Shadow and Bone S2E3 - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #226

0:25 What's up hybrids? Welcome back to another episode of The Phantom hybrid podcast. This is hanako and I am here with Anthony Lori and Mike and we are discussing episode 3 of Shadow and Bone season 2 in which we find out that Cass Brecker really is that motherfucker man. Listen. I mean just like this episode they spent a lot of time talking about finding weaknesses and it's like everybody found the those guys. Found especially Dugout the wrong weakness. Does he? That's the, he doesn't have him fighting with a cane. Is not a weakness. That is a decided strength. Let me tell you.

1:06 So, we've always known the Cavs was like the leader of the group and, you know, you never really see him get physical, you know? And I was just like, when he walked up in there, he was like, I'm not here for the cowers in the cabbages. I'm here for the killers people like Me. I was like what is he? And when they started coming after him and he started fighting I was like oh wait like I'm looking at his character in a totally new light. Now there's yours. What does some ass? He wasn't he wasn't messing around. He was Anthony you just look so stoic. Well I mean you do you know how heavy the hands of a Cane is?

1:48 It's it hurts man. First of all y'all, okay? First of all. Other than to do with the knife. How y'all gonna come him? He got a weapon if that's number one. I mean, I know he didn't have it that long but I'm just saying the first two or three guys are gonna get hurt. It's almost not to take away from his skill because if you think about it, he had nothing and he made it all the way up to owning his own club. Uh-huh. So he probably knocked a few hairs and he was probably somebody screw for a while he got where he was by being tough. Dave's. So you know, a to be really mess with him either, you know.

2:29 Yeah. But he really got there by being smart but it's like this shows that it was you know, as soon as they lock the door because after me, I want actually re-watched The Kingsmen Kingsman earlier and when they locked it was almost a reverse of the part where you said where he says manners lock maketh lock man. Lady turned around and they turn around and through and through the mud. Tug at hit. Dude, in the head. I was like, oh, it's almost the same thing, but it's like, as soon as Cass put that came out, instead put it down like this and just stood there, I've been like, no, no. So, you know, no good, no good is Gonna Come towards you after that, and then he has that smirk on his face like, yeah, I'm about to fuck all y'all up. As I do stare at the bar like, yeah, you know, there's a lot of coin on your head.

3:18 So, you know, I could just go ahead and use beat your ass and take it now. He's like, nope, right? I mean, any kind of he kind of warned us about it in the same before when he was talking to an ash because when she was asking him about his weaknesses, it was like the leg became people see that and they don't look for anything else, right? Yeah. They're so busy, looking at the fact that he's got a lip and that he has a quote unquote disability that they don't look at him and see any other strengths in him. Yeah cuz it's happening. It's time you wake up, you'll even in your own blood wondering how to heal you, how did I get here with it with the imprint imprint of a croquette, non them on your temple?

4:03 Like I was just like, I was so impressed when I saw that because he literally like for some. And and if you look at the majority of his fight, cannot move from the position, he was in, like, he literally turned around in the circle in the same. Spot and he was just yeah and he said his facial expression didn't really change. Either is like he's still he was still had like that. Little even even lip scowl on his face the whole time, even when he was getting hurt. He looked like he was experiencing pain. He was just like, why are you hitting me? I'm going to come here, ready to beat your ass. Why are you? Why do you insist on continuing to try me? And it's like they pcbs are by his ass and it's like he's a he lives looks looks at him at the Barnes like Now I'm taking your men.

4:53 I was going to be nice about it, but fuck you. Let me tell you the way he walked up to that, dude, because the guy was like what you just did? Hear that doesn't mean anything. He was like you know, you see you're still who you are. We're not going to do anything for you and Kaz walks up to him and he was like the price for this city is blood and I'll be happy to pay it in yours. The way that dude just went he does look down so slowly lie Like wow, you just really embarrassed me in my own house in front of my own people. And there is not shit, I can do about it. And when he turned around and he was like, who would you rather have standing at the door when the Lions come for you? He was like this or that because that other guy, I can't remember what his name was perhaps.

5:45 Yes. But for him to be a leader, all he did was sit there. Like I'm really Sitting here looking at that scene. Like how did he, how did he get control of all those badasses? Because he doesn't look like he can do squat. No. I mean he bait. I mean this is like he stood an outfit him is like he looked him dead in the eye was like as soon as he started talking about pain City in his blood he was just like no sir I don't want to I don't want this will carry writers or if you have is look straight down to the floor. I was like yeah then everyone else we turned around he team has heated even stepped down those two steps and they just everyone else kind of took two steps back like oh shit and stood at attention instead of attention.

6:31 I was like, okay so all right. Yeah and the title of episode is like calls to like yeah that's it for Killers like him. The fact the fact that none of them could like yeah they think I got an upper hand on him a little bit but it didn't last for long I was like okay. So there is more to Kaz Brecker than we have seen but that's the one thing I'm liking about this season is Because we're getting to see more of these characters that we know, and we're getting to see them in different ways like in Nash last season, in Nash barely wanted to fight because she didn't want, she didn't want to be put in a situation where she might possibly have to kill someone.

7:18 This thing's are also known as was like oh this dude said he gonna take me back to the Menagerie let me go kill his ass right quick. No hesitation no regret, no nothing and as went after that doggone Taxi. The dermis and she was like, oh so you thought you was about to get the upper hand on me. Yeah let me show you something. I was watching this whole episode like okay, so we really see what the crows are about between last episode with Jasper and seeing Kaz and an ashen, this episode was like There's a reason they have gotten. As far as they have, like all these different dimensions to them.

8:00 I'm loving it. And then again, like you said, with Kaz, you know, we knew he was smart, we know he's observant but even some of the things that we find out in this episode as far as how observant he is, the fact that he deduced that Pekka Rollins had a child because what he named the club, I was like I didn't even think about that, it just never crossed my mind, but again we don't really know, Pekka Rollins as well as cast us cast has had prior experience and we see a little bit more of that experience in his flashbacks in this episode, because his brother made a deal with Pekka way back when he was going to give him the proceeds from the sale of their father's farm. So that pet could invest it quote unquote invested for them and then give them the proceeds and mostly that was going to help them be rich and you can't really blame passes brother because he really thought that this was a legit opportunity for him to be able to take care of him and his brother for them not to be poor or just kind of like on the cusp of not being poor. He was really looking for an opportunity to help himself and his younger brother so that he could take care of them and Pekka Rollins screwed them over.

9:21 Because when they went back in, A week to go get their earnings. Ha had cleared out of the house. Did they show that her? I miss that. They showed it in the flashback. I missed it. Okay, I must have been looking down, all right. But yeah, because that was because as soon as that little girl said, it's all a game, I knew she was in on it too, and I knew I was like, oh so they are going to follow the books with that because that was let's face it. What? Well I know what happens next but that was the start of just Everything that was wrong with him and an old boy seriously. Yeah. And you know, so the fact that he was able to say, you know, I know that there's a boy there, he named his Club, the kalish Prince when he would never date himself. Other than a king was like, oh wow, that's actually kind of clever if you think about it and even more so that cat has really paid attention to it.

10:16 So it's like when just for told him and whining was like you promised you like keep that from him. This is the part. This is the person who leaves your group and regardless of the, I won't even say the errors. That cast is made. Yes, Casas made a couple of mistakes but I think that's just because he underestimated Pekka Rollins as well. But I think Pekka's going to learn to not underestimate cast as well because calves again in this episode went once he realizes The Albie is a thing and widen goes to him, he was like look, he has no control over who his father is you can't hurt him because it's like I'm gonna I'm gonna have to harm him but I do know how we're going to take him down.

11:06 When Wireless is how and that look, that cast gives him before he says suffering, I was like this, dude is about to be unhinged. He is about to go all in because the look on his face. The the look on his face. I've never seen cast look like that before. He looked like, Yeah, he was like, oh, okay, Pat Corrales wants to, you know, put put a bounty on me. Okay yeah let's show him what this mounties Casas about to fuck him up. Okay huh, he he is specially with this because I mean I think I mean cuz you gotta think about like this Pekka Pekka is really kind of is a big part of his origin story and he hasn't really messed with him too.

11:56 Tough. Like previously because he's had his stuff and Peck has had his stuff and they just kind of kept that shit separate he's like whatever. Yeah but your side I wouldn't be surprised if he has always been looking for angle probably I wouldn't doubt it. Yes yeah. Oh yeah definitely I think he's gonna get his revenge right. But I think he what he was doing was he was staying out of Pekka's way. Until he was ready to make his move. Because again, like like what it was revealed in the last episode, when his brother introduced him to pakka, he did use his correct first name. Now, Brecker is not cast his given name, but I would think that cats would be like, okay, just in case Pekka recognizes the name, remembers the name and then when Pekka confronts him in the last season and he looks at Pekka, he was like, have you and I met before?

