House of the Dragon S1E9 - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #195

0:25 What's up hybrids? Welcome back to another episode of The Phantom hybrid podcast. This is hanako and I'm here with Anthony and we are discussing House of the Dragon episode 9, and we've had a little time to sit and marinate on this. We've been doing some things going to Walking Dead conventions and, you know, going on cruises, or at least I have. So we've been kind of struggling to get everybody schedule on Steam. But we are here now. We are talking about episode 9 Oh, the king is dead. and, Babe, he was already decomposing man's case.

1:09 We did nap, okay? So I kind of want to go order, but I kind of don't, but I think we're going to go in order because I have the first thing I want to say. So the episode starts out, we see different. You know, images of the castle is very quiet. It's nighttime. I'm guessing. This is like maybe within the same space of time that viserys is died. You see? A little boy, coming out of, I'm guessing his quarters, and the little boy walks through the castle, all the way to the kitchens where he finds Talia and whispered something in her ear, which obviously is the king is dead. Because she says, you know, she kind of looks at him and then the next shot that we get is of Allison in the bed.

1:54 Crying, like your, are you sure? So, I have an issue started from the very first of the episodes, where the hell are all the guards? Guards, it's the middle of the night. This is the freaking King of the Seven Kingdoms. There are no guards outside his door. There are no guards in the corridors, there's no guards anywhere. The little boy, who's walking through the castle passes by one made. That's it, where the hell are all the cars if they had had proper security, On the king, the way they were supposed to - avoid it.

2:37 All this shit that happened in this episode because everybody would have known the King was dead. Somebody would have been able to get word to Rainier or before all this bullshit happened. Where were the guards? It could have been the shift change, like, you know, how it changes happen. There's usually someone there and then someone comes to relieve that person so that there is no break in coverage. There is not a soul in the castle say for this little boy whole, why the hell is he up at that time of night? Anyway, I think he's early early morning. And I think he was he's a servant at think he's supposed to go in there and help.

3:22 Help help get the seriously King up, why was there no posted at the door, why with the King be in the physical state that he is in and did that someone not there? Just in case he called out for help. In case something happened, he could have fallen out of the bed. He could have fought. Why was no one there to help him? I have so many issues with this that coming you're full of shit. They could have avoided this whole war that we know is about to happen. It's quite possible that The way, the state of things currently in the castle.

4:07 Dealing with the height. H is quite possible that they didn't care. They might not have care, but there are other people in that castle who would have cared. There are other people in the castle who would have said something. I mean, through whistling would have made sure. That bill has coverage press egg. I had someone who was supposed to, you know, guard him, the queen has sir, Kristen So why not the king? Why is the king that's utterly alone like completely alone? I just, I have major problems with it. I and I realize it doesn't matter now because he's dead, but I think it's possible that be just the director and the every year and all that they probably we're trying to set a mood and the tone and they didn't think about people thinking about doing regards.

5:07 You got me. I don't think they thought crossed their mind. Other than that, the only reason I could think of is it was intentional, but I doubt that because like you said, there are too many people with the vested interest in him as king, who would just be like, oh whatever. Especially the whistling. Hmm. Yeah. Okay, Commander, he know, this would be unacceptable, right? I mean they had guards outside of Princess rhaenys his rooms Yeah, yeah. So why not the king? The king of the fucking kingdoms? I think they were just trying to say to move into town and just didn't, they didn't think about it. Are we going to have to do a separate episode about the things that they don't think about in the show? Not just this show, but Game of Thrones in general when it comes to things on screen knows, he might be sometimes rush through some of the stuff they're trying to do like maybe they'd be be pressed for time and they just trying to get get get it done because it costs so much.

6:12 This this production costs a lot and loves money and I understand that, but I guess if you put in so much time and money into the show, Do it right? That's why we have Starbucks coffee cups, laying around again, water bottle, a soul about things that they do wrong. But okay, we're going to move on, and I just let me, I just wanted to make sure that everybody understood. I was very, very bothered by this. How is it that the King has no security? Anyway, so yes, Alison finds out that the king is dead. She goes to speak with her father while Talia starts lighting candles in the windows, I was like hmmm. I've seen that before mmm-hmm when salsa was trying to let you know Bram.

7:06 Uh-huh. Yeah she was trying to let brand know that. Hey, I need some help. Anyway. So Alison goes to her father and he asked her, who knows? And she names off, you know, Talia few of the servants. And then she drops the big bombshell. I saw him last night just before he died, and he confessed to me that he wanted egg on to be king. Even Otto was looking at her like What what? And it was just the thing that made me think about it. This whole episode. Yes, she keeps telling people that this is what the Sarah's told her Otto look to her to the point where she was, like it's the truth Laura bees burry was like I have known this man longer than any of y'all in here and you cannot tell me that he's going to confess this on his Deathbed.

8:03 It to one person without a witness. Egg on in the episode is like he didn't want me to be king, he had to like me. Here's tonight. Me are. And he steadfastly how to, right near his claim. He didn't even like me, you like me? What, why would he want me to be king? Everybody is sitting here doubting this except for probably the only other person who really knew him best Alison. Come on now. Who did you do not already have this conversation? Rely big demand has not changed his mind.

8:48 The 20 years, not once not once not even came close to it. Even like looking at what happened with the the drift, Mark secession thing. He was in, he was like, why are we even here? I don't need to repeat myself. This is the same situation, like I didn't change. As my mind, like, I would have simply. No. He's the king. He doesn't have to reiterate the point, right? Made the decision, to decision stands, Period. And I may I want to I want to give her a little the benefit of the doubt because I see what they're doing with her character in the show. Especially last couple of episodes, they are playing her a little bit on the sympathetic side. You know what we've read in?

9:35 The books has basically been like she was just this person who was just so dead set on her son, becoming King by any and all means necessary. And we see that in this, you know, in this episode That's not necessarily the case. She's doing it because she thinks this is what her husband wanted but she has reservations about it especially when they go before the small Council and they let him, they let them know that he is dead. And immediately Jane is like, everybody took like 20 seconds to process it. Nobody's face changed. No. But there was like no reaction to his death, I guess, because they've been expecting it for some time.

10:17 I mean, if you Look at the way, the saris looked in the last episode. We kind of saw it coming, but the fact that they didn't even let it sit for 20 seconds and then Jason Lannisters, like also, we can go ahead and move forward with our plans. Yes. So there are two guards in the kingsguard that are still loyal today. Man. We will need to have them removed, Lord Lannister. Oh yeah. The the treasury will be split and everything and and Allison is say you're looking at them because at first, when I Otto is telling them about the King's death. She's not looking at them. And if you notice, she's picking at her fingers again. She's sitting there nervous and when they start talking about it and going on with the conversation like there's no break in the conversation, she is looking up it.

11:05 She is looking around light hot outside. So you guys already had a plan to install my son and didn't tell me and it was that whole plausible deniability. Well we didn't think we needed to burden you with the details and she sitting there listening to them, do all of this stuff and say all of this stuff about what they're going to do to take this throne. And she's the one who asked what about renier and they're like, oh, she can't remain free. She's going to have to be locked up and then Auto, you know, he kind of suggests that. Yeah, if she remains free, she's going to end up calling banners to her, and then there will be war and then they start talking about, oh, well, yeah.

11:56 She needs to die or at least Allison says. So you mean to kill her? And they're like well you know that probably would be the best solution and this upsets her. Yes. And the Meister, they're trying to tell her, this is the best solution. She was like, you are not going to sit here and try to tell me that the series would have wanted this for her daughter for his daughter. He loved her. You will not deny that she was like, this is not what he would have wanted. Yeah. But he also he off, and he wouldn't have changed his mind in that way, knowing that it would put her In Harm's Way. Like, no. He, he would have anticipated that if you were to be thinking about changing my which, We know he wasn't and it is hilarious. Have they're like, yeah so we can go ahead and you know, they've already planned for the have a home. This is the thing, I truly believe that they have his plan in place regardless of whether he changed his mind or not. Wow, definitely see.

13:04 Dive, they re going to put their plan in place regardless, like you'd were new. Or it could have been there in the castle and they would have locked her door and put their plan in place. Because it was too because we're literally bathes just left. Like this is the same night. Thanks morning of the plan. So Damon in her and the kids, they left already, like, within hours. And for the adults were at least for Alison and rhaenyra left on. Good terms. Right? Left on. Good terms.

13:44 Like they were they were taking the first steps. To patch that bridge 220, I tell you. Please Barry. Let me give a shout out to my man, Lord bees Barry because he was not with the shit's 7 is 60 years old. I have no viserys more longer than any of y'all. Y'all can't tell me that he made this declaration just to the boy's mother with nobody else and then died afterwards. Oh, I was like oh you basically sitting there accusing somebody like I do How convenient that is that he would have said this to her and then died.

14:29 And then again, like I said no guards around nobody else around. No, Lord Confessor for the king, none of that. And so I can't think of what old boy's name is over on the for the Queen's left, he was like, so which one of us are you accused accusing of regicide? He was, I don't care if it was one of you, I don't care. If it was all of you will not stand for this. This is treason right there. Here, come on, it is treason. It is they don't know any, they don't know whether she tell the truth or not, the only and you can question her in their way because everyone's gonna question me the entire Kingdom would question it. Yeah, he said be all the Lords of like you said, maybe like these very, he said this and you were the only person Erie and he immediately died.

15:24 And you either way that they handle things throughout the rest of the episode like the Lords and Ladies that are already there, they bring them to the throne room and he's like, oh yeah, this is what the Sarah says. So you guys are not going to swear Your Allegiance to aegon and you notice some people bent the need, those are probably the people who were on the fence anyway and then you have some people who will like I'm not bending the knee, I'm not an oathbreaker. One guy was like, let me go talk this over with my house and he was like, you can't leave until you swear obeisance. Really, I just gonna Force this out of people man. This is in effect, a coup. Well, not really a coup is C, so you certainly representational.

