The Wheel of Time S1E3 - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #223

0:25 What's up hybrids? Welcome back to another episode of The Phantom hybrid podcast. This is hanako and I'm here with Anthony Lori and Mike and we are discussing episode 3 of The Wheel of Time series and this episode starts out pretty much picks up where we left off in episode 2 episode 2, we see the 9 AV is alive and well. And so we get to see how she is alive and well, in the very first part of this episode and I, I will say, if I don't know, nothing else about nine days, character through the rest of the season, I know that she is a badass because she took on at rollicking, whoop its ass And he was Rambo like, she's, he literally came out of the water like Rambo like, yeah, it's like slowly coming up in like, you know, I say, I have inspector to go.

1:17 Like, you know, like wanna shit but, yeah, she's of, yeah. I agree. She isn't, she's a total badass, like I'm not fucking with her and I think, I think, like, what's his name really wasn't trying to mess with her either. Like, when she, he she had the sword as though. She was kind of. Like, all right, I got to talk my way out of this. I don't think I can, that can mess with her unless I really catch her off guard. Let me so she was like, she's like on top of shit. I wasn't raised like fuck, dude. And then when she threw that braid back Like, who else wants? I was like, okay, so we have established that you are a badass, okay? Then that first been foreseen tells you everything you need to know about our needs character. Yeah, she is.

2:03 She is fearless. She's clever. She will fight. I mean, I was impressed with her because when we see her being drugged, first of all, I was like, oh, okay. So they didn't kill her, you know, well obviously, we know this at the end of episode two, But really in the first episode, when she got hit, I thought she was dead, you know. So we see her being drugged, and then you have two chocolates who were there, the Charlie Coos dragging her, and then there's another one that's walking beside it. And that one is obviously hurt. So her chalak drops, her goes over to the side and start speaking to other trolley. And of course, there's no, I don't know if they actually Speak in a way that we would understand but there's no kind of, like, subtitles or anything.

2:54 They're just talking. And obviously, it's like, you can you can imagine the conversation. One, dude is, like, yo, I'm real hurt and other dude is like, but can you go on? He's like, nah, I don't know if I can do it. Oh, okay, sure, no, no, see. It was really like one. Dude was like, yo, I'm really hurt noses. Like you are really hungry just like, hey, what in this cold? His friend and I was like you know and it's funny because I was re-watching this and I'm also editing one of mine in case he's walking dead World Beyond episodes from the late fall. You not have several episodes that I'm working on like trying to get out the backlog and we were talking about the Walkers and you know like the live people and how if you're in a situation for so long.

3:47 That might end up being what happens, the whole cannibalism thing and I was like, so I'm dealing with this on two shows now. Okay. All right what the fuck do I watch? Like really you just gonna eat your boy because whatever? I guess he was like okay well let's not let this go to waste or so I don't know that was really and I named it was like oh that's how you do your friends. Let me get the hell up out of here and she's takes off running now. Now here's the thing about her running away from him. And this is what I noticed in a lot of shows movies, whatever, why y'all gotta wrong with your mouth, open, you think they don't hear you.

4:31 If you need to need oxygen, you had a gold box of Jeannie. And if you're running you can't be trying to breathe through your nose and run. You know what? If I have to choose between being in pain, breathing through my nose and being in pain? Letting this chalak, take my intestines out, so he can have dessert. No, I'm yeah. Well, the key is EC mean, I have known this but then the trial against were trying to capture her. Not kill her. So That that, that would you know she probably didn't know that. Well, plus plus. She had just she had just gotten back to being conscious so she probably wasn't no condition to be running.

5:12 Anyway, like she was because she just got dragged from her Village to some distant part of woods. So there's there's no telling like they she has no wind. Like she literally is like sure she had plenty of time to rest and catch up. You do her head her. So she's probably in pain or poor Scout. Bless her heart. You wake up? The staff has heard, you're cold. You got these big ugly monsters, eating each other, get up and fucking read this, right? Okay, so we should at least take a trip. So what you just said ties into something? That was said later on in the episode. So I'm a remember that, ask?

6:05 Yes, yes, she did. No, but she did, but she didn't trip and get caught again. Oh, Like, you know, like a hardship like and my daughter was like, girl you better dip your head? I said well, that that's a hot spring. She was like, oh so I know she was trying to keep her head above that water like huh and as soon as he got close she was like all right let me get up under here and then when he started like stabbing I was like Okay, so where did she go? Cuz it's not like she could have gotten up without him hearing her?

6:49 I was really confused. I was like, wait, how deep is that spring? Yeah, it's like the size of it. It's not about hot tub like this. You when she's swimming around his legs out, how does she not bump into him? She stays against the wall because he used to having in the middle. Yeah, he just stay the against the wall while he was still in a hot tub like like a 4x4, hot tub. I mean, I don't think I'll have a response. She's naive. I mean it. Okay, he's Rambo. I mean, just, let's just start the episode off establishing that she is badass. Oh, okay. That's what we're doing.

7:30 Okay. All right. So we see, she's badass and now she's got Land by throat and I'm just looking like I really, I think I said this in the first episode So, or was it the end of lap that the end of the last episode? I was like, I can see a fight between them, but no, I ship them. Like even at this point, I shipped them and I will go ahead and say, I know what happens in the rest of the series or at the rest of the season. I don't know if that's going to be an actual ship, but it's obvious. There's like Some strong attraction there and I'm here for it. I'm here for it.

8:15 That's all I'm going to say. So anyway I shipped him with her more than I should have him with meringue. I just I don't I don't really feel more as more of a more of an authority figure than a potential love interest. It's like she's she's his boss is there's the really no chance even when they got into the hot springs together. It's like you're like Okay, whatever thing ain't shit going to happen between them because he's more of a, she's more of his boss. It's like, like I'm like, you just are just like and whatever this is good. We're just conserving energy. I don't look at it, I don't see it as like a and employee-employer relationship in that sense like yes I do know that she is the I guess you could say she's in charge and in that whole situation, but I never get that ass, you know, I never get that that I don't get that vibe from her as far as how she views him you know when you see other characters who are paired with other people who they are, obviously the superior.

9:24 A lot of them, make it known that. Hey, I'm your Superior. I don't get that vibe from her, I get a Vibe of. There's a lot of trust there. There's a lot of respect there and there is some kind of emotional connection even though I don't think it's really in that sense, you know it's not. Yeah, I see what you're saying, but I really, I mean, did. Yeah. There's there's not, maybe there's not a boss like relationship between them but there's definitely a platonic relationship. There's no. Like I don't think there's really a chance of them even though I don't think they think of each other like that thing because they have set roles in it.

