The Last of Us S1E5 - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #214

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Was the Pirates, welcome back to
another episode of The Phantom

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hybrid podcast.
This is hanako and I am here

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with Anthony, Michelle and Mike
and we are discussing episode 5

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of The Last of Us.
Um I'm just going to start this

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episode off by saying Mike, get
it.

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You said it last week you would
like yeah this show is teaching

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us.
Don't get caught up, don't get

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attached to nobody passes.
Hmm like Kathleen.

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Yes, you were right.
She was a two-episode character.

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I got it, it may sit, but boy,
when I tell you this episode

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between, between me, realizing
something was not going to go,

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right?
And having to deal with that and

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seeing what came out of the
tunnel.

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I was like, when I tell you, I
was doing all kinds of this and

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standing up on my couch, or, you
know, putting my feet up on the

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couch, trying to get away from
the teeth y'all.

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This show is going to stress me
the fuck out, man?

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I tell you what fucking and they
don't they don't have to stop

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with these friggin emotional.
Emotional like Trainwreck hit

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shit like I'm on the I was out
to take.

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I got I'll be I'll admit I was
kind of someone who watched who

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played the game kind of spoiled
me about what was going to

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happen the same, but I do you
still wasn't ready?

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Are you serious?
But it was too late already

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happened.
I was like well I kind of

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figured it was.
Okay, fine.

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But the way it happened and what
happened afterwards was just

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fucking heartbreaking.
I'm like y'all got quit playing

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with my emotions.
Like this is like I I'm like um

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like I can't deal with this.
I mean up like scare me like

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show me big-ass Mushroomhead,
headed fucking monsters.

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That moves like Nemesis and
fucking fuck.

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Fucking Nemesis.
Like, show me those

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motherfuckers.
Like don't just pull my heart.

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Things with like this shit.
Like Henry's face was

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heartbreaking.
After he shot Sam.

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I was like yeah, he was like I
can't I can't do it yet.

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I can't do it.
That shit hurt.

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I was like today we would all
y'all trippin.

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Y'all trippin a good episode.
It's like Kathleen got exactly

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what the fuck she deserve.
Fuck that.

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I mean I understood but no.
Okay, I get it because I have to

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go.
I have thoughts, I have

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thoughts.
So anyway, let's start from the

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top of the episode.
So we were introduced to

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Kathleen's character in the last
episode.

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And this episode starts out with
the falling of the Kansas City

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Federer.
And let me say this too.

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So when we were talking about
the introduction of Kathleen's

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character, I kept saying that,
you know, I knew Melanie lynskey

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from from stuff, but I never
knew her name.

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There was one particular role
that kept sticking in my head

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and I was like, I know I like
there's a particular thing that

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I remember her from and I
couldn't think of it.

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I was re watching the episode
today and for some reason, these

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scene in the bedroom, brought it
back for me.

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She's the lady who had the baby
in the bar and Sweet Home

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Alabama and that's what was
thinking in my head.

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And not only that, she was the
nice step sister in Ever After,

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you know, ever after is one of
my absolute favorite movies, but

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she was Jacqueline and she was
the one, you know, who's like,

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I'm just here for the food.
I was like, yes, that's her.

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So I don't know if that kind of
informed.

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The way I looked at Kathleen
after that because I was like,

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Not that I agreed with what
Kathleen did.

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But it's like one thing about
this episode, there were so many

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Shades of Gray with the
characters and his life, you

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could front from our standpoint,
you can see the bad and what

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they did but then when you get a
little more information that's

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kind of like okay but was it
really bad like like with the

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fall of the Kansas City fed, ra
The episode literally starts

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out.
I believe this is the actual

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night that fed Rafael and this
takes place about 10 days before

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Ellie and Joel actually arrived
in Kansas City.

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So you see, like all the images
of Revolution, you see the

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flares going off.
You see like chaos in the

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streets.
You hear people, chanting

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freedom freedom, freedom, fuck
bedro, fuck fedra.

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You see soldiers Federal
soldiers being attacked.

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See them being beaten being
tortured.

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Being shot being hung.
You see 11 Soldier being drug

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down the street and he's got
knives all in his body.

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I was like okay when you look at
it from that first standpoint

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they're either two things that's
going in your mind.

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One is the revolutionaries are
crazy as fuck or that military

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deserved what they got.
You know what I'm saying?

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It's a little bit of both.
It's like a little bit of both.

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I think it's like yeah I mean
they've been rages.

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Probably got exactly what they
deserved.

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I'm sure I'm sure I'm sure a lot
of them were douchebags.

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They got what they deserve fine.
But it's like they think they

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basically turn Henry said.
Yeah, that's true.

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But it's like day.
And I mean, but then it's like

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they basically.
I mean, it was like, Lord of the

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fucking flies.
It's like the soon as they as

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soon as they killed all the
fairford, the federal agents,

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just like they basically just
everybody associated with him.

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They killed him.
Is like, there's no even with

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it.
When they were talking to the

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group, of group of snitches in
the cell, this like they were

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like, okay, you're Fair trial.
Yeah, sure.

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Just tell us where Henry is that
Allah and it's like, He's like,

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you're getting rich off sex not
kill all them.

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Bitches is like she did.
She had no intention of letting

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any of them survive and it's
like she basically just let him

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on.
It's like, I mean, I get it, but

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it does.
That doesn't make it any less

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douchey that she did it like
that.

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I mean, she muscle just, I
wouldn't, I don't know if I

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would call it douchey though.
Because if you, if you listen to

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her and you look at you, look at
all of the people that are in

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there, and when she comes in and
she gives the speech, it was

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like Like, you know, she told
Paris, she was like, you know, I

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used to be so scared of these
people in here and look at them.

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Now every single person that was
in there was a snitch and not

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just oh, you know, I'm going to
tell you know that you did such

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and such like to the point where
Federer, Took the people that

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they snitched on and kill them,
jailed them, torture them.

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Like, put them in situations,
where it's like, that's not

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something that you can just take
back with a simple apology.

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Oh I'm sorry I told on you those
were yeah but but but they gave

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you the other perspective from
the snitches perspective of

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human too but there was reasons.
Why like if someone if your

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family members Literally die and
you need the medication and

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Phaedra has the medication and
they said, well, we'll give it

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to you.
If you tell us something like

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this, you talking about the gray
areas.

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I think that's one of the things
that this show does is basically

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showing you that there is no
black and white.

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Everything is great.
Yeah.

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Any point in time, you can be on
one side or the other and

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everyone has valid reasons like
who wouldn't save a family

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member by giving Yup, someone
that you don't know or someone

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that, you know, have an
attachment to, you know, in

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looking at those people and
looking at those people in

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there, it's like I see people
who look like they probably

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snitched for really good reasons
like they didn't look like they

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were mean or vindictive people.
They look just like everyone

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else, right?
But he's trying to survive so I

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feel like if it wasn't so
personal for her she probably

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could even be like okay yeah I
Stand.

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But what we found out through
the course of the episode is

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that her brother was the
original leader of the

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resistance and from what Henry
says when he's talking about him

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to Joel, this was a good man.
This was a man who was fair.

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This was a man who was a great
leader, who was forgiving?

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And in order to save his brother
Henry, gave him up and of

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course, he ended up being
executed.

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So, I mean, I understand their
viewpoint, but at this point to

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I kind of sort of is again, is
that great?

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I understand per Viewpoint?
She's like, okay, look, um I

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just want Henry and you guys can
go which of course I knew I was

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like she's not going to let them
go but up until that point, I

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was just kind of like, okay,
she's she's like hyper focused

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on him and we talked about this
in last episode, like you have

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other bigger concerns that like
we said, turn around.

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And to bite her in the ass but
she was so hyper focused on this

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person.
I was like, okay, maybe it is

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all about, you know, just about
him but then as we talked as you

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as she talks, and she talks to
Perry and then you see her later

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on in the episode, just the
things that she says I was

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looking at her like At first, I
kind of sort of understood where

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you were coming from.
But then you realize she is

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almost like she has no humanity
and is even the way she talks

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about herself.
She's been like this, you know

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she talks about her brother.
She was like my brother was a

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beautiful person.
I'm not.

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I've never been and love that.
It was so weird.

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Well I won't even say weird.
It was very eerie.

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How calculating she was with
everything?

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Like at the beginning, she was a
little sarcastic and she was a

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little upset given what she's
been through.

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I can understand that.
But then when you see the way

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that she interacts with everyone
else and you know, the way that

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she talks to Henry, when she
does finally find him I was like

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she's a cold calculating bitch.
Like she has no remorse.

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She has no like there's no.
A second thought and her light

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omec as the episode went on I
was like wow I feel like she's

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scary it in the clickers and
that is what they actually

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needed to overrun Federal to get
free.

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You're right I can tell you that
her brother, they wouldn't be at

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this point right here, what was
it still be involved?

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He was like your brother was a
great leader.

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We loved him, but he didn't
change things.

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You did, you did.
And you know, it is just one of

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those things where it's kind of
like, yeah, I think you have to

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be that kind of cold in order to
make some things happen again.

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We're going to go back to The
Walking Dead comparisons.

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As much as people don't like
him.

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Negan was one of those people,
he shut off his emotions and he

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was like, okay we're going to do
what we need to do so that I can

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keep everyone safe.
Now, he took it a bit to the

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extreme Stream because he got a
God complex but at the beginning

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him the governor even Alpha to
an extent, they had to become

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cold calculating people in order
to do the things that needed to

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be done because if you have a
conscience and you're trying to

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do this, it doesn't work, you
know.

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Right.
But what she's what, she's

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lacking her her cons is that she
still stuck on her brother

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issues if Didn't have that we
can continue on.

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We wouldn't have the mess that
we had at the end of the episode

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girl, because her, she's just
tunnel vision, tunnel vision and

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her television.
They were able to get free and

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they could have done that
without her television, but she

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could have become a great leader
and spread to other communities

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if she just left it alone, but
she can leave it alone.

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I don't know where she is, if it
wasn't for it.

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No, no, she already told you.
That's the type of person she

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was her brother was holding her
dad.

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Down.
He had the cap on that bottom

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and when he was gone, that cap
came on because she told you I

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wanted a nice person.
Mmm, I've never been there.

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Yeah, also also, if she, if she
wouldn't had tunnel vision she

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probably would have solved that
little little cave in problem

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and the and the in probably
wouldn't have been as bad as it

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was to hear him because her her
left her Lieutenant was like, do

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you want to take care of this?
Should we take care of the

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issues like?
Nah, I'll find Henry find Henry,

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fuck.
Oh, fuck.

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That will do it later just
before the war.

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But here is just beginning of
this episode, when she was still

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like, okay, he's still in the
city, everybody needs to spread

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out, find him, kill him,
whatever a was like, you really

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want to do this now?
She was, like, why is he your

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seven?
Is he a set with Russia?

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Says, seventh priority for you.
He's not for me, like, is he for

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you?
And I think parent was trying to

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look at her like bitch.
We got bigger fish to fry, but

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even if you even if out her in
front of everybody, A else as

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far as like, yo, we got other
things to worry about, but even

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if in even if the end when she
was hitting the fan, she still

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trying to have him down.
Like, that's what I just let it

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go and their point, just let it
go.

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Like could have saved save
yourself, but you just couldn't

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let It Go.
Let It Go.

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Like, literally, you have dozens
of people over here dying for

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you.
Well, not dying for you, but

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they're dying and you haven't
Out like Perry made it so that

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you can get away safe.
And you still got to come back

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and be like, I was like, you
know what you at this point?

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Yeah, you really deserve to die
because you that's all she had.

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I'll see how it will stay.
All she had was Revenge.

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She had nothing else like that
that was her motivating factor.

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That was her driving force.
I hear.

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I hear Edmond Dantes in my head.
Yes, you did.

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That's exactly who I was
thinking of.

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That's all I got.
This is exactly what I was

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thinking and that's all she had
to do the quote but you beat me

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to it.
Okay.

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But then but then ended up being
kind of in the same situation

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where her brother, her brother
was her only by her last

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Connection to the Past and her
family and like the last thing

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she had to cling to really know
No she didn't well then her

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mother of their mothers still
alive.

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No.
Okay she had, she had her mother

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but but her brother was
obviously really.

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I mean, it's a sibling thing.
It's like siblings and parents

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are different like you kill on
better with your siblings

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because you grew up together and
it's like when you lose a

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sibling that that's a different
kind of hurt.

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And it's like, I don't think her
mom was really involved in all

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this either.
Anyway, so it's like when they

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both lose their siblings, just
like they have a, they both have

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kind of a Their mindset is like
fuck.

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What am I gonna do now?
It's like you they have to clean

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the something but it's like any
and Henry had nothing to cling

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to.
So I think Henry's was a little

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bit different and we'll get to
his because that's something

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that like we got to go in depth
with all of that stuff.

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But but I mean, I see what
you're saying but it's I guess

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it's just one of those things
like you, you have people around

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you.
Who you trust, obviously Perry.

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It was one of those people.
She should have won one, good

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quality or one quality about a
good leader.

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And this is why.
When you said she could have

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been a great leader now.
Michelle, she wouldn't have been

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a great leader.
She would have been a leader,

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she wouldn't have been a great
leader because in order to be

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great, you have to be willing to
listen to the people around you.

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Wait wait, wait, wait, and I
make great for this time?

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I mean, great overall, like no,
she grateful what they Were

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doing.
You understand on the scene?

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When you got to take over?
Yeah.

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And kill some people on the
street.

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She great for that.
Yeah.

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Okay.
No, you can't.

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No.
Hesitation because I'm going to

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tell you this happened to me.
I do the same thing.

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Now probably at the end.
Oh, I'll go hide.

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And then hunt them down later.
I'm not feeling like, oh, I've

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been trying to kill you right
now.

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And there's a quicker or I
wouldn't I wouldn't stand there.

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Holding a gun on me like stop
shoot him.

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This I mean shoot it's like it's
this is thinning your stop.

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One, we're going to talk, we're
going to talk about people and

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these these guns situations,
imma get to that because I got

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a, I got an issue with the
person who was in the house too.

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But anyway, so let's go back to
the beginning.

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So at the beginning, we kind of
see the we're introduced to Sam

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Henry and Edelman the the doctor
that Kathleen killed in the

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previous episode.
So, apparently he was the one

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who helped Henry and Sam get
away, which is what we figured

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when she realized that, you
know, he knew where they were

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now.
It was interesting to see them.

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First of all, I love the fact
that they changed the characters

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enough that Sam is deaf because
I don't think that was the case

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in in the video game.
So was it?

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Yeah.
So I love the fact that they

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that they had that inclusion
because again I'm always

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fascinated when you have people
like that who are Vibing in a

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situation like this like a
zombie apocalypse or, you know,

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just any kind of situation where
dangerous always on the

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Forefront, you know, we get that
within the Walking Dead with

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Connie and Kelly Connie was the
first, you know, completely deaf

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person that I've ever seen in a
show or in a setting like this

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who has survived, you know, I
think at in The Walking Dead

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timeline there now like, roughly
14 15, 16 years into this.

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thing, and you have to think for
A world where so much of your

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survival depends on noise or the
lack of it is always very

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interesting to to sit here and
try to figure out how a deaf

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person would maneuver in this
kind of world.

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And so we always get it.
What we got it in Walking Dead

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from a grown-up's point of view
to see it from a child's point

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of view.
That was so interesting because

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I feel like even though, yes, he
is a child and he can't hear the

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noise, he's making like when
they're in the building walking,

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and his brother kind of says
something he knows he's like, am

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I being noisy?
And when his brother says yeah,

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noisy, he takes a lot of care
trying to maneuver around the

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Ask to make sure that he doesn't
hear even though he can't hear

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what's going on.
He still takes that that care.

