TV. Like if I watched a movie more than one time, I, you know, I'm catching all these things. And then somewhere in the ether, this question comes out of nowhere. And it's because I watched that movie that same week, you know what I mean? Like, that kind of stuff happens. So yeah, but like I said, I got to get my game up because I'm playing against more people who, like, are like, so into it and so good that like, I'm looking stupid. So I'm like, OK, like we. Can't have that. We can't have that. So yeah, I'm. But I'm excited and I hope that some more games come up. Hopefully I can get on some games that I want to be on. And yeah, so that's pretty much me. OK, well, you know, welcome officially, officially, and we're going to jump into some Welcome to Dairy Episode 6. I have.

5:21 OK, so I have I have two things. OK, yeah, let's start it. I already, I already, I bet you already know what one of them is because I think, yeah, we had a little I, I think, I think, I think I know. Yeah. What you going to talk about? Oh yeah, so, well, it's 2 little things. Number one, if my name is Dick Halloran and I tell you to leave me the fucking alone. Leave me for. That's number one. Leroy is kissing me off in this episode. He really was. Leroy Leroy Rare bro Think.

6:01 About it, he was afraid of him at 1st and now he's telling you to get the hell long get out of my face and he ain't scared of you no more. Brother he got bigger. He. Got bigger fish to fry, right? Now, right like the dead soldier with the, with the, with his head halfway blowing off behind you, like you. You ain't that scary now, Sir. OK, and, and, and #2 I'm a need for Lily to tighten it up. You got to tighten it up, girl. You got to pull yourself together and tighten it. I understand there's a lot of trauma. I understand there's a lot of stuff going on, but I just need you to pull it together. Do you think that do you think the artifact is affecting her? I believe though, yes, I think so, yes. I mean because it it.

6:51 Yeah, it is. It's. Like I can't let it go. I can't let it go. She. Was giving off those vibes and I was just like. And then she looking like she just have no life. So I'm like, yeah, yeah, what is happening? All I know is when she was riding a bike down the street after her confrontation and she screamed, I felt that. I felt it, I really did. And I felt. So bad for her because I was just like this girl just needs a break like she has nobody in her like her friends done kind of you know ostracized her. Now this person that she thought she could trust, she finds out is. Is crazy.

7:33 It's a vegetable. Yeah, we're going to have to talk about Miss Kirsch because. Those, those are my, those are my two things. I looked at her in one way the first time I watched the episode, and then the second time I watched the episode, I was feeling a little more sympathetic towards her because yeah, we'll, we'll get into her. 'Cause I mean, I'll tell you some, some was not right with that one from day one. There's so many layers to her, to her story. So, so let's just let's just go to the beginning. Let's start with her in the beginning because when the episode starts we get a flashback to, I think it was 1936 was the flashback. 35.

8:13 Was it 35? It definitely has to be at least 27 years prior because he's awake. Right. But OK, so here's the other thing. We know his cycle is every 27 years. Do we know approximately how long that cycle lasts, like from the time he first shows up to the time he goes to sleep? Do we know what that time period is? 27-O Tomorrow. When he's awake, how long I. Kind of feel like the Native Americans when they were talking about the augury the in the other episode, I feel like they might have talked about that, but I don't remember a specific time. See, that's what I was trying to figure out because.

8:56 Because I think when the when the show, when the show started, he was waking up. Yes, and that was January because that's when Maddie disappeared, right And then this was April when we first meet the other kids. Well, the the ones who ended up, you know, Teddy and and and Phil. Yes, Phil. Oh OK, it says not. Yes, it does say 1935 at the beginning so OK so AI says pen. Wise is awake for roughly one to two years. Oh, no, you imagine.

9:36 Oh, that is horrifying. OK. That's horrifying, guys. And it depends. And it says it's it's it depends on. What happens, right, Because like when you look at Georgie that drew in the Losers Club, that incident. So it has to be something I guess to drive them in and whoever he picks and then the more kids they bring in and then that kind of thing. Yeah, because by the time we jumped in the Georgia story, they had already been a bunch of kids missing for the last, Yeah, for the last year or so. Yeah, OK, and this is the thing because even watching this particular episode with the kids going to the tower after I like literally you guys just got out the sewers.

10:26 Y'all almost died, why are your parents still letting y'all go outside like Will? I understand because Will took off. He got into an argument with his dad. He was like oh you going to put your hands on me? I'm right? Oh my God then dad online has been a nightmare. And mom, did they did they even tell the parents? Do you know where your child is? 10:00 PM commercial. They don't know what's happening to their kids, but you think they would know because kids have been. There's a curfew. Clearly these kids ain't keeping up with the curfew. They especially these kids, they aren't The thing is, is the. Your child.

11:14 Child tried to cut her eye out, right? Do you know where she at? No, we need to watch. Her but. You got one. We can't forget that child whose dad is on the run from the law. Why, you know? Grandma in that chair, she keep dozing in and out, reading her Bible, script, scriptures, OK. But we can't. We can't forgive. We can't forgive that. It does influence everybody in the town. That's true. They make them time forget to have children. I did the. Kind of. People did not really care. Worry, yeah. Yeah. Because like, for real, my child missing the eye Dang near and she she ain't getting out of my house, right? Not to mention, OK, my child is missing the eye because she doesn't try to cut her eye out in the school because quote UN quote, her glass is broke.

12:06 OK. Not only that you are friends with the town, quote UN quote crazy girl, the one who was with the other missing kids when the when the theater got bloody and you're hanging with the daughter of the guy that's suspected of killing said missing kids that were in the theater when the theater got blessed. I guess it's, I guess it has to be the influence because no way. Parents talk, and back in them days, parents used to. Your daughter needs to stop being around Negros, that murderer. You know that would have been the call from like 12 other parents, right? Yeah.

12:48 No, right, especially since we see everybody in this town ain't quite as Oh yeah, we're accepting of the the Negroes as we claim to be because. Yeah. What it what? Yeah, it's got it. It has to be penny wise because other than that, I cannot think of why these. But like we joke about the whole thing, you know? It's 10:00. Do you know where your parents are? It's a joke. But at the same time, y'all don't know shit about your children and what's going on. I mean we do the same thing with Stranger Things too, but like.

13:29 Like, and we may be joking, but they really did have a campaign about where do you know where your kids are at 10:00 but. Even that was in the 80s. This is the 60s. Right. But I just want to say a lot of that stuff didn't come until like after Adam Walsh got kidnapped. Right, because they're like, as long as the kids come home, yeah. But I, I guess it's just, there's so many things about this that's just so unsettling. And one, the fact that you are in the 60s to the fact that y'all, you know, for all of your outside acceptance or whatever, you know, it's white folks in that town looking around at these kids.

14:11 Like, why are these white kids hanging with these black kids? Tough. Hang with them. Tough. Constantly, night or day. Right, like y'all getting in all kinds of trouble and y'all are always together. You know, that wouldn't generally fly. So it's, you're right, Anthony. It's not Pennywise's influence. Well technically enabled so I guess 2 white girls 11 because everybody else is a minority. Rich is Hispanic, Hispanic is black, Will is black, Lily white but she crazy so she don't count. And Marge is a Patty cake. So, so far, Marge is a Patty cake, you know. Not anymore.

14:57 Not after that. So before. That she was a Patty cake and she was kind of covered so right, and she wasn't really hanging with them until later. Yeah. So yeah, yeah, that's true. After after she was targeted by Penny Wise, Yeah. But OK. So going back to the timeline 1935, we get black and white at Juniper Hill. You have the little girl in Jennifer Hill and you have her being LED downstairs by a nurse. I was like, if y'all are about to tell me the nurse, Nurse Kirch, was actually feeding these children to Pennywise because I really thought that's what they were about to show. Us.

15:38 I thought so too. I was like, because, because even though they don't show you her face at first, when she tells the little girl, when she gives her a hand and she says there's nothing to worry about, he said. That sounds like Miss Kirsch. Oh, the subtitles say Ingrid. I was like, oh, that's miss. Kirsch See, I didn't, I didn't even watch it the first time with subtitles because my subtitles have been they've been a little bit ahead of what the dialogue is. So I turned them off because I was like, I don't want to get, you know, I don't want to get spoiled that way. So I didn't see a name. I heard heard her voice. And I was like, that's Miss Kirsch. I said, is she feeding these children to this thing? And then when you get downstairs, you know, she's trying to tell the little girl Mabel, she was like, see, there's nothing going on.

16:27 And she was like, is this where you saw Pennywise? And the little girl says, yes, he told me to come down into the into the into the basement. And then she looks up and there's a red balloon there, of course. Red balloon. You see Pennywise come out and then they cut away from it. I was like, y'all gonna make us sit here and think about this all episode long. Like whether or not this woman, because at this point, even just the way she was talking to the child, something seemed off. And I know we were talking in the last episode because from from the moment we meet her, we all said something ain't right about this woman. Then in the last episode, we found out that she was the one sleeping with Hank Grogan.

17:13 So we were like, oh, that's probably it. She was just, you know, she being sketchy because she's sleeping with a black man. No, like the top of this episode I was like, back to my original. Something ain't right with her. I'm not going to lie, a lot of my assumptions about how her being not right, it was still tied to the movie where she was acting all crazy. Well, that wasn't her, but that was still her. Yeah, yeah. See, I don't see. I don't remember the movie because it's been years since I've seen it and I've only seen it once, so I have no recollection of it. I almost watched it this weekend and like I was telling Michelle and Dana prior to US recording, I started watching several things this weekend and I just couldn't stick with.

18:04 I couldn't focus. I was getting bored. So like I only got to maybe when when Beverly first meets Ben and and she's walking off at the school after she signs his yearbook. That's as far as I got because I was like, OK, I just, I can't concentrate. So I remember nothing of Miss Kirsch from the movie. Yeah, because in that scene it shows you the pictures. It was like Bev looked around and saw the pictures of of her father. I don't remember that. Yeah, you you got to watch it in the. Original movie, she goes to her old house and that's the lady that's in her old house, ain't it? I think she said that because what?

18:47 What was Bella? I forget Bev's last name. Marsh. Marsh. Yeah, that was the house. And then she. Thought she saw was Marsh but then she saw it was cursed and. She was like, oh, I thought it said Marsh. Yes, yes, you're right. So that first part of the episode, I'm sitting here looking, I'm like, OK, something right with her. Like is she feeding Pennywise? Like, because I don't, I think I recall him really having like anybody helping him except for I think whoever it was, Henry Bauer. Henry Bauer. Henry. And I think there was one other person who was kind of seeing him and I think he was kind of manipulating him, but nobody that was just like, here, let me bring you breakfast. I don't think we've seen that.

19:37 So watching it at the beginning, I was I was confused. And then later on in the episode, you know, the kids go through their thing, Lily and we'll we'll get into that. Lily, you know, she shows them the artifact that saved her down in the sewers. She's like, OK, well, he seems scared of this. We can go after him and kill him. Ronnie is like, hold up, you almost got us killed already and now you want us to go back And she, she goes off, calls her. Crazy says they should have kept you in Juniper Hill. They have this big blowout, right? So Lily, after that, she rides her bike to go see Miss Kirsch because that's the person who she goes to when she has some issues, when she has troubles.

