Marvel's What If...? S3E5 - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #335

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What's up hybrids?
Welcome back to another episode

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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast.
This is Hanukkah and I am here

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with Anthony and Mike and we are
discussing Season 2, episode 5

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of Marvel's What If series.
And this is What If the

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Emergence destroyed the Earth.
So here we go talking about the

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Eternals again.
Yep.

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It really trying to push that
and I don't know why since they

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ain't making another Eternals
movie.

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It's like why y'all?
Unless they're secretly trying,

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it's like it's almost like a
bait and switch where they're

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like OK, we're not going to do
another another movie, but

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here's some stuff just to see if
you're still interested.

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If you're also interested, we
might do another movie, but if

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you're not, then we're still not
going to do another movie.

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Yeah, yeah.
And it's interesting because all

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of this stuff and what if it's
Canon to the MCU?

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This is like, OK, guys, what?
What are we really doing?

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But before we get started, I
want to offer Mike an apology.

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Mike, I actually have course
corrected on how I feel about

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the show.
It doesn't have anything to do

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with this episode being actually
really, really good.

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It's more or less I sat down and
I really thought about season

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one, season 2 and now season 3
that, you know, we've we keep

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having these overarching
stories.

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And one of the issues I had with
the show was that it wasn't like

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a traditional what if.
And if I can continue to view it

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through that lens, the show
continuously lets me down.

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But when I decide, you know
what, it's really not about the

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what if part of it.
This is really just these are

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just these are just a serial.
It's a serialized stories.

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These are not one off with if
episodes like that's sort of

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what my expectation was, But
when I when I looked at it

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through a different lens of
these are this.

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This is actually like a series
of stories that actually amount

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to something.
I I guess it's actually pretty

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good.
I mean, it does what it's

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supposed to do these.
And now I'm kind of realizing,

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because I know I'm skipping
ahead to the end of the episode,

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where this season is really
about the watcher fucking up,

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you know, because at the end of
the episode I was like, oh, you

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done fucked up now.
It's not, it's not necessarily

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him fucking up, it's him.
From the other Watchers

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perspective, it is him fucking
yeah.

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But it's just him.
This is really, if you put it in

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perspective, this is all Peggy
Carter's fault because he's the

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one that she's the one that got
him interfering and saving her

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and her hearing him and and them
just intermediate they're

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intermingling has really
affected him.

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It's like if it wasn't for last
season when he showed her the

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tree and all this other stuff
and she ended up saving

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everything and talking to him on
a consistent basis because

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before this, he never really
talked to any anybody, anyone he

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watched.
But like now since he's talking

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to him, he's starting to see
humans differently and then see

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people that he used to watch and
not care.

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Now he just now he cares.
And that's just and he should

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have just minded his own damn
business.

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Mind the business that made.
You watch Peggy's fault, I think

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is not fair because Peggy is not
the celestial being in this

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equation.
And I don't think she would have

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heard him if he hadn't already
been letting his guard down.

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So I think they put it on her
and say it's her fault.

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I think that's I, I don't think
that's fair.

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OK, 'cause I'll say that she was
integral in in his downfall.

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OK, well, I won't even, I won't
even go that cause again, that's

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I, I feel like that's laying
blame at her feet when it's

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really all him.
You know, apparently whatever

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his job is as a watcher, he is
supposed to watch and observe.

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He's not supposed to interfere.
And I feel like he's not

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supposed to have, he's not
supposed to have any emotional

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thoughts, any emotional ties to
any of these people that he's

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watching.
And maybe for however many eons

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he was doing this, he was able
to do that because there was not

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a singular person that kind of
stood out to him in that way.

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OK, as far as Peggy Carter goes,
I think just her being the

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person that she is and and not
willing to sacrifice, not

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willing to give up, not willing
to just kind of let things fall

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where they lie.
Maybe that was something

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different enough for him and his
observations of humankind to

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say, let me pay closer
attention.

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Why is this person like this?
And then it just kind of

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influenced him in that sense as
far as him seeing the type of

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person she is and him, you know,
rethinking like, OK, so if she's

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acting this differently from, I
mean, if you think about it, in

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anything that we watch and that
we consume when it comes to

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humankind and celestial beings
or beings of otherworldly power

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or, you know, authority over
humans, they always look down on

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humans as like an inferior
species, one that's kind of not

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even noteworthy or we're just
paying attention to them for

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whatever.
But whenever you have a a, a, a

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human or person that kind of
exceeds their expectations, it

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always makes them look
differently at things.

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And I just think that that's
kind of what's happened with the

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Watcher.
Now, granted, him interfering

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that that's a little bit
different.

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That's all on him.
That has nothing to do with.

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Yeah, Peggy.
That has nothing to do with it.

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Like in this episode is re re.
I mean, I can imagine if you've

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watched the same scenario over
and over and over and over and

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over and over and over and over
over again, at some point, I

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think even the hardest of hearts
would be like, I just can't do

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this anymore.
And it's not like he literally

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lifted her out of her universe
and put her somewhere else.

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What she has done?
What she has done, he literally

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just basically it was a whisper
on the wind, but it was enough

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to get her motivated so and.
Speaking of whispers on the

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wind, if he had to keep his
mouth shut, Infinity Ultron

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wouldn't have hurt his ass if he
he.

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Likes the monologue.
Who doesn't like the monologue

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in these situations?
He's bored, he said.

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He'll watch everybody and.
He's like, of course he's going

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to monologue.
But that's what he did when

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Peggy Carter took no.
In their, in their dialogue, In

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their dialogue, he.
Doesn't think he can hear him.

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No one's been able to hear him
for so long.

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He's like he can't hear me.
And he's talking to us.

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Yeah, mistake.
Look at this mistake.

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You just sit there like, look at
this motherfucker.

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He done killed everything.
What's he going to do now?

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He's like what?
He's like what?

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Oh shit.
But I mean, that's literally how

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it happened with Peggy Carter as
well.

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Yeah, yeah, in the in the 16 O
nine episode you was just like,

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what is she going to do now?
Motherfucker, I can hear you.

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What?
Right, right.

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But I just wanted to make sure
that that was out there that I,

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I'm, I'm, I'm not, I'm not not a
fan of the show.

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I like the show now is, is my
man Interesting.

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So I'm I'm, I'm back on board.
I appreciate you, my brother.

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Wow.
I'm not saying Michael's right.

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Not amazing.
Bro, I'm just saying I'm not

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right.
I'm not saying I'm right.

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That's fine.
I'll I'll take this.

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I take it any way I can get it,
so I accept.

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Thank you.
OK, how nice.

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We are starting a new year off
on a good note.

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OK, so let's talk about this
episode because this is the

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second time that we have seen
Riru Williams in the Marvel

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Cinematic Universe.
The first time was in Black

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Panther Wakanda.
And so as the title states, the

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emergence on this particular
earth in this particular

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universe actually happened.
And instead of destroying the

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Earth, it well, OK, let me let
me change my words.

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Instead of completely destroying
the Earth, like obliterating the

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entire earth, what it did was it
shattered the earth into pieces.

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And apparently these people can
still live on the pieces of the

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Earth that is there.
And I was going, I was going

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through social media, not
looking for any spoilery type

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thing on this.
And I just happened to come

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across something in my news feed
where there was an article, I

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believe it was on Screen Rant.
And they were like, yeah, So

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what if just, they just
basically copied a, a plot line

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from a non Canon Marvel
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And I was like, OK, So what did
they say from Agents of SHIELD,

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'cause that's the, that's the
big non Canon MCU property we

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always talk about.
And then I thought about.

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I didn't.
Even think.

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Yeah, yeah.
I didn't even think about it.

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And then it's like when I was
looking at new rock stars and

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they were like, yeah, this is
almost the same thing at Quake

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to nature.
So I was like, oh fuck it is.