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On the other hand, his brother
in a lie, making all the fucking

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noise in the world Mike and they
were when they got into the

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neighborhood.
Like my Joe said so much goddamn

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talking.
Can y'all shut the fuck up until

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you are free and clear from
this?

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I mean, what here we here we did
have to keep saying, see just

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like I told you, I was right.
See I'm right.

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Just like my do there is nothing
around your sound is going to

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carry all these empty buildings.
These I was sitting here, I was

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like simultaneously scared and
frustrated.

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I was like of y'all shut the
fuck up when y'all are making

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noise in the In the tunnels.
He comes out.

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Yeah, the plan is good.
Do you not know play?

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It is good.
Good good.

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Good.
We didn't help me was Michelle

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had just watched a quiet place
in the quiet place to again and

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I'm sitting there thinking and
you know my head, I have because

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know the girl is deaf.
So I'm thinking, man I'm making

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a lot of noise because in a
movie UK make no noise right now

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and sees death to.
So I started drawing those Hmm.

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I haven't found the second one.
I've seen the first one.

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And again it's like one of those
things where when you grow up

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and you know, that this is
there's this danger.

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It's kind of like okay shut up
like I realize y'all have been

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in y'all have been in the
quarantine zone so I don't know

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maybe it's kind of like you know
we talked Walking Dead Again

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Alec the alexandrians like they
go out on Scouts and everything

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before Rick's group comes.
But I don't think they really

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know the True danger of what's
outside the walls and I kind of

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sort of feel like Henry is the
same way.

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Like you really don't understand
like you've seen them and you

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maybe have heard of them but
just like he tells Joel like

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they drew most of the infected
and clickers out of the city

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that they drove him underground.
He said 15 years ago and then

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that particular tunnel they
cleared out three years ago.

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And would have never seen these
things because he's probably

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lived in the quarantine Zone his
entire life and will.

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So a most severe he's life, they
weren't they really want around,

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right?
Yeah here we is old enough if he

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hasn't seen them, he's old
enough to know how serious the

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situation is.
And I'm sure somebody in the

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quarantine Zone.
Told him, hey, these things are

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attracted to noise.
I'm sure they told everybody did

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so like, hey, we need y'all to
keep your voices down.

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We need y'all to do this.
We need y'all to do that.

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I know it's not just the Boston
quarantine Zone that knew this

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information, but whateley is
possible there.

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There, the way they're fissure
was running.

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They have other things to be
concerned about what they were

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and with Henry, that's pretty
much.

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He was more scared of Kathleen,
then the clickers anyway.

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So So he just knew he couldn't
defeat them and that's why he

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needed Joel.
But other than that, they have

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no experience.
They just heard stories.

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The danger is her not them.
And before that it was Federer.

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So for him growing up federal
was the danger and not the

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clickers and the wisdom of
college.

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The other effect.
It was however, however however

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they still could have been
Kathleen's people down there.

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So you still could be quiet like
Okay, we're down here now.

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Let's see what happens.
Not, okay, we're good to go.

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I like Jo like these.
Wait, until he's, like, damn, we

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only been down here for two
seconds, right?

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Right now, I would say once they
got into the little, The Little

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Schoolhouse room, they could
have closed the doors.

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Okay.
I didn't mind so much that

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little scene because yes even
though I felt like the kids were

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still being too loud, it was
still nice to see them being

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able to be kids because I'm
pretty sure they haven't had the

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opportunity to do that very
often.

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I mean think about it Ellie grew
up in Federer going to Federer

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schools and the federal or
orphanage they teach those kids

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military tactics.
So she probably has not had a

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chance to like really be a
child.

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Sam may be the same.
Same, and then he's been on the

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Run for the last 11 days, so he
probably needed something to get

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loose, but even with that, I was
just kind of like y'all.

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Y'all still making too much
noise, like it could be a

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straggler down there.
I mean, we kick him kicking

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soccer balls Against the Wall
go.

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Can we stop please right.
Well side the people who were in

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there they're not in there
anymore.

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Why?
Right and side on this side?

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No I was just talking to a game
player and they would have liked

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an extended like story or
flashback of Happened in that

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day, care area.
I'm gonna call it a day carrier

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because it was a lot of things
that happened with that

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situation.
Hmm, this is like a group of

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people took kids down there and
they survive for a long time and

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then, you know, clickers came,
infected cane and then they did

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some things too.
Make sure that you know, kids

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don't become infected, I'm just
saying.

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Yeah, and it looks like your
mind wander with that, you know?

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Yeah, I mean, but it looks like
that didn't work too well,

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because we saw one of the
deadliest clickers at the end of

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the night.
So they got to change that story

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up a little bit so we can get a
kid clicker.

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But yeah, kids die all the time.
Yeah.

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So it was a, it was a major
story line with that Dake, not

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daycare.
But that just that area about

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the people who went underground.
But I mean, are those, I'm

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scared.
The kid.

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Clickers is that they?
They move different.

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Let me tell you.
It was so interesting because,

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you know, Joel is picking off
the clickers, trying to protect

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Ellie and Hesitates, I think,
when he first sees this clicker,

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trying to get into the truck
where she is because he realizes

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it's a kid and that he's going
to have to shoot this thing.

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But when he starts, and she gets
in the thing, and she starts

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twisting and turning.
I said, they got a fucking

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contortionist to him out.
I'm done.

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No.
Absolutely not.

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And, and that was, and I think
they said that little girls that

445
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:36,000
eight-year-old or nine-year-old
gymnast and contortionist that

446
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,800
they got to play the role I was
like, mmm, I've already spent

447
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,600
This one I said it was World War
Z.

448
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,800
When when when zombies are
moving a certain way, I'm not

449
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:49,200
trying know.
If I would have saw her coming.

450
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,700
After me I would have been like,
you know, I'm just I'm done.

451
00:27:51,900 --> 00:27:57,300
I'm just, I'm done.
Yeah, I'm done, huh?

452
00:27:58,700 --> 00:28:05,600
I can't do.
But um, Okay, we're going to go

453
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:09,200
ahead and go to that part
because it's like I know there's

454
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,800
some other stuff that happened
in, you know, throughout the

455
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,100
episode, we know.
Okay.

456
00:28:14,100 --> 00:28:16,200
So let's start, let's start with
this.

457
00:28:16,500 --> 00:28:20,100
What, what cheat code did Joe
put in to get infinite infinite

458
00:28:20,500 --> 00:28:35,200
ammo?
I talked about yesterday, okay.

459
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,900
So when Joel and Henry and the
kids they come up from the

460
00:28:38,900 --> 00:28:43,900
tunnels and they're walking in
the neighborhood and, you know,

461
00:28:43,900 --> 00:28:45,800
of course somebody starts
shooting at them.

462
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:50,300
Now this do it obviously sees
them because he's shooting right

463
00:28:50,300 --> 00:28:52,300
at them.
Every time they stick their head

464
00:28:52,300 --> 00:28:54,400
up from a car, he's shooting at
them.

465
00:28:54,700 --> 00:28:56,200
Joel gets the idea.
Okay.

466
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,700
You know what?
It seems like it's just one

467
00:28:58,700 --> 00:29:00,100
person.
I'm going to go around to the

468
00:29:00,100 --> 00:29:03,300
back of house and I'm gonna try
to take him from behind, This

469
00:29:03,300 --> 00:29:06,900
dude is shooting at Joe as he's
running around his house.

470
00:29:07,300 --> 00:29:11,600
So my question is, you know,
somebody is coming around the

471
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,900
back side of your house, I'll
fucking you still shoot in the

472
00:29:14,900 --> 00:29:18,500
head at the kids or somebody
coming after you.

473
00:29:18,500 --> 00:29:22,200
And you know this because every
time he goes, you're shooting in

474
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,900
his area.
You know, this man is moving

475
00:29:24,900 --> 00:29:28,200
towards the side of your house.
Why are you still taken by

476
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,900
surprise when he finally shows
up in the room and you're not

477
00:29:31,900 --> 00:29:34,900
getting shot?
Two things.

478
00:29:35,300 --> 00:29:39,400
I'm going to say as a gamer.
This is game accurate because

479
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,800
NPCs are shipped.
That's number one.

480
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:45,000
Yeah.
Okay.

481
00:29:45,700 --> 00:29:51,900
Number two, number two, he also
was his objective was to pin him

482
00:29:51,900 --> 00:29:55,000
down long enough.
Like he didn't know how long it

483
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:59,600
would take for Kathleen to come.
So he, he knew he had to buy

484
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,300
some time, so he keep the kids
pinned down.

485
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:06,200
New Joel was coming so there
wasn't anything you could do

486
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,600
about that but he could keep the
kids from moving, which was the

487
00:30:09,608 --> 00:30:12,600
point.
Hey, maybe maybe, but maybe

488
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:17,300
three, abandoning number three,
the NPCs are shit.

489
00:30:17,700 --> 00:30:26,400
Something that's awesome baby, I
do and then he comes in the

490
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:32,200
room, he has the gun on you.
Like, you really think that

491
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,200
you're going to move quick
enough to turn around with the

492
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:38,300
whole fucking rifle before he
gets a shot off?

493
00:30:38,300 --> 00:30:43,100
Like really, really thing.
You do even Jones like, oh, he's

494
00:30:43,100 --> 00:30:46,900
a crap-shooter.
Like he's a shit snot, he sucks.

495
00:30:47,300 --> 00:30:48,900
So Joan is like yeah, I'm gonna
go.

496
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,900
So first of all I can't believe
you seen this guy who really is

497
00:30:51,900 --> 00:30:54,700
not a good sniper.
He's up there with a rifle

498
00:30:54,700 --> 00:30:55,700
shooting.
Yeah.

499
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:57,700
He wasn't supposed to hit
anybody.

500
00:30:57,700 --> 00:31:01,300
Yeah, that was her point.
Maybe she didn't think that

501
00:31:01,300 --> 00:31:02,900
Henry would be able to get that
far.

502
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:11,500
Well she thought she was going
to put her best sniper up there

503
00:31:11,500 --> 00:31:15,400
because she wants them alive.
She would kill that old man.

504
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:19,300
If that old man killed Henry and
Sam, she wanted that pleasure.

505
00:31:20,100 --> 00:31:22,600
She just needed.
He just needed the pin him down.

506
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,200
Yes, you see if you're worried
about Joker's, right?

507
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,600
He knew he was going to be a
dead man, with who we or

508
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:29,700
another.
Yes.

509
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,000
But my I have a favorite line
NPC's of shit.

510
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,100
Right.
And do you trust me?

511
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,400
Yes, I just stopped.
Alright.

512
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:43,600
Alright Aladdin, this is not old
world look the and he did the

513
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,200
damn.
He did a damn if it is the look.

514
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,900
In games, you don't have
infinite fucking ammo, he shot

515
00:31:50,900 --> 00:31:52,500
at like you saw at least 20
times.

516
00:31:52,700 --> 00:31:55,300
I did not see a bucket of bullet
sitting next to him.

517
00:31:55,500 --> 00:31:58,200
I did not see a stack of clip
sitting next to him.

518
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:03,000
All I saw was him with a
bolt-action rifle shooting and

519
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,600
reload now but then there was
one moment where he tried to

520
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:10,600
shoot and and I think either the
gungeon ran out of the ran out

521
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:14,000
of ammo.
So you know, they started,

522
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,300
showing us the action.
What was going on down on the

523
00:32:16,300 --> 00:32:19,400
ground with all the info Fected,
and I think Ellie was trying to

524
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,700
save Sam and Henry at this
point.

525
00:32:21,700 --> 00:32:24,900
So I think at that point he
probably did reload.

526
00:32:24,900 --> 00:32:26,400
I mean, it kind of would have
been.

527
00:32:26,900 --> 00:32:29,700
I feel like it would have been
redundant for them to show us

528
00:32:30,100 --> 00:32:33,900
him reloading when there was so
much other shit going on that.

529
00:32:33,900 --> 00:32:36,100
We really needed to be paying
attention to.

530
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:43,700
No, he was consistently like, 20
shots.

531
00:32:43,700 --> 00:32:44,600
Sure.
Okay.

532
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:48,000
But Mike, he was pressing X.
Exactly.

533
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,200
Is pressing down and up down
left, right?

534
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,900
And it's select infinite ammo.
Thank you.

535
00:32:58,900 --> 00:33:02,500
But my thing is like he told the
guy he's like don't make me do

536
00:33:02,500 --> 00:33:04,300
it like don't make me do with
the guy.

537
00:33:04,300 --> 00:33:08,400
I'm telling you it his mind,
he's like Kathleen so he knows

538
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,000
Kathleen.
She's gonna kill you told me the

539
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:15,700
whitening you know even you wake
me a Kathleen of the queue but

540
00:33:15,700 --> 00:33:18,700
I'm a dead man.
Either way if he if he shoots

541
00:33:18,700 --> 00:33:21,200
the kid's gonna die, if he lets
them get past that, he's gonna

542
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,800
die.
If he lets you take his weapon,

543
00:33:23,900 --> 00:33:26,100
he's gonna die one way or
another.

544
00:33:26,100 --> 00:33:41,800
He's like, fuck it.
I'm old but I'm just right.

545
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:47,800
But then also like seriously
Henry and Sam Henry and Sam.

546
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,200
How many people do you need to
bring with you?

547
00:33:52,300 --> 00:33:56,400
It seemed right everybody,
everybody all the trucks, all

548
00:33:56,400 --> 00:34:00,700
the people.
Whoo, that's end everyone.

549
00:34:02,300 --> 00:34:04,900
He was that.
I don't think I had think of it

550
00:34:04,900 --> 00:34:15,400
sounds to me like, me holding
that empty gun on you, you know,

551
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,600
at the end of last episode,
that's how we are introduced to

552
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,300
him in Sam.
They they come upon Joel and

553
00:34:21,300 --> 00:34:23,100
Ellie why there?
Sleeping and they hold him at

554
00:34:23,100 --> 00:34:25,000
gunpoint.
The guns were empty.

555
00:34:25,300 --> 00:34:29,100
Henry tells Joe he was like me
holding that empty gun on you.

556
00:34:29,100 --> 00:34:32,000
That's the that's the closest
I've ever been to being a

557
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:36,600
violent man.
I'm sure Kathleen knew this but

558
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:41,400
you had to make a point, even
when when Henry was like, I will

559
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,900
give myself up, just let the
kids go.

560
00:34:43,900 --> 00:34:46,400
She's like, no, that's not how
this is gonna go.

561
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,300
Bitch, you got what you were
looking for right here.

562
00:34:49,699 --> 00:34:52,900
What are you going to do with a
child that has nothing to do

563
00:34:52,900 --> 00:34:55,500
with you?
And a child who is deaf, who

564
00:34:55,600 --> 00:35:02,900
can't do nothing like a snob.
Did you hear what she said?

565
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,800
He was supposed to die.
So he has to die.

566
00:35:06,900 --> 00:35:09,200
Yes, to die.
He has no leverage.

567
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:14,600
He has, you know most of that
market do you say as he lives in

568
00:35:14,700 --> 00:35:18,600
that tunnel vision?
That's what got her ass got in

569
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,900
the, in the first place.
That's huge.

