Marvel's Thunderbolts* - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #357

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What's up, hybrids?
Welcome back to another episode

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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast.
This is Hanukkah and I am here

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with Anthony, Michelle and Casey
and we are discussing Marvel's

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Thunderbolts.
Yes.

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The New Avengers.
Y'all not supposed to say that

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until the end of the show 'cause
that's when the reveal came.

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Y'all are wrong.
No, I well, no, I mean, it's on

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posters now.
Yeah, it's on posters reveal

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before I even went to the movie,
so.

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I noticed that because I think I
went to go see it again.

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No, actually I think I did go
see it a third time.

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I went to go see it again and I
was like, wait, they already

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changed it in the movie
theaters.

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I was like, oh, OK, he's gonna
get spoiled.

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'Cause you know, no, I got
spoiled because I saw a, a, a, a

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promo and I, you know, of course
it was staying on Facebook, but

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it popped up.
Sebastian Stan walking to a bus

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stop or something, changing the
poster.

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Yeah, yeah.
That's how I that's how I found

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out that they were pushing
forward with the new marketing

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campaign and I was like, it
hasn't even been a week.

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Nope it hasn't and y'all are
already doing this though.

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Well, it really should be New
Avengers with the Z.

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Ain't nobody paying attention to
Alexa, okay?

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Nobody's paying.
They couldn't.

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Get the copyright so yeah, so.
Are they the new Avengers?

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You know what, we will talk
about it when we get to that

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part of the show.
We don't start from the

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beginning.
First thing I want to say is if

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anybody has been listening to
Anthony and I cover The Wheel of

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Time and Last of Us, we
mentioned that Mike has been

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absent on the podcast for a few
weeks because he had surgery.

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He is still recovering from
surgery which is why he is not

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on this show because y'all know
Mike would have had something to

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say about this Taskmaster
bullshit at the beginning of.

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That he would have called the
bullshit he would have called

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injustice.
But you know what?

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I kind of feel that way too.
But Michelle was saying before

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we started recording that they
kind of did her wrong.

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And I I do feel.
Like it's some it's some BS

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though, because I'm we you you
you gave we you gave task

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massacre at the end of Black
Widow for like 10 seconds.

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So in the posters, even looking
at a movie poster now she's all

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in the movie poster.
He was in the movie, she not in

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the movie.
No, she's on the.

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Wheaties, she's on.
The original Wheaties box, she's

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in all of the marketing for the
movie, so you know.

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Even in some of the teasers they
had her digitally put in scenes

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where she is not.
So where she is not?

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So at first I thought when she
died, I thought, oh, she going

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to come back and laugh, Me too.
And then I kept thinking she

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about to pop up and pop up and
then the whole room was aflame.

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And then I realized that's it,
she's done.

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She's BBQ.
Yeah, I, I thought that was, I

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mean, I guess it was, I, I mean,
I don't even know.

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I don't know if they did it
because of all of the, you know,

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the fan opinion when Black Widow
came out 'cause I don't think

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too many, too many people cared
for the character, especially

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those people who were comic book
people, because Mike was one of

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those.
Mike was like, I mean, y'all,

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y'all see his reaction every
time we do anything and mention

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Taskmaster, his whole face
changes.

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So I, I wonder if they did it
because of the fan reaction or

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if it was just, OK, well, we
need to give her a proper

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goodbye, which I still don't
think this was that because it's

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I, I guess my problem with it is
at the end of Black Widow, like

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you gave us this whole back
story of her, we find out that

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she is the little girl that
Natasha apparently killed and

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that, you know, she grew up, her
father was controlling her,

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making her kill all these
people.

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And she thought she was finally
free at the end of Black Widow.

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So you thinking, OK, she's going
to be able to, I don't know,

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maybe have a new lease on life,
whatever, whatever.

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Then when we come into this
movie, she's one of these

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assassins working for Valentina
of all fucking people.

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But I'm just like, OK, so she
apparently didn't get out of

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that light.
She was still doing what she was

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doing here.
You have all these people that

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have been sent to kill each
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They're all fighting whatever,
whatever, OK, This is how

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they're going to do the team up.
Then she gets shot and I'm like,

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she can heal herself, right?
And I was kind of like Michelle

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I was.
Waiting and a pop up.

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And waiting and, and even
throughout the movie, even after

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the room burnt down, I was like,
she's still going to show up

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because, you know, her whole
thing is she can mimic other

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people's fighting styles.
I was like, OK, maybe they gave

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her, I don't know.
I was thinking something.

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But I, I just, I was not
expecting her to go out that

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quickly and in that way, I just
felt like, wow, what a waste of

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the character.
I think maybe couple of things.

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I think maybe they thought that
you you already have duplicate

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like triplicate characters with
the same powers between Guardian

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Winter.
So Dren and John Walker you

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already got triple of that.
Then you put her in there with

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John Walker and Yelena
duplicate, so it's almost like

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she didn't really have a place
on the team.

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But the purpose that she
actually serves is a sort of a

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glimpse into what Elena's future
could be like.

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She could see her life could end
just like that or bleed to the

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head from the apparent reason.
So maybe that that because she

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talks about it later.
Ulena brings it up kind of

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briefly, but she does talk about
it later and I think the.

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One thing that they actually
mentioned Taskmaster.

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And the one thing she actually,
because I think they could have

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done a little bit more with that
for Ulena, but she already had a

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lot on her already.
A lot.

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We still didn't need Taskmaster.
We didn't.

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We still didn't need her.
No, but I think it's probably

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more leaning towards what I want
to go say.

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I think they just wanted to
correct that problem and just.

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Just kill her and then get a new
one later, OK and.

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Then I I guess a.
Lot of people like she was the

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only character that of the
Thunderbolts that wasn't

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confirmed to be in Avengers
Doomsday.

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Well, we should have known then.
So she was the only one.

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Oh yeah, you know what?
Is that Anthony?

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Is that how she died in the
comics?

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She, I don't think is dead.
Yeah, yeah, they they completely

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upon that, that character, yeah.
That that character is, is not

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even the reflection.
They came to the corner.

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Let Mike tell it.
Shout out Mike.

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We look, I'm, I'm, I think what
we're going to do is once Mike

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comes back, we're going to have
to just do a A1 off and just let

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Mike tell his story till he tell
how he feels about it.

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And then I'll probably just go
back and add it to this later on

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'cause I have to know how he
reacts to it when he sees it,

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'cause I don't think he's even
had a chance to go see it yet.

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So, but yeah, I, I just feel
like on the one hand, they just

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needed to get rid of her
character, but it's like, if

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that's all you were going to do,
you could have just left her out

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of the movie because her her
presence and her death really

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served no purpose except for
with her death.

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I think that was when they all
started realizing like talking

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to each other.
Oh, well, she was my target.

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Oh, you were my target.
Oh, that.

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I think that's when they started
realizing that they were duped.

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And then like you said, Yelena
mentions it later on in the

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later on in the film.
She was like, yeah, that could

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be us.
That could be any one of us.

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That probably will be any one of
us.

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And I think that was kind of the
the start of them trying to

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think like, OK, you know, what
is this really what I want to

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do?
Which we already saw that Yelena

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was having that issue even from
the beginning of the movie.

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She was just kind of like, oh,
Hon, this is my life.

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I go, I get assignments, I kill
people, I go home.

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And I'm.
She was just, you could tell she

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was so bored, so bored with her
existence.

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And she probably was looking at
that as a way out.

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Like she told Val she was like,
OK, I'm gonna do this one thing.

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And then I want something that's
more public facing.

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I don't want to keep doing this
anymore.

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But she should have known that
wasn't going to work with Val,

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right?
People in her, people with her

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position, people with her
skills.

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They don't get the easy out,
They don't get this.

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They don't really get to say,
OK, you know what, I think I'm

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done.
I mean, 'cause even even when

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Natasha did it, she had issues,
you know, But she had SHIELD

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there to back her up.
But she had Fury there and Clint

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there to back her up.
You, Lena did doesn't really

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have anybody like that.
So Speaking of which, while

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we're talking about who is in
the movie and who is not, I do

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wanna ask y'all's opinion.
The movie focuses a lot on

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Yelena and then also with her
her relationship with Lexie.

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Was it just me or was anybody
else wondering where the hell

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Molina was in all of this?
The mom I I'm guessing from

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y'all.
I was thinking of Rachel Weisz.

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Right.
And that for me.

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I thought, where's Mom?
Oh my gosh, I forgot what

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happened to Black Widow.
She must have died.

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Oh, I need to go watch that
movie again.

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That's what I thought.
Let me.

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She's still alive.
Oh, and I don't know where.

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She at so she's still alive.
What happened at the end of

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Black Widow was of course, you
know, they brought the Red Room

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down.
Natasha basically kind of

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made-up with Elena, just kind of
they, they kind of, I guess, you

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know, let bygones be bygones.
And Molina and Alexi took all of

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the Red Room girls plus
Taskmaster.

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And they were going to, they
were going to take them and try

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to help them acclimate to a new
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So I was OK with that because
they didn't grow up with them.

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You know, it's like after
everything that happened at the

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beginning of the movie when they
were kids, they were kind of

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distant.
And we know Molina went to work

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back, I think her name is Molina
went back to work for the Red

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Room and all this other stuff.
So it's kind of, I didn't quite

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expect her to make an appearance
because she was always, she was

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already kind of distant with the
girls.

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But.
She was more, I think the girls

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were more attached to her than
they were to Alexa, Especially

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we, you know, in Black Widow,
when we saw them kind of every

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time they were with Alexa, it
was kind of like, Oh my God,

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like, stop talking to me.
Oh, you're gross.

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This sort of thing.
So for them to bring in and kind

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of focus on the relationship
with Elena and Red Guardian, I

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thought it was interesting
because that does carry over

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from Black Widow and Elena was
like, stop, you guys keep saying

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that this was not a real family,
but this was the only family I

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knew.
So it's carrying that over.

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But I just thought it was very
interesting that Mama Molina was

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was not there.
Yeah, I just assumed she was.

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She was with all the other
girls, still helping them.

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Because Alexi wants to be a
hero.

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So of course he's out on that
path.

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He he came to America so he
could try to be a hero.

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Yeah.
That's not what Melina's about.

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I know I don't know.
That's a good question.

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But then it also makes you
wonder, because.

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They didn't even say anything.
Yeah, Taskmaster with her at the

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end.
And.

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And like you said, Michelle, the
thing that threw me off is not

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necessarily that she wasn't even
in the movie.

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They didn't mention her at all.
Right.

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That's why I just assumed she
was dating.

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Yeah, well, Elena was having the
conversation with him and you

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know, she talks about him and
about Natasha.

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You know, they don't, they don't
ever mention her by name.

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They just always say your
sister, your sister.

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That was also very weird 'cause
I'm like y'all y'all forgot her

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name but but.
This this is a, this is a

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curious question, but it seems
like it may be more or less the

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writers and Marvel is just
trying to distance itself away

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from the Black Widow movie.
So you get rid of Taskmask, you

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don't mention Molina, and you
just move on.

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I think there, there was no room
in the movie for it and it would

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serve no purpose.
You just put it to bed.

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It's like you did Taskmaster.
Why even bother you?

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You got what you got out of that
movie.

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You got Elena, you got Elena and
you got the Red Guardian and

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that's it.
I mean, it's, it's an

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interesting thought, you know,
thought experiment.

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Why didn't he talk about Melena?
What is what is this?

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Whatever.
Yeah.

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If you think of.
The writers, like we're, we're

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not even concerned about that.
That's not even anything we got

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to worry about.
But if you really.

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Think about it.
Elena's story, right?

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That's well.
You think about it at the time,

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hold.
On Hold on, she.

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Wouldn't.
Mention it, it's it isn't really

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for the purposes of this movie,
only Alexi and and Natasha and

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growing up together.
That's what's important for her

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for this purposes of this movie,
because she didn't have that

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same relationship she had with
Melinda that she has with Alexi.

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Right.
And Alexi wanted them to be.

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A family.
More family.

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So then she was like, why?
Didn't you?

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It was still a.
Job, right?

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Why didn't you come and check on
me so clearly she wouldn't even

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mention her mom?
Because it was more of a father

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daughter type conversation.
Yeah.

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And then if it OK, if when you
put it in that perspective, I

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think Natasha was closer to
Molina as well because she was

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older.
And also Natasha when they were

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living as the fake family,
family.

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Natasha, even at that young age,
she knew that it was fake.

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She knew what they were there to
do.

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And Yelena didn't because she
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So yeah, OK, OK.
I just that just kind of threw

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me for a little bit because I
was like, OK, so we're talking

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about Elena, we're talking about
her emotional baggage, her

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emotional trauma.
And you would think that Molina

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would fit somewhere in that.
But yeah, OK, I get it.

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All right, so where do we want
to start with this movie as far

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as like digging Andy?
Because this movie, when I say

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as much as we talk about the
Marvel films and how these

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characters never have a chance
to deal with their trauma, they

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never have a chance to deal with
this chaos.

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Good grief.
They were like, oh, y'all want

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us to deal with trauma and
chaos?

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Here you go.
Here we go. 2 1/2 hours of wow.

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I mean, it was.
It was.

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Great.
It was a great film.

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It was so.
Much to unpack.

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I want to say this one thing and
watching it even from the Marvel

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beginning and to the end, I
enjoyed this movie, but it was

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bittersweet because what
happened to these riders?

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Where were they for Captain
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Brave New World?
They did him wrong.

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OK, that's all I got to say from
watching this.

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No, no, no.
I want you to elaborate on that

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because I think Anthony and I
were texting the night that you

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guys went to see it and he told
me that you said that.

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And I was like, yeah, I kind of,
I kind of feel around there.

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Yeah, because I want you to a
Thunderbolt.

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Thunderbolt has the feeling of,
I would say old Marvel, what

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we've been missing.
So I'm have I have some issues

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that when we have the one time
where we have the transition to

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a new Captain America, which it
should have it, it wasn't done

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justice because after I see
Thunderbolts, I'm like, where's

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the same energy?
It's not the same energy.

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Even though Captain America
braiding the world had to have

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rewrites, it is not the same
energy.

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So I feel like the energy put
into that movie is not the same

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energy put into dump the bolts.
You really wanted Thunderbolts

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to succeed because you wanted to
go off and do these other

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things.
Instead, you just made you a

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hoax three movie.
So I'm a little I'm a little

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pissed off on that aspect.
Yeah.

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And it's when we see Fantastic
Four later, we'll be like, wow,

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Fantastic Four.
So then we then have Brave New

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World that just needs to be
shoved under the rug like Black

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Widow.
OK, and all the other ones, Ant

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Man, Quantum.
We, we can keep naming some of

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them.
The externals, internals, I

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don't care anymore.
Externals, internals, the

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internals, whatever they are, we
don't even talk about those

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people anymore.
I don't even know where they are

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on the planet.
Do they even?

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Do they even matter anymore?
No, they don't.

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OK.
I don't know I everything y'all

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is saying is right, but for me,
I think someone at Marvel, when

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they came with the Thunderbolts,
I'm pretty sure Kevin Feige was

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like, you know, this sounds
interesting, but I don't feel

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like I don't feel like their
expectations of it was that

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high.
Like, I think the writers must

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have had a little bit more
freedom and there wasn't as much

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control.
Like Captain America is a very

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important icon, a very important
property.

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So of course you're going to
want to control it a little bit

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more and make sure it's perfect
and get it just right.

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The hell with Sam and his
journey.

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We want it to be a great action
movie.

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We could have a Hulk in it.
It's going to be great.

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Thunderbolts.
A bunch of B&C characters that

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nobody really cares about, which
was what I was worried about in

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the beginning.
I remember.

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Want to go see this movie
because of these characters.

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However, upon close examination
you realize that they in in a

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few messes up that inadvertently
they inadvertently did the same

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thing they did with The
Avengers.

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And I don't think I think they
realized it at the last second.

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Because you have all these
characters who were in their own

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stand alone movies and you put
them in the movie together to

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battle a major threat.
It was the same formula.

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It's just that I don't think
they were thinking about it even

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when they realized, oh snap, we
have Black Widow with two

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characters.
Then we have, you know, Ant Man

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2 with ghosts.
If you got Falcon Winter Soldier

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with John, we have the makings
of characters that like Iron

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Man, Thor, you know, they're all
over the place.

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And then we bring them together
in this one movie.

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It worked.
And, and I think, yeah,

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inadvertently they did the same
thing without realizing they

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were doing the same thing.
So what I hear you saying is the

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A students was working on
Captain America, Brave New

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World, and they had all these
expectations and they drove

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themselves crazy and it didn't
come out good.

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And then you gave the other
movie to the C students and we

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got a good movie here.
Yeah, that's that's pretty much

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what happened.
Because no one cared.

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They didn't go to their corner
of the studio.

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It was like, just give us, just
give us something decent, OK?

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No pressure because we know it's
not going to do well.

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Just give us something decent.
And they gave us some good stuff

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here.
Yeah, I need to hire them.

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And they leaned all, OK, this is
going to go back to something

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that we have talked about before
with Marvel leaning into the

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mental health aspect of these
characters.

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You know, even going back to
Iron Man 2 with his Iron Man

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Three with his PTSD and the
issues that Tony was having.

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And then going in the one
division and her dealing with

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grief.
In fact, when the soldier, you

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had Becky dealing with the
trauma and the experience of

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being brainwashed and trying to
deprogram himself.

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So you have this history and
it's almost like they said,

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let's just lean all the way into
it and we'll have Elena as our

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centerpiece.
And I'm actually starting like

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her character more than I like
Natasha's character.

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She seems to have more depth to
her than Natasha does.

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I'm going.
To agree with you on that one.

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She she has more death.
But they didn't give Natasha

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that.
No, they didn't.

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Yeah, they.
They did her wrong because they

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didn't get.
It's almost like the same

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little.
Side piece.

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Right, right.
She was eye candy at 1st and by

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the time they gave her a movie
they screwed that up too right?

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So now they they're trying to
fix it now, yeah.

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Yeah, And you know, going back
to what I brought up earlier as

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far as them not referencing
certain things, OK, I do

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remember an interview that I've
seen recently.

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I can't remember where it was,
but I think what I, what I read

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was that Marvel has realized
that, OK, you know, this whole

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thing with the multiverse and
the films and the TV shows and

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making everything tie in
together, OK, maybe we

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overreached a little bit because
people are starting to get

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fatigued by that.
So I think one of the goals for

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this movie was, OK, one, bring
it back to basics.

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And then two, give a a
performance or get a performance

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in a movie that while it does
reference certain things, it

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doesn't have to lean heavily on
those in order for this movie to

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make sense.
It's kind of like you said,

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Anthony, and we've had this
conversation before.

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A lot of people who are watching
the movies are not necessarily

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going to watch the TV shows and
vice versa.

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And for most people, if you
haven't watched the TV shows,

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you wouldn't know who John
Walker is.

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And I think he's the only one.
Well, yeah, no, he's the only

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one.
That.

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TV show only as far as the
Marvel properties, because even

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Valentina, we saw her at the end
of Black Widow, she was in

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Wakanda Forever, which I
completely forgot about, but

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yeah, 'cause she used to be
married to Ross.

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So I, I think if that's the way
they they're going to start

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going with these films, like
with some of the films, like we

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realize all of this is, you
know, especially towards the

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end, you see the Fantastic Four.
We know these characters are

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going to be in Avengers
Doomsday.

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So we know that it is going to
eventually tie in.

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But for right now, they were
like, OK, this is the story we

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want to tell.
It doesn't necessarily have to

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deal with outside influences.
It doesn't have to deal with any

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of the other Avengers or any of
the other storylines.

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Yeah, we can reference this
person, which I think is why

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they probably never said Natasha
by name.

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But yeah, we can reference it.
But we don't want that to be the

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focus.
Let's focus on these characters.

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And I think it worked really
well because you do have a movie

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where you do it, even if you
don't really know these

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characters towards the
beginning.

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Because let's be honest, most
people are only going to know

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Bucky.
You know all of the like movie

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Die hard people, they're going
to know Bucky Ghost like she was

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in the movie.
But I don't even remember Ant

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Man 2.
I hate to say it, but I really

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don't.
I don't remember her storyline.

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So I was just kind of like, OK,
but the way that they played

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these characters and the way
they kind of moved the

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storylines, like by the end, you
do kind of sort of care about

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these characters except for John
Walker.

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But that's just me.
But, you know, I, I think they

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did a really good job with it.
Well, I think you should a

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little bit care about John
Walker.

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I'm going to push back on that.
No.

