Fandom Hybrid Podcast #106 – The Walking Dead S11E3

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What's up hybrids?
Welcome back to another episode

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of The Phantom hybrid podcast.
This is hanako and I'm here with

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Casey and we are discussing the
third episode of The Walking

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Dead season 11.
And this episode is aptly titled

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hunted and boy oh boy man.
Girl there were so many scary

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moments in this episode with me.
I was like I told you, I feel

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like watching this new season.
I feel like I'm Watching

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back-to-back horror movies.
Yeah, that's the feeling I'm

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getting from it.
I'm not mad at it.

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I'm not mad at it because it's
not as bad.

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Because like I said, I don't
really do horror that much

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anymore.
As I've gotten older, my

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tolerance for certain things
just yet so I can't really do

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horror because I'm one of those
people.

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I have a very vivid imagination,
so whatever I see on the screen,

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I actually dream about that
stuff like I would literally

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read Replay the movie or the TV
show in my head while I sleep,

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but I'll go.
But you like I'm in it sometimes

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so I don't do a lot of horror
but of course is walking dead.

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So I have to do Walking Dead but
yeah y'all don't know what y'all

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doing.
I mean keep doing it but I don't

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know what y'all doing cuz yeah
I'm finding myself like it took

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me almost an hour and a half to
watch this episode.

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All right because I had to keep
pausing life.

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All right.
Get it together.

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I was like y'all can't keep
scaring me like this.

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Y'all can't keep jumping.
When Maggie was walking through

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the mall, speaking of which
shout out to South Lake Mall,

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right up the street from my
house.

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That's where they filmed it.
I actually drove around the mall

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right before they started
feeling.

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So it's like I was there when
they first started setting up

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stuff.
So it's really surreal to see

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what it started as and then what
it ended up as but when she Is

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running in that mall and she was
kind of going around the

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corners.
And I was just like, I was

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expecting somebody to show up
and when that rabid you finally

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showed up behind her girl, I was
like I said, y'all can't be

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stressing me out.
I'm not about to have no heart

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problems over here, fucking with
The Walking Dead, we just never

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know.
That's that old scary movie

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thing where you turn the light
on and they do when you flick

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the lighter and he was behind
her because it first Walker

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scared the shit out of me when
she lost the flashlight.

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That were.
So then when she, you know,

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going up more listening, going
up more listening.

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And then she turn that damn
lighter on hill behind outside

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of my Lord.
I cannot take it.

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But see the thing is I saw him
like creeping up behind her even

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before she turned the light on.
Yeah, I miss because I was like,

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is that I was like, is that a
ravager coming up?

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I was like, oh man, you turn
around back and turn around back

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and turn around because she It
literally just shown us the

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viewers, how unstable those
rails were like, literally she

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she knocked the Walker over it
and it fell down, you know, down

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staircase.
So we had just seen this house.

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Like if he pushes her, it was
chasing me so much in this

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episode so much.
But let's start at the top

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because you got to watch the
episode before I did.

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Now I actually stayed up Night
before trying to, you know, I

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was like okay I'm a watch it
when it first comes out and I

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keep forgetting that it doesn't
come out exactly at midnight

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because they wait until 3 a.m.
that way.

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The people on the west coast.
Can watch it at the same time as

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us, which that sucks for y'all.
Did anybody tell you how to live

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on the west coast?
But anyway, um, so I fell

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asleep.
You messaged me Sunday morning,

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like, have you watched it yet?
I was like, no, I'm getting

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ready.
Watch it now, you like girls and

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first five minutes I was like,
is it that bad?

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And then I remember where we
left off in the last episode and

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I was like, oh, it's some shit
about to go down.

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I was like some people about to
die.

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Now I knew it wasn't going to be
any of our people but still, I

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kind of like Maggie's people.
Yeah.

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And the fact that all of these
people who were on this Mission

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with her, none of her people
made it out.

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None of her people made it out.
I was like, Okay.

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Well, I'm glad it's none of our
people.

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Of course we don't know where
Darrell is yet but we know

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they're not killing Darryl, so
he's safe but none of her people

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made it now.
So you know that's about to

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weigh heavily on her to even
though, you know, in the last

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episode she was talking about
how she had lost part of herself

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and you know, how she had to
adjust dealing with this new

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world.
And, you know, when the whole

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thing with Gauge went down, it
almost looked like, okay, Maggie

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Kind of feeling.
And I know she had to kind of

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maybe give off a Torah so that
she can get done what she needed

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to get done.
But we saw in this episode Megan

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and is unaffected as she wants
everybody to believe, right?

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But this episode starting at the
beginning, man.

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So we pick up where we left off
at the end of the last episode

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with our group being attacked by
the ravagers And there is so

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much chaos.
Everybody is running around.

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People are fighting.
People are getting stabbed shot

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with arrows and all this other
stuff.

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Darrell had a near Miss Maggie's
person, Cole the long-haired

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guy.
He's dead.

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Duncan got hit with like three
knives.

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It's a lot to take that big dude
down.

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Yeah they knew 11 going to make
it work.

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Right Gabriel had the side of
his next.

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Okay.
So I know I was kind of You

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know, I had some words for by
Gabriel in the last episode but

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that don't mean I want him to
die.

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Right.
So when that person has slashed

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his throat, when I tell you, I
wanted to come through this TV

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screen my whole up now.
You can't touch Gabriel Gabriel.

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No fault to get to where he is
now.

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You cannot touch you.
You're all there was so much

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going on in this scene and then
I really like the way.

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That they showcased Maggie in
the same because she's on her

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knees.
And it's almost like, For her

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everything is moving in fast
motion or rather is moving in

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normal time.
But at the same time I feel like

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she was looking at it as slow
motion as well.

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Just the way that they were kind
of panning the camera around her

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with this glow which was really
weird and it had her kind of

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ethereal like and I was like,
okay Maggie can't be injured, or

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Gravely injured and watching
this go down I don't think

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that's what this was but of
Course, we just see that she's

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kind of, it's like one of those
things where she sees her whole

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world falling apart in front of
her, after everything, they just

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went through, in the tunnels, to
try to get everybody through

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safely.
This is what they walk into,

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right?
And there's just so much going

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on Daryl and dog.
Take off after one of the

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ravagers.
Maggie is there in the clearing

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by herself for a moment and
she's like I said, she's looking

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around and There's one sneaking
up behind her and she has picked

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up Elijah's one of his pickaxe
and she turns around and throws

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that thing and it lands in the
tree, right near the dude and he

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looks and then when he turns
around, she is gone.

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I was like, oh, Maggie picking
up some go skills here, but the

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way the ravages of snatching,
the way they snatched up Eliza

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put that rope behind it, and you
were gone.

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Why I said the first five
minutes when I sent you that

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message I was like hey my like
they were selecting folks off

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the air and then when Cheryl she
was left standing there all by

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herself and nobody like
everybody go.

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Everybody go like not even know
bodies is laying around that

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wasn't you?
That mr.

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Goldstein.
This, the way, they filmed that.

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And the way that when it comes
back to Maggie, and she's all by

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herself and she's Looking
around, and no one is there.

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No one.
Now that not nobody laying their

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wounded, nothing right.
Except for that person who

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almost got his face match when
she threw that acts.

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And as soon as he turned to look
at and she was gone, she was

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going.
I was like, what, what are we?

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Yeah, that whole thing was
interesting and then she picks

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up.
We see her walking through the

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parking lot of an Bandon mall.
Like I said, that sounds like

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Mom to us and she goes into this
place.

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And again I'm she's by herself
and she sneaks into this place.

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She starts setting traps just in
case someone follows her and

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somehow they still got in.
You know, I and I'm sure it's a

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mall.
So they probably came in through

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another entrance, they probably
hit, even maybe use that place,

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right?
But everything that went down in

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that mall with, you know, we
discussed it early on in,

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Episode.
We were just like, okay, let's

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get this out.
The way, the jump scares her

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going through the corridors, and
going through the stairwell

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hearing the Walker.
But not actually seeing where it

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came from, or where it was
coming from.

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And then her going up the
staircase, and then, you know,

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kind of putting the flashlight
down.

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So she can see down into the
stairwell.

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I was so expecting for an arrow
to come up at her or I will Is

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just after that episode I was
just at this point, I'm just

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expecting anything.
I really thought she was going

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to look down and there was going
to be a whole bunch of ravagers

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like just coming up the
staircase behind her.

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That's just what I was
expecting.

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I was like okay y'all giving me
too many horror movie Vibes and

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I'm thinking like the scream
person is going to come around

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with his little mask around the
corner and just oh, I was just

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uh uh uh uh it's too much, it's
too much.

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Like you said, one of them
sneaks up behind her, she fights

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him and she actually knocked him
over the rail.

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So Betty by to him I was like,
okay.

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And then you see her sitting
there because they have now made

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it up a few more flights.
You hear her?

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Sing her standing there.
Waiting for the food, right?

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I want to make sure he's dead.
Like he can't come back up the

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stairs after me that part
because, you know, yes, the

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movies that we tend to watch,
you know, somebody would have

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grabbed hold of a rail, been
able to like lift themselves

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over came back after her.
But you know this this Echoes.

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This is going to sound real
weird.

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This Echoes real life a little
bit more.

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Yeah.
And it's weird because we're

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talking about a zombie
apocalypse so but she met Her

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way into a part of the mall
where you know, there's like a

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couple of things that have been
left behind like some

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mannequins, I think a desk and
stuff like that and as she's

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walking, she comes across Alden.
Who has also sought refuge in

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the mall and then as they come
across each other saying that,

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okay, it's a friendly face.
They get attacked by two other

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ravagers and I mean they are
fighting it.

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It out, you know, all and gets
attacked.

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Then somebody comes after Maggie
and Mac is quick on her feet.

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I'm noticing that she thinks
quickly.

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Like, I don't know what kind of
training she's been doing, but

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she's been dodging, some very,
very close calls.

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But the one thing I don't like
about these two ravagers, they

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have both of Elijah's.
I don't even know what you call

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them.
They're not a pickaxe but you

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know his his cookie thingies.
Yes.

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Whatever they're called.
Yeah, and you know, the funny

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thing is, I'm going to remember
what they're called after this

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episode, but I have to think
about it right now.

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Absolutely.
So that bothered me because that

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maybe means that Elijah's dead
as well.

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And the one thing, one thing I
don't like about this show is

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that they introduce characters
to us and they and I know that's

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probably what the nature
supposed to be, because this is

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what probably happens in these
kinds of circumstances.

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Dances in Wartime.
And, you know, when you're in an

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area that's been ravaged and
random people can come together,

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partner up to kind of survive
and you get to know these people

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and then they just snatch him
away from you.

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Like, Elijah has so much
potential coming into the season

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because everybody was like, hold
up, who is the masked ninja,

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dude?
And now, it looks like he might

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be gone because these two
ravagers have they each have one

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of his weapons.
Ying go.

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Help me, find anyone, I know,
but as the, the ravager that's

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fight and Maggie gets ready to
push this thing into her.

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She is able to kind of kick him
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She grabs a bottle that's kind
of laying a little bit of ways

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from her.
She breaks it and then she digs

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it in his head and even as he
injured, he's trying to lift up

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one more time so that he can try
to stab her and here comes Megan

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from the back, but then I tell
you in the last episode, he's to

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save her.
He's gonna save her absolutely

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has to.
Yeah, I mean, I think at this

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point, it's just one of those
things where, okay, lesser of

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two evils, I would rather deal
with her, then I would rather

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deal with them and he says, is
much later on in this scene

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because after he saves her, they
realize that Alden is hurt and

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as they go to try to help him,
they realize that there's

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something about to be set off.
I thought it was a bomb in first

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girl.
When I tell you, that thing went

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off, I started screaming on Mike
I was like, I didn't know, know

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what the fuck then I realized it
was it was a smoke bomb.

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I was like okay he's not dead
cuz I'm just I'm not ready to

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say goodbye to any of them at
this point.

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It's too early in the season, we
have 24 episodes.

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Give us at least a little bit
more.

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I don't know.
Give us one or two more episodes

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before you completely yank the
rug from under us.

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We already know we going to lose
people like, it's gonna know,

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it's all right.
Because, you know, we find

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towards the end of this episode
that that may happen.

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But you know we'll get there
right?

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But as the Smoke Clears we see,
Negan magon and Alden.

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And of course, Alden is hurt has
been stabbed looks like a couple

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of times in the stomach and this
is the beginning of where I said

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we see that Maggie's not as
unaffected as she claims because

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if you think about You know, all
the Miss hurt, probably Gravely

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yet she still makes the decision
that, okay?

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We need to pick him up and take
him, we need to leave.