10:06 Like she's she's who she is, he's who he is, and that's it. And they're just and they're good with those roles. Well, I'm just saying as far as the eye I said I and the waters knowing that that that relationship can Encompass. Any type of bond you've been on the road with somebody for two years looking for these people who are who are supposed to be the dragon reborn y'all don't really? Yeah, I don't really associate with anybody else. There, there was something happening there and maybe once, maybe tell your things on Anthony.

10:50 Never really nope. Okay not ever. So what you're saying is like, you know, they could be like a you know, slip into hip every now and then but it's like I just did. I don't see that kind of Chemistry Between them? Like I see between him and I need like, I could definitely like with the attention that they have between each other. I could definitely see that before. I can see him and hurt him and I wasn't it. I can't. I just can't This is one of those situations for me were it's really hard to separate what I know about them in the book from how the, on the show. But it's more like a therapist, patient relationship. You know, and he's sort of like the patient that is providing a service for his like a bodyguard. It's really interesting type of relationship. Okay?

11:44 I I can see, I can see that. I can see that. So okay, be a nom de. I'm just joking. I'm, you know, I'm just being silly but it's like, you know, everything everything that we watch, you know, people are always trying to pair people up like okay, these are two main characters in this band, they're supposed to be together. And it's like, sometimes it just don't go, I'm hoping that's not the direction they were trying to go with this show. As far as like those two being together, just companionship. Why? Wise and then you know, with the hot tub saying, I'm hoping that was just the kind of like put the filler out there but just to put it out there and not really Hood to like cement anything because I just I don't see that's no those are those are Spencer's for women that wanted to see his body. That's just sit like I'm not mad at all. They're also trying to show the closeness of water and the acid. I Without actually trying to explain it. Okay.

12:50 Okay. Kind of do later. But, you know, at the jump they just want to do kind of a real quick thing so they can move forward. So yeah. What's the best way to put that? Yeah, let's put them to in a bathtub together. Okay? Naked together. But actually no romance. No sex, no, no, I get it, I get it nuf s'ti me. Altered? Yeah, I did it. I get it. But okay, let's go on to the for because you know, we have our group that splinter because of Matt's dumbass you know, actions and shot should look up. Okay, yeah, I don't know why those two words together, it's so weird trying to put them together for me. I don't know why but so you have mad and ran And they're traveling over the mountains, trying to meet up with egwene and parent.

13:52 And when a parent are kind of going through the woods and going through, like Open Fields, but they're all separated, they're all, you know, kind of showing their own doubts with everything. And I think this is where you for me, this is where you start to really see the personalities of the people that they are. Because even though egwene and ran are not together as a couple right now, you still see that there's a strong connection for them. But it's interesting because Rand is the one who is like, no we have to go East because that's what egwene would do.

14:35 And he, I feel like he's so much. Sure of who she is. Then she isn't who he is, you know what I'm saying? Because she was the type that was like, know, they would go home and Perón was like, he ain't going home cause you ain't going home and he knows you're not going home, so he's not going home. It's just one of those things where you kind of you kind of see like How strong those bonds are between all of them like random at, you know, even though they were introduced as best friends in the first episode or that was kind of the idea. I got of them. You see the things are not all that great between them and I don't know if that's part of the Shadows, the the Shadows influence from Matt touching the blade or Mac carrying the blade because he still has the blade, right? Yeah, yes, yeah.

15:31 So, I don't know if that has to do with that Darkness influencing him, or if he's always felt kind of, like, overshadowed by Rand, or something like that, but you get to see a lot of that in this episode, like, Rand is really trying to keep his spirits up. He's trying to keep Matt spirits up. He's joking with him. Like, yeah, we just went through this really traumatic thing, but I'm going to try to keep us in a, you know, in a good place and Matt is the one that's being like such. Dick, and I'm just like dude what is your problem? I don't know. Matt, Matt, I think I ranted about this before, but the one thing that I don't like about the show is how they've done man's character because this characterization of Matt is not how using a book.

16:20 He's not dark and brooding and emo like he is in the show. He's much more lighthearted and he's mature. He's much more even even in the darkest of times he still is Making snide comments and very very snarky and funny and witty here. He's just just, just go away dude and just go away. I don't like him at all. I still see some of that snarkiness in him, but it does, it is mean-spirited. But that's why I'm saying, I wonder if that's the the darkness coming off the blade.

17:03 That's kind of getting into him. Making him be a little bit more. It's kind of, like, with Ron Hermione and Harry with the horcrux. You know, time They Carried the horcrux a part of Voldemort's Soul was kind of corrupting them a little bit. I kind of get the feeling the blade is doing that too. Well since you brought that up, did you hear the theory about? Because here was a horcrux that's the reason why the dursleys treated him the way they did was they were being influenced by him as a horcrux the nurse least. Were just asshole. Well, at least Vernon dursley, and petunia was just following behind her, her husband, because you saw when they got ready to leave, privet drive, and it was just her and Harry.

17:46 She had a little bit of just a little bit of not necessarily niceness, but civil - towards him. But yeah, let's yeah. Okay, but yeah, but I think it feels like the they made met. Like this because you say, you saw a little bit of, in the first episode. I kind of a little bit, but he was still breathing and dark and that very happy. He didn't seem I made. Well, I mean, if you think about it in the first episode, he was sitting in the town watching his father flirt, with other women, while his mother was standing there watching and him as their child at their watch. It, I wasn't being a good mood, My point, they're going to show the showed him like that in the beginning because they're going to make a point about the knife already. Bringing out the darkness in him. I so by starting him out as a level where, okay, we already recognize and see that he has a little bit of darkness in him, then it's not going to be hard for us to accept that the knife medium dark because if you start him out his light-hearted which there's no book, then he gets the knife. If he starts taking his turn to head, add the condensed everything down for for us to understand these characters. The same reason why they gave parent or wife and had him kill her because they don't have the time to show us that. He's just an introspective

19:18 person who keeps himself in everything is internal, okay. So they had to give us a reason. So the same thing, when Matt they had to give us a reason to think. Okay. Well yeah, of course the knife is going to make him dark. He already had some darkness in him and the knife attached to that Darkness. So I can see why they did it that way. I just don't like it. I saw it a little bit different whenever there's a group of friends close. Friends growing up, you always have a kid have a role or position, so to speak. So you've got the kid who doesn't have a mom, that you know that that's ran. You've got the, you've got the kid who's got a little bit more money that's going to parents on the tavern.

20:00 You've got the kid who sort of stands out a little bit different. That's apparently you've got the kid who may not have as much money enough as much opportunity but they're still part of the group and they kind of ignore that they have to give them a sandwich at lunch was, he doesn't have lunch money, that's kind of the vibe I get from the show about him, but from the book and he's right. It's totally different. It's it's more like they have to, like the characters. There's so much inner monologue in that first book with the characters that they had to translate it in a way that was believable. Quick for the TV series. Okay. So that's just the two cents. Did anybody notice that, that Matt is actually getting more gone and drawn and like darker, the more Discerning like, like, like the like like, you know it's just the Trope that you know, you're carrying you carry a dark object and it starts draining the life force from you, like is actually starting to do it with him.

