Stranger Things (Season 5 Volume 3 - SERIES FINALE) - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #392

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What's up, Hybrids? 
Welcome back to another episode

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of the Fandom Hybrid Podcast.
This is Hanako and I am here 

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with Anthony and Michele and we
are starting 2026 talking about

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Volume 3, the series finale of
Stranger Things.

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How are we feeling?
Are we OK?

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I'm great, I'm feeling good,
watched it twice.

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She's OK today I'm.
Good.

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And I am actually glad that like
we waited because even settling

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in still great.
Yeah, I mean, it's still, I

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mean, we're going to talk about
it, but no matter what, yes,

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there's some things that could
have been changed, but overall,

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like this was a great ending of
of the story.

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Yes, I agree.
I agree.

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So let's get into it.
I'm going to start this off by

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saying that we all collectively
owe an apology to Kali because

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we were dead ass wrong.
And you know what?

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I'm glad we were wrong.
I'm.

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Yeah, right, I am too.
About.

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I mean not we were completely
wrong because she they still she

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really.
Owe her, OK.

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We thought she was going to
betray L We thought.

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You know.
She didn't.

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She did exactly what we thought
she would do.

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It just wasn't a betrayal.
Yeah.

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No.
And yeah, we, we owe her

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apology.
Hopper owes her apology.

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Like she was done wrong.
Yeah, she was wrong.

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She was because I mean, and, and
I guess the thing that really is

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interesting about it and the
thing I think that that that

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they did so well with her
character in that is that if you

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go back and you you watch it and
you listen to what she's saying

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to Ellen.
I think we even said this when

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we discussed volume to
everything that she said was

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absolutely correct.
She wasn't lying in what she

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said.
And I think I even got to a

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point where I was like, I feel
like she really does want what's

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best for everyone.
And that would be for the

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program to completely end.
I think the interesting thing is

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that the way that they wrote her
character or not even the way

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that they wrote her character,
they wrote her character to be

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to be what she what she actually
end up ended up mean.

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But I think the thing for us is
that we are so used to anybody

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from that part of Elle's world
not telling the truth.

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We're used to them betraying
her.

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We're used to them manipulating
her and all the things that

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Hopper said when he was talking
to her.

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And I think that's probably
where we where we got it wrong.

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We were looking at Kylie, the
fact that they brought her in so

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late and just basically her
saying, yeah, in order for this

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to end, we got to do away with
ourselves.

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We automatically looked at that
as suspicious because we're not

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used to trusting anybody from
that part of Elle's.

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World.
And I think I, I think they

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played it off beautifully.
Yeah.

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But in the end, she really was
sincere.

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Like hey.
We have to do this in order for

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this to stop.
And we see by what happens

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towards the end of the episode.
She was absolutely right.

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She was absolutely right.
And, and, and, and that was all

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because of the speech.
I believe that was because of

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the speech that Hopper gave Ale
What was what was because of the

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speech Her her well, really she
wanted them to die.

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OK, we all OK.
So first of all, we have to

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agree on the end for us to speak
in the present.

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So we agree at the end the L got
away.

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We are in agreement, I believe,
yes.

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I believe I.
Believe you believe.

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You.
Have to say, say I believe, I

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believe, I believe.
OK, so now going back to that.

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So really cock, she wanted to,
she really wanted both of them

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to die in the Upside Down.
But a hearing Hopper's speech,

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which is a fantastic speech,
it's a speech for everyone.

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Just if you just listen to that
speech, you realize, OK, well,

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you know what, she has had a
horrible life.

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I mean, I had a horrible life
too, but I was able to go out

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there and make some friends and
then got kidnapped again.

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I don't want to deal with
anything else, but she deserves

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more.
Yeah.

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So.
Well she really is just a

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walking bundle of of trauma now.
Like.

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Right, that's what she said.
Like I'm staying here.

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But you know what?
Elle kind of deserves more.

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So I'm going to help her to die,
but not to die.

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Yeah, I think also the thing
with Hopper's speech too, if

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you're looking at it from maybe
college point of view, I think

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she probably also mistrusted
Hopper because, again, this is

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somebody she doesn't know.
She's not very familiar with the

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people who are in Elle's life
now.

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And I think part of her, which
part of her was correct?

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Part of her was looking at it
like Hopper was being selfish.

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Oh, you just want to keep her
here for you, which in a way he

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did.
But I think her listening to

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that speech and seeing how how
sincere he was, she was like,

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oh, he really does care about
her.

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He really does want her to have
the things that she never had

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before.
And I think maybe that touched

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her because she didn't really
have anybody like that in her

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life, you know, And when it got
to a point where she was like,

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OK, we can probably make this
work.

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I can put we can probably do
this.

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I absolutely believe, you know,
Mike's theory about what

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happened to Elle because of, you
know, some of the clues that

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we'll get and we'll talk about
later on.

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But also, I, I really just think
Elle believed that she deserved

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that life, but she also knew
that if she stayed with her

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friends or even if her and Mike
went somewhere together, they

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would never have peace.
Kay would never let them be at

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peace.
I mean, even now Kay and all of

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the other military saw quote UN
quote saw L die, I betcha she

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still is keeping tabs on the
rest of them just in case that

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wasn't the case.
So in order for them to have a

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peaceful life, Ella had to
completely disappear.

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So yeah.
Because you got to think like

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Harper would have been like
trying to run with her to the

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keep her and Mike safe, which
means he wouldn't have been with

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Joyce.
Cause Joyce is not going to

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leave her son's like like nobody
can move forward.

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Hate to say that with her being
around or not being around or in

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hiding.
So they will all be trying to

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either get to her, be with her,
fire, her protection, if they

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even thought that she was alive.
Like even with Mike, like I, I

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wouldn't say even now, given
that Mike has that theory, you

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know, Mike is about to research
every part of the Earth that's

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got that's got waterfalls.
That's where he's going on

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vacation just to see, you know,
I, I kind of see him doing that,

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but at the same time, I feel
like maybe he wouldn't do that

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because I think he knows if he
sees L, he's not going to be

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able to just let her go.
Right.

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And he has to move forward.
Yeah.

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Which I want to say this again,
his future wife.

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I'm sorry.
I'm just sorry.

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Like, how can you when they were
playing Purple Rain and then

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they are, you know, talking
about you.

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You see me, you know the real
me.

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I'm like, OK, no woman is ever
going to compare to her when he

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broke.
Down and said please don't

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leave.
Leave me.

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Right.
That's all Like this, this right

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here.
This this will not work.

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You know, this is going to be
looking at you like Mike.

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Why are you looking at me like
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It's mine's thinking.
She's no eleven.

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No, she's maybe just a nine.
I'm sorry you had 11.

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Yeah, but OK, so Kylie, we
apologize.

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We were wrong in the end.
You did you.

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You did right.
So where do we want to start

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with this finale?
There's so many out.

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I don't know.
I don't know where I want to

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start.
Where do you want to start?

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Oh, we need to start from the
beat from the beginning.

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Let's start with the well.
First of all, shout out to Mr.

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Clark for giving us Lord of the
Ring reference.

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I really appreciate that.
Yeah, 'cause, 'cause I think, I

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think both of us, that was in,
that was in the last episode of

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Volume 2.
I think we all missed it.

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Yeah.
And then I saw somebody

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mentioned I was like, wait, is
that what he said?

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So yes.
Saddled him for that.

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Well, their their plan was
pretty good.

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The one thing, though, was
lining up the rift with the

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tower.
That's something they don't have

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control over.
I don't think they thought

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really.
I don't think they really

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thought it thought about it
until they were there.

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Yeah.
They just thought it would, just

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assumed.
It would line up or they thought

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it was already lined up.
Yeah, or maybe they thought the

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rift was a little bit larger
than it was.

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Yeah.
And then it would just go

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straight through.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
So yeah, and other than that,

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the the plan was was pretty spot
on.

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It was pretty spot on.
Shout out to the leader of the

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Wolfpack.
I don't can't remember his name

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but for him to go to the lab I
guess to assume they would show

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show up at the lab.
Acres.

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Lived to the acres.
Yeah, there was a there was a

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leap of logic there for him that
they would show up at the lab

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because he was there before they
found the plan in the basement,

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right.
Yes, he wasn't even with the

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plant in the basement.
He so he just, he was, he was

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like, yeah, I'm going to go here
and and just wait 'cause maybe

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they'll show up here.
Don't know why he figured they

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would, but hey, they were there
before.

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They just maybe assume they will
come back.

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I mean, it was logical.
They went through.

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So it's like where are they
going to go?

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Yeah, 'cause I you where they
were saying was a little bit

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closer so yeah, but even going
through the main entrance way,

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they're like, they had to go
somewhere.

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We're already down here, they're
not going to go back to the lab

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that we built.
Where else would they go The.

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Other thing that concerned me
why didn't why?

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I just thought about this why
didn't K build their secure

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facility where the maxi is?
Why did they build it so far off

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they had to drive to it?
I don't know.

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Maybe does that the the do you
understand where the mass?

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They had to go where there was
land 'cause they're already

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pre-existing buildings.
They could repurpose the

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buildings.
No, they had to build their own

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facility.
You saw what they were doing, so

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they built their own facility.
So they went to where there was

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land.
OK.

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Yeah, that's they.
I mean, they didn't have to

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really go where there was land
because they owned everything

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there.
But why am I going to then go

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down and Droid buildings?
They can't.

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Yeah, right.
It's easier to build on in a

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time period.
No, you know, land instead of

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tearing down buildings and then
building.

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We don't have time for that.
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I, I think possibly also just
to, I don't know, maybe to keep,

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I don't know, maybe they figure
if they were a little bit of

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distance from the entrance, they
might be safer, they might be

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more secure.
I I mean I don't.

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Know that was just that was just
the thought I had.

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Then you think closer to the
entrance is the the town, the

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the main the the main part.
So you will be tearing down

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blocks of buildings.
I don't even know if the tearing

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down part is is part of the
problem.

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The fact that you're keeping a
monster in your lab?

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You might want to keep that from
the main entrance just in case

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you lose control.
Of it, right?

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And then it's not easy to get
to.

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Someone just goes through and
then, right, there's your lab.

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You destroyed the RadioShack and
there's your lab.

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No, you clear and you got to
clear.

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Then you have to get it.
Where's the vantage point?

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Like she said, Well, if there's
a scape or someone's trying to

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get in that they can see from
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So they picked the right piece
of land to do it, which really

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they shouldn't have even done
it.

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And upside down.
But you know, you don't even

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really know what's in there.
But that's a whole.

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Yeah, that's a whole other
conversation.

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That's called.
Arrogance, but whatever.

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Yeah, we and we said that last
volume.

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Hubris.
Yeah.

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But the plan was pretty solid.
Yeah.

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So shout out to Steve.
Listen, Steve came through and

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let me tell you, I know that we
were talking about the

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possibility of characters dying
and stuff.

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And I will say this, the fact
that no characters died, I'm

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actually good with it.
I, you know, I think and we've

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had this conversation and I've
also seen this discourse online.

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I think shows like Game of
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reason to expect a lot of huge
deaths in order to move the

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story for it.
But I think, Anthony, you said

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something very interesting when
we went to go see the movie in

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the theater on Wednesday.
We had this discussion in the

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car and you were like, before
Game of Thrones, name a show

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where they were just killing off
characters left and right, you

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know, as far as moving the story
forward.

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And we were really sitting there
racking our brains trying to

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think of like, what shows killed
a whole bunch of main characters

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and we can't really think of
any.

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So it was like.
Wow keeps being lost.

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It's what it is.
Lost Battlestar Galactica.

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Well, Battlestar Galactica is
kind of characters, yes.

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I mean, I rewatched it.
So to me it didn't.

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It was, you know, that was main
characters.

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But that's neither here nor
there.

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Yes, yeah.
Well, The thing is, main carry

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to death or carry to death don't
really equal emotional death.

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In the TV show, you can do
emotional death without death,

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without, I'm just saying,
without killing.

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I'm just saying in general, I'm
not talking to you, I'm talking

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to the audience.
But.

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How they are mansplaining to the
audience.

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You don't emotional death is not
equal character death.

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You don't have to do it.
And it's just, and I know we all

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have this, the, the online
discourse was about, oh, they

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had really someone put up all
the people that have died on the

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show.
OK, no, they weren't really main

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cast, but they were cast
members, you know, Bob and and

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all the kids that died last in
was that volume four?

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Yeah, season 4, season 4 that
died.

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There's all Eddie died.
So it wasn't like they weren't

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killing people off.
We just knew that.

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Like I said, I I decided, I
figured they weren't going to

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kill any of the main cast.
They weren't going to kill

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anybody other than Kali.
And I think, and I think that

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they kind of made that kind of
obvious.

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And also the other thing about,
you know, the Duffer brothers

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following different types of
things.

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And if they're following a lot
of the fantasy stuff that

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happens in fantasy that your
main characters, once they

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complete the task, they get
their happy ending, they get

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their reward, if that even
happens when you play Dungeons

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and Dragons, if you defeat the
fan, you get, you know, your

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bucket of gold or you or.
Even eighties, 80s, coming of

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age movies, yeah, at the end
they.

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Got this.
Is what happened.

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Honestly this happened is has
nothing to do with Game of

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Thrones.
This is literally what happened,

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and This is why social media
sometimes can be quite horrible.

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They told us from the beginning,
like we should be able to follow

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along and kind of know what
happens at the end.

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They basically said this.
They show that they don't do

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stuff to their main characters,
but somehow we have people that

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put out there, they say it five
major deaths.

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So then people like, Oh my God,
who's gonna die?

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Please don't let it be Steve.
And then we start breaking it

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down.
Well, it has to be one of the

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kids and one of the the young
adults and and maybe two of the,

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you know, the senior citizens.
However, we get into a 10 call

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them senior citizens.
They are probably younger than

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us.
I know, but but we got into a

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tizzy.
Like I've seen many YouTube

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videos theorizing who could
define be who are the, you know,

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the death predictions.
Even one video guy was like

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nobody's death even makes sense
to the story to be honest.

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But we got to have a death
because they say it.

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They say it air quotes.
They said that someone's going

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to die.
They never said anything.

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Someone said they say it, the
duffel brothers say it.

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And then we all that start
spreading and they get into a

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tizzy and then people start
showing photos of if you don't

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really pay attention, it'll be
like dust and crying.

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Like the scene with the trailer
with dust and crying and stuff.

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And someone said, well, I heard
a leak where there's a scene of

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Steve in the coffin.
So then it just becomes a tizzy.

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This becomes in a tizzy.
So then the expectation is

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someone's gonna die.
So you even say Hanukkah when we

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watch Volume to you are holding
your breath, 'cause you're

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thinking.
Someone's going to die, right?

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I'm holding my breath.
Someone's going to die.

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But I wasn't holding my breath.
But I was OK with that.

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Anybody said online.
That was just my expectation.

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I was just kind of like, if you
think about it, they have this

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big bad character in Vecna.
We know the Mind Flayer was

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going to come into play somehow.
I didn't realize it was going to

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be what it actually was because
we've seen kind of.

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I guess you could say the
earlier versions of the Mind

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Flayer that we saw was like the
dumbed down version.

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So I'm thinking, OK, they got
the Mind Flayer, they got Vecla,

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they got the military after
them.

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I'm just thinking all of these
things coming after them,

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somebody's got to die.
That's right.

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That's kind of what I'm
thinking.

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Not because of any online
discourse, because I didn't pay

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attention to that, you know, but
that still subconsciously goes

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out into the atmosphere of
everyone talking about it, not

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necessarily you looking at.
Whether are you looking at

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YouTube, we just start to talk
about it because then I start

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talking now you start talking my
like, well, it makes sense

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because you have all these kids
who died.

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I'm not all the kids, but some
teenagers died.

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You know, they went a little bit
higher up with dying off some

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characters in season 4.
So everyone's psyche is like

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someone has to go.
We like we can't just have 11,

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which she honestly, she did die,
but not die.

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But in our psyche we're like,
this is going to happen.

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I just don't want to be Steve.
Not mine.

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I didn't think anybody was ever
going to die except Kylie.

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Forget it.
That's the reason, I think.

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But my, my, the Duffer brothers,
though, are wrong.

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For one thing, they're wrong for
having Steve fall and cutting

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the black.
They was wrong for that.

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They.
Have to make us worry.

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At least a little bit, right?
They want to say, you know what

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I'm trying to talk about, Steve
Dine, right?

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We'll get you something we got.
Something second I said that

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motherfuckers did it.
He actually did it, man.

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Nah, Nah, Nah.
Because the only other time they

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cut the black, all the other
times they cut the black was in

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scene changes.
Yeah, they cut the black.

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Right when he failed and it was
just kind of like.

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Yeah, Nah, Nah.
They're thinking this out.

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OK so I will say this, this has
nothing to do with the the

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actual episode.
So we went to go see this in the

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movie theater 8 O clock on
Wednesday night and I have to

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say I'm probably most
disappointed because I feel like

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the crowd that we saw this with
was so tame.

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They were.
It was only three people making

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noises.
No, like Anthony.

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Said that was me that no.
Me too.

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And then it and then it was
Lisa, so it and then it was like

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whatever.
Because like different little

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things that happened, like Max,
OK, I was so into the I was so

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into the episode, I completely
forgot the plan about Max

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piggybacking and 11th time.
So when she started moving and

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the water started coming, I was
sitting in the bed like, Oh my

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God, I thought so too.
I did too.

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I was like, she just got up.
She just woke up.

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I know the person who was
sitting in the seat next to me

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because I was in the row behind
you guys, but there was like an

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aisle in between us.
I know the person who was

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sitting next to me was like, if
this bitch don't stop.

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Because when I say I was
freaking out, I was doing all

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this stuff.
When Lucas was looking at Elle

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jumping towards the Mind Flayer,
he did this.

