The Wheel of Time S1E7 - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #231

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Was the Pirates, welcome back to
another episode of The Phantom

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hybrid podcast.
This is hanako and I'm here with

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Anthony and Laurie and we are
discussing episode 7 of The

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Wheel of Time series.
And I like this episode because

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you get a little backstory at
the beginning and towards the

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middle, we kind of find out
Rands his origin story.

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If you will in this GIF it
wasn't words and story following

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yes.
Finally, you know, we have this

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woman who is obviously a
warrior, she's in some Snowy

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Mountain.
She's running, seems like she's

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running for her life and I
didn't realize at first that she

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was pregnant.
So she sat down and you saw a

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grabber stomach.
And I was like, oh wait.

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It's a premium pregnant you
somebody Mama because of course

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she has.
She has, you know.

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She has a wrap on her head so
you can't really see her hair.

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But someone comes at her with a
spear and let me tell you I was

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sitting here watching this whole
opening sequence like this is

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one of the baddest bitches in
the world because this woman is

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pregnant fully pregnant.
Answer her.

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Baby soldiers are coming after
her and she is kicking their

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ass.
Like multiple, you've got a

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couple of them coming at her at
the same time, two of them.

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Then there's one point where
she's fighting three of them at

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the same time.
And she is holding her own but

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only way she even got hurt.
She got stabbed by one because

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he caught her in the middle of a
contraction.

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Hmm.
I was like, wait a minute.

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Who is this woman?
Like we don't really know

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anything about her except for
what we see in this flashback

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and in the flashback later on,
after she has given birth.

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But I was like, I need to know
who this woman was.

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Do they talk about who she is in
the series at all?

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You mean in the television
series in the book like oh, oh,

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yes, we do.
We know who she is?

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Oh, okay, yeah, you find out who
she is, okay.

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Because I was like, well, then
no, she is to you.

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I won't.
I mean, aside from the fact that

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we, we just figured out that
she's Ran's mother.

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Yes, you know, she's a she of
course she is with the Ajo Ajo,

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this is during the at.
Yeah, this is during IU, the

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first idea War, okay?
And remember the The prophecy

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said that the Dragon.
The prophecy that someone and

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Marines told yes, that the
dragon was being born on Dragon

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mouth, right then.
And this is when that was

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happening, okay?
So this is when I think was just

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Hara more.
So was her name and this is when

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she started having her vision
was that the same time?

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So this.
So This basically is tying into

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our theme for the year of the
the theory and legends type you

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know King being born type of a
thing right?

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Yeah this relates to where
marine and Swan we're talking

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about the vision that I was
being born right right.

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Okay.
But yeah.

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So she's fighting in this
beginning, then, of course,

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after she kills everyone,
including the person who stabbed

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her in the side, no less.
I'm like, this is well, I guess

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they didn't care but I was like,
this is a pregnant woman.

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You stab her in the side, like
how low down is that?

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Like he got the death he deserve
but you can tell the eye you are

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very serious Warriors.
They are very I think I talked

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about this before they very
much.

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Like the Doom, they're the same
as the on Freeman.

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Yeah, they're very similar and
she is a maiden of the spear and

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they are the absolute fiercest
Warriors that.

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Yeah.
Yeah.

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Well because like I said, she
was in labor, having

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contractions, and she was an
active labor, because even while

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she's fighting, she's having
contractions.

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We know look, I know those
contractions were less than 5

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minutes apart.
She was about to have that baby.

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She was like, y'all are not
about to kill me while I'm

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trying to have this baby or I
think maybe she was worried

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about the baby whichever the
case was she was whipping some

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ass and I was just looking at
that.

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Like I think the first time I
watched this episode I rewound

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that seen a couple of times just
to watch because if you didn't

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know she was pregnant you would
have never known she was

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pregnant the way she was moving
the way she was jumping up in

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the air.
And just amazing, amazing.

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There.
And as a side note, shout out to

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the actress.
Her name is Magdalena, so Tova,

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and she is actually a stunt
person.

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Well, and we seen her work and
doom, and underworld Carnival

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row.
She's been a lot of different

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things in the stem person.
Okay, well, well earn.

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Because she gave some spunk and
some personality to this

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character.
I don't even think we never

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heard of other word.
We never heard her.

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Like we again, we don't know her
name, we don't really know

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anything about her except for
what we see on the screen at

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this point.
You know, after she kills the

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man, she takes one of the
cape's.

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She tears her clothes so that
she could try to have this baby

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and then there's a spear or
sword pointed at her in the

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midst of her pushing and it's
one of these soldiers that she

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was fighting.
Now we see later on in The

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episode that this ends up being
rants father, and he helps her

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deliver the baby and then she
dies.

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And that's how he ends up with
ran.

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But I didn't see you see a clue
with his sword?

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Yes, the Heron mark on it, which
is the same as land sword,

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because he's a blade Master,
just like land, okay?

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And only blade Masters can put
that here in Mark the little

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bird on their sword.
Okay.

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Okay.
But yeah, badass complete

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badass.
So I was like, okay, hopefully

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Ram comes by it, honestly,
hopefully he gets that, you

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know, that same amount of skill
but I don't know.

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We'll have to see So, anyway,
going into the episode after

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that introduction.
Everyone is in the ways except

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for Matt, Matt, took a look at
the doorway and the last episode

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he was like, nope not going to
do it, absolutely not.

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He kind of stayed behind so did
you ever see any man, the new

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version of Candyman?
No, I did not.

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Okay.
This is a single one of the

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characters, opens the door to a
basement, and she looks, he's

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dark.
And she's like, nope, and closes

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the door.
This helmet.

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Yeah, but you know our little
Travelers they're going through

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the waves and of course, there's
a little bit of, there's some

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discussion and disagreement
there because of course, ran

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wants to go back for Matt and
not eat white.

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Nine Eve also wants to go back
for him and Moraine is trying to

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tell them.
Look, he made, His choice.

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We have to go further.
We have to go further.

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We have to finish this.
We have to keep moving forward.

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And I think this is the part
where you start to see a little

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bit of the breakdown in between
the group, like I know the

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things that happened in the ways
while they're there, you know,

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they get caught by this black
Wind and The Black Wind starts

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Whispering like their deepest
insecurities to them.

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And you can see it through the
rest of the episode, how that

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kind of comes in between all of
them there, they're all, they're

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kind of at odds.
You know, there's some things

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there that cannot be taken back
and that sort of thing.

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But it's almost like at once
they get into the ways, you can

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feel whatever evil that's in
there trying to pull them apart

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and you know, there's something
that said later on In the

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episode moragne, she goes to see
a Seer and the Seer is looking

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at the four of them 9 EV gwaine
Rand and parent and she's

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telling Moraine different little
things about them and Moraine is

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trying to figure out which one
is the dragon.

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She was like do you see anyone's
Vision stronger than the others?

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And she said, no, they're all
linked, they're all like it.

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Like she saying they're all
Equally as important and I

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thought about us talking in the
last episode because I was like

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you know there was a mention by
I think it was so on when they

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were talking about the fact that
there were five potential

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dragons all in the same Village
and we talked about how they had

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this connection to each other
and I was just still wondering

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like okay so can it be that just
that all five of them have to be

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in sync in order for the dragon
to be reborn?

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This Time.
I think what was it?

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That's why I said, why would the
wheels of let the dragon soul in

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two separate pieces?
And you said that they it

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wouldn't do that with the right.
No wonder.

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It wouldn't do that.
And if they did that they would

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be absolutely billion amongst
most of the faithful.

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Okay.
Yeah, it would be such a

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departure from anything that
would remotely resemble Google

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of times like you Completely,
like go against the Lord and

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everything else.
The will of time is very much

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about time.
Turning things being reborn.

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People being reincarnated souls
are whole Souls.

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Cannot be put into pieces.
And if you do that, our crisis,

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no Hulk Rex's, not nothing, miss
you, and not at all.

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It would be totally, it wouldn't
even be will of time anymore.

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And they're point.
I would, I'll be like we can't

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do the podcast or you just can't
because It's just, it would be,

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I would be.
So I can even tell you how, I

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feel, I'll be beside myself.
Okay.

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Let me, they have already done
things that are such a departure

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from the show like that would
be.

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The one thing you mean from the
books from the book that there

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were just complete absolutely
ruin it for me like we're not

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talking about, you know, making
vampires shine in sunlight.

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We're talking about absolutely
changing the The very structure

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of what The Wheel of Time is,
okay?

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Okay, there isn't even a hint of
a.

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So, okay, there's a case of Two.
Souls occupying, the same body,

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Okay, now that is a theme in the
book.

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But splitting ASL spring or Soul
into pieces, know that, that

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would not work it.
So you think that's probably

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more misdirection for those of
us who are not familiar with the

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books.
I think it was, I think it was

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trying to maybe a little bit but
I think mostly to show that

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they're all equally important.
Okay?

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Now, remember, I was, I was
trying not to give away too

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much, but the last battle is
near And there aren't, there are

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any isid.
I were Chandler's is powerful as

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a forsaken because the time
where the Forsaken is from, like

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the Golden Age, those eyes, who
died are extremely powerful.

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So the wheel had to put out,
Equally powerful eyes to die to.

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At least give the Light Side a
chance, okay.

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And that's why Yugi queen and I
need and why even though not

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naive Wayne hasn't shown her
full power yet, but we have seen

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iguana needs full power.
Yeah, several times.

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Yeah.
And and you know Emma rained and

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so on and all the current ice
Dai Li and Ranbir not Nearly

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enough to defeat before seeking
it, just not powerful enough.

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Okay?
If Thief track, along with the

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book, they just aren't powerful
enough and the will put out

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people like parent to help and
people like men, the the tell

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the Seer, okay, these people are
being spun out land.

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They're out in this time because
they are the people that ran is

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going to need.
I mean we haven't Scratch, the

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surface of the people that he
needs, right?

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So, yeah, there's that.
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Okay.
But back to the ways I wanted to

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mention, I don't know if I
talked about this on the show

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but the ways the old gear, which
were loyal is with their from

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their call standings and their
different standings around the

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place.
Hmm, weighing the aiso died.

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Yeah.
When I said, I've sealed the

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board, seal the dark one's
prison, he tainted the male

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side.
Right?

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That's the basis of the show.
Well, the standings were the

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only places that the mail, I
stacker, go and find Comfort,

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okay?
And the old gear allowed to go

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to the standings, this was
before the breaking.

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So as a gift to the or gear, the
mill Chandler's, the mail acid,

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I built the ways they used side
to side the side Dean to build

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the waist and the Using sort of
like, the theory of the portal

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Stones, was a portal Stones.
Were able to teleport people

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from one place to another.
There are other ways they do it,

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but they created the waves.
And inside of the ways, were

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like ramps and Pathways, they
were these Lush Gardens because

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that's with your gear, did, they
were Builders, they built

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things, it was like beautiful,
but because it was built with

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the male side of the one power
it also became corrected.

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Okay.
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Because L'Oreal mentions that as
they're walking through the

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ways, you know, he's like, you
know, it's hard to think that

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this used to be much Gardens and
trees.

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And, you know, just the ways
that he was talking about, it's

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kind of like, it's a whole
different thing that because, of

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course, his darkest dreary,
it's, you know, it's a lot of

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stone.
There is a void there that you

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can fall into again.
Like I said, it reminded me of

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Lord, of the Rings when they
were in the mines of Moria.

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Leah trying to get out.
It has a very similar field for

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me and I think that's that's
intentional because you're the

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requests that are on requires
them to go through a dungeon, a

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dark path way to get to their
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Yeah that's a Trope.
It is it is and my the Black

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Wind, my chin chin.
Is there a lot of theories about

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whether it is but it may have
been a parasite that was in

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there that got corrupted.
Well and just kind of X.

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OK.
Or this could be a part of that

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corruption that's in there
because you know, the waves are

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just completely corrupted.
They are appear the old year, do

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have a remember, I talked about
the terrain Grill.

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The our Grill in the Sangre, oh
yes.

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Instead of using the one power
they actually use interrogatory.

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Oh, that would open and close
the they could actually build

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new Pathways.
But Once the breaking happened,

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and it will actually when it
became corrupted, they stopped

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making new Pathways, okay, okay.
But that was a gift from the

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men, and it's like this because
of that, that corruption that

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was in their mail their side of
the power.

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Okay, okay, so, yes.
I as a walking through the ways,

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you know, you have these
different low conversations

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going on, where, I think Moraine
and lamb we're talking about.

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So what if it was Matt?
And you know, Moraine is kind of

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like, well, you know, he did
have the darkness and the

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Darkness was, you know, the
darkness from the dagger was

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feeding off of him as much as he
was feeding off of it and then

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last says, well what if it's him
and I was like, I know he's

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talking about ran and I know she
knows he's talking about Ram but

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at the same time it's kind of
like what parent is still there

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too.
So obviously Karen.

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Is not.
He's not the Dragon.

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But he is something else that
could be powerful, right?

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And this, so it's a weird
because as they're walking

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through these, this dark, you
know, the cavern is Pitch Black,

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except, for where they have
their torches, and he's walking,

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and he was like, there's
something up ahead and, you

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know, the camera pans to the
front and there's nothing but

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black day, I was like, oh, those
Wolfie eyes are starting to come

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in handy, huh?
Yeah, but then the werewolves in

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this world, it's not In the ways
are in this world period.

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This in this world period, okay?
So so if he is something he's

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not a werewolf, really like
maybe a shape-shifter or

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something werewolves as we know
them.

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Do not exist.
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In this world I'm picking up
what you're putting down, I got

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you.
So he is a okay, there are

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shape.
Shifters there's werewolves and

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then there are going back to Tru
blood To Nature where they're

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both at the same time but
they're not necessarily one of

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the other.
So, is he is this genetic or is

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this Magic based?
Is that woman.

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I don't want to know.
Oh no, well I'm just asking the

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question because I that's one of
the few things because I read

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the first book that really got
my attention because whenever

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they bring someone like that out
into a story, they're not going

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to be the final hero, but they
are going to have a very Evie,

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assistant type role.
And usually it's something that

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involves them that's going to
help the person get to the next

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level.
So for him, he's one of the most

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interesting characters about the
whole series for me.

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Hmm.
Waste, your typical Quest Trope

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and fantasy, you have the night,
you have a beast, you have a

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princess and you have religious
power than yeah.

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Right.
And you have the Sorceress or

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sorcerer, I mean you you have
all the elements you had two

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Rogue but he decided not to come
right.

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You have all here elements of a
good fantasy stupid.

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Well, it's like I was, I got was
I started tell you earlier this

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whole thing that I'm watching it
because I've been reading

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Fiction science fiction fantasy,
all my life.

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So you but this reminds me of a
either a dumb down Dungeons and

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Dragons or a domed up forgotten
around storyline.

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Basically, you just don't have
driven anywhere or Tesla Health

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burfoot, but this is what it's
like, you have a coloring book

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check mark here.
Check mark here, check mark

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here, it's like down the line
but the question is is how

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effectively did they?
Tell the story because just like

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Laura's Rings.
Just like The Hobbit movies,

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just like some of the other
fancy stuff that I've watched

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inara.
They start out with the premise.

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But in order to appeal to the TV
audience, they kind of go off on

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her own because they think.
Well, how about this?

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How that I say, instead of doing
all that?

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How about you for once like the
expanse, did put out the actual

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story and see whether or not the
audience liked it and then go

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back and tweak its second
season.

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I mean, that's my two cents in.
If they get a second season, you

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know, we just had this
conversation on Arthurian

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Legends, show about how a lot of
these shows.

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They don't even get a chance to
prove yourselves in, right?

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You can season because a lot of
these streamer platforms are a

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lot of these companies are so
quick to cancel them in the

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first.
Now this hat, we don't so we

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don't know about second season
for this, right?

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For will time.
Yeah, yeah they're yeah.

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And I think they got renewed for
a third season especially while

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talking about going on a leap of
faith.

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Okay.
Yeah, they renewed it for two

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seasons at the same time and
this was I think maybe right

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before the end of the first
season, again, we're kind of

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recording this episode a little
bit after you know, the the

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first season premiere.
But yeah, I think they got

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renewed for season 2, Season 3
matter.

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Fact, we already have a teaser
trailer for season two, and I

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think season to a supposed to
Premiere sometime later on this

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year, but I don't think they've,
I don't think they've announced

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a date yet.
They probably will, maybe

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around.
I would assume they're probably

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going to announce a date around
Comic-Con.

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Okay, they'll probably have a
full trailer by being see.

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Here's, here's my other little
nitpick.

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We watch a lot of fans.
And I keep going back to what I

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consider the gold standard
showing boat every time I watch

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the fancy like show these days I
compared the shell and Bone.

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I don't mean to laugh settlement
bones.

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Go standard really.
Yes?

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Okay, yes, it is the gold
standard because discovery,

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which is no longer on TV and
that was definitely a gold

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standard should have got one
more season but I mean, it's

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like You watch the stuff you
want to watch this.

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Every, if I had my choice, I
would watch Star Trek, Star Wars

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Doctor, Who and fantasy all day
long.

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Okay.
Literally, you know, in and out

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of that order and give me a good
fantasy.

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Give me, you know what I have?
But yeah, So yeah gold standard

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yeah I kind of I kind of agree
with Lori in that because Shadow

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and bone is one of the shows
that I feel when they did the

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adaptation from book to scream,
you know one of the one of the

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things that was different about
it is that there are two

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separate Series in this book
universe that deal with two

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separate sets of characters and
the show.

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Very seamlessly wove, those
stories together to create the

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show and I think it is one of
the better adaptations out there

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because they did keep a lot of
things that were Central to the

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books and they did tweak some
other things but the things that

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they tweak I feel enhance the
story as opposed to taking away

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from it.
You know.

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I agree 100%.
Yeah okay there there are two

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things.
The two things like in am I

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looking at it as an adaptation
and how it's done as the

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adaptation?
Where am I looking at it as a

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standalone show without
consideration of the source

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material?
If I'm watching Wheel of Time as

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just the show itself and not
considering adaptation, it's

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actually not bad.
It's beautifully shot.

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The acting is actually pretty
decent the, the pacing is a

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little off, but when I compare
it to Shadow and Bone, For me

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it's a toe bone.
Is if e to me, it's not I don't

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know, I'm not is into the world
as I am with the world here.

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I think the characters here
appealed to me slightly more

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than the characters in Shadow
and bone health, because you

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bully.
Brings it all down for me

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because I cannot stand this for,
and his kills me, whatever.

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That's fair.
But I had to take my dress.

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For shot.
But but I understand which all

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is saying he said, no bone,
their production quality is a

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little bit better, then the
production quality of this show

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but the effects in this show, I
think are much better than

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showing bone.
I think is really just a

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personal preference happening.
I just take issue with

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chattering boy, band called the
gold standard.

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I'm just basically, I think Lord
of the Rings.

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The ring of power is gold
standard to me now, I I like

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everything about this show, I
haven't seen it by.