12:50 And Pekka was like, no, we Haven't because if we did you would know better. That was when cast was like, okay, now's my time, I can just start planning this. And of course when he comes back to keter damn and now Pekka's the owner of his Club, that's when he was like, okay. You know what? Next time. It's time to jump this shit off, exactly. He attempted to his baby, the named it after his baby, so he's like, oh, that's how we're gonna play it. All right, bet. Mmm. But the other thing was, As we see in the beginning of the episode, you know, after after they all have reserved have met up at the cemetery. This is after the Ambush by Pekka's people. Of course, Jesper is pissed off because in a, she's been hurt, and he feels like Cass is just putting them in danger because of his blood Feud with Pekka which again, looking at the way that Jesper is, looking at him.

13:52 Him he doesn't know the full story, like he knows that there's something personal that Kaz has against pack of wheat. We heard that in last season but I don't think he knows the full details and I don't think anybody knows the full details until he says something to imagine this episode. But when they're sitting there talking and Nina comes out and she's talking about it Nash, you know, the the question was is an Azure okay? And she says well I'm not you know, by any means the best of healers but she will not be a permanent resident here and then just for says, not yet. While in comes in with this completely innocent anecdote about the cemetery and how they don't bury people there anymore because of the, what was it? Firefox, I think as pox because of the fire pox epidemic, that happened years back.

14:41 So many people died that they couldn't bury them. In the cemetery, they used to have to just put the bodies in C. And then we see a flashback, the same flashback we've been seeing king of Kaz on a, you know, on a barge of big bodies their bodies and he loses it and everybody's looking at him like what the fuck? And I was like, oh, okay, so this is the thing that's affecting him and then when you look at the other stuff that happens in this episode, especially with him in the Nash, you know, there are certain things that we've noticed about Casas. Demeanor his behavior over the first season and into the season.

15:27 That I think, once you start seeing this part of his backstory, you can start putting things together. The fact that Kaz is almost always fully covered except for his face, he always wears a hat, he always has gloves on. He always has long sleeves on a cloak, he keeps himself very cover. The fact that when in Nash takes her out, Outer shirt off to tend to her wounds on her arm. He looks away from her. And at first, I always thought that was just in deference to, you know, like respect. But know what you notice in this episode and in the episodes before kasim really does have an issue with flesh.

16:10 And I think if you, if you remember, I think there was a one of the flashbacks from last season. Not last season last episode when he woke up on that barge with the dead people. And was trying to get up, he's touching flesh. And I think that that is a, that is the trauma, you know, trigger for him. He doesn't like flesh. He's never like hand-to-hand, you've never seen him like voluntarily touch anyone. I think we mentioned that in the last episode. So you start seeing all of these things and putting these things together, and like I said, in the last episode Cass needs a therapist, he really does. It's much more than a phobia.

16:54 I mean there's a phobia and in there, there's actually a medical name for his condition. I forget what it is. I knew it last year. I am looking up here but it goes much deeper because it's something to the point where it's like his if Pekka ever found out. That that is his thing. Pekka could basically kill him by just putting him in a room with the whole bunch of bodies. He would literally just, you know, fade away from just sheer fear. Yeah, I mean, you see what happened in the first episode when Jasper got arrested and he was in, he was in the truck and the person just kept touching him. And you can see him starting to have this full blown panic attack.

17:40 So it's like if that person had touched him had touched his bare skin, how would he have reacted? I mean, just the fact that he when he goes over to an edge and starts trying to take care of her womb, when he reaches out his hand for the cloth, I don't know if you noticed, you can see his hand, trembling a little bit. Like this is something that is so foreign to him. But he's willing to do it for an ash. Like, even this whole thing when she tells him she was like look you are putting us in danger and I deserve to know why, that's the very least you can do. When he hesitates to answer, she turns her back to him.

18:25 In that moment, when he says Pekka Rollins killed my brother and she turns around and looks at him, I think she she understands what a huge step that is for him, because Kaz Brecker is not a man for sharing confidences. He's not mad to sit here a and give out his vulnerabilities. So the fact that he even trusted her with that much, you know, and she didn't make a big deal of it. She didn't say thank you for sharing me, what she was like, oh okay. Then then we destroy him. And the fact that I feel like just because of that response, he felt like okay, maybe I can get a little bit closer. Like he was really putting himself out there and I'm just I know she didn't do it on purpose but I was like Nina, you came in at the wrong time because what was about to happen.

19:14 If heart blocker, Oh, um, FYI. The overwhelming intense, overwhelming fear of being touched just called half a phobia. Mmm, that's what it was. Yes, aha phe. Pho Bia. Yeah, because I don't even know if it's just the fact that he doesn't want to be touched. Like, he can't even look at flesh. And I mean, if you think about well, considering what happens to in the book, she can't blame them. Ryan, Anthony your You didn't you literally think? Um, I think he wanted to, he wanted, he was not looking here because you wanted to touch her.

19:56 Like he probably had this overwhelming sense of wanting attention but he's is I don't think he's because it was a fear of Flesh. He would look at people like he just want to look at their faces because their faces flesh. So he probably had her Jour desire to touch her so he like Freaked her specifically. Yeah, I think it's I think it's a mix of both though you know. But um but I can understand it because of he has. If he has this reaction maybe he doesn't want to have the reaction that he has. We touches regular people when he touches her because he has such deep feelings for. He doesn't want to be. Like, if he touches her bare skin, he doesn't want to like, draw away and be an active repulsed by it.

20:39 He wants to actually get over whatever fear he has and be able to touch. Her without feeling reviled or to just be able to, to be close to her. Because again, if she doesn't know that he has that phobia or that fear, that she may interpret his reaction in a different way as well. I think she does though, I think she knows she if she pays close attention to him as he does to her. Hmm she knows mmm. Yeah. See I seen those right smart enough to realize what's going on. Yeah. So you may not know why. So I mean, I know exactly where it is but she knows that he doesn't like to touch people because that's why he wears gloves all the time. Hmm.

21:24 Should just bring those two. He's been with him long enough to know. He doesn't like to touch people. Mmm-hmm, I can't blame you if you if I was the only a live person on a barge, full of people did from something called fire Pops in just floating out in the middle of the sea. Like only one touch. Nobody either. I don't blame her at all. My best discussed that's nasty especially as a child have Going to go through that kind of trauma. Yeah. You know what they just basically they thought you were they thought you were dead too. So they threw you out with the rest of the body's just. Yeah. And how long was he very don't know how long he was there. Whatever. Yeah I don't think I ever said this is a Nila Nila could probably hear and feel their hearts beating. It's probably why she's like excuse me guys. You know you're having.

22:12 What is it called? They're having I6. They were Interrupted well, yeah, and I guess you would. She's probably like, yeah, I don't want to be a part of this, so let me make my presence known, but I believe the heart rendering. She can probably kind of ignore all the heartbeats, but if they get abnormally loud together. Subscribe LOL. OK. Be no, start speeding up a little bit too much for me, right? Oh my goodness. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Okay, hold on everybody. Yards knocks, you know, you don't like the people stopped before he got out of hand. Yeah, but the funny thing about all of this, you know, watching the series you notice how Casas facial expressions is, like, he's never his never smiled.

23:07 He's never given any kind of indication that he is happy and I have spent much of the last two weeks watching, All of the press Tour. All of the interviews that they have given about Shadow and Bone season 2 and Freddy Carter and not stop smiling in these interviews. It's no weird because you look at him when he's ready and he's like, smiling. He's like happy, he's making jokes, like he's really a very funny person. And then we Turley different than he is on the show. Yes. Because when you see him as Caz, it's kind of like we're like he Does such a good job? You would think this guy has no Joy about it.

23:49 If he, as good as record and I mean, he just does such an amazing job. But okay, we're going to move away from Kaz and the crows just for a moment, just for a moment because we do have to come back and talk about Jeff Burton way wildin, but we'll do that in a minute. So let's let's go talk to this. Go talk about Alina and the Grisha. And everything that's happening over there. So she has the scales from the sea whip, she is ready to go and try to get rid of the folks. She thinks she's strong enough. Is she feels strong enough and she thinks that she'll be ready for it.

