Marvel's What If...? S3E2 - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #331

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What's up, hybrids?
Welcome back to another episode

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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast.
This is Hanukkah and I'm here

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with Anthony and Mike and we are
discussing season 3, episode 2

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of Marvel's What If series.
And this is the episode What If

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Agatha went to Hollywood.
And as you can guess by my

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screen name was not really not
really feeling Agatha in this in

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this episode, but we will get to
that.

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But since Anthony was not on our
discussion for the first

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episode, I want to kind of
backtrack really quickly and get

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Anthony's thoughts about Episode
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What did you think about the
third season premiere?

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OK so first this is not going to
be long.

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I'm not going to belabor the
point.

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I was somewhat disappointed in
the 1st episode.

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I don't know it it was weird
watching like a mash up of

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Voltron, Pacific Rim and
Godzilla.

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And I was like, well, why do we
have we're already being

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derivative.
But then you cubed it like

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derivative to the third power
and I didn't I didn't care for

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it.
Not at all.

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Not one bit, not one bit, not
one bit.

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So you know, I was Needless to
say, I was disappointed.

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I was hoping for a better kick
off to the season, but as as it

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always has been, I guess with
this show, not every episode is

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going to be great.
There's going to be a hit and a

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miss and then there's a build up
ultimately.

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So, you know, we'll we'll see
where it goes.

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You know, I I didn't care for
the end of it, didn't care for

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the beginning, didn't care for
the middle.

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Yeah, it is.
Yeah, it is.

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I was, I was not happy.
I was just whatever.

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It's so funny because your
reaction is the complete

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opposite of Mike and I's
reaction because we loved it

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because of all the 80s
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No reference is fine. 2
references OK to match the three

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things with The Avengers and he
just it was too much.

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It was.
Like a love letter to the 80s.

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No, no, it's called, oh, we're
lazy.

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So hey, wouldn't it be cool if
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Pacific Rim and make it like The
Avengers versus the Hulk, and

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then the Hulk can find himself?
It's like Kaiju.

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No, no, too much.
You know what I'm I'm going into

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this new year as a changed man.
I'm going one.

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I'm going into the new year as a
changed man where I'm going to

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try to hold my face every time
Anthony says something that I

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really don't agree with and not
smirk or do anything like really

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off because Anthony is one of my
best friends.

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He is a very smart individual.
I respect everything that he

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said that he has to say about
multiple nerddoms and fandoms,

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including Star Wars, Star Trek,
Marvel, and anything that he has

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watched.
I respect his opinion.

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So I'm just going to keep my
face, and if I have to make a

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face, I'm just going to turn my
camera off like so I can't

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believe, OK, I'm good.
So that that's all I have to say

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about that.
So we don't need to go into it.

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I'm just, yeah, we can move.
We can move forward.

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Alright, let's move forward.
Let's let's, let's switch gears

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'cause now I'm about to be the
one.

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That's like what?
Because this episode of What if,

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what if Agatha went to
Hollywood?

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So I was trying to keep an open
mind because it's Agatha.

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And I think if you listen to our
episodes that we did where we

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discussed Agatha all along, you
will know that she is not one of

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my favorite characters in the
MCUI.

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Just, I don't know, something
about the way she's portrayed is

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just very off for me.
And when I was watching this

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episode, Mike messaged me and he
was like, So what did you think

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about the episode?
And I said, you know, I've come

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to the conclusion that I just
don't think I care for Katherine

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Hahn as an actress and even less
so as a voice actress because

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her her performance in this it
just, I don't know, it's just

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like the voice in the IT it
something about her voice just

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does not resonate with me.
And it really kind of kept me

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from enjoying the episode.
It's almost like, and this is

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not to say that she's a bad
actress or something, there's

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just, you know, some people,
just there's some people that

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just don't, I don't know her.
Her voice is like chalk

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scratching down a chalkboard for
me.

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And it just kind of took away
from my enjoyment for the for

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most of the episode.
I think the best part of the

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episode for me was Kingo, but
that's because I also loved him

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in the Eternals and I love the
fact that they brought the

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Eternals into this.
But again, kind of like what

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Mike and I discussed in the last
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Why would you bring us the
Eternals and put them so heavily

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into this into this storyline
when you're not giving us any

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more Eternals material?
It's just kind of like you're

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teasing us and it with no pay
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So I, I don't know, I, I, I
don't know.

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What do you guys think?
Let's, I don't want to be, I

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don't want to be the, the, you
know, downer Debbie.

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But let's go Anthony first
'cause I already know Mike loves

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the episode.
So let's go to Anthony first.

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Anthony might split the middle.
So I I let me start by saying

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the good things.
I thought the animation in the

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episode was pretty good, except
the dancing.

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It was a little weird, but I
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that dance sequence was meant to
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I thought her dress, the
glittering, the glittering dress

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was absolutely gorgeous.
That was well animated.

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It looked really good.
It set her apart from everything

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else, which is kind of how her
personality is now.

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My dislikes in general is just
about this whole process.

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I like the Eternals.
I actually kind of like the

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movie.
Side note, I hadn't heard a

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rumor that we were going to see
the Eternals again at some

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point.
I don't know how true that's

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going to be, but the back to
this episode, I don't know why

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they're trying to force, force
Agatha on us.

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I I, I don't see the benefit of
Agatha Harkness.

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I I really don't.
And I'm like you, Hanukkah, Why

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are you giving us the eternals
here when you're probably not

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going to give us the eternals
again in any form or fashion?

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And then you kind of throw Tony
Stark in here in his weird role,

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and then Jarvis in the.
What you mean Howard Stark,

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Harold, how we start.
Yeah, how we're starting.

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And then you have them in these
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I don't know.
The whole episode was a little

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strange.
And then Agatha is not a nice

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person, so the ending kind of
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I fully expect to her to be
like, oh, that's a cool thought,

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but no, it destroys.
That's what I would.

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Do too.
Yeah.

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And I thought actually, I would
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better had she done that, if she
had this like, yeah, that sounds

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really good.
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And then she proceeded to make
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do what most of them do.
I thought that would have been

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perfect for this episode.
But no, they they didn't go that

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way.
So I don't know why they keep

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why they're trying to make
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we we want.
I don't, I don't know if the

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general audience wants any.
I think she has a, a, a she has

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a following.
That's obvious.

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I don't know if, if the
following is large enough to

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warrant this.
I don't know.

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I, it was, it was weird.
I, I don't know.

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And you know, of course Kingo
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He's funny.
He sort of brought the show up a

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little bit, but not enough to
overcome all the problems I had

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with it.
That's it.

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I think I I agree with you on
the ending of the episode.

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And it's so strange because I
remember when we were talking

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about Agatha and I was trying to
figure out what her character

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was or who she was, and I was
the one who said that maybe she

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would probably, I felt like they
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redemption for her or make her
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And you guys were the ones who
were like, no, she doesn't need

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to be nice.
Like we don't always have to

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redeem our villain characters.
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villains just because they're
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And that's what Agatha is.
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me.
So when the ending came and

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Kingo made this convoluted
speech, I really was looking at

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it as like, OK, this is about to
be the Comic Relief, 'cause

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she's about to look at him and
be like, oh, you really think

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so?
Yeah.

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No, Neil, I really was expecting
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So when it changed and they were
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nice and I was just like, what?
It just didn't seem to fit.