20:58 So I think that has bad as that probably has a lot to do with his with how he is too. I mean because like We were we've never seen that happen to anybody. Any book ever before? Never absolutely. I mean, we know that, you know, Bill ball Frodo. We've never seen anything. The dark object. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, you know, I mean, well, I mean what, who would expect that if you pick up something that calls to you and that you feel a part of it that it would take part of you with it? I mean, they that's preposterous. What is the thing that mrs. Weasley said regarding Tom Riddle's, Diary she said, never. What was it? Never pick up.

21:39 Something, if you don't never never listen to something that speaks to you, if you can't see where it keeps his brain. She said something to that fat, like if there's a object calling to you and you'd like, no, you run, you leave that shit alone. But if it's something is calling to you, that doesn't have legs arms or a mouth. This no, no, no, no, it's a waste of time. So, Mickey was okay in Fantasia with The Walking broomsticks, a stick. Did you see how that turned out? No, he was not. Okay, no. Oh, well, that's true. But see, here's the thing. I believe, truly that the way that this was set up with these characters, it is a classic DND dragonlance, you know, they meet at the end and they go on their Adventure type of a thing which we see in all fantasy books.

22:33 But what makes us Effort is that Robert Jordan created it just different enough that you're hooked, but you're not hooked. Like you would say for Shannara, you're hooked in a way where you're like, I actually want to see where this is going, granted, like I said in the first episode, they shortened some things because it took ran instead 14 days to get town and took him another five days to get back to town but that's your story. I love this this this whole concept of the kids each being Distinct personalities. And I like the way that the pairing is our when they pair off because if I was writing this, I would have switched some characters to have certain people go certain ways, but the way that they have it, you know, you get the setup of the gleamin right? And that's exciting.

23:20 And that's going to be interesting and I know that's going to have some stuff hopefully later on down the line. But the configuration of how they split is interesting, meaning the Tinkers and and oh, and and stuff like that. So yeah, it's kind of cool. I like the Of the tankers because anytime I can see Maria Doyle Kennedy on my screen, I'm happy. I love her as I live, I mean, but she's like, I can't think of anything that, you know, like any of my shows that I've like, really, really like the last few years where she hasn't appeared in, she was in the tutor she was in Downton Abbey, she was an orphan black, she was in, she's an Outlander, she's in this.

24:01 I know I'm forgetting something from the last couple of years, but she's like, all over the place and I loved it. When I saw on the screen, I was like, Yay cuz I didn't even know she was going to be in this show. But yeah, well, we'll talk about the Tinkers later because they're interesting Bunch. They're very interesting Bunch but um, I think one of the interesting things, you know, I didn't think about this until Lori said it when we were discussing the last episode and now it's all I can think about pairing being a werewolf like there. We service there is opposite. My bells wolves looked like or they sounded like, they were going to attack him and egwene and all they were doing was pushing them out of the forest and pushing them on the path that they needed to go.

24:53 Because as soon as they got them out, like all of the yapping and all of the chasing after them stopped and they said that the far as like, you're welcome, you know, I'm I mean, it's like, look at like this. There's no chance in hell that pairing with a hurt leg and egwene being egwene. We're going to outrun a pack of wolves. Where does that mean? Not quite being and Wayne? What does that comment mean? She's a small woman who take small steps. Woes. She's cheap. You, you think she can outrun a pack of wolves? Do you think she can outrun a pack of wolves? I've been, no, no, she can't. It has nothing. Has nothing to do with her powers and then to her as a person.

25:34 She's a small Listen with small legs and can't run fast. Gonna get caught. She's gonna get Gil Devers. A small will move his small dicks and seek it out right now. We're not seeing right now. You could you gonna make me puke? We're gonna start taking this into an entirely different level that we don't need to take it to his initiative. Picked up his bed. Like I won't step on this beer instead of tea. Look, man, I'm saying to the puck She could not outrun a pack of wolves. That's my point. And and parents still has a hurt leg and was going to do, he's going to outrun them fall down the Devil comes because lady be like, all right, get up again. Donkey braying those who still have a her leg. We haven't seen that leg lately.

26:20 I mean, I might need the war feel it. You probably don't know it after you after licking it and like little. But it's like, yes it's yeah. It just goes back to like him actually being able to talk to the animals. He's basically dr. Dolittle now it's like you He can do you think he knows what they're saying and he knows which way to run. Because you notice when they were running, he was like, wait, we have to go this way. It's like the Wolves were telling him, like they're running wrong way, and there, when they were growling and yelping at him, he was like, oh shit. No, no, we have to go this way and he switched Direction like in the middle of them running. So then that's how it doesn't hundred percent him being able to tell that which way he needed to go and probably getting help from the Wolves but was it was weird about it, too, like I'm not in bracelet, I'm not, I'm not.

27:05 Not know, I know this is what probably happened. But, no, I mean, northern it just didn't look, he's he's just like the great Michael J fox in the, in the Epic Movie Teen Wolf where he gets the powers, but he just doesn't know what to do with them and he does know how to accept them. It's like, you know it's only a matter of time. See, I can't even think that far back because it's been so long since I've seen that Teen Wolf. I think Scott McCall and Tyler Posey right there for you, Mike. They voted for you. Yeah. And Rob's of the podcast for beating me to a Teen Wolf reference. That's what I'm here for. But I mean, I still think that he if he's not a werewolf, he just had the bite or whatever happened to him. Has given him has given him an innate sense to communicate with animals, and figure out what's going on with him. So, so we're safe, don't don't feed the B, did it? No, listen.

28:05 Okay, if he's not a werewolf, I'm just throwing this out there if he's not a werewolf than he could possibly be sensitive, he could be some sort of person who has affinity for animals that can speak and communicate. You know the animals, you know, all Aquaman. I it could be anything, you know. But it's like it's like Antonia one encounter you encounter. Yeah. I haven't seen that movie. I'm not going to confirm nor deny whether or not he's werewolf. But I will reiterate, what I said. The last time we talked about this show, remember how authors and writers have different interpretations of what a werewolf is. True and I would just keep that in mind. Okay?

28:56 But I am not saying that he didn't get bit right here. That's attached, was from the chalak strong despite okay, okay, that's what I thought. Okay, yeah II, I say he's sensitive and can can communicate. That's what I say? Because like I said, we have with all the different magical systems that were we see with the ice die. And this and that don't you think that if there was some sort of werewolf type of a creature that was long-standing they would know about it. I mean you know I mean we're still only three episodes in so who's not to say that long who might show up later on, remember the breaking of the world was 3,000 years ago, a lot of knowledge, a lot of things were lost when the breaking happened.