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I'm going to actually give you
that because what I have seen,

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gorgeously shot the the
characters, the costumes.

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Like I said, I'll get into that
maybe this summer depending on

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when I have time.
But I'll give you the standard

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Of all standards is of course,
the Lord of the Rings movies,

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once you get those, you move
yourself down.

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Okay, we talked briefly about
Mists of Avalon, that is another

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gold standard as far as shooting
and filming and then you move

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your move your weight out.
If this was dragonlance and they

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decide to do, I'm going to pull
one out of my hat Legend of

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whom, which is a huge story that
they told later on.

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I think it was about book, 18 or
19 of the series, but it is so

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legendary about Out this
mythical Warrior / dragon and

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how they found it and took over
the world and took it down.

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There was a prophecy know that
if they would say, hey we're

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going to do that and Amazon's
going to do it and we have Wheel

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of Time.
I'm actually probably going to

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watch the Dragon launch Legend
of whom I because I'm watching

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this and it's grainy on me
because I want the ice and I to

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be better, I want more just
shush.

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And like I said, if we weren't
podcasting, I probably would

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watch this, hmm because I it's
just it just gets under my skin

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just a little bit.
And the only other thing I want

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to say is as far as the quest
rope goes in, you have Shadow

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and Bone and you have the little
time which pretty much follows

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the standards.
It's a little bit different

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because sometimes the Riders
will do the Trope differently

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because they don't want it to be
like, with the what we

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traditionally know, as a quest.
Rope, right.

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Did you all your standard
characters?

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That's why I like doing is a
power.

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So much is it doesn't
necessarily follow the quest.

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True.
Okay, right.

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You know, I don't see right now,
but it doesn't seem like it's

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going to track that way at all.
Okay, is this day?

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The Shadow and Bone?
You have all of your different

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players are all separated and I
guess at some point they will

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come together, but, whatever
Quest they have for here, we

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start out with the group
together and being their

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quizzing together.
And now they're starting to fall

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apart.
Uh-huh.

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00:28:30,900 --> 00:28:34,900
So I actually like the quest
rope a lot and most all fantasy

449
00:28:34,900 --> 00:28:38,300
and we But it's all fantasy and
sci-fi fantasy will kind of

450
00:28:38,300 --> 00:28:40,500
follow the same.
You see it?

451
00:28:40,500 --> 00:28:44,000
The more you read, the more you
see it and somebody was like to

452
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,500
do it differently than others.
And sometimes the way The Wheel

453
00:28:46,500 --> 00:28:50,900
of Time is doing the show may
not necessarily be your cup of

454
00:28:50,900 --> 00:28:55,800
tea, as opposed to seeing the
relationships, develop in

455
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:59,300
something, like Shadow and Bone.
Where, you know, at some point,

456
00:28:59,300 --> 00:29:00,800
they're all going to come
together.

457
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:02,900
But you see the different pieces
there.

458
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,200
Yeah.
That may appeal more to some

459
00:29:05,300 --> 00:29:06,700
People as well.
Yeah.

460
00:29:06,700 --> 00:29:09,600
But like you say, even the
writers of even the writers of

461
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:13,900
dance show knew that they had to
go get the other book and

462
00:29:13,900 --> 00:29:17,100
incorporated into the show
because Shadow and Bone.

463
00:29:17,100 --> 00:29:20,100
By itself wasn't going to be
enough to support the show.

464
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,100
Yeah.
I think as a show, it would have

465
00:29:23,100 --> 00:29:27,000
been very one-dimensional and it
would have, it literally would

466
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,800
have bled into everything else,
you know, just kind of gotten

467
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:36,500
lost in the shuffle.
And I think the addition of the

468
00:29:36,500 --> 00:29:42,100
crows, really enhance the story
because also to like with the

469
00:29:42,100 --> 00:29:44,800
books, there are so many other
things going on with other

470
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:48,800
characters that we have not
gotten and probably will not get

471
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:53,200
the second season is going to be
interesting because they are

472
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:57,600
talking about bringing elements
of both the second and third

473
00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,100
book into it.
So we'll see.

474
00:29:59,100 --> 00:30:04,300
But going back to the will of
time I actually and maybe this

475
00:30:04,300 --> 00:30:07,800
is because Cuz I don't know
anything about the literary

476
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:11,500
version of the story, but I
actually have no problems with

477
00:30:11,500 --> 00:30:13,500
the way that they're telling the
show, you know, there have been

478
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,700
a couple of times where it's
just kind of like, okay.

479
00:30:15,700 --> 00:30:18,900
I feel like we need more
information but also I know that

480
00:30:18,900 --> 00:30:22,500
a lot of times with shows like
this they'll tell us the story

481
00:30:22,500 --> 00:30:25,400
that's that's happening now and
then like we got at the

482
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:29,300
beginning of this episode, you
get little pieces of the past to

483
00:30:29,300 --> 00:30:33,600
kind of come in and fill in
those elements and then you get

484
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:39,600
You get other elements of the
story told in different ways

485
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,800
that that were completely
unexpected.

486
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:46,800
Like, I completely did not
expect the whole thing with

487
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:51,600
lands back story that came out
of nowhere for me but I love the

488
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:56,100
way that they told it because I
feel like it came about very

489
00:30:56,100 --> 00:31:01,000
organically like of course he's
in this he's in this new place

490
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:05,100
that we've not been introduced
to and it's like when They walk

491
00:31:05,100 --> 00:31:10,800
into the callous immediately.
Everyone there is like showing

492
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:15,900
him respect which if you think
about the way that they've Set

493
00:31:15,900 --> 00:31:18,100
This World up.
You know, that I said I are the

494
00:31:18,100 --> 00:31:21,700
important ones.
In the waters are important but

495
00:31:21,700 --> 00:31:25,100
they're not as important as I
said I, you know, they're very

496
00:31:25,100 --> 00:31:31,500
basically, as props as support.
and so the fact that when, when

497
00:31:31,500 --> 00:31:38,000
they walk in is more rain and
land together and everyone They

498
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:42,900
greet him first and they say,
you know, the dai-chien that

499
00:31:42,900 --> 00:31:45,700
nickname, I was like, okay,
that's something important

500
00:31:45,700 --> 00:31:51,100
because the way the is almost
like the roles reversed with

501
00:31:51,100 --> 00:31:54,300
them, like they spoke to him
first and then they spoke to

502
00:31:54,300 --> 00:31:58,700
meringue even the leader.
The lord of the castle spoke to

503
00:31:58,700 --> 00:32:01,300
land first and then spoke to
her.

504
00:32:01,300 --> 00:32:03,700
And, you know, they throw a
little things in there.

505
00:32:03,700 --> 00:32:06,700
Like the guy said, welcome home,
you know, you great ugly,

506
00:32:06,700 --> 00:32:08,800
bastard.
Something, you know, just very

507
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:13,600
playful, but I was like, okay.
So this is where land is from So

508
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:17,800
naturally they would greet him
but it's the level of respect

509
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:22,900
that you see them show him and I
was like, oh he's something,

510
00:32:22,900 --> 00:32:27,000
he's somebody very important
here we can if you want to keep

511
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,700
going with the other stuff, we
can Circle back to land, we can

512
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,500
oh, cuz this, oh we're
definitely coming back to Circle

513
00:32:33,500 --> 00:32:37,200
back to land because the way
that that story even came out,

514
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,400
I'm like, oh yes, we need to
talk about that.

515
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:46,400
But yeah, let's go back to let's
go back to the So yeah, while

516
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,800
they're sitting there resting,
of course.

517
00:32:50,700 --> 00:32:55,200
At rollick shows up and this is
Apparently one of the things

518
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,800
that's not supposed to happen
like Charlie's or not supposed

519
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:01,100
to be in the ways, but as they
mentioned, that could explain

520
00:33:01,100 --> 00:33:04,500
how the Tri-Lakes got to the two
rivers undetected because that

521
00:33:04,500 --> 00:33:08,000
has been the question.
Even when meringue was at the

522
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,700
tower, they were like, so how to
try?

523
00:33:10,700 --> 00:33:13,700
Looks like thousands of
trolleys.

524
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:18,400
Get to the two rivers and you
didn't warn anybody and she's

525
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,400
like well I kind of didn't know
they were coming.

526
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,200
How did you not know this?
But if they were traveling

527
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:30,200
through this, mystical magical,
interdimensional space, then, no

528
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:36,100
one would know, you know, but
the child looks come and they

529
00:33:36,100 --> 00:33:39,900
start running.
And, you know, they mentioned my

530
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,900
marching Shin, which is the
black, when black member and

531
00:33:43,900 --> 00:33:47,500
tells them, whatever it says,
human my attention, will try to

532
00:33:47,500 --> 00:33:49,200
talk to you or we'll talk to
you.

533
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,700
We'll speak to you.
Don't listen to anything.

534
00:33:51,700 --> 00:33:56,400
It says.
And then Matthew Shin starts

535
00:33:56,400 --> 00:34:02,100
talking and the things we hear
him say to the different people,

536
00:34:02,100 --> 00:34:07,300
like he tells Moraine that she's
leading them to their deaths.

537
00:34:07,300 --> 00:34:11,900
She's not going to be able to
accomplish anything that that

538
00:34:11,900 --> 00:34:17,000
she wants.
It tells 9 Eve that she won't be

539
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,300
able to protect them.
She's going to hear their

540
00:34:19,300 --> 00:34:22,600
screams just like she heard her
parents frames.

541
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:27,500
It tells pairing that you really
wanted Layla to die Because You

542
00:34:27,500 --> 00:34:32,100
Loved another woman more than
you loved your wife and it tells

543
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:38,100
it tells egwene you're an
imposter imposter.

544
00:34:38,199 --> 00:34:40,600
Yeah.
You're an imposter fraud and it

545
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:44,199
tells ran, you know Wayne will
never love you as much as you

546
00:34:44,199 --> 00:34:46,699
loved her.
She loved she left you want,

547
00:34:46,699 --> 00:34:52,199
she'll leave you again and man.
I think it says something to him

548
00:34:52,199 --> 00:34:54,000
about you.
You won't be able to protect

549
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,900
her.
And I was just like, Okay, so

550
00:34:56,900 --> 00:34:59,900
this thing is basically telling
everybody.

551
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:05,600
They're, you know, their deepest
darkest fear, right?

552
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:09,000
Yeah.
But if almost like it affected,

553
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:13,200
95 more because it says, you
know, you won't be able to

554
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,000
protect them.
They'll die screaming.

555
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,400
Just as you're just like, you
heard your parents, you'll do

556
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:23,500
nothing to save them and she's
like, okay, you know, what?

557
00:35:23,500 --> 00:35:28,300
Fuck you And she stands up on
like one of the purchase and

558
00:35:28,300 --> 00:35:32,600
what it said, one by one, one by
one, you'll have nothing, you'll

559
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:38,100
have no, you have nothing and no
one and she gets up there lad

560
00:35:38,100 --> 00:35:41,600
tried to stop her and she's just
walking and she lets out this

561
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:47,700
know and this scream and this
big ball of white light.

562
00:35:47,900 --> 00:35:51,800
And, and that's a crazy thing.
It was contained, it's not like

563
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,500
it was white light all over, she
made.

564
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:59,400
This ball to protect all of them
from the black win and I was

565
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:03,400
like, yeah.
There's something more to this

566
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:07,100
girl than they.
All have any idea about it

567
00:36:07,107 --> 00:36:09,200
because she was powerful.
And I think this was the first

568
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:13,800
time that pairing and egwene
really saw her do that.

569
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:17,300
I don't think.
I don't think ran has seen it

570
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:23,600
either, but we didn't see like
his reaction, but you see parent

571
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:25,300
and you see it Gwen looking at
her.

572
00:36:25,300 --> 00:36:29,400
Like, holy shit.
Is she, I think only was Moran

573
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,700
was even conscious when she
healed everyone.

574
00:36:33,100 --> 00:36:36,900
I don't think so.
I don't think anybody was I

575
00:36:36,900 --> 00:36:40,000
don't have to go back.
See, who ran into the cake?

576
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,500
Because she ran into the cave?
Yes, some of the sheet but she

577
00:36:43,500 --> 00:36:47,800
was one of the people who also
got injured when yeah, the Falls

578
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:49,500
Dragon.
I forgot what it was.

579
00:36:49,500 --> 00:36:53,900
He exploded something.
Then there it was it was either

580
00:36:53,900 --> 00:36:58,300
accept or dagger things at X.
I think it was an axe because

581
00:36:58,300 --> 00:37:01,700
there were a lot of pieces that
went into all those people.

582
00:37:01,700 --> 00:37:05,000
So I don't know.
Maybe more rain saw a little

583
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,100
bit, but I don't remember, I
don't think she knew it had to

584
00:37:08,100 --> 00:37:10,300
be a lot because he healed
everybody.

585
00:37:10,300 --> 00:37:20,200
Yeah, yeah.
So But yes, a wild nine Eve is

586
00:37:21,100 --> 00:37:24,000
blocking the Black Wind from
getting to them.

587
00:37:25,100 --> 00:37:30,900
More rain is opening up a portal
to go to not not to where they

588
00:37:30,900 --> 00:37:33,400
want it to go.
But to go to I forgot what was

589
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:39,700
the name of the place.
Was here Farm adding hmm I can't

590
00:37:39,700 --> 00:37:44,000
remember file dhara.
Yes that one that one for dark

591
00:37:45,100 --> 00:37:51,600
but there was something
interesting in the case when the

592
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:55,000
Black Wind was coming at them
and the trollops were coming

593
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:59,700
towards them.
And I wasn't sure if I saw it

594
00:37:59,700 --> 00:38:03,400
correctly, until he appeared
later on in the episode.

595
00:38:03,900 --> 00:38:12,500
But Pat and fame was in the
waves and I was like Oh him

596
00:38:12,500 --> 00:38:15,600
evil.
That was like that.

597
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:22,400
Like and I don't know.
Of course we don't really see

598
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,900
him much through the rest of the
episode.

599
00:38:24,900 --> 00:38:29,500
There's a scene where a parent
and egwene all of them, they're

600
00:38:29,500 --> 00:38:33,900
walking through the town and
Perón seized him and he stops

601
00:38:33,900 --> 00:38:36,900
and he looks and I need is like,
what's wrong.

602
00:38:36,900 --> 00:38:40,700
He was like, just saw Pat in
vain and she was like, No, he

603
00:38:40,700 --> 00:38:42,600
was in the he was in the two
rivers.

604
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:46,800
When the trollops attacked, he's
dead and parent is like, I know

605
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:50,400
what I saw.
I know what my Wolfie whatever.

606
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:54,300
We are golden, I saw that was
panting faint.

607
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:59,400
So I was like, okay.
So obviously he has some

608
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:03,700
nefarious thing that he's a part
of, but again we don't really

609
00:39:03,700 --> 00:39:07,200
see him in this episode.
You see them briefly in the

610
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:10,400
cave, you see him when he walks
out of the caves. oh, and you

611
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:13,800
see him when he's walking
through the city, but I was like

612
00:39:14,900 --> 00:39:19,200
So was he the one that left the
Tri-Lakes in the ways and if so

613
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:23,400
then what does that mean he is
because when we first meet him

614
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:26,300
he's just a you know he's just a
cart vendor.

615
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:33,500
Yeah, I don't know to keep the
book and visceral separate, I

616
00:39:33,500 --> 00:39:36,000
don't know where they're going
with him, so I don't want to

617
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,300
say, he's not the one that
brought the trailer, okay?

618
00:39:39,300 --> 00:39:44,500
I don't want to say that but it
just shows making me think that

619
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,100
The way they're riding it, he
did.

620
00:39:47,300 --> 00:39:50,400
Okay?
See, I get that too because I'm

621
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,500
a dancing with the books versus
the TV.

622
00:39:52,500 --> 00:39:55,400
That me there wasn't anything.
He would have had a girl, he

623
00:39:55,400 --> 00:40:02,200
would have gone all the way to
the blight, find a portal that

624
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:07,100
he could open and then he went
first and then sent the trial in

625
00:40:07,100 --> 00:40:10,400
the tribes came through later
but he I don't know.

626
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:18,200
I don't know.
Of it, you know, don't really

627
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:19,700
math for me.
Okay.

628
00:40:19,700 --> 00:40:23,500
But I could see kind of withered
that, that might be one of the

629
00:40:23,500 --> 00:40:27,200
things were going with.
So so answer, my question is, is

630
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:31,700
that if you are a follower
obviously he is, but do you get

631
00:40:31,700 --> 00:40:34,300
power?
The more devoted you are to the

632
00:40:34,300 --> 00:40:38,300
cause or do they just give you
like, just a, like a one time,

633
00:40:38,500 --> 00:40:41,600
maybe Extra Protection and then
you serve do their bidding type

634
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:45,300
of a thing.
It's a difficult question.

635
00:40:45,900 --> 00:40:50,000
Oh come on, okay let me ask a
simpler one, well I'll tell you.

636
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:53,500
Okay, in general, there is the
true source.

637
00:40:54,700 --> 00:40:56,500
Which were all the power comes
from.

638
00:40:56,500 --> 00:41:00,800
And then there's the one power
in the 1 power is divided into

639
00:41:01,900 --> 00:41:05,800
citing inside are just a male
and female side of the power.

640
00:41:06,100 --> 00:41:11,300
The one power, the dark one he
does have the ability to give

641
00:41:11,300 --> 00:41:13,900
people access to the true
Source.

642
00:41:14,700 --> 00:41:18,900
Okay?
And if it's almost a now, the

643
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:22,500
peasant thing is not a
Channeler, okay?

644
00:41:22,500 --> 00:41:24,400
Alright.
That's kind of what they

645
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,300
consider.
A dark friend Die free.

646
00:41:26,700 --> 00:41:30,100
This looks like there.
That's what it, because that

647
00:41:30,100 --> 00:41:32,700
seems like you.
Like he's looking like he's a

648
00:41:32,700 --> 00:41:39,600
dark, okay.
He's also sort of Con man, like

649
00:41:40,100 --> 00:41:43,100
he sort of out for himself and
is trying to get over on people

650
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,500
and he could also be looking at
this as a way to kind of, he's

651
00:41:46,500 --> 00:41:52,600
is his his desire to want to
have more and take from people

652
00:41:53,500 --> 00:41:56,400
could be something that The Dark
One is using to manipulate,

653
00:41:56,500 --> 00:42:00,000
okay?
Okay, but he could also be dark

654
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,200
friend but like right now, the
dart friends don't try to be out

655
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:07,000
in the open too much because I
said, I tend to squash them.

656
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:11,400
Well, actually, he wasn't either
like he was in the caves and the

657
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:16,300
only reason why I saw him was
because you had the light from 9

658
00:42:16,300 --> 00:42:19,200
Eve's.
I don't even know what you want

659
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,400
to call a reaction explosion
whatever.