20:22 Now, the first thing that made me worried and I had to remind myself this is the 60s. They kind of sort of did this. If the woman don't answer the door, don't go in the fucking house. Just just don't. Don't care that the door is open. I don't care if you knock in it. Usually if you knock. You know I would never do that. No, no, no. Even with people I'm close to, unless you call me and say I'm coming to your house and I say the front door is open, just walk on in. No, especially not for an unexpected visit because again, 60s, even when we were children, you didn't call before you went to somebody's house.

21:07 You just went to somebody's house, right? But she goes in and she opens the door and she goes in. Hello, is anybody here? And nobody answered. Guess what? That's time for you to turn around and go home. Because who knows, who knows what happened, It could be some dude in there stabbing her 4855 times. It could be Mr. Kirsch in there in his boxers with a beer can talking about make sure my steak is is done right. She don't know. No, you you really don't know. But she proceeds to go upstairs to the to the attic. And when she gets to the attic, there's a there's a record player playing a record.

21:54 She goes to a table, she sees a photograph book, then she opens the photograph book. I'm like, so we just invading folks privacy. Just yes. All Willy nilly, yes. Is that is what we do? Is this is what we do? Because you just, you're, you're mighty comfortable. You're a little too comfortable. And then I start thinking, I was like, oh, you know what? I was like, maybe Pennywise is pulling her in. I was like, maybe that was the influence. But no, she's just a little girl who very naively, she's just like, this is my friend. This is somebody I can trust. That's the kind of relationship they have.

22:36 Yeah, and she was like, she told me I can come and talk to her whenever I need to talk to her. So I'm going to go talk to her, OK. But you just don't walk in in her house. Yeah. So she goes through the photographs and she sees like all these old pictures of Miss Kirsch and. Oh wait, wait, I just had a thought. It is possible she could have done it before she told her just come on in if the door is open 'cause I I have a feeling this is not the first time she's been over there. Does this know where she lived? No, and and and I get that part.

23:19 I guess the the part, the rational part of my brain is saying even though we know Kirsch and Hank Grogan are a thing, why would you leave your door just open when a quote UN quote serial killer is on the loose? Especially when you have the husband that you have. Well, they let me come on now, the answer that question is easy. They have relationships and and. Oh, you talking about but you're talking about the clown or a serial. Killer No, I'm talking about her just in general. Like if you are, if you are in the town of Derry and you know, like everybody is saying, hey, we have this, this kid killer even though she's not a kid, we have this kid Killer. He's escaped.

24:07 We don't know where he is. It's it's one of those things where even if she doesn't think to do it because she she already knows where he is, Her husband might be like, you need to make sure the door is locked. Yeah, but he ain't there. He, he had the butcher shop butchering and you know, people and then and then in Derry around the time everybody doors unlocked. Yeah. Nobody, nobody liked. They're so close to Canada. People in Canada don't like their doors. I mean sorry Canadians, but it's true. Any Canadians there listening please direct all emails to HMR Potter. No, absolutely not. Absolutely not. You go to Mission too?

24:50 Absolutely not. But so I don't know. The whole thing was just weird about her being able to go in the house. But then she gets in. She sees the photographs, the photo album, she starts looking through the pictures. She sees old pictures of Miss Curse. She sees pictures of what may be her mom. And then she flips the page. She sees a picture of her dad. And I don't think she realizes that is Miss Kirsch's dad. At first. She just noticed this guy looks a lot like this clown that I just almost got killed by, you know, with, with the with the smile. And he has the unusually large head and, you know, those distinguishing features. And then you see the picture next to it of a young Miss Kirsch with her dad. And then this is when Miss Kirsch actually comes upstairs. And she's like, hey, what are you doing? Oh, I'm sorry.

25:39 You told me I could come by and the door was open and she was like, no, that's fine. I just wasn't expecting anybody. You don't know what she could have been doing. She could have been in the shower, which again, if she was doing all that stuff, her door should have been fucking locked. But. Yeah. You don't. You just don't know what's going on. So she comes in and and she looks at Lily. Lily already looks spooked because she's spooked by the fact that she's seen the picture with curses, Dad. So she's asking her like, are you OK? Is everything all right? And she was like, yeah, I just. I didn't know where else to go. We went down to the sewers, and it was a mess.

26:19 And, you know, Teddy was actually, I mean, Maddie was actually dead. And I wish she didn't say it, but she inferred it. Miss Kirsch. Understood. Gives her a hug. And then this is when it really starts getting creepy because even the way she's hugging her, she's like, oh, it's OK, you're safe. I was like, she looks really weird doing that. It was just, it was a, it wasn't just a comforting hug. It was borderline creepy at that point. And then Lily sees behind her and there's a picture of her dad in the Pennywise pasta.

27:03 So she kind of steps back and Miss Curse realizes she seen the picture. And she says, you've seen them. I said, oh, here we go. Here we go. The descendants of madness. What fuckery are they about to pull out their ass now? Because I at this point, I didn't know what to expect. I was like, OK, she knows Pennywise. We we kind of knew that from the start of the first, you know, the start of the episode, but I didn't know where it was going to go. I this this woman, she's like, yeah, you saw him.

27:52 Well, and she starts talking crazy. She's like, I, I had, I had to, I had to, I had to do what I needed to do in order to see him. And I knew your, I knew that you, I should have known you would be the one to bring him out. Looking at her like, what the fuck are you talking about? And then she starts putting things together. Wait, that was you in the graveyard because she sees Miss Kirsch's old clown uniform, the one that we saw in the other episode. I was just like, how was this about to go? Yeah, and then she said something like, he's in there, I just need to get him out.

28:34 And that was the thing I was talking about when I watched it on the second, the second viewing, because the first viewing when she was talking about Pennywise and that's her dad and stuff, I was like, oh, she is really gone. Then I really paid attention to her the second viewing and she said he's a little different, but he's still there. And I just knew maybe, maybe he saw, if he saw me as his periwinkle, if I remind him of the bond that we had, then I would be able to help him. I would be able to get him out. And I was like, oh, she thinks her dad is trapped, which he probably, technically speaking, he probably is technically, but the. They either get eaten or they float. Well, no, but what I'm saying is he still he still has his, his memory and I guess kind of his essence because she said she could feel it and and that's probably on. Purpose, she said.

29:32 No, no, no. What I'm saying is Penny Wise once once Penny Wise identified who she was because later in the episode we. Yeah, when he's looking for that. Confrontation. She's like Papa, he starts laughing. And then he uses that later on to kind of draw her in. He realizes who he is. Yeah, maybe he's still using that to influence her, you know. Or he just reaches into her memories like you do everybody. Or that, yeah. He's just, he's just it, it, it is just like, oh, let me see what's in your head. Why, Why are you looking at me like this? Oh, he sees it, sees all this, all the stuff about her dad and it, it makes a connection.

30:15 But if he killed her dad, then he would have he would have dad's memories too. Not necessarily. You don't think so? No, I don't think that's how it works. OK. But yeah, it's so crazy because she starts, she starts talking and she starts telling Lily the story about what happened. So we go back to the hospital. We see her and Mabel Pennywise actually comes to them and starts talking to Mabel. And he was like, oh, and you bought brought a friend. And when she says Papa, he starts laughing. Then he gets ready to attack them. They take off running. Now they get separated because of course, she's a grown up. She's running a little bit faster than the little girl. And she did the the trip, yeah.

31:05 Does the trip that everybody does, you running for your life? You just trip and fall. She trips and falls. Miss Kirsch is on one side of the door, Mabel is on the other side, and the door, of course, closes. You have Pennywise come up and Kirsch is begging him to leave the little girl alone and you hear him start to eat. Like literally. I did not need to hear that. And. It's very sad because it's crunch, crunch and then blood and you're because crunch, crunch, crunch and blood and then you get up and lose your damn mind. I.

31:47 Think somebody was already lost? Helped. Her break? Somebody was already gone. Because what the hell? Ain't no way I'm seeing the child. I can't get to him something and then something eats the child. And then there's blood on the floor. I'm not out. Right. Right. And then when you stand up, who was on the other side of the door? Your father. Yeah. Like he literally changed into what her father was and she really thought that was her dad. He was talking to her. He was like, it's mean. Open the door so you can so you can see. I was like, bitch. For Bill Skarsgard for being amazing because I would never like if I just wasn't a like a movie fan and I just didn't know what actors look like.

32:39 I wouldn't think that was Bill Skarsgard. Like he transforms. His whole everything transforms. It's insane. Yeah, insane. But but she continues telling Lily the story. She was like, you know, she said it was, it was still my father, maybe just a little different. Bitch, he ate a child. How different can you get? But she was like, he's just a little bit different. But I knew that if I could, you know, if I could see him again, I could help him. And, and she's literally in the hospital and she sees the balloon outside the window and she's thinking all this time, how can I get him to come back? How can I get him to come back?

33:26 And so I was, so the first time I watched this, I was thinking, I was like, OK, so she's been planning all this all along. And then when I watched it again today, I don't think that's the case. I think her being her being a mentor to Lily, I think that was genuine to a point. Now, the fact that she works in the hospital and that's where she first encountered Pennywise, I think maybe that's why she took a, a, a liking to Lily a little bit more because she was like, Oh, Lily might be one of the people that can see my dad, you know, But I think for for apart, she was genuine with Lily because even when Lily says don't hurt me, she said, Oh, I would never, I would, I would never let anything hurt you.

34:16 That's you, but your friends? Fuck them kids. Right. Literally, I would never hurt you but your. Friends, your friends are fair game. They're not. Well, she said it. No, she did, and without saying it. She, I think she was sincere with Lily and then I think up to a certain point, she was sincere about Hank because I don't think she was even think I, I don't know if I feel like she was even thinking about the whole Pennywise thing when her and Hank was messing around, because remember, they were messing around the night the kids got killed. So the whole thing at the end of the episode where the, the, where the police chief says, Oh, we know where Hank Grogan is. We had a anonymous tip from a, from a woman. I was like, Oh, you know what?

35:17 That was her because what did she tell Lily now, especially now that she knows that Pennywise is there, she's like, I'm going to do whatever I have to do to set him free. And I know how I can do that. And I was like, you know what? See where this is going? So. When they show her like after she after little girl dies or whatever and she is in the hospital and there's another kid that's like flipping out and, and you see the balloon go by the window. I feel like at that point is where she realized, like, you know what, maybe if I get this kid down there and in the, in the basement, maybe he'll eat that kid and come back again. Or, you know, like, 'cause she was just staring at the balloon, but she it was a kid there and I was like. And.