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You have to little bit care
because in just just a little

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side note, he did serve his
country.

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He was a hero.
He he was a hero.

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But again, we talked about this
in Captain America, the First

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Avenger, when the doc was
talking about when you give the

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medicine to someone, OK, they
didn't know how it was going to

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react.
Some of the things that he

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probably need to go to therapy
for and deal with was just deep

447
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:33,360
down inside.
Well, no.

448
00:26:33,360 --> 00:26:35,520
But see, that's the thing.
They didn't give.

449
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:37,640
They didn't give John Walker the
serum.

450
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,160
John Walker took the serum on
his own.

451
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,320
They didn't give it to him.
To get the serum from Remember

452
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,080
they.
They were fighting and they

453
00:26:46,120 --> 00:26:48,160
were, they were trying to
destroy all.

454
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,680
Zima was trying to destroy all
of the Super soldier serum and

455
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:55,840
John Walker came across one of
the vials and he took it.

456
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,680
OK, because he wanted to be a
strong Captain America again, he

457
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:04,200
had some issues that he needed
to have been dealt with and the

458
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:08,040
serum just amplify some of those
issues he had.

459
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,240
And then he thought he was going
to be a good Captain America to,

460
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,680
you know, first of.
All he wasn't.

461
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,840
He wasn't necessarily.
He was.

462
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:19,720
He was.
Qualified he was.

463
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:23,440
He was put up as a war hero, but
the man was doing Black Ops

464
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,960
stuff, so all the stuff he was
doing wasn't necessarily good

465
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,200
things.
I didn't say that even even it

466
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,200
was like, well, there was, I
think they alluded to some stuff

467
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:38,640
that he may have done, but.
Also, he and Lamar.

468
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:41,760
Yeah, but, but, but.
OK.

469
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,600
So This is why I don't like John
Walker, OK?

470
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:49,120
Because even before Lamar's
death, and we're talking, you

471
00:27:49,120 --> 00:27:51,720
know, Falcon.
I can't even get her.

472
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:53,720
We're talking Falcon in The
Winter Soldier.

473
00:27:54,120 --> 00:27:57,200
When he and Lamar were having
the conversation about the Super

474
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,600
soldier serum, they literally
was talking about, well, would

475
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,120
you take the serum?
Would you take the serum?

476
00:28:01,120 --> 00:28:03,880
Well, they only enhances, you
know, the parts that you blah,

477
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:05,040
blah, blah.
They had this whole

478
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,560
conversation.
John Walker, at the point that

479
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:12,360
he took the Super soldier serum,
he knew he wasn't a good person.

480
00:28:12,360 --> 00:28:16,320
He had already killed that, and
that will innocent is a relative

481
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,360
term, but he had already killed
that flag smash.

482
00:28:18,360 --> 00:28:21,920
Sound like him with that.
Well, I mean he.

483
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:24,880
Said the same thing.
Yeah, he was.

484
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,240
He wasn't innocent.
But I will say this too, the

485
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,680
rest of the Flag Smashers
weren't as radicalized as Carly

486
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:33,720
was in that show.
They weren't.

487
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,680
They weren't down with her doing
the killing and the bombing and

488
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:38,160
stuff.
They were like, yo, this is not

489
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,840
what we were supposed to do.
So that's a whole other

490
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,560
conversation.
It is already killed this flag

491
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,440
Smasher.
He already knew he was dealing

492
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:50,240
with dark thoughts.
He already knew that he

493
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:55,400
shouldn't take the serum.
He wanted to take the serum

494
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:59,680
because, and this is the part of
John Walker that I really don't

495
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:00,920
like and This is why I don't
like him.

496
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,560
He is a full out narcissist and
he knows he's a narcissist.

497
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:11,240
For someone like that to take
the serum and then have it

498
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,600
amplify all those things about
you like you already knew you

499
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:19,400
were asshole Sam and Bucky told
that to you plenty of times

500
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:23,600
before you took the serum.
So now you taking the serum,

501
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:27,560
that has amplified and we see it
all throughout this movie.

502
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,240
His arrogance, his narcissism,
his he's.

503
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:35,560
He's an asshole because he's
still dealing with the trauma

504
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,880
and it didn't help the situation
where he thought he was going to

505
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:43,000
actually be the next Captain
America, but he did something on

506
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:48,960
camera that was shady and then
he got fired.

507
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:49,920
He.
Wouldn't say that.

508
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:51,720
He killed.
Someone.

509
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,680
He murdered.
He murdered someone in cold.

510
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:56,680
Blood.
OK, I'm going to say this again.

511
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,920
They have done some all.
Everybody has done some things.

512
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:01,600
I didn't say what he did was
right.

513
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:05,400
I'm just saying since he got
caught on camera, he got fired.

514
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:09,040
Because if he did that behind
closed doors, he wouldn't have

515
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,080
been fired.
But speak true about that.

516
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,080
So now he's dealing with losing
a job, OK?

517
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,400
He has no job.
He has a family to take care of

518
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,360
and everything you see is
negative.

519
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,920
All the stuff that Hanukkah was
saying is out for the world to

520
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,720
see.
That's a lot for anybody to keep

521
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,200
taking over and over and over
again.

522
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,680
So and now he's trying to act
strong when he has lost

523
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:33,760
everything.
He's lost everything.

524
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:35,600
He is not ever going to get back
with his wife.

525
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,280
He's pretty much probably not
going to have a relationship

526
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:42,120
with his child because she's the
type that looks to me like, no,

527
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,840
you're crazy.
You, you don't have supervised

528
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:46,680
business.
OK.

529
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:51,120
So that's a lot.
But he is still, there's still a

530
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:56,400
part of him and you can see just
a part of him that wants to do

531
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,760
good and wants to be good
because there's many times where

532
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:03,000
he could have just walked away.
That's all I'm saying.

533
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:07,600
When he was at the beginning and
they were talking about what

534
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,400
they should do, and his whole
thing was, well, if they're not

535
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,400
this and if they're not that,
then we'll just kill him.

536
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,480
And Bob starts laughing.
He's like, what's so funny?

537
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:19,240
He was like, and you were, and
you were the Captain America.

538
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,240
That's exactly what I'm talking
about.

539
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,600
Like the way that you go?
Disagreeing with you?

540
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:28,600
I am not disagreeing with you,
but it's all coming about people

541
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:33,160
needing help at different times
of his life 'cause he's probably

542
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,040
like that as a teenager when he
playing football, the

543
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:40,400
aggression, all of that.
I still have some feelings for

544
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,880
him because he has a lot like he
literally.

545
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:45,640
So just about.
Killing.

546
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,760
People.
On that team, but the I know

547
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:51,480
that they all do.
The only person I really don't

548
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:56,400
get is Ghost.
What's her name?

549
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,000
OK, Ava.
So ghost, Ava, all right,

550
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:00,800
except.
She's constantly dying and

551
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,160
that's what she needs.
Her So we're going to skip ahead

552
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,040
a little bit.
Yeah, come on, get that,

553
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:09,320
Anthony, you took notes so.
The right, so the writers they

554
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:17,240
called, so Bob or the void, when
he started spreading the void,

555
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,520
people were drug into the void
or placing the void where they

556
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:26,920
got to relive their most guilty
experience over and over again.

557
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:31,960
So there were some that were cut
and they call them shame rooms.

558
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:39,120
And Ava's shame room was going
to be her second orphanage where

559
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:43,480
she an orphanage.
Yeah, she's an orphanage where

560
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:47,840
she was all but invisible and
she was going to relive the

561
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,200
experience over and over and
over again.

562
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,600
OK, so that was Ava's shamer,
so.

563
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:54,840
And that's her trauma.
Right.

564
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,840
That was her trauma and this
trauma of her always being

565
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:02,480
overlooked and not being seen.
And now it actually literally is

566
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,480
happening.
It's manifesting something real,

567
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:07,440
which is something that she
struggles with.

568
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:10,640
OK.
So I got it.

569
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:12,160
There you go that that was
Ava's.

570
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,720
I have others who the best thing
is they can back.

571
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:16,840
To John Walker, everybody you
got.

572
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,040
No notes to help me.
Well, no.

573
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:24,360
Well, John Walker's we saw his
shame room the after what

574
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,920
happened to him and losing his
position as Captain America or

575
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:32,800
whatever, he went into self
destruction spiral and the self

576
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:34,680
destructions went toward his
family apart.

577
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:39,160
That's why his wife left him,
because he because he was being

578
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:43,560
an asshole, right?
And I think he's doing what he's

579
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:47,360
doing because I think on some
level he feels that if he can

580
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:52,640
prove his worth, if he can show
the world that he is a hero,

581
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:56,560
then maybe she'll come back Like
it was all worth it for him to

582
00:33:56,560 --> 00:34:00,000
do everything that he has done.
And I don't think he understand

583
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:04,120
that that's not how that works.
He's he's not, he's not doing

584
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:08,920
the he's not, he's not
understanding that his issues is

585
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:13,480
why she left, not that he wasn't
a good enough hero or that he

586
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:18,239
failed as a hero.
They at the problem that I have

587
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:22,719
with John Walker and going going
to what you're saying about his

588
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:26,360
wife, I don't think she left him
because of his issues, because

589
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,880
he had the issues even in
Captain Falcon in The Winter

590
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:33,040
Soldier.
That's not who she fell in love

591
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,880
with.
She cared about him as a person

592
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:41,239
but he was being an ass and this
has nothing.

593
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:46,679
To the the writers, the writers
said that self destruction, it's

594
00:34:46,679 --> 00:34:48,760
self destruction went toward his
family applied.

595
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:53,920
Because again, I'm going to say
this, yes, he didn't do good

596
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,000
things.
We all can say we haven't done

597
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:57,960
great things.
He didn't do good things.

598
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:02,120
Yes, he killed someone.
However, when you are put in

599
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:07,480
that, in that spotlight where
all of the mistakes you have

600
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:11,040
made is replayed over and over
again and no one can see

601
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:16,640
anything that you have ever done
good and he's reliving it over

602
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:18,960
and over again.
He is being self-destructive.

603
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,680
He, he, he's putting up walls.
He's acting like an ass.

604
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:24,440
He's going to act like an ass.
But the.

605
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:25,480
Problem.
Is all.

606
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:29,120
This stuff that he did.
It's like you can't.

607
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,400
It's different.
When I make a mistake, you find

608
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,360
out, Hunter Cole, I ask for your
forgiveness.

609
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,320
I act like AI act like a ass
but.

610
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:39,320
Oh, wait.
The world.

611
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,920
That's the world.
But see, that's the problem,

612
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,280
because the whole issue with
John Walker, and let's talk

613
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,000
about all the thunderbolts, all
the thumb Thunderbolts are

614
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,200
killers.
They're contract killers.

615
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:50,760
They've done bad things.
Whatever.

616
00:35:51,240 --> 00:35:56,320
John Walker is the only one out
of that group who does not take

617
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:59,000
responsibility for the things
that he's done.

618
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:04,600
It's always someone else's fault
and he's always trying to make

619
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:08,880
himself look better than he
actually is and make other

620
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:12,560
people look small, and that's
the problem that I have, because

621
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,280
he has.
Issues and those issues have

622
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:19,400
been no, but there's different,
but there's different issues.

623
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:23,160
And if everyone has issues that
he has the issue too, we got to

624
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:27,080
say that he has the issue.
He needs help and that help can

625
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:28,960
change him.
But I'm telling you the reason

626
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,880
why that he is just self
sabotaging.

627
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:35,920
I'm surprised he is not a drug
addict or complete alcoholic at

628
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:40,960
this point that he's still
walking around sober.

629
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:44,880
I'm like completely shocked.
Like completely shocked.

630
00:36:45,240 --> 00:36:47,640
There's some things that I don't
know if they written down, just

631
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:51,800
like Ava, that there's some
things that drove the person he

632
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:55,800
is as a kid and we will need to
see where that started from.

633
00:36:56,560 --> 00:37:00,160
I, I understand what Hanukkah
was saying because I, I do

634
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:04,760
believe he is an asshole, right?
Like he has those that

635
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,280
personality.
It's just that it was never

636
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:12,600
anything that hindered his
success because you can be in

637
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,640
the military and be an asshole
and it can get you pretty far

638
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:20,000
right?
It's just that after everything

639
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:25,680
was taken away from him and he
was stuck with reliving, like

640
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:32,760
you say, reliving that that bad
thing over and over and over and

641
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:36,160
over again, it wasn't working
for him to be an asshole

642
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,280
anymore, right?
He probably wasn't an asshole to

643
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,120
his wife.
He may have been a little bit,

644
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:45,920
you know, I'm talking about
before all this stuff happened,

645
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:50,520
but after, right?
But afterwards, when he's

646
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:54,840
sitting there, sitting in his
trauma, sitting in all this

647
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:58,760
stuff that happened to him and
he had no way to deal with it or

648
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:02,520
try to cope with it, and there's
no one around to help him deal

649
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,080
with it or cope with it, he
becomes self-destructive,

650
00:38:05,240 --> 00:38:07,280
Destructive.
You're right, he should become

651
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:08,600
an addict.
We don't know.

652
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:10,800
He couldn't have been an
alcoholic because I think he was

653
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,720
sitting there drinking when he
was reading all the articles

654
00:38:13,720 --> 00:38:15,440
about him.
You know people being extreme

655
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:19,800
assholes is just a cover up for
them, never have to feel

656
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:23,040
anything.
Not all the not all the time.

657
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:26,040
Sometimes people are assholes
just because they're assholes.

658
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:28,760
Correct, but I'm just saying we
don't go with that since all

659
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,440
these people have issues.
Even in the faculty when a

660
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:35,280
soldier, he was being an asshole
to him and it was fine because

661
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,280
he was just like oh God,
whatever and move on.

662
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,640
But he was asshole.
Also, he went to soldiers for a

663
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:40,440
reason.
Right.

664
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:44,480
But also, once he got to the
serum and he magnified and

665
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:48,240
amplified those parts of his
personality, people around him

666
00:38:48,240 --> 00:38:50,640
are not going to be able to deal
with it constantly.

667
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,720
Yeah, I agree to.
That and and to that magnitude.

668
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:55,800
Tonico's right.
Yeah.

669
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,240
He was probably awful to his
wife.

670
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:00,360
Like, she's like, watch the
baby.

671
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,280
You're supposed to be watching.
I am watching the baby.

672
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:03,880
No, you're not.
You're scrolling your phone.

673
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:05,600
And I totally agree with what
y'all saying.

674
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,520
I mean like y'all are like
really just helping my cause

675
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,200
here of what I'm saying.
No, we're not.

676
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:13,520
Because the whole.
The whole.

677
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,600
Point of this started because I
said I hated John Walker and

678
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:18,800
you're trying to say.
There's a little and all I said

679
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,280
was there was a little part.
Yeah, there's a part of him that

680
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,120
wants.
He, he, it's just a part to be

681
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,000
good part.
That is ridiculous.

682
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:26,920
That's all I was saying.
He wants to be good.

683
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:30,280
Self esteem issues and he still
does.

684
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:33,000
If y'all don't understand that
part, he does.

685
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:37,440
He didn't have the same issues
when we first met his character

686
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,320
and I didn't like.
Him being oh, he did, then

687
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:41,960
that's another reason why he was
acting like that.

688
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:43,960
That's another reason why you
make other people small because

689
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,200
you try to make yourself feel
better and make you feel bigger.

690
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,320
But.
That's why he keeps bringing

691
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:49,560
that we want to see a
championship.

692
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:54,680
Back-to-back, you're like 40
now, there's no need to mention

693
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,280
up a a championship.
See when you see people mention

694
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,520
up shit that they did when they
were younger.

695
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:01,880
Oh, I won the Chilean
competition.

696
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:06,280
Hey, like we're 55 now, so how
does that relate?

697
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:12,120
OK, We all did stuff when we
were teenager.

698
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:17,680
OK, so how do you?
Feel about John definitely

699
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:24,120
thought he was a Dick like but I
I feel what Michelle saying he

700
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:28,600
he everybody in this whole
picture got got issues.

701
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:32,960
He is probably more so than
anybody else was like Anthony

702
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:39,880
said taking that serum made him
more of who he was already.

703
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:46,240
But either way he got shit he
got to deal with just like

704
00:40:46,240 --> 00:40:49,440
everybody else does.
I don't hate him though.

705
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:53,960
I guess I do.
I'll be alone and then I don't

706
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,680
care.
I mean, I don't hate him.

707
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:58,880
Yeah, I can't stand this
character.

708
00:40:58,880 --> 00:40:59,600
I can't.
Oh.

709
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:02,720
I can name.
The character and Nick will tell

710
00:41:02,720 --> 00:41:05,560
you Nick, Nick was with me both
times I went to go see.

711
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:09,680
We went to we went to a couple
of pre screenings and every time

712
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:13,240
John Walker was on the screen, I
had a visceral reaction.

713
00:41:13,240 --> 00:41:17,240
Even when I wasn't planning to
have one, I just did.

714
00:41:17,240 --> 00:41:20,960
I was just like just.
I can't wait till he saves a

715
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:25,080
baby later and how to be like OK
that's OK that's good.

716
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,440
No, because that's what he's
supposed to do.

717
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,280
If he's supposed to be a hero.
You want to talk to people about

718
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:32,800
how you were the Captain
America.

719
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:34,160
You were.
You were the official.

720
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,480
Cap and when he admits that he
did wrong, you'll be OK, but

721
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,240
you'll give a little.
I will give him a little bit of

722
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:41,120
clothing.
Yeah.

723
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:41,840
Like what?
What?

724
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,240
What does he need to do?
Yeah, I mean, yes, if he just

725
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:48,520
said because like I said, with
all these other characters,

726
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:55,160
there is a, there is a a moment,
whether it was in this movie or

727
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,200
even when we've seen them
before, where they have

728
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,920
acknowledged the stuff that they
have done wrong.

729
00:41:59,920 --> 00:42:03,280
And I mean, this whole movie,
Yelena was all about that.

730
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,280
And we know Bucky's back, you
know, Bucky's back story.

731
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:09,280
Bucky has always felt guilt
about that.

732
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:16,000
And Bucky was being controlled.
He was mind controlled and, you

733
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,360
know, he still feels guilt for
everything that he did even

734
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,920
though there was nothing he
could do about it.

735
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:27,440
So yes, if John Walker comes off
his high horse just a little bit

736
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:31,920
and at least says, OK, you know
what, maybe I'm not such a great

737
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:35,360
guy, blah, blah blah, then maybe
I can start looking at his

738
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:39,560
character like, oh, he might be
able to redeem himself.

739
00:42:39,720 --> 00:42:43,920
Them were great.
All of the IT it if if that's

740
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:47,120
your argument that he's not a
great person.

741
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,520
They all explained that they
weren't great people.

742
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:52,520
But that's the thing, they are,
they all admit it.

743
00:42:52,720 --> 00:42:55,640
He does not.
That's just because I.

744
00:42:56,520 --> 00:43:00,840
Don't say I'm not a good person,
I said.

745
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,920
Just because he doesn't say I'm
not a good person.

746
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:08,480
It's not just because he doesn't
say it, but it's, it's the whole

747
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,520
attitude and the gravitas he has
behind it.

748
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:15,680
Like he constantly blames other
people for the things that he's

749
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,040
done.
You know, he doesn't take

750
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:21,800
responsibility for his actions.
And then when other people try

751
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,880
to point that out to him, be
like, look, you don't have to be

752
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:29,120
an asshole all the time.
He literally leans into it more

753
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,840
by saying stuff like what
Michelle said, oh, yeah, you

754
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,320
know, I did this, I did that.
I was Captain America.

755
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,280
I did this.
And oh, yeah, my high school

756
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:39,360
football team won three state
championships back-to-back to

757
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,600
back.
Nobody gives a fuck about that

758
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,640
because guess what?
All they remember is that you

759
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:51,480
killed a guy on camera and felt
no remorse, no remorse for it.

760
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:56,280
He has not once said anything
about being sorry that he did

761
00:43:56,280 --> 00:44:00,040
that.
He even talked, he even talks to

762
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:03,120
to them in this movie and says
that that guy wasn't innocent

763
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:06,320
and they're like, he wasn't the
one that you were after.

764
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,040
I'm, I'm going to kind of push
back a little bit on that

765
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:15,120
Hanukkah because one thing that
this movie, the the overarching

766
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:20,440
like themes and motifs of this
movie is we would have to.

