Marvel's What If...? S3E6 - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #336

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What's up, hybrids?
Welcome back to another episode

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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast.
This is Hanukkah and I am here

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with Anthony and Mike and we are
discussing Season 3, Episode 6

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of Marvel's What If series and
this is What If 1872 and focuses

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a lot on Shang Shi and Kate
Bishop.

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And I'm just going to venture
against Anthony that because you

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have it as your background that
you actually like this episode.

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I did.
I really did.

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I'm telling you, after deciding
that this is not the what if

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that I expected it, it has made
it a little bit more enjoyable.

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And which is funny because this
seems like an episode to the

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throwback of what if what I was
looking for just anthology

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stuff.
So they made it even more

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enjoyable.
It was just ah, this is nice.

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This is good.
This is.

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All you need was a change of
perspective.

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That's all you needed.
Yeah, it's amazing what a slight

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change in your perspective can
do OK.

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All right, so I will say this to
start this episode off, it will

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never, ever, ever get old seeing
John Walker get punched in the

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face.
Bro when they.

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Start the episode off and he's
there.

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First of all, that that first
scene, I was looking at it like,

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so are we about to get Kill Bill
Part 1?

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Because it it literally looks
like the church where they they

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gunned down the bride and they
had that whole thing.

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So I was like oh OK, so is this
telling me what I should expect?

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See for me it look like the
church from the recent version

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of the Magnificent 7.
Yeah, or the one that that

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Western movie with Jonathan
Majors.

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Yeah, that's what it kind of
reminded me of.

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I was just like, OK, I mean, I
was into it A.

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Good one.
I mean, what?

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What Western?
Yeah, what Western doesn't have

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an old Lapidated Church as the
last?

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As the last stand.
Right.

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But yeah, so.
So when you come in and you have

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the little group and you hear
John Walker and first of all,

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when I heard his voice, I just
rolled my eyes like, OK, what

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are we about to do?
It's.

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It's on.
It's just an automatic response

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now.
Every time, every time you hear

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his voice, you just like
everyone's just like, here comes

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here comes fucking great value
cap again, like.

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Right.
Even and even even some of his

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lines in the beginning of this
because he's, you know, he's

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leading this this group, they're
trying to summon Shangshi.

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And they're talking about like
the whole premise of this

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episode is that there is a
presence in the West called the

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hood.
And apparently he has been

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taking Chinese immigrants who
have come over to the New world

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to, you know, get a better life.
They've been working on the

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railroads and they've been
kidnapped and the hood has taken

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these Chinese immigrants.
We don't know why, but basically

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he's looking for power and he's
using, he's using Americans fear

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of these new immigrants to kind
of build his power.

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And so nobody's really looking
for these immigrants.

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I know we're not even.
So nobody's looking for these

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immigrants except for Sean Chi
because his sister was one of

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the people who came over looking
for a better life, got into a

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fight with this so-called Hood
and disappeared.

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So he's out looking for her with
his partner, Hawkeye, Kate

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Bishop.
And when John Walker summons

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them there and they start
fighting Sean, she starts asking

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him and he's like, where's the
hood?

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Where's my sister?
And John Walker said something

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about what do I care about a
bunch of Chinese immigrants?

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I said Oh my God yes they really
did keep him an asshole in this.

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Episode and then then he then
Chung she gave him five to the

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back hand side.
I was like, oh damn, you like

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watch.
He was like, let me ask you

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again.
I tell you, I tell you.

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So thankfully that was the only
time we saw him in this episode

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because I was like, if I have to
listen to him for the entire

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episode, this is going to get
real old real quick.

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Because that is just that's one
of those characters that just

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I'm already trying to bite my
tongue because we're going to

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have to deal with him in
Thunderbolts.

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And I'm like, do we really have
to see this character?

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It's OK, they dealt.
With OK, and they moved.

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So so I'm going to I'm going to,
even though I've changed my

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perspective, I'm going to bring
up my bone to pick.

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And you know what my bone to
pick is?

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I've said it almost every
episode so far.

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Stop bringing in these quote, UN
quote obscure characters that no

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one's going to know, right?
Like if you're watching with if,

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which I know with if, it's not
really for the mainstream

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people, but if the mainstream
people are going to watch with

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if they don't know who John
Walker is, and then thinking

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like, well, who the hell is John
Walker?

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And you would like to say, like
Mike says, well, maybe it'll

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encourage them to go back and
watch the Falcon and Inventor

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Soldier, but why?
Because you wouldn't even know.

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That's where you would find John
Walker, right?

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Right.
You know what I mean?

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You wouldn't even know.
Like, who's John Walker?

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Why should I care?
So to them, it's just John

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Walker.
It's just a character.

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It doesn't mean he doesn't.
It doesn't mean anything.

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Yeah.
Yeah, You know what I'm saying?

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Yeah, but you could say the same
thing about Sunny Birch too.

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I mean it's like they brought
back the villain from and and

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then the Wasp and it's like.
We could, we could like we get

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this rather ball off.
OK, so him I did not remember.

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I did not.
I was like who?

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Was this kid?
So soon as I heard, soon as I

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heard Walter Goggins voice, I
knew exactly that's who the fuck

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it was.
I was like.

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The bottom of the fucking
barrel.

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That's like that's the that's
the OK sunny birds is more of

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the side of the barrel than the
than the very bottom.

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It's be more of a side scrape
character.

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I mean, it's like.
The only redeeming quality is

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that he was actually in the
movie.

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And you know, and maybe a Marvel
person, a mainstream Marvel,

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because I don't consider us
mainstream Marvel fans, but a

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mainstream Marvel fan might
remember if they saw the movie,

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who he was.
Because I had to think about,

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I'm like, how long I had to
think about it.

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Wait, wait, who is he again?
No, I caught.

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No, I caught.
I didn't.

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Remember.
I caught.

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I caught him.
It's his voice.

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How can you not?
Walter.

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Walter.
Yeah, I was sitting there

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looking like, who is this
character?

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Like the voice sounds familiar
and funnily enough, that

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actually drew the character to
look like him.

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So that was that was a no
brainer.

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But the name Sonny Birch.
I was like, I feel like I should

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know this name.
I feel like it.

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It's like tickling the back of
my brain, but I couldn't figure

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it out.
But I mean, it's like I

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understand what they're doing as
far as pulling in the obscure

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characters because the these are
not, I think for the quote, UN

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quote, like you said, mainstream
people.

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Anthony, I think if you, I kind
of want to say maybe they're

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trying not to confuse the people
who aren't the over and above

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fans like us, because it's like
you look at some of the

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characterizations of who we see.
And let's let's say in this

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episode specifically Shang XI,
Jai Lin, Kate Bishop, if you've

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watched any of the properties
with those characters, they

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pretty much are the same thing
on screen in this.

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And then another one, maybe
they're bringing in the obscure

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characters just because we need
some random bad guys.

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And it doesn't matter if you
just put them in here for 3-4

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minutes and then just kind of
toss them to the side.

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You know, at least it's it's
just a again, a tickle your

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brain thing because someone
would have heard John Walker's

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name before.
And even if they don't watch the

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shows, they probably would have
looked him up by now because

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he's sitting in the back of
Alexi's car in the trailer for

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the Thunderbolts.
So it's like if you're hitting

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him in this in the major
releases, maybe they'll be

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curious enough to say, OK, who
is this guy?

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Let's.
And why is he wearing, you know,

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Yeah.
Let let let's step back for

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just.
I know this is not about what

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if, but let's let's just step
back for a second and look at

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the big picture, right?
Who's going to go watch

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Thunderbolts?
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

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I'm talking about the mainstream
Marvel audience.

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Who's going to go watch
Thunderbolts?

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They.
Most of them, probably.

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I'm worried.
I'm worried.

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Really.
I'm worried.

