The Wheel of Time S1E1 - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #206

0:25 What's up hybris? Welcome back to another episode of The Phantom hybrid podcast. This is hanako and I am here with Anthony Lori and Mike and we are discussing a new show. We are discussing the Amazon Prime series Wheel of Time which is based on the bestselling novels by Robert Jordan. And I'm going to admit, I don't know much about this series. I have been my old Mentor has been trying to push me to read them for years and I just never got around to it. And when I heard that the show was coming out, I literally stayed away from interviews, everything talking about it because I kind of wanted to experience it as a fresh, you know, fan, you know, learning about it for the first time.

1:12 But this is as Lori likes to say this is Anthony's ish. So we don't let Anthony tell us a little bit about will of time and what we can expect from this. Ariza what we might can expect from this series. So Anthony tell us about The Wheel of Time, okay? This is my ear. So let me tell you everything you need to know this but I'm not gonna do that. He's pulling a lorry know if we mean that as a compliment Lord, we really do. Oh, I know, I do, I do, I do first. I will say that I don't know as much about this series as Lori knows about them.

1:54 So this is starting to me but who really does. So I mean like yeah that's a tall order. I started re I really and I have no children. That's my excuse. I read these books years ago, I kind of stumbled across out of the world just looking for something to read and I started as an audiobook. So I listen to it first before I see, read the series and it's brilliant. I think is one of the finest series works. You never read Robert. Jordan didn't actually finish it. I think it was intended to be 12 books or 13.

2:37 Books. Brandon Sanderson came in and used his notes to write the last book which he turned into three books. Oh, okay. So the ending took three books, where Robert Jordan only playing the doing one, which I'm not a big Brandon Sanderson fan but he did a pretty good job. So the will of time we'll talk about it but basically the wheel turns and people die, the souls go back. Into will and it gets spun back out in this. Why? When you read the first paragraph and chapter one, the will of time. Turns and AIDS is coming past leaving the memories that become legend, legend, Phase, 2 myth.

3:23 And even myth is long forgotten when the age that gave it birth comes again in one age, called the 30s by some and AIDS yet to come and AIDS. Long passed away. Wind rose, my mountain of Miss, the wind was not the beginning. There are neither Beginnings nor endings to the Turning of The Wheel of Time, but it was a beginning. So the idea is that things happen over and over and over again. And this is something I think we've talked about in other words before, that things tend to repeat over and over again. And this is so true for the wheel. So the Creator God, created the wheel and the wheel is wet, turns out souls, and the will continues. So we are in the third age but it's an age that has been in the age that hasn't come yet because the cycle continues, so it's basically a cycle.

4:20 Okay, so a lot of this stuff has to do with rebirth, reincarnation. You're going to hear about the dragon reborn. So the dragon reborn was a guy from the first age who died and there is Faith in his return. And this 3,000 years later since he was alive, okay? And now he has been reborn either as a male or female, okay? And the whole point in the beginning of the series, is everyone's trying to find them. And then there's some men, they claim to be the dragon reborn. We saw that in the very few first few episodes of the series. First, we episodes, right?

5:06 One of the things that really drew me to this. Is it created my interest in Magic systems and people may have listen to podcast. May have heard me talk about magic systems before. They have a very interesting magic system, there's the true source and then there's the one power. So the true source is a different source of Magic, the one power can be wielded by men and women. But they're not the same, the side bean inside our and we'll hear about that later. Apparently they're not going to talk about that until we get further into the series. So in the beginning Moraine is going to talk about when the site and basically the devil is trying to break the wheel somehow, he was able to influence the world. There was an argument between the I said, I the men and women, how they should take care of it.

6:02 The Dragon of the time he wanted to close. He wanted to seal sight and away. When he took all the men to go do it. Shiet and fought back. They sealed it successfully. However, site and was able to paint the men, had the men side of the one power. Okay? So now men go insane when they start channeling and we call it Talent back when we were watching discovery of witches and you saw how they when she was doing the magic. And you see the threads and the The waving the flag with the weaving, this is very similar to what you see in the will of time. And I'm pretty sure that's where she got that idea from. Okay, was the weaving of the air and spirit and fire and water and Earth all that stuff.

6:59 Okay? So let me ask a question. So the I said, I from what I gathered from the show, the I said I are all women but you're saying that men were Either I said, I as well. Is that something that they change for the show? No. Oh okay. Oh, that's something. Okay, well you did say that anything. He said this before we started recording. He said anything that might end up being spoilery for later on, he was not going to answer any questions. It's not really a spoiler. All I said, I used to be men and women and even though I said that symbol, which looks like me and yang because it was the combination of the male and female side of the one power. Okay, when the men went to go seal site and away he the dark one, he painted The Mill Side so all the men went crazy. Okay.

7:56 So there were effectively no more ads to die male. I see that. So now, all a That are female because an email they can Channel goes crazy. Okay. Isn't there like a prequel that kind of goes into all that for before the first book? Because it's spring something and you spring. Yeah, yeah. Now here's my question and I and because I I'm currently on book to I'm doing audio books, should I go back and listen to the prequel? Now if it's not necessary. Okay? Okay. It was something that came out later but it's not necessary. It's an interesting read as good read it gives you some good background information, more information about some of your main characters, but it's not necessary. Okay.

8:46 I'm trying to think if I have any more questions. All done, sir. Well done before you started into the actual shelf. Let's see. No, I think all my questions. You can be asked as we discussed the show, sold the episode starts with our introduction to Moraine. We see her getting dressed and she starts telling this story. She says the world is broken many. Many years ago, men who were born with great power. Believe they could cage Darkness itself the arrogance, when they fail the Seas boiled and I'm watching it in background, mountains were swallowed up cities burned and the women of the, I said I were left to pick up the pieces and this Why I asked the question about women and the women in the men because from the get-go of the show, they make it seem like the women are the only Aisa die and they make it seem like when men try to touch the one power.

9:45 When they try to use the one power. Like you said they go mad but they make it seem like the men are not supposed to have the 1 power at all and in a way it reminded me of Doom, which we just recently A review because and doun you know you have the been a gesture at who are these women witches and they're very powerful and you know we have Paul who has some of their powers and technically speaking he's not supposed to because he's male he's not supposed to be able to access that power. So it kind of reminded me about that and then I thought about what Laura said about, you know, doing kind of being the the forefather of a lot of fantasy as far as those types of You know, those types of plots is story arcs and you know, that sort of Storytelling.

10:36 So that reminded me of that in this. And then also, as we see throughout the first episode, we see that the women are really really powerful, the ones who can wield the one power, and then you do see men who may have tried to use the one power, and like you said they've gone mad or they're close. To it. Or it looks like the I said, I are there tracking them down because they're looking for this person who is supposed to be the dragon reborn, and he's supposed to be bad, like they say, he broke the world the first time he was here, and with him being reborn, it can go either way depending on the person that he's inhabiting. Like he can either break the world again or he can actually fix it okay again.

11:24 Well well then the dragon lived Years ago so prison they haven't been any mail I survive for three thousand years okay so all the ads of that as the world knows it I'll ask that our women and it's always been like that even though that's not the case. Okay, um, When the breaking happened, a lot of a lot of things kind of went wrong and when they realized that, the men were channeling, like Marine said, the women had to pick up the pieces, they started hunting down all the mill.

12:04 I said, I, they could find and all the mill Chandler's and try to take care of them. Okay? And it's not something you can just make go away. So people are going to be born who can channel, so for the last 3,000 years, any male who could Channel, It has been dealt with by the. I see that. And they call that gentling, right? Yeah, even gentling or stealing, okay? Like still, they've been gentle door, skilled. That's basically them taking that power away from them because even more from the once the power. Okay. Okay, no no. Here's a quick quick question. The perceived Madness that the men seem to have is that mainly because they are untrained in the the one cow. It's not a perceived Madness, an actual madness. Okay, so actually see you before seen when the guy with the middle Chandler was running from the read Isaiah he the red sister.

13:03 He thought he was talking to someone and she's like who you? Yeah. Right there's no one there. Okay, search for the men. Yes. The one power for men has been corrupted by the dark old of dragon Reborn is basically the one that can wield. The one time I'm just working through this can wield the one power and not go. Batshit crazy. For the purposes of this discussion, I will say that any male they can Channel. Currently is going to go, okay? All right, hey, get your get your Obi-Wan Kenobi Lon. There's no way, there's no way around it right now.

