Marvel's What If...? S3E7 & E8 (SERIES FINALE) - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #338

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What's up hybrids?
Welcome back to another episode

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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast.
This is Hanukkah and I am here

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with Anthony and Mike, and we
are discussing the last two

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episodes of the What If series.
Yeah, we decided we were going

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to go ahead and discuss both
episodes together since they're

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both dealing with the trial and
the outcome of the trial of the

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watcher who has found himself in
a little bit of trouble because

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of his interference and to all
of the multiverse stuff.

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So yeah, let's get started.
I'm going to start with Mike

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first, 'cause are you glad that
we got to see Birdie the Duck as

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an adult?
I am and shout to Natasha Lyonne

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for giving her the absolute spot
on perfect voice for it.

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Like I love I I loved her in
this.

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It was awesome.
But the thing I love most and

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the reason I've waited for this
moment is because we got Storm

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in this bitch.
We finally have an X-Men.

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So a member of the X-Men in a
what if episode.

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And this is I'm excited for
this.

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X-Men in the MCU confirmed.
Well, technically.

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It was confirmed with Deadpool
and Wolverine, but you.

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Know, I mean technically it was
confirmed with the Marvels when

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they had when they had Beast in
there.

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And it was confirmed with the
Adamantium Celestial island,

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but.
We'll talk.

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About that later.
Confirmed when Quicksilver was

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in one division and they
switched them to Adam.

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Wait.
A minute so So now we're saying

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all of this, I'm realizing just
how much they're pulling the

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X-Men into the MCU.
They just been kind of but I'm

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in little hints there, but.
Regard but yes, but storm like

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her power level, her wielding
mule near like Oh my God that

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was beautiful and I like it also
because most of my favorite what

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if episodes have something to do
with the X-Men.

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Like, well, my favorites is what
if Charles Xavier got the Gemma

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Sutorak instead of his brother
and he became Juggernaut, which

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is a it's a really good, really
good comic.

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And they they've done a lot of
actually have a couple in my in

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my what if collection.
I have a couple of of the X-Men,

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X-Men and The Avengers did
something.

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I can't remember but that, but
they're a big part of what if,

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and I'm surprised that it I'm a
little surprised that it took

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them this long to actually
include them.

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But yes, I love both of these
episodes.

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Shout out to Marvel for giving
us a Dragon Ball Z fight scene

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in the final episode where they
were just like fighting all over

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the fucking skyline and that
shit was beautiful.

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And shout out to watch who just
being a menace, like turning all

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four of them into fucking
watchers.

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They're making the like giving
giving them a shortcut oath.

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I'm like.
Listen.

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Listen, This is why you in
trouble now.

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This is why you do it all
because you just all Willy nilly

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about your watcher.
This just throwing it here and

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there.
I mean fuck.

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But having said that, they were
fucking phenomenal.

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Like holy shit, Peggy Carter was
a fucking beast as as a fucking

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watcher and shelter.
They did bring her back for

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these two episodes because I
think we had just mentioned it

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like maybe a couple of episodes
ago talking about this series

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that we had not seen Peggy
Carter at all in this third

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season, which was kind of weird
considering at the end of last

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season a while to like literally
showed her the tree and told her

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the truth about the multiverse.
So it was kind of strange that

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she hadn't popped up yet.
So I'm glad that she showed up

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in this one.
And not only you have heard you

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have birdie the duck, you have
storm, you have cohort.

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So it's like we we in this
series with four very strong

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women characters who literally
say the fucking multiverse.

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Yeah, this.
Literally this.

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Literally the Watchers version
of Charlie's Angels.

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And I am here for every last
piece of that.

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Literally just awesome.
That's an interesting point,

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Anthony.
What did you think about these

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final 2 episodes?
I didn't hate them.

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I'll, I'll start.
With that, that's the start.

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I didn't hate them.
OK, I'm going to, I'm going to

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reference back to what I said
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I have to kind of step back and
just say, you know what it is,

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what it is, and just kind of
enjoy it.

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But it is very, very difficult
because now I'm looking at it

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like objectively from a fresh
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These people are so freaking
overpowered.

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Like they are so overpowered.
And then they go up against the

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Watchers and he makes them even
more overpowered.

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And then in the end, you, you in
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have an even more overpowered
individual, well, universe to

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stop them.
And I don't know, I, I feel like

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it was getting kind of out of
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Like the there's a thing in
video games called power creep

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and it even happens in comic
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Power creep is real.
And I I understand that it does

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happen in comic books.
Like can you?

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Explain power creep, Sir.
Power creep is when when you

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have individuals who are
powerful and then they have to

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fight powerful people and in
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they have to become even more
powerful.

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For example, Jean Grey with the
Phoenix Force, so she gets more

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powerful.
She's like reality, she's like

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the right now.
She is the creation of life

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itself.
And then the villain comes in

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who absorbs her power so she has
to become even more powerful,

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which how can she be defeated if
she is so powerful?

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And here we have imagine Storm
who controls who's a mega level

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mutant who control weather
anywhere anywhere.

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She has me on here, which means
her the God of Thunder

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everywhere.
And now she's a watcher there.

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I don't know she's and then we
were already told that Bertie is

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a cosmic being who is ultimately
OP.

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And then you have cohortie who
does whatever she can, like

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super speed.
I got you flying, I got you

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portals.
I got you telekinesis.

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I got you.
What can she not do?

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And I'm, I'm looking at this
group, these these guardians of

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the multiverse and I'm like,
wow, how are they going to

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defeat the watchers?
The answer is obvious, become

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watchers.
And, and it was ridiculous.

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I will give them credit for the
special effects.

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Like it made me think of the
first episode, like how good the

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animation was.
It was really, really good.

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Really fantastic voice work,
really fantastic.

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Not feeling the story too much.
I, I watched it again this

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afternoon and I found myself
laughing.

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This is funny.
I'm like, this is, this is

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ridiculous.
It really is.

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But you know, it is cool.
I'll see what they're doing.

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You know, I think they're
getting us ready for because

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we're going to see something
like this when we get to super

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wars probably.
And you know, hopefully they

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don't go to Supreme Strangers
universe to have the Street of

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Wars.
They'll just shed everybody's

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powers off.
They call it the day.

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I did like the Eminences opening
when if you listen to it, it's

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really, really good.
It's really good.

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The one thing he said is, I
can't remember what he said, but

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he basically was like, no, it's
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He described it and he said, but
that's not what it is.

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This is what people think it is,
but that's not what it is.

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What it is, is a prism through
which there's an infinite number

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of universe.
Possibilities.

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Yeah, possibilities.
Yeah.

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And he explains, he says, where
every little decision can cause

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a change.
And that's the nature of what

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if.
I just don't feel like we got

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it.
So I kind of feel bad they they

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went back to that and put that
in his mother log when that's

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really not what we got this
season.

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But I mean, overall it, it was
OK.

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I mean, I can see how people,
some people would enjoy it and

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think it's amazing and you know,
be excited about it, but it was

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just alright to me.
OK.

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I like the last episode, not the
last episode, but I like the

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previous episode with Sean Sheen
better.

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OK, Yeah.
Than both of them.

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Yes, than both of them.
OK, yes.

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So when the Infinity Ultron kind
of let me down, I was like,

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dude, really did all that power.
But you know.

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Yeah, but it's like.
It shows you how powerful the

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watches are.
This guy wiped out the entire

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universe and.
But look but you gotta think

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about like this too.
When he was fighting the

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Watcher, the Watcher was given
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getting for a second until until
Ultron caught him.

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Like he was literally he was
literally giving him those

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hands.
So yeah.

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It was like, oh, surprise,
surprise.

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He flashed a bright light in my
face.

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OK, now I'm used to it.
Right.

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And then but it's like, because
Awatu got his power from

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Eminence, so it's like Eminence
has been a watcher for way

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longer than Watu has.
So you know, his power level is

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probably ridiculous.
All three of them.

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Exactly.
Yeah.

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And Ultron can save reality, but
you know.

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Whatever.
Yeah, but it's like they

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basically are.
They basically are reality.

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Yeah, yeah.
I think for me, I kind of fall

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in between both of your
opinions.

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I enjoyed the episodes.
I won't say they were my

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favorite.
There were certain elements of

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it that I really liked.
I really liked the friendship

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aspect between the women in the
episode, just kind of seeing the

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closeness and seeing how well
they work together in order to

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figure out the problem, in order
to, you know, execute a plan and

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do all this.
I like that.

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I think the weird thing for me
was at the beginning of the

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episode when the you know,
they're they're trying to help.

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Oh my God, why did her, why did
my name, why did that?

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Why did I just blank they?
They went to go help, not

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Gamora.
Yeah, Nebula.

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Novus Prime.
Nebula Which prime?

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Which was really weird.
I'm glad they I'm glad they

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threw back to that because I
think that that episode is one

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of my favorite episodes of all
the what ifs.

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I think that's probably one of
my one of my all time favorites.

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Yeah, but when they when the
shards come through and Peggy

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sees the shards that she
realized it's from the Watcher

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from the 5th dimension or from
the the Wood observational

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plane.
Observational plane.

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When she realizes it's from the
observational plane and she

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realizes it's for the watcher,
she is actually not the one that

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voices it.
It's cohorted.

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It says that means the watcher.
And it was strange to me because

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I think we talked about this a
few episodes ago where only a

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few people knew about Owatu's
existence and that being Peggy

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Carter, that being Natasha
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And I really think that's it.
Infinity Ultron knew he existed.

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Infinity Ultron.
Infinity Ultron, but for cohort

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and.
Storm.

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And birdie, birdie the duck to
all kind of know who he is.

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And it seemed like they had not
just a surface level knowledge

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of him, they kind of knew, I
guess, everything that Peggy

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knew about him.
So it was just kind of weird.

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Yes, Anthony, you have your
hand.

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Up in in my head cannon, I
assumed I may be right or wrong.

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I assumed that Peggy put this
team together with his help.

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So you know, 'cause I mean, I
lovingly call them the Guardians

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of the Multiverse after the
previous guardians of the

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Multiverse.
But I think he and her, which

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is, you know, according to the
eminence, she's the wicked, you

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know, she had, she used his
knowledge to find the people

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that can help her do what they
need to do.

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OK.
And I think that's how they knew

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about him.
I think they may have talked

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before they met him.
Well, you know, or Peggy told

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them about him, but she was, she
put this team together.

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Yeah, yeah.
And I realized that there's also

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not necessarily time jump, but
it's been a while because the

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last time we saw Bertie, she was
just born and now she's a she's

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a full grown adult.
So I realized some time has

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taken place and some things may
have happened in between there,

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but it was just strange for me
for them to be speaking about

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the watcher and the
observational plan and all of

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that.
So familiar, you know, they

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were, they were.
So it was just, it was strange

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to me.
Yeah, and Peggy probably told

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him about the stuff that he's
done.