767
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:24,160
I hate doing this, giving the
writers more creative than it

768
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:30,160
deserves.
But but the I, I have two things

769
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:33,520
I want to say.
So the first thing is, I think

770
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:37,760
it's, it might be a little bit
harsh of us to think that he

771
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:42,880
doesn't feel guilt about it
because all of these characters

772
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:45,840
feel a certain amount of guilt
about the things they've done,

773
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:50,440
right?
And he's just trying to hide it

774
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,200
so much.
Because what all these

775
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:56,200
characters are suffering for,
this is the existentialist to

776
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:59,520
me, is they've all sort of lost
bases of purpose.

777
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:02,840
They're all trying to find their
new purpose of life.

778
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:06,880
They're all trying to find
purpose and meaning in what they

779
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:10,000
do and why they're here.
That's how the movie starts.

780
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:14,400
The movie starts with Yelena
really having an existential

781
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,240
crisis.
Like, what is what is my

782
00:45:17,240 --> 00:45:18,920
purpose?
Why am I doing this?

783
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:22,360
She's doing something she's good
at because she is going through

784
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,840
the motions.
She's almost bored taking out

785
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:31,400
all those guys, but at the same
time, she doesn't have much of A

786
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:35,680
purpose.
Alexi, he is in America trying

787
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:38,680
to find his purpose.
He knows what he wants to do.

788
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:40,120
He doesn't know how to get
there.

789
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:45,800
He's still looking.
Ava, we don't get into her story

790
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,440
that much, but she's sort of in
the They're all in the same

791
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:51,880
place.
That's what that's what why do I

792
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:54,480
keep want to call it Valerie?
I keep want to call it a Veep

793
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:58,960
because I read an article where
someone said that that was the

794
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:03,760
vice president and Veep, that
was her character and it was

795
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:05,760
just magnified.
She was basically playing the

796
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:09,520
same character, just amplified.
It literally is the same

797
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:13,640
character.
She played off of that because

798
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:18,160
she was giving them purpose, she
was giving them something to do.

799
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:23,040
So she was able to to take
advantage of that with

800
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:28,160
Taskmaster and Elena and John,
because they don't.

801
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:32,360
And so I'm not going to be as
harsh on John as probably most

802
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:34,880
people, because I think he's
just hiding it.

803
00:46:35,240 --> 00:46:37,440
He's hiding the guilt.
He's trying to cover it up

804
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:41,840
because he doesn't really know
the the one time he thought he

805
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:44,120
had purpose, it was taken away
from him.

806
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,480
And everything he's doing is
trying to get back to that.

807
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:51,120
It's like chasing that high.
So of course he's not going to

808
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:54,600
admit that what happened was
something that was wrong,

809
00:46:55,000 --> 00:47:00,000
because that is a bar.
There's a barrier to him getting

810
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:03,760
to what his purpose is.
He still wants to be a hero.

811
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:09,000
He does.
And Alexi, he was telling Elena

812
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,440
later, That's what Natasha
found.

813
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:15,200
She found her purpose in doing
good and being a hero.

814
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,640
That's what you need to do,
right?

815
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:21,080
And that was the realization
that she had later, you know

816
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:23,400
what I'm saying?
So the all these characters are

817
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,440
trying to find their purpose.
And then here comes the group

818
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:31,120
therapy leader, Becky, who has
gone through therapy, who has

819
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:34,160
found his purpose.
Yeah, and a congressman.

820
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:37,480
Right.
And he's trying to, he's a model

821
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,200
to them.
He's trying to show them that

822
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:44,280
you can, you can find a purpose
in life by doing good, just by

823
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:48,720
doing the right thing.
I have more notes on that, by

824
00:47:48,720 --> 00:47:52,360
the way, but we'll, we'll wait.
No, by all means.

825
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:55,800
No, no, we're good.
We're good.

826
00:47:57,240 --> 00:47:59,280
Yeah.
I want to hear from Casey

827
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,520
because I like it feel.
About about to call her V2.

828
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:04,560
How you feel about What's her
name DE?

829
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:12,600
Fontaine, Valentina Valentina
Allegra de Fontaine de Fontaine

830
00:48:12,720 --> 00:48:15,240
de Fontaine.
Make sure you get it right.

831
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:17,200
I'm surprised she.
Didn't add.

832
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:21,040
I'm surprised she didn't add the
Countess to the to the her name

833
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:24,360
in this one.
We, we saw her shame room, which

834
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:28,920
is the guilt that she feels for
causing her father's death, you

835
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:32,160
know, and, and that's something
that she has been trying to do

836
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:34,720
with all her life.
Yeah, Beside, note how you feel

837
00:48:34,720 --> 00:48:37,640
about her Hanukkah.
Can she be redeemed?

838
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:41,080
Do not like her, she really
can't.

839
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:44,480
I do not like her because she
OK.

840
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,320
She's the best in manipulator.
Yes, she really is.

841
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:52,160
And really, the crazy thing is
for her to have that memory as

842
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:57,480
her shame room, to know that
even as a kid, something that

843
00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:59,920
she did caused harm to someone
that she loved.

844
00:48:59,920 --> 00:49:04,600
Because, you know, what was it?
Her dad had told her not to tell

845
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:07,080
anyone where they lived.
And she said she saw a guy in

846
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:10,640
the village and he said he was a
friend and he wanted to come by

847
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:14,520
and see him.
Which, you know, she, she's

848
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:18,440
about our age going back.
If you thinking back in those

849
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:21,920
times, it was very, you know, we
always told people don't talk to

850
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,720
strangers, don't give them any
information about you, blah,

851
00:49:24,720 --> 00:49:28,840
blah, blah.
So for her to have that kind of

852
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:32,760
memory and that kind of guilt
over what she did to become who

853
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:39,320
she has become, I'm just, I, I
just.

854
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:39,800
Yeah.
And.

855
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:41,520
For Ross to be married to her
like.

856
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:45,480
I am so confused.
Well, I think she was I, I, I

857
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:50,280
think she probably, I don't, I
don't want to say she tricked

858
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:52,760
him, but I just feel like.
She probably was nasty.

859
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:54,320
I mean, she was hiding some
things.

860
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:56,120
Yeah, You could tell that just,
you know, how she acts.

861
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:57,520
She didn't.
Yes.

862
00:49:57,720 --> 00:49:58,960
He would never show her.
But Sophie is.

863
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,120
Yeah.
But the realization when she did

864
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:08,800
see her, her trauma and when she
was with Bob, and then how it

865
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:10,960
looked like, oh, crap, that's
deep.

866
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:13,200
And then turned around like, oh,
I can use that.

867
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:16,800
That whole facial expression.
I was like, oh, you are

868
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:21,680
dangerous because you see.
And instead of like, oh, I'm

869
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:24,480
kind of scared.
You're like, oh, can you use

870
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:26,920
this?
I think she was scared at first

871
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:31,120
when she was, you can see it
like you can first see like, oh,

872
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:33,600
like that's deep feelings, my
emotion.

873
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:38,200
And oh, he can do that.
Oh, I have some ideas.

874
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:41,200
Like you saw that.
You saw it move through her

875
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:42,440
face.
And I was like, oh.

876
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:44,840
Not good.
Yeah.

877
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:49,440
And I mean, even just just her
motivations for everything that

878
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:52,120
she was doing, you know, that
whole century project that she

879
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:56,440
was doing, she was one
experimenting on people who

880
00:50:57,720 --> 00:51:01,920
technically nobody would miss if
the if they went missing, you

881
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,400
know, but.
And Bob was one of those quote

882
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:07,720
UN quote perfect subjects
because he was a drug addict.

883
00:51:07,720 --> 00:51:09,640
He, you know, he was kind of in
and out.

884
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:14,600
He was he was in Thailand of all
places, just trying to do

885
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:16,200
whatever.
Chase the next.

886
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:19,480
High chasing the next high or
trying to get cleaned up because

887
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:23,160
he has, as he said, he has these
periods of highs and he has

888
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:26,240
these periods of lows.
So there were times when he

889
00:51:26,240 --> 00:51:30,400
tried to get better and then,
you know, slip back into his old

890
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:34,160
ways.
But for her to be the type of

891
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:38,120
person to start that kind of
project, and then when she sees

892
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:42,040
it's not going the way it's
supposed to, you just dispose of

893
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:46,120
the people.
Master's counseling student here

894
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:49,400
in today thing yes, so you have
this dude right?

895
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:54,040
Did they not do any screening
like any psychological screening

896
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:58,200
because one clearly he has
bipolar disorder.

897
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:05,520
He also they knew about his
childhood abuse and they should

898
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:08,240
have maybe noticed that he might
have.

899
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:11,760
Nah, they probably wouldn't have
thought he had dissociation of

900
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,240
identity disorder.
They didn't care because they

901
00:52:14,240 --> 00:52:17,600
were experiencing and they
wanted to be able to kill him if

902
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:20,560
they needed to.
I mean, even Mel, when she had,

903
00:52:20,720 --> 00:52:24,560
when she had his file, she was
like, Val, have you like looked

904
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:26,960
at his file?
I don't think we need to be.

905
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:31,640
You know, right, he think that
wasn't the only person they were

906
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:36,280
going to do that with.
When they when they perfected

907
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:40,000
what they were doing, then they
was going to find someone and do

908
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,960
all the tests on to make sure
that he will be the right

909
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:45,240
superhero.
Yes.

910
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:47,720
However, in the meantime.
Subjects.

911
00:52:48,720 --> 00:52:51,600
In the meantime, you're giving
it to the test subjects.

912
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:56,480
What if by chance one of those
test subjects it actually works

913
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:57,960
on right they?
Didn't.

914
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:00,440
Think about that.
OK.

915
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:02,640
So yeah, so this was.
The phrase hold on with the

916
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:06,560
associate of identity disorder.
He has the void, which is the

917
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:11,760
depression that he goes into if
you have the century personality

918
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:14,920
because that's what he always
wanted to feel invincible.

919
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:19,960
So he literally was invincible
where no one could harm him.

920
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:24,040
Again, it was test subjects, so
you didn't expect it to work

921
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:26,640
just a little bit.
And you admit that it.

922
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:32,240
Yeah, so you know.
But the crazy thing is I didn't

923
00:53:32,240 --> 00:53:34,480
catch this the first time I
watched it.

924
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:36,800
It was when I went back the
second time.

925
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:42,480
So in the beginning, when Yelena
is going to the lab to destroy

926
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:45,080
the lab, it didn't.
I didn't.

927
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:47,800
It didn't dawn on me that that
was the same lab because I

928
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:50,680
completely missed the shadows of
the two figures in the

929
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:52,640
background.
For Michelle say the same thing.

930
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:54,560
Yeah, Michelle, say I.
Didn't notice it.

931
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:59,120
So going back and watching it
the second time, I'm like, there

932
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:04,440
is a little physical evidence
right here on your wall that

933
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:08,520
something about this experiment
you were doing ain't.

934
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:11,160
Right, and that's what the
doctor was trying to say.

935
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:16,400
Yes, the doctor was trying to
say like she doesn't know what

936
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:20,160
this will do and this person is,
you know, this person is

937
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:23,320
dangerous and it doesn't work
the way she wants it to.

938
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:26,640
Of course, Elena is not caring
about any of this because that's

939
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:29,640
not part of her mission.
She was she's being paid to

940
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:31,640
destroy the lab.
That's all she's going to do.

941
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:36,760
And if wasn't until she
remembered it later when they

942
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:39,320
were in the shame room, she was
like, wait, I've been here.

943
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:41,560
When I looked around and I saw
it on the background, I was

944
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:45,440
like, oh, yeah, they should have
never done this with him.

945
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:51,560
Like the minute something like
that happened, I don't know who

946
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:54,760
that has working for her.
I don't know why they didn't

947
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:58,160
call her and say, hey, we might
have a problem with the

948
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:01,120
experiment.
But apparently she didn't know.

949
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:03,920
Wait, but didn't didn't the
doctor say I?

950
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:06,040
Don't think so.
Right.

951
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:09,920
That's why I was, yeah.
Didn't the doctor, didn't the

952
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:12,800
doctor say he tried to tell her
he tried to contact her?

953
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:16,880
Didn't he say that?
He said he tried to contact her.

954
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:23,760
But yeah, Val's whole persona is
she's too busy to do this.

955
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:26,080
She's too busy to do that.
She has Minion.

956
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:29,280
I mean, that's how she treated
Mel the whole the whole movie.

957
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:31,360
Like, that's my minion.
That's the person who's going to

958
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:35,520
do stuff.
So the fact that she didn't even

959
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:38,520
pay attention to what might have
happened there.

960
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:42,160
Like something would tell me,
OK, if I was a person who was

961
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:46,800
funding a super secret illegal
project and that person over

962
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:49,600
that project was trying to get
in touch with me, something

963
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:52,040
would tell me to pick up the God
damn phone.

964
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:54,400
But.
That is not me.

965
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:57,440
When she put it down, she shut
it down.

966
00:55:57,480 --> 00:55:59,960
Yeah, she also one of them
people who also don't take

967
00:55:59,960 --> 00:56:02,400
accountability.
No, the whole time they tried to

968
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:03,680
impeach her.
She's like, but what did that

969
00:56:03,720 --> 00:56:05,240
give me?
Wrong, which is another reason

970
00:56:05,240 --> 00:56:08,960
why I don't like her character.
Yeah, and if she doesn't want to

971
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:11,600
look, she don't want to know
'cause if she can claim, I don't

972
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:14,000
know what you're talking about.
Right, right.

973
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:17,240
I said clean up.
I meant like get some bleach and

974
00:56:17,240 --> 00:56:20,560
Clorox and wipe down the studio.
I didn't say kill people.

975
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:28,920
Plausible.
Plausible deniability, but I

976
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:34,600
mean, the fact that you are one,
being impeached because of all

977
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:37,240
of this stuff and then you're
sitting there trying to get rid

978
00:56:37,240 --> 00:56:40,560
of stuff like I don't know what
her character is doing.

979
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:43,520
And this is the first time that
we've actually like really,

980
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:46,680
really seen her character
fleshed out because even in

981
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:50,880
Wakanda Forever, we get that
little bit of background on her,

982
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:55,480
but I don't feel like we were
seeing her full character, you

983
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:57,320
know, the the way that she was
meant to be seen.

984
00:56:57,320 --> 00:56:59,720
So I feel like this is the first
time we've seen a really, really

985
00:56:59,720 --> 00:57:03,240
fleshed out.
But it's like, if you are this

986
00:57:03,240 --> 00:57:07,520
person who is so smart, you're
over the CIA, your CIA director,

987
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:11,440
you know what it's like when
people are being impeached, you

988
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:13,200
know what folks are going to
look for.

989
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:16,440
You should not have been in the
middle of your impeachment

990
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:19,360
hearing just now getting rid of
evidence.

991
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:22,200
Not saying that I'm trying to
help her out, but I'm just, I'm

992
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:26,680
just saying this is a person who
really did feel like she was

993
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:32,520
untouchable, I feel like.
But yeah, to go So to short

994
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:34,280
answer to your question,
Michelle, no, I don't.

995
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:35,400
Like her?
I don't.

996
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:39,760
Do you like her less than John?
No.

997
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:43,760
What's the level here?
And can she redeem herself in

998
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:47,120
her eyes?
No.

999
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:52,920
No, because you in the end she
she introduced them to the world

1000
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:56,600
like they wanted.
Oh, I was when when I say when,

1001
00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:59,280
when when Yelena walked up to
her.

1002
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:02,400
I was really hoping Yelena was
going to punch her in the face

1003
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:05,560
like Alexi wanted because I was
like this bitch.

1004
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:08,600
The what I.
Did though, so you had to do

1005
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:11,640
punch her in the face?
I mean just the whole we.

1006
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:12,360
Own you?
Yeah.

1007
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:16,600
Yeah, no, that's not satisfying
enough for me.

1008
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:20,200
It's not you.
Need the actual physical touch

1009
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:22,840
she.
Needs to be punched in the

1010
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:25,480
mouth.
What is he saying?

1011
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:27,120
She need it.
She need a weapon.

1012
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:29,400
Yeah, she.
Need a weapon?

1013
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:34,240
She need a weapon.
But as far as her and John

1014
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:39,600
Walker, so I will say this, a
lot of my disdain for John

1015
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:44,640
Walker also comes from the fact
of the way that you treated Sam

1016
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:47,320
and Bucky and Falcon and The
Winter Soldier.

1017
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:50,600
Like you immediately came in
like, Oh yeah, I'm Captain

1018
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:52,280
America.
You guys are going to come help

1019
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:55,080
me like treating them like they
were the sidekicks.

1020
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:56,440
And I'm like.
They weren't.

1021
00:58:56,440 --> 00:59:00,120
He was Captain America.
No, so he wrong.

1022
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:04,560
So he no, no no.
So he wrong for taking his job

1023
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:09,120
seriously?
This is the this is the same

1024
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:11,680
thing I said when we were
discussing Falcon in The Winter

1025
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:13,080
Soldier.
I'm saying it.

1026
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:16,440
I said it then, I said it now.
You did not earn the mantle of

1027
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:20,560
Captain America, so.
He didn't earn it, but.

1028
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:25,160
Southie did not want it, so
somebody had to do it.

1029
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:27,560
No, they didn't know.
No, No, no, no, no, no.

1030
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:31,280
Substitute.
It was a substitute the.

1031
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:37,200
Government giving John Walker
the shield The government giving

1032
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:40,800
John Walker the shield, the
shield without him having earned

1033
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:44,680
it, is just like our current
president giving out all these

1034
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:47,120
high rings.
Hold on, hold on, hold on.

1035
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:50,040
I'm just saying.
I'm just saying what what is

1036
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:55,640
your definition of earning it?
Because Steve didn't necessarily

1037
00:59:55,640 --> 01:00:00,680
earn the mantle either.
But when Steve got it, it wasn't

1038
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:03,880
supposed to be an actual
superhero, he was supposed to

1039
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:07,360
just be a face.
He ended up earning it when he

1040
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:11,440
went to go save Bucky and those
other hundred soldiers from a

1041
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:15,040
situation that everyone was
telling him to let go because it

1042
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:16,280
was impossible.
To do.

1043
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:19,240
No, no, no.
He he was an experiment.

1044
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:23,160
He was supposed to be the first
of many, but the doctor got

1045
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:28,040
killed and he had the, the, the,
the serum ingredients in his

1046
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:31,720
head, so they didn't know what
to do with him.

1047
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:34,160
He was the only one they had.
They didn't want to waste him.

1048
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:37,000
They didn't want him to
accidentally get killed until

1049
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:39,400
they can figure out how to make
the serum again.

1050
01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:43,080
So they put him off to the side
and had him, you know, drum up

1051
01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:46,280
money or whatever.
But initially he didn't really

1052
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:49,080
earn anything.
He actually did.

1053
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:52,280
No, no, not really.
Well then.

1054
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:55,120
OK, well then.
Wait, hold on.

1055
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:57,520
Hold on.
So what did John Walker do

1056
01:00:57,520 --> 01:00:59,480
before he was made Captain
America?

1057
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:04,760
He was a soldier who had a whole
bunch of successful missions,

1058
01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:10,520
saved a lot of people, fought in
a couple of wars, earn medals.

1059
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:15,080
So how did he not earn it?
He was a substitute.

1060
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:19,080
How did you not earn it though?
It wasn't.

1061
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:23,440
It wasn't, trust me.
It was like the DoD didn't go

1062
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:26,280
through and try to find the
person that would best fit the

1063
01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:29,120
role.
They literally went through a

1064
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:31,400
whole bunch of soldiers, tried
to find someone who will fit the

1065
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:33,520
row, and this is the guy that
came up.

1066
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:36,960
With and This is why this is all
Sam's fault, because he should

1067
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:39,120
have took the shield.
But that's a whole nother.

1068
01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:41,680
Friend, that's a whole other.
Story Game.

1069
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:44,520
Because they weren't going to
make him Captain America.

1070
01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:46,520
Unless.
He didn't have to give up the

1071
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:48,520
shield, it could just been in
his house.

1072
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:51,880
He gave it up.
But that's how we're talking

1073
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:53,840
about.
Oh, I'm just saying.

1074
01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:57,400
So they had to find a
replacement and that's the

1075
01:01:57,440 --> 01:02:01,000
replacement he's he's a good
looking dude to put on a poster.

1076
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:03,880
He has these medals.
They didn't do they testing

1077
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:07,240
either.
They just found the the a super.

1078
01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:11,160
They found a war hero who looks
good blonde hairs very similar

1079
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:14,600
to Steve.
He can take some great pictures.

1080
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:17,080
He got this beautiful wife.
They may have kids in the

1081
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:18,800
future.
This looks great.