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I'm worried.
No, I'm worried because you you

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look at the only I have to look
again.

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But I think the only like
recognizable real person on

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there is going to be lucky.
Lucky and I think that'll be

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enough to bring you.
Think that's going to be enough?

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Yes, boy, he better be all over
the marketing.

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Like he better be all over.
Bucky and Bucky and Yelena.

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Yelena has a way bigger no.
No, no, no.

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But here's the no, no, no, no.
Yelena is only for people who

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watched Brett Widow.
And how many was that?

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The Hawkeye.
And how many was that?

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I'm no what, no, what I'm
saying, What I'm saying is

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they're bringing her forward in
enough time where people can

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actually, actually figure out
who she is.

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Like for when When.
In the first, in the in the

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trailers, in the trailers, in
the first trailer, there's

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basically mostly all her like
if.

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You have never watched any of
the Marvel TV shows on Disney

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Plus.
You watch that trailer, you

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might know ghosts, and you
definitely know Becky.

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No, you're not going to know
ghosts.

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I was, I was going to say I
would, I would, I would think.

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You.
Know Elena before they would

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know ghosts because Elena for
those people who are part of

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that original Avengers die hard
fans, they they went to go see

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black people, they went they
went.

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I'm I'm not, I'm that's a
different category of people.

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I'm talking about the audience
that makes the money.

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The audience that makes the
movies the money.

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That makes the money are the
people.

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Who knows the.
Movies and she was in Black

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Widow.
So the people, the mainstream

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NCU fans who only really watch
The Avengers, Avengers in game,

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you know, Avengers Infinity
Saga, Infinity War, those people

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did not watch.
I'm telling you, they did not

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watch Black Widow.
He didn't.

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It's the the numbers were shown.
The numbers show the numbers

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show the the movie.
The movie was a bomb.

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It flopped the most.
People did not go see that.

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Because.
The people did not go see it but

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but this I think.
It was.

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I don't think it was the
mainstream people who didn't go

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see it.
The people who were invested in

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The Avengers went to go see it.
Because finally we're getting a

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Black Widow film, even though it
was late and there was a whole

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bunch of mess behind it.
But I think the other people who

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had, who had probably come in
during the Infinity Saga saw

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what Phase I don't even Phase 4
started to be.

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Because remember, Black Widow
got released like towards the

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end of Phase four.
They had already started doing

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the shows they had already done
I, I think a couple of other

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movies.
So the ones who aren't as

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invested, those are the ones who
didn't go see Black Widow.

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Those of us who.
Like they didn't.

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Yeah.
Yeah, the the, the people like

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us and Mike, we went to go see
Black Widow because we're kind

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of invested into the MCU.
I'm talking about the majority

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of the people who pushed these
movies up over a billion

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dollars.
Those are the people that don't

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watch the Disney Plus shows.
Those are the people who are

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like my mother-in-law who, yeah,
she's watching Avengers and

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Avengers in game and she she
watches those all the time.

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But she's not going to watch
Quantum Mania.

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She's not going to watch Doctor
Strange and the Multiverse of

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Madness.
She's definitely not watching

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any of the Disney Plus TV shows.
That's your typical right and.

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That's why we were.
That's why Mike.

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And I were saying what makes no
sense.

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For them to recognize ghosts
over Yelena.

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No, that was, I was just saying
if anything, maybe they saw Ant

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Man, the Ant Man movies because
those were over.

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Black Widow.
Because, yeah, Because who?

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Yeah, You really think that
people went to go?

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See, let me, let me go, let me
go, let me go, let me go, Ant

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man.
Two over Black Widow.

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You can put up the numbers and
see which movie most people saw

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because our I'm.
Sure, now I'm curious about

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that.
OK.

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But anyway, we continue our
discussion about what if.

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But I just wanted to to, to say
that I'm just worried about

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about Thunderbolts because I
don't think anybody, I don't

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think the majority of people are
gonna go see that movie.

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I think the trails did a good
enough job to make people

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curious about it, I think.
I think it'll do fine.

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I mean, to your to your point,
it's like most people don't know

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wouldn't put Sam and Captain
America together unless they

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stay to the end of end game.
And they definitely don't know

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who Falcon is because Falcon was
in Falcon in The Winter Soldier

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and they they wouldn't know who
Isaiah Bradley is or they they

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they look at Harrison Ford and
be like who the flies fucking

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watch fucking Indiana Jones in
it.

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So it's like you if you're
afraid of four thunderbolts need

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to be afraid for the Captain
America.

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Captain America.
Movie.

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I'm not afraid.
For either one of them, I think

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it'll be fine.
I hate to say it, I do agree

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with Anthony.
I'm afraid for Captain in

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America because of all the
reasons that you just listed

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might.
Now me, you know me.

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I love Sam Wilson.
I love Captain America.

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I'm going to see the movie
regardless.

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It can be a flop and I'm still
going to go see the movie

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because I love those characters
and I'm invested in that story.

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It's the same reason why I'm
going to see Thunderbolts

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because I'm invested in Bucky
Barnes now why they don't have

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Bucky and and Sam in the same
movie that I'm hoping they will

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explain in one or two or both of
those films.

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But it's kind of like, I get
what I get what you're saying

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and and Anthony is, I think
Anthony is right.

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They're going to have to do some
heavy, heavy promotion for

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Captain America, which I have
seen they've started to do

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because of the fact that you
don't have the people who put it

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together that, you know, when
Steve Rogers gave Sam the

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shield, he really was casting
along the mantle of Captain

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America.
I've seen the comments on social

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media where people are like,
that's not my Captain America,

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blah, blah, blah.
I've seen all the bullshit.

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But you know so.
The worldwide The worldwide

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gross for Ant Man and the Wasp
was about $623 million.

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This is decent and reasonable.
The worldwide gross for Black

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Widow was 318 million.
OK, we also have to put this one

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thing on it too.
We have to remember Ant Man came

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out before COVID.
Black Widow came out after COVID

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and it was a dual release.
They came out in the theaters

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and in streaming, so that could
have affected those numbers.

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It could, it could have, but
even the streaming numbers were

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low for for it so.
Yeah, because a lot of people

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don't have Disney Plus and
refuse to get Disney Plus.

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But that's neither here nor
there.

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We're we're we look, we've
traped off into the weeds.

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Let's pull it back.
Because the original intent of

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this or the original start of
this was the whole John Walker

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thing.
Having John Walker in this I

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think does kind of make sense
because you just need someone

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who is enough of a villain,
enough of a bad guy that he can

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come in, kind of get the action
started, and just as quickly be

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pulled off.
And like I said, watching him

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get punched and getting his ass
whipped, that will never get old

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to me, whether it's an animated
form or not.

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So he served his purpose.
Going on to the rest of the

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episode, I will say this, I did
like the episode.

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However there are there's like 1
main thing that bothered me

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about the story.
And you know, as I mentioned,

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Shang Shi, his sister came over
to the United States, you know,

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trying to find a better life,
tried to save her people from

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this hood person and then
disappeared.

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And then, of course, Shawn, she
and Kate Bishop now are looking

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for her and they're trying to
track down who this hood person

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was because apparently he also
killed Kate Bishop's family.

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So the only thing about this is
I feel like at that point the

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story started to feel a little
predictable because it almost

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mirrors what happened in Shang
Shi and the 10 rings in terms of

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Zhai Ling being the bad guy,
being the person that Shang Shi

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was after without him knowing
that that was who he was going

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after.
I did kind of have a problem,

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have a problem with that because
I was like predictable, much

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like they could have done
something else different, which

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they kind of sort of did because
the hood that she was wearing

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was kind of corrupting her,
which I was like that kind of

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looks like Doctor Strange's
cloak.

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But I.
Don't think it was.

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You think it was?
No, it wasn't.