570
00:35:20,900 --> 00:35:23,700
But he has no leverage
whatsoever is like, you can't

571
00:35:23,700 --> 00:35:26,500
bargain with her.
He's like, I'll give you, I'll

572
00:35:26,500 --> 00:35:28,400
give you myself.
If you let the kids go.

573
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,300
She's like, no, no.
No, no, we're not doing this.

574
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,300
Like you said television she's
like fuck that shit.

575
00:35:33,300 --> 00:35:35,400
Just bring your ass out here my
thing on the other.

576
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:51,400
So it's like, If you are looking
for this dude and you cut you

577
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,900
coming through the street and
you're talking all this shit.

578
00:35:53,900 --> 00:35:56,500
You got all your other people
with their guns waiting.

579
00:35:56,900 --> 00:35:59,300
Why the fuck is your gun?
Not in your hand?

580
00:35:59,900 --> 00:36:03,800
Like, literally, when he comes
out, you take a minute to look

581
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:07,400
at him, you say your little,
your little to Second monologue.

582
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:11,200
And then you reach for your,
your gun should have already

583
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,300
been at the red.
If you were that serious about

584
00:36:13,300 --> 00:36:18,100
killing this, dude, because you
could have shot him and Yes, you

585
00:36:18,100 --> 00:36:22,500
heard the truck making its
descent into the ground.

586
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:24,200
You could have been like yo
y'all wrap it up.

587
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:25,600
Let's go, let's go.
Let's go.

588
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:30,200
No, I'm gonna I'm gonna go with
Lori on this one.

589
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,800
Is the classic Trope with a
villain has to do this.

590
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:40,100
I've got a monologue monologue
basket.

591
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,400
Yep, look correct me if I'm
wrong.

592
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,200
Be incredible.
What year did The Incredibles

593
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,500
come out?
No, you know what?

594
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,200
It didn't come out until after
2003.

595
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,000
I think so.
They wouldn't have known about

596
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,200
syndrome and his no monologues
man so okay.

597
00:36:56,400 --> 00:37:02,100
Okay, never did because, because
she really could have just

598
00:37:02,100 --> 00:37:04,500
pulled a gun out and shot him.
Like, we all know why we're

599
00:37:04,500 --> 00:37:06,700
here, like everybody knows why
we're here.

600
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,100
We know why you're here, just do
hair the cloud again.

601
00:37:13,900 --> 00:37:16,700
Hang them up in Times Square,
whatever you want to do.

602
00:37:18,500 --> 00:37:21,500
She fell into that again.
She fell into that classic

603
00:37:21,500 --> 00:37:24,900
villain Trope, where it's kind
of like, I need the satisfaction

604
00:37:24,900 --> 00:37:29,100
of being able to look into Your
eyes and you know it that I got

605
00:37:29,100 --> 00:37:31,900
you that I I felt like that's
what it was.

606
00:37:31,900 --> 00:37:35,500
Was kind of like an ego thing,
not or maybe not, maybe not an

607
00:37:35,500 --> 00:37:37,800
ego thing, but it's basically
alike.

608
00:37:38,900 --> 00:37:41,800
You invaded me, and I finally
caught you and I'm going to get

609
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,400
my revenge.
Like she had to let him know.

610
00:37:45,500 --> 00:37:48,400
Notice what he came up from
behind the car with his hands up

611
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:50,700
high.
He was about to die.

612
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,600
Yeah.
The sit there and and milk the

613
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,900
moment for what it's worth.
You are not in the in the type

614
00:37:56,900 --> 00:37:59,200
of situation.
Where that is necessary.

615
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:00,700
Yes you did.
Yes you did.

616
00:38:00,700 --> 00:38:03,600
Of course he had to because this
is this is the moment that she's

617
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:05,700
been waiting for.
She's probably practiced his

618
00:38:05,700 --> 00:38:07,600
speech.
Everything practice is speech

619
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:09,300
ever since.
Has she ever since he got away

620
00:38:09,300 --> 00:38:12,900
from her ever since was times?
Like like she she he knew she

621
00:38:12,900 --> 00:38:15,600
knew that she wanted to see want
to say this shit, get this shit

622
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:17,500
off her chest before she put a
bullet in him.

623
00:38:17,700 --> 00:38:20,400
But it's like, you know, I mean
it's just like in The Last

624
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,000
Action Hero, we're like
everywhere Abraham's

625
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:24,700
monologuing, then the kid gets
him.

626
00:38:24,700 --> 00:38:28,500
And he monologues, he gets
caught and it's like you can't

627
00:38:28,500 --> 00:38:30,900
monitor.
I mean you just can't monologue

628
00:38:30,900 --> 00:38:33,200
because nothing good can happen,
nothing?

629
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,500
Good comes of it.
I think I think you know,

630
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:47,500
country He just walked up the we
know why you're here from the

631
00:38:47,500 --> 00:38:49,600
time.
Got out of the truck and you

632
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:53,400
started looking you're saying
you're already talking shit to

633
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,700
the do like you already let him
know.

634
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,100
We got you cornered.
There's no where else you can

635
00:38:58,100 --> 00:39:01,700
go, you knew where he was just
like granny and shoot them and

636
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:03,700
they would never running in the
middle of the street.

637
00:39:03,700 --> 00:39:06,900
While the truck was bulldozing
cars, there were running

638
00:39:06,900 --> 00:39:09,900
straight down the middle of the
street and then went to the left

639
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,200
and they're like, you're like,
you know, where they're right

640
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:13,900
there.
Right there.

641
00:39:13,900 --> 00:39:18,000
Like just just shoot, they all
really all she had to do if she

642
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,400
but she wanted to do it herself
but she could just said shoot

643
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,100
him.
Just just start just just make

644
00:39:22,100 --> 00:39:23,700
that shit swiss cheese and let's
go.

645
00:39:24,100 --> 00:39:28,300
Yeah, I do have a gripe though.
You know, Joel of they're

646
00:39:28,300 --> 00:39:32,600
popping headshots.
But he can't he can't pop

647
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:36,400
Kathleen's head like right
there.

648
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:46,300
Like he was protecting the three
from the infected in the

649
00:39:46,300 --> 00:39:49,400
clickers because you see that
got well of course, they got a

650
00:39:49,500 --> 00:39:51,800
especially close.
We find out at the end of the

651
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:53,500
episode but like they were
really close.

652
00:39:53,500 --> 00:39:57,200
I think his whole thing.
First of all, his focus is

653
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,000
protecting Ellie.
Yes.

654
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,800
I feel like at this He is
starting to care for her as more

655
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,300
than just cargo.
But at the same time, she is

656
00:40:05,300 --> 00:40:08,000
still cargo.
She is still the objective for

657
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:11,300
him to get to Wyoming and to
pass her off.

658
00:40:11,300 --> 00:40:14,000
So they can do whatever it is.
So that this shit that I'm

659
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,300
looking at right here, does not
continue to happen.

660
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,200
So I think that was his first
Focus.

661
00:40:19,500 --> 00:40:23,000
I think he got to a point where
he was about to shoot Kathleen

662
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:26,800
when she started talking about
Sam and she was like he's

663
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:28,700
supposed to die.
She was like what you think,

664
00:40:28,700 --> 00:40:31,500
just because he's your brother.
I like it just because he's a

665
00:40:31,500 --> 00:40:35,700
kid that the whole world is
going to revolve around him for

666
00:40:35,700 --> 00:40:41,500
a person who lost his child to
hear someone discounting you

667
00:40:41,500 --> 00:40:45,200
know another child like that.
I think that was when Joe was

668
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,600
like oh this bitch got to die
and I think right getting ready

669
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,800
to shoot her and then when she
pulled that gun up and you heard

670
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:56,500
the truck all of them went like
what does that and then you can

671
00:40:56,500 --> 00:40:58,400
see though they knew what it was
and what?

672
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,200
Yeah.
Well and before the end all

673
00:41:00,300 --> 00:41:05,800
Also, I think he was with Henry
being shot because he still, you

674
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,400
know, he doesn't agree with
collaborators, so he was like,

675
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,300
okay, he's just going to do his
opinions and that's his penis

676
00:41:11,300 --> 00:41:14,900
but as long as the kids are,
okay, I think what, when they

677
00:41:14,900 --> 00:41:19,400
were in the room, I think he
understood why Henry did it

678
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:23,100
because he did, but he wasn't
really trying to save him.

679
00:41:24,100 --> 00:41:26,800
Like you say it when it came to,
when she said, she wasn't gonna

680
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:30,100
let the kids go.
He was like I'm about to pop up

681
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:34,400
and press my ex up down,
whatever, reload, and get her

682
00:41:34,700 --> 00:41:35,900
because he could have been shot
her.

683
00:41:35,900 --> 00:41:39,400
When you hear me, I'ma let him
die.

684
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:43,500
Because he's a collaborator.
I think, I think, no, I'm

685
00:41:43,500 --> 00:41:45,800
thinking he wasn't going to
stop.

686
00:41:45,900 --> 00:41:49,100
I know, but what I'm saying is,
I think caregiver to caregiver.

687
00:41:50,100 --> 00:41:55,100
Whatever judgment or whatever
feelings he had towards Henry.

688
00:41:55,100 --> 00:41:58,500
Once he heard Henry story, I
think he was kind of like, okay,

689
00:41:58,500 --> 00:42:01,400
you know what?
Because if I had had Sarah, I

690
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,900
would have done the same thing
so I don't think that was the

691
00:42:03,900 --> 00:42:06,700
issue.
I think he would have, let Henry

692
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:10,400
died because he was like, okay,
Henry is giving himself up to

693
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,300
save these kids.
So, that is right, that is an

694
00:42:13,300 --> 00:42:16,600
acceptable sacrifice, but I
don't think it was any, I don't

695
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:19,600
think there was anything
personal attached to it.

696
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:23,800
Oh no I wasn't saying more so
Joel like thinking logically

697
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:27,400
like oh okay so this works, he
gives himself up the kids can go

698
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,500
free, okay?
But when Kathleen started

699
00:42:29,500 --> 00:42:32,900
saying, all this shit about kids
and old, what makes you think he

700
00:42:32,900 --> 00:42:34,500
wasn't supposed to die and blah
blah blah.

701
00:42:34,500 --> 00:42:36,600
I think Joe was like, no, this
bitch cocoa.

702
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:38,800
No, I'm agreeing with you with
that.

703
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,200
I'm not saying that he was
thinking, okay, he was Clarity.

704
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,300
I'm thinking he knew he was a
collaborator.

705
00:42:43,300 --> 00:42:47,000
He's giving himself up, that's
what you do, but I got to save

706
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,300
the kids.
So, similar to yours is just

707
00:42:49,300 --> 00:42:52,600
that It's going to be okay
because he's giving himself up.

708
00:42:52,900 --> 00:42:56,200
He did something.
They shouldn't have done, but I

709
00:42:56,207 --> 00:43:00,300
understand why he did it, but
Sam is not involved, Sam had no

710
00:43:00,300 --> 00:43:02,200
part in This.
Ellie had no part in this.

711
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,000
I don't have a part in this,
right?

712
00:43:04,700 --> 00:43:06,900
Yeah.
Like II having to kill your God

713
00:43:06,900 --> 00:43:10,100
because they came after me.
That's right.

714
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:13,600
Which was, which was fair.
I mean, look, all I'm trying to

715
00:43:13,607 --> 00:43:17,000
do is get to my brother and I
just happened to drive through.

716
00:43:18,700 --> 00:43:22,400
Y'all did all of this, I don't
have no money.

717
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:27,400
I don't even want to be here.
I have a side note in the side

718
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:33,100
thought with the side notes.
I thought um wait little I know

719
00:43:33,100 --> 00:43:38,800
of Joel so far it seems like I
don't think anybody really want

720
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,700
to.
Miss him too much because like

721
00:43:42,900 --> 00:43:47,100
to see like if someone kidnaps
earlier her zelly, I'm fully

722
00:43:47,100 --> 00:43:50,200
believe, he's gonna go full
Terminator mode and eliminate

723
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:52,300
everyone.
All right, so go Liam, Neeson

724
00:43:52,300 --> 00:43:54,200
taking mode.
That's what I was thinking.

725
00:43:55,100 --> 00:44:08,400
Yeah.
He has to, like, you tell her

726
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,500
that he's dead.
Yeah.

727
00:44:12,100 --> 00:44:14,200
That's yeah that's really that's
what he holds left.

728
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:16,200
Trigger.
Right trigger and hit start this

729
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:22,500
like God mode because he's like
he has this ability to to to

730
00:44:22,500 --> 00:44:27,600
size up, a certain situation and
come up with all the possible

731
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:32,400
outs and from very focused, very
focused.

732
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:38,400
And and he seems kind of
unshakable in that Focus except

733
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:41,800
for like I said in this
situation, once you see that

734
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:45,800
Ellie is in the danger that
she's in, I think that started

735
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,700
rattling him a little bit
because again, he's starting to

736
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:53,200
care about her.
I mean, even the be emphatic,

737
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:55,800
way.
That both of them, when Henry

738
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,000
made a mistake and was like,
yeah, your dad and they were

739
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,700
both like she's not, she's not
my daughter, I'm not her dad,

740
00:45:00,700 --> 00:45:07,200
he's not my dad, I think In a
sense that was kind of like to

741
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:11,000
remind themselves.
Like, oh, this is not who we are

742
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:12,700
to each other.
Because, like I said, I feel

743
00:45:12,700 --> 00:45:16,300
like they've gotten a little
more comfortable with each other

744
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:21,800
and you can kind of see them
having that Dynamic.

745
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,100
Now, where's when they first
met?

746
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,600
It was kind of like a fuck you,
fuck you type.

747
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:29,300
They I mean literally that's
that's at least favorite word

748
00:45:29,300 --> 00:45:32,500
and she I believe she did say
that to him a couple of times.

749
00:45:33,100 --> 00:45:38,400
Like now that that whole, that
whole attitude is different.

750
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:41,400
And I don't know, maybe when he
was in that window he started

751
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,400
realizing, okay?
You know what she is more than

752
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,200
just cargo, I need to protect
her.

753
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:51,700
Like I feel like in a sense he
was, he was reliving Sarah's

754
00:45:51,700 --> 00:45:53,500
death.
Even though the circumstances

755
00:45:53,500 --> 00:45:55,700
were really different, they were
still the same.

756
00:45:55,700 --> 00:45:59,400
There's a child that is in
danger and I need to be able to

757
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:06,800
save her. you know, and I mean,
the way the Beast The way these

758
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:08,600
clickers came out.
First of all, when that, when

759
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:12,600
that truck fell into the ground,
I was like, oh, there's a tunnel

760
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:15,900
there and then you start hearing
the noises.

761
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:19,200
I was like y'all sitting here
looking like, y'all can't

762
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:22,600
believe what that is.
I would have taken off because

763
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:27,500
again those clickers respond to
noise.

764
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:29,300
Why would you start shooting
your guns?

765
00:46:29,300 --> 00:46:32,000
Just take, take the fuck off,
take the fuck off, there's

766
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:35,100
enough of you out there.
If you running in different

767
00:46:35,100 --> 00:46:38,600
directions, you Would have at
least maybe confused a couple of

768
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:43,000
them trying to figure out which
way to go take the fuck off, sit

769
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:46,700
or at least get the trucks.
At least in the trucks.

770
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:50,900
I don't know if I would.
It would have, would have helped

771
00:46:50,900 --> 00:46:53,800
or harmed, but it's like they
would, they would help me go do

772
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:55,200
it.
He'll be shift into reverse and

773
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:56,900
get back to where the fuck I
came from.