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And I I realized what if it's
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What if these characters were
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But one of the things about the
characters that we've seen and

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what if is that there's always
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original character or of the
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carries over into the animated.
And I just, I don't know, this

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episode was kind of weird in
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The whole Howard Stark thing
threw me off too, because you

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still have Dominic Cooper
voicing him, but he sounds like

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a totally different character.
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Howard Stark on speed or
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It's like his voice was way too
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He was too, I think.
I think The thing is he was too

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joyful and too animated for me
and I'm not used to seeing

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Howard Stark in that way.
I'm used to Howard Stark being

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very business.
When he makes his jokes or he

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makes his smart ass remarks, he
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face.
You don't really ever see Howard

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Stark like smile or anything
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So this was a bit much for me,
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Before you go, Mike, just one
thing Hanukkah touched on.

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We, I think we've talked about
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There's always a persistent
trait or characteristic or

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personality.
They're always persistent

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regardless of the what if
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It's just they make different
decisions or different

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circumstances happen, but for
the most part they're still the

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same people and then they still
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And here I don't know how,
however, Stark is sort of a show

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man.
He's wanted to control them, be

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behind.
So I, I kind of understand a

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little bit where they were going
with them.

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But some of the things he did
seem to be out of character out

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of they seem to be out of
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And the things she was doing was
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her, especially at the end.
Everything else she was doing

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was in character.
But then you get to the end and

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and she totally does a turn and
it it didn't make any any sense,

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you know, as far as our
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Yeah, OK, Mike, come on and
throw A1A180 on this discussion.

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What did you think about the
episode?

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OK, see.
So here's the thing, I am a huge

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fan of Art Deco and mid century
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Shout to Anthony for sending
that meme this morning about how

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mid century modern is elves and
art Deco is dwarfs.

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That was like, that's actually a
really good explanation for it.

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But I'm a sucker for that, for
that kind, that kind of like

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decoration.
And it was all over this episode

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and I loved it.
As far as Howard Stark acting,

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acting the way he was, I
understood it because they're

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basically turning Howard Stark
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And then because Howard Howard
Hughes was basically the same.

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He was basically Howard Stark in
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Like he was a very, he was a
very rich guy.

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He was tech savvy.
He produced films and he did a

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whole lot of, he did a whole lot
of really big things.

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And he he, he tried to have his
hands and everything.

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So that's basically what they're
doing here.

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And I think I actually really
enjoyed it.

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He reminded me of the Howard
Stark in the very first at very

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first what if episode, the 1:00
what if captain what if Captain

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Carter meant when they
introduced Captain Carter and he

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was the one that he could.
That's the that's the Howard

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Stark that he reminded me of in
this.

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I don't mind Agatha.
I agree with you all's points

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about as far as the ending.
I and like, I agree, but I see

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what they were doing because I
think they're trying to show

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that Agatha, while she was very
powerful, she, she always

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succumbs to the power of
adoration and that and they,

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they tried to use the power of
fame to get her to, to actually

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fall in line or to or to not
change everything.

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Like that's what that's what
Kingo was doing.

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He was like, you know, you like
everybody loves you.

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You can't do this.
And it's just appeal to her.

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I don't necessarily like the
ending either.

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I agree that Agatha that it
probably could have been

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different.
I did enjoy when she became a

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celestial.
I loved.

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I loved that animation, I
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That was beautiful.
That was very beautiful.

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They did an outstanding job on
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I love the fight with Irish M
where she where she brought back

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the finale in Wanda World one in
Wanda Vision where Wanda Wanda

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set up the rooms when she was
fighting Agatha in the air in

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the finale and took her powers
away.

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Because that's basically the
same thing that she did with

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erosion by shooting out out from
him and making a pentagram and

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pinning him on it and stealing
his powers.

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That's basically it's kind of a
callback.

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It's a callback to that, and I
appreciated them doing that.

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I really like this episode.
I because I guess I like this,

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this period of time.
I love.

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I like the fast talking.
This kind of reminds me of it's

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a movie called Down with Love.
It's kind of a it's kind of a

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60s and 70s.
We had you and Ellen McGregor

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and someone else and and Renee
Zellweger, I think.

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But it was a film that was set
up like the Cary Grant and the

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Audrey Hepburn movies where they
have a whole lot going on and

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they're really peppy and stuff
like that.

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And I love those movies.
So this would it gave me all

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that and I loved it.
I had and I don't know if I'm

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nitpicking, but during the dance
sequence, which I which I

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actually really liked, I was
looking at Agathist dancers and

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I was like, why are they
different colors?

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Like there's some, there's some
like if you look at it, it's

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like they, they look all of them
have blonde hair.

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All of them like have like gold,
gold outfits on, but it's like

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some of them it looked looked
like they tried to make some of

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them black and some of them
white and some of them Mexican

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and it's like it threw me off
and I was like it just looked

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really weird but I.
I didn't.

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It didn't register on on.
My second, my second on my

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second time through, I caught it
and I was in it and it just kind

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of kind of messed me up.
But I mean, other than that, I,

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I reasonably enjoyed this
episode and it yeah.

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So I'm I'm sure that they're
doing this like why they're

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producing to keep giving us the
Eternals is because of the

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Falcon movie coming up where
they're going to be mining,

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mining adamantium out of the out
of the hand that's sticking up

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out of the seat that they
brought up in the Eternals

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movie.
TMA, Yeah.

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Yeah, TMA that that that I'm
sure that's why, you know, she

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killed TMA then he she drained
team as power here.

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So they're trying to remind us
like see that guy who's going to

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be Rick?
He's coming up soon in two

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months.
So just, you know, they're

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trying to keep that in mind.
Nothing.

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I'm wondering if that's going to
be a running theme that they're

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going to do a lot of coming
soon, like drops and hints in a

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lot of these, where they're
going to have us keep in mind

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what's going to happen in the
future.

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But actually, rumor has it that
it wasn't working that well.

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So they're going to stop doing
that.

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They're going to stop making it
where you have to be either

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knowledgeable or watch the
Disney push shows that they're

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they're going to get away from
that because it's not having the

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desire effect.
So.

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Yeah, I can.
I can see that, especially

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because I, and I think we, we've
said this, we've had this

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discussion on whether or not all
the way back to one division

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about whether or not you should
have to watch the Disney Plus

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shows in order to understand
what's going on in the movies

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and vice versa.
And I, I think for a while we

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thought, OK, maybe no.
But then they started kind of

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going that way to where they
were referencing things.

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And it's like if people like
with with this episode and with

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the episode before, because I
believe they mentioned like they

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had Moon Night in the first
episode, they had Shang Shi,

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which Shang Shi is a movie.
Most people will have seen that,

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but not a lot of people may have
seen Moon Night, even though it

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was one of the better shows.
But it's kind of like, why would

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you bring these characters in if
you're not going to continue

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them?
And we don't right now, Moon

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Night is still up in the air
'cause we don't even know if

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we're getting a second season,
even though the rumors are

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they're still working on it.
But I mean, Moon Night Season 1

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was what, 3, almost four years
ago?

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So it's kind of like I don't
have a problem with them putting

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the Celestials in the show
again.

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I loved the Eternals and I would
really like to see a

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continuation of those stories
and those characters.

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But if you're doing it here,
there are people who probably

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didn't watch the Eternals.
That's one of the reasons why I

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didn't do so well.
They're going to wonder like,

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OK, So what is this you guys are
talking about?

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Why are these characters here?
Who are these characters?

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They may not be as familiar with
them.

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Like they just threw out the
names when she talked about

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taking their powers.
Yeah, Macari and Gilgamesh and

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everybody else.
Who is everybody else?

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So it's.
Kind of like, yeah, people who

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are watching and they're like
who the fuck is he?

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Who?
First of all, who?

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Who is Kengo?
Like what?

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What is it people who haven't
seen the internals would have?

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No idea.
No, there or people who didn't

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watch Agatha, they they would
just they would look at this

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like what?
So it's been having a weird

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effect, like they thought the
synergy would increase

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viewership, but it's actually
turning people away.