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Nope, I got that.
I got that.

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OK, OK, go.
Ahead, the red.

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The Red hood is actually is it.
You're going to see it again in

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Iron Heart because that's what
Anthony Ramos's character is

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going to be wearing.
It's going to be the.

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Main feeling in in Iron Heart.
So I looked at I was like, I

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thought so too, but then I was
like, they're calling it the Red

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Hood and I'm like, there has to
be a reason for that.

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So I'm like, oh, I looked it up
and then ran.

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Sure enough, Anthony, Anthony
Robinson's character Neinhardt

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is the Red Hood, which is
probably what he he probably

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found the Red Hood, put it on
and is actually going to it

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actually is something that
possesses people.

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It's like it's kind of like the
mask where if you put it on, it

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gives you the powers that it
possesses and you don't have

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that much control over it.
So that's what's good.

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That's what that is just like
the hood chooses this person and

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takes them over and make and
they end up, you know, power

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tripping with it.
So.

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They call it the redhead or they
just call it the hood.

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It's just.
The hood.

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They're called the hood, but
it's like when you look at I

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looked it up and it said it's
the Red hood.

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And say the character wears a
red hood and the hood has two

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guns with it.
So it's like you he basically.

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It it, it turns you into a bag,
it turns you into a bag.

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It's evil and it possesses you.
OK.

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Yeah, I want to, I want to jump
on with what Hanukkah said.

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From the very beginning, I knew
how this was going to play out.

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Like, it's obvious that his
sister is going to be good.

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Like, right.
It's almost like you wish they

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hadn't even mentioned her.
And and in the end, it shows

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her.
And you're like, Oh my God, it's

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my sister.
You know, I'm saying like don't

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set it up so to make it so easy
for us.

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You know, I mean, but you but
you had to know that's how it's

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going to happen.
It's just like everybody knew

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that Bucky was The Winter
Soldier.

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It's like as soon as they saw
them, they're like, oh, come on.

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It's like they talk about Bucky
a little bit.

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Then it's like if you if you
don't know anything about let's

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like Martin mainstream Marvel
people who maybe saw the first

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Captain America know that
Bucky's gone, Then it's like

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they like talk about a little
bit in between before we went on

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soldier and they're like, oh,
where they're like.

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I didn't know I like it.
It completely escaped me.

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And when when that reveal was
made in the movie theater, I was

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like, Oh my God, 'cause I had no
clue.

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So that I did.
But they were.

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But the marketing, the marketing
wasn't trying to hide it from

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you.
But I'm just saying for this,

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though, you don't really have a
point of reference.

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So they could have gone the
whole episode without him

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mentioning his sister, you know?
Yeah, but.

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It's.
Like they could have got a

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surprise again.
But but from the way they did

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it, it's like his sister came
over trying to figure out what's

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happening to all the Chinese
people.

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She starts fighting somebody,
then she disappears.

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And I'm just like, oh, OK,
that's.

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Yeah, like.
I said it was very that's that's

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all they say until she starts
fighting her.

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The next thing you know, he
takes the cloak down and you see

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her and you're like, you're
like, no, I'm not, no.

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You're just not.
It's.

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Like I already, it's like just
like you said, we already knew

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that that's what it was.
Yeah, if she was dead, you know,

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but she.
Fought the hood, she.

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If she said she had fought the
hood and he killed her, that's

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different than saying she fought
the hood and disappeared.

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It's like, I mean, I know I'm
nitpicking here, but I'm just

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kind of like, oh, don't, don't
just make it so obvious.

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Especially to those of us who
have actually watched the movie

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because it literally follows
Shang Shi and Jiaolin's story

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from the actual film, just with
a a few tweaks here and there,

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you know?
But I don't know if I agree with

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that.
No, yeah, Uncle's a little right

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on this one.
She's a little right.

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I mean derivatives.
It's it's adjusted a little bit

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for what if, but it's literally
the same story.

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Like, if you wanted to surprise
me with this.

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OK, you have Shang Chi, You have
Kate Bishop.

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You have them looking for Shang
Chi's sister.

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OK, All right, We got them
going.

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You got missing Chinese
immigrants, which in that sense,

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it doesn't make sense that one
of their own would kidnap them,

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especially for the purposes that
we have been told the Hood is

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trying to use them for.
He's trying to create an army, a

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basically of slaves and it it
doesn't make sense.

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So if you want to really
surprise me with this story,

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they could have fought and when
the hood was taken off and

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revealed, it could have been
Clint Barton under the hood.

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That would have surprised the
the the shit out of me.

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It could have been one of the
other quote UN quote good guys.

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It could have, even if since
you're bringing in start

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technology, you've got Simon
Birch, you're talking about

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hammer industry, It could have
been one of those characters and

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I would have been.
Like Justin Hammer over Dive

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Sting, it could have been.
No, I.

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Mean like to me, Obadiah would
have Obadiah probably would have

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made more sense in this as a as
a random let's pull him in as

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the villain then he did in the
the the the episode from a

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couple of.
The Red Guardian one.

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Yeah, because once you realize
that that's who it is, it's kind

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of like, Oh yeah, that's
predictable because he tried to

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kill Tony Stark in in the
movies.

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I'm just saying switch it up a
little bit.

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Don't make it so predictable.
Like the whole point of what if

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is that you're taking characters
and you're putting them in

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scenarios that are different
from the way that we know them.

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And I know that there are some
things that are going to stay

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the same with certain
characters.

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Like I don't think we've ever
seen Peggy Carter be evil in any

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of these episodes.
You don't, you know, there's

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certain characters that you kind
of have to have that that

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consistency.
But they could have done a

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little bit different with this
and I wouldn't have been mad.

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But it's kind of like it's
Jolene.

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Of course it's Jolene.
And then to make her to make her

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as vengeful against her brother
as she was.

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And we don't realize that she's
being possessed by the hood

450
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:29,280
until the end.
It's like, so the whole point of

451
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:32,280
you doing this is that you're
trying to liberate your people.

452
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:38,480
You're trying to band them
together to make this land, this

453
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,800
America land, what you were
promised.

454
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,120
It was supposed to be, you know,
you're trying to make it the

455
00:25:44,120 --> 00:25:47,120
promised land.
Why would you be so gung ho

456
00:25:47,120 --> 00:25:52,160
about killing your own brother?
If saving your people is that

457
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:53,960
important?
Your brother could have said,

458
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:55,720
no, I'm not going to help you do
this.

459
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,320
And you could have been like,
OK, we'll just stay out of my

460
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,040
way.
But no, you go from, oh, if

461
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,680
you're not going to join me, I'm
going to kill you.

462
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,920
There's no in between.
What?

463
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:08,200
Cuz she's possessed.
She's.

464
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,360
But we don't know that she's
possessed.

465
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:15,160
We get no.
We get no indication how the.

466
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,280
Stripes on her face could tell.
You could tell by the stripes on

467
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,080
her face, could tell you that
that something was wrong, that

468
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:22,560
there was something going on
with her.

469
00:26:23,120 --> 00:26:25,160
Those could have been scars from
fighting the hood from.

470
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:30,000
Fighting the hood.
No, I, I, I got, I got it right

471
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,840
away.
I, I OK, I'm just going, I'll

472
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,120
just talk it up as I'm just
going to disagree with y'all

473
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:39,080
throughout this thing because I
got it right away that that she

474
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,480
was possessed by it and that she
wasn't acting under her own her

475
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,640
own devices.
I was like, I was like, that's

476
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:46,320
not her.
Like why, why would she say that

477
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,480
unless she was possessed?
That's that's, that's, that's

478
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,440
really how I was thinking.
It's like she's doing this.

479
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,720
She says she she would never try
to kill her brother unless it

480
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,680
was under duress.
She was under duress and.