24:32 Now when they get red, when they're sitting there discussing it Chim out and talking about going on their own and star mind is like no I want to be part of his life. Sure. I want to see it and they're like, okay well, you know, we're going to need Your help. We're going to need some some part system, whatever. He was like, nah man. Travel is so boring, you know, expression. When he undocks the hummingbird and they take to the air. That was so hilarious. Because you think she's this big bad saying she's a son Summoner. Okay, she is gathered enough like courage that she's like, oh, I have fought the darkling. What's gonna scare me being in the air apparently small. But Small boats decoupling from a bigger boat. That's what you said.

25:19 She was like, she was like her expression was the funniest thing and that was just like, Lena you really have to come see this. She was like no. No I don't. He's like yes. You do know though. Okay, so when I went I went to Key West, one time and I was on a schooner it's like it's just like a regular sailboat and it's like we were going on the key and this like it. It is the big boat and I was like, okay, I can't go that fast. This motherfucker was going at least 60, 70 miles an hour and it was leaning where if you're sitting on the bench like you're like the ocean and the key and the boat, like, the from the from the edge were like about that far from each other.

26:05 And I'm just like, I'm just like you. Okay? I'm like, hmm, I was just like her like that. Literally reminded me of that cuz I was glad I had the death grip. I was like, oh God, I'm not going to. I can't swim Can't swim that. Well, I can't sleep well enough like oh fuck. I'm dead. It was funny because Toya and Tamar were just looking at her amused and now of course, you know he's like you have to come look at this and he goes to grab her. Now I will say this, this does speak to Alina's Trust of now because she got up and went to that, lets, you know, Mal wasn't going to put her in a position where, you know, something was going to harm her, and her expression when she opens her eyes and she sees that they're in the air near fly.

26:45 Lying in this beautiful and she was like, oh my God, how is this? And I was like, that's just sounds so weird to me. Because we're used to seeing airplanes, like we've all been on airplanes, that's like nothing for us. But to think about a world where Air flight is not a thing. It's not a thing, you know, not even. And it's not even. I don't even think this is considered, like, I was going to said primitive world, not a primitive world but you know, this is modern time but to think About this being a world where air travel is not is not normal like Sturm Han, literally designed this aircraft and it's probably the first thing to be in the air with people on it was like, oh, that's just kind of in. She kind of has like, Kelly's reaction. When she saw airplane, in The Last of Us who was like twenty one of those is like her sense of wonderment at all. Like I can't believe people.

27:41 We're actually able to get up in the air like that and it's like Yeah, I love Stormont response. He's like just like you just like you haven't even met me. Like course I course I could fly. It was like this dude, man. This dude, I am actually at this point, we don't really know who he is, but before we get to that part, so when they're in the fold Elena tries to get rid of the fold, she uses her powers and it looks like it's working for a moment. But what happens is? She starts having a flashback of what happened on the on the skiff with Kerrigan?

28:24 When Took control of her powers and I don't know if she actually wasn't strong enough or if it was just a mental thing. Because now at this point Kerrigan is in her head or she feels like here again is in her head and all she's remembering is when he was taking over her power. The last time she was trying to get rid of the fold and now she can't do it. She passes out the volcker. Come You have the twins. You I mean, you have the twins, you have Stern behind, you have them all, fighting for the volcker, I'm fighting the vulgar while they're trying to get out of the fold safely and they end up crash landing.

29:07 So they crash land. Luckily everybody is okay. Everybody survives and the RAF can army is coming up to the skiff because now they illegally entered rafta. So Stern Han is basically like I'll take care of this and he starts taking his stuff off. And when he takes his jacket off, he has on the uniform of the first Army and we find out that Sturm Han is actually Nikolai Lance off the Second Son of the king of rafter. He's the prince And I remember reading this, reveal in the book because in the book is a little bit different Sturm hunt in the book is kind of kind of disfigured in the face so you really can't recognize who he is. So it's like if anybody is familiar with who the prince is, which you would assume that people would know what their prints looks like, right?

30:10 So if that's the case. Yeah. Now I always look for the most part, you would assume that people will uncut know who their first family's. Nothing. That's a second with. The second one, they might do with the first one. Looks like another segment because you think about it, I mean, this is neither here nor there but the time period there in, it's not like they got television, you know, their preachers of drawings. So your average common person, probably didn't really know. It was special, you don't ever go to the capital and that coming around? Yeah. I don't know what they look like, especially, you know, the minor ones like him.

30:50 I'm just saying it's it's hard to assume then the wheels like, yeah. Because I even which Macaulay, even the, the journal was like, wait, that's you, you know, he also hasn't been seen in several years, right? According to them. So, but yeah, in the book he is kind of disfigured. And then when they make the reveal, Bill. I think what he does is he takes his, I guess it's kind of like a face mask or something. That's making him look extremely different, because when he takes it off, he looks like a completely different person. So it's not like just Elena and Mal finding out.

31:31 Oh, this guy is the prince, like in the book. He look like a totally different person, but, you know, we find out to say, he's the Prince. When Nikolai is, like, nobody recognizes him is like Like Kaz Kaz and just for didn't recognize him even when he gave him the strong, the strong profile, and it's like the his own General didn't recognize them as like as it does. You would think to do it would do, it would be terrible that to his ego. But no, it's still intact. Like I'm still exactly where it was when he because I think for him just like he was telling Elena when they were on the horses headed for his Sanctuary.

32:11 It in a way, it makes it easier. Her for him to do the things that he did, you know? Like, he totally and he was like, look, this makes it easy for me to help the people that I love. And when she looks at him, he doesn't say his family. He says, my people, the people in my war-torn ravished country. So he really is the Royal who cares about his people, who cares about his country and is really trying to do when needs to be done to save them. And that is one of the reasons why he was trying to get to Alima the sun Summoner. He even admits to her that, you know, he was the one who hired Chasm the crows to try to capture her in the first season. So the difference with Nikolai and the rest of his family you know we learned in the first season, his family is not really they're not really friendly towards Grisha like they are because they're the Royals and they have to put on that far that that face but they don't really like the Grisha. And what Nikolai finds out is that his brother Vasily is actually using the first Army to hunt down Grisha. And they are all.

33:27 The royal family is starting to take shelter in the spinning wheel which is where Nikolai has his labs and that's where he creates his, you know, his little hummingbirds and all the other things that he creates bad. See tells his General he was like oh well if they're heading there they're not going to like the fact that I gave that to the Grisha as a sanctuary. So they actually are headed there to kind of you know head the royal family. Also that there's not an immediate blood bath or whatever. The case may be once they get there through immediate reaction to finding out, you just don't really Keen. Oh yeah, you mother crack. You bastard was actually what she said, which is very funny.

34:10 I'll explain why in a future episode, but yeah, she punches him and what, what is it? He says my jaw is in good shape. Great, thank you for asking. She was like, you can just tell people that you were punched by invoke ra. Yeah, she looks. She was a little upset understandably. So, but like he said to her, he was like, look, I I had my identity to protect the people that I care about. I'm sure you understand when he says that she turns around and she licks it mouth, he's she was like, okay, okay, I can understand the whole hiding to protect. Yeah, okay I got it but um Yeah, so they get to the spinning wheel and the first person who comes out is a recast Nadia which threw me off just a little bit but I will say this. Yeah.

34:59 I like the new actress a lot in the road she really does. I think keep the keep the same energy that the previous actress did with Nadia. I like her. We get to see Nadia's brother. I know Mike was happy and Anthony was happy. He's loyal. You do is very bad. Hey girl, Zoya is back. She is there because her family know what could be risk did not survive the extension of the fold. So now she is come to, you know, offer her allyship to Alina which I will say this. I'm not sure how it's going to play out, but I like it so far because in the books, even when they have met back up together, they're still this kind of Like tug and pull as far as Zoya still kind of being not cordial to Elena and in this exchange when we see them you do see that there's still a little bit of that there, but zoya's demeanor is completely different, you know.

36:08 And she offers Alina advice you know, when the lien is like is this an apologist? She was like, you don't need hallowed apologies, you need an ally and that's what I'm offering to you. She was like, you're going to have to be able to defeat that I you're going to have to be able to do this. The you know, when Elena apologizes about her family she was like why you had nothing to do with that. That was Kerrigan. He was controlling you and he was making you feel like you needed him for such. You don't need that. You're the sun Summoner. Basically, like you're going to have to claim this power, you're going to have to claim you, no control over your narrative and I'm going to be here to help you do that. I was like, okay I can I can get with this you know it's not the oh I'm jealous of you.

