The Wheel of Time S1E7 - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #231

0:25 Was the Pirates, welcome back to another episode of The Phantom hybrid podcast. This is hanako and I'm here with Anthony and Laurie and we are discussing episode 7 of The Wheel of Time series. And I like this episode because you get a little backstory at the beginning and towards the middle, we kind of find out Rands his origin story. If you will in this GIF it wasn't words and story following yes. Finally, you know, we have this woman who is obviously a warrior, she's in some Snowy Mountain. She's running, seems like she's running for her life and I didn't realize at first that she was pregnant. So she sat down and you saw a grabber stomach. And I was like, oh wait.

1:13 It's a premium pregnant you somebody Mama because of course she has. She has, you know. She has a wrap on her head so you can't really see her hair. But someone comes at her with a spear and let me tell you I was sitting here watching this whole opening sequence like this is one of the baddest bitches in the world because this woman is pregnant fully pregnant. Answer her. Baby soldiers are coming after her and she is kicking their ass. Like multiple, you've got a couple of them coming at her at the same time, two of them. Then there's one point where she's fighting three of them at the same time. And she is holding her own but only way she even got hurt. She got stabbed by one because he caught her in the middle of a contraction.

2:09 Hmm. I was like, wait a minute. Who is this woman? Like we don't really know anything about her except for what we see in this flashback and in the flashback later on, after she has given birth. But I was like, I need to know who this woman was. Do they talk about who she is in the series at all? You mean in the television series in the book like oh, oh, yes, we do. We know who she is? Oh, okay, yeah, you find out who she is, okay. Because I was like, well, then no, she is to you. I won't. I mean, aside from the fact that we, we just figured out that she's Ran's mother.

2:50 Yes, you know, she's a she of course she is with the Ajo Ajo, this is during the at. Yeah, this is during IU, the first idea War, okay? And remember the The prophecy said that the Dragon. The prophecy that someone and Marines told yes, that the dragon was being born on Dragon mouth, right then. And this is when that was happening, okay? So this is when I think was just Hara more. So was her name and this is when she started having her vision was that the same time?

3:39 So this. So This basically is tying into our theme for the year of the the theory and legends type you know King being born type of a thing right? Yeah this relates to where marine and Swan we're talking about the vision that I was being born right right. Okay. But yeah. So she's fighting in this beginning, then, of course, after she kills everyone, including the person who stabbed her in the side, no less. I'm like, this is well, I guess they didn't care but I was like, this is a pregnant woman. You stab her in the side, like how low down is that? Like he got the death he deserve but you can tell the eye you are very serious Warriors. They are very I think I talked about this before they very much.

4:26 Like the Doom, they're the same as the on Freeman. Yeah, they're very similar and she is a maiden of the spear and they are the absolute fiercest Warriors that. Yeah. Yeah. Well because like I said, she was in labor, having contractions, and she was an active labor, because even while she's fighting, she's having contractions. We know look, I know those contractions were less than 5 minutes apart. She was about to have that baby. She was like, y'all are not about to kill me while I'm trying to have this baby or I think maybe she was worried about the baby whichever the case was she was whipping some ass and I was just looking at that.

5:10 Like I think the first time I watched this episode I rewound that seen a couple of times just to watch because if you didn't know she was pregnant you would have never known she was pregnant the way she was moving the way she was jumping up in the air. And just amazing, amazing. There. And as a side note, shout out to the actress. Her name is Magdalena, so Tova, and she is actually a stunt person. Well, and we seen her work and doom, and underworld Carnival row. She's been a lot of different things in the stem person. Okay, well, well earn.

5:55 Because she gave some spunk and some personality to this character. I don't even think we never heard of other word. We never heard her. Like we again, we don't know her name, we don't really know anything about her except for what we see on the screen at this point. You know, after she kills the man, she takes one of the cape's. She tears her clothes so that she could try to have this baby and then there's a spear or sword pointed at her in the midst of her pushing and it's one of these soldiers that she was fighting. Now we see later on in The episode that this ends up being rants father, and he helps her deliver the baby and then she dies.

6:45 And that's how he ends up with ran. But I didn't see you see a clue with his sword? Yes, the Heron mark on it, which is the same as land sword, because he's a blade Master, just like land, okay? And only blade Masters can put that here in Mark the little bird on their sword. Okay. Okay. But yeah, badass complete badass. So I was like, okay, hopefully Ram comes by it, honestly, hopefully he gets that, you know, that same amount of skill but I don't know. We'll have to see So, anyway, going into the episode after that introduction. Everyone is in the ways except for Matt, Matt, took a look at the doorway and the last episode he was like, nope not going to do it, absolutely not.

7:41 He kind of stayed behind so did you ever see any man, the new version of Candyman? No, I did not. Okay. This is a single one of the characters, opens the door to a basement, and she looks, he's dark. And she's like, nope, and closes the door. This helmet. Yeah, but you know our little Travelers they're going through the waves and of course, there's a little bit of, there's some discussion and disagreement there because of course, ran wants to go back for Matt and not eat white.

8:26 Nine Eve also wants to go back for him and Moraine is trying to tell them. Look, he made, His choice. We have to go further. We have to go further. We have to finish this. We have to keep moving forward. And I think this is the part where you start to see a little bit of the breakdown in between the group, like I know the things that happened in the ways while they're there, you know, they get caught by this black Wind and The Black Wind starts Whispering like their deepest insecurities to them. And you can see it through the rest of the episode, how that kind of comes in between all of them there, they're all, they're kind of at odds. You know, there's some things there that cannot be taken back and that sort of thing.

9:12 But it's almost like at once they get into the ways, you can feel whatever evil that's in there trying to pull them apart and you know, there's something that said later on In the episode moragne, she goes to see a Seer and the Seer is looking at the four of them 9 EV gwaine Rand and parent and she's telling Moraine different little things about them and Moraine is trying to figure out which one is the dragon. She was like do you see anyone's Vision stronger than the others? And she said, no, they're all linked, they're all like it.

9:54 Like she saying they're all Equally as important and I thought about us talking in the last episode because I was like you know there was a mention by I think it was so on when they were talking about the fact that there were five potential dragons all in the same Village and we talked about how they had this connection to each other and I was just still wondering like okay so can it be that just that all five of them have to be in sync in order for the dragon to be reborn? This Time. I think what was it? That's why I said, why would the wheels of let the dragon soul in two separate pieces? And you said that they it wouldn't do that with the right. No wonder.

10:37 It wouldn't do that. And if they did that they would be absolutely billion amongst most of the faithful. Okay. Yeah, it would be such a departure from anything that would remotely resemble Google of times like you Completely, like go against the Lord and everything else. The will of time is very much about time. Turning things being reborn. People being reincarnated souls are whole Souls. Cannot be put into pieces. And if you do that, our crisis, no Hulk Rex's, not nothing, miss you, and not at all.

11:17 It would be totally, it wouldn't even be will of time anymore. And they're point. I would, I'll be like we can't do the podcast or you just can't because It's just, it would be, I would be. So I can even tell you how, I feel, I'll be beside myself. Okay. Let me, they have already done things that are such a departure from the show like that would be. The one thing you mean from the books from the book that there were just complete absolutely ruin it for me like we're not talking about, you know, making vampires shine in sunlight. We're talking about absolutely changing the The very structure of what The Wheel of Time is, okay?

11:58 Okay, there isn't even a hint of a. So, okay, there's a case of Two. Souls occupying, the same body, Okay, now that is a theme in the book. But splitting ASL spring or Soul into pieces, know that, that would not work it. So you think that's probably more misdirection for those of us who are not familiar with the books. I think it was, I think it was trying to maybe a little bit but I think mostly to show that they're all equally important. Okay?

12:39 Now, remember, I was, I was trying not to give away too much, but the last battle is near And there aren't, there are any isid. I were Chandler's is powerful as a forsaken because the time where the Forsaken is from, like the Golden Age, those eyes, who died are extremely powerful. So the wheel had to put out, Equally powerful eyes to die to. At least give the Light Side a chance, okay. And that's why Yugi queen and I need and why even though not naive Wayne hasn't shown her full power yet, but we have seen iguana needs full power. Yeah, several times.

13:28 Yeah. And and you know Emma rained and so on and all the current ice Dai Li and Ranbir not Nearly enough to defeat before seeking it, just not powerful enough. Okay? If Thief track, along with the book, they just aren't powerful enough and the will put out people like parent to help and people like men, the the tell the Seer, okay, these people are being spun out land. They're out in this time because they are the people that ran is going to need. I mean we haven't Scratch, the surface of the people that he needs, right?

14:10 So, yeah, there's that. Okay. Okay. But back to the ways I wanted to mention, I don't know if I talked about this on the show but the ways the old gear, which were loyal is with their from their call standings and their different standings around the place. Hmm, weighing the aiso died. Yeah. When I said, I've sealed the board, seal the dark one's prison, he tainted the male side. Right? That's the basis of the show. Well, the standings were the only places that the mail, I stacker, go and find Comfort, okay? And the old gear allowed to go to the standings, this was before the breaking.

14:51 So as a gift to the or gear, the mill Chandler's, the mail acid, I built the ways they used side to side the side Dean to build the waist and the Using sort of like, the theory of the portal Stones, was a portal Stones. Were able to teleport people from one place to another. There are other ways they do it, but they created the waves. And inside of the ways, were like ramps and Pathways, they were these Lush Gardens because that's with your gear, did, they were Builders, they built things, it was like beautiful, but because it was built with the male side of the one power it also became corrected.