1082
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:21,200
This looks great.
It's going to work out great.

1083
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:24,840
It didn't work out great, but.
He had the credentials.

1084
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:27,560
I mean, he did, to be honest
with you, but.

1085
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:32,040
The credentials are not did too.
But the problem is the

1086
01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:37,120
credentials are not the only
thing that that makes that

1087
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:42,360
shield, that makes that person
he, he, he's not a Steve Rogers.

1088
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:45,200
He doesn't.
Have No one is going to be Steve

1089
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:49,400
Rogers because no one's going to
be able to pick up the hammer

1090
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:52,960
but Steve Rogers and Thor.
You got to think about it.

1091
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:57,760
No one else is worthy.
So they should have just left.

1092
01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:00,840
Them honestly, no one is ever
going to replace.

1093
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:04,480
No one ever is going to replace
Steve, not even Sam.

1094
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:07,240
Which is why they should have
left that shield in the

1095
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:10,800
Smithsonian where Sam had.
That no, Sam just left it in his

1096
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:12,200
garage.
That's all I'm saying.

1097
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:15,080
Well, that too, but that's,
yeah, that's a whole other.

1098
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:18,680
And say, I don't know what
shield you talking about she I'm

1099
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:20,720
not going to do it.
No one should do.

1100
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:24,840
Right.
Because if nothing else, when

1101
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:27,240
Steve gave it to Sam, he gave it
to him.

1102
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:29,480
He didn't say, hey, take this
and go give it to somebody

1103
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:30,720
because I don't think you can do
the job.

1104
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:34,400
He wouldn't think that she was
able to do the job.

1105
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:38,280
Right and imagine how Steve is
feeling right now on the couch,

1106
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:41,840
watching television and all of.
This He's on the moon, not on

1107
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:43,240
the couch.
He is on the moon.

1108
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:47,400
OK, let's move on the couch.
Let's.

1109
01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:49,760
Get out of the way.
He's disappointed.

1110
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:54,560
Let's get out of the ways.
But he takes his job serious.

1111
01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:59,280
That's what we were saying, yes.
Yes, I agree with Casey.

1112
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:02,360
He takes his job seriously.
Hardiko is punishing a man

1113
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:04,080
because he took his job
seriously.

1114
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:06,160
We came onto the scene.
And he had issues.

1115
01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:10,400
He was the legitimate Captain
America, and so, yes, they were

1116
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:14,320
his psychics and he was placed
by the government of this

1117
01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:16,920
country in charge of the mission
they.

1118
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:18,200
Were and.
Those two.

1119
01:04:18,200 --> 01:04:21,720
Guys, they were in the those
guys contractors, they didn't

1120
01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:27,320
one of the not working with him.
One of those guys is fugitive.

1121
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:32,360
Not a fugitive but is a murderer
slash former spot for the

1122
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:35,440
Russians and the other guy.
Who?

1123
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:40,560
Then pays his taxes.
OK, and you know what side note,

1124
01:04:40,560 --> 01:04:45,000
Pause.
And then we give, we give them.

1125
01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:47,720
We give Captain America a bad
name.

1126
01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:54,880
But then we forget his best
friend died that time to worse

1127
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:58,160
too.
Oh, you talk about John's best

1128
01:04:58,160 --> 01:05:01,440
friend.
Yeah, so OK, Hanukkah something,

1129
01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:07,080
a couple of strings.
His friend passed away in front

1130
01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:08,920
of him.
His friend was murdered in

1131
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:09,480
front.
Of him, right?

1132
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:10,720
So he turned.
That's why.

1133
01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:15,080
So did Bucky, as Steve thought
for 90 years.

1134
01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:20,600
So no.
I just totally forgot about

1135
01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:21,080
that.
Yeah.

1136
01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:22,720
That didn't help his situation
though.

1137
01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:24,120
It didn't help his situation
though.

1138
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:28,000
No, but because his friend could
have talked some sensei to him

1139
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:31,040
too.
But that's OK.

1140
01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:34,320
And and that's I think because
Lamar even saw that John was

1141
01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:38,800
kind of going off the rails.
Yeah, so but OK, we're going to

1142
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:42,680
get off John Walker.
I just my my position is very

1143
01:05:42,680 --> 01:05:45,360
clear.
If you want more details, go

1144
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:48,240
back and listen to our Falcon,
which is soldier covered.

1145
01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:51,000
Listen.
I I truly enjoy Bob.

1146
01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:54,600
I did.
He.

1147
01:05:56,240 --> 01:06:01,640
He was one of those characters
that even though he was in his

1148
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:06,560
mind, so messed up, I don't
know, something about him just

1149
01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:09,960
felt really fresh compared to,
you know, other characters that

1150
01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:12,920
we've been introduced to.
Because at first I thought he

1151
01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:14,760
was just going to be like Comic
Relief.

1152
01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:17,680
Because I, I didn't know what
the Thunderbolts was about.

1153
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:20,560
I didn't know what this movie
was dealing with going into it,

1154
01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:22,400
except for the parts about
Elena.

1155
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:27,120
Then we get Bob's whole back
story about him being an addict

1156
01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:29,920
to him.
You know, we, we see in his

1157
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:33,360
shame room, you know, his father
used to abuse his his mother and

1158
01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:35,560
then they both used to abuse
him.

1159
01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:41,920
And it's just like the way that
his character came off.

1160
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:45,520
And I have a feel it's a lot of
this probably has to do with

1161
01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:50,800
Lewis Pullman's portrayal of it
because this is the character

1162
01:06:51,160 --> 01:06:54,880
that Steven Young was supposed
to play before the pandemic.

1163
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:57,600
This is the character that he
was cast as.

1164
01:06:57,600 --> 01:07:01,200
And then he had to pull out
because of the writers strike.

1165
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:03,720
And then I think he had a
scheduling conflict with another

1166
01:07:03,720 --> 01:07:05,040
movie that he was supposed to be
doing.

1167
01:07:05,040 --> 01:07:07,080
So Lewis Pullman ended up
getting it.

1168
01:07:07,960 --> 01:07:13,080
And I don't know, something
about the way he brought that

1169
01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:17,720
character to life.
Like I as much as depressing as

1170
01:07:17,720 --> 01:07:21,960
some of this movie was, it was
also still like so heartfelt.

1171
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:25,320
I just, you just want to take
this character and just give

1172
01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:27,600
them a hug the way the
Thunderbolts did at the end.

1173
01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:31,640
It's like you just feel like one
big hug will solve all his

1174
01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:33,120
problems.
And you know that's not the

1175
01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:36,640
case, but you really felt like
that's what that character

1176
01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:39,360
needed.
And so when they did that at the

1177
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:44,400
end, I think somebody else said
I was looking at commentary on

1178
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:48,240
Twitter and somebody was like, I
don't think the The Avengers

1179
01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:53,800
ever did a group hug, do you?
Remember, no they.

1180
01:07:53,800 --> 01:07:57,480
Sort of did, yeah.
When they sat around, that was

1181
01:07:57,480 --> 01:08:02,480
their decompression together.
But it wasn't the way the

1182
01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:04,800
community and, you know, I'm
sure.

1183
01:08:05,120 --> 01:08:06,840
I mean, I can only speak for
myself.

1184
01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:09,320
I've dealt with depression
before and I know what that's

1185
01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:13,080
like to sometimes you don't need
anybody to say anything.

1186
01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:15,680
You don't need medicine.
You don't need this.

1187
01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:21,520
Sometimes you just need a hug,
you know, And that's, that's how

1188
01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:23,479
I felt when I saw that.
I was just sitting in the movie

1189
01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:26,040
theater trying.
I'm, I'm around all these other

1190
01:08:26,040 --> 01:08:27,680
people.
I'm like, I'm trying not to cry.

1191
01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:30,600
I'm trying not to cry but I felt
that so much.

1192
01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:33,720
Because with that hug, it says I
see you and.

1193
01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:36,479
We're here with you.
Yeah.

1194
01:08:36,479 --> 01:08:39,720
And because he probably he felt
so they're.

1195
01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:44,000
Never going to leave him because
we clearly don't need you.

1196
01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:49,359
How many setbacks?
So you going to be with us, OK.

1197
01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:51,439
But but he feels so alone.
He was.

1198
01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:54,560
He was just still alone.
Yeah, and now he has like a

1199
01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:55,880
family.
He has a family.

1200
01:08:55,960 --> 01:08:57,760
And he's like, OK, I'm washing
the dishes or something.

1201
01:08:58,640 --> 01:09:01,399
And that's another reason why I
didn't like Valentina, because

1202
01:09:01,399 --> 01:09:05,840
of what she did to him, because
you draw him in and make him

1203
01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:07,960
feel like, oh, he's going to be
important.

1204
01:09:07,960 --> 01:09:10,359
Isn't that what you want?
You want for people to see that

1205
01:09:10,359 --> 01:09:14,760
you are not your past, you are
not who you used to be or you

1206
01:09:14,760 --> 01:09:16,720
are not.
This is not the only thing.

1207
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:19,080
You are like, you're more
important, you have purpose,

1208
01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:23,399
blah, blah, blah.
And then you try to control him.

1209
01:09:23,399 --> 01:09:27,600
And when he doesn't do what he
wants you to do, you want to hit

1210
01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:31,560
the kill switch on him.
Like, literally, the man was

1211
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:32,720
just sitting there questioning
you.

1212
01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:35,160
Like, yeah, I really don't think
I should have dyed my hair

1213
01:09:35,160 --> 01:09:37,359
blonde.
I'm not really feeling it, but,

1214
01:09:37,399 --> 01:09:39,160
you know, maybe that's something
we could like.

1215
01:09:39,319 --> 01:09:44,240
The fact that this man was not
just grateful that you gave him

1216
01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:47,960
this, this, you know, these
powers and the suit and

1217
01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:51,279
everything.
You wanted him to be a robot.

1218
01:09:51,279 --> 01:09:54,160
You wanted him to just do
everything you wanted.

1219
01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:57,560
You wanted him to.
You wanted to control him.

1220
01:09:58,040 --> 01:10:02,440
And then you forget that this
man is an actual human being.

1221
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:06,280
This is a man who has feelings.
This is a man who has opinions.

1222
01:10:06,280 --> 01:10:10,120
This is a man who wants some
agency over his own person.

1223
01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:14,320
And when he decides to voice
that to you, you want to kill

1224
01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:14,840
him?
Yeah.

1225
01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:17,840
I think, I think you, I think
you may have went a little bit

1226
01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:23,840
too far with century because
what really happened was he's

1227
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:27,480
like, I'm a God.
Why should I listen to you?

1228
01:10:28,120 --> 01:10:29,800
This.
Yeah, that's about as much

1229
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:32,440
agency as he was trying to
impart.

1230
01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:35,960
But he will only said that in
response to her basically like

1231
01:10:35,960 --> 01:10:37,320
you need to do what I tell you
to do.

1232
01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:38,920
And he was like why do I have to
do that?

1233
01:10:39,080 --> 01:10:43,920
Because if she hadn't.
Done that, all he asked for is

1234
01:10:43,960 --> 01:10:48,360
could we change my hair color?
Right, went to Nah.

1235
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:51,680
We're keeping it this way and.
Then he was like, Oh well, why?

1236
01:10:52,160 --> 01:10:55,400
Oh.
No, and also she was telling him

1237
01:10:55,400 --> 01:10:59,960
to kill the Thunderbolts right?
Like I've already defeated them,

1238
01:10:59,960 --> 01:11:01,200
why do I have?
To kill him.

1239
01:11:01,200 --> 01:11:01,720
To kill them.
Why?

1240
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:02,840
I really don't want to kill.
Them.

1241
01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:07,400
And when I say defeat, yeah, he
did.

1242
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:09,520
Yeah, he did.
He did.

1243
01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:14,120
I mean, Bucky was in pieces.
Literal.

1244
01:11:15,200 --> 01:11:17,160
They literally ran out of that
room.

1245
01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:18,880
But yeah.
Unless it's picked him up so

1246
01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:20,960
quick.
I said Oh my God, he is out for

1247
01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:23,040
the count.
So we had to grab his arm.

1248
01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:28,080
Yeah, yeah, it was bad, but the.
Fact that he even questioned

1249
01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:30,920
that when she was like, OK, so
now you can go kill him.

1250
01:11:31,200 --> 01:11:33,320
He was like, why?
They're already defeated.

1251
01:11:33,320 --> 01:11:35,560
And you know, that's the one
thing I like about him.

1252
01:11:35,560 --> 01:11:37,160
He's like, I've already beat
them.

1253
01:11:37,640 --> 01:11:41,120
There would be no Victoria.
There would be no point and

1254
01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:43,720
killing them now, like they're
already defeated.

1255
01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:46,840
They literally had to carry
Bucky and take him out because

1256
01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:49,160
he was unconscious.
What would like?

1257
01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:51,480
Yeah, what?
Why do I have to go and do

1258
01:11:51,480 --> 01:11:53,320
anything?
Further to them, yeah, they're

1259
01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:54,720
running the.
Fuck with them.

1260
01:11:54,720 --> 01:11:56,320
They're.
Running out.

1261
01:11:56,560 --> 01:12:00,240
They're running to the elevator.
Oh yeah, again, agency.

1262
01:12:00,240 --> 01:12:04,120
Because when he didn't go kill
them, that's what she was like.

1263
01:12:04,160 --> 01:12:07,560
Oh, I really hate to do this.
Why do you have to do this?

1264
01:12:08,120 --> 01:12:11,840
He's already shown that he is
powerful than all of them, more

1265
01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:13,640
powerful than all of them put
together.

1266
01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:16,280
You don't have to kill them to
prove a point.

1267
01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:20,840
I mean, I realized you want to
you want them killed for your

1268
01:12:20,840 --> 01:12:24,480
safety maybe, but you got you
got tree.

1269
01:12:25,400 --> 01:12:33,680
You're good that he didn't do
what you what you wanted him to

1270
01:12:33,680 --> 01:12:35,520
do.
So now you're going to you know,

1271
01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:39,000
you got the, the, the, the kill
switch and you going to take him

1272
01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:43,320
out.
And all y'all did was just make

1273
01:12:43,320 --> 01:12:48,400
things worse.
You just made it worse because

1274
01:12:48,400 --> 01:12:51,480
you killed, because it's almost
like you killed that part of

1275
01:12:51,480 --> 01:12:54,240
him.
That was the the regular, the

1276
01:12:54,240 --> 01:12:57,840
human part, the conscious you,
you killed that person.

1277
01:12:58,400 --> 01:13:00,560
And then that's when the void
took over.

1278
01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:03,320
And the void was just like, oh,
OK, I'm just going to disappear

1279
01:13:03,320 --> 01:13:05,240
you and you and you and you and
you.

1280
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:10,200
I didn't know what to expect
because the way that they showed

1281
01:13:10,200 --> 01:13:12,760
it in the trailers, it looked
like he was killing people.

1282
01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:17,440
I was really thrown off when
when Lexi was hugging the was

1283
01:13:17,440 --> 01:13:20,080
talking to the little girl and
the little girl, when I say the

1284
01:13:20,080 --> 01:13:25,320
whole theater went oh, because
it's like, wait, we killing

1285
01:13:25,320 --> 01:13:28,360
children now, right?
Yeah, I'm not.

1286
01:13:28,360 --> 01:13:30,360
So too, I was like, wait a
second, like damn.

1287
01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:34,280
Right in the middle of her
talking.

1288
01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:38,600
OK, bye.
Right, right.

1289
01:13:39,320 --> 01:13:41,960
And then you just take, you
literally take over the whole

1290
01:13:41,960 --> 01:13:46,920
city with the void.
And to think that all of those

1291
01:13:46,920 --> 01:13:49,640
people who you think, you know,
they're kind of getting spreaded

1292
01:13:49,640 --> 01:13:52,560
and you think they're dying.
But to think that they were all

1293
01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:56,480
in their own personal hell
dealing with their own shame

1294
01:13:56,480 --> 01:14:01,360
rooms or their worst memories.
And I love the way that they

1295
01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:05,800
kind of did that in the film as
far as, OK, they have these

1296
01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:08,360
different rooms.
And you know, I think the thing

1297
01:14:08,360 --> 01:14:13,480
with Elena, of course we get to
see we get to see several of

1298
01:14:13,480 --> 01:14:19,560
hers and just to to see what she
went through as a kid.

1299
01:14:19,560 --> 01:14:23,000
You know, her first, I think
technically speaking is the

1300
01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:25,920
first kill, even though she was
the one that she wasn't the one

1301
01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:32,680
that killed the little girl, but
she lured her having to see that

1302
01:14:32,680 --> 01:14:36,120
over and over again.
And then the training in the Red

1303
01:14:36,120 --> 01:14:42,160
Room and then her in the bathtub
passed out from the drinking,

1304
01:14:42,520 --> 01:14:46,240
probably after all the stuff
happened with, you know, Natasha

1305
01:14:46,240 --> 01:14:53,120
being dead and stuff.
I was just like, I wasn't ready

1306
01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:55,880
to to deal with all of this
today.

1307
01:14:55,880 --> 01:14:58,080
When I walked into the movie
theater, you, you know, you

1308
01:14:58,080 --> 01:15:00,720
thinking, you're looking at the
trailers and you thinking this

1309
01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:02,320
is going to be kind of a fun
movie.

1310
01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:04,680
You know, like, oh, they're,
they're making jokes.

1311
01:15:04,680 --> 01:15:07,720
You got the Red Garden and
Bucky, you got all these things.

1312
01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:10,160
And then you come into a movie
and it's completely different

1313
01:15:10,160 --> 01:15:15,040
from anything I was expecting,
but it was also one of the best

1314
01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:20,480
Marvel movies for me that I've
seen because they tackle all of

1315
01:15:20,480 --> 01:15:22,040
that.
They tackle the trauma.

1316
01:15:22,040 --> 01:15:25,360
And like I said, we talk about
that all the time, how these

1317
01:15:25,360 --> 01:15:29,640
characters go through trauma
after trauma, after trauma after

1318
01:15:29,640 --> 01:15:31,960
trauma after trauma.
They never get a chance to sit

1319
01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:34,080
and think about it.
They never get a chance to deal

1320
01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:35,520
with.
It's just kind of off to the

1321
01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:40,080
next thing, off to the next
thing and to see them actually

1322
01:15:40,760 --> 01:15:44,720
have to kind of stop in their
tracks and deal with it in order

1323
01:15:44,720 --> 01:15:47,480
to help someone else deal with
theirs.

1324
01:15:48,280 --> 01:15:54,400
I thought it was a beautiful way
to to to bring this team

1325
01:15:54,400 --> 01:15:56,480
together.
And then yes, with Bucky as the

1326
01:15:56,480 --> 01:16:00,040
league, because I was not
expecting that, like Bucky being

1327
01:16:00,040 --> 01:16:05,280
the leader, but he does, you
know, I think that kind of

1328
01:16:05,480 --> 01:16:09,480
proves that he may have a shit
together a little bit better

1329
01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:14,840
than than, you know, we usually
see him, which is good because

1330
01:16:15,440 --> 01:16:17,240
that man has been through so
much trauma.

1331
01:16:17,240 --> 01:16:19,760
Like they were sitting there
talking about, oh, OK, so do we

1332
01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:23,440
want to do we want to do one up
on the trauma?

1333
01:16:23,440 --> 01:16:24,640
Oh, yeah.
I was the child.

1334
01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:28,240
I was the child assassin.
That's what Elena said.

1335
01:16:28,240 --> 01:16:29,880
And they're going through all
the traumas.

1336
01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:34,200
It's like, I don't know how any
of them are going to be normal,

1337
01:16:34,200 --> 01:16:37,560
but I think they they're off to
a decent.

1338
01:16:37,560 --> 01:16:39,080
Start and then what you consider
normal.

1339
01:16:39,880 --> 01:16:43,840
Well, OK, so let's not, let's
not say normal, let's say

1340
01:16:44,720 --> 01:16:49,120
functioning life.
Yeah, yeah.

1341
01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:52,320
So let's talk about the benefits
of group therapy.

1342
01:16:52,320 --> 01:16:54,200
Yes.
Let's talk about not that.

1343
01:16:54,200 --> 01:16:55,680
Let's talk about Bucky for a
second.

1344
01:16:55,760 --> 01:16:59,560
We just let's talk about Bucky.
One thing is I like when we

1345
01:16:59,560 --> 01:17:02,840
watch the movie Anthony turns
when, you know, Bucky was going

1346
01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:08,440
to to Congress, then he was like
elected, they elected him.