660
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:25,300
And you just kind of saw him
over to the side and it's almost

661
00:42:25,300 --> 00:42:28,300
like the way that with the
coloring of his clothes and the

662
00:42:28,300 --> 00:42:32,200
way that the the lighting was if
you weren't really paying

663
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,400
attention you would have missed
them.

664
00:42:34,900 --> 00:42:37,600
Hmm.
Like it's so he wasn't there

665
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:42,600
obviously and then obviously he
came out long after they had

666
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:49,700
already entered the city and you
know I don't know if him passing

667
00:42:49,700 --> 00:42:54,800
by pairing in the city was
something on purpose but nobody

668
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:58,400
else noticed him it was clearly
on Purpose because he was

669
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:01,300
laughing, he walked by oh, was
he?

670
00:43:01,300 --> 00:43:05,600
I didn't even know.
He was laughing laughing from

671
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:07,000
behind.
He was laughing.

672
00:43:07,500 --> 00:43:10,700
And he also did that earlier.
When he popped up in the

673
00:43:10,700 --> 00:43:12,900
background we didn't see, he was
smiling too.

674
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:19,200
So this is like a game for him.
But yes, I do believe they're

675
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:25,300
trying to make him out to be a
dark friend, but I also consider

676
00:43:25,300 --> 00:43:29,500
the possibility that they're
they're going to milled a lot of

677
00:43:29,500 --> 00:43:32,800
characters together.
And it's possible that they're

678
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,800
going to melt him with another
character that shows up later.

679
00:43:36,100 --> 00:43:39,200
So I'm still trying to figure
that out, okay?

680
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:42,000
But for the purposes of this
show because like the bartender,

681
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:46,200
she was a dark friend but you
didn't know it until she told.

682
00:43:46,300 --> 00:43:49,500
Told you and that's usually how
dark friend operate.

683
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:51,800
Oh, okay.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

684
00:43:51,900 --> 00:43:54,100
I was thinking about the
bartender that was in this.

685
00:43:54,100 --> 00:43:56,200
Oh, no, not me.
Yeah.

686
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,800
Yeah.
Mean is not, okay?

687
00:44:01,100 --> 00:44:04,600
Okay.
So they come through.

688
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:08,500
So the answer Lori's original
question is yes, but it doesn't

689
00:44:08,500 --> 00:44:11,600
have, it doesn't really have
anything to do with devotion.

690
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,800
When he does that, okay?
Okay, okay.

691
00:44:15,900 --> 00:44:18,700
Just yeah, that was in the back
of my mind because like I said

692
00:44:18,700 --> 00:44:21,300
you see him pops up Pops in pops
out.

693
00:44:21,300 --> 00:44:26,900
So okay, all the Forsaken are
formally former I see that so

694
00:44:26,900 --> 00:44:31,700
they already have access to the
world to know that I'm sorry.

695
00:44:32,100 --> 00:44:34,400
Okay?
It was saving that during the

696
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:40,700
Golden Age. 3,000 years ago.
Those I've survived it turned to

697
00:44:40,700 --> 00:44:43,400
the dark side.
The Forsaken.

698
00:44:44,100 --> 00:44:45,900
Okay.
Okay.

699
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:50,900
All right.
Okay, so they're out of the ways

700
00:44:50,900 --> 00:44:55,500
now they're answering filed hour
and I was like--.

701
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:01,400
I'm guessing lands.
Identity is not really that much

702
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,500
of a secret because L'Oreal when
they were walking through the

703
00:45:04,500 --> 00:45:07,700
gates, he said, how long has it
been since you stepped inside

704
00:45:07,700 --> 00:45:10,000
these Gates land?
Never answered him.

705
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:13,500
But I was like, I was a lawyer,
I'll knows that this is where

706
00:45:13,500 --> 00:45:18,100
land is from.
So is Lands identity well-known.

707
00:45:18,700 --> 00:45:20,800
Yes, okay.
Okay.

708
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,800
Yeah, he's malky here is his
home?

709
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:26,800
Mmm.
Yeah, I'm out here.

710
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:32,100
As the Borderlands, they board
along the blight for Dora and

711
00:45:32,100 --> 00:45:36,900
and sign our or different places
Malik here is further north

712
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:38,600
okay.
And it was overtaken by

713
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:42,400
Charlie's in the blight, okay?
And the blight is something like

714
00:45:42,500 --> 00:45:45,700
they started mentioning this
thing in this episode and I was

715
00:45:45,700 --> 00:45:47,900
like, what is the blight?
Yeah.

716
00:45:47,900 --> 00:45:52,800
They there's one criticism that
I really have this show is they

717
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:56,300
don't give you a lot of
necessary information.

718
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:00,000
Buy things that you need to know
like I don't know if they were

719
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,300
holding back about the blight
for some reason I think I

720
00:46:02,308 --> 00:46:06,400
mentioned in passing before but
the Bly is fairly important.

721
00:46:06,700 --> 00:46:09,300
Yeah yeah.
And it's fairly huge from what

722
00:46:09,300 --> 00:46:12,700
we see at the end of the episode
because we see random more rain,

723
00:46:12,700 --> 00:46:18,800
getting ready to answer it and
it's like this I don't even know

724
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:21,300
how to describe it.
It's almost like this.

725
00:46:21,300 --> 00:46:26,900
Huge magical overgrowth, that
literally swallows up cities

726
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:29,500
before.
It's the Forbidden Forest.

727
00:46:29,500 --> 00:46:31,200
But yeah.
Okay.

728
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,500
It is, it is okay.
I'm going not going to get too

729
00:46:34,500 --> 00:46:38,200
technical, but this is how I
like to describe it is the dark

730
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:43,400
ones physical manifestation of
his corruption in the world.

731
00:46:43,900 --> 00:46:47,100
Okay.
And it looks like those Vines

732
00:46:47,100 --> 00:46:50,700
From Evolution that I was
talking about on another show,

733
00:46:51,100 --> 00:46:54,200
but yeah, that it looks like and
it's just creeping, is, is

734
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:57,100
creeping down and the Tropics
living me.

735
00:46:57,100 --> 00:47:01,000
And that's, that's what the
shinar and father.

736
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,300
That's where all this would be
talk about fighting all the

737
00:47:03,308 --> 00:47:06,500
time, okay?
If they're, they're keeping the

738
00:47:06,500 --> 00:47:10,800
trial except at Bay Ryan baby.
And apparently this thing takes

739
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:14,400
over, like, it takes over the
land, it takes over their

740
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:17,200
cities.
And that's what happened to the

741
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:21,000
seven towers of Mac here that
would land us from overtake.

742
00:47:21,300 --> 00:47:24,100
And we find that out, we'll talk
about, we'll talk about that

743
00:47:24,100 --> 00:47:27,900
later because I got some other
stuff to tie in with that whole

744
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:31,300
conversation.
But like I mentioned earlier,

745
00:47:31,700 --> 00:47:35,700
this is where we realized, you
know, like I said, you realize

746
00:47:35,700 --> 00:47:39,100
that land is someone important
because of the way that the

747
00:47:39,100 --> 00:47:43,300
soldiers when they come in and
they see him it's like their

748
00:47:43,300 --> 00:47:47,400
whole body language.
JH like they stood up straighter

749
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:51,000
and they, you know, they bout to
him, they show them respect, and

750
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,400
it's just the way that they said
that name died.

751
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:58,800
Shin is like, oh, he's important
because they're speaking to him.

752
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,200
They haven't even addressed more
rain yet.

753
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:04,400
And I don't even think they
address Moraine until they're in

754
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:14,700
the throne room with Lord
Albemarle. that's so I was like

755
00:48:14,700 --> 00:48:21,400
okay Lan is kinda sorta
important here and this Lord he

756
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:25,500
is he is respectful towards
land, he's respectful towards

757
00:48:25,500 --> 00:48:32,300
Moraine For bitch.
And then he's not disrespectful

758
00:48:32,300 --> 00:48:36,300
towards Moraine but he's very
arrogant because before she can

759
00:48:36,300 --> 00:48:38,400
even say what they were there
for.

760
00:48:38,700 --> 00:48:44,000
He immediately assumes that the
I said I sent her because the

761
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,800
blight is creeping up and he was
like we know how to protect our

762
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:48,300
own.
We don't need any help from

763
00:48:48,300 --> 00:48:49,800
outside, blah, blah, blah, blah
blah.

764
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:53,600
And she was like if you would
let me finish and then that's

765
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:58,600
when he was like, oh okay.
But that's when, you know, she

766
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:01,800
was telling him, that's just
they were coming with a warning

767
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:04,500
that, you know, the dragon is
gathering his forces and blah,

768
00:49:04,500 --> 00:49:07,900
blah, blah, blah, blah, and he's
just sitting there looking.

769
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:10,800
And the other thing that
bothered me was the way he

770
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:14,200
talked about his sister because
his sister beautiful woman.

771
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:19,100
Apparently powerful she
mentioned, they mentioned later

772
00:49:19,100 --> 00:49:21,800
on that.
She did go to the the White

773
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,100
Tower.
She did train with the I said, I

774
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:27,300
and apparently she was not
strong enough to become One of

775
00:49:27,308 --> 00:49:30,900
them but she is still, you know,
I guess power.

776
00:49:30,900 --> 00:49:33,200
Yeah.
Be I have mentioned before that

777
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:36,400
the royal family of the
different kingdoms with sin.

778
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:40,600
They're princesses or you know
anyone who's going to marry into

779
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:44,700
the royal family, possibly being
the wife of a king or queen or

780
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,600
if they're going to be a queen
they all go to the White Tower

781
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:50,700
to train, okay?
And build find out if they have

782
00:49:50,700 --> 00:49:54,200
power in that and if not, they
still stay there and train them

783
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:58,000
because you know, Rod.
So that I like to manipulate

784
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:02,300
everything.
And, you know, earlier, I think

785
00:50:02,300 --> 00:50:06,500
you said something about, people
respect the ice of that, most of

786
00:50:06,508 --> 00:50:11,200
the common folk are very
distrustful, so that's that and

787
00:50:11,300 --> 00:50:15,500
even more.
So the Borderland people, they

788
00:50:15,500 --> 00:50:17,600
don't trust a lot of people who
aren't from the Borderlands,

789
00:50:21,700 --> 00:50:24,000
definitely do not trust.
Okay.

790
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:27,600
Definitely do not trust.
I stock and most Most of your

791
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:32,100
kingdoms most of them, you know,
even when you go to a lien and

792
00:50:32,100 --> 00:50:35,700
tear, they don't care too much
for the eyes of that, but that's

793
00:50:35,700 --> 00:50:38,300
that tend to have their hands
and everything trying to

794
00:50:38,300 --> 00:50:40,800
manipulate everything.
I mean, that's why they that's

795
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:44,600
why they drove swan out when she
used her power.

796
00:50:44,900 --> 00:50:47,000
Yeah.
Because she's even the tear.

797
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:50,000
Yeah.
And even low gain when little

798
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:53,000
game he was dead serious.
When you say, you know, ten

799
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:56,400
years ago if I had said anything
against us die.

800
00:50:57,100 --> 00:51:01,200
I've been slaving hung and all
that stuff right now.

801
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:04,200
She had nobody to chastise that.
Yeah.

802
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:07,500
Yeah.
Which in Robert and Robert

803
00:51:07,500 --> 00:51:12,100
George's Brilliance is showing
how imbalanced the world is

804
00:51:12,900 --> 00:51:15,900
because there was a time when
everyone trusted I survived but

805
00:51:15,900 --> 00:51:20,300
then I said I broke the world.
So okay.

806
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:25,000
You know, the other, the other
funny thing that I noticed in

807
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:29,200
this scene where, you know, of
course, I'm starting to notice

808
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:34,100
the the chain or the shift in
Attitude between land and

809
00:51:34,100 --> 00:51:38,300
Moraine when they appear in
front of Loreal.

810
00:51:38,300 --> 00:51:43,300
Gamar.
Lan looks like, even though they

811
00:51:43,300 --> 00:51:46,900
just came out of the ways and
they were fighting and all this

812
00:51:46,900 --> 00:51:51,300
other stuff, land looks very
neat very well presented.

813
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:55,300
Very well put together and
Moraine looks like she has been

814
00:51:55,300 --> 00:51:59,200
run through the wringer and I
was like oh this is interesting

815
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:02,400
how they I don't know if that
was on purpose but every time

816
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:06,600
that we've seen a rain she's
been very neatly quaffed.

817
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:11,700
She's been very Regal in her
presentation and in this one

818
00:52:11,700 --> 00:52:15,900
like you can tell she has been
through some shit and I just

819
00:52:15,900 --> 00:52:18,900
thought that was very
interesting because again this

820
00:52:18,900 --> 00:52:23,600
is where I noticed.
Even before he met his reveal.

821
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:27,700
Oh, Lana someone important in
this place, you know, in this

822
00:52:27,700 --> 00:52:32,000
city.
I mean, even the Lord spoke to

823
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:36,900
him with kind of, you know,
reverence, in a way, it sounds

824
00:52:36,900 --> 00:52:38,800
like we will Circle back to
that.

825
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:42,400
Yeah.
All right.

826
00:52:44,100 --> 00:52:49,300
But you know, she starts telling
him about the Tri-Lakes and the

827
00:52:49,300 --> 00:52:52,000
attack and how they may be using
the ways.

828
00:52:52,300 --> 00:52:55,700
And I will say this for him to
be as arrogant as he is.

829
00:52:56,100 --> 00:52:58,700
And for him to say, oh we can
protect our own blah, blah blah.

830
00:52:58,700 --> 00:53:00,900
She was like, okay, why I come
to you with a warning?

831
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:07,000
The Tri-Lakes are moving through
the ways and you may want to go

832
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:08,700
ahead.
He was she was like, I know you

833
00:53:08,700 --> 00:53:11,000
can protect against the blight
but you may want to go ahead and

834
00:53:11,008 --> 00:53:17,300
put a team outside of your
Doorway just in case and he

835
00:53:17,300 --> 00:53:20,100
looked at her, he looked at his
head of security.

836
00:53:20,100 --> 00:53:23,100
He was like, do what she says
and I was like, okay, this is

837
00:53:23,100 --> 00:53:26,500
one of the things I liked about
him.

838
00:53:27,100 --> 00:53:30,100
I mean, we just saw him in this
brief saying, but most of the

839
00:53:30,100 --> 00:53:36,600
time, when we're given scenes
with a male leader, who has to

840
00:53:36,900 --> 00:53:42,900
deal with a female in a position
of power, who is trying to give

841
00:53:42,900 --> 00:53:45,200
him information.
When that he does not, otherwise

842
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:50,400
have most of the times they
treated very arrogantly, they

843
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:52,700
treated like oh, you know, you
woman.

844
00:53:52,700 --> 00:53:54,100
You don't know what you're
talking about.

845
00:53:54,100 --> 00:53:57,000
I'm not going to pay attention
to you or you're overreacting

846
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:02,700
and he doesn't like whatever his
feelings maybe about the Aisa

847
00:54:02,700 --> 00:54:05,600
die or anything, or how, you
know, proud key is about the

848
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:08,200
fact that they can hold their
own.

849
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:12,400
When she says it, he actually
listens.

850
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:15,400
And then he tells his people.
Okay, go do what she said.

851
00:54:15,900 --> 00:54:21,100
Yeah, he's not, he's not stupid.
And as much as people especially

852
00:54:21,100 --> 00:54:25,200
the but noble men, especially
the royalty of the different

853
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:27,600
countries.
Don't like I said that they

854
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:30,300
didn't know that they know what
they're talking about, right?

855
00:54:30,500 --> 00:54:31,200
You know.
They don't want to be

856
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:33,000
manipulated by him there.
Sure enough.

857
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:37,200
We'll listen to them and their
counsel, and considerate.

858
00:54:37,500 --> 00:54:40,800
So he does have to show her that
that.

859
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:43,700
Yes, I'm the king here.
This is Mike.

860
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:45,300
Country.
We know what we're doing and

861
00:54:45,300 --> 00:54:46,800
she's like, yeah, but you may
want to do this.

862
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:50,900
He's like, okay because I make
sure that that I'm not here to

863
00:54:50,900 --> 00:54:52,400
counsel you.
Yeah.

864
00:54:53,100 --> 00:54:57,400
I'm just telling you what, you
know, and, and she was very

865
00:54:57,400 --> 00:54:59,300
complimentary sir I know are
any.

866
00:54:59,300 --> 00:55:02,900
I said, I have any doubts that
you were able to keep the blight

867
00:55:02,900 --> 00:55:06,300
at Bay, like we know, you can
protect your company, your

868
00:55:06,300 --> 00:55:09,900
country.
But yeah, you might want to

869
00:55:09,908 --> 00:55:11,700
know.
They are sneaking through the

870
00:55:11,700 --> 00:55:13,700
pathway that they're not
supposed to be in.

871
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:15,400
In.
So they may show up on your

872
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:19,100
doorstep and then you'll have to
deal with the blight but

873
00:55:19,100 --> 00:55:24,600
rowlocks hmm it's like okay yeah
let's go take care of that. so

874
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:26,500
yeah, I thought that was I
thought that was very

875
00:55:26,500 --> 00:55:29,900
interesting you know, that they
kind of made that difference

876
00:55:29,900 --> 00:55:34,200
because when she said it, he
kind of setup and he was looking

877
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:40,600
at her like Oh, okay.
And you see him kind of sit down

878
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:43,100
and consider it.
He looked over at a security

879
00:55:43,100 --> 00:55:45,100
while the secured and his sister
would looking at him.

880
00:55:45,100 --> 00:55:47,400
He was like, do as she says,
like what are you waiting for?

881
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:57,800
But um, Okay, let's let's go to
to some other stuff.

882
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:02,800
So meringue goes to see The Seer
and she takes the for with her

883
00:56:03,100 --> 00:56:07,400
because she wants to see her to
tell her who the dragon is now.

884
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:10,600
I was like, come on now Moraine
you didn't really think it was

885
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:12,700
going to be that in that easy,
did you?

886
00:56:14,700 --> 00:56:20,800
But here is what she does see.
The Seer says that, you know,

887
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:23,100
she says the big one and Moran
was like there.

888
00:56:23,100 --> 00:56:28,100
But what did she say?
The big brooding one and Moran

889
00:56:28,100 --> 00:56:30,600
was like, they're both big.
I'm like no.

890
00:56:30,700 --> 00:56:33,200
Right.
Like Rand has some size on him

891
00:56:33,500 --> 00:56:37,900
for it's not big like parent.
God, would a parent is the one

892
00:56:37,900 --> 00:56:40,200
I'm a look at and I'm a run the
other way because I'm not about

893
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:43,600
to get into a fight with him.
Parent looks like and it's the

894
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:49,300
funniest thing because he has
the most gentle Persona out of

895
00:56:49,300 --> 00:56:53,500
all of them that we've seen, but
yeah, I've seen what pairing can

896
00:56:53,500 --> 00:56:57,900
do with an axe, not just by
accident, but on purpose to

897
00:56:57,900 --> 00:57:01,000
those chocolates parent is the
one that I'm going to look at.

