Fandom Hybrid Podcast #106 – The Walking Dead S11E3

0:25 What's up hybrids? Welcome back to another episode of The Phantom hybrid podcast. This is hanako and I'm here with Casey and we are discussing the third episode of The Walking Dead season 11. And this episode is aptly titled hunted and boy oh boy man. Girl there were so many scary moments in this episode with me. I was like I told you, I feel like watching this new season. I feel like I'm Watching back-to-back horror movies. Yeah, that's the feeling I'm getting from it. I'm not mad at it. I'm not mad at it because it's not as bad. Because like I said, I don't really do horror that much anymore. As I've gotten older, my tolerance for certain things just yet so I can't really do horror because I'm one of those people.

1:15 I have a very vivid imagination, so whatever I see on the screen, I actually dream about that stuff like I would literally read Replay the movie or the TV show in my head while I sleep, but I'll go. But you like I'm in it sometimes so I don't do a lot of horror but of course is walking dead. So I have to do Walking Dead but yeah y'all don't know what y'all doing. I mean keep doing it but I don't know what y'all doing cuz yeah I'm finding myself like it took me almost an hour and a half to watch this episode. All right because I had to keep pausing life. All right. Get it together.

1:56 I was like y'all can't keep scaring me like this. Y'all can't keep jumping. When Maggie was walking through the mall, speaking of which shout out to South Lake Mall, right up the street from my house. That's where they filmed it. I actually drove around the mall right before they started feeling. So it's like I was there when they first started setting up stuff. So it's really surreal to see what it started as and then what it ended up as but when she Is running in that mall and she was kind of going around the corners. And I was just like, I was expecting somebody to show up and when that rabid you finally showed up behind her girl, I was like I said, y'all can't be stressing me out. I'm not about to have no heart problems over here, fucking with The Walking Dead, we just never know. That's that old scary movie thing where you turn the light on and they do when you flick the lighter and he was behind her because it first Walker scared the shit out of me when she lost the flashlight.

2:57 That were. So then when she, you know, going up more listening, going up more listening. And then she turn that damn lighter on hill behind outside of my Lord. I cannot take it. But see the thing is I saw him like creeping up behind her even before she turned the light on. Yeah, I miss because I was like, is that I was like, is that a ravager coming up? I was like, oh man, you turn around back and turn around back and turn around because she It literally just shown us the viewers, how unstable those rails were like, literally she she knocked the Walker over it and it fell down, you know, down staircase. So we had just seen this house.

3:38 Like if he pushes her, it was chasing me so much in this episode so much. But let's start at the top because you got to watch the episode before I did. Now I actually stayed up Night before trying to, you know, I was like okay I'm a watch it when it first comes out and I keep forgetting that it doesn't come out exactly at midnight because they wait until 3 a.m. that way. The people on the west coast. Can watch it at the same time as us, which that sucks for y'all. Did anybody tell you how to live on the west coast? But anyway, um, so I fell asleep. You messaged me Sunday morning, like, have you watched it yet? I was like, no, I'm getting ready. Watch it now, you like girls and first five minutes I was like, is it that bad?

4:27 And then I remember where we left off in the last episode and I was like, oh, it's some shit about to go down. I was like some people about to die. Now I knew it wasn't going to be any of our people but still, I kind of like Maggie's people. Yeah. And the fact that all of these people who were on this Mission with her, none of her people made it out. None of her people made it out. I was like, Okay. Well, I'm glad it's none of our people. Of course we don't know where Darrell is yet but we know they're not killing Darryl, so he's safe but none of her people made it now. So you know that's about to weigh heavily on her to even though, you know, in the last episode she was talking about how she had lost part of herself and you know, how she had to adjust dealing with this new world. And, you know, when the whole thing with Gauge went down, it almost looked like, okay, Maggie Kind of feeling. And I know she had to kind of maybe give off a Torah so that she can get done what she needed to get done. But we saw in this episode Megan and is unaffected as she wants everybody to believe, right?

5:40 But this episode starting at the beginning, man. So we pick up where we left off at the end of the last episode with our group being attacked by the ravagers And there is so much chaos. Everybody is running around. People are fighting. People are getting stabbed shot with arrows and all this other stuff. Darrell had a near Miss Maggie's person, Cole the long-haired guy. He's dead. Duncan got hit with like three knives. It's a lot to take that big dude down. Yeah they knew 11 going to make it work. Right Gabriel had the side of his next.

6:20 Okay. So I know I was kind of You know, I had some words for by Gabriel in the last episode but that don't mean I want him to die. Right. So when that person has slashed his throat, when I tell you, I wanted to come through this TV screen my whole up now. You can't touch Gabriel Gabriel. No fault to get to where he is now. You cannot touch you. You're all there was so much going on in this scene and then I really like the way. That they showcased Maggie in the same because she's on her knees. And it's almost like, For her everything is moving in fast motion or rather is moving in normal time. But at the same time I feel like she was looking at it as slow motion as well.

7:07 Just the way that they were kind of panning the camera around her with this glow which was really weird and it had her kind of ethereal like and I was like, okay Maggie can't be injured, or Gravely injured and watching this go down I don't think that's what this was but of Course, we just see that she's kind of, it's like one of those things where she sees her whole world falling apart in front of her, after everything, they just went through, in the tunnels, to try to get everybody through safely. This is what they walk into, right? And there's just so much going on Daryl and dog. Take off after one of the ravagers. Maggie is there in the clearing by herself for a moment and she's like I said, she's looking around and There's one sneaking up behind her and she has picked up Elijah's one of his pickaxe and she turns around and throws that thing and it lands in the tree, right near the dude and he looks and then when he turns around, she is gone.

8:12 I was like, oh, Maggie picking up some go skills here, but the way the ravages of snatching, the way they snatched up Eliza put that rope behind it, and you were gone. Why I said the first five minutes when I sent you that message I was like hey my like they were selecting folks off the air and then when Cheryl she was left standing there all by herself and nobody like everybody go. Everybody go like not even know bodies is laying around that wasn't you? That mr. Goldstein. This, the way, they filmed that. And the way that when it comes back to Maggie, and she's all by herself and she's Looking around, and no one is there.

8:59 No one. Now that not nobody laying their wounded, nothing right. Except for that person who almost got his face match when she threw that acts. And as soon as he turned to look at and she was gone, she was going. I was like, what, what are we? Yeah, that whole thing was interesting and then she picks up. We see her walking through the parking lot of an Bandon mall. Like I said, that sounds like Mom to us and she goes into this place. And again I'm she's by herself and she sneaks into this place. She starts setting traps just in case someone follows her and somehow they still got in. You know, I and I'm sure it's a mall. So they probably came in through another entrance, they probably hit, even maybe use that place, right? But everything that went down in that mall with, you know, we discussed it early on in, Episode. We were just like, okay, let's get this out. The way, the jump scares her going through the corridors, and going through the stairwell hearing the Walker. But not actually seeing where it came from, or where it was coming from.

10:11 And then her going up the staircase, and then, you know, kind of putting the flashlight down. So she can see down into the stairwell. I was so expecting for an arrow to come up at her or I will Is just after that episode I was just at this point, I'm just expecting anything. I really thought she was going to look down and there was going to be a whole bunch of ravagers like just coming up the staircase behind her. That's just what I was expecting. I was like okay y'all giving me too many horror movie Vibes and I'm thinking like the scream person is going to come around with his little mask around the corner and just oh, I was just uh uh uh uh it's too much, it's too much.