1347
01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:12,040
And I'm like, yes, they did.
Even I don't know how his

1348
01:17:12,040 --> 01:17:15,400
speeches were because he said
was we deal with stuff.

1349
01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:18,320
We'll get to the stuff, the bad
stuff.

1350
01:17:18,920 --> 01:17:22,360
We'll take care of that stuff.
Like come on, dude.

1351
01:17:22,360 --> 01:17:27,160
But people felt just his heart,
and they were like, yeah, we'll.

1352
01:17:27,160 --> 01:17:32,960
Vote for But here's my question.
Was he really, did he really run

1353
01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:34,600
for Congress to run for
Congress?

1354
01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:38,040
Or was this supposed to be an
undercover thing, an undercover

1355
01:17:38,040 --> 01:17:41,240
thing to take Valentina down?
Because when he's sitting there

1356
01:17:41,240 --> 01:17:45,600
talking to Mr. Gary, the, the
ever illustrious Wendell Pierce,

1357
01:17:45,960 --> 01:17:50,400
when he's talking to him, it's
almost like he's saying, look,

1358
01:17:50,720 --> 01:17:53,600
we already have a plan for how
we're going to do this.

1359
01:17:54,520 --> 01:17:56,680
I just need you to do what you
supposed do what you were

1360
01:17:56,680 --> 01:17:59,280
elected to do so that we can get
her out.

1361
01:17:59,280 --> 01:18:02,640
So I felt like it was more of an
undercover thing.

1362
01:18:03,480 --> 01:18:07,400
No, he was actually elected.
Remember in the Red Hulk movie

1363
01:18:07,920 --> 01:18:09,280
he was in the middle of
campaigning?

1364
01:18:09,760 --> 01:18:12,560
Yeah, but I'm but that's why I
was saying I was wondering if

1365
01:18:12,560 --> 01:18:17,280
all of that was part of the plan
to to impeach Valentina because

1366
01:18:17,920 --> 01:18:20,040
from the way.
So what's his motivation to

1367
01:18:20,040 --> 01:18:23,440
actually that just don't seem
like Bucky unless he's trying to

1368
01:18:23,440 --> 01:18:27,120
give back well to his.
Community well.

1369
01:18:28,080 --> 01:18:30,880
It could be a I mean the way
he's working.

1370
01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:32,840
Is they always try to find
someone who can win the

1371
01:18:32,840 --> 01:18:34,800
district.
And they were like, oh, you

1372
01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:38,640
know, he's popular now.
He can win the district.

1373
01:18:39,760 --> 01:18:43,360
Yeah, you know, because he has a
great platform to run on.

1374
01:18:43,360 --> 01:18:47,080
You know, someone who was the
Captain America's best friend,

1375
01:18:47,280 --> 01:18:51,440
brainwashed into becoming an
assassin, being able to

1376
01:18:51,440 --> 01:18:54,280
breakthrough and becoming a
hero, all this other stuff.

1377
01:18:54,280 --> 01:18:56,240
But then the other thing I was
thinking of.

1378
01:18:56,240 --> 01:18:58,360
Just a kid from Brooklyn.
Yeah.

1379
01:18:58,840 --> 01:19:03,680
Just a kid from Brooklyn, but
also he could be running.

1380
01:19:05,440 --> 01:19:06,880
Hey, y'all gonna hate me for
bringing this up?

1381
01:19:07,160 --> 01:19:10,040
He can't be running because
maybe half of the people that

1382
01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:14,800
were in power or in government
has been revealed to me.

1383
01:19:17,360 --> 01:19:21,200
No, no secret.
Invasions, yeah.

1384
01:19:21,560 --> 01:19:25,440
They were scrolls so maybe they
were looking for for new people.

1385
01:19:25,720 --> 01:19:28,280
Let's not go there.
Let's move on.

1386
01:19:28,280 --> 01:19:32,040
I'll just, I didn't I
intentionally avoid you talking

1387
01:19:32,040 --> 01:19:33,120
about that show.
Yeah.

1388
01:19:33,160 --> 01:19:38,680
Because then watching this, I
was thinking, so are are are we

1389
01:19:38,680 --> 01:19:41,440
going to talk about this at all?
No.

1390
01:19:41,720 --> 01:19:44,400
You mean you mean sore?
You mean sore head?

1391
01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:47,080
No idea what was going on with
Valentina.

1392
01:19:47,080 --> 01:19:49,640
You mean Nick Fury didn't know
what was happening?

1393
01:19:51,960 --> 01:19:53,720
Yeah, he is.
He has other issues.

1394
01:19:53,720 --> 01:19:57,120
I mean, to get his marriage
together.

1395
01:19:57,120 --> 01:20:00,240
OK, let's move on.
So and then the what?

1396
01:20:00,240 --> 01:20:02,600
Condon should feel some type of
way where you just going to put

1397
01:20:02,600 --> 01:20:04,840
your arm in a dishwasher?
I'm sorry.

1398
01:20:06,760 --> 01:20:09,920
But I don't.
Understand that's that's the

1399
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:12,560
best way to sanitize it.
Is that's simply.

1400
01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:14,200
You can't put it in the wash
machine.

1401
01:20:14,320 --> 01:20:18,200
I understand that, but it's just
the disregard like you can and

1402
01:20:18,200 --> 01:20:19,920
that.
Arm has probably been through a

1403
01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:22,880
couple of faces, probably had
some blood on it, so yeah, it

1404
01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:24,880
needs sanitized.
But you remember I said that

1405
01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:28,120
when I first saw the trailer?
I said why the fuck is Buggy's

1406
01:20:28,120 --> 01:20:30,360
arm in the dishwasher?
Why?

1407
01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:32,240
But.
The and it's and it's made out

1408
01:20:32,240 --> 01:20:35,160
of vibranium.
Nothing is going to hurt.

1409
01:20:35,160 --> 01:20:37,520
It I know, but it just just
feels.

1410
01:20:37,800 --> 01:20:40,200
It's just the feels.
It feels disrespectful.

1411
01:20:40,360 --> 01:20:43,680
It does, I'll say take it to the
dry cleaning.

1412
01:20:44,080 --> 01:20:47,600
I mean this feels he's.
Not going to trust that to

1413
01:20:47,640 --> 01:20:49,600
nobody else.
I'm just joking.

1414
01:20:49,640 --> 01:20:52,000
I am joking, but.
Because he won't.

1415
01:20:52,320 --> 01:20:56,080
Give it back.
The thing I really like in this

1416
01:20:56,120 --> 01:21:00,720
movie is how really human he
seems.

1417
01:21:01,480 --> 01:21:05,200
Like he's the, he's the type of
person where when they come up

1418
01:21:05,200 --> 01:21:07,760
to him with the microphones to
ask him questions, he's just

1419
01:21:07,760 --> 01:21:10,880
like, you know, he's not
polished.

1420
01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:12,920
He's not like this new and
improved bucket.

1421
01:21:12,920 --> 01:21:14,440
He's still the same kind of.
Yeah.

1422
01:21:14,440 --> 01:21:18,000
So we're going to, we're going
to do the thing because that's

1423
01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:21,640
the thing we're supposed to do.
And we're going to do the thing.

1424
01:21:21,640 --> 01:21:24,240
And, you know, he's just still
unsure of himself.

1425
01:21:24,480 --> 01:21:27,480
Him sitting there eating,
reading the, the, the, the

1426
01:21:27,480 --> 01:21:30,760
brochure and he spills the, you
know, the Taco on himself.

1427
01:21:30,760 --> 01:21:34,160
I was just like, I know some
people were like, why are they

1428
01:21:34,160 --> 01:21:35,880
making Bucky seem like he's
stupid?

1429
01:21:35,880 --> 01:21:39,000
I'm like, no, they're making
Bucky seem like he's human.

1430
01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:42,240
And I love it like this.
Right, because I'm sorry, we're

1431
01:21:42,240 --> 01:21:44,480
looking at me.
Bucky wasn't reading anything

1432
01:21:44,480 --> 01:21:47,920
back in the day either.
Well, he read, but he was a

1433
01:21:47,920 --> 01:21:52,320
Playboy, remember?
Bucky read for Hobbit in 19. 30

1434
01:21:52,320 --> 01:21:55,200
December He did, but all those
people around that time read The

1435
01:21:55,200 --> 01:21:57,920
Hobbit.
But what I tried to say was

1436
01:21:58,160 --> 01:22:01,440
Bucky not stupid, but Bucky
wasn't reading stuff and he like

1437
01:22:01,440 --> 01:22:03,480
why I got to read this now I
don't want to.

1438
01:22:03,920 --> 01:22:06,320
Yeah.
Because however he watched, he

1439
01:22:06,320 --> 01:22:10,480
watched Terminator 2 though.
Yeah, what did what did what did

1440
01:22:10,480 --> 01:22:12,680
when the Pierce say did you read
the brochure?

1441
01:22:12,680 --> 01:22:14,200
Did you?
Read the packet did.

1442
01:22:14,360 --> 01:22:17,000
You read the packet.
Packet read the packet Bucky and

1443
01:22:17,360 --> 01:22:20,120
he was like.
Man, and he was reading the

1444
01:22:20,120 --> 01:22:21,720
packet.
He's like, it's so boring here.

1445
01:22:22,440 --> 01:22:24,800
It's stupid.
But I loved it.

1446
01:22:24,840 --> 01:22:26,720
I loved it.
Also, but you know what about

1447
01:22:26,720 --> 01:22:29,280
that part?
I thought that he was saying

1448
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:33,360
because like to me when he was
talking about we gonna do this,

1449
01:22:33,560 --> 01:22:37,360
you know, the long game.
I think Bucky is so used to

1450
01:22:37,360 --> 01:22:40,640
fighting so he's like, let's go
fight it out.

1451
01:22:40,920 --> 01:22:43,640
That's what I took from it.
You know what I mean?

1452
01:22:43,640 --> 01:22:49,080
More so than any telling him
anything else, he Bucky's

1453
01:22:49,120 --> 01:22:51,680
thought was to fight it out.
Because that's, you know, that's

1454
01:22:51,680 --> 01:22:54,240
what he know how to do.
Yeah, he's like, let's go grab

1455
01:22:54,240 --> 01:22:56,280
her, let's go pair in the room
and you should talk.

1456
01:22:56,760 --> 01:23:00,280
You're like, no, we're not
solving things.

1457
01:23:00,360 --> 01:23:04,840
It's not right now, Bucky.
But that was my thought on that

1458
01:23:04,840 --> 01:23:08,080
part.
I'm thinking he would he like,

1459
01:23:08,080 --> 01:23:11,000
let's just go pick like they
would do if it was him and Steve

1460
01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:14,520
or him and anybody else.
Let's just go pick her up, but

1461
01:23:14,520 --> 01:23:17,320
talk to her and get to the
bottom of that way where he's

1462
01:23:17,320 --> 01:23:19,240
trying to do it.
The legal way.

1463
01:23:19,360 --> 01:23:22,080
That part, that probably would
have worked better for them

1464
01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:26,400
doing it that way, yeah.
Well, he can't have it both ways

1465
01:23:26,400 --> 01:23:29,000
because even Mill says you can
just track my phone.

1466
01:23:29,000 --> 01:23:30,640
He's like, I don't do that kind
of thing.

1467
01:23:30,640 --> 01:23:32,200
I don't do that kind of thing
anymore.

1468
01:23:32,880 --> 01:23:34,960
And she's like, OK, Mr.
Congressman, thank you.

1469
01:23:34,960 --> 01:23:38,920
And he was just looking at the
phone like, I guess I'm doing it

1470
01:23:38,920 --> 01:23:40,920
that way.
But that was that was going to

1471
01:23:40,920 --> 01:23:45,360
be my question because when they
finally get up to Mel's tower,

1472
01:23:45,360 --> 01:23:50,440
which the fact that she has
Avengers Tower bothers me.

1473
01:23:50,440 --> 01:23:53,200
But anyway.
But when they get up there, she

1474
01:23:53,200 --> 01:23:58,440
makes a comment to Bucky.
And she was like, she was like,

1475
01:23:58,440 --> 01:24:03,520
even I wasn't expecting you to
last, you know, more than a

1476
01:24:03,520 --> 01:24:07,560
term, but not even six months.
So I'm guessing that at the

1477
01:24:07,560 --> 01:24:10,480
point he went Terminator went to
go find them.

1478
01:24:10,720 --> 01:24:12,400
He was like, you know what, I'm
done with this.

1479
01:24:12,400 --> 01:24:14,760
I can't.
I can't do this and do this.

1480
01:24:15,480 --> 01:24:19,320
No, I think that once it comes
out that he did that, he would

1481
01:24:19,320 --> 01:24:25,160
lose his job because he would.
He's a new Avenger.

1482
01:24:25,320 --> 01:24:28,600
Now he just blew up.
Tanks not.

1483
01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:31,840
Not necessarily, Anthony.
I'm.

1484
01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:35,040
Sorry, Congressman.
Congressman get away with a lot.

1485
01:24:35,440 --> 01:24:39,360
But that he just he, he went
full Terminator Two out on that

1486
01:24:39,360 --> 01:24:42,600
road like he lost his job.
Someone got to prove it though.

1487
01:24:42,840 --> 01:24:45,280
She would, that's the thing.
Because she can say.

1488
01:24:45,280 --> 01:24:48,800
I know that actually, no,
Valentina can't prove it because

1489
01:24:49,120 --> 01:24:53,400
if she if she proves it, she's
she's there.

1490
01:24:53,400 --> 01:24:55,720
Oh yeah, you know that stuff
Y'all were trying to.

1491
01:24:56,160 --> 01:24:58,080
Nikki, trust me, she will have
tapes.

1492
01:24:58,080 --> 01:25:00,560
Bucky.
Bucky has been doing this for

1493
01:25:00,560 --> 01:25:04,360
100 years.
He knows how not to get caught.

1494
01:25:05,960 --> 01:25:08,200
But trust me, he'll be all
right.

1495
01:25:08,320 --> 01:25:11,440
I think she would just say, oh,
you can even make it after.

1496
01:25:11,600 --> 01:25:13,040
He probably hadn't even
resigned.

1497
01:25:13,680 --> 01:25:16,480
Yeah, because and she and all he
going, he been right.

1498
01:25:16,480 --> 01:25:18,920
He riding around with a shotgun.
He's been blew up.

1499
01:25:19,360 --> 01:25:20,160
He blew.
Up how long?

1500
01:25:20,160 --> 01:25:21,840
How long has he been doing this
Hanukkah?

1501
01:25:23,480 --> 01:25:27,560
100 a damn time, but you.
Know he's not in that that real

1502
01:25:27,560 --> 01:25:30,960
frame of mind when he was
assassin and covering up his

1503
01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:32,440
tracks.
He's still.

1504
01:25:33,160 --> 01:25:34,000
There.
And.

1505
01:25:34,840 --> 01:25:37,800
He's still dangerous.
I'm saying, yeah, he's still

1506
01:25:37,800 --> 01:25:39,360
dangerous.
He's still dangerous.

1507
01:25:39,360 --> 01:25:40,720
He's just not cleaning up his
tracks.

1508
01:25:40,720 --> 01:25:43,840
That's all I was saying.
No, I think he's more positive

1509
01:25:43,880 --> 01:25:46,080
he have.
Like his credit card.

1510
01:25:46,360 --> 01:25:48,800
See when he was a spy.
Now you feeling in, Now you

1511
01:25:48,800 --> 01:25:50,200
making he.
Killed people and took a

1512
01:25:50,520 --> 01:25:51,800
motorcycle.
I'm sorry.

1513
01:25:52,920 --> 01:25:55,360
No, he probably, that's probably
his motorcycle.

1514
01:25:55,360 --> 01:25:58,600
I will.
He still have safe houses all

1515
01:25:58,600 --> 01:26:00,120
over the world.
Oh, absolutely.

1516
01:26:01,280 --> 01:26:05,160
He trust me, he, he, he's, he's
been doing this for 100 years.

1517
01:26:05,480 --> 01:26:10,240
He's fine.
Because you never know.

1518
01:26:10,240 --> 01:26:13,360
Because I mean, one of the
things that we did learn when

1519
01:26:13,920 --> 01:26:18,560
Valentina was in her hearing
this is taking place some months

1520
01:26:18,600 --> 01:26:23,440
after Red Hole emerged.
So yeah, you Bucky is not in

1521
01:26:23,440 --> 01:26:27,000
retirement by no stretch of the
imagine, No, but he might have.

1522
01:26:27,120 --> 01:26:29,720
Been taken at the end as the new
Avenger.

1523
01:26:29,840 --> 01:26:32,160
He doesn't have that congressman
job.

1524
01:26:32,240 --> 01:26:33,840
Oh yeah, no, he can't.
That's what I'm.

1525
01:26:34,360 --> 01:26:37,560
Saying it's over.
So yeah, he's done.

1526
01:26:38,080 --> 01:26:40,880
I don't know.
He no, no, no.

1527
01:26:40,880 --> 01:26:42,800
He has to return there.
He can't.

1528
01:26:43,120 --> 01:26:46,360
He can be done with the
congressman because if, if, if I

1529
01:26:46,360 --> 01:26:50,920
have to look at him in that New
Avengers suit, I'll take it.

1530
01:26:50,920 --> 01:26:52,640
He he can resign.
He can resign.

1531
01:26:52,640 --> 01:26:55,120
He's in my Alexis jumpsuit with
his.

1532
01:26:55,120 --> 01:26:58,240
No, no, no, I'm talking about
the New Avengers suit that he

1533
01:26:58,240 --> 01:27:01,960
had on with the glorious hair.
I don't know what they did to

1534
01:27:01,960 --> 01:27:06,400
Bucky and those what was the 14
months from the end of quote UN

1535
01:27:06,400 --> 01:27:09,800
quote Thunderbolts to when I
don't know what they did with

1536
01:27:09,800 --> 01:27:12,440
him, but I like it.
I need to like I have been

1537
01:27:12,440 --> 01:27:15,960
looking for that image
everywhere so Casey can put it

1538
01:27:15,960 --> 01:27:19,360
on a T-shirt for me because
Bucky was looking good.

1539
01:27:19,360 --> 01:27:25,080
And that post, they all were
except for Lexie.

1540
01:27:25,080 --> 01:27:29,640
But Bucky, Yeah.
Bob was in his pajamas.

1541
01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:34,080
And, and you know where I, I'll
take Bob in his pajamas as a

1542
01:27:34,080 --> 01:27:38,760
void to the void because that
void, I don't know what they did

1543
01:27:38,760 --> 01:27:40,600
to make the void the way that
they did.

1544
01:27:40,600 --> 01:27:43,520
But the fact that he was so
blacked out and all you can see

1545
01:27:43,520 --> 01:27:47,360
were the eyes that, that, that
was scary to me.

1546
01:27:48,560 --> 01:27:52,880
That that really was because it
it really looking at the screen

1547
01:27:52,880 --> 01:27:58,120
it really did feel like
something was just coming to

1548
01:27:58,840 --> 01:28:02,560
envelope you in darkness and I
didn't like that feeling I was

1549
01:28:02,560 --> 01:28:06,040
like OK, y'all did a good job
with the void because I like I'm

1550
01:28:06,040 --> 01:28:09,800
sitting in my my seat and I was
just feeling so uncomfortable

1551
01:28:10,240 --> 01:28:13,280
with this and I was like oh
please don't let him be somebody

1552
01:28:13,280 --> 01:28:16,720
that's that's actually like able
to kill people like this because

1553
01:28:17,480 --> 01:28:21,480
what do you need doomsday for
Avengers the void or something

1554
01:28:21,480 --> 01:28:22,880
because.
You know what?

1555
01:28:23,400 --> 01:28:25,920
You know who else deserve some
credit?

1556
01:28:26,600 --> 01:28:30,720
Lewis Pullman, because when he
fill out the sky and got up and

1557
01:28:30,720 --> 01:28:33,320
his stuff was all where they
shot him and he was still was

1558
01:28:33,320 --> 01:28:36,040
all, he looked shredded.
Oh my goodness.

1559
01:28:36,160 --> 01:28:36,600
He did.
I was.

1560
01:28:37,200 --> 01:28:38,880
Like he did I.
Was like, wait what?

1561
01:28:39,720 --> 01:28:40,800
Right.
He did.

1562
01:28:42,040 --> 01:28:46,280
Yeah, and, and you know what?
I don't know why it took me

1563
01:28:46,280 --> 01:28:48,240
forever.
I'm sitting here looking at him

1564
01:28:48,240 --> 01:28:52,520
on the screen.
I'm like, he looks so familiar.