15:35 Okay. Yeah. Because L'Oreal mentions that as they're walking through the ways, you know, he's like, you know, it's hard to think that this used to be much Gardens and trees. And, you know, just the ways that he was talking about, it's kind of like, it's a whole different thing that because, of course, his darkest dreary, it's, you know, it's a lot of stone. There is a void there that you can fall into again. Like I said, it reminded me of Lord, of the Rings when they were in the mines of Moria. Leah trying to get out. It has a very similar field for me and I think that's that's intentional because you're the requests that are on requires them to go through a dungeon, a dark path way to get to their goal.

16:22 Yeah that's a Trope. It is it is and my the Black Wind, my chin chin. Is there a lot of theories about whether it is but it may have been a parasite that was in there that got corrupted. Well and just kind of X. OK. Or this could be a part of that corruption that's in there because you know, the waves are just completely corrupted. They are appear the old year, do have a remember, I talked about the terrain Grill. The our Grill in the Sangre, oh yes. Instead of using the one power they actually use interrogatory. Oh, that would open and close the they could actually build new Pathways. But Once the breaking happened, and it will actually when it became corrupted, they stopped making new Pathways, okay, okay. But that was a gift from the men, and it's like this because of that, that corruption that was in their mail their side of the power.

17:23 Okay, okay, so, yes. I as a walking through the ways, you know, you have these different low conversations going on, where, I think Moraine and lamb we're talking about. So what if it was Matt? And you know, Moraine is kind of like, well, you know, he did have the darkness and the Darkness was, you know, the darkness from the dagger was feeding off of him as much as he was feeding off of it and then last says, well what if it's him and I was like, I know he's talking about ran and I know she knows he's talking about Ram but at the same time it's kind of like what parent is still there too. So obviously Karen.

18:03 Is not. He's not the Dragon. But he is something else that could be powerful, right? And this, so it's a weird because as they're walking through these, this dark, you know, the cavern is Pitch Black, except, for where they have their torches, and he's walking, and he was like, there's something up ahead and, you know, the camera pans to the front and there's nothing but black day, I was like, oh, those Wolfie eyes are starting to come in handy, huh? Yeah, but then the werewolves in this world, it's not In the ways are in this world period.

18:44 This in this world period, okay? So so if he is something he's not a werewolf, really like maybe a shape-shifter or something werewolves as we know them. Do not exist. Okay. In this world I'm picking up what you're putting down, I got you. So he is a okay, there are shape. Shifters there's werewolves and then there are going back to Tru blood To Nature where they're both at the same time but they're not necessarily one of the other. So, is he is this genetic or is this Magic based? Is that woman. I don't want to know. Oh no, well I'm just asking the question because I that's one of the few things because I read the first book that really got my attention because whenever they bring someone like that out into a story, they're not going to be the final hero, but they are going to have a very Evie, assistant type role. And usually it's something that involves them that's going to help the person get to the next level. So for him, he's one of the most interesting characters about the whole series for me.

19:54 Hmm. Waste, your typical Quest Trope and fantasy, you have the night, you have a beast, you have a princess and you have religious power than yeah. Right. And you have the Sorceress or sorcerer, I mean you you have all the elements you had two Rogue but he decided not to come right. You have all here elements of a good fantasy stupid. Well, it's like I was, I got was I started tell you earlier this whole thing that I'm watching it because I've been reading Fiction science fiction fantasy, all my life. So you but this reminds me of a either a dumb down Dungeons and Dragons or a domed up forgotten around storyline.

20:38 Basically, you just don't have driven anywhere or Tesla Health burfoot, but this is what it's like, you have a coloring book check mark here. Check mark here, check mark here, it's like down the line but the question is is how effectively did they? Tell the story because just like Laura's Rings. Just like The Hobbit movies, just like some of the other fancy stuff that I've watched inara. They start out with the premise. But in order to appeal to the TV audience, they kind of go off on her own because they think. Well, how about this? How that I say, instead of doing all that? How about you for once like the expanse, did put out the actual story and see whether or not the audience liked it and then go back and tweak its second season.

21:23 I mean, that's my two cents in. If they get a second season, you know, we just had this conversation on Arthurian Legends, show about how a lot of these shows. They don't even get a chance to prove yourselves in, right? You can season because a lot of these streamer platforms are a lot of these companies are so quick to cancel them in the first. Now this hat, we don't so we don't know about second season for this, right? For will time. Yeah, yeah they're yeah. And I think they got renewed for a third season especially while talking about going on a leap of faith. Okay. Yeah, they renewed it for two seasons at the same time and this was I think maybe right before the end of the first season, again, we're kind of recording this episode a little bit after you know, the the first season premiere. But yeah, I think they got renewed for season 2, Season 3 matter.

22:18 Fact, we already have a teaser trailer for season two, and I think season to a supposed to Premiere sometime later on this year, but I don't think they've, I don't think they've announced a date yet. They probably will, maybe around. I would assume they're probably going to announce a date around Comic-Con. Okay, they'll probably have a full trailer by being see. Here's, here's my other little nitpick. We watch a lot of fans. And I keep going back to what I consider the gold standard showing boat every time I watch the fancy like show these days I compared the shell and Bone. I don't mean to laugh settlement bones.

23:00 Go standard really. Yes? Okay, yes, it is the gold standard because discovery, which is no longer on TV and that was definitely a gold standard should have got one more season but I mean, it's like You watch the stuff you want to watch this. Every, if I had my choice, I would watch Star Trek, Star Wars Doctor, Who and fantasy all day long. Okay. Literally, you know, in and out of that order and give me a good fantasy. Give me, you know what I have? But yeah, So yeah gold standard yeah I kind of I kind of agree with Lori in that because Shadow and bone is one of the shows that I feel when they did the adaptation from book to scream, you know one of the one of the things that was different about it is that there are two separate Series in this book universe that deal with two separate sets of characters and the show.

24:07 Very seamlessly wove, those stories together to create the show and I think it is one of the better adaptations out there because they did keep a lot of things that were Central to the books and they did tweak some other things but the things that they tweak I feel enhance the story as opposed to taking away from it. You know. I agree 100%. Yeah okay there there are two things. The two things like in am I looking at it as an adaptation and how it's done as the adaptation? Where am I looking at it as a standalone show without consideration of the source material? If I'm watching Wheel of Time as just the show itself and not considering adaptation, it's actually not bad. It's beautifully shot.

24:58 The acting is actually pretty decent the, the pacing is a little off, but when I compare it to Shadow and Bone, For me it's a toe bone. Is if e to me, it's not I don't know, I'm not is into the world as I am with the world here. I think the characters here appealed to me slightly more than the characters in Shadow and bone health, because you bully. Brings it all down for me because I cannot stand this for, and his kills me, whatever. That's fair. But I had to take my dress. For shot. But but I understand which all is saying he said, no bone, their production quality is a little bit better, then the production quality of this show but the effects in this show, I think are much better than showing bone. I think is really just a personal preference happening. I just take issue with chattering boy, band called the gold standard.

26:00 I'm just basically, I think Lord of the Rings. The ring of power is gold standard to me now, I I like everything about this show, I haven't seen it by. I'm going to actually give you that because what I have seen, gorgeously shot the the characters, the costumes. Like I said, I'll get into that maybe this summer depending on when I have time. But I'll give you the standard Of all standards is of course, the Lord of the Rings movies, once you get those, you move yourself down. Okay, we talked briefly about Mists of Avalon, that is another gold standard as far as shooting and filming and then you move your move your weight out. If this was dragonlance and they decide to do, I'm going to pull one out of my hat Legend of whom, which is a huge story that they told later on.

26:49 I think it was about book, 18 or 19 of the series, but it is so legendary about Out this mythical Warrior / dragon and how they found it and took over the world and took it down. There was a prophecy know that if they would say, hey we're going to do that and Amazon's going to do it and we have Wheel of Time. I'm actually probably going to watch the Dragon launch Legend of whom I because I'm watching this and it's grainy on me because I want the ice and I to be better, I want more just shush. And like I said, if we weren't podcasting, I probably would watch this, hmm because I it's just it just gets under my skin just a little bit. And the only other thing I want to say is as far as the quest rope goes in, you have Shadow and Bone and you have the little time which pretty much follows the standards. It's a little bit different because sometimes the Riders will do the Trope differently because they don't want it to be like, with the what we traditionally know, as a quest. Rope, right.

27:57 Did you all your standard characters? That's why I like doing is a power. So much is it doesn't necessarily follow the quest. True. Okay, right. You know, I don't see right now, but it doesn't seem like it's going to track that way at all. Okay, is this day? The Shadow and Bone? You have all of your different players are all separated and I guess at some point they will come together, but, whatever Quest they have for here, we start out with the group together and being their quizzing together. And now they're starting to fall apart. Uh-huh. So I actually like the quest rope a lot and most all fantasy and we But it's all fantasy and sci-fi fantasy will kind of follow the same. You see it?

28:40 The more you read, the more you see it and somebody was like to do it differently than others. And sometimes the way The Wheel of Time is doing the show may not necessarily be your cup of tea, as opposed to seeing the relationships, develop in something, like Shadow and Bone. Where, you know, at some point, they're all going to come together. But you see the different pieces there. Yeah. That may appeal more to some People as well. Yeah. But like you say, even the writers of even the writers of dance show knew that they had to go get the other book and incorporated into the show because Shadow and Bone. By itself wasn't going to be enough to support the show. Yeah. I think as a show, it would have been very one-dimensional and it would have, it literally would have bled into everything else, you know, just kind of gotten lost in the shuffle. And I think the addition of the crows, really enhance the story because also to like with the books, there are so many other things going on with other characters that we have not gotten and probably will not get the second season is going to be interesting because they are talking about bringing elements of both the second and third book into it. So we'll see.

29:59 But going back to the will of time I actually and maybe this is because Cuz I don't know anything about the literary version of the story, but I actually have no problems with the way that they're telling the show, you know, there have been a couple of times where it's just kind of like, okay. I feel like we need more information but also I know that a lot of times with shows like this they'll tell us the story that's that's happening now and then like we got at the beginning of this episode, you get little pieces of the past to kind of come in and fill in those elements and then you get You get other elements of the story told in different ways that that were completely unexpected.