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Me and him did it at the same
time.

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I mean when Jonathan, I mean
when, when Steve fell and I

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squealed and I was like no, no,
no, no, no, no, no.

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When Jonathan caught him, I
cheered.

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I said yes, I started, I started
crying.

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I was like, why is nobody
reacting in this?

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And.
Over there, said Jonathan

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Ketchum.
Yes, he did.

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I said Jonathan Ketchum.
And then, and then, and then it

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was, it came on and Jonathan
called and I was like, yeah,

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because I'm like, that's the
only adult that can hold him.

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I I.
I believe, I know, I know that's

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how you feel guys feel they
retained.

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I believe everyone was just
intensely focused on the show.

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That's how I was.
I was intensely focused but

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should.
I overly.

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React to stuff anyway, like I,
I'm one of those people like

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when you go and you look online
at the like the Avenger end game

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scene where the, you know, the,
the whole Avengers Assemble

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thing.
I I was one of those people that

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was.
He was too.

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He was too.
I was one of the ones losing my

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mind when.
I've never seen that man joke

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when Rogers got the when Captain
Mark and put the yeah, he was

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done and they said a symbol.
Yeah, with black pants, with

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this episode, when Joyce was
cutting off Becna's hair, I was

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in my seat.
Like, yes, yes, yes.

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And I was like, is nobody else
excited about this?

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Like, because we talked about
who should be able to kill

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Becna.
We talked about 11, We talked

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about Will.
I didn't even think about Joyce

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and her ACT.
She's been holding an accent

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Season 1 or she's been having an
accent season one.

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I'm so glad she finally got
something to do with her regular

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coat on.
I was just like, this is perfect

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because she's like, she really
has suffered almost the most as

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far as Vecna goes because he
took her child, He took her

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almost stepchild because she she
raised 11 for a little bit while

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Hopper was gone.
She took Bob.

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Just all of this stuff that she
has gone through.

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I was like, this is perfect.
And nobody else was like parts

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where you expected people to
cheer.

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Nobody was cheering.
And I was like, I don't like

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this experience.
I don't I, I, I want to be with

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the hardcore nerves.
And the sad part is they were,

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and I, I agree with Anthony,
they were actually they were

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because this is the group that
was on that Epping phone when it

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was spiraling out of control
trying to get the tickets.

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This is the first time that they
sold tickets 8:00 and it was the

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only showing.
So everyone in that theater real

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was die hard fans.
Like they're die hard, but

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they're different.
Some people just held it in.

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So like I can understand that
like you so intensely involved

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in this, like.
You don't know.

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You're hissing, crying, you
don't know what is happening to

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yourself.
That's me.

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I need, I need, I need to, I
needed to be around those kind

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of fans like.
When you.

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You want that crowd.
You want the crowd the 1st.

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Crowd.
The hardcore people, they got

453
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:58,000
the tickets for the first and
only showing, they were all we

454
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,560
were all intense.
Those are the ones that usually

455
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,760
are the are the vocal ones,
though.

456
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:06,840
Not necessarily.
I mean, in my experience, the

457
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,240
the movies that I've gone to
where it's been it, it's it's

458
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,800
been like that.
So I was just, I was a little

459
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:17,560
disappointed because I wanted
the crowd that was vocal.

460
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:21,000
I wanted the crowd that cheered.
I wanted the crowd that, you

461
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,320
know, you, you can hear
everybody crying and sniffling.

462
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,840
I bet that was the experience I
was expecting and I didn't get

463
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:29,720
it and I was a little
disappointed about it.

464
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,520
I mean, I totally understand.
I I knew it, I'd see it half and

465
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,840
half because that's the same.
Thing and not many of you.

466
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,520
Right, that was involved because
like I clapped at the end and

467
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:45,240
nobody was clapping.
I was clapping, but that's and

468
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,240
then I was excited when I heard
Prince.

469
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:51,000
I said wait a second, I'm just.
It was you, Hanukkah and Lisa.

470
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,520
That was it.
It had to have been because Lisa

471
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,920
was like, I heard a couple of
people clapping at Anthony on on

472
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,440
a Facebook post and Anthony was
like, no, what you heard was

473
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,480
Hanukkah.
I was like, yes, it actually

474
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,760
was.
Because because we couldn't hold

475
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:05,200
it in.
See, that's the thing.

476
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:09,040
They were holding it in and then
they went went home and it was.

477
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:13,200
Like Boo Boo Boo.
But everyone shows their emotion

478
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:14,560
differently.
We're not going to do that.

479
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:16,600
We're not going to do that.
Do it.

480
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:20,160
Boo, Boo, Boo.
I'm not going to do that.

481
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:25,160
But oh, yeah, Steve was a that
was a close one because I was

482
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:26,880
like, what are we doing here?
What are you doing?

483
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,080
They keep panning to him.
I was like, what's happening?

484
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:31,480
Why?
Why we keep panning to Steve?

485
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:33,280
I get it.
It's coming down.

486
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:35,160
He telling people to get out the
way.

487
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:38,600
What's what's the problem here?
Yeah, you're going to have him

488
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,160
fall.
And that was like Steve Kim.

489
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:41,200
And he did.
Thank you.

490
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,080
Thank you, Jonathan.
I mean, thank you.

491
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,320
Thank you, Jonathan.
I know you don't lie, but I'm

492
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:49,640
glad you saved him.
I don't know, like, thank you.

493
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:51,680
I'm glad they made it clear they
don't like each other.

494
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,480
Now they do.
Well, that way that was then and

495
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,560
and this is not I right and.
The reason, he said.

496
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:02,080
The reason why yeah, yeah, yeah.
Competition.

497
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:07,560
Shout out to Holly for being the
mic eyes on me.

498
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:13,080
Try leading the kids after.
Oh, let's let's go back to Elle

499
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,760
and her her confrontation with
with hearing.

500
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:21,200
In the house, yes.
Yeah, the first confrontation,

501
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:27,560
he ain't too quick, is he?
Like I think he still got like

502
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:31,480
the mentality of a teenager
because what do you?

503
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:33,200
Mean.
Why do you think that?

504
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:44,120
Well, L comes in and kind of
tosses him, right?

505
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,160
And then he confronts her and
she's still there.

506
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:52,440
Like why wouldn't she run?
Because a male.

507
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,200
Because.
Because she's really, Because

508
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:59,760
really, I think he knew she was
trying to kill them, I don't

509
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:01,440
think.
She didn't really try though,

510
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:06,360
Like she's really just stood
there and let him grab her.

511
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,280
Like it wasn't like in the fight
in the end when she came in and

512
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,280
went out at him, you mean?
The fact that he wasn't

513
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,720
suspicious of her.
Yeah, just the fact that he he

514
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,320
was even he's like, well, you
let yourself get caught.

515
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,200
Duh.
You know I.

516
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:24,560
Feel like that was a teenage
mindset or immature mindset or

517
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:26,800
more.
So again, this is serious.

518
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:33,040
This is him thinking, you know?
Oh, what what is like she got

519
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,240
the drop on me.
Oh, she couldn't have done that.

520
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,720
And you know, we always talk
about this.

521
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:39,840
I always joke about this.
You know, if you did, if you

522
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:43,840
watch the Incredibles, you know
what he says about bad guys and

523
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:49,240
their monologues.
I just, it's almost like he kept

524
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,760
her because he just had to make
his point, like, oh, yeah, you

525
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,040
think you're here, but I'm
better than you.

526
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,680
You let yourself get caught,
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

527
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:01,720
And I was like, he really
doesn't think that she is smart

528
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,640
enough to outsmart him.
And I really think that's what

529
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:06,320
it was.
It was a lot of pride.

530
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:10,680
It was a lot of hubris.
He was just basically like, I

531
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,160
got this.
Like, yeah, you tried to come in

532
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,560
here and do this and you tried
to do that and you didn't

533
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,520
succeed.
Yeah, and I'm disappointed.

534
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,720
I'm disappointed in Cali that
she just didn't stab him and had

535
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,120
to say.
OK, that's the thing.

536
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,040
You had to go in there and say,
hey brother, no, you should have

537
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,680
went in there, jumped on top of
him and and struck that night

538
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,080
down.
You could have told him hey

539
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,320
brother after the knife was in
his.

540
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,160
Chest, right?
She does.

541
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,440
She did.
She doesn't quite get it.

542
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,800
She don't quite get it.
She wasn't around.

543
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:45,600
She doesn't get it.
Yeah, I and I, I, I doesn't get

544
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,240
it out of it too.
Yeah, right.

545
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:52,000
Like she knows she knows that
he's a threat, but she hasn't

546
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:53,840
had to deal with him.
Experience.

547
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,320
That.
I really think she kind of

548
00:31:56,320 --> 00:32:02,280
underestimated what he was
capable of, you know, because

549
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:08,000
when she walked in and because
he looked shocked as hell when

550
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,400
she appeared.
Then she gets on the table.

551
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:14,680
Hi brother.
I was like, you just gave him a

552
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:19,480
second too long.
You gave him time to understand,

553
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:21,760
oh, this is what the situation
is.

554
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,200
Let me get the fuck out of here
and let me go mess them up.

555
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,600
And then you saw what happened.
He got to Hopper.

556
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:33,520
When I, when I thought Hopper
actually shot Li was in my seat

557
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:37,720
freaking out.
I was like, Oh my God, this is a

558
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:38,960
big thing.
This is a big thing.

559
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,760
When he pulled her out that tank
and nothing was wrong with her,

560
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:45,960
I was like, Oh yeah, I said, oh,
Ella's going to be pissed

561
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,880
because she told him.
I need you to promise me that no

562
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:54,000
matter what happens, you do not
pull me out until he is dead.

563
00:32:54,960 --> 00:33:00,200
Yeah, but I knew that was set up
as soon as as soon as he saw the

564
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:05,360
nerve gas, I was like, dude, you
are in a dream and you don't

565
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:11,200
even realize it.
I was like, oh, he's about to,

566
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,840
you know, 'cause we talk about
Vecna using everyone's fear.

567
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:20,160
I was like Hopper, because
Hopper was already in that

568
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:23,200
state.
He was scared of losing L Oh

569
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,200
yeah, you left the door wide
open for Henry to.

570
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,240
Hopper walks around in a
constant state of fear.

571
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:36,520
His his PTSD is just is bad.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

572
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,080
And I was going to say, you
know, one of the things that I

573
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:43,480
liked about him and Elle's
conversation on the roof of the

574
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:51,280
lab, it's like it was heartfelt.
But also I kind of, I feel like

575
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:58,960
Hopper, I know he loves L for L,
he loves her separately from the

576
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,480
way he loved his daughter.
But at the same time, he was

577
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:08,120
looking to use her to redeem
himself from the guilt that he

578
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,880
had for his daughter.
And I think if he hadn't have

579
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,320
been doing that, maybe there
might have been a different

580
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,920
outcome for him and L.
But it's like, I think once she

581
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:23,199
realized, and I don't know if
she knows the the fool, you

582
00:34:23,199 --> 00:34:26,239
know, the full extent of his
guilt where it comes to Sarah.

583
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,800
I know that she knows that Sarah
was his daughter and that she

584
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,920
died and that she was sick.
But I don't know if she knows

585
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,120
that he feels like he's
responsible for it.

586
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:40,040
But I know that she feels like
he's using me as a replacement

587
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:41,840
to her, kind of.
Separate.

588
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:43,560
Well, that was the at.
The same time.

589
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,560
That was the most powerful line
when she said I am not Sarah

590
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:48,440
she.
Was like, I didn't have a

591
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,239
choice.
Sarah didn't have a choice.

592
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:55,480
I do.
And I was just like, you know,

593
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,600
at that moment I was like,
Harper should have known she was

594
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:00,960
going to the decision she was
going to make.

595
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,360
I know he was hoping for
different, but as soon as she

596
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:08,040
said that line, I was like, she
not coming back.

597
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:12,880
So I was actually surprised to
see her still on the truck when

598
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,800
Doctor K and the rest of the
soldiers pulled them over.

599
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,440
I saw her jump off the truck and
then all of a sudden she

600
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,640
disappeared and I was like,
where did she go?

601
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,880
I know she was there.
So yeah.

602
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:32,480
But that I also feel like the
dynamic with her and Hopper in

603
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:37,040
this season was, I don't know,
some of the some of the things I

604
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:40,880
noticed with this season from
previous seasons is certain

605
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:42,600
dynamics with certain
characters.

606
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:46,960
They felt a little, I don't know
if I want to say off, but they

607
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,960
were very different from what
I'm used to seeing with them.

608
00:35:51,240 --> 00:35:55,120
You know, like with Hopper and
L, you always saw a lot of

609
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,720
affection with them, even when
they were mad at each other.

610
00:35:57,720 --> 00:36:01,800
You always saw the hugs, you saw
the tears, you saw, you know, a

611
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,440
little bit more of that and you
didn't really see that with them

612
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,520
in this season.
The same with Mike and Li.

613
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:11,520
Think I said, you know, Mike and
Li would admit previous seasons

614
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,560
they got on my nerves with all
little kissing and all this

615
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,040
other stuff.
But you didn't really see that

616
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,040
in this season.
Like you didn't even see them

617
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,800
kiss each other until the very
end.

618
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,600
The very final scene with them
together that was.

619
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,080
Just I think that was, I think
that was actually perfect.

620
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,840
I'm not, I'm not saying that is
there's something wrong with it.

621
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:34,640
It was just weird to me, you
know, because they seemed a

622
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:40,440
little more muted this season, I
guess is the word I want to use.

623
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,480
Well, then I think everyone was
to be with that.

624
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:49,200
But I mean, I, I, I get it.
That's not really what we need

625
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,920
to see.
But it did help with the builds

626
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:53,960
up at the end.
Yeah, yeah.

627
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,760
When everyone kissing at the
end, because then it was

628
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:58,080
everyone.
It wasn't just no.

629
00:36:58,240 --> 00:37:00,760
It wasn't even even Hopper and
Joyce.

630
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:02,920
Only person who was kissing was
Robin.

631
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:06,480
I mean only person who was
kissing is Robin.

632
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,280
But that's OK because their
relationship is new.

633
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,160
Everybody else been in a
relationship for a minute?

634
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:11,360
Who?
Who was kissing kids?

635
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:12,840
And Robin.
Robin and Vicki didn't even

636
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,480
kiss.
They didn't kiss.

637
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:20,000
No, they didn't.
When that we you said at the

638
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:21,200
end, I'm talking to, I'm
talking.

639
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,680
About.
Yeah, we saw that.

640
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:25,800
No, I'm just saying during the
I'm talking about during the

641
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,480
whole season, they were the only
one that kissed.

642
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:30,480
Yeah.
So everyone else had their

643
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,520
kissing at the end.
You got engaged and there's no

644
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:35,000
kiss.
That was just weird to me.

645
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:40,320
But yeah, I don't, I don't know.
It just some of the dynamics

646
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:44,520
just seem kind of, I don't know,
it's just strange.

647
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:53,440
But yeah.
Anyway, going back to Henry, I

648
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:59,680
have to say Jamie Campbell Bauer
needs to get an award because

649
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:05,880
his portrayal of all versions of
his character, especially in

650
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:11,240
this final episode, we're so
separate and distinct.

651
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:15,240
And, you know, we talked in the
last episode about whether or

652
00:38:15,240 --> 00:38:18,560
not he was going to regain his
humanity.

653
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:22,160
And I'm, I, I said it even then,
I don't want him to have a

654
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,240
redemption story.
I didn't want him to have a

655
00:38:24,240 --> 00:38:26,400
redemption art.
I just wanted to see what it

656
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:31,120
would be like for him to, you
know, connect with his humanity

657
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,120
again.
And we see that in this episode

658
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:37,920
when he finally sees that memory
that he's so scared of.

659
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:45,600
And it was so powerful watching
him realize what had happened to

660
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:50,080
him that the Mind Flayer kind of
kept from him this whole time.

661
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:55,560
But then for him to for him to
own it when Will is trying to

662
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:57,880
connect to him.
You were just a child.

663
00:38:57,880 --> 00:38:59,360
You didn't know what was going
to happen.

664
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,840
You have a you have a choice to
change it.

665
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:04,800
You can help us defeat the mind
Flayer.

666
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:08,640
You can let it stop controlling
you or for him to be like, it's

667
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,800
not controlling me, I'm not
controlling it.

668
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:14,960
We are we are one.
I was like, wow.

669
00:39:16,240 --> 00:39:21,240
So for him to actually be like,
I chose this, this is not

670
00:39:21,240 --> 00:39:24,360
something that was done to me.
This is something I chose.

671
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:28,080
And I would make, you know, I
would make the same choice

672
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,480
again.
This whole incident just showed

673
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:34,120
me how bad people are, how bad
humans are and how things need

674
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:39,200
to change.
I thought it was a brilliant way

675
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:45,400
to kind of solidify what that
character was like.

676
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,160
You, you got to see the
humanity.

677
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:52,440
But still he's bad.
Still, he's like.

678
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,200
Bad.
That's an understatement.

679
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:57,640
Yeah.
But you know, it's like.

680
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:02,280
The world, the the world is
broken and I'm going to team up

681
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:05,480
with this thing that's going to
consume everything.

682
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:07,760
Yeah.
That that's how I'm going to fix

683
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:12,360
the world, really do yeah.
That that's that's that's how

684
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:19,040
you see and you need to die.
Yeah, yeah.

685
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:22,800
But you know, one of the one of
the things we've also talked

686
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:27,800
about discussing other shows and
stuff is like nowadays they

687
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,960
always seem to make the bad guys
have a redemption art.