29:50 The breaking took place over over a hundred years or so. A lot of things was like we're lost is literally like if everything that we have now, and we're plunged into caveman times, like that's what they had left after the breaking. Many things, a lot of knowledge was lost. And I'm just going to, I'm going to say this, and I don't really think this is a spoiler. But you remember in Game of Thrones when the Dragons Were awakened? It caused a lot of other magic to start.

30:30 It's as if magic had returned. So in the will of time, the dragon has been Reborn. The final battle is upon us. We are nearing the end of an age. So the wheel is putting things in place that needs to be in place for the final battle to be a fair fight. Okay. Okay, so the wheel has now, spun out not one to viren but 52 variant, which is V which is never happened before, right? So we have five two viren and they're all very different. Also, remember the any man who could channel was destroyed or killed.

31:18 What if a man wasn't channeling, what if he was something else? And he was killed because he had an affinity. Let's call it that for a particular animal. So the will has now I'm basically I'm saying things that were gone have sort of returned, right? The hasn't been very powerful acid. I know that I served out or current, I said that his powerful as any of the ice that for 3000 years ago, none of them. They don't even come close. Okay then nowhere near even omelet, none of them you can put three or four of them together and they're not even as powerful as one of the least powerful acts that I the time, 3,000 years ago. So all these things are starting to come back. So there are things that are lost people who may have other types of powers, they aren't related to challenge. Okay, I have returned because they're needed. His final battle.

32:25 Okay. Yes. Having said that. What if the the the guy that got killed that they were chasing in the first episode? What if he wasn't like see wasn't Dragonborn, maybe he maybe he got blessed with the gift of baby talking to the dead or talking to like the spirit world like us do because he was alone. He was running alone but he thought he was running with somebody and he was talking to somebody and they were guiding him. So is it? So did he get a like a gift of talking to us communicating with the spirit world or think something like that? Just like Perrin can talk to animals and Matt can pick up stuff that he's not supposed to pick up and ran kid brand, Koran can brewed moodily and almost got himself killed all the time. No.

33:12 Very very colossal. Knock down the door that technically speaking, he would not have been able to knock down so yeah, can't wait to get that part. Yeah, yeah, okay. So you're right. Because one thing I told you before, remind on, do nothing and talk about it, but women cannot see me and channel. So the has to be other things that they look for to find a man that can Channel sofa man is doing something weird like, talking to spirits. That looks like he's going crazy. So he must be a Channeler. Well, he might be a necromancer and don't know, and they don't know what that is. So they're gonna kill him anyway. Right, well, this, why didn't that this? That's why when of the Rules is they have to go before the ominous seat for a trial because that way they can determine whether or not he's channeling, okay? Because if it is possible that he isn't channeling and he's a something weird and strange and they have to let him go. Okay, another question that I want to ask kind of get moving into a different part of the show, so More rains injury to her shoulder.

34:23 I don't remember how that happened. I mean, I know it was during the battle with the tropics but did she get like did she get stabbed with something? This should get clogged. She got stabbed okay and it went through her. Yes. Okay because I was trying to figure out if she got injured by a trollop and parent also got injured by a child like why was her so much worse than his. But if it went through then yet probably penetrated his Out through muscle and skin and bone. And if I remember hearing got clawed, okay, they don't poison their claws, but their poison their weapons. Got you, okay?

35:04 That makes sense to me because I was trying to just route, like why was Moraine like in this particular episode? She's damn near comatose. Yeah, she's gonna put the the trolley poisoning poisoned are their weapons. Okay, okay. And then my name is tries to, you know, she she puts together a poultice to put on her and it seems to help a little bit but nowhere near what she needs. So, you know, I I don't know, it's kind of one of those things is like, you know, you talk about the wheel and how it does how it kind of, I guess influences things that happen in this life. And I feel like, Even though the circumstances were a little bit weird, I would say, you know, 49a to like all of a sudden, find them, even though they have been traveling for, who knows how long she was still able to find them and not only find them, but she was the one person who was able to put together something that could, at least help Moran until they got her where they needed her to be, which was, as we saw at the end of the episode amongst other.

36:17 I said I, but I was just like, oh, so was that? Because my name chose to go. There was something influencing her to follow them and do all this. So it's like, I'm looking at it all in different, you know, from remember. Remember else will he or she says she tracked land. She tracked them. But from, from a book readers perspective. Remember, I was telling you to Varian since they've already saved the village of Aaron, they have a pool towards each other. Right? And you're going to be able to find them eventually. And yeah, because I think it's obvious from this episode that she's the, she's the fit severan, you know, we were only told about four and then we've been hearing about a fifth one and even Dana who Randon Matt come across in the in the town that they visit.

37:10 She says, I dream of you and I dream of you all five of you, five of you. And Matt was like five, like who Who is, who else is supposed to be joining this Elite group? But yeah, I think it's pretty obvious that that fifth one is probably not naive. So, yeah. Okay, it just made me, look at things a little bit differently, you know, going back and watching it another time and just kind of, you know, how it is. You watch it the first time to watch it and then like, when you watch it a second time, you watch it to pick up the things that you miss the first time especially now That we've been discussing it having a little more information about just the the characters and how things work in that world being able to kind of pick things now say, oh okay.

38:02 I'm looking at this in a different light because other than that, I would have just been like oh, she's skilled tracker. Okay, cool. But she's a wisdom. That's not that's not something that they necessarily do, right? Wisdoms are supposed to be like the healers in the, the wise people. Well, you usually get trackers from like the soldiers or the Fighting Man are like I would have, I would think that ran was probably be a good tracker, parent might be a good track, you know. But I name That was kind of new, but, you know, yeah, if she's if she's also tracking them or feeling that pool towards them than that, will make a lot more sense. Yeah.

38:46 And also the Healer part of it one. Again, not really a spoiler but well, nevermind it is. Forget, I said anything. Oh, never mind. We'll talk about it later. Okay, we'll talk about later. So yeah, let's let's talk about And Matt going to this town, I can't remember what the name of the town is, but I thought it was two words. I meant to write it down but you know, I, I start to write things down when I'm watching and then I get so engrossed in watching that. I forget to take my notes but I'm gonna have to get better about that but they go to this town.

39:27 They meet this chick who seems like she's real nice. You know she's room. She's nice in a not nice way like she's standard Tavern Fair. Like she's got the attitude like okay she's got the smart mouth and probably be Because she has to, she has to have learned how to do that, because she's an attractive young woman. She's working in a bar with a whole bunch of guys. And come on, let's let's be honest, guys in these types of shows their dicks, their dicks when it comes to women. So she's probably had to like, learn how to have a tough, you know, tough mouth or whatever. So, she kind of She got to get some random mats ass a little bit but turns out she's a whole different Beast because she is a dark friend or is that's right. Dark friend?