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It's having.
I think it's having the opposite

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effect.
Yeah, and part of the problem is

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that one, in order to watch the
shows, you have to have a

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subscription to Disney Plus.
And a lot of people are really

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starting to cut down on their
streaming services, especially

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when they keep upping the cost
every month, just like Disney

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Plus is about to go up.
So it's kind of like I keep

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Disney Plus because we tend to
discuss a lot of Marvel, we

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discuss, you know, these types
of shows.

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So I keep it for that.
But other than that, it's like

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when you keep increasing the
prices and people are not as

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invested in those products, then
yeah, it's gonna have a not

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negative effect because they're
not gonna bother watching the

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shows.
They're like, OK, I got the

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movies, that's all I need.
And I think you said something

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about that, Anthony, that like
there are people who only wanna

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watch the movies, they don't
care about the shows.

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But then it's kind of like you
think about what's coming up,

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Falcon in the Captain America,
Brave New World.

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Anybody who didn't watch Falcon
in The Winter Soldier, they're

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gonna be completely lost by a.
Lot of that stuff and, and, and

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they see Captain America, then
they watch the trailer and

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realize, oh, Steve Rogers is not
in it.

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Then they're not going to go
watch.

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They're not interested.
It's like them, it's not Captain

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America.
He's not Captain America because

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they didn't watch Falcon and
Winter Soldier.

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So they don't.
They don't know.

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They could have got that from
end game.

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Right.
Go back to the conversation we

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had before.
You're supposed to make the

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leap.
When Cap gives him the shield

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and says it's you now.
Then the next time you see Sam,

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he's Captain America.
For some people, that's going to

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make sense for them, but it's
been so much time since we've

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seen that.
Yeah, and like so much.

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Time.
You have Ramirez, the new, the

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new Falcon.
I mean, let's, let's just say

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like this, we're, if we're just
going by the trailer for the new

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Captain America movie, nobody's
nobody who didn't watch Falcon

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in The Winter Soldier.
They're not gonna know who

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Ramirez is.
They're not gonna know who

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Isaiah Bradley is.
They're not gonna understand.

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Well, I guess they can read, but
they're not gonna understand.

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Like, how is this Thunderbolt
Ross?

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Like when did Harrison Ford get
into that position 'cause there

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are some people who really don't
pay attention to.

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I know a lot of people who know
the the characters, but if when

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it comes to the actors and what
they do outside of what this

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movie is, they don't know.
So a lot of people don't know

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William Hurt is dead and that he
was, you know, so it's just kind

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of like the continuity.
I think.

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I just don't know if it's going
to be there enough for people to

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to care, especially people who
aren't the diehards like us or

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the people who may not have
watched the Disney Plus series,

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but they are the comic book
people.

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So they know what the story is
supposed to be, but I don't.

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Think that I don't think that
people who aren't watching the

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show haven't watched the shows
before are going to start now.

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It's like I just think they're
right.

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I've I've I've I've given up,
I've given up hope.

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I'm I'm keep thinking that
people might just check out one

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or two, but people just don't
care.

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Even the people that watch it
are still going to be the main

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ones that are going to complain
about how that why, like why am

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I watching this?
It's like the people have been

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complaining like they'll watch
they'll watch the series, then

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they'll complain like they're
already complaining about

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ironheart.
Ironheart hasn't even started

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yet.
They're like, how?

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Why is she Tony Stark?
Where's Tony Stark?

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I'm like, you haven't even
watched the fucking show.

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Like at least watch the show
then you can complain about it

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then you know, you might have a
valid point, but if you haven't

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watched the shit then shut, then
shut the fuck up till you see

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it.
Like that should be.

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It pisses me.
It just pisses me off because

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I'd rather people just give it a
shot instead of just listening

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to what other people say and
going off that and not watching

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it.
It's just like with this, it's

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like with Eternals.
It's like, I know a lot of

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people.
I it's it's still mid mid to mid

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high from mid mid for me, like I
there were there were some good

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moments, some bad moments in the
movie, but I know some people

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who absolutely love the eternals
and probably really and but and

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love this and love and love and
love the little throwbacks

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because they get a little bit.
It's just like us when last

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episode with moonlight, we're so
glad to see them because we

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don't we didn't get anything.
We haven't gotten anything from

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them in like a year and a half,
two years and you've and you're

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they're throwing us a bomb.
Like, OK, cool, thank you.

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It's just like that's what this
is for people who love the

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Eternals.
And I just, I really just would

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wish that people would give
something a chance before they

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before they start shitting on
it, at least at least watch it.

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Watch a couple episodes before
you do something.

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Yeah, but you, you're always
going to have a certain segment

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that's going to hate for reasons
other than the actual content.

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All they see is a black girl who
was replacing Tony Stark, and

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they have a problem.
So that's true.

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You you almost have to kind of
disregard them, but you're

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you're right.
They they make enough noise.

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It's a small group of people
making enough noise for other

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people to take notice and be
like, Oh well, I I don't have to

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watch it.
Yes, we.

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Will get the gets the griefs.
Yeah, and and like this, but

447
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:16,320
along with that comes this whole
idea that where where they're

448
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:20,920
trying to it's, it's like the
referencing.

449
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:26,560
OK, so as is, as it's pretty
clear why Division really burned

450
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:28,560
me on a lot of this stuff,
right.

451
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:35,080
I don't mind references and
callbacks, but when your whole

452
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:39,640
thing deals with references and
callbacks, if that's what you're

453
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,960
building the show on, if that's
what you're building the episode

454
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:47,120
on, then you're building on the
House of cards because you have

455
00:26:47,120 --> 00:26:49,320
people who don't get the
references and they don't get

456
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:52,000
the car backs and it's not
enjoyable for them.

457
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:57,880
So people like, like myself and
Mike and you and Lori, we see

458
00:26:57,880 --> 00:26:59,720
these little things like, oh,
that's cool.

459
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,800
Oh, that's cool.
Then the majority of people,

460
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,120
let's just be honest.
The majority of people, yeah,

461
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,160
they do not watch comic books,
they do not watch animated

462
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,920
stuff.
They haven't seen anything about

463
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:17,920
Marvel since, you know, they
were teenagers 30-40 years ago.

464
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,200
So they don't have a point of
reference for this stuff.

465
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,880
And to them, it's either got for
them, it's got to be good and

466
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,480
it's got to be engaging.
If your engagement is based on

467
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:32,760
references and callbacks, you're
not going to get the majority of

468
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:34,920
people.
I'm not seeing the majority of

469
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,080
people are stupid.
I'm just saying the majority of

470
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:40,320
people don't have a library of
knowledge.

471
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,760
They don't have stuff they can
go back to and refer to.

472
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:47,080
But Oh yeah, I get it.
The majority of people just

473
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:48,360
don't.
And I think.

474
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:53,120
Them don't care as like we are
all invested in these characters

475
00:27:53,120 --> 00:27:56,120
and invested in these properties
and there are some people who

476
00:27:56,120 --> 00:27:57,680
are just and there's nothing
wrong with this.

477
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,720
There are people who are just
casual fans, just.

478
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,280
Watch it and enjoy it.
So that's that first level.

479
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:09,320
By the time you get to us, the
population is.

480
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,720
Small, like level 678, Yeah.
Right.

481
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,320
The population is small, so if
you make an episode like this

482
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:19,600
episode, but there's a lot of
references to things.

483
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,240
When there are a lot of
references, it's very difficult

484
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:29,440
for the cat we call casuals.
It's very difficult for casual

485
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:30,840
to want to see here and enjoy
the show.

486
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:35,640
So they either have to be a huge
fan of Katherine Hahn or a huge

487
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:39,200
fan of Agatha Hartness or a huge
fan of Howard Stark or a huge

488
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,560
fan of Eternals.
If they're not any three of

489
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:43,560
those things.
This episode was missed.