13:47 So, so yeah, any the dragon, whether it be male or female because remember, they don't know who is going to be on their way, is whether it be male or female, if it's a male, he's gonna go mad, okay, that that is going to happen that because that's just how it was if it's a female. Bill sees not gonna go man because the female side of the one power is pure. Okay? So we have another fantasy series where women are powerful, who runs the word? I told her to go, I'll see how it goes gonna love this series because it's all about the human have. Now you know I was like I was looking at it. I was like, okay I can get down with this you know, literally the women are in charge.

14:37 And the men go crazy when they try to use it. Yes, let's get into it. I mean, it's actually pretty refreshing to see us like you going to the tavern two women are the one carousing and getting drunk and like and like you know being real Rowdy and shit. I'm like, that's weird but that's actually kind of cool. I'm like okay I'm with this that's pretty that's pretty dumb now. Now there are some things just like, you know, what's the other one we watching? Which one Shit. What we cares. How is shadowing bone? On bone. Setting up there are going to be some things that you as a woman is going to Black, really? Yeah.

15:19 And if they do it, if they do it the right way, it will be fine if not people may have issues with it. Okay, okay. Yeah, I was like, I was seeing literal, like, like lines that you could draw between a lot of stuff that we've already watched, like they're deaf. Definitely a discovery which is which is lines. You can draw their definite Shadow and Bone lines. You can draw their even lines to The Witcher that you could draw here. And it's like a game of that I have to Game of Thrones cursed. Yeah. Like a ton just like Dad. Remember that, you know, this is just like everything else in Fantasy is drawn from a thorium lore and branched out so it's like everything has certain things that are similar but I was actually I mean you could like almost you can almost hand pick like the characters and like when the part they're playing and like you know compare and contrast and pick. Oh he's acting like such.

16:18 He's acting like such. So it's kind of cool like this because like on ago I'm fresh to this to like I've never heard of it before it came out and I was like, okay. But I mean it's like it's almost like most of us like fantasy is basically like once you figure out where whatever Buddy's part is, is basically the same as like, you know, you can basically figure out who is who and what levels are, what levels and who's going to be what, as far as you go. So it's like, you know, as we go along, you're going to see Lord of the Rings in this, because there's a character who is straight from Lord of the Rings. George r.r., Martin was inspired by this as well, because Game of Thrones that actually comes from The Wheel of Time because there's He called the game of houses which you'll hear about later.

17:11 But that is what the inspiration for the Game of Thrones was a game of house gonna say. Even that whole thing about the wheel turning and the will being, you know, broken or all this is like I was watching this and I heard Daenerys Targaryen because that was one of the things that she always talked about was breaking. The will you know trying to break the quote-unquote curse of her family. And doing better and being better. Which okay, we're not going to go and you get The Reincarnation out of it, too. Because everything comes, everything goes back to, Lord of the Rings and King Arthur, and you're gonna get that in this instance, in a lot.

17:58 Well, I'm going to, I'm going to just throw this out here because, well, two things really one. Is that George r.r. Martin because I was reading up a little Before and I understand how Game of Thrones came out of this, but he had already started writing wild cards. He was a good, two, three books in before he switched over, and did Game of Thrones, which I thought was interesting because while the cars was supposed to be his go-to series, the other thing is that I'm watching this and I love Lord of the Rings and I love anything fancy wise but this really, really remind me of dragonlance the book series. And I'm like, huh, this is basically a A real-life dragonlance, come to life, you know, I mean, I'm waiting for Tesla Health perfect to show up.

18:42 I mean, it is that interesting to me, so, yeah, I thought that was kind of cool because it is, it's that every fancy Trope. And it's got every fantasy. It's like, when I was listening to the one on audiobook, I literally started a little note on my notepad while I was working. Let's get going. Okay, elf click this click, click click, you know as as the book went on I was taking off and I'm like This is awesome. Who's got everything that you can take out everything about might you have? Yeah, we're serious. Yeah, Prince said well, you haven't had the princes yet. All, they're all coming. They're all there and upset and Barbarian right now. You have them all. Yeah, I mean, even some of the names, one of the main characters sent her name is Gwen and it sounds like a grain to me.

19:30 And I was like, oh okay, here's some, here's some more. It's like we know this with fantasy all. See in some way, they tight, they tie into each other, you know, they borrow from here or they kind of get their inspiration. So it's it's fun to see and kind of pick those things out, you know. But like I said there was a lot of ear. Blaine is Guinevere. Yeah. Yeah. As far as the yeah Randall Thor author, Sarah? Yeah. So there are so the other thing that I want to talk about before we get into the actual episode. So from What I understand and just a little bit of the things that I heard, you know, going to DragonCon I believe they they had they used to actually have a Wheel of Time Track at DragonCon gentleness and they kind of face it out you know or merged in combine them all into be on the same track. Yeah.

20:26 So one of the things that I've heard about the show that is very different that had people talking is the fact that this cast is huge Hugely hugely diverse and of course not having read the books. I wouldn't know that but just watching the show and seeing like it's a little Rainbow on my screen and I love it because you've got people of all types there and I really feel like this is one of those shows that really truly reflects the world as it is. And I mean, I'm not talking about you have your token black here in your token black, they're like it really is a Mix racially diverse cast, you've got Asians in here.

21:11 You've got people of color in here, it's really diverse ever make sense of it actress. That plays dance music plays egwene. I think she's aborigine. Mmm. If I'm not. Okay, I could be wrong on that. But you're right I think is fantastic because we read the book races have anything to do with it. But it is clear that all the characters are white. Even when you get Two characters that could be argued later. There are characters of color. There's they still come off as being white. So, just like we talked about with Channel and on Saturday a bone, it doesn't hurt to make it a diverse can write and it's sad that there are people who are fans of the book, who look at this and it's like, what they don't look like, I how I imagined. Well, of course they do, right?

22:03 Look like which we met? Yeah. But the Thanks. So is, you know, where's with Shadow and Bone? We do see a little bit of that racist element because, you know, Elena's character is discriminated against because of what she looks like. You don't really see that in the show, at least, I think, right now we're five episodes in and I've watched all five episodes. You don't see any hint of any kind of racial anything in this show, nothing. Not even, just the racial. There's also So you have LGBT representation in the show as well and it's so refreshing to watch these people exist in a world where none of those things matter.

22:51 Like, there's nothing really pointing out or making a big deal of it. Like they talked about the fact that these two guys, you know, we'll talk about it later but you know the waters are bonded to their aissa die. And from what I gather with the show that means bonded in any way, and every way if possible, so that means that they may have a familial Bond, or they can have a sexual Bond and it's not anything that's necessarily frowned upon, right? Look, that weirdly, it's it just kind of exists.

23:34 And even with the two waters, They both serve the same, I said I but it's clear. It's clear that those two guys are together that they are lovers or I don't know if they do like marriage in the traditional sense. In this show, I don't think we've really seen that that much here, except for maybe parent, but with the I said, I, you know, they have their Waters and the bond with the I said, I in the waters is so close that they can feel what the other person is going through, which I Is really, really interesting. But again, you have these two men who are clearly together, you know, that I don't know if it's in this episode.

24:14 I think is in a couple of episodes later, but you kind of see them bonding over fire and they're clearly together. You know, one sitting the other ones sitting on the ground in between his legs and somebody's playing with somebody's hair and they're just having a conversation is very natural. It's not like anything that's hyper focused on is not something that's mentioned there's no mention of yeah. Yeah. Well, you know we're different and it's nothing, it's just like so natural and then when they're I said, I is like, you know. Hey guys, they get up and do I, okay, we got to go to work and and nine a vast. The question she was like do all three of them and the other people, they just looking like, maybe and blank.

24:59 It was just you know and like I said, I know we're getting ahead with that one. I just wanted to kind of bring that up because it's so refreshing. Chance to see the diversity and the inclusion. And it not be made a big deal of. It's like a natural part of this story and I really love it because I feel like that's the way it should be. Like, of course, we're talking about it because in our world, equality is something we are still fighting for. And even the fact that this show went with a diverse cast, and people are complaining about it because that's not how they imagine them. It is a little bit, you know, a part of the reason why I'm pointing this out in the first place is just like in the show, is just whatever and let's see what happens though. When you take race out of the equation, all the other things become the Discrimination like being from the two rivers you treated differently because you from the two rivers. That's true.

