House of the Dragon S1E10 - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #204

0:25 What's up hybrids, welcome back to another episode of phantom hybrid podcast. This is hanako and I am here with Anthony and Michelle and we are discussing the season finale of House of the dragon and we are a little bit late with this life has been happening. In other shows, have been happening and we just hadn't gotten around to it, but I think this has given us time to really go back and re-watch and reflect on all of the mess. Yes, that happened in this. Yes, definitely. So everything that happened in this episode is leading into the story that will come the next season, which I believe we are getting in 2024.

1:15 So, now that we're at the end of 2020 to, that doesn't seem as far away. But it's still far away. Yeah, it does anyway. Let's get to it. So, in the last episode, you know, we have the death of King viserys, we had the greens usurping, the throne and placing that toerag aegon I think he doesn't even want the crowd. But anyway, that's near neither here, nor there. So we ended the episode with Ray nice flying off on her dragon.

1:57 Basically, with the look to the queen and all her people like I'm about to run. Tell that Oh, we got the green side of the story. Now, it's time to get the black side of the story. First thing I want to talk about what we see in this episode. We've got to talk about that table, because yes, yes, it was me and the other show. But we never knew how magnificent this table was until the beginning. Till the opening scene of this episode. You talked about people losing like information Over the time and it's only been like what hundred years or something and they forgot, they forgot how to light the table. Bailey directions now, they didn't leave directions. So this table, this is the table that is in the War Room on Dragonstone.

2:51 We've seen it plenty of times when Daenerys was there on Dragonstone when she had her her War councils? We seen. The table is carved in stone and it's got all of the different, you know? Big places that's in Risk Westeros. So it's basically a map of the whole country and its got like these candles and everything and it's really pretty. And we don't see how awesome it is at the beginning, his towards the end. But because they LED with that, we got to talk about this tape is so ornate. Oh my God, like the detail on this table is amazing.

3:34 And you never really see it up close like that in Game of Thrones. But then this one like you see all of the carvings even the house names and the castle names. And you see the little markings for, like the people who are supposed to be there in the trees and this that and the other is so beautiful. But the thing we never realized about it is they have all the candles and they put them on this little thing kind of, I look at it like one of those things that you That you do the Brick Oven pizzas with, and they slide it under the table, and the table starts to illuminate. Like, there's lava going into all of the openings and it literally likes the table up.

4:21 And I was like, why did they wait until almost the end of the episode to show us? This they should have showed us this at the beginning. Of course, they weren't planning your, at the beginning. So that's why but that table. I don't know if that's something that they came up with during this show, when they said, okay, they look back at Game of Thrones and they were like, what can we do with this table to make it more? I don't know. Spruce it up a little bit. That's how able is amazing. Like, can I get one? I don't just work with my cats but no, no, no, no. It's very similar is very similar to the dagger where we don't know.

5:02 There's a dagger. If you stick the dagger and fire, it has words on it. So it's almost like a metaphor for how information is lost how things have been lost over time, right? Yeah, you're right also. I think for me it also just kind of symbolizes that, you know, if you think about it, all of these things that's happening the information that's passed. It also shows you how things can be. Misinterpreted you think about what happened with Queen Allison when she was listening to this heiresses last words, you know, his mind. He's talking to rhaenyra and her mind.

5:44 He's saying that he wants their son on. On the throne and it's just that little that little bit of misunderstanding misinformation that is literally about to lead to a whole War. Just the little detail with the table and a little detail with the dagger because I think even with that dagger and Game of Thrones that dagger came to You know it went from Little from Tyrion to little finger to the Assassin, backed is just it passed through so many hands with no knowledge of what the true, what words or was a what the true purpose of that dagger was and I find that very interesting because that is something that happens a lot.

6:32 You know, with different families with different cultures. You know, a lot of a lot of the history is lost. Because of that type of thing. And I just thought that that was that table was just so cool to look at. And I was like, The table lit up, she wasn't a lot. Well, you know, not that you would think that your house of fire that you would just put it just set everything on fire and see what happens. It just light a match to it, see like everything a secret code, but you say that about we lose things, it's almost like the same thing with losing the information that was passed down to her because she's the only one who got the information from her day. Yeah.