688
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:35,240
And sometimes it's warranty it,
it actually does further the

689
00:40:35,240 --> 00:40:37,040
story.
It makes the story better for

690
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:40,000
specific characters.
But not everybody bad has to

691
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,320
have a redemption art.
Not everyone bad has to have a,

692
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:46,960
you know, change of heart.
I'm so glad they didn't do that

693
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,880
with this character.
Well, well, usually at the

694
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:53,520
minimum they try to make you
have sympathy for the bad guy.

695
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:59,000
And I can see them.
It's almost like they were

696
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:04,120
pushing us to to be sympathetic,
like he was just a kid, this

697
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,760
stuff happened to him and the
last second was like.

698
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,640
No.
No sympathy for him.

699
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:12,880
Right, right.
Or no.

700
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:18,360
We just so used to.
Oh yes, I know what, you're

701
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:21,480
right.
My player is controlling me.

702
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:26,560
I don't like this.
No, we going back to you know,

703
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:30,040
I'm going back to the 80s.
No, I decided to do this.

704
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:32,000
This was my choice.
Yeah.

705
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,160
I'm good with my choices.
Yeah.

706
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,720
OK, well, find it.
Let's move on.

707
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,920
Yeah.
He was probably just upset like

708
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:41,880
you kept you kept this memory
for me.

709
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:47,640
Like I could have been using
this memory, this whole it

710
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:52,440
fueled my rage.
Yeah, but yeah, it it would be

711
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,480
easy to to sympathize with him
even now.

712
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:59,960
You could be like, well, he's
been brainwashed, but he's been

713
00:41:59,960 --> 00:42:03,320
brainwashed to the point where
he can't be brought back.

714
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:06,880
Yeah, but now he was like that
Amber it.

715
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,640
No, I could have resisted.
He chose not to.

716
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:14,640
Yep.
OK, so that's the choice you

717
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:20,400
made, Sir.
Right, like you, you liked this

718
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:25,160
power, you liked this feeling,
and you liked doing what you

719
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:26,600
thought was right.
Like, I can.

720
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:30,080
I can understand.
Yes, humans suck.

721
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:34,040
Yes.
You know, there could be a lot,

722
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,760
you know, humanity could be a
lot better.

723
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,600
I I don't disagree with that
part.

724
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:45,800
But your method, Sir.
Yeah, that could be a problem.

725
00:42:46,720 --> 00:42:50,800
And also, it's a reminder to
everyone out there, make sure

726
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:54,240
your kids aren't bullying other
kids in school because you never

727
00:42:54,240 --> 00:42:55,640
know what they're going to grow
up into.

728
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:59,760
You know, you just got to be
careful with that.

729
00:42:59,920 --> 00:43:07,160
Yeah, yeah, but also, if you
are, you know, hurt at the

730
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:11,400
bottom of a mine shaft and a
little kid who's a Boy Scout

731
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,240
comes to help you, don't shoot
the fucking kid.

732
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:18,120
How about let's not do that?
Let's not do that.

733
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:24,280
Because that one gunshot
probably changed the whole

734
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:28,680
trajectory of Henry's life.
Right.

735
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,400
Because he wouldn't have, he
wouldn't have opened the case.

736
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:35,120
I mean, he would have just got
you some help and then that was

737
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:38,240
it, right?
You could have just told him to

738
00:43:38,240 --> 00:43:41,600
go away, that you were hiding
from some whatever.

739
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:43,520
This little boy is just trying
to help you.

740
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,560
Who's a Boy Scout?
I mean, that's what he's

741
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:48,760
supposed to do.
Right.

742
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:54,000
Yeah, but also you might not
need to be doing something that

743
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,520
has you scared of a 11 year old
boy.

744
00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:00,760
How about that?
How about don't be doing

745
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:04,040
something that's so dangerous or
so whatever.

746
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:07,040
Oh, they sent you.
I was going to send a 11 year

747
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:10,640
old boy after you.
Like, really?

748
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,040
Yeah, I want to go.
I I want to go back to Holly

749
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:19,600
now.
So yeah, Holly, Holly after Ill

750
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:25,880
and Max and Holly disappears,
Holly takes over.

751
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:29,080
He's like, we're going to stick
to the plan, get to The Cave,

752
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:33,160
which that didn't really work
out too well.

753
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:37,120
But you know, when she got down
into the mine shaft, she was

754
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:41,000
like, oh, eyes on me.
And I was like, oh, well, I was

755
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:47,200
doing the Leonardo DiCaprio mean
MM, I'm sorry, Mike leaving the

756
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:49,400
kids eyes on me, eyes on me.
She was on the same.

757
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,560
I thought that was kind of cool
and she wasn't there, so.

758
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,360
OK, so I have I have random
thoughts.

759
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:59,600
OK, here we go.
One PSA everyone, when you are

760
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:04,200
in the dream world, you are not
like you are in the physical

761
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:07,400
world.
You are stronger, you are

762
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:15,360
lighter, you are healthier.
OK, all right, that's that's all

763
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:17,920
the PSAI have on that one.
Second of all, can.

764
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:20,400
Can you give the people some
context?

765
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:24,080
I I can probably tell her,
'cause let, let, let me guess,

766
00:45:24,720 --> 00:45:28,040
the people who are trying to
figure out how Derek got through

767
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:31,360
the hole is that, Oh, no, I
wasn't even talking about that

768
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:34,480
part, No.
I'm talking about him out of

769
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:36,360
Brooke and Rudy.
Dude, you got this.

770
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,960
This ain't real, real life.
You struggle.

771
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:41,840
I'm not with you.
With that struggle.

772
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,640
I'll be with you.
But now, honey, you are a

773
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:47,880
Superman.
You can run as fast as you want

774
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:49,920
to run.
You just have to believe in

775
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:51,600
yourself.
I told Michelle.

776
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:53,960
I told Michelle.
It made me think of the The

777
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:57,200
Matrix when Murphy is telling me
you have to be.

778
00:45:57,240 --> 00:45:58,960
You really think that's air
you're breathing?

779
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:02,720
Yeah.
But honestly, we don't know if

780
00:46:02,720 --> 00:46:06,320
he made it through.
Right.

781
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:08,480
Yeah, because they got pulled
out.

782
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,240
They could got pulled out before
he was squeezing through the

783
00:46:11,240 --> 00:46:13,880
rocks.
But I've seen a lot of people

784
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:15,520
talking about that and I was
just like.

785
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:17,560
Because you don't know he's
going to want to be.

786
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:19,160
He's going to be last with
Holly.

787
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:23,080
We don't know the time period.
So honestly, half of them, it's

788
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:25,360
12.
Everyone, it is 12.

789
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:29,440
So half of them could have made
it and the other half still in

790
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,560
The Cave when the when they got
pulled out.

791
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:36,160
We don't know.
So let's not just assume that he

792
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,400
couldn't squeeze or maybe he did
and he tried and he couldn't.

793
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:41,520
We don't know.
All I got to say is Derek, you

794
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:43,320
can run.
You got this.

795
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:46,160
You weren't tired.
Just in your mind, you thought

796
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:47,520
you were tired, but you weren't
tired.

797
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:53,080
That's 12 I don't care what
world we in my friends are my

798
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:56,880
friends and I don't trust
Holly's friends right now so

799
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,160
they they need to repair this
relationship.

800
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:03,200
That's all I got to say.
Don't hug me in The Cave when

801
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:06,240
you your ass just.
Put me down the space, but

802
00:47:06,240 --> 00:47:06,680
that's.
Why?

803
00:47:07,240 --> 00:47:09,600
That's me being pet.
They were.

804
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:12,880
Brain.
I don't care.

805
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,560
They were brainwashed.
I don't care, I want to save

806
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:17,520
them.
Once Max, they don't have to hug

807
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:20,720
me, told them hey, I'm not the
monster, I can prove it.

808
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:24,360
Once you see with your own eyes
that you have literally been

809
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,960
sucking up to the monster, yeah,
that's going to change your mind

810
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:32,840
real quick.
I mean they were brainwashed and

811
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,960
their.
Children they were OK so I no, I

812
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:40,640
understand but you can I can
understand and still be a slight

813
00:47:40,720 --> 00:47:45,440
teddy on the side.
It's time to repair this

814
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:48,760
relationship.
I get that you were brainwashed

815
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:51,040
but sometimes like.
Sometimes.

816
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:54,200
Like alcohol, what you did in
Brainwashed, maybe how you feel

817
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:56,120
deep.
Inside they caught it.

818
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:58,680
Even Steven Holly hit that did.
You see how that boy?

819
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:01,640
Ain't that in the face?
But you see how that other boy

820
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:03,880
is in that the in the basement
at the end?

821
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:05,800
Oh no.
Absolutely not.

822
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,040
That's.
What I'm talking about, Thomas

823
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:10,840
was the main 1, so I have to
take my time.

824
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:14,720
Derek saved me, he helped me, he
believed in me.

825
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:17,840
So he going to be my friend, my
BFF.

826
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:22,200
But the other girls, they just
going to have to make some pie

827
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:24,160
or something that's not drugs.
That's all I'm saying.

828
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:25,400
They're going to have to make
this up.

829
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:29,560
So I find it funny talking about
these friends.

830
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,320
I find it funny.
That old girl, I can't think of

831
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:34,920
what her name was.
She was the one who was talking

832
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:36,360
about.
I've been best friends with her

833
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:38,720
since kindergarten.
Debbie is her second best

834
00:48:38,720 --> 00:48:40,480
friend.
But if you notice, highly

835
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:44,640
gravitated towards Debbie Moore,
like when when she was trying to

836
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:48,280
help them escape, she was
Debbie, come here, Debbie, grab

837
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:50,240
my head.
Like she really was around

838
00:48:50,240 --> 00:48:52,320
Debbie Moore.
So I I thought that was funny.

839
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:56,200
But yeah, they, they washed.
They were.

840
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:58,800
I'm sorry I got to go also back
to the beginning.

841
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:03,480
There's just little points.
One I truly enjoy When Miss

842
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:08,520
Doctor K came to the news
station and then they saw the

843
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:11,040
plan.
I love a good plan display.

844
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:15,160
Just in the future, do not keep
your plans displayed.

845
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:17,640
She.
She made me freeze frame.

846
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:21,240
Yeah.
Freeze framing, yeah.

847
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,000
And and it was exactly what
everyone is doing.

848
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:27,360
Don't do that, you know, You
know, just just in case.

849
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:29,680
Yeah, don't leave your homework
out as the guy said.

850
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:32,200
He was like, Oh yeah.
You know, you know, you know,

851
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:35,680
Wagner take over Vicki.
He could just see the whole

852
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:37,280
plan.
But that's neither here nor

853
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:38,600
there.
But I love that the plan was

854
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:40,960
really written out with some
arrows of who got to do what.

855
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:42,960
And then when you get here, you
got to do this right here.

856
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:46,360
That was great.
Second of all, Joyce, everyone

857
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:51,040
went and changed clothes for
Battle and you kept on that

858
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:54,640
sweater from Season 1.
But that's her lucky sweater,

859
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:56,520
Jackie.
She was prioritized.

860
00:49:56,520 --> 00:50:00,160
She was like, look, I don't give
a damn what clothes I die in or

861
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:02,600
what clothes I fight in.
I did she.

862
00:50:02,720 --> 00:50:07,600
Put no battle gear she she has
on the kids and the jacket from

863
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:10,440
season 1 and the.
Axe, that's all that.

864
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:13,640
Which I don't really know how to
use but I'm going to bring it.

865
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:16,920
For backup, you know what she
had the axe.

866
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:21,000
That's all that was important
and she did what she was

867
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:24,480
supposed to do in the end.
So you know what let her wear

868
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:26,240
her let her wear what she want
to wear.

869
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:29,160
Joyce was like, I'm not about to
mess up my good clothes.

870
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:32,000
These clothes I've had for some
years, they.

871
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:35,640
Well, they went and put on the
gear that Murray brought, but

872
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:39,240
she wasn't entertaining that.
It's just funny when they are

873
00:50:39,240 --> 00:50:42,600
walking in a military gear and
she got on the jacket from

874
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:44,120
season 1.
What?

875
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:48,360
I wonder if Joyce was even
supposed to go or if she just

876
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:51,360
decided at the last minute to go
because Will was going.

877
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:54,160
She was like, you know what?
Yeah, she was his backup.

878
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:57,640
She was his backup as he falls
to the ground in a a trance and

879
00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:00,640
everybody's fighting.
She can do.

880
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:02,640
She rather planning on going
into battle.

881
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:05,480
She was just there for Will.
OK, yeah, She just didn't want

882
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:06,640
to change because that's just
that mom.

883
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:10,200
Like I'm not changing.
I don't, I don't blame.

884
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:11,320
I die.
I die.

885
00:51:11,720 --> 00:51:13,520
Does it matter?
I'm even simple fatigued.

886
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:17,040
Right look as long as my as long
as my underwear don't have holes

887
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:20,360
in it and and and I.
Mean comfortable, I'm

888
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:22,480
comfortable.
I'm trying to figure out why

889
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:23,960
this one has on the ghillie
suit.

890
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:26,840
Like he's going to be crawling
through the brush like a sniper.

891
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:29,600
Because you got to think about
it, they don't know.

892
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:31,600
They don't know what the abyss
is like.

893
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:35,560
So even just prepare.
No, they they had.

894
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:38,160
OK, let's try this.
Let's try this.

895
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:41,440
The clothes were thrown out on
the ground.

896
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:45,120
He had to pick something.
And then when you start looking

897
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:48,120
at what was leftover, you pick
something that fits.

898
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:51,680
OK, He's short.
I mean, that'll be me.

899
00:51:51,720 --> 00:51:53,960
I have a weird outfit on.
But that will be what was

900
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:58,080
leftover in the pile when we
didn't get to go to JC Penney.

901
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:00,280
So see us at the Mall at the
Star Court.

902
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,800
No.
And and Nancy looking like

903
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:08,400
Rambo.
You know what we don't?

904
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:13,560
Care because Nancy.
Nancy got the MVP, right?

905
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:18,440
And she gets the MVP.
Because Nancy was doing it all.

906
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:21,880
Right.
And even as bait, she was going

907
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:25,400
to keep shooting to the bitter
end until she got eaten.

908
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:29,320
Because I was, I was so worried
about her when when she got

909
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:31,280
cornered in that little cavern.
So.

910
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:35,440
She had nowhere else to go.
Thankfully, Jonathan came

911
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:37,760
through with that flamethrower.
I mean, with the.

912
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:42,880
Yeah, with the Because who?
She had me worried.

913
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:46,080
Yeah, and Lucas is a good
friend.

914
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:51,400
Lucas runs as fast as his his
fastest, his slowest friend.

915
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:53,680
Yeah.
Some of y'all going to get that

916
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:56,800
Lucas runs as fast as his
slowest friend.

917
00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:00,600
The others took off and you
don't see who behind you because

918
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:03,160
you got just in case your friend
falls.

919
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:06,880
Now, if Dustin didn't have a
friend who stayed in his range,

920
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:10,640
yeah.
He tried to rule out the way he

921
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:13,080
just put his hands up like.
That point he.

922
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:15,880
He probably didn't think he
could move that fast.

923
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:18,120
Yeah, I didn't think I would be
able to too.

924
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:22,560
I would be like, I can't, right?
I can't even gather myself but.

925
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:24,920
Thankfully, you have that
athletic friend.

926
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:28,000
That stays that.
But when I say it, I'm saying it

927
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:31,120
is a good thing.
As in, yes, Lucas probably can

928
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:35,880
run fast, faster, he's athletic.
However, he did stay where you

929
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:39,160
can still see everyone just in
case someone needs help.

930
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:45,600
So he also gets an MVP.
In the mind flare I know there

931
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:50,080
is some online discussions about
why it was organic and not

932
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:53,640
smoke.
That's where all the Demi

933
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:56,200
gorgons and Demi dogs and Demi
bats went.

934
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:03,760
It made itself a physical form
and only live faking the three

935
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:05,880
Demi dogs and three Demi
gorgons.

936
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:10,480
OK.
So that's that's it.

937
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:12,480
And that's why it looks all
nasty and stuff.

938
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:15,680
Yeah, because if you even go by
when when you go by the

939
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:20,960
beginning, when Henry first saw
him, he's even different.

940
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:25,720
So he has evolved over time.
And he tried the physical being

941
00:54:25,720 --> 00:54:29,520
part in Season 3.
It's disgusting.

942
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:33,520
Yeah, but that was.
Remote control.

943
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:34,960
Right.
So this time he's like, want to

944
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:41,280
try this so when we merge with
Hopkins, I can go out there and

945
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:44,480
do what I need to do because
he's made a gross.

946
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:47,160
Yeah, because he is.
He got teeth everywhere.

947
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:49,480
Not the big teeth inside.
He got little teeth on the

948
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:51,040
outside.
So you can tell.

949
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:53,560
And where did he get all this
organic material from?

950
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:58,040
Whatever was there.
Right.

951
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:00,800
You know.
I know as I'm saying, this all

952
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:05,680
became and that's disgusting.
Yeah, it is.

953
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:09,320
I'm looking at it now.
I'm looking at the the L fight

954
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:12,880
and Ellen Vechner fight on the
inside is happening in the

955
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:16,160
background.
It's just that thing is gross.

956
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:18,720
But that was the coolest
interest though.

957
00:55:18,720 --> 00:55:22,040
And she like, Oh my God, she's
going to go through his mouth.

958
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:24,040
No, I'm going to go through his
throat.