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Where you have pieces of the
earth and you have people who

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are still living on it.
But The thing is, we also get to

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see White Vision in this
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And the main antagonist of this
episode is Quentin Beck AKA

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Mysterio.
Or.

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AI still have for record.
I'm still have an issue with

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them pulling these obscure
random characters which the

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stereo's.
Not obscure.

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But for your average for your
average.

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Person for your average person
who's gone to watch the if you

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were trying to pull people into
the TV shows who basically have

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only watched the movies and they
may not.

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They may have only watched The
Avengers movies for the most

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part and not seen the last
Spider Man, which I wouldn't

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fault them for, but not the last
one, the one before it.

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Which one was that one?
That was homecoming, wasn't it?

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No, it was.
Far from home.

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It was far from home.
If you hadn't seen far from

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home, then you'd be like, who
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Who the fuck is it?
You know, like who is this?

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And then white vision, like I
guess ran in the random order of

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things.
It doesn't really matter who

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white vision is.
You don't know.

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You won't make that association
unless you've seen what, but I

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guess again, in fairness, if
you're watching with if you've

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probably watched most of the TV
shows, so then you probably have

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an idea.
But still, I'm just saying.

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Yeah, 'cause even the leader of
the alliance in this one was

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that I was trying to figure out
where her character is from, and

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I think 1 of you mentioned that
might have been Shang Shi's.

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Yeah, that's not she's on and.
I was like.

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In hello.
Yeah.

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Hermitage.
Oh no.

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Wrong.
Wrong Sir, wrong movie.

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Wait, what?
I say Karnataka.

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No, that's wrong.
Or.

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Something.
Yeah, that's.

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Wrong who?
Was also in this but yeah so

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anyway you you have this earth
that's been destroyed by the

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emergence and Quentin Beck
Mysterio has control of white

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vision and.
OK, this is all the science

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stuff, I'm not going to explain
it right One of y'all explain

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exactly what Mysterio was doing
with all of the the nanites and

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all this other stuff 'cause
that's like the.

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Nanites help them control
everything basically.

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Well, you you remember in that
you watch Far from Home, right?

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Yes.
Vaguely.

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See, that's what I'm saying,
yes.

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You remember Far from Home and a
lot of Tony's tech was

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holographic projectors.
Oh, yes, yes, OK.

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And that and put that with the
nano tech that Tony came up with

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later, you put that all together
and that and Quinn Beck is

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taking all that over.
So he's using the Tano tech in

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tandem with the holograph for
projectors.

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OK.
And shout, shout to them for

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making, making old Mysterio a
really Marvel's really weird

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version of Palpatine 'cause he's
like sitting there like kind of

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hooded and just like killed the
Empire crushed them.

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I was just waiting for him to
say say execute order 66 really.

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And I mean, that's basically
what he did.

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It's.
Basically what he did, yeah.

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So basically the whole premise
of this is every time that this

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happens, where the emergence
destroys the Earth and you know,

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Quentin Beck is trying to
control the Earth and doing all

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this other stuff.
RiRi Williams, that's going to

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be that's.
A mouthful.

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RiRi basically as, as the
watcher says, she tries to take

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her way out of everything.
And I think that's one of Mike's

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favorite phrases is like she's
trying to take her way out of

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everything.
She's trying to fix it so that

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she can defeat him.
She can kind of restore, I

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guess, a little bit of order.
But the problem is it never

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works.
She always gets defeated.

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And the Watcher, you know,
basically is lamenting the fact

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that he has to continuously
watch her fail over and over

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again.
He's like basically it's, it's

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just going to, you know, it's
going to keep repeating itself.

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And so he.
He said then he's saying every

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iteration of this universe she
fails, which echo the same thing

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about every iteration of
strangers universe he couldn't

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save.
What's her name?

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Christine.
Is it Christine?

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It's a fixed point in time,
yeah.

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So in this one, here we go
again.

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We're starting again at the
beginning.

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She's trying to obtain different
types of materials so that she

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can do what she needs to do to
try to defeat Quentin and his

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holograms and his nanites and
all this other stuff.

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And it's so interesting because
they brought Sharon Carter in to

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be one of these things,
negotiating with her for a

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fucking Easy Bake Oven.
Really.

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But anyway, I'm, I mean, hey, if
she can, if she can do something

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awesome with the Easy Bake Oven,
I'm not going to, you know, I'm

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not going to look down on that.
But of course, the Sharon Carter

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that we find is is a fake.
It's one of the white visions

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droids, I guess.
No, no, no, no, no.

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No.
No, no, she's real.

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Was she real?
No, she said something about it

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being about her being fake.
No, the droids, some of the some

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of the droids that were after
her were fake.

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But Sharon was real 'cause she
punched her in the face with

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that Easy Bake Oven and got the
little thing that she needed out

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of it.
Yeah, she I understand you.

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She was 100.
Percent real, yeah.

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If she wasn't real, she wouldn't
got punched in the face like

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that.
She's real, she's working for

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Bank.
OK, but see, I thought, OK,

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maybe I was reading that wrong
because I, I remember her saying

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something about one thing, about
such and such.

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She said you get to know what
things are real and what's fake.

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And that was when she hit her in
the face was 'cause she was

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saying that that Sharon was
fake.

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It was one of the bots.
Maybe a fake?

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I thought she.
Was being fake ally?

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White Vision was menacing as
fucking this.

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Like I don't I don't even want
to watch Vision quest now 'cause

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I don't want shit else to do
with him.

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Like that motherfucker was, I
mean when he comes, she was like

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please be fake.
And he grabbed her up by the

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neck and it was like.
She's like, not fake, not fake,

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not fake.
Yeah, like he was not playing at

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all of this episode.
Like when he went through the

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Titanic, I was just like, that's
some.

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Was that the Titanic?
Was that supposed to be the

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Titanic?
No, it set it on the boat

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Titanic.
I I didn't see it.

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I didn't see that part because I
was looking at it.

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I said, wow, it almost looks
like the Titanic.

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But for me that wouldn't have
made sense.

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Like why would the Titanic be
there and the Titanic sunk?

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But again.
There's no, there's no more

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water.
So yeah.

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Another water is gone.
Everything underwater is now

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above water basically.
Duh.

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Yeah.
OK.

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Yeah, you're right.
OK.

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It says when you, when you look
at it again, when they reveal

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it, it's on the bow of the ship.
It says Titanic on there.

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OK.
And he was going diagonally down

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through the down through the
floors.

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I was just like, fuck that.
No, no.

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So yeah, looking at White Vision
in this episode, I was just kind

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of like, is this who we are
waiting to see?

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Because I don't know that I
necessarily want to see him

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being this terrorizing.
I don't think he's going to be

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terrorizing.
I don't think he's going to be.

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He's going to be, yeah,
confused, mostly.

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Yeah, because this is this is
him right after one division.

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So he's basically going around
trying to find himself.

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So it's not going to be a
ultraviolet one, it's just going

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to be him asking questions and
and spouting philosophy

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basically.
Well, my fear is going to be a

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Frankenstein story, but that's
neither here nor there.

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You know what?
You what now?

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Nothing.
I heard you.

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I mean, OK, Yeah.
He was he was scary in this one,

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but you know when when he's
fighting re re and it looks like

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she's about to be defeated, she
gets saved by this group called

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the alliance and it has what was
Chung?

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He has Wang.
What's the?

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Yan name.
Wang, Valkyrie.

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Akoye.
Akoye.

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That's it.
Yeah, so you have this group and

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they're this alliance and it's
like a a group of people that

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are also trying to defeat
Quintin Beck.

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And they've also been watching
re read and they know what she's

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trying to do.
And they're like yeah, we can

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offer you resources and
assistance because you need

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this, this, this and this and
you've been trying to do this,

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this and this and we have this
this miss.