7:18 And I think, is she gonna pass it to someone else before she passes? Yeah. So Anthony you mentioned that too? As far as, you know, maybe they could have held off or they could have done so much more against the White Walkers, if the information wasn't only passed from air-to-air, why keep it such a secret? Shin because, of course he wants to go to war with everything that's going on and she's trying to tell me look, you know that this is bigger than you or me and he's looking at her confused and when she mentions aegon's dream, she realizes that he does not know about that prophecy.

8:06 Because her father never told him and I thought that that was really interesting because before rhaenyra was named are Damon was next in line. Hmm. And is he never shared it with his brother. So I was one of those things where it's like, did you really not trust your brother with this information? Or were you just that hopeful that you would have a male Heir? And it's just the way that Damon reacted once he realized. And once rhaenyra pointed it out, oh, he never told you It's kind of like, you know, we talk a lot about Matt Smith and his his acting without words and you see that a lot in this episode as well, when he hears the news about his brother being dead, just the emotions that come over his face because as contentious as their relationship was he still loved his brother.

9:08 We are, I think we all know that we talked about it, so to hear that, his brother is actually dead. And then the events that come after that, You see all of this on his face and then even when she when they have that confrontation because he actually puts his hands on rhaenyra during this because of course she doesn't want to go to war, he does. But she's the queen now so he has to follow what she wants. But you can see it on his face. Not only the anger about her knowing about the information but also hurt is like he realized his brother never meant for him to They are either way. And that's got to hurt, you know, because for all intents and purposes of until Damon got fed up, he was viserys is ride or die.

10:01 He was the one that was there protecting his brother, trying to make sure that nothing will happen to him. He stood behind him up until he couldn't, but he still supported his brother. Even when they seem like they weren't on the same terms, right? They they still were kind of looking out for each other. Yeah, I mean they just had different approaches to that, you know, viserys was the one who wanted peace, he was the peaceful king. That's what, that's what he's, you know, called in the books, he's the peaceful King. Damon not so much, I don't think Damon knows what peace means.

10:47 No, he just wanted to show everyone that we are in charge and there's no question like what we say, goes period, that that was him, especially when he was in charge of the Gold Coast. He's like, yeah, we punished everyone in one night like we said, can you didn't take your time, do it? No. No, no. We knew who all they all were in? We did. We need to do because he wanted to show Them who's in charge business. It kind of worked for a while. They said as much.

11:45 But it's surprisingly the ninjas aren't full, right?

12:42 He feels that day. Like okay so y'all want to do for this or whatever you know it's like I have Dragons It's not going to stop fighting basically you know right? Right. I don't know if I could borrow some shit down though. Yeah, he would. Yeah, that was, that's another thing that they mentioned in this that kind of parallel Game of Thrones because when they were talking about going to war after all of this, once they find out that viserys is dead and, you know, basically they figure out or at least East Damon thinks that Alison has had him killed or something to that nature. When they get ready to go to war, once they realize that a guy has been crowned you know, that's one of the things they said oh we have dragons. We can we can just go in and just burn shit down. And rhaenyra said, the same thing that Daenerys said, she said I don't want to be Queen over ashes and, you know, ashes, hi.

13:43 And it was just watching this episode and seeing the similarities, I was just kind of like, okay, so are they going to show us a repeat of Daenerys? Or are they going to show us how raining Raining mirror is different from Daenerys because you know, for eight seasons, they built up Daenerys and Game of Thrones she's going to be the will break or she's going to be the one to do things different. She's not going to be like the Mad King and then in the last few episodes of season eight, what did they do? They turn her into What she's been saying for Seven Seasons? She was not going to be, so I'm just kind of wondering if they're going to do the same thing with rhaenyra, especially with everything that happened towards the end of this episode. Or is she going to be the one to stick to her guns and say? Okay, I'm not going to become this person. I'm not going to become this person. I'm just kind of like, oh no, it's not that. At the end of the episode.

14:48 She has been her father's child. Like the peaceful. We're going to try to figure out a peaceful way to do this but also when it came to Syria said about her and Damon is like she has a bit of a dragon. She's very unpredictable. So, you know, and volatile and all good stuff at the end of the episode that other side of her is coming out. I'm just saying so some seat will get burnt. I'm just saying the difference like, with the nearest is, you know, people who have gone back. Act like I haven't re-watched it, but people who have gone back and they're like, the signs are always there. She basically solved every problem actually came across the dragons.