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And Negan is like, wait, are you
still talking about?

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We keep on going and she's like,
yes, we need to get that food

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back to Alexandria and he's
like, even neither has his

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stopping point, right?
He's like these people are

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crazy.
They just showed you that

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they're crazy, and you still
want to go fight them.

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And she's like, look, look, we
need that food for Alexandra.

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You got a better plan and he's
just looking at her.

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She was like, yeah, that's what
I thought he had now.

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This time he don't right, and
the thing is, it's not it's not

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even combative.
Like he's trying to be, I won't

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say the reasonable.
Well, yeah, he's trying to be

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the reasonable voice and just
like he said, he said, I know

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theatrics, these people just
told us exactly how in saying

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they are.
We can't be on the road.

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We can't be on any roads that
they would.

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Choose and she was like, well
you tell me I'm playing that

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doesn't starve us all and he's
just there and he tells her I am

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on your side Maggie and then
she's like, okay, then help me

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with him.
Because again Megan, you know,

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we've talked about this, we've
been going back and forth about

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the whole morality issue when it
comes to Negan and what he did

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and how Maggie is reacting to
him and everything else.

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So one of the things that made
nigun a good leader, I won't say

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he was great.
But Again, he had thousands of

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people in his community and for
the most part, he kept them safe

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because he had rules and he
enforce those rules, okay?

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And one of the things about
Negan is, sometimes you have to

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sacrifice.
Yep.

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In order to keep things moving
along in order to keep things

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going.
And I think that's one of the

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things that we we slowly start
to learn as we see him and

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Maggie, kind of go back.
Can force a little bit more.

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Niggas whole thing was and all
this says is later on an episode

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when they're talking his whole
thing was, yeah, we had to get

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shit done now, if I had to kill
one person to make a point to

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get everything done to get
everybody to fall in line, then

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that's what I did.
And again we can see here and

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talk morals and ethics and right
or wrong all we want to the

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rules are going to change.
Somewhat slightly, when you're

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in the situations that they are
in my, especially considering

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you have to think about it.
Laura, was there with Negan the

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whole time and if you remember
the, here's Negan episode

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Laura's father was the doctor
that had the Mobile Medical

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unit.
That nigga was trying to get the

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chemotherapy from any.
And in that episode, we saw that

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there were some bad people, they
captured Negan.

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They found out where the doctor
was, They took him, they beat

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him.
We can only imagine what they

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did to lower because you could
kind of hear a little bit of it

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on the trailer when Negan left
to go.

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Try to take the chemotherapy
medicine to Lucille, you know,

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we can hear what was going on
whether she was just being

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beaten, whether she was being
raped, whatever the case may be.

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Now at some point, he did come
back after Lucille died because

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he wanted to kill the person who
kept him from getting the

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medicine to her.
And that's where we kind of I

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started to see the shift from
him, but whatever he had to do

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at that point, we know Laura
stayed with him and it didn't

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look like she stayed with him
like she's being forced to stay

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with him.
So at some point I'm assuming

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and we kind of get a little bit
of the back story throughout the

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last few seasons.
But we know that there was

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another group that was in charge
of the sanctuary and basically

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million had to fight the leader
of the group in order to become

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the leader of the savior's.
So there Some leadership

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qualities in him.
He knows how to make decisions

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that will benefit the larger
group.

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Yeah, the thing is, Maggie knows
how to do that, too.

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And it's almost like their roles
have kind of reversed, and

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that's not saying that Negan is
becoming a good person and

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Maggie is becoming a bad person.
No, it's just that.

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Now, we're being put in the
position where we see they are

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two sides of the same coin in
some ways.

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Like there are times you have to
make really, really crappy

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decisions.
In order to keep everybody safe.

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That's what Maggie had to do
with Gage, but at the same time,

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Alden is a resource.
And that's one of the things,

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you know, I was going back and
looking at some of the clips

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from Negan, especially after
last week's episode, we were

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talking about the confessions
with him and father, Gabriel.

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One of the things Negan has
always said, is, people are

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resource nigga doesn't kill
people needlessly.

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Learn Cuz people are resource to
him, right?

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I think Maggie has a little bit
of the same thought process.

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If not in the same way, you
know, because Gage would have

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been a drain on them.
He had already proved that he

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was a coward.
He had already proved that he

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would have left them to die.
If given the chance, if, you

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know, if it came to a choice,
like if either, one of them was

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on the other side of that wall
or that door, he would look into

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He probably would have left them
too but the difference is he

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would have left somebody that
actually contributed to the

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survival of the group, right?
And he was not that and I

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understand 100%, why Maggie made
the decision that she did?

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Was it pretty?
No.

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Was it necessary?
Probably great.

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Same thing here with Alden,
she's not willing to leave him

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behind because Alden has
contributed even Remember all

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that used to be a savior.
He was one of the people when

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they got captured and was
brought to Hilltop, he was the

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one that was kind of pleading
with Maggie.

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And Maggie was very nasty to him
at that time and she fought him

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every step of the way he was
trying to broker.

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Peace between his group of
Saviors and her people and even

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when she was mean to him, when
she was nasty to him, and she

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had every right to be at that
point, right?

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He still didn't change.
And I think she eventually saw

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that in him and as we've seen
Alden kind of grow with the

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community.
He is a resource.

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She can't just leave him behind
like that.

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But yeah, so Maggie's going to
have to make a decision with all

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them because we see his hurt and
we see that it's not a simple

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injury because later on they get
cornered by some Walker's.

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Now Alden, here's the thing, he
can still fight but we see that

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it is One point, she's going to
have to make a decision but

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before we get to those kind of
tough things, I have to say best

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part of the episode.
We finally got to see the kids

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interact.
That was the best part of the

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episode and ain't a smart.
They know what the hell's going

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on here, they come okay.
Children, but here's the thing,

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the to it's not even necessarily
in An adult conversation they

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were kids talking like kids.
Because think about it, when you

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were a kid and your mom told you
this that and the other you go

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to your friends, man, my mama
made me sick, she keep telling

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me that out of their shell.
My was she talking about?

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Because, of course, it's seven,
eight, ten year olds, we know

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everything right, but just being
able to see Judith and RJ and

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Herschel, and Gracie, having fun
being kids, they're sitting

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there playing card games.
Hershel is talking, I was so

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glad to hear more than Whereas
come out of his mouth.

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It's like finally we're going to
some conversation between them.

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We get to hear RJ talk a little
bit.

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Yeah, it was fun but yeah, they
did have a conversation where,

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you know, Herschel a student.
He says, do you ever worry about

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your mom when she goes away?
And Judas, like, I'm used to it.

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She says, grown-ups are always
running off doing things and

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this she makes these little
funny promise to see you soon.

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Love you, right?
What is this?

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This part of the episode made me
so happy.

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But then Herschel he says,
that's the kind of stuff that

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used to say in the olden times,
right?

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I was like, excuse me sir, we
are not that old.

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I understand.
This is the only world that, you

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know, but this apocalypse is 19
years old back in.

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With my mom was a kid right four
score and seven.

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Here's why we are not that old
boo, but you do see a little bit

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more maturity with Herschel
because you have to think about

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it.
He's been with Maggie this whole

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time.
So chances are, he's had to see

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a lot of the stuff that she's
had to do especially when you

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think about the story that she
told about the guy.

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I mean, I'm pretty sure there
might not have been a very good

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way for her to keep that from
him.

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So you No, we get a little
wisdom from him, you know, they

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can't promise it now, but they
say it anyways.

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And Judas says, they just don't
want us to think they're not

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coming back is supposed to make
us feel better.

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He says they say it to make
themselves feel better.

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I was like oh listen to the
right.

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Tell me how you really feel.
That's right.

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Ryan, listen to the wisdom
coming from Young Glen but then

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Judas says, my mom always comes
back and RJ's like, yeah.

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So I feel like that's a little
bit of foreshadowing.

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We get Michonne back this
season.

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Dammit scared.
They will not make her say

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something like that and then not
bring Michonne back.

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I told you, I'm looking for
every little thing in this

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season, like all still, not a
picked up a pencil.

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What does that mean?
Now, you know, no one will be

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more excited than me if
Michelle's, and of course, know

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what I'm gonna have to spoil
that if you don't watch it, I

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will probably hear you screaming
from your house, you Katie.

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And I live like seven miles from
each other.

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So yeah, I would probably hear
you scream from your house.

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You definitely will like, oh my
God.

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See.
I'm gonna let me go watch this

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episode.
If you would.

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It would be mandatory.
We would have to talk about it

445
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,500
that now.
Oh yeah, definitely definitely.

446
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,200
Like come on, get on this
podcast.

447
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:54,000
Let's go.
Let's go.

448
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,000
Right.
But back in Alexandria.

449
00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:00,900
They're still trying to fix the
wall and Carol has apparently

450
00:27:00,900 --> 00:27:04,500
been out because they are or
caroling Kelly.

451
00:27:04,500 --> 00:27:08,700
I should say they've been out.
I'm assuming they've been out

452
00:27:08,700 --> 00:27:12,100
looking for Connie still but
also their horses.

453
00:27:12,300 --> 00:27:14,700
Have run off.
I'm pretty sure the horse is

454
00:27:14,700 --> 00:27:19,000
probably, would let go by Alpha
and their group when they, you

455
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,600
know, when they knock down the
Walls, there was nothing holding

456
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:26,800
them in.
So Aaron kind of him and Carol,

457
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:30,800
have a little bit of a, I was an
argument just a little bit of a

458
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:32,900
disagreement because she was
supposed to be there, helping

459
00:27:32,900 --> 00:27:37,700
them rebuild the wall and she
prioritized other things.

460
00:27:38,100 --> 00:27:41,700
And so you see them having kind
of a discussion about it about

461
00:27:41,700 --> 00:27:44,700
what's important.
And what's not and you can see

462
00:27:44,700 --> 00:27:49,500
Carol is, she looks like she is
barely holding on at this point.

463
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,800
You know, everybody's starving.
There's no food.

464
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:58,500
The walls are down and then
thinking about how much time

465
00:27:58,500 --> 00:28:02,200
she's been spending with Kelly,
she's looking for Connie because

466
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:03,800
she still feels guilty.
Yep.

467
00:28:04,100 --> 00:28:06,900
And you can tell Kelly doesn't
hold anything against her.

468
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,500
He is what still I think.
She's probably still gonna be.

469
00:28:11,700 --> 00:28:14,700
She's gonna To be unsure of
herself in a where she fits in

470
00:28:14,700 --> 00:28:18,600
with the community until she has
some closure on that front.

471
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:23,000
I feel, whether they find Connie
alive, or whether they find

472
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,300
Connie dead.
I just think at this point, she

473
00:28:25,300 --> 00:28:29,600
needs that closure so that she
can move forward and figure out

474
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,300
what's going to happen with her
relationship with Daryl because

475
00:28:32,300 --> 00:28:34,700
she and dad were again.
They're not really speaking to

476
00:28:34,708 --> 00:28:37,900
each other right now.
Darryl is still pissed because,

477
00:28:37,900 --> 00:28:42,100
you know, we know it had a happy
yet but call me was kind of sort

478
00:28:42,100 --> 00:28:43,900
of The way to becoming a boo
thing.

479
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,200
You have my boo thing trapped in
the cave in.

480
00:28:50,300 --> 00:28:55,000
Yeah, I can hear the Carol and
Daryl people now know, But I

481
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:59,100
like the idea of Daryl with
Connie something different.

482
00:28:59,100 --> 00:29:03,200
I mean, considering where we met
Darryl and what he was like when

483
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,700
we met him and the person he is
now I think Connie will be a

484
00:29:06,708 --> 00:29:08,600
good fit for him.
I do.

485
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:14,500
But I also think that if, as you
say we think one of the ravages

486
00:29:14,500 --> 00:29:22,100
of someone from his past whom we
don't see because I think I

487
00:29:22,100 --> 00:29:28,200
personally think if one of Is
Leah, Darrell has because I do

488
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,600
we know how much time has passed
from the time.

489
00:29:31,100 --> 00:29:34,700
It hasn't been the whole time
because it was right after Rick

490
00:29:34,700 --> 00:29:38,200
past that, or Rick left that he
met her.

491
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,900
So how much time has it's been
some years?

492
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:45,000
It's been a few years, okay?
Because I think from the time

493
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,200
that rig disappeared to the time
that were met Leah, if I

494
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:52,300
remember the way the timeline
kind of count it down in that

495
00:29:52,300 --> 00:29:55,200
episode probably About a year
and a half.

496
00:29:55,300 --> 00:29:58,300
Okay.
And then she left, he came back

497
00:29:58,300 --> 00:30:03,300
to Alexandria and then I mean,
Michelle was still pregnant at

498
00:30:03,300 --> 00:30:05,200
that time, and she had just had
RJ.