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She probably told him about
Infinity Ultron because they're

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like, oh really?
You want to get that guy, but

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he's dead?
Well, it's multiverse.

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Yeah.
There's a version of him out

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there somewhere.
Yeah.

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Yeah, which is which is really
intimidating to think about.

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Like that's a powerful
motherfucker.

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They're like more versions of
this motherfucker out there that

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they need to destroy.
Also, I kind I agree with you

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because like when they first
reached Xandar, Peggy was in the

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in the cane capsule and she said
set course for Xandar 625.

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I have eyes on the Hydra
champion.

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So there are they're obviously
doing something where they're

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either they're course correcting
things that are going wrong or

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like, like I said, they're
they're watches angels.

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They've been like he's basically
sending them on missions to to

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fix things in the multiverse
that aren't supposed to be

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happening, mostly because
they're his.

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Fault being a being a menace
because he's like.

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But but all these things are his
fault because he's the one

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that's doing all this extra shit
and not just watching like he's

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the one that's interfering.
So all his interference is

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probably are doing having a
butterfly effect on the whole

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multiverse.
Like when you say that kid from

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getting thrown off the train in
the previous episode, he

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probably created a butterfly
effect that probably created

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this hydra on Xandar.
It's like they're all kinds of

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things that he these fucking
balances up and that's why all

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three of them are like real this
motherfucking.

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And I'm tired of this because.
Yeah, because I'm sort of, I

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sort of agree with the Eminence,
because he probably has.

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He's seen every permeation of
every possibility, period.

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If it wasn't for a while too, we
wouldn't have.

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Doctor Strange wouldn't have his
own universe, right If it wasn't

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for a while too.
A lot of the stuff that's

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happening wouldn't be happening
if he kept his mouth shut.

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Infinity Ultron wouldn't have
done what he did, which created

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all this other crap that's
happening.

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So he sort of has a point.
I mean, but why too has a point

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too.
Like, at what point do you how,

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how much can you sit by and, and
not do anything and not start

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caring for people?
But you know, the Eminence has

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had eons to deal with that
question.

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And it seems like Oahu they
didn't because, you know, even

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when they did the flashback to
when Oahu was promoted to

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watcher, he said he asked the
question like, basically, what

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what are we supposed to do with
watching?

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And the Eminence is like, well,
I'll be surprised to find out

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what answer you found to that
question.

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Well, you found out what the
answer was to that question.

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You know, so he sort of he could
be blamed for setting these

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events in motion because he
should have seen how you even by

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his question.
Like anytime you have a person

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entering into a cult that starts
to question what the cult is

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doing, that can create problems
for the cult because then that

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person is starting to question
the dogma that we've created.

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Then that person might become a
problem.

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And the watch who became a
menace, he started messing with

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things and was probably going to
cause the collapse of the

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multiverse in the imminence.
They're sitting there.

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Well, it's not going to affect
us.

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It probably has happened before.
We don't know.

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He's probably seen a lot of this
stuff happened before and he's

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like, yeah, it's going to work
yourself out in the end.

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A watch is probably not the
first one of the watchers that

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he's had to rein in and get rid
of.

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Like he's probably he's probably
made of the watchers.

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Then they interfered and they're
like, Nope, get him.

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And they and that's why that's
why they had an opening for Y2

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because they just got rid of one
that was doing the exact same

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fucking thing that he's doing
now.

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So it's like, you know, he just
can't, he just can't get this

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column column Y2 can't get right
because he just can't do what

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he's supposed to fucking do.
Let's.

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Say.
That, but I kind of agree with

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the Y2.
Yeah, that's what I was going to

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say, because it's kind of like
if you're one of the things

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about the, I can't remember what
the the collective group is

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called the three watchers that
are over everything.

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One of the things about them is
they're watching the watchers

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and the watchers are the ones
who have their own sections of

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the universe of the multiverse
to watch.

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So it's kind of like you
wouldn't expect those 3 to be

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changed by anything because they
are not really watching anything

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or paying attention to anything
closely enough to be affected on

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the level that a Watu is.
A Watu is actually watching

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these beings in this particular
part of the universe.

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He's seeing their struggles,
he's seeing their stories.

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He's, he's being affected by the
humanity of them, which I don't

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think the other three would ever
have the opportunity to do

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because they don't interact with
humans directly or indirectly.

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You know, it's kind of like 6°
of separation.

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So while I understand what the
Eminence is saying as far as

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what Owatu was expected to do or
how he was expected to behave, I

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think because Owatu was so close
to humanity and he was able to

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allow it to change and whether
whether he wanted it to or not.

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But that's one of the things I
think about people when it comes

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to like cosmic beings and
humanity and universe, because

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all of these cosmic beings, no
matter what type of show we

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watch, they always think they're
more superior to humanity,

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right?
Because we have the emotions and

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we're the ones who let those
emotions kind of affect the way

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we the way we think, the way we
act.

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We don't kind of keep ourselves
arm's length.

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And I think that's one of the
things that Owatu.

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Is trying to as like he says at
the end, this is something that

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I can teach you because it
doesn't have to be a bad thing.

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It's almost like when Infinity
Ultron was talking about it, he

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said, you know, I was created
to, you know, bring about peace

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and in order to bring about
peace, I eliminated all life.

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But what I have learned is that
this is not peace.

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It's just emptiness.
Like you can't have life without

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people, but you can't also can't
have peace without conflict.

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Like there has to be a balance,
yin and Yang, you know?

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There has to be that balance in
the universe.

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And I think that's one of the
things that Owatu was trying to

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tell the other three.
But the other three, they're so

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far removed from it that they
don't have the, the openness to,

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to actually sit there and listen
to what he's saying or to look

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at what he's doing, to say, hey,
he might actually be improving

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things.
You know, it may be catastrophes

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for them or maybe chaos for
them.

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But it's because you're so set
in this one focus, this one

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thing.
Oh, it has to go this way, this

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way, this way.
And you don't allow for those

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variables.
Maybe that's why things are

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fucking up, because y'all are so
inflexible.

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Maybe it has nothing to do with.
Him I had, I had two points I

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was going to make.
I can only remember 1.

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So you, you got the three.
It is this, this is one of my

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issues with the eminence and
it's sort of related to kind of

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piggybacking off of what
Hanukkah said.

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They are literally sitting in
their white tower removed from

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everything, and they have this
elitist attitude about

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everything.
Like completely we are above

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reproach.
We are above all of this.

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But that's not.
Topical excuse.

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Me.
That's not topical at all.

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Yeah, you, you, you are.
And, and nothing and nothing can

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touch you.
And everything that you're doing

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is so altruistic and so perfect.
Like, who appointed y'all to

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this position?
You appointed yourselves to this

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you and it's very similar to how
they're they're looked at in the

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comic books.
If you watch the comic books, a

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lot of people got problems with
the watchers because you are

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doing what you're doing, because
you decided that's what you want

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to do.
No one asked you to be a

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watcher.
No one appointed you to be the

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the scribe for the multiverse.
No one asked you to do that.

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You chose to do that.
So by you not participating, you

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not helping people, and you not
being a part of the process,

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you're making it worse for a lot
of people than they could be.

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But I understand.
I understand them completely.

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There's an infinite number of
multiverses.

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There's no possible way one
being can destroy them all,

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because for everyone that you
destroy, another one springs up

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because every decision, every
consequence creates another

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universe.
So it's not possible to get rid

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of all of them.
I understand that.

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What?
In that same token, it didn't

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hurt you to help some people
every once in a while, and

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that's what the Wachu was doing.
He had his little section of

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multiverses that he was
watching.

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And if he can make a difference
to help, how many times is he

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going to have to sit there in
his section universe and watch

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Ray Williams die like every
version of her die over and over

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and over again?
I give you this one a chance.

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Let me give you this one a
chance.

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And what you do, like you said,
you prune some of the bad ones

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and it causes life to flourish.
Right.

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So he saves her how many
multiverses that are created

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where she makes a difference and
changes people's lives for the

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better?
Yeah.

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That's the truth.
It's the butterfly I.

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Can't remember the point but.
Anything, anything you do in one

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universe is going to
inadvertently or advertently

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affect what's going to happen in
another universe.

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It's just how things are.
It's just how it works in these

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kind of scenarios, in these kind
of situations.

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It's like there's always
something minor that you change

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somewhere that's going to wreak
havoc somewhere else.

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It's like so and.
That's why watchers get their

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asses kicked in the comic books,
because people don't like what

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they do.
You sit there off to the side,

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and you watch all this pain and
suffering, and you could do

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something to help, and you
choose not to.

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Yeah, it's wrong.
Yeah.

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What's?
Wrong.

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I think Reed Richards tried to
wipe them out once.

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I mean, they did terrible they
are.

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OK, so Speaking of watches
getting the ass kicked, let's

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talk about this fight scene.
And this is one of one of the

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best anime fight scenes Disney
has ever put on.

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Like that shit looks straight up
like Dragon Ball Z.

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Like when when and The Eminence
were fighting, it's like their

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hands were moving so fucking
fast.

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Like, Oh my God.
I mean, it was, there was so

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many, there were so many aspects
to it because yes, I did get a

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Dragon Ball Z vibe to it when I
saw some of it.

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And then there was a point where
I can't remember which one it

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was Cohort was fighting one and
then another one appeared behind

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her and he was, he was enlarged.
And she was like, oh, that's

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what you're doing.
OK, bet.

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Let me match that.
And then she got big too.

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And it kind of reminded me of
the Agatha and Kingo fight from

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a few episodes ago where they
were both kind of these

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celestial beings that were like
bigger than everything they were

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fighting in space.
One that.

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Starts with a yeah.
Ash.

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Ash, Ash.
Ash.

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Yes, Ash.
So yeah, it was.

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There was a lot going on in
those fights, but I love the way

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that they did them because like
you said, Anthony, you know,

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when you start out, you have
these four people and they're

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already overpowered.
They're already very powerful.

452
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,920
And and the fact that you have
all four of them fighting

453
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,840
together on the same team, and
then you have Infinity Ultron,

454
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:27,440
which was already weird e-mail
watch.

455
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,440
It was like, wait, he's with
you.

456
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:35,600
Yeah, yeah, he's with us.
But then you have a watch when

457
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,640
when they're on the verge of
defeat, a watch.

458
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,360
It was like, OK, look, there's a
way for us to get out of this,

459
00:26:40,360 --> 00:26:41,680
but you're going to have to make
a oath.