898
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:04,300
And if I have to choose whether
the fight him or not mature, my

899
00:57:04,300 --> 00:57:07,100
happy ass around, and I'm going
in the other direction because

900
00:57:07,100 --> 00:57:10,900
he looks like he was here,
something apart Yeah, that's

901
00:57:10,900 --> 00:57:15,800
that's parent.
Yeah, so she desirous, is that

902
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:20,200
she sees him with golden eyes
and with blood dripping from his

903
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:22,300
mouth?
I was like, oh, that's not

904
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:27,500
ominous at all.
She sees R and holding a baby

905
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:32,100
And when the rain is like, whose
baby is he holding?

906
00:57:32,100 --> 00:57:35,600
And thus, it was like, how am I
supposed to know that you wanted

907
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:39,800
me to see what I see when I see
them and that's what I see see

908
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:42,200
now, I don't know whose baby
that is.

909
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:46,800
He's holding a baby.
Yeah, I don't know what I don't

910
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:53,100
know what that is was about,
especially not well.

911
00:57:53,100 --> 00:57:56,900
Okay, we'll get to that later.
But and then when she when she

912
00:57:56,900 --> 00:58:01,400
talks about egwene and nine Eve
what did she say?

913
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:04,900
She said she sees a wall of
white.

914
00:58:05,900 --> 00:58:11,200
And then a ring of gold.
And I'm just going to assume

915
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:16,800
because when they showed us,
kind of like what she said,

916
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:21,200
White Flame, a wife and a wife.
Yeah, entering your goal.

917
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:24,900
But like, when she was telling
Moran, what she saw in pairing

918
00:58:24,900 --> 00:58:30,500
and ran, we were actually seeing
her vision the way that she was

919
00:58:30,500 --> 00:58:33,500
seeing it.
So we saw like, parents face

920
00:58:33,500 --> 00:58:38,100
kind of come out almost like it
was an astral projection with

921
00:58:38,100 --> 00:58:40,500
the gold eyes, and with the
blood Blood and then you see

922
00:58:40,500 --> 00:58:44,200
like an astral projection of
grand standing up and holding a

923
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:47,600
baby while, Karen and ran are
sitting at the table.

924
00:58:47,900 --> 00:58:53,100
But I noticed that when she told
Moran, what she saw, 49, Eve and

925
00:58:53,100 --> 00:58:56,200
egwene they didn't show us what
she saw.

926
00:58:57,500 --> 00:59:01,400
So it's kind of like even though
she said, she saw a white flame

927
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:03,500
and a gold ring.
I don't know what the Golden

928
00:59:03,500 --> 00:59:08,000
Ring stands for, but she did.
Do I Yeah.

929
00:59:08,300 --> 00:59:09,900
And you know what the White
Flame is.

930
00:59:10,700 --> 00:59:13,100
The White Flame is the the one
power, right?

931
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:20,100
The flame of tar valon, And the
gold ring is the acid I ring.

932
00:59:21,700 --> 00:59:25,200
Oh I didn't, you know what?
I need to think about like that

933
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:27,400
kind of ring.
I was literally thinking of a

934
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:30,600
circle like a ring of I was
thinking like a ring of fire or

935
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:32,300
something.
You know something of that time.

936
00:59:32,300 --> 00:59:34,500
I was thinking a simplistic
ring.

937
00:59:34,500 --> 00:59:37,100
Okay.
That's why they didn't show it

938
00:59:37,100 --> 00:59:42,600
because, well, one special
effects cost money into saying

939
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:45,800
it is, is equivalent of showing
it for them.

940
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:49,500
Well, I kind of took that in a
different way because it's like,

941
00:59:49,500 --> 00:59:54,600
if we If you think about it,
like they've talked about nine

942
00:59:54,600 --> 01:00:00,800
Eve, being an icy died because
of her strength of power that

943
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:04,300
we've seen.
But I feel like the fact that

944
01:00:04,300 --> 01:00:08,500
they didn't show us who was, who
was what when she was talking

945
01:00:08,500 --> 01:00:12,000
about it, she could have been
talking about both of them or it

946
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:15,700
could have been flipped.
Like, you know, later on in the

947
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:20,800
episode when Randon egwene are
talking, he tells her to go to

948
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:23,800
the Tower to try to be, you
know, to try to be an acid.

949
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:28,200
I this is what she's wanted all
along and I was like when did

950
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:30,700
she say she wanted to be?
I said I like I don't think that

951
01:00:30,700 --> 01:00:34,400
was ever like, I know more rain
was kind of telling her.

952
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:38,700
Hey, you could be this, but
we've heard it.

953
01:00:38,900 --> 01:00:43,100
So, I don't know.
I think I kind of feel like

954
01:00:43,100 --> 01:00:47,300
maybe she had sort of been
leaning towards that.

955
01:00:48,100 --> 01:00:52,600
For some reason, I feel like she
knew that was her path.

956
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:57,200
Nine Eve is the one that's kind
of fighting it and I need you

957
01:00:57,400 --> 01:01:00,900
doesn't want any part of it but
I think the fact that they like

958
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:07,300
they've been so specific about
showing us the strength of nine.

959
01:01:07,300 --> 01:01:15,100
He's power while egwene over
here, like she's struggling to

960
01:01:15,100 --> 01:01:20,100
conjure like she she struggled
to challenge to channel when

961
01:01:20,100 --> 01:01:23,200
valda was telling her to channel
and just a little bitty things

962
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:25,700
that we see.
It's kind of like accidental

963
01:01:25,700 --> 01:01:28,600
burst but they're small compared
to nine.

964
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:32,700
He's will see it.
Once he hasn't been training so

965
01:01:32,700 --> 01:01:34,900
she doesn't really know how to
do it.

966
01:01:37,700 --> 01:01:40,600
Neither has naive.
Yes, he has.

967
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:44,400
And I need has will not leave
his?

968
01:01:44,700 --> 01:01:46,400
There's a reason why she was a
wisdom.

969
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:49,700
So young.
She has these incredible skills

970
01:01:49,700 --> 01:01:53,200
that healing people and figuring
out what's wrong with him.

971
01:01:53,700 --> 01:01:56,400
She's been doing it all her life
on.

972
01:01:56,400 --> 01:02:01,000
Such a small meticulous specific
scale, okay?

973
01:02:02,100 --> 01:02:06,800
Like feeling people fixing
people's bones, you know, He's

974
01:02:06,808 --> 01:02:10,500
been doing all this stuff, her
life, and they may not have

975
01:02:10,500 --> 01:02:12,000
known.
That's that's what she was

976
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:13,400
doing.
She mean to have consciously.

977
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:15,000
Knowing that's what she was
doing, okay?

978
01:02:15,300 --> 01:02:18,600
And even when she was talking
about being able to feel the

979
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:22,200
weather and since the weather
that's her using the, the one

980
01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:25,100
power when she was in that first
episode talking to Ian Wayne.

981
01:02:25,900 --> 01:02:31,200
So Steve mean that know that
she's, that's what she was

982
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:32,900
actually do.
I'm sure when she got older, she

983
01:02:32,900 --> 01:02:36,200
knew because she was hot within
the book, she was hiding the,

984
01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:37,600
that's what she was.
Okay.

985
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:43,700
But yeah, she knows she's pretty
fluent in using the 1 power.

986
01:02:44,700 --> 01:02:49,100
Is it that she hasn't had any
formal training but she has used

987
01:02:49,100 --> 01:02:50,700
the enough to know what she's
doing.

988
01:02:50,900 --> 01:02:55,700
Okay big Wayne does not eat
Wayne has those emotional burst,

989
01:02:55,700 --> 01:02:58,800
which is what the Wilders
usually do when they don't have

990
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:00,500
any training and that's what she
was going to do.

991
01:03:00,500 --> 01:03:03,200
That's when I knew he was going
to do with the egwene, was going

992
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:06,000
to show her how to focus her
powers.

993
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:12,700
Okay.
Okay, that makes I think Wayne

994
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:16,900
Wayne kind of new on the surface
that this is where her path was

995
01:03:16,900 --> 01:03:19,300
going to be, okay.
That's why she didn't have a

996
01:03:19,300 --> 01:03:24,000
real big problem with going with
Marine Okay.

997
01:03:25,300 --> 01:03:29,000
That makes sense.
And even in the book 9 even went

998
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:33,000
with him because she didn't
trust Marine.

999
01:03:33,300 --> 01:03:37,800
Yeah, I mean, he's always like
that that much is evident even

1000
01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:42,200
in the show, like she does not
trust meringue, but yeah.

1001
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:46,900
So anyway, When so that's what
that took.

1002
01:03:46,900 --> 01:03:49,800
The way, this route took the
White Flame and ring the White

1003
01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:54,900
Flame because in the book means
Visions men, her Visions are not

1004
01:03:55,000 --> 01:04:00,000
real specific but they can be
interpreted, okay?

1005
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:03,600
And so, the one thing is she
always talks about her Visions,

1006
01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:07,700
always come true.
They have never not been true,

1007
01:04:08,100 --> 01:04:12,500
even if there's an option, so
you get both choices to see both

1008
01:04:12,500 --> 01:04:15,100
of them.
If a person has a choice, okay?

1009
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:20,500
So seeing a white flame and ring
of gold, pretty much the White

1010
01:04:20,500 --> 01:04:23,500
Tower the flame of tar valon and
I said Irene.

1011
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:29,400
Okay, pretty much okay.
So after they leave the bar you

1012
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:34,400
know they're the the four are in
a room together and Moraine and

1013
01:04:34,500 --> 01:04:37,500
man come in.
And that's when I need basically

1014
01:04:37,500 --> 01:04:41,400
challenges her, she was like,
look, just because you told us,

1015
01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:44,600
this is what we need to do.
We may not all agree to do this

1016
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:49,100
and we want to know what what
that lady told you.

1017
01:04:49,100 --> 01:04:54,800
And you know it's funny because
Moraine gives one of her

1018
01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:57,000
answers.
That's an answer but not an

1019
01:04:57,000 --> 01:04:59,900
answer.
And I'm you called her a liar.

1020
01:04:59,900 --> 01:05:03,700
She's like you forget girl, I
cannot lie and then at this

1021
01:05:03,700 --> 01:05:09,200
point she's like, okay, so
basically I wanted her to tell

1022
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:15,300
me if one of you was the dragon
because if we go to the eye of

1023
01:05:15,300 --> 01:05:18,700
the world, whoever is not, the
dragon will not return.

1024
01:05:18,700 --> 01:05:21,800
They will die there.
And all of them sit here, like,

1025
01:05:22,700 --> 01:05:27,200
you knew this, and you didn't
tell us, it's like, oh, Matt had

1026
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:33,500
the right. an idea not coming
through that for, but It's the

1027
01:05:33,500 --> 01:05:35,400
conversation that happens after
this.

1028
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:40,600
That is I don't want to say
funny because it's not funny,

1029
01:05:40,700 --> 01:05:43,500
but this is, like I said, this
is where you start to see the

1030
01:05:43,500 --> 01:05:46,600
splintering of the group
because, of course, Rand is

1031
01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:52,500
pissed off because land is like
Everything that she's told us,

1032
01:05:52,500 --> 01:05:55,500
you know, she had with it, he
said, she hasn't let, she hasn't

1033
01:05:55,500 --> 01:05:59,200
led us incorrectly, basically
saying something, the stuff that

1034
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:00,900
she's been telling us.
Yes, been true.

1035
01:06:00,900 --> 01:06:03,000
But is, do we have to believe
it?

1036
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:06,400
Like, how do we know this is?
This is correct.

1037
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:10,200
It may not be us and you start
to have these conversations.

1038
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:15,800
And egwene is like, look, we
need to go do this no matter

1039
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:22,800
what the cost, because we came
on Miss This Journey to save our

1040
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:26,700
family to save our friends, you
know, so no one would know, one

1041
01:06:26,700 --> 01:06:29,000
else would die.
So I think we need to see it

1042
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:32,700
through to the end, no matter
what the result is, meaning LK

1043
01:06:32,700 --> 01:06:36,200
if that means we die?
As long as our people are safe,

1044
01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:41,600
that's all that matters.
Karen is kind of quiet and they

1045
01:06:41,600 --> 01:06:45,700
start getting into this, you
know, this back-and-forth ran

1046
01:06:45,700 --> 01:06:49,400
starts blaming egwene because he
mentioned something about Matt.

1047
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:52,100
Oh, that's what it is.
Aaron is like, well what if Matt

1048
01:06:52,100 --> 01:06:56,000
is the dragon, like she could be
wrong, we could all go to the

1049
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:58,700
eye of the world and still come
back, Matt might be the dragon.

1050
01:06:58,700 --> 01:07:03,800
He's not even here.
And so she I don't know, egwene

1051
01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:09,700
makes this kind of scoffing
reaction and ran gets upset.

1052
01:07:09,700 --> 01:07:13,000
If he was like you never really
liked Matt you never you never

1053
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:14,900
really trusted him.
You never really gave me a

1054
01:07:14,908 --> 01:07:18,100
chance and blah blah blah.
They start getting into it and

1055
01:07:18,100 --> 01:07:19,800
preparing of course he gets
upset.

1056
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:23,400
Leave her alone.
He gets up and stands up at him

1057
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:26,000
and ran look like they're about
to go at it.

1058
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:30,000
And I need was like, Will you
guys stop it?

1059
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:32,300
I'm so sick of y'all fighting
over her.

1060
01:07:32,300 --> 01:07:36,300
Like, she's a like, she
something you can own and the

1061
01:07:36,300 --> 01:07:40,400
whole room got fucking quiet
because it, when is looking at

1062
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:45,600
her like, huh?
And Rand is looking like, he's

1063
01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:48,500
starting to put three and five
together.

1064
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:54,300
Aaron is sitting there with his
head down, like, no, she didn't

1065
01:07:54,300 --> 01:07:58,700
say that.
I got a wife.

1066
01:08:06,100 --> 01:08:08,500
See it now.
It'll always seen it blah blah,

1067
01:08:08,500 --> 01:08:09,900
blah.
I'm like dude.

1068
01:08:10,300 --> 01:08:14,400
Apparently you nor egg Wayne's
saw it because she looks

1069
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:19,000
clueless, like she is looking
like why would she say that?

1070
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:22,399
And then when you don't see
Perry at it, starting to click

1071
01:08:22,399 --> 01:08:26,300
in her head to like, oh my God,
he likes me or he loves me or

1072
01:08:26,300 --> 01:08:30,800
whatever the case is, Rand is
like, I should have seen this

1073
01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:33,899
blah, blah, blah and seeing that
I should have seen this.

1074
01:08:34,200 --> 01:08:41,000
Pairing very, very succinctly
steps and ramps face that he was

1075
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:44,600
like the only woman I've ever
loved this model wife.

1076
01:08:45,700 --> 01:08:49,000
And Randy's kind of looks.
And I think Rand knew that that

1077
01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:52,500
was not the fight he wanted.
He just kind of stepped back.

1078
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:56,399
The important thing is right,
before that Rands like, oh, it

1079
01:08:56,399 --> 01:09:00,500
makes sense the day.
You proposed to Layla?

1080
01:09:00,500 --> 01:09:02,300
Yes.
Was this the same?

1081
01:09:02,300 --> 01:09:04,899
David maybe when we got
together, huh?

1082
01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:09,899
I was like, that's a happy
coincidence.

1083
01:09:09,899 --> 01:09:17,000
My friend.
Now in the books, this would not

1084
01:09:17,000 --> 01:09:18,899
have happened.
This is not even a thing.

1085
01:09:18,899 --> 01:09:21,000
Yeah, yeah.
I think we, I think we talked

1086
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:24,399
about that before because like
you said in the book sparing

1087
01:09:24,399 --> 01:09:27,300
doesn't really have.
I won't say.

1088
01:09:27,300 --> 01:09:31,000
He doesn't have a voice but hit
you said most of his everything

1089
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:32,899
is internal.
Yeah.

1090
01:09:33,100 --> 01:09:39,000
So Yeah, and I it's been a while
since I read the books but I

1091
01:09:39,008 --> 01:09:43,200
don't ever remember him getting
in reims face like this, except

1092
01:09:43,200 --> 01:09:45,700
to keep ran from doing something
stupid.

1093
01:09:46,200 --> 01:09:48,399
Okay.
Yeah, well, I mean, ran was

1094
01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:51,800
looking like he was about to try
and do something stupid like,

1095
01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:55,200
well, okay, I wouldn't consider
like swinging on parent is

1096
01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:59,200
stupid, but but stupid, like
plunging in entire country into

1097
01:09:59,200 --> 01:10:02,600
war.
Oh, that kind of stupid, you

1098
01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:04,600
know, going off and doing
something by yourself.

1099
01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:07,600
You don't have Business to
something stupid.

1100
01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:10,900
That's that's usually when you
hear Matt, we get into Rams

1101
01:10:10,900 --> 01:10:14,700
business, but for the most part,
they didn't challenge each other

1102
01:10:14,700 --> 01:10:16,200
really like this.
Okay.

1103
01:10:16,700 --> 01:10:19,200
Okay.
Because number one, this this is

1104
01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:21,100
not a thing.
Yeah, because I was going to

1105
01:10:21,100 --> 01:10:24,900
say, you know, something about
one of your best friends being

1106
01:10:24,900 --> 01:10:28,100
in love with your girl.
That that would be something to

1107
01:10:28,100 --> 01:10:32,000
kind of, you know, spark some
Discord.

1108
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:33,800
Some yeah, well talked about the
writing.

1109
01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:38,200
I know they Wrote this little
subplot in, I don't really

1110
01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:42,600
understand it other than to
appeal to a certain demographic

1111
01:10:43,400 --> 01:10:49,600
but otherwise it it it can't
come to can't lead to anything.

1112
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:53,700
Good - right right.
You know all the work that they

1113
01:10:53,700 --> 01:10:58,200
have to do going forward they
have to have this absolute trust

1114
01:10:58,200 --> 01:11:03,000
in each other and this does not
Foster that it doesn't like I

1115
01:11:03,000 --> 01:11:06,600
said it's almost like like
They're trying to split to reach

1116
01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:10,600
up the Splinter the group.
You know, you have 9 Eve who

1117
01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:17,100
just unconsciously revealed this
huge secret that parent was

1118
01:11:17,100 --> 01:11:20,400
carrying.
You've got ran feeling betrayed

1119
01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:24,400
by pairing, maybe a little bit
by egwene because he's thinking

1120
01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:27,600
about what the Black Wind told
him as far as.

1121
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:30,300
So if Wayne is never going to
love you as much as you love

1122
01:11:30,300 --> 01:11:35,900
her, you know, and then you've
got egwene who is Dealing with

1123
01:11:35,900 --> 01:11:40,600
all of this Revelation like Matt
just I mean ran just accused.