959
00:55:24,240 --> 00:55:28,600
Yeah, she was.
Like do a flip this up and take

960
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:32,160
Vechner down to the ground.
I love it in one full swoop,

961
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:36,560
it's perfect.
So shout out to the VFX team for

962
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:44,040
listen, this monster, this Kaiju
is this amazingly beautiful and

963
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:49,240
disgusting at the same time.
Yeah, and I was watching some

964
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:54,800
behind the scenes videos about
just what went into making this

965
00:55:54,800 --> 00:56:00,040
episode as far as the Canyon,
the Mind Flayer, just all of

966
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:05,120
this stuff.
So much of this is practical and

967
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:11,080
to see the the level of detail
that they put into this thing, I

968
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:14,280
was like, you know what, they
need to win the awards because

969
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:24,200
this thing is gross and
disgusting and just amazing to

970
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:26,560
see that kind of work.
Like I don't have that kind of

971
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:28,480
imagination.
I don't have that kind of

972
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:33,040
creativity, so to see them put
all that together and and and

973
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:34,360
to.
Do the things that they do.

974
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:38,400
It was amazing.
It was amazing.

975
00:56:40,720 --> 00:56:44,040
Side note, just to be completely
honest, completely honest, if

976
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:47,520
Ale had to do this by herself,
it wouldn't have happened.

977
00:56:47,720 --> 00:56:52,120
No, and and I'm glad.
I hate to say that no, no, but

978
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:54,960
it's he needed the help like he
is.

979
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:57,640
He can't he would overpower her
again.

980
00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:00,000
You know what I'm saying?
So and kill her so I'm.

981
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:05,560
And you realize, like the last
campaign that we're doing in the

982
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:09,760
D&D, the D&D thing was what
happened here.

983
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:13,840
Like they were really done, like
they were about to get killed

984
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:17,400
and she appears out of nowhere,
conceives them.

985
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:21,640
Yeah, yeah, I like that.
And then I thought it was kind

986
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:25,200
of cool.
I think that was one of the main

987
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:30,960
things that I loved about this
season as well, because again,

988
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:33,240
for so long everything has been
on Ale.

989
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:37,680
Like, yeah, the others have
helped her, but it's always been

990
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:42,840
about her and her powers.
And so for them to come in, go

991
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:46,360
into the abyss, go to where, you
know, they literally took the

992
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:49,760
fight to vetner instead of
waiting for him to come to them,

993
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:53,960
they took the fight to him on
his quote UN quote home turf.

994
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:58,960
They used guns, they used
flamethrowers.

995
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:02,560
You know, we were, we were, we
were laughing about the fact

996
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:06,080
that Nancy gave Mike a flare
gun, but that flare gun came in

997
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:09,760
handy.
You know, they all had equal

998
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:12,600
parts of doing this.
And then when Elle is sitting

999
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:17,520
there trying to kill him, Vecna,
and he almost gets her, then

1000
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:20,680
here comes Will.
Will is like, OK, look, we can I

1001
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:24,600
can finally come in.
I can take control of this and I

1002
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:28,680
can do my part.
It was it had to be all of them

1003
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:31,160
together.
And then it was Hopper and

1004
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:35,240
Murray in the outside that
everybody had to work together

1005
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:39,720
because.
If they didn't, if one piece was

1006
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:42,200
missing, this wouldn't have
worked.

1007
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:46,040
And that's why the mind flair
should have realized and Magnus

1008
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:50,000
should have realized that too
because that's season 3.

1009
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:52,360
Season 3.
They, they and I like that they

1010
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:55,200
knocked it out with no power.
So they all kind of work

1011
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:57,200
together in solving this
problem.

1012
00:58:57,200 --> 00:59:00,480
But Billy Oatmeal at the end
sacrificed himself.

1013
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:03,280
But they they did the same thing
to it.

1014
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:09,200
It is season 3 so you would
think, but again, arrogance,

1015
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:13,120
like they know how to work
together without her.

1016
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:16,200
And if when it's all with it's
with her, it's even more

1017
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:20,560
powerful so.
And other than her, like the

1018
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:24,520
other missing element in there
too, basically confrontations

1019
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:27,600
with Vickman and the monoflare
was Will.

1020
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:32,920
Will wasn't a part of any of it,
and this time he was.

1021
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:34,640
I thought that was a big deal.
Too.

1022
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:38,760
Oh yeah, that was because that
ultimately got Vegna at the end.

1023
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:44,960
Is Will being in there and and.
See, he he had never been other

1024
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:48,760
than the Demi Gorgons and, and,
and Demi docks.

1025
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:52,400
Well, the Demi Gorgons he's
never had a confrontation with

1026
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:56,840
Vegna or the Mind flare.
So.

1027
00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:58,520
So I thought it was kind of
cool.

1028
00:59:59,840 --> 01:00:03,200
Yeah, he did.
When he did that first time and

1029
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:06,320
realized.
What did I say with them,

1030
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:08,360
Gordon?
No, when he got victims, when he

1031
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:08,760
went.
No.

1032
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:10,360
Well, yeah, but I was just
saying like.

1033
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:12,440
He learned from that.
He learned from that.

1034
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:23,320
Yeah, so I just, yeah, I, I, I
loved Will being able to come in

1035
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:28,080
him, being able to connect and,
and be like, look, I I'm not

1036
01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:30,120
afraid of you anymore.
Matter of fact, we are not

1037
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:33,840
afraid of you anymore, you know,
because I think that was

1038
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:38,200
something Vecna really needed to
understand before he died.

1039
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:44,280
Like, yeah, you thought you had
us, but we're not afraid of you

1040
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:45,440
anymore.
And that's why we're about to

1041
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:48,120
whoop your hands.
You know.

1042
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:54,400
And then everybody like also the
amount of talking in this

1043
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:59,440
episode, like people were really
getting things off their chest

1044
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:03,960
because you go in with the best
plan, with the best intentions.

1045
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:08,640
None of them knew if they were
coming out of this, you know, so

1046
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:16,000
you've had the the conversations
prior to this particular episode

1047
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:18,000
and then you have the
conversations within this

1048
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:23,400
episode and you just get to
really see how much this group

1049
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:28,640
means to each other.
And I think that was also key.

1050
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:32,160
The fact that Jonathan and and
and Steve were kind of like, OK,

1051
01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:34,400
you know what?
We don't like each other, but we

1052
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:37,040
can be cool.
We can, we can have this

1053
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:40,560
discourse.
We can talk about, you know, our

1054
01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:43,560
quote UN quote issues or what's
not the issue anymore?

1055
01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:45,120
We can be.
We can be.

1056
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:48,800
Fool with each other the fact
that Robin every time when she

1057
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:54,280
when she left will when will was
telling them to go and then also

1058
01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:58,200
when Nancy was using herself as
bait the fact that she looked at

1059
01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:01,760
them like she was about to cry.
She put her hand over her heart.

1060
01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:06,640
I was like, oh, Robin is like,
these are my people now, you

1061
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:09,880
know, because Robin is one of
the newer people in there.

1062
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:15,160
The fact that everyone had their
confidence, everyone had their,

1063
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:18,680
you know, nobody was scared
going in this like they're

1064
01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:21,440
looking at this like, holy shit,
what is this monster?

1065
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:26,000
But OK, we need to do what we
need to do to get rid of this

1066
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:28,600
thing.
We going to go in, you know,

1067
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:31,200
both barrels.
We're going to go in with our

1068
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:34,360
sticks, we're going to go in
with our slingshot, our flare

1069
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:35,760
gun.
They just went in.

1070
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:37,240
They were like, OK, we can do
it.

1071
01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:40,040
I need to know how the hell they
got up on those cliffs that

1072
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:43,120
fast, though.
That is a good question because

1073
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:46,000
yeah, y'all did some climbing
there.

1074
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:48,640
Yeah, but it's only four people
had to climb.

1075
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:51,240
This is true.
This is true.

1076
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:53,560
And who can climb?
They they can climb.

1077
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:55,640
Yeah.
See, I was OK with the climb.

1078
01:02:56,560 --> 01:03:00,960
Yeah.
Now what I'm not OK with is hey

1079
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:06,760
we all we all the safety, the
kids coming down the tower.

1080
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:10,440
Y'all know how I feel about that
that tower getting 12 kids down

1081
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:12,680
the tower.
However, I I peeped it out

1082
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:16,920
earlier, the steps were small
steps so they were able.

1083
01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:20,320
I thought it was bigger reaches
when in volume 1 when they were

1084
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:24,080
racing up the top but the stairs
are you mean the?

1085
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:25,880
Ladder.
The ladder is a good, sorry, the

1086
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:28,840
stairs.
Sorry, ladder is a good distance

1087
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:34,120
for smaller children.
OK, well, I mean, they were just

1088
01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:38,280
kind of like, OK, you know what,
We've had to deal with all of

1089
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:39,400
this stuff.
You know what?

1090
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:42,760
I think a 500 foot ladder is
going to be the least of our

1091
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:44,240
problems.
They're like, yeah, you know

1092
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:45,920
what?
We're just going to take this

1093
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:48,000
easy.
What Holly probably told them,

1094
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:50,240
look, eyes on me.
Don't look down.

1095
01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:52,120
Eyes on me.
She probably went last.

1096
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:54,560
Eyes on me.
Just just.

1097
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:59,000
Just just make it everyone.
Oh, but you you talked about it

1098
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:03,640
early with Joyce and like you
were like, Oh my goodness, I was

1099
01:04:03,640 --> 01:04:08,360
so I was so like couldn't say
anything because one how they

1100
01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:12,000
edited out the different things
he has done to everyone.

1101
01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:18,280
And I was like, this is Violet.
I mean, it was good, but it was

1102
01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:24,280
like like I just was speechless.
And he was cutting his head off.

1103
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:26,120
Yeah, because he was.
Because he was.

1104
01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:30,040
First of all, he was over there.
Yeah.

1105
01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:34,120
And he was saying that what he
was actually trying to say in

1106
01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:38,520
that moment, that was like a
human moment for Henry Creel.

1107
01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:44,400
He was looking at Joyce trying
to say please don't, but yeah, I

1108
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:46,720
mean.
But it it was great.

1109
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:49,320
But I'm just saying how you can
get caught up in that scene and

1110
01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:54,240
not because of the flashes of
what he did.

1111
01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:58,240
And then you start remembering
and you're like, every hack was

1112
01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:01,040
like, yeah, for that person.
Yeah, for that person.

1113
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:03,840
Oh, my God, this is so violent
and I love it.

1114
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:04,880
So something's wrong with me.
I.

1115
01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:08,880
Mean but not, he deserved it.
Though I know I'm just saying

1116
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:11,920
but not he deserved it.
Yeah, Yep.

1117
01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:19,480
We got to talk about the fact
that they got not one but 2

1118
01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:26,120
Prince songs in this episode.
And it was so funny because I'm

1119
01:05:26,120 --> 01:05:30,600
sitting back there in my seat
when they started playing

1120
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:33,640
Windows cry.
I literally pointed at Michelle.

1121
01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:37,080
I said you, I don't, I know you
didn't hear me, but I was like,

1122
01:05:37,080 --> 01:05:40,520
you called it because we
literally was talking about the

1123
01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:43,400
fact that they said that they
got songs that had never been

1124
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:47,360
licensed for TV before.
And I think playfully one time

1125
01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:49,600
you were like, just give me some
prints and I'll be good.

1126
01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:53,280
And I was like, wow, they
actually got prints.

1127
01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:59,520
So those of us, Jen's DNA, we
were we were already geeking out

1128
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:02,240
when when doves cry, they're all
in the truck.

1129
01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:05,360
They're they're happy, you know,
they're, they're about to be,

1130
01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:11,080
you know, free.
And then K, you know, she she

1131
01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:14,880
puts out the, the little spikes
to deflate the tires and she

1132
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:17,560
comes out and she tries to
arrest them all or whatever.

1133
01:06:18,120 --> 01:06:22,200
And then when Elle pulls Mike
into her mind and they start

1134
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:26,120
playing purple rain.
I was, I was like, wait, we got

1135
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:30,080
windows cry and purple.
I was like, wait a minute.

1136
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:34,440
And then I thought about the
fact that somebody posted a

1137
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:40,360
couple of days before that like
the most expensive TV shows made

1138
01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:43,000
this year.
And I think Stranger Things 5

1139
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:46,800
cost $400 million.
I said 300 of that probably

1140
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:49,720
went.
To the Prince's state.

1141
01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:53,800
Shout out to them for for, you
know.

1142
01:06:55,120 --> 01:06:58,160
Thank you, thank you.
Because they don't license

1143
01:06:58,360 --> 01:07:02,080
Prince's songs for nothing.
Yeah, because he did not.

1144
01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:03,760
He didn't, of course, say he
didn't like.

1145
01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:08,440
That however.
Probably wouldn't have been OK

1146
01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:11,760
with this either.
I think he he, he probably would

1147
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:15,000
think he, he, he probably would
have that he would have for this

1148
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:17,360
because it's iconic.
So he will be OK.

1149
01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:20,600
He will be OK with that.
But what's what gives me is what

1150
01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:22,840
people say.
I thought it was a song that

1151
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:26,880
wasn't licensed for it that's
never been played on TV.

1152
01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:31,000
It has it's in purple rain.
And then someone said, oh,

1153
01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:34,160
Jesus.
And it was in the movie.

1154
01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:35,880
This is in the movie.
It's not a movie.

1155
01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:40,240
This is television.
It has not for anybody other

1156
01:07:40,240 --> 01:07:42,960
than the movie that it was in
for that artist.

1157
01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:45,440
That it was written for or.
Right.

1158
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:48,080
But it's just funny, someone
said it has been.

1159
01:07:48,120 --> 01:07:53,160
Oh my gosh, yeah.
I I have seen a couple of

1160
01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:58,200
comments and things that I've
looked at and I'm like.

1161
01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:02,400
Yeah, you.
Yeah, just.

1162
01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:06,520
But sometimes I'm like, oh,
maybe it's just, you know, you

1163
01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:08,800
know, trying to bait us in
because I'm like, I'm so

1164
01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:12,320
confused.
Yeah, I've been so OK, some

1165
01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:18,200
things like, and and I think
also to some people it, it could

1166
01:08:18,200 --> 01:08:21,319
be a generational thing because
I've I've also seen somewhere

1167
01:08:21,319 --> 01:08:24,120
where somebody was like, I don't
see what the big deal is about

1168
01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:26,319
these.
You don't get off my Internet if

1169
01:08:26,319 --> 01:08:29,399
you don't get off my timeline.
How the fuck did you get here?

1170
01:08:29,720 --> 01:08:32,960
But I mean, it could be a
generational thing as well,

1171
01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:36,760
because there are also some
people who are like, OK, Max was

1172
01:08:36,760 --> 01:08:39,600
in a coma for 18 months.
How did she graduate on time

1173
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:41,840
with the rest of them?
I'm like, you really mean to

1174
01:08:41,840 --> 01:08:45,240
tell me that this girl is
friends with the four biggest

1175
01:08:45,240 --> 01:08:48,040
nerds in the school and you
don't think that they helped her

1176
01:08:48,040 --> 01:08:54,479
get caught up and then and then
and then also this is the 80s.

1177
01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:57,560
They actually went to summer
school wasn't no credit

1178
01:08:57,560 --> 01:08:59,840
recovery.
You actually went to summer

1179
01:08:59,840 --> 01:09:03,120
school?
You were in summer school for 8

1180
01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:07,560
hours to to make up courses and
then.

1181
01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:11,439
And then even Lucas said in the
beginning when they were on top

1182
01:09:11,439 --> 01:09:14,800
of the school bus in season 2,
like you're, you know, you're,

1183
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:16,880
you're so smart, you're this and
that.

1184
01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:19,040
So she's smart.
I don't understand why people

1185
01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:21,200
think she's not smart.
I'm confused on that too,

1186
01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:22,200
because that's another thing
that's.

1187
01:09:22,279 --> 01:09:28,319
Wrong with C minus in physics
but but she got AC minus in

1188
01:09:28,319 --> 01:09:32,880
physics in the They had to have
been 8th grade because they were

1189
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:36,319
in 10th grade when all of this
took place, correct?

1190
01:09:36,319 --> 01:09:39,120
So that means she took it early.
Right.

1191
01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:39,840
All right.
OK.

1192
01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:40,960
I'm sorry.
Right.

1193
01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:46,160
So yes, Max Mayfield had there.
There was a very good

1194
01:09:46,160 --> 01:09:50,520
possibility that she did make up
her credits or she made-up her

1195
01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:52,520
grade and was able to graduate
on time.

1196
01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:55,000
And then probably make her do
the electives that we just have

1197
01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:59,320
to do.
And not only that, teachers in

1198
01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:02,880
the 80s, they probably helped
her like, oh, you've been in the

1199
01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:04,760
hospital, We're going to help
you.

1200
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:08,320
They probably tutored her.
They probably came out to tutor

1201
01:10:08,320 --> 01:10:09,280
her.
Or she came.

1202
01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:13,720
There was also there was also
during the time when we had you,

1203
01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:18,120
you either do college, college
prep or general high school

1204
01:10:18,120 --> 01:10:20,320
diploma.
And the general high school

1205
01:10:20,320 --> 01:10:23,000
diploma didn't require you to
have as many credits as a.

1206
01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:27,880
Yeah, that part too, right?
You think about it now, we go

1207
01:10:27,880 --> 01:10:31,240
through all the classes we took.
We could have been done our

1208
01:10:31,240 --> 01:10:34,840
junior year.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1209
01:10:36,240 --> 01:10:41,480
So I'm just saying some people
work, do work, study their

1210
01:10:41,480 --> 01:10:44,280
senior year.
So like she could have been, she

1211
01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:47,160
could have even been the head.
OK, let's try another thing.

1212
01:10:47,160 --> 01:10:48,840
She could have been the head
'cause she was coming from

1213
01:10:48,840 --> 01:10:50,560
California.
So it could have been a little

1214
01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:53,440
bit more advanced than this
school system could be.

1215
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:58,760
That's why she had physics.
Could be in the younger age so.

1216
01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:04,080
But we're just basically saying
that there was, it's, it's not

1217
01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:06,560
entirely implausible that she
graduated.