15:29 Yeah, it's a great thing for fire. Yeah, she did. So, you know, I'm one of those people I'm leaving. It was it? I know that everyone hates how it ended. I get it, I get it. However, There was science all along that she won, right? It was signs all along. She wasn't. Right? So what she did, I can believe it burning the people. I can believe it. Like she don't care about these people. Okay, it's not her people are in. There is different and there it is. Yeah, born of peace and tranquility and things happen like that, you change your mind, real quick. Thank you.

16:51 Limbo. We don't know if he's gonna live or die and we start out the episode with loose Eros and his mother because he's fretting about it. He's like I can't sighs, you know he was like Lord cordless is the sea. Snake is the most renowned sailor. He's earned his title. I've never I get, I get sick getting on a boat. How am I supposed to really? Which is a valid question and I love again. You know, we talked about the contrast of the parenting style between rhaenyra and queen Allison. And again, you can see that fully on display in this whole episode.

17:41 Renewal loves her kids. Yes, she does. And she's very supportive of them and she's very encouraging about and I think that's what makes the end of the episode more heartbreaking. Because she's already pregnant in this episode. And when she gets news of her father's death, when Princess rhaenys comes, she tells her viserys is dead. Now this No tact. No compassion. She just the saris is dead.

18:23 Is this how we tell people that their fathers are dead? You can soften that up. I mean, I understand things are Urgent. They just, they just crowned, your, you know, her half-brother King behind their backs and all this other stuff, but you could have had a little bit of Tak in it. Of compassion for this woman who literally just saw her dad to come and be like, oh, the saris is dead. They named Dagon King. They're about to come for you and your children. What'd she have to see have to give it to her straight?

19:04 See anything through the street because there's no, it's not any time to be. Yeah, that's basically that was he was like, I don't need you to be crying over here on the floor. I need you to get yourself together because it is on now what you see what you gave it to her all at once. and of course, I guess she's trying to hold it in or she's trying to process everything.

19:47 She put some undue stress on herself. This baby starts to come early. Wait, let me add one thing, Damon see what everyone else wanted to say. Why didn't you take care of it? When you were already in the dragon pit and she said, But I just love that in there because we always thinking, she just take care of this problem. He's got the same thing. You can answer care of this problem. I mean, because she would have wiped out everyone who would have started the war correct.

20:32 I never would have gone there. Black. Okay, the cool thing is here. I was like what what what recourse everyone who would have started? That's true. With the release of a point and no one can write either the dragons. Insincere equally I think it is perfectly justified in doing it based on how she was treated. Yep. You know, you basically held her prisoner and a tyranny in front of her. She could F, but she did. He thought she saw those lures being executed like, for the research. She she I think she could have been Justified because she's this is what we could have been hung to. Yeah, but you got it.

21:17 I guess you could say she's in a weird position because of course she doesn't. She doesn't support the greens and rhaenyra is still her family by Blood, but she still thinks rain area is responsible for her son's death. So she was going to help them. We have the part at the in the Middle where she gets crowned queen everyone, bends the knee except for a nice. When they are in the War Room.

21:58 Everyone's basically saying we're yours. Our people are yours. Our soldiers are yours. Ray needs to still sitting in the background just kind of looking like, I'm not in this is. Yeah. But she just she was giving her not of approve me. So few times like yeah. Tell him take charge. Yes, because I think she I think she understood like she tells little cordless when we finally see him when he wakes up and they're sitting there talking. She says, that girl is the only thing that's holding the kingdom together. Now, she's holding the realm together because she wants to go to war. She's trying to find a peaceful solution. She's not trying to plunge the realm into death and darkness and all of this other stuff. But it's not a tool or cordless actually looks at her and was like, okay, you have, you know, you have my fleet behind you that releases like, oh, okay, I guess this is What we're doing, this is where our Lord see is, and then you start seeing her step up.