16:09 Whatever is everything, patient supplication whatever, whatever it is, they are doing it and pour lower bees Barry. He is the only person in that room who is like, I'm not with this. The Here Comes sir. Kristin, Cole's old murdering ass again. I do not understand how he still is a white cloak, how he still has his position. He goes he grabs the Lord bees, buried by the shoulders and he pushes him down and says sit down and he pushes him so hard, his face hits the table and of course you know they have those little balls balls in the tables when they hold the meetings slams it right into his Temple and Lord bees burry is immediately dead.

16:58 Hmm you got witnesses now. Because sir Harold is there. Otto hightower's there. The master is there? Jason Lannisters there? Oh, I can't, I don't know who this other guy is, but they're all sitting there looking at this and Alison is just like Lord like. And in the thing, is everyone on it. Anyone on the outside looking in you black, okay? You tell me the small Council walk them in the has a meeting decided that ain't gonna be king. And these berries dead That sounds suspiciously like the whole situation doesn't sound right well, see, we don't know how they handle it. It in the show because in the book criston Cole actually beheaded Lord, beats the well, okay, he's okay. One account.

17:49 Is that these very was beheaded the other account is that he was thrown or quote unquote. Jumped from a window onto the ground below. I think one of the accounts So apparently they kind of kept it from people for like, maybe a week because in the book, no one knew viserys was made it make public that viserys was there for almost like they like they like the door? Yes. Like literally his body's his body started to smell. Hmm. And that's why they had to lock up so many of the service because people started questioning because you got the smell of death, on the air, who is the person in the castle that look close to death.

18:32 Vicky. So yeah Lord beans Barry he's dead sir Harold challenges circumstance or Kristen is about to challenge him back. I'm like why is this do not dead yet? I mean I under I know why, because he's the hightower's Lackey but he there's no way he should be wearing a white cloak right now. But anyway, so I do tell sir Harold that he needs to take his white clothes. He needs to go to Dragonstone and he needs to complete the job efficiently and quickly.

19:13 Discreetly basically say, you need to go and Slaughter rhaenyra and Her family. However, it gets done. You need to go do this and you need to go do this now. Sir Harold looks to him. He takes that cloak off. He was like, I'm the Lord commander of the kingsguard. That's the only Authority I recognize and until we have a king, I don't have a place here, he walks out the door and I was like I was looking because I thought sir Kristen was going to do something to him. I was like if you touch my man, we're going to fight. I know that in the book at this point, so he'll has been dead for like 20 years.

19:57 Yeah. So I'm going to say he's probably on par with, or better than theirs too. So tell me which would mean that I don't like Kristen's chances against him in the one either. I don't need them but at that point, I think I really will, I really would want Kristen. Please try to squeeze in a fair fight in a fair fight. Oh yeah, he has absolutely no chance. I mean he is the commander of the kingsguard for a reason. Yeah. But I wouldn't put it past like the honor and the honor and dignity. He walked out if he's like know when that we're not doing this right. But that's all I'm saying.

20:42 So Kristen I wouldn't put it past him to do a sneak attack to attack them from behind that sort of thing. So I wouldn't be surprised. But yeah. So sir Harold quits the kingsguard And the the new Whose name I can't remember. I forgot he said something because Alison is still trying to wrap her brain around the fact that they're planning to kill rhaenyra and she said something to him and he said something back and she was like, you open your mouth again. I'm going to send you to the wolves like I was she done shit. I had about enough of him but at the time I think she's also I feel like she's trying to find a way out of this because again she knows that's not what the Sarah's would have wanted. And that definitely would cause some kind of War, because even if even, if rhaenyra is killed, there are going to people who be people who backed her, who may be like oh y'all stole his throat and y'all killed.

21:51 Okay, yeah, let's let's kind of see if we can write this wrong. but, At some point she realizes there really isn't much. You can do because now she don't even, she doesn't even technically have the power to do anything now. Even the different in the different universe. Alison would have seen the series his death as a way out of the prison she's been in and rainy says is much when she goes to get we will get to that but I'm saying she could have taken and been like, take your kids, take your grandchildren, go back to Old Town and be like we're gonna get a country estate and renewal can have the the Roan and y'all can have all this stuff and we're just gonna be over here, chilling in the reach. The only way she would have been able to do that is if her father had proceeded, viserys and death, because there is no way, Otto Hightower Is going to let that happen, especially when he heard his daughter out to the king in the first place. Just, for this particular reason, give him some Sons. So the sun will be the king and we will Elevate ourselves higher than, you know, to I mean, cuz

23:21 yeah, yeah. But we see later she, she, she does get, she does show a little his spot. She did, she did show a little, a little metal, and a little steel. When it comes to him later. Yeah. Because he/she really sticking to her guns, about the ruin everything. She does not want Manera que period, so she's taking their guns on that. Right? But also, I think that little conversation she had with Ray nice, kind of put that in her too. Because she, she sitting here trying to be like, yeah, we, you know, we will never rule. But we can gently guide to men who do Andrei. Nice is like you just trying to do all of this so that you can kind of get a peek out of your prison window and see what's going on.

24:06 She was like, you were still be holding to your husband, to your father, to your son and then we see also in this episode to lure lares. She is She is surrounded by men who do not have her best interests at heart. They're all greedy. They all want what they want, which is a gun on the king so they can all be elevated and everything. And she just wants a peaceful. I mean, she was viserys his wife just say, I mean, what was it? That I do called him viserys the peaceful. Yeah, it does not want any of this. She even says, is much later on. She was like, when she talks to Randy's, she said something about.

24:47 We we need to God. Man towards peace. Yeah. Aaron their release is trying to tell you being exploited by all the major surrounded by. They're always spoiling you. Yeah, and I don't know why, but it feels like Allison. Never. Why won't say she never realized it? I think maybe she realized it but she ignored it because what could she do? She's not, she's not in a position to where she can fight for her independence, where she can fight and say, look, I don't want any of this stuff going on because again, look who her father is her father has pretty much controlled her. You know, used her as a puppet to maneuver and do all of this stuff, she can't do what Lord lane or did, and just, like, faked her death, and go off.

25:43 She's got three kids. Who are very obviously, targaryens. Where could she go? I think, I think we're nice would tell her you. You probably have more power than you thought you did. She could have if you could have, do you had a lot more power than you thought you did? Yet you let the men do because she was in this situation at such a young age. Like it wasn't like she lived a life or, you know, even like Emma who preceded, her, who probably ruled with more Authority or have more leeway, or more Sway With the serious?

26:25 Yeah, I mean, so it wasn't something that she, she knew that she could do. But that's just her not knowing how to play the game. I think the other part of it too, is that if you're constantly being looked at and being treated as the spare, in that sense, you know, even up until his dying breath, viserys loved Emma. You know, I think he cared about Alison, but as far as loved her, I don't know if he ever did, you know? I think he was grateful to her because Is she comforted him through the death of his wife and she was a great.

27:07 She was a good companion to him. She was a good wife to him. I mean, rhaenyra even said as much, but I don't think he loved her in that sense. And because of that, I think it was just more so, okay? I'm just going to do my duty and that's it. You know, I mean, he even called her Emma's name, at one point during Lane has a funeral. Yeah. So I think for her, maybe it was just okay, you know what, let me do, what I'm supposed to do it. She never thought about looking forward because as far as she was concerned, he wanted right there on the throne and that was what he said and that was what was going to be.

27:49 And I think she was naive in thinking that once viserys past her father would honor those wishes. I mean we see they already had a plan and even when Jason said something he said, so am I to assume that we can now move forward with our long laid plans with the Kings blessing? Y'all were going to do it regardless? Mmm, they were angry that she had no clue. She had no clue. She met with the small Council every day. Every week and the King said had no clue that they were plotting behind her technically speaking.

28:30 That's treason if she really wanted to, she can have her dad's head on a pike. Hmm. If it were Cersei baby on pyke. Well, I don't know. Because Tywin, kind of ruled in a in a with an iron hand in that sense to upload Tool certain point up until Searcy also was like, oh yeah. So you think you're this. You think you're that? Oh let me tell you. Yeah. So this whole Lannister Legacy that you think you have? Yeah. No, it's not good. Also, let me tell you. I'm also sleeping with my brother. How about that, you know, it took a while for her to get to that point and it was at the point.

29:14 I think, where he was also treating her like like chattel like, oh yeah. So yeah, the king is dead. I'm gonna marry you to this person who was a lot younger and you're going to Bear him kids first it was probably 40s. And you want her to marry this young do they have kids? Oddly enough a situation that Rainier was similarly in you marry her to a gay guy and you can expect them to have children together just so you can keep your place in the no starts. We wouldn't have had this and I think has she been putting this position? It would have been a totally different thing. I mean, she of course she probably would have been trying to put her children.

29:59 On the throne, but there was not a Ranier her for her in her time. Yeah, it wasn't so. Mmm. Anyway, unless you know the injury had been legitimized but that's another story. Yeah. Because because she had all the Masters killed the injury. Right? But of course, whoever hit him, they had him. Well, anyway, moving on. So here's the plan, we're going to usurp the throne. We're going to put egg on on the throne, make him King. We are going to go and try to kill rhaenyra and all her family, so that she can't contest it. They go to aegon's Rooms to look for him. He's not there.

30:53 They come to find hellena and she's in there with the kids. Now, I've started paying a little more attention to the stuff that Helena says, mmm because The things that she says, tend to come true and whatever weird way. And as she's a she's in there with her kids and they come in, she's telling the nanny, she says it is Our Fate. I think to Crave, always, what is given to another. If one possesses a thing, the other will take it away and the Nan is just like, yes, princess like, I have no idea what you're talking about, okay? But okay.

31:33 And then right after that, her mother and grandmother. Father walking the room looking for a guy and I'm like she always says the right thing at the right time. You know what I'm saying? Cause she's literally talking about The Throne right there. Hmm. I was like okay so what other nuggets of wisdom is she going to speak? I miss have a circle where anyway, we'll get to that in a minute. So, of course, they're looking for egg on and they're like, where is he shoes? Like not here. Like the most obvious answer, right? And I don't like, we went to his rooms and he's not there.