40:22 So because he seemed so different before and then it's almost like, I don't know. If I felt like something took over her, like from the time, they got there until the time they left like something about the way, she was observing them. You're trying to figure out what was going on. She was asking a lot of questions. She said there had a drink with ran and, you know, ran was, I don't think ran was. I think he just needed somebody to talk to, you know, and she's a young girl. Yes, she's attractive. But she's a listening voice and you know, everybody says that about part bartenders. Anyway, bartenders that's who you put your feet up, your troubles out to and they sit there and listen while they're serving you drinks and getting drunk and making you spend your money. But I don't know something about her, she seemed different. And I don't know if there was like a particular switch that she flipped or If she was just that good and she was like, oh yeah.

41:22 Let me be friendly to them. And then, you know, once she got to that part where she tried to kiss me, he backed off. She was like, oh, all right switch flipped. Let me show you who I truly am and it just changed from there. And I was like, I know. Ran was like why? What the fuck just happened? Because he looked genuinely confused like, ran is one of those naive guys? I feel like, because he's been in love with the same woman, his Whole life. So he doesn't know about that kind of, you know, womanly wiles and all the kind of things that women supposedly would do to get to either have their way with you, get the information from you or try to kill you.

42:02 So he's just sitting there like what the fuck just happened? Let's do. I do? Shut up Mike. I don't know, Anthony, you talk? Because I know my keys. No way. and the way they don't do things, or the way they do things, you're just like This Look fucker. And that's not even, he is, never a probably never ever looked at another woman except for a big one.

42:49 So if we're going yeah. And it shows, you know what it reminded me of, Anakin Skywalker, bass, know about the mask. So, in the movie, The Mask, where Stanley ipkiss is running away from the cops and the friend that he has, who works with him, it comes against him and take some carry really lost. Yes, Jim Carrey. It takes them to her loss. Off and they start talking and he's like, you know, they get kind of close like going, it's going to kiss and then the bad guy comes in at the last moment and she gives him the mask and is like, okay, this is what happened. Like she turns on like a last-minute. That's what that kind of reminded me of, its kind of obscure reference, but I mean domestic. My favorite movies, I don't care how long I get the Anakin Skywalker, reference a little bit better, I think that forever.

43:34 First of all, I'm taking my time back from the gentleman's from Kennesaw. Really? I reclaim my time, sir. All right, Max Waters. You calm down. I don't know how to follow that up with a. I was gonna say, you shouldn't take any. What I told you to take the for, see y'all gonna live in any one of these days? I'm gonna see. Now we're not actually, no, we're not, we're gonna see is when I was going to say was, I don't know if this was intentional on the writers part, but I think is brilliant that you you feel like Dana had to switch. Because the and the common attribute for a dark friend is a, you don't know who the fuck is a dark frame. I'm like you have no freaking clue even reading the books. You did these people, they hide their really deceptive and be a really good at getting really close to you and you think they're like your best friend.

44:40 And this scene though, you kind of the knife protruding out of here, Nick As seen she started out kind of not Nick, Not Innocent, but she seemed harmless enough. I would say, you know. Yeah, okay. I mean she had a mouth on her. You know, when Matt said something about, you know, I'll grovel at your feet for a place to stay and she was like, okay, go ahead and the floor is nasty. She was like, what you waiting for? I liked her quick-wittedness you know, wittiness in that scene is she seemed like I I said, harmful then she starts talking to Rand and she seemed a little bit more not seductive, but more flirty kind of like, okay, let me see how this goes and I didn't even think of it as a. Oh she's trying to get information for the Fades or for the dark one.

45:39 I didn't look at it like that, I just thought it was genuine like breaking you in interest. Like oh here are to life. Am I attractive men? Because I mean, even even coming into the town, even though they've been on this journey for who knows weeks. At this point, they have fought trolleys. They have, they have fled, a shadow City. They still look better than half of the man that you saw in that town, not necessarily physically look, but they were cleaner. They just, you know, they just carried themselves a little bit differently and she already told me that. She was, like, most of these people here have known me since I was, you know, a child or just before I was born, they were in this town, so, when you're in a situation like that, and here comes some, you know, some fresh blood coming through the door. Yeah, she might get a little bit. Flirty, that's what I took it as but the moment he had rejected her kiss.

46:42 It's almost like everything about her change her, facial Precious changed her body language changed. Y'all know I talk about this all the time. I paid close attention to facial expressions, body language, she flipped that switch so fast, I was like, wait, what the fuck just happened? It was Flawless like she's like I shouldn't have done a braid said, I think that's what are you talking about? She said, rise me to too much of her. It was like, who because if you think about, It ran only mentioned a girl. When he asked about his friends, he said a girl with the braids and a big guy that didn't, that's it.

47:27 I mean, nothing about the way that he said, that would have given me the feeling of, oh, he's pining for this girl. He just basically was like y'all. Have you seen some people? Our age come in, that's the only time he mentioned her. So for her to turn around and be like, oh, the braid, it doesn't remind me too much of her. And he says, what And I was like oh that's not weird because he mentioned a girl with the braids at the beginning of the thing that she says egwene. I was like, oh shit you in trouble. But the thing about the in the books is you don't ever really know who is a dart friend until they reveal themselves to be a dark friend. So it's not like they take actions that they do things that make you think. Oh, this person is a dark friend, right? Sometimes you have no freaking clue until they do. And cdna flip that switch.

48:18 So I think it's a brilliant way to introduce a dark friend because I thought it would be the singer. First, I would have thought it was him. And he turned out to be the one to help them, you know man. Let me tell you the old pickpocket. I was I was old pickpocket who just with snuck up on them and shape them while they weren't looking no because the old pickpocket would have been to for me it would have been too obvious. You know, you take the guy that literally just, you just basically buried a body with, but you actually got to know them, you know, got to know him a little bit enough to give him your real name and then, you know, also the do was like, yeah, you come from the two rivers and he was like, I never said, I was from the two rivers.

49:03 He was like everything about you, says the two rivers, the way you walk, the way you look, the way, the way you talk everything about you says that attitude, Stubborn attitude. So I was like, something's not right about this guy and then it's so funny because it turns out that he's the one that helped them by throwing a sword in Dana's. That that was cool. I hate it. But that was, that was cool. He was like yeah you talking about Tom Maryland the gleaming. Yes yes, his song that he sang in his ears. Production was about loose there until Aman. You the one who broke the world and seeing all his dead relatives and he killed it's a very sad song. Tom Maryland book be the same treatment with him. They did with Matt, they made him really really dark in the book.