10:56 Like you said, one of them sneaks up behind her, she fights him and she actually knocked him over the rail. So Betty by to him I was like, okay. And then you see her sitting there because they have now made it up a few more flights. You hear her? Sing her standing there. Waiting for the food, right? I want to make sure he's dead. Like he can't come back up the stairs after me that part because, you know, yes, the movies that we tend to watch, you know, somebody would have grabbed hold of a rail, been able to like lift themselves over came back after her. But you know this this Echoes.

11:44 This is going to sound real weird. This Echoes real life a little bit more. Yeah. And it's weird because we're talking about a zombie apocalypse so but she met Her way into a part of the mall where you know, there's like a couple of things that have been left behind like some mannequins, I think a desk and stuff like that and as she's walking, she comes across Alden. Who has also sought refuge in the mall and then as they come across each other saying that, okay, it's a friendly face. They get attacked by two other ravagers and I mean they are fighting it.

12:26 It out, you know, all and gets attacked. Then somebody comes after Maggie and Mac is quick on her feet. I'm noticing that she thinks quickly. Like, I don't know what kind of training she's been doing, but she's been dodging, some very, very close calls. But the one thing I don't like about these two ravagers, they have both of Elijah's. I don't even know what you call them. They're not a pickaxe but you know his his cookie thingies. Yes. Whatever they're called. Yeah, and you know, the funny thing is, I'm going to remember what they're called after this episode, but I have to think about it right now.

13:06 Absolutely. So that bothered me because that maybe means that Elijah's dead as well. And the one thing, one thing I don't like about this show is that they introduce characters to us and they and I know that's probably what the nature supposed to be, because this is what probably happens in these kinds of circumstances. Dances in Wartime. And, you know, when you're in an area that's been ravaged and random people can come together, partner up to kind of survive and you get to know these people and then they just snatch him away from you. Like, Elijah has so much potential coming into the season because everybody was like, hold up, who is the masked ninja, dude? And now, it looks like he might be gone because these two ravagers have they each have one of his weapons. Ying go.

13:56 Help me, find anyone, I know, but as the, the ravager that's fight and Maggie gets ready to push this thing into her. She is able to kind of kick him off of her. She grabs a bottle that's kind of laying a little bit of ways from her. She breaks it and then she digs it in his head and even as he injured, he's trying to lift up one more time so that he can try to stab her and here comes Megan from the back, but then I tell you in the last episode, he's to save her. He's gonna save her absolutely has to. Yeah, I mean, I think at this point, it's just one of those things where, okay, lesser of two evils, I would rather deal with her, then I would rather deal with them and he says, is much later on in this scene because after he saves her, they realize that Alden is hurt and as they go to try to help him, they realize that there's something about to be set off. I thought it was a bomb in first girl. When I tell you, that thing went off, I started screaming on Mike I was like, I didn't know, know what the fuck then I realized it was it was a smoke bomb.

15:03 I was like okay he's not dead cuz I'm just I'm not ready to say goodbye to any of them at this point. It's too early in the season, we have 24 episodes. Give us at least a little bit more. I don't know. Give us one or two more episodes before you completely yank the rug from under us. We already know we going to lose people like, it's gonna know, it's all right. Because, you know, we find towards the end of this episode that that may happen. But you know we'll get there right? But as the Smoke Clears we see, Negan magon and Alden. And of course, Alden is hurt has been stabbed looks like a couple of times in the stomach and this is the beginning of where I said we see that Maggie's not as unaffected as she claims because if you think about You know, all the Miss hurt, probably Gravely yet she still makes the decision that, okay?

16:02 We need to pick him up and take him, we need to leave. And Negan is like, wait, are you still talking about? We keep on going and she's like, yes, we need to get that food back to Alexandria and he's like, even neither has his stopping point, right? He's like these people are crazy. They just showed you that they're crazy, and you still want to go fight them. And she's like, look, look, we need that food for Alexandra. You got a better plan and he's just looking at her. She was like, yeah, that's what I thought he had now. This time he don't right, and the thing is, it's not it's not even combative. Like he's trying to be, I won't say the reasonable. Well, yeah, he's trying to be the reasonable voice and just like he said, he said, I know theatrics, these people just told us exactly how in saying they are. We can't be on the road.

16:54 We can't be on any roads that they would. Choose and she was like, well you tell me I'm playing that doesn't starve us all and he's just there and he tells her I am on your side Maggie and then she's like, okay, then help me with him. Because again Megan, you know, we've talked about this, we've been going back and forth about the whole morality issue when it comes to Negan and what he did and how Maggie is reacting to him and everything else. So one of the things that made nigun a good leader, I won't say he was great. But Again, he had thousands of people in his community and for the most part, he kept them safe because he had rules and he enforce those rules, okay?

17:38 And one of the things about Negan is, sometimes you have to sacrifice. Yep. In order to keep things moving along in order to keep things going. And I think that's one of the things that we we slowly start to learn as we see him and Maggie, kind of go back. Can force a little bit more. Niggas whole thing was and all this says is later on an episode when they're talking his whole thing was, yeah, we had to get shit done now, if I had to kill one person to make a point to get everything done to get everybody to fall in line, then that's what I did. And again we can see here and talk morals and ethics and right or wrong all we want to the rules are going to change. Somewhat slightly, when you're in the situations that they are in my, especially considering you have to think about it. Laura, was there with Negan the whole time and if you remember the, here's Negan episode Laura's father was the doctor that had the Mobile Medical unit. That nigga was trying to get the chemotherapy from any. And in that episode, we saw that there were some bad people, they captured Negan.

18:54 They found out where the doctor was, They took him, they beat him. We can only imagine what they did to lower because you could kind of hear a little bit of it on the trailer when Negan left to go. Try to take the chemotherapy medicine to Lucille, you know, we can hear what was going on whether she was just being beaten, whether she was being raped, whatever the case may be. Now at some point, he did come back after Lucille died because he wanted to kill the person who kept him from getting the medicine to her. And that's where we kind of I started to see the shift from him, but whatever he had to do at that point, we know Laura stayed with him and it didn't look like she stayed with him like she's being forced to stay with him. So at some point I'm assuming and we kind of get a little bit of the back story throughout the last few seasons. But we know that there was another group that was in charge of the sanctuary and basically million had to fight the leader of the group in order to become the leader of the savior's. So there Some leadership qualities in him. He knows how to make decisions that will benefit the larger group.

20:04 Yeah, the thing is, Maggie knows how to do that, too. And it's almost like their roles have kind of reversed, and that's not saying that Negan is becoming a good person and Maggie is becoming a bad person. No, it's just that. Now, we're being put in the position where we see they are two sides of the same coin in some ways. Like there are times you have to make really, really crappy decisions. In order to keep everybody safe. That's what Maggie had to do with Gage, but at the same time, Alden is a resource. And that's one of the things, you know, I was going back and looking at some of the clips from Negan, especially after last week's episode, we were talking about the confessions with him and father, Gabriel.