1565
01:28:53,760 --> 01:28:57,240
Damn Bill Pullman's.
Son, Yeah.

1566
01:28:58,560 --> 01:29:01,480
It's like, oh that makes so much
sense now.

1567
01:29:01,480 --> 01:29:04,160
Like I didn't even think about.
The same he is, I didn't.

1568
01:29:05,440 --> 01:29:07,320
Think about.
The I looked, I looked for it

1569
01:29:07,320 --> 01:29:13,400
and I couldn't find any.
I stopped looking when I didn't

1570
01:29:13,400 --> 01:29:14,520
see it.
See what?

1571
01:29:14,520 --> 01:29:17,000
I was looking it up and I
couldn't find it because I I

1572
01:29:17,000 --> 01:29:20,200
swore he looked just like Bill
Pullman and I couldn't find it.

1573
01:29:20,200 --> 01:29:21,520
It's not Stop looking.
Yeah, that's the.

1574
01:29:22,600 --> 01:29:24,640
Son.
I thought you were going to say

1575
01:29:24,640 --> 01:29:27,240
you recognize from Top Gun
Maverick is Bob.

1576
01:29:27,600 --> 01:29:30,040
I haven't seen Top Gun Maverick
yet.

1577
01:29:30,920 --> 01:29:33,920
I know I.
Know, I know it's, it's on a

1578
01:29:33,920 --> 01:29:37,400
very long list of movies that I
need to get caught up on, but

1579
01:29:39,120 --> 01:29:44,760
yeah, but I saw a clip of him as
Bob in Maverick and I was just

1580
01:29:44,760 --> 01:29:48,200
like, wait, so he's done 2
movies almost back-to-back where

1581
01:29:48,200 --> 01:29:52,280
he's named the same character.
That's weird.

1582
01:29:52,680 --> 01:30:00,280
But I mean it, it fit.
Just FYI I've never seen regular

1583
01:30:00,280 --> 01:30:05,920
Top Gun I'm it's.
OK, Yeah, it's OK if you didn't

1584
01:30:05,920 --> 01:30:08,040
see the first top.
I'm not surprised you.

1585
01:30:08,080 --> 01:30:11,080
You get the gist.
First of all, you saw the clips,

1586
01:30:11,400 --> 01:30:15,600
you know who was in it, you
know, and you hit the same, you

1587
01:30:15,600 --> 01:30:18,640
hit the same thing.
I got a need for speed and you

1588
01:30:18,640 --> 01:30:20,960
know, you know that part, so
you're good as long.

1589
01:30:21,280 --> 01:30:24,040
As I didn't miss nothing.
No, you didn't miss anything but

1590
01:30:24,040 --> 01:30:25,640
the second.
One, I mean, it's a good.

1591
01:30:25,640 --> 01:30:27,240
One really good.
The second one was.

1592
01:30:27,240 --> 01:30:29,640
Really good.
OK, yeah, yeah.

1593
01:30:29,640 --> 01:30:33,600
Top Gun is one of those classic
18 movies that's like, yeah, it

1594
01:30:33,600 --> 01:30:36,000
was, yeah.
But you, you got the gist from

1595
01:30:36,000 --> 01:30:38,880
over the years of them playing
certain clips and you know, the

1596
01:30:38,920 --> 01:30:43,640
volleyball scene, you seen that
Val Kilmer with no shirt on and

1597
01:30:43,640 --> 01:30:47,840
they're like volleyball.
OK.

1598
01:30:47,840 --> 01:30:53,160
Yeah.
So I do want to talk about Alexa

1599
01:30:53,160 --> 01:30:56,000
a little bit because.
I love him.

1600
01:30:56,160 --> 01:30:59,400
When we when we were discussing
the What If series, there was

1601
01:30:59,400 --> 01:31:04,680
there was a episode of him and
Bucky and I, I was kind of not

1602
01:31:04,680 --> 01:31:07,680
feeling as gracious towards the
Red Guardian because I was like,

1603
01:31:07,720 --> 01:31:09,680
Oh my God, he is getting on my
nerves.

1604
01:31:10,760 --> 01:31:17,480
However, I will say this, I
think part of the issue that I

1605
01:31:17,480 --> 01:31:23,080
had with Red Guardian before was
I felt like he was trying too

1606
01:31:23,080 --> 01:31:27,920
hard to be funny without a lot
of background.

1607
01:31:27,920 --> 01:31:32,960
And now that, you know, we get
this movie and you get to kind

1608
01:31:32,960 --> 01:31:37,480
of see him more as who he is
without a purpose.

1609
01:31:37,480 --> 01:31:40,200
Like the last time we saw him,
he was in jail for most of the

1610
01:31:40,200 --> 01:31:42,960
time.
So it's kind of like, I don't

1611
01:31:42,960 --> 01:31:45,520
really know anything about him
except for what we saw at the

1612
01:31:45,520 --> 01:31:48,440
beginning of Black Widow.
And he was, you know, very much

1613
01:31:48,680 --> 01:31:53,080
dedicated soldier, dedicated
operative, blah, blah, blah.

1614
01:31:53,080 --> 01:31:56,200
And then he gets betrayed.
So now you get to see a little

1615
01:31:56,200 --> 01:31:59,360
bit more of that in this movie.
And him just kind of like you

1616
01:31:59,360 --> 01:32:03,560
said, he came to the States,
he's kind of feeling out of out

1617
01:32:03,560 --> 01:32:06,040
of place.
He's not really doing what he

1618
01:32:06,040 --> 01:32:07,720
wants to do.
He wants to be a hero.

1619
01:32:07,720 --> 01:32:12,120
But you know, it's just also, I
think for him coming from

1620
01:32:12,120 --> 01:32:17,720
another country, this, this,
this country has an over

1621
01:32:17,720 --> 01:32:20,480
abundance of superheroes right
now, even though we don't see

1622
01:32:20,480 --> 01:32:23,120
them all interact in all of the
Marvel properties.

1623
01:32:23,120 --> 01:32:27,400
But, you know, I, I think I
appreciate him more because you

1624
01:32:27,400 --> 01:32:33,000
realize that he is he's covering
up the pain that he's in.

1625
01:32:33,560 --> 01:32:38,080
And yes, his jokes get very
corny and they get very

1626
01:32:38,080 --> 01:32:42,000
uncomfortable sometimes.
But I like I like his character

1627
01:32:42,000 --> 01:32:46,040
in this one.
I like kind of how he tries to

1628
01:32:46,040 --> 01:32:49,840
relate to everyone.
But mainly I love the

1629
01:32:49,840 --> 01:32:52,720
relationship that he and Elena
have in this movie.

1630
01:32:52,720 --> 01:32:57,960
Like if you had told me when I
saw Black Widow that they would

1631
01:32:57,960 --> 01:33:04,440
be a, a decent father daughter
relationship, I, I would have

1632
01:33:04,440 --> 01:33:07,440
been like, no, there's no way
cuz she can't stand him.

1633
01:33:07,440 --> 01:33:10,640
And he, you know, he only want,
he only likes them because they

1634
01:33:10,640 --> 01:33:15,440
have read in their Ledger.
But I, I like the, the depth

1635
01:33:15,440 --> 01:33:18,040
that they gave to their
relationship in this movie.

1636
01:33:18,040 --> 01:33:22,520
I, I do like his character.
I was like, he's so much fun and

1637
01:33:22,560 --> 01:33:26,960
and they needed that, especially
with all of everything that's

1638
01:33:26,960 --> 01:33:30,480
going on, everybody dealing with
their trauma and all this other

1639
01:33:30,480 --> 01:33:32,000
stuff.
He was just like the bright

1640
01:33:32,000 --> 01:33:35,400
light there.
And when Elena walked into the

1641
01:33:35,400 --> 01:33:39,120
void and they had to pull him
back, Oh my God, I sobbed.

1642
01:33:39,680 --> 01:33:42,040
I sobbed because I felt his
pain.

1643
01:33:42,040 --> 01:33:43,840
He was like, I've already lost
one daughter.

1644
01:33:43,840 --> 01:33:45,200
I can't lose the.
Other.

1645
01:33:46,040 --> 01:33:47,080
I.
Felt it, yeah.

1646
01:33:49,040 --> 01:33:54,040
But yeah, I love him.
His, his, his same room.

1647
01:33:54,520 --> 01:33:57,040
It was going to have something
to do with his time in the

1648
01:33:57,040 --> 01:34:00,680
gulag, in the prison.
Oh, OK.

1649
01:34:01,040 --> 01:34:02,520
So that would have been
interesting.

1650
01:34:02,680 --> 01:34:06,560
Do they have do they have those?
Are they deleted scenes online?

1651
01:34:06,560 --> 01:34:13,160
Or just I think Ava's might be.
I don't know if Alexis is.

1652
01:34:13,480 --> 01:34:16,080
OK, so where where do you get
the information from?

1653
01:34:16,680 --> 01:34:19,200
Interviews.
It was interviews from the from

1654
01:34:19,200 --> 01:34:21,560
the writers.
Yeah, and they also said his

1655
01:34:21,560 --> 01:34:25,200
shame room was not finishing
Stranger Things the last season.

1656
01:34:27,360 --> 01:34:31,720
On time now.
That's funny.

1657
01:34:32,480 --> 01:34:37,000
That's funny, you know.
Since this is over, maybe we can

1658
01:34:37,000 --> 01:34:40,200
speed it up a little bit.
You know, when we were watching

1659
01:34:40,200 --> 01:34:45,120
What If, and we really love the
relationship he has with Becky,

1660
01:34:46,760 --> 01:34:50,600
something I realized, he has a
little bit of hero worship and

1661
01:34:50,600 --> 01:34:52,200
Becky.
Yes, he.

1662
01:34:53,440 --> 01:34:55,400
Does he does?
Then you think, oh, wait, The

1663
01:34:55,400 --> 01:34:58,080
Winter Soldier would have had to
have been a legend to him

1664
01:34:58,080 --> 01:35:01,960
growing up and that that's his
hero.

1665
01:35:02,600 --> 01:35:04,440
Yeah.
And I think it's it's, it's kind

1666
01:35:04,440 --> 01:35:08,160
of cool to see the interaction.
And then Bucky's like a hero and

1667
01:35:08,160 --> 01:35:11,000
stuff now and stuff.
Yeah, he's like, he loves it.

1668
01:35:12,040 --> 01:35:14,800
I I Winter Soldier, that guy is
so cool.

1669
01:35:15,240 --> 01:35:20,320
Yeah.
Yeah, OK, so I will say this

1670
01:35:22,000 --> 01:35:26,440
Ava's character, I didn't have a
problem with her in the movie.

1671
01:35:26,440 --> 01:35:29,240
Like I like what they gave her
to do, but still it's kind of

1672
01:35:29,240 --> 01:35:34,240
like, I don't know if I should
have felt more about her

1673
01:35:34,240 --> 01:35:40,720
character because we didn't
really delve into a lot of her

1674
01:35:40,720 --> 01:35:43,240
back story and.
Yeah, we didn't get a lot of

1675
01:35:43,360 --> 01:35:44,360
time with her.
Yeah.

1676
01:35:44,400 --> 01:35:50,440
Yeah, and I, I just kind of feel
like, I don't know, I, I wanted

1677
01:35:50,440 --> 01:35:54,280
more with her, especially
because Hannah is so good as

1678
01:35:54,280 --> 01:35:58,320
her, just the way she kind of
the way she and Yelena play it

1679
01:35:58,320 --> 01:36:04,440
off of each other.
And yeah, I just, I wanted more,

1680
01:36:05,240 --> 01:36:08,840
especially since we didn't have
that other extra member to deal

1681
01:36:08,840 --> 01:36:12,440
with because she was the one
that actually, you know, shot

1682
01:36:12,440 --> 01:36:14,960
Taskmaster.
I think Mike will probably love

1683
01:36:14,960 --> 01:36:18,840
her for that.
But yeah, I, I felt like I

1684
01:36:18,840 --> 01:36:20,680
needed more.
So.

1685
01:36:20,680 --> 01:36:23,680
But she's going to be in
Doomsday as well, isn't she?

1686
01:36:24,560 --> 01:36:26,640
Yeah, they're all confirmed
except for.

1687
01:36:28,200 --> 01:36:31,240
OK.
I mean she's BBQ so she can't

1688
01:36:31,240 --> 01:36:38,360
come.
I I still don't understand I

1689
01:36:38,400 --> 01:36:41,200
don't I don't understand why
they did that like how much did

1690
01:36:41,200 --> 01:36:45,120
y'all have to pay for her for
her to just come in and

1691
01:36:45,120 --> 01:36:50,200
literally die?
I agree 8 minutes and and the

1692
01:36:50,400 --> 01:36:52,800
and the the marketing like I
have.

1693
01:36:52,800 --> 01:36:54,400
One line.
I'm not here for you.

1694
01:36:56,440 --> 01:37:00,280
Yeah.
She's got that Fed card.

1695
01:37:00,360 --> 01:37:03,920
I'm not here for you.
I don't know.

1696
01:37:04,760 --> 01:37:09,040
OK, So I'm going to ask the
question to the two counselors

1697
01:37:09,040 --> 01:37:12,680
and counselors and training or
therapist, whatever you want to

1698
01:37:12,680 --> 01:37:16,880
call you yourselves.
How did you feel about the way

1699
01:37:16,880 --> 01:37:19,680
that they dealt with depression
in this movie?

1700
01:37:21,560 --> 01:37:25,840
No, you go first.
I think they they deal with it

1701
01:37:25,840 --> 01:37:30,680
very well.
It wasn't the only, it wasn't

1702
01:37:30,680 --> 01:37:34,360
the only one in the movie that
we had the depression, bipolar,

1703
01:37:34,360 --> 01:37:41,160
substance abuse, narcissism,
their favorite one, Hanukkah,

1704
01:37:44,520 --> 01:37:53,680
and just just the whole idea of,
of seeing how these things

1705
01:37:53,680 --> 01:37:57,840
affect people and that they are
actually real people, whether

1706
01:37:57,840 --> 01:38:01,080
they have superpowers or not.
They they still are humans with

1707
01:38:01,520 --> 01:38:05,600
emotions.
And just like everyone else,

1708
01:38:05,600 --> 01:38:09,760
they are subject to mental
health problems.

1709
01:38:10,760 --> 01:38:14,360
And I think they did a pretty
good job of, of showing that.

1710
01:38:14,360 --> 01:38:17,160
And like I said, Marvel has a
pretty good track record when

1711
01:38:17,160 --> 01:38:22,280
they lean into it and when they
kind of deal with it and sort of

1712
01:38:22,840 --> 01:38:25,760
discuss it.
Marvel doesn't have a bad

1713
01:38:25,760 --> 01:38:28,400
reputation of of dealing with
it.

1714
01:38:28,400 --> 01:38:34,520
Like even with Edward Norton's
Hulk talking about oh, and him

1715
01:38:34,520 --> 01:38:39,320
and when witch McCullough took
over the role, talking about

1716
01:38:39,320 --> 01:38:42,520
self harm.
And you know, I tried to take

1717
01:38:42,520 --> 01:38:44,600
care of myself and he spit the
bullet out.

1718
01:38:45,040 --> 01:38:48,400
You know, they barbell hasn't
ever really shield away from

1719
01:38:48,400 --> 01:38:51,760
mental health.
And I think this movie is a

1720
01:38:51,760 --> 01:38:55,160
testament to that.
It's like a culmination of all

1721
01:38:55,160 --> 01:38:59,440
these other times we've had to
deal with grief and trauma.

1722
01:38:59,880 --> 01:39:03,400
You know, the one line I always
use is the one the vision said

1723
01:39:03,400 --> 01:39:13,720
to to describe which what is
grief if not love persevering.

1724
01:39:14,480 --> 01:39:18,960
Yeah.
And you get moments like that in

1725
01:39:18,960 --> 01:39:22,560
this movie, especially between
the Lexi and Yelena.

1726
01:39:23,200 --> 01:39:26,200
And I think that that's that
they did a pretty good job.

1727
01:39:28,680 --> 01:39:38,480
OK, they did a pretty good job.
OK so the only issue I have is

1728
01:39:38,560 --> 01:39:44,760
things don't get solved by a hug
and they need to to promote more

1729
01:39:44,760 --> 01:39:48,480
of what you do afterwards.
Like it helped us get out of the

1730
01:39:48,480 --> 01:39:53,440
void but he still needed help.
They all still need help and

1731
01:39:53,440 --> 01:39:57,800
just being around him to keep
him occupied and busy isn't

1732
01:39:58,040 --> 01:40:04,280
what's going to help Bob.
So the only time I really felt

1733
01:40:04,280 --> 01:40:07,400
like they kind of dealt with it
was with Bucky.

1734
01:40:08,560 --> 01:40:11,080
However, Bucky wasn't really
paying attention in therapy, but

1735
01:40:11,080 --> 01:40:14,240
I think outside Bucky was
actually taking what he was

1736
01:40:14,440 --> 01:40:17,680
listening to in therapy and
applied it, even though he was

1737
01:40:17,680 --> 01:40:21,880
pretending like he wasn't in
therapy, but he was actually he

1738
01:40:21,880 --> 01:40:23,200
was listening.
He applied.

1739
01:40:23,240 --> 01:40:25,960
That's the only time I feel like
they like went through with it.

1740
01:40:27,280 --> 01:40:33,000
They showed, they showed, you
know, they showed grief and how

1741
01:40:33,000 --> 01:40:36,840
people deal with grief.
But again, like Wanda needed a

1742
01:40:36,840 --> 01:40:40,200
hug too.
They can't even give her a hug

1743
01:40:40,240 --> 01:40:43,120
and see where she went, but she
needed to see someone.

1744
01:40:43,120 --> 01:40:47,560
So they'll show very well what
people go through and what it

1745
01:40:47,560 --> 01:40:50,920
really looks like sometimes in
real life, but not the follow.

1746
01:40:52,000 --> 01:40:55,000
That's the only issue I had.
Like the hug is not going to

1747
01:40:55,000 --> 01:40:56,280
solve this.
Right.

1748
01:40:57,360 --> 01:41:02,600
It's going to calm him down
enough for everyone to get out

1749
01:41:02,600 --> 01:41:04,760
of the void.
And then we got to figure out

1750
01:41:04,760 --> 01:41:08,080
what to we do.
So it'll be the nice mention of

1751
01:41:09,240 --> 01:41:10,800
Bob.
Your therapist will be here on

1752
01:41:10,800 --> 01:41:14,080
Thursday.
He's like, OK, like.

1753
01:41:14,160 --> 01:41:17,880
Yeah, because what we got was
the hug, them coming out of the

1754
01:41:17,880 --> 01:41:20,760
void and then immediately
stepping into Valentina's

1755
01:41:20,760 --> 01:41:23,560
bullshit with the the.
Price conference.

1756
01:41:23,560 --> 01:41:26,800
And then months later, we talked
about the name and Bob's washing

1757
01:41:26,800 --> 01:41:28,280
dishes, and we just got to keep
him.

1758
01:41:28,280 --> 01:41:31,800
Like, you're pacifying Bob so
you don't get the void again.

1759
01:41:32,640 --> 01:41:34,080
But you need to do more than
that.

1760
01:41:34,760 --> 01:41:37,360
So I'm.
Like to think that if I'm sorry,

1761
01:41:37,360 --> 01:41:43,160
I would like to think that if
Becky knows that it works

1762
01:41:44,040 --> 01:41:48,480
because it worked with him, then
he would do that for the rest

1763
01:41:48,480 --> 01:41:50,280
of.
Them right, but it'll be nice to

1764
01:41:50,320 --> 01:41:51,320
to.
See.

1765
01:41:52,120 --> 01:41:58,120
And so so people be like, OK,
you just the thing about going

1766
01:41:58,120 --> 01:42:00,000
to get help.
So it'll help people like, you

1767
01:42:00,000 --> 01:42:03,480
know, I feel this way because
they were naming real issues

1768
01:42:03,840 --> 01:42:08,000
that people feel right now.
And then to just say something

1769
01:42:08,000 --> 01:42:12,400
about getting help because some
people don't have their friends

1770
01:42:12,400 --> 01:42:15,560
around them like that to give
them that hug or kind of talk

1771
01:42:15,560 --> 01:42:17,600
them through like Elena was
doing.

1772
01:42:17,600 --> 01:42:19,400
She was constantly trying to
reach him.

1773
01:42:19,400 --> 01:42:23,160
Like I hear what you're saying.
I felt the same way, but you

1774
01:42:23,160 --> 01:42:25,480
know, this is what we need to
do.