774
00:46:57,300 --> 00:47:00,300
That's exactly what it was.
I just had flashbacks to World

775
00:47:00,300 --> 00:47:02,300
War Z.
I forgot that these

776
00:47:02,300 --> 00:47:10,400
motherfuckers was fast if that's
kind of like a geyser.

777
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:15,600
Damn boost.
The first infected That came up.

778
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:19,100
He kept getting trampled like it
took him four tries to even get

779
00:47:19,100 --> 00:47:22,000
a running start, because every
time he would start running,

780
00:47:22,100 --> 00:47:24,800
somebody will run over.
You fall to the ground, he get

781
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:26,700
back up.
Somebody else will run over he

782
00:47:26,700 --> 00:47:30,400
fall down, he get back up.
I was like, I was just looking

783
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:33,400
at that when they were coming
out, I was like, oh my God, but

784
00:47:33,900 --> 00:47:36,500
they keep coming and that was
not CGI.

785
00:47:36,500 --> 00:47:39,300
Those were all people.
I was looking just like, it's

786
00:47:39,300 --> 00:47:42,000
like, yeah, talking about the
bloater costume.

787
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:44,900
We'll talk about that blow.
Odor.

788
00:47:45,100 --> 00:47:52,000
But there were 10 to 15,
clickers in that group and 4260,

789
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:55,800
infected.
They said it took 65 prosthetic

790
00:47:55,800 --> 00:48:01,400
artist, five hours to apply all
that makeup.

791
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:06,500
Practical is that CGI, right?
That's cool.

792
00:48:06,500 --> 00:48:09,900
They started around 3 p.m.
because it was nice because it

793
00:48:09,900 --> 00:48:12,600
was a night, shoot, ya get it
done.

794
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:17,600
And that bloater costume, that
bloated costume.

795
00:48:17,900 --> 00:48:21,200
They said wait about 88 pounds.
Mm-hmm.

796
00:48:27,900 --> 00:48:39,000
And I'm just like When I came
out the ground, I look at him

797
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:44,700
and then just the noise he made
that I was like time to go that

798
00:48:44,700 --> 00:48:47,700
goal, you know, even he better
sound with his hand came up and

799
00:48:47,700 --> 00:48:49,800
hit the ground.
It made a sound.

800
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:58,400
I was like, uh, this would be
the promos a lot by calling him

801
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:01,000
like a Davy Jones.
Cast off from Pirates of the

802
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:02,700
Caribbean.
Oh no, Davy Jones's.

803
00:49:02,700 --> 00:49:07,400
Crew has nothing on this.
This this thing I was like,

804
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:11,800
nemesis from Resident Evil.
I was like, it's like McGee

805
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:12,900
yummy.
He was a pussy.

806
00:49:12,900 --> 00:49:15,300
Pussy was Unstoppable.
I was like, well, I don't know

807
00:49:15,300 --> 00:49:16,900
why what's his name?
Thought he was going to do

808
00:49:16,900 --> 00:49:21,100
something with his gun.
I was like he was Perry Perry's

809
00:49:21,100 --> 00:49:22,600
dumbass.
She's like run.

810
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:25,600
Don't look back.
I'm like you need to run and not

811
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:27,200
look back.
He over there trying to shoot.

812
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:29,400
It would be at this point.
He probably figured.

813
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:31,600
Okay, we're about to die.
So let me at least try to

814
00:49:31,607 --> 00:49:34,300
protect her.
Just say I knew he was going to

815
00:49:34,300 --> 00:49:36,500
die.
But I mean, literally ripped his

816
00:49:36,500 --> 00:49:40,500
head off and she's the leader.
I was so she's supposed to run.

817
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:43,300
Run and save herself.
But she just can't.

818
00:49:46,100 --> 00:49:48,800
I've been like, follow me, we're
getting out of here then just

819
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:54,300
gone because as soon as I
students, almost like, um, like

820
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:56,600
I would've been, I've been dead
because I've been frozen in

821
00:49:56,607 --> 00:49:58,400
fear.
I've been like, I can't believe

822
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,700
it was looking like better, you
than me?

823
00:50:01,900 --> 00:50:04,500
She was like, come with me.
He was like, go, she was like,

824
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:07,000
oh, okay, don't you got to
repeat yourself, it should go

825
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:12,200
but go on without me.
You go but then of course she

826
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:16,800
comes back because Henry I'm
just like when she when she when

827
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:20,700
she showed back, when she showed
up and she was like stop.

828
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:24,000
She didn't even get.
I mean like you said, Anthony

829
00:50:24,100 --> 00:50:26,700
when you told me to stop you
could have just shot or didn't

830
00:50:26,700 --> 00:50:30,100
even have to tell him the shot.
You are a shit person.

831
00:50:30,100 --> 00:50:33,100
Anyway shut his ass in the back,
your shit person.

832
00:50:33,100 --> 00:50:35,800
Anyway, when the made any
difference, anybody who it would

833
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:38,300
have mattered to they're
fighting for their lives.

834
00:50:38,300 --> 00:50:41,600
Chances are nobody's going to
see it if you You really, really

835
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:43,900
wanted to kill him.
That's all you had to do.

836
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,200
It would have been done.
Yes, you would still end up

837
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:48,500
dead, but at least you would
have gotten the satisfaction of

838
00:50:48,500 --> 00:50:51,500
doing what you set out here to
do in the first place.

839
00:50:52,500 --> 00:50:55,700
Like at least accomplish your
goals, considering you brought

840
00:50:55,700 --> 00:50:59,800
all of your people, all of your
soldiers out here with you, for

841
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:04,000
them to die, at least accomplish
your goal, but she couldn't even

842
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:06,200
do that.
She's too busy.

843
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:09,900
She wants to look him in the
face and I really feel that

844
00:51:09,900 --> 00:51:12,200
like, that's what it was.
Oh, I want I want to look in

845
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:16,000
your eyes when I kill you and
that's why you did.

846
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:22,000
No, that's why I say and do is
secure, even let it go or kill

847
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:22,800
him.
Site.

848
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:26,600
She can do either one and she
paid the ultimate price ultimate

849
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:30,300
price Ultimate Prize.
But, you know, the other thing

850
00:51:30,300 --> 00:51:35,700
and blue I was kind of So I
don't know, maybe this is not

851
00:51:35,700 --> 00:51:39,200
the case, but I was kind of
wondering even the way that she

852
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:41,400
was.
I feel like the way that she was

853
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:45,800
so focused on him.
And even when he came up from

854
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:49,100
behind the car, the way they
were kind of looking at each

855
00:51:49,100 --> 00:51:54,100
other and like, taking it in.
I wonder if there was something

856
00:51:54,100 --> 00:51:57,900
more between them, and that's
why the Betrayal was even more

857
00:51:58,500 --> 00:52:02,600
like, were they romantically
involved where they best friends

858
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:05,700
were they really?
Close and then he did this and

859
00:52:05,700 --> 00:52:09,100
that's why she was so focused on
him because when they looked at

860
00:52:09,100 --> 00:52:13,700
each other, when he came from
behind the car, it was a okay.

861
00:52:13,700 --> 00:52:15,600
I'm here.
I had you.

862
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:19,200
You have me and it was a oh
there you are a, have you?

863
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:21,600
But there was something about
the way they looked at each

864
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:22,900
other.
I was like, there's something

865
00:52:22,900 --> 00:52:26,300
more that I feel like there
might have been a close

866
00:52:26,300 --> 00:52:30,500
friendship or relationship and
that's why the Betrayal was even

867
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:36,200
like so, you know, Like, I don't
know, she let single

868
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:39,600
hyper-focused on him.
I think he was really close to

869
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:42,400
her brother because the way he
was talking about it almost like

870
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:47,500
he was a mint tea to her
brother.

871
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:50,200
Okay.
And I mean so he was around them

872
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:51,400
a lot.
Yeah.

873
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,500
Because that's what kind of got
that feeling.

874
00:52:54,900 --> 00:53:01,300
Yeah it was around them a lot
and making it seem like they

875
00:53:01,300 --> 00:53:04,300
were her and her brother.
Then Yeah, that would make

876
00:53:04,300 --> 00:53:06,400
sense.
But I was like, this is not just

877
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:08,700
a random.
Oh, you rat in my brother out.

878
00:53:08,700 --> 00:53:11,900
This is like deeply deeply
personal.

879
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:15,700
I felt that like for you to have
that kind of focus.

880
00:53:15,700 --> 00:53:18,300
Like, okay, yes, I know that
their clickers, that may be

881
00:53:18,300 --> 00:53:20,700
coming through this thing.
We're just going to ignore that

882
00:53:20,700 --> 00:53:22,400
for right now because I really
want to find this.

883
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,300
Do all right, you know what?
Y'all could be scouring other

884
00:53:25,300 --> 00:53:28,700
buildings but no I want
everybody to come with me to

885
00:53:29,100 --> 00:53:36,100
like you don't need 30 men.
To take in a two men and two

886
00:53:36,100 --> 00:53:39,800
children, right?
So he was really close to

887
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:46,200
Michael to the point probably
that he defended Henry and was

888
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:49,900
like, oh my gosh, she's like a
son or another brother to us.

889
00:53:49,900 --> 00:53:52,600
I'm going to take him under my
wing because that's the ultimate

890
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:54,300
betrayal.
When someone is close to your

891
00:53:54,300 --> 00:53:58,200
family, kept coming over, Mama's
cooking him dinner, you know,

892
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:02,300
Chef Boyardee from 20 years ago
with some seasoning salt on top.

893
00:54:03,100 --> 00:54:07,100
And now.
Yeah, well, well, what's all

894
00:54:07,100 --> 00:54:09,500
this out?
I think she was erring on the

895
00:54:09,500 --> 00:54:13,700
side of caution because she
didn't know who Joe was see.

896
00:54:13,700 --> 00:54:18,200
Thought maybe Henry had
contacted people outside and

897
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:21,000
that Joel was a part of a larger
Force.

898
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:24,400
I think that was something that
was, I think that was something

899
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:27,900
that back to her Maya because
like they didn't know who Joel

900
00:54:27,900 --> 00:54:31,700
was or what was going on with
him, right.

901
00:54:31,700 --> 00:54:34,200
But when she saw them, It was
just the three of them.

902
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:37,200
It was just Henry, salmon are
right, but she didn't shoot.

903
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:42,500
But on the way there you see
doesn't know like, you don't

904
00:54:42,500 --> 00:54:46,500
know, maybe they had a
rendezvous with more people like

905
00:54:46,500 --> 00:54:49,800
C C's erring on the side of
caution, like see this not going

906
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:51,900
to go there and turn about is
waiting for them on the other

907
00:54:51,900 --> 00:54:53,800
side of the bridge, right?
Yeah.

908
00:54:53,900 --> 00:54:56,300
See that she doesn't know that
she'll come with the army.

909
00:54:56,300 --> 00:55:00,400
So you can coming arm because he
doesn't know ways walking into

910
00:55:00,500 --> 00:55:02,700
your ass walking into and she
paid the price for coming with

911
00:55:02,700 --> 00:55:06,700
the are Did you make so much?
Damn noise that your army is now

912
00:55:06,700 --> 00:55:09,400
gone.
This is a forgotten and they all

913
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:13,500
heading to the city food writer,
he's probably wrong.

914
00:55:13,700 --> 00:55:19,400
So many so many with her was
because she didn't know whether

915
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:22,700
or not Joel was part of a larger
force that he could have been

916
00:55:22,700 --> 00:55:25,100
scattered.
Because in her mind this was she

917
00:55:25,100 --> 00:55:26,600
was right.
So what's the saying, you don't

918
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:29,200
bring a knife to a gum party.
Don't fight.

919
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:32,900
Don't fight your height.
Yeah, like a tough.

920
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:35,700
We're party.
Where you like selling, you

921
00:55:35,700 --> 00:55:38,000
don't bring a knife to a
temporary party beautifully

922
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:44,100
done.
So the other thing that

923
00:55:44,100 --> 00:55:48,200
irritated me, because I just saw
it in the background when she

924
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:51,600
does stop him, or when she does
stop them and she's like stop

925
00:55:51,700 --> 00:55:54,200
and she stands there.
She's looking at them, when

926
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:59,200
Ellie looks over because the the
clicker child, contortionist

927
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:02,900
whatever is about to come to
Kathleen.

928
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:06,000
Kathleen.
When you turned around your ass

929
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:09,500
should be shooting.
Like you already knew if she was

930
00:56:09,500 --> 00:56:12,000
looking over to the side with
that, look like Ellen was look

931
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:16,000
like, oh, you fucked up.
If somebody is looking to that

932
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:19,200
side with that look and you
already know that their clickers

933
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:22,100
and infected behind you, I'm
going to turn around and I'm

934
00:56:22,100 --> 00:56:26,300
immediately shooting at whatever
it is, I'm turning around to see

935
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:30,200
we again, we're talking about
tunnel vision that she has like

936
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:33,100
she she doesn't want to take her
gun off of Henry because just

937
00:56:33,300 --> 00:56:37,400
Want him getting away but
already turning towards the

938
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:40,000
clicker.
So the gun was already turning

939
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:42,800
with her.
Yeah but she still has

940
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:46,000
television though just like
she's still only thinking about

941
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:47,400
getting Henry.
She's like I'm not letting you

942
00:56:47,408 --> 00:56:48,500
get away.
Then she's like, what are you

943
00:56:48,508 --> 00:56:50,800
looking?
Oh shit, she's not, like really

944
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:53,200
like what's that?
I don't think she was that

945
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:56,800
stupid when she when she saw at
least face and she turned

946
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:59,200
around, she knew what she was
about to get into.

947
00:57:00,500 --> 00:57:05,500
I mean, how should I know With
all of the stuff that was going

948
00:57:05,500 --> 00:57:07,700
on behind you.
You know what you was turning

949
00:57:07,700 --> 00:57:10,000
around to see it was either
going to be a clicker and

950
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:13,000
infected or it was going to be
Joe with a gun at you.

951
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:15,200
Either way it goes, you died in
that.

952
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:17,400
Looked at Ellie just gave to
your left.

953
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:18,900
You're dying, either way it
goes.

954
00:57:18,900 --> 00:57:20,600
Whatever is behind you you're
about to die.

955
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:23,700
So you should have turned around
shooting but then again we see

956
00:57:23,700 --> 00:57:28,100
this shooting is not her strong
point which is why she's dead

957
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:34,900
but still is is like Sensual
anything in either episode so

958
00:57:34,900 --> 00:57:37,300
it's like I don't think she
knows how to shoot, she's knows

959
00:57:37,300 --> 00:57:42,700
that all good.
Some of these infected and die

960
00:57:43,900 --> 00:57:47,000
and she sought some Infected.
Before we go on to have this

961
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:49,600
question, I thought the infected
one or two.

962
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:54,200
In fact, they came out, they
come on, infecting it came out

963
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:56,300
killing.
I just thought about that, to re

964
00:57:56,300 --> 00:57:59,500
watching him, like, you seem
like they weren't they were

965
00:57:59,500 --> 00:58:05,900
pissed off, they were Were like,
wow, I'm trying, they probably

966
00:58:05,900 --> 00:58:11,100
pissed off because they've been
underground for 15 years.

967
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:16,500
And so maybe somewhere in that
Evolution, they went from

968
00:58:16,500 --> 00:58:19,200
wanting to infect 20.
We've been to kill the folks who

969
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:22,500
kept us up on who starved us for
15 years.