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And she was like, oh, so y'all
been like stalking me?

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They're like yeah, we're
stalking you before.

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A good reason.
And so like you said, Mike, they

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do take her to which I see now
in the background is the

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Titanic, which is their base.
And they give her.

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They basically have set up this
whole lab with everything that

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she would need in order to make
this weapon or make this suit or

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whatever it is that she's trying
to do, because I think what she

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had planned on doing ended up
changing.

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Once they had white vision and
she had his, his parts and his

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pieces, she was able to make
herself a suit and technology to

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where she could see through the
holograms and she could see what

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was real, what was fate, and she
thought that she'd be able to

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go.
Oh, wait, wait, wait.

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No, She did.
She have was this way.

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She didn't make a suit, right?
That's why I said or the tech,

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the technology to create like.
Well, she turned herself into a

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synthesoid, A human synthesoid.
Yeah, she's basically a a semi

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human version, a more human
version of Vision.

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Yeah, she's the same as Vision,
but more human than robot.

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OK, again, this is a little too
sciencey for me.

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She's like a Cyborg with nanite
technology.

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OK, that OK, that makes sense
that.

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Makes sense.
Yeah, she's a Cyborg with nanite

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technology.
OK.

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I don't want I'd see.
I was like when she was doing

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this.
I was just like this cannot end

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well like you.
Well, the the first sign that it

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cannot end well is that basis of
operations of the Titanic, like

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the symbol of lost causes.
Basically no.

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And when she was creating the
tech to to turn herself, they

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were on the run because Vision
'cause they had to destroy it,

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destroy it because vision
basically killed everyone else

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in the alliance.
Is is basically not just them,

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'cause they killed everyone else
on that belt and it's like, and

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you're, you're still on there.
Like, OK, I'm gonna turn myself

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into this and I'm like.
And she had to do it in 7

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minutes.
Excuse me?

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Oh, that was fun and. 1/2
minutes.

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How many how long do you need?
About 2024 hours.

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Like alright, you got 7 hour
minutes.

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Yeah, I love, I love how she
responds.

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She was while she was talking.
It reminded me of her and

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Wakanda forever when when the
when the FBI came, she was like,

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I know he could just create then
then go ahead create create just

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new tech in 7 minutes.
What could fucking go wrong

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could possibly go wrong.
And I'm like.

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Yeah, I know.
I, I, my mind went to the

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episode of Star Trek The Next
Generation where Scotty told

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Jordy.
Never tell them how much time

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it's actually going to take you,
because then they believe you

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can work miracles.
Exactly.

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Then they'll cut it in half.
Well, I mean.

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This would be like, yeah, say
way more time than you actually

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need.
Then I'm like OK, give you like.

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Yeah, because she didn't say 24
hours.

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I think her, I think her what
she said was two weeks.

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Two weeks.
Yeah, two weeks.

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And they were like, you have 7
1/2 minutes.

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What what I think Tony Stark
would have even boxed it that

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like not even a full 10 but.
About 12 hours.

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Yeah, no.
He said I need 12 hours and

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they're like, oh, set up
minutes.

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That's not long.
The Vishanti protection spell is

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going to hold.
Yeah, but he went.

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To Vishanti, shut out.
If you hadn't seen Doctor

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Strange the Multiverse, it would
mean nothing to you.

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But whatever.
Yeah, all you do, you see Wong,

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you know, it's wizardry stuff.
Be like, alright, cool.

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He's he's going to put a sense
of protection shit.

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And then he gives them the the
Vishanti armor, armor of

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goodness.
I was like, oh shit, Nope.

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It's just like in the finale of
Season 1.

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Oh, yeah, yeah.
But yeah.

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So, oh, yeah, she tries to, as
they say, take her way out of

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this and doesn't go quite as
planned.

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You know, she's able to she's
able to see through the

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holograms and she's able to get
down on the ground and, and you

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know, her, her four people from
the Alliance there doing what

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they can to fight things off.
And then this is where it gets a

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little murky for me because I've
only watched the episode twice.

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And I'm like, so when they were
down there on the ground and

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they were fighting, was that
really them?

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And were they really alive at
that time or had they already

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been killed?
Because the way Quintin Beck

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kind of presented it to her
towards the end of the episode,

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I was like, oh, so you was down
there defending nothing?

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No, she was he when when he hit
her and she fell to the ground.

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I think he started the he
started the illusion then.

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OK, that's what.
OK, that's what I was wondering.

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Yeah, because when she woke up
and saw, saw Ying Nan, Ying Nan,

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she that was a that was fake
because she's the one that

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followed her into his lair and
she tried to switch, then she

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disappeared.
So it's like, so he he actually,

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he actually did a double layered
illusion.

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Like there's the one illusion
where she's in his lair and he

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and she fights him, but then
there's the other illusion where

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she wasn't even in there.
She was she she basically didn't

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go anywhere.
Yeah, he basically he, she was

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knocked out and he he made an
illusion where she was right

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there.
And I'm not even sure if when

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she was fighting, she wasn't
actually fighting them and

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killing them herself.
Like I'm not sure I I.

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You know, right?
I can't, I can't even, I can't

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even wrap my head around that.
You.

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Know what I'm saying?
It's like.

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Yeah, he basically pulled an
inception.

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00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:29,880
Yeah, or what?
Well, it was something I saw.

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I know I've seen something where
this this kind of thing happened

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where someone had given him an
illusion and they were actually

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killing the people.
It's just like, it was one

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thing.
It was a it was a run of X-Men,

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and no one knows.
If you haven't read the comics,

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it's like where Logan was under
under someone's mind control and

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he was for use.
He thought he was fighting, he

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was fighting enemies, but he was
actually killing all the X-Men.

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Oh, Ouch.
So I mean something like that

449
00:25:57,120 --> 00:26:00,200
where he had such control over
it could be I'm not sure.

450
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,800
Now I'm not saying this happened
but but by the time you looked,

451
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,360
it's like because she was
punching those mysterios hard as

452
00:26:06,360 --> 00:26:08,320
fuck.
So it could have been where they

453
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:11,080
were like RiRi snap out of it
and she just turned around and

454
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,600
beat there should be the shadow
because she's basically Vision

455
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,400
so she can hit them as hard as
Vision was hitting everyone else

456
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,200
on the boat.
My only thing is he would have

457
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:24,840
used that and showed her that.
Yeah, I I can't agree with you

458
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:26,320
on that.
Yeah, he would.

459
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,800
He would have shown her.
Well, he didn't show her that.

460
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:30,040
He just.
Showed her the dead.

461
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:34,840
He just showed her them dead.
But I think it would have had

462
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:38,600
more of a Yeah, it would have
had more of an impact, Yeah.

463
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,200
If he had been replanting like,
yeah, well, you know what?

464
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,760
You were the ones who actually,
you were the one who actually

465
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:45,240
killed your friends.
Yeah.

466
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,120
I think that would have had more
of an emotional impact.

467
00:26:48,120 --> 00:26:52,120
And I think if something like
that would have happened, I

468
00:26:52,120 --> 00:26:54,840
think the Watcher probably would
have made mention of it when he

469
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,280
started doing his monologue.
Yeah.

470
00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,920
You know, instead of just
saying, oh, here it comes again.

471
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,120
Here we go again.
I can't watch this.

472
00:27:02,120 --> 00:27:05,120
I can't.
Now, Mike is not beyond the

473
00:27:05,120 --> 00:27:09,040
realm of possibility that there
was at least one universe where

474
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:13,000
that actually happened.
That's true because I mean, he,

475
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:14,320
he's watched this millions of
times.

476
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,400
I mean, the hazard happened at
least two or three times.

477
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:20,920
Yeah, Yeah.
Or even if that was the the

478
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:25,240
case, if she was the one who
actually killed him in this one,

479
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,600
that could have probably been
what spurred him to say

480
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,320
something to her so that she
could hear him.