26:02 I've died or prosecuted against because rise to die. Will we meet the Tinkers? They're also being persecuted against because they're tinker's. So you basically understand that a lot of the Discrimination doesn't necessarily have to be about race within the show. It's yes. But you're right though, it's refreshing to be able to watch this and race, not be the factor. Like, right, you said, maybe the tropics their races, you know. No, we can kill them all day long, but rowlocks. So yeah, we'll get we'll get to the child's but but one of the things I love is like the main characters of the show. So the show starts out with Moraine who is one of the I said I she is actually looking for a certain person who maybe the dragon reborn and she comes to this town and it turns out that there are According to her for people who fit that description, they're all born around the time that the dragon reborn. Well, the dragon should have been reborn, which was about 20 between 20 and 24 years ago.

27:20 So you have these characters, you have ran out Thor. You have egwene, you have parent, and you have Matt, and they are all around the same age. They are all very close. Their best friends is very evident from the beginning of the show, but You know, egwene and parents are not your standard White characters. You know, they are people of color egwene and ran have this long going relationship like they've been apparently in love with each other since they were children. And you know they happen to be singled out by Moraine when all of this comes to a head because of the fact that they may be the dragon reborn. So that was interesting as well.

28:08 And then you have you have land. I think his name is land that meringues water and he's Asian. Yeah. So again it's like you have all of these. You have all of these diverse characters who are in positions of importance and power and it's very refreshing to see especially in a fantasy show because a lot of times our characters are kind Just there's the sidekicks or they're, they're kind of, in the background, you know? But let's talk about these characters. So I mentioned the for you have R and you have egwene, you have parent and Matt question about parents character.

28:57 So I've, uh, I've heard that in the books, parents character was not married, is that true true? He was not mad, okay? Okay. So it was kind of weird because one of the complaints that I heard and knowing or finding out later that he wasn't married in the books, it kind of made that that thought kind of Wonder for me as well. So they made him married in the show and what happens during the course of the show is as Moran comes to this town and she's trying to figure out who the dragon reborn is, there is an attack by this group called The trollops. And they are like, I They're like the Orcs of this show, you know, they're like these that is really ugly race of people and basically what they do is they come in and they slaughtered the town and we find out that they're slaughtering the town because they are also looking for the person who maybe the dragon reborn. Now, I'm not exactly sure what the deal is with that. I know that there is another figure, that kind of sort of looks like Voldemort in this show, that controls the trial against emergency.

30:07 Uh, yeah. That's what who I'm merger, but you can also call a fade. Okay? Oh, okay. So he's a fake. Okay, he's a fake. Okay. So basically, so you can be named he's not someone who should not be right? You can actually name him. Yes. Oh, so again, with the comparisons this person, he looks like Voldemort and the Fades from what I saw in episode 4. I believe it was they kind of look like Dementors to me. Hmm. So Okay, there you go. Did they feel? They're the field generals. They control the tropics. Okay, so basically what happens is the child looks come to, the they come to the town and they just start slaughtering everybody.

30:53 And during this fight parent and his wife who, you know, parent is Young. He has this young wife. They look very much in love. They are blacksmiths in the town so they create the weapons. So when they're Attacked by the chocolates. They run to their shop, they pick up weapons and they start fighting the trolleys. And I mean, they are holding their own against these trolleys, which is impressive because these child looks are very strong. They're very powerful. And like I said, they start cutting people down in the town, like, with the quickness. So what happens is they're both fighting these trolleys parent is on one side, and I think his wife's name was Layla was on. The other side and they're both fighting these chocolates with like, Spears and axes parent actually has this really huge acts that he's using, so he cuts into one try. Look and he hears something behind him and he swings thinking, he's about to take out another trollop. And instead, he plants the axon to the side of his wife. And so he kills her by accident and one of the things I heard, you know, people complaining about online. They were like why what was the whole purpose in even giving him a wife if they were just going to kill her off in the first episode?

32:12 And I was like, that doesn't make sense. Why would they do that? Like from his story in the book and what you see on screen as far as his journey, what we see so far did him having a wife or what happened with the wife because I know what the wife he has this sense of guilt and it leads into a depression and then like certain things a couple of episodes later he feels like whatever happens to him, she happy. Because he deserves it, but does him having a wife in this show, change anything about the trajectory of his character from what it was in the books. Hmm. Okay, I can't really answer that question, okay? But I will say he has, I'm going to be doing some mental gymnastics you.

33:01 So there you go. Parent has a lot of internal dialogue. Okay, it's character. He's not Communicator. Okay with other people. This actor does a really good job with that. He didn't speak a lot. A lot of parents motivations and how he feels is all internal okay. So they can't just going to it would be very hard to try to explain why he's such a breathing depressed, you know. Arc introspective character to be that talking to nobody.

33:41 So to say him up there way, they give him this wife, a pregnant wife, oh, sir. Oh, that's right. And then right into the deep depression, the dark breathing pairing that we all know and love because that's basically how using a book this is now people who don't watch Ouch, you don't know the books, we have something to hang our hat on about this explains everything about him like why he's the way he is. Okay, so for that one, big, big thing that happens to on. Yeah, wait a minute. Laure are you? You're going to you can actually be Lori, you're not doing that. You know, zakhmi quiet.

34:37 Was so friggin heartbreaking. Like like you say he did a good job of like emoting with his face. Like when he saw he did it like his face was just like, like, like oh my god what have I done? It is like, when that happened, I was like, oh, like I didn't even like we didn't even really know her character much. And I'd know that her character doesn't have a big part to play in the story except for, I guess how it motivates him but just What I saw of these characters in the first episode, you know, you see these characters, you see, they're buying, you get to learn a little bit more of their personality. Like, you know, that for pairing, his wife was everything to him and his friendships as well. With Matt, you see that Matt has these two parents who are their trash parents.

35:30 Okay. They are like garbage. Heap parents, like, Dad is a womanizer openly flirting with other women in the town while Mom sitting there watching him like literally he's doing this in her face and she sitting there watching him and calling him names and I'm just sitting here looking at them like so obviously this is a small town. This is one of those towns where everybody knows everybody, where you all grew up with each other and your grandparents probably also knew each other and grew up with each other. So, everybody knows that these are his parents that they are together that they are married or bonded, or whatever. The case is, this dude. Is openly flirting with a woman in the town in the middle of the Town Square.

36:11 While his wife is there and she's so busy looking at him and being pissed off. They've left their younger two daughters at home just by themselves and it becomes very clear in the show that these two girls are Matt's whole world. Like he loves his little sisters and he takes care of them. So you get to see that you know, there's this I guess it's like a little celebration that they do in the town where or maybe a little time. It's called real time, where is not necessarily celebration, but it's basically like a way to honor their dead. And to well-built inews like it's the celebration of the beginning of Spring.

36:55 Okay. And is it the beginning of Spring or in the spring? I can't remember but part of that is sealing off prayers for the person that you lost or love to be spun back into the life. Okay, okay, so I guess there's this thing that they do is kind of like they buy Lanterns and they release the lanterns or they're like the lanterns and Matt really couldn't afford to get any for sister. So of course, he stills, from one of the women in the town, he steals a bracelet and sells it to this guy so that he can buy lanterns for his little sister, his little sisters and that was one of the things I was like, okay, the way that he had to do that. I'm frowning upon because you shouldn't be stealing but you sell his book readers.

37:45 Like they made me mad. Thief. He's a thing, but he has a heart of gold, like he really loves his sisters and I like that about his character with Rand and egwene like we said, we noticed that they have been pining over each other since childhood, and it's obvious that they are together in the show, but the conflict with them comes in the second meeting obviously together. Obviously, you think, During the first part of the show, but this is the thing. Be the age that everybody up from the book. Oh, okay. Okay. There was a sexual relationship between R and okay. Yeah, okay, they were, they were teenagers, okay? Okay.

38:35 But the thing with them is egwene, we see her at the beginning and it looks like she is being, she is being part of a ritual. It. And it almost looks like a coming of age. Ritual. But basically what's happening is she is being tested is that the proper that she's being tested to see if if she is, I don't know, strong enough or can be chosen to be nine. Aves. Apprentice and it's what is it that they call her winter or wisdom, a wisdom and They sort of the, there's a couple of things happening. She's now old enough at 20, to join the winning circle, because she's old enough to be married and and do all that good stuff. Okay.

39:34 Being a wisdom or Nannies, Apprentice, the something different like Steph something in addition to being in the way. Okay, Circle. Okay. And That's what we learn. Ran gets pissed off about later because she's like, I want to become a wisdom. Well, she can't get married. Yeah, I was going to say I don't think he was. Okay. One of the things that impressed me about the episode when they have the conversation because she you know, 9A have asked her to become her Prentice. And you can see obviously that that has some kind of like deep impact on her. We don't know what it is immediately until she gets back to the town after her after her initiation or the ceremony ceremony. Okay.