1218
01:11:06,680 --> 01:11:09,080
No, it's not.
It it really isn't.

1219
01:11:09,080 --> 01:11:10,920
You would think.
Lucas is not going to let her

1220
01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:17,040
graduate on time, that part.
And then on top of that, Dustin

1221
01:11:17,200 --> 01:11:22,200
will, Mike, it'll be like, Oh
no, come on, let's let's do

1222
01:11:22,200 --> 01:11:24,880
this.
Let's let's let's get this

1223
01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:26,680
study.
And then you think Nancy didn't

1224
01:11:26,680 --> 01:11:31,520
help like you help us break into
Vecna's mind?

1225
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:33,760
What do you need?
You need me to write a paper for

1226
01:11:33,760 --> 01:11:35,360
you?
It can happen.

1227
01:11:35,800 --> 01:11:38,600
It can happen.
Not that she would need that,

1228
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:41,440
but it can happen.
They're saying, like, really?

1229
01:11:42,440 --> 01:11:49,920
Right, OK, we got to talk about
the goodbye, Goodbye.

1230
01:11:51,200 --> 01:11:55,240
Goodbye.
Which one?

1231
01:11:55,240 --> 01:11:58,400
I feel like I was watching Lord
of the Rings with 20 different

1232
01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:00,360
endings.
We got to talk about.

1233
01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:04,360
OK, let's see.
Let's talk about L and Mike's

1234
01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:08,360
first.
Oh, before we do the L and Mike,

1235
01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:09,000
goodbye.
We.

1236
01:12:10,200 --> 01:12:16,280
Were watching it again and
transparency.

1237
01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:25,800
I've watched a few videos on how
L and Kylie pulled this off and

1238
01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:30,520
like I said, when I was watching
it and Kylie was laying on the

1239
01:12:30,520 --> 01:12:32,800
floor, I was like, yeah, she she
faking.

1240
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:34,120
She ain't dead.
She ain't dead.

1241
01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:35,920
She's going to help.
I'll do all this.

1242
01:12:36,200 --> 01:12:41,560
So in the end I was not
surprised how it how it looked

1243
01:12:42,040 --> 01:12:46,800
because first I was like first
of all, if to me it felt like

1244
01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:49,160
I'll just disappeared off the
truck when the truck got

1245
01:12:49,160 --> 01:12:51,680
stopped.
But y'all keep telling me you

1246
01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:54,120
see her and she's just.
You see her get off the truck?

1247
01:12:54,120 --> 01:12:55,520
Yeah.
You can you see her get off.

1248
01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:57,760
The truck, I don't, I've seen it
a few times.

1249
01:12:58,640 --> 01:13:01,400
I'm not freeze framing.
Yeah, I'm going to tell you I'm

1250
01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:04,400
not going to.
No, no and no without freeze

1251
01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:07,600
frame.
Second of all, all the stuff is

1252
01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:10,880
flying by and she's not affected
at all.

1253
01:13:11,800 --> 01:13:15,800
Why is she staying there at all
#3?

1254
01:13:15,960 --> 01:13:20,680
Her nose isn't bleeding and she
is communicating with Mike, so

1255
01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:24,320
that can't possibly be her real
physical form right there.

1256
01:13:24,520 --> 01:13:29,040
Yeah, it's to me.
And then the, I don't know, they

1257
01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:31,800
call it kryptonite, but I think
they call it the hedgehog.

1258
01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:36,240
Whatever that thing is, they had
like 8 of them around paying

1259
01:13:36,240 --> 01:13:39,680
there and she wouldn't have been
able to do anything anyway.

1260
01:13:39,880 --> 01:13:44,960
No, no.
So it just, it just seemed like

1261
01:13:45,080 --> 01:13:52,120
I just had a lot of questions
where that's not her, that's why

1262
01:13:52,120 --> 01:13:53,800
I don't that's her.
Jumping out the truck, that's

1263
01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:54,480
not her.
That's.

1264
01:13:54,600 --> 01:13:58,680
Not her actually.
Later later you see someone walk

1265
01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:00,800
by this time he had this head
turn.

1266
01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:03,960
Keep keep playing.
You'll see in the style of

1267
01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:06,280
soldier, you can't really tell
if it's.

1268
01:14:07,400 --> 01:14:10,560
If it's her or not.
If it's her or not, but either

1269
01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:12,600
way, she's not being affected by
the thing.

1270
01:14:13,880 --> 01:14:18,600
Yeah, so I and I know they say
they left it intentionally

1271
01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:23,880
vague, but it's too many things
against that.

1272
01:14:24,360 --> 01:14:26,600
Like you sure there wasn't Robin
that jumped down?

1273
01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:30,720
No, I mean.
No, because because Elle has on

1274
01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:32,880
the water suit.
People watching, right?

1275
01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:35,160
Right there.
Oh, that was a soldier.

1276
01:14:35,160 --> 01:14:36,160
Never mind.
Let's see.

1277
01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:36,640
That's why I.
Don't.

1278
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:38,600
Yeah.
So she did jump down.

1279
01:14:38,600 --> 01:14:40,760
She did.
And she did struggle.

1280
01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:42,920
And.
And when she was invisible, she

1281
01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:45,600
struggled to get into the
RadioShack.

1282
01:14:45,640 --> 01:14:46,360
Yeah.
Yeah.

1283
01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:49,800
Until she got underground and
then that's when she was able to

1284
01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:57,040
connect with NO with MM.
Yeah, Yeah.

1285
01:14:57,040 --> 01:14:58,920
Well.
She had to tell Callie she was

1286
01:14:58,920 --> 01:15:02,840
ready.
Well, yeah, that too, but it's

1287
01:15:02,840 --> 01:15:05,280
already there, yeah.
No, but she had to tell Callie

1288
01:15:05,280 --> 01:15:07,400
she was ready.
Yeah, 'cause Callie was on the

1289
01:15:07,400 --> 01:15:08,880
point about the die.
Yeah.

1290
01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:10,600
With Callie, it was Callie with
it.

1291
01:15:10,840 --> 01:15:13,600
She was holding it together.
Yeah, yeah.

1292
01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:16,960
And then also cause 'cause at
first I was looking at it like

1293
01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:21,240
the lab has already blown up, so
how is cap?

1294
01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:23,480
How is the projection of L still
there?

1295
01:15:23,480 --> 01:15:27,720
But I have to remember they're
slowing it down for us so that

1296
01:15:27,720 --> 01:15:29,680
we can see the damage that's
being done.

1297
01:15:29,680 --> 01:15:33,160
But that all literally probably
happened within like a few

1298
01:15:33,160 --> 01:15:37,920
seconds and.
And also watching it again, it

1299
01:15:37,920 --> 01:15:41,880
blew up the top of the lab.
It didn't blew up the whole lab.

1300
01:15:41,960 --> 01:15:45,520
And remember, the lab is in the
center of the wormhole.

1301
01:15:46,040 --> 01:15:49,960
So it's not going to be as
affected that fast as the outer

1302
01:15:49,960 --> 01:15:54,240
parts.
So it was the top of the lab and

1303
01:15:54,400 --> 01:15:58,840
Kylie was sort of near the they
were near the bottom floors.

1304
01:15:59,800 --> 01:16:02,880
So it's possible she could have
just not possible.

1305
01:16:03,280 --> 01:16:07,880
She was probably fine until the
whole wormhole collapse because

1306
01:16:07,880 --> 01:16:15,120
remember it was in the middle.
So anyway it's more evidence as

1307
01:16:15,120 --> 01:16:18,680
to that's what happened as
opposed to Elle just standing

1308
01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:21,600
there while all this crap is
flying by her and not being

1309
01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:25,720
affected and her nose not
bleeding which is the most

1310
01:16:25,720 --> 01:16:27,960
telling aspect of it.
And.

1311
01:16:28,240 --> 01:16:33,960
You know what, going back re
watching it tonight when right

1312
01:16:33,960 --> 01:16:39,720
after she kicks Mike out of the
out of her mind and they show

1313
01:16:39,720 --> 01:16:46,400
her, they make it a point right
before she disappears to show

1314
01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:48,960
her face.
And it's almost like she does

1315
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:52,160
her face like this, like she
raises it slightly

1316
01:16:52,440 --> 01:16:57,120
intentionally, and it's like to
say, look, there's no blood.

1317
01:16:58,640 --> 01:17:02,040
And I was like, OK, so they
basically right there was

1318
01:17:02,040 --> 01:17:04,760
telling us, yeah, y'all pay
close attention.

1319
01:17:05,280 --> 01:17:09,120
But of course, the first time I
watched it, I wasn't paying

1320
01:17:09,120 --> 01:17:12,320
attention to any of that.
I was just in my emotions

1321
01:17:12,320 --> 01:17:14,800
because I'm like, they're about
to kill ill.

1322
01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:16,680
Like she's about to sacrifice
herself.

1323
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:20,560
I'm.
I'm sitting in my seat like Boo

1324
01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:24,560
hooing because, like I said, I'm
already expecting that.

1325
01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:27,640
I I already expected L wasn't
going to make it out of this

1326
01:17:27,640 --> 01:17:29,880
episode.
I expected that with the last

1327
01:17:29,880 --> 01:17:35,240
volume.
So I was already dealing with

1328
01:17:35,240 --> 01:17:37,640
that.
And then Mike heard, you know,

1329
01:17:37,640 --> 01:17:40,080
trying to tell Mike you're,
you're going to help them

1330
01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:42,280
understand the stuff.
And Mike is like, no, because I

1331
01:17:42,280 --> 01:17:45,160
don't understand.
And his despair.

1332
01:17:45,160 --> 01:17:47,800
And then when he, when he did
that, please don't leave me.

1333
01:17:47,880 --> 01:17:49,880
I, I lost it.
I was done.

1334
01:17:49,920 --> 01:17:52,560
I was like, OK, you know what?
They're they're going to kill

1335
01:17:52,560 --> 01:17:54,520
her.
And it's heartbreaking.

1336
01:17:54,880 --> 01:17:59,840
And I wasn't paying attention to
any of that stuff until the

1337
01:17:59,840 --> 01:18:04,080
graduation when the speaker did
the feedback and he sat there,

1338
01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:08,520
he thought about it and they
showed the, the kryptonite

1339
01:18:08,520 --> 01:18:13,280
things.
And I was like, I was like, wait

1340
01:18:13,280 --> 01:18:15,400
a minute.
And then of course, you know, at

1341
01:18:15,400 --> 01:18:18,360
the end when they're doing the
DND and he starts explaining

1342
01:18:18,360 --> 01:18:21,640
what happens to all of their
their characters and he talks

1343
01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:25,680
about the mage.
I was like, OK, that's totally

1344
01:18:25,680 --> 01:18:30,120
plausible.
The only thing I think that

1345
01:18:30,120 --> 01:18:35,960
bothered me about that was how
would you know that Holly was

1346
01:18:35,960 --> 01:18:38,800
affected by the speech that
Hopper gave to 11?

1347
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:43,000
The only way I can think of is
that Hopper may have told Mike

1348
01:18:43,840 --> 01:18:46,560
this is what I told her and blah
blah blah.

1349
01:18:46,840 --> 01:18:48,640
Because other than that, how
would Mike know?

1350
01:18:50,520 --> 01:18:54,520
You know, he talks about how the
mage how the I forgot what you

1351
01:18:54,560 --> 01:19:01,800
word he used for Kali, but he
was saying she was he was moved

1352
01:19:01,800 --> 01:19:06,160
by the words of the paladin to
the mage and I was like, but how

1353
01:19:06,200 --> 01:19:07,880
would how would Mike how?
Would you know?

1354
01:19:08,080 --> 01:19:09,880
Yeah.
That's easy.

1355
01:19:10,280 --> 01:19:15,200
I'm saying, yeah, I'm saying
yeah, that's what people, That's

1356
01:19:15,200 --> 01:19:19,840
why that's another thing that we
are we we got to get a little

1357
01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:21,840
smarter with.
Like there are conversations

1358
01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:27,280
happening again outside of what
we see and they're the

1359
01:19:27,280 --> 01:19:31,000
conversations we do see.
We they're asking us to make

1360
01:19:31,000 --> 01:19:35,200
those connections and I've
learned in the last few weeks

1361
01:19:35,800 --> 01:19:41,320
since Thanksgiving that people
are not making the connections a

1362
01:19:41,320 --> 01:19:44,440
lot of with with that.
Yeah.

1363
01:19:45,720 --> 01:19:54,360
I also think, I think Hopper
knows or suspects that she

1364
01:19:54,360 --> 01:19:57,480
survived.
I feel like I feel like that

1365
01:19:57,480 --> 01:19:58,400
too.
Because.

1366
01:19:58,400 --> 01:20:00,800
He's yeah, but he's never.
Well, he ain't going to say

1367
01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:04,320
that, but he's well adjusted
for.

1368
01:20:04,320 --> 01:20:08,480
I know he knows that she made
her choice, but he would still

1369
01:20:08,480 --> 01:20:11,560
be devastated by it.
But he seems to be really OK

1370
01:20:11,560 --> 01:20:13,440
with it.
Especially watch him talk to

1371
01:20:13,440 --> 01:20:15,960
Mike about it.
He so yeah, L made her choice.

1372
01:20:16,200 --> 01:20:20,560
Because of the conversation that
they had when she was saying how

1373
01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:23,600
you're, you know, Sarah didn't
have a choice, I have a choice.

1374
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:26,840
You have to trust that I'm doing
the right thing and if he sits

1375
01:20:26,840 --> 01:20:29,880
and think about it, it would be
a better life than to be on the

1376
01:20:29,880 --> 01:20:32,880
run.
So she actually, I'm saying that

1377
01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:36,640
I'm going to miss her, but she
is doing the right thing and you

1378
01:20:36,640 --> 01:20:41,840
want your kid to be safe and
have a peaceful and happy life.

1379
01:20:42,360 --> 01:20:43,640
That's the only way for her to
have it.

1380
01:20:43,880 --> 01:20:46,440
And I think he knew when she
gave him back the bracelet.

1381
01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:51,720
I think he, I think deep down he
knew she wasn't coming back

1382
01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:56,560
either way.
No, I was saying I think he

1383
01:20:56,560 --> 01:20:59,120
knows that she's still out
there.

1384
01:20:59,160 --> 01:21:00,320
Yeah.
Oh yeah.

1385
01:21:01,080 --> 01:21:02,840
But he's not going to look for
her because he's.

1386
01:21:02,840 --> 01:21:04,920
Not going to look for her.
He's not going to say anything.

1387
01:21:04,920 --> 01:21:06,480
He's not even going to say her
name.

1388
01:21:07,560 --> 01:21:11,240
Because again, Doctor K could
still have have them watch.

1389
01:21:11,240 --> 01:21:14,600
She could still be having them
watch like, oh, you know, just

1390
01:21:14,600 --> 01:21:16,560
in case they may have planned
this.

1391
01:21:16,760 --> 01:21:19,480
She may be in hiding.
They may go look for her.

1392
01:21:20,920 --> 01:21:24,000
No, they're, they're going to be
like, OK, you know what?

1393
01:21:24,520 --> 01:21:28,720
We're going to let her live
whatever normal life she could

1394
01:21:28,720 --> 01:21:30,240
be living right now.
We're just going.

1395
01:21:30,280 --> 01:21:34,560
To and he taught, he taught her
enough survival skills to to be

1396
01:21:34,560 --> 01:21:41,760
able to make it on her own.
Yeah, yeah, so but you do, I

1397
01:21:41,760 --> 01:21:45,320
mean, you do see that the sorrow
and it's actually on that scene

1398
01:21:45,320 --> 01:21:51,280
right now my in my background.
You do see where it it hurts

1399
01:21:51,280 --> 01:21:54,240
him, it affects him.
But also, this is 18 months

1400
01:21:54,240 --> 01:21:56,800
later.
I think he's probably had time

1401
01:21:56,800 --> 01:22:01,120
to go through all the stages of
grief and be like, OK, you know

1402
01:22:01,120 --> 01:22:03,320
what?
She really did make her choice.

1403
01:22:04,320 --> 01:22:08,160
And I'm OK with that.
Because of the conversation that

1404
01:22:08,160 --> 01:22:12,960
they had, You know, Mike didn't
get as much time with her as

1405
01:22:12,960 --> 01:22:16,160
Hopper got as far as because
Hopper had not one but two

1406
01:22:16,160 --> 01:22:20,040
really good conversations with
her before all of that happened.

1407
01:22:20,320 --> 01:22:24,160
Mike got what, maybe 2 minutes
if that if.

1408
01:22:24,800 --> 01:22:28,400
That.
If that so, and this is this is

1409
01:22:28,400 --> 01:22:32,520
somebody you've been in a
relationship with for four years

1410
01:22:32,920 --> 01:22:37,320
and all you get to say goodbye
is a a, a a a minute, a minute

1411
01:22:37,320 --> 01:22:38,360
and a half.
Yeah.

1412
01:22:38,640 --> 01:22:42,960
So it's not out, you know, it,
it, it's not surprising that

1413
01:22:42,960 --> 01:22:47,560
he's still having a hard time
adjusting, you know, but

1414
01:22:50,200 --> 01:22:54,960
graduation day does.
This tribute to Eddie was

1415
01:22:54,960 --> 01:22:57,440
amazing.
He did.

1416
01:22:57,480 --> 01:23:00,560
Exactly what he did, exactly
what Eddie said he would do.

1417
01:23:01,440 --> 01:23:03,920
When he finally gave the point
across that stage.

1418
01:23:04,200 --> 01:23:07,600
And I love the fact that his
Mama was like, yes, his Mama was

1419
01:23:07,600 --> 01:23:11,400
cheering him on.
Like yes, yes, yes, but.