490
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,320
Yeah, Yeah.
Especially as a what if.

491
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:51,760
Because if you go back and and
and even the first season, what

492
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:55,560
if it's kind of cool with it's
like, what if this happened in

493
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,920
this one event changes things.
Well, this one is What If an

494
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,240
Agatha Hartness with the
Hollywood.

495
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:06,200
Yeah, but also too with the 1st
2, with the first two seasons of

496
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:10,800
what if and, and it's kind of
like, I think this is one of the

497
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:15,600
problems also with the current
phases of the MCU, with the

498
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,360
earlier ones, you're dealing
with characters that have

499
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:23,120
already been established,
characters that are well known.

500
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:27,520
Like even the casual fans can
reference and can tell you about

501
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:31,760
Tony, Tony Stark, Iron Man,
Captain America.

502
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,800
They can tell you a little bit
about Captain Carter, just a

503
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:38,200
little bit, but enough to know
that, OK, this kind of makes

504
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,680
sense.
But now with this third season

505
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:45,320
and then also with the newer
phases of the MCU, you know,

506
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,320
you're trying to introduce new
characters, you're trying to

507
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,240
tell a different story, which I
have no problem with that.

508
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:55,640
But the problem is with the
earlier phases, with the

509
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,720
Infinity Saga, you didn't have
TV shows that you had to pay

510
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,480
attention to in order to keep
track of the storyline.

511
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,080
And I think that's, you know,
like you said, that's part of

512
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,920
the problem with it.
Now, like for us, those of us

513
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,080
who love this, this world, when
they announced that they were

514
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:14,360
doing this, we were all excited.
We were like, yes, give me more,

515
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,360
give me more.
And now we see that that may not

516
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:22,560
necessarily be a good thing,
especially if the shows don't

517
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:26,160
perform as well as they want and
then they end or even the movies

518
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:30,000
and they end up canceling what
they were working towards.

519
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,960
Like, you know, we, Mike and I
mentioned this in the last

520
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,360
episode, the whole thing with
Eternals.

521
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:39,520
Not only does that mean the
Eternals too is not happening,

522
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:44,120
we may not get the Black Knight.
We see Blade has been in trouble

523
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:47,280
from jump almost.
So we don't even like they can

524
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,560
tell us that we're still getting
Blade, but right now we don't

525
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,280
even know.
And it's kind of like you, you,

526
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:56,160
you sit there and you give us
these little bits and you tease

527
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,280
us.
And then when it doesn't happen

528
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,520
the way you want it to happen,
you kind of take it.

529
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,800
And then we're kind of stuck in
this limbo again.

530
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:08,920
I have a problem with them
bringing the Eternals in, but

531
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,280
some of this would not make
sense to anyone who did not

532
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,640
watch the Eternals or who did
not watch Agatha or even I've

533
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,720
watched both and I still have
questions like getting back to

534
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:24,760
the episode.
OK, Is Agatha Harkness really

535
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:32,520
powerful enough to overtake
Celestials or Eternals and and

536
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:36,800
take their powers?
Like, to me, that doesn't make

537
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:38,280
sense.
But I don't know because, again,

538
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:42,040
I'm not as familiar with her
character and what she's capable

539
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,720
of doing.
But when when she pulled out

540
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:50,440
Fina's shield and Kingo said
that's Fina's power and she was

541
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,440
like, yeah, and Macari's and
Gilgamesh.

542
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,280
So you mean to tell me you have
all of these powers for these

543
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,760
Eternals?
How?

544
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:03,400
And I don't ever remember them.
OK, I did watch Agatha and I

545
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:07,280
watched one division.
I never got the impression that

546
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:11,880
Agatha was rogue that that I I
feel like she was just stealing

547
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:16,080
their power, not actually
stealing the actual thing that

548
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,840
the person does.
I got that impression.

549
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,400
I could be wrong.
But they never gave us that

550
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:25,040
indication.
So I want to with them change a

551
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:28,040
little bit.
But my issue is with the story,

552
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:33,120
like you have the movies that
more a lot of people have seen,

553
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:37,960
even the casuals.
So take some of those things and

554
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:43,600
and and make the what ifs like
what if Agatha hardness became

555
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,560
the Scarlet Witch?
Oh, so you could have had a

556
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:50,120
really cool episode.
You know, you because then you,

557
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:54,480
you first you take you show
people who Agatha is and because

558
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,800
they all know who the Scarlet
Witch is and you get started off

559
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:02,120
with her stealing Scarlett's,
you know, stealing Wander's

560
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:05,360
power, you know, and then, oh,
well, damn, then they get the

561
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,600
one who Agathes.
They might actually go back and

562
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:15,800
watch the Agatha show, right.
So you have to I I don't know, I

563
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:19,520
don't know if they have AI
writing these stories, because

564
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,560
I'm going to tell you.
I'm going to tell you, I'm going

565
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,160
to tell you.
First of all, don't knock it

566
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:29,120
because I took the prologue of
my book and I put it in ChatGPT

567
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,840
and they gave me some good ass
suggestions to make changes.

568
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,440
And then I asked it, could you
rewrite the prologue for me with

569
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,640
those changes?
It did.

570
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:44,480
And do you know it was better
than what I wrote with just a

571
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:45,840
few.
And it wasn't like they, it

572
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,080
wasn't like it made a bunch of
changes.

573
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,920
He said if you just do these two
or three things, it would be

574
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:54,080
more engaging to the reader.
He did those two or three things

575
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,320
without changing my story at
all.

576
00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:00,320
And it was really, really good.
And I was kind of jealous, you

577
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:06,400
know, and, and so it wouldn't
surprise me if they have used a

578
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,320
little bit of ChatGPT to figure
some of this stuff out.

579
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:13,280
But like, I could throw that in
to ChatGPT.

580
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,600
What if Agatha Hardness became
the Scarlet Witch?

581
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,440
And it would give me a good ass
story.

582
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:22,480
I'm almost certain of it.
And so, but that's the thing I'm

583
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,560
saying, like, if you're going to
do these with this, do it based

584
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:28,960
on things that we sort of have
most people have a reference to

585
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:33,400
that way we all can enjoy it.
I didn't enjoy it because it

586
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,719
was, it was just a little I, I
won't say I didn't enjoy it

587
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,600
because I did think some parts
of it was cool.

588
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:41,320
It's not that I didn't like the
episode.

589
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:42,719
I just thought it could have
been better.

590
00:34:43,159 --> 00:34:46,199
And it was the sort of like blah
for me.

591
00:34:46,199 --> 00:34:50,679
Like it was kind of empty
because at the end, like

592
00:34:50,679 --> 00:34:53,920
Hanukkah said, Agatha didn't do
Agatha, so she didn't.

593
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,080
And some was like, Oh well, you
just kind of discounted the

594
00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:00,800
character completely.
And then you bring in, you know,

595
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:06,520
at the very, very end, you bring
in some celestials who may be

596
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,360
coming to get revenge because
she killed Arashim.

597
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,960
And it's kind of like, OK, are
we even going to see the sequel

598
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,080
to this?
You know, like, is this

599
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,160
something that we're going to
see in one of the later

600
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:18,960
episodes?
How is this all connected?

601
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:24,280
And again, if you're not a fan
of the Eternals, why would you

602
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:27,400
care about this episode?
So.

603
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:32,440
I think that as far as as far as
like Agatha been able to take

604
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:34,160
the powers, I wondered about
that myself.

605
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,600
I just think that they made a
linear assumption that, you

606
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:39,440
know, that people would if they
know.

607
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,200
Again, they're making assumption
that people know who Agatha is

608
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,840
to say, okay, Agatha can take
powers from, which is maybe she

609
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:47,800
that's her thing is power
absorption.