499
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:10,300
So it hasn't been about 45 years
because I think RJ at this point

500
00:30:10,300 --> 00:30:14,400
is about five, right?
Okay, so yeah, so then if she

501
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:18,900
does so happen to be is that
still unresolved issues right

502
00:30:18,900 --> 00:30:22,600
there?
So that that is going to be a

503
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,400
very interesting.
Folding when that finally

504
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:29,400
happens, if is revealed to be
her, it's gonna be interesting.

505
00:30:29,500 --> 00:30:33,600
But at the same time, I don't
think it will affect much simply

506
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:37,500
because we see what the ravagers
do to people.

507
00:30:37,500 --> 00:30:42,100
And just from what Maggie
describes, if she's falling in

508
00:30:42,100 --> 00:30:45,700
with those type of people and
that's what she's doing.

509
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:47,500
Yeah, daring, go on.
Fuck with her.

510
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,500
You think they like you
literally come in.

511
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,200
Mmm.
You come in the middle of the

512
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:54,700
night.
You killed People while they're

513
00:30:54,700 --> 00:30:58,400
sleeping, you take all of their
things, you string them up in

514
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,400
the trees and leave them there
for other people to find.

515
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,000
That's a whole different level
of sadistic.

516
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:07,700
That's the kind of behavior that
you would expect from people,

517
00:31:07,700 --> 00:31:12,200
like maybe the claimers, maybe
not to that extreme, but they

518
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,800
were kind of on that level and
you saw how Dara was when he was

519
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,700
with them.
Like he didn't want to be with

520
00:31:17,700 --> 00:31:20,200
them.
But at that point, you know,

521
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,900
yeah, they have been split up
from everybody.

522
00:31:22,900 --> 00:31:26,000
He had lost Ben.
If he doesn't have nothing else,

523
00:31:26,500 --> 00:31:28,900
nowhere else to go because he
didn't know who was still alive

524
00:31:28,900 --> 00:31:30,900
from the prison.
I guess that.

525
00:31:30,900 --> 00:31:35,200
Yeah I guess that makes sense.
But yeah if he has a choice and

526
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:39,900
even if she has a plausible
explanation like okay well they

527
00:31:39,900 --> 00:31:42,400
made me be with them or else
they were going to kill me okay?

528
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:46,900
I can understand that but still
it's like I don't know I don't I

529
00:31:46,908 --> 00:31:52,000
don't see that being as
meaningful a relationship as

530
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,700
these other people because he's
had you Years with some of these

531
00:31:55,700 --> 00:31:58,000
other people.
Even at this point, I think

532
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:02,000
Connie and her crew have been
there for maybe a year, maybe a

533
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,500
little bit over a year.
And we see that there is a

534
00:32:04,500 --> 00:32:07,400
little bit of, if not even
romance.

535
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,400
There is a friendship.
There, there's a lot of trust

536
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,000
there.
I mean, think about it, when dad

537
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,900
was going to the kingdom, he
left, Dogwood Connie.

538
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,600
He was like, yeah, I can you
watch my dog for me with no

539
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,800
hesitation, you know, and I
think, part of that is because

540
00:32:22,100 --> 00:32:25,500
when Lydia ran away Henry,
rather.

541
00:32:25,500 --> 00:32:29,900
When they ran away and Darrell
was going to look for them, she

542
00:32:29,900 --> 00:32:32,100
was the only one that
volunteered to go with him.

543
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:36,400
And when he tried to refuse, she
asserted herself, she was like,

544
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:42,000
no, I'm good.
And for someone from Daryl's

545
00:32:42,300 --> 00:32:46,200
background, that'll probably
didn't have a lot of experience

546
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:51,200
with Ron speaking people or
anyone in that Community, you

547
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,500
know.
And even if he did, he probably

548
00:32:53,500 --> 00:32:56,400
wouldn't have Pay her, no kind
of attention back then because

549
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,900
she's a black woman think about
who his brother was, and, you

550
00:32:59,900 --> 00:33:03,200
know, Merle had to get that
attitude from somewhere most

551
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,700
likely their father.
Think about the way Darrell

552
00:33:05,700 --> 00:33:09,400
described his father in that
episode, where him, he and Beth

553
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,900
found that abandoned house.
His father was straight redneck,

554
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,000
so this would have never caused
a radar.

555
00:33:16,300 --> 00:33:20,400
So that kind of shows you also
his growth and then also him

556
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,800
taking the time to learn how to
sign and a zombie.

557
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:28,000
It looks like how do you even
write, you know, you're right

558
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:32,600
but for him to care enough to do
that because I don't really see

559
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,300
too many other people signed to
her.

560
00:33:34,300 --> 00:33:37,400
I think I've seen Carol signed
to her a little bit but you

561
00:33:37,408 --> 00:33:39,600
don't really see that with other
people because you don't see her

562
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,400
interact with a lot of the other
people when she does.

563
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,400
She's always riding and they're
speaking because she can read

564
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,000
lips.
So just the fact that he's

565
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,000
taking that kind of effort with
her.

566
00:33:50,100 --> 00:33:52,300
Yeah, I think that the potential
is there.

567
00:33:54,300 --> 00:33:56,800
Leah.
I don't know.

568
00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:02,300
I just I feel like she was good
for him in the place where he

569
00:34:02,300 --> 00:34:06,400
was at that time because he was
in a hopeless place.

570
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:10,300
He was kind of ready to give up.
He didn't want to go back to

571
00:34:10,300 --> 00:34:14,199
Alexandria because that was too
painful for him to be around

572
00:34:14,199 --> 00:34:16,500
people who he associated with
Rick.

573
00:34:17,100 --> 00:34:19,800
So I think she was good for him
at that time but as far as

574
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:24,000
something long-lasting at, I
mean, as long lasting as you can

575
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,900
have in this type of world I
just don't think that.

576
00:34:27,900 --> 00:34:30,300
I just don't think she's being
gay.

577
00:34:30,300 --> 00:34:34,400
I would have to put that with
either Connie or Carol and with

578
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:38,400
Carol, I don't have an objection
to them being together.

579
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:44,100
I just really don't think it
makes a lot of sense, given

580
00:34:44,100 --> 00:34:49,500
everything that they have been
through, especially the falling

581
00:34:49,500 --> 00:34:54,000
outs, right?
They always felt more, like best

582
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:59,400
friends, siblings, A live, they
took care of each other in that

583
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,800
way.
Now, if I thought about it hard

584
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,000
enough, remember people said the
same thing about Rick and

585
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:09,100
Michonne like, nah they more,
you know, they never looked at

586
00:35:09,100 --> 00:35:13,900
them as a romantic couple.
They've always even, you know,

587
00:35:13,900 --> 00:35:18,000
their interaction, sometimes
people were like dependent

588
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,800
relationship out, you know, they
weren't they didn't see man.

589
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:26,400
Please, I don't know what they
were looking at because even

590
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,500
when I went back last summer,
when this pandemic started, I

591
00:35:29,500 --> 00:35:33,400
went back and started the entire
series from the beginning and I

592
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,800
went back and watch because it
had been a while since I watched

593
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:39,300
like the earlier episodes.
But I felt like there's always

594
00:35:39,300 --> 00:35:41,400
been something between them and
they especially.

595
00:35:42,100 --> 00:35:46,300
Yeah, you know.
There was a lot of I felt like

596
00:35:46,300 --> 00:35:48,400
there was a lot of respect
between the two.

597
00:35:48,700 --> 00:35:55,000
Yeah, and then watching her with
Carl and her building that

598
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:59,700
friendship with him, And seeing
how they interact with each

599
00:35:59,700 --> 00:36:02,500
other.
I think Rick probably saw it,

600
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:06,100
but didn't think about it.
You know what I'm saying?

601
00:36:06,100 --> 00:36:08,800
Because I really don't think
Rick was looking for any kind of

602
00:36:08,808 --> 00:36:11,000
romance.
And then, of course, when they

603
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:16,100
get to Alexandria, and he meets
Jesse.

604
00:36:16,300 --> 00:36:18,200
Yeah.
And when they got to Alexandra,

605
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,000
he needs Jesse.
That's familiar to him.

606
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:26,200
You know what I'm saying?
So, because even though I never

607
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:30,600
took Rick as the redneck tight,
but Rick lived in a small town.

608
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:35,100
I mean, if you look at the
episode where we saw Lori

609
00:36:35,100 --> 00:36:38,500
picking Carla from school, most
of those kids were white.

610
00:36:38,500 --> 00:36:41,100
So they probably lived in a
majority white neighborhood.

611
00:36:41,100 --> 00:36:43,400
He probably never even thought
about, oh, let me hook up with

612
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,800
this sister, you know.
Okay, okay.

613
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:52,400
Well yeah, I always felt that
with him, Not the top.

614
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,600
But yeah, yeah, I always felt
that with them.

615
00:36:55,600 --> 00:37:00,100
But, I mean, we'll see which way
it goes with Daryl because yes,

616
00:37:00,100 --> 00:37:04,600
I do believe that Leah is one of
the ravagers.

617
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:08,100
That might even be the ravager
that he chased in the woods.

618
00:37:08,100 --> 00:37:10,100
I mean, dog.
When asked, you know, whoever

619
00:37:10,100 --> 00:37:15,300
that person was so maybe we'll
get that reveal sooner rather

620
00:37:15,300 --> 00:37:19,100
than later and they can kind of
put that to rest everybody.

621
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:23,900
I almost want to go to IMDb and
see if There's anything on there

622
00:37:24,300 --> 00:37:27,400
but I'm like, you know, I'm not
gonna do it, I'm not gonna do

623
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,500
it.
I'm not gonna do it.

624
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:34,200
So gu right, but going back to
what we were originally talking

625
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:37,600
about with Carol.
In this episode again, you get

626
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:44,000
to see a little bit more of the
bonding with Magna and Carol and

627
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:48,100
Kelly and even Rosita, and I
like seeing this because you

628
00:37:48,107 --> 00:37:50,900
don't get to see that a lot with
everything going on.

629
00:37:50,900 --> 00:37:54,800
I like the Could they are
focusing more on those things in

630
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:59,200
this season because, yes, the
community has been devastated.

631
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,800
They're trying to rebuild.
And everybody is kind of focused

632
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,800
on all this, but to kind of see
that, okay?

633
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:09,000
We can't rebuild the big things.
If we don't start rebuilding the

634
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:15,200
small things so seeing Magna and
Kelly kind of talking and Magna

635
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:19,400
is, you know, one of the things
about magne magne was very feral

636
00:38:19,500 --> 00:38:24,300
when we first met her.
And to see her now, you can see

637
00:38:24,300 --> 00:38:27,600
a little bit more of a softness
about her like, she's so tough.

638
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,800
But you can see a nurturing
about her like when it comes to

639
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:37,400
Kelly and then even in the
episode, when Carol is so

640
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,400
focused on trying to find the
remainder of the horses, because

641
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,900
as they're looking for them,
they find some of their horses.

642
00:38:42,900 --> 00:38:49,600
And those horses girl, like,
when butcher those couldn't have

643
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,900
been, because they don't look
like they were devoured by by

644
00:38:52,900 --> 00:38:56,300
Walkers.
They look like they were cut,

645
00:38:56,300 --> 00:38:57,300
mmm.
Okay.

646
00:38:57,900 --> 00:39:06,400
I just want to make that mean
well because the horses will

647
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:10,600
provide what the community needs
getting them food.

648
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:15,100
Like Carol said, we need the
horses in order to carts heavier

649
00:39:15,100 --> 00:39:18,600
pieces for the wall because they
can't do that on Manpower alone

650
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,100
right now especially considering
the fact that everybody is

651
00:39:21,100 --> 00:39:24,700
starving.
So those horses star resource

652
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,000
and how do you cut down a
community?

653
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,100
You start.
Resources.

654
00:39:29,300 --> 00:39:30,400
Right.
Okay.

655
00:39:30,700 --> 00:39:37,100
You know you make them so weak
not just by starving but as

656
00:39:37,100 --> 00:39:40,000
everybody is starving, they're
going to start fighting.

657
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,000
There's going to be some
discontent when you start

658
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,900
fighting amongst each other,
you're not looking for the

659
00:39:46,900 --> 00:39:50,000
outside Intruders, right?
Too, busy focusing on what's

660
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,800
going on on the inside.
That's the quickest way to break

661
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,900
down a community, you know?
If you were going to come in and

662
00:39:55,900 --> 00:39:58,900
take it, which I don't know why
the RAV Age is would even need

663
00:39:58,900 --> 00:40:01,400
to come and take you because
they've already taken Meridian,

664
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,800
Meridian has food water right
supplier point.