481
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:58,960
We don't know that about her
character and this, so why would

482
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:03,600
we think that?
Well, she damn she, she damned

483
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:05,680
me, put his ass through the
ringer in.

484
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:09,640
But she wasn't trying to kill
him then.

485
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,640
And we knew what we knew she had
a motive for that.

486
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,000
She was pissed because he left
her.

487
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:18,120
She asked him not to leave and
he was like, I'm, I'm leaving.

488
00:27:18,120 --> 00:27:19,720
I got to go do this, I'll come
back.

489
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:24,320
And then he ghosted her.
So she had the motive for that

490
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,400
anger, but she wasn't trying to
kill him.

491
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:31,600
She was just trying, which is.
Understandable, I get that.

492
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:35,040
That's fine.
But she but she was clearly, her

493
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:38,440
face was Gray and scratched and
it's like that's her being

494
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,160
possessed.
It's like it was she was

495
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:41,760
completely different than she
did before.

496
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:46,000
I I have a hard time making that
leap of logic on that I just

497
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,400
because I just thought it was
just scars from the battle with

498
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:50,520
the hood.
Right.

499
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,920
Because I mean, you can't think
that you're going to have that

500
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:59,680
kind of battle with someone who
is that fabled in this time and

501
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,920
in this part of the world and
not walk away with with a few

502
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:04,960
scratches.
So yeah, I mean that's.

503
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:08,000
True, but it's like I still
think, I still think that she

504
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,440
that she, the way she looked and
talked showed that she was under

505
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,000
control, under some otherworldly
control.

506
00:28:14,360 --> 00:28:18,360
So.
And I, I, I feel like that's

507
00:28:18,360 --> 00:28:21,440
only because you're familiar
with the character, because

508
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:26,280
again, we have no point of
reference for this version of

509
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:29,840
the character prior to them
fighting.

510
00:28:30,120 --> 00:28:32,680
We don't know what her regular
voice sounds like.

511
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:34,840
We don't know what her regular
behavior is.

512
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:38,080
We don't know what her regular
personality is because we've not

513
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,280
been introduced to that.
All we know is that she came

514
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:45,800
over as a hopeful young lady
wanting a better life.

515
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:50,720
She finds out what's going on
with this hood person and him

516
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:54,640
taking all her people and she
tries to fight for justice.

517
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,520
Why would we think that she that
she's the evil person now?

518
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:04,200
Because that has that that was
nothing to do with her MO as far

519
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,120
as what happened before she
disappeared.

520
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,520
I mean, I get what you're
saying, and I'm not going to say

521
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:10,640
you're wrong.
I'm not going to say that we're

522
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,680
wrong.
We just all looked at it

523
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,600
differently.
And I just feel like, yeah, I

524
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,520
feel like it was kind of
influenced by what we already

525
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,520
know about the character, you
know?

526
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:23,760
I get that.
I mean, it's just like, I just

527
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:29,200
don't see that.
I just don't, I just don't it.

528
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:34,280
And another thing is, I'll give
you that they really the way

529
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,520
they set it up, even though it's
predictable was kind of weird.

530
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,760
And it's like you'd like they
they could have done a better

531
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:45,240
job of how they set it up.
But it's like, I mean, we all

532
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,440
knew what was going to happen.
So it's like whatever.

533
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:51,040
Yeah, they could have even made
John Walker the the hood in this

534
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,840
one now would have been like,
oh, OK, that's interesting.

535
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:56,800
Like.
What may have sito in the

536
00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:00,440
Acolyte where he's like he he's
like totally in depth in real

537
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,800
life and the next thing you
know, he's like a Red Hood

538
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,200
master.
I have not seen the acolyte, so

539
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:10,400
I wouldn't know.
Oh damn, sorry, spoiler shit

540
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,720
damn, it's fine, my bad.
Yeah.

541
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:18,080
But the other thing about this
whole thing is the stuff that's

542
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:22,400
happening with Kate Bishop.
Because while Shang Shi is out

543
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,520
confronting the hood, who he
later finds out is his sister,

544
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:29,600
Kate Bishop is being held on
this train cart that they have

545
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:34,680
found at with, what's his name,
Simon Birch, with Simon Birch's

546
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:38,280
character.
And he's apparently, he's

547
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:42,320
apparently, like in control of
the muscle for the hood.

548
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:48,080
So he has all these soldiers and
he has this little device, this

549
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:52,680
little pocket watch that plays
the hypnotic tune and it puts

550
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:56,720
Kate kind of in a trance, the
same kind of trance that they

551
00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:00,120
find the the Chinese immigrants
on the train.

552
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:05,360
So when he has her in this
trance, he starts monologuing.

553
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:07,280
Of course.
Duh.

554
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,560
What else are, you know,
mustache twirling villains

555
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:14,280
supposed to do?
Exactly.

556
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:15,360
That's it.
That's that's their whole

557
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:19,000
purpose.
You have her under your control

558
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,400
for right now.
You have her under this trance.

559
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:26,120
You don't have her shackled,
handcuffed.

560
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:29,320
You don't have her restrained in
any other way.

561
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:37,520
And yes, you, you don't have her
restrained in any way.

562
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:43,360
And then you are so fucking
confident in what you are doing.

563
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:47,920
You decide to tell this person
who is fabled across the land

564
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:53,360
for her gun slinging skills and
her penchant for justice.

565
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:59,440
You decide to reveal to her that
the is not the person who killed

566
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,920
her parents.
What?

567
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:08,080
Not only did he do it because of
business, Oh, we enjoyed killing

568
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:12,440
them.
What and and Andy, Andy had he

569
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,240
had, he had her gun, He said I'm
going to kill you with your

570
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:15,720
parents gun.
So I'm going to kill.

571
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:21,280
You with your mama's guns.
And I say this about villains

572
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:25,880
all the time.
I don't know what it is about

573
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:30,960
them that you think that your
puny little device or your puny

574
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:36,800
little whatever is restraining
this person enough that you can

575
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:43,280
reveal the biggest thing to
upset them.

576
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:48,880
The the like literally the main
reason she is out hunting these

577
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:54,360
western streets for the hood.
You reveal that information to

578
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,560
her and you think it's not going
to do anything to her.

579
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,640
Like you think that there's no
chance of you.

580
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:04,480
I just I don't understand.
I mean why?

581
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,600
Why But why would he think that?
But why would he think that?

582
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,040
Because he has a whole train
full of reasons to think that

583
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,440
his watch would work.
The only the only reason that

584
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,960
the spell was broken is because
is because what's his name?

585
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,840
Kwaijin Pham rang the bell.
Ringing the bell is the only

586
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:19,080
thing that snapped her out of
it.

587
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:21,960
If he didn't he hadn't rung that
bell she would still be under

588
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,120
his control.
He has a whole train full of

589
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:27,320
Chinese workers that are still
under the control of the watch.

590
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,120
Even though he only he had it in
his pocket and didn't bring it

591
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,200
out.
He brought it out for Kate and

592
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,640
put her under and she couldn't
move because it's that's how it

593
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:37,440
worked.
That's exactly how it's worked

594
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,200
for him in the past.
Why would he think that it would

595
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,400
be different?
He didn't expect quite little,

596
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,800
little little drunken fist to go
over there and start ringing the

597
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:48,880
bell and and like and snapping
people out of snapping her out

598
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:50,320
of it.
He did not expect that.

599
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:52,240
So why would he have it tied up?
He didn't.

600
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:53,600
He wouldn't think he needed it
and.

601
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:57,760
I guess that's part of the
that's part of the thing because

602
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,560
you're, you're the evil person.
You know that when, when they

603
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:02,760
walked on this train, there were
three of them.

604
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:06,080
Now, granted, you sent your
boys, you sent two of your hench

605
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,040
men to go kill the little boy.
Nope.