481
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,960
Like maybe he was just like, OK,
this is just too much.

482
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,240
Like it's bad enough her world
is destroyed.

483
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:41,280
It's bad enough that you know
she's about to be defeated and

484
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,800
her friends are gone, but it it
would be even worse if she was

485
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:46,520
the reason why her friends were
gone.

486
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,360
And maybe that was just him
being like, you know what, I

487
00:27:49,360 --> 00:27:53,120
can't do this shit no more.
And that's why he's telling her,

488
00:27:53,120 --> 00:27:54,840
get up, get up.
I need you to fight through

489
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,120
this.
So that could be it too.

490
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:01,560
But either way it goes, the
Watcher intervenes.

491
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:06,160
And then we find out that
there's a whole council of

492
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:11,280
Watchers led by Lucius Malfoy,
AKA Jason Isaacs.

493
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,200
Eminence.
Eminence.

494
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:20,280
And I was like, I was kind of
like Anthony when you see that

495
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,400
and they're like, what the hell
is he doing?

496
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:29,760
I was like, oh this is not good.
Yeah, it was reminding me of oh,

497
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,280
you, you're fucked up now.
Right.

498
00:28:32,360 --> 00:28:35,480
You're fucked up now.
Right, 'cause it was reminding

499
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:43,200
me of the time was Time
Watchers, the Time Lords in

500
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,440
Loki.
Time variance authority.

501
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:50,000
Yeah, the the, the. 3.
Oh the yeah, the what do they

502
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:50,920
call?
Yeah, I.

503
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,200
Think I would never call.
Me too, I think.

504
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:58,960
There were Time Lords, yeah.
So yeah, that's what it reminded

505
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,880
me of.
So when he spoke and they were

506
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:05,360
like, what's he doing?
I don't know.

507
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,720
But you know, he's gone too far
this time.

508
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,560
They're like, you mean further
than the last time he went too

509
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,200
far.
And I was just like, oh, this is

510
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:20,360
about to be some problems.
Because the way that they've

511
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:24,840
kind of fashioned this show, and
this is for those of us who are

512
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:29,440
uninitiated with the comics and
know nothing about what, if you

513
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:36,560
kind of think that the Watcher
is the supreme Being like he is,

514
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:40,440
he is the highest of the high,
and that's the reason why he's

515
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:44,160
watching over everything.
But then to find out that not

516
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:48,240
only is he not the highest of
the high, but there are three

517
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:52,040
other people whose authority he
is supposed to be yielding to

518
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,560
and whose rules he's supposed to
be following.

519
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,000
I was just like, yeah, barely.
The top five?

520
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:03,960
Well, if you if you were kind of
a fan of what if and and marvel

521
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:07,240
the comic books, you know, he's
not watch who's not the only

522
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:07,960
one.
So.

523
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,040
Even in the in the first
Guardians of the Galaxy with

524
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,680
their the Stan Lee cameo in
there was him talking to to the

525
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:17,400
watchers like him sitting him
sitting on in on an asteroid and

526
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,040
the watchers all around him and
just talking.

527
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:21,520
So you knew.
So yeah.

528
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:24,040
Yeah, it's a deep cut.
Go back.

529
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:26,360
And watch we.
Got to go back and re watch some

530
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:27,880
of this stuff because I'm like
what?

531
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,040
When did that happen?
It.

532
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,920
Has been a while since I've seen
that movie, so I.

533
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:37,800
Was going to say the time
keepers started the TVA.

534
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:44,240
The time Keepers founded the TVA
air quotes for those listening

535
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:51,400
air quotes around founded.
But yeah, so it's like now you

536
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:55,640
have not only this situation
with Rhode Island, Rhode Island

537
00:30:55,640 --> 00:31:00,600
and Quinton Beck, which wants a
while to kind of or the watcher

538
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:04,960
because he doesn't really use
his name in this season yet.

539
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:06,840
We we heard it in previous
season.

540
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:11,760
But once he kind of, I don't
know, breathes new life into

541
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:15,040
Rhode Island, Rhode Island, and
she's able to figure out how to

542
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:19,160
defeat Quentin Bait, you've got
that fight happening over here.

543
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,240
But then you've got, like I
said, now, now you've got this

544
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:27,600
little mystery and this little
intrigue over here with the

545
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:34,840
Watcher and these other watches.
And I'm just like, so when they

546
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:38,320
get ready to punish him because
you know they're going to punish

547
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:42,960
him, are they going to punish
just him or are they going to

548
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:47,560
punish everybody that he has
helped and everybody that those

549
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:53,320
people helped to, to kind of, I
don't know, bring balance to the

550
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:57,000
universe or to.
I assume I would assume they

551
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,240
would just remove him from the
equation so they can go about

552
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,400
their business.
Right, so that this won't happen

553
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:04,920
again.
So what happened again?

554
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:08,800
I mean, this is.
They don't want to, but it's

555
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:12,440
like, I mean, this is they're,
they're basically going to have

556
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:13,480
to.
If he's interfering with

557
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:15,000
something, they're going to have
to interfere with his

558
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:19,080
interference.
So it's like they just, they got

559
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:20,800
to figure something out if they
want to, yeah.

560
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,520
But you would think that if if
that was.

561
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:29,560
To minimize the minimize the
effect that he's had based on

562
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,920
his interference, you don't do
more interference.

563
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,040
You just remove him from all the
situations.

564
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:40,280
Yeah, and just then let
everything continue as it's

565
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,680
supposed to.
But you would think that they

566
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:47,320
would have done that when he
interfered in last season.

567
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,600
Well, you also have to remember
they can kind of see how

568
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,160
everything is supposed to be and
how everything is supposed to

569
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:58,320
work out.
So his little minor

570
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:03,000
interferences wasn't that big of
an issue to them probably.

571
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:09,880
But it's one of the things where
you you're doing 1 little thing

572
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:14,040
here, 1 little thing there, and
the supervisor's like, I'll just

573
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,280
deal with it.
But then after a while you're

574
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,240
like, OK, I'm tired of this.
We're done.

575
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:22,120
Yeah, but, but yeah, but at that
point the problem has gotten

576
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,640
bigger.
Well, the reason why this one

577
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:31,120
was a problem was in every
universe that she she was doing

578
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:35,800
this and she's failed.
So he made a significant change

579
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:41,720
in one in in one universe.
So this thing is also.

580
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,960
Go ahead, Mike.
This is basically what he was

581
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:48,520
getting on Strange on Strange
about the first time we met him

582
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,880
because he was trying to change
keep her alive, which is a fixed

583
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:53,240
point in time which he couldn't
do.

584
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,640
Rebe's death is the same thing
and he just did what he told

585
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,160
Strange not to do.
And I think, yeah, that's the

586
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,560
thing that I'm kind of like.
And and the watchers don't want

587
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,800
that to be become habit where
he's just like fucking up fixed

588
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,480
points in time.
And that that could that could

589
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,400
be making even bigger, bigger
thing to go.

590
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,199
That could happen.
That could be very destructive

591
00:34:14,199 --> 00:34:18,199
to all universes.
So if you go around fucking up

592
00:34:18,199 --> 00:34:19,840
fixed points in time, what is
time?

593
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,400
Yeah, well, time is a construct
created by.

594
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,159
The I knew that was coming.
I knew that, Sir.

595
00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:32,239
Yes, you're right, Sir.
Yeah.

596
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,440
But yeah, yeah, he's, he's
basically going back and doing

597
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,840
stuff that he's basically doing.
He's doing, he's doing the do

598
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,360
what I say, not as I do, as far
as strange goes.

599
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:43,840
Yeah, yeah.
OK.