32:14 She's looking at him. Like didn't I just say he ain't here. Like why do I care where he is? And she realizes that something has happened. She asked her mother. What's happened to Alison sits next to her? And the first two words she says is your father and then Helena says there's a beast beneath the boards. Her mother is like she thinks this is just one of her ramblings and she tries to come for her. She was like there was a beast beneath the boys. I'm like hmm. Okay so what does she mean about that? Then Here Comes, amen. And amen. Amen is I will say this, in this episode, I was very intrigued with his character because he walks in and he immediately looks like, okay, he walks in, he knows what's happened, he can tell what's happened, and there's kind of like a mixture of sadness, and I won't say happy.

33:14 I won't say happiness, I don't think he was happy, that his father was dead, but it was like sadness. And also Nation, I guess because he's like, damn. Now, this means my brother is King. You know what I'm saying? Like he's dreading this and we see this throughout the episode because as he's talking about aegon and his his behavior, and the way he acts in the way he kind of shuns, he doesn't want to be king. And, you know, just the things that we see and learn about egg on, in this episode. It's clear that amen. Is kind of like, he should be the king. I should, I'm the one who studies.

33:56 I'm the one, who trains. I'm the one. Who does what a ruler should do. Or I behave in the way that that an air should. And I have the biggest dragon in the world, and I have the biggest dragon in the world. Of course, we can't forget that, but it's like, I feel like he was sad in the sense that his father was gone. You know, even though we never really saw viserys have much of a relationship with with them still that's your dad, you know. But I think he was probably more horrified because realizing that your mom is in the room that's probably a sign that.

34:39 Oh here we go with this bullshit. You off and try and steal. This throw y'all finna try to put him on the phone, really? And I felt like I could see the irritation in his face, just a little bit and it's like he pulls it off. Very nonchalantly. But I noticed he pays attention to a lot of things. and I was just like listening to him through the episode when he was talking to Sir Kristen Cole, he was like, Yeah, he could be dead. He can. Somebody could have kidnapped him. He could be somewhere else, but he's not where he's supposed to be right now. Now that I'm the air, if they come looking for me, you best believe, I'm gonna be found, he was like I should be the king. You know, and I just it's one of those things when the things this is, the egg on didn't even want it. Like, he doesn't even want it, he doesn't want it. He doesn't want.

35:39 It doesn't want it. And it got himself says that. I mean, he said it a couple of episodes ago when Alison went to go talk to him. He was like, why would American have it? I won't challenge it. And Allison was like, you are the challenge. And I want this, and I think that started from that moment when his mother came in there and said you, you would either be king or you will die, because she will kill you. Again, that's something that auto put on her right in there has never given that indication that, that is what she would do to her brother's. You know what I'm saying? And I think from that moment, hey guy was probably like five to do this thing. I don't want to do or else I'm gonna die. Like what the fuck kind of life is this? Yeah, let me go just do whatever the fuck I want to do because your finger you got a yellow until he becomes king, he can't do it.

36:34 No more, right? Because I let me do, let me go do whatever it is. I want to do because I'm not going to be able to do it and we see he is been doing quite a bit starting with the street of silk and then going towards more bike club. Well, if the it's like this Cockfighting. Yes, it's like Junior versus writing. You have kids in a ring where their teeth and their nails have been sharpened and they're fighting each other to the death. And this is the kind of thing that he I guess goes and looks at and partake fan. And and even his name is one of the twins is like you really want because the twins are looking for between kingsguard are looking for.

37:25 A guy and one of them is like you really want someone on the throne. This is where they get their suits and Google's that was Sir Eric. Yeah, you really want the person on the throne who who is into this perverted detestable type of crap, right? And not only that as Sir Eric points out he was like, yeah, this is the kind of thing that Prince aegon is into. And you know, also let me show you this over here and There's a little silver-haired boy up under the stands. And Eric is like, is that, is that his bastard Sir?

38:06 Eric is like, oh, yeah, one of one of many probably but I find it interesting. So we're going to get a little bit into book discussion right here. How far in the book are you as far as the story? I started the beginning. Okay, book. So I haven't gotten to any of this yet. But I do know in the book. He has he has Bachelors. Hmm. So the girl and a boy, right? At least two at least. Yeah at least two so I think this is one that is going to have a prominent role towards the end of the dance of dragons. I believe that maybe this child here. But I was sitting here thinking like technically speaking, he's sitting up under some boards to so that's what I was wondering. I was like, so is it is it the dragon like we found out later on?

39:10 You know, what happens or is it this child's? Like, it could be both, you know, how proud, you know, how prophecies and scenes work. That's true. And I mean, isn't she said twice? This is the same way as she says it, once at the beginning and then during the coronation, I believe she says it again. But yeah, so the child is the interesting thing. And then of course, while they're there in the pit but young lady comes up to them and she was like, Hey, I can take you guys to Prince egg on there looking at her. Like what do you mean? She was like oh yeah my master, you know, I know somebody who knows where he is, you might want to see what the White Worm has to say and she walks off, they follow her now. On the other hand, the twins are looking for Prince aegon for auto.

40:06 Hmm, Allison has sent sir, Kristen. In to look for him and a man has tagged along with him. Now this is the interesting thing about this. So when Alison walks up to Star Kristen to ask him to go find egg on, she says this thing where she was like, what did she say? I trust in your feelings for me as a princess or so or as a queen or something like that and I was like So is she using whatever? You know it's obvious. Her Kristen has An unnatural attachment to her and a simple natural.

40:50 I'm just saying he has killed ice for her already. Yeah. And you know, he can't have a family. He can't, he can't be with a woman and the one time he was with woman that just kind of broke his heart because he wanted her to run away with him and she refused. So I'm like okay. Is he harboring like the secret crush towards the queen now? Is she's calling it in like okay. Yeah, so I know how you feel about me as your queen. I was like nah, something's fishy about that. Wait, wait, you don't think for a second that he has already hit it? Because I'm almost certain. He has, I don't think he has I wouldn't be.

41:35 I'm not, I wouldn't be surprised. I would be surprised if you had like, they had your moment where come on now because it's because he is such a prude think about it. He is such a prude and he is so he has this warped sense of honor and responsibility. Like he's a white cloak, he's not supposed to lay with the woman. He's supposed to be celibate. He's not supposed to have Surely, he's not supposed to have a family, he broke that once for rhaenyra and look what it got him. So I think he would be like oh no, I'm not falling for that trap again. I'm not going to be somebody's boy. Toy just for them to treat. I don't think he would be down for that. I mean I would think so I would think that maybe his value system has become corrupted and it's not not not a nap, not in that sense.

42:30 I don't think I don't think so that's One of the reasons why he's so fucking uptight here. There are none. Come on now. Hey, wouldn't it be that uptight if he know he is sexually repressed? I do truly believe that he may be alive with her, but I think he is truly truly sexually. Repressed, he wouldn't have hesitated to go and kill Romero. No, no, absolutely not. That's probably why she did not task him with going to rent. It, know you, hey, yes! Go find my son. He might be in some disreputable parts of the Town. Go find him. Yeah. So sir, Kristen and Eamonn, they go.

43:12 And like I said, they go to the street of silk now. I got a little bit confused on the conversation that a minute sir Kristen was having. So when they get ready to go towards one of the brothels Amos says, Hey, God brought me to the street of silk for my 13th birthday. I think to make sure that I was as educated as he was, or at least, that's what I gathered. And star Kristen is like, how do you mean a man says? He said, it's time to get it wet, so I was like, so does that mean? Mean, that aegon took him, but he didn't do anything. Like I kind of got that Vibe. Like maybe he was like, I'm not going to do this because it's doing this makes me like that.

43:59 I'd rather not No, I took it to mean that a guy took him in, they're going to take him to him so he can lose his virginity and he did see I I read that a different way like he yes, that was the purpose for him, taking him but when he said or you know he brought me to the street of silk when I was 13 so that I could be as educated it as him or so I'm or so that's what I thought or that's what. I assumed he meant or something. I don't know. Just something about the way he said, it made me feel like, yeah, this is what he tried to do. Yeah, yeah.

44:43 But then then the mathematics him like, oh, she was familiar with him like, oh, you're back. You know me? Like, I mean if he brought if he brought him there, yeah, she would know who he is, but that doesn't necessarily mean that he did anything. And you know, she just looked at him. She was like, Um my haven't you grown up and he just went huh and then walked off something tells me that didn't go the way the egg on wanted it to go because I feel like even would have he could do. I feel like a man would have looked at that because if you look at how out of control egg on is especially if you sing how depraved his mind is, he goes to chill.

45:25 You know, these fights with children and he's been apparently horn All Around flea bottom and leaving back. Bastards everywhere and he's a drunk. And just I mean even his appearance, the way we see him, you can tell he doesn't have it quite altogether. I feel like a man would have looked at that and be like, okay, this is what he's doing to be like this, I'm not touching it. Well, you can still have done it and still have me there value decision like he can like, you know. Yeah, I did it. And, you know, it this is not for me. Okay. This would I take you to me? Yeah, because I saw shame in his look when she says something him. Yeah.

46:08 It was like looking for him. Oh yeah. Like, I remember what happened in though? Yeah. No. I don't mean like, Oh yeah, he walked away from there because maybe he walked away Vin but he did something. He just realized that this was not for him. Okay? I just thought it was very well. I also find it very well, weird that a man is supposed to be 16. He does not look like 16 year old know and I'm telling you I think it has a lot to do with the dragon. Yeah I was going to say that to be good and I think also to maybe just his His mindset and his maturity, you know, he, he seems. So I don't want to say hi strong, but he seems so overly in control of himself, whereas, his brother is the complete opposite.

47:01 And I think that ages him a little bit, you know, or at least that's what the appearance is supposed to be, he's more mature, he's more stable than his brother and as we can tell, he's a lot more intelligent than his brother. So I think he's Opposed to have that more mature look but I was like, yeah, laughing tell me this dude is 16 like no. Anyway, everybody's old is Damon. Sometimes will be damaged child almost. But yeah. So anyway, sir Kristin and Damian are looking for a gone and so are certain areas there Eric and basically what happens is the twins, they End up going to Auto and bringing him to me with the white worm because of course. But she said something like oh we got the prince. That's something that they are going to pay attention to and then when they sit down Auto is like, how do I know you're not telling, you know, you're telling the truth and she says, to him my condolences on the passing of your king Auto was like pay her.