460
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,240
And they're sitting there like,
so you want us to become like

461
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:46,600
them.
And Storm was like little we'll

462
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,200
figure it out afterwards.
Just say the damn word so that

463
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:50,520
we.
Can yeah yeah, yeah birdie

464
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:54,000
birdie was like can I can I see
can I see the much we'll call it

465
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:58,720
what she say she's a she wanted
she wanted to see the bylaws

466
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:00,560
before before she agreed to it
you.

467
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,080
Don't have time to do that
because you're getting your ass

468
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:04,880
whooped.
They didn't have time to go

469
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:08,240
through the four pages of Quote
of of Oats that he tried to have

470
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,720
them have them a repeat too.
He was like, I state your name

471
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,280
will solemnly swear to that and
I'm like, you ain't got time for

472
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:15,840
that.
I'm like, why are you going

473
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:17,800
through 4 pages of what you
going to do?

474
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,800
I'm like fuck it, just say I do.
Right, right.

475
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,880
And then that that image of them
all in the suit.

476
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:29,360
And this is the first time that
we actually see Oatu with legs.

477
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:33,200
You know, it's kind of like that
they've all got these these

478
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:34,880
suits on and they're all
glowing.

479
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:39,840
And I was just like, OK, so
we're on a more level playing

480
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,240
field.
And it still was it?

481
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:46,600
Because it's almost like it was
like watching a old 80s

482
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:51,120
wrestling match with Hulk Hogan.
It's like you have you have one

483
00:27:51,120 --> 00:27:54,440
side that's kind of overpowering
and you looks like and and it

484
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,600
looks like the other team is
about to be defeated.

485
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,480
And then all of a sudden they
have their Hulk Hogan moment.

486
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:01,240
And then it goes the opposite
way.

487
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:06,600
This is kind of like who's going
to win and how and like are are

488
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:08,040
they actually going to have to
kill people?

489
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,920
Because you really thought at
some point that the, the the

490
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,800
women were going to kill the
eminence because he just

491
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:20,560
wouldn't back down no matter how
they were getting defeated, no

492
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,040
matter what can because he
really thought, OK, you know

493
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,760
what, we got this.
We're the most powerful beings

494
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:27,720
in the universe.
We we got this.

495
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:32,680
And every time they started
getting defeated, he just got to

496
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,480
a point we was like, no OK,
y'all just going to have to kill

497
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:36,320
me?
I'm not.

498
00:28:36,360 --> 00:28:38,040
I'm not giving in.
I'm not letting up.

499
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:42,520
I'm not doing nothing.
Even when even when the White 2

500
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:47,560
showed him mercy, he was like, I
ain't teach you everything.

501
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,880
Yeah, I'm trying to wipe them
people off out of existence.

502
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:53,440
And then you ain't got no power
but.

503
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,600
When Agatha said mercy is
overrated when she was being

504
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,880
pursued by the Salem 7.
I'm like you don't just don't

505
00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:03,640
no, just don't don't do that.
You yeah, I understand, but

506
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:09,280
don't like Nah, but I shout out
to shout out to Peggy grabbing

507
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,280
the walk, grabbing one of the
watchers by the roof of his

508
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,520
mouth and rag doll again like.
That.

509
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:20,360
Was I was like.
I was thinking of the the the

510
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,080
God moment from revenge.
But.

511
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,400
There was there was another
moment in this episode where one

512
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,360
of the where one of the three
watches did that with.

513
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:31,720
What's going birdie?
Was it?

514
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,000
Yeah.
And I was like, oh this is like

515
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,760
now kiss and boom.
And like smashed them together

516
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,360
and.
I was like and and did this

517
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:40,160
thing.
Yeah, he was like.

518
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:45,320
OK, and kiss.
Wow, I was like shit, that's.

519
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,360
And I figured out that's why
they had to get of Infinity

520
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:53,880
Ultron because imagine Infinity
Ultron with watcher power that

521
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,400
that would have been a problem.
That would have been a huge

522
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,040
problem.
That would have been a problem.

523
00:29:58,040 --> 00:29:59,200
That would have been a huge
problem.

524
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:07,120
Yeah, yeah.
But so I'm kind of I guess I'm

525
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,560
kind of torn because, you know,
these were the last two episodes

526
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:15,160
for the What if series.
It's it's, it's done now and I,

527
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,480
I don't quite know how I feel
about.

528
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:22,080
It I'm glad, I'm happy, kind of.
It's over.

529
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,080
I'm not.
We don't have to go back,

530
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,280
revisit this.
If they're not going to do it

531
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:31,680
right, then just don't do it.
And, and I guess that's the

532
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:36,600
that's the thing, because part
of me likes the anthology

533
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,040
version of it, like you like you
like Anthony.

534
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:43,120
But also I feel like the way
that they did the first two

535
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,120
seasons where you had these
little anthologies, but then

536
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,840
they they kind of came together
to make a big bigger story.

537
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,560
Like we're kind of used to the
Marvel movies doing.

538
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:58,000
I like that part of it because
those first two seasons, they

539
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:02,960
made sense in a way, you know,
as far as what the end story was

540
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,760
for the first season, what the
end story was for the second

541
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:09,520
season, how the how those
stories converge and, and make

542
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:13,000
made this bigger story.
It made sense and it was good.

543
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,400
And I remember like going back
listening to our episodes,

544
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:20,120
discussing that we all like the
first two seasons better.

545
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,720
They just, I don't know, maybe
the story was better, the

546
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,080
writing was better.
The maybe it was just because

547
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,400
there were characters there that
we were used to seeing and

548
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,600
seeing them in different verses
of themselves, like, you know,

549
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:37,160
T'challa being Star Lord and
Killmonger having, you know, the

550
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,320
the Black Panther powers.
It was just, I don't know,

551
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:46,760
something about the first two
seasons felt more, I don't know

552
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:50,600
if they felt more cohesive this
season, just it was kind of like

553
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:55,280
all over the place.
I don't know if it was cohesion

554
00:31:55,280 --> 00:32:01,400
as much as it they were closer
to the spirit of the comic

555
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,760
books.
OK, Like what if Killmonger

556
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:09,120
became Black Panther and that's
that's the easy story to tell.

557
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:15,800
What if Pat Carter got the Super
soldier serum instead of Steve?

558
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:17,880
Right.
Easy story to tell.

559
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,760
You know what I'm saying?
Those are the kind of stories

560
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:26,520
that what if is known for in the
comic book world, those moments

561
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:32,080
that change everything, you
know, so we can think if we if

562
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:39,040
we think of think of the MCU
movies and you know, what if

563
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,800
what if, what's his name
defeating Iron Man in Iron Man?

564
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,360
2:00 What if he had actually
killed him?

565
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:50,120
Like what, what would be the
ramifications of that, you know,

566
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:56,440
or what if they never found Cap?
How would The Avengers have

567
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,760
turned out?
You know what I'm saying?

568
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:03,400
So there, there are ways, there
are things that the decisions

569
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:07,880
that create the what ifs.
It it made a little bit more

570
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,960
sense in those first couple of
seasons, a little bit.

571
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:17,600
The T'challa and Star Lord is
still weird to me, but it was

572
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,920
fun.
I mean, this this season still

573
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,240
had something.
I mean, the one with the Red

574
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:27,120
Guardian and The Winter Soldier
was was was basically a what if.

575
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,360
Like what if, what if Red
Guardian stopped The Winter

576
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,040
Soldier from complete, I mean,
from killing Howard Stark.

577
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:34,560
Yeah, that's that's a what if.
Yeah.

578
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:38,080
But we didn't, we didn't get a.
We didn't get a lot of that.

579
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,040
I don't see.
I mean, we didn't get much of

580
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,480
that.
I mean the one, the one with

581
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,720
Rhode Island, Rhode Island is
was basically what if, what if

582
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:50,600
the what if the what if the
eternal actually busted through?

583
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:52,640
What would happen?
Yeah, what if the emergence

584
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:54,320
actually happened?
What if the emergence happened?

585
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,960
I mean there.
I I see what you're saying

586
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:58,480
though.
I mean there there's some that

587
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:03,440
aren't that aren't as good of a
what if story as in the previous

588
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,400
ones.
Right, because if you based it

589
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:09,120
on the Eternals, you would say
it would have been an Eternals

590
00:34:09,159 --> 00:34:10,520
episode.
It wouldn't have been a Rio

591
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:14,480
Williams episode in my What if
the emergence had happened?

592
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,360
What if the Eternals didn't stop
the Emergence?

593
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,080
Right.
It wouldn't necessarily have

594
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,920
been about RiRi Williams.
It would have been about the

595
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,440
eternal.
Well, I mean, after after the

596
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,360
emergence, I think the Eternals
are recalled anyway, so it's

597
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,199
like they couldn't have done
anything about it.

598
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,159
Yeah, it's like the the like
they would have been recalled by

599
00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:34,800
the Celestials to go to another
planet and start it all over

600
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:36,800
again.
That's true, the episode would

601
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:41,719
have could have been better
because it was too I guess.

602
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:45,760
I guess I'm saying it was too
much and it should be on a

603
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:47,159
smaller scale.
Yeah.

604
00:34:47,159 --> 00:34:51,480
Like what if?
What if Miss Miss Monroe had

605
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,880
defeated or never you?
Know Mysterio.

606
00:34:55,199 --> 00:34:56,440
Mysterio.
Sorry.

607
00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:00,280
Mysterio.
Mysterio had hadn't had defeated

608
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:02,160
Peter Parker.
Yeah, you know.

609
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,480
What I mean and then you, you
know I mean.

610
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,640
I think with that, like with
that episode also because you're

611
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,160
pulling in so many different
elements, you you're pulling in

612
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,520
the Eternals, you're pulling in
Riwill Ironheart, you're pulling

613
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:18,280
in Spider Man.
And was there something else in

614
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:18,880
there?
Oh, you're.

615
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:24,360
Pulling a lot of things.
Yeah, you got Shangshi and and

616
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,840
Doctor.
So it it's so much there.

617
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:33,360
Because I don't mind them using
those stories in those movies,

618
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,480
but use them in a meaningful
way, like William Shine.

619
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,280
She hadn't stopped the thing
from coming through the wall,

620
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,240
through the gate.
What would that have looked

621
00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:43,040
like?
Yeah.

622
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,320
You know what I'm saying?
So so I guess that's what I'm

623
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,880
saying.
Like I, I wanted it to be more

624
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:50,160
relevant.
Yeah.

625
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,840
To the to the stories that we
already know.

626
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,400
And I guess it's kind of how it
is in the comic books.

627
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:00,760
Yeah.
And I guess also too, it's kind

628
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:05,200
of like with the way that again
with the way the season 1 and

629
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,200
Season 2 happen, you have these
different stories with these

630
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,760
certain characters and then at
the end of the season, they all

631
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:16,960
came together for a particular
conclusion to that season.