1420
01:23:12,480 --> 01:23:16,280
When the girl that turned Dustin
down to the dance inviting him

1421
01:23:16,280 --> 01:23:17,720
to the party.
Yeah.

1422
01:23:18,760 --> 01:23:22,680
I was like, no, he don't want to
go to, he don't want to go to

1423
01:23:22,680 --> 01:23:25,120
your party now, which he
probably would have if Mike

1424
01:23:25,120 --> 01:23:27,240
hadn't have been like, I got
something better.

1425
01:23:27,440 --> 01:23:32,560
But I love the fact that when we
when we introduced to those

1426
01:23:32,560 --> 01:23:36,040
characters, they're playing DND
and then when we see them for

1427
01:23:36,040 --> 01:23:38,360
the last time, they're playing
DND.

1428
01:23:40,120 --> 01:23:44,800
It's a nice little bookend.
Some people did call that.

1429
01:23:44,800 --> 01:23:48,040
They said that, oh, we're going
to see them play DND at the end

1430
01:23:48,040 --> 01:23:49,920
because the whole thing was a
campaign.

1431
01:23:51,440 --> 01:23:54,160
Technically it kind of was a
campaign.

1432
01:23:54,760 --> 01:23:57,800
It was just they were Larping.
It was real, real life.

1433
01:23:57,840 --> 01:24:02,920
Yeah, yeah, because I mean, even
with the stuff that they called

1434
01:24:02,920 --> 01:24:06,360
the the creatures all that comes
from Dungeon and Dragons, you've

1435
01:24:06,360 --> 01:24:09,640
never heard becna call the
monsters Demi Gorgons.

1436
01:24:09,840 --> 01:24:12,640
You never heard him refer to
himself as Beckman because

1437
01:24:12,640 --> 01:24:16,680
that's not his name, you know,
that's not the name he chose for

1438
01:24:16,680 --> 01:24:18,120
himself.
That's the name that they gave

1439
01:24:18,120 --> 01:24:20,720
him based on what they were
playing.

1440
01:24:21,440 --> 01:24:24,360
So yeah, in in a sense, it it
makes sense.

1441
01:24:24,360 --> 01:24:32,320
It OK.
I have not seen not one person

1442
01:24:32,560 --> 01:24:35,040
say this, so I'm going to say
it.

1443
01:24:35,320 --> 01:24:41,840
I'm glad Ted Wheeler survived to
see him there at the graduation

1444
01:24:42,080 --> 01:24:46,240
next to Missus Wheeler.
I was like, yeah, I think I was

1445
01:24:46,240 --> 01:24:49,240
the only one in the theater who
was like, yeah, Ted made it.

1446
01:24:50,120 --> 01:24:52,400
There's no nobody cares about
this character.

1447
01:24:52,400 --> 01:24:55,160
And I'm like.
I did say, oh Ted, there's.

1448
01:24:57,400 --> 01:25:01,280
So much disrespect towards Ted
Wheeler, but that's OK.

1449
01:25:01,280 --> 01:25:10,080
We're glad you're alive, Ted.
But let's see what else misses

1450
01:25:10,080 --> 01:25:12,360
Wheeler wearing her scars with
pride.

1451
01:25:12,840 --> 01:25:15,680
I wonder what that conversation
is like for her because, you

1452
01:25:15,680 --> 01:25:18,120
know, people don't know she got
attacked by monsters.

1453
01:25:18,120 --> 01:25:20,960
So when people see that there,
how did that happen?

1454
01:25:20,960 --> 01:25:23,640
What happened?
How do you answer that question?

1455
01:25:25,640 --> 01:25:29,400
Because those are not just
regular, oh, I was in a car

1456
01:25:29,400 --> 01:25:35,400
accident scars.
But anyway.

1457
01:25:36,960 --> 01:25:42,480
There's a lot of strange things
happening in, I guess Harkins

1458
01:25:43,520 --> 01:25:46,800
Strange things, Stranger things
that that.

1459
01:25:50,120 --> 01:25:55,880
Stranger Things, yeah.
Now, there are some things that

1460
01:25:55,880 --> 01:25:59,920
wasn't.
I miss Murray, 'cause I know in

1461
01:25:59,920 --> 01:26:02,760
the car after we we can't, we
were coming home.

1462
01:26:02,760 --> 01:26:06,720
I said, Oh my gosh, I hated that
they didn't say or show Murray

1463
01:26:06,720 --> 01:26:10,920
at all, but I had missed him.
He was at the graduation, so

1464
01:26:10,920 --> 01:26:12,120
that was my fault.
Yeah, he said.

1465
01:26:12,200 --> 01:26:13,320
Thanks.
To Mr. Clark.

1466
01:26:13,600 --> 01:26:20,600
Yeah, I totally missed him.
So yes, so, but we don't know

1467
01:26:20,600 --> 01:26:23,800
what happened to, I think we
kind of know what happened to

1468
01:26:24,240 --> 01:26:30,240
Max Mother maybe.
I've seen theories that she may

1469
01:26:30,240 --> 01:26:32,400
have perished when the rift
opened up.

1470
01:26:32,520 --> 01:26:36,360
Yeah, 'cause she will be at her
house and that was right next to

1471
01:26:36,360 --> 01:26:39,000
Eddie's across.
The street, yeah.

1472
01:26:39,760 --> 01:26:41,960
So it's.
Possible.

1473
01:26:41,960 --> 01:26:45,240
Or, you know, I think I had this
conversation on threads,

1474
01:26:46,280 --> 01:26:49,720
unfortunately, because they
were, this is 1989 when they're

1475
01:26:49,720 --> 01:26:53,920
graduating, You know, Max's mom.
We got to remember Max's mom was

1476
01:26:53,920 --> 01:26:57,200
a single parent.
You know, Billy's dad left her

1477
01:26:57,200 --> 01:27:00,120
after Billy died.
So she's there taking care of

1478
01:27:00,120 --> 01:27:04,640
Max, paying all the bills.
I'm sure she probably still has

1479
01:27:04,640 --> 01:27:06,720
to pay bills.
Now she's got to pay hospital

1480
01:27:06,720 --> 01:27:09,280
bills because your daughter was
in a coma for almost 2 1/2.

1481
01:27:09,320 --> 01:27:12,800
I mean, for almost 2 years, you
got hospital bills, you got

1482
01:27:12,800 --> 01:27:15,440
other bills.
Her mom could just simply have

1483
01:27:15,440 --> 01:27:17,120
not been able to come to the
graduation.

1484
01:27:17,120 --> 01:27:20,200
She probably had to work.
It's not, you know, that wasn't

1485
01:27:20,200 --> 01:27:25,600
something that was out of, you
know, the normal scope of things

1486
01:27:25,600 --> 01:27:27,600
for the 80s.
There were a lot of parents who

1487
01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:30,840
had to miss things like that
because they had to take care of

1488
01:27:30,960 --> 01:27:34,240
their families.
They had to pay bills, you know.

1489
01:27:34,600 --> 01:27:36,840
Or she's dead.
Or she went moved back to

1490
01:27:36,840 --> 01:27:42,080
California.
Oh, she could have, but I mean,

1491
01:27:42,600 --> 01:27:45,280
who knows?
I mean, I mean.

1492
01:27:45,360 --> 01:27:48,360
OK, we just watched.
We just watched something where

1493
01:27:48,400 --> 01:27:50,880
I I know that kid was dying and
they like they didn't want to

1494
01:27:50,880 --> 01:27:53,160
see their kid die so they just
left the hospital.

1495
01:27:53,760 --> 01:27:56,080
That was a newborn infant.
I don't care but.

1496
01:27:57,080 --> 01:27:59,360
I mean, some people are.
If they told her that, that

1497
01:27:59,360 --> 01:28:03,520
there's no way she's coming
back, she could move and just

1498
01:28:03,520 --> 01:28:06,240
check in with Lucas.
Like you know how she, you know

1499
01:28:06,240 --> 01:28:07,680
how she's doing and stuff like
that.

1500
01:28:07,680 --> 01:28:10,960
She could have left.
But I doubt that because not

1501
01:28:10,960 --> 01:28:13,440
many people got out as quick as
they needed to.

1502
01:28:14,280 --> 01:28:16,080
They got stuck there or you
Right.

1503
01:28:16,080 --> 01:28:17,960
Or she died.
Yeah.

1504
01:28:18,960 --> 01:28:21,680
So I would just prefer to think
because I think Max has had

1505
01:28:21,680 --> 01:28:23,400
enough tragedy in her life as
well.

1506
01:28:23,640 --> 01:28:25,480
I just prefer to think Mom had
to work.

1507
01:28:25,520 --> 01:28:29,240
Mom's working double shift or
she's working 2 jobs and she

1508
01:28:29,240 --> 01:28:32,280
just, she just couldn't make it.
And you know.

1509
01:28:32,280 --> 01:28:35,560
That makes it really even worse.
I think I'd rather her just pet

1510
01:28:35,560 --> 01:28:40,200
perished.
But then there's the question of

1511
01:28:40,200 --> 01:28:41,960
who's taking care of her while
she's there.

1512
01:28:41,960 --> 01:28:44,480
And that's, yeah, that that's a
lot.

1513
01:28:44,920 --> 01:28:47,280
That's a lot.
Well, the the I like how some

1514
01:28:47,280 --> 01:28:50,800
people say that she just ends up
living with the with Lucas.

1515
01:28:53,400 --> 01:28:56,560
No, she, I, I would, I would
think she would probably be

1516
01:28:56,760 --> 01:29:01,560
moved in with Joyce first.
They don't have any room in the

1517
01:29:01,560 --> 01:29:07,320
cabin for for Will Hopper and.
You really think a black mom is

1518
01:29:07,320 --> 01:29:09,200
about to let the girlfriend come
live it?

1519
01:29:09,200 --> 01:29:11,200
No.
Come on now.

1520
01:29:12,080 --> 01:29:13,160
Seriously.
Really.

1521
01:29:13,400 --> 01:29:17,920
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Not teenagers, not in the 80s.

1522
01:29:18,120 --> 01:29:19,960
Yeah, but then they will have
rules.

1523
01:29:19,960 --> 01:29:24,600
But yeah, we have so many big
people that did not be related

1524
01:29:24,600 --> 01:29:26,440
to anybody live with other
people.

1525
01:29:27,440 --> 01:29:30,920
Come on now.
Yeah, but we we do it for.

1526
01:29:31,400 --> 01:29:32,840
Yeah, we're still good for that
though.

1527
01:29:33,080 --> 01:29:35,720
They I mean, they will have some
rules, but we we good for that

1528
01:29:35,720 --> 01:29:37,600
though.
You're not going to let someone

1529
01:29:37,600 --> 01:29:40,840
not have no place to stay?
You know we don't I.

1530
01:29:41,400 --> 01:29:44,960
Know, I just don't see them
letting the girlfriends stay.

1531
01:29:45,160 --> 01:29:47,440
They have rules now.
They ain't closing doors now.

1532
01:29:47,440 --> 01:29:49,400
You know, we got rules, but we
get around.

1533
01:29:49,400 --> 01:29:51,840
To leave the door open. 3
inches, right?

1534
01:29:51,840 --> 01:29:55,040
So, you know, and then they'll
have Erica be the spy.

1535
01:29:56,480 --> 01:30:01,120
Yeah, that's true too.
Let's see, let's see, let's see.

1536
01:30:01,120 --> 01:30:01,960
What else?
What else?

1537
01:30:01,960 --> 01:30:05,000
What else?
OK, let's talk about the let's

1538
01:30:05,000 --> 01:30:11,560
talk about the young folks.
The the, the rooftop reunion.

1539
01:30:11,560 --> 01:30:15,880
Oh, first, before even that, the
fact that Steve stayed in

1540
01:30:15,880 --> 01:30:19,920
Hawkins and became a sex Ed
teacher and a Little League

1541
01:30:19,920 --> 01:30:23,880
coach is so on brand for him.
And I love that for him.

1542
01:30:24,520 --> 01:30:26,920
I had told Michelle he was going
to be a teacher.

1543
01:30:28,720 --> 01:30:32,240
I think I would, yeah.
Yeah, his his track was become a

1544
01:30:32,280 --> 01:30:36,760
high school teacher and a coach.
And I love that for him.

1545
01:30:37,200 --> 01:30:41,880
You know, the fact that teachers
are very important in this

1546
01:30:41,880 --> 01:30:44,000
series.
I I love that as well.

1547
01:30:44,320 --> 01:30:48,560
You know, Mr. Clark and the the
counselor lady, I can't remember

1548
01:30:48,560 --> 01:30:53,800
her name right now, but yeah,
Steve being a teacher, sex Ed

1549
01:30:53,800 --> 01:30:57,480
teacher, that that's so funny.
He was like, yeah, I get these.

1550
01:30:57,720 --> 01:31:01,880
I get to teach them about the
miracle of life and how not to

1551
01:31:01,880 --> 01:31:08,560
start it accidentally.
And the fact that some of the

1552
01:31:08,560 --> 01:31:11,200
kids are on the the, the
baseball team.

1553
01:31:11,200 --> 01:31:13,880
Derek is on the baseball team
with him.

1554
01:31:13,920 --> 01:31:15,560
I I just love the fact that
he's.

1555
01:31:16,320 --> 01:31:18,880
Tommy.
Yeah, that he's still kind of,

1556
01:31:18,880 --> 01:31:22,160
you know, playing that mentor
role or the quote UN quote

1557
01:31:22,160 --> 01:31:24,200
babysitter role as he's known
for.

1558
01:31:27,160 --> 01:31:30,600
I saw a meme about that scene
because you have all of them in

1559
01:31:30,600 --> 01:31:33,800
different places.
Jonathan is in film school at

1560
01:31:33,800 --> 01:31:38,080
NYU.
Nancy was at Emerson and then

1561
01:31:38,080 --> 01:31:44,320
she dropped out and she's now
writing for a paper and Robin is

1562
01:31:44,320 --> 01:31:47,040
attending school at Smith.
So they're all in three

1563
01:31:47,040 --> 01:31:49,200
different, I mean, four
different locations.

1564
01:31:50,160 --> 01:31:53,720
And they make this plan to meet
up with each other once a month

1565
01:31:53,720 --> 01:31:55,760
because they miss each other.
You know, they're like, hey, I

1566
01:31:55,760 --> 01:31:58,160
miss this.
I miss each, I miss us.

1567
01:31:59,000 --> 01:32:01,720
Let's just make plans.
And I saw a meme that says those

1568
01:32:01,720 --> 01:32:04,720
of us who are adults know that
this is never going to happen.

1569
01:32:04,960 --> 01:32:09,120
And it made me so sad because I
was like, wow, that is true.

1570
01:32:09,120 --> 01:32:11,800
Because a lot of times we all
say, OK, we're going to get

1571
01:32:11,800 --> 01:32:13,800
together every month and we're
going to do this.

1572
01:32:14,240 --> 01:32:16,720
And it just never happens
because life happens.

1573
01:32:18,560 --> 01:32:21,280
So sad.
But also people were talking

1574
01:32:21,280 --> 01:32:24,400
about the fact that they were
like, can we have the 80s back?

1575
01:32:24,400 --> 01:32:28,000
Because Steve is talking about
he's almost close to being able

1576
01:32:28,000 --> 01:32:33,120
to afford a home in a good
neighborhood on a teacher's.

1577
01:32:33,120 --> 01:32:35,280
Like on a Yeah, on a coach's
salary.

1578
01:32:35,600 --> 01:32:40,120
On a coach's salary, Like, can
we have those prices back?

1579
01:32:42,280 --> 01:32:48,440
Jonathan and his film school
career, I don't know how that's

1580
01:32:48,440 --> 01:32:51,480
going to go.
The anti capitalist Hannibal,

1581
01:32:51,840 --> 01:32:54,560
The more she eats, the hungry
years she gets.

1582
01:32:54,640 --> 01:32:58,680
The I don't know how that's
going to go, but.

1583
01:32:58,680 --> 01:33:00,920
I would watch it, it sounds
interesting.

1584
01:33:02,120 --> 01:33:05,840
I will say this though, I don't
think Jonathan and Nancy's story

1585
01:33:05,840 --> 01:33:10,320
is over.
Just giving the vibes from that

1586
01:33:10,320 --> 01:33:12,760
rooftop conversation.
The way they kept looking at

1587
01:33:12,760 --> 01:33:15,880
each other, I don't think that
story is quite over for them.

1588
01:33:16,800 --> 01:33:19,480
They may be one of those couples
that kind of spend a couple of

1589
01:33:19,480 --> 01:33:23,160
years apart and then find their
way back to each other.

1590
01:33:23,160 --> 01:33:26,000
That's that's my head cannon.
That's that's what I'm going

1591
01:33:26,000 --> 01:33:28,960
with.
Apparently Vicki is still in the

1592
01:33:30,480 --> 01:33:35,200
picture for Robin, but she's an
overbearing partner, which I was

1593
01:33:35,200 --> 01:33:40,760
like, oh, that's kind of
telling, but I don't know.

1594
01:33:40,760 --> 01:33:42,520
They still.
Together, to be honest with you.

1595
01:33:43,440 --> 01:33:46,280
The the overbearing partner
part, I think that's what

1596
01:33:46,280 --> 01:33:49,400
everybody kind of gathered
because they realized that Vicky

1597
01:33:49,400 --> 01:33:53,720
is a bit, she has a lot of
anxiety and then after

1598
01:33:53,720 --> 01:33:57,360
everything that happened at
Hawkins, she probably is a bit

1599
01:33:57,960 --> 01:34:00,680
overprotective.
And probably when Robin was

1600
01:34:00,680 --> 01:34:03,520
like, oh, the kids are
graduating, I'm going back to

1601
01:34:03,520 --> 01:34:05,520
Hawkins.
Vicky probably gave her hell

1602
01:34:05,520 --> 01:34:07,800
about it.
They're not coming back.