48:10 I don't know how she knows this but she knows pay her and then she starts talking to him giving her demands as far as what she wants. For the role that she's about to play and handing over the prince to him. And basically she just wants She's like, look, I want these children fight rings to stop. I want the children to stop being mistreated in flea bottom. You know, she was like children. I treat it like beasts and your gold cloaks look the other way. They pay no attention, or your white clothes date, they pay no attention. They let this Behavior happen and I wanted to stop and I was like, yeah, I'll look into it. I was like You Really Gonna book you really believe he's going to do that but she gets in the information he wants, but I Let me say this and you see my dog on Scream name her accent, bothers the hell out of me? Because I don't know something about it. It's like when I hear her talk because it's like, she talks with this weird accent and then sometimes she says, words with kind of like a soft lisp and then sometimes she doesn't and then her accent chair.

49:24 It's Like running your fingernails over a chalkboard for me. He's not consistent. No and it's just it's horribly done. Like what? Like what are you? This is she supposed to be like I don't know any of her history basic suppose we from volantis, she's from lease. Nice Lise. Lise. Okay, you know like two years of leaf. Yeah, yeah, she's from lease. So I I mean I don't know what they're asking is but oh my gosh, she is, it's terrible.

50:05 It's irritable. Trying to listen to her go through this dialogue where she's like, she's supposed to be this, a luring mysterious and I guess it's supposed to come off as sexy in a way because of the type of work that she does now like she was she used to be Damon's whore and then she kind of Rose in the ranks and now she He owns several of the brothels and as we mentioned a couple of episodes ago, she is now she is the current times Mistress of Whispers so she has some power. But just, I don't know her. She just kind of irritates me at this point. Then anyway, she's out somewhere to find egg on. Aegon is hiding in the steps.

50:51 Not only is he hiding in the center, he's like up under What is that Center piece? Cause like, it's almost like a halter. Yeah, it's the same little altar that rhaenyra and Alison, we're praying in front of when Rainier is mother passed, but he's literally hiding in there and when they pull them out, no, no. When they are trying to pull him out because he doesn't want to be pulled over in the pulling them out and then he ends up running trying to get away and it's so Funny at this point because Sir Eric, you know, Eric with the a he is their fight. Not not fighting him, but he's like holding him down. He was like you run from what most men would would want. You know, he's sitting there trying to get control of him and trying to hold him and he's like yeah, the Laura had the Lord hand your grandfather wants to see you and blah blah blah. And Sir, Eric is just looking off to the side. Like, I want no part of this.

52:00 None. And literally, from that point on, you start to see that little divide between the brothers because, Sir, Eric goes outside, he has a gun, and we walked outside. You see. Amen. And you see, sir Crispin Cole. So, of course, the criston, Cole has his sword out. He's like, yo, we don't take them now. His grandfather wants him. Or his mother wants him. We're going to take them. They get into a sword fight and God takes off a man takes off fast. After his brother tackles him and they get into a tussle. So Eric is up on the balcony. Just looking like, yeah, I'm not really Benny and I in it and they found them.

52:45 Yeah. Carla says, so your brother's not gonna help you, Eric is just sitting and looking at everything. Hey guys. Dan is screaming to everyone in the streets, basically, because you screaming at your brother, everybody can hear you. I have no wish to rule, I'm not fit for it. A nose, like you won't get an argument from me there. And then he says, is it true that our fathers dead at a man? Says yes. And they're going to Crown you King and there he spits on his brother, Mike What? I don't know. This dude. Clearly doesn't want to be king. He even tells a me, he was like, look, let me just get on the boat.

53:28 I would go far away from here. You will never see me again. And you can tell a man is looking like, yeah, so bad idea that work, but of course, Kristin Cola has to come up in and ruin everything else. Yeah, let's take you to your mother. I was like a man is sitting there looking like, fuck. I almost had it was right there but that let me tell you a gun. And I guess the thing that's really confusing for me. Well, I won't say confusing for me because we see so little of him and we have in, you know, the the previous episodes. So aside from that conversation Allison had with him. We really have no reason why he is the way he is except for the fact that well, no, because he's not even, he's not even full Targaryen He's Targaryen and Hightower. So it can't be that whole inbreeding messing with your mind thing because he's have Targaryen. I think it was just a lack of nurturing that and and I don't know.

54:43 Because he really there's something wrong bit, but there's something, like, even Helena has something off with her too. So if this not necessarily, you don't necessarily have to be, you know, Inbred to manifest in manifest, some mental health issues and it's the see it would just make you more, likely be it increases the probability that two of the three kids, you know, because he has I guess I'm looking at Helena, like, I'm looking at her Lena. I feel like she's more of a seer. And not necessarily that anything is wrong with her. I know in the in the books, I think they call it, she has Dragon dreams and basically dreams that are kind of Prophecy in a way.

55:37 So, but we, but we can kind of love all that stuff into the same. Vicinity like it comes up because of XYZ. Right, you know. And there's, I don't know, there's a lot of strange stuff that happens in the Targaryen family tree. This is true. So this is true. But I mean the fact that he is so at he is so adamant that he doesn't want to hit to the point where I almost feel like the stuff that he does. You know, the the alcoholism, the going around siren bastarz, raping the, the first Nanny that they have. I feel in a way, like all of this Behavior stuff that he is doing on purpose, so that they will say he is unfit to be king and passed over him.

56:34 I almost feel like that's what it is and it's to the point now where he's panicking because he's like, I've done all this stupid shit, y'all still want me to keep became? What the fuck is wrong with y'all? Yeah, but when he already ate two before, it was a possibility. and he's mine, like he was jacking off out of the window, consider that odd because best I mean, granted maybe not, I'm not standing on the window ledge but I mean, okay, this part always do, I think that the thing about him being the we we teenage boy is not going to stand outside of know, that's why I said, I said I'm not talking about the standing on the window part but you Not going to sit here and tell me the teenage boys on jack off.

57:23 That is not have no, it's not, it's not what else? I wasn't saying that was something that is a mental thing. Like, oh, he's kind of off because he's doing that. He literally could have been just feeling like I'm the Prince, I can do what I want. People who are in power, they do stupid things sometimes just because they can, he, that could, In him, I won't say that, that was something that was like, oh yeah, he's a bit touched in the head. No, he felt like jacking off and he was probably just like fuck these people anyway. Um, I mean it can happen, we really like we could spend an hour on this so we are not we ask but there is a sliding scale. Yeah, this type of stuff.

58:16 So he his sister may be up here, you know? No, the Mad King may be way up here, he might be down here somewhere. This is that, you know, a naming is almost psychopath so they are all on the scale of that. So, see you say he's almost a psychopath right now, and I'll be honest up to this point. We really haven't seen any behavior that would really put in that direction. He hasn't acted irrationally in anything. He's mouth off a couple of times we've seen that, he has become a great fighter or at least he trains very well.

59:03 But we know that was a result of him being bullied. That doesn't necessarily mean he is a psychopath. He's just, I didn't say he was a psychopath. Well, you said he's showing signs of it or close and I don't think that's the case. Well, actually it's not necessarily so We'll have more verse is sociopath that with the sweat. Again, what have we seen? That would make you go towards that difference to other people's feelings that and that slight bit of narcissism, typical of a sociopath and their people who are famous, who are popular, who are sociopaths is that necessarily a bad thing? It's just this how he operates the I'm not there's not anything inherently wrong about being a sociopath Some of our presidents and a lot of CEOs, a lot of important people are sociopaths.

59:56 It's just, there's a sort of indifference to your actions affecting other people's feelings and I caring about the result of those things. But again, like don't feel bad about to bash in your nephews head because you're upset about, you know, some stuff that might be indication of a little bit of impulse control problems. Okay? We gotta talk about this because again even with even with the thing about him getting ready to bash can just sit Jason's head head, they jumped him basically, so he was defending himself, I don't, look at that. That's not I don't think that was him being out of control in that since he was a child first and foremost and yes, he went and claims his dragon that he was Bragging about it or whatever.

1:00:52 I don't think he, I don't think his character is that of, oh, I'm going to say something or do something to people and I don't care how they feel about it. He very much cares, how they feel about it, and he's doing it as almost like a defense mechanism, because this is a child who was bullied. This is a child who felt less than because he claimed the dragon later than his siblings did. Even, I mean, even his younger sister had a dragon and he didn't at the time. You know what I'm saying? This is a person who felt unloved, as we see, probably all of the saracens other children do.

1:01:33 He felt unloved? He was bullied. And then during this moment of, hey, this is what I did. He gets into a fight with, not just one, but four of his cousins or four of his family members, they jump him, he had to defend himself, And from that point on, especially with him losing II, he was probably like no, I'm never going to put myself in that position again. I'm never going to let myself be in that position again. I don't look at that as something bordering on, you know, or having any indication of him having any mental health issues. This is a person who is defensive because of the world in the way that he has been brought up in and He's just like, okay, I'm going to try really hard, I'm going to study real hard. I'm going to make sure that no one could say anything negative about me and he does yes he does have an air superiority about him but it's because I feel like he knows he's better than the rest of them and that's just how he, you know, that's how he feels just like he's overcompensating for the lack of from his brother but I don't think I don't think there's anything.

1:02:50 A thing pointing to sociopaths Psychopaths anything with him. Now I would say it maybe more so for book him, but that's only because I know where the story is going. But right here in this moment, if we're just going by the show, he has an exhibited, any kind of behavior that I will, I will say that. A lot of the things that you you use to defend him. Uh-huh, are a lot of of markers that would indicate pray. A person who would be on the path to being a sociopath like all those things add up to a person being in the position to at least indicate that they could be a sociopath as an adult.