20:50 One of the things Negan has always said, is, people are resource nigga doesn't kill people needlessly. Learn Cuz people are resource to him, right? I think Maggie has a little bit of the same thought process. If not in the same way, you know, because Gage would have been a drain on them. He had already proved that he was a coward. He had already proved that he would have left them to die. If given the chance, if, you know, if it came to a choice, like if either, one of them was on the other side of that wall or that door, he would look into He probably would have left them too but the difference is he would have left somebody that actually contributed to the survival of the group, right? And he was not that and I understand 100%, why Maggie made the decision that she did?

21:40 Was it pretty? No. Was it necessary? Probably great. Same thing here with Alden, she's not willing to leave him behind because Alden has contributed even Remember all that used to be a savior. He was one of the people when they got captured and was brought to Hilltop, he was the one that was kind of pleading with Maggie. And Maggie was very nasty to him at that time and she fought him every step of the way he was trying to broker. Peace between his group of Saviors and her people and even when she was mean to him, when she was nasty to him, and she had every right to be at that point, right?

22:22 He still didn't change. And I think she eventually saw that in him and as we've seen Alden kind of grow with the community. He is a resource. She can't just leave him behind like that. But yeah, so Maggie's going to have to make a decision with all them because we see his hurt and we see that it's not a simple injury because later on they get cornered by some Walker's. Now Alden, here's the thing, he can still fight but we see that it is One point, she's going to have to make a decision but before we get to those kind of tough things, I have to say best part of the episode. We finally got to see the kids interact. That was the best part of the episode and ain't a smart. They know what the hell's going on here, they come okay. Children, but here's the thing, the to it's not even necessarily in An adult conversation they were kids talking like kids. Because think about it, when you were a kid and your mom told you this that and the other you go to your friends, man, my mama made me sick, she keep telling me that out of their shell. My was she talking about?

23:39 Because, of course, it's seven, eight, ten year olds, we know everything right, but just being able to see Judith and RJ and Herschel, and Gracie, having fun being kids, they're sitting there playing card games. Hershel is talking, I was so glad to hear more than Whereas come out of his mouth. It's like finally we're going to some conversation between them. We get to hear RJ talk a little bit. Yeah, it was fun but yeah, they did have a conversation where, you know, Herschel a student. He says, do you ever worry about your mom when she goes away? And Judas, like, I'm used to it. She says, grown-ups are always running off doing things and this she makes these little funny promise to see you soon.

24:22 Love you, right? What is this? This part of the episode made me so happy. But then Herschel he says, that's the kind of stuff that used to say in the olden times, right? I was like, excuse me sir, we are not that old. I understand. This is the only world that, you know, but this apocalypse is 19 years old back in. With my mom was a kid right four score and seven. Here's why we are not that old boo, but you do see a little bit more maturity with Herschel because you have to think about it. He's been with Maggie this whole time. So chances are, he's had to see a lot of the stuff that she's had to do especially when you think about the story that she told about the guy.

25:16 I mean, I'm pretty sure there might not have been a very good way for her to keep that from him. So you No, we get a little wisdom from him, you know, they can't promise it now, but they say it anyways. And Judas says, they just don't want us to think they're not coming back is supposed to make us feel better. He says they say it to make themselves feel better. I was like oh listen to the right. Tell me how you really feel. That's right. Ryan, listen to the wisdom coming from Young Glen but then Judas says, my mom always comes back and RJ's like, yeah. So I feel like that's a little bit of foreshadowing.

25:58 We get Michonne back this season. Dammit scared. They will not make her say something like that and then not bring Michonne back. I told you, I'm looking for every little thing in this season, like all still, not a picked up a pencil. What does that mean? Now, you know, no one will be more excited than me if Michelle's, and of course, know what I'm gonna have to spoil that if you don't watch it, I will probably hear you screaming from your house, you Katie. And I live like seven miles from each other. So yeah, I would probably hear you scream from your house. You definitely will like, oh my God.

26:42 See. I'm gonna let me go watch this episode. If you would. It would be mandatory. We would have to talk about it that now. Oh yeah, definitely definitely. Like come on, get on this podcast. Let's go. Let's go. Right. But back in Alexandria. They're still trying to fix the wall and Carol has apparently been out because they are or caroling Kelly. I should say they've been out. I'm assuming they've been out looking for Connie still but also their horses. Have run off. I'm pretty sure the horse is probably, would let go by Alpha and their group when they, you know, when they knock down the Walls, there was nothing holding them in. So Aaron kind of him and Carol, have a little bit of a, I was an argument just a little bit of a disagreement because she was supposed to be there, helping them rebuild the wall and she prioritized other things.

27:38 And so you see them having kind of a discussion about it about what's important. And what's not and you can see Carol is, she looks like she is barely holding on at this point. You know, everybody's starving. There's no food. The walls are down and then thinking about how much time she's been spending with Kelly, she's looking for Connie because she still feels guilty. Yep. And you can tell Kelly doesn't hold anything against her. He is what still I think. She's probably still gonna be. She's gonna To be unsure of herself in a where she fits in with the community until she has some closure on that front.

28:18 I feel, whether they find Connie alive, or whether they find Connie dead. I just think at this point, she needs that closure so that she can move forward and figure out what's going to happen with her relationship with Daryl because she and dad were again. They're not really speaking to each other right now. Darryl is still pissed because, you know, we know it had a happy yet but call me was kind of sort of The way to becoming a boo thing. You have my boo thing trapped in the cave in. Yeah, I can hear the Carol and Daryl people now know, But I like the idea of Daryl with Connie something different.

28:59 I mean, considering where we met Darryl and what he was like when we met him and the person he is now I think Connie will be a good fit for him. I do. But I also think that if, as you say we think one of the ravages of someone from his past whom we don't see because I think I personally think if one of Is Leah, Darrell has because I do we know how much time has passed from the time. It hasn't been the whole time because it was right after Rick past that, or Rick left that he met her. So how much time has it's been some years?

29:41 It's been a few years, okay? Because I think from the time that rig disappeared to the time that were met Leah, if I remember the way the timeline kind of count it down in that episode probably About a year and a half. Okay. And then she left, he came back to Alexandria and then I mean, Michelle was still pregnant at that time, and she had just had RJ. So it hasn't been about 45 years because I think RJ at this point is about five, right? Okay, so yeah, so then if she does so happen to be is that still unresolved issues right there? So that that is going to be a very interesting. Folding when that finally happens, if is revealed to be her, it's gonna be interesting.

30:29 But at the same time, I don't think it will affect much simply because we see what the ravagers do to people. And just from what Maggie describes, if she's falling in with those type of people and that's what she's doing. Yeah, daring, go on. Fuck with her. You think they like you literally come in. Mmm. You come in the middle of the night. You killed People while they're sleeping, you take all of their things, you string them up in the trees and leave them there for other people to find. That's a whole different level of sadistic. That's the kind of behavior that you would expect from people, like maybe the claimers, maybe not to that extreme, but they were kind of on that level and you saw how Dara was when he was with them. Like he didn't want to be with them. But at that point, you know, yeah, they have been split up from everybody.