606
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:11,880
That's the.
Watchers fault and I understand

607
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:15,080
that, but here's my thing as the
person who is leading all of

608
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:20,400
these people, you sent two men
to go kill a little boy and your

609
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:24,080
two men haven't come back yet
and nothing about that concerned

610
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:27,360
you.
No, because they were Lally

611
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:28,800
gagging.
They did what they're supposed

612
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:33,120
to do and they're chilling.
Yes, I'm with Mike on this one.

613
00:34:34,679 --> 00:34:36,840
I mean, he he he how how was
sunny?

614
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:41,320
How was sunny Birch?
Expect expect a expect a big

615
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,679
headed.
Big headed extraterrestrial to

616
00:34:44,679 --> 00:34:47,040
knock his men off the train and
save the boy.

617
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:50,480
He played much.
About the Watcher, You don't

618
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:54,199
know who else they had with you.
You don't know what this boy is

619
00:34:54,199 --> 00:34:56,960
capable of.
You as a villain, you are

620
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,040
supposed to have your sights on
everything.

621
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,680
If you know you have one enemy
out here, you have another one

622
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:08,280
sitting here.
There is another variable that

623
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,840
you have not accounted for.
Yes, you sent your men to go

624
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,160
kill him.
Your men have not come back.

625
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:19,880
And I'm sorry, Anthony, every,
every, every, every movie, TV

626
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:24,720
show that we have seen with
villains and villain bosses and

627
00:35:24,720 --> 00:35:29,120
hench men.
Hench men don't do lollygagging.

628
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:33,640
They don't do what they want to
do on a whim, No, you go do what

629
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,640
the boss tells you to do and you
come back just in case the boss

630
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:40,200
needs you to do something else.
I am not buying, no.

631
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,360
I don't know, I, I, I've seen,
I've seen playing movies where

632
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,840
where the Hinchman and Lily gag.
I think it was one, I think it

633
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:50,840
was Once Upon a time in Mexico
where they were told to torture

634
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:54,560
someone and one of the Hinchman
after the boss was like, yeah,

635
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,080
Nah, I'm not in the that torture
thing.

636
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,040
And they didn't talk to the guy.
So it happens.

637
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:05,680
I mean, I'm with Mike on this
one and and up until this point,

638
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:10,200
Sunny has had no reason to think
that every that anything he does

639
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:11,800
isn't working out to his
benefit.

640
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,320
He has.
Not had to go up against him

641
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,920
like Shang Shi and Kate Bishop.
Maybe he has.

642
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:24,080
They got to start technology, so
apparently they do.

643
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,920
He has succeeded at everything
he's done.

644
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,400
Basically, how does he have,
there's no no chance he he can

645
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,880
get Stark tech without a fight.
You knew Tony Stark put up a

646
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:34,480
fight.
But yeah, he's then still, he

647
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,520
has Stark tech and it's like
Chongqi's over there fighting

648
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,640
with the Red Hood.
He doesn't have any idea.

649
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:41,520
He's not out there counting.
He's not in there counting hench

650
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:43,880
men like 123.
OK, I only have 18 hench men.

651
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:45,800
Where are those two guys that
took that little boy to throw

652
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:47,640
him off the train?
You know, just talk about that.

653
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:51,400
He has Kate, he has Kate Bishop
in front of her, in front of

654
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:52,880
him.
And he's like, and he has his,

655
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:56,600
his her mom's gun on his side.
And he's like, oh, I'm about to,

656
00:36:56,720 --> 00:36:59,560
I'm about to crash her.
Let me go ahead and click and

657
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:01,960
turn this on.
So she said, I can, I can

658
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,960
monologue for her and let her
know what's up.

659
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:06,880
Because it's like he doesn't
care.

660
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:11,640
Sunny Birch is not the level of
bad guy to to really cover his

661
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,280
tracks that well, you know that
he wasn't that he wasn't in love

662
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,120
with that guy and Ant Man and
the Wasp.

663
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,080
He was a terrible he.
Was.

664
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,960
Terrible.
He was terrible.

665
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,800
He's probably.
Why I don't remember him?

666
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,040
Exactly.
He's not the he's not the type

667
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,120
of villain that that covers his
tracks like that.

668
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,360
He.
I mean, and, and for example,

669
00:37:31,720 --> 00:37:36,240
for example, over Dietstein have
the same technology in the Iron

670
00:37:36,240 --> 00:37:40,520
Man movie and he used it on Tony
and instead of just going ahead

671
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,840
and killing Tony, he takes the
finger out and tell Tony exactly

672
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:47,920
what he's going to do, you know,
and reveals himself to be the

673
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:49,960
bad guy.
And then turned around and got

674
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:53,520
his ass handed to him because.
Exactly because.

675
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:54,160
Because.
He was.

676
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,040
Hoping, yeah, he's over there
hoping that he'd die.

677
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,040
I'm like, you can't hope that
you that's.

678
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,360
The point I'm trying to make
with Sonny Burke like.

679
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:04,920
He's not that level of bad guy.
That's.

680
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,760
What I'm trying to right, but
the difference is if you going

681
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:08,720
to.
Kill them.

682
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:12,080
Just kill them because because
if you don't, you're giving them

683
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,080
a chance to come back and do
their.

684
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,040
Right.
But the difference is Obadiah

685
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:22,080
has been failing at what he's
trying to do, right?

686
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,760
So he has expectation of
failure.

687
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:27,920
He is saying he's not failed at
everything.

688
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,880
He's succeeded at every step of
the way.

689
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:35,960
I guess I just, he had no reason
to think that the two hench men

690
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:37,760
would get knocked off by and
watch it.

691
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,840
Like, why would he?
Why would that even be something

692
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:42,920
that he would consider as a
possibility?

693
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:45,280
They could have taken the time
coming back.

694
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,560
He didn't say go kill him and
come back.

695
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:49,960
He didn't say go take care of
the kid.

696
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:53,760
He didn't tell him to come back.
It's just for me with with evil

697
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:58,560
people and granted, I don't mind
the lapse of judgement because

698
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,920
this means that eventually our
heroes will prevail.

699
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:05,320
So I'm not mad about that.
But if I'm looking at it from

700
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,480
their point of view, stop
talking so God damn much and

701
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,600
just handle your business.
If you going to kill Kate

702
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:12,960
Bishop, you ain't got to tell
her all this information.

703
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:17,240
Just kill her and be done with
it and and go on to the day that

704
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:21,640
I know that that's just and I'm
sorry it's a thing.

705
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:26,040
It the incredible spoiled me
when syndrome it says no

706
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:30,880
monologuing and and it's like
ever since then when a villain

707
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:35,200
starts monologuing in in a movie
or ATV show, that's literally

708
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,480
what comes to my mind.
Oh, you're monologuing.

709
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:40,640
I'm.
On logging and no capes things,

710
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:42,640
things people should learn from
the incredibles.

711
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,720
I'm just saying he didn't he
didn't, but he like like Anthony

712
00:39:45,720 --> 00:39:49,640
said he he he had he had
everything in control.

713
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:51,760
He's like, he probably didn't
give a fuck.

714
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,400
He was like like, fuck this
ain't nobody gonna spoil this

715
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:56,720
for me like screwed all that I
got.

716
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,600
I got a train full of Chinese
workers under my control.

717
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,840
I have Kate Bishop right here
who can't do shit any do shit

718
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:04,680
about anything I'm getting ready
to do right now.

719
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:08,280
It's like not a damn thing can
do it and.

720
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:12,360
And of course, it's like the he
he he didn't expect like little,

721
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:16,440
he didn't expect Kwaijun to be
to be there.

722
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:18,000
He didn't expect him to be
saved.

723
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,960
But I mean, though, that's like
something that he had no idea

724
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:26,360
that's an even process for him.
It's like, like, why?