1:03:38 So you know I mean we like I see we can go back and forth about this and you know the harder you the more you defend him and the things that he does Does. And the actions that he takes and the things that motivate him are the things that would indicate a person who would be on the way to being a sociopath. And I'm not saying that that is a bad thing because people can be functioning sociopath it's not necessarily Mill to help his mental health. Like, he could be perfectly fine and be a sociopath. There's a lot of people who are perfectly fine and the sociopaths don't go around murdering people. And we haven't seen him just outright murder some way. No, we haven't seen him do that.

1:04:26 Mmm. They realized sociopaths who don't murder people, I'm just saying that there's there. Things that add up in a person's personality that either through how they were raised or their genetics would lead him to be a certain way. That may not be where a normal person, under those same circumstances would be. Yeah, I mean, so yeah, it may not be a sociopath but then I can be gone. Me that he could be a sociopath. You can go either way, I guess. I just because he's easy to use Easy to want to defend him when you hear mental health in, I don't want people to think that I'm seeing that that was a bad thing because he could be a sociopath me five.

1:05:17 That's the same thing with Damon. Damon had some issues and he's perfectly fine. No, I mean it is not perfectly so we can't even have a whole other conversation perfectly fine. We have a whole The conversation about that because he has some narcissism in him too. But yes, my he also murdered and done so gleefully. So that there is a difference in their lives, but he always, but the thing is, he always has a purpose. His murders are not random and and excessive he actually has a he has objective in his murdering if you can see by the murder. Yeah, well it depends on depends on your perspective like his Is murder of vaiman was justified. Like he was clearly given permission by the king to do such a thing.

1:06:10 The king wanted to add his head. There is a told me, you can't live with, you can still live with your tongue cut out. You cannot live with the upper half of your head. Cut off. There is a difference. Okay, well I mean we could go art was it? Not treason and what is the punishment for treason? Okay. Okay, right. But again, that's something that the king should have, but yeah we could go back and for I guess, I guess the thing for me is especially in our society, we hear the words like social passing. They're always and they always say - life and negative connotation and like I'm here to say that isn't okay. Yeah because that's what that's what I was going to say. Because like, even up until now Even with the fight in the last episode, hey, basically mild off because they were making fun of him, or at least Luke was, he was making fun of him with the, with the whole pig thing.

1:07:07 Again, going back to that bullying, when he was a child. So that's that's the only thing like, I know. Some people are like, okay, yeah, he's this and other and I'm like, up until this point in the show, we have not seen anything that will make me. Look at aim and be like, yeah, you know what that dude needs to go down because everything And I feel like everything that he has done has not, it's not been too, he's not really hurt anybody, you know what I'm saying? Even when he was fighting with the other little kids, yeah, he could have hurt Jason. That's why I was very much say I was like he was about to bash his head in. So yes, I understand Luke defending them and unfortunately it cost him his eye, but in that situation, both sides of the, you know, fight were wrong. I just bury the the thing is we do forget that he's still a teenager.

1:08:02 It's right to be 6 a.m. most adolescents and teenagers are going to. If you give them a test assessment, they're going to assess narcissist and sociopath because that's just what hormones do to you. That you know you don't know how the World functions in a normal way yet because you haven't lived yet, right? So, a lot of the things you do is going to be about you and your feelings and not really caring about how other people feel hollow thing is. Yeah, he made score on that scale to because he he doesn't, he doesn't seem to be as sensitive about other people's feelings, as he is about his own feelings. Okay, I was busy against Ponce his response to their, a lot of ways you can do with bullying and there's a lot of ways you are clearly a superior individual over your nephews. Hmm.

1:09:10 Clearly, you know, this, everybody knows this, right? So there was really no reason to insult them. Okay? So yeah, Luke laughed when the P came out. Mmm. Wait, can look through T. Right. Absolutely nothing at that point. Luke was in the line of succession and he was well at that moment, but he's not thinking about the lines decision, he's thinking about him, laughing at him and reliving that moment. He was being bullied even though at this moment, he could take Luke's face and plaster all over the room and the only person who can stop him.

1:09:51 It either be Christian coal or Damon, those aren't some people in there that can stop him. So how was this boy? Laughing and giggling. Really because of the P because if he was reliving that moment. He's here too. You were offended. You were hurt and you decided to insult people knowing that your insult is a problem. You understand seeing you could have done a whole lot of other things, other than the one thing that could get anyone else murdered or killed for trees. So again, you're not thinking about the consequences of of how that affects everyone around you because you were offended. This all this all I'm saying is that necessarily a bad thing? It's just who he is.

1:10:45 Yeah and all those things that happened to him created him for what he is. Now the same reason, you know we'll talk about this later. What happens later what was that about? That's about your ego again being a narcissist and yes it happens. Oh well the consequences are going to be fucked up because you had to be the bigger person. Ian. Yeah, what we can do, you can't just let shit go. Yeah, now I got you, I got you. So we're gonna move on from him because I'm sure we're going to have plenty more to talk about him later on. But going back to going back to the castle. So we talked about Sir, Eric and Sir, Eric and them kind of starting to diverge in their, you know, in their thought processes.

1:11:36 And we mentioned earlier that princess rhaenyra It was being held captive in the room. And that's because what Auto does is everybody, who is in the castle, at that particular moment, they are locked into the castle Ray. Nice is confined to her room and all of the servants who are aware of the cerasus death. They are taken to the Dungeons and they are, you know, sat in there. Like I said, earlier the Lord's and the ladies of the prominent houses are brought to the throne room and basically told Okay. Hey, the series changed his mind right before he died. So now instead of bowing to, you know, pledging your loyalty to re nearer, we need you to do that for egg on.

1:12:19 And oh, by the way, if you don't do that for egg on, you can't leave this Castle. You will go sit in the dungeons as well. So you have a couple of people who are steadfast about. Okay, no, I pledge to Rainier and that's who I'm going to say stick with. And they get sent to the dungeons now. Lord Lord. Is it cars? Well, a cast. Well, Lord has worked as mother. He's looking very uneasy during all of this. But once he sees someone of the Lord's being taken to the dungeon or the lady of, I forgot what house she was in, is it fail? Yes, I think that was.

1:13:01 So she's taken to the dungeon because she refuses to change her loyalty and so at that point he decides to bend the knee like he's, you know, pledge fealty to hang on. And then later on in the episode we see him sitting on his horse at the gates and they're about to open the gates and then all of a sudden he is called, he's brought back before Otto and lore lares is telling him. Yeah, he was getting ready to leave the castle. I think he was going to work. I'm princess rhaenyra and he tries to play it off. He was like yeah he doesn't know what he's talking about. I had no love for renier and Otto was like well where were you going? So suddenly and he can't answer. So I do is like yeah. Lithium the king's Justice have them. And so when rhaenyra is still in her room, Sir, Eric comes to get Sir, Eric comes to get her and he was like come with me princess.

1:13:56 I cannot let this The span. So I was like, okay so he's clearly chosen a side. He's about to help rain rain East. I see it right near Great nice. He's about to help Randy to get out and they go out into the City and while they're passing through the courtyard in the castle, she sees, Lord Caswell, he's been hung. So it's kind to that point now where it's like, okay, yeah. So the high towers are basically saying you either serve aegon or you die. Why? So I was like, yeah, it is buy me some shit. This might be some shit. And they escape into the City and as they're trying to get out you know Ray nice wants to go back and get her Dragon. Yeah.

1:14:45 She's I can't leave them Elise. I can't believe my lease. I will not leave Middle East. And you know, Eric tells her you can't go to the dragon pit. That's they'll be expecting you there. What he fell to tell her was they will be expecting her there because that's where they're doing the fucking coronation for egg. On the Because you wanted to be in front of thousands, all of King's Landing, everybody needs to see him crown so that they know that he is the one true king and this coronation was so funny because you have them basically hurting all of the people into the dragon pit and everybody's sitting there and of course, I do highest high tower. He makes the announcement that the king is dead. You know, but he left.

1:15:37 Hold on, hold on. Wait, what? I realized. I was like, why are they doing this? Why are we rounding people up like cattle to give him? Are like, they're literally whipping people and trying to give and I realized they never announced that there was going to be a coordination. They never announce the King was dead. So people like, what are we doing? Like, they just rounding everybody up. They have no idea. No clue what the hell is going on, right? Because there's You be more popping circumstance, and getting prepared for a coronation. Everyone knows about the coordination, everyone's excited about the coordination. But, no, it's literally takes place less than 48 hours after viserys is death, right? That's the way it appears in the show. So you know, yeah, nobody knows that he's dead because I think also what's supposed to happen when the King dies, they're supposed to told the bills and they didn't do that. So nobody knows that the king is. They're all the people who do know that the king is dead are locked in the dungeon at the red keep right now. So nobody knows, nobody has denounced it and also I think they I wanted to make sure that everybody was in there so that once the word gets out, they can kind of control people instead of, you know, it, you know, people going out saying something.

1:17:05 Oh, no rhaenyra supposed to be the queen, or they're trying to make. They're trying to force the issue basically. Like oh yeah, this is going to be your king and then, you know, you know they're looking out in the crowd like okay. So who's not clapping, who's not there looking for that kind of thing. And it's so funny because even when they start announcing this stuff and when they say the king is dead, people are just kind of looking confused like huh and then they mentioned that egg on is going to be king. You have some people who like And then you hear a clap and then you start hearing everybody clapping in. Yeah, I'm like y'all. People are so fickle, so fear. But the thing is, the thing is like, with the aristocracy doesn't realize is that the peons for the most part, whoever is at the top, didn't change this situation, not at all, it doesn't really change their situation. They don't they really could care less, you know who bikini is?

1:18:02 They make fun of it. King or queen or whatever. But for the most part whoever's win the crown, it doesn't change that. I'm still in this shitty hell hole right down here, flea bottom, right? You didn't change anything. Right, so yeah, that's my two cents. I forgot where I saw that. I think I saw that in in maybe Monty Python and the Holy Grail because, you know, those guys that was faint. But I think there's He made with it. Like, it doesn't really matter who whose Kink right? It doesn't change what's happening here. Right? And then, honestly, this how people feel today in the politics, now some people didn't feel like, whoever's prison didn't change what's going on in their lives. And that's why a lot of people don't vote. Even though, you know, even though we see that, that is very much, not true, not true.