970
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:28,000
That's probably what it was.
It's like, you know, you did

971
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:32,500
have infected as well as the
clickers being affected

972
00:58:32,500 --> 00:58:36,000
depending on the stage.
They're still part human.

973
00:58:36,500 --> 00:58:40,500
So maybe that anger made.
Yeah, it's like, oh, you've kept

974
00:58:40,500 --> 00:58:43,500
us down here for so long or
you've kept, you know, you've

975
00:58:43,500 --> 00:58:48,300
kept them isolated.
So I don't know, maybe that's

976
00:58:48,300 --> 00:58:51,500
all the human and adrenaline,
that's like oh we gotta get out

977
00:58:51,500 --> 00:58:52,600
of here.
We got to do whatever.

978
00:58:53,100 --> 00:58:54,800
I don't know if they weren't,
they were pissed.

979
00:58:55,100 --> 00:58:58,500
And I have a feeling Probably
were still infecting people, but

980
00:58:58,500 --> 00:59:03,000
it was just a frenzy and of
course, they hear the noise.

981
00:59:03,300 --> 00:59:05,000
And what did the clickers do?
The clickers.

982
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:08,000
Attacked when they were in the
museum and they heard noise

983
00:59:08,500 --> 00:59:10,600
right?
Was like I feel like for that

984
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:15,100
day, attack first and then
infect after that II mean I

985
00:59:15,100 --> 00:59:17,200
don't know.
I don't know the door like a

986
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:21,000
little girl was it wasn't trying
to, you know, keep Kathleen line

987
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:22,800
to infect.
Their, she beat the hell out of

988
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:24,000
her face.
Yes.

989
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:25,700
And that's exactly what happened
to that guy.

990
00:59:26,100 --> 00:59:28,200
That was on the ground floor at
the Museum.

991
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:33,500
When Ellie was like, I've seen a
clicker and I'm they didn't do

992
00:59:33,500 --> 00:59:35,100
that.
Well, apparently, they just

993
00:59:35,100 --> 00:59:37,300
look.
You know, you wasn't trying to

994
00:59:37,300 --> 00:59:41,400
kill them with machine guns and
trucks and all this other stuff.

995
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:45,000
They probably look the alien was
like, oh she's harmless.

996
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:48,100
We can take care of her and you
know, however, they think or

997
00:59:48,100 --> 00:59:50,600
communicate or whatever they
were like okay, she's not a

998
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:52,700
threat.
We're just gonna go ahead and in

999
00:59:52,700 --> 00:59:55,800
fact, her and be done.
But when you have someone that

1000
00:59:55,900 --> 00:59:59,200
That's actively like trying to
kill you.

1001
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:05,000
I think, with any species or
organism your your survival mode

1002
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:07,300
kicks in, you're like, okay
you're trying to kill me or let

1003
01:00:07,300 --> 01:00:08,600
me go ahead and take care of
that.

1004
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:13,200
Because other than that yeah,
that didn't make sense to me,

1005
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:15,600
you that I was like, why are
they attacking them?

1006
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:20,800
But then again, If you know that
what's being done to your what's

1007
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:24,200
being shocked, you know, the the
bullets, the guns whatever.

1008
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:29,200
If you have that whole what is a
hive mind?

1009
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:33,200
Borg mentality?
Like the the the the the strands

1010
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:37,100
that can communicate, they know
what death is like because they

1011
01:00:37,100 --> 01:00:42,600
felt it from Other infected.
So they probably oh yeah this is

1012
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:44,400
not what we want.
Yeah let's go ahead and take

1013
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:47,400
care of this.
Yeah and then also their

1014
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:50,400
underground and because they're
still actually alive.

1015
01:00:50,700 --> 01:00:54,200
So the thing is they thought
that this was a barrier and once

1016
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:56,600
they get through this barrier
then they can go actually

1017
01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:59,900
infect.
The rest of the noise the city.

1018
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:02,500
So now they can go in the city
and actually spread.

1019
01:01:02,700 --> 01:01:07,000
So just like an infection, we
got to get through that barrier

1020
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:09,600
of what medication or whatever,
you trying to put in your body

1021
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:11,400
to stop me once I get through
that.

1022
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:14,100
Barry, I can spray it out.
Yeah.

1023
01:01:14,100 --> 01:01:16,300
Because there were those like
there was like one guy that had

1024
01:01:16,300 --> 01:01:19,400
three of them on them that were
like tearing their like pulling

1025
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:22,800
him like three different ways
and also like the blowtorch, I

1026
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:25,900
don't think the bloater really
was think about anything but

1027
01:01:25,900 --> 01:01:28,000
crushing people but I believe he
was there.

1028
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:31,300
Just body slam and everybody
came in contact like the Hulk.

1029
01:01:31,300 --> 01:01:35,900
He was smashed and shit.
It's fixable and just Lipscomb

1030
01:01:35,900 --> 01:01:37,500
is like the sound their bodies
made.

1031
01:01:37,500 --> 01:01:40,400
When they these sound designers
are fucking read fucking

1032
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:42,900
ridiculously good.
Like that mean the sound.

1033
01:01:42,900 --> 01:01:45,700
He made when he slammed down was
like, it wasn't like booms.

1034
01:01:45,700 --> 01:01:50,600
Like, it's like the closest to a
Splat that you could get fully

1035
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:54,500
human body.
Like God damn it, sounded gross.

1036
01:01:55,400 --> 01:02:00,000
It was Grim Superior lost his
fucking head so it's not like

1037
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:03,900
that.
Sound like if you ever have Read

1038
01:02:03,900 --> 01:02:07,000
the word squelch, that's what
that sounds like.

1039
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:12,000
That's what that is.
It's a squelch just horrible.

1040
01:02:12,100 --> 01:02:16,300
At least I was watching
something and they were talking

1041
01:02:16,300 --> 01:02:20,200
about the amount of force that
it takes to rip to rip.

1042
01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:22,800
Someone's head off is
incredible.

1043
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:27,400
Like, it takes a lot to do that.
I mean, they Lucy didn't, at

1044
01:02:27,408 --> 01:02:29,600
least she didn't suffer with
him, just like pulling and

1045
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:33,100
pulling and like kind of ringing
and pulling in liked, it's not

1046
01:02:33,100 --> 01:02:34,500
coming off.
Some like, you know, just

1047
01:02:34,500 --> 01:02:36,700
ripping him.
He doesn't really like, like you

1048
01:02:36,700 --> 01:02:38,400
back here at the piece of paper.
Like, goddamn.

1049
01:02:38,900 --> 01:02:42,700
But yeah, I mean, I saw
something too.

1050
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:45,400
I think somebody it was like,
one of those.

1051
01:02:46,100 --> 01:02:50,800
One of those shows that talks
about effects in a movie and

1052
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:54,100
stuff, and, you know, like kill
shots, like they're saying even

1053
01:02:54,500 --> 01:02:58,500
how easy people make it seem,
like, in a movie to, like, just

1054
01:02:58,500 --> 01:03:01,100
cut somebody's throat.
They're like, no, you are a

1055
01:03:01,100 --> 01:03:05,200
regular human can't just do Ooh
that just like Swish and

1056
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:09,000
actually cut somebody's throat.
Like there has to be a specific

1057
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:10,300
way.
You do it, there has to be a

1058
01:03:10,300 --> 01:03:13,600
specific Force like that's not
something the average person can

1059
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:18,000
do.
So if that's hard we can just

1060
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:19,900
imagine ripping off somebody's
head.

1061
01:03:19,900 --> 01:03:23,500
I mean to decapitate someone
takes some strength.

1062
01:03:23,900 --> 01:03:27,200
So for that bloated to just be
like yeah, okay this is what we

1063
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:31,900
going to do.
I was like Well, like Michelle

1064
01:03:31,900 --> 01:03:35,800
said, well, he's not interested
in infecting him, and I mean,

1065
01:03:36,900 --> 01:03:40,400
maybe they still can, maybe
there's going to be a headless

1066
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:43,100
per Perry walking around with
the mice.

1067
01:03:43,700 --> 01:03:45,600
Hmm.
I mean, think about, like, all I

1068
01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:47,800
gotta do is like go to grow like
a little fungus hitter.

1069
01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:50,200
Les thing he is really need a
head just like that.

1070
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:56,900
I was just like I'm right there.
No, no, that's not.

1071
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:05,300
It has to be fully intact and
functioning functioning, okay.

1072
01:04:05,300 --> 01:04:07,900
Well, maybe they had maybe the
head will be this way, he'll

1073
01:04:07,900 --> 01:04:09,900
come out of the head, and then
he'll just be rolling down the

1074
01:04:09,900 --> 01:04:13,000
road and be like, like a
tumbleweed.

1075
01:04:13,100 --> 01:04:18,800
It's like, no, no, absolutely.
You know what?

1076
01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:21,600
That just reminded me.
That just reminded me of the

1077
01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:24,900
little baby doll hair from Toy
Story, the one with the erector

1078
01:04:24,900 --> 01:04:33,000
set of body.
Oh, Rolling down the street with

1079
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:41,100
the how many people in The
Walking Dead shows walk around

1080
01:04:41,100 --> 01:04:47,200
with by the heads and boxers?
Well, if you watch no them quick

1081
01:04:48,100 --> 01:05:11,900
because they're dead.
This get to the hard part.

1082
01:05:11,900 --> 01:05:17,400
So, of course, after Kathleen is
attacked, by the child clicker,

1083
01:05:17,900 --> 01:05:22,200
we cut to an abandoned hotel.
Now Motel, now this is.

1084
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:27,900
This is the other thing I
realize y'all are in the motel.

1085
01:05:27,900 --> 01:05:30,800
I realize y'all are just
thankful that you're alive.

1086
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:34,900
Why are you sitting in the room
of an abandoned motel with the

1087
01:05:34,900 --> 01:05:40,200
blinds open and the One Singular
light on like you are signaling

1088
01:05:40,300 --> 01:05:44,200
To any and everybody.
Heck repair because of Any of

1089
01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:47,500
Kathleen's people did happen to
get out and go in the same

1090
01:05:47,500 --> 01:05:52,500
direction looking for safety.
All right, you think they're not

1091
01:05:52,500 --> 01:05:56,300
gonna finish what Kathleen
started and at this it done they

1092
01:05:56,300 --> 01:06:00,000
would be even more pissed
because they're like, oh, you us

1093
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:03,600
chasing after you you just got
all our people kill.

1094
01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:06,000
Like y'all just advertising that
you're here.

1095
01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:08,400
No one survived that.
I'm sorry.

1096
01:06:09,100 --> 01:06:12,700
Joe saw them are all the things
running in the opposite

1097
01:06:12,700 --> 01:06:15,300
direction, to the cities of the
serious times.

1098
01:06:15,300 --> 01:06:18,300
The city is concerned right now
for themselves then that worried

1099
01:06:18,300 --> 01:06:22,300
about Henry and Sam anymore.
I know they're trying to figure

1100
01:06:22,300 --> 01:06:24,000
out how they're going to survive
the night.

1101
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:28,700
I'm just saying I feel it's kind
of like don't don't don't be a

1102
01:06:28,700 --> 01:06:31,800
beacon and let everybody know.
Hey we're here because you don't

1103
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:34,600
know what else is out there.
You don't know who else is out

1104
01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:36,200
there.
Yeah, you got the people in the

1105
01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:37,300
city.
It might be a couple of

1106
01:06:37,300 --> 01:06:41,300
stragglers somewhere over here.
I'm just I'm just saying that

1107
01:06:41,300 --> 01:06:42,900
you don't have to advertise
Wherever You Are.

1108
01:06:43,900 --> 01:06:49,700
No, you're right, but I think
Joe has I think he's Savvy

1109
01:06:49,700 --> 01:06:54,900
enough to know the situation.
Mary Jo was tired as fuck.

1110
01:06:54,900 --> 01:06:58,200
Joe was sitting on the ground
looking like he was about to

1111
01:06:58,200 --> 01:07:02,000
pass out from exhaustion.
Joe was sitting there looking

1112
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:04,300
like, what the fuck did we just
escape from?

1113
01:07:04,300 --> 01:07:09,400
Like he's in shock, he's in exam
even get it get their backpacks

1114
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:12,800
and craft some health reserves
or freezer.

1115
01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:20,300
Well, we've never find a health
kit, right?

1116
01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:24,300
Well it was so at this point I
was like okay how's this going

1117
01:07:24,300 --> 01:07:27,300
to end?
Because it's always alien do by

1118
01:07:27,300 --> 01:07:30,300
themselves so they going to go
their separate ways.

1119
01:07:30,700 --> 01:07:34,200
But as he's talking to Henry,
I'm thinking, oh my gosh, Henry

1120
01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:42,100
has been bitten?
Yeah, probably not about Henry,

1121
01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:44,300
but I knew I was like This is
going to end.

1122
01:07:44,300 --> 01:07:45,900
And again this is my whole
thing.

1123
01:07:45,900 --> 01:07:50,100
I'm sitting here looking like
they have like when they showed

1124
01:07:50,100 --> 01:07:54,700
the motel you very you see that
there's one light on.

1125
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:57,400
I really thought that somebody
from Kathleen's crew was going

1126
01:07:57,400 --> 01:08:00,800
to show up and kill them,
especially once Joe was like, I

1127
01:08:00,808 --> 01:08:03,200
don't know how I'm getting to
Wyoming but if you guys want I

1128
01:08:03,207 --> 01:08:06,000
was like, yeah, they're not
gonna make it to Wyoming.

1129
01:08:06,300 --> 01:08:09,000
I was like because and that's
what I thought because he

1130
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:10,200
invited thought it was going to
be.

1131
01:08:10,600 --> 01:08:13,500
I thought was going to be Henry
and that they do, take Sam and

1132
01:08:13,600 --> 01:08:15,800
They dropped them off with a
lovely family.

1133
01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:20,300
Who's looking to adopt a child.
Pray that out in your head.

1134
01:08:20,399 --> 01:08:21,700
I did.
That's why I thought that was

1135
01:08:21,700 --> 01:08:24,100
gonna happen.
I thought he was gonna say by my

1136
01:08:24,100 --> 01:08:25,300
brother.
I love you.

1137
01:08:25,300 --> 01:08:30,100
You know, this is the price.
I have to pay take our family

1138
01:08:30,100 --> 01:08:33,100
name and live on and I thought,
okay, next episode, when they

1139
01:08:33,100 --> 01:08:35,100
make it to, they gonna drop this
little boy off, with some

1140
01:08:35,100 --> 01:08:37,100
family.
You know?

1141
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:39,300
I thought that's what was gonna
house.

1142
01:08:39,300 --> 01:08:42,500
All my gosh, because he just
looks so sad and like, yeah,

1143
01:08:42,500 --> 01:08:46,200
I'll join you and I'm thinking,
oh hell he's bit somewhere and

1144
01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:51,000
he won't say I was wrong but no,
it wasn't him.

1145
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:55,800
We we, you know, while Joel and
Henry are out there just kind of

1146
01:08:56,100 --> 01:08:58,600
counting their blessings that
they are still alive.

1147
01:08:58,899 --> 01:09:01,100
You know, the kids are in the
other room, they're in the

1148
01:09:01,300 --> 01:09:06,800
bedroom and Elias reading to Sam
from a comic book that they

1149
01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:12,100
found in the The Little Shelter
area and they start having this

1150
01:09:12,100 --> 01:09:18,800
conversation and I mean Sam was
looking so sad but I didn't I

1151
01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:23,399
didn't take it to mean that he
was dying.