36:57 So I'm going to be your, you know, I'm gonna always be sitting there pushing at you and and give me your heart. No, we don't have to like each other but I'm here to be your ally, I'm here to help you. Okay. I can like I can get with this version of Zoya. Yeah. But I like Zoe but I don't I don't know if I trust you yet. I'm going to see a little bit more from her. You know what? I would have thought the same and I did think the same in the book, I will say that because in the book I was like, I don't know. But the fact that the the darkling extended, the fold killed, your family knew that you had family in that City and still put you on that skiff anyway, in a position of command and you had a very first World experience to sing that city destroyed.

38:01 II. Don't question it, she's pissed and she has every right to be right. So I'm here for it, I has oil in a team up. Yes, Simon is like I'm here. Those two two really strong strong-willed. Women who don't take shit from anybody and it's like them together is definitely a plus. I think that it's like the way that they are the how strong they are mentally and Is can do nothing but, like, improve. This show is like, I wouldn't mind, I wouldn't mind seeing more them together. I would love one mind seeing like the three her Zoya and Nina, like only an azalea Nina more as a trio where they're just like really strong-willed like barely get it done, it's like girls.

38:56 Doesn't have to be dropped off a cliff to keep story going to soon. My bad. This is true. This is not too soon but yeah. So Nikolai is obviously going to be a big help. So that, you know, to Elena's fight going forward. Because at this point, they do realize that Kerrigan has survived or at least that they assume it because of the reports that they're getting about Greece's being freed from enslavement camps, 1st Army Camps, being decimated people being cut in half when Nikolai said that Elena was kind of like, I already know what this is, and I know we thought he was dead, but it has to be him because like she said, nobody else can do the cut. She's like bag or, but this is Kerrigan because she doesn't think back when would would do something like that. She wasn't. but um, you know, it's interesting because at this point Nikolai makes a suggestion or as he says, I have a proposal to make.

40:16 So you're going to need some allies because again as he tells her yes he was the one that sent Kaz and the crows after her. So really nobody was looking for her on that front but the feared and Bounty is very much real and They are offering money for her capture and in his eyes, he says, okay, I can offer you. The land soft name that will let anybody know that we are in Alliance with the Grisha that we are protecting the Grisha and it will give us a more unified front between Grisha and I cannot pronounce what they call the regular people.

40:58 Okay? I'm not even going to try it, the regular folk, okay, and so, Mal is like, Huh. So what do you mean by your name and Alina things actions like. So this is like a proposal proposal, not just the strategy proposed. And I mean, at least Nikolai, she was like, look, I know what you two mean to each other? This is, I'm not proposing a love match. We may not even make it to marriage, but at least an engagement will give us some time to let everyone know. Hey, we are. We are together. We are And to unify our people and then he leads them to talk about it. Now after this conversation, I was still sitting here like I don't understand why people hate Mao so much, especially when it comes to Elena.

41:53 Because literally this man just in front of you at least Nikolai didn't you know he didn't do this with Alina and push me out to the side and and discuss this with Elena. He was like, no I'm going to tell both of you because I know what you mean to each other. This is what I'm proposing. Yes, this is going to be a this is going to be an engagement. This is going to be a marriage. Y'all figured y'all talk it out. And now literally sits there and tells her this is your decision, I will support whatever you decide to do. If this is what's going to protect you, if it's what's going to save the Grisha, if it's what's going to help my friends who are in the 1st Army, Who had, who are only following orders. You know, the people who have fought next to me. If this is how we unify and how we save people, then we can do Do this.

42:48 If I have to sit to the side and watch this how okay, whatever, whatever is going to keep everybody, safe. Whatever is going to help this cause whatever is going to help you. Do what you need to do, he was like, you're living Saint. There's not much. I can offer you in the way of protection, but this can help. Granted, yes, she did. Say, you know, I'm not some Pawn. He was like, yeah, I get that. I'm surprised you didn't break his nose when he proposed it but this is your decision. I got your back, whatever you do. I still don't understand why people can't stand me out with her. Like this is literally a dude who is saying you have agency, this is your decision. But whatever you decide whether or not, I like it or not. I'm going to support you.

43:32 They probably just think he's a symptom. He's just like Going to be my whatever, whatever you I'll do, whatever you whatever you say. I don't like it, but you're you. And I'm me. So I'll just go along with it now. Da. And I'm like, I don't necessarily think he's a Sim. I just, I gotta be honest. I'm just, he just irks me for some reason and it's not and it's not because he's a simple. It's just because he, I feel like a lot of times he's just a device, he dead that a writer uses because you guys, Beat up all the time then he finds you didn't get speed up again. Then he finds you then it's like he's always like that person that kind of like is always like coming back battered better, but Brave and he saves the day and Alina gives him that old Story look in their eyes and it's like, Either, but I but I but what's the alternative you have a, you have a good-looking tough, powerful person who takes away a woman's agency, who controls her who only wants to be with her because of what she can provide for him. I mean I mean I get that I'm not something to saying that he liked again.

44:48 I'm not saying he's a simple, I'm just saying that. That's what people see when they see how he acts around her. And it's like, that's not really fair because before they before he even really have feelings for, they were, they were afraid they were tight as thieves. It's like they were, there were literally there for each other at every turn when someone when one of them needed something, the other one had it and vice versa. This is before she was even a son someone or so, this is like a deeper level of friendship than people really imagine. I think that people just see that as same as being a symbol. I just see it as the level of friendship that they've cultivated from knowing each other basically all there, A lot, if all of their all of their mental knowing lives, they've known each other and they're, I mean, that's what, that's what this relationship is. And people just don't really get it. And I guess that's the thing that bothers me, because before there was even a romantic relationship, they were best friends.

45:45 Right? And people were mad because they were like, one of the best teams. Like she was there the whole time and you, it took you forever to realize that You love turn, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Like you, I don't know, it's just one of those things where I feel like him as a character. He can't please people because first, y'all are mad because he wasn't looking at her in a romantic way. And now that he is, y'all are mad because he didn't do it soon enough or because you feel like it's taken away from her story. Or, I don't know, I just it just bothers me because like Mal is one of those characters who People don't really write characters like him, you know, when it comes to a male character, with a female character, who are best friends who do fall in love, and he allows her to be her own person without invoking his own me. Like, he doesn't, he doesn't have to be He doesn't have to validate her.

46:50 You get what I'm saying? Yeah, like she doesn't need him to be validated. She doesn't mean him to be powerful and I think that's one of the things about Lena's journey and the second season is because for so much of the first season Kerrigan gas-lit her, you know, to the point where he was like, yeah you know we can't do we have to do this together? Basically making her feel like it had to be the two of them against the world in order to take care of them. fold in order to you know, banish the fold in order to reunite Raska and she still kind of in that mindset where Everything that he is told her is still there to the point where she couldn't even do what she needed to do in the fold. I think if she hadn't have had that flashback, she probably could have destroyed the folder at least part of it enough for her to feel confident in herself. But now, she's kind of like, I can't do it. I'm not strong enough.

47:49 And I I just don't know. I just don't see the problem with. Having someone say you can do this on your own. You don't need me. You don't need anyone else. You can do this. I have faith in you. I know you can do it. I don't understand what the problem is. No, it's not a problem. It's just it's just how people see relationships these days. It's like they figured that if there's a man and a woman there has to be a romantic thing between them and it really doesn't just like they're their friends just like you didn't need Need the romantic thing was totally optional between the two of them because they already had a stronger Bond Than Physical love physical. Attraction is like they were they like I said they were they literally have a bond that they've cultivated through knowing each other most of their lives.

48:37 So it's like they didn't they don't need that kind of relationship is like because they already have a strong relationship. Yeah, I don't know II. Guess I do. Like the fact though that nick nickel I showed him that respect, you know, to be like, hey, okay so this is my plan and I'm telling both of you at the same time as opposed to going and telling the Lena and then leaving it for Elena to go. Tell now you know at least he had but I mean it's like you hear the one who want to risk pissing Alina off, he knew he knows that he's not dumb. He sees how Alina and mouth feel about each other. He's not going to risk. Ask a leading Alina by talking shit about by talking more shit about Mal.

49:20 Like, you know, he's already kind of dismissed him a couple times but he's actually come around and is actually giving him, more of more respect now than he was when he first got on his ship. So he's come around and knows that wherever and Lena goes now go. So that's not I mean that's not a big problem, it's like fine. Okay, cool, I'll give him the respect because she she he obviously has her respect, so I'm going to give him respect. So it has to be something there. Yeah. But we'll see what they're going to do. But I mean, at least Alina is aware now that you're getting is alive. And as we see with Kerrigan, he's back. And I believe, I do believe that house is the old house that they were in last season.