665
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:06,800
They just trying to hold on to,
right?

666
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:08,800
So at this point, it's kind of
like why are y'all even

667
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,300
bothering?
But you know, how it is with

668
00:40:11,300 --> 00:40:14,400
some of these people?
Them having what they have is

669
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,800
not enough, they've got to go
take from someone else.

670
00:40:16,900 --> 00:40:22,000
Unfortunately, that is human
nature and it's like one of the

671
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,700
big things about this show.
We've seen that with a lot of

672
00:40:24,700 --> 00:40:28,700
different antagonist, but I like
saying, The relationship

673
00:40:28,700 --> 00:40:32,500
building within the women and
then you see them really

674
00:40:32,500 --> 00:40:36,100
respecting each other enough to
talk to each other.

675
00:40:36,100 --> 00:40:38,400
When they don't agree with each
other, like it used to be,

676
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:42,300
especially with Rosita, like,
being a mama, has made Rosita, a

677
00:40:42,300 --> 00:40:50,300
lot nicer, because he's always
been a bit nice.

678
00:40:50,500 --> 00:40:54,800
She just has that tough
exterior, but I don't know this,

679
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,800
something about her and Magna
that I see.

680
00:40:57,900 --> 00:41:00,500
Like I said, this whole
nurturing thing, we don't get to

681
00:41:00,508 --> 00:41:04,100
see enough of it in the show
because they're always fighting

682
00:41:04,100 --> 00:41:05,600
fighting fighting fighting
fighting.

683
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,900
But you get to see that that
kind of attitude and that kind

684
00:41:08,900 --> 00:41:12,800
of behavior towards each other.
It's going to go a long way when

685
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:17,900
it comes time to fight when it
comes time to rebuild because

686
00:41:17,900 --> 00:41:19,700
they will have that trust for
each other.

687
00:41:19,700 --> 00:41:21,400
They will have that compassion
for each other.

688
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,200
They will have that care for
each other, to make sure that

689
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:28,200
everybody's taken care of.
And it's not just, you know, Man

690
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,400
for himself type of thing,
right?

691
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:34,400
And they've been together so
long at this point to, you know,

692
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:38,700
everybody knows everybody and
you know, write and they if they

693
00:41:38,700 --> 00:41:40,600
still think of each other as
family.

694
00:41:41,300 --> 00:41:43,600
Yeah.
Like so even when you fight with

695
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:45,600
your family, or are you with
your family or, you know,

696
00:41:45,900 --> 00:41:49,900
whatever, at the end of the day,
y'all have one common goal and

697
00:41:49,900 --> 00:41:51,700
y'all still family.
Yeah.

698
00:41:52,300 --> 00:41:55,700
But thank you to it was, It was
kind of sad when Magnolia

699
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:59,200
approach Carol and she was like,
I need you to give it up, stop

700
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:02,700
giving Kelly hope and Carol was
like, you know, I would have

701
00:42:02,700 --> 00:42:04,800
thought you wanted to find
Connie alive.

702
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,700
And I think, at this point,
Magnus, she kind of feels like,

703
00:42:07,700 --> 00:42:11,200
okay, if she hasn't shown up by
now, she's not going to show up.

704
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,200
I mean, think about it.
They've gone through a whole

705
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,900
spring.
They've gone through a winter

706
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:20,600
because when Magna came in, when
they figured out, she was alive.

707
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:24,200
She came in with the horde that
the whisper is Unleashed on a

708
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:28,200
Hilltop early on.
So that was way before the On,

709
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:32,000
that was way before, the
carnival way before, the

710
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:37,500
carnival way before the winter
blizzard where they had to

711
00:42:37,500 --> 00:42:40,800
escape, you know, they had to
leave Kingdom behind.

712
00:42:41,500 --> 00:42:44,100
And yeah.
So it's been at least a year.

713
00:42:44,100 --> 00:42:46,100
Connie has been gone for a long
time.

714
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:49,700
Oh yeah.
It has been a long term so I can

715
00:42:49,700 --> 00:42:52,800
understand Magma's attitude.
Like look, it's been this long.

716
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,900
If she was alive, she would have
found her way to us.

717
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,200
It's not like kind of didn't
know where Alexandra was no.

718
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:02,000
But in the same vein, same thing
happened to Rick.

719
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:06,100
Thank you why.
He ain't gone home yet true but

720
00:43:06,100 --> 00:43:07,600
we don't know what's going on
with Rick.

721
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,400
We know that he was alive when
he got on that helicopter, that

722
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,300
does not necessarily mean he's
alive.

723
00:43:12,300 --> 00:43:15,700
Now, we know he was alive on
that boat, that Michonne found

724
00:43:15,700 --> 00:43:21,100
his little phone and his boots
come on now, you know, we not

725
00:43:21,100 --> 00:43:24,900
know.
I know, you know, they don't

726
00:43:24,900 --> 00:43:27,700
know.
I know, I'm just ready.

727
00:43:27,900 --> 00:43:31,000
Things to start happening.
I mean, they are happening but

728
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:36,100
you know, you feel like because
we at the end like you want to

729
00:43:36,107 --> 00:43:40,500
flip to the last page of the
book, you know, to see how it

730
00:43:40,500 --> 00:43:44,400
ends like rebound happily ever
after last page.

731
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,200
I mean, we know that's not all
of his men will be happily ever

732
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:50,700
after but you know, we can hold.
Hmm.

733
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:55,400
Oh, and speaking of Rosita.
Hmm, her and her dream about

734
00:43:55,400 --> 00:44:04,100
Abraham, okay. okay, so, you
know I was like, oh, Damn, he

735
00:44:04,100 --> 00:44:08,200
comes to me and my dream and he
trying to tell me something

736
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:12,700
good, you know I need to see if
this was one of the episodes,

737
00:44:12,700 --> 00:44:17,000
Michael Cutlass directed because
he's supposed to be directing, I

738
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:21,700
think maybe one or two of the
episodes this season but yeah.

739
00:44:21,700 --> 00:44:24,500
So I wonder if this is one of
the episodes that Michael

740
00:44:24,500 --> 00:44:28,700
Cutlass directed, that would be
funny like you're giving a nod

741
00:44:28,700 --> 00:44:33,400
to yourself in your episode.
I don't know, it's kind of that

742
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:38,300
kind of worries me because she's
dreaming about him and she says

743
00:44:38,300 --> 00:44:41,900
that he's trying to warn her
about something but she doesn't

744
00:44:41,900 --> 00:44:44,400
know what it is.
And she says, every time that

745
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:47,900
she thinks she's going to find
out he gets shot in the head and

746
00:44:47,900 --> 00:44:50,300
like Carol said, cares?
Like that's dark.

747
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:54,700
But what does it mean?
Again, I'm looking for all the

748
00:44:54,700 --> 00:44:59,300
little Clues now, so they can't
just be randomly bringing up.

749
00:44:59,300 --> 00:45:02,500
People like yeah, we know.
No, Michonne is still

750
00:45:02,500 --> 00:45:05,600
technically a big part of the
show because her kids are there,

751
00:45:05,700 --> 00:45:09,200
but for Judith to speak about
her and say, yeah, my mom always

752
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:13,000
comes back that's not
coincidence for Rosita to

753
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:17,100
mention Abraham in this episode.
After like she almost never

754
00:45:17,100 --> 00:45:19,700
spoke of Abraham after Sasha
died.

755
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:23,900
Because really, who was, she
talked to about Abraham, nobody,

756
00:45:24,300 --> 00:45:27,700
so the fact that she mentioned
him in this episode, you know,

757
00:45:27,700 --> 00:45:31,200
we wondered if we would see some
flashbacks or something like

758
00:45:31,300 --> 00:45:34,800
That was some of the characters
before the end of the season, he

759
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:36,700
may come to her in a dream
sequence.

760
00:45:36,700 --> 00:45:41,600
Like we may actually see one of
her dreams act out, I mean, but

761
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:48,000
you do also many baby spoiler.
Only because I saw it somewhere

762
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:54,300
my been on comic book website,
but they showed a picture of

763
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,800
Rosita and one of the
Commonwealth students.

764
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:03,600
So I don't know what that means
but there is a saying that

765
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:06,000
picture.
Yes, there's a picture of her in

766
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:09,100
the Commonwealth to so you're
right.

767
00:46:09,100 --> 00:46:13,600
Not sure if that, you know, has
something to do with it, you

768
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:16,500
know, her moving on to
Commonwealth, okay.

769
00:46:16,500 --> 00:46:19,800
But some kind of way she ends up
there because remember, it was a

770
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:21,400
long as trip for them to get
there.

771
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:23,800
Yeah.
So some kind of way, you know,

772
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:30,400
Rosita I guess is going to leave
or maybe Communities merge or

773
00:46:31,300 --> 00:46:33,300
something.
Because I don't think proceeded

774
00:46:33,300 --> 00:46:36,100
would leave Alexandria.
I don't know because Coco's

775
00:46:36,100 --> 00:46:40,900
their father Gabriel's there.
She's not just gone, you know.

776
00:46:40,900 --> 00:46:44,200
Yeah, I don't think she's and
you know, she was a she's always

777
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:47,100
been that like you say that
rebellious ones and then when

778
00:46:47,100 --> 00:46:51,100
she tried to shoot me, get that.
So you know, she ain't just, you

779
00:46:51,100 --> 00:46:54,900
know, going to sit back and sit
by while stuff is happening,

780
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,100
right?
So some something is going to

781
00:46:57,100 --> 00:46:59,600
happen to cause them.
Um, two to go.

782
00:46:59,700 --> 00:47:01,500
Hmm.
Yeah.

783
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:06,000
Something about, I completely
forgot about her being in the

784
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:07,900
Commonwealth suit.
Okay.

785
00:47:08,300 --> 00:47:10,500
Okay.
See now I may have to buy your

786
00:47:10,500 --> 00:47:15,000
hands, so I don't go looking for
spoilers but you know, that

787
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:17,300
wasn't totally popped up on.
I don't even remember.

788
00:47:21,700 --> 00:47:24,700
Oh yeah.
Because I probably posted some

789
00:47:24,700 --> 00:47:31,700
of the photos that they released
earlier but Look, I was thinking

790
00:47:31,700 --> 00:47:34,900
of Rosita and Gabriel when we
talk about Gabriel.

791
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:39,100
Oh, mmm.
This think the man that was on

792
00:47:39,100 --> 00:47:43,100
the Rock Girl.
No, it is not from the rock is

793
00:47:43,100 --> 00:47:47,000
gone.
He is gone long, long Gabriel's.

794
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:51,400
One of the people that got
separated during that brawl and

795
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:56,500
he has been, we know that like
his neck was sliced, but it

796
00:47:56,500 --> 00:47:59,100
doesn't appear to have been a A
very deep cut.

797
00:47:59,100 --> 00:48:02,900
Like it may have been
superficial, but he did get

798
00:48:03,300 --> 00:48:07,000
stabbed in the leg.
And there's one of the ravagers

799
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,400
that he sees limping away from
him.

800
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,100
And so he takes this thing out
of his leg.

801
00:48:12,100 --> 00:48:16,700
And he follows this do and the
guy has left his mask in the

802
00:48:16,700 --> 00:48:19,100
ground that mass look creepy as
hell.

803
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,700
But father, Gabriel goes after
this doing.

804
00:48:21,700 --> 00:48:25,800
I mean he's limping around.
Now here's my thing.

805
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:28,000
You just had this weapon in your
leg.

806
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:32,500
And you pull it out.
You ain't tied it off.

807
00:48:32,500 --> 00:48:36,300
You ain't did nothing to staunch
the bleeding.

808
00:48:37,300 --> 00:48:41,300
Gabriel agreed to do better.
No, no, it may have Clyde it.

809
00:48:41,300 --> 00:48:45,100
Remember, he got stabbed at
night, it is now morning, so it

810
00:48:45,100 --> 00:48:48,800
may have had time to climb
around, you know.

811
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:53,100
But if he takes that out, that's
going to restart the bleeding,

812
00:48:53,900 --> 00:48:56,000
maybe after he does.
I mean, I see what you were

813
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:57,900
doing there.
I see what you was doing there.