1152
01:09:23,899 --> 01:09:28,000
I just took it like, okay, he
just saw all of this horrible

1153
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:31,800
stuff go on.
He's only with nine in this

1154
01:09:32,100 --> 01:09:35,300
eight, in this episode.
So I'm like okay he's just

1155
01:09:35,700 --> 01:09:39,700
taking the time to kind of take
it all in and you know, they

1156
01:09:39,700 --> 01:09:42,600
start having the conversation,
he writes to La.

1157
01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:45,800
He was like, you know, Do you
ever get scared?

1158
01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:48,100
And she was like I'm scared all
the time and they go back and

1159
01:09:48,100 --> 01:09:53,500
forth with all of this and you
know, after Henry tells them to

1160
01:09:53,500 --> 01:09:57,700
go to bed or tell Sam to go to
bed when he closes the door.

1161
01:09:57,700 --> 01:10:00,500
Ellie like tell Sam.
Hey get up, let's continue.

1162
01:10:00,500 --> 01:10:03,600
Reading the comic book and Sam
is just like looking at her and

1163
01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:08,100
he was like when they have a
conversation about being scared,

1164
01:10:08,100 --> 01:10:10,200
Elliot meant.
She was like I'm scared of being

1165
01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:16,400
alone and then Sam says he Is
her a message or he writes a

1166
01:10:16,407 --> 01:10:19,500
message?
And he was like if you turn into

1167
01:10:19,500 --> 01:10:23,800
a monster, is there is there
still a part of you inside?

1168
01:10:24,400 --> 01:10:29,800
And I think when he said that
Ellie knew and she just kind of

1169
01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:34,300
looked at him and the way that
he I'm telling you Sam's whole

1170
01:10:34,300 --> 01:10:38,400
demeanor throughout this this
scene because he was so calm

1171
01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:43,300
about it like he wasn't.
He wasn't hysterical, he wasn't

1172
01:10:43,300 --> 01:10:45,000
upset.
It was just kind of one of those

1173
01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:46,800
things.
It reminded me of Rosita,

1174
01:10:47,400 --> 01:10:49,700
Michelle and The Walking Dead.
It was kind of one of those

1175
01:10:49,700 --> 01:10:52,800
things like he accepted, what
was about to happen.

1176
01:10:53,200 --> 01:10:56,800
And I don't know, maybe because
he had been sick before with a

1177
01:10:56,800 --> 01:10:59,400
disease that that could have
killed him.

1178
01:10:59,700 --> 01:11:03,000
Maybe he was just kind of like,
okay, you know what it is what

1179
01:11:03,000 --> 01:11:05,300
it is.
It is it has happened.

1180
01:11:05,700 --> 01:11:10,800
You know, he lifts up his pant
leg and he has been infected and

1181
01:11:10,900 --> 01:11:18,700
Again, according to the poster
that we saw in the qz, it if you

1182
01:11:18,700 --> 01:11:25,800
get infected in the leg, it
takes 12 to 24 hours before you

1183
01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:29,900
you become, you know, quote,
unquote infected.

1184
01:11:29,900 --> 01:11:34,000
So at this point, this is when
Ellie is thinking she was like

1185
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:36,700
oh wait a minute, she was like
my blood is medicine and she

1186
01:11:36,700 --> 01:11:40,700
cuts her hand open and she puts
her open wound on top.

1187
01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:44,600
Of his woman thinking that her
blood will be able to cure him

1188
01:11:45,100 --> 01:11:50,600
and I felt so bad because when
she did that I was like maybe I

1189
01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:54,300
was there was like a part of me
that was like, maybe there's

1190
01:11:54,300 --> 01:12:01,000
hope maybe it'll slow it down or
something and my first thought

1191
01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:05,200
was it don't work like that.
And my second thought was your,

1192
01:12:05,200 --> 01:12:06,900
she actually might make it
worse.

1193
01:12:07,200 --> 01:12:10,700
What the third thought was, you
need more blood than that.

1194
01:12:10,900 --> 01:12:13,300
Because you don't have to cut,
you know if let him suck on the

1195
01:12:13,300 --> 01:12:16,300
blood, pour some actual blood on
it, not just a little bit of.

1196
01:12:16,500 --> 01:12:17,300
Yeah.
Do your chance.

1197
01:12:17,300 --> 01:12:20,000
He's right.
You need to cut a larger hole in

1198
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:23,900
your arm and I thought your 4x4
thought was bitching out a

1199
01:12:23,900 --> 01:12:25,600
vampire.
What the hell are you doing?

1200
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:28,700
Trying to turn him?
But, you know, stop.

1201
01:12:28,700 --> 01:12:32,900
The other thing was, when, when
she put her hand on his, and his

1202
01:12:32,900 --> 01:12:36,100
on his leg, and she closes her
eyes, and it's almost like, I

1203
01:12:36,108 --> 01:12:38,700
don't know if she's praying, or
if she's just kind of like

1204
01:12:38,700 --> 01:12:40,100
please work.
Please work.

1205
01:12:40,400 --> 01:12:43,500
But your Number in the earlier
episodes, we were talking about

1206
01:12:43,500 --> 01:12:46,000
when she first encounters the
clicker in the museum and the

1207
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:49,600
way she kind of closed her eyes
when it approached, you know,

1208
01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:53,600
there's been the question of
whether or not, she can actually

1209
01:12:53,600 --> 01:13:00,600
feel these things or if she can
control something, you know, and

1210
01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:03,600
it was just one of those things
where I felt like, okay, maybe

1211
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:06,200
her doing this, maybe she can
communicate with it.

1212
01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:09,400
Tell it to slow down whatever it
is until they can figure out

1213
01:13:09,400 --> 01:13:10,700
some.
I don't know.

1214
01:13:11,200 --> 01:13:16,200
But there was a small part of me
that was hoping, okay, let this

1215
01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:18,600
do something.
Please don't kill this baby in

1216
01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:23,100
this episode and then you know
all I saw was what's his name in

1217
01:13:23,100 --> 01:13:25,500
Green Mile, when he was trying
to heal little girls?

1218
01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:29,300
He was like there's too much I
can't take it out of my was like

1219
01:13:31,400 --> 01:13:35,200
yeah I was like why you gotta
kill the little black boy?

1220
01:13:37,700 --> 01:13:40,300
I thought she might be
accelerating.

1221
01:13:40,900 --> 01:13:42,800
To.
Yeah, she probably did too.

1222
01:13:43,400 --> 01:13:47,200
She probably could have because,
I mean, it's what may be the

1223
01:13:47,200 --> 01:13:50,700
next morning when she wakes up
because he tells her to stay

1224
01:13:50,700 --> 01:13:55,300
away with him and I think she
maybe she just dozed off for a

1225
01:13:55,308 --> 01:13:58,200
little, I don't know, but he was
sitting on the side of the bed

1226
01:13:58,200 --> 01:14:02,400
towards the window, which I'm
thinking he probably did that

1227
01:14:02,400 --> 01:14:04,500
before.
He turned like he wanted to see

1228
01:14:04,500 --> 01:14:08,500
the sun the, you know, one last
time because again, he was very

1229
01:14:08,500 --> 01:14:10,000
calm.
I think he knew that he was

1230
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:10,900
going to die.
Why?

1231
01:14:11,500 --> 01:14:16,100
And when she goes over and she
tries to touch him, it's so

1232
01:14:16,100 --> 01:14:19,400
strange because she, she's
making noise when she gets out

1233
01:14:19,400 --> 01:14:22,500
of the chair.
She says, hey, he doesn't turn

1234
01:14:23,100 --> 01:14:24,900
is not until she actually
touched him.

1235
01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:28,400
That he turns towards her and we
see that he's changed.

1236
01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:31,300
And of course, he attacks her.
She runs out of the room and he

1237
01:14:31,300 --> 01:14:35,000
attacks her on the ground and
Joel and Henry are sleep in the

1238
01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:37,300
other room and they both wake up
and they're panicking.

1239
01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:41,200
Joe goes for the gun, but here,
we gets it first and he points

1240
01:14:41,200 --> 01:14:45,500
it at Joel.
When Joel tries to go and stop

1241
01:14:45,500 --> 01:14:50,300
Sam, he shoots the gun at Joe's
feet, so the Joel can't move.

1242
01:14:50,500 --> 01:14:53,200
And then I guess when he turns
around and he looks at the

1243
01:14:53,200 --> 01:14:58,100
situation and he hears Ellie
screaming He real is like, at

1244
01:14:58,100 --> 01:15:00,800
that point, it clicked in his
mind that that's not my brother

1245
01:15:01,200 --> 01:15:03,900
and he shoots him and kills
them.

1246
01:15:04,300 --> 01:15:07,600
And then it's like at that same
moment that's when it clicked in

1247
01:15:07,608 --> 01:15:09,900
his mind again.
Oh, that's my little brother.

1248
01:15:10,500 --> 01:15:12,900
You know what I'm saying?
Because you can see the horror

1249
01:15:12,900 --> 01:15:16,000
on his face and this one of
those where it's kind of like, I

1250
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:18,300
feel like he had so many
emotions, it was one of those

1251
01:15:18,300 --> 01:15:22,800
things like, oh my God, he got,
he got bit, he got infected, oh

1252
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:26,700
my God, I just shot my brother
and then I think, I think the

1253
01:15:26,700 --> 01:15:31,700
thing that probably really got
to him, not only thinking about,

1254
01:15:31,700 --> 01:15:37,800
I just had to kill my brother
but it was I did all of this for

1255
01:15:37,800 --> 01:15:39,200
nothing.
He ended up dying.

1256
01:15:39,200 --> 01:15:43,700
Anyway, just like Kathleen said,
you know, like I gave up a good

1257
01:15:43,700 --> 01:15:47,100
man.
I all these people, die Kathleen

1258
01:15:47,100 --> 01:15:49,500
is dead.
Her soldiers are there all of

1259
01:15:49,500 --> 01:15:53,000
these people died for me to keep
him safe.

1260
01:15:54,200 --> 01:15:57,600
And he still ended up dead
anyway and I think in that

1261
01:15:57,600 --> 01:16:00,500
moment Henry felt a lot of
guilt.

1262
01:16:01,900 --> 01:16:05,400
He probably felt a lot of Shame
and he probably felt like

1263
01:16:05,500 --> 01:16:08,700
hopeless because at that point
you've been doing everything to

1264
01:16:08,700 --> 01:16:13,600
protect your brother and now
he's gone in the worst possible

1265
01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:17,900
way in like if there is any
indicator that you as failed as

1266
01:16:17,900 --> 01:16:21,400
a protector it's what's laying
on the floor in front of you

1267
01:16:21,400 --> 01:16:24,200
now.
The see this is where Kate was

1268
01:16:24,200 --> 01:16:27,300
telling you kept caged.
Kathleen was telling him you

1269
01:16:27,300 --> 01:16:31,100
can't play with faith.
You know, this is what happens

1270
01:16:31,100 --> 01:16:33,800
when you play with faith.
And this Tobacco For a Moment,

1271
01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:37,100
Michelle pointing this out.
To me were watching you like he

1272
01:16:37,100 --> 01:16:39,200
didn't hear a lie because he's
deaf.

1273
01:16:39,700 --> 01:16:44,600
So she's saying she's speaking
to him and Sam can't hear her.

1274
01:16:45,200 --> 01:16:47,400
He doesn't even know that she's
there.

1275
01:16:47,800 --> 01:16:51,000
I'm tool she touches him.
Oh yeah, you're right.

1276
01:16:51,500 --> 01:16:53,400
Yeah.
The way you turn in fact because

1277
01:16:53,400 --> 01:16:57,600
he he yeah, he's deaf.
Yeah, I didn't think about that.

1278
01:16:57,700 --> 01:17:04,100
So it's possible that maybe he
he turned away from her so maybe

1279
01:17:04,100 --> 01:17:10,600
he was caused cogs and cognizant
about this enough to know that

1280
01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:14,000
if I'm if if I can't see her,
I'm not going to attack her.

1281
01:17:15,300 --> 01:17:20,000
Yeah, so anyway, I look at Henry
all that.

1282
01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:26,000
What Hannah Cole said Plus He
has never killed anybody, right?

1283
01:17:26,100 --> 01:17:38,800
And the first person we feel, is
your I tell you I was trying not

1284
01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:44,900
to cry.
I think the thing that really

1285
01:17:44,900 --> 01:17:49,100
got me like the same thing like
I said, it's up to a point.

1286
01:17:49,100 --> 01:17:55,200
I started expecting it.
But I didn't expect Henry until

1287
01:17:55,200 --> 01:17:57,700
I started seeing the way he was
looking at Joe, when Joe was

1288
01:17:57,700 --> 01:18:00,700
trying to get the gun from him.
I was like oh when he's looking

1289
01:18:00,700 --> 01:18:02,300
he was like, what did I do?
What did I do?

1290
01:18:02,300 --> 01:18:05,400
I said he about to shoot himself
and that's exactly what he did.

1291
01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:10,100
And it was just oh that tore my
heart out.

1292
01:18:10,100 --> 01:18:12,800
I was like I knew they were
going to be around longer than

1293
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:19,900
episode but still is like he
didn't have to go down like this

1294
01:18:19,900 --> 01:18:24,900
man.
I gotta give it to her Henry

1295
01:18:24,900 --> 01:18:28,300
because his facial expressions
after he shot Sam.

1296
01:18:28,500 --> 01:18:32,000
When he was like processing,
everything was just like in Peg.

1297
01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:35,800
Like he, he nailed like you, he
really didn't have to say

1298
01:18:35,800 --> 01:18:38,100
anything.
You can see literally in his

1299
01:18:38,100 --> 01:18:41,600
face like him, his face said
everything that needed to be

1300
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:44,500
said, it's like, even when Joel
was like, give me the gun.

1301
01:18:44,500 --> 01:18:47,300
Come on, give me the gun.
He's like, what about you?

1302
01:18:47,300 --> 01:18:49,800
You just see like, his face was
just like, pleading, like,

1303
01:18:50,200 --> 01:18:51,700
please tell me I did do this,
too.

1304
01:18:52,200 --> 01:18:54,200
I didn't tell my tell me this is
my fault.

1305
01:18:54,200 --> 01:18:56,300
Tell me.
I didn't just like in this like

1306
01:18:56,300 --> 01:18:59,200
he couldn't find the answer.
You can see that he was he was

1307
01:18:59,200 --> 01:19:03,000
desperately trying to find an
answer to what happened and to

1308
01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:05,200
what he did.
But he wasn't finding anything

1309
01:19:05,200 --> 01:19:08,800
and it's just like that feeling
of hopelessness like right at

1310
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:11,400
the end when he was like looking
his kind of looking down, he

1311
01:19:11,400 --> 01:19:15,400
just went because you see all
this like the blood running and

1312
01:19:15,400 --> 01:19:18,800
that's what the camera is
focusing on the good running

1313
01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:24,300
down.
The It was really good job at

1314
01:19:24,300 --> 01:19:28,100
8:00 these little tip.
I mean, this is going to really

1315
01:19:28,100 --> 01:19:29,900
hurt them.
Come, come Awards time.

1316
01:19:29,900 --> 01:19:33,400
Because like, who do you give
supporting actor to we just like

1317
01:19:33,500 --> 01:19:38,600
I mean the point is like you
give it to Nick, you give it to

1318
01:19:38,800 --> 01:19:42,500
you, give it to Bill of Frank
and give it to what's-her-name

1319
01:19:42,500 --> 01:19:48,600
who played test, you give it to
either one of these two like Who

1320
01:19:48,600 --> 01:19:52,900
do you give it to like for real?
That's like this is I mean these

1321
01:19:52,900 --> 01:19:56,000
performances are crazy like
really fucking good.