50:06 When we, when we looked at the darklings backstory, I believe that maybe the same house, it does look a bit worn down or it may just be another safe house that they had. Bad. But so what they're doing is again, they mentioned that Grisha who were being found are being brought their genja is outside. While new grease are coming in and she happens to see David. So David is safe and she goes up to him. And she was like, you have to leave, you have to go before he sees you. It isn't safe here. He's got these. He's got these shadow monsters and David grabs her and he was like sure because the darkling Was coming up behind them. So of course.

50:49 Now he seemed David he's telling David a little bit about the ninja. Yeah nature boys and, you know, just telling him about the symptoms that he's having when they come out and he wants David to figure it out and see how he can help him and he gives him orders over his journal. So, of course, David is in there. He's trying to figure this thing out. I think the other guys have been them, he's the other der ass that was working with Kerrigan while David was gone, but they, they're both working in the same room where bagra is being kept hostage and Kerrigan. At some point realizes that he, you know, they're going to have to go look for For the firebird or meaning Alina and my Lord Elena is going to have to look for the firebird because he gets a report about there, being a light show in the fold. So he's like, oh okay.

51:52 So Elena has the second and she does have the second amplifier. She tried to destroy the fold. She can't do it by herself. So what is she going to do if she's not going to come to me? Oh, she's gonna go look for the firebird. So it goes a bad girl to try to get information from bag. We're about to fire bird and bagra is like she's not here for you. She is not is not, she keeps, she keeps berating him, she keeps being condescending to him, You Stupid Boy. You know, you could have had her love if you weren't trying to control her and, you know, it's like, I really fucked up raising you, right?

52:33 That was going to say, that's the interesting thing, because when he goes in to talk to her, he was like, you know, at one point you and I were on the same page. We We wanted to create a better world for the Grisha. You taught me everything you knew. And what she said to him was, I taught you the best way that I knew how, but he also made the, the statement he was like what happened to the woman who were burned down villages to save her child and I was like, oh so yeah. Bagra probably was not mother. Well I won't say she was she's not mother of the year but because they're Grecian because of the type of Grisha they are who can create these shadow monsters or you know the Shad they control the Shadows.

53:19 They can both do the cut if people were coming after Alexander as a kid. I imagine that bag will was probably like you know, Molly Weasley. Not my son you bitch and she probably did Kill Some people trying to protect her child and if that was the way he was raised I can see why he might have some of the Issues. He has, you know, she's like no. He said I learned everything from you. Uh-huh. Yeah, but you, all right, I learned it by watching you.

54:00 He's here to restart what happened? He said you taught me. Everything you knew, or you know, what did he say, everything at your knee or something like that? Uh-huh. And also the thing about what happened to the woman, who would burn down villages, you told us that this was how we survive. Dived and she said, something like my perspective has changed over time. Yeah, meaning that whatever it was that she was doing whether she was killing the, the regular folk or killing people to save her child at some point. She realized this is not the way, but it was too late for him because he was already so deep into that. And then, I mean, even even in the last season, when we saw that flashback episode, you saw that there was an affection between them. He still cared about his There.

54:47 But she was also telling him you can't do this. You can't. You can't use more zoast. You can't. You can't be this person because it will corrupt. You, it'll make things different and he went against that anyway. And I feel like that's probably when that divide started happening. Because maybe at that point, she had already started changing her mind set about how they needed to move forward. But just like she tells him, she was like hundreds of years and You've literally put us back in the same place where we started. They're hunting the Grisha. Again, they're killing us indiscriminately. Just because we're Grisha and that was the whole thing that you know, they were trying to avoid but she refuses to tell him anything about the firebird and he sits here he was like okay so you're not going to tell me that's fine I only need one thing from you.

55:43 Anyway, he grabs a pair of scissors off of Davis desk, and David is just sitting there. Looking like, what is he about to do? He goes to the cage and grabs, bagra pulls her hand out, and he cuts off her pinky finger, and really because if you think about it, morozova, when he created amplifiers, he he used what he used his bones, he used his finger bones, And when he tells via them, he was like he was like, more is overused bought his bones to create a fires do something with this and he throws the pinky into a dish on the table. There damages looking at it like okay, whatever Dave if you look at his expression David was like this is not what the fuck I signed up for.

56:35 No, he would go using your we gotta go. Now he goes. The genius room. He was like he just cut off back off. Finger. We have to go. I think that's the most animated. I've seen David, because he was like, yeah, no, we have to go. We can't stay. We can't stay here for this. And Jenny has like, we have to warn Alina out because he tells her, he was like, oh also Elena is alive because she tried to destroy the fold and some people saw her and Jamie was like, we have to go find her and we have to go warn her about the, his shadow monsters. And David was like what we did to her was Unforgivable. Well, she was like, but we have to go warn her, at least. If, if we don't try, then we will feel worse. It'll be worse.

57:20 So at least, she's like, okay, but we gotta go find her, you go to the ruins, there's some ruins over here. I will find you and we'll Escape. No, I think, I don't remember if it was Anthony, or if it was Mike, somebody sent me something in a chat and they was like, why did you think she was just going to be able to get up and leave? Like he wasn't paying attention to her and, and okay, you leave when he sleep. Okay. Is obviously she doesn't have sneaking out the castle training. I'm just saying it was either one of these. Especially her, because she's the one that said, he specifically said he's keeping her close by because he needs her powers to help him heal.

58:11 I'll just created the scratch marks on him. So he needs her more than probably anyone else around there. So he, of course, he's going to be like, where the fuck is she right felt so bad. I mean, her face, just her face, and then you just hear the screams and I was like, Oh God, because she tried to, she tried to shoot him. Yeah. And the needs of oil was there and I was just like, you know, when he found her, you know, she's telling David to run and David is sitting there hiding and I know there's going to be people who talk about this whenever what happens in the next episode happens. Because when she was sitting there trying to Distract the darkling and when she was being attacked, David didn't do anything but I'm like what should he's gonna do it? He can't do anything, he will get the flashlight. Yeah, he's definitely not a fighter. You know, day.

59:12 And and David is one of those people where the way that he walks the way that he reacts and when he looks at things, he looks like he's scared of his own shadow. Shadow and I know, part of that probably has to do with whatever happened. The weeks they were on the road, you know, trying to survive trying to hide from 1st Army, whatever. Again he's not a fighter, he is there for his analytical mind. That's what makes him valuable to the darkling. So what would have happened if he had gotten caught, he wouldn't have been able to help jenya. He wouldn't be able to warn a Lina, maybe he won't be able to do anything.

59:56 But I just want to feel bad because, you know, he's probably going to feel some kind of guilt over whatever happens to jigna. We know, she's not dead because later on in the episode Kerrigan tells I can't remember I can't remember the girl's name, the second-in-command, the type, the type maker But you know, he says when she when she wakes up, we're going to show her to everyone else so they can see what happens when you're disloyal. I was like, I'm just waiting to see what that looks like. Because in the books supposedly like they disfigured genya to the point where she was unrecognizable. So I'm like, oh, how are they going to do this in the show? We're going.

1:00:46 To see that next episode, I think it'll be I be ironic if they make her face look like a jigsaw like jigsaw better face the jigsaw. They're gonna have to, I don't know, they're going to have to do something but yeah, so she doesn't make it out David. We see he runs because cure again, sends his Niche, avoids. Oh, you know to him, go find our mr. Costume Davis like nope. No, I'm getting the fuck on. So hopefully he has escaped hopefully they didn't catch him. But what we do find out, Is that when he ran, he took more has over his journal with him.

1:01:34 I was like, yeah, Kerrigan was a little bit pissed off about that, he's a lot. He was a lot, I have beef. Okay, so, when they're around towards the ruins, she/he David sees, sees jinyoung a genius, he's like, he's like, come on, come on, she runs out in the middle of the fucking path visible to Bye-bye machine, even give yourself a chance to get somewhere where she could hide. I'm like You just want me nest for her to hide unless she had gotten a little bit further up to, where David was and Kerrigan was on a horse. So she would not have been able to make that. Yeah, I just it just kind of irritated be like he came right out of the right out of the grass and Tall Grass.

1:02:20 It was like yo what you doing? I was like oh God, I'm surprised he didn't see David right there because he was like standing out be like come on, come on, come on then. It's like so Has he came out of Grassroots, like, oh shit, try to hide them. Like, I think the angle of the wall was probably a little bit different because here against voice carried before you actually saw him come around the corner because he was like, genius stand before me. You know, what is the meaning of this? And when she says to him, she was, he was like, you know I saved you from near death and this is how you repay me. And what she said to him was I should be your biggest shame.