31:22 He had lost Ben. If he doesn't have nothing else, nowhere else to go because he didn't know who was still alive from the prison. I guess that. Yeah I guess that makes sense. But yeah if he has a choice and even if she has a plausible explanation like okay well they made me be with them or else they were going to kill me okay? I can understand that but still it's like I don't know I don't I don't see that being as meaningful a relationship as these other people because he's had you Years with some of these other people. Even at this point, I think Connie and her crew have been there for maybe a year, maybe a little bit over a year. And we see that there is a little bit of, if not even romance.

32:07 There is a friendship. There, there's a lot of trust there. I mean, think about it, when dad was going to the kingdom, he left, Dogwood Connie. He was like, yeah, I can you watch my dog for me with no hesitation, you know, and I think, part of that is because when Lydia ran away Henry, rather. When they ran away and Darrell was going to look for them, she was the only one that volunteered to go with him. And when he tried to refuse, she asserted herself, she was like, no, I'm good. And for someone from Daryl's background, that'll probably didn't have a lot of experience with Ron speaking people or anyone in that Community, you know. And even if he did, he probably wouldn't have Pay her, no kind of attention back then because she's a black woman think about who his brother was, and, you know, Merle had to get that attitude from somewhere most likely their father. Think about the way Darrell described his father in that episode, where him, he and Beth found that abandoned house. His father was straight redneck, so this would have never caused a radar.

33:16 So that kind of shows you also his growth and then also him taking the time to learn how to sign and a zombie. It looks like how do you even write, you know, you're right but for him to care enough to do that because I don't really see too many other people signed to her. I think I've seen Carol signed to her a little bit but you don't really see that with other people because you don't see her interact with a lot of the other people when she does. She's always riding and they're speaking because she can read lips. So just the fact that he's taking that kind of effort with her. Yeah, I think that the potential is there. Leah. I don't know.

33:56 I just I feel like she was good for him in the place where he was at that time because he was in a hopeless place. He was kind of ready to give up. He didn't want to go back to Alexandria because that was too painful for him to be around people who he associated with Rick. So I think she was good for him at that time but as far as something long-lasting at, I mean, as long lasting as you can have in this type of world I just don't think that. I just don't think she's being gay. I would have to put that with either Connie or Carol and with Carol, I don't have an objection to them being together.

34:38 I just really don't think it makes a lot of sense, given everything that they have been through, especially the falling outs, right? They always felt more, like best friends, siblings, A live, they took care of each other in that way. Now, if I thought about it hard enough, remember people said the same thing about Rick and Michonne like, nah they more, you know, they never looked at them as a romantic couple. They've always even, you know, their interaction, sometimes people were like dependent relationship out, you know, they weren't they didn't see man.

35:21 Please, I don't know what they were looking at because even when I went back last summer, when this pandemic started, I went back and started the entire series from the beginning and I went back and watch because it had been a while since I watched like the earlier episodes. But I felt like there's always been something between them and they especially. Yeah, you know. There was a lot of I felt like there was a lot of respect between the two. Yeah, and then watching her with Carl and her building that friendship with him, And seeing how they interact with each other. I think Rick probably saw it, but didn't think about it. You know what I'm saying?

36:06 Because I really don't think Rick was looking for any kind of romance. And then, of course, when they get to Alexandria, and he meets Jesse. Yeah. And when they got to Alexandra, he needs Jesse. That's familiar to him. You know what I'm saying? So, because even though I never took Rick as the redneck tight, but Rick lived in a small town. I mean, if you look at the episode where we saw Lori picking Carla from school, most of those kids were white. So they probably lived in a majority white neighborhood. He probably never even thought about, oh, let me hook up with this sister, you know. Okay, okay.

36:46 Well yeah, I always felt that with him, Not the top. But yeah, yeah, I always felt that with them. But, I mean, we'll see which way it goes with Daryl because yes, I do believe that Leah is one of the ravagers. That might even be the ravager that he chased in the woods. I mean, dog. When asked, you know, whoever that person was so maybe we'll get that reveal sooner rather than later and they can kind of put that to rest everybody. I almost want to go to IMDb and see if There's anything on there but I'm like, you know, I'm not gonna do it, I'm not gonna do it. I'm not gonna do it.

37:29 So gu right, but going back to what we were originally talking about with Carol. In this episode again, you get to see a little bit more of the bonding with Magna and Carol and Kelly and even Rosita, and I like seeing this because you don't get to see that a lot with everything going on. I like the Could they are focusing more on those things in this season because, yes, the community has been devastated. They're trying to rebuild. And everybody is kind of focused on all this, but to kind of see that, okay? We can't rebuild the big things. If we don't start rebuilding the small things so seeing Magna and Kelly kind of talking and Magna is, you know, one of the things about magne magne was very feral when we first met her. And to see her now, you can see a little bit more of a softness about her like, she's so tough.

38:29 But you can see a nurturing about her like when it comes to Kelly and then even in the episode, when Carol is so focused on trying to find the remainder of the horses, because as they're looking for them, they find some of their horses. And those horses girl, like, when butcher those couldn't have been, because they don't look like they were devoured by by Walkers. They look like they were cut, mmm. Okay. I just want to make that mean well because the horses will provide what the community needs getting them food.

39:10 Like Carol said, we need the horses in order to carts heavier pieces for the wall because they can't do that on Manpower alone right now especially considering the fact that everybody is starving. So those horses star resource and how do you cut down a community? You start. Resources. Right. Okay. You know you make them so weak not just by starving but as everybody is starving, they're going to start fighting. There's going to be some discontent when you start fighting amongst each other, you're not looking for the outside Intruders, right? Too, busy focusing on what's going on on the inside. That's the quickest way to break down a community, you know? If you were going to come in and take it, which I don't know why the RAV Age is would even need to come and take you because they've already taken Meridian, Meridian has food water right supplier point.

40:04 They just trying to hold on to, right? So at this point, it's kind of like why are y'all even bothering? But you know, how it is with some of these people? Them having what they have is not enough, they've got to go take from someone else. Unfortunately, that is human nature and it's like one of the big things about this show. We've seen that with a lot of different antagonist, but I like saying, The relationship building within the women and then you see them really respecting each other enough to talk to each other. When they don't agree with each other, like it used to be, especially with Rosita, like, being a mama, has made Rosita, a lot nicer, because he's always been a bit nice.

40:50 She just has that tough exterior, but I don't know this, something about her and Magna that I see. Like I said, this whole nurturing thing, we don't get to see enough of it in the show because they're always fighting fighting fighting fighting fighting. But you get to see that that kind of attitude and that kind of behavior towards each other. It's going to go a long way when it comes time to fight when it comes time to rebuild because they will have that trust for each other. They will have that compassion for each other. They will have that care for each other, to make sure that everybody's taken care of. And it's not just, you know, Man for himself type of thing, right? And they've been together so long at this point to, you know, everybody knows everybody and you know, write and they if they still think of each other as family.

41:41 Yeah. Like so even when you fight with your family, or are you with your family or, you know, whatever, at the end of the day, y'all have one common goal and y'all still family. Yeah. But thank you to it was, It was kind of sad when Magnolia approach Carol and she was like, I need you to give it up, stop giving Kelly hope and Carol was like, you know, I would have thought you wanted to find Connie alive. And I think, at this point, Magnus, she kind of feels like, okay, if she hasn't shown up by now, she's not going to show up. I mean, think about it. They've gone through a whole spring. They've gone through a winter because when Magna came in, when they figured out, she was alive. She came in with the horde that the whisper is Unleashed on a Hilltop early on. So that was way before the On, that was way before, the carnival way before, the carnival way before the winter blizzard where they had to escape, you know, they had to leave Kingdom behind.