632
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:21,600
First off with with these two
episodes, these last two

633
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:26,200
episodes of the whole series,
they really had nothing to do

634
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,560
with anything that's happened
this season.

635
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:33,760
Nothing except for Birdie being
born Cohort was from last

636
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,440
season.
We haven't seen Captain Carter

637
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:43,280
since last season Storm.
This was her intro into the MCU.

638
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,640
What if Infinity Ultron last
season.

639
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:51,760
So nothing that happened in this
season had anything to do with

640
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:55,840
the these last two episodes.
And I think that's part of the

641
00:36:55,840 --> 00:37:01,200
issue I had with it, because
there doesn't seem to be a sense

642
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,840
of completion for me.
OK.

643
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,200
Oh, that's I remember my other
point.

644
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:10,640
It was, it was almost like the
writers, whoever the writers

645
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:14,200
were, were huge fans of Sliders
because that's that's how

646
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,360
Sliders was.
And if people don't remember

647
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:23,000
that what Sliders was, this
group of people ended up sliding

648
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:27,120
trying to get back to the IT was
almost like a budget quantity.

649
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:30,480
They weren't setting things
right.

650
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:31,800
They were just trying to get
home.

651
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:36,920
And so they were sliding through
the multiverse and and they

652
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:40,080
would always either find a place
that was completely different,

653
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:44,440
or they would find a place that
was very similar but slightly

654
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,240
different.
But their goal was to try to

655
00:37:47,240 --> 00:37:50,840
find their way home sliding and
they had the time limit and

656
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:52,800
whatnot.
It felt like the people who

657
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,520
wrote this were fans of that
show and baby fans of Quantum

658
00:37:56,520 --> 00:38:00,680
Leap and was like, oh, let's do
this instead of sticking to

659
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:03,520
what?
Because I'll tell you the best

660
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,760
episodes of OK, Quantum Leap was
like my favorite show of all

661
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,680
time.
And some of the best Quantum

662
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:15,160
Leap episodes were not a part of
the main arc of the main arc was

663
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:19,680
him getting back home.
Those stand alone episodes were

664
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,440
the best.
You know, those stand alone

665
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,840
episodes were really, really
good.

666
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,280
Same thing with Sliders.
Sliders had a lot of faults with

667
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,120
it.
It was a it was a it was a very

668
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:33,720
entertaining show.
But whenever they got into the

669
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:38,280
feed into the long art and this
tried to tie all the multiverses

670
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,720
together, that's when it's sort
of getting a little weird and

671
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,040
and strange.
And that's sort of kind of like

672
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:48,480
the feeling I got with this.
It's like if you had an episode,

673
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,280
what if Storm became the God of
Thunder?

674
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,360
Then that becomes related to
your big story arc.

675
00:38:56,240 --> 00:38:59,760
You know, they didn't do that.
You know, you had to go back to

676
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:01,320
the previous season to get
Cohorty.

677
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,920
You had to go back to the
previous season to get Captain

678
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,600
Carter.
We got Birdie this season, but

679
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:08,040
she was.
A baby so.

680
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:12,480
She was an infant.
And who's the other person in

681
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,560
the group?
That.

682
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:16,520
Was it that was it those four of
them?

683
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:18,000
In Infinity.
Ultron.

684
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:22,760
Yeah, but you, you didn't.
And I, I don't want to say it's

685
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,760
because I didn't get an episode
of Storm becoming the God of

686
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,160
Thunder.
That would have been amazing.

687
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,280
And they probably changed my
opinion of the season.

688
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,120
But you can't just throw it in
at the end and not give us any

689
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:35,960
context.
Right.

690
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,280
I was a little, I was a little
peed about that too.

691
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:42,960
But my opinion, in my opinion, I
think this is just this is a

692
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,280
grab bag season because it's the
last season.

693
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:48,360
I think they had all the writers
write their ideas of what they

694
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:51,880
wanted to happen and they put it
in a hat and they just went,

695
00:39:52,720 --> 00:39:56,240
let's see Avengers and mech
form.

696
00:39:56,240 --> 00:40:01,640
OK, we'll do that.
Let's see Wild West Chongqi,

697
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:04,240
sure, we'll do that too.
And then they just started

698
00:40:04,240 --> 00:40:06,720
pulling stuff out of a hat
because like you said.

699
00:40:06,720 --> 00:40:09,120
Everybody little storm,
Everybody little storm with me

700
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,040
on here.
OK, let's throw it in.

701
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:13,680
Yeah, yeah.
Everybody else tired of the

702
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:14,440
duck?
Let's go.

703
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,800
Background just just put it put
it in the last two episodes, but

704
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:18,880
because they've been waiting for
it, just, you know, because

705
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:22,040
that's what Marvel loves to do
is tease the tease X-Men any way

706
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:24,560
they can without giving us a
proper payoff.

707
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:33,280
But and I just also, I think
that while I like this season,

708
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:37,320
while there were there were some
parts of it I kind of I was kind

709
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:41,480
of iffy on.
But All in all, I just kind of

710
00:40:42,720 --> 00:40:47,520
really try to, just like I've
taught Anthony this season, take

711
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:51,880
just take every up as as an
individual episode and not as

712
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,640
something that needs to blink,
tear here and here.

713
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,600
It's like it's not him that.
Huh.

714
00:40:57,680 --> 00:40:59,200
Who said he did?
You just said I did.

715
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:05,760
Since a thank you.
Because it's like a perfect,

716
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:07,880
perfect example of that is the
Agatha episode.

717
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,560
It's like I'm probably the only
one of the three of us that

718
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,600
really actually like that
episode because you because she

719
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,960
she doesn't like Agatha and
anything was just like me

720
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,640
because it wasn't.
It was a weird episode to be

721
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,040
sure it had its problems.
Yes, it did.

722
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:26,800
It did have its problems, but I
thoroughly enjoyed how they told

723
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:28,400
the story and that, but that's
just me.

724
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,000
I'm weird.
Let me say this they could have

725
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:34,520
given me a storm intro episode
instead of that Agatha episode,

726
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,320
and that would have that would
have changed my because it

727
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:43,160
because again and at the end,
these last two episodes, Agatha

728
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:47,920
Kingo, none of those characters
that were in that episode had

729
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:49,840
anything to do with these last
two episodes.

730
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:54,160
But you throw in Storm, who let,
OK, even though I know it's

731
00:41:54,160 --> 00:42:00,240
rare, somebody watching this who
may not be familiar with the

732
00:42:00,240 --> 00:42:03,680
X-Men, who may not be familiar
with Storm, they're probably

733
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:05,840
watching this like, who is she
and why is she here?

734
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,480
You know what I'm saying?
Like I said, I know it's rare

735
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,480
because even if you're not an
avid comic book person, you

736
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:13,600
pretty much know who Storm is
and.

737
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:16,080
If you watched the last two
seasons of with you if you would

738
00:42:16,240 --> 00:42:19,240
still be like.
Right, right.

739
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,720
Like the only the the only
people who will probably really,

740
00:42:22,720 --> 00:42:25,520
really be like, Oh my God, Storm
is in here are the people who

741
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:29,800
watch X-Men 97 and this because
this is literally the same Storm

742
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:33,880
from the X-Men 97 animated
series, because the voice

743
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:36,200
actress is the same one.
Who was in Silly Smith?

744
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:39,640
Yeah.
But yeah, they could have taken

745
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:43,000
out that Agatha, especially
consider we just got a whole

746
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:46,520
series of Agatha.
They really didn't have to bring

747
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:49,000
her into what if, especially if
there was going to be no payoff

748
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,200
for the care.
Do you think they did it like

749
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:56,520
because they meant to put put
out what if before and then have

750
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:59,640
it lead into Agatha?
Nah, Nah.

751
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,680
OK.
That will say the same iron I

752
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,320
would like because they because
they introduced Ironheart and

753
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:07,240
they're leading into Ironheart
later this year.

754
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:11,880
I would easy I would more easily
believe that the writers

755
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:15,640
changed.
OK, that it was there she was

756
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:19,480
probably either Hurricane was
probably going to be a part of

757
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:25,600
the of the team at the end and
whoever was looking forward to

758
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:27,640
doing the long term plan axed
it.

759
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,760
They not it's not going to work.
You know what I mean?

760
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,560
Yeah.
And then I I would I would

761
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:36,720
believe that more than I believe
that they were trying to to lead

762
00:43:36,720 --> 00:43:40,480
in because you have a you
already know what your audience

763
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,760
is going to be.
You don't have to advertise, oh,

764
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:45,360
we're going to have an episode
of Agatha.

765
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,960
I hope that you pull in those
handful of people that watch.

766
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,160
Right, because anybody who
watched One Division, they would

767
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:55,240
have been, I mean, that's
literally the audience that was

768
00:43:55,240 --> 00:44:00,640
going to watch Agatha all along.
Because like I said, people were

769
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,960
interested in in seeing what
this character was about, what

770
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:07,400
her background was or whatever.
It just, for me, the series just

771
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,520
didn't do what I thought it was
going to do.

772
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:14,080
And to be realistic, the
audience for What if is not the

773
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,320
same as the audience for Agatha.
Online.

774
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,520
It's just not the same audience.
This is be real.

775
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:21,720
It's not.
And the people who are going to

776
00:44:21,720 --> 00:44:25,520
watch what if are going to watch
what if, regardless of Agatha

777
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:28,120
being the first episode or not,
now they would have been

778
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:29,720
interested.
They're like, oh, that's that's

779
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,120
interesting.
And if you had tied it back and

780
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:35,480
put her in the last episode as
part of the guardians of the the

781
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,680
multiverse, that would have been
something to be, you know,

782
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:44,280
interesting in right Shan
Shanxi, not necessarily.

783
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:48,640
You already have Captain Carter,
who is woefully be honest with

784
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:52,240
you, under power to be on the
causes of multiverse.

785
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:54,760
It's shame.
She just punches things, you

786
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:57,520
know, which brings me back to I
don't what is marvel?

787
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,160
What are they doing?
Like the thunderbolts against

788
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,680
century?
Why, like what is the point?

789
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:05,560
How are they going to stop
century?

790
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,920
If you watch the last trailer,
she's like, oh, all we do is

791
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,800
shoot bullets and punch things.
How are we supposed to stop

792
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:13,200
this?
Exactly?

793
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:16,040
Exactly.
So which brings me back to the

794
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,080
point I'm trying to make about
Captain Carter.

795
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:23,120
You can't have Shang Shi in last
episode because you got Captain

796
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,280
Carter.
You can't have two of them and

797
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:29,480
all they do is punch things and
one throws a shield.