30:41 Like, I completely did not expect the whole thing with lands back story that came out of nowhere for me but I love the way that they told it because I feel like it came about very organically like of course he's in this he's in this new place that we've not been introduced to and it's like when They walk into the callous immediately. Everyone there is like showing him respect which if you think about the way that they've Set This World up. You know, that I said I are the important ones. In the waters are important but they're not as important as I said I, you know, they're very basically, as props as support. and so the fact that when, when they walk in is more rain and land together and everyone They greet him first and they say, you know, the dai-chien that nickname, I was like, okay, that's something important because the way the is almost like the roles reversed with them, like they spoke to him first and then they spoke to meringue even the leader. The lord of the castle spoke to land first and then spoke to her.

32:01 And, you know, they throw a little things in there. Like the guy said, welcome home, you know, you great ugly, bastard. Something, you know, just very playful, but I was like, okay. So this is where land is from So naturally they would greet him but it's the level of respect that you see them show him and I was like, oh he's something, he's somebody very important here we can if you want to keep going with the other stuff, we can Circle back to land, we can oh, cuz this, oh we're definitely coming back to Circle back to land because the way that that story even came out, I'm like, oh yes, we need to talk about that. But yeah, let's go back to let's go back to the So yeah, while they're sitting there resting, of course.

32:50 At rollick shows up and this is Apparently one of the things that's not supposed to happen like Charlie's or not supposed to be in the ways, but as they mentioned, that could explain how the Tri-Lakes got to the two rivers undetected because that has been the question. Even when meringue was at the tower, they were like, so how to try? Looks like thousands of trolleys. Get to the two rivers and you didn't warn anybody and she's like well I kind of didn't know they were coming. How did you not know this? But if they were traveling through this, mystical magical, interdimensional space, then, no one would know, you know, but the child looks come and they start running. And, you know, they mentioned my marching Shin, which is the black, when black member and tells them, whatever it says, human my attention, will try to talk to you or we'll talk to you.

33:49 We'll speak to you. Don't listen to anything. It says. And then Matthew Shin starts talking and the things we hear him say to the different people, like he tells Moraine that she's leading them to their deaths. She's not going to be able to accomplish anything that that she wants. It tells 9 Eve that she won't be able to protect them. She's going to hear their screams just like she heard her parents frames. It tells pairing that you really wanted Layla to die Because You Loved another woman more than you loved your wife and it tells it tells egwene you're an imposter imposter.

34:38 Yeah. You're an imposter fraud and it tells ran, you know Wayne will never love you as much as you loved her. She loved she left you want, she'll leave you again and man. I think it says something to him about you. You won't be able to protect her. And I was just like, Okay, so this thing is basically telling everybody. They're, you know, their deepest darkest fear, right? Yeah. But if almost like it affected, 95 more because it says, you know, you won't be able to protect them. They'll die screaming. Just as you're just like, you heard your parents, you'll do nothing to save them and she's like, okay, you know, what?

35:23 Fuck you And she stands up on like one of the purchase and what it said, one by one, one by one, you'll have nothing, you'll have no, you have nothing and no one and she gets up there lad tried to stop her and she's just walking and she lets out this know and this scream and this big ball of white light. And, and that's a crazy thing. It was contained, it's not like it was white light all over, she made. This ball to protect all of them from the black win and I was like, yeah. There's something more to this girl than they. All have any idea about it because she was powerful. And I think this was the first time that pairing and egwene really saw her do that.

36:13 I don't think. I don't think ran has seen it either, but we didn't see like his reaction, but you see parent and you see it Gwen looking at her. Like, holy shit. Is she, I think only was Moran was even conscious when she healed everyone. I don't think so. I don't think anybody was I don't have to go back. See, who ran into the cake? Because she ran into the cave? Yes, some of the sheet but she was one of the people who also got injured when yeah, the Falls Dragon. I forgot what it was. He exploded something. Then there it was it was either accept or dagger things at X. I think it was an axe because there were a lot of pieces that went into all those people.

37:01 So I don't know. Maybe more rain saw a little bit, but I don't remember, I don't think she knew it had to be a lot because he healed everybody. Yeah, yeah. So But yes, a wild nine Eve is blocking the Black Wind from getting to them. More rain is opening up a portal to go to not not to where they want it to go. But to go to I forgot what was the name of the place. Was here Farm adding hmm I can't remember file dhara. Yes that one that one for dark but there was something interesting in the case when the Black Wind was coming at them and the trollops were coming towards them. And I wasn't sure if I saw it correctly, until he appeared later on in the episode.

38:03 But Pat and fame was in the waves and I was like Oh him evil. That was like that. Like and I don't know. Of course we don't really see him much through the rest of the episode. There's a scene where a parent and egwene all of them, they're walking through the town and Perón seized him and he stops and he looks and I need is like, what's wrong. He was like, just saw Pat in vain and she was like, No, he was in the he was in the two rivers. When the trollops attacked, he's dead and parent is like, I know what I saw. I know what my Wolfie whatever.

38:50 We are golden, I saw that was panting faint. So I was like, okay. So obviously he has some nefarious thing that he's a part of, but again we don't really see him in this episode. You see them briefly in the cave, you see him when he walks out of the caves. oh, and you see him when he's walking through the city, but I was like So was he the one that left the Tri-Lakes in the ways and if so then what does that mean he is because when we first meet him he's just a you know he's just a cart vendor. Yeah, I don't know to keep the book and visceral separate, I don't know where they're going with him, so I don't want to say, he's not the one that brought the trailer, okay?

39:39 I don't want to say that but it just shows making me think that The way they're riding it, he did. Okay? See, I get that too because I'm a dancing with the books versus the TV. That me there wasn't anything. He would have had a girl, he would have gone all the way to the blight, find a portal that he could open and then he went first and then sent the trial in the tribes came through later but he I don't know. I don't know. Of it, you know, don't really math for me. Okay.

40:19 But I could see kind of withered that, that might be one of the things were going with. So so answer, my question is, is that if you are a follower obviously he is, but do you get power? The more devoted you are to the cause or do they just give you like, just a, like a one time, maybe Extra Protection and then you serve do their bidding type of a thing. It's a difficult question. Oh come on, okay let me ask a simpler one, well I'll tell you. Okay, in general, there is the true source. Which were all the power comes from. And then there's the one power in the 1 power is divided into citing inside are just a male and female side of the power.

41:06 The one power, the dark one he does have the ability to give people access to the true Source. Okay? And if it's almost a now, the peasant thing is not a Channeler, okay? Alright. That's kind of what they consider. A dark friend Die free. This looks like there. That's what it, because that seems like you. Like he's looking like he's a dark, okay. He's also sort of Con man, like he sort of out for himself and is trying to get over on people and he could also be looking at this as a way to kind of, he's is his his desire to want to have more and take from people could be something that The Dark One is using to manipulate, okay? Okay, but he could also be dark friend but like right now, the dart friends don't try to be out in the open too much because I said, I tend to squash them.

42:07 Well, actually, he wasn't either like he was in the caves and the only reason why I saw him was because you had the light from 9 Eve's. I don't even know what you want to call a reaction explosion whatever. And you just kind of saw him over to the side and it's almost like the way that with the coloring of his clothes and the way that the the lighting was if you weren't really paying attention you would have missed them. Hmm. Like it's so he wasn't there obviously and then obviously he came out long after they had already entered the city and you know I don't know if him passing by pairing in the city was something on purpose but nobody else noticed him it was clearly on Purpose because he was laughing, he walked by oh, was he?

43:01 I didn't even know. He was laughing laughing from behind. He was laughing. And he also did that earlier. When he popped up in the background we didn't see, he was smiling too. So this is like a game for him. But yes, I do believe they're trying to make him out to be a dark friend, but I also consider the possibility that they're they're going to milled a lot of characters together. And it's possible that they're going to melt him with another character that shows up later. So I'm still trying to figure that out, okay? But for the purposes of this show because like the bartender, she was a dark friend but you didn't know it until she told.

43:46 Told you and that's usually how dark friend operate. Oh, okay. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was thinking about the bartender that was in this. Oh, no, not me. Yeah. Yeah. Mean is not, okay? Okay. So they come through. So the answer Lori's original question is yes, but it doesn't have, it doesn't really have anything to do with devotion. When he does that, okay? Okay, okay. Just yeah, that was in the back of my mind because like I said you see him pops up Pops in pops out. So okay, all the Forsaken are formally former I see that so they already have access to the world to know that I'm sorry.

44:32 Okay? It was saving that during the Golden Age. 3,000 years ago. Those I've survived it turned to the dark side. The Forsaken. Okay. Okay. All right. Okay, so they're out of the ways now they're answering filed hour and I was like--. I'm guessing lands. Identity is not really that much of a secret because L'Oreal when they were walking through the gates, he said, how long has it been since you stepped inside these Gates land? Never answered him. But I was like, I was a lawyer, I'll knows that this is where land is from. So is Lands identity well-known.

45:18 Yes, okay. Okay. Yeah, he's malky here is his home? Mmm. Yeah, I'm out here. As the Borderlands, they board along the blight for Dora and and sign our or different places Malik here is further north okay. And it was overtaken by Charlie's in the blight, okay? And the blight is something like they started mentioning this thing in this episode and I was like, what is the blight? Yeah. They there's one criticism that I really have this show is they don't give you a lot of necessary information. Buy things that you need to know like I don't know if they were holding back about the blight for some reason I think I mentioned in passing before but the Bly is fairly important.