1603
01:34:09,520 --> 01:34:14,720
I mean it, it kind of tracks.
Yeah, I I tracked it as in she

1604
01:34:14,720 --> 01:34:18,000
was and she's not anymore, but
OK, maybe they're still

1605
01:34:18,040 --> 01:34:22,120
together.
They might be so glad to see

1606
01:34:22,120 --> 01:34:25,040
that Joyce and Hopper finally
made it to Enzo's, and

1607
01:34:25,040 --> 01:34:28,120
apparently are there kind of
regularly, because the maitre-d'

1608
01:34:28,120 --> 01:34:33,000
came over was like Chief Byers.
Chief Chief Hopper misses Byers,

1609
01:34:33,000 --> 01:34:36,080
it's good to see you again.
I was like, obviously I'm making

1610
01:34:36,080 --> 01:34:40,800
Enzo's a regular thing, huh?
But how did Joyce not know or

1611
01:34:40,800 --> 01:34:44,640
not realize that Hopper was
about to propose when he ordered

1612
01:34:44,920 --> 01:34:50,040
wine and caviar?
Joyce, I need you to pick up on

1613
01:34:50,040 --> 01:34:51,680
the context.
Please read the.

1614
01:34:52,760 --> 01:34:54,320
Room.
Let's graduate the room.

1615
01:34:54,680 --> 01:34:58,240
He he he said that real good.
It's graduation, you know, you

1616
01:34:58,240 --> 01:35:01,720
should be proud.
I love the memes when they said

1617
01:35:01,720 --> 01:35:07,400
she has two sons.
Yeah.

1618
01:35:07,400 --> 01:35:10,560
Watch out.
Funny, they're just making a

1619
01:35:10,560 --> 01:35:15,240
joke about Jonathan, not really.
Leave Jonathan.

1620
01:35:15,240 --> 01:35:19,760
Alone we will not tolerate.
Everybody knows Jonathan was

1621
01:35:19,760 --> 01:35:21,200
Lonnie's kid.
Come on now.

1622
01:35:22,800 --> 01:35:24,040
Right.
Right.

1623
01:35:24,040 --> 01:35:26,360
Because you are.
You are quick to throw Jonathan

1624
01:35:26,360 --> 01:35:30,640
out there to do stuff, too.
Jonathan, you can do it.

1625
01:35:31,360 --> 01:35:32,400
We'll be right.
I can't.

1626
01:35:32,400 --> 01:35:34,840
I'm just riding in the car
listening to a radio.

1627
01:35:34,840 --> 01:35:36,320
No, you stay here.
Yeah.

1628
01:35:37,000 --> 01:35:41,080
Will, Jonathan, you go?
Yeah, Mom, I just want to go

1629
01:35:41,080 --> 01:35:43,040
down the street.
No, Jonathan, go pick it up.

1630
01:35:44,800 --> 01:35:47,240
I mean, you can't blame her for
being overprotective.

1631
01:35:48,000 --> 01:35:50,320
We'll say I could.
I could probably run the thing.

1632
01:35:50,520 --> 01:35:52,720
And she's like, hey, Jonathan,
do it.

1633
01:35:55,200 --> 01:35:57,120
We can't blame her for being
over.

1634
01:35:57,120 --> 01:36:00,440
I'm just glad that she got out
of that.

1635
01:36:00,840 --> 01:36:03,280
Jonathan, he rolled with.
He's like I.

1636
01:36:03,440 --> 01:36:09,120
Guess like, I mean, you know,
mom, can I go get some milk from

1637
01:36:09,120 --> 01:36:11,080
the corner store?
No, Johnson can do it.

1638
01:36:11,680 --> 01:36:14,280
Hey, did you know that that they
were moving to where Percy

1639
01:36:14,280 --> 01:36:18,840
Jackson is Monta?
OK.

1640
01:36:19,040 --> 01:36:22,400
But there was, there's some
other cultural significance

1641
01:36:22,400 --> 01:36:25,840
about Montauk because I see, I
keep saying people reference it

1642
01:36:26,160 --> 01:36:30,040
and I'm like it sounds familiar,
but I don't think I'm familiar

1643
01:36:30,040 --> 01:36:33,080
with whatever the reference.
It's about the research.

1644
01:36:33,120 --> 01:36:35,920
And that's what they were going
to name the show.

1645
01:36:38,680 --> 01:36:40,520
Oh yeah, that's right.
That's right.

1646
01:36:41,280 --> 01:36:42,360
That's right.
It was.

1647
01:36:42,520 --> 01:36:45,720
It's by the lab and research.
Yeah.

1648
01:36:46,200 --> 01:36:48,720
Bad experiments, but that's also
what they were.

1649
01:36:48,720 --> 01:36:51,800
Name the show.
So I don't know if that's where

1650
01:36:51,800 --> 01:36:56,280
Harper actually wants to go, but
I mean, they offer him a 20%

1651
01:36:56,280 --> 01:36:59,720
raise to go be the police chief
there something.

1652
01:36:59,720 --> 01:37:01,800
'S happening.
That could be where the spin off

1653
01:37:01,800 --> 01:37:03,440
is.
Right, that's what I was going

1654
01:37:03,440 --> 01:37:04,960
to say.
That could be one of the spin

1655
01:37:04,960 --> 01:37:06,720
offs.
Montauk.

1656
01:37:08,360 --> 01:37:11,200
No, I think.
I think the the moment Hopper

1657
01:37:11,200 --> 01:37:13,960
sees something funny happening
in that time, he's going to tell

1658
01:37:13,960 --> 01:37:15,360
Joy as well.
You know what?

1659
01:37:15,360 --> 01:37:17,960
That was fun.
Time to go back to Hawking.

1660
01:37:18,480 --> 01:37:21,160
At least we know the danger
there is quilled.

1661
01:37:21,600 --> 01:37:26,880
Yeah, I I don't think, I think
Hopper now has gotten too old to

1662
01:37:26,880 --> 01:37:30,560
deal with this shit.
He's going to be like Riggs and

1663
01:37:30,560 --> 01:37:32,880
what's his name?
I'm too old for this shit.

1664
01:37:33,640 --> 01:37:38,600
I just want to go and just relax
and be with my honey and not

1665
01:37:38,600 --> 01:37:42,600
have to worry about demogorgions
and Russians.

1666
01:37:42,600 --> 01:37:44,760
And he's just like, he don't
want to do none of it.

1667
01:37:45,800 --> 01:37:49,800
I just want to go live a nice,
quiet life.

1668
01:37:50,080 --> 01:37:53,240
He deserves it.
They all deserve it at this

1669
01:37:53,240 --> 01:38:01,160
point.
But what else was good the last

1670
01:38:01,160 --> 01:38:05,200
D&D game?
Seeing the characters or seeing

1671
01:38:05,200 --> 01:38:08,160
the actors basically say goodbye
to their characters by putting

1672
01:38:08,160 --> 01:38:11,840
their D&D books on the shelf and
walking up the stairs.

1673
01:38:12,760 --> 01:38:16,960
That was heartbreaking.
But then you get that, You get

1674
01:38:17,080 --> 01:38:22,960
the you're kind of relieved of
the heartbreak by Holly and her

1675
01:38:22,960 --> 01:38:26,600
friends coming down and getting
ready to start their own DND

1676
01:38:26,600 --> 01:38:28,600
thing.
That was very sweet.

1677
01:38:28,600 --> 01:38:31,120
And I love the way that Mike
just kind of looked at them

1678
01:38:31,120 --> 01:38:33,600
like, OK, yeah, this is how it's
supposed to be.

1679
01:38:34,080 --> 01:38:35,560
You know the.
New generation.

1680
01:38:36,320 --> 01:38:40,360
Yeah, 'cause I mean, you had,
you had told Holly you was going

1681
01:38:40,360 --> 01:38:43,200
to give her her little Holly,
the heroic thing.

1682
01:38:43,640 --> 01:38:47,280
And now here she is, she's
leading her her own friends.

1683
01:38:47,320 --> 01:38:52,400
What was it?
It was the other girl, not

1684
01:38:52,400 --> 01:38:54,360
Debbie.
What was the other girl's name?

1685
01:38:55,320 --> 01:38:58,040
I can't remember.
And then Josh, the one she had

1686
01:38:58,040 --> 01:39:01,160
the crush on.
And then delightful Derek.

1687
01:39:01,440 --> 01:39:04,560
I was like, OK, this is cool.
I like this.

1688
01:39:06,480 --> 01:39:09,240
He said Derek was sitting next
to Holly at the graduation.

1689
01:39:09,880 --> 01:39:13,760
Yeah, I I like that too.
Just like, you know, y'all,

1690
01:39:13,920 --> 01:39:16,920
y'all were kind of mortal
enemies at 1st and now y'all

1691
01:39:17,280 --> 01:39:19,240
seem like y'all are the best of
friends.

1692
01:39:19,240 --> 01:39:22,880
So I like that.
I like that that that Derek is

1693
01:39:22,880 --> 01:39:29,400
part of the group now.
But yeah, I was, I was very

1694
01:39:29,400 --> 01:39:31,040
happy with the way they ended
this.

1695
01:39:31,040 --> 01:39:36,880
I love that they kind of gave us
closure on everybody and the

1696
01:39:36,880 --> 01:39:41,960
closure made sense it.
Was a It was a very satisfying

1697
01:39:42,000 --> 01:39:44,360
ending.
Yeah, yeah.

1698
01:39:45,040 --> 01:39:49,200
And I was just even even the
whole thing with Elle, because

1699
01:39:49,760 --> 01:39:54,640
if she had died to protect
everybody else and to make sure

1700
01:39:54,640 --> 01:39:58,880
that, you know, the experiments
would not continue on in the

1701
01:39:58,880 --> 01:40:02,240
future, I would have been OK
with that because it would have

1702
01:40:02,240 --> 01:40:07,960
been a noble sacrifice.
However, Mike's version of what

1703
01:40:07,960 --> 01:40:10,760
happened, I like that even
better.

1704
01:40:11,720 --> 01:40:14,760
I like the fact that she's just
out there in the world.

1705
01:40:15,280 --> 01:40:19,440
Living her life.
I love the fact that she still

1706
01:40:19,640 --> 01:40:24,640
probably has her powers, you
know, if she ever needs them,

1707
01:40:24,680 --> 01:40:28,520
that she can use them, but that
there's not anything in her life

1708
01:40:29,080 --> 01:40:32,000
that requires her to.
I like the fact that she can

1709
01:40:32,000 --> 01:40:36,440
probably be at peace knowing her
friends are safe because I mean

1710
01:40:36,440 --> 01:40:39,160
honestly, if she wants to know
how her friends are doing, all

1711
01:40:39,160 --> 01:40:43,440
she has to do is go, you know,
do the whole bad thing with the

1712
01:40:43,440 --> 01:40:47,200
radio and just kind of dip in
their heads and be like hey

1713
01:40:47,200 --> 01:40:49,720
y'all OK OK cool.
You know, yeah.

1714
01:40:49,800 --> 01:40:53,600
But then that that becomes no.
And they would never know she

1715
01:40:53,600 --> 01:40:55,520
was there.
Yeah, but you don't want to.

1716
01:40:55,800 --> 01:40:59,040
Yeah, no, you don't want to.
But I like the fact that if she

1717
01:40:59,600 --> 01:41:03,520
needed to that she can do that
just kind of dip and be like,

1718
01:41:03,520 --> 01:41:05,000
oh, OK, you good?
All right, let me go.

1719
01:41:05,360 --> 01:41:09,640
You know, she's not completely
cut off from them, not in the

1720
01:41:09,640 --> 01:41:11,200
way that they are cut off from
her.

1721
01:41:12,760 --> 01:41:17,240
So hopefully they get to they
get to move on and have some

1722
01:41:17,240 --> 01:41:20,680
good things.
I love the fact that Lucas and

1723
01:41:20,680 --> 01:41:22,720
Max finally went on their movie
date.

1724
01:41:23,480 --> 01:41:27,720
I love the fact that Will is in
what looks like New York and

1725
01:41:27,720 --> 01:41:33,560
he's getting to live his best
gay life and Dustin is going to

1726
01:41:33,560 --> 01:41:36,200
school and.
Someone said he was in San

1727
01:41:36,200 --> 01:41:37,840
Francisco.
Oh.

1728
01:41:38,280 --> 01:41:42,240
That could be too, but I where
is.

1729
01:41:42,240 --> 01:41:44,720
Montauk, I can tell.
Where is Montauk?

1730
01:41:44,760 --> 01:41:48,480
Montauk, I think, is closer to
the East Coast, and Hopper said

1731
01:41:48,480 --> 01:41:52,640
we'd still be close to the boys,
so that's what makes me think he

1732
01:41:52,640 --> 01:41:54,920
was probably in New York.
Yeah, me too.

1733
01:41:55,160 --> 01:41:57,320
The San Francisco is all the way
across the country.

1734
01:41:57,320 --> 01:42:01,800
And as much as I'm sure Will
wants to get away from Hawkins

1735
01:42:01,800 --> 01:42:04,840
and probably live his own life,
I don't see him moving that far

1736
01:42:04,840 --> 01:42:09,680
from Joyce and Jonathan or from
the rest of the guy the rest of

1737
01:42:09,680 --> 01:42:15,240
the game.
But, yeah, Dustin is off at

1738
01:42:15,240 --> 01:42:18,720
school and Steve is coming to
pick him up to hang out.

1739
01:42:19,080 --> 01:42:22,920
And he still, you know, it's
only a hour away from his mom.

1740
01:42:22,920 --> 01:42:25,840
His mom was tripping me out the
way she was sitting there

1741
01:42:25,840 --> 01:42:27,760
crying.
He was like, mom, I'm only going

1742
01:42:27,760 --> 01:42:31,440
to be an hour away and I'll come
and visit you every chance I

1743
01:42:31,440 --> 01:42:32,840
get.
And I'm going to call you so

1744
01:42:32,840 --> 01:42:34,120
much.
You're probably going to want to

1745
01:42:34,120 --> 01:42:37,360
take care.
You're probably going to want to

1746
01:42:37,360 --> 01:42:38,760
change your phone number.
OK.

1747
01:42:39,400 --> 01:42:43,080
Yeah, yeah.
I was like, yeah, that's this

1748
01:42:43,080 --> 01:42:44,880
Mommy.
I I like her.

1749
01:42:44,880 --> 01:42:51,560
But yeah, I was.
I was very satisfied with the

1750
01:42:51,560 --> 01:42:55,440
way that they ended this kind of
Want to know what happened to

1751
01:42:55,440 --> 01:43:00,880
Doctor Kane after she lost her
her focus, because now 11 is

1752
01:43:00,880 --> 01:43:02,160
gone.
She hasn't.

1753
01:43:02,480 --> 01:43:05,480
She has nothing now.
She has no lab.

1754
01:43:05,840 --> 01:43:09,880
She has no no blood samples.
I saw somebody else.

1755
01:43:09,880 --> 01:43:13,600
They were like, Oh my God, did
that when when they collapsed

1756
01:43:13,600 --> 01:43:15,720
the upside down.
Does that mean that they killed

1757
01:43:15,720 --> 01:43:18,120
all the pregnant women?
The pregnant women were dying

1758
01:43:18,120 --> 01:43:19,760
anyway.
They probably.

1759
01:43:19,760 --> 01:43:21,960
Yeah, I saw that too.
They just left all those

1760
01:43:21,960 --> 01:43:25,800
pregnant women they were.
Dying and they it it was

1761
01:43:25,800 --> 01:43:30,520
probably they probably put them
out of their misery because they

1762
01:43:30,520 --> 01:43:32,640
were given that.
I don't want to say tainted

1763
01:43:32,640 --> 01:43:36,320
blood, but it was whatever, you
know, Ace blood wasn't helping

1764
01:43:36,320 --> 01:43:38,560
them.
It was killing them, killing

1765
01:43:38,560 --> 01:43:42,680
their unborn children.
And even if they had saved them

1766
01:43:42,680 --> 01:43:49,400
and brought them stateside or or
right side upside, those doctors

1767
01:43:49,400 --> 01:43:52,400
wouldn't know how to fix that
because they don't know what the

1768
01:43:52,400 --> 01:43:58,000
cause of it was.
So yeah, they probably did them

1769
01:43:58,080 --> 01:44:06,760
a huge favor.
But yeah, I'm so sad it's over

1770
01:44:06,760 --> 01:44:11,200
though.
I feel like, I almost feel like

1771
01:44:11,200 --> 01:44:12,960
we could have gotten one more
season.

1772
01:44:13,080 --> 01:44:14,360
They could have done some other
stuff.

1773
01:44:14,360 --> 01:44:17,760
But I think, I think they did a
good job wrapping it up.

1774
01:44:17,840 --> 01:44:22,080
They did a good job, especially
with Vechner's character.

1775
01:44:22,080 --> 01:44:27,120
They they gave us everything
they could with that character.

1776
01:44:29,520 --> 01:44:34,400
And five seasons is the sweet
spot for for a really good

1777
01:44:34,400 --> 01:44:35,160
series.
Yeah.

1778
01:44:36,200 --> 01:44:37,720
Yeah.
Most seasons start hitting it

1779
01:44:37,720 --> 01:44:40,880
down downward slope after that
fifth season.

1780
01:44:40,880 --> 01:44:42,880
Like Supernatural.
You know what, I knew you were

1781
01:44:42,880 --> 01:44:45,520
going to mention that, but
Supernatural came back and they

1782
01:44:45,520 --> 01:44:47,960
had a great end run so.
Whatever.

1783
01:44:47,960 --> 01:44:50,760
And The thing is this this could
have been more seasons, but they

1784
01:44:50,760 --> 01:44:54,480
had too many breaks in between.
Yeah.