798
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:34,080
You see what I'm saying?
Like the person, whoever did the

799
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:37,960
overall thing of this and
whatever their plan was, I'm

800
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,400
sure they had to abandon you.
That's probably why they brought

801
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:48,680
forward in, That's probably why
they brought in storm, because

802
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,560
the people that you started
with, it wasn't going to work.

803
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:53,680
You know, it wasn't going to
work for them.

804
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,680
Like, well, this, what we're
planning to do is not going to

805
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:58,320
work.
And so we're going to have to go

806
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,720
back to the drawing board.
So they rewrote it and that's

807
00:46:00,720 --> 00:46:06,880
what it feels like because other
than Birdie, none of the other

808
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,320
team members make any sense
based on the season.

809
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,560
Yeah, they probably could have
brought Kingo in, and that would

810
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:17,520
have made more sense because at
least Kingo is, you know, an

811
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:21,520
eternal spawned by the
Celestial, so he might actually

812
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:24,280
have the power.
Yeah, and that would have been

813
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:27,280
and I would even be OK with
Peggy because Peggy's

814
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:30,520
relationship would want to you.
Know, yeah.

815
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:33,360
And in that sense, if they were
going to bring anybody back from

816
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:36,800
last season, they should have
brought Black Widow because he

817
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:41,160
helped her out as well, you
know, and, and she, she was

818
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:43,680
aware of him, she was aware of
what he did.

819
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:47,880
So I think that would have that
would have made more sense to

820
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:50,840
me.
So I, I don't know, it feels

821
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:55,560
like there was a lot of of
things going on that they wanted

822
00:46:55,560 --> 00:47:00,440
to do and it didn't make sense
or they want to do other things,

823
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:04,360
but you know, it is what it is.
Like, I'm sure they wanted to

824
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:09,280
have Rea Williams in the last
episode, but because she owed

825
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:13,640
him for saving her life, right?
And and that would have made

826
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,520
sense.
So I don't know dope actually.

827
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:21,440
Because she would have basically
have been like almost, I don't

828
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,600
want to say like, if any go
Trump, but she would have been

829
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:28,480
pretty damn close, you know?
Yeah, yeah.

830
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:32,080
And if you want to make an all
girls team to do that, but

831
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:34,240
someone probably said, well, we
got Storm, we can't have another

832
00:47:34,240 --> 00:47:35,760
black girl on the team.
That's not going to work.

833
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:39,200
Yep, to win too dark you.
Know what?

834
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,720
That's probably what happened.
But OK, so it's so talking about

835
00:47:42,720 --> 00:47:43,880
that.
This is the other thing that

836
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:46,520
kind of irritates me that's
related to all of that.

837
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:51,160
You have this all, you know this
this very powerful all girls

838
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:56,440
team who is tasked with saving
the multiverse here, you know,

839
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:58,640
fighting against the three
watchers.

840
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:03,760
Again, going back to what we
just said, why leave Black Widow

841
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,000
out?
She's she knew who want to us.

842
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:09,000
She and her own right is
powerful.

843
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:12,640
Yes, she is a human character
doesn't have any magic, but

844
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:16,280
that's one of the things that I
feel like has always made that a

845
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:18,520
Black Widow kind of valuable as
well.

846
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:25,680
But again, you have someone who
was so important in in the first

847
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:29,720
two seasons, you had Black Widow
and several of those episodes,

848
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:33,960
but then kind of like they did
in the main MCU, you kill her

849
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:38,040
character off and she's not
involved in the end game battle

850
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:39,800
at all.
Similar to this.

851
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:42,320
She's so important in the first
two seasons.

852
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:46,200
And then in the last season when
Peggy Carter, who by all rights

853
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:50,240
in the first two seasons was one
of her best friends, she's

854
00:48:50,240 --> 00:48:52,400
nowhere to be found.
I have a problem with that.

855
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:57,000
Yeah, like why would Piggy not
draft her to be to be on the?

856
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:59,560
Garden Rd.
And how would be how would she

857
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:03,880
be so, so close to the Storm
character that we've never seen

858
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:07,320
before in this iteration?
Now, I'm not I'm not knocking

859
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:11,000
that friendship or that
sisterhood, because we know that

860
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:16,880
Storm has those close ties she
did with Jean Grey in X-Men 97.

861
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:21,840
But here it just because you
just threw this character in at

862
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:25,880
the very last minute.
It just really didn't make any

863
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:28,240
sense.
I again, I'm not complaining

864
00:49:28,240 --> 00:49:29,760
about the fact that Storm is
here.

865
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:31,520
I love the fact that she was
here.

866
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:34,760
The fact that she came in with
Mona and they were like, oh, I

867
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:37,800
didn't know Thor was here.
That we was like, no, that's not

868
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:42,280
Thor.
But again, you give us no

869
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:46,320
introduction to this character
in this particular universe.

870
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:47,880
You don't give us any
background.

871
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:52,600
You don't tell us how she came
to be part of Peggy's group.

872
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:57,200
Again, you could have taken out
the Agatha episode, You could

873
00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:59,720
have put in a storm episode
introducing her.

874
00:49:59,720 --> 00:50:04,040
I would have been way.
It's all about contacts and

875
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:06,680
connections.
It's like you can't, you can't

876
00:50:06,720 --> 00:50:10,720
have, you can't do both and be
good at both.

877
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:14,520
You had to do one or the other.
Either you wanted the stories to

878
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:21,200
be cohesive and connected to
lead to a cultivating moment, or

879
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:24,040
you wanted to have these stand
alone episodes.

880
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:29,080
The problem is if you do both,
you're going to kind of get some

881
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:32,080
mixed messages, giving mixed
messages to your audience.

882
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:34,640
So that's how you end up with
storm.

883
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:37,920
Well, you didn't have the storm
episode, but you give us a

884
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:40,640
storm, right?
Yeah, Also, go ahead.

885
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:42,840
I'm sorry.
OK.

886
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:46,240
Also also, right when Peggy was
getting ready to leave and try

887
00:50:46,240 --> 00:50:49,200
to recruit Ultron, she looked at
a picture of all the Guardians

888
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:51,720
of the Galaxy and everybody was
in it.

889
00:50:51,720 --> 00:50:53,880
Like Bertie was in Accord, he
was in it.

890
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:57,920
Also, Thor was in it, Gomorrah
was in it, Charlotte Starboard

891
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:00,000
was in, and Black Widow was in
that picture.

892
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:03,400
So there is a link where they
could have called any one of

893
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:06,480
them to come and help them.
So it's like they knew, they

894
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:08,360
knew each other.
They knew each other very well

895
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:10,480
because the picture is a fun
picture where they're just,

896
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:12,160
they're posing all wild and
shit.

897
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:16,160
So it's like she could have gone
and got him anybody she wanted

898
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:16,400
to.
Yeah.

899
00:51:18,240 --> 00:51:25,800
So I don't know, but I think
overall, I will say for the

900
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:30,760
three seasons, I enjoyed most of
it more than I didn't enjoy it.

901
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:34,120
I just think this last season
was just kind of all over the

902
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:36,520
place.
And although there were episodes

903
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:41,120
that I really did like in this
third season, I just don't feel

904
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:48,440
like the ending, the finale that
we got matched three seasons

905
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:50,560
worth of, of what we had been
getting.

906
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:53,840
It just, I, I don't know, it
just feels incomplete to me.

907
00:51:54,720 --> 00:51:57,400
Oh I'm sorry, I just thought of
the Red Guardian in Winter

908
00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:59,600
Soldier episode.
What was the point of that?

909
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:03,200
Like what?
Did they do I want to, I

910
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:08,800
probably want to say that is
that was more likely kind of

911
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:10,400
what we just said a few minutes
ago.

912
00:52:10,720 --> 00:52:13,720
That's kind of giving us a
little bit of an introduction to

913
00:52:13,720 --> 00:52:16,200
those two characters together
before the Thunder.

914
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:17,720
Before the Thunder that's.
What I think?

915
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:20,120
Y'all were trying to do too
much.

916
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:21,920
Y'all were trying to do too
much.

917
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:23,560
Trying.
To do too much.

918
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:25,960
But again, it's it's a typical
what if episode.

919
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,960
It's like, what if the Red
Guardian stopped Winter Soldier

920
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:30,720
from killing Howard Stark?
Yeah.

921
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:32,880
And see that's.
A What if episode.

922
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:39,960
Bother me as much, especially
considering we have seen Bucky

923
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:43,520
in one of the, you know, in
other what if episodes so it's

924
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:47,360
not like they just randomly
threw him in there and it was

925
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:52,440
kind of like what?
If it is obviously an intro to

926
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:55,840
the characters being together
for Thunderbolts, especially

927
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:59,680
with the car chase scene on the
Route 66, yeah, we're going to

928
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:03,760
see it in the movie.
In the movie, yeah, but I've

929
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:07,640
noticed.
OK, so I when you think about

930
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:10,840
that stuff, OK, we're going to
talk about Captain America,

931
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:16,120
Brave New World later on.
But there was a certain thing

932
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:19,920
that happened in that movie that
I was like, why didn't we get

933
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:24,960
kind of a hint about that?
And what if last season I was

934
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:27,960
like, oh, OK, we'll talk about
it later on because I don't want

935
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:31,400
to spoil anybody who didn't come
here expecting Captain America

936
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:33,520
spoilers.
But there's a certain there's a

937
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:37,840
certain scene, a certain cameo
that happens in the movie.

938
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:41,440
And it's like, what?
And then I thought I said, oh,

939
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:44,000
wait, they did this and what if
last season?

940
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:46,520
So, but yeah.
They did.

941
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:48,240
They really did.
And.

942
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:52,000
We'll talk about later, but that
was a freaking reshoot.

943
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:55,720
It just threw that shit in there
and we're going to talk about

944
00:53:55,720 --> 00:54:00,560
that later.
But yeah, so I don't think that

945
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:03,120
one that episode didn't bother
me as much.

946
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:07,160
Also because you guys know how I
feel about Bucky, so I don't

947
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:10,280
mind seeing a Bucky episode.
And I guess that's kind of

948
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:13,800
biased because like Mike said,
I'm really not an Agatha fan.

949
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:16,600
So I really could have done
without that Agatha episode.

950
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:20,040
It wouldn't have bothered me.
Although I do like Kingo, but

951
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:24,800
again, I just feel like a that a
missed opportunity for Storm

952
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:29,360
episode was in there like they.
Just it was, it was definitely

953
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:31,480
in there.
And when you step back, I mean,

954
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:34,880
I know I said the same thing.
I liked that episode.

955
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:36,920
Red Guardian Bike.
It was it was fun.

956
00:54:37,720 --> 00:54:41,680
But when you step back, it
doesn't really fit in the motif

957
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:44,680
of the season.
Just like the Agatha episode.