42:41 And yeah. So it's been at least a year. Connie has been gone for a long time. Oh yeah. It has been a long term so I can understand Magma's attitude. Like look, it's been this long. If she was alive, she would have found her way to us. It's not like kind of didn't know where Alexandra was no. But in the same vein, same thing happened to Rick. Thank you why. He ain't gone home yet true but we don't know what's going on with Rick. We know that he was alive when he got on that helicopter, that does not necessarily mean he's alive. Now, we know he was alive on that boat, that Michonne found his little phone and his boots come on now, you know, we not know. I know, you know, they don't know. I know, I'm just ready.

43:27 Things to start happening. I mean, they are happening but you know, you feel like because we at the end like you want to flip to the last page of the book, you know, to see how it ends like rebound happily ever after last page. I mean, we know that's not all of his men will be happily ever after but you know, we can hold. Hmm. Oh, and speaking of Rosita. Hmm, her and her dream about Abraham, okay. okay, so, you know I was like, oh, Damn, he comes to me and my dream and he trying to tell me something good, you know I need to see if this was one of the episodes, Michael Cutlass directed because he's supposed to be directing, I think maybe one or two of the episodes this season but yeah.

44:21 So I wonder if this is one of the episodes that Michael Cutlass directed, that would be funny like you're giving a nod to yourself in your episode. I don't know, it's kind of that kind of worries me because she's dreaming about him and she says that he's trying to warn her about something but she doesn't know what it is. And she says, every time that she thinks she's going to find out he gets shot in the head and like Carol said, cares? Like that's dark. But what does it mean? Again, I'm looking for all the little Clues now, so they can't just be randomly bringing up. People like yeah, we know. No, Michonne is still technically a big part of the show because her kids are there, but for Judith to speak about her and say, yeah, my mom always comes back that's not coincidence for Rosita to mention Abraham in this episode. After like she almost never spoke of Abraham after Sasha died.

45:20 Because really, who was, she talked to about Abraham, nobody, so the fact that she mentioned him in this episode, you know, we wondered if we would see some flashbacks or something like That was some of the characters before the end of the season, he may come to her in a dream sequence. Like we may actually see one of her dreams act out, I mean, but you do also many baby spoiler. Only because I saw it somewhere my been on comic book website, but they showed a picture of Rosita and one of the Commonwealth students. So I don't know what that means but there is a saying that picture. Yes, there's a picture of her in the Commonwealth to so you're right.

46:09 Not sure if that, you know, has something to do with it, you know, her moving on to Commonwealth, okay. But some kind of way she ends up there because remember, it was a long as trip for them to get there. Yeah. So some kind of way, you know, Rosita I guess is going to leave or maybe Communities merge or something. Because I don't think proceeded would leave Alexandria. I don't know because Coco's their father Gabriel's there. She's not just gone, you know. Yeah, I don't think she's and you know, she was a she's always been that like you say that rebellious ones and then when she tried to shoot me, get that. So you know, she ain't just, you know, going to sit back and sit by while stuff is happening, right? So some something is going to happen to cause them. Um, two to go.

46:59 Hmm. Yeah. Something about, I completely forgot about her being in the Commonwealth suit. Okay. Okay. See now I may have to buy your hands, so I don't go looking for spoilers but you know, that wasn't totally popped up on. I don't even remember. Oh yeah. Because I probably posted some of the photos that they released earlier but Look, I was thinking of Rosita and Gabriel when we talk about Gabriel. Oh, mmm. This think the man that was on the Rock Girl. No, it is not from the rock is gone. He is gone long, long Gabriel's.

47:47 One of the people that got separated during that brawl and he has been, we know that like his neck was sliced, but it doesn't appear to have been a A very deep cut. Like it may have been superficial, but he did get stabbed in the leg. And there's one of the ravagers that he sees limping away from him. And so he takes this thing out of his leg. And he follows this do and the guy has left his mask in the ground that mass look creepy as hell. But father, Gabriel goes after this doing. I mean he's limping around. Now here's my thing. You just had this weapon in your leg.

48:28 And you pull it out. You ain't tied it off. You ain't did nothing to staunch the bleeding. Gabriel agreed to do better. No, no, it may have Clyde it. Remember, he got stabbed at night, it is now morning, so it may have had time to climb around, you know. But if he takes that out, that's going to restart the bleeding, maybe after he does. I mean, I see what you were doing there. I see what you was doing there. Yeah, no, he should have had that and it's so it's so weird. Seeing these people who randomly just kill people for sport for fun for some Bible, whatever the case may be, but he comes up to this guy and the dude is praying, and I was like, why I always got to be somebody who has this deep faith in God, that turns out to be The Crazy Ones in killed 17 million people. Right now, now, you want some forgive right? And so this guy is leaning up against the tree trunk and apparently somebody has taken a chunk out of his neck because he's sitting there bleeding and hand. Gabriel start to have a

49:59 conversation. He said you moved slower than I thought you would. I mean the dude just First up in the morning, what did you expect? So he starts trying to comfort Gabriel. Don't be scared and getting real life. I am not. And the guy starts talking this whole we have been blessed and blah, blah blah. I was like oh here we go. Just kill him already and I hate to say that, but my father Gabriel said, you have a funny definition of being blessed. Like you've been around here. Killing people. You're hanging people from trees by their ankles as As I don't know, totems as warnings, whatever the case is. So this do think he's blessed because father Gabriel is the one who came for him, like the religious man, will you pray for me?

50:47 Gabriel was looking at him out there one, good. I like motherfucker. He said, you tried to kill my friends. Yes. And they tried to kill me. They tried to kill you because you were trying to kill them and he's still going to ask Thomas and pray for me even your enemies deserve that much and finally gave her. Like, he bought the bash his head and he's like, I thought you were a man of God and then that's when Gabriel is like, he has come to a decision and he's looking at this guy and he says God isn't here anymore, you know, I was done after that. I was like but you know my god he has but you got to think about it.

51:31 I figured that would come Um, sometime after siddiq was killed the way he killed Dante. I knew this was coming through because when he killed Dante, I'm surprised. He is still warned his collar up until this point because he shall Dante no mercy, that was a rick no feeling like he learned his lesson, very well. That was a riktigt killing when he killed Dante. So, you know, I know he's a little bit more temper, you know? Is surrogate. Father, a father to Coco right now. But yeah, Gabriel has been showing us now for a couple of years that he ain't with the shits, right? He's going to do and ever.

52:16 He has to do to protect his people to protect his community. And I think at this point, after having gone through what he has gone through. I think now he's just at the point where it's like enough is enough but Dad, right? But I'm like how strong with his faith that even through all of this stuff up. Until this point, it took this for him to say, you know what? I'm done with God, do you live through a zombie apocalypse? The dead rise and walk and eat your friends. If you don't have questions at this point, I'm just saying me. I'm just saying, but yeah, so he kills that dude. Oh, okay.