1:19:00 And I'm here to tell you, you better get out there and vote because It does matter because at the top very much and that's the only you may not feel that we mean that seem that way, but it does matter, it does. But anyway, before we, because I'm watching in the background, in this scene, just came up. So before we continue on with the coronation, we got to talk about this thing with Lord Laris and the Queen. So we we finally figured out what his deal is he subscribes to her only fan page for the food pig feet pictures.

1:19:40 And okay. Save that new only fancies. I really don't I just I just read about it so he is a bay to. So everybody has been making the jokes about the foot fetishes so I don't know if you have a foot fetish that's on you good great. I think the thing that kind of got me about the way it was presented in the show is that. So basically Lord Laris comes to the Queen's room and we've Already said something about the fact that he spends a lot of his time in the Queen's rooms even Auto mentions it. If even I don't say something about. It was like, yeah, you've been spending a lot of time with the queen as of late.

1:20:21 And, you know, Larry says, there's no reason that that can benefit you as well. And I was like, what is he talking about? I think he's idea, benefit and Idols idea benefit of two different things so different, so different. So he goes into the Queen's room and the queen, when she hears him She has this look like, she's like the hours late. Lord, Larry. So he was like, yeah, but I think you're gonna want to hear what I have to say. And she just has this look of defeat on her face and this again comes after this conversation. She has had with rainy's. So then again, you're looking at, oh, here's another man who is just using her to get what he wants.

1:21:02 So she says down And he was like, I think you may want to hear what I have to say, he looks at her pointedly, she says down, she takes off her shoes and she puts her feet up on the table. And at first, I was like, why is she doing that? And then I looked at the look on his face when he was talking to her. So, you know how they say, you know, how it is sometimes, when men are talking to women with big boobs, they sit there, looking the women are like, uh, scuse me, my face is up here, not down there. R. That that's how I felt this whole scene, this whole scene because he sitting there telling her about the White Worm.

1:21:42 He was like, you know, there are certain things that are in place, certain certain lines of communication that are in place throughout the city that, you know, kind of give information to people who shouldn't have information. And it's got my people who shouldn't have that information, you know, he starts talking about the spiders, within the walls and that sort of thing, and all the time. He's Look at all the time, he's talking he's just looking at her feet in this most interesting way and she's just sitting there so defeated. She was like, so you're trying to tell me some of these spiders are in the walls and he was like, well, And doesn't say anything she looks, she rolls her eyes and she takes the stockings are so now her bare feet are there and you can see him get a little more animated with his talking. He tells her.

1:22:29 Yeah, your handmaiden is one of these pies and she was like, oh Talia. Yeah. About a tada. So he's telling her all this information while he's looking at her feet and then he makes mention that he can get rid of this kind of, you know, a thing. That's what she wants and she was like, oh is this? I take it. This is your area of expertise and he was like if you want it if you say it, it's done. And she just looks at him. Now, this is after the conversation, she just had where she was fussing at her father about not, you know, not wanting to kill not being a weakness, you know, because he was like, yeah.

1:23:11 So yeah, we can kill Renee era and fix all this stuff. And she's like, look just because I don't want to do this. That doesn't mean I'm weak. So when he says that she just kind of looks to him, she turns around she pulls her dress up a little bit more so he see her. Wolfie her ankles, and she turns her head, and he reaches his hand up under his clothes, and he starts jacking off. And I was just like, I, it was just one of those things where it's like, after hearing what Ray nice just said to her about living. In this little prison, where she still Doing things at the whim of the men in her life. I felt so sorry for her right, right, man. Because I was like, yeah, I bet you at this moment, if she could leave and just go somewhere and just take her kids and just get the fuck off.

1:24:02 She probably wouldn't have at that point. Like, you have had to go so low as to be basically a foot prostitute for this man, because he is the person who you have been confiding in and he has done things in your name. To make sure things stay the way they are. And I was just like, so, so first, first of all, for the record. We do not have any issues with anyone and beer, Jinx. We found that, like I said, that already beer. We are fine with it. I was just a little surprised, you know, I was eating, I was just taking it back. I wasn't prepared for it but you know, it's cool. Only thing I want to know is how do you hold on? How did that first conversation go like, how did he first approached her?

1:24:56 Like, you know, that would be what's your you? I will tell you how probably you remember after he killed his father and his brother something about, oh I'm sure you'll think of some way to thank me. He probably brought that up and it's probably been going on. Just that long. Take your shoes off for me, right? And how it starts, I read a comment somewhere else that says, he probably has that foot fetish, because of his own defect, his disability, having the clubfoot. And you know, right before that saying started, when he was walking towards the couch, they made a point of pointing the camera at his clubfoot. So I think it has something to do with that. Like she I know and and I sort of have an issue with it because not all kinks are birth in a person's own issues, right? So I don't want to offend anyone but that was the one thing that about the situation that kind of bothered me like there's not always the case, and I wouldn't want people watching you to think that, oh, he likes to be, he likes to choke girls because he was choked when he was little. That's not really a true.

1:26:18 Yeah, they like to bite because they were bidden worth. No, that's not necessarily true. I understand why they did it at this. It was an interesting choice, right? Yeah, you can but it was is one of those things where I feel like I said, I feel like he started that probably way back then when he killed his father and his brother and even though it's on it's probably been what at this point. I think maybe 10 years but still if he's been doing that for that long.

1:26:58 I just, it's interesting. Transaction is an interesting transaction because I thought he was in there for for power, he's not. Yeah, he's just a name that power in that way different. It's a different kind of thing. Yeah, it's very manipulative and it's very controlling very misogynist. I mean, he's basically, he's, he has power over the queen in that way like the fact that whatever it It is is reduced her to adolescent fantasy. Yeah, you know. Yeah and this is the queen of the Seven Kingdoms. Yeah.

1:27:40 And the fact that whatever it is that he has done, Or whatever information he is giving her. She feels like she has to do it but there's like you just lost your husband. You just had to go through this drama, trying to find your son. You just had this big argument with your father about the right way, to install egg on his King. You don't want to deal with that, kind of drama that, right, then? And the fact that she felt like she couldn't tell him. No. You know, even though I have some information, you may want, okay. Can you tell me tomorrow when I'm not grieving my husband, can we not do this tonight? Yeah.

1:28:24 Why we have to do this right now, right? Like right. But enough respect for her to give her that kind of space to say, okay. You know what, I'm gonna leave her alone or he could, he could have easily just been like hey you might want to check your girl. He kind of giving her that advice for free, which of course, I know this is Game of Thrones in the kind of character hit that he is. He does nothing for free. That would be like, asking little finger to give information and not expect something in return. So I get that. And the fact that I just made that comparison and we've called him little finger at some point in the season, it it fits little fat. Yeah.

1:29:04 It fits though, because he's playing the same type of game. He's doing the same thing that Littlefinger did was sign sir taking advantage of someone who is in a position where they don't have other people around them. Like think about it, Alison really is all alone because and she sent this, even when they were younger, once she became between, she has no friends. She has no one around her. The one person who was closest to her, that she was trying to fix that relationship, that person is now going to be lost to her forever because of the things that hurt. Father, and his people are doing. Nobody has her best interest at heart. Nobody gives a fuck about Allison.

1:29:46 All they care about is putting egg on on the, on the throne, making him king. That's all they care about. They don't care about her. So the fact that she feels like this is her only Avenue of getting information, or of having some kind of companionship. I do feel for her, I do feel for her and it, and I'm kind of, I kind of like the fact that they put her in this position of vulnerability. Not necessary that in the whole look Lord, Larry sense, but I mean just the fact that we see that all of this stuff that's happening now is not what she wanted. This was not the route she wanted to take and you seen those glimpses throughout the whole season of her wanting to be like, okay?

1:30:40 But no, I support. Bernie ra. Okay. The Sarah says, she's going to be the queen. She's gonna be the queen. Let her be the queen, as long as we don't threaten her. She'll leave me in mind alone, and I think she really felt that up until her dad got it. Ear and then she became paranoid and then things just kind of spiraled from out of there. So it's kind of like the men of her life as much as she is. Tried to protect them as much as she is. Tried to serve them. They really have put her in this bad position which I mean for most of us who are a little bit knowledgeable about Game of Thrones of History. We know this is not going to end well, for her side of the family. Actually, it's not going to End well for either side of the family.

1:31:26 But the fact that her father in his quest for power basically started the downfall of this, this generation in this family, you know, I just I feel really sorry for her. Are the how time was an extinct family? Be extinct? I don't think they are extinct. Um, But I'm not sure, I don't think I know they don't have the same authority to hear because the tyrells rule the reach.

1:32:07 Yeah. But the tyrells are descendants of the high Towers. They are hmm. But um, Yeah, I just, I don't know. I feel sorry for her and what she's about to endure, but going back to the coronation now. So yeah. Hey, God is about to be crowned King. He comes into the, he comes into the dragon pit, and of course, they're saluting him and everything. Now, he he cleans out pretty well. I will give him that but still you can tell he's just kind of looking around, like, Like, it's almost like he's expecting Ashton Kutcher to come from behind somewhere saying that he's been pumped because he's walking, he's walking through there like he's still, not believing.

1:32:58 This is happening up until he gets to the stage. And in the midst of this Ray, nice is in the crowd and she's kind of witnessing what's happening because she has her Eric have been ushered into the dragon pit along with everybody else. It's a nice way for me. Old have been Corral, they have been heard and they have been ushered into the dragon pit with everyone else and in the midst of all the chaos they've gotten separated. So she still hiding because no one knows, she's escaped the castle. Hey, guy goes up to the stage. Otto is making his announcement, you know, is your good fortune and privilege to be here, to witness this, you know, new day for our city blah, blah blah and egg on comes up to the stage.