36:03 She was smiling like, excited like. She had an aha moment when she saw that balloon like. Oh, wait, yeah, I felt like that's she was like these children, they might be worth something after all. I'm not completely convinced that this that this wasn't I'm OK. I'm I'm not going to say the black spot was part of her plan, but I'm sure she was trying to think of ways to pivot her relationship with Grogan to lead to this point. The black spot just happened to be real convenient for it, but I I feel like at some point she would have set him up because he is a black man fooling with a white woman and you obviously the butcher is involved so.

37:00 So maybe she was going to like out them that they were together at some. Point she's going to out them at some point and I think that it just so happened everything you fill in the place. Yeah, because for her for for for the black spot. But I think at some point she was going to out him and and there was going to be a lynch mile, right? Because see, I was thinking about that like when. If Penny was asleep, would you think she would do that still? Well, that's the thing, I don't think she, but I think she had a feeling he was there. She just didn't know how to get to him. Yeah, right. And I think that's what she was figuring out when she was sitting there with Lily, because Lily was like, yeah, we've seen him.

37:43 He's he came after us. He's taking the chill. Like what? She knew she was like, oh, OK, so he's here now. I got to figure out how to do this. Because my thing was, I was thinking, if Hank had not mentioned Charlotte to her and said, hey, I know somebody who can help, would she still have been on that trajectory? Like, the only reason why she knew where he was was because they reached out to Charlotte. Charlotte got him somewhere safe, and she had something that she could now use because nobody else knew that she knew. Right. I'm just saying like up until up until Phil and Teddy and I guess Susie were killed, they were having a relationship. So had that not happened, the trajectory still could have been she was going to create this lynch mob and chaos because she she has to know.

38:42 That's what if she has been around long enough to know that he has a cycle, you know what I'm saying? But I don't know if she. Yeah. I don't know if she would put it together in that way. Not in that way, but in a way that she would know that she could bring him out. Well, like, not that he has a cycle, but she probably did notice that when stuff start happening to the children again, that this has happened before, you know, like back in the day with the little girl. And I'm sure there was other kids outside the the in there that were just going missing or whatever. And she was like, and then when it started happening, like heavily just kids getting killed for no damn reason, it probably did Click to her that, hey, this was happening the last time, you know, because I don't know that she knows specifically.

39:34 It's a cycle. And every 27 years he comes back. But she noticed probably the pattern of children. Yeah. But but she was going to have that affair. It has nothing to do with Pennywise. I don't believe that. Yeah. Oh. You met her husband. I did, but I also I also know her too. Yeah, but I I think that it, it was that was just pleasure now. That was pleasure. Then when the kid, when he got killed, she's. Like, right. And then he's like, oh, and now this can help me. And Lily is saying that she's seen him and. And I'm following these kids around. Oh, yeah, I'm putting them in danger. Yeah. Because.

40:14 If you think about it, when we'll just agree to disagree and maybe she. Was trying to have some fun I'm. Just like she's just like danger. She likes to flirt with danger and and dangerous situations. So doesn't. Make sense? She doesn't even think that dealing with Pennywise is dangerous. She she thinks that's her dad for real, so she doesn't think it's dangerous. She thinks her dad is has. Been taken. Yeah, it needs to be helped out. She knows that That thing is children. Right. But that's just the case, she thinks. Her dad's in there somewhere and she can get him out. Right. But you know what I mean? It's just kids. For her, yeah. Yeah, I mean it. It is.

40:55 Let's. Just agree that. Got nothing to do with. Because because the way I, the way I feel, I feel like whatever she had with Hank was genuine on her part until she factored her dad in. Because it's like, OK, I might love this, You know, I might like this man. I might even love this man. But do I love him more than I want to see my father alive again? And I think at that point she made the decision. She was like, oh, so maybe if I call some kind of chaos, maybe if I do this, it'll happen now. I don't know. See, I don't trust her. I don't think that she is a genuine person except to Lily, but even that was still colored by her own motivations.

41:44 So I don't know if anything about this woman is genuine. I really don't. I mean now no but but. No, I mean even her the whole way. Disappeared. Whatever. The whole way, the whole way she's been operating. I don't think anything she has done has been dreaming. You don't. Think so? OK. No, I mean it was. Really. That everything. About in 1935, she started feeding children. No, no, no. And that's what I'm saying I. Can see that as far as the kids but I'm thinking. But I'm like Michelle, if you thinking about just her being an adult, I think Hank just happened to be. It just happened to be an opportunity that dropped in her lap. But I think at first it was just fun. It was an escape from her husband. It was something she was doing for herself. And then when everything started happening, she started being like, OK, I might, maybe she felt like. This woman ain't got that genuine bone in her body. I don't understand why y'all giving her all this credit. She don't.

42:46 She doesn't. Yeah, she. Feeds children to it. She feeds children. There's nothing genuine about her. Yeah, that's the thing. Like, that's the thing about her and Lily that kind of bothers me is like, she saw what happened to the first baby. And I feel like after she realized she was going to see her dad again, that baby that they showed in that little clip of her seeing the balloon outside, that baby that was freaking out. She was trying to get. She was going to take that baby, too and feed that baby. Yeah. You know, Yeah. Imagine if Lily had been in the hospital one more time. She had been escorted down to the basement too. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

43:29 Because what did, what did she, what did, what did she say? Now I will say maybe not because she didn't, because she did talk to, she did talk to when she talked to her about Maddie being back, she did tell her. Don't go to the police, Yeah. And tell her don't go down there. Don't go down there, go to the police. She did tell her that. So I will say that maybe she does have a care for Lily, but she's like your friends can go. Right, right, your friends, but you don't go. You don't go, but your friends can go, she said. I told you not to go down there. She was like, but my friends imagine. She looked at her, put Lily in the place of like Mabel, because it seemed like she had a decent little something with Mabel. Mabel trusted her.

44:21 Maybe she put her like in her mind, that was her Mabel again. You know what? I. Mean I was, I was thinking, I was thinking a little bit of that too. I was thinking long line that she sees herself and Lily. Probably because yeah, yeah. Yeah, because the father thing, she even brings that up. She was like, you should understand, like if you, if you, if you, if you had an opportunity to see your dad again, wouldn't you? And Lily was like, my dad is dead. Probably if he hadn't tried to like filet her with Pickles, she probably would want to see him. Again, that is true if he was a whole person. Like, who would want to see? I wouldn't want to see him no more after that. And especially after you just saw him again and your desk at school.

45:05 OK. Oh, yeah. So, yeah, but they would stop that. But I but at least we see because, you know, for for everything that they keep saying about Lily. Oh, she's crazy Looney Lily Bainbridge, blah, blah, blah. Even, you know, Ronnie calling her crazy or whatever, whatever. Ronnie was mad. She was mad. But listen, Lily has some sense at least because she's like, OK, look, yes, I miss my dad. I love my dad, but no, I'm not about to do whatever to bring him back. He's dead. He's done. And what did she tell? She said, well, you know what they say about Derrick. Things that die here. Dogs don't stay dead, bitch. If you don't go somewhere, I'm going to tell you. I'm going to tell y'all.

45:49 Like I told Anthony the other day, I know I said I was going to stop cussing on the podcast so much. It's not going to be with this show. I'm just going to let y'all know that now. It's not, it's. Not Dina was. Dina was shouting out Bill Scarsgard. I don't want to shout out Madeline still. Yeah. He is an amazing actress. You feel good too. She's still a good and. She makes those little subtle changes, like you can see her go from sweet, caring, kind friends to like unhinged. And and it's just this, the subtle changes she makes. Is she she's really, really good. Yeah. And and then the son that we spent a lot of time, I was trying to figure out how old she was because she started being in her 50s.

46:35 No, it's got to be 60s, sixties. Yeah. It's about the character curse. No, I'm about Madeline. Madeline. I'm about the character. Yeah, we know she's not in her field. I love it, but she's not so much. Yeah. Because I was wondering that too, because I think Anthony and I were talking about Hank and and and cursed when we went to trivia this week. And I was like, you know, we had, I think we had the conversation when we were trying to figure out who The Who the white woman was when he first told about it. We were talking about, well, it could be this person. It could be that person. And I don't remember if it was Anthony or if it was Michelle, One of y'all.

47:18 Yeah. Well, you know, they don't necessarily have to be the same age in this day and age in the 1960s, somebody could, you know, it could be older. Could. Be. Yeah, so I was like, because I'm thinking Hank Grogan maybe in his late 30s, early 40s. Yeah, she got her character just based on the timeline because if she is the same, if she is the same clown that we saw at the carnival in 19 O 8 and she had she looked like. Maybe 6-7? She had to be like maybe 10-11 at that point. Oh, she was older, OK, I can't remember.

47:59 What she, I would, I would say she was probably maybe about 12/12/13 somewhere. But even if that's the case, you're talking 54 years later, right? 19 O 862. Yeah, 50. Four years later. So you're talking she got to be close to 70? Yeah, because even though they married young, the and the husband was old, that don't mean she had to be old, but she had. But she's clearly older because she was looking like she was at least 2830 in that in that flashback, you know? So I was, I was wondering too, I was like, OK, so does the fact that she's not scared of Pennywise. And if she was helping him, like we're we're just speculating. She was feeding children to him.

48:45 We don't know that for a fact. OK, But if she was doing something, if she was doing something like that, if she was taking children to him with the hopes of seeing her dad again, could that be slowing down her aging process? Because she doesn't look like she's close to 70. She doesn't, you know. I I don't think so. I don't think so. I think she's got good genes. OK, let. Me do a calculation. I don't think so. And and if you don't think that seeing take no more children down to that basement. I'm just playing. Definitely trying to get her the benefit of the doubt. I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt. And what year is this? This is 1962. 54 and she was and what was she in 19 O 8 maybe at least. I thought she was like 8 or 9.

49:39 Oh no. But I don't say like 12 I. Would say maybe 12. Oh, no, I was going to give you. I was going to give you like 4th grade, that's 9 or. 8 to 10/8 to 9/9 or two, OK, but but we know she's somewhere in that age range. 60. 2 so she'll be like early 60s or late 50s. Yeah. OK, so after that tracks. And that does because her husband is that old. Yeah, Yeah. And he could definitely be older than her because it could be one of those young, old marriages, but I really feel like she's closer to his age.

50:21 Yeah, me too. I just so they're they're in their 60s. Yeah. Yeah, but. Ain't nothing wrong with Little Old Eleven but. I'm just I mean, and nobody judging, OK, but. But wait a minute. But but Ron, Ronnie's dad, gotta be. I feel like, like Hanukkah said, he's about 30. He got to be like, I would say late 30s, early 40s. Right. She was having fun, yeah. OK, Yeah. Like did she just go to the movies one day and happened to see him? He happened to see her when nobody else there. And they start talking. Little winky wink, you know. Well, I mean think about it this before. Bone in her body. Before all of this happened, I mean, if you think about it, the way that the townspeople, like even in the first episode when they were at the movies, people were, I don't know if I want to say respectful of him, but he wasn't a bad guy. Like he again, the cops that were sitting outside his house, they were like you really.