814
00:49:00,900 --> 00:49:02,800
Yeah, no, he should have had
that

815
00:49:16,100 --> 00:49:23,800
and it's so it's so weird.
Seeing these people who randomly

816
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:29,600
just kill people for sport for
fun for some Bible, whatever the

817
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:34,400
case may be, but he comes up to
this guy and the dude is

818
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,900
praying, and I was like, why I
always got to be somebody who

819
00:49:37,900 --> 00:49:42,900
has this deep faith in God, that
turns out to be The Crazy Ones

820
00:49:42,900 --> 00:49:47,300
in killed 17 million people.
Right now, now, you want some

821
00:49:47,300 --> 00:49:50,400
forgive right?
And so this guy is leaning up

822
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:53,400
against the tree trunk and
apparently somebody has taken a

823
00:49:54,500 --> 00:49:57,700
chunk out of his neck because
he's sitting there bleeding and

824
00:49:57,700 --> 00:49:59,100
hand.
Gabriel start to have a

825
00:49:59,107 --> 00:50:01,500
conversation.
He said you moved slower than I

826
00:50:01,500 --> 00:50:04,600
thought you would.
I mean the dude just First up in

827
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:06,300
the morning, what did you
expect?

828
00:50:06,900 --> 00:50:09,500
So he starts trying to comfort
Gabriel.

829
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:11,700
Don't be scared and getting real
life.

830
00:50:11,700 --> 00:50:14,600
I am not.
And the guy starts talking this

831
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:16,800
whole we have been blessed and
blah, blah blah.

832
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:20,600
I was like oh here we go.
Just kill him already and I hate

833
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:26,500
to say that, but my father
Gabriel said, you have a funny

834
00:50:26,500 --> 00:50:29,500
definition of being blessed.
Like you've been around here.

835
00:50:29,500 --> 00:50:31,900
Killing people.
You're hanging people from trees

836
00:50:31,900 --> 00:50:37,000
by their ankles as As I don't
know, totems as warnings,

837
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:40,000
whatever the case is.
So this do think he's blessed

838
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:44,600
because father Gabriel is the
one who came for him, like the

839
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:46,800
religious man, will you pray for
me?

840
00:50:47,100 --> 00:50:49,800
Gabriel was looking at him out
there one, good.

841
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,600
I like motherfucker.
He said, you tried to kill my

842
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:53,700
friends.
Yes.

843
00:50:53,700 --> 00:50:56,200
And they tried to kill me.
They tried to kill you because

844
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:59,400
you were trying to kill them and
he's still going to ask Thomas

845
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:03,300
and pray for me even your
enemies deserve that much and

846
00:51:03,300 --> 00:51:05,700
finally gave her.
Like, he bought the bash his

847
00:51:05,700 --> 00:51:09,600
head and he's like, I thought
you were a man of God and then

848
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:15,000
that's when Gabriel is like, he
has come to a decision and he's

849
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:20,300
looking at this guy and he says
God isn't here anymore, you

850
00:51:20,300 --> 00:51:26,900
know, I was done after that.
I was like but you know my god

851
00:51:28,100 --> 00:51:31,600
he has but you got to think
about it.

852
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:38,400
I figured that would come Um,
sometime after siddiq was killed

853
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:43,000
the way he killed Dante.
I knew this was coming through

854
00:51:43,100 --> 00:51:46,000
because when he killed Dante,
I'm surprised.

855
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:49,500
He is still warned his collar up
until this point because he

856
00:51:49,500 --> 00:51:54,800
shall Dante no mercy, that was a
rick no feeling like he learned

857
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:57,700
his lesson, very well.
That was a riktigt killing when

858
00:51:57,700 --> 00:52:02,200
he killed Dante.
So, you know, I know he's a

859
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:03,800
little bit more temper, you
know?

860
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:06,600
Is surrogate.
Father, a father to Coco right

861
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:08,900
now.
But yeah, Gabriel has been

862
00:52:08,900 --> 00:52:13,300
showing us now for a couple of
years that he ain't with the

863
00:52:13,300 --> 00:52:16,500
shits, right?
He's going to do and ever.

864
00:52:16,500 --> 00:52:21,700
He has to do to protect his
people to protect his community.

865
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:25,800
And I think at this point, after
having gone through what he has

866
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:28,200
gone through.
I think now he's just at the

867
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:33,700
point where it's like enough is
enough but Dad, right?

868
00:52:33,900 --> 00:52:38,900
But I'm like how strong with his
faith that even through all of

869
00:52:38,900 --> 00:52:42,600
this stuff up.
Until this point, it took this

870
00:52:42,900 --> 00:52:45,700
for him to say, you know what?
I'm done with God, do you live

871
00:52:45,700 --> 00:52:49,900
through a zombie apocalypse?
The dead rise and walk and eat

872
00:52:49,900 --> 00:52:53,100
your friends.
If you don't have questions at

873
00:52:53,100 --> 00:53:01,200
this point, I'm just saying me.
I'm just saying, but yeah, so he

874
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:03,800
kills that dude.
Oh, okay.

875
00:53:04,300 --> 00:53:06,900
In the top of the head, right
happening?

876
00:53:07,300 --> 00:53:10,200
Like and wasn't gentle about it
at all.

877
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:12,300
We going to make sure you don't
come back.

878
00:53:12,300 --> 00:53:15,000
That was one of those God isn't
here anymore.

879
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:17,800
And that's tab was the
exclamation point on that

880
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:20,600
sentence.
Yes, one no doubt that God is

881
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:22,800
not here anymore.
I'm about to show you for show

882
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,200
for sure.
God is not here anymore.

883
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:28,400
Neither, are you?
What is one of negan's nicknames

884
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:29,600
for Gabriel?
Isn't it?

885
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:31,700
Stabby gay bi, or something like
that.

886
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:36,400
He calls them.
Y'all talk about that.

887
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:37,900
I.
Yeah.

888
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:41,200
So I think he's earning that
meeting last week.

889
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:43,800
He caught a one.
I would you and your one-eyed

890
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:47,800
wisdom.
Well at least he's not calling

891
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:49,800
him father.
Not the father anymore.

892
00:53:51,700 --> 00:54:03,700
Yeah I love the way he said that
father not but okay.

893
00:54:03,900 --> 00:54:07,600
Going back to Megan Egan and
Alden because we touched on this

894
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:09,800
a little bit earlier in the
episode.

895
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:11,500
So of course, they've left the
mall.

896
00:54:11,900 --> 00:54:14,300
They are still trying to get to
the supplies.

897
00:54:14,300 --> 00:54:17,200
Some when they were leaving out,
they heard some yelling and some

898
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:22,300
shouting turns out Agatha and
Duncan have also made it to the

899
00:54:22,300 --> 00:54:25,300
mall.
But Duncan is Gravely injured

900
00:54:25,300 --> 00:54:29,000
and Duncan is the big black dude
of the group, you know, the big

901
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:32,500
strong person with, that's the
teddy bear, that, you know, put

902
00:54:32,500 --> 00:54:35,600
her on his shoulders.
And again it was one of those

903
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:38,200
things where I was like yeah
introduced us to a character

904
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:41,800
just to kill him in the next
episode because literally Duncan

905
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:46,000
and Agatha were here with.
We met them, was it at the

906
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:50,800
beginning of episode 1 and here
it is episode 3 halfway through

907
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:55,500
and Duncan is dead because the
ravagers like I said when they

908
00:54:55,500 --> 00:54:58,700
attacked him in the woods, they
threw light with 34 knives into

909
00:54:58,700 --> 00:55:01,500
his stomach.
So the fact that he's even still

910
00:55:01,500 --> 00:55:04,300
alive.
At that point I was Stop.

911
00:55:04,300 --> 00:55:08,300
But again, this is one of those
things where you get to see

912
00:55:08,300 --> 00:55:13,300
Maggie is not as unaffected as
she appears because she seems

913
00:55:13,300 --> 00:55:17,300
really shaken by the fact that
Duncan dies, and then she has to

914
00:55:17,308 --> 00:55:19,900
watch Agatha die.
Okay.

915
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,000
Oh my God.
So, of course, they've left the

916
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:24,100
mall.
They are still trying to get to

917
00:55:24,100 --> 00:55:28,100
the supplies and they, you know,
they see some walkers in the

918
00:55:28,100 --> 00:55:30,800
woods and they're trying to go
around them.

919
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:36,900
And there is a person and tied
to a tree and this person has

920
00:55:36,900 --> 00:55:42,300
been looks like burned alive.
And if top, there is a sign with

921
00:55:42,300 --> 00:55:47,500
the name Judas, so that person
was a traitor of some sort of

922
00:55:47,500 --> 00:55:51,000
some sort, but we know it was
the ravagers who did it.

923
00:55:51,500 --> 00:55:55,700
But I was trying to see like can
we tell clothes or anything?

924
00:55:55,700 --> 00:55:59,100
I couldn't tell anything
definitive about who that person

925
00:55:59,100 --> 00:56:01,700
might have been because I was
wondering if maybe it was

926
00:56:01,700 --> 00:56:05,300
somebody from Maggie's group.
Somebody that used to be a

927
00:56:05,308 --> 00:56:08,400
ravager and then ended up with
maggots group and they killed

928
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:09,900
him.
But I don't, I mean, I don't

929
00:56:09,900 --> 00:56:14,200
know, but this this person has
clearly been burned alive.

930
00:56:14,700 --> 00:56:17,200
Yeah, they get surrounded by
Walkers here.

931
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:22,100
And Maggie is trying to help
Alden because Alden is and your,

932
00:56:22,100 --> 00:56:24,400
but Alden is still fight.
That's the thing.

933
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:27,100
See, this is why Maggie is like,
okay, yeah, no, we need to keep

934
00:56:27,100 --> 00:56:31,100
all the Alden is limping and
fighting for his life and he is

935
00:56:31,100 --> 00:56:35,800
still killing walkers.
But they get attacked by all

936
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:40,400
these Walkers and Agatha.
Of course, her arm gets bit and

937
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:44,400
they're all still fighting Negan
is trying to help Alden and he

938
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:48,300
sees Maggie trying to save
Agatha but Agatha there's

939
00:56:48,300 --> 00:56:50,800
nothing they can do for Agatha
right now unless they can get

940
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:53,900
her arm off which they're in the
middle of a forest.

941
00:56:55,700 --> 00:56:58,900
There is no cutting that arm.
Also, net Megan has to pull

942
00:56:58,900 --> 00:57:08,800
maggot away from her which I was
just like His people are gone

943
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:12,800
there after that.
That's when they go and they

944
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:17,200
find a little church and old
church and they go inside, and

945
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:23,400
the idea is for Alden to kind of
recoup and Alden tells Maggie's

946
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:26,100
like, no, you gotta leave me.
I'm slowing you down.

947
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:29,400
You got to give to the supplies.
You got to get to Alexandria and

948
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:33,100
of course, Maggie doesn't want
to do that, because he's a vital

949
00:57:33,100 --> 00:57:35,400
part of a lie.
Exam Andrea and not only that

950
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:41,500
he's raising baby, Adam, which
was Gammas sister's child.

951
00:57:41,500 --> 00:57:44,300
The one that Alpha made her just
sit in the field so that the

952
00:57:44,300 --> 00:57:47,500
Walkers could take it because it
was making too much noise and

953
00:57:47,500 --> 00:57:52,100
Connie saved it and then Earl
and Tammy were raising the baby.

954
00:57:52,100 --> 00:57:56,500
And then of course Tammy got
killed by Alpha and then Earl

955
00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:59,000
died trying to protect the
children.

956
00:57:59,100 --> 00:58:03,200
You know, he got injured, he
knew he was going to make it so

957
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:06,400
you know, And of tied himself to
a chair and tried to kill

958
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:09,800
himself and of course that
didn't work and then Judith

959
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:11,500
ended up having to do it.
But, you know.

960
00:58:11,900 --> 00:58:15,400
So, Alden is Raising this baby
now and Maggie is like, you

961
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:17,200
know, your dad.
Now, you have to be there for

962
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:19,600
Adam.
He's like, Adam needs to be able

963
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:24,500
to live and if you guys don't
get this food, nobody's going to

964
00:58:24,500 --> 00:58:27,200
survive, right?
And he doesn't want to be

965
00:58:27,300 --> 00:58:30,000
because of that.
So it's another hard decision

966
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:34,400
that Maggie has to make and
nigun he tried Has to push her

967
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:37,300
into making the decision, but
he's not a dick about it.

968
00:58:37,300 --> 00:58:40,300
In this instance, again, Megan
is the type of person.

969
00:58:40,300 --> 00:58:42,600
He says, people are resource
even.

970
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:46,800
He knows that Alden is somebody
that they really can't afford to

971
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:48,800
lose.
But at this point it's about

972
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:52,700
Alden survival or about
alexandrians and they still have

973
00:58:52,700 --> 00:58:55,900
a ways to go.
They still have ravagers that

974
00:58:55,900 --> 00:58:59,800
are probably coming after them
and they don't know if anybody

975
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:03,200
else is left, we know, Duncan is
dead.