46:06 Yeah yeah. And it's fairly huge from what we see at the end of the episode because we see random more rain, getting ready to answer it and it's like this I don't even know how to describe it. It's almost like this. Huge magical overgrowth, that literally swallows up cities before. It's the Forbidden Forest. But yeah. Okay. It is, it is okay. I'm going not going to get too technical, but this is how I like to describe it is the dark ones physical manifestation of his corruption in the world. Okay. And it looks like those Vines From Evolution that I was talking about on another show, but yeah, that it looks like and it's just creeping, is, is creeping down and the Tropics living me.

46:57 And that's, that's what the shinar and father. That's where all this would be talk about fighting all the time, okay? If they're, they're keeping the trial except at Bay Ryan baby. And apparently this thing takes over, like, it takes over the land, it takes over their cities. And that's what happened to the seven towers of Mac here that would land us from overtake. And we find that out, we'll talk about, we'll talk about that later because I got some other stuff to tie in with that whole conversation. But like I mentioned earlier, this is where we realized, you know, like I said, you realize that land is someone important because of the way that the soldiers when they come in and they see him it's like their whole body language. JH like they stood up straighter and they, you know, they bout to him, they show them respect, and it's just the way that they said that name died.

47:53 Shin is like, oh, he's important because they're speaking to him. They haven't even addressed more rain yet. And I don't even think they address Moraine until they're in the throne room with Lord Albemarle. that's so I was like okay Lan is kinda sorta important here and this Lord he is he is respectful towards land, he's respectful towards Moraine For bitch. And then he's not disrespectful towards Moraine but he's very arrogant because before she can even say what they were there for.

48:38 He immediately assumes that the I said I sent her because the blight is creeping up and he was like we know how to protect our own. We don't need any help from outside, blah, blah, blah, blah blah. And she was like if you would let me finish and then that's when he was like, oh okay. But that's when, you know, she was telling him, that's just they were coming with a warning that, you know, the dragon is gathering his forces and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and he's just sitting there looking. And the other thing that bothered me was the way he talked about his sister because his sister beautiful woman. Apparently powerful she mentioned, they mentioned later on that. She did go to the the White Tower. She did train with the I said, I and apparently she was not strong enough to become One of them but she is still, you know, I guess power.

49:30 Yeah. Be I have mentioned before that the royal family of the different kingdoms with sin. They're princesses or you know anyone who's going to marry into the royal family, possibly being the wife of a king or queen or if they're going to be a queen they all go to the White Tower to train, okay? And build find out if they have power in that and if not, they still stay there and train them because you know, Rod. So that I like to manipulate everything. And, you know, earlier, I think you said something about, people respect the ice of that, most of the common folk are very distrustful, so that's that and even more. So the Borderland people, they don't trust a lot of people who aren't from the Borderlands, definitely do not trust. Okay.

50:24 Definitely do not trust. I stock and most Most of your kingdoms most of them, you know, even when you go to a lien and tear, they don't care too much for the eyes of that, but that's that tend to have their hands and everything trying to manipulate everything. I mean, that's why they that's why they drove swan out when she used her power. Yeah. Because she's even the tear. Yeah. And even low gain when little game he was dead serious. When you say, you know, ten years ago if I had said anything against us die. I've been slaving hung and all that stuff right now. She had nobody to chastise that. Yeah.

51:04 Yeah. Which in Robert and Robert George's Brilliance is showing how imbalanced the world is because there was a time when everyone trusted I survived but then I said I broke the world. So okay. You know, the other, the other funny thing that I noticed in this scene where, you know, of course, I'm starting to notice the the chain or the shift in Attitude between land and Moraine when they appear in front of Loreal. Gamar. Lan looks like, even though they just came out of the ways and they were fighting and all this other stuff, land looks very neat very well presented.

51:51 Very well put together and Moraine looks like she has been run through the wringer and I was like oh this is interesting how they I don't know if that was on purpose but every time that we've seen a rain she's been very neatly quaffed. She's been very Regal in her presentation and in this one like you can tell she has been through some shit and I just thought that was very interesting because again this is where I noticed. Even before he met his reveal. Oh, Lana someone important in this place, you know, in this city. I mean, even the Lord spoke to him with kind of, you know, reverence, in a way, it sounds like we will Circle back to that.

52:38 Yeah. All right. But you know, she starts telling him about the Tri-Lakes and the attack and how they may be using the ways. And I will say this for him to be as arrogant as he is. And for him to say, oh we can protect our own blah, blah blah. She was like, okay, why I come to you with a warning? The Tri-Lakes are moving through the ways and you may want to go ahead. He was she was like, I know you can protect against the blight but you may want to go ahead and put a team outside of your Doorway just in case and he looked at her, he looked at his head of security.

53:20 He was like, do what she says and I was like, okay, this is one of the things I liked about him. I mean, we just saw him in this brief saying, but most of the time, when we're given scenes with a male leader, who has to deal with a female in a position of power, who is trying to give him information. When that he does not, otherwise have most of the times they treated very arrogantly, they treated like oh, you know, you woman. You don't know what you're talking about. I'm not going to pay attention to you or you're overreacting and he doesn't like whatever his feelings maybe about the Aisa die or anything, or how, you know, proud key is about the fact that they can hold their own.

54:08 When she says it, he actually listens. And then he tells his people. Okay, go do what she said. Yeah, he's not, he's not stupid. And as much as people especially the but noble men, especially the royalty of the different countries. Don't like I said that they didn't know that they know what they're talking about, right? You know. They don't want to be manipulated by him there. Sure enough. We'll listen to them and their counsel, and considerate. So he does have to show her that that. Yes, I'm the king here. This is Mike. Country. We know what we're doing and she's like, yeah, but you may want to do this. He's like, okay because I make sure that that I'm not here to counsel you. Yeah.

54:53 I'm just telling you what, you know, and, and she was very complimentary sir I know are any. I said, I have any doubts that you were able to keep the blight at Bay, like we know, you can protect your company, your country. But yeah, you might want to know. They are sneaking through the pathway that they're not supposed to be in. In. So they may show up on your doorstep and then you'll have to deal with the blight but rowlocks hmm it's like okay yeah let's go take care of that. so yeah, I thought that was I thought that was very interesting you know, that they kind of made that difference because when she said it, he kind of setup and he was looking at her like Oh, okay. And you see him kind of sit down and consider it. He looked over at a security while the secured and his sister would looking at him.

55:45 He was like, do as she says, like what are you waiting for? But um, Okay, let's let's go to to some other stuff. So meringue goes to see The Seer and she takes the for with her because she wants to see her to tell her who the dragon is now. I was like, come on now Moraine you didn't really think it was going to be that in that easy, did you? But here is what she does see. The Seer says that, you know, she says the big one and Moran was like there. But what did she say? The big brooding one and Moran was like, they're both big. I'm like no.

56:30 Right. Like Rand has some size on him for it's not big like parent. God, would a parent is the one I'm a look at and I'm a run the other way because I'm not about to get into a fight with him. Parent looks like and it's the funniest thing because he has the most gentle Persona out of all of them that we've seen, but yeah, I've seen what pairing can do with an axe, not just by accident, but on purpose to those chocolates parent is the one that I'm going to look at. And if I have to choose whether the fight him or not mature, my happy ass around, and I'm going in the other direction because he looks like he was here, something apart Yeah, that's that's parent. Yeah, so she desirous, is that she sees him with golden eyes and with blood dripping from his mouth? I was like, oh, that's not ominous at all. She sees R and holding a baby And when the rain is like, whose baby is he holding?

57:32 And thus, it was like, how am I supposed to know that you wanted me to see what I see when I see them and that's what I see see now, I don't know whose baby that is. He's holding a baby. Yeah, I don't know what I don't know what that is was about, especially not well. Okay, we'll get to that later. But and then when she when she talks about egwene and nine Eve what did she say? She said she sees a wall of white. And then a ring of gold. And I'm just going to assume because when they showed us, kind of like what she said, White Flame, a wife and a wife. Yeah, entering your goal.

58:21 But like, when she was telling Moran, what she saw in pairing and ran, we were actually seeing her vision the way that she was seeing it. So we saw like, parents face kind of come out almost like it was an astral projection with the gold eyes, and with the blood Blood and then you see like an astral projection of grand standing up and holding a baby while, Karen and ran are sitting at the table. But I noticed that when she told Moran, what she saw, 49, Eve and egwene they didn't show us what she saw. So it's kind of like even though she said, she saw a white flame and a gold ring. I don't know what the Golden Ring stands for, but she did. Do I Yeah.

59:08 And you know what the White Flame is. The White Flame is the the one power, right? The flame of tar valon, And the gold ring is the acid I ring. Oh I didn't, you know what? I need to think about like that kind of ring. I was literally thinking of a circle like a ring of I was thinking like a ring of fire or something. You know something of that time. I was thinking a simplistic ring. Okay. That's why they didn't show it because, well, one special effects cost money into saying it is, is equivalent of showing it for them. Well, I kind of took that in a different way because it's like, if we If you think about it, like they've talked about nine Eve, being an icy died because of her strength of power that we've seen. But I feel like the fact that they didn't show us who was, who was what when she was talking about it, she could have been talking about both of them or it could have been flipped. Like, you know, later on in the episode when Randon egwene are talking, he tells her to go to the Tower to try to be, you know, to try to be an acid.

1:00:23 I this is what she's wanted all along and I was like when did she say she wanted to be? I said I like I don't think that was ever like, I know more rain was kind of telling her. Hey, you could be this, but we've heard it. So, I don't know. I think I kind of feel like maybe she had sort of been leaning towards that. For some reason, I feel like she knew that was her path. Nine Eve is the one that's kind of fighting it and I need you doesn't want any part of it but I think the fact that they like they've been so specific about showing us the strength of nine.