51:24 One of them was like, but he like, you really think it's him. So it's not like he was just, you know, they just like, oh, yeah, yeah. No, it's just they probably were friendly with each other. I mean, like, like her husband said to Charlotte when she first got there, he was like small town. Everybody knows everybody. They probably knew each other for a long time. Hey. Hey, How you doing? Hey, What's her name? What'd you say her name was? Which one? Miss Kirsch on the closed captions. Anthony, you said it's Ingrid. Ingrid. Yeah, you know, probably really friendly. And, you know, who knows when the stuff with her husband started?

52:08 Her husband may not have always been an ass to her, you know. And I just thought about something. She might not have started that thing with Hank until Maddie got taken, and that might have cued her. That might be how she knew it was starting again. Because, you know, since it was four months between us meeting the other kids and Maddie's, you know, whatever had happened to Maddie, right? Maybe then that. Goes back to Anthony's Anthony's theory or assumption that she just ain't been right the whole time. The whole time because that they immediately start looking at Hank as because he was at the movie theater and all that stuff. So they was immediately looking at him anyway, because I feel like they had mentioned that before, even before the before the theater thing, the the big theater thing happened. I feel like they were already like. They already they already had got him and questioned him about.

53:05 Yeah, about Maddie, because he was at the theater. And so that would have actually she was, she had started right about then. That would probably prove that she had set him up. You know, she was setting him up because she was like, oh, it's time. It's time. Let me tell. You, because if anything, she could have been planning to do something in the theater. That's true. And she needed him to do that. That is true. A theater full of people. A theater full of people. Just being a watching the music, man, I can never watch that musical now because yeah. That was traumatizing.

53:52 But the the other interesting thing is the fact that she really was taking the information that Lily was giving her to try to find her dad, because we find out that she was the one that was in the cemetery the night that they tried to call, you know, the spirit. It wasn't actually Pennywise that they brought well, or maybe. It it, it was Pennywise. But she was there. She was there. She was there and she's the she's the clown that Will got the picture of inside the crypt. Which makes sense because none of the pictures of Pennywise, the pieces of Pennywise were blank.

54:35 Yeah, like he was in them. But the one picture that she was in, she was. Still there? Yeah. And then all of the pictures that they took of the the images of Phil and the ghost and Teddy and. All of the pictures of it. Because all of that was it. Yeah, well, I'm saying also to them it looked like they're friends. I did wonder why the wig was so weird in the pictures. I just thought maybe it was distorted because of the camera, but it makes But now that you see it's just her crazy wig that her wig. Yeah, that was. Cute. I don't know these clowns who thought these clowns are great. Like these are the worst looking clowns I've ever seen in my life.

55:16 If if I was a kid, I mean, even as an adult, I no, I mean, the, the, the, the only thing close that I have come to seeing a clown that was kind of sort of on that spooky spectrum was you got, have you guys heard of Puddles the Clown? Yeah, I've seen a total show live. He looks like Terrifier. He looks like that clown Terrifier. So yeah, but I. Oh, I did a podcast with Gary on his show Podcast of Amantiato where we talked about clowns. You sure did. He's really good did. You guys talk about Pennywise because I think I only lived until like half of that one and then I had to go work, but. Yeah, we talked about the terrified clown. Yeah.

56:07 See, I don't even know what that I don't even know what that clown looks like. Like I hear enough people talk about Terra Fire. I'm like anytime I see anything that mentions it, I turn away. I'm like, I think that's a little bit outside of my wheelhouse. So if you're listening, go check it out. Podcast of Amatiado real good. I'll, I'll link it in the show notes. But OK, so, so we're going to, we're going to wrap up on Miss Curse because we spent a lot of time talking about her, but basically, yeah, she she got issues and and Lily is now realizing that. And I feel so bad for her because she has the artifact with her again. She's keeping the artifact with her like this thing is. My precious.

56:53 Yeah, like her precious. So when Miss Curse tries to, I don't know, tries to grab her, hug her, comfort her again, she cuts her on the hand and she runs out the house and Miss Curse actually tries to grab her and she leaves a a bloody handprint on Lily's shirt. But Lily is riding her bike down the street and she just lets out this how? And I felt so bad for this baby because I was like, she can't catch a fucking break right now. Her friends are not around her. Her the the one person she she trusted has turned out to be a little cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs. Her mom ain't never there because mom is trying to work to support them.

57:40 Dad is gone out. I just feel so bad for this little girl. And it's like then she's sitting in the episode with the things that Pennywise said to her in her head, Oh, you're such a good, you know, you keep bringing me people because such a good friend, but you're such a bad dog. Like she was living with this rent free in her head. To the point, which is why I think she's also not giving up that dagger is because she probably doesn't have it while she's holding the dagger. Like, it's probably, you know, blocking out Pennywise's effects while she's coding. It could be, yeah. My thing is we need to chop some pieces off and make everybody like a supernatural medallion or Talisman or something like what are we doing? So I just, I don't understand, like Anthony said, like why did we leave chunks of this thing in the earth? Why didn't y'all take more?

58:35 I mean, she wouldn't know this, of course, but yeah, you know what, Y'all are right that that kid does look a little bit older. So she might be like maybe 12-13 in the picture. The one of of first when she was. Little she was little she was with her dad. OK, I just couldn't remember how old she looked. Yeah, but but yeah, I mean, even even when she's in the classroom, she's in the classroom. She's spaced out. And then when she goes to open her desk to get her textbook, she sees that image of her dad. I will never forgive them for what they have done to Pickles. Right, right.

59:16 I have not had a pickle since that episode. Oh yeah, because we've had trivia and you have. You didn't want any fried Pickles? I, I was the fried Pickles I can do, but I'm like one of those people that used to go to the store and buy the big deal pickle or I buy a jar of Pickles. I I can't right now. Yes, I mean, I'm not going to stop eating Pickles because they're my favorite, but like. The visual, The visual is I, I, I got to give it a couple of weeks or maybe a couple of months, because no. I'm I'm also curious about about its powers because the the Talisman or whatever you want to call it, it started glowing.

59:58 Yeah. In the classroom. Oh, because. They're probably protecting her. Because you know, like, so when it was all a whole whatever cage or whatever it was around it, whoever put those markings on it when they shipped them out and send them away or whatever they did, it was, I feel like if that's part of what was keeping him is that power. I don't think it really has anything to do with the the actual material itself. It's just whatever those rooms are that's keeping him. In the in the book In the book didn't they call itself Eater of Worlds? Yes, I remember something about that. Yeah, that's crazy, right?

1:00:39 Which is crazy, right? Physically Eater of Worlds. But yeah, I wonder if if it glowed because because she manifested that vision and the the shark was like, no, we're going to keep him away. We're going to keep him away. Oh, she didn't manifest that vision. Well, you know what I mean. It's like he, he brought it to her, but because it was him and, and that's what it was, I think it was, you know, trying. To I don't think you, I don't think it was trying to protect it. I think it just reacts to its presence. Yeah. And I don't think he actively does protecting. I think it's just it just glows. OK, it glows, Yeah, but the rain.

1:01:20 Blows whenever the NASCAR and all them are. All and the the. The dagger, Yeah, yeah. But when she when she saw that. Now, I will say this, I understand the adults are under some kind of influence or whatever, but I'll be as adults who are showing no compassion to this girl who are showing no kind of understanding. Like she obviously is freaking out about something that she sees on her desk. And the teachers like Lily Bainbridge, you sit down, right? Do you not see that this child is freaking out? Is it not like in you to go to her and say, Lily, are you OK? You know what, this child has been through her dad. They don't they they.

1:02:20 The adult, let me tell you, the adults in the way that they are with these kids. And again, I understand if they're under some influence, but even just the teacher, just not having any compassion. The what? And then she gets mad because Lily walks out the classroom. I would too. Me too. I probably would have slapped you once. Yeah. Yeah, but you know, they did they they didn't have no real like compassionation beat kids with meter sticks. I know. And stuff. Back then they didn't I. Know I remember them days now rap on you with them stick moving on since we're talking about slapping folks.

1:03:07 Who you want to slap, girl? Who you want to slap? Let's talk about motherfucking Leroy. Leroy and Jenkins. I need Leroy to pull himself together too. Together OK, but you let me just tell y'all you wouldn't you know I get it. Black folks, we always because of how we were all raised, we all come up with the the the corporal punishment thing and be like each year and need they. But me, you know, we always stand as black folks, but the amount of people who felt like will deserve to be slapped in that situation. Like I get it, he was mild enough, but like also he. Was telling the truth. This stuff this boy is going through, him and his friends are going through, these kids are dying. It's not like this ain't a game for him. Like he he treating Will like he's like he playing games. Right.

1:03:58 Kid is traumatized and so you are now on that end where you're seeing what he's going through and you're you're getting that riled up that you just smacking your kid around because you're so angry about what happened to you. But what do you think he's freaking going through? He's a child. But anyway, so that may be meant because people are lying like hey, you just left him again and all this stuff. And I'm like, no, because I, I mean, literally, he was telling, he was telling the truth. He said the truth. He was like, you want me to just stay here and hide while my friends are in danger? I'm not going to do that. And I mean, I, on the one hand, I understand what Leroy is saying because you're a child. What are you going to do? Like he has that.

1:04:41 You're a child, there's nothing you can do. You need to let me handle it. I'm a grown up. I get that part. He can't do nothing either. But he's right and he is. And he still has witnessed what he does with his help, right? Like his power. He don't kill his friend 'cause he ain't he. Ain't part you? Know because and the. Big really. His friends walked out of there. So we're all alive. And it was because they were together and they were helping each other. So yeah, when I say Leroy was getting on my nerves in this episode, and then when Will was telling him, he was like, it's gotten to you. Yeah, yeah. He's like Nah, Nah, this is just me.

1:05:21 And then it was not when you and your kid, then you're going to tell Charlotte later on. It's it's just, you know, all this stuff that happened in the sewer, You know, that's not me. That's not me, bro. You basically saying what your son already said? Yeah, but also, again, the thing that we have to think about, the whole thing with him not having the fear. So he is coming across as anger. Yeah. I get it, but sheltering your child, first of all you're already whole withholding stuff from them, you know what I'm saying? And granted you in the military, I get it.

1:06:03 That's your priority. Cuz he pissed me off with that too when he was talking to Charlotte. But this is your priority, whatever your first priority needs to be towards your son. Because what? Now you know, Now you know this thing is targeting children. Right. You know your son is MD Crosshairs. Literally. Literally like several times he didn't almost died because of this thing and you, you mad. No, like I don't know. I just, I had so much PTSDI was like Oh my God, I was so mad.

1:06:44 It's just like grown people, don't they? I mean, there's some things I think kids obviously should be disciplined for, but kids do not need to be hit and smacked around because you're angry. That is something you do not beat children over. And they also don't need to be hit and smacked around when they are aware of the situation that's going on. Yeah, but you see what's happening, yeah. Right. It's not like he told you something that was untrue. And also he's doing what you told him to do. Yeah, you told me that. The what? What did he say? The the the sign of being a man is having friends and doing what you can to help them out.