976
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:07,300
We know.
Agatha's that we know cold is

977
00:59:07,300 --> 00:59:09,900
dead.
We don't know where Elijah is.

978
00:59:09,900 --> 00:59:12,000
We don't know where Darrell is
at this point.

979
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:14,200
They don't know that gave is
still alive.

980
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:20,700
So right now it's just me and
Maggie the weirdest dynamic duo

981
00:59:20,700 --> 00:59:24,900
girl.
And you know, she says to him

982
00:59:24,900 --> 00:59:28,500
she was like this comes easy to
you right being Reckless with

983
00:59:28,500 --> 00:59:32,000
somebody else's life and he's
just looking at her and he's

984
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:33,600
like, you still got to make a
decision.

985
00:59:33,700 --> 00:59:35,700
Vision, which is true.
Right?

986
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:38,700
At the end of the day, look,
when you get done talking this

987
00:59:38,700 --> 00:59:40,800
way, right?
Because because she says, but

988
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:43,400
you don't get to decide who gets
to live and who gets to die

989
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:45,600
anymore.
He's like it, and maybe true.

990
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:48,000
But decision still has been
made.

991
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:50,300
He's like at this point.
Now you get to make that

992
00:59:50,300 --> 00:59:53,600
decision.
And the one thing I don't agree

993
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:56,500
with her about, she says, it's
your fault.

994
00:59:56,500 --> 01:00:00,100
It's your fault that we're here
because you destroy everything

995
01:00:00,100 --> 01:00:02,500
that we built.
I don't think that's true.

996
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:07,100
Yes, he It have to destroy the
hilltop but he had to do that in

997
01:00:07,100 --> 01:00:11,500
order to kill Alpha because at
the time Alpha was the biggest

998
01:00:11,500 --> 01:00:14,400
threat.
And then, of course, because he

999
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:19,200
kill Alpha Beta came after them
and in turn, destroy Alexandra,

1000
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:20,900
but that wasn't all niggas
fault.

1001
01:00:20,900 --> 01:00:24,900
They had to do something because
Alpha had them living shit out

1002
01:00:24,900 --> 01:00:26,400
for had them living the way
nigga.

1003
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:29,300
Had them living for a minute,
okay?

1004
01:00:29,300 --> 01:00:33,400
And, and they was not trying to
do that again, but the thing is,

1005
01:00:33,700 --> 01:00:37,800
Alpha was more formidable than
Negan because medium was at

1006
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:41,900
least trying to keep people
alive Alpha was not Alpha was

1007
01:00:41,900 --> 01:00:44,900
like, okay, you know what
they're gonna do with the dead,

1008
01:00:44,900 --> 01:00:48,600
but the way you guys are trying
to live and that's an old way of

1009
01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:53,700
life you need to destroy that.
So that was her whole Mo and she

1010
01:00:53,700 --> 01:00:58,400
had thousands of walkers at her
disposal so she had to die.

1011
01:00:58,700 --> 01:01:02,300
They had to do it in that way.
And Negan unfortunately was the

1012
01:01:02,300 --> 01:01:05,400
only person who's ever going to
Get close enough to kill her

1013
01:01:05,500 --> 01:01:09,000
besides Lydia.
And we can say, yeah, Lydia, you

1014
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:12,100
should have killed or whatever.
That's still her mom, right?

1015
01:01:12,100 --> 01:01:17,200
So at the end of the day, right?
So I understand that Maggie is

1016
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:22,200
upset but to lay the blame at
Negan for all of this I think is

1017
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:25,500
not right, because there are so
many other factors that went

1018
01:01:25,500 --> 01:01:27,600
into that.
And light nigga says to her

1019
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:31,200
earlier in the episode, he said
your friends, they counted on

1020
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:33,600
me, they trusted me, you weren't
here.

1021
01:01:33,700 --> 01:01:37,400
Here, you know and this right
she wasn't there so she didn't

1022
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:39,900
she didn't have to live through
everything the alpha put them

1023
01:01:39,900 --> 01:01:41,900
through.
She didn't have to watch Tara

1024
01:01:41,900 --> 01:01:44,300
die, should have the Washington
nice died.

1025
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:49,300
She didn't have to watch Jesus
and in it and Segi.

1026
01:01:49,300 --> 01:01:53,100
Can't she didn't have to witness
any of that and Henry, right?

1027
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:56,200
But she does make the decision.
They are going to leave Alden.

1028
01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:58,600
They leave him with some
Provisions.

1029
01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:02,800
They also leave him with a knife
just in case, and then he

1030
01:02:02,900 --> 01:02:05,600
barricaded himself.
Of in the church and Megan and

1031
01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:08,900
Maggie.
They leave off and I'm like, oh,

1032
01:02:08,900 --> 01:02:13,800
this is about to get Hella
interesting, those to having to

1033
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:18,100
survive countdown, and each
other, and work together, having

1034
01:02:18,100 --> 01:02:21,600
to trust each other so that they
can get this food back to

1035
01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:23,400
Alexandria.
Yeah, this is going to be

1036
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:27,000
interesting.
It's going to be interesting

1037
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:30,600
understatement of the year but
they got to do it again to do

1038
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:34,200
and it because the even at this
point Alexandria's Higgins home

1039
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:37,500
to.
So it regardless of, you know,

1040
01:02:37,500 --> 01:02:40,600
the tension between him and
Maggie and Maggie and how she

1041
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:44,500
feel because her baby is there
like, it sucks, but you got to

1042
01:02:44,500 --> 01:02:48,400
put some of your shit to the
side to, you know, for the

1043
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:50,700
betterment of everybody.
Yeah.

1044
01:02:50,700 --> 01:02:52,700
You want to be honest?
I mean be mad later.

1045
01:02:53,300 --> 01:02:56,000
Yeah, be mad with everybody has
a full belly.

1046
01:02:56,200 --> 01:03:00,500
There you go because for now,
like she said it, you know,

1047
01:03:00,900 --> 01:03:03,900
trying to blame him for
everything is not going to Work

1048
01:03:03,900 --> 01:03:06,300
and trying to blame him for
everything angle give people

1049
01:03:06,300 --> 01:03:09,200
fair.
So I, you know, you literally

1050
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:14,300
have to put everything, your
hatred, your your you know

1051
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:18,900
everything just off to the side
for the moment because we are

1052
01:03:18,900 --> 01:03:23,100
trying to make sure our
community survive right from

1053
01:03:23,100 --> 01:03:27,000
these people that we know are a
super threat that are super

1054
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:30,500
dangerous that, you know, don't
care and want to help them kill

1055
01:03:30,500 --> 01:03:31,500
y'all.
Yep.

1056
01:03:32,100 --> 01:03:35,800
But I like how but I like how
they put that little reminder

1057
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:38,900
about who these two are to each
other when they take off,

1058
01:03:38,900 --> 01:03:41,600
because as they come out the
church, there's a walker there

1059
01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:45,600
and Negan has a crowbar.
That's his weapon and he bashes

1060
01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:49,600
the head and of this Walker and
then he kind of puts his arm

1061
01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:53,600
down and the camera focuses on
the blood coming off of the

1062
01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:56,000
Crowbar and Maggie standing
there.

1063
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:59,700
Looking at it and then she looks
at him and then she just walks

1064
01:03:59,700 --> 01:04:01,400
past them.
So it's kind of like one of

1065
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:03,900
those things where it was like
oh if you thought these We're

1066
01:04:03,900 --> 01:04:05,700
going to be the dynamic duo.
Hello?

1067
01:04:05,700 --> 01:04:08,000
Reminder of what they are to
each other.

1068
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:11,500
It was kind of reminiscent of
Lucille.

1069
01:04:11,500 --> 01:04:13,700
Right after he killed Abraham
and Glenn.

1070
01:04:13,700 --> 01:04:18,800
I was like right right with
assembly room.

1071
01:04:19,700 --> 01:04:23,600
Okay.
Because I have seen.

1072
01:04:23,900 --> 01:04:28,200
There are some people online who
I won't say that they're saying

1073
01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:31,500
that Maggie is becoming the
villain or she is the villain.

1074
01:04:31,700 --> 01:04:34,000
But I know that there are a lot
of people who have been Watching

1075
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:37,500
these last few episodes that
feel like that's what the

1076
01:04:37,500 --> 01:04:39,900
writers are trying to do.
They're trying to make Negan the

1077
01:04:39,900 --> 01:04:43,700
good guy and Magid the bad guy.
And like I said earlier, I don't

1078
01:04:43,700 --> 01:04:46,500
think that's the case at all.
I think what they're doing is

1079
01:04:46,500 --> 01:04:52,000
showing that everybody in this
world has those two sides like

1080
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:56,700
they're two sides of the same
coin and at some point you have

1081
01:04:56,700 --> 01:04:59,700
to start making decisions that
you never thought you were going

1082
01:04:59,700 --> 01:05:03,600
to make because it's what's
best.

1083
01:05:03,700 --> 01:05:06,500
For everyone around and
unfortunately sometimes that

1084
01:05:06,500 --> 01:05:10,600
might mean working together with
somebody that you absolutely

1085
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:14,000
hate.
But the thing is is your hate

1086
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:18,500
for him greater than the love.
You have for your son and the

1087
01:05:18,500 --> 01:05:20,300
love.
You have for the people back in

1088
01:05:20,300 --> 01:05:25,300
Alexandria who are depending on
you to come back with food with

1089
01:05:25,300 --> 01:05:29,800
water with supplies.
Does your hate for him Trump

1090
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:34,600
that Or can you get over that
long enough to make sure that

1091
01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:37,000
the collective survives?
Now, once you get back to

1092
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:40,800
Alexandria, I'm sure there's
probably going to be a sit-down

1093
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:43,700
see Jesus meeting like they're
going to have to figure out what

1094
01:05:43,700 --> 01:05:47,200
they're going to do.
Maybe by that point, right?

1095
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:49,600
They will have worked well
enough together to say, okay,

1096
01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:52,300
you know what, I don't have to
like you, I don't ever have to

1097
01:05:52,300 --> 01:05:57,000
forgive you, but if you are
willing to work for the good of

1098
01:05:57,000 --> 01:06:01,600
the community that my child has
to live in it, You are willing

1099
01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:06,700
to do what is needed.
So that we all survived, then

1100
01:06:06,700 --> 01:06:09,600
maybe I don't have to like you,
right?

1101
01:06:09,700 --> 01:06:14,100
But I can call a truce or I can
hate you from arm's length,

1102
01:06:14,100 --> 01:06:18,200
whatever the case it deal with
it enough to write.

1103
01:06:18,700 --> 01:06:23,500
Because again, people are
resource and like him or hate

1104
01:06:23,500 --> 01:06:25,600
him.
Nigga knows what the fuck he's

1105
01:06:25,600 --> 01:06:30,000
doing and to just get rid of
that based on everything that's

1106
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:33,300
happened.
It's understandable but it won't

1107
01:06:33,300 --> 01:06:36,100
work for the greater good.
Not at this point.

1108
01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:39,300
Like I said, have that
conversation again.

1109
01:06:39,300 --> 01:06:42,100
When everybody's bellies are
full, when the crops are growing

1110
01:06:42,100 --> 01:06:45,200
again, when they don't have to
worry about any kind of imminent

1111
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:48,600
threat when they're not worried
about people with machetes and

1112
01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:50,700
arrows, just chasing them for
fun.

1113
01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:54,600
Hello, we need to add in there
that the kids made it very clear

1114
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:57,200
that Porsche does not taste like
Tiffany.

1115
01:06:57,200 --> 01:06:59,500
Yeah.
You know I was just about to get

1116
01:06:59,500 --> 01:07:05,400
to that part because Was the
other thing, you know, we just

1117
01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:10,400
gotta chew it real fast, my
goodness, we talked about Magna

1118
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:14,600
and Kelly Rosita and Carol going
out, looking for the horses and

1119
01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:18,200
of course they find some of the
horses mutilated and this is

1120
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:22,200
where Carol is really upset like
the other three, they want to go

1121
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:23,900
back home and try the next day
and carols.

1122
01:07:23,900 --> 01:07:27,200
Like we can't we have to find
those horses will starve if we

1123
01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:30,700
don't.
And so she she gets ready to

1124
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:33,000
Keep going.
But Magnus stops her and she

1125
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:36,000
gives her this hug.
And at first, Carol is like, I

1126
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:38,500
don't know what to do and then
of course she kind of breaks

1127
01:07:38,500 --> 01:07:41,100
down and she hugs her.
And like I said, is this kind of

1128
01:07:41,100 --> 01:07:43,600
bonding moment with each other
where it's like, okay, you know

1129
01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:46,100
what, I understand what you're
trying to do but you don't have

1130
01:07:46,100 --> 01:07:49,900
to do this alone so they go.
And at some point they almost

1131
01:07:49,900 --> 01:07:52,600
feel like they're about to give
up and then all of a sudden here

1132
01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:56,500
come the horses running across
the pasture and it was it feels

1133
01:07:56,500 --> 01:08:00,400
kind of cheesy to say it but it
was one of those light in a dark

1134
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:03,200
tunnel.
Tight moments like you needed to

1135
01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:06,500
see something good for even just
a moment.