40:21 After her ceremony and she comes back to the tavern and She starts working and she avoids rant and it's very obvious that something is not right because at first when I looked at it, I was like oh is this one of those? Oh he's pining for her. And she's not paying attention. Then you realize they actually are in a relationship and she was avoiding him because I guess of what she felt like, she needed to tell them. So they have a conversation about her being asked to be 98 his apprentice. And after this is of course, a After they slept together and he kind of storms off. And in the morning, he's out on this Mountainside and she goes to him and they actually sit and have like a mature conversation, which I was impressed with because these are young people. And yes, when she first told him, he was upset and kind of stormed off, but it was never in a it wasn't in the way that you see, in a lot of young people, young adult relationships on TV, nowadays, especially like, regular non-magical relationships or whatever, like, those relationships are always very codependent, very, toxic, very It's in that way where people think that somebody owes them something and when that person doesn't do what they what they feel like there's like always this drama and it's like

41:53 you got to see them to sit down, have a conversation, they talked about the things that they wanted as kids and then when she says, I'm going to go ahead and be a wisdom. He says, I know, and he puts his arm around her and she cries and he's Just bear holding her like okay. I know this is your decision and even though this decision means that we can't be together that we won't have children together, we won't be married. It was just a very different way for them to handle that conversation and I was really kind of impressed because I really thought that it was one of those things where he was like, well we've talked about this all these years and how could you do this to me?

42:36 There was none of that and I was so impressed. I was like What? Also, there are reasons they need to put that relationship behind him. Okay, look Okay, Lori. I mean, I kind of figured that might be the case to but still, when you think about the fact that they have been pretty much, you know, all over each other since children like there's a concert in the two rivers in the two rivers, from a very young age, they, pretty much Start pairing the kid. Is that like, they know, kind of know who's going to marry, who write in, and they've always known pretty much that they were going to be together, and it is where I ran. Got it, upset you?

43:21 This is because she was going to be his wife. Yeah, and it seems like, um, you know how we see it with certain shows characters storylines, or whatever. It always seems like those kinds of marriages are arranged, but it didn't seem like that in this instance, because when Randy Is walking with his father. Who again one of those mental things. We talked about this talking with Hawkeye. Like I had to take myself out of a moment from another show because this dude was Roose Bolton in the Game of Thrones, he is the whole reason why house Stark started falling because he was the one that kind of helped orchestrate, the Red Wedding. So I had to see her light.

44:02 Why is he in the show? I was glad he being so nice and wives respectful and white. Oh my God. No, not really sad guy. And then he's having this conversation with these young man and it's a real nice conversation, just his whole appearance in this first episode. I was like I liked him as a father figure. This is weird but nice but you know they're having a conversation as they're approaching the town and he tells ran he's I remember when you used to Pick. I think it was used to pick berries and save them for egwene and I was like, oh, that's so cute. But again, it was one of those things where I felt like that was the story telling us.

44:44 Okay, this relationship was not one of those. They're arranged, you know, their patrol to each other because that's what the parents did is like, they clearly chose each other. So I think that makes her decision even more important. The fact that they've known this since they Kids that they were going to be together and you know, when they have the conversation ran says, you know, I always imagined our children running in these fields and running in these mountains. The same way I do as a kid and you can see her breaking down, like this is what I wanted to. But now, you know, now that she's grown or now that she's older heard needs, or her wants have changed.

45:26 That doesn't mean she doesn't still want him and want that life, but it's kind of one of those things where She realizes that there's something more important than that little story of that little fantasy or that little thing that she had as a kid. And I thought that was really important because a lot of times you don't see female characters being able to make those decisions. It's like whenever you see me whenever you see them in shows, like this is always one of those. They're supposed to be the wife, they're supposed to be the mother. I mean, it's basically a societal Norm, like, women are supposed to be the wives were supposed to be the king. Takers were supposed to be the whole makers were supposed to be the ones who take care of the children and here you see, a young girl who is clearly making the choice for herself that okay, this is not all I'm supposed to be. Let me go do something else and even though she has to sacrifice the person that she loves to do this, she stands firm in that decision, and even though it hurts him, he supports her in that decision.

46:28 And I thought that was so important to see in this A show even in later episodes when they have a conversation. Yes, he is upset about it. He feels heard about it and he lets her know that he feels heard about it but, you know, she gets to the point where she was, like, I know that you hate me, but if you could just at least look at me, it'll be okay. This is something that we would expect to hear from like broken relationships now and he just says he looks at her and he was like, I could never hate you and then they kind of go back to fixing what they a can of the friendship that still there. I felt like that was so important to show in this show and I don't know if that's what what happens in the books but the fact that we're seeing it on screen and seeing like people taking a break up people, this young let me let me stress people this young taking that kind of break up and being mature about it and able to talk about it and even though I don't want, I don't really agree with this decision because it kind of destroys what I thought I you know what, I was going to do it.

47:35 My life. But I'm still going to support you. And what you want to do that coming from a male to a female. I was just sitting there watching like wow. Can we get more of this in shows? And then stories involving young people, because we don't see that enough so much of the stuff that we see with young adult relationships in media. And, I mean, even in real life, like I said, you had that codependent that, that thing where if somebody does something that's not to the benefit of the other person, there's a lot of drama. There's a lot of tension and all this other stuff and this is what we need to see more of You know, is this a is this a ya novel?

48:18 Or is it just a fantasy novel? This fan? It's just a fantasy, but it starts out like that. Like why was it means I want to say is back to your thing about being arranged marriages, it's not that they arranged marriages, it's just their belief system about the wheel and how everything kind of happens for a reason and things, you know, things happen again and again, That sometimes they just feel that 2 people are going to be together so they don't fight it. So it's not like they arranged that wave around the vacancy that they kind of liked each other. And so no one was like, oh, they can't be together or keep them separate or know.

49:03 Someone else. Know, they kind of look like, oh, okay. That's what you see where this goes. But that's why I'm saying, what I like about this because that's what you're supposed. Well, okay, taking into account. The whole reason marriage exists in the first place is because that's what father's, you know, fathers used to give their daughters as property to a man as a business transaction. Okay. And to legitimize children. Yes, that. So thinking about it in that sense, okay? The arranged marriage thing, that's that's how marriage is started. But if you are thinking about it in 2021, or whenever this story, Takes place, or the way that I think it should be. People should be able to choose who they marry and not having assigned to them.

49:52 And if these kids knew or even if the parents could see, okay? There's something going on there. Like you said, they just let it happen, naturally. Like okay, if they're going to be together, they're going to be together if not then, oh well, but isn't it, what? It doesn't seem like, it was one of those things where the parents were, forcing them to be together light, you can see it in the show these two characters clearly love each other. And as a result of that you know especially them being from a small town like the parents got along together even with Matt and parents parents you know them speaking about them it's like they look out for each other that's the way neighborhoods used to be you know the whole it takes a village to raise a child like everybody knew what the other families were doing or you know, if your mom wasn't home, we're going to watch you and we're going to take care of you just as if you are our own child. You kind of see a little bit of that in these stories, you know, even later on when they're on the road, after they've had to leave the town, you know, Matt is worried about his sister's because he's had to leave his sister's. With these two dipstick of parents that, you know, that he has.

51:03 And parent says to him, you know, he was like the girls will be alright. You know, my parents will check in on Amigo Wayne's parents were checking on. They'll be fine and you don't you know again that's that's another thing. You You don't see that a lot nowadays. Damn, just refreshing to see it and you have the scene where in that Nev goes to pairing and says Layla is probably by herself. You should go check on her, you know who who can do that now, like can someone walk up to you to? You don't feel like my business and blocked. Right. So yeah I like that and it is just There's a there were a lot of things about this first episode watching it. That made me say okay, you know what? I will continue to watch this show because there's just there's a lot of we watch a lot of TV on the show and we have, you know, even though we love the shows and we love the characters, you can clearly see issues with things how they're being protected portrayed Shadow and bone is one of them. You know, we've had the whole Darkling in the Lino or Malin Alina debate as far as what's healthy, what's not and how they portray those relationships.