1:01:07 He's power while egwene over here, like she's struggling to conjure like she she struggled to challenge to channel when valda was telling her to channel and just a little bitty things that we see. It's kind of like accidental burst but they're small compared to nine. He's will see it. Once he hasn't been training so she doesn't really know how to do it. Neither has naive. Yes, he has. And I need has will not leave his? There's a reason why she was a wisdom. So young. She has these incredible skills that healing people and figuring out what's wrong with him.

1:01:53 She's been doing it all her life on. Such a small meticulous specific scale, okay? Like feeling people fixing people's bones, you know, He's been doing all this stuff, her life, and they may not have known. That's that's what she was doing. She mean to have consciously. Knowing that's what she was doing, okay? And even when she was talking about being able to feel the weather and since the weather that's her using the, the one power when she was in that first episode talking to Ian Wayne. So Steve mean that know that she's, that's what she was actually do. I'm sure when she got older, she knew because she was hot within the book, she was hiding the, that's what she was. Okay.

1:02:38 But yeah, she knows she's pretty fluent in using the 1 power. Is it that she hasn't had any formal training but she has used the enough to know what she's doing. Okay big Wayne does not eat Wayne has those emotional burst, which is what the Wilders usually do when they don't have any training and that's what she was going to do. That's when I knew he was going to do with the egwene, was going to show her how to focus her powers. Okay. Okay, that makes I think Wayne Wayne kind of new on the surface that this is where her path was going to be, okay. That's why she didn't have a real big problem with going with Marine Okay.

1:03:25 That makes sense. And even in the book 9 even went with him because she didn't trust Marine. Yeah, I mean, he's always like that that much is evident even in the show, like she does not trust meringue, but yeah. So anyway, When so that's what that took. The way, this route took the White Flame and ring the White Flame because in the book means Visions men, her Visions are not real specific but they can be interpreted, okay? And so, the one thing is she always talks about her Visions, always come true. They have never not been true, even if there's an option, so you get both choices to see both of them. If a person has a choice, okay?

1:04:15 So seeing a white flame and ring of gold, pretty much the White Tower the flame of tar valon and I said Irene. Okay, pretty much okay. So after they leave the bar you know they're the the four are in a room together and Moraine and man come in. And that's when I need basically challenges her, she was like, look, just because you told us, this is what we need to do. We may not all agree to do this and we want to know what what that lady told you. And you know it's funny because Moraine gives one of her answers. That's an answer but not an answer. And I'm you called her a liar.

1:04:59 She's like you forget girl, I cannot lie and then at this point she's like, okay, so basically I wanted her to tell me if one of you was the dragon because if we go to the eye of the world, whoever is not, the dragon will not return. They will die there. And all of them sit here, like, you knew this, and you didn't tell us, it's like, oh, Matt had the right. an idea not coming through that for, but It's the conversation that happens after this. That is I don't want to say funny because it's not funny, but this is, like I said, this is where you start to see the splintering of the group because, of course, Rand is pissed off because land is like Everything that she's told us, you know, she had with it, he said, she hasn't let, she hasn't led us incorrectly, basically saying something, the stuff that she's been telling us. Yes, been true.

1:06:00 But is, do we have to believe it? Like, how do we know this is? This is correct. It may not be us and you start to have these conversations. And egwene is like, look, we need to go do this no matter what the cost, because we came on Miss This Journey to save our family to save our friends, you know, so no one would know, one else would die. So I think we need to see it through to the end, no matter what the result is, meaning LK if that means we die? As long as our people are safe, that's all that matters. Karen is kind of quiet and they start getting into this, you know, this back-and-forth ran starts blaming egwene because he mentioned something about Matt.

1:06:49 Oh, that's what it is. Aaron is like, well what if Matt is the dragon, like she could be wrong, we could all go to the eye of the world and still come back, Matt might be the dragon. He's not even here. And so she I don't know, egwene makes this kind of scoffing reaction and ran gets upset. If he was like you never really liked Matt you never you never really trusted him. You never really gave me a chance and blah blah blah. They start getting into it and preparing of course he gets upset. Leave her alone. He gets up and stands up at him and ran look like they're about to go at it. And I need was like, Will you guys stop it?

1:07:30 I'm so sick of y'all fighting over her. Like, she's a like, she something you can own and the whole room got fucking quiet because it, when is looking at her like, huh? And Rand is looking like, he's starting to put three and five together. Aaron is sitting there with his head down, like, no, she didn't say that. I got a wife. See it now. It'll always seen it blah blah, blah. I'm like dude.

1:08:10 Apparently you nor egg Wayne's saw it because she looks clueless, like she is looking like why would she say that? And then when you don't see Perry at it, starting to click in her head to like, oh my God, he likes me or he loves me or whatever the case is, Rand is like, I should have seen this blah, blah, blah and seeing that I should have seen this. Pairing very, very succinctly steps and ramps face that he was like the only woman I've ever loved this model wife. And Randy's kind of looks. And I think Rand knew that that was not the fight he wanted. He just kind of stepped back.

1:08:53 The important thing is right, before that Rands like, oh, it makes sense the day. You proposed to Layla? Yes. Was this the same? David maybe when we got together, huh? I was like, that's a happy coincidence. My friend. Now in the books, this would not have happened. This is not even a thing. Yeah, yeah. I think we, I think we talked about that before because like you said in the book sparing doesn't really have. I won't say. He doesn't have a voice but hit you said most of his everything is internal. Yeah.

1:09:33 So Yeah, and I it's been a while since I read the books but I don't ever remember him getting in reims face like this, except to keep ran from doing something stupid. Okay. Yeah, well, I mean, ran was looking like he was about to try and do something stupid like, well, okay, I wouldn't consider like swinging on parent is stupid, but but stupid, like plunging in entire country into war. Oh, that kind of stupid, you know, going off and doing something by yourself. You don't have Business to something stupid. That's that's usually when you hear Matt, we get into Rams business, but for the most part, they didn't challenge each other really like this. Okay.

1:10:16 Okay. Because number one, this this is not a thing. Yeah, because I was going to say, you know, something about one of your best friends being in love with your girl. That that would be something to kind of, you know, spark some Discord. Some yeah, well talked about the writing. I know they Wrote this little subplot in, I don't really understand it other than to appeal to a certain demographic but otherwise it it it can't come to can't lead to anything. Good - right right. You know all the work that they have to do going forward they have to have this absolute trust in each other and this does not Foster that it doesn't like I said it's almost like like They're trying to split to reach up the Splinter the group. You know, you have 9 Eve who just unconsciously revealed this huge secret that parent was carrying. You've got ran feeling betrayed by pairing, maybe a little bit by egwene because he's thinking about what the Black Wind told him as far as.

1:11:28 So if Wayne is never going to love you as much as you love her, you know, and then you've got egwene who is Dealing with all of this Revelation like Matt just I mean ran just accused. You of not caring about mad, you just found out that pairing may or may not be in love with you and I need just it is the one who just basically brought all that on and she's probably like, what the fuck damn if you're listening to this and if it wasn't for it, my niece said, if it weren't for that, I would have said ran was doing this on purpose. Like he was purposely trying to piss everybody. Yeah, I would have thought that too because because I feel like, even at that point, he had already had his suspicions that he was the dragon. But Anyway, so, yeah, they have this, they have this little argument, they all kind of go their separate ways or rather R and he storms out of the room and egwene goes after him. After nine Eve, tries to apologize. But I know he went was, like, I don't even want to hear this from you right now.

1:12:36 Like, you just blew everything up and for what, you know, like you said what even if you had an idea of this. And I, I knew that my name had a An inkling of it when they were in the caves and, you know, egwene went to go sit next to ran and she kind of held his hand and he looked at her hand, he told her you know, he was like come and she laid down and they went to sleep and you can see pairing look and kind of turn over on his back and I need nine Eve gave him this look like. Oh I know what that is. Even if you know this your mouth shut while why hey, why don't you oh, there's also the possibility that The dark one is influencing them. I thought about that too.

1:13:27 Like the scepter in The Avengers, you know, was influencing their emotions because we know that he's is already been in their head, he's been in their dreams. So it's possible that the closer they are to the blight, the more powerful dark. Yeah. Okay, that he can kind of push them. You know, to kind of turn on each other, right? So that could be another part of it too. And that's why Gwen was able to keep him out and then he wasn't able to keep that in. Yeah, yeah, it's because even with men when she looked at them, what was it that she told Moraine when she was talking about the vision, she said, if it's Annie, she said, if it means anything, the Visions are clear. Usually, the more important the person is to the pattern. And I guess that, they Has to do with the will. The more important they are to the pattern, the clearer, the Visions are and I felt like that was also, I don't know her having the Visions being clearer. Does that means that there's a more of a likelihood that that vision is going to come true?

1:14:40 Like you said her Visions are never wrong. So instead of more, it's not more of a likelihood that true, it's more more likely that it's accurate. Okay. Okay. Yeah, accurate because it's because what she sees happens in the future. No, okay. Okay, so let's see this, let's go ahead and get the land stuff out the way it because after this whole conversation he goes to have a conversation with Moraine and just she's basically you know he's trying to comfort her she's upset and then she's getting nostalgic and she was like I'm just remembering The first time we met here, and I feel like I've taken away your life, like she was, like, there's more to life than me and this Mission and he's assuring her.

1:15:41 He was like, you haven't taken anything from me. He was like, when we met, I had no, I had no life or and I had no reason to die. You've given me both, you know, or he had nothing to live for. That's what it was and nothing to live for. I had nothing to die for you, giving me both. And I was like y'all having a different conversation than the conversation. Y'all are having because when she talks about them leaving in the morning, she was like, don't you have some good buys you need to say in the city and Lan is like yep. And there's just this look between them. And then he turns to leave and she says, you know, I really like her, the wisdom, I was like oh that's what that that conversation was. That was that you need to go handle this or you need to go. You need to go have a life before we possibly go to a heart.