53:04 In the top of the head, right happening? Like and wasn't gentle about it at all. We going to make sure you don't come back. That was one of those God isn't here anymore. And that's tab was the exclamation point on that sentence. Yes, one no doubt that God is not here anymore. I'm about to show you for show for sure. God is not here anymore. Neither, are you? What is one of negan's nicknames for Gabriel? Isn't it? Stabby gay bi, or something like that. He calls them. Y'all talk about that. I. Yeah. So I think he's earning that meeting last week. He caught a one. I would you and your one-eyed wisdom. Well at least he's not calling him father. Not the father anymore.

53:51 Yeah I love the way he said that father not but okay. Going back to Megan Egan and Alden because we touched on this a little bit earlier in the episode. So of course, they've left the mall. They are still trying to get to the supplies. Some when they were leaving out, they heard some yelling and some shouting turns out Agatha and Duncan have also made it to the mall. But Duncan is Gravely injured and Duncan is the big black dude of the group, you know, the big strong person with, that's the teddy bear, that, you know, put her on his shoulders. And again it was one of those things where I was like yeah introduced us to a character just to kill him in the next episode because literally Duncan and Agatha were here with. We met them, was it at the beginning of episode 1 and here it is episode 3 halfway through and Duncan is dead because the ravagers like I said when they attacked him in the woods, they threw light with 34 knives into his stomach. So the fact that he's even still alive. At that point I was Stop.

55:04 But again, this is one of those things where you get to see Maggie is not as unaffected as she appears because she seems really shaken by the fact that Duncan dies, and then she has to watch Agatha die. Okay. Oh my God. So, of course, they've left the mall. They are still trying to get to the supplies and they, you know, they see some walkers in the woods and they're trying to go around them. And there is a person and tied to a tree and this person has been looks like burned alive. And if top, there is a sign with the name Judas, so that person was a traitor of some sort of some sort, but we know it was the ravagers who did it.

55:51 But I was trying to see like can we tell clothes or anything? I couldn't tell anything definitive about who that person might have been because I was wondering if maybe it was somebody from Maggie's group. Somebody that used to be a ravager and then ended up with maggots group and they killed him. But I don't, I mean, I don't know, but this this person has clearly been burned alive. Yeah, they get surrounded by Walkers here. And Maggie is trying to help Alden because Alden is and your, but Alden is still fight. That's the thing. See, this is why Maggie is like, okay, yeah, no, we need to keep all the Alden is limping and fighting for his life and he is still killing walkers. But they get attacked by all these Walkers and Agatha. Of course, her arm gets bit and they're all still fighting Negan is trying to help Alden and he sees Maggie trying to save Agatha but Agatha there's nothing they can do for Agatha right now unless they can get her arm off which they're in the middle of a forest.

56:55 There is no cutting that arm. Also, net Megan has to pull maggot away from her which I was just like His people are gone there after that. That's when they go and they find a little church and old church and they go inside, and the idea is for Alden to kind of recoup and Alden tells Maggie's like, no, you gotta leave me. I'm slowing you down. You got to give to the supplies. You got to get to Alexandria and of course, Maggie doesn't want to do that, because he's a vital part of a lie. Exam Andrea and not only that he's raising baby, Adam, which was Gammas sister's child.

57:41 The one that Alpha made her just sit in the field so that the Walkers could take it because it was making too much noise and Connie saved it and then Earl and Tammy were raising the baby. And then of course Tammy got killed by Alpha and then Earl died trying to protect the children. You know, he got injured, he knew he was going to make it so you know, And of tied himself to a chair and tried to kill himself and of course that didn't work and then Judith ended up having to do it. But, you know. So, Alden is Raising this baby now and Maggie is like, you know, your dad. Now, you have to be there for Adam. He's like, Adam needs to be able to live and if you guys don't get this food, nobody's going to survive, right? And he doesn't want to be because of that. So it's another hard decision that Maggie has to make and nigun he tried Has to push her into making the decision, but he's not a dick about it.

58:37 In this instance, again, Megan is the type of person. He says, people are resource even. He knows that Alden is somebody that they really can't afford to lose. But at this point it's about Alden survival or about alexandrians and they still have a ways to go. They still have ravagers that are probably coming after them and they don't know if anybody else is left, we know, Duncan is dead. We know. Agatha's that we know cold is dead. We don't know where Elijah is. We don't know where Darrell is at this point. They don't know that gave is still alive. So right now it's just me and Maggie the weirdest dynamic duo girl. And you know, she says to him she was like this comes easy to you right being Reckless with somebody else's life and he's just looking at her and he's like, you still got to make a decision.

59:33 Vision, which is true. Right? At the end of the day, look, when you get done talking this way, right? Because because she says, but you don't get to decide who gets to live and who gets to die anymore. He's like it, and maybe true. But decision still has been made. He's like at this point. Now you get to make that decision. And the one thing I don't agree with her about, she says, it's your fault. It's your fault that we're here because you destroy everything that we built. I don't think that's true. Yes, he It have to destroy the hilltop but he had to do that in order to kill Alpha because at the time Alpha was the biggest threat. And then, of course, because he kill Alpha Beta came after them and in turn, destroy Alexandra, but that wasn't all niggas fault.

1:00:20 They had to do something because Alpha had them living shit out for had them living the way nigga. Had them living for a minute, okay? And, and they was not trying to do that again, but the thing is, Alpha was more formidable than Negan because medium was at least trying to keep people alive Alpha was not Alpha was like, okay, you know what they're gonna do with the dead, but the way you guys are trying to live and that's an old way of life you need to destroy that. So that was her whole Mo and she had thousands of walkers at her disposal so she had to die. They had to do it in that way. And Negan unfortunately was the only person who's ever going to Get close enough to kill her besides Lydia. And we can say, yeah, Lydia, you should have killed or whatever. That's still her mom, right?

1:01:12 So at the end of the day, right? So I understand that Maggie is upset but to lay the blame at Negan for all of this I think is not right, because there are so many other factors that went into that. And light nigga says to her earlier in the episode, he said your friends, they counted on me, they trusted me, you weren't here. Here, you know and this right she wasn't there so she didn't she didn't have to live through everything the alpha put them through. She didn't have to watch Tara die, should have the Washington nice died. She didn't have to watch Jesus and in it and Segi. Can't she didn't have to witness any of that and Henry, right?

1:01:53 But she does make the decision. They are going to leave Alden. They leave him with some Provisions. They also leave him with a knife just in case, and then he barricaded himself. Of in the church and Megan and Maggie. They leave off and I'm like, oh, this is about to get Hella interesting, those to having to survive countdown, and each other, and work together, having to trust each other so that they can get this food back to Alexandria. Yeah, this is going to be interesting. It's going to be interesting understatement of the year but they got to do it again to do and it because the even at this point Alexandria's Higgins home to. So it regardless of, you know, the tension between him and Maggie and Maggie and how she feel because her baby is there like, it sucks, but you got to put some of your shit to the side to, you know, for the betterment of everybody. Yeah.

1:02:50 You want to be honest? I mean be mad later. Yeah, be mad with everybody has a full belly. There you go because for now, like she said it, you know, trying to blame him for everything is not going to Work and trying to blame him for everything angle give people fair. So I, you know, you literally have to put everything, your hatred, your your you know everything just off to the side for the moment because we are trying to make sure our community survive right from these people that we know are a super threat that are super dangerous that, you know, don't care and want to help them kill y'all. Yep.