725
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:28,720
Like, like apparently,
apparently because they, they

726
00:40:28,720 --> 00:40:30,320
didn't come.
He was like, if something would

727
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,400
have happened, they would have
come back and said the kid

728
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,240
escaped or they would have been
looking for the kid or been like

729
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:36,880
said, or they would have come
back and said it.

730
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:38,760
But since they didn't come back,
he was like, oh, they must have

731
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:40,440
done it.
And maybe they're having an

732
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,080
existential crisis about killing
a kid.

733
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,440
You know, maybe, maybe they're
back there crying and crying

734
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,280
into a beer.
Like, I can't believe I killed

735
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,120
the child.
He's like, it's OK, it's OK,

736
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:51,400
we'll get over it.
But it's like, maybe that's what

737
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:52,600
happened.
He didn't, he didn't know.

738
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:54,320
He didn't care because they
didn't come back and say

739
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,360
something that happened.
Some went wrong because he

740
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,760
didn't expect him to.
So there we go.

741
00:40:59,240 --> 00:41:03,080
I guess, I guess.
But OK, so let's talk.

742
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:07,560
Let's talk about this, this task
of the two hench men trying to

743
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:11,800
kill the little boy and the
Watcher stepping in.

744
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:15,120
Because I would say this when
the Watcher was giving his

745
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:19,520
dialogue and he was talking
about how heroes come in all

746
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:21,560
sizes, but sometimes, what did
he say?

747
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,640
Sometimes things don't go as
planned or whatever and you get

748
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,200
to the point where it looks like
the henchman is about to kill

749
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:30,960
this kid.
My first thought was I said a

750
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,720
while too, if you don't step
your ass in and help this little

751
00:41:33,720 --> 00:41:37,240
boy when you've been sticking
your nose in all this other

752
00:41:37,240 --> 00:41:39,440
business, I would be really
pissed.

753
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,480
And then of course, he actually
does step in.

754
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:47,560
He thumps the two hench men off
the train so that the little boy

755
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:49,120
can continue to do what he's
doing.

756
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:53,760
And I was just sitting there
like, OK, he's going to get in

757
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:58,160
trouble for that because the
watchers of the Watcher have

758
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:01,160
already been looking at him.
And sure enough, at the end of

759
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:04,480
this episode, he's giving his
little his little summary

760
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:08,720
speech.
And what did he what did he say?

761
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:13,320
He said another, I think
something about another story,

762
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,200
another wind or something like
that.

763
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:20,160
And and the eminence comes in
and he was like, yeah, because

764
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:23,520
of your interference.
And we have decided that this

765
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,400
cannot go on.
And they kind of push him

766
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:33,640
through his plane of existence
into wherever they're pushing

767
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:35,680
him to.
And I was like, oh.

768
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:40,400
OK, all I can see is Bill Duke
sitting at the table seeing you

769
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,000
know you don't fucked.
Up right.

770
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:49,160
I mean, it's like I I get it.
I mean, his heart's in a good

771
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:52,120
place, but it's like this has
been leading up to him getting

772
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:54,800
in trouble all three seasons
have been leading up to him to

773
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,880
this shit happening.
It's like he he he interfered

774
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,560
with Doctor Strange, he and
pretty much gave Peggy Carter

775
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,240
unlimited access to whatever he
whatever he was doing.

776
00:43:03,240 --> 00:43:05,560
And it's like the watch that's
like the other watchers are

777
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:06,960
probably like, what the fuck are
you doing, dog?

778
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,000
That's fucking human.
Like that's immortal.

779
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:10,840
Why are you showing mortals
around our shit?

780
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,720
It's like, yeah, it's basically
like, it's, it's like, it's like

781
00:43:13,720 --> 00:43:21,120
somebody I equated to like
someone a periphery, periphery

782
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:25,240
member of a rap group bringing
the girl around to the studio

783
00:43:25,240 --> 00:43:26,560
and they're like, who the fuck
is this?

784
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:28,720
He's like, no, no, no, she's
cool, she's cool.

785
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,320
And they're like, why are you
showing her all that shit?

786
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:36,720
And it's like, I just, I just, I
knew from last season, I was

787
00:43:36,720 --> 00:43:39,160
like, he should have been for
all that he was doing, Kate,

788
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,720
Kate Bishop back then, he should
have, he should have been.

789
00:43:42,240 --> 00:43:43,840
In.
Trouble for that, Yeah.

790
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:47,320
For Pig, for Kate, Captain
Carter, for Peggy, all that

791
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:48,440
shit.
He should have been in trouble,

792
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:51,040
like from that.
Like, like they've been having

793
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,080
full blown conversations about
what the fuck is happening.

794
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:57,400
I'm like, like, yeah, that you
should have happened then for

795
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:00,280
me.
Well, he's, he's.

796
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,840
I don't even know what to say.
You'd have one job, dude.

797
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,200
He had one job.
One job.

798
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,320
Right, which was to not
interfere.

799
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:14,280
The one the one rule you had.
Watch and don't be seen.

800
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,800
Watch and don't interfere.
Because I would say this too,

801
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:23,360
the way that they did the angles
when the little boy was on the

802
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:28,360
train and the guy was about to
kill him, he looked over to the

803
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:32,480
side like he saw Oatu.
And the way that they had it,

804
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:37,920
they they had Oatu in the frame
over the guy's shoulder.

805
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:41,600
I was like, so does this little
boy see this cosmic being right

806
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:45,240
now, right before Oatu kind of
thumped them off?

807
00:44:46,240 --> 00:44:47,640
Because I feel like he did if he
did.

808
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:52,400
He would have freaked out.
Or he just would have been.

809
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,400
He would just had a blank look
like who the fuck the fuck.

810
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:58,520
Yeah, and then he turns back and
looks and and doesn't see him

811
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:00,720
again.
He's probably like, oh, maybe I

812
00:45:00,720 --> 00:45:03,240
just imagine that.
I mean he was like seconds away

813
00:45:03,240 --> 00:45:06,080
from getting killed so ain't no
telling what is mine would have.

814
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:10,200
I don't think he saw him.
I think he just, he, he was

815
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:14,960
like, oh, I'm about to die.
And then he's like, oh, I didn't

816
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,360
die.
That was strange.

817
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:20,040
That's what it looked like.
I don't.

818
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,640
I don't think he saw or want to.
OK.

819
00:45:23,240 --> 00:45:25,560
Or the Watcher, because I don't
even know if we know his name

820
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,000
yet.
Yeah, they revealed his name

821
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:29,680
the.
Last episode.

822
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:33,520
I want to say it was in the the
end of the first season, he

823
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:36,360
told, I think he told Peggy.
Yeah, yeah.

824
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:41,560
Yeah.
So yeah, that's where a lot.

825
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:45,440
Who is in trouble now?
That's an understatement.

826
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:49,360
Right, so I.
About to get done up.

827
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:54,120
So The thing is, we only have
two, two episodes left in this

828
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,080
season.
Well, not even just the season,

829
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:58,520
we have two episodes left in
this series.

830
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:03,200
So I'm thinking both of those
episodes, just going by what the

831
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:06,280
titles have been, I'm thinking
both of those episodes are going

832
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:11,480
to be dealing with him and his.
Yeah.

833
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:13,840
Yeah, because because you saw,
you saw when they when they

834
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:17,320
bumped it, when they hit his
head into his, his domain, like

835
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:18,920
those 3 shards went through
space.

836
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:20,680
So they could, they have to land
somewhere.

837
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:23,480
So I guess they're probably,
they're probably going to land

838
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:26,320
somewhere where, where there are
people that can help him.

839
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:29,440
I'm assuming because there's no
other reason for them to, to

840
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:31,840
focus on those 3 shards floating
through space.

841
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:33,760
So they have to figure in some
way.