1:07:30 Whatever he was like. I have friends now. Think about the way he said. I have friends now. He didn't have friends before. I have friends now and my friends. Need me? Remember when they first came, he was talking to Charlotte about it. He was complaining about him not being more like him or not being, you know. And that is actually what the problem is, because no, he shouldn't have hit him in anger. Well that what he did is not equal punishment to being hit like that. So either way, if people agreed on that. I mean that was. A little much that was Yeah, that was. And you're doing it not because you just mad that you you shot your friend.

1:08:13 And your son called you out on? It right, but if they had a better relationship, it could have worked. It could have been different when that happened because then Will can be like, Dad, you, you losing control. I think he has gotten to you. But because they're not connected, like he's going to have to repair this later. Yeah. And that's what Charlie told us, right? Because you, you don't have. He's closer to his mom. Because you don't listen to him. You didn't want to go fishing. You finally got some friends. You don't really know what he likes. You don't. You're not listening to him. Y'all both seen some some crazy shit the last couple of days.

1:08:54 So can we sit down and feel mom in and tell her like I understand her. I understand son. Maybe we can get your friends to spend the night over here. That right and then I figure something out for away from there. You want to protect your friends. Let me go with you. We bring them over here. Let's have a slumber. Part because that's the other thing that pissed me off when he told Charlotte you need to stay out of this because you don't know what's going on. That's part of the problem. Part of the problem. That's part of the. Problem there is a crazy looking clown the turn into things and you don't feel the need that's coming after the kids but.

1:09:35 Right. And it's coming after your kids because that's the one thing. Like if it was something. And you know that it is that was trapped. On base and it was like the Army had control over it maybe, but this ain't something that's the Army got control over. This is something in our town, under our home, attacking our children and you just. You put us in the cage with the monster. He was like, I didn't know. But when you found out, you still didn't do shit about it. Right. And you're still not. We're still not having the conversation. Right, or or even just telling her like he was like you don't understand Charlotte. This thing, this thing got in my mind. It changed itself.

1:10:16 It was, you know, because I think he's telling her, but he's also telling her in a way that she's like, what the fuck are you talking about? Like you're not having AI understand. This is not the time to have a calm rational discussion, but you got to do better than what you doing because. Keep packing up bro. Yeah. Right. She's like, I could go help it. Oh, by the way, yes, I'm helping the escaped quote UN quote murderer and you can feel however you want to feel about it. But this what I'm going to do and then I'm going to take your son and we going back to Shreveport with or without you. Yeah, and honestly. When he tried to talk to her and he was telling her, he was like, look, I'm just messed up in my mind about Polly. And she went to go hug him.

1:10:58 I was like, OK, maybe this is the start. And then he was like, I'm doing so much to try to protect this country. She. Backed up because we don't went back to the country. Why? Why are you? Why are we not we not who is lying to you, right? Like and you literally just slapped your son and he ran out and you worried about the country right now. You need to worry about your son. Because my thing is so this is the thing that would really like made me be like, OK, maybe I need to retire early. You, you got a man telling you that there's this thing out here that if we get a hold of it, it's so powerful that it we can we can control the whole Cold War.

1:11:44 That didn't that didn't give you some kind of pause. Like, I don't understand why that alone did not give him pause. They're talking about something that puts so much fear in people, they can stop a whole war from happening, right? Right. Then you tried that same shit with with Dick where he's like, you need to get yourself together to help protect this country. Listen, he was like. Get the fuck out of here with that. We do what we can to take this country. So you need to do your duty to your country you like, right? So you know, what if you got to talk to the ghost to find out where this is and the ghost got to come in, you just got to do it one time and then you can lock them back away in the box.

1:12:25 They said, well, what if I can't do that? I was like, you know what Leroy, you starting to get on my nerves. No, he's been getting on my. Nerves in the worst way. Since day one. Because you were not. First of all, you are in the military. And I've never been in the military, but my dad was in the military. I know a lot of people in the military and I see what the military does. You know, publicly you best believe that General and telling him all the truth. He was telling them everything. Right.

1:13:08 That's what he told them. Wasn't enough for me to want to. I wouldn't want to have nothing to do with that because I didn't. It just doesn't sound right. And again, going back to the whole plan when they went to 29 Nebolt St. you're talking about going to retrieve these 13 artifacts and moving them closer to KHM. You didn't have enough manpower to do that. So something you are saying is not right, but you just don't believe what they're telling you because, and I don't know if this has to do with ego. I don't know if it's because, oh, OK, well, I'm the only person who can do this. So, you know, they're, they're letting me in on this top secret mission, whatever classified mission, whatever, whatever do.

1:13:51 Your son has almost died several times over, including once by your own hand. I think you need to say fuck the military at this point and figure out what the fuck is going on in Derry and get your get your they. Go. Right, because at this point. Put in order to be moved. Or not even that y'all. So y'all. So they sit on finding this entity, go AWOL because guess what? The further they get away from Derry, they going to forget about Pennywise. They might forget why you went AWOL. You. You will be. Fine.

1:14:32 You will be fine, your your son and your wife will be safe. But right now all three of y'all are on Penny Wise's radar at this point, even if he hasn't come after Charlotte. Charlotte has her hands in enough pots that she's going to get pulled into it somehow. Penny Wise has already disguised itself as her. Yes, she's she's fully involved in this Hank Grogan thing, which we see by the end of this episode is about to go to shit. Yeah, and she he, she actually saw the cops face change wimp any wise. So she's actually seen them and just didn't realize what it was.

1:15:14 Right. And if Leroy would just listen to himself like I, I, I killed my best friend is dead. I almost killed my son. Yeah, dude. And you saw your you saw the theme change into your wife. And then after you shot it in the head, it still woke up and went. Yeah, and swim away. Just listen to your own self. It's time to go. It's time to go. Dairy is not the place to to make roots. I'm like, I'm like Dick man, you better get out of here with that bullshit. Let. Me tell you. Poor Dick, he don't been through it.

1:15:54 Dick at this point. Dick and Lily, they have been through it. They have been through it and both of them are done. Lily is letting out the howl of all house and Dick is literally telling his officer fuck you I don't care what you. Get the people get. Out because this man has been missing for a day. You come in and he tells you you like, what's going on? You were in the tunnels for a day. He was like, well, this thing I got, it allows me to see things from a young age. This man just told you he'd been seeing dead people since he was nine years old, that it was so bad. Had to lock them away in an imaginary box in his head. Yeah, and he's so beat up now he can't even get them back in the box.

1:16:49 It it came and just ripped that top right on off. And laughed while it did it. And. And you want to see him be like, OK, well, do you see him now? Yeah, they're in here. There's a couple of them in here. Well, can you talk to no, because if I talk to you say as long as I, as long as I shut up, don't say nothing. They don't even notice I'm here. But if I were to say anything, it would be like noise. And and again, going back to our comparisons, I have a feeling like if you watched Umbrella Academy, when Klaus is is off his drugs, all of the ghosts are coming to him and they're talking to him. And I feel like that's what Dick goes through if if he allows that to happen.

1:17:38 It's like that it's like in in ghosts when Whoopi Goldberg's character, yes, when her she empowers manifested. She talked to one they see, you know, looks like they all. Oh, you want to have conversations with us? OK, let me tell you what's what's going on with me. OK, let me tell you what I need you to do. It's too much. And then for somebody with his kind of abilities, I can't, I don't even want to imagine what that's like. And then for you to have the unmitigated girl to be like, well, you can just do it once you got to do it for your country. I mean because first and foremost you are an airman for. Your man first class. Get out of here with that bullshit, he said. Get the fuck out of here.

1:18:19 Get the fuck out of here with that. And, and rightfully so, because that's because your ass ain't scared. Yeah, no, me and the rest of us ain't. The rest of us got good sense. Or or just like you, sometimes you got to question orders like what is wrong with you? How are you not questioning orders at this point? And I love that line where he says General Shaw's calling him. And go lick his. Boots. You know what he. Needs your your boot licker. You can't talk to me like that. I just, I was laughing. I said, you know what, he deserves it because he really is not looking at this with his eyes open. And I don't know if it's that whole thing with the brain damage that's just making him that detached. I'm sure that's part of it, but some of it I also feel like there's a there's a bit of arrogance with Leroy that. Oh, OK.

1:19:17 Well, I'm going to take care of it. Oh, we're going to be we're going to move away from the house. We're going to be on base. And that thing is not going to bother you. I promise. Bruh. You can't make the time every main do not make promises. You can't keep Harriet point blank. Because. You don't even know what you're making promises about. Why? You don't know anything. But you know, he, I guess his whatever crash he had where, where he almost died. You know, they say stuff like that changes your life, changes your outlook. Maybe that combined with with the the brain damage is making him like this.

1:19:58 And, and I wouldn't doubt it, but and, and I mean. I can't even understand it, that no man, I got to like it. That no man, I'm not going to give him shit about it. You being an ass right now and your family is in danger and you worried about the wrong thing. Oh, we're going to do what we got to do for the military because that's what they told us to do. I think. I think Dick was trying to get locked up. I think he was trying to get. Like maybe so he wouldn't have to do it anymore. Like, because you know, if he's available, they're going to make him go back out. There, but I also think they're not going to lock him up for that specific. Reason because. He's too valuable a resource for them, which is he suck.

1:20:43 Terrible. And again, like, we don't know what it was that he did to put those things in that box. But also, he was 9 when he did it. He's a grown man now. He's had other experiences. He's had life experiences he might not be able to. When you're 9, your life experience is so limited. Yeah. It was probably, yeah, easier for him to focus, like, OK, I don't want to deal with these things. I'm going to put them in this box and I'm going to keep it locked up. But now you got so much other stuff going on, and not only that, you have this real fear about what this thing is because you can feel it. How are you supposed to focus enough to to do that? Yeah, it's not.

1:21:34 It's not going to let you focus enough. He's going to leave, it feels like. Oh, he's trying to lock him up in there. I like where you are right now. And then on top of all of that, he goes to the black spot, which is the place that he secured for his friends. He goes to try to get him some some some drink and some relaxation and y'all got to outlaw outlaw hanging out. He said no, no, no, no, no, no, no. He was like and when Hank was like, I'll be quiet. I'll just stay back here in the room. He. Said this ain't a magic room, he said.

1:22:17 You're going to bring down a lot of trouble on us. And I was like, Yep, Yep. Because we talked about it and we see what happens towards the end of the episode because again, somebody done tipped off the cops. We know who that. Is right and and at this point you got all your friends in this little droop joint. Y'all are having a good time. Y'all are partying, partying. Y'all are singing. The kids will Marge and Rich, they've come in because they want to talk to Ronnie because again, they had their big blow up earlier. Ronnie is like, we're not going back down there.