1124
01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:44,100
You of not caring about mad, you
just found out that pairing may

1125
01:11:44,100 --> 01:11:48,100
or may not be in love with you
and I need just it is the one

1126
01:11:48,100 --> 01:11:52,700
who just basically brought all
that on and she's probably like,

1127
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:57,500
what the fuck damn if you're
listening to this and if it

1128
01:11:57,500 --> 01:12:01,300
wasn't for it, my niece said, if
it weren't for that, I would

1129
01:12:01,300 --> 01:12:03,700
have said ran was doing this on
purpose.

1130
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:07,400
Like he was purposely trying to
piss everybody.

1131
01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:10,800
Yeah, I would have thought that
too because because I feel like,

1132
01:12:11,500 --> 01:12:15,500
even at that point, he had
already had his suspicions that

1133
01:12:15,500 --> 01:12:20,800
he was the dragon.
But Anyway, so, yeah, they have

1134
01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:23,400
this, they have this little
argument, they all kind of go

1135
01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:27,600
their separate ways or rather R
and he storms out of the room

1136
01:12:28,400 --> 01:12:32,300
and egwene goes after him.
After nine Eve, tries to

1137
01:12:32,300 --> 01:12:34,500
apologize.
But I know he went was, like, I

1138
01:12:34,500 --> 01:12:36,100
don't even want to hear this
from you right now.

1139
01:12:36,100 --> 01:12:40,500
Like, you just blew everything
up and for what, you know, like

1140
01:12:40,500 --> 01:12:44,800
you said what even if you had an
idea of this.

1141
01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:50,200
And I, I knew that my name had a
An inkling of it when they were

1142
01:12:50,200 --> 01:12:55,300
in the caves and, you know,
egwene went to go sit next to

1143
01:12:55,300 --> 01:12:58,100
ran and she kind of held his
hand and he looked at her hand,

1144
01:12:58,100 --> 01:13:01,200
he told her you know, he was
like come and she laid down and

1145
01:13:01,200 --> 01:13:04,800
they went to sleep and you can
see pairing look and kind of

1146
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:08,500
turn over on his back and I need
nine Eve gave him this look

1147
01:13:08,900 --> 01:13:10,400
like.
Oh I know what that is.

1148
01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:16,200
Even if you know this your mouth
shut while why hey, why don't

1149
01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:25,100
you oh, there's also the
possibility that The dark one is

1150
01:13:25,200 --> 01:13:27,800
influencing them.
I thought about that too.

1151
01:13:27,800 --> 01:13:33,100
Like the scepter in The
Avengers, you know, was

1152
01:13:33,200 --> 01:13:37,700
influencing their emotions
because we know that he's is

1153
01:13:37,700 --> 01:13:40,400
already been in their head, he's
been in their dreams.

1154
01:13:41,100 --> 01:13:45,700
So it's possible that the closer
they are to the blight, the more

1155
01:13:45,700 --> 01:13:47,700
powerful dark.
Yeah.

1156
01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:51,400
Okay, that he can kind of push
them.

1157
01:13:52,100 --> 01:13:54,900
You know, to kind of turn on
each other, right?

1158
01:13:54,900 --> 01:13:56,800
So that could be another part of
it too.

1159
01:13:56,800 --> 01:14:00,200
And that's why Gwen was able to
keep him out and then he wasn't

1160
01:14:00,200 --> 01:14:03,200
able to keep that in.
Yeah, yeah, it's because even

1161
01:14:03,200 --> 01:14:07,900
with men when she looked at
them, what was it that she told

1162
01:14:08,200 --> 01:14:11,500
Moraine when she was talking
about the vision, she said, if

1163
01:14:11,500 --> 01:14:15,200
it's Annie, she said, if it
means anything, the Visions are

1164
01:14:15,200 --> 01:14:19,000
clear.
Usually, the more important the

1165
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:22,300
person is to the pattern.
And I guess that, they Has to do

1166
01:14:22,300 --> 01:14:24,500
with the will.
The more important they are to

1167
01:14:24,500 --> 01:14:29,000
the pattern, the clearer, the
Visions are and I felt like that

1168
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:34,000
was also, I don't know her
having the Visions being

1169
01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:36,700
clearer.
Does that means that there's a

1170
01:14:37,500 --> 01:14:40,800
more of a likelihood that that
vision is going to come true?

1171
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:43,700
Like you said her Visions are
never wrong.

1172
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:47,400
So instead of more, it's not
more of a likelihood that true,

1173
01:14:47,400 --> 01:14:50,900
it's more more likely that it's
accurate.

1174
01:14:51,400 --> 01:14:52,900
Okay.
Okay.

1175
01:14:53,300 --> 01:14:58,300
Yeah, accurate because it's
because what she sees happens in

1176
01:14:58,300 --> 01:15:00,500
the future.
No, okay.

1177
01:15:01,800 --> 01:15:11,400
Okay, so let's see this, let's
go ahead and get the land stuff

1178
01:15:11,500 --> 01:15:16,400
out the way it because after
this whole conversation he goes

1179
01:15:16,400 --> 01:15:21,200
to have a conversation with
Moraine and just she's basically

1180
01:15:21,200 --> 01:15:25,400
you know he's trying to comfort
her she's upset and then she's

1181
01:15:25,400 --> 01:15:30,500
getting nostalgic and she was
like I'm just remembering The

1182
01:15:30,500 --> 01:15:34,900
first time we met here, and I
feel like I've taken away your

1183
01:15:34,900 --> 01:15:38,900
life, like she was, like,
there's more to life than me and

1184
01:15:38,900 --> 01:15:41,900
this Mission and he's assuring
her.

1185
01:15:41,900 --> 01:15:44,000
He was like, you haven't taken
anything from me.

1186
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:49,200
He was like, when we met, I had
no, I had no life or and I had

1187
01:15:49,200 --> 01:15:52,800
no reason to die.
You've given me both, you know,

1188
01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:56,400
or he had nothing to live for.
That's what it was and nothing

1189
01:15:56,400 --> 01:15:58,100
to live for.
I had nothing to die for you,

1190
01:15:58,100 --> 01:16:01,100
giving me both.
And I was like y'all having a

1191
01:16:01,108 --> 01:16:04,400
different conversation than the
conversation.

1192
01:16:04,400 --> 01:16:09,300
Y'all are having because when
she talks about them leaving in

1193
01:16:09,300 --> 01:16:11,800
the morning, she was like, don't
you have some good buys you need

1194
01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:14,600
to say in the city and Lan is
like yep.

1195
01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:17,600
And there's just this look
between them.

1196
01:16:19,000 --> 01:16:22,300
And then he turns to leave and
she says, you know, I really

1197
01:16:22,300 --> 01:16:25,700
like her, the wisdom, I was like
oh that's what that that

1198
01:16:25,700 --> 01:16:27,900
conversation was.
That was that you need to go

1199
01:16:27,900 --> 01:16:32,700
handle this or you need to go.
You need to go have a life

1200
01:16:32,700 --> 01:16:35,000
before we possibly go to a
heart.

1201
01:16:35,800 --> 01:16:41,800
That was the conversation.
I felt like they were having and

1202
01:16:41,800 --> 01:16:47,900
so we see land going into the
town and I need is following

1203
01:16:47,900 --> 01:16:51,300
him.
It's like stop being a stalker.

1204
01:16:53,900 --> 01:17:00,400
Do that anyway he goes to he
goes to a home that has some

1205
01:17:00,400 --> 01:17:05,000
people that he appears to be
very close to and he knows that

1206
01:17:05,000 --> 01:17:08,500
not need is following him so he
appeared them.

1207
01:17:08,500 --> 01:17:11,300
Okay.
So He was sitting there at the

1208
01:17:11,300 --> 01:17:15,600
table eating, right?
And then we took another species

1209
01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:19,100
her shadow in the window.
And when she realizes that he

1210
01:17:19,100 --> 01:17:24,700
might be able to see her.
She turns to go away and he

1211
01:17:24,700 --> 01:17:28,700
standing right there was like
dude this dude just disapparate

1212
01:17:28,700 --> 01:17:33,500
like what their I had this
conversation with the person I

1213
01:17:33,508 --> 01:17:35,500
live with him.
I'm related by marriage.

1214
01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:37,100
Huh?
Because he asked the same

1215
01:17:37,100 --> 01:17:39,300
question.
I said, I think what happened

1216
01:17:39,300 --> 01:17:44,000
was When he got up, he smiled.
He got up from the table.

1217
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:47,300
We didn't see him do it like, he
got up and walked away.

1218
01:17:47,700 --> 01:17:50,500
And that's when she was like,
okay, she decided to leave,

1219
01:17:50,600 --> 01:17:52,300
okay, because she saw him get
up.

1220
01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:54,600
She saw him get up and walk, you
know?

1221
01:17:54,600 --> 01:18:01,100
Walk the he came in behind her
like was there a know about?

1222
01:18:03,100 --> 01:18:05,000
Yeah, yeah.
The mess out of me and I

1223
01:18:05,000 --> 01:18:08,200
expected him to be there.
I was like like he got some

1224
01:18:08,200 --> 01:18:10,300
magical powers going on.
But anyway, Way.

1225
01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:15,400
So he brings her into this to
this family and the guy who is

1226
01:18:15,400 --> 01:18:17,300
there.
I almost thought that that was

1227
01:18:17,300 --> 01:18:21,800
his father, or some type of
Father Figure to him because of

1228
01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:24,600
the way that he was acting, you
know, he's being very obvious

1229
01:18:24,900 --> 01:18:27,800
when he went when land comes
into the door, he was like

1230
01:18:27,800 --> 01:18:30,100
everybody.
This is 99 Eve everybody.

1231
01:18:30,100 --> 01:18:32,100
He's getting out like oh yeah,
come on in.

1232
01:18:32,100 --> 01:18:36,000
Come on in have a seat like
being so obvious like that, that

1233
01:18:36,300 --> 01:18:40,900
awkward embarrassing.
Oh, my son is Not a pretty girl

1234
01:18:40,900 --> 01:18:44,300
home that's just fawn over her.
I was like, man is probably

1235
01:18:44,300 --> 01:18:49,500
sitting there like this was not
what I came over here for today.

1236
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:56,800
But anyway, so after the dinner,
they're walking back to in the

1237
01:18:56,800 --> 01:18:59,800
hall and they stopped in front
of his room and they kind of

1238
01:18:59,800 --> 01:19:01,800
have just little bit of
conversation.

1239
01:19:01,800 --> 01:19:03,500
She was like, you know, thank
you for including me.

1240
01:19:03,500 --> 01:19:05,900
He was like, well you didn't
give me a choice so there's like

1241
01:19:05,900 --> 01:19:09,700
a little bit of a flirtation
there and then they stand there

1242
01:19:09,700 --> 01:19:14,500
and look at each other very long
Angley and very awkwardly like

1243
01:19:14,500 --> 01:19:17,100
to the point where I was like, I
can't watch this thing like

1244
01:19:17,100 --> 01:19:20,500
y'all do something so I can so I
can pay Into the screen.

1245
01:19:20,600 --> 01:19:24,000
It's that whole secondhand
embarrassment like y'all are

1246
01:19:24,008 --> 01:19:26,600
standing that obviously wanted
to kiss.

1247
01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:33,400
Yes, obviously wanted to kiss
each other and again, you can

1248
01:19:33,400 --> 01:19:39,300
feel the pull between these two
characters and then he looks at

1249
01:19:39,300 --> 01:19:42,800
her, he's like good night and he
goes into his room.

1250
01:19:42,900 --> 01:19:44,700
It's like what the fuck is wrong
with him.

1251
01:19:44,900 --> 01:19:49,400
But I forget this is a, this is
a show and a world where women

1252
01:19:49,400 --> 01:19:52,400
are the I'm in a creature so
he's probably like I'm going to

1253
01:19:52,400 --> 01:19:55,300
let her make the first move.
I don't want to misinterpret

1254
01:19:55,300 --> 01:19:58,100
anything.
I don't want to complicate

1255
01:19:58,100 --> 01:20:01,300
anything yada yada yada, he
goes.

1256
01:20:01,300 --> 01:20:02,800
Okay.
Okay, I have it.

1257
01:20:02,800 --> 01:20:04,900
You see there.
What is your issue?

1258
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:07,500
He goes into the room, he closes
the door.

1259
01:20:08,200 --> 01:20:12,100
He's taking his clothes off and
she just walks here.

1260
01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:14,700
I mean, hey, she said she was
going to shoot a.

1261
01:20:14,700 --> 01:20:17,000
She's like the way he was
undressing me with your eyes.

1262
01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:19,700
I'm going to shoot my shot.
You do not.

1263
01:20:19,900 --> 01:20:24,400
Like anything, and this has
their say, you want me to leave.

1264
01:20:24,700 --> 01:20:26,800
What the fuck you gonna say?
He ain't gonna say no.

1265
01:20:27,500 --> 01:20:35,800
But here's the thing, I think, I
think for her, Maybe her doing

1266
01:20:35,800 --> 01:20:38,100
it that way.
Just kind of walking into his

1267
01:20:38,100 --> 01:20:42,100
room and even even though she
walked in this room, she still

1268
01:20:42,100 --> 01:20:46,200
walk slowly towards him.
I think one she was trying to

1269
01:20:46,200 --> 01:20:49,600
get up her own courage to do
what she was doing, because I'm

1270
01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:51,500
pretty sure that's probably a
situation.

1271
01:20:51,500 --> 01:20:55,500
She's never been in before.
You know what I'm saying to?

1272
01:20:56,500 --> 01:21:00,100
She was giving herself time to
read the room, she was trying to

1273
01:21:00,100 --> 01:21:04,400
make sure like, okay, is he
really like into me or Was he

1274
01:21:04,400 --> 01:21:06,800
being polite?
Like I think she was probably

1275
01:21:06,800 --> 01:21:08,200
feeling that out.
Like, okay.

1276
01:21:08,700 --> 01:21:12,700
If he's not into me, he has some
time while I'm doing this slow

1277
01:21:12,700 --> 01:21:16,000
ass walk to say.
Um, I don't think you should be

1278
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:18,100
here.
Um, I don't think this is

1279
01:21:18,100 --> 01:21:22,600
appropriate, I'm Just Not That
Into You, she's giving him some

1280
01:21:22,600 --> 01:21:26,700
time to react.
So so for argument's sake, if

1281
01:21:26,700 --> 01:21:32,200
the roles were reversed We have
the same energy like if he was a

1282
01:21:32,208 --> 01:21:35,100
dude, she's undressing and he
walks into the room.

1283
01:21:35,100 --> 01:21:39,700
So, okay, I'm going on is for
me, I think it depends on the

1284
01:21:39,700 --> 01:21:43,300
characters in The Situation's.
If this isn't, it fits a

1285
01:21:43,308 --> 01:21:46,300
situation where the female
character is obviously not into

1286
01:21:46,300 --> 01:21:49,800
this guy, then.
Yes, that would be wrong.

1287
01:21:50,500 --> 01:21:54,900
If it was the situation that we
just saw, like I said, you feel

1288
01:21:54,900 --> 01:21:59,300
them being pulled towards each
other but I think there's Still

1289
01:21:59,300 --> 01:22:02,500
in the space of, is this
something we should or shouldn't

1290
01:22:02,500 --> 01:22:05,100
do?
Because again, he's a water for

1291
01:22:05,100 --> 01:22:07,500
ice to die.
There's a whole bunch of other

1292
01:22:07,500 --> 01:22:11,100
things that come with that the
fact that they can feel each

1293
01:22:11,100 --> 01:22:14,300
other's emotions, and what
they're going through land might

1294
01:22:14,300 --> 01:22:17,000
be like, I don't want to be
screwing with her and Moran, can

1295
01:22:17,000 --> 01:22:20,800
feel like there's a reason why
Moraine masked her bond with

1296
01:22:20,800 --> 01:22:23,600
land when she went to go see
Swan.

1297
01:22:23,900 --> 01:22:30,000
Mmm, so he wouldn't feel it.
Well, I agree with you on the

1298
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:33,700
go, but I also think that even
back to the first time that they

1299
01:22:33,700 --> 01:22:36,600
really reduce them.
You could tell that this is one

1300
01:22:36,600 --> 01:22:39,500
of these tropes where they were
fated to be together that they

1301
01:22:39,500 --> 01:22:42,800
were meant to be, you know, a
couple, mmm.

1302
01:22:42,900 --> 01:22:47,200
So the fact that they did in
this episode, to me seemed like

1303
01:22:47,200 --> 01:22:49,800
it was the right time, but I
agree with the back and forth.

1304
01:22:49,800 --> 01:22:53,200
My thing is, is that is this
going to be where we're together

1305
01:22:53,200 --> 01:22:55,500
and we're going to stick
together or we're together.

1306
01:22:55,600 --> 01:22:57,200
There we go.
To break apart and come back

1307
01:22:57,200 --> 01:23:00,800
together over and over again.
So for me the scene made sense.

1308
01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:02,200
I didn't really have an issue
with it.

1309
01:23:02,500 --> 01:23:05,100
Yeah.
And like I said, Anthony if the

1310
01:23:05,100 --> 01:23:09,500
roles were reversed because of
the energy that I got from the

1311
01:23:09,500 --> 01:23:13,500
scene right before I think it
would have been one of those

1312
01:23:13,500 --> 01:23:17,000
things where if he would have
walked into her room and done

1313
01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:20,100
the exact same thing, she
probably would have looked at

1314
01:23:20,100 --> 01:23:22,600
him and at that point she
probably would have, just let

1315
01:23:22,600 --> 01:23:28,600
her robe drop because I feel
like I feel like they understood

1316
01:23:28,600 --> 01:23:33,500
each other in that moment.
Like yes, I want you but I'm may

1317
01:23:33,500 --> 01:23:38,400
be afraid to make the first move
and I just feel like if it's a

1318
01:23:38,407 --> 01:23:42,900
situation like that.
Lan is very good at reading

1319
01:23:42,900 --> 01:23:44,200
people.
That's one thing that we have

1320
01:23:44,200 --> 01:23:49,000
seen in the show and I don't
think he would have done that if

1321
01:23:49,000 --> 01:23:52,600
he thought one, she would have
been offended by it, if she

1322
01:23:52,600 --> 01:23:56,300
would have been uncomfortable by
it or if she flat-out didn't

1323
01:23:56,300 --> 01:23:58,000
want him.
I don't think he would have done

1324
01:23:58,000 --> 01:24:03,000
that and I think in the same
vein for her I don't think she

1325
01:24:03,000 --> 01:24:05,700
would have done that.
If he would have felt any of

1326
01:24:05,700 --> 01:24:10,000
those things, you know, it's
just it's something about the

1327
01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:13,300
way. a, they write these
characters and I mentioned that

1328
01:24:13,300 --> 01:24:17,600
before, when I talked about
egwene and Rams relationship,

1329
01:24:17,600 --> 01:24:22,500
like the way that they do handle
relationships in this, in this

1330
01:24:22,500 --> 01:24:27,300
show, the the, the parties in
these relationships are very

1331
01:24:27,300 --> 01:24:31,800
respectful of each other even
when egwene and ran are having

1332
01:24:31,800 --> 01:24:35,700
arguments with each other, the
most recent argument

1333
01:24:35,700 --> 01:24:40,200
notwithstanding because this was
all emotion, but even when they,

1334
01:24:40,300 --> 01:24:43,900
I woke up when she told him that
she was planning to become a

1335
01:24:43,907 --> 01:24:46,900
wisdom and, you know, him
knowing that, that means that

1336
01:24:46,900 --> 01:24:49,100
they would not get married, they
would not have children.