958
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:47,920
It it it really and or the Shang
Shi episode?

959
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:50,400
Yeah.
You, you can't do, oh, if you

960
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:53,040
got to do one or the other,
Yeah, you know.

961
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:54,760
Especially.
They did.

962
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:58,000
They did.
You, you actually follow a, a, a

963
00:54:58,240 --> 00:55:03,760
formula and to, to get to a, a
specific conclusion for the, for

964
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:08,160
the season.
So yeah, yeah, but I don't know,

965
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:11,680
I guess at, at, at this point
it's over.

966
00:55:12,240 --> 00:55:16,200
I'm kind of glad it's over now.
Like I, I really did love this

967
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:19,360
show the first two seasons, but
like I said, this third season

968
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:26,200
just felt a little disjointed
and unfortunately we've been

969
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:32,400
feeling a a a lot about the MCU,
especially in the last phase.

970
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:35,720
It's just kind of like hit or
miss and I don't know what's

971
00:55:35,720 --> 00:55:38,280
going on.
I don't, I don't know what what

972
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:42,120
they're doing, but it just I
don't know.

973
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:46,440
They really kind of they missed
an opportunity for this show to

974
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:50,360
go out on a very high note.
You know, my personal opinion,

975
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:53,040
it just didn't it, it just kind
of fell flat for me.

976
00:55:53,240 --> 00:55:56,840
Like, I, I liked learning more
about Oahu.

977
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:59,880
I liked learning about his
history with the Watchers, how

978
00:55:59,880 --> 00:56:04,440
he became a watcher.
I like seeing his change of

979
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:08,280
heart over the last three
seasons, how he went from this

980
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:13,240
cold, unfeeling, oh, I'm just
observing, you know, type of

981
00:56:13,240 --> 00:56:19,080
person to a person who actually
through because of his

982
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:21,840
connection to humanity.
I like seeing that.

983
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,240
I like seeing, you know,
character growth and character

984
00:56:24,240 --> 00:56:29,760
change like that.
But I don't know, it just.

985
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:34,520
Yeah, I just didn't.
It didn't do for me what I was

986
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:38,400
expecting a final season to do.
So.

987
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:41,440
Yeah.
I agree.

988
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:43,840
I liked it.
I I, I was thoroughly

989
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:45,520
entertained by all three
seasons.

990
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:48,680
I I mean, there were, there were
sure, there were, there were

991
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:51,920
some moments where you kind of
like, and that's questionable.

992
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:56,360
But again, like I said when we
first started covering what if,

993
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:59,960
this is probably one of my
favorite comic series of all

994
00:56:59,960 --> 00:57:03,920
time because it really sparks my
imagination where you kind of

995
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:06,360
make up your own what if
scenarios when you read them,

996
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:09,560
like it's like you can like
think of, Oh, well, what if?

997
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:12,640
What if instead of Wolverine
having adamantium clause, psych

998
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:17,600
OPS adamantium clause, or what
if, what if Nightcrawler had

999
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:19,720
Charles Xavier's telepathic
ability?

1000
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:22,120
Like, you know, it's like you
kind of you kind of throw

1001
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:24,720
yourself into making up those
kind of scenarios.

1002
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:29,800
And that's why I really, really
loved this series as a kid and

1003
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:34,560
even as a teen, even as a really
young acting young ass acting

1004
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:38,560
adult Gen.
Xer, I still love those love

1005
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:41,600
those series.
And it was and again, we're in

1006
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:44,720
it's like, it's like our friend
Laurie says we're in one of the

1007
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:48,360
best, one of the best times to
be a geek because there's so

1008
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:52,720
much nerd shit out that just
that people are getting greenlit

1009
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:55,080
to actually put out like I
wouldn't know.

1010
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:57,600
You thought in a million years I
would see what if comics being

1011
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:00,240
made into cartoons or even new
ones being created and turned

1012
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:03,520
into what ifs.
It's like this is really cool

1013
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:07,960
for me and my teenage self when
I first found what if comics to

1014
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:13,280
actually be able to see it on a
screen and be able to talk, talk

1015
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:17,320
with other fellow nerds about it
and then be happy that I have

1016
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:19,280
these things.
So I am ecstatic.

1017
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:26,480
I love this whole series and I'm
I'm sad to see it go, but I feel

1018
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:30,640
like this season kind of showed
that they were getting weary and

1019
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:33,200
tired and just kind of throwing
stuff out there.

1020
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:36,480
And, and if they did another
season, it would have just not

1021
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:40,200
have had the same energy as it
had when it first started.

1022
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:42,920
Like it's already starting to
get tired and I don't want to

1023
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:44,760
see it.
I want to see something I love

1024
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:49,000
just being really being
relegated and just kind of half

1025
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:51,680
assed, you know, I'm saying.
So I'm kind of glad they're not

1026
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:54,120
doing another one.
I wouldn't mind seeing a movie

1027
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:59,520
about it, but yeah.
But I'm I still thoroughly

1028
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:06,560
enjoyed most of these.
I I completely feel where you're

1029
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:10,320
coming from.
I do What If is also one of my

1030
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:15,480
favorite series and it has its
roots and the choose your only

1031
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:18,360
adventure books for me.
Yes, absolutely.

1032
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:22,320
You, you always think about the
different possibilities of

1033
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:28,080
things that happen.
And, and I'm going to, I'm going

1034
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:34,040
to talk my, our friend, friend
of the show, Nick and I always

1035
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:37,320
get into these arguments.
I'm sorry, these heated

1036
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:44,840
discussions, discussions about,
about just being happy that

1037
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:48,640
something is being made.
You know, just be happy there's

1038
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:51,760
another Star Wars TV show.
Just be happy that there's

1039
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:54,480
another Star Trek movie.
Just be happy there's another

1040
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:56,360
MCU.
It's not know where you're

1041
00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:58,080
going.
It's not enough for me.

1042
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:05,040
I, I, it, it is not enough.
I need more quality, need need

1043
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:08,640
consistency.
Just just because I'm a fan of

1044
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:11,880
your show, just because I love
your property, just because the

1045
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:16,200
initial property is my fandom,
doesn't mean I have to eat it.

1046
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:20,440
I'm I'm trying not to curse I.
You don't have to.

1047
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:23,360
What is that?
What is that told Nick?

1048
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:25,840
Don't pee on me and call it
rain.

1049
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:32,640
Don't do that to me.
I want I, I like OK.

1050
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:38,200
I'm I'm, I'm as big a fan of
popcorn flicks as anyone.

1051
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:42,920
I like going to the movies and
seeing, you know, if I go to the

1052
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:46,400
movies and I, I see something
and I can enjoy it.

1053
01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:49,320
The John Wick movies are like
that.

1054
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:53,520
You don't expect them to be, you
know, these great masterpieces

1055
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:55,640
of work.
They're fun and entertaining.

1056
01:00:56,040 --> 01:00:57,720
That's how.
That's how fast and Furious is

1057
01:00:57,720 --> 01:01:01,320
for me.
Fast and Furious, as much as I

1058
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:05,680
dog those movies, I still go and
watch them.

1059
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:10,720
I still laugh and it it is a fun
time and it's fun to make fun of

1060
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:15,920
those movies, but I can't.
For some reason, I have a hard

1061
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:19,520
time doing that because the
expectation level that Marvel

1062
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:24,240
has created and the quality of
the stuff that we're doing

1063
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:28,080
versus what's happening now.
Like you started out at the

1064
01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:32,160
popcorn flick level with the
first Iron Man, you know, or

1065
01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:34,240
Blade.
Because Michelle and I recently

1066
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:38,520
watched Blade again and Blade is
a fun movie, right?

1067
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:42,920
It's not, it's not a great film.
It's got a lot of problems, but

1068
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:45,840
it's a fun movie.
Expectation level's low, but

1069
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:49,520
then when you get into The
Avengers, if you start getting

1070
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:53,680
into end game and and movies,
that kind of matter.

1071
01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:56,520
That's why a man Quantum mania
was such a let down.

1072
01:01:57,640 --> 01:02:00,560
MCU.
They keep heaven Feige.

1073
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:04,080
I'm going to blame him for it.
They keep putting out these

1074
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:08,840
these properties and these
things that just aren't quality.

1075
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:12,000
Like I can't even enjoy watching
secret invasion.

1076
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:15,920
It's terrible.
You know, Eternals, this is an

1077
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:18,600
artsy film.
I can enjoy it from an artsy

1078
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:22,440
perspective, but I can see why a
lot of people didn't like it.

1079
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:25,360
It was for them.
It was like it wasn't an MCU

1080
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:28,080
movie.
It was just this, this thing

1081
01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:32,760
that that happens in the MCU.
So same thing with with Black

1082
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:35,680
Widow movie.
I guess it was supposed to be

1083
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:39,960
fun, but the Taskmaster was a
disaster.

1084
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:42,600
Please.
Don't get Mike started.

1085
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:44,560
Please don't get Mike started.
Stop.

1086
01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:46,480
I'm not.
And the movie hasn't even come

1087
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:47,240
out yet.
I'm.

1088
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:52,400
Not even I'm going to end.
I'm just going to say that I

1089
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:53,800
understand where Mike is coming
from.

1090
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:57,840
I would like to sit here and say
that you can watch with if just

1091
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:00,800
for the entertainment value, but
it's hard because some of the

1092
01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:03,040
stuff just doesn't really make
any sense.

1093
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:04,720
It's hard to be entertained by
something.

1094
01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:08,760
They just kind of like what?
Just leave your hands

1095
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:11,600
scratching.
Like why is Storm here?

1096
01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:16,160
Just why?
Why you might as well could you

1097
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:18,720
could have made-up a whole team
of of people we had never seen

1098
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:23,560
before because it doesn't it
doesn't really work for me.

1099
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:31,800
And we'll talk more about this
on our episode about Captain of

1100
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:37,080
America and The Winter Soldier
part do because you know when we

1101
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:40,800
talked about.
Incredible Hulk Part 2 We'll

1102
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:43,320
we'll, we'll.
We'll, we'll, we'll come back to

1103
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:45,360
that and we'll stick a pin in
it.

1104
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:48,320
But the same thing that I'm
talking about now applies to

1105
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:52,800
that, that thing that we're
going to talk about where this

1106
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:55,760
don't give me a movie and be
like, here you go.

1107
01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:57,920
Enjoy.
Yeah, it doesn't work like that.

1108
01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:02,960
I would story time.
A long time ago, I used to take

1109
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:06,960
Bailey to Brewster's.
I don't want to call it a date,

1110
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:09,920
but you know, I would just take
her so we can hang out.

1111
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:13,800
We get Brewster's ice cream.
And you know, this time,

1112
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:16,720
Valentine's Day, I said, you
know what, it's been years since

1113
01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:18,440
I took her to get Brewster's ice
cream.