1:22:57 You almost got us killed. I'm staying with my daddy, you know. She was like, I'm not doing none of this because that that little argument she and Lily had, I mean, she went off. She was like, look, you, I wish you'd never come to my house, she said. Because if y'all hadn't come to my house, we wouldn't have been in that theater and my dad wouldn't be on the run. Lily was like, you got it easy. She said. You were up in the booth. You didn't have to see them. I saw what happened. I was the only one that came out of there alive so. And she felt guilty about Maddie on top of that. So she has a lot of like. Yeah. And for her, she's like, if we can kill this thing, if we if this thing, if it's scared of this thing and we can kill it, all of us can sleep.

1:23:49 All of us would be better. And I'm sorry for with everything that she's gone through, it don't seem that crazy a plan to me. Yeah, because at this point, you can either go try to kill that thing or you can let that thing make you crazy to death or actually kill you, eat you. And again, she has seen what that looks like. What it looks like, Yeah, now I get that. I do get where Ronnie was coming from, though, because Ronnie was like you. You convinced us with your anchor and whatever. I forgot the other metaphor. You like she did kind of like hype them up and like make them feel a certain kind of way because all of them was like, I don't know if I want to say I'm not an anchor, but I feel like I should be anchoring today. And so I get where Ronnie was coming from because she, you know, she did kind of like push them. They're like, come on, guys, we can do this and whatever because we have this, this, this, this collaboration of of eating, eating.

1:24:47 But it was those things that they ate anxiety pills or whatever. We have the Valium. We can. Do this. And so here she comes again after that crazy. You got us out, took us down and got us killed almost. So I I do understand where Ronnie's coming from. It's but it's, you know, it's all fear. And then like Richie, Richie is so smart, he said. Guys, don't let him push us against each other. Like that's what he wants. What he wants. This is what he wants and I'm like but my precious. Right. But the other thing with the kids, before we go back to the Juke joint, I feel sorry for Lily too, because she's the only one not paired up at this point.

1:25:35 Because Will and Ronnie got this little cute little thing going on. And Rich and Marge have this cute little thing going on. And I think it was so funny because I think Anthony was like, I actually like them together. He was like, I don't usually like. I don't. You know, the whole romance thing. I don't, I don't care for romance stuff, but Marge and Rich. They make a cute little cool. Oh, they. Were so adorable. Him helping her with her little. Patch. Oh, that's the coolest thing I've ever seen, baby. But I would have punched him dead in his face when he started licking my bandage. Like, yeah, I was like, oh. God, 60s. That's what they did.

1:26:17 Yeah, shout out. We Webblo. I was a Webblo. We Webblo OK. But the. The. The coolest thing with the there were there were two actually like really, really cool moments with the kids in this episode. The first one was in the cafeteria when the Patty cakes came over to talk to Marge. And they were like, oh, you know, they're still talking shit about Lily. Oh, it's a good thing that you survived. You know, you're you're you're almost killing at the hands of Lily. Is is, you know, at least you didn't take your second eye. And Marge is like, that's not what happened. Well, why don't you come to our table and tell us what happened? Is sitting over here with the nerds and Rich is looking at her and all the other kids at the at her. I'm just looking at Mars like So what you going to do? Obviously, if you're sitting at the quote UN quote nerd table, you know everybody thinks you're a nerd. So if they call you a nerd, you're not surprised. You're looking at March like OK, you sitting over here with us and she calling you out with.

1:27:24 What? Are you going to do but she. Don't do March. And she has the courage now because her and Rich, they had this cute little interaction before where he gives her the iPads and she talked, They talk about nights and and pirates and it's really, really cute. And when when Patty is like, so you going to come sit with us or you going to sit over here with the freaks? She just looks at her. Then she stands up and she's she says, Patty, I am a freak. She takes the bandage and the eye patch off and she but I say. I'm like, I'm so glad her character like developed and changed 'cause I wanted her dead in the beginning. But that little girl who was over there dry haven cause Mars. I was like, Michelle, is she dry haven, 'cause she ain't talking, she she's doing something.

1:28:22 She doing something. I was like, is she about to throw it? Like, did she scare her that much? But Oh no, you know what it was? She was chewing gum. Before, I was just about to say she probably was. Oh. OK, she. Was chewing that I think about it because I remember looking at her face when Patty was talking to Marge, because she was. Yeah, but. This when they always chews gum, Yes Yeah. So when Marge scared them I guess she got choked from. Dad, but she won't say Nan nails. And that was the moment when Rich really fell in love because he was looking at her life like she's a kind of my dreams. And then the two of them in the two joint.

1:29:06 So. Cute. And the and the special the the the air. Force the Air Force coke. But did he? Did he put ramen in the coke? Yes. Yeah, he did even. If you watched it, if you watch he has a bottle, he turns around. Most of them like I just. Did but Adam saw and he said did he? Just get him some rain. Because I was wondering why they was talking about freedom coke and white tasted party because I I must have looked away or something because I didn't remember. That was very quick it. Was very quick. Very quick. He he, he said what Coke coming up. He grabbed that bottle and turned around. This Coke tastes funny.

1:29:51 That was like, it tastes like freedom. Freedom. And then later on, March is like, I like Air Force coke. But the second coolest moment with the kids, they're in the jute joint. Will is in the back trying to talk to Ronnie about, you know, hey, we all need to be together if we're going to go after this thing. And then he starts talking to Hank. Marge and Rich are out and they're just looking at everybody. You know, everybody's dancing. They're playing music. You've got the little, the little cute little white girl soul singer. She was good. And and one of the guys sees Rich's drumsticks in his pockets, so he comes over. He was like, hey, sticks, do you play? He said.

1:30:38 We got a drummer, but he's indisposed. The drummer sitting over on the couch, knocked out drunk, sleeping. So he gives Rich, let me tell you, Rich. He, he, he puts Rich on the drums. Rich like a little something. He gets on the drums and tears up. He is jamming with the black folks and like, like Dina's name says, he is invited to the cookout. Invited to the cookout. Richie was doing it, and Marge was looking at him like she was looking at him with all new eyes. I think that's when she fell in love. I was like, yeah. Because he was just like, you know?

1:31:19 Looking at him like spin it. And that that actually kind of really fits though, because he's like, he's Cuban. He's like probably got a lot of different types of music in this, you know, household. He probably listened to some jazz, you know, he probably doing all of that. Yeah, Honey, he. Because when she said you think we should, you think we should go, he was like, Nah, I. Think we don't think that is good. It was good. And then when they started doing the dance and they were doing the little freaky dancing, he was like, oh, what are they doing? And I was like, I think they're dancing. He was like, I've never seen dancing like.

1:32:02 That's that dancing your parents keep you from. Yes, but they were so cute. And then of course, you know, they're outside. I mean, they're inside. And then you have two of the two of the people who were at the party outside. They're talking, flirting, whatever, and all these cars start pulling up, Start pulling up. I was like, no people. No. Oh, but but before that, you see angry at putting on her costume. Oh. Yeah, And I was thinking, oh, man, if something goes down, no one's going to believe that it was a monster. They're just going to say this woman was a serious.

1:32:43 Yeah, yeah. Which is what? You know what? And I actually would not be mad if she was accused of, you know what I'm saying? I would not be mad at that because at least that would get handcuffed for me from from being put in jail. That's right. You know I wouldn't even be mad and she crazed as a bestie bug trying to you know, feed children so her daddy will come back. So maybe she do need to go to jail. Or, or the Juniper Hill. She need to look. She needs to go from the employee to the patients. She ain't wrapped too tight. Ma'am, ma'am, you're going through the wrong entrance, patient entrance that way. Preage this way please. Listen, but when those cars start pulling up and the two people outside they're looking, they're like, were you? Were y'all expecting any more people? I.

1:33:36 Was first of all, let's talk about these. Let's talk about these cowards. Coward masks. Masks, don't they? Well, let let's even go back because Chief Bowers is no longer Chief Bowers because of everything that happened. I guess they blame him for the quote UN quote animal attack that allowed Hank Rogan to escape. So they relieved some of his duties. So he comes into the bar while everyone is trying, they're discussing like, oh, the murderer is still free. What we going to do? He was like, you know, they're they're trying to decide where they're going to search for him or we're going to go to the to the barons. Oh no, he's not there.

1:34:17 I know where he is. We had a we had an anonymous tip called in. I was like, no, she didn't. Yes, she, she. Did. And I love her and only be cursed at this point. Well, they made sure to say a woman. And they can only be cursed at this point because we know Charlotte and Tell. Right, right. And nobody else knows he's there. Right. So they're like, OK, well, if you know where he is, chief, why don't you go arrest him? He was like, I can't do that because as the call came in, I was cleaning out my desk because I've been relieved of my duties. He was like, I can't even give him a parking ticket right now. They're like, So what you come and tell us for? Oh, because you're about to make, you're about to round up that mob I talked about two episodes ago to go and and mess with them. So here they are pulling up at the Juke joint and this is where the episode is.

1:35:06 But I'm like, if you look at the cars that just pulled up, you know that ain't your fault. Yeah, especially considering most of your fault. So the moment they come at you and they have their brights on to the point where you have to be like this and then what was it? You want to dim them? Light some bro, bro, you talking to the wrong person? Because the moment you see some of those cars, some of those cars, especially if you are in the town, you should know who some of those cars belong to. Right now they be on the base, though they really sit on the base. But they but the but the other like the the girl she she's probably a Tammy.

1:35:56 That's true. You know, like they're probably just. There's some just from the from the area. Yeah, but they get out the car, they've got all masks and they've all and and they've got guns. Powers. Painting man, can't never do shady shit and show your face. Because you're, you're, you're the prominent people. I mean, Mr. Kirsch was in that crowd, in the in the bar. It's always the ones that that the nice town folk, you know. Mr. Kirsch was in there and. Stan. And what's the name's dad is Stan As soon as his daddy was in there. Yeah. Or feeling Susie. I don't want to be fair, feeling Susie's daddy was in there. He's literally the only person out of that crew that I can understand him being angry enough to go set some people on fire.

1:36:47 If it was my kids, I probably if I thought somebody killed my kids, I probably would lose my mind and go try to kill some people, Right. But the rest of them, they just really just wanted to kill some Negroes. That's that's. That's what it was even in the beginning of the episode when they're putting Hanks wanted posters around the town. You see everybody walking down the street with their guns and they're all gathering in the square. And like all the other people who aren't gathering with the guns more more mostly the the women, they're just walking, not paying no attention. Like it's not a big deal to them. I, I told Michelle, when we saw that scene with all the people, all the dudes walking around with shotguns and rifle, I said they they think he's just going to walk out of the bakery, like he's just going to walk into the town square.

1:37:36 Yeah, they they just need, they just need a excuse to carry their external appendages around. Towers. Yeah, yeah, you're right. Because we already know, like I said, that's how the episode ends. But we already know where this is about to go. Yeah, we already know it's and and I don't remember the same much from the book, but I do know that was like one of the big the big events. So we already know this is about to go wrong and the fact that Will and Ronnie and Rich and Marge are all in the building with when this goes on. And like I said, the singer that they have in there is a is a little white girl probably from town. Yeah, it's about to be some mess. All because put Hank Rogan in there. Yeah.