1337
01:24:50,100 --> 01:24:54,300
He didn't pull that whole with.
This is not just your life.

1338
01:24:54,300 --> 01:24:56,300
This is my life.
You're ruining my life.

1339
01:24:56,300 --> 01:24:58,200
This that he didn't pull that
whole thing.

1340
01:24:58,200 --> 01:25:01,500
They had a very mature
discussion about it and I feel

1341
01:25:01,500 --> 01:25:06,200
like that translates also with
land and nine Eve.

1342
01:25:06,200 --> 01:25:10,200
Like I said, the attraction is
there there?

1343
01:25:10,300 --> 01:25:12,200
Attraction has been there since
day one.

1344
01:25:12,200 --> 01:25:16,600
Even when she held a knife to
his net you could feel oh, this

1345
01:25:16,600 --> 01:25:20,400
is going to be something.
And I think they feel that too

1346
01:25:20,400 --> 01:25:22,800
is characters.
And this just like they didn't

1347
01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:28,100
know who was gonna make the
first move Landing, who he is.

1348
01:25:28,100 --> 01:25:31,300
He probably was like I'm not
going to make this move because

1349
01:25:31,300 --> 01:25:36,800
maybe you know like we like we
hear him say later on her being

1350
01:25:36,800 --> 01:25:40,900
a wisdom is similar to him.
Being awarded like She can't

1351
01:25:40,900 --> 01:25:46,600
marry she can't have children,
so she might have been hesitant

1352
01:25:46,900 --> 01:25:48,200
to approach him.
Knowing.

1353
01:25:48,200 --> 01:25:49,800
Okay.
I have nothing more to offer

1354
01:25:49,800 --> 01:25:54,400
you.
So maybe he was like, okay, if

1355
01:25:54,700 --> 01:25:56,900
I'm just going to respect her,
she's a wisdom.

1356
01:25:57,200 --> 01:26:00,600
This is what she dedicated her
life to this is her calling.

1357
01:26:01,000 --> 01:26:04,800
She can't have these kinds of
entanglement, or whatever.

1358
01:26:05,700 --> 01:26:11,000
I'm just going to, you know, I'm
just gonna like her, love her

1359
01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:14,000
from afar.
And then she was like, oh okay,

1360
01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:18,200
we'll fix that.
I mean, I like I said, if it had

1361
01:26:18,200 --> 01:26:21,200
been a different character, I
might have been like, girl.

1362
01:26:21,200 --> 01:26:23,900
That's that's not the move,
that's not the move, but with

1363
01:26:23,900 --> 01:26:25,600
him, I totally feel like it was
dipped.

1364
01:26:25,600 --> 01:26:28,700
It was totally the move, totally
remove.

1365
01:26:29,500 --> 01:26:34,000
And if he had done it with, with
this character and her, I would

1366
01:26:34,000 --> 01:26:35,400
have been mad at him doing it
either.

1367
01:26:35,400 --> 01:26:38,600
I wouldn't have felt, I wouldn't
have felt that it was intrusive

1368
01:26:38,900 --> 01:26:42,900
or inappropriate.
Yeah, so yeah.

1369
01:26:44,300 --> 01:26:47,700
So yeah.
But um yeah, so she walks into

1370
01:26:47,700 --> 01:26:50,300
his room and she like walks up
to her.

1371
01:26:50,300 --> 01:26:51,700
She was like do you want me to
leave?

1372
01:26:51,700 --> 01:26:54,100
He walks up to her.
They start kissing.

1373
01:26:54,100 --> 01:27:01,800
I was like really Let's just
show that actually caught in a

1374
01:27:03,000 --> 01:27:05,100
lie.
Like that's how you do it.

1375
01:27:06,300 --> 01:27:11,200
That's how you do a kiss.
You don't kiss well anyway and

1376
01:27:11,200 --> 01:27:15,900
then on the other hand you have
R and in the courtyard and he's

1377
01:27:15,900 --> 01:27:19,300
like practicing archery.
He can't hit the bullseye, he's

1378
01:27:19,300 --> 01:27:22,700
upset and egwene comes out.
She was like, you know, I waited

1379
01:27:22,700 --> 01:27:26,500
in my room, for an hour for you
to come and apologize to me and

1380
01:27:26,500 --> 01:27:30,100
she's mad and he looks at her,
he says well, Well, you know, I

1381
01:27:30,100 --> 01:27:33,000
know from experience that when
you really want to speak to me,

1382
01:27:33,200 --> 01:27:37,500
you'll come and find me again.
I feel like there's that real

1383
01:27:37,800 --> 01:27:40,300
that respect within the
relationship.

1384
01:27:41,200 --> 01:27:44,700
Like, he knows how she's going
to react and he knows that.

1385
01:27:44,700 --> 01:27:48,600
Okay, if I go to her before,
she's ready to talk, she's even

1386
01:27:48,600 --> 01:27:51,400
gonna give me the silent
treatment or will be arguing.

1387
01:27:51,400 --> 01:27:53,700
That is not what I want when
she's ready.

1388
01:27:53,700 --> 01:28:01,200
She will come and talk to me.
Especially in young adult TV

1389
01:28:01,200 --> 01:28:05,500
shows movies that we see dealing
with relationships each other,

1390
01:28:05,500 --> 01:28:08,200
with that kind of respect or
give each other that kind of

1391
01:28:08,200 --> 01:28:12,700
space respectfully, you know.
And that's one thing I like

1392
01:28:12,700 --> 01:28:15,600
about the show.
Because when she came out, she

1393
01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:19,200
was still upset when he
responded to her, he responded

1394
01:28:19,200 --> 01:28:24,500
to her with a smile and that
kind of brought down her walls

1395
01:28:24,500 --> 01:28:28,500
and they were able to have a
conversation, you know?

1396
01:28:28,500 --> 01:28:33,100
And and he even right after
that, I'm sorry.

1397
01:28:33,200 --> 01:28:35,800
I know there's nothing between
you and parent.

1398
01:28:35,900 --> 01:28:39,000
Oh my God, they're showing our
young guy apologizing.

1399
01:28:39,000 --> 01:28:42,800
What?
But just the way that they have

1400
01:28:42,800 --> 01:28:46,900
this whole conversation you know
and she was telling me she was

1401
01:28:46,900 --> 01:28:48,400
like I'm not even mad about
that.

1402
01:28:48,400 --> 01:28:51,300
I'm mad about the fact that you
think that I wouldn't that I

1403
01:28:51,300 --> 01:28:56,300
would you know not fight format
that I Wouldn't Die for him.

1404
01:28:57,500 --> 01:29:00,100
You know.
And then that's what he starts

1405
01:29:00,100 --> 01:29:03,000
talking.
He was like look if it is one of

1406
01:29:03,000 --> 01:29:07,400
us and she was like even if it
is we'll deal with that.

1407
01:29:07,400 --> 01:29:09,200
We could all you know she could
be wrong.

1408
01:29:09,200 --> 01:29:14,100
We can all live That sort of
thing and then when he says I

1409
01:29:14,100 --> 01:29:16,100
don't want to lose you as she
sees him.

1410
01:29:16,100 --> 01:29:18,400
Crying, she's like hold up.
Okay.

1411
01:29:18,400 --> 01:29:21,500
Look I'm not going anywhere.
We're gonna figure this out.

1412
01:29:21,500 --> 01:29:25,500
We're all going to live and then
she tells him and I think this

1413
01:29:25,500 --> 01:29:28,100
is the thing that he probably
needed to hear.

1414
01:29:28,200 --> 01:29:31,000
Even if it was the thing that he
did not want to hear.

1415
01:29:31,000 --> 01:29:35,000
Because when she says it, I feel
like that was the moment he made

1416
01:29:35,000 --> 01:29:42,300
his decision, but she says, even
if it is you I will stand by

1417
01:29:42,300 --> 01:29:45,100
you.
No matter what I will have your

1418
01:29:45,100 --> 01:29:48,000
back.
Nothing will change.

1419
01:29:48,300 --> 01:29:53,800
We will figure it out.
And to me that is so opposite of

1420
01:29:53,800 --> 01:29:56,300
egwene will never love you the
way you love her.

1421
01:29:56,800 --> 01:30:01,700
She literally is saying if
you're the Dragon And you fix

1422
01:30:01,700 --> 01:30:03,900
the world or you break the
world.

1423
01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:06,200
I'm going to be there
regardless.

1424
01:30:07,200 --> 01:30:10,500
And I think ran was like, nope,
I'm not about to do this to her

1425
01:30:10,500 --> 01:30:16,300
because if he is the Dragon, And
what Moran says is true, then

1426
01:30:16,300 --> 01:30:21,100
she dies then Peter.
And I think, at that moment,

1427
01:30:21,100 --> 01:30:24,200
when she said that, he closed
his eyes right before he kissed

1428
01:30:24,200 --> 01:30:27,600
her, I said yeah he just made
his decision.

1429
01:30:28,100 --> 01:30:33,000
He just made his decision.
And of course you see you see

1430
01:30:33,000 --> 01:30:36,600
him get up.
From bed because of course

1431
01:30:36,600 --> 01:30:38,500
they've gone to bed together.
She's asleep.

1432
01:30:38,500 --> 01:30:41,700
He wakes up and he starts having
these different flashes in his

1433
01:30:41,700 --> 01:30:43,600
mind.
He's flashing back to one of the

1434
01:30:43,600 --> 01:30:48,800
chalak attacked and his father
fought, and you see the hair and

1435
01:30:48,800 --> 01:30:51,600
symbol on the sword.
And then, that's when you start

1436
01:30:51,600 --> 01:30:56,300
to hear this other stuff and he
finds out about rather he goes

1437
01:30:56,300 --> 01:31:00,000
to the Seer to find out what she
sees for real and that's when

1438
01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:06,600
she tells him that She had the
vision and you know, that was

1439
01:31:06,600 --> 01:31:11,500
the vision that we were talking
about where she saw the next.

1440
01:31:11,700 --> 01:31:16,100
The next dragon being born on
the mountain was snow blah blah

1441
01:31:16,100 --> 01:31:17,800
blah.
She starts telling him all these

1442
01:31:17,800 --> 01:31:21,600
details about his birthday.
He never knew and that's what he

1443
01:31:21,600 --> 01:31:25,700
realizes that he's the dragon
and he asked if he was like, do

1444
01:31:25,700 --> 01:31:27,800
I come back?
And she just kind of gets up and

1445
01:31:27,800 --> 01:31:29,500
leaves the table?
He was like, yeah, that's what I

1446
01:31:29,500 --> 01:31:34,900
thought and I was like I mean,
we've been saying it, but I

1447
01:31:34,907 --> 01:31:39,100
think he's, I think he's sort of
suspected all along and then we

1448
01:31:39,100 --> 01:31:40,900
also / /, Max?
Yeah.

1449
01:31:41,900 --> 01:31:42,600
Yeah.
Of him.

1450
01:31:42,600 --> 01:31:45,000
Using the power.
He's be using wind power the

1451
01:31:45,000 --> 01:31:46,700
whole time.
He's been, he's out there.

1452
01:31:47,000 --> 01:31:50,800
He's that Bullseye it, cuz he's
channeling right in the

1453
01:31:50,800 --> 01:31:53,600
bullseye, right?
Maybe get the flashes of him.

1454
01:31:53,600 --> 01:31:57,500
Using the 1 power, when the
trial, it came in the cave and I

1455
01:31:57,500 --> 01:32:00,600
never noticed it the first time
but when they showed his

1456
01:32:00,600 --> 01:32:03,900
flashback I went back and
Actually right now, while I have

1457
01:32:03,900 --> 01:32:07,500
it planned in the background,
when egwene threw up her arms

1458
01:32:07,500 --> 01:32:11,100
against the trolley, can you see
the, you know, you see the

1459
01:32:11,100 --> 01:32:15,200
Wisps.
I never noticed Rams, Arm coming

1460
01:32:15,200 --> 01:32:19,500
around her around and that was
when we see, he actually used

1461
01:32:19,500 --> 01:32:22,200
his power to throw the chili
cook-off and I was there.

1462
01:32:22,300 --> 01:32:24,600
She put hers up sort of like a
defense.

1463
01:32:24,900 --> 01:32:27,500
He threw his taxi.
Knock it off.

1464
01:32:27,500 --> 01:32:29,100
Yeah.
And to protect her.

1465
01:32:29,200 --> 01:32:33,900
Yeah. so, I was just like, Oh
ran.

1466
01:32:34,500 --> 01:32:36,500
And I wanted to save mention
that he has.

1467
01:32:36,500 --> 01:32:39,900
He did the mash insensitive.
His deepest fear was her leaving

1468
01:32:39,900 --> 01:32:45,800
him again but here he actually
is like yeah you go to the White

1469
01:32:45,800 --> 01:32:50,200
Tower and now go there with you.
Yeah and be awarded.

1470
01:32:50,200 --> 01:32:52,800
So it was like you really think.
I'm gonna let somebody else do

1471
01:32:52,800 --> 01:32:56,000
your water right?
And I think that's kind of cool

1472
01:32:56,000 --> 01:32:59,600
because it shows you that, you
know, even though that was his

1473
01:32:59,600 --> 01:33:06,000
deepest fear of her leaving him,
He would have gone with her, you

1474
01:33:06,000 --> 01:33:06,900
know.
Yeah.

1475
01:33:07,600 --> 01:33:11,500
And I think she and she even
said that she would not go

1476
01:33:11,500 --> 01:33:15,100
without him because she was like
I made that mistake once I'm not

1477
01:33:15,100 --> 01:33:19,700
doing that again.
It was like, oh, if you to the

1478
01:33:19,700 --> 01:33:23,900
White Tower, then what's going
to the White Tower, you really

1479
01:33:23,900 --> 01:33:26,500
think I'm Gonna Let You Bond
somebody else solutely.

1480
01:33:26,500 --> 01:33:32,400
Not absolutely, not absolutely
not. but then, you know, the

1481
01:33:32,400 --> 01:33:36,900
next morning, Oh, okay.
Can we go back to the

1482
01:33:36,900 --> 01:33:43,500
conversation at the land?
And nine Eve had the little

1483
01:33:43,500 --> 01:33:44,500
pillow talk.
Oh yes.

1484
01:33:44,500 --> 01:33:48,700
I'm so sorry.
Yes, because that's when we find

1485
01:33:48,700 --> 01:33:51,100
out lands.
True identity.

1486
01:33:52,100 --> 01:33:57,300
Yes, I'll and Mondragon.
He is the lord of the seven

1487
01:33:57,300 --> 01:34:01,700
Towers lord of the Lakes, the
true blade of manicure defender

1488
01:34:01,700 --> 01:34:05,500
of the wall of first fires.
The bear Or of the sword of the

1489
01:34:05,500 --> 01:34:08,900
thousand lakes, May he sever the
shadow?

1490
01:34:09,200 --> 01:34:12,900
He's also the dash cam, which
also means battle Lord.

1491
01:34:13,500 --> 01:34:18,800
So he is the king of malc here.
We go.

1492
01:34:19,000 --> 01:34:24,700
Yes, he is based on both
Lancelot and King elessar, till

1493
01:34:24,700 --> 01:34:27,300
cantar who we also know as
Aragon.

1494
01:34:28,600 --> 01:34:35,400
Okay?
He because Lancelot Lancelot, I

1495
01:34:35,400 --> 01:34:40,200
think is Lancelot do lock, which
is servant of the lake, which is

1496
01:34:40,200 --> 01:34:45,100
clearly, you know, the lord of
the lakes for a lad Mondragon.

1497
01:34:45,100 --> 01:34:49,000
So, yeah, it's very, very close
and also the king without a

1498
01:34:49,008 --> 01:34:51,700
country.
You know, he's a long-lost.

1499
01:34:51,700 --> 01:34:55,600
Heir, was not really lost.
They are people.

1500
01:34:55,600 --> 01:34:57,600
That was the thing.
That was the reason why I was

1501
01:34:57,600 --> 01:35:01,900
asking was his identity.
Enone because when he tells her

1502
01:35:01,900 --> 01:35:04,500
about it because she as she
says, why does, why does he call

1503
01:35:04,500 --> 01:35:10,700
you die shin and he tells her
about, you know, who he is the

1504
01:35:10,700 --> 01:35:12,700
name?
Given to the heir to the throne?

1505
01:35:13,500 --> 01:35:16,300
Yeah, and she's looking at him.
Like wait, I just slept with a

1506
01:35:16,308 --> 01:35:18,600
prince.
What you like?

1507
01:35:18,800 --> 01:35:22,000
Hold on.
No, he's actually it mean well,

1508
01:35:22,000 --> 01:35:23,200
he's a king now.
Yes.

1509
01:35:23,200 --> 01:35:25,400
But she said, yeah, it's still
there.

1510
01:35:25,500 --> 01:35:29,800
That's why.
That's why Lord a lag Omar was

1511
01:35:30,100 --> 01:35:32,500
Beating him that way because he
is a king.

1512
01:35:32,500 --> 01:35:37,800
Yeah, he has you know like you
said the guy that the house he

1513
01:35:37,800 --> 01:35:42,400
went to, he was one of the
guards that that stars monkey

1514
01:35:42,400 --> 01:35:43,900
mouth.
Yeah.

1515
01:35:43,900 --> 01:35:47,300
Smuggle him out of the castle
with when the tropics and the

1516
01:35:47,300 --> 01:35:52,600
blight over ruin my kid.
There are mouths, you know,

1517
01:35:52,600 --> 01:35:54,100
family.
Yeah.

1518
01:35:54,100 --> 01:35:56,100
They keeping the fire World
family.

1519
01:35:56,100 --> 01:35:58,100
Yeah.
So that's why I was like is his

1520
01:35:58,200 --> 01:36:03,900
is his Identity really known
because you think about, like,

1521
01:36:04,300 --> 01:36:07,000
going back to Game of Thrones
since you just read that

1522
01:36:07,000 --> 01:36:10,400
long-ass title, that's what it
put me in the mind of, but like

1523
01:36:10,400 --> 01:36:14,100
when the targaryens were being
killed off, remember the saracen

1524
01:36:14,100 --> 01:36:18,100
Daenerys were kind of smuggled
away as well, and they were kept

1525
01:36:18,100 --> 01:36:20,600
hidden.
So I just wondered if that was

1526
01:36:20,600 --> 01:36:23,800
the same thing for land.
Like did they hide him?