1785
01:44:55,160 --> 01:44:57,280
And it and it's Brexit.
They can't do anything.

1786
01:44:57,640 --> 01:44:59,040
Yeah.
Breaks we can't do anything

1787
01:44:59,040 --> 01:45:01,800
about can't do anything about.
Kobe can do anything about the

1788
01:45:01,800 --> 01:45:03,440
right strike.
So that just.

1789
01:45:03,920 --> 01:45:08,640
Yeah, you know, yeah.
But it was, it was good because

1790
01:45:08,640 --> 01:45:10,800
even like some people were like,
oh, Wagner didn't.

1791
01:45:10,960 --> 01:45:14,120
We didn't get much of Wagner
this season.

1792
01:45:14,120 --> 01:45:16,880
I'm like, but we got a lot of
him last season.

1793
01:45:17,440 --> 01:45:19,800
So this is the right amount.
Yeah.

1794
01:45:21,040 --> 01:45:22,080
And we did.
Get Wagner.

1795
01:45:22,080 --> 01:45:23,720
We just got a different version
of him.

1796
01:45:23,760 --> 01:45:26,360
We got a lot.
No, just like they said more,

1797
01:45:26,360 --> 01:45:28,760
but because it's too many cast
members, they needed more.

1798
01:45:28,760 --> 01:45:31,040
But like there's no you don't
need more.

1799
01:45:31,040 --> 01:45:36,040
It wasn't about him again.
Yeah, it's a coming up age story

1800
01:45:36,040 --> 01:45:41,000
about four boys that was in a
basement Plan D.

1801
01:45:41,640 --> 01:45:43,880
Oh, thank you.
I'm glad you had the plan, D&D.

1802
01:45:44,480 --> 01:45:45,880
When I said four boys in the
basement.

1803
01:45:45,880 --> 01:45:48,560
Yeah, coming base story 4 boys
in the basement, that's a

1804
01:45:48,560 --> 01:45:52,560
totally different story.
What we can.

1805
01:45:52,560 --> 01:45:58,000
Do playing D&D and using D&D to
deal with trauma.

1806
01:45:58,120 --> 01:46:03,480
Real world monsters, yeah.
Yeah.

1807
01:46:04,280 --> 01:46:10,160
But that there is going to be a
animated series that's coming

1808
01:46:10,160 --> 01:46:14,520
out this year.
It will, from what I understand,

1809
01:46:14,680 --> 01:46:19,600
it will cover the same time
period, but it will be different

1810
01:46:19,600 --> 01:46:23,360
characters.
So it won't be our core group.

1811
01:46:23,360 --> 01:46:27,360
It'll be different characters
and I think it'll be talking

1812
01:46:27,360 --> 01:46:32,440
about things that happen in
between the events of Stranger

1813
01:46:32,440 --> 01:46:36,560
Things.
So I probably will check that

1814
01:46:36,560 --> 01:46:38,600
out.
I think I've heard something

1815
01:46:38,600 --> 01:46:42,760
about one other spin off, but I,
I don't know if that was true or

1816
01:46:42,760 --> 01:46:45,200
not.
Kind of like you, Michelle, I'm

1817
01:46:45,480 --> 01:46:51,040
I'm trying to go through all of
the noise that's online now to

1818
01:46:51,040 --> 01:46:54,360
see what's real and what's not.
And I think right now like I'm

1819
01:46:54,360 --> 01:46:57,040
going on YouTube, I'm reading or
not reading.

1820
01:46:57,040 --> 01:47:02,360
I'm watching a lot of the cast
interviews and now that we've

1821
01:47:02,360 --> 01:47:05,920
discussed this, I'm going to go
and watch like a lot of the

1822
01:47:05,920 --> 01:47:09,840
Duffer Brother interviews to see
what they're saying about it.

1823
01:47:09,840 --> 01:47:14,840
Because I know that there have
been some questions about like

1824
01:47:15,680 --> 01:47:22,320
Elevens ending and whether or
not that was real or whether or

1825
01:47:22,320 --> 01:47:26,480
not it was just made-up and
they've left it kind of

1826
01:47:26,480 --> 01:47:28,160
ambiguous.
They're like, yeah, you know

1827
01:47:28,160 --> 01:47:31,200
what?
We just kind of leave it up to

1828
01:47:31,200 --> 01:47:34,880
the reader how or the, the
watcher, however they want to

1829
01:47:35,320 --> 01:47:38,240
interpret that.
And again, like I said, I, I, I

1830
01:47:38,240 --> 01:47:41,640
like Mike's version.
It does make a lot of sense.

1831
01:47:41,800 --> 01:47:43,360
So.
And it need to be that way out

1832
01:47:43,720 --> 01:47:45,320
there.
Yeah, yeah.

1833
01:47:45,440 --> 01:47:52,800
It just needs to stay that way.
But no, it's just this.

1834
01:47:52,920 --> 01:47:55,640
This was this was right.
This felt right.

1835
01:47:56,640 --> 01:47:59,720
Yeah, who's right?
These kids putting their

1836
01:47:59,720 --> 01:48:02,800
notebooks up on the shelf in
their faces.

1837
01:48:02,800 --> 01:48:08,200
They are killing me.
Especially not just full

1838
01:48:08,200 --> 01:48:13,160
breakdown.
Love it, love it love it love

1839
01:48:13,160 --> 01:48:17,120
it.
I don't know if there's anything

1840
01:48:17,120 --> 01:48:21,120
else to say.
Did we talk about all the points

1841
01:48:21,120 --> 01:48:23,520
that we wanted to talk about?
I know there was a lot that

1842
01:48:23,520 --> 01:48:27,480
happened in this episode, but
also, I don't want to just

1843
01:48:27,480 --> 01:48:29,960
regurgitate what everybody else
is saying.

1844
01:48:29,960 --> 01:48:37,400
But I mean, it was, it was damn
near a perfect series finale.

1845
01:48:37,400 --> 01:48:43,040
And after the disappointments of
like Game of Thrones or even for

1846
01:48:43,040 --> 01:48:47,400
me more recently, The Umbrella
Academy, I I'm so glad that they

1847
01:48:47,400 --> 01:48:50,840
did it this way.
And I'm so glad that it hit all

1848
01:48:50,840 --> 01:48:53,880
the right notes.
And yeah.

1849
01:48:54,280 --> 01:48:58,400
Yeah, it did.
And it it this, this was it.

1850
01:48:58,400 --> 01:49:00,040
It didn't need to be anything
else.

1851
01:49:01,640 --> 01:49:07,160
No.
You guys have any final final,

1852
01:49:07,160 --> 01:49:09,120
final thoughts about Stranger
Things?

1853
01:49:09,800 --> 01:49:12,360
This was a very satisfying
series.

1854
01:49:12,360 --> 01:49:16,840
I like shows that have clear
beginnings, middles and endings

1855
01:49:17,640 --> 01:49:21,760
and and this was good.
I mean, there have been some

1856
01:49:21,760 --> 01:49:24,960
series finales that have been
quite disappointing.

1857
01:49:25,520 --> 01:49:28,880
Why?
The few where they've made some

1858
01:49:28,880 --> 01:49:31,920
stupid choices on characters and
stories.

1859
01:49:32,440 --> 01:49:35,760
But I think the Duff brothers
really did a really good job of

1860
01:49:35,760 --> 01:49:38,280
wrapping this up.
Yeah.

1861
01:49:38,440 --> 01:49:40,040
And and it was, it was pretty
good.

1862
01:49:41,040 --> 01:49:46,520
Yeah.
I think the other thing, yeah, I

1863
01:49:46,520 --> 01:49:49,880
think the other thing that that
I really thought about as far as

1864
01:49:49,880 --> 01:49:55,120
the ending, because again, a lot
of talk has been kind of

1865
01:49:55,120 --> 01:49:58,120
comparing the way that they
ended this versus the way, let's

1866
01:49:58,120 --> 01:50:00,960
say, Game of Thrones ended and
how dissatisfied people were

1867
01:50:00,960 --> 01:50:03,280
with that.
And then like I mentioned, also

1868
01:50:03,280 --> 01:50:06,200
Umbrella Academy.
I think the other important

1869
01:50:06,240 --> 01:50:11,640
thing too is that Stranger
Things was an original concept

1870
01:50:12,160 --> 01:50:16,080
from start to finish.
It wasn't based on a book

1871
01:50:16,240 --> 01:50:19,120
written by someone else.
It wasn't based on any other

1872
01:50:19,120 --> 01:50:24,280
Canon.
So I think the fact that they

1873
01:50:24,280 --> 01:50:28,920
created this, that they executed
this, that they were involved

1874
01:50:28,920 --> 01:50:33,920
start to finish is one of the
reasons why it was so clear, it

1875
01:50:33,920 --> 01:50:39,400
was so detailed, and why they
were able to end it the way that

1876
01:50:39,400 --> 01:50:42,440
it should have ended.
When you have other shows that

1877
01:50:42,440 --> 01:50:48,080
are based on books or
adaptations, it can kind of get

1878
01:50:48,080 --> 01:50:53,880
murky because you have to think
about the original Canon and how

1879
01:50:53,880 --> 01:50:57,520
that may or may not end,
especially if it's if it hasn't

1880
01:50:57,520 --> 01:51:00,520
ended yet.
Similar to the Outlander is

1881
01:51:00,520 --> 01:51:02,280
another one.
We don't know how that final

1882
01:51:02,280 --> 01:51:05,160
season is going to be because
those books are still being

1883
01:51:05,160 --> 01:51:08,280
written and we know that the
show is not going to incorporate

1884
01:51:09,320 --> 01:51:12,640
what's in the final book.
But I think that was one of the

1885
01:51:12,640 --> 01:51:15,400
good things about Stranger
Things.

1886
01:51:15,400 --> 01:51:18,080
You know, a lot of times we
complain about the fact that

1887
01:51:18,080 --> 01:51:22,280
there aren't a lot of original
ideas out there, like everything

1888
01:51:22,280 --> 01:51:24,480
is a remake, everything is a
reboot.

1889
01:51:25,040 --> 01:51:29,280
And the fact that this was
original, I think it's one of

1890
01:51:29,280 --> 01:51:33,040
the things that made it good
because we didn't have any

1891
01:51:33,040 --> 01:51:36,120
expectations for it.
We were able to just kind of

1892
01:51:36,120 --> 01:51:40,320
watch it and enjoy it for what
it was and, you know, just

1893
01:51:40,680 --> 01:51:43,600
really become a part of the
story without worrying about how

1894
01:51:43,600 --> 01:51:46,080
it was told here or how it was
done there.

1895
01:51:47,960 --> 01:51:55,240
So but.
It's over.

1896
01:51:55,760 --> 01:51:57,840
Yeah, it's over.
It's done.

1897
01:51:58,000 --> 01:52:00,640
Yeah, I'm not going to lie, has
consumed my month.

1898
01:52:02,600 --> 01:52:06,160
Just your month, Michelle.
Yes, start.

1899
01:52:06,240 --> 01:52:10,360
Yes, from starting from, from
volume 1.

1900
01:52:10,360 --> 01:52:12,320
I mean, that's the only thing
I've been watching for a month.

1901
01:52:12,680 --> 01:52:15,520
Yeah, but you, you.
Every day.

1902
01:52:15,640 --> 01:52:19,320
She was doing conjuration panels
before that.

1903
01:52:19,320 --> 01:52:23,120
Yeah, but that was that.
But I wasn't like every day I'm

1904
01:52:23,120 --> 01:52:30,360
watching re watching, watching
different episodes, listening to

1905
01:52:30,480 --> 01:52:35,160
Lore, listening to recaps in a
nice soothing voice to go to

1906
01:52:35,160 --> 01:52:37,120
sleep on.
This has been every day since

1907
01:52:37,200 --> 01:52:39,760
Thanksgiving.
I mean, I don't, I don't, I

1908
01:52:39,760 --> 01:52:42,480
don't know how to explain waking
up in the middle of the night,

1909
01:52:42,560 --> 01:52:46,440
hearing about Steve.
It's just, it's just.

1910
01:52:47,560 --> 01:52:52,400
And if I have to hear, I'm like
Lucas, if I have to hear running

1911
01:52:52,440 --> 01:52:58,840
up a hill one more goddamn time,
you just make it up a hill.

1912
01:52:59,520 --> 01:53:02,000
I need to make it up here.
That's all I need to know.

1913
01:53:02,000 --> 01:53:04,920
I don't want to hear no more.
I really don't.

1914
01:53:06,840 --> 01:53:09,360
Well, you know, there's.
So I'm good and you know, and I

1915
01:53:09,360 --> 01:53:13,280
love how I love everyone's
little ending.

1916
01:53:13,280 --> 01:53:14,960
I like how Max was telling the
story.

1917
01:53:14,960 --> 01:53:17,320
So I can imagine remember
because I told you that details

1918
01:53:17,320 --> 01:53:22,000
and it was exactly right.
Lucas and Max go off, they

1919
01:53:22,000 --> 01:53:24,680
discover love.
They have multiple children.

1920
01:53:25,480 --> 01:53:27,960
Dustin goes to school, he going
to be a professor.

1921
01:53:29,600 --> 01:53:31,960
They're gonna hang out with
Steve and they're gonna camp.

1922
01:53:32,600 --> 01:53:35,920
Cause Steve, I get away from all
his kids, his six Nuggets.

1923
01:53:36,240 --> 01:53:39,000
Yeah, yeah.
And he thought he had.

1924
01:53:39,080 --> 01:53:42,600
A.
Camp, but I didn't have Yeah, he

1925
01:53:42,600 --> 01:53:43,400
did.
That's why I said you go

1926
01:53:43,400 --> 01:53:47,080
camping.
MM becomes a best selling

1927
01:53:47,120 --> 01:53:49,240
author.
I didn't have a story for Mike,

1928
01:53:49,280 --> 01:53:51,680
so I like the story they created
for Mike.

1929
01:53:51,880 --> 01:53:54,000
I can see that he's a
storyteller.

1930
01:53:54,000 --> 01:53:59,480
He writes stories, Yeah, but I
feel bad again for his wife.

1931
01:53:59,480 --> 01:54:06,560
That's all I have to say.
Yeah, 'cause you know how we say

1932
01:54:06,560 --> 01:54:11,480
Will, You know, like, we we glad
that Will has discovered

1933
01:54:11,480 --> 01:54:13,080
himself.
He's not a victim anymore.

1934
01:54:13,080 --> 01:54:17,440
Like Will has a bright future.
Mike has a bright future.

1935
01:54:17,440 --> 01:54:20,720
But Mike is, is different.
Yeah.

1936
01:54:22,440 --> 01:54:27,360
And everyone else will remember
and and move forward.

1937
01:54:27,920 --> 01:54:30,480
Mike is going to move forward,
but he's going to move forward

1938
01:54:30,480 --> 01:54:32,600
in a different type of way.
It's going to look different on

1939
01:54:32,600 --> 01:54:36,400
him and that's the same.
He's going to still be sad.

1940
01:54:37,600 --> 01:54:41,040
That's why I'm not being funny.
That's why his his wife is not

1941
01:54:41,040 --> 01:54:44,200
going to understand sometimes
where she's be like where are

1942
01:54:44,200 --> 01:54:45,680
you?
Well, you know, he might just

1943
01:54:45,720 --> 01:54:48,480
grow up to be a bachelor, be
like, you know what?

1944
01:54:48,840 --> 01:54:50,800
I'm just not going to do this.
I'm just going to write my

1945
01:54:50,800 --> 01:54:54,360
stories and I'm just going to
hang with my friends and.

1946
01:54:54,600 --> 01:54:57,160
Because he he, he's not going to
be able to commit to anyone.

1947
01:54:57,840 --> 01:55:00,800
Long term, yeah.
Yeah.

1948
01:55:01,400 --> 01:55:03,640
When you're that young and
someone changes your life in

1949
01:55:03,640 --> 01:55:06,320
that way, it's hard It It's
going to be hard to move on,

1950
01:55:06,600 --> 01:55:09,120
especially if you always have it
in the back of your mind that

1951
01:55:09,120 --> 01:55:11,000
she's still out there.
Yeah.

1952
01:55:11,560 --> 01:55:16,440
So, you know, let's hope he goes
on vacation one day, see some

1953
01:55:16,440 --> 01:55:21,560
waterfalls, meets, meets one of
the local girls who happened,

1954
01:55:21,560 --> 01:55:24,240
who just happens to be her going
by a different name.

1955
01:55:24,240 --> 01:55:28,480
And maybe they can, you know,
have their happily ever after.

1956
01:55:28,480 --> 01:55:32,960
But it'll, it'll be some, it'll
be some years down the road, you

1957
01:55:32,960 --> 01:55:36,840
know, give Doctor K time to
either die or decide that she's,

1958
01:55:36,880 --> 01:55:40,320
oh, you know what?
The the girl is gone there.

1959
01:55:40,320 --> 01:55:43,480
There's no chance to take all
the surveillance off of them.

1960
01:55:44,120 --> 01:55:46,880
So yeah, that's, that's my head
cannon.

1961
01:55:47,480 --> 01:55:49,760
So yeah.
So.

1962
01:55:50,680 --> 01:55:55,760
I guess that is it for our
discussion of Stranger Things

1963
01:55:55,800 --> 01:56:00,080
and that is it for our show.
You can find us online at

1964
01:56:00,080 --> 01:56:04,160
www.phantomhybrid.com.
We are on social media, on all

1965
01:56:04,160 --> 01:56:05,800
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1966
01:56:06,000 --> 01:56:08,360
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1967
01:56:08,360 --> 01:56:11,040
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1968
01:56:11,040 --> 01:56:13,760
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1969
01:56:14,160 --> 01:56:15,680
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1970
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