1:03:32 But I like how but I like how they put that little reminder about who these two are to each other when they take off, because as they come out the church, there's a walker there and Negan has a crowbar. That's his weapon and he bashes the head and of this Walker and then he kind of puts his arm down and the camera focuses on the blood coming off of the Crowbar and Maggie standing there. Looking at it and then she looks at him and then she just walks past them. So it's kind of like one of those things where it was like oh if you thought these We're going to be the dynamic duo. Hello? Reminder of what they are to each other. It was kind of reminiscent of Lucille. Right after he killed Abraham and Glenn.

1:04:13 I was like right right with assembly room. Okay. Because I have seen. There are some people online who I won't say that they're saying that Maggie is becoming the villain or she is the villain. But I know that there are a lot of people who have been Watching these last few episodes that feel like that's what the writers are trying to do. They're trying to make Negan the good guy and Magid the bad guy. And like I said earlier, I don't think that's the case at all. I think what they're doing is showing that everybody in this world has those two sides like they're two sides of the same coin and at some point you have to start making decisions that you never thought you were going to make because it's what's best.

1:05:03 For everyone around and unfortunately sometimes that might mean working together with somebody that you absolutely hate. But the thing is is your hate for him greater than the love. You have for your son and the love. You have for the people back in Alexandria who are depending on you to come back with food with water with supplies. Does your hate for him Trump that Or can you get over that long enough to make sure that the collective survives? Now, once you get back to Alexandria, I'm sure there's probably going to be a sit-down see Jesus meeting like they're going to have to figure out what they're going to do. Maybe by that point, right?

1:05:47 They will have worked well enough together to say, okay, you know what, I don't have to like you, I don't ever have to forgive you, but if you are willing to work for the good of the community that my child has to live in it, You are willing to do what is needed. So that we all survived, then maybe I don't have to like you, right? But I can call a truce or I can hate you from arm's length, whatever the case it deal with it enough to write. Because again, people are resource and like him or hate him. Nigga knows what the fuck he's doing and to just get rid of that based on everything that's happened. It's understandable but it won't work for the greater good. Not at this point.

1:06:36 Like I said, have that conversation again. When everybody's bellies are full, when the crops are growing again, when they don't have to worry about any kind of imminent threat when they're not worried about people with machetes and arrows, just chasing them for fun. Hello, we need to add in there that the kids made it very clear that Porsche does not taste like Tiffany. Yeah. You know I was just about to get to that part because Was the other thing, you know, we just gotta chew it real fast, my goodness, we talked about Magna and Kelly Rosita and Carol going out, looking for the horses and of course they find some of the horses mutilated and this is where Carol is really upset like the other three, they want to go back home and try the next day and carols.

1:07:23 Like we can't we have to find those horses will starve if we don't. And so she she gets ready to Keep going. But Magnus stops her and she gives her this hug. And at first, Carol is like, I don't know what to do and then of course she kind of breaks down and she hugs her. And like I said, is this kind of bonding moment with each other where it's like, okay, you know what, I understand what you're trying to do but you don't have to do this alone so they go. And at some point they almost feel like they're about to give up and then all of a sudden here come the horses running across the pasture and it was it feels kind of cheesy to say it but it was one of those light in a dark tunnel. Tight moments like you needed to see something good for even just a moment.

1:08:06 And they got to see that and we got to see that, we got to feel a little bit of Hope, because the horses were running towards the dairy, barn, which apparently they have a dairy barn in the area that they've been using. They were able to pin the horses and when they got ready to try to lasso the horses they realized, hey their horses aren't running, maybe they want to come home. Maybe those horses, saw what happened to the other ones? And they were like, fuck this shit. You like take me back home where people want to catch me, you know. And one thing that there is a message, I think that we learned in that particular scene and it's because Kelly tells them to put the ropes down because like she said, the horses aren't running they trust us and and that was something else. Magna said earlier, in the episode she was telling Kelly, do you know that horses will let you touch their nose when they Trust.

1:09:01 So for them to go to that and they walk the horses back into Alexandria, everybody's cheering, everybody's happy. Hey we got the horses back. Carol takes one of the horses to the barn, and She lays it down and she Comforts it and then she slips its throat and she captures the blood and I know the blood is probably for them to drink because even though we're thinking about it as oh, my God, it's disgusting. It's a good way to build up strength. That's something. That we learn in all kinds of disaster, movies and that sort of thing. But Aaron comes in when he sees what she's done and he helps her and then you know, like you said, the next thing we see is Judith with the horse meat and they're eating the horse meeting her. She was trying to tell a girl that conversation her. She was like, yeah, it's not that bad. You just have to take small bites and and eat it slowly and Julie doesn't want to do it.

1:10:00 And, you know, I think at this point, that's when Judith realizes that, yeah, Herschel is a kid, but Herschel has been through some things, you know, because he's telling them. Okay, well, this is this is what you have to do. And she's like, have you had horse before? He was like, yeah, when we were out on the road, like he's had some hard living and then he said, well at least it's not spider and they all turn and look at him and he's just looking at them like what you got to eat something to survive. But here's the thing that the horse scene made me think of So there was talking to episode about trust and have the horse shows trust and then the horses came to them, allow them to be capture, allowed them to be led back to Alexandria.

1:10:43 And then one of the horses was led to slaughter to feed everyone else, I kind of feel like that's an illusion to Negan and Maggie as well. Like at this point, you're going to build up trust in each other. Okay, this is what we have. Do to survive. I have to trust you. You have to trust me. I have a feeling. One of them is going to turn on the other and I really have a feeling it's probably going to be Maggie. I think at the end she's going to have her revenge and just when Negan thinks everything is safe. Everything is okay. Okay we've got this ironed out. I think she's going to turn on him and I think she's going to kill him. I think that's what that horse theme was supposed to kind of I don't know, it's my best literally something that jumped into my head.

1:11:35 As I was re watching the episode in the background light. They've been talking about these horses and trust and the horses, let them lead them back-home and then Carol leaves one to the side and kills it so that she can feed everyone else. Yes. But still it's like one of those things you gain the trust of this thing and then you slit It's throat. There's probably something. But for me, I felt it was more Carolyn Kelly. Nah, rather than me I didn't think not, not the point of leaving it to slaughter but the point of trying to get her to trust her even though she has, I guess you would call it some sort of betrayal by trying to kill the horn and causing the cave in. But like magnet was saying she's giving her that false hope that, you know your sister is still out there. Because she's trying to remember when Carol and Kelly were in the car and Kelly basically told Carol, you know, like I don't blame you, you know, for what happened, you know. So, it's cool.

1:12:43 But Carol is still, even though she's been told, you know, I forgive you, you know, I don't hold any harm or ill will towards you. She still trying to make it up to her if you know what I mean, and it's like when when somebody does you wrong, you like, all right. Gave you you know I'm good I have moved on but the other person basically wanted Cara won't. Let Kelly move on because we're going to go back out and that's why Magnus telling her just let her warn her. So you know, so she can get some closure. Yeah, so she can get some closure but Carol because in Carol's mind, I've done this horrible thing and I'm going to find either a body. Or Connie Walker and will bring my heart. That's how the closure will have with the break. We know what happened, but that is, you know what I mean? By stringing Kelly along with we're going to go look we're going to go look we're going to go look. She's bit trying to build her trust back up and then when you know we know Q Khan, he's not dead but you know, it in the event then that we find or they find That Connie has passed away.