1322
01:19:59,100 --> 01:20:02,600
What it's like.
Okay, we're going to episode 6

1323
01:20:02,600 --> 01:20:03,600
now.
So there are three more

1324
01:20:03,600 --> 01:20:05,500
episodes.
Like, who else are we about to

1325
01:20:05,500 --> 01:20:06,500
me?
Oh wait.

1326
01:20:07,300 --> 01:20:09,800
We have below to hold on.
The, we can't, we can't skip

1327
01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:13,300
over after they buried him and
it's like, she takes his little

1328
01:20:13,300 --> 01:20:15,100
boy.
Shout out to them bringing back.

1329
01:20:15,100 --> 01:20:17,200
The little, that little pool.
Think that he used to

1330
01:20:17,208 --> 01:20:20,400
communicate because I had like a
ton of those as a kid.

1331
01:20:20,500 --> 01:20:25,400
Oh my God.
I had when I had two of those is

1332
01:20:25,400 --> 01:20:28,900
fucking awesome but it's like
when she wrote, I'm sorry I put

1333
01:20:28,900 --> 01:20:31,700
it down and she just started
walking like, she's so fucking

1334
01:20:31,700 --> 01:20:35,300
numb now.
It's like, yeah, that was the

1335
01:20:35,300 --> 01:20:37,800
sad part of the episode 2.
Yeah.

1336
01:20:37,800 --> 01:20:40,700
Because you just start walking.
She was like, come on, because

1337
01:20:40,700 --> 01:20:43,200
she, like, she's actually kind
of took she kind of turned into

1338
01:20:43,200 --> 01:20:45,800
Joel.
Yeah, she turned kind of turned

1339
01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:47,700
into Joel and assemble it at the
end.

1340
01:20:47,700 --> 01:20:52,800
I was like, I feel so bad.
It's really hard to see when

1341
01:20:52,900 --> 01:20:56,600
When kids lose hope, right
there.

1342
01:20:56,600 --> 01:21:00,600
Our last group that has the hope
when everyone else is Hope is

1343
01:21:00,600 --> 01:21:04,700
gone.
And to see that gone, that's

1344
01:21:04,700 --> 01:21:07,500
horrible.
I think the the really

1345
01:21:07,800 --> 01:21:13,600
heartbreaking thing for me with
LA to is that she really, really

1346
01:21:13,600 --> 01:21:17,000
truly in her thought heart got
that she was going to be able to

1347
01:21:17,000 --> 01:21:21,200
say sam, you know, it's like
from the beginning Marlene tells

1348
01:21:21,300 --> 01:21:24,500
her, you know, You're something
special about you.

1349
01:21:24,500 --> 01:21:27,900
You've been bitten like not once
she's been bitten twice since

1350
01:21:27,900 --> 01:21:32,300
we've met her, you know, and she
hasn't turned, she hasn't had

1351
01:21:32,300 --> 01:21:36,700
any symptoms and she really is
believing this thing about old,

1352
01:21:36,700 --> 01:21:40,900
her blood is the key.
So, in her young mind, why

1353
01:21:40,900 --> 01:21:44,200
wouldn't that work?
Like, instead of diluting and

1354
01:21:44,200 --> 01:21:45,800
doing whatever it is that you're
doing?

1355
01:21:45,800 --> 01:21:50,700
Hey, here's the source, take it
and for her to realize that

1356
01:21:50,700 --> 01:21:53,100
that's not the case.
You know, that has to Like you

1357
01:21:53,100 --> 01:21:55,000
said Michelle?
She has no hope now.

1358
01:21:55,000 --> 01:21:57,200
She's like, why are we even
doing this?

1359
01:21:59,200 --> 01:22:02,500
That poor child?
I just uh, I swear to God.

1360
01:22:04,300 --> 01:22:10,600
Like she took to Sam so quickly,
like she really became a big

1361
01:22:10,600 --> 01:22:15,100
sister to him.
And she, she really needed that

1362
01:22:15,200 --> 01:22:17,900
and now that's gone and it's
just like you said.

1363
01:22:18,100 --> 01:22:20,900
I feel like she's gonna probably
be like Joel because she's gonna

1364
01:22:20,900 --> 01:22:24,500
be like yeah I don't need to
know nothing else.

1365
01:22:24,500 --> 01:22:29,000
Like I met test started bonding
with her she's gone she didn't

1366
01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:32,600
she didn't get to meet Billy
Frank but she knew enough about

1367
01:22:32,600 --> 01:22:36,000
them to where she's like oh
okay.

1368
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:39,300
Well they were supposed to be
great and help us out and now

1369
01:22:39,300 --> 01:22:42,200
they're gone and now you got Sam
gone and Henry's gone.

1370
01:22:42,400 --> 01:22:49,400
Just a baby.
Stew for us.

1371
01:22:49,500 --> 01:22:52,900
Having a having a go through
these heart, breaks every week.

1372
01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:56,000
Just my who were going to meet
next week.

1373
01:22:56,000 --> 01:22:58,900
That's going to die.
I don't know.

1374
01:22:58,900 --> 01:23:00,500
You either.
Get back to meet her brother.

1375
01:23:00,500 --> 01:23:02,800
I'm like, oh shit.
Yes he come.

1376
01:23:03,100 --> 01:23:05,600
Yeah, we're supposed to see
Tommy again next week.

1377
01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:09,600
So I'm just, I don't know how I
feel about that because I'm like

1378
01:23:09,600 --> 01:23:13,400
if it gets if it's one of those
things where Tommy and Joel are

1379
01:23:13,400 --> 01:23:17,400
going to be going at each other,
I'm not sure I want to see that.

1380
01:23:18,900 --> 01:23:25,200
I don't well.
Yeah, I mean, I think most of us

1381
01:23:25,200 --> 01:23:27,400
have heard.
I've heard how this kind of

1382
01:23:27,400 --> 01:23:31,800
turns out in the game so it's
like I haven't, I spit, I have

1383
01:23:31,800 --> 01:23:37,100
speculations, but I'm not gonna
say them cuz I'm, yeah, I just I

1384
01:23:37,100 --> 01:23:41,300
kind of want to see how this
unfolds because like I do too,

1385
01:23:43,300 --> 01:23:45,100
most of us are not familiar with
the game.

1386
01:23:45,100 --> 01:23:47,300
So I don't know, a lot of the
story, I do know that they have

1387
01:23:47,300 --> 01:23:51,400
taken some deviations and
they've added some things like

1388
01:23:51,600 --> 01:23:53,800
Going to say Kathleen is not in
the game.

1389
01:23:53,800 --> 01:23:57,300
So the fact that they added her
in there and kind of created a

1390
01:23:57,300 --> 01:24:00,000
little bit more background or a
little more, you know,

1391
01:24:00,900 --> 01:24:03,500
Exposition for the story.
I love it.

1392
01:24:03,600 --> 01:24:06,000
So I really don't want to know
what happens.

1393
01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:09,300
But of course, I feel like
because they've kind of

1394
01:24:09,300 --> 01:24:13,700
introduced this conflict between
Joel and Tommy, you know?

1395
01:24:13,800 --> 01:24:16,600
And they're kind of a strange
now even though, yes, they're

1396
01:24:16,600 --> 01:24:18,300
going to be glad to see each
other.

1397
01:24:20,200 --> 01:24:22,600
Under what circumstances are
they going to see each other?

1398
01:24:22,600 --> 01:24:26,900
Like obviously Tommy has found
himself with another group and

1399
01:24:27,500 --> 01:24:30,800
we just don't know how that's
gonna go.

1400
01:24:32,500 --> 01:24:36,900
So I don't know.
I don't want to be reintroduced

1401
01:24:36,900 --> 01:24:40,100
to Tommy just lose them in the
same episode or lose them in the

1402
01:24:40,100 --> 01:24:42,100
next episode.
So I really hope that's not

1403
01:24:42,100 --> 01:24:45,500
where we're going.
But I like I don't even know for

1404
01:24:45,500 --> 01:24:48,100
the second game.
I don't even know if Joel Joel

1405
01:24:48,100 --> 01:24:50,100
and Ellie are alive for the The
second game.

1406
01:24:50,100 --> 01:24:54,100
Like that's how much I've stayed
away from any game news because

1407
01:24:54,100 --> 01:24:57,000
I am like I don't play the game
anyway, I don't want to, I don't

1408
01:24:57,000 --> 01:24:59,800
want to be spoiled.
I just want to see what they're

1409
01:24:59,800 --> 01:25:05,200
going to do with this show, but
I'm very stressed and worried,

1410
01:25:06,800 --> 01:25:12,400
But yeah, it's gonna be okay.
I think maybe we just have to

1411
01:25:12,400 --> 01:25:16,700
remember the title.
The Last of Us.

1412
01:25:24,700 --> 01:25:33,100
So shout out to shout out to
Adam basil.

1413
01:25:33,100 --> 01:25:35,000
He's the dude that played the
bloater.

1414
01:25:36,500 --> 01:25:41,600
He's like 66 and some ridiculous
amount of weight and it's like

1415
01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:46,400
he he's been in venom.
He was In the, when the

1416
01:25:46,400 --> 01:25:50,800
live-action Beauty and the
Beast, and he's been a dick to

1417
01:25:50,800 --> 01:25:53,600
Venom's to saying here, but he
basically does, he's basically a

1418
01:25:53,600 --> 01:25:56,100
stuntman.
So he didn't need to have money.

1419
01:25:56,100 --> 01:25:58,900
He need have any lines or said
that the suit that he wore for

1420
01:25:58,900 --> 01:26:02,200
the bloater was like 80 pounds,
but his name's Adam basil.

1421
01:26:02,200 --> 01:26:05,200
I'll just wondered give him a
shout out because he did good.

1422
01:26:05,700 --> 01:26:12,700
Shout out to the guy that that
hit them and because I had to go

1423
01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:14,800
actually, one actually had to go
back and do.

1424
01:26:14,900 --> 01:26:19,300
To play Devil's, team added go
back and think about the scene

1425
01:26:19,300 --> 01:26:22,600
where she where Kathleen was
interrogating him and I was like

1426
01:26:22,600 --> 01:26:27,000
he really did like what they
said.

1427
01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:31,500
Like he did a really good job of
not giving in to her and telling

1428
01:26:31,500 --> 01:26:34,400
her where he was like.
What do you think if we think

1429
01:26:34,400 --> 01:26:35,900
about?
Yeah, we go back and think about

1430
01:26:35,900 --> 01:26:37,600
that scene.
I was like shit.

1431
01:26:37,800 --> 01:26:40,300
Okay.
Like he, he basically really

1432
01:26:40,300 --> 01:26:42,600
held it down.
Yeah, I guess because he brought

1433
01:26:42,600 --> 01:26:45,700
the person who ratted him out,
I'm out.

1434
01:26:45,700 --> 01:26:50,100
She was like, He's won.
She was like, well, he did a

1435
01:26:50,100 --> 01:26:52,600
hell of a lot better job of
keeping it quiet.

1436
01:26:52,600 --> 01:26:56,600
Then you guys did because she,
you know, again, that's somebody

1437
01:26:56,600 --> 01:26:59,700
that she's known all her life,
someone that she trusted.

1438
01:27:00,500 --> 01:27:05,800
So she was like, yeah, which
probably also contributed to

1439
01:27:05,800 --> 01:27:09,300
her, her her Vendetta against
Henry.

1440
01:27:09,300 --> 01:27:12,200
Because this is somebody that
she knew somebody that she

1441
01:27:12,200 --> 01:27:15,400
trusts clothes.
And this is somebody, she never

1442
01:27:15,400 --> 01:27:19,500
did Kill and then then you know,
she probably blame that on Henry

1443
01:27:19,500 --> 01:27:23,600
to like oh because of you you
know he was helping you, I had

1444
01:27:23,600 --> 01:27:28,300
to kill him so she probably
blames that on him too and I

1445
01:27:28,300 --> 01:27:31,700
want to give a shout-out to the
collaborators meeting because

1446
01:27:31,700 --> 01:27:35,600
they meet they all know each
other like yeah, meeting rooms

1447
01:27:35,600 --> 01:27:40,400
that I gave up such I gave up
such and such This is where we

1448
01:27:40,400 --> 01:27:43,800
don't hide this Cuban people.
That's the game that the federal

1449
01:27:43,800 --> 01:27:46,500
would play.
Oh well, you know, synthesis

1450
01:27:46,500 --> 01:27:50,300
told this, this is Alia.
Give us something else.

1451
01:27:50,500 --> 01:27:54,000
Their baby, they played, they
kind of knew who was who Ripley

1452
01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:58,300
you tell me?
But I mean, if you think about

1453
01:27:58,300 --> 01:28:01,600
it, maybe they didn't know each
other but Federal probably kept

1454
01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:04,500
records.
And of course, once the

1455
01:28:04,500 --> 01:28:07,300
revolutionaries took over
feathers, they probably had

1456
01:28:07,300 --> 01:28:09,500
access to all of that stuff.
Like Oh, okay.

1457
01:28:09,600 --> 01:28:12,900
And then, of course, they were
also torturing all of the

1458
01:28:12,900 --> 01:28:15,500
federal soldiers and everything.
So they probably got some

1459
01:28:15,500 --> 01:28:18,300
information like, oh, so who
collaborated with you?

1460
01:28:18,300 --> 01:28:20,900
Oh, so who collaborated with
you, okay.

1461
01:28:20,900 --> 01:28:24,000
So let's go start, that that's
probably what happened.

1462
01:28:24,100 --> 01:28:28,700
I mean, or is it kind of easy
like 25 knives in his body?

1463
01:28:28,700 --> 01:28:31,900
I'm sure after the first three
or four, he probably gave a few

1464
01:28:31,900 --> 01:28:34,600
names up.
And also, it's kind of easy.

1465
01:28:34,600 --> 01:28:37,100
Like, okay, Jim over there with
his wife.

1466
01:28:37,100 --> 01:28:39,000
Sarah Sarah is dying in the
next.

1467
01:28:39,100 --> 01:28:41,500
Week.
She looks healthy as a horse but

1468
01:28:41,500 --> 01:28:43,300
then the neighbor across the
street man pulled out they

1469
01:28:43,300 --> 01:28:44,900
house.
Yeah.

1470
01:28:45,100 --> 01:28:47,600
What was the other thing your
neighborhood as she was like?

1471
01:28:47,600 --> 01:28:51,300
So was it worth selling your
neighbors out for like medicine

1472
01:28:51,300 --> 01:28:54,300
and this and, and fucking
apples.

1473
01:28:54,300 --> 01:28:58,000
I was like, oh, so somebody
walking around with apple, she's

1474
01:28:58,000 --> 01:29:00,300
like exactly.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1475
01:29:00,400 --> 01:29:02,800
Now I think I can defend the
medication.

1476
01:29:02,800 --> 01:29:05,800
I can't defend the apples.
Well, the apples do with your

1477
01:29:05,800 --> 01:29:08,900
being and yeah, you're starving,
you know, children are safe.

1478
01:29:09,100 --> 01:29:12,100
Starving, you probably would,
you know what I'm saying?

1479
01:29:12,100 --> 01:29:15,000
So yeah.
I mean, think about medicine and

1480
01:29:15,000 --> 01:29:15,900
food?
Yeah.