52:22 So again, it's really nice to see something different. Like you see these two people like obviously again these are young people, they're like 20 or in their early 20s. Param was already married and getting ready to have a child and he looked very happy about it. Like you know, you see all these little memes or you see things about when people get Getting married, they're like, oh, you know what, just put the shackle on me now, you know, it's like people look at marriage in such a Negative light nowadays and, you know, just to see something a little bit different, that's refreshing. Not saying that, you know, the whole institution of marriage, I'm divorced.

53:04 So, having gone through that, experience of what I went through with for 16 years and coming out of it. And what I had to deal with coming out of it, I've changed my perspective. On marriage, a lot, especially seeing some relationships that are not great relationships, toxic relationships, but the people continue to stay together. And then I see relationships, like yours and like, Mike's and like Lori's where you guys are clearly happy with your spouse's, you have fun together and it's a healthy relationship. I don't think we see enough of that nowadays, you know, the healthy side of the relationships. And so I like the fact that we get to see this. This in the show not just with the kids or I'm calling them kids, their 20-somethings.

53:51 But you know, not just with Randy gwaine but you see you see parents, I mean, egg Wayne's parents, you know together, you see that Rands father. Apparently, his mother has passed but his father still has a lot of love for his mother when he talks about her, he talks about her with a lot of love and respect and they like the lantern for her, you know. The her soul will find his way back to the will. It's just a lot of that that I'm liking about this series and I know that's probably going to change as conflict starts to get introduced but just for that first episode it was just refreshing. It was a very feel good episode for me. Even with all the stuff that happened at the end with the Tri-Lakes and everything.

54:36 It was still just building the relationships with the characters and seeing that it was it was very refreshing for me. If the show track Acts like the books. Do a lot of it is about relationships, between me and the women, okay? It's a lot about familial relationships. It's a lot about platonic relationships romantic relationships. The the whole, the foundation of the series is about reconciling the conflict between men and women. He goes all the way back to the male and the female. As to die and bitter conflict.

55:18 And that's what the the whole series is almost like he built it on that Foundation, of this is what you can do when you have positive relationships between the Sexes. So it may that may sound kind of sexist. And I do like how in the beginning they seem to be trying to write it a little bit differently by showing you the same sex relationships and implying others but it it a lot of it. The core of the book series has a lot to do with that relationship between side. Dean and side are the male and the female side of the one power, okay? Okay, now the other relationship I want to talk about is moraine and lands because that is I said I and her water and it's very clear in this first episode like she is, she is the one in charge.

56:18 She's the oxidized she's the one that's powerful but he is also powerful in his own way. Even if he doesn't wield the magic, you know what I'm saying, when they have to, when they get ready to fight the trial, looks Because they're in the town, the child looks of, you know, come they're attacking, they're killing people, she starts fighting them with her magic, with the one power and ask the Tri-Lakes are trying to take her down. Here comes Lamb with his sword. and, His fighting is amazing, but it's almost. Like, every time they tried to go to her, I don't know if it was just that he was feeling whatever she was feeling like.

57:01 Okay, they're coming at me and he could kind of sense it but that do was slicing them down left and right. Like I was very impressed by his fighting and also just the way that they that they interact with each other because even though it's clear that she is clearly, IE the dominant personality in this, you know, in this partnership in this relationship in this bond that they have like clearly the way that they that they establish, it looks like the ice and I are the superiors and the, the waters are kind of like their their submissives. You know, it's kind of like a role reversal but it's not in, that was shut up.

57:45 Anthony, I wasn't mean to me. Come on, man. You know, I was thinking the same thing. Hippies I was trying to think of different words so that our minds wouldn't go there. But I mean thinking about it like and without without without giving too much away, I don't know if you want to know more about the ice of that I and the bomb, they have with the waters. Yes, I do. You do? Yes. Okay, so before we get into that can we talk about? Okay, Mike. Can we talk? About Rosamund, Pike? How she just walks into that room and she owns in bones of it.

58:28 Like, literally, literally she is, she owns every any room she walks in and start roam, like, it doesn't matter like everybody. This literally literally a climax moment cuz everybody take the men, all paused women, All Pause everybody pauses. But she walks in, it's just like, and she was just, I mean, even when her won't win Lynn walked in, they were Everybody kind of pause to they were like you know when the extra meeting took his hood off and it's just me and said, I'm laying and this is and introduce her and soon as she walked in everyone's like oh shit, like their reputation precedes them so much that it's just like if they know who that you're one of them, they're just like, oh, okay cool.

59:11 Hey, whatever you need, I got you. Yeah, I'll get your horses. I'll get you. I'll get your bags. I got you this go up here whenever you need it. This way. Isn't it that? She walked in and and was only introduced by her first name and then I think it was a big Wayne's mom who was who, I guess they own that Tavern. And she said Morena, I said Morena sarasu die. Yeah. She saw her ring and all I said, I wear ring with their colorizer Stone in it. She saw him. She immediately knew who she was. Yeah. And and you give them the respect, they deserve. Yes, she walked in. And everybody was like, Right?

59:51 Okay, I have a question about the ring now, do they do? They need the Rings to focus their photos, their powers, or can they do it without the ring in the books? They don't need the rain, okay? Okay. I don't know if that's because it kind of seemed like even in the beginning with the fire type or whatever, the one in the red coat. Like when she, when she killed the guy like right there, and it looked like she was like bawling, like, clenching her fists with the ring on it. Mike She was like dry like she was driving power from it. So I was just wondering if there was like, if they need if that was absolutely necessary for them to I'm I'm like you, I was thinking that because later, there's a scene between Marina and Wayne where she's trying to get her to focus and I'm thinking because this is not from, I'm thinking he's going to be a part of what they want to do in the show to help viewers, understand how they're focusing their powers.

1:00:50 It's okay, but you'll see later that it does, you don't need a ring to do it. The intense your question. I'm going to say no, they don't need the ring, okay? It may be part of the training and maybe part of how they going to do in the show, learning how to focus your powers and then you just keep it but it's not they don't need it to do it. Okay? So the Aisa die. And you hear this later when people talk to eisah die they will say their first name and said I hmm. That's just the way they're addressed. So the bond between a water and I said, I so the bond started right after the breaking, when they needed to be protected because the regular common folk didn't know who was breaking the world, they just knew someone people who could Channel were ripping Sit up. And so a lot of I said, I realize we need guys Warriors secret protect us.

1:01:56 Okay, so they started bonding the strong Warriors to protect them. Okay. Now, A lot of times, it was against their will. Hmm? And once you're a bonded, you must do everything. The answer that I asked you to do. OK, they have no choice. So, if Marine tells land to do something whether or not he wants to do it, is irrelevant, okay? Now, she's not the type of person that would do that. I was going to say, it doesn't appear that they have that type of relationship, like they seem very Very well in tune with each other and they seemed very protective and very respectful of each other. You can for me, even though land is one of those people, he doesn't say a lot, you know, he's one of those quiet types but it kind of like Rosamund Pike. He makes his presence known like right and them together like it's almost like when they converse with each. Other.

1:03:06 They really don't have to say a lot like I feel like because of whatever that bond is that they can feel what what the other person is feeling. It's almost like you're watching a silent conversation with them is like they're speaking one thing, like the part where she was looking and he said, do you know who it is? And she was like, No And then he just kind of looked at her. It's almost like he felt what she was thinking. Like she said, No, I don't think it's, I don't think it's one person. I think at that point, she realized it might be more than one person that could Channel, you know, and I don't know if she can feel the one power or their potential in that person.

1:03:52 But the way that they spoke to each other's kind of like, okay, they're having one conversation with their lips and then it's almost like with their eyes, and their minds, they're having a whole different conversation, but they are always in sync. At least, you know, in this first episode, they seem to move as one, like, she's doing something over here, and he's doing something over here, but they're protecting each other at the same time and their movements are very complementary to each other. Yeah, a lot of it comes from come from experience who seasoned experienced Warrior benefits of the bomb, they fill each other's emotions.

1:04:33 They feel each other's pain with the word. Watch each other's backs and the hot tubs. Yeah. Ooh yes yeah that's the water if he's already a superb Warrior like Lan. Is he basically threw the bomb becomes like Captain America. He has increased stamina increased strength, increased speed, increase healing and he's gonna stay This way until he dies of old age, okay? Like he even when he's an old man, he'll still be just as strong and fast, as powerful as he is. Now, that's awesome.