1114
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:23,760
And I remember Bruce's ice cream
being so good that Brewster's

1115
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:29,560
ice cream and now in my old age,
is overpriced.

1116
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:34,600
And I'm eating ice cream and
it's freezer burn and I'm

1117
01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:38,600
sitting like, do I really
remember what it was like being

1118
01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:41,640
with her and hanging out with
her or has ice cream in the ice

1119
01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:44,040
cream has always been like this,
but I just didn't care.

1120
01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:47,520
Don't give me freezer burned ice
cream.

1121
01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:50,600
I really want some quality ice
cream.

1122
01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:54,720
Even if I didn't get it before.
You fooled me and made me think

1123
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:56,640
that's what I was getting.
Just give me that.

1124
01:04:56,640 --> 01:04:59,640
That's what I want.
Does that make sense?

1125
01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:01,400
Yes.
Yes, I know, I know.

1126
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:02,760
I kind of went off the rails.
I'm I'm.

1127
01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:04,320
I'm getting off the soapbox now,
no.

1128
01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:08,440
I mean, and no, no, I mean
related to that, I think that a

1129
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:12,280
lot of it is nostalgia based,
just like a lot of things where

1130
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:15,320
it's like you see something and
you're like, oh man, I remember

1131
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:17,360
that.
And you kind of give it a pass

1132
01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:21,880
because it's something that
evokes a evokes a feeling and

1133
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:25,560
evokes a memory for you.
So you're like, OK, it wasn't

1134
01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:27,720
the best written, it wasn't the
best acted.

1135
01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:31,680
The the effects were kind of
fucked up, but that's what it

1136
01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:33,320
is.
But but I actually got to see it

1137
01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:37,120
again, so it's fine, whatever.
And that's that's basically what

1138
01:05:37,120 --> 01:05:38,800
it is.
It's like you see things and

1139
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:42,600
you're like, OK, well, you kind
of let things slide just so you

1140
01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:45,640
could get that feeling again.
It's like, it's like one of the

1141
01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:47,920
most addictive drugs is
nostalgia.

1142
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:50,720
Nostalgia is one of the most
addictive drugs there is because

1143
01:05:51,040 --> 01:05:54,680
you get to see things where you
were happier and it gives you

1144
01:05:54,680 --> 01:05:57,440
that feeling again.
And you're like, oh man, I

1145
01:05:57,600 --> 01:05:59,240
remember that.
But then when it's gone, you're

1146
01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:02,480
like, shit, how can I feel that
way again?

1147
01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:05,280
And you keep going back forward
and back forward and back

1148
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:07,560
forward.
It's just like, you know, it, it

1149
01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:11,360
really effects you like that.
We're we're all chasing the MCU

1150
01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:14,000
high.
Yeah, chasing the MCU dragon.

1151
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:16,760
Chasing the nostalgia dragon.
Yeah, yeah.

1152
01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:22,600
So, OK, Well, I think we have
talked this episode to this at

1153
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:24,240
this point.
Oh, Oh my God.

1154
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:26,400
I got something to say.
What you got to say, Mike.

1155
01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:29,360
OK.
So first of all, shout out to

1156
01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:32,240
Allison Silly Smith for getting
another thing in the MCU.

1157
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:34,480
I'm so glad that she's finally
getting her due.

1158
01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:37,760
That was awesome.
Her, DeVry Jacobs and Natasha

1159
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:40,400
Lyonne were really good in this
episode.

1160
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:44,280
I appreciated their efforts.
Shout out to Darcy for inventing

1161
01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:47,720
Trans Universal Communication so
she could keep track of Birdie

1162
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:50,440
and ask her for the Donuts that
make her lose weight.

1163
01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:52,960
I need to find out exactly what
universe that's in so I can

1164
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:57,560
handle that too.
Shout out to Birdie being a

1165
01:06:57,560 --> 01:07:01,120
mechanical genius just like her
mom and the levels of energy

1166
01:07:01,120 --> 01:07:04,600
that she created to see when
that pod could get to the other

1167
01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:08,120
dimension.
It started with Crapola, it went

1168
01:07:08,120 --> 01:07:13,800
to loser build the lame city,
then now we're talking, then rad

1169
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:17,880
sauce, then straight fire and it
ended in money with look what

1170
01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:20,560
looked like Scrooge Mcduck in my
but I'm thinking it's probably

1171
01:07:20,560 --> 01:07:21,880
her.
It was probably Howard at the

1172
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:24,560
end, but it looked like it
looked just like Scrooge Mcduck

1173
01:07:24,560 --> 01:07:25,760
and it had like the dollar
signs.

1174
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:26,680
I'm like, that had to be
Scrooge.

1175
01:07:26,680 --> 01:07:27,760
Mcduck, Yeah.
Scrooge Mcduck?

1176
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:30,080
Yeah.
I thought I'm like, and there's

1177
01:07:30,120 --> 01:07:32,240
and there's your, there's your
Disney MCU crossover.

1178
01:07:32,240 --> 01:07:37,120
Ladies and gentlemen, shout to
that Marvel fools table being so

1179
01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:39,480
fucking rad.
Like, I want one of those so

1180
01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:41,640
badly.
I can't play foosball for shit,

1181
01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:42,880
but I'm like, yeah, I gotta have
that.

1182
01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:44,960
I don't even like foosball.
It's like I gotta have it.

1183
01:07:45,080 --> 01:07:46,640
Exactly.
I'm like that shit, dope as

1184
01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:50,840
fuck, like I gotta have it South
to Heavy metal Storm hitting the

1185
01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:54,160
Shard with her hammer and the
fucking shredding and like the

1186
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:57,640
wind blowing and her almost
getting there like that.

1187
01:07:57,720 --> 01:08:01,040
That really that that affected
the rock'n'roll part of me.

1188
01:08:01,040 --> 01:08:02,520
I was like, this is a dope ass
scene.

1189
01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:04,720
Oh, honorable mention what she
says.

1190
01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:08,560
I used to control nature.
Now I am.

1191
01:08:08,600 --> 01:08:10,320
I am nature.
Yeah, yeah.

1192
01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:14,720
Shout out to the three watchers
when they combine together to

1193
01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:18,640
clear out everybody's
everybody's multiverse at the

1194
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:21,000
end, like when they were
spinning, they look like they

1195
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:24,240
had three heads and remind me of
the living tribunal, which is

1196
01:08:24,240 --> 01:08:27,680
like a is a overpowered,
overpowered being in a Marvel

1197
01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:31,279
Universe that is like overall
and is like judging.

1198
01:08:31,279 --> 01:08:33,279
I'm like, I'm wondering if
they're trying to say that they

1199
01:08:33,279 --> 01:08:34,960
have the power to become the
living tribunal.

1200
01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:37,359
But it looked just like them,
just like a being with three

1201
01:08:37,359 --> 01:08:41,399
faces, and it looked really cool
that that animation with them,

1202
01:08:41,399 --> 01:08:46,080
like losing the the multiple
versions of them, like being

1203
01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:48,800
blown off of them was really
fucking cool.

1204
01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:53,960
Also, at the end, I was just
what that's what I was doing

1205
01:08:53,960 --> 01:08:57,279
while you were together talking.
I wrote down all of the at the

1206
01:08:57,279 --> 01:09:00,040
in the end scroll.
There were like versions of

1207
01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:02,439
superheroes that were flashing
by.

1208
01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:06,260
I wrote down as many as I could.
First we saw the 8 arm spider

1209
01:09:06,260 --> 01:09:08,600
man, which is actually in a
comic.

1210
01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:11,960
There's a version of that in
spider man lore, this ghost

1211
01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:14,000
rider samurai, which looked dope
as fuck.

1212
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:18,359
I'm totally down for that shit.
There was re re as the punisher.

1213
01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:24,160
That was just redamdiculous Like
holy shit, there was Gamora as a

1214
01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:27,200
bride.
I'm like, are they did they say

1215
01:09:27,200 --> 01:09:30,279
Gamora and kill Bill, but or are
they making Gamora marry

1216
01:09:30,279 --> 01:09:33,720
somebody like the Gamora marry
Peter Peter Quill.

1217
01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:35,800
That's kind of weird.
But she was dressed up as a

1218
01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:37,920
bride.
So I'm like, OK, Then there was

1219
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:41,680
Vision dressed up as a knight.
I'm actually down for that too.

1220
01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:45,200
Like shit.
After that there was Thanos as

1221
01:09:45,200 --> 01:09:49,000
Weapon X, like with the
adamanium claws and the helmet

1222
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:51,840
with Logan first got the
adamanium infusion.

1223
01:09:52,240 --> 01:09:54,120
I was like, I don't want to see
that.

1224
01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:58,520
Like we don't need that, no.
But after that there was Kingo

1225
01:09:58,520 --> 01:10:01,480
as Iron Man, which was really
intriguing.

1226
01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:04,640
I was like, I looked, I was
like, is that Kingo?

1227
01:10:04,920 --> 01:10:08,200
But he had an Iron Man suit on
and I'm like, So what if the

1228
01:10:08,200 --> 01:10:10,800
what if the Eternals took that
literally took the place of The

1229
01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:14,840
Avengers, like Kingo is Iron Man
that you could have one of them

1230
01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:18,000
be, have other guys be Thor and
etcetera, etcetera.

1231
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:21,240
So I'm like, that actually is
kind of intriguing because they

1232
01:10:21,240 --> 01:10:23,920
remember in the movie they said
they didn't, they didn't

1233
01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:25,640
interfere.
They're like, well, we could

1234
01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:27,920
call The Avengers and they're
like, they laughed at it.

1235
01:10:28,360 --> 01:10:31,520
So maybe this time they actually
would like, well, let's just

1236
01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:32,840
take their place and save the
world.

1237
01:10:33,280 --> 01:10:39,120
So what if what if Kingo just
just bought Stark Industries?

1238
01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:43,520
Oh, what if he saved Stark in
the Middle East?

1239
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:44,560
He.
Already has a relationship with

1240
01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:45,760
Howard Stark.
Yeah.

1241
01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:49,640
Also there was the Wasp with
Miss Marvel powers.

1242
01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:52,320
Like with the with the power.
I was like, huh.

1243
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:56,240
Then there was Maestro with
Sorcerer's Supreme powers.

1244
01:10:56,840 --> 01:10:59,520
That shit's scary.
I don't know if I want to see

1245
01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:01,240
that.
My Maestro.

1246
01:11:01,240 --> 01:11:03,960
With Maestro.
My show's a smart is he's a

1247
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:05,800
older.
Version of he's he's a future

1248
01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:07,800
version of the whole Doctor
Bruce died.