842
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:37,520
So that means Peggy Carter I I
feel like she has to come back

843
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:39,280
at some point because we have
seen her.

844
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:42,040
I don't think we've seen her in
this season so far, but she's

845
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:46,480
the only person who really knows
that he exists aside from Black

846
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:51,200
Widow so.
Strange Supreme.

847
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:52,960
Oh, and Strange Supreme.
Yeah.

848
00:46:53,720 --> 00:46:56,800
However he exists.
I mean, because he he basically

849
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,560
destroyed himself in the last
last season's finale.

850
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:03,240
Yes, I don't think we'll see
him, but I I would expect to see

851
00:47:03,240 --> 00:47:08,760
at least Peggy, especially since
she's been a prominent character

852
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:12,640
in the previous two seasons.
Maybe they were saving her for

853
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:14,880
something big, like saving the
Watcher.

854
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:18,600
Yeah, I mean she, she basically
started this whole thing, so she

855
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:21,800
has to be be it be factored into
the ending of it too, so.

856
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:27,120
Yeah, it's gonna be interesting
to see like what kind of power

857
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:32,720
they have over him.
And, and just like, how do you

858
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:35,480
how do you punish something like
that?

859
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:37,080
How do you punish a being like
that?

860
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:40,880
I mean I I get you can probably
just blast them out of

861
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:42,920
existence, but that.
Take them out.

862
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,480
I I don't know if I would say
that seems too easy.

863
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:50,760
Well, no, I mean, you know,
they, they have, they have to,

864
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:54,400
they have to have a trial where
where they like, they're like

865
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:59,240
you did this, you did that and
you, you, you violated, violated

866
00:47:59,240 --> 00:48:02,040
the rules of the watchers.
You were supposed to watch and

867
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:05,400
not interfere, yet you have
interfered constantly.

868
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:07,240
So it's.
Like they have to go ahead and

869
00:48:07,240 --> 00:48:09,040
do all that shit and get it out
of the way.

870
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:12,080
Well, they, they, they're
probably more powerful than him

871
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:15,280
because they actually have
titles, right?

872
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:20,000
And they he was granted his
authority so that the authority

873
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:23,360
can be taken away.
Yeah, I mean, it's like we we

874
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:26,880
saw that that Watsu is powerful
but not overly powerful because

875
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:30,800
Ultron was, Ultron was bashing
him around pretty good, like

876
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:32,840
Infinity Ultron was bashing him
around pretty good.

877
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:37,160
So he is powerful, but he's not
really he's not all powerful.

878
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:40,560
Like someone who can be like,
you know, handled like that.

879
00:48:41,240 --> 00:48:44,640
Yo, before we go shout out like
fucking Kate Bishop, like being

880
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:47,560
a being the fucking gunslinger
to end all gunslingers like

881
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:50,240
that, that opening scene where
she's just like pop pop, pop,

882
00:48:50,240 --> 00:48:51,840
pop pop.
Then like catching other

883
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:55,200
people's guns out of the air and
shooting them too.

884
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:58,960
I was like, you know how like
cuz all guns don't shoot alike.

885
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:00,960
So she had to she literally got
that.

886
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:03,520
It was still capping
motherfuckers like around just

887
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:07,040
like grabbing that and like
shooting people behind the back.

888
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:10,160
And I was just like, like, the
whole time I was just like

889
00:49:10,240 --> 00:49:10,880
hurting.
Like.

890
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:13,480
They really did a good job
showcasing her gun skills.

891
00:49:13,720 --> 00:49:15,480
I liked her.
I appreciated that.

892
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:18,480
Yeah.
I appreciated it so because, you

893
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:22,680
know, I was kind of, I was kind
of so so with her in the Hawkeye

894
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:25,240
series up toward up until
towards the end.

895
00:49:25,240 --> 00:49:27,040
And I was like, OK, yeah, it's
not that bad.

896
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,160
But this?
I always like it, but I still

897
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:31,400
get used to it.
I also get used to it because

898
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:33,080
because she's going to be
leading the Young Avengers.

899
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:34,800
So just go ahead and get used to
seeing.

900
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:36,800
Yeah, I mean, I'm not worried
about it now because like I

901
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:42,360
said, she grew on me towards the
end of Hawkeye, so it it's fine.

902
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,960
But yeah, I I loved her
gunslinging.

903
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:49,800
I love the partnership between
her and Shawn.

904
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,680
She because it's like when you
think about those two

905
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:57,840
characters, they're kind of so
far on opposite spectrums, but

906
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:01,240
to put them together and to see
him using his martial arts, her

907
00:50:01,240 --> 00:50:05,000
using her gunslinging and it
just it worked.

908
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:11,200
I loved it.
So yeah, also I can get used to

909
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:15,880
a cowboy drawing.
Shang Shi.

910
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:21,080
I like, I don't know, something
about the the cowboy and the and

911
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:28,000
the the draw was yes, I I liked
it and I actually posted on

912
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:31,760
Twitter and I was like, I could
get used to a Southern speaking

913
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:35,800
cowboy, Shang Shi.
And similarly you liked it.

914
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:41,720
So we're besties now.
We're.

915
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:44,840
Down.
I just wanted to say shout out

916
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:48,440
to AWATU in the beginning of
this episode.

917
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:52,280
Like, you know, in the far
fringes of the multiverse things

918
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:57,280
can get a little weird.
You know, less with if and more

919
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:00,080
what the hell.
Yeah, that was.

920
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:03,280
Funny, you know, our only
problem was programmed to sing

921
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:06,880
show tunes.
I mean, literally, literally,

922
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:10,400
that's what you think of when
you think about the infinite

923
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:13,520
possibilities.
Just there's some universes

924
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:18,040
where shit is just stupid and we
kind of get a a piece of that in

925
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:24,080
the Multiverse of Madness when
they're falling through spoiler

926
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:27,560
falling through the different
multiverses and they're all

927
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:31,800
different in the strange, you
know, and weird.

928
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:34,360
So it's kind of cool.
It was kind of cool.

929
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:38,960
That was funny, yeah, but I was
trying to figure out who,

930
00:51:39,240 --> 00:51:42,160
because when he was talking
about the infinite possibilities

931
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:46,120
and the different, the different
universes, they were showing

932
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:49,040
sets of characters.
There was like 2 sets of

933
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:53,920
characters that they showed
before they showed Ultron as the

934
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:58,280
theater performer and I couldn't
figure out who those characters

935
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:01,520
were supposed to be.
There's a part one I'm not sure.

936
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:03,000
Yes, that's the one.
I was looking.

937
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:04,560
I was like, who are those
people?

938
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:08,640
But I guess it doesn't matter
unless those particular

939
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:10,440
characters.
'Cause they showed, they showed

940
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:13,640
throg and and Gator.
Logan yes, that's what it was,

941
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:17,640
Throg.
And it looks like Alligator

942
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:21,880
Loki.
It kind of looks like looks like

943
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,600
Black Widow and somebody.
OK.

944
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:29,600
But I was thinking I was like,
maybe they'll put maybe they'll

945
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:32,720
put those in stories too,
because I was like, you know,

946
00:52:32,720 --> 00:52:35,640
ever since Loki, we've been
talking about Throg and

947
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:39,960
Alligator Loki and, you know,
just wanting to see something

948
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:43,240
with those characters more than
just them kind of appearing.

949
00:52:43,240 --> 00:52:45,480
But again, we only have two
episodes left.

950
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:50,280
And if we're dealing with a
Wachus transgressions, I

951
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:53,560
seriously doubt they're not
going to bring any new

952
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:56,080
characters in for that.
Like it wouldn't make sense to

953
00:52:56,080 --> 00:53:00,920
do that at that point.
So I just I I did think that was

954
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:04,720
a a nice little twist.
The the Ultron thing threw me

955
00:53:04,720 --> 00:53:07,720
though, because I had to pause
my TV and laugh because I was

956
00:53:07,720 --> 00:53:10,880
like, that is so fucked up, but
OK.