1775
01:42:25,600 --> 01:42:30,040
So that's the only issue I have.
This like show what needs to be

1776
01:42:30,040 --> 01:42:33,320
done afterwards so that the void
won't come back.

1777
01:42:34,160 --> 01:42:40,040
Or they could be group therapy
having boots.

1778
01:42:40,960 --> 01:42:42,840
Oh, because no, because then
another.

1779
01:42:42,840 --> 01:42:46,320
That's another thing they did do
it in game, because Steve, he

1780
01:42:46,320 --> 01:42:47,160
was.
One of the group.

1781
01:42:47,160 --> 01:42:50,280
He was going and talking about
what they will need to do after

1782
01:42:50,280 --> 01:42:53,240
everyone disappeared.
So that was a good there, and

1783
01:42:53,240 --> 01:42:55,600
Sam was already doing it.
Yeah.

1784
01:42:56,280 --> 01:43:00,880
And the reason why I bring up
the group therapy thing is Becky

1785
01:43:00,880 --> 01:43:04,280
was sort of be like the group
leader because group therapy,

1786
01:43:04,360 --> 01:43:07,840
the benefits of the sense of
belonging, holding each other

1787
01:43:07,840 --> 01:43:11,920
accountable, motivating each
other, learning from each other,

1788
01:43:12,360 --> 01:43:15,920
a safe place to express
themselves, a safe space.

1789
01:43:16,600 --> 01:43:21,760
And also the ability to see new
perspectives and learning how to

1790
01:43:21,760 --> 01:43:25,240
cope with it.
Because that was one thing that

1791
01:43:25,240 --> 01:43:28,680
Alexi was helping Yelena with is
he was giving her a new way to

1792
01:43:28,680 --> 01:43:31,000
look at what she was going
through.

1793
01:43:32,480 --> 01:43:37,840
And Bucky, having dealt with his
trauma and coming to terms with

1794
01:43:37,840 --> 01:43:40,680
his past because he stopped
running from his past, he's

1795
01:43:40,680 --> 01:43:43,880
accepted his past.
He can help all of them with

1796
01:43:43,880 --> 01:43:49,800
that, especially Yelena.
And John has come to terms with

1797
01:43:49,800 --> 01:43:52,400
it, accept it, don't run from
it.

1798
01:43:53,040 --> 01:43:56,680
And especially with Bob, because
Bob has a lot of things that

1799
01:43:57,240 --> 01:44:00,640
he's constantly trying to run
away from his past.

1800
01:44:01,440 --> 01:44:06,360
That's everything about him is
about avoiding dealing with any

1801
01:44:06,360 --> 01:44:09,600
of those emotions from his past,
any of those experience from his

1802
01:44:09,600 --> 01:44:11,960
past.
Blakey can really help him with

1803
01:44:11,960 --> 01:44:13,800
that.
But I do like what Michelle

1804
01:44:13,800 --> 01:44:16,040
said.
We would be nice if we can see

1805
01:44:16,040 --> 01:44:19,920
that, because then people would
know that you know what it's if

1806
01:44:19,920 --> 01:44:23,840
these people can go get help to
deal with their stuff, then

1807
01:44:23,840 --> 01:44:27,000
maybe I could too.
So I wonder if they're going to

1808
01:44:27,000 --> 01:44:30,120
put at least a little bit of
that in Doomsday.

1809
01:44:30,120 --> 01:44:35,400
Because from what I understand
that that in credit scene where

1810
01:44:35,400 --> 01:44:39,720
we saw them as the New Avengers
and everything going on, that is

1811
01:44:39,720 --> 01:44:44,480
actually a scene from Doomsday.
The Russo brothers were the ones

1812
01:44:44,480 --> 01:44:48,400
who actually filmed that in
credit scene and they put it in

1813
01:44:48,400 --> 01:44:51,600
the movie.
So I'm wondering if they are

1814
01:44:51,600 --> 01:44:56,160
going to at least address a
little bit of that because

1815
01:44:56,760 --> 01:45:00,800
Avengers Doomsday is like
they're gonna have all of these

1816
01:45:00,800 --> 01:45:03,400
people 'cause I think what was
it on the on the initial

1817
01:45:03,400 --> 01:45:06,320
reveals?
Like was it 33 characters?

1818
01:45:07,480 --> 01:45:14,320
Maybe not quite that many, but
it was it was quite a few. 32

1819
01:45:15,800 --> 01:45:18,400
yeah, for some reason I want to
say it's 25, something like

1820
01:45:18,400 --> 01:45:20,080
that.
But when is it coming out?

1821
01:45:21,080 --> 01:45:27,080
2026, I think.
Next year, 2727 I think.

1822
01:45:27,680 --> 01:45:30,800
Do we get another movie before
then besides Fantastic Four?

1823
01:45:33,040 --> 01:45:35,120
Nope, I'm not sure.
That's it.

1824
01:45:35,120 --> 01:45:38,240
That leads her to another X-Men
or anything?

1825
01:45:38,240 --> 01:45:44,520
Nothing.
Not that I'm aware of because I

1826
01:45:44,520 --> 01:45:47,640
think the only other movie that
was supposed to come out was

1827
01:45:47,640 --> 01:45:51,320
Blade and you know, that I think
is scrapped.

1828
01:45:52,240 --> 01:45:54,720
But you know what why y'all
looking at Another thing I want

1829
01:45:54,720 --> 01:45:57,600
to add even though I said that
about they didn't show like the

1830
01:45:57,680 --> 01:46:02,240
end thing but it was kind of
good that a lot of people see

1831
01:46:03,160 --> 01:46:08,480
MCU movies and it can say like
even the superheroes, even the

1832
01:46:08,480 --> 01:46:10,280
ones who are assassins and
stuff.

1833
01:46:10,280 --> 01:46:12,520
Everyone has different issues.
Yeah.

1834
01:46:13,720 --> 01:46:16,040
And we got to deal with it and
someone as simple as Bob, who

1835
01:46:16,040 --> 01:46:21,080
was just completely normal.
It's not through a lot we have.

1836
01:46:21,400 --> 01:46:25,360
Iron Heart coming out soon.
Yeah, that's television or

1837
01:46:25,360 --> 01:46:28,680
movie.
The television as far as movie

1838
01:46:28,680 --> 01:46:32,360
it does say online.
Avengers Doomsday is releasing

1839
01:46:32,360 --> 01:46:34,320
May 1st, 2020.
Six.

1840
01:46:35,800 --> 01:46:37,640
Yeah, I see that.
OK.

1841
01:46:38,200 --> 01:46:40,360
All right.
So, OK, yeah.

1842
01:46:41,720 --> 01:46:44,440
Everything else is a series
series.

1843
01:46:45,360 --> 01:46:47,400
When is that from that July
25th?

1844
01:46:47,400 --> 01:46:49,000
July 25th.
Yeah.

1845
01:46:50,200 --> 01:46:57,800
So, yeah, but OK, yeah, I, like
I said, I love the way that they

1846
01:46:57,800 --> 01:47:04,400
kind of did the the Oh my God,
my mind just went blank.

1847
01:47:04,400 --> 01:47:05,520
What do they call it?
The rooms.

1848
01:47:05,720 --> 01:47:07,440
The Rooms.
The.

1849
01:47:07,440 --> 01:47:10,120
Shame rooms, the shame rooms,
yes, I like the way that they

1850
01:47:10,120 --> 01:47:14,280
did the shame rooms.
If only were so easy to

1851
01:47:14,280 --> 01:47:19,840
compartmentalize things and just
kind of push them away until we

1852
01:47:19,840 --> 01:47:24,000
wanted to deal with them.
But I I do like the way that

1853
01:47:24,000 --> 01:47:26,880
they did that and the fact that
they were able to.

1854
01:47:29,200 --> 01:47:33,360
I I think I really like the fact
that you have all these

1855
01:47:33,360 --> 01:47:38,720
characters who pretty much have
their own issues to deal with.

1856
01:47:38,720 --> 01:47:42,800
And they, they really are at
that point kind of like, OK,

1857
01:47:42,800 --> 01:47:44,640
well, you know, you have your
thing to deal with.

1858
01:47:44,640 --> 01:47:46,240
I have my own thing to deal
with.

1859
01:47:46,240 --> 01:47:48,800
Kind of like what John Walker
said, every man for itself.

1860
01:47:49,640 --> 01:47:52,600
But then when you see what's
going on with this character and

1861
01:47:52,600 --> 01:47:56,560
you're like, OK, there may be a
way for us to say both of them.

1862
01:47:56,920 --> 01:48:01,200
And they go in no hesitation.
No, it's like no discussion.

1863
01:48:01,200 --> 01:48:04,880
Like, literally Ghost is getting
ready to go into the boy.

1864
01:48:04,880 --> 01:48:07,880
And Bucky's like, what?
What if you disappear, too?

1865
01:48:07,880 --> 01:48:09,160
She was like, but what if we
don't?

1866
01:48:09,600 --> 01:48:11,920
And then when they have the
conversation, John was like,

1867
01:48:11,920 --> 01:48:15,680
yeah, I do recall seeing
something when he touched me,

1868
01:48:15,680 --> 01:48:17,240
they were like, oh, OK, let's
go.

1869
01:48:17,720 --> 01:48:22,040
And they went in to to do that.
And they were like, OK, so if

1870
01:48:22,040 --> 01:48:24,480
this is how we got to get out,
you got to show us the worst

1871
01:48:24,480 --> 01:48:26,080
room.
And they were willing to go

1872
01:48:26,080 --> 01:48:31,080
through all of that with him.
I I like that because a lot of

1873
01:48:31,080 --> 01:48:34,560
times when, you know, when
people are dealing with their

1874
01:48:34,560 --> 01:48:36,760
own things, when they're dealing
with their trauma, when they're

1875
01:48:36,920 --> 01:48:42,480
dealing with whatever, we're
always expecting our friends to

1876
01:48:42,480 --> 01:48:45,520
be the ones to help us through,
not necessarily strangers,

1877
01:48:45,520 --> 01:48:47,960
unless you are in therapy,
because most of the time when

1878
01:48:47,960 --> 01:48:50,080
you go to therapy, you're going
to somebody you don't know.

1879
01:48:50,520 --> 01:48:56,480
But just in this context, it was
just interesting to see these,

1880
01:48:56,600 --> 01:49:01,360
these characters who want our
superheroes to don't get along.

1881
01:49:01,800 --> 01:49:05,160
Three are like, OK, who is this
guy?

1882
01:49:05,240 --> 01:49:08,960
OK, this is a guy we knew for a
few hours and that all of a

1883
01:49:08,960 --> 01:49:10,880
sudden he's powerful enough to
do this.

1884
01:49:11,160 --> 01:49:13,120
Like we should be trying to take
him down.

1885
01:49:13,120 --> 01:49:15,960
That's what you would think that
most superheroes would be doing.

1886
01:49:16,280 --> 01:49:18,480
But instead of that, they were
like, OK, let's see how we can

1887
01:49:18,480 --> 01:49:21,200
help him.
And it made a lot of the

1888
01:49:21,200 --> 01:49:23,880
difference the.
Hero they didn't mean, I said

1889
01:49:24,040 --> 01:49:25,880
that's what They didn't need him
as a superhero.

1890
01:49:25,880 --> 01:49:27,440
Yeah, didn't need him as a
threat.

1891
01:49:27,440 --> 01:49:30,000
They met him as a regular dude.
Yeah.

1892
01:49:31,640 --> 01:49:37,000
So do you give John to begin
with, you give John some credit

1893
01:49:37,120 --> 01:49:39,680
for not having to the to the
void.

1894
01:49:40,640 --> 01:49:43,320
I mean, he went into the void.
He went into the.

1895
01:49:43,440 --> 01:49:45,200
Void went to go help.
He did.

1896
01:49:45,200 --> 01:49:47,480
He went to go help.
He could have stood outside and

1897
01:49:47,480 --> 01:49:49,400
waiting for him.
And that meant he had to go

1898
01:49:49,400 --> 01:49:52,200
through his same room.
Yeah, to get through.

1899
01:49:52,960 --> 01:49:55,480
Rooms.
Yeah, yeah, many, many rooms

1900
01:49:55,480 --> 01:49:58,280
that.
Should count many, many, many,

1901
01:49:58,280 --> 01:49:59,520
many.
Yeah, that should count

1902
01:50:01,040 --> 01:50:02,560
something a little bit.
Whatever.

1903
01:50:03,360 --> 01:50:07,720
I also like the fact.
I also like the fact that they

1904
01:50:07,720 --> 01:50:13,360
took they used the same actress
for young Yelena in this movie

1905
01:50:13,360 --> 01:50:16,320
that they did in Black Widow.
It's it's the same little

1906
01:50:16,440 --> 01:50:18,480
actress.
And I was like, she looks

1907
01:50:18,480 --> 01:50:20,120
familiar.
And when I went to go look her

1908
01:50:20,120 --> 01:50:22,880
up, I was like, oh, that was the
one who played little bitty

1909
01:50:23,080 --> 01:50:25,680
Yelena in Black Widow.
So I like that.

1910
01:50:28,840 --> 01:50:30,960
What was your favorite part of
the film?

1911
01:50:36,320 --> 01:50:37,880
On everybody speaking once
there's.

1912
01:50:39,800 --> 01:50:44,240
So many.
Yeah, I don't know.

1913
01:50:44,280 --> 01:50:48,160
I I.
Think the I think the the the

1914
01:50:48,280 --> 01:50:52,440
chicken strung out on meth
hitting everybody was hilarious

1915
01:50:52,440 --> 01:50:56,680
because when they were talking
about their past before and he

1916
01:50:56,680 --> 01:51:03,040
said something about I was AI
dressed up as a chicken holding

1917
01:51:03,040 --> 01:51:05,400
a sign or something but I got a
meth.

1918
01:51:05,720 --> 01:51:10,040
I missed what he said because he
said it so fast and so low like

1919
01:51:10,040 --> 01:51:13,600
he was embarrassed about it.
So when I saw it in the the

1920
01:51:13,600 --> 01:51:16,920
first time I had no clue what
the fuck was going on.

1921
01:51:16,920 --> 01:51:19,040
I was like why the fuck is there
a chicken hitting me?

1922
01:51:22,920 --> 01:51:24,680
He said you hit me one more
time.

1923
01:51:28,040 --> 01:51:30,480
So yeah, that was that was one
of my favorite parts because I

1924
01:51:30,480 --> 01:51:30,920
don't.
Know.

1925
01:51:31,440 --> 01:51:34,400
Totally unexpected.
I like the limo ride.

1926
01:51:34,840 --> 01:51:36,200
You know what I'm about to say
that.

1927
01:51:36,200 --> 01:51:39,840
And when Bucky came up like
Terminator 2 and all that, all

1928
01:51:39,840 --> 01:51:42,720
of that, that whole all.
Of that him coming up the

1929
01:51:42,760 --> 01:51:44,520
mountain in the limo and she's
like.

1930
01:51:45,240 --> 01:51:48,320
Who's that?
He come down, he's like, Oh no,

1931
01:51:48,320 --> 01:51:52,160
is.
Daddy coming to kill you.

1932
01:51:52,840 --> 01:51:56,920
And him trying to turn on the
the special stuff and Genuine's

1933
01:51:56,920 --> 01:51:59,320
pony comes on and they're like,
what is going on?

1934
01:51:59,480 --> 01:52:01,640
And Elena was like, who are you
trying?

1935
01:52:03,720 --> 01:52:05,320
They're like this is
bulletproof.

1936
01:52:05,680 --> 01:52:09,280
Is someone.
Right, that whole, that whole

1937
01:52:09,280 --> 01:52:11,560
limo scene, to me, I was just
like.

1938
01:52:13,160 --> 01:52:17,640
Yeah, my my favorite scene is in
the trailers and it's a very

1939
01:52:17,640 --> 01:52:21,240
simple scene.
It's where the truck is rolling

1940
01:52:21,480 --> 01:52:26,160
and Becky blocks the truck over.
Yes.

1941
01:52:26,320 --> 01:52:28,840
It said.
I don't know.

1942
01:52:28,840 --> 01:52:32,080
I think that that says a lot
about his character.

1943
01:52:32,760 --> 01:52:35,480
I like that scene.
Yeah, I mean, I like when they

1944
01:52:35,480 --> 01:52:37,040
got their butts beat.
Beat too.

1945
01:52:37,600 --> 01:52:40,480
Yeah, Together.
No, I like how he threw the

1946
01:52:40,480 --> 01:52:42,520
guardian out of the window and
he brought.

1947
01:52:43,200 --> 01:52:46,400
Him back.
Yeah, I was like, oh, I mean, it

1948
01:52:46,400 --> 01:52:49,560
was great, but they were in
pieces.

1949
01:52:49,640 --> 01:52:52,920
But he was in pieces.
But see, again, that shows that

1950
01:52:53,080 --> 01:52:54,880
he wasn't because he couldn't
throw him out the window and let

1951
01:52:54,880 --> 01:52:58,200
him fall.
Yeah, but he wasn't.

1952
01:52:58,760 --> 01:53:02,080
He wasn't trying to kill.
Them because he could have oh,

1953
01:53:03,240 --> 01:53:05,960
very different he but he didn't
do that.

1954
01:53:06,280 --> 01:53:08,280
Yeah, well, at that point they
were his friends.

1955
01:53:08,600 --> 01:53:10,280
Yeah, they tried to help him.
He'd know.

1956
01:53:10,280 --> 01:53:11,400
Help him.
So.

1957
01:53:12,000 --> 01:53:17,320
Yeah, so, but I, I think he felt
probably just a little bit more

1958
01:53:18,440 --> 01:53:21,560
kind of indebted to Valentina
because if it wasn't for her, he

1959
01:53:21,560 --> 01:53:24,040
wouldn't even have those powers.
So I.

1960
01:53:24,040 --> 01:53:25,200
Don't know.
I don't.

1961
01:53:26,440 --> 01:53:28,600
Think he was a dead.
Attorney No, I don't think he

1962
01:53:28,600 --> 01:53:30,760
was.
I think he just found he thought

1963
01:53:30,760 --> 01:53:34,120
that she would be.
She came in maternal.

1964
01:53:35,120 --> 01:53:36,720
You didn't notice how she
switched?

1965
01:53:36,720 --> 01:53:38,800
She switched that on.
She came in maternal.

1966
01:53:38,800 --> 01:53:41,160
So he was thinking, you know,
someone to take care of them.

1967
01:53:41,640 --> 01:53:45,760
Another scene for me is when
Bucky, right, Bucky didn't

1968
01:53:45,760 --> 01:53:47,920
believe none of them when he had
them tied up.

1969
01:53:48,160 --> 01:53:52,480
They were trying to explain he's
like, whatever, I don't trust.

1970
01:53:52,520 --> 01:53:56,560
You then he gets the phone call
and he was like huh, wait, you

1971
01:53:56,560 --> 01:53:59,200
said his name is Bob and.
Everybody's like.

1972
01:53:59,720 --> 01:54:00,720
Bob.
Bob, we said.

1973
01:54:00,880 --> 01:54:05,680
Bob Yeah.
That was fun, he said.

1974
01:54:05,920 --> 01:54:09,480
OK, let me untie you.
You have fought aliens, you have

1975
01:54:09,480 --> 01:54:14,000
fought, look, you have fought
the big Three like Sam says you

1976
01:54:14,000 --> 01:54:15,400
have.
How?

1977
01:54:15,520 --> 01:54:18,080
How can you not believe
something as simple as this?

1978
01:54:18,280 --> 01:54:21,240
Like it's not, it's not out of
I.

1979
01:54:21,800 --> 01:54:24,080
Mean not like he wouldn't
believe it.

1980
01:54:24,080 --> 01:54:25,400
He just didn't believe it from
them.

1981
01:54:25,400 --> 01:54:29,000
Yeah, Yeah, you know what I'm
saying If it was a different

1982
01:54:29,360 --> 01:54:33,280
group of people if Sam said it,
he would have been like, where

1983
01:54:33,280 --> 01:54:36,560
we going where you need me to be
you know what I'm saying?

1984
01:54:37,600 --> 01:54:38,840
He he didn't.
Yeah, he's.

1985
01:54:38,880 --> 01:54:41,040
Absolutely not.
Yeah, I was just saying that

1986
01:54:41,160 --> 01:54:43,640
all.
That all of them were.