23:00 But before that, she was like, just I just ain't got nothing to do with me. I have no skin in this game. My children are gone. I don't care what y'all do. She was like, my cousin is gone. Now, just at this point, she's like, just leave me the fuck alone. Keep me out of your politics. Keep me out of your family drama. I want no part of. It has nothing to do with me. You know, her granddaughter's are already Patrol to, which would have drawn them in at some point. But I think even with that, she would have, she was just like, I don't want to deal with this, but she has two special her granddaughters because now they become enemies of the state. so, your perspectives like, Yeah, enemies of the state or in the Muse of the usurper, which is kind of those series. Is that the whole song of ice and fire is being a critical of these monarchies and things being passed down through blood just face, Tan blood, and that experience. So whatever.

24:24 He and I like how they carried over here because, like, what did when does? Nope? Me. Like, during Medieval Times the oath oath that people made is where it held everything together. So if you break those, those housed, anything understand like it was against the law to hurt. Someone who stayed in your house as a guest, right? But here it is, the target. Right? You're not supposed to do that and, you know, hanging Lords, you know, this because you think they're gonna go against you and all that stuff is sort of that brings chaos and confusion because your oath is supposed to mean something.

25:06 So all those Lords who are breaking their oath, they're the ones that's going to cause this whole thing to go going to chaos because they could have just as easily been like, no, no we're not gonna go along. Everyone has like, well no, we all squirrel stew. To renew it and like, she supposed to be the queen. And yes, yeah, I didn't swear this, so right. But that's what, that's what creates the problem is that the ulcer supposed to mean something, because if that's the case, then what's the point of view of making a note, you know, So it's just a little seems to think about when you can see how all this is playing out in the chaos that occurs from people breaking their Oaths.

25:54 Well I guess he's actually breaking his open because you know oh he promised to marry my daughter like so what do you have to offer? So now your loyalty is for sale and and that's not how all that stuff is supposed. Yeah well you being threatened you have to change your old. Yeah. So Okay, I'm sorry we've been off on a tangent. That is think it's a it's a really good. It's really good commentary on the importance of host during those times. Yeah because I mean if you look at it and compare it to the way politics are now it kind of makes sense that The sun doesn't necessarily have to follow what the father believed.

26:40 You know what I'm saying? Because if you go in our times, think about our own elections, you have families who have been Republicans for years and they may have children or grandchildren who go the opposite way and go to Democrat. So go to Libertarians or you know, whatever and vice versa you have families that were democrats for years. And you spit out this one Republican over here is kind of like but that's not how we raised you this is not what we Taught you. Those children are learning to think for themselves and they may have some things that's going on there like, okay. I know that this is what you said, we should do. But this is wrong. That's wrong. I don't agree with this.

27:21 And so I'm going to forge my own path. But like you said in these times, that whole forging the own path, it causes a lot of chaos. It causes War. Because here you are your support. Everybody is supposed to like if everybody who has sworn the oath to rhaenyra sworn fealty to her. If they had just stepped up and told the greens, no, this is not flying. When they've been an issue. It wouldn't have been an issue and I mean, you see what happened? Speak up in the last episode. Lord, boar is a boar roast. That's, that was his name. The 10. And the first meeting ya is not what he wanted, and he would not make this kind of huge change.

28:15 This is not right. We're not going to do this. He got killed for it. Granted, it was an accident but he was still killed for. And, you know, sir Harold, when I don't, Hightower gave him the command, you need to go to Dragonstone. Take some people, you need to, you need to kill them all. He was like, um, we have no King. I am a swarm member of the King's Garden until we have a king. I do a shit for y'all. He threw down his white cloak and he left. You know, so you have to have those kinds of people who will stand up and just like, what's his name, Sir? Eric Who basically betrayed the greens betrayed, his twin brother to get princess rhaenys out of the castle to get King. Viserys has crown of the castle.

29:11 He made his way to Dragonstone Bethany immediately and swore fealty to Queen rhaenyra. Which was one of the best scenes in the whole episode. I was like, oh, this is nice. But then You just want to get your twinbrook, like your convictions are that strong that you were like, okay? Yeah, because of what he said it when he saw he's like, that boy is not right. They stand behind this.