1:38:32 And yeah, I think The thing is they could have sent him away. I mean like, look. I know she was trying she and that that was the reason why she put him in the black spot, because she said she was trying to get him over the border, but it was going to take her a couple of days to get the papers together. So I get that. But why would you? Why would you put him with other people that you could endanger? And granted it's a little military hangout. Those are military guys. I'm sure they can handle themselves. But when you have mob mentality. You just don't go to the other people who black for the most part.

1:39:17 Right. I mean, and I mean, even if Hank wasn't there, they probably would have figured out some, oh, some black folks are over here. Let's go talk to them. Let's go bother them a little bit. Somebody would have known they were out there. Yeah. But that whole situation is about to be ugly because you got all the black folks in one spots, you have the murder, the quote UN quote murderer in that spot, and you have children in that spot. It's about to be ugly. Pennywise is about to have a field day. Yeah. The Feast. Because, you know, there's no way that situation is about to happen and they're not be violence and they're not be dead, right?

1:40:06 Somebody, somebody is not going to have a cool head to prevail. Because they don't have to. I know, you know, I mean, they might have fired the sheriff, but you know, the the cops ain't going to care. You know they ain't going to care. And I'm sure, and I couldn't tell because when they, when they came out the cars, they had the masks on. So I couldn't really tell. But I think the sheriff was the one that was leading it, wasn't he? Oh yeah, definitely. Yeah, it was definitely Bowers for sure. So I'm just like, you know what, I'm just, I'm going to brace myself for the fuckery that's about to happen in the next episode because, you know, he's about to be some.

1:40:50 He's at least Henry Bauer's grandfather, right? So like now you can kind of see where Henry kind of. Got. His attitude from. Yeah, yeah. All I got to say is they better not touch my babies so. Goodness. And Hank Grogan need to get the fuck out of there. Yeah. Bro run into the woods. It's, it's dark. It's dark. Let's let's be honest, they're not going to see you let it run, run. Because they're so focused on going inside because they want to start some shit. They want to. They have been itching for a reason to go and shoot some black folk.

1:41:36 And then they know that the unless there's somebody who's just kind of like super scared and they just want to turn them in, they know that they're not going to probably turn them in because I mean, who wants to turn over a black man to be lynched, right? Like nobody. Yeah, and but then not only are they cowards, but they stupid. They do realize that these are military dudes. I. Don't think I. Don't think they realize that yet. They know it was a Air Force thing that was out there. They know that those part of the Air Force, not part of the base, but they knew what it was. Remember that?

1:42:17 Remember, that was something that the General gave Dick. Right, but that is still. Part of the land. Part of the land. I wondered if she. Said what it was. Barrack or something? They were out of storage. Or outside or off off base? Off off base storage site. So they know what? You OK? OK. Yeah, OK. If you lived there, you knew you know the area. The people police knows what it is. Yeah. Yeah, because they knew exactly where to go. They knew what it was. I mean, they got an anonymous tip. Yeah, but they, but they have to know. They have to know that they're going to that that they have to know.

1:43:00 No, because no, Because what I'm saying is that that location was abandoned. I don't think the military would make it known that, Oh yeah, we gave this place for them to them, for them to hang out. Like as far as the police chief knows, that place is abandoned. So the only way they would know to go out there is because whoever gave whoever called in the tip said this is where they are. OK, I see what you're saying. You know, because I, I don't think, I mean, think about it, it's a Juke joint, Batman. Most Juke joints are illegal, right? They're illegal in secret. Yeah.

1:43:40 So you really think a black Juke joint is going to be knowledgeable like the the white police chief is going to know about it? No, because they're trying to keep that secret because they don't want them come and sniffing around. Yeah, but they still know who owns that area. Yeah, but if it's the military, you not gonna go fucking around on the military's property? Right. But he knows because it is military. It was military storage. You know what you're supposed to be governing versus what they supposed to be governing. Now, it's not directly on the base, but that's part of their land and part of where they put something. But what I'm saying is, why would he think that Hank Grogan would be that?

1:44:27 Hank Grogan is not part of the military so he would have no reason to even go there. Do you see what I'm saying? Hank is not part of the military. Hank is one of the black spot because of Charlotte. Yeah, I think once they searched the bearings and all the other wooded areas, at some point somebody would have figured it out. Yeah, they probably taking them searching all the other. They would think he ran over there and hiding in that area. And then I was. Wondering, had to call and tell. I was. Wondering like if Hank. Went to the the. The Hanlon's house or something where they've gone to the only black people in town's house because you got to be with the other black people, you know what I mean?

1:45:07 Like I wonder where else would they have searched so? But you would have to well evenly when they roll up in their cars and they see all the other cars there. Why man, at that point, yeah, at at that point. But what I'm saying is I don't think they would have had any reason to go there had they not been tipped off because one the place was as far as they thought it was amazing. Yeah, that is true. But I'm saying at that point when they rolled up and they saw the cars and heard the music. Yeah. They should realize, oh, there's some people here. They didn't care, they'd be like they they smuggling him. Right, they didn't.

1:45:49 Care and honestly, I don't know that they wouldn't have attacked even if they even if he wasn't there and they hey, he's not here because The thing is they got defensive that you know they're they're the guys standing there he's like who are you man? Turn off your lights. He started off kind of being like and so that already probably had them already out there like oh, he's waiting for a fight because we got our lights on, how we going to take them out Then like they probably was already getting hyped up because of how he kind of reacted to them being. There and they were already like hyped because they got this tip that oh, the kid, the kiddie killer is that oh, we about we about to go through some stuff. Well.

1:46:33 It's about to be some mess. And how many, just how many people you know, did we lose in the black community due to stuff like this? It's just to make sure so angry to just happy people. We still losing people this way, you know it's. But again, this is 1 of this will be because, again, we already know this violence is about to happen. This is going to be another one of those kind of, you know, teachable moments in fiction because a lot of people don't hear about this kind of stuff because governments and people, they are consistently trying to erase this type of thing from mystery books that stuff like this actually happened. But we already know what's about to happen. We already know.

1:47:22 So it's just like prepare ourselves to be pissed because we know it's about to be some damage. And I, I mean, I don't know, we still have what we still have two episodes. So if they do this in this episode, like is that going to be considered the augury? Is that going to be the event that puts Pennywise to sleep? Or is there something even bigger that's going to happen today? That's a good point, you know, because it's like, OK, you have maybe what I would say they probably have about 30 people in this joint, maybe 40, maybe more. That's a that's a pretty big crowd. That's a. Lot so this has. To be, this has to be the Audrey, this has to. Be has to be because if you have those many people you have what maybe 2025 white white men outside with the guns. So if there's some kind of battle, there's going to be some kind of firefight because again, these are military men that that are in this they.

1:48:22 Got. They got. Guns. They got guns, so there's going to be some kind of shootout. So either the carnage is going to be so big with this one and then we also don't know, like is this place on the outskirts of dairy or is it within dairy? Like we don't know, do we? I know so. But the kids got there. The kids got there on their bikes. So like didn't they get come on their bikes at one point or no? They did, they did. No, they did they when they got there. Richie and them came on their bikes right they? Brought their, they put their, they use their bikes. So is this event going to be big enough to be considered the Artery or is this just going to be the starting point?

1:49:09 And then whichever group, you know, I don't want to say win or loses because I have feeling it's going to be losses on both sides. Is, is there going to be like a, Oh well, you came after us, we're going to come after you and there's going to be a another even bigger thing 'cause you got 2 episodes, you can't give us the augury in one episode and then what you're going to do for the last episode. And then last episode was all calm and peaceful, and the way I heard it, the last episode was going to put us in a chokehold, so. That that's what I just, I heard that today too. Is it 8 episodes? It's 8 episodes but they also I I've also heard episode 7 is going to be a doozy.

1:49:50 Yeah, yeah. So I don't know, I just the y'all, y'all grown man, y'all, y'all do whatever y'all going to do, leave, leave my children out of it. I need you to, I need you to grab Ronnie, I need you to grab the the other three kids. I need y'all to get out. And I have to say, even though it feels so wrong that she is not there with them, I'm so glad Lily is not there. I mean, she don't need to be she didn't already like it's been so much like she didn't been through enough. Just stay home, honey, right, Just really that great in in a in a in a clutch. I mean, now she got the precious, but when it's over, she's not really great when fear is that, you know, in play. So she I don't think she would have been good for her to be there.

1:50:46 Anyway, so, so just be at the house, wait for your friends to come so you can comfort them and so you can tell Ronnie, I told you so let's go kill this this thing, but let's go fight right because. Apparently only us. There's only us that can do it. Apparently because grown folks are stupid. Right. And all the other, all the other kids are either too, too oblivious or I don't know, maybe I don't know, they just don't taste. Their fear doesn't taste as well. To to Pennywise, Yeah, I mean, yeah, because he's definitely getting kids who already have already have those weaknesses up with the fear.

1:51:32 But then on top of that, they're bringing in more kids. So he ain't even got to search anymore because like you said, Lily just bringing them in. Right. But the other thing too is again, we haven't seen what Richard scared of except for what was it that they said in the when they were getting going into the Juke joint. Will was talking about going to convince Ronnie. He said we'll just pray that it works. He said, I don't know, man. The last time I prayed my my dad TO came after us in the grave. You know, I don't know, maybe that's that's his fear. Whatever. But like we've seen everybody else's fear.

1:52:14 We haven't seen richest fear, but. Also, I feel like he has he has such a prey man. Yeah, that's what I was going to say. He's like that. He is the anchor of the group. I think because he's the one everybody else is saying crazy stuff. He's like, look, this is what we need to do. This is how we need to add, oh, this thing is trying to pull us apart. We can't do that right now. We need to be united. We need to be together. Why are y'all, why are y'all considering this? This is stupid. Like he's the one that's saying what everybody else is too scared to say. Yes. Because he because even though he he basically was like, yes, Lily, everybody thinks you're crazy. Like, get over it. It's just the truth.

1:52:54 You know, like everybody, he's like my Barber. Everybody thinks you're crazy. So OK, let's move on from. That right? Because he's like, we, we know the truth. That's all you need to worry about. Don't worry about what all this outside noise is doing. Don't worry about what everybody else is thinking. We know what we know. You don't dare stab your best friend in the eye. That's all. That's all you need to know. So but I'm worried about these next two episodes just cuz we are. Like I said, we already know there's about to be some carnage in Seven and then 8.

1:53:38 Some more carnage because I can't imagine how it's going to get better. Because you can't go from, you can't do what? I mean, you could, but it people will be mad. You can't have a big scene in the penultimate season episode and then the season finale is just kind of wrong. Yeah, I I just. Well. Come on now you know how things are written. You got to have a climax and a resolution. Like I said, and if they do a a boring resolution, people gonna be mad. People gonna be mad we. That's how I. Don't think it's going to be boring with these people, These Mark. What's Mark? I can pronounce his name. Mark Fetty. What was his last name? Him.