1987
01:54:43,640 --> 01:54:47,080
Saying.
It unlikely Bunch was saying the

1988
01:54:47,080 --> 01:54:49,080
same thing.
That would have been enough to

1989
01:54:49,080 --> 01:54:54,160
give me pause.
Like, OK, this doesn't look like

1990
01:54:54,160 --> 01:54:57,520
a team that plays well together.
So the fact that they're all

1991
01:54:57,520 --> 01:55:00,440
saying the same thing, maybe I.
Need they were all in the limo.

1992
01:55:00,440 --> 01:55:01,280
He didn't care.
I.

1993
01:55:03,120 --> 01:55:04,800
Thought he was coming to help,
now he coming.

1994
01:55:04,880 --> 01:55:07,280
To Yeah, they were.
They were like, oh, Bucky's

1995
01:55:07,280 --> 01:55:08,880
here.
Oh no.

1996
01:55:12,040 --> 01:55:16,920
John Walker's like Bucky, bro.
Bucky wasn't your friend then.

1997
01:55:17,120 --> 01:55:19,880
He ain't your friend now.
I don't know why you so excited.

1998
01:55:23,200 --> 01:55:25,560
I think my favorite parts were
all the ones were Bucky was in

1999
01:55:25,560 --> 01:55:27,000
them.
Of course they were.

2000
01:55:27,240 --> 01:55:31,480
Of course, of course.
And the ones where John Walker

2001
01:55:31,480 --> 01:55:34,120
was not.
Right.

2002
01:55:34,600 --> 01:55:38,400
I mean, well, I I will say this
and I said this during Falcon in

2003
01:55:38,400 --> 01:55:41,120
The Winter Soldier when he got
into the fight with the door

2004
01:55:41,120 --> 01:55:45,360
Milaje watching John Walker get
his ass kicked will never get

2005
01:55:45,360 --> 01:55:49,960
old to me.
So it was, it was fine, but no,

2006
01:55:50,000 --> 01:55:55,720
I, I did like seeing them all
kind of band together at the

2007
01:55:55,840 --> 01:56:02,800
end, John Walker included,
Because I, I really, I think it

2008
01:56:02,800 --> 01:56:10,840
does say something to him that
he was the one that was given,

2009
01:56:11,160 --> 01:56:13,800
you know, Bob, all the shit
throughout the movie.

2010
01:56:14,000 --> 01:56:16,520
But then at the end when
everybody else stepped in, he

2011
01:56:16,520 --> 01:56:19,960
could have easily been like, I'm
not going to do this, but he was

2012
01:56:20,000 --> 01:56:22,840
like, OK, this only works if we
all do it together.

2013
01:56:23,080 --> 01:56:24,880
So I will give him the credit
for that.

2014
01:56:25,080 --> 01:56:28,800
Now, whatever he does in the
future, it just all depends.

2015
01:56:28,800 --> 01:56:33,440
But I just I don't like his
attitude and it and.

2016
01:56:33,440 --> 01:56:38,880
It may be better now that he's
on a team and he gets some

2017
01:56:39,120 --> 01:56:42,400
validation and start.
Some account and he's he's.

2018
01:56:42,400 --> 01:56:44,640
I start.
Stealing and start stealing,

2019
01:56:45,120 --> 01:56:46,360
right?
But I like what if he said we

2020
01:56:46,360 --> 01:56:49,120
don't know.
He may, he may say those things

2021
01:56:49,120 --> 01:56:52,240
to himself, but he's not going
to tell perfect strangers that

2022
01:56:52,240 --> 01:56:56,400
he feel bad about what he did in
the past and stuff.

2023
01:56:56,400 --> 01:56:57,880
But he don't walk around like
that either.

2024
01:56:58,360 --> 01:57:02,320
But we know he feels bad because
he's told his close people they

2025
01:57:02,560 --> 01:57:05,200
feel bad.
Yeah, so.

2026
01:57:05,480 --> 01:57:07,840
Maybe Doc, maybe he called
Doctor Rayner and said, Hey,

2027
01:57:07,840 --> 01:57:11,400
Doctor Rayner, I got a couple
more people for you to help,

2028
01:57:11,600 --> 01:57:12,440
right?
Right.

2029
01:57:13,400 --> 01:57:16,360
And we have a session and then
my my last favorite was that

2030
01:57:16,440 --> 01:57:19,520
which is the the bonus scene of
them talking about Avengers

2031
01:57:19,520 --> 01:57:21,960
saying with AZ.
Baby.

2032
01:57:22,680 --> 01:57:24,760
OK.
There's no and there's they

2033
01:57:24,760 --> 01:57:28,400
don't have the license.
So this is my issue with that

2034
01:57:28,400 --> 01:57:30,560
scene.
This is probably the only issue

2035
01:57:30,560 --> 01:57:35,520
I had with the entire movie
because that scene takes place

2036
01:57:35,600 --> 01:57:39,920
14 months later and they're
talking about the issue with The

2037
01:57:39,920 --> 01:57:42,680
Avengers and New Avengers
because we know and Captain

2038
01:57:42,680 --> 01:57:46,200
America braved the world,
President Ross was going to task

2039
01:57:46,200 --> 01:57:49,040
Sam with restarting The
Avengers.

2040
01:57:49,040 --> 01:57:52,920
So this becomes a point of
contention in that post credits

2041
01:57:52,920 --> 01:57:57,040
scene because apparently Bucky
and Sam have had a conversation.

2042
01:57:57,040 --> 01:58:00,640
Sam is, you know, like, hey, no,
I have The Avengers.

2043
01:58:00,640 --> 01:58:02,720
You guys can't have the name,
blah, blah, blah.

2044
01:58:03,720 --> 01:58:08,160
And they hint at some, you know,
like a little bit of disturbance

2045
01:58:08,160 --> 01:58:11,360
in between Sam and Bucket.
I don't like that you are you

2046
01:58:11,360 --> 01:58:14,200
are fucking with my my dream
team.

2047
01:58:14,440 --> 01:58:18,880
I don't like.
This see it that way I see like

2048
01:58:18,880 --> 01:58:22,120
they agree to disagree because
he didn't seem like he had heart

2049
01:58:22,120 --> 01:58:23,760
feeling he just like I talked to
him.

2050
01:58:23,760 --> 01:58:26,280
I mean like he's saying no, I
mean.

2051
01:58:26,840 --> 01:58:29,960
I understand.
Points it look like I understand

2052
01:58:29,960 --> 01:58:32,400
his points now.
I mean, we assassins and stuff.

2053
01:58:32,400 --> 01:58:34,400
I get it.
He trying to.

2054
01:58:34,640 --> 01:58:36,880
You know, you know what?
And I don't even think that

2055
01:58:36,880 --> 01:58:42,160
would be the issue with Sam.
I think it's probably more so

2056
01:58:42,160 --> 01:58:45,720
the issue that Valentina might
be over it.

2057
01:58:46,360 --> 01:58:50,360
I feel like that might be, that
might be the issue because, you

2058
01:58:50,360 --> 01:58:53,000
know, they went through this
whole thing with the Accords

2059
01:58:53,000 --> 01:58:55,840
where the government was over
it.

2060
01:58:55,840 --> 01:59:00,960
And if I'm not mistaken, in
Brave New World, Ross said that

2061
01:59:01,240 --> 01:59:06,040
Sam would have, you know, final
say on everything, but he wanted

2062
01:59:06,040 --> 01:59:09,120
them to work together.
So it wouldn't be a project

2063
01:59:09,120 --> 01:59:12,040
that's being overseen by the
government or, you know, the

2064
01:59:12,040 --> 01:59:15,280
government is in charge.
Sam is actually in charge, and

2065
01:59:15,280 --> 01:59:20,560
with New Avengers, Valentina
very much put herself in the

2066
01:59:20,560 --> 01:59:22,720
forefront.
Oh, this is what I've been

2067
01:59:22,720 --> 01:59:25,080
working on and this is my team
in Black.

2068
01:59:25,280 --> 01:59:32,200
I think that might be the issue,
which for me, I feel like the

2069
01:59:32,200 --> 01:59:34,400
rest of them should have that
issue too.

2070
01:59:34,400 --> 01:59:38,000
But I think at this point
they're probably like, OK, you

2071
01:59:38,000 --> 01:59:40,880
know, like you said, we're a
bunch of assassins.

2072
01:59:41,680 --> 01:59:44,640
We got a little rebranding to do
for ourselves.

2073
01:59:45,240 --> 01:59:50,360
You know, Bucky is already known
and kind of sort of trusted in

2074
01:59:50,360 --> 01:59:53,280
in the regular world now,
especially since, you know, his

2075
01:59:53,280 --> 01:59:55,840
background has been revealed.
He was brainwashed, blah, blah,

2076
01:59:55,840 --> 01:59:58,480
blah.
The rest of them, not so much.

2077
01:59:58,760 --> 02:00:03,440
So they're probably like, OK,
we'll do this if it allows us to

2078
02:00:03,440 --> 02:00:06,400
do what we want to do, be hero,
save people.

2079
02:00:06,960 --> 02:00:08,840
We just have to deal with
Valentina.

2080
02:00:09,200 --> 02:00:12,160
But still, just the way that
they brought that scene when

2081
02:00:12,160 --> 02:00:13,720
they were like, I thought you
was going to talk to him.

2082
02:00:13,720 --> 02:00:16,600
He's like I did.
And it didn't go well.

2083
02:00:16,600 --> 02:00:18,680
I was like, yeah, I'm messing
with my team.

2084
02:00:18,680 --> 02:00:20,720
I don't like this.
I don't like it.

2085
02:00:21,640 --> 02:00:23,720
But.
I was going to say, I wonder if

2086
02:00:23,720 --> 02:00:27,080
he asked him to join his
Avengers team.

2087
02:00:27,600 --> 02:00:33,880
He probably did say it's too
many, but I do like how they

2088
02:00:33,880 --> 02:00:36,680
connected Fantastic Four because
I don't really don't know how I

2089
02:00:36,680 --> 02:00:41,440
feel about that Fantastic Four,
but they're bringing it to, you

2090
02:00:41,440 --> 02:00:44,760
know, our time.
OK, Yeah.

2091
02:00:44,760 --> 02:00:47,680
I asked me my opinion after
Fantastic Four because I have

2092
02:00:47,680 --> 02:00:52,040
mixed reviews.
Yeah, I think that was going to

2093
02:00:52,040 --> 02:00:57,240
be interesting the the trailer
that they've released so far for

2094
02:00:57,240 --> 02:01:01,400
it.
It doesn't really give us much

2095
02:01:01,400 --> 02:01:04,240
to go on.
I mean, most of us are familiar

2096
02:01:04,240 --> 02:01:07,160
with at least the basics of Fat
Fantastic Four, even if we

2097
02:01:07,160 --> 02:01:11,560
aren't comic book readers.
But I'm just kind of.

2098
02:01:13,080 --> 02:01:15,520
I've been told about four times
already so.

2099
02:01:16,440 --> 02:01:18,400
Do what?
I said, ain't the story been

2100
02:01:18,400 --> 02:01:20,080
told about four times already?
So.

2101
02:01:22,120 --> 02:01:25,080
Well, you know that.
I mean, that's how they do with

2102
02:01:25,080 --> 02:01:26,880
comic books.
I mean, how many, how many

2103
02:01:26,880 --> 02:01:31,800
Batman variations have we had?
Spider Man.

2104
02:01:32,200 --> 02:01:37,120
Spider Man, Superman, and we got
another Superman coming out this

2105
02:01:37,120 --> 02:01:40,080
year.
So so yeah, we know that.

2106
02:01:40,080 --> 02:01:44,120
We know the basics.
I'm cautiously optimistic just

2107
02:01:44,120 --> 02:01:47,000
because Pedro is in it and I
love Pedro and everything he

2108
02:01:47,000 --> 02:01:50,920
does.
But and Eddie, but Oh yeah.

2109
02:01:51,360 --> 02:01:53,280
But but we'll see.
We'll see.

2110
02:01:53,280 --> 02:01:55,280
We will.
I'm going to reserve my

2111
02:01:55,280 --> 02:02:01,360
expectations just like I did
within the Bulls because other

2112
02:02:01,360 --> 02:02:05,760
ones is really, really good and
and they haven't hasn't been a

2113
02:02:05,760 --> 02:02:08,480
really good MCU movie in a
minute.

2114
02:02:09,120 --> 02:02:12,040
A lot of people are saying this
is the best one since end game.

2115
02:02:14,040 --> 02:02:17,360
Yeah, I could go along.
With that, I can go with that.

2116
02:02:17,360 --> 02:02:20,920
Yeah, I can go with that.
I can go with that because I you

2117
02:02:20,920 --> 02:02:23,160
can't even we can't really think
of a name.

2118
02:02:23,160 --> 02:02:26,800
Any that came after the end game
qualimania.

2119
02:02:26,840 --> 02:02:29,080
Nope.
Shang Shi.

2120
02:02:29,640 --> 02:02:34,160
Shang Shi.
Oh, OK, Yeah, that's.

2121
02:02:34,400 --> 02:02:37,440
OK, I mean, they're they've had
some good ones, but that's.

2122
02:02:37,440 --> 02:02:39,680
A plus.
They've had a good.

2123
02:02:39,800 --> 02:02:41,640
One, yeah, I must say that was
it.

2124
02:02:41,760 --> 02:02:44,080
And then then, yeah.
So, yeah, that was it.

2125
02:02:45,080 --> 02:02:47,680
So a teen movie.
It's with a teen verse of

2126
02:02:47,680 --> 02:02:52,040
madness.
That was good.

2127
02:02:52,040 --> 02:02:54,440
You know what?
That was good.

2128
02:02:54,440 --> 02:02:57,560
But we know how we felt, how
they did Wanda.

2129
02:02:57,560 --> 02:03:00,680
So yeah, that's that was the
problem.

2130
02:03:00,760 --> 02:03:01,720
It was good way.
Home.

2131
02:03:04,280 --> 02:03:06,160
Now Spider man know what
happened, but that's not.

2132
02:03:06,280 --> 02:03:09,240
Necessarily MCU movie.
Yeah, it is.

2133
02:03:09,520 --> 02:03:13,960
Mix it is, but it's a mix.
You can't find it on Disney

2134
02:03:13,960 --> 02:03:16,920
Plus?
Sony telly ain't no MCU movie.

2135
02:03:16,960 --> 02:03:19,720
Yeah, OK.
OK, alright.

2136
02:03:20,080 --> 02:03:24,200
So yeah, that was great.
Yeah, so.

2137
02:03:24,640 --> 02:03:28,400
That can beat that one, OK.
Yeah, but I, I think as far as

2138
02:03:28,400 --> 02:03:30,920
ensemble.
Pieces this yeah, that was that

2139
02:03:30,920 --> 02:03:32,520
was that was.
Yeah.

2140
02:03:33,360 --> 02:03:38,480
But I got to watch that again
now, Spider man.

2141
02:03:39,440 --> 02:03:43,640
Yeah, OK.
Do we have anything else to talk

2142
02:03:43,640 --> 02:03:45,200
about?
I know Anthony, you took some

2143
02:03:45,200 --> 02:03:47,760
notes.
Did do you have anything?

2144
02:03:49,440 --> 02:03:52,120
I was able to sneak them all in.
I got them all in.

2145
02:03:53,520 --> 02:03:56,200
OK.
So overall, we're all we're all

2146
02:03:56,200 --> 02:04:02,160
like very happy with this movie.
OK, let's see.

2147
02:04:02,160 --> 02:04:07,640
I think coming up next, they
have Iron Heart which comes out

2148
02:04:07,640 --> 02:04:12,360
in June and I'm kind of worried
about that because there has

2149
02:04:12,360 --> 02:04:15,120
been almost no marketing for
that show.

2150
02:04:15,880 --> 02:04:19,160
I feel like there's that.
I feel like there's there's self

2151
02:04:19,160 --> 02:04:21,880
sabotaging it already.
Really.

2152
02:04:22,160 --> 02:04:26,200
Yeah, I I feel that way and I
don't know.

2153
02:04:26,960 --> 02:04:29,960
I don't know.
We'll see when it comes out.

2154
02:04:30,760 --> 02:04:32,400
Very similar to Brave New
Worlds.

2155
02:04:32,440 --> 02:04:35,360
OK, go ahead.
Yeah, we'll see when it comes

2156
02:04:35,520 --> 02:04:41,160
out because it has to be good
because it's going to set up, it

2157
02:04:41,160 --> 02:04:48,120
may set up the Armor Wars, which
is supposed to come out next

2158
02:04:48,120 --> 02:04:50,920
year.
So they have to be very, they

2159
02:04:50,920 --> 02:04:53,920
have to be very careful with
with what's going on with this.

2160
02:04:53,920 --> 02:04:56,360
One well is I.
Think Honor Awards isn't coming

2161
02:04:56,360 --> 02:05:00,600
out till 2027?
OK, you get after next.

2162
02:05:01,440 --> 02:05:05,440
So is it Ironheart comic book
already?

2163
02:05:05,480 --> 02:05:10,720
Yeah, like in the past.
I mean, yeah.

2164
02:05:11,200 --> 02:05:12,920
'Cause people, I think people
are forgetting that.

2165
02:05:12,920 --> 02:05:15,600
Depends on what you think is
past, but yeah.

2166
02:05:15,680 --> 02:05:18,880
I think people are forgetting
that yeah, because some some

2167
02:05:18,880 --> 02:05:21,520
things I'm singing they're
saying is woke and I'm like,

2168
02:05:21,520 --> 02:05:24,680
well this was in the comic book,
so it's not I don't even pay

2169
02:05:24,760 --> 02:05:27,520
attention to anybody.
They're changing things like I'm

2170
02:05:27,520 --> 02:05:31,720
confused or like y'all
forgetting what was in the comic

2171
02:05:31,720 --> 02:05:31,960
book.
They.

2172
02:05:33,640 --> 02:05:35,560
Don't care or.
Yeah, I was going to say they

2173
02:05:36,440 --> 02:05:39,600
don't care.
Anything that serves up

2174
02:05:39,600 --> 02:05:42,480
controversy and gives them
clicks and views.

2175
02:05:43,720 --> 02:05:45,840
Just like people.
Just like people were mad.

2176
02:05:46,280 --> 02:05:50,360
Sam Wilson is not my Captain
America in the comics, Yes, he

2177
02:05:50,560 --> 02:05:53,200
is.
You know, it's like this.

2178
02:05:53,280 --> 02:05:54,560
This.
Thing He has been in for a

2179
02:05:54,560 --> 02:05:56,480
second and realized I'm not
worthy.

2180
02:05:56,800 --> 02:06:01,640
I mean like it.
Was in I'm not worthy.

2181
02:06:01,640 --> 02:06:03,680
He was.
Captain's not dead.

2182
02:06:03,680 --> 02:06:09,400
I'm just thinking.
I just watched in game again so

2183
02:06:09,400 --> 02:06:11,560
you know.
That's all my.

2184
02:06:11,560 --> 02:06:16,520
Students so so I mean literally
last weekend, so you know, I

2185
02:06:16,520 --> 02:06:21,600
watched my favorite scene.
OK, Well, I think we've touched

2186
02:06:21,600 --> 02:06:25,400
on pretty much everything that
this movie talked about.

2187
02:06:25,400 --> 02:06:28,480
I know we didn't get into like a
lot of detail detail, but I

2188
02:06:28,480 --> 02:06:34,120
mean, we talked, we we touched
on the the important stuff

2189
02:06:34,120 --> 02:06:39,520
because this movie had a lot of
layers to it had a lot going on.

2190
02:06:39,520 --> 02:06:43,680
And we could have sat here for
probably another hour talking

2191
02:06:43,680 --> 02:06:45,800
about it.
But as it is, we've been on here

2192
02:06:45,800 --> 02:06:49,920
for two hours, hasn't changed.
So I think we're going to wrap

2193
02:06:49,920 --> 02:06:53,640
it up.
Let's see, like I said, we have

2194
02:06:53,640 --> 02:06:57,800
Iron Heart coming out in June
and then Fantastic Four is

2195
02:06:57,800 --> 02:07:00,480
coming out in July.
So we will be covering those.

2196
02:07:00,480 --> 02:07:04,080
So look out for those, but for
now, that is it for our show.

2197
02:07:04,320 --> 02:07:07,800
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2198
02:07:07,800 --> 02:07:10,840
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2199
02:07:10,840 --> 02:07:12,840
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2200
02:07:12,840 --> 02:07:14,720
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2201
02:07:14,720 --> 02:07:17,760
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2202
02:07:17,760 --> 02:07:20,320
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2203
02:07:20,320 --> 02:07:22,120
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2204
02:07:49,680 --> 02:07:49,920
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