1:14:02 Then you know, you built up all this trust to just, yeah. Better than Ah, that's that's the way I took it. So I think that has more to do with Maggie and me and because they are the ones that you know. Yeah. I understand Carol and Kelly have this thing or they have this kind of weird. True. So weird friendship but I don't, I don't think it's false and I don't think it's a friendship based on convenience. I Think they're kind of they're supporting each other. I believe they have a genuine friendship, but to me, there's ulterior motives for Carol, you know, just the point of, you know, she feels guilty. So she's trying to overcompensate. I guess you could say because she does feel guilty about what happened with time.

1:14:50 Well, I guess, at some point, we'll figure this out, we'll see what's going on. Yeah, I don't know the, at some point, they need to show us Connie. We know it. We've seen in and we've seen it in previews. What are they waiting for? Like, just let me know because she had her with Virgil. Yeah, give us a little hint, a little, you know, little sneaky peeky. You know, something to being selfish. Hmm, I don't know. I'm glad we got to see Coco and this episode 2. We got to see all the baby. Okay. Okay, they bring all the children's out all of them yet.

1:15:31 But you know, the funny thing is though. So we've talked about the time span with how long this should have taken or how long it should have been. I feel like Coco should be bigger. I thought the same thing like how she feel the baby. Yeah, she should at least be walking by now. Hey Judith. I don't know, man. It was a Super Grover. So again I love this episode. I have been hearing some people complaining about the episode so they don't like them. And it doesn't feel like The Walking Dead anymore and I'm like, you know, one thing people say, they watch, I don't know. But people have to realize that when you grow, you change you evolve and I love the way that this show is coming back in for this final season.

1:16:24 Like we said, Said, it feels like many horror movies. I feel the tension, but I also see the character development, especially when it comes to Negan and Maggie. Like we have to see that, because how can you even tell this story without building upon that conflict? All right, I think people who feel like that feel like they have to have some type of reveal every episode. So it was boring. This didn't happen. They should have done it this way, but I think me personally the way Telling the story is the right way. You don't want to give everything up because then what are you left waiting for? You know what I mean for 20? Something more episodes. Of course, we all want to know what's going to happen. Of course, we all want to see Connie. Of course, we all want to, you know, see how you know people end up hearing here and there but if we don't tell the story of how we get there, then you'll be complaining. Like all they just told everything right? Then there's no suspense is no like you not going to make everybody happy but I think for the, for the most part that people have Stuck around like as long as me and you have, we're not those people who complain that they were boring episodes. Or, you know, because we're in it, we're invested in these people, we're invested in the storylines, we're invested to know, you know, to make sure everybody has a happy ending even though we clearly know, that doesn't happen for everybody.

1:17:45 But no, that's not happening right now, but we're totally invested in the fantasy of it. You know what I mean? So, to me, people who We say that and like, boring, like, what happens always you watching, you know what I mean? Not only that. I think a lot of people have problems with the fact that in the last few years, the show has been kind of Negan driven, because of what he did to Glenn and Abraham. They're like oh we don't want to see the show him like I know a lot of people who actually stopped watching the show after Glenn was killed. So I do know and I have seen those complaints about people say. Do they focus on Negan too much blah, blah, blah, and they're doing that with this season, but again, how can you tell Maggie story without including Negan?

1:18:33 Because at this point, their stories are intertwined because Negan is the direct cause of Maggie being who she is now. And I think at the same time, Maggie is a direct cause of Negan being who he is now because think about it Maggie. And her chance to kill Negan and she had planned on doing it. When she saw me getting broken. She left him Nikki and probably would not have done that and maybe that was something I opening for him to say, okay. You know what, maybe I don't have to be this person. Second Chance is give people a lot of time to think and reflect on the things that they have done. And I think that was The Catalyst for him, trying to be not necessarily a better person but trying not to be the same person he was right.

1:19:33 Again, he may never get Redemption from any of those people. He will never get in shape from Maggie, we know that. But I think she's the reason that he is trying to at least be a decent person because he has a second chance because of her, he should be dead. So I'm enjoying it. And then of course, I Absolutely fucking adore. Jeffrey Dean Morgan anyway. So I don't mind seeing him in the Negan, he can be on my screen every day, I don't care but I do want to see some resolution to the story. But like I said, I think in the end it's going to come down to either him a Maggie.

1:20:14 I don't want to say, it's going to be him because that means that he would kill Maggie and we would end with that and I know people would be fucking pissed. If that happened, I like and they were like they will probably be like, I don't give a fuck about a Rick Grimes movie. I don't give a fuck about whatever else y'all do, if mag if needed and kills Maggie before the end of this show, people are done done. Absolutely done? Yeah. Absolutely. I don't think that would be the case, if it were the other way around, if Maggie kill Negan, Especially if you know, I don't know.

1:20:55 I feel like it's going to come down to that, but I think also too. I don't think you, I think, given the way that the trajectory is going for these characters, I don't think it'll be an act of malice if it is. Maybe Negan will fall, get injured, maybe it will come down to, okay? Either I kill him and save the supplies that we've Gotten or, you know, we Save Alexandria or we save him and everything's gone to shit. I think it's going to come down to something like that, whereas she's not, she's like I said, she's not gonna ever forgive him, but I think it will get to a point where she may just have to put him out of his Mercy, or she may have to make a decision.

1:21:42 Okay. You know what? I can't bring you back to Alexandria because you're going to go back to being who you are. I don't know, maybe probably in the next few episodes. Two Souls. I'll probably look at it and then I'll form my opinion as far as what might happen. But yeah, I think the horse analogy with the trust and everything, I think that's directly tied to Megan and Maggie. Hmm. Well, we don't see that we got what, you know, episode 3. So that 121 more episodes. Yeah, I'm ready. Yes. But the next episode is going to be interesting because I think we found Finally get to meet Pope and we see whoever this river is that is standing with dog.

1:22:29 So yeah I think we're going to get, I think we're going to get a reveal. I think that's going to be Leah and Dara's going to have another standoff with a bunch of badasses and he's going to come out on top. So I'm just ready to see that because you saw him in that burning building in the preview that was Alexandria. Burning know what? Because this little and he's still in DC, but he was surrounded by ravagers. So I think wherever he took shelter, maybe they found him because we do see that he is fighting with some of them. So, and then we also see that the ravagers capture someone. I don't know if it's Darrell that they capture, but yeah, I think he's going to have to show.

1:23:10 That was my thought, is it is there is a step to the right. It happens again. That means Leah would have Of to be his Dwight, my gosh or maybe Elijah is the one that's captured and Darrell goes to rescue him. I don't know. But yeah next episode is going to be interesting because we find it for me hope. Yeah and we finally get to meet Pope and see just exactly what kind of sadistic motherfucker. This dude is the explanation of why he's so pissed at Maggie. Jesus here we got some interesting stuff coming up so yeah we do.

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