29:59 but anyway, so let's let's go with the bad stuff first. Like we said, rhaenys comes in. She tells Rainier and Damon. That viserys is dead and that the greens have basically usurp. The throne, they crown and gone in front of the masses to make it a point that he is the king. And rhaenyra goes into labor. Now, we know the second time we've seen her in labor. Yes. And we know they have had some hard times with laborers on this show and just the way that she was, like, dealing with all of this information.

30:47 First of all, you don't even have time to grieve your father and grieve what you've lost before you go into this life-threatening situation, because her baby was Do it. This baby was premature and she was not having an easy time of it. You know, we see that throughout the episode, she won't even let her ladies-in-waiting touch her. She won't let them help her because she knows what happens with difficult births. She knows what happened to her mother. She knows what happened to Lady Lena. It's just one of those things where she's like, nope, don't help me. I'm going to figure this out on my own and at the same time, in the midst of all of this. She's trying to make sure that Damon does not burn the whole Kingdom down down, right?

31:37 In a midst of trying to give birth. And I don't feel like she was screaming for him because she wanted comfort from her husband. I think she just wanted to put our eyes on him. Like, don't do anything please. I want you doing. We've seen that Damon can be a loving father. Yeah, we've seen it in the deleted scenes that they robbed us of his girls.

32:21 And we also saw in in the brief glimpse of him and Bela when he was teaching her, how to speak bulerias. So, we know he can be a good father. Okay, we saw him when him and rhaenyra brought the younger kids to meet viserys. So we know that he can be a Jean father, who knows maybe when she had the first two, maybe he was there with her even though they're kind of different for those times because men generally weren't in there with women but Damon is not one. Do what people tell him to do so he probably right kind of been in the right, who knows? Yeah. But it's early for her. So he may be thinking back about Baylor so he may not want to be in a part of that but also he was consumed he was and I think she by what goes next. Next, he had a lot of emotions going on. Yeah.

33:11 It's like, he had a lot of things for his brother. I mean, imagine. I mean his brother. He just found out his brother pants and it just his kingdom from his wife died in childbirth. Now, his current wife is struggling. It's tablet. Yeah, he's gotta. Let me just take the kingdom away from her. Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. So he knows that his family is also being threatened. So I do believe what you're saying, Michelle. I think in some ways yes she probably did want him or maybe it was calling him just because she was in pain, but at the same time I think she was like, please don't let him burn this shit down please.

33:56 Yeah, I think that's the main reason it was like, okay, I got to make sure I keep him in check so you know how he is. She called her two sons into the room with her. And what did she tell? Just serious. She was like I am the queen, whatever I have inherited you are now. It's are nothing is done. Without my consent, make sure you let Damon know and he went in there. He was like my mama said, no. So he could, he could, he could get my boys.

34:48 Let me tell me. Like he was getting mad. He was like and no I'm the air. Didn't the Lord's? Didn't love us? A don't you want to go be with your wife? He's like no. Yeah. He was just he was mad and and rightfully so. but, We go through rainey's Rainier as you know, her labor and she starts having flashes of her Dragon while she's in labor. Then she delivers her own baby.

35:32 First of all, we got to talk about this again. We said it the last time rhaenyra is a beast? Yes, he is because yes, she is in pain and basically went down and pulled her own baby out. We'll see reminds me of sorry. Spoiler alert, the quiet place because the mom and the quiet place, also gave birth in the tub while being quiet. All at the same time with a he was the boss, right? So, see what was the boss? The boss I could do it might be passed out, help me, help me, please help me.

36:19 And the sad thing is when rhaenyra does finally deliver the baby. Hmm. Again, parallel to Daenerys. This baby was malformed, she was missing a leg, she had scales and tails, it was just horrible. Horrible. And we see her grieve, this baby. Like, she's sitting there. She's holding the baby rocking. The Damon comes to see her and just kind of you know, doesn't say anything to her, leaves her to be, he goes to mourn out on the beach because again, at this point now you've lost your brother and your child in this.

37:02 In the same day you find out all this information in the same day. He's just laid out on the beach. Just Grieving rhaenyra is in the castle. Swaddling her baby. She won't even let the silent sisters come near this, child. And it was just it's one of those things where you see the strength in both of these characters, in the way that they react to certain things. And in the way they grieved as well because I'm, you know, granted I know Rainier is about peace and she wants to handle things. Her way Damon is about striking.