600
00:34:45,159 --> 00:34:50,080
Alright.
SO question the RiRi Williams

601
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:54,159
that we saw in this episode and
the way that she is kind of like

602
00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:58,400
her determination, her refusal
to accept failure, that sort of

603
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:02,360
thing, is that indicative of her
personality and that is that

604
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:06,840
what we can expect to see from
her in the Iron Heart series,

605
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:07,680
basically?
Yeah.

606
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:11,280
She's going to try.
She'll try to take her way out

607
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:12,520
of everything.
So yes.

608
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:14,800
Now, is she going to be reckless
with it?

609
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,000
Because we we all know Tony
Stark.

610
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,920
We love Tony Stark, but.
She's a kid, yes.

611
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,400
Yeah, she's a she's in her early
journeys, of course she is.

612
00:35:23,720 --> 00:35:25,480
Does she even know what reckless
means?

613
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,800
Do you?
Do you know anyone under 35 who

614
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:31,880
isn't reckless?
Right.

615
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,600
I mean, it's like, I mean,
basically we're going to see how

616
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,240
she was.
She's going to be bold like she

617
00:35:38,240 --> 00:35:42,280
was in Wakanda Forever and she's
going to just go and do all

618
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,920
kinds of shit.
I'm thinking from seeing the

619
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:49,560
previews, like she's going to be
into some kind of some kind of

620
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:53,760
like questionable shit too.
So it'll be interesting to see

621
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:57,200
how she did.
And Tony Stark is damn near 50

622
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,000
years old and he's still regular
reckless.

623
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,920
This is Tony Stark we kind of
expected from him.

624
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:07,080
Look.
Because he's always trying to,

625
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,520
you know, Tony Stark is one of
those people that like, has

626
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:15,760
significant daddy issues.
He's always trying to outdo his

627
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:17,760
old man.
He's trying to be better.

628
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:21,680
He's trying to, you know, so we
can expect it from him.

629
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:28,200
All the characters in Marvel
Comics who are genius level

630
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,680
intellects.
Reed Richards, Bruce Banner,

631
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,720
Tony Stark.
They drive on casts.

632
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:42,800
They're all reckless.
Even Siri and to child to some

633
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:47,640
extent, you know, Amadeus Chow
Chow, they're they're all

634
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:51,400
reckless.
Yeah, OK.

635
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:56,560
They really are Henry Pimm.
Reckless Kank Pimm is the king

636
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,720
of all that shit.
Like he is just the worst at it.

637
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,320
I'm so glad we are not seeing
him in this season so far.

638
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:11,040
He is the absolute worst.
OK.

639
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:16,680
OK, favorite part of this
episode for you guys?

640
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:21,280
What was it?
I like her when she was

641
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:25,360
navigating on on Beck's
asteroid, like flying and

642
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:28,200
telling and like leaving them
and then following her and her

643
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:32,000
telling what's fake and stuff.
Her whole personification as as

644
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,440
like a vision kind of that whole
personification was dope as fuck

645
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,280
to me.
Like I loved all that,

646
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,320
especially on the ship when she
first when she first integrated

647
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,560
it and she floated up through
the deck, I was like, OK, that's

648
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:44,600
bad.
Free badass.

649
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:48,480
My my favorite part was they
were on the ship Valkyrie was

650
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,640
using and there were no goats
pulling the ship.

651
00:37:51,320 --> 00:38:01,960
My my favorite part no.
It's been 2 years, let the goats

652
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,960
go.
You not know me whenever I ever

653
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:08,160
let anything go.
Whenever I ever let anything go.

654
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:09,400
That's.
Perfect.

655
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:12,760
That was not the answer.
I.

656
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:19,640
Was expecting.
Oh, that was really good.

657
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:25,720
That is hilarious.
What's yours I.

658
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:27,640
Don't even know where to go
after that.

659
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,320
Again, I had to use an obscure
reference.

660
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:36,480
And you know, if no one's seen
Love and Thunder, lucky you,

661
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:42,080
lucky you, that's all I can say.
Lucky you.

662
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:44,960
And do not go look at it just
because I feel that.

663
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:47,400
You can't.
You can't alienate our audience

664
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,040
that like scopes.
You can't do that anything.

665
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,240
Or our audience that likes love
and Thunder because there was

666
00:38:53,240 --> 00:38:56,840
some people who liked it then.
Y'all are listening to the wrong

667
00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:00,760
show.
No, they're just no, because I

668
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,560
believe we were firmly split
down the middle with that.

669
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,160
If you guys want to check it
out, we did do a Love and

670
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:09,280
Thunder episode.
Go check it out.

671
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,280
I think we were quite split on
that one.

672
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,600
Yeah, I think Mike was split
right down the middle, so I'm

673
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,480
not mistaken.
Yeah, I was, I'm, I'm, I'm still

674
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,120
kind of mad about it.
It's like there are parts I

675
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:24,520
really like, there are parts I
didn't like, and it just dragged

676
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:24,800
to.
Me.

677
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:26,720
But you didn't have a problem
with the goats?

678
00:39:26,720 --> 00:39:28,960
I don't think I didn't care.
I really didn't.

679
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:37,280
OK.
We have three more episodes and

680
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:44,240
just judging from the titles, I
think the next episode does not

681
00:39:44,240 --> 00:39:45,880
really have anything to do with
the Watcher.

682
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:51,040
But he will figure heavily in
the last two episodes of the

683
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:52,800
season.
And then that's going to be it

684
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:58,400
for what?
If So, you know, we were talking

685
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:02,520
I think in the last episode
about how some of these stories

686
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,960
are.
Are going to converge and, and

687
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:11,640
have big specific meanings for
the the final two episodes or at

688
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:18,920
least the final episode.
And I, I just, I don't know if I

689
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:22,040
think with the first two
seasons, you got to see where

690
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:26,480
most of those characters had
something to do with the season

691
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:30,400
finales for those two.
And I just don't know if all of

692
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,400
these characters are going to
make it to the end of this

693
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:35,120
series.
I think some of these are kind

694
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,480
of like what Anthony said.
They're just one off.

695
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:40,920
I think we were just meant to
see these characters be

696
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,520
introduced to them for what
reason, I don't know.

697
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:47,200
Like, like we said, the fact
that they keep bringing them in

698
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,720
for the, you know, they keep
bringing in all the stuff that

699
00:40:49,720 --> 00:40:54,160
happened in the Eternals is kind
of interesting, I think because

700
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,200
again, they're not moving
forward with Eternals too.

701
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:04,400
But also we do see little bits
and pieces of the Eternals kind

702
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:08,360
of popping up because I forgot
what it was that we saw.

703
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:13,240
Maybe it was the Captain America
teaser trailer that first came

704
00:41:13,240 --> 00:41:16,120
out where there was a a
newspaper article and you saw

705
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:19,600
something about Tiamat kind of
over in the side.

706
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:23,360
And then of course, you see
Tiamat a little bit more in the

707
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:27,360
trailer for Captain America
because like you said, they're

708
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:31,960
going to be getting, I think you
said Adam and Tim from TMN.

709
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:37,040
So I guess they're just trying
to familiarize people.

710
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:41,040
But again, if you are a show
watcher and not a movie watcher,

711
00:41:41,240 --> 00:41:42,920
why does that matter?
But.

712
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:48,760
If you're a movie watcher and
not a show watcher, then yeah.

713
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,680
Yeah, but like you said, if
you're watching what if, chances

714
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:56,320
are you're probably like us and
you're watching both.

715
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:02,240
I think, I think one of the
things they're they're hoping to

716
00:42:02,240 --> 00:42:06,600
do is to introduce us to the
idea of alternate characters

717
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:11,080
from alternate universes.
Because when it comes to Secret

718
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:14,680
Wars, I think that's going to
play a part of it because we got

719
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:21,200
a lot of it in the pool.
Wolverine we got it in

720
00:42:21,720 --> 00:42:26,760
Multiverse of Madness.
We got it in The Way Home.