1:05:15 That's pretty cool. Now, that that's how it is in the books. There's some other stuff I could tell you, but they might be too much. But yes, you men can be bonded against their will and it's not and you can have Waters and it is you combine. The anyone is this that they chose to bond men who could protect them. Okay, she bonded land for a reason and but we'll learn more about that later. Okay. Now the other thing that I noticed in regards to Moraine and I can't Remember what? The red. Asha. I can't remember what her name is.

1:05:56 The blond chick at the beginning. Little Andhra. Yes, yes. Now I noticed she The n. And let me ask this question also about the other episodes that we've seen the reds, don't have Waters correct. They do like they are, they are their own. It's kind of like they're their own Warrior group and I get the feeling that they are not particularly appreciative of men, like they, they're the ones that that hate men or something. Shit, all kinds of dip.

1:06:53 So yeah. Yeah cuz it's like if she was she was talking about him like almost like since he like when he has the magic flowing through him shoot, she's acting like he was getting the magic dirty like Like Ziggy in that filthy you like he was painting a gift and you're getting it filled, it was already tail. And there is don't believe that men should Channel. They believe that the 1 power is only for women, okay? That's where my confusion was coming in, because that's why I thought that's what the the actual thing was with them because I remember her saying that, so I was like, oh, so the women are the only ones that supposed to have a. So when you said something about male I said I That's why I was like huh so three thousand years of lot. A lot of things can change.

1:07:40 That's true. That is true with a lot of things. Stay the same to unfortunate. Yeah, the Reds if you re coming man, your dude and you're not challenge, you don't Channel, you can't Channel then I have a problem with you, okay? But if you don't man and you can Channel your problem and you taken care of So, let me ask you this question. If you can answer it, what are for each? Genre with the color associated, what is their designation like? Reds? Know what? Harry Reid is not military. Oh, well, they really do like militant now, they do militants.

1:08:20 Alerting, the Fire Nation. Water Nation. Here we go again. Yeah, it's Greece. Are you today, right? Yeah, literally I mean if you can't answer that's fine but I was hurting you answer it and it not be a spoiler because we haven't. Okay, it's alright. So we've seen the red, you see, Moraine is Blue Blues are. I think think of the Blues is like CIA? Okay, no, one really knows what they're up to. They just off doing their own thing. Okay?

1:09:03 They can be gone from the tire for years and no one know what they're up to. And the the tower is where the I said I reside. Yes, the White Tower tar valon. Okay, it's interesting. You if you look up a map of tar valon, have you seen what the map looks like? Know. What is it look like? No, just okay. I'll go, we have a chance. Go look. Okay. I haven't seen it but I have a good idea what it might look like. So okay, so blue think of the Blues is like the CIA rids, then your militant group. They don't lose you usually just have one water.

1:09:46 Well, they always have one. Worker res. Don't have Waters. They are your militant me and him channel. Should be stilled gentled or killed Then you have your green sisters. They are the bat Elijah. That's the military. They're the ones that will have three, four, five, Seas Waters. Aries purposes. They will have one sometimes who's usually a badass but they're the ones that that got there may their bones during the battle. During one of the first battles, okay.

1:10:27 Green bin is the brown. We haven't met any brown yet. I think we've seen a yellow I think that. Yeah, I think this in one of the later episode, when we observe the brown there into knowledge, I always think of the Browns is like monks, no case. I'll be really concerned about his knowledge, then you have the green agreeing. Yellow, yellow are the healers, okay, green, yellow white, They are into philosophy. Okay, then the gray Asia are pretty much trying to make sure everyone is.

1:11:14 Okay, they look for consensus. You try to balance everything out there, the okay, okay, I was gonna say are they the people Pleasers? But no. Yes, okay, okay, yeah, okay, now here's another question that I have because, again, we talked about this, this chalak attack on all the villages and everything and ran to his father. They are They are, they live up the mountain. So I don't think they're part of the village, but also not a part of the village. Am I correct in that department? They're probably the village, but he's like a their ship. He's like a Shepherd. Okay. So they live in the mountains. So one of the chalak scums to their cabin and attacks them, is there any significant? So when they start fighting his father, pulls out weapons from like, AB under the bed from hiding, like, almost Like they were never meant to see the light of day again, but he pulls these out.

1:12:13 He knew what the trollops were and he's fighting these try. Looks like he's fought them before. And one of the things that happens is he pulls out a sword and when he pulls the sword out the camera, very specifically focuses on. I think it looks like a heron on the hilt of the sword. Is that something that's going to be important later on because they don't really reference It again, in the first, like I said, for five episodes that are already out, but is that going to be something important later on? Hmm. Okay, that's what I need to know. Okay, okay, the other thing is wild, the tropics are attacking the village and everything. Nine Avis carried off by 19.

1:13:03 He's not Nev 98. She is carried off by one. And you know, egwene Witnesses this. And you know, she's trying to help everyone else. Like I said, they are cutting down people in the village, luckily her parents, both seem to survive, Matt and his folks survive and the sisters. Like we said Perrin, unfortunately, he survives but he accidentally kills his wife in the process and then while rants father is fighting the trial Like he basically tells ran to leave. He's like, go, go, go. You have to leave.

1:13:43 And I felt like, okay. So whatever happens at towards the end when Moran says you, you know, one of you for might be able to channel and just and other. I felt like his dad already knew that because he was so intent on you, go, you go save yourself. Get out of here, and I mean, they were able to kill the child. He, you know, he got his father to the village for assistance to help heal him because he did get injured during this fight. But when Moraine tells them, okay, you guys have to come with me to try Alex were here for you.

1:14:23 It could be one of you for someone of the four of you can Channel mad magic or channel. The one power you have to we have to leave immediately because if not the chocolates are going to follow us and then literally you can see in the distance. All of these little Oil fire lights coming down from the mountain and it supposedly hundreds and hundreds of products. Coming to the Village again. After these, you know, kids, I keep saying kids, but, you know, so at the end of the episode, they get on horses and they have to leave the village and they go with marine and land and it's just one of those things where it's like, I felt like his dad knew that that was going to happen or was anticipating that something like that.

1:15:07 Can happen. And then again like I said, he got into the fight, they showcase the little, you know, the little symbol on the sword. And I was like, okay, there's more to his story, which I hope will find out. But of course, you know, five episodes in, we don't go back to the two rivers. So I don't know what's going on with Dad, or if we'll see dad, again to find out more about this story, but I just thought that was really interesting. Like why are they focusing on this little bird on Hill? Okay. Huh. No comment. Yeah, yeah. He's a part of the House of Hair on. I mean, Anthony did say something about houses in this soul. Anthony.

1:15:54 I'm not saying it but what I'm thinking about certain person's, father, may I be correct in thinking, that that may be something that we might have guessed. Is that big enough that was real. It was really big. Okay, okay. Okay. There's there's there's let's just say that that, that may be someone who has a sword from their father to Father, may have had another life before the village is that is if that's what I'm thinking is Frankie from the way, the way that the kind of shot that whole scene with him fighting it, that's all Most obvious right?

1:16:36 Not knowing not knowing if I'm looking at it and pretending that I don't know, I would like wait a second. He's supposed to be just a sheep herder. He said there, he's if he was younger, he would have cut that trolley down easily. Write almost the same way that land was doing it. Right, right. That's what I was trying. Not to, I think this one seems. Were you see it on screen, right? Okay, okay. I'll just say what? Order to answering that question with, okay. You know what? No he wasn't. Awarded that's not his fault. Okay, moving toward all right. So so he's the other, he's the other but I got my answer.

1:17:20 Your actual podcast you know I'm cutting all the thing is this I read the first book and first of all, then getting from the cottage to the Village took three and a half hours in the audiobook. Seriously it literally took three hours to go from the cabin. And to the Village to deliver the Brandy absent are going is on pages of him talking about. And so that's when I start reading the book. Yes, okay.

1:18:20 Yes. Oh yeah. Oh yeah, but but what was what was I guess? What I'm saying is that, like it? Like we said earlier, you could just tick off a list of things because Well, I'm not going to say there's another part, which is the only one because remember nine Eve is not from the two rivers, right? Right. Y'all her. I kind of got it. Yeah. Cause she's from Essence field, but yes, she's not, she's not from the two rivers. Yes, I got. I got that part which again, but there's something going on with that, too. Which I haven't got to yet, but I have an idea. So my, so my thing is that all right, we get that tan is probably not originally a sheep herd.

1:19:06 Not the most exciting career, but a someone's got this know, this is true because, you know, growing up because he knows how to be a Seaport of. So he came back to be a sea Predator. Yeah, yeah it's obvious that he knows how to do it. I'm just anyway, I'm just there's a reason. And take all my uncle's far because I didn't want to be a farmer. But my thing is, is that I well, I'm gonna have a question. I can ask you can ask a question that doesn't mean no.