957
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:12,720
Yeah, that is a true what if
moment.

958
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:17,440
What if I don't know what if
Ultron was the Phantom of the

959
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:18,880
Opera?
That just.

960
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:24,920
That's hilarious.
Oh goodness.

961
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,520
But yes, I enjoyed this episode
thoroughly.

962
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:32,360
I I almost want to say this is
probably maybe if not the top

963
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:36,160
episode for this season is
probably my top 2 because it was

964
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:37,880
fun because I already love
Shawn.

965
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:40,480
She is a character like I said,
Kate Bishop.

966
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:42,160
She was one of those that had to
grow on me.

967
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:45,560
But I do appreciate her as a
character and the fact that they

968
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:50,600
made her, you know, this bad ass
gunslinger in this one.

969
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:55,680
I love it because I love seeing
TV shows and movies where people

970
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:58,440
are gunslingers and they do all
these fancy things with the

971
00:53:58,440 --> 00:53:59,280
guns.
I love it.

972
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:01,240
So I like the fact that we got
that with her.

973
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:05,000
Yeah.
This was, this was one of those

974
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:08,400
really good one off.
Like it didn't have to tie into

975
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:13,560
the bigger what if universe,
except for Oahu kind of sticking

976
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:16,440
his nose in.
But other than that, it was

977
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:19,560
truly like what Anthony said at
the beginning, kind of like one

978
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:23,120
of these anthology type
episodes, and I really enjoyed

979
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:24,760
it.
I thought it was a lot of fun.

980
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:29,840
Again, watching John Walker get
punched will never get old.

981
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:36,880
And yeah, I enjoyed it real.
Real quick, why June fam?

982
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:40,800
Why June Fan was actually an
Iron Fist in 1878?

983
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:43,400
Like there's a there's a Iron
Fist series about him.

984
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:47,200
So that that's why when they
when they showed him doing the

985
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:49,960
different martial arts styles, I
was like, oh, they're they're

986
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:53,840
kind of heading to that.
So I'm like, OK, so so yeah, he

987
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:57,560
he actually, he exists, but he
it was a short run because he

988
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:02,400
got killed.
But yeah, it's but yeah, there's

989
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:06,360
a he actually, that pleasure fan
fan actually existed as an Iron

990
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:08,680
Fist in the comic universe.
OK, true.

991
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:14,120
Awesome.
All right, well, two episodes

992
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:16,720
left until we have the series
finale.

993
00:55:16,720 --> 00:55:20,560
Do you guys have any last
thoughts about this episode?

994
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:27,400
I, I I really enjoyed this
episode is definitely up there

995
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:32,120
as far as one of the best ones.
And I do like the the anthology.

996
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:37,160
I like that it's a standalone,
Yeah, that doesn't have anything

997
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:39,480
to do with anything else this
season.

998
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:42,360
So like I said, a change of
perspective makes it a little

999
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:46,000
bit more enjoyable.
Yeah, yeah, I like this episode.

1000
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:50,560
I thought that shout and shout
to them like, I mean, having

1001
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:54,240
just mentioning Stark and not
showing him as far as like just

1002
00:55:54,240 --> 00:55:58,080
his tech, having his tech and I
throw this the same.

1003
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:01,720
This is the second episode that
they used used something going

1004
00:56:01,720 --> 00:56:05,880
over going over a ravine.
So they didn't they're obviously

1005
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:07,720
not trying to kill anybody off
this season.

1006
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:17,080
I still I'm glad that you Sonny
Birch, but I just was what's he

1007
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:20,720
gonna say?
I like his character is just

1008
00:56:20,720 --> 00:56:23,840
funny to me because Walt Goggins
plays these kind of characters

1009
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:28,600
all the time and it's just like
to see him just to see him

1010
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:31,720
actually kind of in like kind of
in control and almost winning

1011
00:56:31,720 --> 00:56:35,840
was kind of weird.
But and it it didn't really take

1012
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:38,640
or take away from it.
And I love the final scene after

1013
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:42,280
she after she was broken from
his hold, like just just going

1014
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:44,400
around shooting everybody just
like in a circle.

1015
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:48,240
I mean, again, that was that was
I was really impressed by the

1016
00:56:48,240 --> 00:56:52,840
way they did that and I'm glad
that they didn't make them make

1017
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:55,080
make Shang Chi and Kate love
interest.

1018
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:58,080
Just this made them partners.
I think that I think that

1019
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:01,160
actually made it better for me
just be just to show them like

1020
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:04,400
just have a mutual friendship
and like a mutual mission to

1021
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:06,120
right wrongs.
Yeah.

1022
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:07,920
As opposed to that and shout,
shout to.

1023
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:13,880
I mean, when Kate when Kate shot
Xylene, I was I was just like I

1024
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:15,880
did.
I wasn't expecting her to like,

1025
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:19,760
like, bust her up, like really
shoot her, shoot her.

1026
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:22,200
I was just like, I thought, I
thought she OK, you gonna shoot

1027
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:25,680
her in the shoulder to stop him?
But no, she she, she emptied.

1028
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:28,800
She emptied the barrel in her.
Well, I mean, Charlene was about

1029
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:32,240
to kill her brother, and at that
point, Kate didn't know that

1030
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:33,120
Charlene was.
Yeah.

1031
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:35,800
So.
Yeah, that was messed up.

1032
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:38,440
I mean, I felt bad for cuz at
least she felt bad for it.

1033
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:43,640
Like she she was like and Chung
Chung, she understood that he's

1034
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:47,520
like, no, the hood did.
And I'm like, like, if you

1035
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:50,600
understood that the hood was the
hood was the thing that was

1036
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:53,240
wrong with it with her, why
didn't you grab?

1037
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:55,920
It was like the hood all of a
sudden just floats up and is

1038
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:58,640
like like doctor strangers hood
just going around trying to find

1039
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:00,840
someone else.
I don't think he knew either

1040
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:04,400
until she had been shot because
at that point when Kate shot

1041
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:09,200
her, the hood came off and when
he had her in his arms and she

1042
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:11,680
turned around, her voice was
different.

1043
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:13,720
Her, you know, she was like
brother.

1044
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:17,520
But I think that's when he real
realize what it was.

1045
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:19,160
I don't think he knew that
before.

1046
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:24,320
Yeah, so I mean, then yeah,
shout, shout, shout to the hood,

1047
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:26,880
going off, going off on a
different adventure, trying,

1048
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:28,520
trying to trying to fuck shit
up.

1049
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:31,800
Like, cool, whatever.
Yeah, OK.

1050
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:34,160
Be able to go.
It was a good episode.

1051
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:38,720
All right.
Well, I think that's the first

1052
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:42,800
time this this season that we
have all agreed that we enjoy

1053
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:46,800
the episode or that we had the
same opinion about one of these

1054
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:49,480
episodes.
Yeah, I wish Anthony would have,

1055
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:50,760
would have.
I wish Anthony would have had

1056
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:53,320
his epiphany before the Howard
the Duck episode that.

1057
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:57,680
I wouldn't quite call it an
epiphany, it's just a change of

1058
00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:00,680
perspective.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever.

1059
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:06,840
Yay, we all agreed on an episode
and I think that's a positive

1060
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:10,320
enough note to say that is it
for our show.

1061
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:14,200
You can find us online at
www.phantomhybrid.com.

1062
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:17,040
We are on social media on all
the social media at Phantom

1063
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:18,960
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You can chat with us on our

1064
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:20,880
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1065
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:23,720
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1066
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:26,360
podcast streaming platforms.
Thanks for listening.

1067
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:27,800
We hope you join the
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1068
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:54,880
Music.