721
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:33,960
So they're they're expanding on
this idea of you're going to see

722
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:38,280
and we're going to have
characters play a major part of

723
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:43,880
of, you know, what's coming up,
you know, even with Kane and all

724
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,560
the variants of Kane that that
we've talked about.

725
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:53,400
So I think I think this was sort
of a backdoor way because this

726
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:55,320
is how we got paid.
Carter, Agent.

727
00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:01,600
You know Captain Carter, we got
her and we see her in those

728
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:03,840
Multiverse of Madness.
Like, oh.

729
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:09,880
You know.
So I, I think this, this is sort

730
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:14,280
of an amalgam of, of everything
that Marvel's trying to do when

731
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:16,880
it comes to what they want to do
with the multiverse.

732
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:21,480
Because of course, you know,
Doctor, one thing they're going

733
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:23,680
to have to figure out, they're
going to have to figure out the

734
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:28,920
fix for the problem.
They say it was created by

735
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:32,280
people going back and forth.
I forgot what they called it,

736
00:43:32,720 --> 00:43:35,360
but I think that's what the
point of Secret Wars is going to

737
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:41,040
be, is to show how how we are
able to fix this issue going

738
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,840
back and forth causes the whole
universe to collapse.

739
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:48,480
So, you know, we'll we'll see
and we'll see how the TVA plays

740
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,960
a part in that.
And they've already established

741
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,880
that we have all these branching
timelines and branching

742
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:57,000
realities and branching universe
universes.

743
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,920
Yeah.
I just think it's we're, we're

744
00:43:59,920 --> 00:44:04,440
just being prepped for it.
What if So what if it's been

745
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:09,280
this huge prep for this phase of
Marvel that we're going into.

746
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:13,520
OK, OK.
And it would help, you know, I,

747
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,600
I, I don't like they do this,
but it will help people who only

748
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:20,520
watch the movies to actually
have watched some of these TV

749
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:24,160
shows to kind of see where,
where they're going with this.

750
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:29,400
Yeah, and I think eventually
that may end up happening.

751
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,920
It's OK.
One of two things will happen.

752
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:37,800
The people who are moving only
viewers, they, they will either

753
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:41,760
get frustrated or curious enough
to say, OK, I don't know what's

754
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:43,080
going on.
I don't know about these

755
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:45,360
characters.
Let me go back and see what's

756
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,600
going on.
Or at least they'll go back and

757
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:52,280
maybe go to YouTube and and look
at a summary video, try to find

758
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,680
out.
Or they're going to get

759
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:58,480
frustrated at these quote UN
quote obscure references and be

760
00:44:58,480 --> 00:44:59,880
like, OK, you know what?
I'm done.

761
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:06,440
Because again, the audience that
they have right now, I feel like

762
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:09,600
is not the same audience they
have for the Infinity Saga.

763
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:13,480
Because after the Infinity Saga,
a lot of people, especially if

764
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:18,240
they're casual Marvel fans or if
they're just movie only fans,

765
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:22,000
you're bringing in all these new
characters that they don't

766
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,480
really have a emotional
connection to.

767
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:27,880
And it's, it's kind of hard to
get that.

768
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:32,320
Again, like we said, you're
introducing properties and then

769
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,560
because they don't do as well as
you want at the box office or

770
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:38,600
whatever the case may be, you
know, legal troubles, blah,

771
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:41,200
blah, blah.
You're not building on these

772
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:45,600
characters.
You're not giving people time to

773
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:48,360
get an emotional, an emotional
attachment to them.

774
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:50,440
And they're just giving up.
They're just like, OK, you know

775
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,280
what?
It's, it's not Iron Man, it's

776
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:54,360
not Thor, it's not Captain
America.

777
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,760
I don't care.
So one of those two things is

778
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:00,080
going to happen.
People are either going to be

779
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:03,520
interested enough to go back and
watch the TV shows or they're

780
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:05,960
just going to give up all
together, which will be a

781
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:10,080
problem because if people start
losing interest or start losing

782
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:16,600
more interest, I would say then
you got a problem because that

783
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:21,440
will mean that will lead to more
properties not being completed

784
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:24,920
or being cancelled or being
indefinitely postponed.

785
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:29,720
And then you know.
Well, and, and what's going to

786
00:46:29,720 --> 00:46:35,720
happen when people who this is
facing the majority of the

787
00:46:35,720 --> 00:46:40,680
audience who paid to go see
Avengers and Avengers end game,

788
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:44,280
they have only gone to see The
Avengers movies that, that

789
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:45,920
that's where all the money is
coming from.

790
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:50,800
What about those those people
who didn't go see Far from Home

791
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:56,120
and No Way Home and didn't see
the Multiverse of Madness and

792
00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:00,600
they don't have a cool and then
they go into an Avengers movie

793
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:03,680
and then there's or seen
Deadpool Wolverine.

794
00:47:04,240 --> 00:47:08,200
Let's just assume they didn't.
And then they go see the next

795
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:13,760
Avengers movie and then there's
a Deadpool Spider Man, you know,

796
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:21,240
or, or you know, a Thor Storm or
Captain Carter.

797
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:23,120
And it's not.
And they're looking and they're

798
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:24,960
like, what?
What is this?

799
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:28,360
You know.
What I mean, and, and we, me,

800
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:31,800
you and Mike were like, Oh yeah,
go, go.

801
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,640
And then the rest of the
audience is sitting there like,

802
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:38,000
what the fuck is this shit?
You know?

803
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:45,040
And I think that might be, I, I
hope not, but I feel, I feel

804
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:50,480
like that's what's going to
happen, that people are waiting

805
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:54,640
for an Avengers movie and then
they go to an Avengers movie and

806
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:59,400
they're and, and it's weird.
Killmonger is a Black Panther.

807
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,200
Like what?
What is going on here, You know

808
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:05,840
and so you know.
But I'm just saying that's such

809
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,840
a sad way to live, though.
I mean, it's like, I can't

810
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,600
every, every time, every time we
start talking about things like

811
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:15,760
this, I'm like, how do people
like, I can't imagine.

812
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:18,480
It's like the way I get mad at
people not knowing certain

813
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:21,720
things and like when I know,
know about certain things like

814
00:48:21,720 --> 00:48:24,320
in the comic or in movies or in
the show and now and other

815
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:27,080
people are like, huh.
And I'm just like, you know,

816
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:30,560
this is sad.
Like I'm past the point where

817
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:33,800
people like, like people used to
think nerds were sad because

818
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:36,520
they were into all this and they
were like, just just like

819
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:40,000
mentally like focused on
everything that happened in the

820
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:41,520
comics and everything else like
that.

821
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:44,480
But now it's like, first I'm
just like, how do you people

822
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:45,360
live?
I just.

823
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:48,840
Don't understand.
Well, I mean, that's kind of

824
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:51,440
like how I feel about certain
things too.

825
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:53,440
And that's something that
Anthony and Michelle have

826
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:56,560
constantly had tried to tell me.
They're like Hanukkah.

827
00:48:57,240 --> 00:49:00,720
People are not always going to
be on your level or on our level

828
00:49:00,720 --> 00:49:05,960
or on like, you know, among my
friends, I'm kind of like top

829
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:11,680
tier when it comes to nerdy
stuff among my let's say non

830
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:15,640
nerdy or casual nerdy friends.
But among like people like you

831
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:19,600
and Anthony, I'm kind of mid
level because I'm there, I can

832
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:22,600
keep up with y'all, but y'all
have comic book knowledge that I

833
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:25,040
may not necessarily have, you
know.

834
00:49:25,240 --> 00:49:29,200
So it's kind of like there's
levels to this shit and it just

835
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:30,920
depends on who you're talking
to.