1:33:45 And there's one Really interesting thing I noticed and I watched this three times just to make sure I wasn't imagining it. So over on the side you have Amon and you have Helena and they're looking at agon as he's coming up the stairs. As, you know, all this Pomp and Circumstance is going on. And when he kneels down and Sir, criston Cole is getting ready to crown him. They're all looking at him the moment, the crown touches his head Helena looks away from him and she does not look at him again, until he stands up. And he starts looking at everybody, waiting for them to acknowledge Him as king.

1:34:33 She looks at him for a brief moment. She nods her head, she turns her head back away. She does not look at him the entire time, the, from the moment, the crowd touches his head. Now I don't know if that's significant but it was very, very noticeable to me. Like, even in the background. Now, I'm looking, she's looking at him very, very intently. While the priest is putting the holy water on his head. And then, as soon as the crowd touches his hair, she turns and she doesn't look at him again until he stands up. She turns her head, she curtsy, she does that little bitty curtsy to acknowledge Him as king and she turns her head again and she does not look at him and she does not look for it again, until the beach from beneath the board's comes out.

1:35:22 Because during all of this Ray, nice has looked around. She's like, oh, I'm in the dragon pit. Yeah, let me sneak my way, on this way. She goes downstairs for her. If Ike how fortunate this lucky. This is where I wanted to go in the first place. Yeah. Because it was a moment in the street when she realized that she was being herded towards towards the Tipsy smile. She's and she's like, oh, okay. Yeah. But yeah, so when he when he is crowned and everybody kind of acknowledges him I can't a skein and the other funny thing is during this whole time, you know, when I said that Helena's, looking at him.

1:36:05 Amen is not looking at him so it's like they're standing next to each other Helena's. Looking towards egg on a man is looking towards the opposite direction. And then once the crown hits his head, their gazes do this Helena looks off to the side. Aiming stairs directly at his brother and it remains that way for the rest of the, you know, the time. So I was like, okay, I don't know if that's going to be significant or not, but it was just very, very obvious to me. So anyway, they got two turns around. The crowd starts cheering.

1:36:48 He takes the sword. He throws it in the air, you know, with his arm like yeah, yeah, everybody's cheering. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, boom. You have a huge explosion as rhaenyra and male, he's come from up under the floor. And when I say, when she came out of that floor, and then you close in on her. She's, I mean, she took the time to put her armor on, she was in full. She was a fool. I had a small farmer and she turns you know, the dragon is sitting there.

1:37:31 He's kind of, you know, it's a couple of people dead in King's Landing today. The phrase he probably kids is left. Just like I'm sure there's another exit, she is left that. Now she wants to make a statement, she had to make a statement because again earlier in the episode, you know, Alison went to rain. He's basically saying, yeah, I want your support and she tried to use this whole thing. Oh yeah, you should have been Queen and all this other stuff and I think at that point Randy's was like, okay, you know what, let's just gone ahead and make this clear. So when Male Easterns towards the stage. Allison tells her Kristen to get hellena out of there and she stands in front of aegon because she's fully expecting dragon fire at this point meili's inhales. And let's go and all it is.

1:38:27 Is this huge huge, huge screen and they rain are just kind of, I mean, r and he's just kind of looks at them. She turns around and they take off. And Alison. Has this look on her face like oh fuck. Because you know she bout to go. Run tell that straight to rhaenyra. But I know there were people who were pissed off. They were like Ray nice. Could have ended this whole thing right there. She could have burned them all to a crisp and everything would have been gravy. And I just, I disagree with that so much.

1:39:08 I actually agree with the way that she handled it. One because this is not her fight. They didn't usurp her throne. They usurped writing errors and you know at this point she kind of sorted doesn't like right now because she feels like reindeer ahead or something here so she can marry Damon. So Where is that? But at the same time to I feel like, I feel like that was just a big fuck you to Allison like yeah. You talking about women having power. This is what the power is. I have the, I literally hold the power of your life in my hands right now, and I just gave you Grace and I will also like to paint in addition, because I don't disagree with you that maybe for a moment.

1:39:59 See you thought about having lost her children? Hmm. And was like you know maybe I'm not gonna do this to Alison. Yeah it might be part of it too. I mean it wasn't anything a living dead too so it well the idea. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I agree with that as well but I really think it was more so. Oh yeah. Yeah yeah. It was really liked her place. Yeah, it wasn't her. Place is not her battle and then at the same time I feel like that was her basically telling Alison get your shit together because now Rainier is about to find out everything that you did here today.

1:40:42 I mean, think about it at this point, rhaenyra does not even know her father is dead, right? She doesn't know. And that's my only is her father. Did y'all just had a coronation for the crown that was supposed to go to her? After y'all just basically like I said, left things on a good note. So you know, what's right near here is what's about to happen. She's gonna be pissed because she's going to feel like Alison was lying to her the Alex. It was being fake because the last thing and it is all along last thing I'll talk about you.

1:41:22 Like, you know, I'm gonna come back and we're gonna, you know, we're gonna hang out and things going to be having used to be, there was less. As conversation y'all had, you know, yeah, I'll come back. I'll come back and spend some time with you and Dad and then Dad dies the same night. So she's going to think all the way back to that dinner. When you said you know you'll make a great Queen to make a great Queen. Your ass was lying. Yeah. You had this plan from the get-go, it's how Ramirez. If you this how I will feel right, you stabbed your name in Gold because then we don't like Alison anyway, right? But you wait until I left the island? You wait until I left for Dragonstone and you put your plans in or in place just that quick. Yep.

1:42:19 That's because that's what it looks like right now and it's about it right now. These doesn't know the details of what happened because y'all locked her in her room. So as far as she knows, Knows Alison was behind all of that because Alison, was the one who came to speak to her was like, I really want your support. Hmm. And then butter and I know, you know, I love my husband but you should have been Queen. Yeah, now other way. Stupid, I do with that. I don't think I would have gone as far as a kill or they would have just left her locked in that room. I don't think they would have killed her. I think Otto probably would have if she if she didn't bend the knee.

1:43:00 I think about what happened. Oh, then he would have had all of drift marks coming down on him. I'm at that point in. But at that point, you have to remember, Laura, cordless is still in critical condition. They still don't know if he's To make it or not, so this point, but if you there, they vote that family there. Enough people in their family, their who would not take kindly to y'all killing stealing her for that reason. I haven't done anything about Damon and Damon was actually their blood rain. He's just married into the family. Well, they knew was being an asshole. Damon was being an asshole but that still does not negate. The fact that he was killed and yeah, I agree a little bit but then again his guards with me.

1:43:53 Like yeah. He ran his mouth a little bit too much. Yeah. You can leave like what happened? What happened to me? They told him what happened been like, oh yeah, yeah, he called demons. Why he called he called The Heir Apparent they wouldn't let's be honest. Even if they Add them if they had killed her drift, Mark will not be able to really do anything because at this point, now, if they have leadership and not even that they don't have dragons met, Lisa is right there in the red. Keep they don't have dragons. They don't have Veigar. Well babies have see. Smoke would be the only one to have, right?

1:44:36 But who's writing see smoke right now? Nobody's rest, nobody's riding see smoke. And I mean, Bela still has her Dragon, but what is her One little dragon going to do against the first of all. What is it going to do against Veigar vegard is the largest dragon in the world. So you guys made okay because I think uh I think vegard is the Yarns. Look at this point. He was second only to balerion. Yeah. So yeah, I mean even if she was she was second only to blaring cos V Garner. She yes, but yes, I think even at this point if they did Kill rani's, there's not much Jeff. Mark is going to do now.

1:45:24 They may refrain from, you know, helping out the targaryens if and when it comes to war, but if they kill rani's, where is drift Mark? Drip are going straight to rhaenyra. They're like, oh yeah, we don't care that you kill laying or they killed Ray. Nice. Yeah, we come. Over here. What you finna do what we're doing? But I guess we'll see if that's going to happen anyway because we know Rainier. Right? Nice is on her way to reindeer right now. Yeah, she bout to run tail that as Lori likes to say. So we only have one episode list season finale and then we have to wait until probably twenty twenty four before we get into new episodes.

1:46:12 I'm like, yeah, cuz I think they said it's not going to be 20:23. Oh absolutely. I don't even think. I think they're supposed to start filming in January and Spain is what I read. Okay. Yeah. So oh, so we're not at the dance of dragons yet, we're about to get there because you never a nice is not. I mean Rainier is not about to take kindly to any of this. At all. But you see what my screen name is.

1:46:54 Danny with a single wheel said it she would have she have you trying to take my throat? Oh yeah, let me go on ahead and just drag cars you right quick and just be done with this, the Mann family, but your car's, your whole family and just be done with this right quick. Yeah she would have. But she would have done it, just for locking her up in the in the room, just for liking the door. What have Danny did have consistent? Just for that. But I think the difference also to is Ray nice. Grew up and has been around during the cerasus peaceful Reign and you know if she would have done that that would have been an act of war and she would have started it and I don't think that's what rainey's wants know if it was a personal slight to her in that sense she would have but she didn't even start.

1:47:45 Well, I won't even say she didn't start war with rhaenyra after laying or die. Because technically speaking, they're still family. And she was also alive during a lot of jaehaerys is rain, right? No. She knows where piece looks like and how conflicts get resolved without War. So maybe to her, there might have been a way to resolve this conflict without War but she wasn't going to start the war, right? And again, it's right near us. It's right near his decision on how she wants to handle this because she's the one. Who's been slighted? Yeah, you know she literally has had her Birthright stolen from her.

1:48:30 As decreed by her father became. So it's going to be interesting seeing how this, you know, pans out. So um, you have any final thoughts on this episode? I really don't again, people can have mental health issues and still be okay. Thanks are perfectly fine. There's nothing wrong with them. Oh, we did, we did forget one thing, so yeah. Apparently sir, Lord, Larry sent someone to go. Burn down the white worms house and I don't know if she was in there, I doubt it but I doubt it because if her network is as good as is his proclaimed to be.