50:01 He's actually very funny ugly man or funny. They're entertainers but like this guy I don't want to sit and cry when you sing a song. I'm supposed to be happy. Well, it it it it goes back to the way he is in the book because in the book there's something about him that I don't know if it shows up in the other episodes. Because I haven't seen, I'm halfway through episode 5 but if they continue that should be interesting because he's going to be. I hope a major character because I enjoy seeing any time you've got a Bard character that can fight message. Injure or someone who is Entertainer, that does that. Because I usually Eternal to be spies or assassin, so I was happy to see him, but this is not a spoiler. He is a Cornerstone character in the book. Oh, good.

51:01 Cause I was hoping he was supposed he was supposed to be in the two rivers. I mean, in the book, that's that's where he is. That's this what he started. They all leave together, they moved him, they moved him. To a different place. Yeah. Because yeah, because the first episode I was like well, where's Tom right? But yeah. Okay. So that that answered my question because like I said, I enjoyed so much I know, I know why they didn't do it because of person you never know this of another certain person and the relationship that she has with her water, they didn't want to. Do you want to throw that out there too soon? Me and Mike a little late.

51:47 Now, I know why they don't want you to focus. They want you to focus on certain relationships and not others. So it's better to to to just show him for a couple of episodes and we will never see him again probably. Okay. Because it's like I was looking at him and I was like is that Kurt Cobain? Like because he was like singing like all sad and strumming, the guitar. So I expect them to have like a ready. In cardigan on its are seeing Another Man Who Sold the World engine. He's more like Weird, Al Yankovic in the book. He's who was rather very colorful Patchwork jacket. You know, this is a community that was like I said that was an accurate representation.

52:30 As far as the book, those what he did easy tells the people who are book readers, who watch the show, that this is clearly going to be darker than the book like between him and Matt. This this show is not going to be like the book we're going Game of Thrones dark this thing, okay? And and just showing him like that. Okay. Yeah, the the song was playing in the background of my daughter was like, why does it sound like Blues? She was like, the sounds. Like she said it sounds like some blues record that she listens to. I was sitting there like it was a nice song I guess. In terms of, you know, sometimes when you watch shows and they had the pub singers, they don't necessarily sound all that great.

53:24 He sounded, okay? But it was like, you said, it was very depressing. I was like, I need to switch over to Netflix and play toss. A coin to your Witcher or something. I need something that's gonna live in it, but that is who he should be more like, okay, him, or even the guy we saw at conjuration seeing the pub songs. Yeah. Okay. Okay. If that's what he should be. Like okay, hmm. Alright um, Let's see, what else is there to talk about in this episode because your fingers? Yes!

54:09 The to I thought, yes, let's get to the Tinker. So I'm traveling people. Yes, the traveling people. So parent and egwene come across this Caravan of people in the forest and they have this really weird way of introducing themselves. They're like, do you know the song? Ang and I was like, what's the song? And, of course, obviously, egwene and parent, don't know the song and they're going back and forth. This is one woman with a younger dude and they're going back and forth talking and he tells them what they're supposed to say. If they don't know the song and then she says what they're supposed to say if they know the song and then they're like you guys look like you need some food? Come on.

54:54 They just take them in. And so, the Tinkers are this their wandering group, they're traveling group. And basically, what is it that she says are fires. Are open to all that needed. Our food is open to all that needed. So basically they just they they travel around the country and they pick up, people who might need, you know, some fresh food, a warm place to, you know, kind of camp out or whatever which obviously Li Guang and parent need it because they have been on their own for, who knows how long at this point. But that's an interesting group, tell us a little bit more about that group Anthony.

55:35 Okay, go ahead. No, go ahead, Mike, are you sure this is the last time? You know, I'm sure that's all I'm saying is I'm getting when they were, like, how they were talking to him. I was like, okay, this is giving me like heavy, like traveling Carnival Vibes or traveling cannibal lives. Like, I keep it. I half. Expect parent to wake up on a spit, like, rotating over a fire, like, like, oh my God. Like, but I mean, I'm like maybe they're good enough and you know, but I just did there were giving giving off really weird Vibes to me. It's like, I really kind of got the feeling that they were going to eat.

56:16 Perinatal egg. White is rahmani and acceptable term. Yeah. Is I'm sorry. Robot line. Romani, is that acceptable? Yes, I think so. Okay, because that that's that's the, the what I got and I was immediately intrigued reading the book when they were talking about them. And I was like, oh, because in another book series by Kevin J Anderson. There is a group of people in space that are basically that and they, they Roam and they're called roamers and Still the official term in the book series out of the seven sons and the roamers are kind of like these people only there on spaceships and they basically mine various gases and minerals for the rest of the universe and they run into some issues, but it reminded me of that. Now I've always been intrigued by the whole concept of basically you know getting in a caravan and traveling you know to and from you know, different places the descriptions in the book of how they can't stay in made Our cities and towns, sort of, you know, the prejudices that people have of this particular group of people, but I was fascinated and the song. Now, I haven't gone past.

57:34 I'm about a third way through a book too, but I'm calling it right now. I bet you one of the five knows the song and I bet you the song is going to be a lot more important than people think. That's just me. Just going off of what I read was suspect it. That's the case. I would think it would be like 9af, maybe because she's the one that's not original to the town where the other for, you know, were born, but right. And I don't think it's fate of no spoilers, no spoilers, but don't get your hopes up about the song. Just why these leaders have have torture themselves or the song Forever don't get too. So what you're saying, is the almighty great stairs and didn't didn't deliver with those last three books. I'm not saying any more.

58:33 There's another, the Shannara series, they are Rovers. Who are very similar, forgot about that, your rights. Got out of it. The Rover's. Like, the I only saw like the first sir, first two episodes of season 2 of Shannara, but weren't they in like the first episode of season 2? I abandoned the scenario Chronicles TV show because I don't remember seeing them, but they may have been. Okay. I was trying to I was trying to think of the the people that are trai ended up with after everything that happened with. I think that was the Rovers. Okay.

59:15 Yeah. I think I did watch that. Okay. Okay. The two other one, I'm not going to give anything away but The 12th, one of the traveling people, or the Tinkers are remember. I keep saying this things have changed over the last 3,000 years, so they may not even remember what their original purpose was, but they have a role to play, okay? Be are an important group of people in this world. Okay. And I know they, they followed the way of the Iana when they said the way of the leaf, my mind went to Firefly, I couldn't help it. It's like, no, don't do this to me. But anyway, so they followed the way of the leaf, and it's basically a non-violent lifestyle so, like even if they're attacked or something like that, they just don't fight back, which is a very foreign concept for me to think about giving the world that we live in. Vin.

1:00:24 But they really are a people that kind of practice piece, right? So, we learned their history. Will remember where they came from. It will make sense, okay? Okay. But yeah, they're they're they're interesting much but I'd like them because they took care of iguana Perrin so I like them and Maria Doyle Kennedy is the the leader so I like them if they even have benefited, I will say this. But they have benefited from being very open to other people joining them and marrying into their families and creating offspring, that don't look like who.