836
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:35,920
But I'm the same way, like
especially with, you know, The

837
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,120
Walking Dead is one of one of my
big phantoms.

838
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:40,920
And I know there are people who
only watch the main show.

839
00:49:41,240 --> 00:49:42,960
They don't care about the spin
offs.

840
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:46,400
And you know, it gets
frustrating to me because when I

841
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:50,960
have debates with people about
certain characters, Negan is one

842
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,680
of them.
People are only talking about

843
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:58,040
him as far as what he was in the
main show.

844
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:04,440
And I'm like, Negan has a whole
whole other side to him that is

845
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:08,560
being explored in the spinoff,
that was explored in the extra

846
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:12,040
episodes of Season 10, which I
know there are some people who

847
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:14,960
didn't watch those episodes.
And I'm just like, how do you

848
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:19,040
consider yourself a fan?
But that's not fair to them

849
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:22,840
because they may not have the
level of interest in it that I

850
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:27,080
have or that we have for certain
things like these Marvel things.

851
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:30,360
I remember when they announced
Disney Plus, we're going to do

852
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:33,120
Marvel TV shows and block.
We were like, oh, bring it on

853
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:37,640
that there can't be too much.
But again, we're starting to see

854
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:40,680
there can be too much,
especially if you are not

855
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:46,080
properly developing the
characters and the stories that

856
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:49,440
you're telling.
Or, you know, if you keep trying

857
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:53,280
to make everything tie into the
bigger pitch picture, like

858
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:56,720
everything doesn't need to tie
into the bigger picture.

859
00:50:57,040 --> 00:51:01,320
We can have something that's a
marble property that has nothing

860
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:03,880
to do with the multiverse, that
has nothing to do with any of

861
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:08,280
this stuff and it'll be OK.
But if you try to over saturate

862
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:11,840
and make everything connect and
then things start to get a

863
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:16,360
little sloppy, it's going to be
like do y'all really need to do

864
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:18,880
that?
And I will say this, Marvin

865
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:27,280
Marvel better time.
Marvin Marvel better tighten

866
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:29,480
their shit.
They better get their shit

867
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:33,600
together before James Gunn
releases his Superman movie,

868
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:39,040
because with him being at DC,
he's already announced, you

869
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:42,120
know, they've already released
the trailer for his Superman

870
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:45,360
movie.
He's announced casting for his

871
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:49,240
Supergirl movie, which now
includes Jason Momoa.

872
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,960
Boy.
If if Marvel don't get their

873
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:56,120
shit together.
James.

874
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:59,520
Johnson is going to do what he
did with garlic, the Guardians

875
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:01,720
of the Galaxy, for Marvel.
He's going to do that with the

876
00:52:01,720 --> 00:52:03,800
DC.
He's already started.

877
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:05,040
It's like with creature
Commandos.

878
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:07,880
It's like creature Commandos,
like everybody, everybody who's

879
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:10,760
watched his loved that shit.
So it's like he's on because

880
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:13,720
he's he's doing that shit again,
just like he did with Guardian.

881
00:52:13,720 --> 00:52:16,640
He's like, he gets things that
are kind of obscure and he

882
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:19,880
builds them up and actually does
a good job in bringing them to

883
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:22,400
people.
So inside there's a reporting

884
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:27,360
there Superman did not test too
well in the test screens and

885
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:29,600
they've had to go back and fix
stuff, but that's neither here

886
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:33,160
nor there.
So not to not to beat a dead

887
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:40,400
horse on this issue.
The the concern with the TV

888
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:44,360
shows is you could do ATV show
like the Falcon and The Winter

889
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:46,680
Soldier and actually be really
good.

890
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:49,040
But one division and it'd be
really good.

891
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:53,080
But then when you start going
into the territory of is the

892
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:56,640
show going to be like a really
good show or a show where you're

893
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:59,200
going to have this really good
story, or is your focus to

894
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:01,920
introduce new characters that
you want to use in the movie?

895
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:06,800
You know, and and I don't know.
And it's almost like not only do

896
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:12,440
they blur the line that seem to
become your intention, like your

897
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:16,360
intent is we're doing this show
because it's a character that we

898
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:18,920
want to use in the movie.
So we're going to do it here in

899
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:22,680
the show, or let's introduce all
these characters in this show

900
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:24,720
because we're going to use them
later in the movie.

901
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:27,520
I don't really have a problem
with that.

902
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:30,760
Well, I kind of do because I
want to sit down and I want to

903
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:32,680
watch a show and I want to enjoy
the show.

904
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:35,840
I don't want to spend my time
being introduced to characters

905
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:38,400
that we're going to see later.
And then what does that mean?

906
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:41,200
Yeah, Yeah.
I mean, the Secret Invasion is a

907
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:44,800
perfect example of that.
You know it, it's one of those

908
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:49,200
shows we were all excited for
that show to come out.

909
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:51,680
We were like, oh, Nick Fury's
getting his own show.

910
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:52,920
We're going to find out a little
bit more.

911
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:58,080
And then when we get the show,
it's about Nick Fury, but it's

912
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:01,480
not about Nick Fury.
And then the Nick Fury that we

913
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:04,960
see in that.
Like I going back and thinking

914
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:09,640
about it, I do appreciate that
you're showing Nick Fury as more

915
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:12,680
of a flawed character and more
of a nuanced character.

916
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,240
I get that and I can appreciate
that.

917
00:54:15,240 --> 00:54:21,280
But I think for what we were
expecting at the time, it just,

918
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:24,840
I, I just don't think it did
what it was supposed to do.

919
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:27,880
I don't think it accomplished
what they set out to accomplish.

920
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:31,400
Because a lot of people,
especially if you weren't

921
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:36,760
watching Agents of SHIELD,
you're not going to care who

922
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:38,960
these people are.
You're not going to care who

923
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:42,000
this alien race is because
you're like why are y'all just

924
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:46,480
not introducing us to them?
Because we've only seen them in

925
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:48,960
what, Captain Marvel?
Right.

926
00:54:49,720 --> 00:54:53,280
And Agents of SHIELD And as we
all know and complain about,

927
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:57,800
Agents of SHIELD is not cannon.
So they so they claim.

928
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:00,640
So they claim.
It's only cannon when is

929
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:01,920
necessary.
Right.

930
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:05,280
So it's kind of like what, what
is this?

931
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:07,680
Why is this?
And if you're setting up for

932
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:10,800
something that's going to happen
a few years down the road.

933
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:15,520
Like you said before, Hanco,
it's no guarantee that that's

934
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:18,440
going to pan out for you.
So you just waste all this time

935
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:19,880
introducing this to new
characters.

936
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:24,800
Then production staff changes,
people die, things happen, and

937
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:27,240
you can't do it no more.
People get arrested, falsely

938
00:55:27,240 --> 00:55:30,880
accused of things and you can't
do it anymore, you know?

939
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:32,880
And it just throws your whole
thing off.

940
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:36,280
Like stop doing it.
And I think that's why I changed

941
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:38,880
my position on with it because I
accepted with it fast.

942
00:55:39,240 --> 00:55:40,760
OK, I see what y'all are doing
now.

943
00:55:41,240 --> 00:55:45,600
Y'all are giving us the ability
to understand the concept of

944
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:54,040
weird characters that you know,
because Horty, she now has her

945
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:57,120
own comic book series.
So that whole thing was to give

946
00:55:57,120 --> 00:56:01,480
her a platform to introduce us
to a new character.

947
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:05,680
And now we have multiple
properties of this character and

948
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:08,440
we were told we're going to see
a live action version of her.

949
00:56:09,240 --> 00:56:11,480
OK.
So that's what what if is what

950
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:14,440
if It's a platform, It's a
springboard for all these new

951
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:17,840
characters you want to introduce
us to started with Captain

952
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:23,320
Carter that we got Cohorty and
we were going to have some more

953
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:26,160
probably because we've seen it
now.