1:54:18 His wife. They're terrible people. That's all I have to say. The creators of this show, they're terrible people. Oh my goodness. Every time I see his name, I get PTSD on the screen. When I see his name, I'll just be like, oh, Andy Marks. Whatever, it's the sound editor. The sound editor was wrong for the clenching of the bone. Of the. Little girl just wrong and. And every, everywhere I go now on the Internet, I hear, I'm like, oh Lord, this song is everywhere. They're killing me. We have nightmares with that little girl singing in my head.

1:55:02 It's all their fault. Crunchy, crunchy Pickles and horribleness. But listen to the leader. She's like if I if I smile hard enough, everything is fine. Right. Yeah. Right now you must not be OK. You ain't OK, baby. You're not OK. I mean, have you seen the graphics that that that song accompanies? No, she ain't OK. She OK? You got somebody about to have a needle stuck in his eye. You got Pennywise hanging off a building gangster. Shooting it out. Right. And I think that's the I think that's the gangsters that they ended up burying in the the car. But and.

1:55:46 Then the factory fire. The factory fire and then you see the eyes in the sewer. So yeah, it's. They don't even have to change it for the next seasons at all. No, they really don't. They probably will though. Because if they get this and don't do nothing with it. Because Season 2 is going going back to 1935, right? So you think they're going to expand a little bit more on Kirsch's story? Oh yeah, for sure. Yeah, sure. We got a whole bunch of years when she was taking kids down to the basement. I'm excited actually to see it, how she does it.

1:56:27 As long as I don't have to hear Pennywise crunching and munching. Oh baby, that's going to be forever. You're going to be hearing that forever watching this. So so y'all don't think Netflix is going to going to shut all that stuff down Let. Me tell you something. Breath Netflix but not come in here messing things up. They they got this. They got all the Game of Thrones universe. It might. Not even be Netflix, because apparently Paramount went in with a hostile bid. Of 104 billion and. My first thought was like, Netflix ain't got that kind of money, Netflix ain't got that kind of. And I looked up at all, they took out a loan. Just like any other business, but. That's what I mean you that's 'cause even with with Paramount and when they were their initial offerings were like not cash offerings.

1:57:20 So I don't think anybody just had. No, they had to get everybody I get a loan. And they have, Yeah. And that's probably also why shows got cancelled. They're like, oh, we need to, we need to make pay this money. Collateral, but they make so much money, man. My Netflix bill in the last, I would say three years has tripled. Listen, they making any money? Somebody posted a meme they said Netflix offered they offered 87 billion for for this deal but they got mad because I had my Mama on my account. On my password, right? Right.

1:58:04 I remember ask. My father-in-law was using ours. They came out to us and like if you choose to keep him, he will be paying 799 a month. It's like, yeah, I remember, I remember. When we used. To. When we used to get the disc, you know, back, back in the day and like, oh, we can do streaming and you can switch to streaming for $7.99 a month. See, I think like Dean said, it's tripled. I think my Netflix bill right now is Winnie $5 yeah. Only because you probably got the HD. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, because I'm not.

1:58:44 I mean, if I'm most, if I'm going to pay the stream, I'm not going to watch. No crap. Not right. Exactly. Not getting dead. And so now it's that thing where you know how you know, you could have a channel that you have like for instance, I would only get stars for Outlander and then once out later was done, I didn't have stars anymore. But the way this is turning out, if it's going to be on Netflix, that's great because now I can just even though I get HBO for free with my Internet, but like, let's say I didn't get it for free, I wouldn't have to pay for it because it's going to be out of my Netflix. The problem is that there's they're going to raise that price about 34345 more times because they got to make up for what they doing right now.

1:59:25 And here's the thing, y'all better merge these streaming platforms because I'm not going to pay for Netflix and HBO Max. Look, can you talk about it? That's yeah. And then like, it's getting ridiculous. It won't. Then he owns. All of this and they own, you know, like, come on, it's just well at. Least at least Disney said it's going to move all the Hulu stuff to Disney Plus. Yeah. Yeah, but the other thing with the Netflix deal that people are talking about, physical media is going to end up going away. I'm about to start going to the pawn shops and the thrift stores and buying up stuff because if it gets to a point where everything streaming is streaming exclusive, we ain't going to have a show.

2:00:14 Adam's best friend literally just said that he going to get rid of everything and he going to do that digital, digital antenna and he going to watch DVDs because you can't The he's like, his main complaint is this don't have a license, that the license is over here now. It's a move from this platform to that platform. He should have it. Owns it, but right now it's being licensed for Netflix, so you got to, you know, like just, you know, come on man, what are y'all? Doing like if y'all were going to do all this shit I would have just stayed with cable. Right. Just stay with cable and be done with it. And now that don't even seem feasible because half the stuff you can get on cable, but some of the stuff is exclusive to streaming.

2:00:57 So it's like they they really are just looking for ways to get in our pocket. If if you want to see, I'm not going to go into it, but if you want to see what's really going to happen, look at what the NBA is doing and then that's going to really mess you up about what these streaming services is going to do. But that's also like why they cut so many shows and like we have nothing but sports and game shows on because they know no like scripted shows. It's sports and game shows. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. But what the NBA is doing with all the games on every platform, like you can't. Like I want to watch Golden State Warriors tonight, they're on Peacock. I don't have a Peacock subscription. And this night they're on ESPNI don't have a cable subscription. And this night they're on YouTube. It's like, what?

2:01:49 What are we doing, guys? What are we doing? Wow. Yeah. So don't get too attached to this show, ladies and gentlemen. That's the point. We're trying to. Make. That's the point. Don't, don't get, don't get the whole set. Don't get too attached. But they have a what they will, yeah, because I was going to say they they came out with what, a four year plan or a five year plan as far as what they were going to do with this show. Yeah, but you know how that goes. But cancel Alicia AKA Netflix don't know good shows. They can smack them in the face, cancel all the good shows and put all the trash shows on. Yeah, like I talked to some people at work and I'm like, oh, have y'all watched it? Is that oh, we're going to wait for all of them to come out to start watching it?

2:02:33 Netflix don't play that crap if people don't watch it and Benji in the first was in 15 to 30 day they cancel it and. Even if people are watching it and it's good, if it comes right they will cancel it. Shadow and bone. Excuse me, I'm sorry. I'm still I'm. Still salty about it, still mad about it, Yeah. I'm I'm still mad about that. Yeah, with that metry they use to, if people are not watching it in droves and binging it, they're not that that they're not going to keep it. That's just how they roll, because they dump all their shows at one time. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2:03:14 Unless it's something like Stranger Things, but they, because they know people are going to watch Stranger Things. So that's, that's not one of those shows that people are, Yeah, that's not one of those shows that people are going to be like, oh, I'm just going to weigh. And no Stranger Things. I mean literally I turn my TV on at 8:00 when Stranger Things dry the day before Thanksgiving and it took me 5 minutes to get on it because Netflix crashed because everybody named Mama was trying to watch it at the same. Time they figured out with they feed out with strange things, they can do it halfway. We just going to drop 4 episodes at once instead of all 8 or 9. It is going to parse it out, but we're still going to drop it all at once.

2:03:57 Because what they do is they get us the fans who are like hardcore die hard fans in and then we talk about it so much online and he were like, God dog it. I got to go watch dog on blah blah. And so then they want to jump in and watch in between time and then. So by the time they release the rest of it, everybody watching. Yeah, I got friends. I got friends right now who are starting Season 1, episode 1 of Strange. Yeah, yeah. They do. They do that with Bridgeton. We've been waiting for how long? And they. Oh. Whatever. Couple episodes here couple of times. Here, Really. Yeah, yeah, like we are. It's been over a year. It's going to be two years before the next season come out from Bridgerton.

2:04:43 Yeah, and you know the. Last season came out last summer. Yeah, and it was. Really, a specific seasons have costumes. Yeah, like they they used to have shows, 26 episodes a season, 7 time reruns. I miss network. TV days back to but now I mean 7. Episodes and we we we and money like we getting 26. Episodes ain't a lot. I got Michelle, I started Michelle watching Chicago Mid with me. We, I'm like, wait, what season are we on? Season 2. Season 3. Because it's taking a long time. We're talking to that with Sbis and we're just like. That's just like with the boys.

2:05:32 The boys is the boys is coming back in where we got our last April. They've been gone almost three years so. Yeah, and. These long. I think so, but but. You. Only I get. But I get I get that special effects. Yeah, but you? Only get fridge and pin is a dress. Right. Well, that's what I was going to say. That's the thing about because it's popular. And sick, right? Jenny and Georgia, they spin that out every other day. What's her name? And Paris, Emily and Paris. Every other week they got a new season to Emily and Paris. The only thing that stopped, stopped. What's the last?

2:06:15 The first one you just mentioned I can't think of. Oh. Jenny and Jordan. Jenny and Jordan, it's only because of the riders stripe. Yeah, and they're not going to do that again because the little boy went from 5th grade to look like he in high school. That little boy in what? And we had. To put we had to make him like fit back into like four months later. Yeah, put your Harry Potter glasses on, baby. Right. Yeah, but yeah, like slump over a little bit. You know, welcome to Derry. I was like, Jesus, that boy is big. Now he is big. And you can't, you can't do that. It's crazy. It's crazy. But like, but like, Dennis said, the point is audience don't get too attached. But you can't get attached to anything. Like I feel like anymore, like every time something to be good, it's like, oh, we're going to cancel it. Why?

2:07:04 Why we cancel it? You got good ratings. Yeah, but, you know, it's too much money. We're losing money. Or, you know, they'll just scrap a whole movie after they film a whole movie and decide they don't want to put it out their. Background or even an episode. I'm I'm still mad about that Game of Thrones spin off that got cancelled. They filmed, what, a $30 million pilot episode and nothing? And they had big names attached to that. So yeah, I'm still mad about that because was supposed to be in it. Indeed. Whatever their names was. So they thought that's why. Yeah, could be. But OK, look, we have, we have been in the weeds long enough.

2:07:46 Y'all got anything final to say about this episode before we get like completely devastated with whatever's about to happen in these next two episodes? Real is the only one marked as safe. Yeah, Will and Lee. Roy and his Yeah, I must say. And Dick, those three. Yeah, that's it. They're the only ones. And look and penny wise we know, he said he mark say. And curse. Yeah, she say. Well I just safe as a relationship with her.

2:08:26 I mean, in the movie is, yeah, that was pretty wise. Pretend to be her. So that don't necessarily we don't know. She still lived to be a little bit older. At least for him to be able to mark be her as an older woman, she had to live a little bit longer, right? That's. True. Maybe he just put he just acted like she would have in the old woman body. We don't know. She ain't really Mark safe either. Yeah. OK, so I guess we will see with episodes 7:00 and 8:00, but for now, that is it for our show. You can find us online at www.phantomhybrid.com. We are on social media on all the social media at Phantom Hybrid.

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