37:47 While the iron is hot, Damon is about action. He's about, you know, making plans and this is what we're going to do. Do, I can't say that either one of them were wrong in their approach. What they in the things that they wanted, I can see the reasoning on both ends, just like, even with rhaenyra later on. She says, if there is to be a war, I will not be the one who started. I will not make the first room, you know, the first strike won't be mine. Am I to understand that, you know, what is it that we as parents tell our kids, or when we were kids, our parents told us, you never start, you never passed the first lick, right? The one to instigate the fight because then the blame is on you, no matter what causes that lead to be passed. That's all people are going to say. Oh, you hit first.

38:41 You struck first, I don't care about the circumstances. And I think right? The same with this and Rainier knows that. You know, because think about it, everybody. The whole damn country knows she was The Heir Apparent. She was named heir of the series. Had a whole fucking ceremony. Yes, he did. Hey, do you have a new ceremony? Right. Thank you, the last time it will everyone saw him. He said, why are we here again?

39:25 Never settled already. So I really everyone. Pretty pretty is pretty clear on his mind and say, all right? Yeah, which is why if you think about it, you know the greens weren't paying attention because why would he make such a big display not what? Twice. And say hey this is what I said I what is it that we say as black parents don't make me repeat myself or you know tell her father Otto can come in and say the king is dead. He wanted a god yall already know all the way about shit. And he just got this job back.

40:16 So why would y'all believe anything that comes out of his mouth because that's what y'all wanted to believe? Y'all weren't loyal to viserys, not in that sense. Y'all are y'all are loyal to this, this so-called Rule and this so-called law, that only men can succeed. Have y'all thought that maybe some of the stuff that y'all struggle with and the fact that over Larry is God y'all had Kings ruling during that time. Maybe that's part of the problem. Maybe, maybe not a woman. Try it out and see how things might be a little different. but no, you want to go a tradition and All that other stuff.

41:00 Okay? So anyway, rhaenyra and Damon. They do have a funeral for their baby and it's during this funeral that Sir Eric arise on Dragonstone walk. Straight through the crowd, walks up to Damon, Damon turns and looks at him and at first Damon was like, oh we bout to fight sir. Are it drops to his knees? He pulls out the crown, he gives it to Damon and he swears his fealty. To Queen rhaenyra. And again, that scene is so powerful because you have Damon holding the crown and he's looking at the Targaryen symbol and he's looking at the quite like this is his brother's Crown. Like I think if he had doubted anything in that moment about the serious death, that was the moment. He really knew that his brother was gone because he was holding that Crown in his head. and I think also I'm not I'm not gonna lie, there may have been a second While he was holding that Crown, we're legal film.

42:05 Is he taking the crown like? Oh okay? Well, it's right here in my hands. Now I could be I could be king and be done with it. I have to say, I think that thought went through his mind. Maybe not enough for it to be a solid thought, but, you know, it was there or this. He was thinking about. I thought he was thinking about his brother, that's not thought. I thought he was thinking, he really is gone. Yeah, that's what I'm saying he did. But you can't tell me that the thought, didn't, at least cross his mind before he turned around and got to his knees and said, my queen you? Yeah, I just Like it might have just yeah. It was the air like this.

42:52 Could have been me. This could have been me. Or this is really committed meeting? No, yeah. There do you? Yeah, and no one can say it didn't cause that would cross anybody's mind. Yeah. That would cross anybody's mind. So one past you a trophy and you gotta pass the someone else you look like him this could have been me. So that's the got this damn trophy. Come on. Now let's be honest people right I mean to sit here and say that it didn't go through his mind. I think that would be unrealistic because yeah through all of this stuff even with rhaenyra. He was still pissed off that he was not the heir. So, and, and we all know, even from childhood before it was a thing thing with them, he adored rhaenyra You know what I'm saying?

43:41 So it's kind of like it wasn't the fact that, oh, I don't like her, she can't be Queen. This was somebody he loved and cared for and he was still pissed off. Like no, I'm supposed to be king. I'm supposed to fight. But the other thing that I, well, I was thinking I was thinking, I can't wait to see Eric and Eric have a fight because, you know, it's coming, right? Because I feel like, I feel like women which one is it Eric or Eric, I think Eric is the one who is with the blacks, and Eric is the one that's with the greens. But Eric left and came to rhaenyra. Based on honor that is that is a man of Honor. You know what I'm saying?