1:16:35 That was the conversation. I felt like they were having and so we see land going into the town and I need is following him. It's like stop being a stalker. Do that anyway he goes to he goes to a home that has some people that he appears to be very close to and he knows that not need is following him so he appeared them. Okay. So He was sitting there at the table eating, right? And then we took another species her shadow in the window. And when she realizes that he might be able to see her. She turns to go away and he standing right there was like dude this dude just disapparate like what their I had this conversation with the person I live with him. I'm related by marriage.

1:17:35 Huh? Because he asked the same question. I said, I think what happened was When he got up, he smiled. He got up from the table. We didn't see him do it like, he got up and walked away. And that's when she was like, okay, she decided to leave, okay, because she saw him get up. She saw him get up and walk, you know? Walk the he came in behind her like was there a know about? Yeah, yeah. The mess out of me and I expected him to be there. I was like like he got some magical powers going on. But anyway, Way. So he brings her into this to this family and the guy who is there. I almost thought that that was his father, or some type of Father Figure to him because of the way that he was acting, you know, he's being very obvious when he went when land comes into the door, he was like everybody. This is 99 Eve everybody.

1:18:30 He's getting out like oh yeah, come on in. Come on in have a seat like being so obvious like that, that awkward embarrassing. Oh, my son is Not a pretty girl home that's just fawn over her. I was like, man is probably sitting there like this was not what I came over here for today. But anyway, so after the dinner, they're walking back to in the hall and they stopped in front of his room and they kind of have just little bit of conversation. She was like, you know, thank you for including me. He was like, well you didn't give me a choice so there's like a little bit of a flirtation there and then they stand there and look at each other very long Angley and very awkwardly like to the point where I was like, I can't watch this thing like y'all do something so I can so I can pay Into the screen.

1:19:20 It's that whole secondhand embarrassment like y'all are standing that obviously wanted to kiss. Yes, obviously wanted to kiss each other and again, you can feel the pull between these two characters and then he looks at her, he's like good night and he goes into his room. It's like what the fuck is wrong with him. But I forget this is a, this is a show and a world where women are the I'm in a creature so he's probably like I'm going to let her make the first move. I don't want to misinterpret anything. I don't want to complicate anything yada yada yada, he goes.

1:20:01 Okay. Okay, I have it. You see there. What is your issue? He goes into the room, he closes the door. He's taking his clothes off and she just walks here. I mean, hey, she said she was going to shoot a. She's like the way he was undressing me with your eyes. I'm going to shoot my shot. You do not. Like anything, and this has their say, you want me to leave. What the fuck you gonna say? He ain't gonna say no. But here's the thing, I think, I think for her, Maybe her doing it that way. Just kind of walking into his room and even even though she walked in this room, she still walk slowly towards him. I think one she was trying to get up her own courage to do what she was doing, because I'm pretty sure that's probably a situation.

1:20:51 She's never been in before. You know what I'm saying to? She was giving herself time to read the room, she was trying to make sure like, okay, is he really like into me or Was he being polite? Like I think she was probably feeling that out. Like, okay. If he's not into me, he has some time while I'm doing this slow ass walk to say. Um, I don't think you should be here. Um, I don't think this is appropriate, I'm Just Not That Into You, she's giving him some time to react. So so for argument's sake, if the roles were reversed We have the same energy like if he was a dude, she's undressing and he walks into the room.

1:21:35 So, okay, I'm going on is for me, I think it depends on the characters in The Situation's. If this isn't, it fits a situation where the female character is obviously not into this guy, then. Yes, that would be wrong. If it was the situation that we just saw, like I said, you feel them being pulled towards each other but I think there's Still in the space of, is this something we should or shouldn't do? Because again, he's a water for ice to die. There's a whole bunch of other things that come with that the fact that they can feel each other's emotions, and what they're going through land might be like, I don't want to be screwing with her and Moran, can feel like there's a reason why Moraine masked her bond with land when she went to go see Swan.

1:22:23 Mmm, so he wouldn't feel it. Well, I agree with you on the go, but I also think that even back to the first time that they really reduce them. You could tell that this is one of these tropes where they were fated to be together that they were meant to be, you know, a couple, mmm. So the fact that they did in this episode, to me seemed like it was the right time, but I agree with the back and forth. My thing is, is that is this going to be where we're together and we're going to stick together or we're together. There we go. To break apart and come back together over and over again. So for me the scene made sense. I didn't really have an issue with it. Yeah. And like I said, Anthony if the roles were reversed because of the energy that I got from the scene right before I think it would have been one of those things where if he would have walked into her room and done the exact same thing, she probably would have looked at him and at that point she probably would have, just let her robe drop because I feel like I feel like they understood each other in that moment. Like yes, I want you but I'm may be afraid to make the first move and I just feel like if it's a situation like that. Lan is very good at reading people. That's one thing that we have seen in the show and I don't think he would have done that if he thought one, she would have been offended by it, if she would have been uncomfortable by it or if she flat-out didn't

1:23:56 want him. I don't think he would have done that and I think in the same vein for her I don't think she would have done that. If he would have felt any of those things, you know, it's just it's something about the way. a, they write these characters and I mentioned that before, when I talked about egwene and Rams relationship, like the way that they do handle relationships in this, in this show, the the, the parties in these relationships are very respectful of each other even when egwene and ran are having arguments with each other, the most recent argument notwithstanding because this was all emotion, but even when they, I woke up when she told him that she was planning to become a wisdom and, you know, him knowing that, that means that they would not get married, they would not have children.

1:24:50 He didn't pull that whole with. This is not just your life. This is my life. You're ruining my life. This that he didn't pull that whole thing. They had a very mature discussion about it and I feel like that translates also with land and nine Eve. Like I said, the attraction is there there? Attraction has been there since day one. Even when she held a knife to his net you could feel oh, this is going to be something. And I think they feel that too is characters. And this just like they didn't know who was gonna make the first move Landing, who he is. He probably was like I'm not going to make this move because maybe you know like we like we hear him say later on her being a wisdom is similar to him. Being awarded like She can't marry she can't have children, so she might have been hesitant to approach him. Knowing.

1:25:48 Okay. I have nothing more to offer you. So maybe he was like, okay, if I'm just going to respect her, she's a wisdom. This is what she dedicated her life to this is her calling. She can't have these kinds of entanglement, or whatever. I'm just going to, you know, I'm just gonna like her, love her from afar. And then she was like, oh okay, we'll fix that. I mean, I like I said, if it had been a different character, I might have been like, girl. That's that's not the move, that's not the move, but with him, I totally feel like it was dipped. It was totally the move, totally remove.

1:26:29 And if he had done it with, with this character and her, I would have been mad at him doing it either. I wouldn't have felt, I wouldn't have felt that it was intrusive or inappropriate. Yeah, so yeah. So yeah. But um yeah, so she walks into his room and she like walks up to her. She was like do you want me to leave? He walks up to her. They start kissing. I was like really Let's just show that actually caught in a lie. Like that's how you do it. That's how you do a kiss. You don't kiss well anyway and then on the other hand you have R and in the courtyard and he's like practicing archery. He can't hit the bullseye, he's upset and egwene comes out. She was like, you know, I waited in my room, for an hour for you to come and apologize to me and she's mad and he looks at her, he says well, Well, you know, I know from experience that when you really want to speak to me, you'll come and find me again. I feel like there's that real that respect within the relationship.

1:27:41 Like, he knows how she's going to react and he knows that. Okay, if I go to her before, she's ready to talk, she's even gonna give me the silent treatment or will be arguing. That is not what I want when she's ready. She will come and talk to me. Especially in young adult TV shows movies that we see dealing with relationships each other, with that kind of respect or give each other that kind of space respectfully, you know. And that's one thing I like about the show. Because when she came out, she was still upset when he responded to her, he responded to her with a smile and that kind of brought down her walls and they were able to have a conversation, you know?

1:28:28 And and he even right after that, I'm sorry. I know there's nothing between you and parent. Oh my God, they're showing our young guy apologizing. What? But just the way that they have this whole conversation you know and she was telling me she was like I'm not even mad about that. I'm mad about the fact that you think that I wouldn't that I would you know not fight format that I Wouldn't Die for him. You know. And then that's what he starts talking. He was like look if it is one of us and she was like even if it is we'll deal with that. We could all you know she could be wrong.

1:29:09 We can all live That sort of thing and then when he says I don't want to lose you as she sees him. Crying, she's like hold up. Okay. Look I'm not going anywhere. We're gonna figure this out. We're all going to live and then she tells him and I think this is the thing that he probably needed to hear. Even if it was the thing that he did not want to hear. Because when she says it, I feel like that was the moment he made his decision, but she says, even if it is you I will stand by you. No matter what I will have your back. Nothing will change. We will figure it out. And to me that is so opposite of egwene will never love you the way you love her.

1:29:56 She literally is saying if you're the Dragon And you fix the world or you break the world. I'm going to be there regardless. And I think ran was like, nope, I'm not about to do this to her because if he is the Dragon, And what Moran says is true, then she dies then Peter. And I think, at that moment, when she said that, he closed his eyes right before he kissed her, I said yeah he just made his decision. He just made his decision. And of course you see you see him get up. From bed because of course they've gone to bed together. She's asleep.

1:30:38 He wakes up and he starts having these different flashes in his mind. He's flashing back to one of the chalak attacked and his father fought, and you see the hair and symbol on the sword. And then, that's when you start to hear this other stuff and he finds out about rather he goes to the Seer to find out what she sees for real and that's when she tells him that She had the vision and you know, that was the vision that we were talking about where she saw the next. The next dragon being born on the mountain was snow blah blah blah. She starts telling him all these details about his birthday. He never knew and that's what he realizes that he's the dragon and he asked if he was like, do I come back? And she just kind of gets up and leaves the table? He was like, yeah, that's what I thought and I was like I mean, we've been saying it, but I think he's, I think he's sort of suspected all along and then we also / /, Max? Yeah.