954
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:30,200
Yeah, yeah.
So if y'all want to give us

955
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:34,000
Eternals too, I wouldn't be mad.
I mean.

956
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:37,360
As long as they do it right.
I'm one of the people who

957
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:40,360
enjoyed that movie so.
I I don't think there's going to

958
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:43,840
be, there's not going to be 1.
I know, I know, but if we can

959
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:45,800
just see the characters again
that would be great.

960
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:52,000
If anything, if anything,
Captain America braving World

961
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:57,000
would be sort of a weird sequel
to Eternals.

962
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:00,320
If not, probably secret, we
probably see.

963
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:02,080
They will see him begin the
Secret Wars.

964
00:57:02,240 --> 00:57:03,920
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So.

965
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:07,680
I just want, I just want, I just
want them to do, I mean bring

966
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:11,680
back, bring back John, what's
his name and do Black Knight.

967
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:15,080
I mean, I don't even, it's like
I because he's a he'll, he'll be

968
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:17,360
a really good character in
certain things.

969
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:20,280
You mean Kit Harington?
Yeah, Kitty, bring back Kit

970
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:23,320
Harington's Black Knight,
because you can't tease him like

971
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:25,560
that.
Because I mean, they tease Blade

972
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:27,800
too, but it's just like.
Yeah, I was about to say it.

973
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:30,120
Look, they had blade this.
Point I don't give a fuck about

974
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:31,600
Blade.
You can just give me give me a

975
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:35,840
Black Knight movie and that shit
will be because I think that's

976
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:38,640
probably one of the things that
they were testing when they cast

977
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:41,560
Kit Harington is that they want
to probably want to bring in

978
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:45,280
people who like like him in Game
of Thrones to something that was

979
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:49,960
that had some medieval kind of
kind of qualities to it.

980
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:53,480
So it's like they're try trying
to expand their expand their fan

981
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:56,280
base by using him as the black
Knight, which would have worked.

982
00:57:56,720 --> 00:58:01,600
And, and I'm like just go with
that shit, but I don't know.

983
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:06,080
Yeah, they're, they're losing.
I was going to say they're

984
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:10,280
losing momentum.
Momentum is lost as far as Blade

985
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:13,720
and Black Panther and all that
stuff to be momentum is lost.

986
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:15,920
There's only one blade.
There's only going to be 1

987
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:18,680
blade.
And now they've painted

988
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:21,600
themselves into a corner where
people are like, OK, well, maybe

989
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:24,680
we should go ahead and get
Wesley Snipes his blade, you

990
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:28,080
know, now, now, now they've got,
now they've got this conundrum

991
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:31,920
where Mark Hashallah is like, I
don't like any of this crap

992
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:34,200
y'all keep giving me, you know
what I mean?

993
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:38,200
Like, I don't know.
That's the thing, are they even

994
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:40,720
giving him anything?
Because at this point I don't

995
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:43,600
even know.
Like I think the last news we

996
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:45,720
got, they lost the.
They either lost the.

997
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:49,520
Writer or they?
Lost the director so at this

998
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:54,560
point Mahershala is just sitting
back like OK what y'all doing

999
00:58:55,560 --> 00:59:01,360
you know?
But OK, getting back to what if

1000
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:04,720
because we have gone way into
the weeds as Anthony likes to

1001
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:07,320
say.
Do you guys have any final

1002
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:11,680
thoughts on this episode
featuring Miss Williams?

1003
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:15,360
This was my favorite episode of
the year of the season.

1004
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:20,680
I really enjoyed it.
I liked I liked the the

1005
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:24,160
characters.
The story wasn't bad.

1006
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:32,840
Like I said, once you accept it
for what it is, it is perfectly

1007
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:35,360
fine.
I'm not saying it just because

1008
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:39,440
of RiRi Williams.
I'm actually being genuine.

1009
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:41,480
I thought this was a pretty good
show.

1010
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:45,720
The what if aspects of it.
When I started thinking about,

1011
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:48,440
Oh yeah, that could have
happened with Quinn Beck.

1012
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:52,760
If, you know, he had, he had
gotten the glasses from, you

1013
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:54,840
know, Spider Man.
And, yeah, maybe there were some

1014
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:58,320
things that could have happened
that the Eternals kind of fumble

1015
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:02,320
the ball and we never got to
that point where they turned on

1016
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:06,120
the Celestials.
So I thought it was actually,

1017
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:07,800
you know, pretty good.
It was cute.

1018
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:10,240
The Titanic.
I was like, oh, yeah, it was a

1019
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:13,120
lost cause.
No wonder, all the time.

1020
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:16,160
So yeah, I thought it was pretty
good.

1021
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:18,600
Best episode of the year of the
season.

1022
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:22,000
So yeah, I give it really good
marks.

1023
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:24,720
OK.
Yeah, best episode was the last

1024
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:28,880
episode, but I digress.
We didn't ask you because we

1025
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:32,960
already knew this, Michael.
Shout out to shout out to the

1026
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:36,680
way the animation of RiRi taking
the nanites from Beck.

1027
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:39,360
I thought that was cool as shit
where she like phased through

1028
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:41,080
him and took him out and took
him out of him.

1029
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:45,800
That was cool as shit.
Also shout out to them for not

1030
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:50,280
doing the misogynistic Mysterio,
taking over Riri's body without

1031
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:52,320
her permission and wreaking
havoc.

1032
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:56,160
Yes, thank you for that.
Which was where he was going

1033
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:57,920
when he had when he had her
captured.

1034
01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:00,240
He was Whitney.
He was trying to say, yeah, I'll

1035
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:02,560
just take over from stereos,
take over visions body.

1036
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:05,160
And since you're Mr., it's like
she's like, no.

1037
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:07,080
She's like, no, what we not
gonna do?

1038
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:11,480
Right, the thing thanks like one
I'm shout out to Deborah Wilson.

1039
01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:14,480
For those who don't know,
Deborah Wilson was on Mad TV.

1040
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:16,320
She's one of my my favorite
comedians.

1041
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:17,960
She's really funny.
She voiced some additional

1042
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:20,400
voices in this episode.
I saw I saw her name in the

1043
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:21,720
credits and I was like, oh,
cool.

1044
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:26,840
Like she was on mad TV and Ditto
did Whitney Houston on mad TV

1045
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:31,800
and she she's really funny and
she has she had a I just want to

1046
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:34,560
give her a shout out.
The other watchers names are

1047
01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:36,800
imminent executioner and
Incarnate.

1048
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:39,480
So of course they're going to
come back later.

1049
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:43,240
So those are some really bad ass
names for them just to be

1050
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:46,040
sitting there and looking, I'm
like, how are you going to be

1051
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:47,920
called executioner?
And you're just watching stuff

1052
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:49,600
so you ain't going to be
executing shit.

1053
01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:52,760
You can't do that.
They look, they listen, and they

1054
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:57,520
don't judge.
But I think that's about to

1055
01:01:57,520 --> 01:02:01,040
change, right?
Because with those kinds of

1056
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:05,400
names, and with the Watcher
doing what he has now done

1057
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:09,440
twice, yeah, I think a day of
reckoning is about to come for

1058
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:12,160
him.
And he's he's, he's been doing

1059
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:14,480
this for three seasons.
They're just like there's like,

1060
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:16,640
look, mother fuckers, it's
enough.

1061
01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:19,800
Yeah, enough is enough.
Yeah, yeah.

1062
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:26,000
So I guess we'll figure out what
type of punishment awaits him.

1063
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:33,040
We have 3 episodes left for this
series and for now that is it

1064
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:35,440
for our show.
You can find us online at

1065
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:39,760
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1066
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:41,520
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1067
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:44,400
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1068
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:47,040
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1069
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:49,560
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1070
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:51,360
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1071
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:52,600
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