1:03:04 Just let me go. And you know, it's so interesting because later on he was like, you know, I really had an affinity for her and I was like, dude, someone needs to teach you that the ones that you think are like the ways you think about women, how affectionate you are towards them or how much you care about them. The ways that you display that don't mat like suck something about giving a twelve-year-old. Tuvok the king for his sexual pleasure, that does not show an affinity towards a person. You sitting here being all heartbroken and everything about your little saints. Not loving you back.

1:03:50 The way you want her to love you because you try controlling her and you like somebody needs to teach him that his words and his actions don't match. I don't know, but I mean, what up, what Jen you said to him, that should have bothered him. I feel like if you really have an affinity for this person, the fact that she's telling you, I should be your biggest shame. Something about that should have bothered you, but you were, you were more upset about the fact that she tried to abandon you. All she wanted to do was just let me go.

1:04:31 Just let me go. You already see? I can't heal you. I can't do anything for you. Just let me go. He can't. Because she's Grisha. I'll grease of belonging to him again, the Hope. Yeah, I know. It's as simple as that. If you everything he does, is to protect the Greaser, everything he does is to make sure they're Okay. All right safe from the whatever regular people. Yeah but the other thing with with that is you know once he has his little temper tantrum about the journal being gone, he takes a look at his hand in that little that little piece of the Stags antler and he kind of sits there. He closes his eyes and he goes into that space where he and Elena can actually see each other. And I said, did I not say?

1:05:27 Just in the last episode where I was like, I hope he doesn't use that knowledge to be like all creepy and watch her while she sleeps and that's literally what happens. He appears in her bedroom even though again? I don't know if he think if he realizes that, this is actually what he's saying or if this is just a figment of his imagination but she's asleep. He goes over to her in the bed and he's just kind of like talking to her sleeping form about. Oh okay so you got the firebird. I mean you got you got the o.c. whip. You tried to destroy the follow. You can't do this without me. That's okay. I'm gonna sit here. I'm going to be patient, I'm awake for you and he takes his, you know, he licks his finger and he puts out the candle next to her bed and then she wakes up and she doesn't notice anything is amiss, but that's when she wakes up and she goes to nikolai's, Room, and she tells him that she's made decision.

1:06:22 Now, that's where the episode cut off. So I know that she's probably told him, okay? Yes, I'll accept your proposal so that's going to be a whole interesting thing, but This whole thing with the darkling and this connection with them is going to be a problem. It's gonna be a surprise. Come specially, what she realizes? That this is actually. Like she still doesn't know for sure. Well, okay, let me not say that. She knows that he is alive. Just because of the rumors that she's heard about what's been happening with the Grisha camps in the 1st Army Camps. But I think it's one thing to think that, but once she's confronted with the reality, whether that is she actually comes face-to-face with him or she realizes that these Vision.

1:07:13 She's having of him is real, that's gonna I don't know how she's going to take that, you know, because it's already bad enough that he's in her thoughts to the point where she can't do what she needed to do to get rid of the fold but now this person Is actually physically alive and and has a real physical connection, you know, and he was even trying to get David to figure that out and they was like, well, the bridge I built between you two that has never been, has never been done before. So I don't know what kind of residual effects it could have. Even though you have a piece of the, the bone in you still, we don't know what what can happen.

1:07:56 But you know, Dave is gone now. So he's not going to be able to figure that out anyway, right? But the other thing going back to the crows. Passes Jasper and wildin to Apple Brook, which is another town because supposedly Packer Rollins has a glass factory there. And Kaz knows that this can't be the case because there's no sand pits in that area. So when Jesper and Weiland get there they realize it's like a country estate. And of course they have to go in to see what the guards are guarding. And that's when they find out that Pekka Rollins has a son young son.

1:08:39 Looks like he might be about seven six or seven, who out of here. That look, it was his trouble. I know this little motherfucker is gonna be an issue, hey, what, but he wasn't an issue in the in the usual, it was so funny because they get caught being in the house, first by Albie, which is Pekka Rollins son, then by the Nanny and then the nanny calls, I guess one of the guards and while in is quick on his feet because Jasper Like he's about to shoot, I'm like, y'all don't need a shootout in this house. That's going to put everything. No, we don't need to do this.

1:09:22 So while in his like, he has all of his little tools just like yeah. So we're here to fix the piano because the piano very visibly has a key. That's not working properly. So they go over to the piano. They realize somebody has cut one of the wires and just for looks at album. He was like did you cut this and the nanny? She's so funny. She was like kind of accusation the child and Jasper's look like I know he's a child. That's why I'm asking him to pay. This is like hey yeah, yeah yeah. You guys can fix it right and why we don't have the pieces. So while in those over to the side, Jesper uses his dress powers and he repairs The Wire and then the little boy he's like yeah, I think it works and I'll be goes over. This is the computer.

1:10:27 He was like, let me try, he just starts. Just banging. I was like, if this kid is taken a lesson in his life, you can't tell it. He did just like nothing. He actually, I think, I think he kind of, kind of hear the E flat, minor chord. And one of those little poundings, it's like it kind of sounded like, Jill Scott. Like you liked it. No, no, he did. Not don't even lie. No. And then while they're trying to do something like this, and he plays a little piece on the piano, which Jack Wolf, the guy who actually, who plays violin, he actually did compose that little piece.

1:11:16 They asked him to, you know, compose something for the show, and that's what he did. So that was his little original Diddy. And as he's playing it Jesper is falling in love. You can just tell he's just looking at him laughs. Oh, shut up. Anthony think don't you be rolling your eyes, whatever you leave them alone. It was giving giving the little bit of Last of Us episode 3, like, will Frank and build a little bit. Yeah, yes, yes, give me the a little bit yes, but that's okay. Jesper is like, hmm. Okay, this is interesting and he finishes playing and he looks up at Jasper. He's like, ho, okay.

1:11:56 I was like, okay, so this is the beginning of the, this is the beginning of the beautiful stuff here, but yeah, so shut up man. Let love rule great Lenny Kravitz once said, let love rule, let them have that, right? But anyway, so like we said at the beginning, you have cast who now knows that Pekka has a son, I'm hoping has is not going to be as destructive. Active as to punish this little boy for being Pekka Rollins, son. But I have a feeling he's about to figure and whatever plan that passed that Cass has against Pekka. The only other thing that happened in this episode is that Kaz told Nina about the fights at Hell Gate. He was like look, there's what all the guards there are under Pekka's, you know, payroll, except for one or rather. There's one who is not as Loyal.

1:12:55 Because I have something on him that pack around that, he would not want that, he would not pay. Why can I not get this out? That he would not want pecker owners but no pick up. Pick up, pick up, pick up. So Nina goes to Hill gate, to try to talk to this, to this guard. But there's some fights about to happen and before the fights happened, when we see Mattias and Roommate. They're cleaning out cells because they do these fights where I think one person was fighting a bear. Was that this episode? Yeah, I think somebody was fighting a bear or something or and, you know, I'm gonna tie, you see some wolves that are being locked up and he makes it known. He was like, look, this is this is not what jail would want. And then that's when the guy was like oh hold up, your Drew skele.

1:13:50 Yeah, you might want to keep that to yourself buddy and right at that time, but Guards are looking for somebody else to fight. So of course they look at Mattias is big-ass size and they're like, oh we're going to put him in this so they put him in the ring to fight. He's in the ring with a countable. Now, we talked about this when we were talking about the last of us and Mike, actually, Google like what happens to people who are cannibals like if they if they and you know, ingest human flesh for long enough? I think this guy is what happens because his teeth were Sharp. Ears were unusually long. He just looked a little animalistic. Look right there. Look right at all.

1:14:33 So this is the person that they put Mattias in the cell with to do this fight. And Nina happens to be walking by and she realizes Mattias is in this cell. Now, here's my question. Now you see Mattias is in the cell. You see Pat Corrales has actually in the audience, and that's what the guard tells her when she finds. Some she was like, look I need I need you to get a message to, you know, the fuhrer, and then he was like, I can't do it now, they're about to fight. Hecka Rollins is here, find me after the fight but she sees that Mattias is in there fighting and she watches the fight and eventually Mattias, he is the Victor in this fight and when he's walking out, she tries to call his name and I think she calls lat five or six times. And then the last time he hears her, he turns and he looks at her And she smiles at him and then he just walks off. So I was like, I don't know if he saw her and thought that he was seeing things, or if he saw her, and thought she was there to look at the bikes, like, because he saw her, he sorry, I'm saying.