1:31:41 Yeah. Of him. Using the power. He's be using wind power the whole time. He's been, he's out there. He's that Bullseye it, cuz he's channeling right in the bullseye, right? Maybe get the flashes of him. Using the 1 power, when the trial, it came in the cave and I never noticed it the first time but when they showed his flashback I went back and Actually right now, while I have it planned in the background, when egwene threw up her arms against the trolley, can you see the, you know, you see the Wisps. I never noticed Rams, Arm coming around her around and that was when we see, he actually used his power to throw the chili cook-off and I was there.

1:32:22 She put hers up sort of like a defense. He threw his taxi. Knock it off. Yeah. And to protect her. Yeah. so, I was just like, Oh ran. And I wanted to save mention that he has. He did the mash insensitive. His deepest fear was her leaving him again but here he actually is like yeah you go to the White Tower and now go there with you. Yeah and be awarded. So it was like you really think. I'm gonna let somebody else do your water right? And I think that's kind of cool because it shows you that, you know, even though that was his deepest fear of her leaving him, He would have gone with her, you know. Yeah.

1:33:07 And I think she and she even said that she would not go without him because she was like I made that mistake once I'm not doing that again. It was like, oh, if you to the White Tower, then what's going to the White Tower, you really think I'm Gonna Let You Bond somebody else solutely. Not absolutely, not absolutely not. but then, you know, the next morning, Oh, okay. Can we go back to the conversation at the land? And nine Eve had the little pillow talk. Oh yes. I'm so sorry. Yes, because that's when we find out lands. True identity.

1:33:52 Yes, I'll and Mondragon. He is the lord of the seven Towers lord of the Lakes, the true blade of manicure defender of the wall of first fires. The bear Or of the sword of the thousand lakes, May he sever the shadow? He's also the dash cam, which also means battle Lord. So he is the king of malc here. We go. Yes, he is based on both Lancelot and King elessar, till cantar who we also know as Aragon. Okay? He because Lancelot Lancelot, I think is Lancelot do lock, which is servant of the lake, which is clearly, you know, the lord of the lakes for a lad Mondragon.

1:34:45 So, yeah, it's very, very close and also the king without a country. You know, he's a long-lost. Heir, was not really lost. They are people. That was the thing. That was the reason why I was asking was his identity. Enone because when he tells her about it because she as she says, why does, why does he call you die shin and he tells her about, you know, who he is the name? Given to the heir to the throne? Yeah, and she's looking at him. Like wait, I just slept with a prince. What you like? Hold on. No, he's actually it mean well, he's a king now. Yes. But she said, yeah, it's still there.

1:35:25 That's why. That's why Lord a lag Omar was Beating him that way because he is a king. Yeah, he has you know like you said the guy that the house he went to, he was one of the guards that that stars monkey mouth. Yeah. Smuggle him out of the castle with when the tropics and the blight over ruin my kid. There are mouths, you know, family. Yeah. They keeping the fire World family. Yeah. So that's why I was like is his is his Identity really known because you think about, like, going back to Game of Thrones since you just read that long-ass title, that's what it put me in the mind of, but like when the targaryens were being killed off, remember the saracen Daenerys were kind of smuggled away as well, and they were kept hidden. So I just wondered if that was the same thing for land. Like did they hide him?

1:36:24 Was his identity known or so? Okay, everybody, even if he was, there are there are male Look here. As you see the art malky, are people still around? It's just that they don't have a country. Okay. And he is the only one of the royal family that's left. Yeah, if you remember in Shannara, in this scenario, stories and Sahara. That was the same thing drill. She was a journalist and I think he was the, he was like a cousin to the family. He was like the last one left. Okay. Yeah. That story too. So my question is, With him, you know, being King with no country whatever, whatever if say the blight is destroyed and they are able to rebuild now. Here would he still be able to be the King as a water to an? I said I like how would that work? I'm going to say yes.

1:37:23 Okay. Okay, even if it okay, I was just curious about it because there's one of the things that we don't get into later in the series is the game of houses which is like the Game of Thrones book and a, my house has this weird. He sort of got it from is eat. Your title is very important. Okay? So a tile is not something that you would hide. Everyone's style is important. It was political Alliance is important, even though he's a King Without a country, he's very important. I was gonna say cuz it seems like even. Okay, so, in, in my mind, the way I was thinking like, oh, what they have hit him that sort of thing. I feel like, even if there was somebody actively trying to kill him, I feel like the people of this country would protect him just like they would their own ruler. First, and foremost, you can try to kill If you want to, and I'm just saying, I got you, I got now. He's been, you know, he's people have tried to manipulate him, there was a woman who who tried to manipulate him into marrying, her daughter.

1:38:36 She was going to do a compulsion on him and make him do so. Yeah, there are nefarious, people I did with this in the various for other reasons not to kill him but to bring him into their family because Of who he is, okay. But yeah, he's most certainly Aragon. He's most certainly Lancelot, even they haven't talked about it, but even his sword was made with the one power as well. So he has a power sword. Yeah, it's Yeah. Okay. But yeah, I love the way that they had this conversation because when she needs help and she was like, okay, so I know why you or, you know, so devoted or so loyal to Moraine. She was like you're a King Without a country aboard, without a family and now you belong to her. He was looking at her like I'm my own person like she doesn't own me.

1:39:39 He was like, I'm free and I think that was really him. Trying to say. Yeah, I may be loyal to her, but that is not. I mean, the way he was looking at her, he was like, yeah, but my heart belongs to you, he was singing Jodeci to her. He was like yeah. Uh, just so you just so you understand how this works? Yeah. Maybe bonded to her but this is something totally different and You ain't going nowhere. Get back in the bed, but yeah, that was funny. That was well, that was very long overdue. Yeah. I also want to say we were talking about the fantasy tropes. This he is one of the truths that Jordan went the opposite on because a lot of times it is the loss are is being actively hunted and be had to hide them. He's the complete opposite.

1:40:29 Yeah, you know everybody knew who you was. Everyone treated him as such. And knowing this would have been a trained him and they did all the things that he was supposed to do as a king. He just didn't have a country, okay? Because people didn't have a country. So, you know, when you re like the big area drag, Aaron Yan was being hidden. Yeah, Lord of the Rings were Aragorn. Aragon was being hidden, you know, Harry Potter was being hidden. So this one this is the one character weird. No, he was not hitting everybody in the room. He was right? So okay, then Was one thing. Another thing that I liked about this story is that it doesn't always follow the tropes, exactly the way that you would think they would write, okay.

1:41:17 So, yeah, anyway, the next morning it Wayne goes to 90s room, of course not, Nev hasn't been there. Hasn't slept there. She comes in and as she's apologizing to egwene for opening her mouth. Here comes parent. So all three of them are standing there, awkwardly and then I Nev is asking them. Okay, so what did you guys decide? And Big weigh-in is like I'm going to the eye of the world. I'm gonna go, we're going to finish this out paring knives, his Ascent so he's thinking the same thing to land comes to the door and She realizes something is wrong. He says Moran has masked our bond, she's left and they were like by herself. And then that's when everybody realizes ran. Because egwene is looking for.

1:42:05 And he's not there when she asked parent. Parent was like, I thought he was with you, but no, we see. He goes to Moraine and he tells her, it's me, I'm the dragon and so they have left. And they are approaching the blight. And like I said, when we, when we see the blight, it looks like this hugely overgrow. It's like they look like Roots, that's just over taking everything. And I think the description that you gave earlier Anthony that was very spot on as far as it being like him and when they go in, I noticed that Moraine is very careful with how she walks in, like, like you have these big thick branches, and then you've got the smaller branches.

1:42:59 And I've noticed when you see or she's holding her hands in a particular way, She's only touching the smaller branches and she's being very careful how she walks and I was like, is this one of those things where if you touch it wrong, it's going to grab you. And, of course, I'm thinking the The Last of Us in my head because that's what we're discussing now. That's the other show, we are discussing and I was like, okay, so is this one of those things where if they step wrong, the branches are going to grab them and and kill them. I mean, when Rand walks in there is the skeleton. Of a man sitting in the, you know, in between some of the branches. So obviously this thing does kill people and not just take over like the wildlife and the castles and all this other stuff people who get caught up in there too.

1:43:48 I'm guessing died. So I was like, oh okay. And what was it? Meringue said we have to travel through the blight, to get to the eye of the really. Why why? I mean I know why. But yeah, just do it already. I said I'm gonna go to my potential death. Do you have to make him struggle to get there? Right? I don't know if it's going to be interesting to see. We're going to go with this. Because I mean and and like you said, we saw uses of R and using that power like and I need to think about the fact that when, and when he was with the barmaid and she locked him in the room and he opened the door.

1:44:38 I had a feeling about it then, but I was with 10 men. Couldn't knock that door down, right? Exactly like three times. And I was like, okay, so either he is channeling or there's something else about his character that we don't know. Not if I had not known, he was the dragon. Or if I had not thought he was a dragon seeing the the Herculean strength. His mom had fighting off men while she's in active labor. I would have been like oh she got he got some of his strength from her like she had to have had some kind of superhuman strength that she passed on to To him, I would have thought that and been okay with it. But, you know, once we go back and we see the flashes I'm like, yeah, makes sense.

1:45:25 It makes sense. So, I don't know. Now, we only have one episode left. Random Moran have left, the rest of them are behind. We didn't seem at all in this episode. So I have a feeling we probably won't see him at all for the rest of this season. And then, of course, you know, we found out after the first season are that the actor who plays Matt has actually been recast, so we're going to get a whole different mat in the second season, but I don't know, it's if we forgot that we forgot the, we forgot to mention that Marine told, I'll go, Mars sister to send word to the white tired of look for. Oh yeah, we did.