610
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:51,640
So they just went linearly to
that point and didn't really

611
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,200
explain it.
Not the best explanation, but it

612
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,480
just seems like they just drew a
line from there to there and

613
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,400
probably drew a line over a lot
of exposition that could have

614
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,320
helped or over an explanation
that probably made more sense,

615
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,240
but that's not probably the line
that they drew.

616
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:11,320
Also, I just think that James
Gunn spoiled Marvel because

617
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:15,400
James Gunn took the galleries of
the Galaxy, a comic that nobody

618
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,600
knew anything about, and made it
one of the most popular movie

619
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:23,680
trio in in the MCU and he did
that with something that nobody

620
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,520
knew about.
That's why they were so gay.

621
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,880
Everybody leeway with characters
like Agatha, characters like the

622
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:33,760
Eternals and every other thing
that hasn't that doesn't really

623
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:38,320
have a big following and they
get, you know, they give them

624
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,000
enough rope to hang themselves
and here we are.

625
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,600
I think that most people
probably don't care.

626
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:45,640
They like, oh fuck, 'cause we
want to see, we want to see Cap.

627
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,000
We want to see, OK, not that
cap.

628
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,160
We want to see the other Cap or
we want to see Iron Man or we

629
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:53,280
want to see, you know, a
character that we know something

630
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,440
about.
But you know, it's just like

631
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,360
trying to think we're all
parents when we try, when we try

632
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,080
to feed kids something new
that's going to be good for

633
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,960
them, they'll spit it back at us
or they'll turn their head and

634
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,680
pout.
But then sooner or later, like

635
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,480
every now and then, you'll get
a, you'll hit on something where

636
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,160
they'll be like, oh, now that's
all they want to eat.

637
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:16,080
But OK, I digress.
But my, my point is like people

638
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:20,080
like that, that's how fans are.
It's like fans will will like

639
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:24,840
discount something like and not
like it just for whatever

640
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,800
reason, or then they'll latch on
to something.

641
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:33,080
Then I'm not even kind of giving
them a few excuse, but I'm just

642
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:36,960
saying that it's difficult to
keep up with it sometimes, but

643
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,360
it no, it's really actually it's
really not.

644
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,080
If someone doesn't like it, I
mean, they've been doing it like

645
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:44,960
cancelling things that don't
work.

646
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:50,240
So, but I just think they need
to be more careful with who's

647
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,760
running these things, who's
running whatever projects

648
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:54,840
they're doing, especially if
they're new ones, if there's

649
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,520
something.
That they don't have James Gunn

650
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,920
anymore.
You know, that was kind of AI.

651
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,480
Don't, I don't want to say like
a farce or anything, but it's

652
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:11,720
like he was very, he was very
singular in his focus with

653
00:38:11,720 --> 00:38:14,320
bringing Guardians of the Galaxy
was like, OK, you know what?

654
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,160
I'm going to do this.
I'm going to take these obscure

655
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:20,400
comic book characters that
nobody really knows, nobody pays

656
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,080
attention to, and I'm going to
make them great.

657
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:26,840
And it's like people, when, when
I remember when Guardians of the

658
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,480
Galaxy was announced that I
remember people being like,

659
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:30,720
what?
Why?

660
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:35,600
And like you said, it became one
of the best trilogies out there.

661
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,480
Even the Christmas special was
great.

662
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:42,920
So it's kind of like, unless you
have someone who can, who you

663
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:50,440
know, can do that, I don't know.
It's just I, I get what they're

664
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,320
trying to do.
It's very ambitious.

665
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:57,440
We've always said this with,
with Marvel, they're, they're

666
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,240
very ambitious.
They're aiming high.

667
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:04,360
But it's kind of like I again, I
think they kind of need to take

668
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,160
a step back and look at what
they're doing and what path

669
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,400
they're following and, and see
what makes sense.

670
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:16,040
Because again, why bring the
Eternals in now, especially if

671
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:17,640
you're not going to continue
this story?

672
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:22,640
Why tease Moonlight, which
again, I'm not complaining about

673
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:27,560
because I want that second
season, but it it's just kind

674
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:31,240
of, I guess we have to wait and
see what the other episodes are

675
00:39:31,240 --> 00:39:34,640
going to be like to see how they
are connecting and maybe it'll

676
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,560
make more sense then.
But like right now, this early

677
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:40,080
on in the third season, I'm just
kind of like, what is it?

678
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:45,120
You know, and then you're
bringing questionable things

679
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:49,240
about the characters that we
already know, like Kingo in this

680
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,600
was Kingo the entire episode
through.

681
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,720
He never changed.
He wasn't different.

682
00:39:55,240 --> 00:39:58,080
That part I like, but again, if
people aren't familiar with who

683
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,720
the hell Kingo is, they're going
to be like who the fuck is this

684
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:02,560
and why is he dancing on my
screen?

685
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:08,400
As far as Agatha goes, again,
there's nothing that I've seen

686
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:12,680
about her character that makes
me think she is strong enough to

687
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:18,640
overpower not just one Eternal.
But what, there were seven of

688
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:22,600
them all together, and if Kingo
is the only one left and Arisha

689
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:26,080
made him the Prime Eternal, that
means she overpowered six of

690
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:29,200
them.
And given who you're talking

691
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:33,360
about, Cersei, you're talking us
about Sprite, Icarus, Fina,

692
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:38,880
Gilgamesh, Maccari.
I just, I just don't see that

693
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:43,280
happening.
Yeah, I I totally agree with

694
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:48,440
you.
I just it, it's, it's a hard no,

695
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,560
it's a difficult concept to wrap
your head around.

696
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:56,200
I, I, I don't know, like you
said, we'll just have to see

697
00:40:56,200 --> 00:41:01,600
where this is going because, you
know, we have, we have had an

698
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:05,760
episode in season 1 and episode
in season 2 that didn't go with

699
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,800
the overall story.
So it's possible that this may

700
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,600
not go with overall story.
We'll, we'll just have to wait

701
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:17,200
and see.
You know, I, I don't mind.

702
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:21,080
I don't mind it being like a
overall story.

703
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:27,280
I really don't what appeal to me
about what if is the what if,

704
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:32,120
you know, like what if a certain
event changed something or a

705
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:36,520
certain choice changed the
direction of a character's life

706
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,800
or how a story goes.
That is the appeal of what if.

707
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:45,040
The appeal of what if isn't to
me really the the overall plot

708
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:48,480
arc that they're trying to do.
I I don't care about that as

709
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:53,040
much as I care about these these
actual what ifs.

710
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:58,040
And as a standalone this
episode, what if Agatha went,

711
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:02,880
why would she go to Hollywood?
You know, the Agatha in in

712
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:07,320
Agatha all along.
Was he looking for adoration?

713
00:42:08,720 --> 00:42:12,800
She was just killing witches for
power like there was.

714
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:17,000
There was no adoration in that.
She wasn't trying to become

715
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,600
notable, she wasn't trying to
take over the world.

716
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,960
She just wanted power.
I mean, she did, She did.

717
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,240
She didn't note that she was
that the Wicked Witch of the

718
00:42:27,240 --> 00:42:29,440
West Witch, Wicked Witch of the
West was based on her.

719
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:31,560
So she did know a little bit of
it.

720
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,480
Yeah, but still for no, she
still.

721
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:36,840
Didn't want adoration, she just
wanted power.