1249
01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:10,560
OK, OK.
Yeah, I don't know.

1250
01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:12,400
I want that.
Then there was my one of my

1251
01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:14,240
personal favorites.
Howard Duck is a vampire.

1252
01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:16,000
Yes, I love that one.
Yeah.

1253
01:11:16,440 --> 01:11:18,040
I think I actually saw that as a
comic.

1254
01:11:18,080 --> 01:11:20,560
I'm not sure.
I can't remember I had.

1255
01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:25,440
Heard a rumor that we will see
some of those versions then

1256
01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:29,520
there was a reason that they
showed those versions of those

1257
01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:30,560
characters.
What?

1258
01:11:30,680 --> 01:11:33,680
Making Secret wars.
Maybe, Yeah, yeah.

1259
01:11:34,440 --> 01:11:39,000
Then there's Jubilee as Jubilee
in some she looks like Storm.

1260
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:42,080
She has like light for eyes,
like maybe it's an elevated

1261
01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:45,440
Jubilee.
Then there's another is Cap as a

1262
01:11:45,440 --> 01:11:47,240
zombie again, like when you see
that.

1263
01:11:47,240 --> 01:11:50,160
Wait, you skipped one the.
Yeah, I did.

1264
01:11:50,160 --> 01:11:52,640
I came.
With the duck, it was somebody,

1265
01:11:52,720 --> 01:11:57,800
some some kind of creature with
a bow and arrow.

1266
01:11:58,440 --> 01:12:00,400
It kind of look the kind of
looks like Beta Ray Bill.

1267
01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:05,760
I wouldn't know.
I don't freeze frame anymore so.

1268
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:10,480
You know what?
Yeah, but but shout to them for

1269
01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:14,920
for some reason, I think this is
them keeping the door open for

1270
01:12:14,920 --> 01:12:16,720
maybe changing their mind about
doing it.

1271
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:20,520
I mean, they are they are kind
of apartment to doing that

1272
01:12:20,520 --> 01:12:21,640
sometimes.
Like who's the?

1273
01:12:21,920 --> 01:12:26,240
Pirate the pirate and the the
chick was that was that that's

1274
01:12:26,240 --> 01:12:27,680
what.
I was trying to figure out

1275
01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:31,640
because in look.
Does it look like Medusa?

1276
01:12:32,880 --> 01:12:33,720
But are they?
Are they?

1277
01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:36,760
Dancing.
The ones that are dancing at the

1278
01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:38,840
end.
Yeah, they like pirates.

1279
01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:42,960
And no, not pirates.
One of them looks like he's in a

1280
01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:47,520
tuxedo and the the female almost
looks like Cersei from the

1281
01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:50,080
Eternals.
Yeah, it was weird.

1282
01:12:50,640 --> 01:12:52,080
So maybe it's Cersei?
And what's his name?

1283
01:12:52,640 --> 01:12:56,360
It is not Icarus it.
Could be a Black Knight.

1284
01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:03,480
You know what it could be
because he he is dark haired,

1285
01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:07,640
but it looks like, I don't know,
it looks like a version of

1286
01:13:07,680 --> 01:13:11,120
Howard Stark.
When when they brought up the

1287
01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:14,520
idea of the multiverse way back
when, because we've had this

1288
01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:18,200
conversation and we talked about
this back when they first

1289
01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:19,400
started.
And I was like, this is

1290
01:13:19,400 --> 01:13:23,240
literally their opportunity to
do whatever they want to do.

1291
01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:26,400
You know, they can bring Black
Panther back.

1292
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:30,040
They want to, they have ways,
they have reasons.

1293
01:13:30,040 --> 01:13:32,160
They, they, they have the
opportunity.

1294
01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:34,720
And I.
Saw they were looking at all.

1295
01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:37,280
Yeah, go ahead.
Well, I was going to say I'm,

1296
01:13:37,280 --> 01:13:40,480
I'm not going to fault them for
leaning into it because they

1297
01:13:40,480 --> 01:13:44,120
have invested so much into it.
I know a lot of people are kind

1298
01:13:44,120 --> 01:13:49,920
of tired of this multiverse
thing, but the, the MCU Marvel,

1299
01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:55,520
Disney, they, they have leaned
into it like they are all in on

1300
01:13:55,520 --> 01:13:58,800
the multiverse thing and they're
going to make it work whether we

1301
01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:02,960
want them to or not.
But I warned everyone way back

1302
01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:07,800
when that this was going to be a
problem that they introduced

1303
01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:11,280
this and it it was going to be
an issue and it's starting to be

1304
01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:13,440
an issue now.
They're going to have to figure

1305
01:14:13,440 --> 01:14:19,720
out a way to rein this in, you
know, and, and I don't want to

1306
01:14:19,720 --> 01:14:24,120
say I hate them for it, but
they, they had, if I could see

1307
01:14:24,120 --> 01:14:27,080
it coming, people smarter than
me who worked there should have

1308
01:14:27,080 --> 01:14:29,880
seen this coming.
That people are going to get

1309
01:14:29,880 --> 01:14:33,680
tired of it, that it was going
to be confusion and it was, it's

1310
01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:35,600
going to be weird.
And people are going to be like,

1311
01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:39,400
what are they doing?
And characters can come back and

1312
01:14:39,400 --> 01:14:42,840
characters can die.
It is, it's, it's a lot.

1313
01:14:43,120 --> 01:14:46,240
And then, and then when you
extend it to all your other

1314
01:14:46,240 --> 01:14:52,000
properties and, and the
ramifications of what if on this

1315
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:56,560
whole idea of a multiverse, it
is, is it's a lot.

1316
01:14:57,400 --> 01:14:58,560
Yeah, yeah, it's a lot.
It is.

1317
01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:02,960
It's just, it's just, I mean,
yeah, I think we were talking

1318
01:15:02,960 --> 01:15:05,840
about it.
I said that if they do this and

1319
01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:08,040
they do it wrong, it's going to
be a fucking disaster.

1320
01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:10,440
And are we even?
I know we're going to talk about

1321
01:15:10,440 --> 01:15:14,360
this later, but is is this
Captain America movie even in

1322
01:15:14,360 --> 01:15:16,680
the right universe?
We'll talk.

1323
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:17,840
We'll talk about that later
because.

1324
01:15:17,840 --> 01:15:22,720
There's normal is not America,
so is not what is not what you

1325
01:15:22,720 --> 01:15:25,600
call it.
We'll, we'll talk about it and

1326
01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:30,680
we'll talk about it in, in, in
detail, because there's a lot,

1327
01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:34,280
there's a lot to unpack with
that particular movie.

1328
01:15:34,280 --> 01:15:38,600
So yeah.
But my point is they, they've, I

1329
01:15:38,600 --> 01:15:41,440
think they have bitten off a
whole lot more than they can

1330
01:15:41,480 --> 01:15:42,560
treat.
Yeah.

1331
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:47,440
And this and, and hopefully they
use Secret Wars as a way to and

1332
01:15:47,440 --> 01:15:51,400
I think hopefully that's what
they're going to do as we just

1333
01:15:51,440 --> 01:15:55,240
reset and get rid of multiverse,
yeah, and kind of start over.

1334
01:15:57,360 --> 01:15:59,560
And they also they also have
mega Deadpool in here.

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I do think that it seems like it
almost looks like Howard Stark

1336
01:16:02,120 --> 01:16:05,120
dancing with Cersei.
OK, that's yeah, that's what it

1337
01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:09,360
looks like.
Then there's like Hera as a

1338
01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:14,880
child looks like, and then it's
like Quill with the five rings

1339
01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:18,480
or something.
And then it then it gets bright

1340
01:16:18,480 --> 01:16:20,800
and you can't really tell.
But it seems like, it does seem

1341
01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:23,640
seem to me like they're kind of
leaving the door open to maybe

1342
01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:27,760
revisiting some of this later.
I'm just glad you, I'm just glad

1343
01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:31,920
you didn't do that when they
were when the Eminence was

1344
01:16:31,920 --> 01:16:36,040
trying to get rid of all of the
verses of Captain Carter and

1345
01:16:36,040 --> 01:16:38,400
Cohorty, right.
Glad you didn't sit there and

1346
01:16:38,400 --> 01:16:41,640
try to freeze frame those guys.
You got a lot of.

1347
01:16:41,800 --> 01:16:45,840
Them ain't nobody got time for
that like that was a lot I mean

1348
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:49,080
I I saw I saw like primitive
versions I saw like medieval

1349
01:16:49,080 --> 01:16:51,520
versions or something it.
Was it was this armor,

1350
01:16:51,520 --> 01:16:54,840
incredible looking version of
Captain Carter that just looked

1351
01:16:54,840 --> 01:16:57,040
like she's probably going to
blow shit up.

1352
01:16:57,280 --> 01:17:00,440
She's she was huge and had all
this armor on.

1353
01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:02,080
Yeah.
Yeah, it.

1354
01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:03,240
Was crazy.
She looked scary.

1355
01:17:03,880 --> 01:17:08,520
Yeah, shout to Birdie having
among her powers of light up

1356
01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:11,440
wings and the jewel on her head
shooting laser beams.

1357
01:17:11,440 --> 01:17:15,600
She also has duck wrist, which
is a very low key and rare power

1358
01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:17,880
that she uses to play foosball
and beat cohorty.

1359
01:17:21,200 --> 01:17:24,960
But yeah, I thought this was
awesome, not just because of my

1360
01:17:24,960 --> 01:17:28,840
favorite niece, Birdie the Duck,
but I mean, I actually really

1361
01:17:28,840 --> 01:17:33,200
enjoyed all of this.
And if they decide to do it, I

1362
01:17:33,200 --> 01:17:35,440
hope they do a more cohesive job
with it.

1363
01:17:35,440 --> 01:17:37,640
And maybe they're just giving it
a rest for a minute.

1364
01:17:37,720 --> 01:17:40,640
This is fine.
Which is absolutely fine where

1365
01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:45,000
they can do something and be and
not have fatigue, where they

1366
01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:49,680
have to keep forcing episodes
out and maybe they'll maybe

1367
01:17:49,680 --> 01:17:51,960
they'll visit, maybe they won't.
But I enjoyed the ride for what

1368
01:17:51,960 --> 01:17:52,480
it was.
Well.

1369
01:17:53,640 --> 01:17:57,040
Unless that is it for our show.
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01:17:57,040 --> 01:18:01,360
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01:18:01,360 --> 01:18:03,040
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1372
01:18:03,400 --> 01:18:06,080
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1373
01:18:06,080 --> 01:18:08,680
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1374
01:18:08,680 --> 01:18:11,200
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1375
01:18:11,480 --> 01:18:13,200
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1376
01:18:13,200 --> 01:18:14,360
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