1:01:10 They're And from now Anthony correct me if I'm wrong. But when they were with them weren't they supposed to meet somebody and we had, we haven't seen them in this episode yet? Yes, he's not with him. That's why I thought, okay. Yeah. Okay. She's how badly the same thing. We did with Tom being moved. Tom in a different spot. They have also moved its other character that we've seen pad and fame, who we've seen, is supposed to have been with the tankers at this time. But for some strange reason he's not oh okay.

1:01:50 He was the he was the the guy with every works. Yeah. The traveling Merchant in the first. Episode the black dude, with the small twist. Yeah. Is he going is? We see where he and Matt are doing, like, a little trade. Can we assume? And this is pre not after can we assume that Matt's been doing Trinkets and trading with him all along? I thought that was the impression I got when they were talking. Hmm, I thought I just cuz I wasn't I didn't know if that was a one-time thing or not because I was thinking it has to be more than one because he they were able to strike up a deal very quickly.

1:02:35 So that will be that and Fain was and we're going back to that first episode pain and fame was basically their link to the outside world for the two rivers. Okay. That's what I miss. Okay, remember the two of you they were very welcoming and they do get merchants and things and people come in and out for the wool and all that stuff. But patents. Fame brings he brings the news of the world to them so that you look for secluded. Yeah. But he when he comes he knows that they want to know what's happening in the world. Like when the merchants come to trade for the wool, they get the one they leave but now he kind of hangs around for you know a week or two telling stories of what's going. Where he brings like news, kind of like newspapers for them to read and you know, so yeah Matt yeah, that was the impression I got in their first episode because when he was trading with him, he was like, well, not this time. You know, I don't have anything for you. Now, what you got for me?

1:03:34 So yeah, they've traded before. Okay. All right. Um, so there was another 0v, the person who was hanging in the town or who was hanging in the cage in the town when Rand and Matt got there, he's called Anne IL the IU IU, okay, are they going to play prominently into the story? So I don't want to give away too much about the IU but bi you are a people. Who live beyond the spine of the world in this world, the spine of the world, is a mountain range, I think, to the Northeast. And on the other side is a vast desert and so they think of them as the Freeman.

1:04:31 They're basically the framing from Doom, they live in a desert, they're divided up in the Clans and it's a very harsh environment. They have these very harsh. They live by they don't use swords. There is a reason that they use Spears, they have Spears. They don't ride horses on this. They have to okay? Yeah, I just walk everywhere. Run. Okay? Okay, yes. And if in the bull very physically, a death, okay. Actually, yes. Yes, they are because of the harsh environment, he lived and but you learn more about them as a. So I guess as a Seasons progress will learn more but everything you need to know.

1:05:26 One of the things, they are Fierce Fighters some of the best in the world but and I you whose veiled if they pull their Veil up over their face that's what you got to watch out. You are gonna be okay. That's what we are. That's what the, what is the term for him? He's a gleaming that's I can't I couldn't think of it. But yeah, that's what he felt mad. He was like it fellas up. That's when you have to worry. Yeah. When the Villas down the rear piece, The I reasons, okay. Which would be a spoiler. Oh, okay. Yes they are.

1:06:07 They don't care for weapons of in the spirit because they don't consider the Spear of. They're very defensive and posture, not necessarily offensive imposter. But if they need to be, they will defend their life and their water to the depth, and they have red hair like rant. I'm sorry, you know where I'm going to be pink and they take Oaths very seriously here and there like Rand had to make that distinction, huh? With in Toms sake, don't see that you don't see this kind of hair outside of whatever.

1:06:56 Yeah, okay. So okay Lori. You did it. You have to give your theory now. He's one of them. He is one of that people and I'm going to say that something is going to be revealed that he has. Definitely one of them. He's not from the village and that something happened with him that caused him to be at the two rivers. And he's actually a long laws dead Prince princeling are that's my theory. He's a long-lost, dead princeling. No, no, I said well, he's a longhorn did King. There you go. That's my theory.

1:07:36 Okay. Okay NASA. So. So let's go. First, I you were which we haven't, which we haven't heard about, which will see part of later but for sale War happened because an oath was broken by one of the Kings. Oh and so be at you all the there 12 yeah they're 12 Clans they all got together. Came over this by and proceeded to try to kill, Matt King. And that was the first day of War. Well, okay, accomplish the goal and we're back. Oh, okay, give the job done.

1:08:17 Go home. All right. Hey, how's it going? No one wants to fight them face-to-face. Not even, not. Even the be talk about blade Masters. Who are the best? Swordsman They say they don't want none of that, they don't want the heat will do well. I mean, the honestly you'll see later if you don't want that. Okay, so okay, I'm gonna bring this up since Lori put out her little Theory and of course we know that R and is possibly the dragon reborn. I think he probably is like I said it's either him or Matt in my mind.

1:08:59 But if He is an IL and if he is the dragon reborn is that going to be like good chaotic or bad chaotic in your opinion? My opinion. Hmm, both. Oh okay, both because we haven't even gotten to the good stuff yet. Okay, well yeah, yeah. And since right about ran in this episode you mentioned the door earlier. Mmm, you think that door down? What else? What else did you notice that he did in the episode? Well, I see all those fucking Boggs. He split.

1:09:42 Yes, and my man didn't even break a sweat then that light he was. But you know I didn't even think about that as being unusual because as Matt said when he kind of you know quickly bowed out of that Shore, he was like Max was me. He'll have that done in no time so I just thought it was something he was used to doing but now that you say it like that that was a lot of damn wood. Yeah. There would. A lot. But yeah, I noticed that when he, you know, when he started running up against the door, you know, it shakes a little bit and she was like, I know you're not going to. Why do you think I chose to bring you in here because you can't break that door down? And it's like, as soon as she said you can't boom, boom. And you could actually see the waves of power come off the door right before he knocked down.

1:10:33 And even she looked at it like oh oh oh shit. Like this was not, what was Most to happen with and she's a timid at that point in me, and your size could knock that door down, okay? One man his size did and this is still the person you wanted to hold at knifepoint and then tell him, look I already called the phase but they're coming for you and I'm going to be the one who turns you. I started to say, bitch, have you never watch TV before your life and seeing that? Anytime somebody says, I'm gonna get the glory, I I'm gonna do this of live. Are the ones that end up dead and like you said when we were, you know, we were dealing with technical difficulties when that sword came through her neck. I didn't see it from behind the first time, but the second time, you can actually see it flying through the air right before it gets to her neck.