722
00:42:37,240 --> 00:42:41,560
Right, right.
And I, and I get I guess the way

723
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:45,280
that they kind of describe it in
the beginning is she she heard

724
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:49,280
about the celestial that was in
the middle of the earth TMN and

725
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:55,480
she wanted TMN's prop child.
OK, But the thing about she went

726
00:42:55,480 --> 00:43:00,880
to where, you know, she went to
Hollywood because that's where

727
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:05,120
dreams come true and that's
where power is and blop, like I

728
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:08,680
was just like.
No, I think she just went there

729
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:12,640
to get TMN's power.
She got from anywhere.

730
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:15,840
Maybe.
Maybe in Hollywood that's the

731
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,880
spot where she could be close
enough to get it, I don't know.

732
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:23,280
They made it.
They made it seem like her

733
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,720
powers are being boosted by the
Adoration.

734
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:29,440
Yeah, it says because I'm, I'm
looking at it.

735
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:33,920
They're looking looking to take
the cosmic powers for herself.

736
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:37,040
Talking about TMX powers, it
says.

737
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:40,320
Looking to take his cosmic power
for itself, she set out to

738
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:43,200
design A spell to siphon its
power.

739
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,160
But pulling off a ritual of that
scale will require an equally

740
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:49,240
big production.
So she turned to a blossoming

741
00:43:49,240 --> 00:43:53,040
industry that had built its
reputation financing the big

742
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:58,000
dreams of even bigger egos.
Yeah, but ultimately?

743
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:02,120
Hollywood, but.
The thing, but then the way they

744
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:06,360
made the the way they wrote it,
she only just needed Kingo's

745
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,680
power in order to complete the
ritual.

746
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,480
Right.
No matter what she did, she was

747
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,560
never going to be able to do it
without his power.

748
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,680
So to me, that makes me think
that she didn't need to be in

749
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:20,080
Hollywood to do that.
Well, I guess in a in a sense,

750
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:24,800
because the way that they lured
Kingo there, even though yes,

751
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:29,160
Kingo was aware of who she was,
the whole thing, I think the tie

752
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:31,960
in with Hollywood is because
Kingo is the big movie star and

753
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:35,240
that was the draw for him.
Even in the Eternals movies,

754
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,240
Kingo was a movie star.
That was his thing.

755
00:44:38,240 --> 00:44:44,000
Like he was willing to let his
friends do whatever as long as

756
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:48,640
he was able to keep his acting
going, his adoration from his

757
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:51,120
fans, like that's what feeds
him.

758
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:55,000
So I guess in a way I can see
Agatha using that to lure him

759
00:44:55,040 --> 00:45:00,040
in.
But it just, I, I don't know, I

760
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:03,880
guess it would have made sense
if if the title was what if

761
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:09,400
Agatha became a celestial?
Just something to that effect.

762
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:11,640
But like, what if Agatha went to
Hollywood?

763
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:16,640
I was looking at that title.
Like, do I even care really?

764
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:22,920
So, yeah, I, I don't know, I
don't know.

765
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:26,360
I just, I, I really wanted to
like this episode a lot more

766
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:29,120
than I did.
And it's just because of those

767
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:33,440
little things on top of the fact
that I just, I can't, I just, I

768
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,960
don't know, something about
Agatha or the something about

769
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:40,120
that character I just can't seem
to vibe with.

770
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:43,800
She literally could have just
gone to Bollywood and stole his

771
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,160
power.
Yeah.

772
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:51,000
And then did her spell like.
Or she could have just let it be

773
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:55,520
known that she had captured the
other Eternals.

774
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:59,360
And he would have come, yeah, he
would have come to try to free

775
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:04,680
them.
Here's the other thing that

776
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:08,760
doesn't really make sense about
all of this.

777
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:19,240
You you overpower 6 Eternals and
it's not until the last one the

778
00:46:19,240 --> 00:46:22,240
Arisham decides to come in and
be like, hold up, what you

779
00:46:22,240 --> 00:46:25,560
doing?
That doesn't seem again,

780
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:30,080
plausible to me, not given what
I know about Arisham from the

781
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:33,120
movie.
You know, Arisham is based.

782
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:35,560
Oh, OK, so you're doing this.
OK.

783
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:39,520
You're about to you're about to
mess up with the emergence.

784
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:44,640
Let me kind of step in or let me
do like, I feel like if

785
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:49,120
anything, he would have sent
Kingo after Agatha, especially

786
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:53,200
if he realized that the other
celestials weren't destroyed,

787
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:54,840
but they were just being held
captive.

788
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:59,280
So I don't know the story, just
kind of it.

789
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,680
It's weird to me.
And I know again, this is what

790
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:06,200
if this is a variation, this is
people acting different.

791
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:10,440
But there are always, like I
said, core characteristics about

792
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:14,360
these characters.
That is true in every

793
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:17,400
reiteration of them, regardless
of where they are in the

794
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:20,400
multiverse, 'cause this let's
let's be honest, what if it's

795
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:24,920
just another it, it's another
multiverse within the MCU, it's

796
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:32,440
another timeline.
So I, I don't know, I just, I

797
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:34,640
don't know.
I just it, it just, it was

798
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:37,840
weird.
And like you said, there were,

799
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:39,080
there were some good things
about it.

800
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:42,360
The animation, some of the
animation was really good.

801
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:48,040
The animation of Agatha becoming
the celestial, that was great.

802
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:51,320
I did enjoy the fight with her
and Arisham because Arisham is a

803
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:53,280
right prick.
So to see her punch him in the

804
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:57,320
face and then take his powers,
OK, that's cool.

805
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:01,120
But again, is she really
powerful enough to have done all

806
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:04,280
of that to get to that point
where she can take a celestial

807
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:08,600
power?
I just, I, I don't know if I, I

808
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:10,920
don't know if I think that's
true of her character.

809
00:48:11,720 --> 00:48:16,800
I think I mean the way they set
it up it's like OK she took the

810
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:20,440
powers from all the eternals to
get the first celestial who was

811
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:23,360
bound still and had and hadn't
come free.

812
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:27,560
So I mean she already had the
power of 1 celestial and five

813
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:30,480
eternals.
But but the question is, how did

814
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:33,160
she get again, how did she get
the Eternals?

815
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:35,600
Because I just don't see that
happening.

816
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:38,320
She probably.
First of all, I don't see her

817
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:41,360
catching Macari for anything.
Yeah, Macari would have been a

818
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:45,400
difficult only if she caught if
she got Eucharist first, which

819
00:48:46,720 --> 00:48:49,440
seems a little weird.
It's.

820
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:51,200
Easier to get easier than
Macari.

821
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:56,840
Yeah, yeah.
And Fina, Fina she catch.

822
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:00,320
She catch Steven slipping
because she has she's mentally

823
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:03,480
deteriorating and if she if
something happens she could

824
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:06,000
literally catch her.
She she probably caught me off

825
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:09,360
guard and once she caught Fina
Icarus, she could have got

826
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:11,000
Gilgamesh.
Yeah.

827
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:15,320
And then after Gilgamesh, with
Gilgamesh and Phoenix power,

828
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:17,800
Icarus would have been a little
easier.

829
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:20,920
But but.
See the thing?

830
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:25,080
It will be difficult.
Macari would be difficult, but

831
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:30,480
if she captured Druid I could
see Macari coming to try to save

832
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:32,760
him.
But again Druick is one of like

833
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:36,360
Druick was the one where all of
the other Eternals were doing

834
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:38,120
shit.
Druick was over here on the side

835
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:40,520
like you know what y'all can do
your shit I'm gonna be over

836
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:42,800
here.
He to me seemed like one of the

837
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:47,040
more intelligent ones so I don't
see him falling for anything

838
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:51,200
that Agatha could have or would
have done to steal his powers.

839
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:57,880
So again, I'm just, I don't know
if I feel like Agatha is

840
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:05,440
powerful enough and even smart
enough to outmaneuver an

841
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:08,000
eternal, much less what, 6 of
them?