1:19:47 Don't let her ask the question because then Mike and I will start our gives our start turning and will be like yeah, no, no. I was just curious about tan because I I think I know where that might go, but that's what my other question about the whole thing is that, that whole discussion that they have at the beginning of the book, which they don't really show in the episode where they're discussing, you know, news of events happening in other Villages. The whole thing with the mayor and all of that. Does any part of these books? Do they ever go back to the two rivers or is it once they're gone? They're gone bad.

1:20:29 To be a spoiler. Okay? Yeah, okay, okay. I'm trying to think there was one other question that I had. And I can't think of it. So I think of it later, I think of it later. But yeah, as far as is it tan or tam-tam? Okay. Tam. Yeah, it's obvious that he Bilbo Baggins somewhere in his life. Like he went on some kind of little adventure and I don't know, I guess I kind of feel like, with the way that he pulled his weapons out, like I said, it almost felt like he was hiding the Weapons. Because when he pulled them out and started fighting ran was looking at him.

1:21:11 Like what the fuck? Where the hell did this come from? So I feel like whatever he was doing in his life where he needed those weapons. Like, he probably came back to his village because he was hiding from something or he was running away from something, or he was, he was putting some part of his life in the rearview mirror, so to speak saying, okay, you know what, that part of my life is gone? I'm not I'm not going to touch that again. But of course, when you have those types of people or those types of stories where they may have gone, they may have, you know, been some kind of warrior or whatever even though they they come back and they put that part of themselves away. It's always there just in case, you know, because like I said, when the trolley showed up in the in his house, I'm not going to say that.

1:22:07 He was surprised, but I'm not going to say, he wasn't surprised either, you know, it's kind of like oh the traffic is here. Oh okay, let me get this. Let me start fighting because it's like he fell into that real quick. He didn't have time to Blink. He didn't have time to think about it. He didn't is like he automatically went into battle mode. Like this is something he's used to, you know, because obviously we've seen this in another character and somebody else we watch. But in the wisdom that he was thinking something was going to happen or respecting, it was eventually it's just he's been trained in such a way that he can turn it on and stuff and it's not this what he was expecting trucks to come.

1:22:54 It's just that oh, there's a trolley, I don't know what to do. Right? Yeah me it was more that muscle memory that that sort of thing where he just pulls it to call mode and and he turns it on, Oh yeah. It's kind of like again, if he is used to fighting or if he has been used to fighting, once that danger comes in or once that, you know, whatever that conflict is, is almost like he was able to spring into action without thinking about it. Whereas somebody else like a parent or a Rand, or Matt or someone like that. When they first started getting attacked like big Wayne was dancing with someone. And what happened was, why We were dancing. He just all of a sudden because he had a spear that was thrown into his chest from behind and she's sitting there looking at this Spear and it's almost like it wasn't comprehend. Like she wasn't comprehending that the person in front of her head literally just been killed by the spear that's poking out of his chest and it took it took a minute for her mind to catch up with what was going on.

1:24:03 Because by this point, Charlie looks are coming from everywhere. People are Screaming before she realized, oh, shit were being attacked and Tam, didn't have any of that, kind of reaction, any of that kind of shock is like chalak. Oh, okay. Let me start with his mask, and that's what he starts doing. So I thought that was interesting as well, because I was like, yeah, there's a story there, there's a story with him, you know. But the other thing that we see in this episode during this trial like battle, and that I will say. Moran, of course, is fighting, you know, and she's fighting. She's using the one power to fight. These trolleys, she's bringing down houses. She's throwing bricks out of the walls and she gets stabbed with one of the Spears and land takes it out and she continues to fight.

1:24:56 But what happens is when Rand brings his father to the Village to be healed. She's able to heal the father But she still hurt and this is something we learned later on. I think a couple of episodes from now. I said I can't heal themselves. They can heal other people but they can't heal themselves. And it was it's weird too because thinking about what we just discussed about town. He was kind of sort of out of it. When ran brought him to the village and as soon as Moraine healed him and he opened his eyes, he looked at her and then the camera pans to ran, like he's making this connection and that's why I felt like, okay, he knows something else about whatever this is because he's just looking at Moraine Almost like, oh, is that time? And I was like, what does he know? And I know you can't say anything if he knows anything, but it was just one of those things. The camera work here really gives you something to think about the way that they kind of pan onto the characters at certain moments.

1:26:08 It's like, if you weren't thinking about it, it could be just random but like specifically, especially with him. The sigil on the hilt, the very pointed way. He's looking at Moran. I was like, and then he looks at his son. I'm like, yeah, he knows something. He knows something, because when she starts talking to them saying that, you know, the dark, the dark one is coming and only one of you will be able to stand against him and she's talking to all of them. And she's telling them, they have to leave. It's almost like you don't, you don't get the reactions of the parents, but it's like the fact that all of, you know, those for they get up and they leave so that they can save this Village again.

1:26:55 I felt I felt like Raz. Father, knew something about what was going on, so, It's going to be interesting though, because you have these four kids, like she says, you've lived in these mountains for too long pretending that the lives. You know, pretending that what happens outside in the world doesn't affect you squeeze mom. His mom says, as much early earlier, she's like, Wars are fought by fools with fools over foolish things, and Wars happening all the time and we don't, we don't worry about that stuff.

1:27:36 Ya know that we can't have this now? Yes. Like, they're very sheltered like this corner of the world is their only Corner because none of them even knew what a try like was, you know, like I said, Tam obviously knew because he knew how to fight them and he, he handled himself very well. I think, if he wasn't worried about ran, he probably could have killed that trollop with no problem, but you've got looks and of Tropics. They've never seen them be there. Their myths. You know, they're these preachers that they use the scared of the kids. It would kind of be like if a dragon showed up all of a sudden for us, we be like, wait, those really exist?

1:28:16 Yeah. So but yeah, I really enjoyed this first episode like really enjoyed it. I wasn't too sure about it because again I didn't know much about I just knew the the book series was popular. I know a lot of people read them. Like I said, one of my old mentors has been trying to get me to read it for years and again, just there, there's so much out there like it's on my tubing to be red, fox file, you know, it's in that stack of books. Let us book hoarders always have and I just hadn't gotten around to it. So then, when I heard that they were doing the show was like, okay, well I probably watched the show first because as book readers, we know whenever they adapt something from a book series is never the way we read it. And I felt like I didn't want to go into the show and be one of those people.

1:29:13 Oh, that's not how it happened in the book, and that's not how it was like in the books. I was like, okay, I'm just I'm going to leave the books alone for now. Let me see how this first season is that, how they do it and then I may go in and read the books. But my question for you, Anthony so far, how does it rate as an adaptation? Like, are they sticking close to the books? With what you, what you know, so far? Like how far I have you have you watched all five episodes so far? Yes, okay. So how does it right to you, without spoiling anything? How does it rank as an adaptation for you? I think they've okay as a person who really really likes books and and those are great deal about it.

1:29:55 I will save it was some things that I kind of questioned like the decisions. Hmm. But if I'm being perfectly honest, if you're watching it and not having ever read the books, I can see how people should actually enjoy it. I mean, I don't really find anything wrong with it as an adaptation, the thing. Is the books. What happens in the books is very hard to adapt and they've tried before and it has never worked out, okay? Because it's really difficult to do parent is the most difficult thing. You have to deal with because he's such a major character but you really can't adapt his storyline to a TV show.

1:30:40 It would it would basically have to be a TV show just about him in order for you to understand. Wow, what happens. Okay. I think it's really good at it as a patient. Okay. I know why the book readers have issues with it and I think a lot of it is veiled racism to be honest with you because all I hear most of the time is 0. They don't look like how I thought they were little girls. I think this person could have played them and they do these lists of, this is how I should have. I would have cast it and it's ya. Bunch of white people. You. Okay? And that's that. Yeah, imagine that.

1:31:22 So, as far as I understand why they make some of the decisions they made parent, having a wife and killing her. That helps explain his character down the line, okay? It's going to be very important for him. Okay. Aging them up and having a sexual relationship between ran in. The gwaine is going to be important that a lot. Okay. Okay, because there's some things that that have to happen for the, two of them to get where they need to be okay and it would make it so much easier to understand the relationship. And how other people are not going to understand their relationship, but we will understand their relationship. Okay?