1136
01:08:06,500 --> 01:08:09,600
And they got to see that and we
got to see that, we got to feel

1137
01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:13,600
a little bit of Hope, because
the horses were running towards

1138
01:08:13,600 --> 01:08:15,900
the dairy, barn, which
apparently they have a dairy

1139
01:08:15,900 --> 01:08:18,399
barn in the area that they've
been using.

1140
01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:21,500
They were able to pin the horses
and when they got ready to try

1141
01:08:21,500 --> 01:08:24,600
to lasso the horses they
realized, hey their horses

1142
01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:26,700
aren't running, maybe they want
to come home.

1143
01:08:26,899 --> 01:08:29,200
Maybe those horses, saw what
happened to the other ones?

1144
01:08:29,200 --> 01:08:30,600
And they were like, fuck this
shit.

1145
01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:39,200
You like take me back home where
people want to catch me, you

1146
01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:42,100
know.
And one thing that there is a

1147
01:08:42,100 --> 01:08:45,399
message, I think that we learned
in that particular scene and

1148
01:08:45,399 --> 01:08:49,899
it's because Kelly tells them to
put the ropes down because like

1149
01:08:49,899 --> 01:08:53,800
she said, the horses aren't
running they trust us and and

1150
01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:55,899
that was something else.
Magna said earlier, in the

1151
01:08:55,899 --> 01:08:59,200
episode she was telling Kelly,
do you know that horses will let

1152
01:08:59,200 --> 01:09:00,600
you touch their nose when they
Trust.

1153
01:09:01,399 --> 01:09:05,800
So for them to go to that and
they walk the horses back into

1154
01:09:05,800 --> 01:09:08,700
Alexandria, everybody's
cheering, everybody's happy.

1155
01:09:08,700 --> 01:09:12,399
Hey we got the horses back.
Carol takes one of the horses to

1156
01:09:12,399 --> 01:09:17,600
the barn, and She lays it down
and she Comforts it and then she

1157
01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:20,800
slips its throat and she
captures the blood and I know

1158
01:09:20,800 --> 01:09:24,500
the blood is probably for them
to drink because even though

1159
01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:27,300
we're thinking about it as oh,
my God, it's disgusting.

1160
01:09:27,899 --> 01:09:29,800
It's a good way to build up
strength.

1161
01:09:30,100 --> 01:09:33,100
That's something.
That we learn in all kinds of

1162
01:09:33,100 --> 01:09:36,399
disaster, movies and that sort
of thing.

1163
01:09:36,899 --> 01:09:41,200
But Aaron comes in when he sees
what she's done and he helps her

1164
01:09:41,200 --> 01:09:45,399
and then you know, like you
said, the next thing we see is

1165
01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:50,100
Judith with the horse meat and
they're eating the horse meeting

1166
01:09:50,100 --> 01:09:52,000
her.
She was trying to tell a girl

1167
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:55,600
that conversation her.
She was like, yeah, it's not

1168
01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:57,300
that bad.
You just have to take small

1169
01:09:57,300 --> 01:10:00,600
bites and and eat it slowly and
Julie doesn't want to do it.

1170
01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:04,300
And, you know, I think at this
point, that's when Judith

1171
01:10:04,300 --> 01:10:07,300
realizes that, yeah, Herschel is
a kid, but Herschel has been

1172
01:10:07,300 --> 01:10:10,600
through some things, you know,
because he's telling them.

1173
01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:12,800
Okay, well, this is this is what
you have to do.

1174
01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:14,200
And she's like, have you had
horse before?

1175
01:10:14,200 --> 01:10:17,600
He was like, yeah, when we were
out on the road, like he's had

1176
01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:20,300
some hard living and then he
said, well at least it's not

1177
01:10:20,300 --> 01:10:22,900
spider and they all turn and
look at him and he's just

1178
01:10:22,900 --> 01:10:26,200
looking at them like what you
got to eat something to survive.

1179
01:10:26,500 --> 01:10:31,300
But here's the thing that the
horse scene made me think of So

1180
01:10:31,300 --> 01:10:34,700
there was talking to episode
about trust and have the horse

1181
01:10:34,700 --> 01:10:40,100
shows trust and then the horses
came to them, allow them to be

1182
01:10:40,100 --> 01:10:43,400
capture, allowed them to be led
back to Alexandria.

1183
01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:47,000
And then one of the horses was
led to slaughter to feed

1184
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:53,100
everyone else, I kind of feel
like that's an illusion to Negan

1185
01:10:53,100 --> 01:10:56,500
and Maggie as well.
Like at this point, you're going

1186
01:10:56,500 --> 01:11:00,600
to build up trust in each other.
Okay, this is what we have.

1187
01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:02,800
Do to survive.
I have to trust you.

1188
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:05,300
You have to trust me.
I have a feeling.

1189
01:11:05,300 --> 01:11:09,100
One of them is going to turn on
the other and I really have a

1190
01:11:09,100 --> 01:11:12,300
feeling it's probably going to
be Maggie.

1191
01:11:12,500 --> 01:11:16,800
I think at the end she's going
to have her revenge and just

1192
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:18,700
when Negan thinks everything is
safe.

1193
01:11:18,700 --> 01:11:22,300
Everything is okay.
Okay we've got this ironed out.

1194
01:11:22,500 --> 01:11:25,100
I think she's going to turn on
him and I think she's going to

1195
01:11:25,100 --> 01:11:28,500
kill him.
I think that's what that horse

1196
01:11:28,500 --> 01:11:32,800
theme was supposed to kind of I
don't know, it's my best

1197
01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:35,000
literally something that jumped
into my head.

1198
01:11:35,100 --> 01:11:38,000
As I was re watching the episode
in the background light.

1199
01:11:38,900 --> 01:11:44,400
They've been talking about these
horses and trust and the horses,

1200
01:11:44,400 --> 01:11:48,000
let them lead them back-home and
then Carol leaves one to the

1201
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:51,800
side and kills it so that she
can feed everyone else.

1202
01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:55,200
Yes.
But still it's like one of those

1203
01:11:55,200 --> 01:11:58,400
things you gain the trust of
this thing and then you slit

1204
01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:00,600
It's throat.
There's probably something.

1205
01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:04,700
But for me, I felt it was more
Carolyn Kelly.

1206
01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:11,200
Nah, rather than me I didn't
think not, not the point of

1207
01:12:11,500 --> 01:12:15,400
leaving it to slaughter but the
point of trying to get her to

1208
01:12:15,400 --> 01:12:19,700
trust her even though she has, I
guess you would call it some

1209
01:12:19,700 --> 01:12:23,300
sort of betrayal by trying to
kill the horn and causing the

1210
01:12:23,308 --> 01:12:26,600
cave in.
But like magnet was saying she's

1211
01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:29,500
giving her that false hope that,
you know your sister is still

1212
01:12:29,500 --> 01:12:33,700
out there.
Because she's trying to remember

1213
01:12:33,700 --> 01:12:37,300
when Carol and Kelly were in the
car and Kelly basically told

1214
01:12:37,300 --> 01:12:40,200
Carol, you know, like I don't
blame you, you know, for what

1215
01:12:40,200 --> 01:12:43,300
happened, you know.
So, it's cool.

1216
01:12:43,300 --> 01:12:48,600
But Carol is still, even though
she's been told, you know, I

1217
01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:52,100
forgive you, you know, I don't
hold any harm or ill will

1218
01:12:52,100 --> 01:12:55,000
towards you.
She still trying to make it up

1219
01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:59,300
to her if you know what I mean,
and it's like when when somebody

1220
01:12:59,300 --> 01:13:00,600
does you wrong, you like, all
right.

1221
01:13:00,700 --> 01:13:05,200
Gave you you know I'm good I
have moved on but the other

1222
01:13:05,200 --> 01:13:09,000
person basically wanted Cara
won't.

1223
01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:14,300
Let Kelly move on because we're
going to go back out and that's

1224
01:13:14,300 --> 01:13:18,200
why Magnus telling her just let
her warn her.

1225
01:13:18,700 --> 01:13:20,800
So you know, so she can get some
closure.

1226
01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:24,600
Yeah, so she can get some
closure but Carol because in

1227
01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:29,300
Carol's mind, I've done this
horrible thing and I'm going to

1228
01:13:29,300 --> 01:13:34,100
find either a body.
Or Connie Walker and will bring

1229
01:13:34,100 --> 01:13:36,400
my heart.
That's how the closure will have

1230
01:13:36,400 --> 01:13:39,600
with the break.
We know what happened, but that

1231
01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:44,700
is, you know what I mean?
By stringing Kelly along with

1232
01:13:44,700 --> 01:13:46,700
we're going to go look we're
going to go look we're going to

1233
01:13:46,708 --> 01:13:48,500
go look.
She's bit trying to build her

1234
01:13:48,500 --> 01:13:54,000
trust back up and then when you
know we know Q Khan, he's not

1235
01:13:54,000 --> 01:14:00,200
dead but you know, it in the
event then that we find or they

1236
01:14:00,200 --> 01:14:02,300
find That Connie has passed
away.

1237
01:14:02,300 --> 01:14:06,200
Then you know, you built up all
this trust to just, yeah.

1238
01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:10,400
Better than Ah, that's that's
the way I took it.

1239
01:14:10,600 --> 01:14:13,900
So I think that has more to do
with Maggie and me and because

1240
01:14:13,900 --> 01:14:16,400
they are the ones that you know.
Yeah.

1241
01:14:16,400 --> 01:14:20,400
I understand Carol and Kelly
have this thing or they have

1242
01:14:20,400 --> 01:14:22,400
this kind of weird.
True.

1243
01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:26,600
So weird friendship but I don't,
I don't think it's false and I

1244
01:14:26,600 --> 01:14:30,200
don't think it's a friendship
based on convenience.

1245
01:14:30,200 --> 01:14:33,100
I Think they're kind of they're
supporting each other.

1246
01:14:33,900 --> 01:14:37,100
I believe they have a genuine
friendship, but to me, there's

1247
01:14:37,100 --> 01:14:41,500
ulterior motives for Carol, you
know, just the point of, you

1248
01:14:41,500 --> 01:14:45,200
know, she feels guilty.
So she's trying to

1249
01:14:45,700 --> 01:14:48,500
overcompensate.
I guess you could say because

1250
01:14:48,500 --> 01:14:50,600
she does feel guilty about what
happened with time.

1251
01:14:50,600 --> 01:14:53,500
Well, I guess, at some point,
we'll figure this out, we'll see

1252
01:14:53,500 --> 01:14:57,100
what's going on.
Yeah, I don't know the, at some

1253
01:14:57,100 --> 01:14:58,800
point, they need to show us
Connie.

1254
01:15:00,700 --> 01:15:03,200
We know it.
We've seen in and we've seen it

1255
01:15:03,200 --> 01:15:04,900
in previews.
What are they waiting for?

1256
01:15:04,900 --> 01:15:07,700
Like, just let me know because
she had her with Virgil.

1257
01:15:08,200 --> 01:15:12,500
Yeah, give us a little hint, a
little, you know, little sneaky

1258
01:15:12,500 --> 01:15:15,300
peeky.
You know, something to being

1259
01:15:15,300 --> 01:15:20,000
selfish.
Hmm, I don't know.

1260
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:23,300
I'm glad we got to see Coco and
this episode 2.

1261
01:15:23,300 --> 01:15:24,900
We got to see all the baby.
Okay.

1262
01:15:24,900 --> 01:15:30,000
Okay, they bring all the
children's out all of them yet.

1263
01:15:31,100 --> 01:15:33,400
But you know, the funny thing is
though.

1264
01:15:33,500 --> 01:15:38,700
So we've talked about the time
span with how long this should

1265
01:15:38,700 --> 01:15:40,300
have taken or how long it should
have been.

1266
01:15:40,500 --> 01:15:42,200
I feel like Coco should be
bigger.

1267
01:15:42,200 --> 01:15:44,200
I thought the same thing like
how she feel the baby.

1268
01:15:44,300 --> 01:15:46,700
Yeah, she should at least be
walking by now.

1269
01:15:47,300 --> 01:15:49,100
Hey Judith.
I don't know, man.