842
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:12,200
I think, I think she, I mean,
it's just a little, like I said,

843
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:13,640
it's a, it's a linear
assumption.

844
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:16,560
It's just like if she got it, if
she got powerful enough from

845
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:21,000
eating and eating enough
witches, then I mean, it could

846
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:22,520
happen.
It is plausible.

847
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:25,440
It's not like she's going in
there without any powers.

848
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:27,800
She's going in there.
They're talking about beings who

849
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:32,280
have the capabilities to destroy
worlds, to destroy we're.

850
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:35,000
Also, talking about the Mystic
arts, we're also talking about

851
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:36,760
the Mystic arts.
Though the Mystic arts have a

852
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:40,120
lot Mystic arts are broad.
There's something she could find

853
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:43,960
in the Mystic arts to to either
bind someone or take their

854
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:45,480
powers.
There's something in there, you

855
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:48,520
know it.
And to be honest, we don't know

856
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:52,040
who she has taken.
She may have gone after Doctor

857
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:54,600
Strange.
Wait, Oh no, we're we're too far

858
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:56,840
back in time.
She could have gone after

859
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:59,520
whoever the Sorcerer's Supreme
was at the time, which would

860
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:03,880
have been the Ancient One and
the Dark if she had the.

861
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:06,920
Dark, cold, then then there's
absolutely possible that she

862
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:08,000
could have.
Taken.

863
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,080
They gave them an indication
that she had a dark cold.

864
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:13,360
I know, but I'm saying I'm just,
I'm just saying there, there

865
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:15,840
are, there are.
Ways that this that this is

866
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:17,760
plausible?
It's plausible.

867
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:23,200
It's just you have to it's you
have to make an assumption.

868
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:27,440
You have to make a pretty broad
assumption to get her to this

869
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:32,800
point.
Where where where we have that

870
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:34,760
she would be able to take out
the Eternals.

871
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:39,040
OK, yeah, one by one.
We know that at least a couple

872
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:43,600
of them, they were not like
Gilgamesh was with Fina that

873
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:46,000
that she would have to fight
both of them.

874
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:49,840
That's if all of that happens in
this timeline.

875
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:54,200
But again, that, yeah, that that
would be like, we could throw so

876
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:57,200
many stones because literally So
what if episode.

877
00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:01,360
So we would, like you said,
Anthony, we would have to make a

878
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:05,280
lot of broad assumptions.
We'd have to assume that Fina

879
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:08,880
was incapacitated mentally
because of what she was going

880
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:11,200
through.
We have to assume that Gilgamesh

881
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:13,960
was so focused on her that he
wasn't paying attention to

882
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:16,640
anything else.
Icarus could have been off world

883
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:19,800
like he has been, and that was
probably why.

884
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:26,760
So yeah, I just OK, I, I'll,
I'll try not to be biased, but

885
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:32,440
I'm like, I don't buy it, but.
It is he just goes to show that

886
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:37,920
I know that writing television
episodes is not easy, but I

887
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:44,120
think the writers of of this
episode or or this season, I I

888
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:47,680
think they had an end game.
I think they had a goal for the

889
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:49,600
end.
And this is one of the ways they

890
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:53,240
need to get to that end.
They need it for Agatha, for

891
00:52:53,240 --> 00:52:55,360
some reason, to become a
celestial.

892
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:59,600
OK.
And this is what we got.

893
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:03,080
This is what we got.
Yeah.

894
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:06,280
And and even though we might
think, you know, if she was a

895
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:08,800
Scarlet Witch, it might be more
believable.

896
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:14,160
Yeah.
But Wanda wouldn't be born at

897
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:21,120
this time yet, so yeah, yeah.
OK.

898
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:25,520
They wanted to use Howard Stark
OK it.

899
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:31,760
Was so weird and Jarvis was just
port Jarvis.

900
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:33,680
Port Jarvis.
Wasn't Paul Bittany?

901
00:53:33,720 --> 00:53:35,120
I'm like, you know Paul Bittany.
No it.

902
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:36,360
Was James?
No, it was James Darcy.

903
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:37,440
He was the guy that was in
nature.

904
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:39,560
Carter.
I know what was I saying?

905
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:47,600
Port Jarvis, because he was just
Howard Stark was just so off the

906
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:49,560
chain.
Yeah, we took all the safety

907
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:50,960
precautions out.
The pyrotechnics.

908
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:53,880
What?
Which house is it?

909
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:55,640
The one that makes you question
what did he say?

910
00:53:55,640 --> 00:54:00,080
The one that makes you question
the the something about

911
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:01,680
capitalism.
I was like.

912
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:06,880
Yeah, the house at the top of
the hill, The Hollywood sign.

913
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:09,640
Yeah, You question.
Yeah.

914
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:11,440
Weird.
Anyway.

915
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:17,720
OK, so I think so I, I think
we've come to a consensus like

916
00:54:17,720 --> 00:54:22,320
Anthony and I were kind of like
in May on the episode Mike love

917
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:27,280
the episode, which I think is
that puts it's kind of like in

918
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:29,160
the middle for the, for the two
episodes.

919
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:31,520
Because again, I really did like
the first episode.

920
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:35,480
Like I know you haven't had a
chance to hear it, Anthony,

921
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:38,160
because I haven't published the
episode yet, but Mike and I were

922
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:40,480
giddy.
We were like, oh, 80s, you know,

923
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:43,200
80s callbacks love letter to the
80s.

924
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:47,880
And we were it, it was, it was
basically the nostalgia and I

925
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:50,280
loved it because I was like, OK,
this is fun.

926
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:52,360
This means that they're going to
do fun stuff.

927
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:56,440
And then we get this episode and
I'm just kind of like, OK, so

928
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:59,640
now we just we have nowhere to
go but up, right?

929
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:05,280
So hopefully the third.
Episode Not to bring up the

930
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:10,400
first episode again, but that
first episode is a worst version

931
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:17,120
of this episode for me.
Because if you, I guess, if you

932
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:20,920
hadn't seen Pacific Rim, if you
didn't really care for Godzilla

933
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:23,360
and you didn't really watch
Voltron.

934
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:29,880
Or Gobots or or.
Whatever you're you're OK, I

935
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:30,800
guess.
It's cool.

936
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:36,360
Yeah, yeah, basically, if you're
not into what Kaiju culture at

937
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:40,120
all.
Yeah, or mix.

938
00:55:40,720 --> 00:55:43,040
You're just, you're just out of
luck.

939
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:46,520
Yeah, basically.
But I I still love that episode.

940
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:48,480
And I mean.
Of course you do.

941
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:51,160
I'm watching it and I'm like,
this is right here at Mike's

942
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:53,760
salary.
Thank you exactly.

943
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:57,000
Like.
We watched the episode like 3 or

944
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:58,000
4 times.
Yeah.

945
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:00,440
Or certain other ones.
But yes, I.

946
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:06,480
Who doesn't like Kaiju?
He doesn't like mix, right?

947
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:12,240
It was just a lot of too much
like Voltron.

948
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:14,960
Yeah.
Oh, weird story, that weird

949
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:17,760
story.
Side note, before we go, so I

950
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:21,080
was showing Bailey pictures of
myself when I was younger.

951
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:24,800
There's a picture of me.
I think I was maybe 11 or 12

952
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:29,920
with the Voltron.
She's she looks like she's like,

953
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:33,240
wait a second, that's Voltron.
I was like, yeah, she's like,

954
00:56:33,240 --> 00:56:35,840
wait, but but you had me watch
it it.

955
00:56:36,240 --> 00:56:38,920
I said that was a reboot like
two years ago.

956
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:41,400
She was.
Like something brown.

957
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:44,040
Yeah.
She's like, so you around when

958
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:46,120
it first came out.
Let's see.