1:49:20 She knew it was coming. Uh-huh, she probably knew what was coming as soon as she meant? Well, I do Hightower. Yeah, like she like she wasn't seriously liris. You don't think that she would know where you're up to, but I also kind of Wonder, you know, now that I think about it. I'm I'm wondering if lares was the one who sent the person, or maybe was it auto because I want your big head. I think was okay, because I was going to say, I do. Did not look too pleased to have someone like that. Put one over on him, you know, because she was basically like she say, yeah, I found him in flea bottom and I took him somewhere safe because I felt like somebody could hurt him.

1:50:05 She was like, but please, no, I understand. I could have killed him at any time. And when you go through your game and you put him on the throne, you remember that? I was responsible for that. I don't think I don't like that true, but I'll do is also have used her network in the past. He's benefited from it in the past. So he's he's Savvy enough to know where she was really saying, she really was the saying, I want to make sure that flea bottom is fine. You don't see like he knows it, he probably wasn't really malicious. Just because if she was going to kill him, she the killed him. Mmm, yummy. He knows the empty pair. She wasn't gonna kill him.

1:50:46 Yeah, because well, that's why is the her here? This payer and be done with it. Yeah, so he's yeah. He but Laris, he would have done it because the queen would have shown him her ankles. Yeah, I mean I would I mean he probably would have done it without that. I mean, this is the same dude who killed his father Sir and his brother. Yeah. But remember she said, she learned that she has to be clear and concise in which he desires. Could you don't want delete him to leave it open to interpretation. Mmm. Yep. That's true. The other thing, did you notice that the person walking away from the fire had an eye patch?

1:51:32 No, I didn't notice that. I think he had an eyepatch. I look three times and I was like that's an eye patch under there. I don't know if it was aiming but there is a knife there is I think there's a definite iPad from under that hood laughter. Look at that again. So which I think is interesting because if that's the case met, that just negates my whole argument supporting Amon, if that's the case. But I don't know if I think it was him, or if it was somebody else. I do know that there are some Some other. assassins that we would learn about probably in season 2 but I can't remember if one of them had an eye patch, so I don't know, but it's about to be 0. I'm just I'm preparing for Rainier is wrath and probably Damon's to, I was going to see.

1:52:30 I'm preparing for Damon's wrath. It's gonna be yeah. Cuz he loves his brother. Yes, he does. You and, and to know that he died, and you didn't tell him. Yeah. But his brother was dead. That's gonna be that's gonna hurt him more than anything. Yeah, it's going to hurt him a lot. Especially it was like right after he left because he could have come back. And after they had kind of, I won't say patch things up but things were not as tense as they had been. I think, I think of that moment where he helped viserys up the stairs and gave him his crown.

1:53:14 I think there was a little bit of forgiveness on both of their parts in that moment, and a little bit of a healing between them, but to know, now that that will never that Rift will never be healed. 100%. That's I have a feeling that's going to that's going to do something to Damon, psyche, that's gonna be hard to control. Hmm. And I still believe him and a man are on a collision course for disaster. They just are. Yeah, me, there are two sides of the same coin. They are destined for our I think Amon is a little bit more controlled than Damon and And in a lot of ways because Damon he sees stuff like, they mean, this is the person who you know, your brother said he was sending some ships to help you and you go and kill like a whole Army because you don't want his help, you know. Um, so yeah, this is the person who went and started, you know, started the whole war in the stepstones because he was like, okay, you're not doing nothing.

1:54:24 Yeah. I'm gonna go out here. You got, you don't want to make me. Are you going to take that away from me? Yeah, I'm a guy here. And kill something. So yeah, I think you're right. They are on a collision course. They are two sides of the same coin and that is I don't know if I don't think we'll get that in this season. I think at this point especially since they focused on the height H and that side of the story as far as viserys death and what it means, I think the next episode they probably will focus on rhaenyra and How she responds to all of this because the title of episode is the black queen, right?

1:55:04 This episode was the green Council side. Well, I'm sure the next episode is going to be from beer, from the black perspective and then I don't think we're gonna get any war or any real fighting in this one. Next episode, we may get a little bit, I don't think so. But I think all of that we live stuff. I think all of that. That big stuff is going to happen. Probably in the second season, I did read that they will not be doing any more time Jump. So we are done with the time jumps and I'll tells me that the dance is still not going to start. They mean, I was starting next season if you're not gonna do any time jumps, if I'm if I'm remembering correctly.

1:55:51 Visit a lot of things that have to happen first. Yeah, people got you. Yeah there's some things going to happen first and I can see them being able to stretch that stuff out. Yeah. I don't think. I don't think they'll stretch it the full season because we know that the dance of dragons is happening, we got to have some dragons fighting. So that's got to come and season 2. You can't go the whole season and not give us that. So, I would say maybe about halfway through the season before the really, really big stuff starts happening as far as the dragons. But again, I don't know how long they're planning on doing this show.

1:56:35 Like, I don't know how many seasons I know I heard. Heard a rumor of four or five seasons. I'm going to be honest. I don't know if I don't know if I want it to last that long, write it down, we're not gonna get our first real dragon battle until the season finale of season 2. And I mean I even start I think you're going to see a lot of dragons because there's a lot of dragons out there especially at Dragonstone. They don't have Riders. Yeah. See smoke. They don't have Riders we gotta find riders for these people, right.

1:57:16 He's right. Yeah. It's go. Re going to spend the whole season, marshaling resources, you know, going to different locations to give a different Bannerman on board and we'll buy you another dragon soul. Going to see all these things happening is going to take the whole season. Yeah, you might be right. You might have to get to that point because it's a lot of things. A lot of stuff that had a lot up. Yeah. For the dance actually happens. So we may not even get any dragon battles, but I'll promise. You will see a lot of dragons. Because, like I said, those HBO, you fix.

1:57:56 They want to see dragons, able to see dragons, right? It's all they care about the dragons in the targaryens right after we going to get a lot of next season. Yeah. Okay yeah. Yeah, you might be right, you might be right because when you started saying I was like wait there is a lot of shit. That happens in between viserys is death. And the dance, the actual dance. There's a lot of death that happens in between that too. So I'm just like, we got houses, it's going to switch sides. One or two times. We got, we got all that stuff that you got your rules together. Diamond, the kids, become the Lord, and they teams remind me, a lot of stuff that's got to happen. You're right, so?

1:58:44 Yeah, you might, you might be right, we may not start. You can stretch it out, biggest, stretch it out. Okay, I just don't want them. I don't mind them taking their time to tell the story especially without the time jumps. Because I really, they could have they could have extended this season a little bit more, like some of this stuff, they probably could have put in the second season. I wouldn't have been mad. I would have, I would have liked to see them develop some of the characters more, especially the characters like You know, sir heart was strong Lena, velario, you know, those two stories? Like these two people were so important to the story in the book and how many lions did Sir Harold hat during the whole season? Not absolutely nothing from him up until this this episode not enough.

1:59:38 Yeah, nothing. So Well, I don't know, I it's almost as if the show started out as a proof of concept and it being all of a sudden, the execs from born, our old crap, then they had to put a show together. Yes. This is, if that's what you feel like, okay? Yeah, this is if I especially have to be the other show, got scrapped. Yeah, and I heard rumors, I heard rumors. That sea snake was on the ropes to now, that's for lack of dragons. I heard that it was on the ropes but then I saw something more recently. This is that George r.r.

2:00:21 Martin has confirmed that they are moving forward with it, so I don't know which one is true at this point. I'm like I'm just going to wait until they say oh it's confirmed. This is what we're doing. We know that there are several Spin-off ideas out there. I think the only one that we know that is happening so far is the Jon Snow spin-off. Everything else right now is just kind of on the table. So I'm not going to speculate too much about those. I would love to see something about the sea snake because, again, I feel like in this show, like they made him one of the most important characters, one of the most prominent characters of the show, but I still feel like his family was on Back burner and then, you know, to go through the whole thing of going through all of this drama off-screen about making this prominent character, a person of color and making his family, you know.

2:01:19 Black, you know, him being black brother, being black kids being black and now pretty much all of them are dead. It's like, what was the whole point in, you know, in the representation if you were just going to kill them off. So if they're going to To do a sea snake story spin-off. I'm here for it, maybe we can get all of them back and we can we can explore that story. Some more just a little bit. But yeah, I I'm just going to wait and see what they say about it. I'm not going to get my hopes up because again, I kind of had my hopes up for the other spin-off because my boy was in it and then they just kind of pulled it. So, I was just kind of like, okay, you know what? Now, just wait until I start seeing trailers and now they LOL.

2:02:03 Ok. Then I started I was thinking of see you know, the last the series that got cancelled with the pilot was the lack of dragons and targaryens. Yes. And so the only thing that might be keeping see sneaking around is a potential of releases, courtship will include a dragon so that that is going to be probably the savior of that. Sure. And they may even write it to the point where she might be. Integral part of his dominance of the stepstones, like, having a dragon on his side, okay. So, you know, I can see how it might be on the roads because the guy that convinced them they have, it is going to be a Targaryen and Dragons.

2:02:55 I think about okay? Yeah, yeah. We might be down with that. Okay. The only reason why John snows going along is because he's Jon Snow. It's Jon Snow, so that's not on the wildlings hopefully. So yeah, maybe maybe, maybe there'll be a dragon, who knows? Maybe they'll actually explore the fact that he's aegon Targaryen The Sixth. Yeah, again maybe, maybe. Maybe we might see drogon come back. You don't know, Joe got a little bit pissed off. I don't know. He might come looking for me. Yeah. Then maybe find out where he took Danny's body, true.

2:03:39 I've heard rumors but you know as I've heard speculation speculation. It's a good back to Old valyria. Yeah whatever. Yeah. And they are going to bring her back. Yeah, so okay. Well we've seen people brought back from death before. So yeah, death is just an obstacle. So all right, well that is it for our show you can find us online at www.zenithawards.com. We are on social media on Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter at Phantom hybrid, you can watch our videos on our YouTube channel. You can chat with us on our Discord Channel and you can listen to us on All major podcast streaming platforms. Thanks for listening, we hope you join the conversation next time.