1:46:13 And she told her, who do I tell the red eyes boy killed. But, I mean, again, she doesn't, she doesn't know for sure, if Matt is isn't the dragon either like, ran can say, oh yeah, it's me. True. But it also makes sense that she would because if she sent the information land was going to find out anyway. But at least if it goes to Lee Andrian, there won't be any idea that it came from her and same thing. Like if it would be weird if she said to the Blue Sisters really engine back, but if you see into the engine and the engine is going to be like, okay, this must be serious.

1:46:57 Me to give this information. Yeah. For you to send this directly to me, like she may not even know business Marine. Yeah, no we want. We don't want this boy Dad. If we think that he's the next dragon or if he think you know or maybe not dead maybe they'll just gentle him or whatever. But either way it goes like mad is already been having some issues and I don't remember if LeAndre knew what was wrong with Matt when she found out about that. So I don't think she did. She just knew the Vic that she had them so you know, and that he was sick but he had an Affliction but I don't think she knew exactly what it was. So this is pretty good episode.

1:47:39 I enjoyed it has had a few issues with it but I enjoyed it. So what were the issues that you had? Oh I've had since begin the whole parenting. The whole love triangle between. Okay big Wayne and necessary. and it doesn't serve any purpose and I don't know, I guess it does in a sense if you think about the fact, like we discussed this at the beginning, we're in the book sparing didn't have a wife. But you said you felt like they put the wife in here to kind of explain why he is the way he is because like you said in the book has a lot of internal dialogue. Well, they can't really do it.

1:48:26 Just internal dialogue on the show, you got it. Yeah. You got to kind of show what the character is going. I'm through. So I guess that's a way to visualize that, but also, I feel like the triangle is also a way to bring that forth because it is one thing to have guilt about accidentally, killing your pregnant wife. It adds a whole different layer if you accidentally killed your pregnant wife and you were in love with someone else in the first place. Because then he'll go, then he'll go through that. Oh, well, she was only married to me because it Gwen was with Rand and I asked her, and maybe if I hadn't done this shoot, it adds a whole different layer to it, you know, it gives it more of a reason for him to be tortured.

1:49:19 It does. But however, I need to seems like excessive, not thinking about the book, this the show in general, it just, it doesn't feel, right? It doesn't seem right, especially them all growing up together and him a man's best friend, right? It's like you didn't know what was going on between the two of them, right? Yeah, y'all so if anything actually has two thousand years ago yes like this is the men. Something y'all already tough surrounding them. Mud over, right and being squashed it then, right, especially if we're, if ran was a child going to pick, strawberries for it went. Okay. That means it was obvious from a very young age that this was who he was going to be with, right? So, I get what you're saying, you said to put those feelings away, even his, you obviously, never took the effort or made the effort to say anything to her or anyone. One about it.

1:50:19 You you kept it to yourself, then you should have just watched it because you watching your friend, bring her strawberries. That should have been your clue. Yeah, I mean, and we think is one of the two rivers, everyone kind of knew who was going to get. They I don't want see the arranged marriages, but they kind of pushed people together and they were all pushing her and ran together. So, yeah, dude, you should've said something long time ago. Yeah. If for nothing else than to get over it. Yeah, you know, to at least voice it out there, it's out there. You don't have to sit with it and then maybe that point once you realize, okay, they both of them know that you like her are in love with her and they are still together that at least that put some closure in your mind that. Okay this is this is not going to happen. Yeah and I don't know there are like 20 years old y'all kind of old now yeah you know.

1:51:17 But also the thing too, is I don't, even though I think he has feelings for her, he's in love with her, whatever. Whatever the case may be, I still don't think it's to the point where he would want her and ran apart. Like, he looks at them and he sees them obviously, well, maybe not happy in this moment but they're obviously together there, they obviously have each other's back. They obviously love each other, a lot. And I think he sees bit and I don't think he'd be grudges than that, but it's just kind of one of those things where it's kind of like, You're happy for them but at the same time, if things could be different you want them to be different, right?

1:52:01 But yeah I guess I can I can see it is because it's just a little bit of a issue. Yeah like I understand why it's there. It's just I don't think we care for it. Yeah because it does it is. Messes up pairing a rains relationship. You know. Yeah like where is going to be? Where is the absolute? Trust going to come from. Yeah, they don't have the same thing with random Mac in this one. You know, in this show and I don't know if that's how it was in the books, but I mean you said time and time again how they've completely changed mats character and he was not this way in the books, but there's a lot of conflict with him around here.

1:52:47 Like, he has He's had some hostility towards ran, I don't know, maybe now that we know that Rand is the dragon, or at least we think Rand is the dragon because he still might not be. He might just be a dude who can Channel. I'm just, I'm just been a damn, maybe pace of about benefit, but before we knew that maybe that's what maybe Matt and the Darkness that was in him when he He had, you know, the darkness from the knife, maybe that's what that Darkness was sensing and maybe that was part of the reason why Matt was so antagonistic towards him.

1:53:29 They could be true. But that could be because if they, I mean, because if you look at the way things are, like Rand will say his little things too mad when Matt is being an asshole or whatever. But for the most part ran has been the one who has had mats back this entire season. I like even when Matt is fucking up. Rand is they're trying to encourage him trying to be like, oh, you know, like like when he thought that he killed the little girl and her family ran was like, no, dude, you didn't do that. I think Matthew, even in the end when he was telling them telling that EV you get to try to Nomad you. Like he's defending the man, he ain't even there. So there's from ran to Matt deal with be their absolute rest and I think format terrain because Matt would know that ran was there with him every step of the way if you don't you dare with parent and I think that's the problem. Yeah.

1:54:32 I agree. Okay, we got one episode left. yay, but the good thing is, We should be getting the second season sometime later this year. Yeah, sorry I mean I'm gonna I'm gonna watch you guys know I'm going to watch. It's just that I was, I was so hyped. I mean I went I have no, I didn't read the books, I wouldn't I read the first book started a little bit as I because I keep hearing it's, you know, it's on the level of Miss born and and, you know, and Gardens of Eden, it's up there, right? So, I read it.

1:55:14 I was like, okay I can see, you know, and then when I watch it it's like, oh it's not that good and I was so disappointed. I think that was my main thing. Yeah. If you, if you're into the books, this this series is very disappointing. Yeah, I will say that I'll give you that. Yeah, I said I should wait this review. I did. Yes, don't start reading. Don't start again. I'll just keep cooking. If you like Lori, if you like Lori and you just start. To reading? Yeah. It's gonna It's Gonna Hurt. Yeah, it did it really did hurt. Yeah. Okay. Like I said, I kept hearing that. This was Brandon Sanderson all over again, because he finished the book so and you know how big he is. So I got excited.

1:56:00 Yeah, but I think Anthony you said before, you don't really care too much for him, right? I don't. Okay, that's asleep it that. Yeah, there's he's an interesting person, but I will say, I saw the scope for the new figurines for the book series that they're doing through hot toys and toy fair and they look good. Oh they look so good but Does it get different book series? Yeah, okay. All right. Well you guys have any final thoughts on episode 70 in the movie database does list? His mother's character's name, Tea Green, Man, tear. Okay.

1:56:48 It's you know, We'll learn more about her later. Okay. See grain. That was like, she is too awesome. A character for us to not get anymore of so hopefully that means we'll see more of her, her Matsuri. But I will say this about her backstory. You're probably going to be like she did, what? It's one of those things. Wait, what? Okay, alright, okay. Now here I do have This one question rants, father did not know her before he came upon her on that mountain. Did he know?

1:57:30 Okay, because I just thought it was so so interesting that all the other people, all the other soldiers that were on his side. We're trying so hard to kill her. And then when he comes upon her and I don't know, maybe it was the fact that she was in labor and he, you know, you see all the bodies around She just disposed of while she's in labor. I don't know if maybe it was just some compassion for her about the baby because when he took that helmet off he looked I don't know invested in a sense, you know? But then he gives her his hand so she can continue to push and then of course after she he cuts the umbilical cord that's when she dies because she got stabbed right before she actually gave birth but I was like Like did he know her or was this just random?

1:58:24 And he just decided to keep the baby once, you know, she died. Like what are you gonna do these girls random? Okay, blade Masters tend to be very honorable people. Okay. And yeah, maybe you see was still standing and fighting you with a father and killed her, okay, but she wasn't she wasn't fighting. It's who's having a baby and she knew me. Yeah, so he hope to have the baby. And he knew, he probably saw the wound and she was dying. Yeah, you know, yeah. And there's a backstory to him and his wife having tried to have children and failed.

1:59:04 Okay. So, you know, to him, this was like his chance of having a child if he could save this child. Okay? So was, was his wife, did she helped raise ran? Because I don't think they ever made that clear, you know, when they were lighting the lantern for Or her, they never made it clear like when she died. So I didn't know if it was one of those things where she died, you know, the store where she died and birth. I couldn't remember if they ever had any dialogue about him and she helped raise. Okay, here to a point. Okay. Okay. I can't remember if there was some dialogue about that in the first episode, there might have been, but I just don't remember so, okay.

1:59:46 Okay, all right. Well, yeah, and plus he moved to the Rivers, which was not where he was from. Okay? Okay. So, all right, well, I guess is we don't have Mike here to give us a punny one-liner to exit out the show. We'll just do without one. So that's it for our show. You can find us online at www.haddadhyundai.com, we are on social media on Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter at Phantom hybrid. You can chat with us on our Discord Channel, you can watch our videos on our YouTube channel. And you can listen to us on all major podcast streaming platforms. Thanks for listening, we hope you join the conversation next time.