1:32:10 Okay. Okay. The other thing that I want to talk about, and this doesn't have to do with the actual show. Per se, is that intro Intro with the weaving of the threads and the drawing of the isid. I've the, what do you calling the IG has thousands. Oh my God. That is it. It's very Captivate. It's kind of like I think I felt watching this intro, the same way I did watching the west-world intro for the first time. It was just so beautiful and I just sat there.

1:32:52 Like it took me a minute to realize that they were actually weaving. It was just the way the colors and the way that they drew the women and how it, the tapestry it was just really beautiful. And I was just like sitting there watching this like mouth open like, oh my God, this is one of the prettiest things I've ever seen in the intro. It was gorgeous. But, yeah, that's all I want to say about it was. It's a, it's a very, it's a, very beautifully, created intro. And not only that. I like the look of the show, you know, for it being for it being fantasy, it's a little bit, it's a little bit darker.

1:33:35 Towards the beginning than I expected. Now, it is darker than than the books. The books are. Okay, not just start. Okay, there's a lot. There's a lot of lightheartedness in the books. Okay, isn't it right? Glory. The books. Okay, when I first started listening to the audiobook, I immediately stopped it looked at it. I was like, oh my God, who made Dungeons and Dragons and put it into a book form. I mean, you know, from the old cartoon series, that's how it sounds on audio. It's like hello, villager, how are you today? Oh, we must not upset Farmers so-and-so because we're going to the festival today. I mean that's literally the kind of out. Yeah, it's very light-hearted.

1:34:20 Okay. Well, that veerle heart. It has a lot of lightheartedness in it and You don't really get that if this show right, right, it's very dark and I see that they've gone to Game of Thrones dark with this like may be gone more mature, you know, more graphic, right? This darker and we'll see if this pays off. I think, I think is going to help get that audience. The the people who still want more Game of Thrones, okay? It's going to get the audience and they're just going to say to hell with the book readers. We don't really just forget you guys y'all go, right? I mean, the showrunner claims to be a big fan of the books and a lot of this he's trying to do some justice to we and to try to keep the spirit.

1:35:12 Irit. Okay, but novels, and and try to help explain a lot of things. We'll talk later about this last episode because there is a scene at the end where people like that character would never do that. Well, I can make argument that, he would. Okay, know what I know about him in the books. Yeah, we had talked about. Yeah, we're going to have to hurry up and catch up. Okay. Yeah, let's not go. There we have any final thoughts on this first episode in the my kids they have, I will hear Mike ever say he didn't say the whole lot. I'm I look this is this this is basically how I was in discovery of witches. It's like, I'm basically listening to you guys and catching up on my own.

1:35:58 So this is like I really like this. Shout out to to egg wins. Mom, like roughly shoving her off the cliff, instead of like Wayne. You know, just like it. Going big waves, mom. Just going like, yeah. And like eating her off the cliff. I was like yo, damn, like it was really a But I knew I was like well there's really no other way. She could do it. Like she kind of has to get in the water so it's like, but I mean, she'd learn deleted that you did life and limb out of her. Also shout-out to all the insurance adjusters who are going to have going to be like, what the hell happened to this building after after what's her name through every brick at all? Those trollops.

1:36:40 I was like, I could, if I was what's-their-names, if I was, if I was her mom, I would have been like, that's my Pub. Like that's totally goes, don't do something from the blacksmith shop, like those something from there. I was just wondering how it was like is everyone out of there while she's throwing bricks from the buildings. Like is everyone out because you know, some people ran into some of the buildings for Shelter From The Trolley so I was like okay I hope she's not accidentally killing people while she's trying to save people. Right. It's just yeah it's the which makes it shows that she's a typical superhero because she saves the day and but she creates all kinds of damage around her so she's just like Superman so good job.

1:37:23 They don't have a slush fund cover all of that, right? There's no Bruce Wayne to help cover all that, maybe there's, yeah, I really like this. I meant to it. I'm, I'm waiting, I can't wait to see what comes up next because I'm a little behind you guys. Once I But I'm really anxious to kind of get caught up and see what see what's going on with get caught up because I'm going to tell you episodes, 4 5, whoa, whoa okay yeah, yeah, haven't seen five yet, I've seen for but I'm excited to see it. He's good. And how many episodes is this show? Is this a 10 episode Arc? Um, that's a good question. I think is hate, okay?

1:38:07 It's going to be 8. Okay, because this is a an Amazon Serious. Either your tan. Okay. Okay, I'm not sure. The only thing I will say I'm going to be fair because I did this with Shadow and Bone. Sometimes vocabulary languages words can be a little off-putting and I know what the words mean and I know what their significance is. For example, to viren. She says oh we're going to go to the two rivers. Because there are 42 viren there ain't one of them might be the dragon reborn so we never hear about to veering again. We never hear that term again.

1:38:51 So they're five, right? Because nine Eve would be but she's not to viren. The then she goes, you copy. We can't talk about that yet because they don't talk, we don't find that out until we know, well, that wasn't this episode. When Marine went to talk to her when she was watching, the stones tiny was watching the thing. And she was trying to figure out how old she was. Hmm. Because right now the mat parent ran and he going all 29, Eve is 25. 20 decide the guy in the beginning that there is sister's car. Okay, he was too old so they know it's not her. That's why she was focusing on the 42 viren but they don't explain where to Varanasi, okay?

1:39:42 And five episodes in may still having. So, why even use the term in the beginning? Anyway, To appease your book fans. And I know the whole purpose of the nine Eve. The Nanny scene is because Moraine didn't have any information on her. So when she got there and she saw, oh, this young lady's of wisdom. I wonder how old she is, that's why she was poking her. That's what blew sisters do. She started poking her for information so you got your breeches. I gamma ray five years. Oh so you're 25. So Yeah, so I know she knew how she was. Okay, now I'm looking online in the background so apparently they have already been renewed for season 2.

1:40:31 Yes. Okay, they're Nine episodes in this series in this room is mine. Okay, okay. Okay, my thing is as far as reading the book series as compared to the book TV series, I actually went to buy the first book a few weeks ago and I found out that they're my audible in my obsessive book line that I actually had the first four books of the series. I don't remember my no, but I got it. My thing is, that's, that's how I am. I'll find whole series going on. Why did I had that? But the thing is that, in my defense, in the early, Early 90s. I was one of those rabid feminists. Science fiction fantasy writers, where I refuse to read anything written by men.

1:41:15 It was all Mercedes lack LeAndre, Norton, you know, all of that. Right? So I wouldn't read any male writers for a good 15 years, so I didn't read not read on purpose. I just didn't read it because it wasn't what I was wanting to read at the time, but I am kicking myself because just like Game of Thrones, I wish I would have Read these when they came out because I think it will that be a little bit more obsessive than I that I have. No, I mean, I'm getting into it and everyone knows. We're not kidding ourselves. You guys both know that, by the end of Say J, where I've read, I'll read all the books. So, you know, but my thing is, is that I did myself a discern, but I really like the series is just, my only nitpick is that, like, most great series.

1:42:03 You gotta, like, Mazatl��n and all that this for you. Got to really go through the really slow B to get to the good part. So that's what I'm hating right now. Okay, I do want to make this note before we close out. So I'm looking at some of the cast that they have added for season 2. You know, exactly what I'm about to say, don't you answer me. So, our boy Dominico from a discovery which is going to be in season 2 of this show. Whoo, I saw that I was like I just got here in like that, love, like, because the photo that they have on this article that I'm looking at in background, looking at the deadline article, he doesn't look as tan as he does, in the discovery of witches, cousin, discovery of witches. He's a little bit.

1:42:51 His skin tone is a little bit darker like he's been sitting in the sun forever in this picture. He's a little bit more pale. So I was looking at him. I like I was like Domenico so I look them up and I'm like, yep. Because I never knew the actors. Name. And I'm not even going to try to butcher his his last name because it's, it's quite long. But yeah. So he's going to be in the show. So I'm like, yay. I get to look at his face for at least another year. So that's awesome. But any final thoughts on episode 1 of will of time. Shout out to the women Circle who slaughtered at rollick with pitchforks then the battle I thought It was awesome.

1:43:38 So on you but the strength and resolve of the three, women really do get this done. Yes, they really do. And on that note, that's it for our show. You can find us online at www.haddadhyundai.com, we are on social media on Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter at Phantom hybrid, you can listen to the Phantom hybrid podcast, on all major podcast streaming platforms. Thanks for listening, we hope you join the conversation next time.