1:11:28 I was like, oh, that's actually a cool shot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's, uh, she made. I'm sorry. I'm saying, she made. She made the She made the, you know, the mistake that all all bad guys make that she started monologuing like soon as you start bomb logging don't listen do like and second of all and second of all, how the hell she called them? Call who? The phase in their dreams. Yeah. And it dries, remember he beat the dark one was sending her images of the five of them. So yeah, there's this house, I think, I think, I think she just had one too many crusty guys, flirting with her and shit and she lost her. Damn mind.

1:12:19 She's like Well, my sense because she wasn't saying, oh yeah, you guys are the dragon reborn and you're going to destroy the world and that's what I want. You know, how you have all these evil minions, when they're flocking to the bad guy. They're like, oh, he's going to make this better for us. But the better is literally worse for everybody. She was like, you're supposed to Help fix things every time people coming to the bar. They talk about war, they talk about famine. They talk about this that, you know, all this bad stuff happening. The the dragon reborn is going to fix that. So in that sense, I can understand, but I'm sorry. You're talking about someone saving the world, but the term for what you are, is dark friend. Now that does not compute does not compute that Go together. No, how do you know, say the world. But you're called a dark friend.

1:13:26 You just pop this, these people are supposed to save the world but the person that you that you summon is either the dark one or a fade. There is nothing positive about a fade unless it's on your head and it's done correctly. My audio books, I've been, you know, organizing and I'm coming across a theme of some of my books and I was wondering if we have this in this book series, are there any other following nod your head once for yes two times for no.

1:14:09 Are there any Fallen gods or any Gods from other Realms walking around? Okay. All right now that just thought I'd ask you're good uncle. Yeah, I was covering my eyes so that's not that's not this type of damage is okay because I because I like I said I'm going through so much stuff and I noticed about four or five of the series to the Of a pissed-off. God shows up again or comes from the outer realm.

1:14:51 Yeah. No that would make things interesting. No, the the this Creator he he created the will and will does what it does. And will tries to fix herself by doing things. So the Creator's not necessarily doing all of these things, but will is trying to fix itself. Okay, real Wills as will I'll Wheels. Which, you know, the concept of events. I said, I'm only two books in 2013, 14 book, think. So I have a ways to go, but I'm intrigued because the beginning of the great hunt, the first opening chapter has me going, oh, you know, because, you know, I want these people who I'll get bored, I'll pull out, you know, a piece of paper and I'll start right now.

1:15:42 Yo yo your charts and stuff trying to feel piece it together. Reincarnation is a very important thing in this world that's what the wheel does, right? Are we have the dragon reborn? Yeah and I would assume that in addition to people objects and things that keep reincarnated Concepts ideas, also get reincarnated. So yeah, like that should be. Yeah. I mean, if you think about it with the Tinkers, you know, you said they probably don't remember what their original purpose was. But some of the stuff I've been doing, I mean, I kind of get that with Lord saying like the ideas that kind of, you know, they kind of are reborn as well. Yeah, I mean, there are again, 3,000 years. There are powers that have been lost. There are because they haven't been Ben, this sounds kind of crude, but since they've been offering the men who can channel the kind of being your genetic diversity. That's why I survived are weaker and weaker and weaker, because they're not, they're not creating stronger children because then that, you know, maybe with males, who can channel.

1:17:02 So, yeah, so you're getting a lot of the wheel is trying to really fix himself. It's going to spin out more powerful individuals. Then necessary to try to fix itself. I could see that happening because, you know, I didn't think about the genetic but you're right because if you cut off a different sire lines and just use it as a general term, yeah, I can see that the one to reach the do a hard reset because, you know, there has to be somebody who is particularly strong or gifted in one area that you're going to need down the line for something that may be coming up or being be. Rewarding it IE some I used to be a very powerful Fire Starter because you're going to have to need it in the battle 20 years down the road so they have to be born with you kill. Dad, they're never born.

1:17:56 Yeah. So they compensate by having someone who can control wind as an opposite effect or you just spin out someone who controls everything you can put all in one person or two people or three people as opposed to spreading it. Doubt over 20 or 30, right? Yeah, right, yeah. So this is going to be fun times. I'm looking forward to see how they're going to do this. But yeah, the dragon reborn is going to be powerful bit. There are, there are things that have been lost. That have to come back in order for them to win this war. The final battle is coming.

1:18:46 Okay. Let's see. Is there anything else we need to talk about for this episode? Let me look at my notes except for the fact that, when when land Moraine and I'm not naive meet up with the other ice to Die, the red eyes was what is her name? Landrum Lee and hren she gives off a certain are like the cancer perfectly take after perfectly. See yes, it's like I don't know what to say about her but she gives off a certain air but They have apparently captured this guy who claims that he is the dragon reborn.

1:19:40 So that's going to be interesting little game hablar. Yes. Are these names? Were they killing me again? Yes. But they're not. Normal means nine Eve. Like how the cookie saying that knave? Yeah, I know and I know Kind of correct myself. My name is difficult because their names egwene and they gave me, you know? More more with it more rain, which I guess is halfway normal. Let's see. More rain, I went and Drew rein actually looks like the way it's spelled egwene. Even looks like the way it's spelled for me nine. A nine Eve.

1:20:29 Her name is NY Nae. That's Nate's to me when you read it, at least the way that, you know, we've been taught. So, it's just where I'll get it because I'm one of those Sighs. I'm very particular about pronouncing people's names right? Because people fuck my name up all the time so yeah, I'll get it. No game is interesting. Like Landrieu says, she tells mom Moraine. Oh yeah, he's running around calling himself the dragon reborn. My he had in it. All right, and you know what? Kind of heat that brings. So what kind of person does he have to be to be running around? Right?

1:21:13 We don't learn some interesting things about him, okay? I think, I think we cover pretty much most of it. Y'all have any final thoughts about this episode. My we just come on my, you push through. I know, I know you're trying to get through episode 4 and it's hard, but I guarantee you that back half of that episode is so fucking worth it. I'm just, I don't know, you know, opening. And I always Talk about sometimes with new series, You Gotta Give it three or four episodes before it really starts like kicking kicking, some dirt, you have to do this with this series, because, yes, the first three episodes are kind of slow. They do kind of build the character stores and everything, but I'm telling you that fourth episode from that, fourth episode on this like, whoa, whoa, you got to get that fourth episode, their fourth episode.

1:22:11 You going to be on the next. Never let me tell you. Yeah, it's, it's a pretty. Yeah, just push through brother, push through. I'm gonna push through on cuddling cuz you cuz you said I needed to, I'm gonna try. Well, I'm sorry. I'm no quitter episode 5. This is wrong. Yeah, I have some thoughts on episode five. So yeah, we'll talk about that when we get. Get to it but I guess for episode 3, that's it for our show. You can find us online at www.haddadhyundai.com. We are on social media, on Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter. At the end of hybrid.

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