1:15:42 He's still in his mind thinks that she put them there on purpose, but it's like this, they should he can do. It's like, okay, he Caesars, like, oh, it's you. What's he going to do? He can't go over there. Give her a hug. He can't like, he can't go call or he can't. He can't do shit in jail. But that said, I still think there was something there. They're so, I mean, he probably did have to add more than anything. He probably had conflicting, he probably had conflicting feelings. But again, what was he gonna do? All of you.

1:16:22 He's going right back to his fucking sell. Like, he just beat somebody up. He's going back to his life. He can't go over there and be like, hey, how you doing, okay? Are you can't go to be like, fuck you? I don't want I want to talk to you. It's like he can't do none of that. He got to keep going or he's going to face consequences. Gotta kick his ass right back to Hell Gate. Do this? Get ugly. Yeah. If yeah and unfortunately her presence there has been noticed Now by Pekka Rollins. I mean cast her at the beginning he was like what you did tonight makes you a crow, you need to lay low so maybe love is not notice it, if a heart Runners, just walking walking along a cage lines, screaming out someone's name like what is my highest, but highest what's highest, highest?

1:17:06 Highest, highest highest really? Do anything? I mean you she was like pretty obvious about but she knew who she was trying to get this getting their attention. Like she will, I'll be I mean she's in the middle of a screaming crowd so she probably thought nobody was paying attention to her but I'm sure Pekka Rollins at some point noticed her down there on the floor and was like oh let me go handle this because again she just attacked him the night before. Now here's people Rob Thicke around question. Go ahead and pick this pig does is, didn't get to where he was by not paying attention to things that are out of the ordinary.

1:17:47 Oh yeah, I mean, he, he got to where he was by noticing, when things are off, because when things are off bad shit happens either someone tries to kill you or someone around, you gets killed, you have to pay attention. That's the reason that he got to where he is because he notices anomalies and anomalies are bad. There's no such thing as a good anomaly, as far as he's concerned, because that's something, Can get him away from where he is. So right, of course is going to notice. It's like, that's just that's just him. So I guess the question I have is Nina, if you are in there and you see what's going on with your man.

1:18:28 Why not use some of your heart rending Powers at least at least to do disable the cannibal a little bit because you guys move her hands. She stands out too much. And then people people, okay, people got money on that fight. Well yeah, okay yeah well dear problem. Yeah, right. They see they see her doing daughter. A little Thing they carpet under shit is like, ho hold the fuck up. I got I got I got a thousand, whatever the fuck this shit you over here doing your little Jutsu shitting on this my enemies but we're not going to not going to interfere in their fight. What does it matter now?

1:19:08 Because like I said I've seen her he finds her and he was like yeah. So it's just Whoa to say a heart-rending who knows a new Fighter by name and he was like yeah. So I would I would have assumed that you know, you might be one of those women who might want to do something in order to keep her man out of Harm's Way and she looks and she was like, what's your price? And he was like you Brink as record of me or else. I'll make sure that you're if you're earning his next fight is his last. The death. So Okay. Okay.

1:19:51 First of all, have you seen how big Mathias is? And he's a trained fighter. I would have blue a while because cock, why? Honestly, I'd be more concerned about Mathias. Killing whoever they put her in gives him. Well, you see avatars, the cannibals was beating him up and he was just like yeah, yeah whatever I'm sure she wasn't playing backwards. It means be his big ass. Big bread would ask when was he was like man. I ain't giant bat all this like whatever. Yeah but you saw what he did When he grabbed the guy he get down most people when they're fighting for their lives, they're desperate, they fight, you know, any type of way. Haymakers, whatever. What about those do but they just broke his leg, okay?

1:20:32 That's very deliberate act and that's thought. And that's hiring is not trying to be somebody's lunch. Exactly. Yeah. But it's acceptable. First you here seems like you know what? This might be for. This might be real. Like I think he was still getting over the shock of being in there. R-right. It was he kind of looked at it was like, okay, this, my face shit. Let me just put him down, right right. Which is, which is the leg breaking? Would you? Like I said, you know, so if Pekka roles would have said that to me, I probably would have been like, you know what? No, I'm gonna pass because I wouldn't be concerned about this bill to defend himself but you but I mean she doesn't know what else is going on in there.

1:21:13 Like okay, yeah, he got thrown in there too. For that fight she doesn't know what type of what type of. Of opponents. Are there? This is a place called Hell Gate. Yeah, yeah, arguably. It's probably holding the worst of the worst and Mattias. We see ya Mattias it. He was just skeleton. But even from when they were on the boat and she was Shackled, he was still trying to protect her. He was, he was making sure that she had food. He was, you know, when the people were upstairs being Rowdy, he came downstairs to make sure that no one would come down there and mess with the Grisha women. So he doesn't seem like he's that type of person. Where He's going to be amongst the worst of the worst, you know?

1:22:03 He's there simply because she was trying to save his life and she told them he was a flavor saver. Yeah. But He's not a violent person in that sense, not that we've seen. She doesn't know what other type of people are in there. What he will be put up against the like we said, somebody was fighting a bear so who knows what else they would have in there? So I can kind of understand her being like, okay, I'll make this deal. Just to make sure he's going to be safe. But again, We got it, we have to think that, I mean Nina used to work for the darkling she probably knows that Peck is full of shit.

1:22:51 Hmm. But right now she doesn't have any other choice because what else could they do? He could have done something to her if she didn't agree to that. Oh okay. Well you're not going to agree to that. Okay, well let's do this, let's do it. So I'm pretty sure that all that a heart, a heart under is pretty pretty hard to take out. Well right now, they have hurt they have her captive. And they've got two people holding her arm so there's not much she can do well, I mean she did kick that one guy in the breadbasket. So I mean you know I'm saying is she hurt her in this have two big weaknesses, they have to use their hands all Grisha after using hands behind renders have to have line of sight. Mr. Stroh just so yeah.

1:23:36 Those are those are two big weaknesses would go, right? So I guess we'll see how that's going to play. now that she has to bring Cass to Pekka, I don't know. Okay, so I guess the only other thing we really need to talk about is this fight between an edge and the taxidermist. Because I mentioned it earlier. Yeah, it really was. But like I said earlier in Nash, you see such a difference between her from last season and this season last season, she really didn't want to fight people because, you know, especially if there was a chance that she would have to kill somebody or hurt somebody because it was just kind of against her faith. And now, I'm not saying that that she's doing it. Willingly.

1:24:31 But after that last encounter, she was basically, like, I'm going to have to finish him or else. He's going to finish me or he's going to put me back in a menagerie and she was like I'm not going back to that is definitely much easier for I can stances. So, is way easier for her to kill people now than it was before. I don't know if I would say is easier. I just think she was in a point where she was like, okay, either, I get rid of him, or he's going to put me back in the Menagerie, and she has said, many times, she will not go back there. She will not go back there. Especially if you think about what Pekka Rollins said to Kaz about, oh yeah, I'm going to get her and To put her back in the Menagerie and I'm gonna lock her up in the cellar and know. And, and there's no telling what kind of depravities he would subject her to simply because she's a member of Casas crew. So you have to, I don't think it was easy for her. I think it was more, so a survival decision. Okay, I can either kill him because I think if she had left him the way that She, you know, when when she delivered that final kick and he impaled himself on the antler, she kind of left him alive.

1:25:55 I think he would have still come after her. And I think she was just to the point where she was like, I'm not about to keep doing this like him, him damaging her in the last episode by cutting her arms. I think that's really the most aside from the last season when she got when she got I think what she stabbed what she I think she got impaled or something but we don't really see an edge get hurt too often. So the fact that he got that close to her and was able to like literally Bind her, and and make those. Cuz I think she was like, no I'm not about to do this anymore because again, this guy was doing this for sport. He was getting pleasure out of hurting her and I think and then she was like, I absolutely not.

1:26:43 I'm not about to give any man the satisfaction of gaining pleasure over hurting me ever again. I mean, she had her new knives, she went in there ready to fight and you know, you can hear the kind of the voiceover. With cast talking to her because in the scene where they were together earlier where he was helping her cleaner wound, he was telling her what weakness is to look out for, you know, for this do and where you have to, you have to find his weakness, mmm. Yes, find his weak, his weak spots, his weaknesses. And then, you know, when she asked, if she was asking him like, well, what am I weaknesses? Do I have one Amy was telling her again, how observant he is? Okay, so you do this, you Put your pressure on your back leg when you get ready to Lunge like look for those types of things and they tell you this different things like, you know, in when someone gets ready to do a punch, they might move a certain way before they throw that punch, all these kinds of things.