1270
01:15:52,300 --> 01:15:58,600
It was a Super Grover.
So again I love this episode.

1271
01:15:58,600 --> 01:16:02,500
I have been hearing some people
complaining about the episode so

1272
01:16:02,508 --> 01:16:05,400
they don't like them.
And it doesn't feel like The

1273
01:16:05,400 --> 01:16:09,500
Walking Dead anymore and I'm
like, you know, one thing people

1274
01:16:09,500 --> 01:16:15,300
say, they watch, I don't know.
But people have to realize that

1275
01:16:15,300 --> 01:16:21,200
when you grow, you change you
evolve and I love the way that

1276
01:16:21,200 --> 01:16:24,200
this show is coming back in for
this final season.

1277
01:16:24,200 --> 01:16:27,600
Like we said, Said, it feels
like many horror movies.

1278
01:16:27,800 --> 01:16:32,100
I feel the tension, but I also
see the character development,

1279
01:16:32,100 --> 01:16:34,400
especially when it comes to
Negan and Maggie.

1280
01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:37,900
Like we have to see that,
because how can you even tell

1281
01:16:37,900 --> 01:16:41,900
this story without building upon
that conflict?

1282
01:16:42,100 --> 01:16:45,200
All right, I think people who
feel like that feel like they

1283
01:16:45,200 --> 01:16:48,000
have to have some type of reveal
every episode.

1284
01:16:48,200 --> 01:16:50,300
So it was boring.
This didn't happen.

1285
01:16:50,300 --> 01:16:54,400
They should have done it this
way, but I think me personally

1286
01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:57,400
the way Telling the story is the
right way.

1287
01:16:57,400 --> 01:16:59,500
You don't want to give
everything up because then what

1288
01:16:59,500 --> 01:17:02,600
are you left waiting for?
You know what I mean for 20?

1289
01:17:02,600 --> 01:17:05,400
Something more episodes.
Of course, we all want to know

1290
01:17:05,400 --> 01:17:07,000
what's going to happen.
Of course, we all want to see

1291
01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:08,800
Connie.
Of course, we all want to, you

1292
01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:12,200
know, see how you know people
end up hearing here and there

1293
01:17:12,500 --> 01:17:15,800
but if we don't tell the story
of how we get there, then you'll

1294
01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:17,500
be complaining.
Like all they just told

1295
01:17:17,500 --> 01:17:19,800
everything right?
Then there's no suspense is no

1296
01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:22,600
like you not going to make
everybody happy but I think for

1297
01:17:22,600 --> 01:17:26,000
the, for the most part that
people have Stuck around like as

1298
01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:30,200
long as me and you have, we're
not those people who complain

1299
01:17:30,200 --> 01:17:33,700
that they were boring episodes.
Or, you know, because we're in

1300
01:17:33,700 --> 01:17:37,100
it, we're invested in these
people, we're invested in the

1301
01:17:37,100 --> 01:17:41,400
storylines, we're invested to
know, you know, to make sure

1302
01:17:41,400 --> 01:17:44,200
everybody has a happy ending
even though we clearly know,

1303
01:17:44,200 --> 01:17:45,600
that doesn't happen for
everybody.

1304
01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:48,600
But no, that's not happening
right now, but we're totally

1305
01:17:48,600 --> 01:17:53,100
invested in the fantasy of it.
You know what I mean?

1306
01:17:53,100 --> 01:17:57,900
So, to me, people who We say
that and like, boring, like,

1307
01:17:57,900 --> 01:18:00,900
what happens always you
watching, you know what I mean?

1308
01:18:00,900 --> 01:18:03,800
Not only that.
I think a lot of people have

1309
01:18:04,300 --> 01:18:08,400
problems with the fact that in
the last few years, the show has

1310
01:18:08,400 --> 01:18:13,600
been kind of Negan driven,
because of what he did to Glenn

1311
01:18:13,600 --> 01:18:15,300
and Abraham.
They're like oh we don't want to

1312
01:18:15,308 --> 01:18:17,600
see the show him like I know a
lot of people who actually

1313
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:20,100
stopped watching the show after
Glenn was killed.

1314
01:18:20,800 --> 01:18:24,500
So I do know and I have seen
those complaints about people

1315
01:18:24,500 --> 01:18:26,600
say.
Do they focus on Negan too much

1316
01:18:26,600 --> 01:18:29,300
blah, blah, blah, and they're
doing that with this season, but

1317
01:18:29,300 --> 01:18:33,000
again, how can you tell Maggie
story without including Negan?

1318
01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:37,500
Because at this point, their
stories are intertwined because

1319
01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:44,000
Negan is the direct cause of
Maggie being who she is now.

1320
01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:50,500
And I think at the same time,
Maggie is a direct cause of

1321
01:18:50,500 --> 01:18:54,700
Negan being who he is now
because think about it Maggie.

1322
01:18:54,900 --> 01:18:59,100
And her chance to kill Negan and
she had planned on doing it.

1323
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:04,400
When she saw me getting broken.
She left him Nikki and probably

1324
01:19:04,400 --> 01:19:09,500
would not have done that and
maybe that was something I

1325
01:19:09,500 --> 01:19:14,600
opening for him to say, okay.
You know what, maybe I don't

1326
01:19:14,600 --> 01:19:18,200
have to be this person.
Second Chance is give people a

1327
01:19:18,208 --> 01:19:21,900
lot of time to think and reflect
on the things that they have

1328
01:19:21,900 --> 01:19:25,100
done.
And I think that was The

1329
01:19:25,100 --> 01:19:30,400
Catalyst for him, trying to be
not necessarily a better person

1330
01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:33,800
but trying not to be the same
person he was right.

1331
01:19:33,800 --> 01:19:37,600
Again, he may never get
Redemption from any of those

1332
01:19:37,600 --> 01:19:40,200
people.
He will never get in shape from

1333
01:19:40,200 --> 01:19:45,000
Maggie, we know that.
But I think she's the reason

1334
01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:49,100
that he is trying to at least be
a decent person because he has a

1335
01:19:49,108 --> 01:19:51,600
second chance because of her, he
should be dead.

1336
01:19:52,400 --> 01:19:55,500
So I'm enjoying it.
And then of course, I Absolutely

1337
01:19:55,500 --> 01:19:57,900
fucking adore.
Jeffrey Dean Morgan anyway.

1338
01:19:57,900 --> 01:20:01,300
So I don't mind seeing him in
the Negan, he can be on my

1339
01:20:01,300 --> 01:20:06,700
screen every day, I don't care
but I do want to see some

1340
01:20:06,700 --> 01:20:11,400
resolution to the story.
But like I said, I think in the

1341
01:20:11,400 --> 01:20:14,300
end it's going to come down to
either him a Maggie.

1342
01:20:14,700 --> 01:20:17,900
I don't want to say, it's going
to be him because that means

1343
01:20:17,900 --> 01:20:20,900
that he would kill Maggie and we
would end with that and I know

1344
01:20:20,900 --> 01:20:27,200
people would be fucking pissed.
If that happened, I like and

1345
01:20:27,200 --> 01:20:32,100
they were like they will
probably be like, I don't give a

1346
01:20:32,100 --> 01:20:35,100
fuck about a Rick Grimes movie.
I don't give a fuck about

1347
01:20:35,100 --> 01:20:38,500
whatever else y'all do, if mag
if needed and kills Maggie

1348
01:20:39,200 --> 01:20:43,100
before the end of this show,
people are done done.

1349
01:20:43,100 --> 01:20:44,500
Absolutely done?
Yeah.

1350
01:20:45,300 --> 01:20:47,400
Absolutely.
I don't think that would be the

1351
01:20:47,400 --> 01:20:51,300
case, if it were the other way
around, if Maggie kill Negan,

1352
01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:55,300
Especially if you know, I don't
know.

1353
01:20:55,500 --> 01:20:58,900
I feel like it's going to come
down to that, but I think also

1354
01:20:58,900 --> 01:21:02,600
too.
I don't think you, I think,

1355
01:21:02,600 --> 01:21:05,500
given the way that the
trajectory is going for these

1356
01:21:05,500 --> 01:21:09,500
characters, I don't think it'll
be an act of malice if it is.

1357
01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:15,700
Maybe Negan will fall, get
injured, maybe it will come down

1358
01:21:15,700 --> 01:21:20,200
to, okay?
Either I kill him and save the

1359
01:21:20,200 --> 01:21:25,400
supplies that we've Gotten or,
you know, we Save Alexandria or

1360
01:21:25,500 --> 01:21:28,800
we save him and everything's
gone to shit.

1361
01:21:28,900 --> 01:21:31,800
I think it's going to come down
to something like that, whereas

1362
01:21:31,800 --> 01:21:35,100
she's not, she's like I said,
she's not gonna ever forgive

1363
01:21:35,100 --> 01:21:38,900
him, but I think it will get to
a point where she may just have

1364
01:21:38,900 --> 01:21:42,200
to put him out of his Mercy, or
she may have to make a decision.

1365
01:21:42,200 --> 01:21:43,100
Okay.
You know what?

1366
01:21:43,300 --> 01:21:46,400
I can't bring you back to
Alexandria because you're going

1367
01:21:46,400 --> 01:21:50,900
to go back to being who you are.
I don't know, maybe probably in

1368
01:21:50,900 --> 01:21:52,400
the next few episodes.
Two Souls.

1369
01:21:52,400 --> 01:21:56,300
I'll probably look at it and
then I'll form my opinion as far

1370
01:21:56,300 --> 01:21:59,200
as what might happen.
But yeah, I think the horse

1371
01:21:59,400 --> 01:22:03,000
analogy with the trust and
everything, I think that's

1372
01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:04,900
directly tied to Megan and
Maggie.

1373
01:22:05,300 --> 01:22:08,600
Hmm.
Well, we don't see that we got

1374
01:22:08,600 --> 01:22:12,800
what, you know, episode 3.
So that 121 more episodes.

1375
01:22:13,800 --> 01:22:17,100
Yeah, I'm ready.
Yes.

1376
01:22:17,400 --> 01:22:21,300
But the next episode is going to
be interesting because I think

1377
01:22:21,300 --> 01:22:26,300
we found Finally get to meet
Pope and we see whoever this

1378
01:22:26,300 --> 01:22:29,300
river is that is standing with
dog.

1379
01:22:29,300 --> 01:22:32,400
So yeah I think we're going to
get, I think we're going to get

1380
01:22:32,400 --> 01:22:35,700
a reveal.
I think that's going to be Leah

1381
01:22:36,500 --> 01:22:40,200
and Dara's going to have another
standoff with a bunch of

1382
01:22:40,200 --> 01:22:42,200
badasses and he's going to come
out on top.

1383
01:22:42,200 --> 01:22:45,200
So I'm just ready to see that
because you saw him in that

1384
01:22:45,200 --> 01:22:48,300
burning building in the preview
that was Alexandria.

1385
01:22:48,300 --> 01:22:52,500
Burning know what?
Because this little and he's

1386
01:22:52,500 --> 01:22:55,000
still in DC, but he was
surrounded by ravagers.

1387
01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:58,000
So I think wherever he took
shelter, maybe they found him

1388
01:22:58,000 --> 01:23:01,800
because we do see that he is
fighting with some of them.

1389
01:23:01,800 --> 01:23:05,300
So, and then we also see that
the ravagers capture someone.

1390
01:23:05,300 --> 01:23:09,000
I don't know if it's Darrell
that they capture, but yeah, I

1391
01:23:09,008 --> 01:23:10,000
think he's going to have to
show.

1392
01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:17,500
That was my thought, is it is
there is a step to the right.

1393
01:23:18,300 --> 01:23:21,400
It happens again.
That means Leah would have Of to

1394
01:23:21,400 --> 01:23:27,300
be his Dwight, my gosh or maybe
Elijah is the one that's

1395
01:23:27,300 --> 01:23:29,400
captured and Darrell goes to
rescue him.

1396
01:23:29,400 --> 01:23:31,800
I don't know.
But yeah next episode is going

1397
01:23:31,800 --> 01:23:34,300
to be interesting because we
find it for me hope.

1398
01:23:35,200 --> 01:23:39,600
Yeah and we finally get to meet
Pope and see just exactly what

1399
01:23:39,600 --> 01:23:43,900
kind of sadistic motherfucker.
This dude is the explanation of

1400
01:23:43,900 --> 01:23:47,900
why he's so pissed at Maggie.
Jesus here we got some

1401
01:23:47,900 --> 01:23:50,700
interesting stuff coming up so
yeah we do.

1402
01:23:51,300 --> 01:23:53,600
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1403
01:23:54,300 --> 01:23:58,700
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1404
01:23:58,700 --> 01:24:00,900
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1405
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