1527
01:36:24,100 --> 01:36:28,400
Was his identity known or so?
Okay, everybody, even if he was,

1528
01:36:28,400 --> 01:36:30,600
there are there are male Look
here.

1529
01:36:30,600 --> 01:36:33,500
As you see the art malky, are
people still around?

1530
01:36:33,500 --> 01:36:35,100
It's just that they don't have a
country.

1531
01:36:35,100 --> 01:36:38,400
Okay.
And he is the only one of the

1532
01:36:38,400 --> 01:36:43,000
royal family that's left.
Yeah, if you remember in

1533
01:36:43,000 --> 01:36:46,300
Shannara, in this scenario,
stories and Sahara.

1534
01:36:46,500 --> 01:36:50,700
That was the same thing drill.
She was a journalist and I think

1535
01:36:50,700 --> 01:36:53,100
he was the, he was like a cousin
to the family.

1536
01:36:53,100 --> 01:36:55,300
He was like the last one left.
Okay.

1537
01:36:55,900 --> 01:36:57,200
Yeah.
That story too.

1538
01:36:57,400 --> 01:37:04,300
So my question is, With him, you
know, being King with no country

1539
01:37:04,300 --> 01:37:11,000
whatever, whatever if say the
blight is destroyed and they are

1540
01:37:11,000 --> 01:37:14,800
able to rebuild now.
Here would he still be able to

1541
01:37:14,800 --> 01:37:20,000
be the King as a water to an?
I said I like how would that

1542
01:37:20,000 --> 01:37:23,200
work?
I'm going to say yes.

1543
01:37:23,300 --> 01:37:27,600
Okay.
Okay, even if it okay, I was

1544
01:37:27,600 --> 01:37:30,600
just curious about it because
there's one of the things that

1545
01:37:30,600 --> 01:37:34,900
we don't get into later in the
series is the game of houses

1546
01:37:35,200 --> 01:37:37,400
which is like the Game of
Thrones book and a, my house has

1547
01:37:37,400 --> 01:37:41,400
this weird.
He sort of got it from is eat.

1548
01:37:41,400 --> 01:37:44,500
Your title is very important.
Okay?

1549
01:37:44,800 --> 01:37:47,200
So a tile is not something that
you would hide.

1550
01:37:47,800 --> 01:37:51,800
Everyone's style is important.
It was political Alliance is

1551
01:37:51,800 --> 01:37:55,000
important, even though he's a
King Without a country, he's

1552
01:37:55,000 --> 01:37:57,800
very important.
I was gonna say cuz it seems

1553
01:37:57,800 --> 01:38:02,300
like even.
Okay, so, in, in my mind, the

1554
01:38:02,300 --> 01:38:05,500
way I was thinking like, oh,
what they have hit him that sort

1555
01:38:05,500 --> 01:38:08,300
of thing.
I feel like, even if there was

1556
01:38:08,300 --> 01:38:14,100
somebody actively trying to kill
him, I feel like the people of

1557
01:38:14,100 --> 01:38:17,900
this country would protect him
just like they would their own

1558
01:38:17,900 --> 01:38:20,300
ruler.
First, and foremost, you can try

1559
01:38:20,300 --> 01:38:25,700
to kill If you want to, and I'm
just saying, I got you, I got

1560
01:38:25,700 --> 01:38:28,600
now.
He's been, you know, he's people

1561
01:38:28,600 --> 01:38:32,400
have tried to manipulate him,
there was a woman who who tried

1562
01:38:32,400 --> 01:38:35,000
to manipulate him into marrying,
her daughter.

1563
01:38:36,100 --> 01:38:42,200
She was going to do a compulsion
on him and make him do so.

1564
01:38:42,400 --> 01:38:45,700
Yeah, there are nefarious,
people I did with this in the

1565
01:38:45,700 --> 01:38:48,900
various for other reasons not to
kill him but to bring him into

1566
01:38:48,900 --> 01:38:54,200
their family because Of who he
is, okay.

1567
01:38:55,300 --> 01:38:58,800
But yeah, he's most certainly
Aragon.

1568
01:38:58,800 --> 01:39:02,300
He's most certainly Lancelot,
even they haven't talked about

1569
01:39:02,300 --> 01:39:07,100
it, but even his sword was made
with the one power as well.

1570
01:39:07,100 --> 01:39:11,800
So he has a power sword.
Yeah, it's Yeah.

1571
01:39:12,500 --> 01:39:14,400
Okay.
But yeah, I love the way that

1572
01:39:14,400 --> 01:39:18,600
they had this conversation
because when she needs help and

1573
01:39:18,600 --> 01:39:23,200
she was like, okay, so I know
why you or, you know, so devoted

1574
01:39:23,200 --> 01:39:26,100
or so loyal to Moraine.
She was like you're a King

1575
01:39:26,100 --> 01:39:30,900
Without a country aboard,
without a family and now you

1576
01:39:30,900 --> 01:39:35,100
belong to her.
He was looking at her like I'm

1577
01:39:35,100 --> 01:39:38,500
my own person like she doesn't
own me.

1578
01:39:39,600 --> 01:39:42,100
He was like, I'm free and I
think that was really him.

1579
01:39:42,100 --> 01:39:46,300
Trying to say.
Yeah, I may be loyal to her, but

1580
01:39:46,300 --> 01:39:48,300
that is not.
I mean, the way he was looking

1581
01:39:48,300 --> 01:39:51,600
at her, he was like, yeah, but
my heart belongs to you, he was

1582
01:39:51,600 --> 01:39:54,600
singing Jodeci to her.
He was like yeah.

1583
01:39:54,700 --> 01:39:59,100
Uh, just so you just so you
understand how this works?

1584
01:39:59,400 --> 01:40:01,800
Yeah.
Maybe bonded to her but this is

1585
01:40:01,800 --> 01:40:04,700
something totally different and
You ain't going nowhere.

1586
01:40:04,800 --> 01:40:09,800
Get back in the bed, but yeah,
that was funny.

1587
01:40:09,900 --> 01:40:12,400
That was well, that was very
long overdue.

1588
01:40:12,700 --> 01:40:14,500
Yeah.
I also want to say we were

1589
01:40:14,500 --> 01:40:16,400
talking about the fantasy
tropes.

1590
01:40:17,300 --> 01:40:21,600
This he is one of the truths
that Jordan went the opposite on

1591
01:40:22,200 --> 01:40:26,100
because a lot of times it is the
loss are is being actively

1592
01:40:26,100 --> 01:40:29,800
hunted and be had to hide them.
He's the complete opposite.

1593
01:40:29,800 --> 01:40:32,100
Yeah, you know everybody knew
who you was.

1594
01:40:32,100 --> 01:40:35,300
Everyone treated him as such.
And knowing this would have been

1595
01:40:35,300 --> 01:40:38,200
a trained him and they did all
the things that he was supposed

1596
01:40:38,200 --> 01:40:41,300
to do as a king.
He just didn't have a country,

1597
01:40:41,400 --> 01:40:42,500
okay?
Because people didn't have a

1598
01:40:42,508 --> 01:40:45,800
country.
So, you know, when you re like

1599
01:40:45,800 --> 01:40:48,600
the big area drag, Aaron Yan was
being hidden.

1600
01:40:48,900 --> 01:40:51,000
Yeah, Lord of the Rings were
Aragorn.

1601
01:40:51,100 --> 01:40:54,400
Aragon was being hidden, you
know, Harry Potter was being

1602
01:40:54,400 --> 01:40:57,400
hidden.
So this one this is the one

1603
01:40:57,400 --> 01:41:00,100
character weird.
No, he was not hitting everybody

1604
01:41:00,100 --> 01:41:01,800
in the room.
He was right?

1605
01:41:01,900 --> 01:41:06,000
So okay, then Was one thing.
Another thing that I liked about

1606
01:41:06,100 --> 01:41:11,000
this story is that it doesn't
always follow the tropes,

1607
01:41:11,400 --> 01:41:15,300
exactly the way that you would
think they would write, okay.

1608
01:41:17,000 --> 01:41:21,700
So, yeah, anyway, the next
morning it Wayne goes to 90s

1609
01:41:21,700 --> 01:41:23,200
room, of course not, Nev hasn't
been there.

1610
01:41:23,200 --> 01:41:27,100
Hasn't slept there.
She comes in and as she's

1611
01:41:27,100 --> 01:41:29,800
apologizing to egwene for
opening her mouth.

1612
01:41:29,800 --> 01:41:33,200
Here comes parent.
So all three of them are

1613
01:41:33,200 --> 01:41:36,300
standing there, awkwardly and
then I Nev is asking them.

1614
01:41:36,300 --> 01:41:37,900
Okay, so what did you guys
decide?

1615
01:41:37,900 --> 01:41:42,500
And Big weigh-in is like I'm
going to the eye of the world.

1616
01:41:42,700 --> 01:41:45,500
I'm gonna go, we're going to
finish this out paring knives,

1617
01:41:45,500 --> 01:41:49,500
his Ascent so he's thinking the
same thing to land comes to the

1618
01:41:49,500 --> 01:41:54,600
door and She realizes something
is wrong.

1619
01:41:54,600 --> 01:41:59,200
He says Moran has masked our
bond, she's left and they were

1620
01:41:59,200 --> 01:42:01,400
like by herself.
And then that's when everybody

1621
01:42:01,400 --> 01:42:05,300
realizes ran.
Because egwene is looking for.

1622
01:42:05,300 --> 01:42:07,900
And he's not there when she
asked parent.

1623
01:42:07,900 --> 01:42:11,200
Parent was like, I thought he
was with you, but no, we see.

1624
01:42:11,700 --> 01:42:16,500
He goes to Moraine and he tells
her, it's me, I'm the dragon and

1625
01:42:16,500 --> 01:42:20,500
so they have left.
And they are approaching the

1626
01:42:20,500 --> 01:42:22,200
blight.
And like I said, when we, when

1627
01:42:22,200 --> 01:42:25,600
we see the blight, it looks like
this hugely overgrow.

1628
01:42:25,600 --> 01:42:30,600
It's like they look like Roots,
that's just over taking

1629
01:42:31,300 --> 01:42:37,500
everything.
And I think the description that

1630
01:42:37,500 --> 01:42:42,400
you gave earlier Anthony that
was very spot on as far as it

1631
01:42:42,400 --> 01:42:51,500
being like him and when they go
in, I noticed that Moraine is

1632
01:42:51,500 --> 01:42:55,700
very careful with how she walks
in, like, like you have these

1633
01:42:55,700 --> 01:42:59,500
big thick branches, and then
you've got the smaller branches.

1634
01:42:59,800 --> 01:43:02,800
And I've noticed when you see or
she's holding her hands in a

1635
01:43:02,808 --> 01:43:07,000
particular way, She's only
touching the smaller branches

1636
01:43:07,000 --> 01:43:12,600
and she's being very careful how
she walks and I was like, is

1637
01:43:12,600 --> 01:43:15,100
this one of those things where
if you touch it wrong, it's

1638
01:43:15,100 --> 01:43:17,500
going to grab you.
And, of course, I'm thinking the

1639
01:43:17,500 --> 01:43:20,400
The Last of Us in my head
because that's what we're

1640
01:43:20,400 --> 01:43:23,100
discussing now.
That's the other show, we are

1641
01:43:23,100 --> 01:43:27,100
discussing and I was like, okay,
so is this one of those things

1642
01:43:27,100 --> 01:43:29,500
where if they step wrong, the
branches are going to grab them

1643
01:43:29,500 --> 01:43:33,000
and and kill them.
I mean, when Rand walks in there

1644
01:43:33,000 --> 01:43:35,900
is the skeleton.
Of a man sitting in the, you

1645
01:43:35,900 --> 01:43:37,800
know, in between some of the
branches.

1646
01:43:37,800 --> 01:43:43,000
So obviously this thing does
kill people and not just take

1647
01:43:43,000 --> 01:43:46,600
over like the wildlife and the
castles and all this other stuff

1648
01:43:46,700 --> 01:43:48,600
people who get caught up in
there too.

1649
01:43:48,600 --> 01:43:52,300
I'm guessing died.
So I was like, oh okay.

1650
01:43:52,300 --> 01:43:54,400
And what was it?
Meringue said we have to travel

1651
01:43:54,400 --> 01:43:58,000
through the blight, to get to
the eye of the really.

1652
01:43:58,300 --> 01:44:01,500
Why why?
I mean I know why.

1653
01:44:01,600 --> 01:44:05,400
But yeah, just do it already.
I said I'm gonna go to my

1654
01:44:05,400 --> 01:44:08,700
potential death.
Do you have to make him struggle

1655
01:44:08,700 --> 01:44:10,900
to get there?
Right?

1656
01:44:12,700 --> 01:44:16,500
I don't know if it's going to be
interesting to see.

1657
01:44:16,500 --> 01:44:22,100
We're going to go with this.
Because I mean and and like you

1658
01:44:22,100 --> 01:44:27,400
said, we saw uses of R and using
that power like and I need to

1659
01:44:27,407 --> 01:44:34,300
think about the fact that when,
and when he was with the barmaid

1660
01:44:35,000 --> 01:44:38,100
and she locked him in the room
and he opened the door.

1661
01:44:38,400 --> 01:44:44,300
I had a feeling about it then,
but I was with 10 men.

1662
01:44:44,300 --> 01:44:46,300
Couldn't knock that door down,
right?

1663
01:44:47,100 --> 01:44:51,200
Exactly like three times.
And I was like, okay, so either

1664
01:44:51,200 --> 01:44:55,000
he is channeling or there's
something else about his

1665
01:44:55,000 --> 01:44:58,100
character that we don't know.
Not if I had not known, he was

1666
01:44:58,100 --> 01:44:59,600
the dragon.
Or if I had not thought he was a

1667
01:44:59,608 --> 01:45:03,800
dragon seeing the the Herculean
strength.

1668
01:45:03,800 --> 01:45:08,900
His mom had fighting off men
while she's in active labor.

1669
01:45:09,100 --> 01:45:11,400
I would have been like oh she
got he got some of his strength

1670
01:45:11,400 --> 01:45:14,800
from her like she had to have
had some kind of superhuman

1671
01:45:14,800 --> 01:45:18,100
strength that she passed on to
To him, I would have thought

1672
01:45:18,100 --> 01:45:21,000
that and been okay with it.
But, you know, once we go back

1673
01:45:21,000 --> 01:45:24,500
and we see the flashes I'm like,
yeah, makes sense.

1674
01:45:25,700 --> 01:45:30,700
It makes sense.
So, I don't know.

1675
01:45:30,700 --> 01:45:32,800
Now, we only have one episode
left.

1676
01:45:32,800 --> 01:45:36,000
Random Moran have left, the rest
of them are behind.

1677
01:45:36,000 --> 01:45:38,200
We didn't seem at all in this
episode.

1678
01:45:38,200 --> 01:45:42,700
So I have a feeling we probably
won't see him at all for the

1679
01:45:42,700 --> 01:45:44,900
rest of this season.
And then, of course, you know,

1680
01:45:45,600 --> 01:45:49,700
we found out after the first
season are that the actor who

1681
01:45:49,700 --> 01:45:52,400
plays Matt has actually been
recast, so we're going to get a

1682
01:45:52,400 --> 01:45:58,100
whole different mat in the
second season, but I don't know,

1683
01:45:58,100 --> 01:46:02,800
it's if we forgot that we forgot
the, we forgot to mention that

1684
01:46:03,000 --> 01:46:09,500
Marine told, I'll go, Mars
sister to send word to the white

1685
01:46:09,500 --> 01:46:13,100
tired of look for.
Oh yeah, we did.

1686
01:46:13,100 --> 01:46:18,600
And she told her, who do I tell
the red eyes boy killed.

1687
01:46:19,700 --> 01:46:22,300
But, I mean, again, she doesn't,
she doesn't know for sure, if

1688
01:46:22,300 --> 01:46:26,300
Matt is isn't the dragon either
like, ran can say, oh yeah, it's

1689
01:46:26,300 --> 01:46:28,300
me.
True.

1690
01:46:28,300 --> 01:46:32,400
But it also makes sense that she
would because if she sent the

1691
01:46:32,400 --> 01:46:36,100
information land was going to
find out anyway.

1692
01:46:37,100 --> 01:46:41,900
But at least if it goes to Lee
Andrian, there won't be any idea

1693
01:46:41,900 --> 01:46:45,500
that it came from her and same
thing.

1694
01:46:46,000 --> 01:46:51,300
Like if it would be weird if she
said to the Blue Sisters really

1695
01:46:51,300 --> 01:46:54,400
engine back, but if you see into
the engine and the engine is

1696
01:46:54,400 --> 01:46:57,100
going to be like, okay, this
must be serious.

1697
01:46:57,200 --> 01:46:58,900
Me to give this information.
Yeah.

1698
01:46:58,900 --> 01:47:02,100
For you to send this directly to
me, like she may not even know

1699
01:47:02,100 --> 01:47:05,700
business Marine.
Yeah, no we want.

1700
01:47:06,300 --> 01:47:08,700
We don't want this boy Dad.
If we think that he's the next

1701
01:47:08,700 --> 01:47:12,600
dragon or if he think you know
or maybe not dead maybe they'll

1702
01:47:12,600 --> 01:47:16,800
just gentle him or whatever.
But either way it goes like mad

1703
01:47:16,800 --> 01:47:20,000
is already been having some
issues and I don't remember if

1704
01:47:20,000 --> 01:47:23,300
LeAndre knew what was wrong with
Matt when she found out about

1705
01:47:23,300 --> 01:47:25,400
that.
So I don't think she did.

1706
01:47:27,200 --> 01:47:30,600
She just knew the Vic that she
had them so you know, and that

1707
01:47:30,600 --> 01:47:34,000
he was sick but he had an
Affliction but I don't think she

1708
01:47:34,000 --> 01:47:39,600
knew exactly what it was.
So this is pretty good episode.

1709
01:47:39,600 --> 01:47:44,200
I enjoyed it has had a few
issues with it but I enjoyed it.

1710
01:47:44,200 --> 01:47:46,000
So what were the issues that you
had?

1711
01:47:46,600 --> 01:47:50,000
Oh I've had since begin the
whole parenting.

1712
01:47:50,200 --> 01:47:56,700
The whole love triangle between.
Okay big Wayne and necessary.

1713
01:47:57,400 --> 01:48:05,100
and it doesn't serve any purpose
and I don't know, I guess it

1714
01:48:05,100 --> 01:48:08,200
does in a sense if you think
about the fact, like we

1715
01:48:08,200 --> 01:48:12,300
discussed this at the beginning,
we're in the book sparing didn't

1716
01:48:12,300 --> 01:48:15,900
have a wife.
But you said you felt like they

1717
01:48:15,900 --> 01:48:22,100
put the wife in here to kind of
explain why he is the way he is

1718
01:48:22,100 --> 01:48:24,600
because like you said in the
book has a lot of internal

1719
01:48:24,600 --> 01:48:26,400
dialogue.
Well, they can't really do it.