1:27:44 So one of the things that we hear in this voiceover is he was like look for something that hurts him and she was like, he feels no pain, he said but that's a weakness in itself because he won't know how Hurt. He is until you deliver that final blow and as you see why she's fighting him, even when he's getting the best of her. She's cutting him here, she stabbed him, you know, she's throwing the knives and stabbed him here, or she's delivering all these little cuts and then when she makes that last move and she slides under his legs, that she turns around. And I was just like Not the hamstrings, right? He couldn't really like he couldn't stand. He was he was damaged.

1:28:38 Yeah, she could his hamstrings as I'm surprised. He was still able to kind of stand. She could his femoral artery. She wasn't getting his hamstrings, but that's the way it looks like what she cut behind his knee in that your hamstring. No, that was the. Oh yeah, a bit higher. But yeah, she got the artery but, you know, I found it interesting because of course he was, he was telling her at the beginning, he was like, that's okay. I know all the places to cut and she came up and she was like, you know, all the places to cut and the way that they did this because she says this and then they give the slow-mo when she gets up and I was like, oh, she's in a delicious, she's about to deliver the fatality. She's I'm about to deliver something because the way she just kind of stood up and she was looking, I was like, yeah, she's letting him know, you ain't about to catch me. She was like I know all the places to cut to as she turns around and does that roundhouse kick? Is she impales him on that artery? And then she walks over with the the blade and it has sank, to lean on it.

1:29:41 He was like and what would your what would your saying, you know, feel about what you're doing or whatever. She was like, I'm the one that's in control of what happens here and she goes ahead and she kills him. I was like, yeah, y'all don't Unleash the Beast in this girl now. Because now that she's had to kill, you know what, she did the in the last season now, she's like, okay, if it's if it's a matter of survival or killing, I'm going to survive and y'all are not about to put baby in a corner. She was like, yelling out about to chain me and no, absolutely not. And I'm like, I'm here for it. Yeah I like this version of an edge and this is like I'm not taking No Bullshit from y'all.

1:30:31 I'm not about to let anybody ever be in control of me and my body again and if you try I'm just going to have to mark your ass. Okay I'm here for it. I'm here for it. But yeah I like what we have seen From the crows this season so far. I mean with three episodes in and again we've seen a lot more character development for them. You seeing some surprising things with them like I said. And nationale has no, I won't say she has no reserves about killing but she's not as hesitant about it. Like she was last season again, if it's Survivor kill. She's going to survive Kaz with the secret ass-kicking skills. I'm here For it, you know, Jasper with with his gun. So I'm just yeah, this is like, this is becoming the best version of the crows that I have seen and I'm here for it. I'm loving it.

1:31:34 Yeah. But I have a feeling that Pekka Rollins is about to meet his match, especially since he kind of sort of revealed his cards in the last episode. But oh, okay. So I figured out how you I figured out that you were going to come here because I know how you think. And you already blew up the crows Club. I knew you weren't going to do this then other so I figured you'd be here. Oh, now that cast knows that you're trying to figure him out. What is it fool me once? Shame on. You fool me twice. Shame on me, Kaz is not about to be fooled a second time. I think Pekka Rollins has met his match and I'm ready to see what Casas by to do Kelly.

1:32:18 Yeah, I found another way to get to him suffering. I was like oh what is he about to do? What is he about to do? Just, just don't hurt the little boy, the little boys little terror. But he like, what? What they what did Jessica say, he say he was a right demon, but he was. Okay. And let's see wasn't one of those kids. He wasn't, he wasn't the screaming type. He wasn't that. He was just he was just a little boy who didn't like to play piano. He was like yeah I kept the strain because I mean everyone angry, I'd be honest. Yeah, I couldn't scream figured. He was just like, hey, who are you? That wasn't.

1:33:01 It wasn't no. He was just a cute. Little seven-year-old was like, why are you in my house? All you come to fix the piano. Damn. Right? While it was like, history's been could that is to clean but I think it was interesting when Jesper told the nanny, he was like whoever you know, whoever cut this this string or you know talking about Albert, he was like he cut it with a sharp object like he was telling a nanny. I need you to pay attention to what this little kid does because he had a sharp object and I'll tell him what he had and what he's doing with it.

1:33:44 But you need to pay more attention to your the charge may help. Look at this, we're being all self-conscious about the kids and stuff such as a nice guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's a nice guy. That's why he's one of the best characters of the best characters in here, just like you found out. Same, I'm happy again, this is growth roast. So proud of you as long as we keep this snark to a minimum, we good Jesper snark. The only way she'd time. Don't waste your time on it. It's fine. We'll get, we'll get back to it in future episodes. Anyway, star - pot or a better. That's okay, you know, the one thing I was thinking about in this episode when we found out that Sturm Han was the prince. I was like, how did that King?

1:34:41 And that Queen have a prince. That's this charming. And this friendly and this accepting of the Grisha. How did that child come from those parents? Usually, it's almost like he's adopted, he's the spare, no one's attention to the spare, they let them do whatever they want to do because the note them one kids, the one that they're focused on trying to influence and raised and get ready for the thumb. He's never expected to take the, take the crown. So they basically like Prince William and Prince Harry. Yeah. Right laughs. I hear but here The fame, this is and I'm glad you brought up William and Harry because here's the thing. So you ever notice that it's the ones that people damn are not the important ones that are the ones that come and fuck your whole thing up because they literally have been left alone to their own devices and they're not being brought up in the same way as the, you know, the first in line. So they're the ones that are more accepting of people. They're the ones that are more tolerant, they're the ones who are not as narrow.

1:35:45 Narrow-minded. Like I really feel like nikolai's about to come and fuck some shit up. Like like, oh yeah, the parents and the in the brother were about to head to the spinning wheel. Yeah, he's the one that's been using his army to kill Grisha. All you're about to walk into a whole bunch of Grisha, so I don't know. I feel like Nikolai showing up before his family shows up, was probably a good thing because you have all of those those Grisha. And you have the king and queen and the first son showing up, that probably would not have been a good reception.

1:36:27 My own. These are the people who have been hunting are our people. These are the ones who have been killing our Brethren and they're here. Yeah, especially if you think about what had already happened to be king queen prior to everything falling, like the king had this illness that Ginga, you know, jr. He brought that shown himself. I have no have no no feelings about that except for That's what the fuck you get. Yeah. Okay, that's all I'm saying. So the Grisha have already in a sense, attacked the royal family and now you're taking them to the place where there's more great but we'll see how that pans out because that's going to be interesting once they get there, especially if they see that nikolai's there and Nikolai has offered Sanctuary to the Grisha, that's going to be a problem for the royal family.

1:37:23 So I'm curious to see how they're going going to react to that. Are they walking into a hornet's nest? Which, I mean, hey, I have no, that's what they do. I mean, it's like, we have a lot of a lot of, like really talented strong-willed, strong-minded people who are used to walking in The Hornet's Nest and beehives and, and like thing, like, what the fuck ever? I'm doomed. I need to do what I got to do. So yeah, but that royal family ain't one of them. So that's going to be interesting. Yeah. It's good. So yeah, hmm. Anybody have any other thoughts about this episode? It was, it was good.

1:38:05 I think like Lori said the second episode. It was a bit slow. I still liked it, but it was slower. I think this one had a lot of the pacing was a lot quicker. The pacing was a lot bigger. Yeah. And they're really kind of going through the store like, Again I see I see elements of books, two and three coming into play. So it's going to be interesting to see how they paste this season and where they end it. As far as the story goes, but yeah, this one, shut up.

1:38:45 Shout out to them. Give showing Mathias, Mattias, feeding the wolves. And I'm like, if that's not foreshadowing, I don't know what it is like for real. You seem like the wolves are growling and stuff and here you go. Here's some food for you. Nicole. Thank you is like then they just like really write the rules are like now his best friends. Exactly. Gee that's not gonna come back around at some point in this season though. You know it has to. It was no point other than him feeding them and be like oh they're sacred to us. Blah blah blah. Yeah. All of a sudden the wolves are they're not dumb things.

1:39:27 Like okay, this human we like hmm. And then the fact that Mattias is now fighting and we've seen we've already seen that they put animals in the ring. So yeah, that's that's probably going to be a thing. So maybe that's how much highest Gets Out of Hell Gate. Maybe they try to, you know put the Wolves against him in the woods like, nope, this is our, this is our boy and they probably going to go and kill all the guards and maybe he can get out. That would be fun. What if he knows what's his name from will of time? You can like, you know, call him, you know, and on that note that is it for our show. You can find us online at www.findingking.com. We are on social media on Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter and Phantom hybrid, you can chat with us on our Discord Channel, you can watch our videos on our YouTube channel, and you can listen to us on all major podcast streaming platforms. Thanks for listening, we hope you join the conversation next time.