959
00:56:46,240 --> 00:56:47,640
Yeah.
She's like.

960
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:50,720
Because she had no clue.
She thought it was new.

961
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:52,440
Let's say Jack.
Or didn't it?

962
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:56,840
Yeah, it did.
It was almost as bad as when my

963
00:56:56,840 --> 00:57:00,960
when my nephew was watching
Gilligan's Island, I walked into

964
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:02,280
the room and it's like, oh,
you're watching.

965
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:04,000
He's like, yeah, you never get
off the island.

966
00:57:04,240 --> 00:57:08,640
He's like, wait, what?
Yeah, He was like, when will

967
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:11,560
this show out?
You showed us how before I was

968
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:15,160
born.
So he's like, Oh my God, it's

969
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:17,720
not you.
He said no, these all, most of

970
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:19,640
the cast is dead.
God he, he.

971
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:21,320
Can't.
He couldn't tell by the

972
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:23,320
production quality by the way it
looks.

973
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:27,600
I mean it looks very 60s.
At the time he was like 10 or

974
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:28,960
11.
Oh, OK, OK.

975
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:32,720
And so, you know, he, he thought
he was watching it in the first

976
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:35,560
round, just like Bailey thought.
Spoiled it for him.

977
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:40,720
I didn't realize that he didn't
know he was watching TV Land.

978
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:44,400
Anyone who remembers TV and even
though it was nothing but

979
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:49,960
repeats of stuff so and once I
explained it to him, he was like

980
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:54,880
everything he was watching on TV
Land had already happened.

981
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:59,800
For the most part anyway.
Anyway, so yeah, I feel old

982
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:02,040
after Voltron.
She she thought she didn't know

983
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:04,000
that there was a Voltron before
that.

984
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:07,480
And it blew her mind when I
found out yeah, that show was

985
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:10,800
like the 3rd or 4th iteration of
Voltron.

986
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:14,160
This this happened to several
different animation styles

987
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:17,560
anyway, So yeah, too, too much
reference.

988
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:19,800
And I think this is a problem
that we're going to have with if

989
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:23,680
they're they're going to go away
from actual, they're not going

990
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:27,640
to focus on the meat of the
stories, but on and how how many

991
00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:30,200
references and callbacks can we
put in the show?

992
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:37,080
And and that that you know,
nobody who doesn't do theories

993
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:39,440
wants that nobody.
You know what?

994
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:45,320
Look at man, at any rate.
You guys have anything final to

995
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:48,640
say about this episode?
I'm shout for Howard, knowing

996
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:52,520
that, knowing about Kingo and
Agatha all along and they were

997
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:54,560
like, you knew he's like you're
the smartest person in the

998
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:56,240
world.
Of course I knew like I'm I'm

999
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:58,240
saving you.
I got you so I can save money on

1000
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:00,200
effects.
And I was like, that's a

1001
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:02,400
fucking.
That sounds like a Howard Stark

1002
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:04,040
thing.
Like a Howard Stark thing.

1003
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:08,040
I was like, that's perfect.
What else do I have?

1004
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:14,320
Shout out for the dancers.
When when Kingo did his did his

1005
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:18,960
little gun shooting thing and he
was and she was like, oh, so

1006
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:20,440
your special powers are gun
fingers.

1007
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:22,600
It's like Pew, Pew, Pew.
Then all the dancers are going.

1008
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:25,520
He's like no, no, no, stop,
stop, stop.

1009
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:31,640
That was awesome.
Yeah, this was so good.

1010
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:34,880
See, I start, I started to wait
and watch it with Michelle

1011
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:36,640
because Michelle loves Art Deco
stuff too.

1012
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:38,800
But she would have been like
totally lost, just like we've

1013
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:41,400
been discussing for the last
hour because she had, she won't

1014
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:43,920
remember Eternals and she hadn't
seen Agatha yet.

1015
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:49,840
So OK, it's like, but I've still
thoroughly enjoyed this thing.

1016
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:52,160
I mean, other than the few
little problems I had.

1017
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:58,000
I I just thought it was good.
I think I just kind of, that's

1018
00:59:58,000 --> 00:59:59,680
my, I think that's, that's
what's wrong with me.

1019
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:02,400
It's like I turn off.
I turn off my, the part of my

1020
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:05,320
brain that wants an explanation
for everything and I just watch

1021
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:08,840
stuff and finds that and just
just find stuff that like

1022
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:10,520
entertains me.
I'm like, OK, cool.

1023
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:14,080
And I just sit there dueling and
watch it and like, OK, that was

1024
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:15,880
good.
Then I'll turn my then I'll turn

1025
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:18,600
the other part back on.
I'll I'll start start thinking

1026
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:20,360
critically.
Then I watch it again.

1027
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:23,080
OK.
But yeah, I do.

1028
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:24,600
I thoroughly enjoy this.
I thought was good.

1029
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:30,080
OK, like I'm in the middle.
I, I would say the only thing I,

1030
01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:34,840
I want to see more Kingo because
I like Camille Nanjiani in that

1031
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:37,200
role.
He's like so funny.

1032
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:41,840
And I just again, I like the
Eternals characters and I would

1033
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:45,400
love to see more of them, but I
I would rather see them in live

1034
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:51,000
action than animation.
I, I have the opposite problem

1035
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:56,560
that Mike has that is very hard
for me to watch things without

1036
01:00:56,640 --> 01:01:01,040
being critical.
And, and what happens is if

1037
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:03,880
something starts off and it
doesn't pull me in, I don't

1038
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:07,440
really enjoy it.
Then I turn on the critical part

1039
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:10,840
and, and it starts going
downhill from there.

1040
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:14,680
Why do I not like this?
They have to ask myself why I'm

1041
01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:16,760
not like this?
What is wrong with this?

1042
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:19,360
And then that's when you start
looking for, OK, I don't like it

1043
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:21,320
because of this.
I don't like it because of that.

1044
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:24,840
But if I like something, if it
started and I like it, then I'm

1045
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:27,920
like Mike.
I, I can't turn on the critical

1046
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:30,720
part because I like it and it
makes sense to me.

1047
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:35,560
And it's not even about like
trying to figure things out or

1048
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:39,320
or or explanations.
It's for me, it's like

1049
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:45,560
expectation, like you go in with
a certain expectation and and.

1050
01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:48,560
Even when we try not to even.
When you try not and you go into

1051
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:52,600
all these Marvel properties, all
these MCU properties, I go in

1052
01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:54,200
every time with a high
expectation.

1053
01:01:55,440 --> 01:02:02,080
And I don't know if that's the
problem because it's been a

1054
01:02:02,080 --> 01:02:04,320
while since the expectations
were met.

1055
01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:07,680
Right.
And you know, and we just keep,

1056
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:10,000
we just keep getting beat down
by this.

1057
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:15,000
And no matter how beautiful
something like this, no matter

1058
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:18,080
how pretty it is, it's still got
to have some substance.

1059
01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:21,600
You know, like it's like having
the, it's like someone put a

1060
01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:24,520
cake in front of you with this
gorgeous icing and gorgeous

1061
01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:27,160
decoration.
And the icing tastes so great

1062
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:29,360
that you cut into it and there's
nothing inside.

1063
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:32,640
Like what was the point of
bringing me the cake?

1064
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:37,120
Right.
Our union is icing, and too much

1065
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:40,240
icing makes you sick, and that's
kind of what this show was.

1066
01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:45,440
Wow.
OK, well on that note, that'll

1067
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:49,960
be for our show.
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1068
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:54,440
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1069
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:56,280
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1070
01:02:56,520 --> 01:02:59,360
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1071
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:01,880
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1072
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:04,560
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1073
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:06,400
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1074
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:07,640
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