1481
01:29:15,900 --> 01:29:18,800
Think about the rashes.
I mean they they went through

1482
01:29:18,800 --> 01:29:22,500
all those cans for 11 days and
they were just grateful for the

1483
01:29:22,500 --> 01:29:25,700
little scraps that Joel and
Ellie gave them, you know?

1484
01:29:25,700 --> 01:29:27,200
Yeah.
Because it was like, oh, we have

1485
01:29:27,200 --> 01:29:29,500
food now.
Yeah, your people are eating

1486
01:29:29,500 --> 01:29:41,400
that beef jerky, but yeah, yeah,
so I'm talking about like the

1487
01:29:41,400 --> 01:29:45,100
other people are eating, like,
beef jerky, pump crumb.

1488
01:29:45,100 --> 01:29:49,900
So fair, just like, who we see
that your child is malnourished?

1489
01:29:49,900 --> 01:29:52,000
Would you like a basket of
fruit?

1490
01:29:53,600 --> 01:30:00,200
I mean, apple a day and apple a
day keeps of stitches.

1491
01:30:00,200 --> 01:30:11,200
Okay, but also that I like how
they doing the fan service, but

1492
01:30:11,200 --> 01:30:14,400
I like how they just
incorporating the game and the

1493
01:30:14,400 --> 01:30:18,200
show, because if you go and
look, literally that last scene

1494
01:30:18,200 --> 01:30:22,700
in the hole, the motel was
exactly the cutscene, in the and

1495
01:30:22,700 --> 01:30:25,800
in the show there's a really
true it in a game is Art and

1496
01:30:25,800 --> 01:30:27,400
they are.
Yep.

1497
01:30:27,600 --> 01:30:31,300
And I so awesome.
I mentioned this in the chat but

1498
01:30:31,300 --> 01:30:34,300
what we're going to do.
Once we finish the regular

1499
01:30:34,300 --> 01:30:38,600
episode coverage, we Are
actually going to do a bonus

1500
01:30:38,600 --> 01:30:43,100
episode for the last of us.
We're going to have a few Gamers

1501
01:30:43,400 --> 01:30:45,200
who have played the game, come
on the show.

1502
01:30:45,200 --> 01:30:48,900
We're going to talk to them
about what they thought Carlos,

1503
01:30:48,900 --> 01:30:52,100
who was one of our longtime
loyal listeners.

1504
01:30:52,100 --> 01:30:54,800
He's been listening to the show
since the beginning.

1505
01:30:54,800 --> 01:30:57,000
He's also a co-worker of mine
and Anthony.

1506
01:30:57,300 --> 01:31:00,300
He's gonna be probably was he
was listening to the show in

1507
01:31:00,300 --> 01:31:05,700
your office before we actually
recorded the show, but he's

1508
01:31:05,700 --> 01:31:08,600
going to be one of the people
that We talked to because he's a

1509
01:31:08,600 --> 01:31:14,600
huge gamer and he is known for
hating pretty much all video

1510
01:31:14,600 --> 01:31:18,200
game adaptations because he said
all of them did it right?

1511
01:31:18,300 --> 01:31:21,400
And all of them.
After the first episode of this,

1512
01:31:21,600 --> 01:31:24,900
he walks into my office, he was
like this is how you fucking do

1513
01:31:24,900 --> 01:31:27,100
a video game adaptation.
I was like, yeah, we're going to

1514
01:31:27,100 --> 01:31:29,500
talk to you.
We're definitely going to talk

1515
01:31:29,500 --> 01:31:30,600
to you.
So we're going to do that

1516
01:31:30,600 --> 01:31:35,000
because I do want to see how it
holds up against the video game,

1517
01:31:35,000 --> 01:31:37,000
but I also want to see what it
is.

1518
01:31:37,100 --> 01:31:39,500
You know what they like or
dislike about the stuff that

1519
01:31:39,500 --> 01:31:43,100
they added or that they change.
So you know again, none of us

1520
01:31:43,100 --> 01:31:45,500
play the game.
Michelle has a little bit of

1521
01:31:45,508 --> 01:31:47,800
knowledge of him.
Anthony has a little bit of

1522
01:31:47,800 --> 01:31:50,500
knowledge because they have
family members who play it.

1523
01:31:50,500 --> 01:31:55,200
So we're going to end up doing
that sometime next month.

1524
01:31:55,200 --> 01:31:59,400
After the final episode airs.
When I got three episodes left,

1525
01:31:59,400 --> 01:32:01,100
y'all.
Yes.

1526
01:32:01,300 --> 01:32:05,900
But oh, I'm sorry.
The other thing is, for the next

1527
01:32:05,900 --> 01:32:11,700
episode Rutina Wesley, I'm so
fucking excited.

1528
01:32:12,100 --> 01:32:13,900
I'm so excited.
Y'all don't know who rutina

1529
01:32:13,900 --> 01:32:17,400
Wesley is first of all you need
to climb from up under the rock

1530
01:32:17,400 --> 01:32:21,900
that you're under.
But anyway she's Tara into True

1531
01:32:21,900 --> 01:32:25,700
Blood, she was jostling and The
Walking Dead.

1532
01:32:25,700 --> 01:32:28,700
Those are the shows I know her
from she's also like one of the

1533
01:32:28,700 --> 01:32:33,000
stars of Queen sugar.
So huge, huge Talent.

1534
01:32:33,000 --> 01:32:35,100
I'm so excited to see what she's
going to do in the show.

1535
01:32:35,100 --> 01:32:36,700
But anyway, I'm sorry, Mike, go
ahead.

1536
01:32:38,100 --> 01:32:39,300
I'm real quick.
I'm Melanie.

1537
01:32:39,500 --> 01:32:43,300
Melanie lynskey is husband is
John Ritter as a drummer, your

1538
01:32:43,300 --> 01:32:45,500
son, you know, the guy from
Three's Company.

1539
01:32:45,800 --> 01:32:50,400
I found that out when I was,
when I was looking her up after

1540
01:32:50,400 --> 01:32:54,500
the first episode Jason Ritter
is her husband Jason Ritter.

1541
01:32:54,500 --> 01:32:59,000
Yes, yeah, but um, because I was
like, no, that's the wrong j.

1542
01:32:59,000 --> 01:33:00,700
But yeah, Jason Ritter is her
husband.

1543
01:33:01,000 --> 01:33:04,800
But yeah, I looked that up, when
I saw it when I was, like I

1544
01:33:04,808 --> 01:33:07,400
said, I was looking.
I was like, I know her for But

1545
01:33:07,400 --> 01:33:09,400
it just wasn't clicking in my
brain.

1546
01:33:09,800 --> 01:33:13,700
And then when she did that
monologue in the bedroom, I was

1547
01:33:13,700 --> 01:33:18,000
like she had the baby in the
bar, like that was, I don't

1548
01:33:18,000 --> 01:33:19,600
know.
I don't remember how long ago

1549
01:33:19,600 --> 01:33:21,800
that movie was, but that's just
one of those.

1550
01:33:22,200 --> 01:33:24,700
One of those lines that you say
it out loud and you

1551
01:33:24,700 --> 01:33:28,000
automatically know what movie it
comes from and what seen it is.

1552
01:33:28,000 --> 01:33:30,000
So that's just one of those
things.

1553
01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:34,800
But anyway, Especial fuck you to
people who are talking about her

1554
01:33:34,800 --> 01:33:38,700
being too fat for the role.
Wait, All the muffins, kiss my

1555
01:33:38,700 --> 01:33:39,600
ass.
Yeah.

1556
01:33:39,600 --> 01:33:45,400
We're not even going it was such
a hate it.

1557
01:33:45,500 --> 01:33:47,400
I hate it.
When people do this shit, it's

1558
01:33:47,400 --> 01:33:50,500
like, why are you?
So concerned about is like, you

1559
01:33:50,500 --> 01:33:53,900
can't again just like we talked
about in episode episode 1

1560
01:33:53,900 --> 01:33:57,700
episode 2, you can't get
accurate adaptations for these

1561
01:33:57,700 --> 01:33:59,400
things.
Unless you have the actual

1562
01:33:59,400 --> 01:34:02,600
people playing the part, it
doesn't slide over about it

1563
01:34:02,600 --> 01:34:04,800
being accurate.
Why are you worried about

1564
01:34:04,800 --> 01:34:06,900
whether or not?
She exactly it really does.

1565
01:34:07,700 --> 01:34:10,900
He was made up.
I'm confused.

1566
01:34:11,200 --> 01:34:15,600
She would make up some dumbass
model said something about her.

1567
01:34:15,600 --> 01:34:19,400
Not looking like she was in an
apocalypse because she didn't

1568
01:34:19,400 --> 01:34:24,100
look like she was missing any
some some bullshit missed any

1569
01:34:24,100 --> 01:34:26,500
bills.
I was like bitch what?

1570
01:34:26,500 --> 01:34:32,300
Its first of all whatever that
look that just goes to show that

1571
01:34:32,300 --> 01:34:36,100
we could we could survive in a
zombie apocalypse and be just

1572
01:34:36,100 --> 01:34:36,900
fine.
So whatever.

1573
01:34:38,000 --> 01:34:40,900
Anyway correct.
What compute?

1574
01:34:41,000 --> 01:34:44,500
I'm still confused as if you
want to Route the everybody

1575
01:34:44,700 --> 01:34:48,500
everybody nobody should have no
lean muscle everybody.

1576
01:34:49,300 --> 01:34:52,200
Everybody close your phone.
If you don't go, that route

1577
01:34:52,200 --> 01:34:57,300
wants to it because she was like
I'm the person that was

1578
01:34:57,300 --> 01:35:02,100
responsible for taking down
fedra, like I don't have to look

1579
01:35:02,100 --> 01:35:04,600
a particular way for that.
I was like, yeah, that she was

1580
01:35:04,600 --> 01:35:06,600
the one that took down the
goddamn government.

1581
01:35:06,600 --> 01:35:08,400
Fuck you.
Yay.

1582
01:35:09,400 --> 01:35:14,400
Anyway, whatever.
But too bad that didn't, that

1583
01:35:14,400 --> 01:35:20,900
didn't help her with him to the
clickers but you know, it is

1584
01:35:20,900 --> 01:35:24,100
what it is.
Wow.

1585
01:35:25,800 --> 01:35:30,500
All thoughts on this
heartbreaking, episode of The

1586
01:35:30,500 --> 01:35:36,100
Last of Us, man, I'm good.
I just don't, I don't expect any

1587
01:35:36,100 --> 01:35:37,400
of them to have Happy Endings
anymore.

1588
01:35:37,400 --> 01:35:39,500
I'm just spectating like someone
get killed.

1589
01:35:39,500 --> 01:35:41,800
I'm like, I can't get
comfortable with anybody.

1590
01:35:41,800 --> 01:35:44,800
I'm just looking like, it's the
last

1591
01:35:56,200 --> 01:35:59,900
I'm still gonna be like hmm.
Okay, so next episode, you going

1592
01:35:59,900 --> 01:36:01,600
to die.
I mean, because we said it about

1593
01:36:01,600 --> 01:36:03,800
Kathleen's character.
We would like what was it?

1594
01:36:03,800 --> 01:36:05,600
You said might.
He was like, yeah, she's

1595
01:36:05,600 --> 01:36:09,700
probably a two-episode Arc.
Yeah, definitely grand opening

1596
01:36:09,700 --> 01:36:11,800
Grand closing you gonna be here
that long, don't get

1597
01:36:11,800 --> 01:36:15,500
comfortable, don't you sit down?
Just keep walking that way and

1598
01:36:15,500 --> 01:36:18,500
then yeah, we'll take care of
you with a gun pointed.

1599
01:36:18,500 --> 01:36:19,700
That's why I'm, that's why I'm
worried about him.

1600
01:36:19,700 --> 01:36:24,300
Worry about Tommy.
I'm like because we said the

1601
01:36:24,300 --> 01:36:26,400
same thing about went because
tests seem like a character

1602
01:36:26,400 --> 01:36:28,600
where they will be like we can't
get rid of her.

1603
01:36:29,100 --> 01:36:36,200
So it's like, I'm like, hmm.
I don't know coming.

1604
01:36:36,200 --> 01:36:37,900
We started with the first
episode.

1605
01:36:37,900 --> 01:36:43,600
So thanks right with every
episode, just like you, we lose

1606
01:36:43,600 --> 01:36:48,300
somebody like me, could be
anyone, anybody can get it.

1607
01:36:49,900 --> 01:36:52,000
Oh yeah.
Yeah, I guess we'll see you guys

1608
01:36:52,000 --> 01:36:55,200
know some guys, what time it.
Go in the next episode, but,

1609
01:36:55,500 --> 01:36:58,300
before we go, I'm just gonna put
this reminder out there.

1610
01:36:58,300 --> 01:37:02,600
Again, members of the fan of
hybrid podcast, we will be

1611
01:37:02,600 --> 01:37:06,000
appearing at Atlanta comic
convention at the end of this

1612
01:37:06,000 --> 01:37:09,200
month, Michelle, Casey.
And I will be doing two Walking

1613
01:37:09,200 --> 01:37:13,100
Dead based panels Anthony and I
will be doing a father knows

1614
01:37:13,100 --> 01:37:16,300
worst panel.
So if you guys are in Atlanta,

1615
01:37:16,300 --> 01:37:20,100
February 24th to 26th, Come to
the World Congress Center and

1616
01:37:20,100 --> 01:37:22,200
hang out with us.
Come listen to us talk, some

1617
01:37:22,200 --> 01:37:25,000
geek stuff, and listen to come.
See some other things.

1618
01:37:25,000 --> 01:37:29,100
They've got lots of people
coming, like they've got like

1619
01:37:29,100 --> 01:37:33,200
100 people from The Walking Dead
coming and will maybe not quite

1620
01:37:33,200 --> 01:37:44,800
that many, but they I mean today
and Giancarlo Esposito is going

1621
01:37:44,800 --> 01:37:47,600
to be there.
They've got some voice actors

1622
01:37:47,600 --> 01:37:50,700
from like Dragon Balls.
See, and they've got all kinds

1623
01:37:50,700 --> 01:37:54,400
of people coming.
I went to Fantasmic last year,

1624
01:37:54,400 --> 01:38:00,100
which is part of what this Khan
has morphed into, and it was a

1625
01:38:00,100 --> 01:38:03,000
very fun experience.
So if you're looking for

1626
01:38:03,000 --> 01:38:06,900
something geeky to do at the end
of the month, come to the ATL

1627
01:38:06,900 --> 01:38:09,900
comic convention information is
on their website at

1628
01:38:09,900 --> 01:38:15,100
www.ato.gov.au calm.
We will post information about

1629
01:38:15,100 --> 01:38:18,300
our panels on our website
Phantom hybrid.com.

1630
01:38:18,600 --> 01:38:21,100
Calm.
But for now, that is it for our

1631
01:38:21,100 --> 01:38:22,900
show.
You can find us online at

1632
01:38:22,900 --> 01:38:27,000
www.haddadhyundai.com, we are on
social media on Facebook,

1633
01:38:27,000 --> 01:38:29,500
Instagram, and Twitter at
Phantom hybrid.

1634
01:38:29,500 --> 01:38:32,900
You can chat with us on our
Discord Channel, you can watch

1635
01:38:32,900 --> 01:38:35,900
us on our YouTube channel and
you can listen to us on all

1636
01:38:35,900 --> 01:38:37,800
major podcast streaming
platforms.

1637
01:38:37,900 --> 01:38:40,300
Thanks for listening, we hope
you join the conversation next

1638
01:38:40,300 --> 01:38:40,700
time.