1720
01:48:26,400 --> 01:48:29,000
Just internal dialogue on the
show, you got it.

1721
01:48:29,200 --> 01:48:31,700
Yeah.
You got to kind of show what the

1722
01:48:31,700 --> 01:48:33,300
character is going.
I'm through.

1723
01:48:33,300 --> 01:48:39,200
So I guess that's a way to
visualize that, but also, I feel

1724
01:48:39,200 --> 01:48:45,500
like the triangle is also a way
to bring that forth because it

1725
01:48:45,500 --> 01:48:49,200
is one thing to have guilt about
accidentally, killing your

1726
01:48:49,200 --> 01:48:53,300
pregnant wife.
It adds a whole different layer

1727
01:48:53,600 --> 01:48:57,700
if you accidentally killed your
pregnant wife and you were in

1728
01:48:57,700 --> 01:48:59,400
love with someone else in the
first place.

1729
01:48:59,400 --> 01:49:02,400
Because then he'll go, then
he'll go through that.

1730
01:49:02,500 --> 01:49:07,600
Oh, well, she was only married
to me because it Gwen was with

1731
01:49:07,600 --> 01:49:11,900
Rand and I asked her, and maybe
if I hadn't done this shoot, it

1732
01:49:11,900 --> 01:49:15,900
adds a whole different layer to
it, you know, it gives it more

1733
01:49:15,900 --> 01:49:18,300
of a reason for him to be
tortured.

1734
01:49:19,000 --> 01:49:22,900
It does.
But however, I need to seems

1735
01:49:22,900 --> 01:49:27,000
like excessive, not thinking
about the book, this the show in

1736
01:49:27,000 --> 01:49:30,400
general, it just, it doesn't
feel, right?

1737
01:49:30,500 --> 01:49:34,300
It doesn't seem right,
especially them all growing up

1738
01:49:34,300 --> 01:49:37,500
together and him a man's best
friend, right?

1739
01:49:37,500 --> 01:49:40,600
It's like you didn't know what
was going on between the two of

1740
01:49:40,600 --> 01:49:43,400
them, right?
Yeah, y'all so if anything

1741
01:49:43,400 --> 01:49:46,300
actually has two thousand years
ago yes like this is the men.

1742
01:49:46,300 --> 01:49:48,500
Something y'all already tough
surrounding them.

1743
01:49:48,600 --> 01:49:51,600
Mud over, right and being
squashed it then, right,

1744
01:49:51,800 --> 01:49:54,800
especially if we're, if ran was
a child going to pick,

1745
01:49:54,800 --> 01:49:58,100
strawberries for it went.
Okay.

1746
01:49:58,300 --> 01:50:03,800
That means it was obvious from a
very young age that this was who

1747
01:50:03,800 --> 01:50:08,600
he was going to be with, right?
So, I get what you're saying,

1748
01:50:08,700 --> 01:50:13,400
you said to put those feelings
away, even his, you obviously,

1749
01:50:13,400 --> 01:50:17,700
never took the effort or made
the effort to say anything to

1750
01:50:17,700 --> 01:50:19,100
her or anyone.
One about it.

1751
01:50:19,100 --> 01:50:22,300
You you kept it to yourself,
then you should have just

1752
01:50:22,300 --> 01:50:25,000
watched it because you watching
your friend, bring her

1753
01:50:25,000 --> 01:50:27,400
strawberries.
That should have been your clue.

1754
01:50:28,800 --> 01:50:33,000
Yeah, I mean, and we think is
one of the two rivers, everyone

1755
01:50:33,000 --> 01:50:34,600
kind of knew who was going to
get.

1756
01:50:34,700 --> 01:50:36,900
They I don't want see the
arranged marriages, but they

1757
01:50:36,900 --> 01:50:40,900
kind of pushed people together
and they were all pushing her

1758
01:50:40,900 --> 01:50:44,100
and ran together.
So, yeah, dude, you should've

1759
01:50:44,100 --> 01:50:46,900
said something long time ago.
Yeah.

1760
01:50:48,100 --> 01:50:51,000
If for nothing else than to get
over it.

1761
01:50:51,600 --> 01:50:54,500
Yeah, you know, to at least
voice it out there, it's out

1762
01:50:54,500 --> 01:50:56,400
there.
You don't have to sit with it

1763
01:50:56,800 --> 01:51:00,900
and then maybe that point once
you realize, okay, they both of

1764
01:51:00,900 --> 01:51:04,300
them know that you like her are
in love with her and they are

1765
01:51:04,300 --> 01:51:08,800
still together that at least
that put some closure in your

1766
01:51:08,800 --> 01:51:11,200
mind that.
Okay this is this is not going

1767
01:51:11,200 --> 01:51:13,900
to happen.
Yeah and I don't know there are

1768
01:51:13,900 --> 01:51:17,200
like 20 years old y'all kind of
old now yeah you know.

1769
01:51:17,500 --> 01:51:23,100
But also the thing too, is I
don't, even though I think he

1770
01:51:23,100 --> 01:51:25,700
has feelings for her, he's in
love with her, whatever.

1771
01:51:25,800 --> 01:51:29,400
Whatever the case may be, I
still don't think it's to the

1772
01:51:29,400 --> 01:51:33,000
point where he would want her
and ran apart.

1773
01:51:33,000 --> 01:51:36,700
Like, he looks at them and he
sees them obviously, well, maybe

1774
01:51:36,700 --> 01:51:40,500
not happy in this moment but
they're obviously together

1775
01:51:40,800 --> 01:51:43,100
there, they obviously have each
other's back.

1776
01:51:43,100 --> 01:51:46,100
They obviously love each other,
a lot.

1777
01:51:46,300 --> 01:51:49,300
And I think he sees bit and I
don't think he'd be grudges than

1778
01:51:49,300 --> 01:51:51,500
that, but it's just kind of one
of those things where it's kind

1779
01:51:51,500 --> 01:51:56,900
of like, You're happy for them
but at the same time, if things

1780
01:51:56,900 --> 01:52:01,200
could be different you want them
to be different, right?

1781
01:52:01,200 --> 01:52:06,800
But yeah I guess I can I can see
it is because it's just a little

1782
01:52:06,800 --> 01:52:09,400
bit of a issue.
Yeah like I understand why it's

1783
01:52:09,400 --> 01:52:11,200
there.
It's just I don't think we care

1784
01:52:11,200 --> 01:52:14,300
for it.
Yeah because it does it is.

1785
01:52:14,300 --> 01:52:17,500
Messes up pairing a rains
relationship.

1786
01:52:18,300 --> 01:52:20,400
You know.
Yeah like where is going to be?

1787
01:52:20,400 --> 01:52:22,600
Where is the absolute?
Trust going to come from.

1788
01:52:24,000 --> 01:52:30,500
Yeah, they don't have the same
thing with random Mac in this

1789
01:52:30,500 --> 01:52:33,800
one.
You know, in this show and I

1790
01:52:33,808 --> 01:52:36,800
don't know if that's how it was
in the books, but I mean you

1791
01:52:36,800 --> 01:52:41,100
said time and time again how
they've completely changed mats

1792
01:52:41,100 --> 01:52:45,400
character and he was not this
way in the books, but there's a

1793
01:52:45,400 --> 01:52:47,100
lot of conflict with him around
here.

1794
01:52:47,100 --> 01:52:52,200
Like, he has He's had some
hostility towards ran, I don't

1795
01:52:52,200 --> 01:52:57,100
know, maybe now that we know
that Rand is the dragon, or at

1796
01:52:57,100 --> 01:53:00,300
least we think Rand is the
dragon because he still might

1797
01:53:00,300 --> 01:53:02,400
not be.
He might just be a dude who can

1798
01:53:02,400 --> 01:53:06,400
Channel.
I'm just, I'm just been a damn,

1799
01:53:06,400 --> 01:53:14,200
maybe pace of about benefit, but
before we knew that maybe that's

1800
01:53:14,200 --> 01:53:18,800
what maybe Matt and the Darkness
that was in him when he He had,

1801
01:53:18,800 --> 01:53:21,700
you know, the darkness from the
knife, maybe that's what that

1802
01:53:21,700 --> 01:53:24,700
Darkness was sensing and maybe
that was part of the reason why

1803
01:53:24,800 --> 01:53:28,600
Matt was so antagonistic towards
him.

1804
01:53:29,500 --> 01:53:32,700
They could be true.
But that could be because if

1805
01:53:32,700 --> 01:53:36,500
they, I mean, because if you
look at the way things are, like

1806
01:53:36,500 --> 01:53:39,900
Rand will say his little things
too mad when Matt is being an

1807
01:53:39,900 --> 01:53:43,800
asshole or whatever.
But for the most part ran has

1808
01:53:43,800 --> 01:53:48,200
been the one who has had mats
back this entire season.

1809
01:53:48,300 --> 01:53:51,100
I like even when Matt is fucking
up.

1810
01:53:51,200 --> 01:53:54,400
Rand is they're trying to
encourage him trying to be like,

1811
01:53:54,400 --> 01:53:57,200
oh, you know, like like when he
thought that he killed the

1812
01:53:57,200 --> 01:54:01,500
little girl and her family ran
was like, no, dude, you didn't

1813
01:54:01,500 --> 01:54:04,100
do that.
I think Matthew, even in the end

1814
01:54:04,100 --> 01:54:07,300
when he was telling them telling
that EV you get to try to Nomad

1815
01:54:07,600 --> 01:54:09,200
you.
Like he's defending the man, he

1816
01:54:09,200 --> 01:54:17,700
ain't even there.
So there's from ran to Matt deal

1817
01:54:17,700 --> 01:54:20,800
with be their absolute rest and
I think format terrain because

1818
01:54:20,800 --> 01:54:24,700
Matt would know that ran was
there with him every step of the

1819
01:54:24,700 --> 01:54:28,400
way if you don't you dare with
parent and I think that's the

1820
01:54:28,400 --> 01:54:29,400
problem.
Yeah.

1821
01:54:32,000 --> 01:54:37,700
I agree.
Okay, we got one episode left.

1822
01:54:38,900 --> 01:54:45,100
yay, but the good thing is, We
should be getting the second

1823
01:54:45,100 --> 01:54:53,800
season sometime later this year.
Yeah, sorry I mean I'm gonna I'm

1824
01:54:53,800 --> 01:54:55,500
gonna watch you guys know I'm
going to watch.

1825
01:54:55,500 --> 01:54:58,600
It's just that I was, I was so
hyped.

1826
01:54:58,600 --> 01:55:02,800
I mean I went I have no, I
didn't read the books, I

1827
01:55:02,800 --> 01:55:05,100
wouldn't I read the first book
started a little bit as I

1828
01:55:05,100 --> 01:55:08,200
because I keep hearing it's, you
know, it's on the level of Miss

1829
01:55:08,200 --> 01:55:12,800
born and and, you know, and
Gardens of Eden, it's up there,

1830
01:55:12,900 --> 01:55:14,400
right?
So, I read it.

1831
01:55:14,600 --> 01:55:18,200
I was like, okay I can see, you
know, and then when I watch it

1832
01:55:18,200 --> 01:55:22,300
it's like, oh it's not that good
and I was so disappointed.

1833
01:55:22,300 --> 01:55:24,100
I think that was my main thing.
Yeah.

1834
01:55:24,400 --> 01:55:28,200
If you, if you're into the
books, this this series is very

1835
01:55:28,200 --> 01:55:32,100
disappointing.
Yeah, I will say that I'll give

1836
01:55:32,100 --> 01:55:34,000
you that.
Yeah, I said I should wait this

1837
01:55:34,000 --> 01:55:35,000
review.
I did.

1838
01:55:35,500 --> 01:55:38,700
Yes, don't start reading.
Don't start again.

1839
01:55:38,700 --> 01:55:42,200
I'll just keep cooking.
If you like Lori, if you like

1840
01:55:42,200 --> 01:55:44,300
Lori and you just start.
To reading?

1841
01:55:44,400 --> 01:55:46,500
Yeah.
It's gonna It's Gonna Hurt.

1842
01:55:46,600 --> 01:55:49,600
Yeah, it did it really did hurt.
Yeah.

1843
01:55:49,800 --> 01:55:51,700
Okay.
Like I said, I kept hearing

1844
01:55:51,700 --> 01:55:53,200
that.
This was Brandon Sanderson all

1845
01:55:53,200 --> 01:55:56,600
over again, because he finished
the book so and you know how big

1846
01:55:56,600 --> 01:55:58,500
he is.
So I got excited.

1847
01:56:00,100 --> 01:56:04,000
Yeah, but I think Anthony you
said before, you don't really

1848
01:56:04,000 --> 01:56:06,800
care too much for him, right?
I don't.

1849
01:56:06,800 --> 01:56:12,300
Okay, that's asleep it that.
Yeah, there's he's an

1850
01:56:12,300 --> 01:56:16,800
interesting person, but I will
say, I saw the scope for the new

1851
01:56:18,400 --> 01:56:22,000
figurines for the book series
that they're doing through hot

1852
01:56:22,000 --> 01:56:25,400
toys and toy fair and they look
good.

1853
01:56:25,500 --> 01:56:29,700
Oh they look so good but Does it
get different book series?

1854
01:56:30,100 --> 01:56:33,400
Yeah, okay.
All right.

1855
01:56:33,400 --> 01:56:41,400
Well you guys have any final
thoughts on episode 70 in the

1856
01:56:41,400 --> 01:56:45,300
movie database does list?
His mother's character's name,

1857
01:56:45,400 --> 01:56:47,800
Tea Green, Man, tear.
Okay.

1858
01:56:48,500 --> 01:56:52,200
It's you know, We'll learn more
about her later.

1859
01:56:52,200 --> 01:56:53,700
Okay.
See grain.

1860
01:56:54,100 --> 01:56:55,500
That was like, she is too
awesome.

1861
01:56:55,500 --> 01:56:59,400
A character for us to not get
anymore of so hopefully that

1862
01:56:59,400 --> 01:57:03,600
means we'll see more of her, her
Matsuri.

1863
01:57:04,100 --> 01:57:06,700
But I will say this about her
backstory.

1864
01:57:07,000 --> 01:57:10,200
You're probably going to be like
she did, what?

1865
01:57:11,500 --> 01:57:14,300
It's one of those things.
Wait, what?

1866
01:57:15,200 --> 01:57:20,600
Okay, alright, okay.
Now here I do have This one

1867
01:57:20,600 --> 01:57:28,200
question rants, father did not
know her before he came upon her

1868
01:57:28,200 --> 01:57:30,700
on that mountain.
Did he know?

1869
01:57:30,800 --> 01:57:35,200
Okay, because I just thought it
was so so interesting that all

1870
01:57:35,200 --> 01:57:38,600
the other people, all the other
soldiers that were on his side.

1871
01:57:38,600 --> 01:57:41,000
We're trying so hard to kill
her.

1872
01:57:41,500 --> 01:57:45,500
And then when he comes upon her
and I don't know, maybe it was

1873
01:57:45,500 --> 01:57:49,100
the fact that she was in labor
and he, you know, you see all

1874
01:57:49,100 --> 01:57:52,300
the bodies around She just
disposed of while she's in

1875
01:57:52,300 --> 01:57:54,200
labor.
I don't know if maybe it was

1876
01:57:54,200 --> 01:57:58,400
just some compassion for her
about the baby because when he

1877
01:57:58,400 --> 01:58:06,500
took that helmet off he looked I
don't know invested in a sense,

1878
01:58:06,800 --> 01:58:08,800
you know?
But then he gives her his hand

1879
01:58:08,800 --> 01:58:13,400
so she can continue to push and
then of course after she he cuts

1880
01:58:13,400 --> 01:58:17,200
the umbilical cord that's when
she dies because she got stabbed

1881
01:58:17,200 --> 01:58:21,800
right before she actually gave
birth but I was like Like did he

1882
01:58:21,800 --> 01:58:24,300
know her or was this just
random?

1883
01:58:24,300 --> 01:58:27,800
And he just decided to keep the
baby once, you know, she died.

1884
01:58:27,800 --> 01:58:30,200
Like what are you gonna do these
girls random?

1885
01:58:30,200 --> 01:58:35,900
Okay, blade Masters tend to be
very honorable people.

1886
01:58:36,300 --> 01:58:40,500
Okay.
And yeah, maybe you see was

1887
01:58:40,500 --> 01:58:43,300
still standing and fighting you
with a father and killed her,

1888
01:58:43,400 --> 01:58:45,900
okay, but she wasn't she wasn't
fighting.

1889
01:58:46,600 --> 01:58:49,600
It's who's having a baby and she
knew me.

1890
01:58:50,100 --> 01:58:52,000
Yeah, so he hope to have the
baby.

1891
01:58:52,900 --> 01:58:55,700
And he knew, he probably saw the
wound and she was dying.

1892
01:58:55,700 --> 01:59:00,800
Yeah, you know, yeah.
And there's a backstory to him

1893
01:59:00,800 --> 01:59:04,800
and his wife having tried to
have children and failed.

1894
01:59:04,900 --> 01:59:08,900
Okay.
So, you know, to him, this was

1895
01:59:08,900 --> 01:59:12,500
like his chance of having a
child if he could save this

1896
01:59:12,500 --> 01:59:13,600
child.
Okay?

1897
01:59:13,800 --> 01:59:18,500
So was, was his wife, did she
helped raise ran?

1898
01:59:18,500 --> 01:59:20,700
Because I don't think they ever
made that clear, you know, when

1899
01:59:20,700 --> 01:59:23,600
they were lighting the lantern
for Or her, they never made it

1900
01:59:23,600 --> 01:59:26,200
clear like when she died.
So I didn't know if it was one

1901
01:59:26,200 --> 01:59:29,600
of those things where she died,
you know, the store where she

1902
01:59:29,600 --> 01:59:32,200
died and birth.
I couldn't remember if they ever

1903
01:59:32,200 --> 01:59:36,300
had any dialogue about him and
she helped raise.

1904
01:59:36,400 --> 01:59:38,300
Okay, here to a point.
Okay.

1905
01:59:38,500 --> 01:59:40,200
Okay.
I can't remember if there was

1906
01:59:40,200 --> 01:59:43,700
some dialogue about that in the
first episode, there might have

1907
01:59:43,700 --> 01:59:46,300
been, but I just don't remember
so, okay.

1908
01:59:46,800 --> 01:59:51,900
Okay, all right.
Well, yeah, and plus he moved to

1909
01:59:51,900 --> 01:59:54,500
the Rivers, which was not where
he was from.

1910
01:59:54,600 --> 01:59:56,400
Okay?
Okay.

1911
01:59:57,000 --> 02:00:02,800
So, all right, well, I guess is
we don't have Mike here to give

1912
02:00:02,800 --> 02:00:05,800
us a punny one-liner to exit out
the show.

1913
02:00:05,800 --> 02:00:09,500
We'll just do without one.
So that's it for our show.

1914
02:00:09,700 --> 02:00:13,900
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02:00:13,900 --> 02:00:16,300
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1916
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1921
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