44:36 He saw things weren't right. He wasn't going to sit by and just let it happen. I feel like at this point Sir, Eric is probably just going to stay with the greens just on principle. You know what I'm saying? And it's when, when I do Hightower actually does show up on Dragonstone to try to, Get princess rhaenyra to surrender. You see the brothers on either side and you see the look because Sir Eric is looking at his brother, like I can't believe you fucking left. I can't believe you standing on the opposite side of me. It was like that that look you know, they say twins have that that secret language and they have that to left it and you know that look was you traitor.

45:23 But I mean, I would rather be a traitor and stand up. Something that stand up for something that I believe in dancing. Just sit on a side because that's just what we do. Like, you know, the shit that they're doing is wrong. And you're over there anyway, supporting them. I don't know. I don't know. but, this part when Auto does show up at Dragonstone and he makes the you got some major You got some major? Yeah, that's not to say, he got some major balls cuz you could have died.

46:10 I'm just saying. Did you do that? And what happened, right? Near a showed up with her dragon. And she did the same thing with this time. This is a woman who has just given birth to a stillborn baby and buried this child. And you really want to come to where she is and the man, her surrender and give her terms like, oh will really give you can stay on Dragonstone. Your children will have places in the in the court what was it? They miss a, I will rather feed my children to dragons than to have them serve. Even the core of what did he call them confit?

46:51 I mean, he called him all kinds of names. That shit was funny. But the way he just said he was just like I would rather feed my children to drag is it right now. We're kind of turn and look at him like excuse me, those are my children. Is interesting. Once again she shows them Mercy because he really could have been just burn them all to Chris. What would, what would the greens have done? Nothing. Probably be a good time. Yeah. Allison me of Center because I think it was That was kind of like a gesture of their friendship and peace.

47:41 Offering the queen wants to remind you of the love you both for each other and I was like if she really, really wanted to honor the friendship that she Had with Reagan Era, which they were in the process of men being at that laughs. Yeah, they were stairs. Then you would have spoken up against your father and his cronies and said this is not right? This is not right, this is not right because what will I don't have done is, was Otto gonna really kill his own daughter? I don't think he would go that far. No no no he might have.

48:25 I don't know if he would have killed Alison. He might have imprisoned her. Are carted off to Old Town for something and locked her away. Well, I just feel like Allison and especially once she realized what was going on and had been going on behind her back. I don't know, I felt like that was the moment that she really should have stood up and voiced what she wanted and what she felt was right. You know what I'm saying? No, I mean, granted, I know you want your son to be king? I know you do and I really feel like at that moment that she was listening to viserys, she really thought she heard what he wanted and she was trying to Be a dutiful wife, I truly and wholeheartedly believe that.

49:21 but, This is a man that you were married to for a very long time. Aside from Lord bees Barry you probably knew him best you know that man didn't want a going on the throne. You don't even want egg on on throw know you don't. I think we should deal. Is he took those words to make them fit with? She kind of want it, which is to protect her keys and all the way. She felt like she could protect them with his, well, wait, if it's a consciously, if he's King, then they'd be protected. Yeah. But that's toasty maybe you know something. If she's mean immediately fit for when there wasn't going to harm her brother's soon, as we all know, man. So, but I do best that wasn't part about those games. She would, the set them up.

50:15 I mean, she probably want to kill some other Lords and stuff and gave them, you know, some man in property and castles and set them up, you know. She really wanted was all all absent, really everyone. It was particular case because I do put that in her head that Renewables gonna kill me if she became Queen because they will be, they won't be a threat. If I do, you're trying to make everyone meet Nick and King this only way they become a die, Now, I will say this.

50:57 I think she would have had a problem with amen. I do think a man would have been a problem. Even if let's say, if Alison had gone with what was going on, if she had said, okay, your father said that raining Rainier is be. Are she now becomes queen? You are her subjects, whatever. A guy probably would have been happy as hell because again, what has a one he never wanted it. If rhaenyra is Queen, Gene and his nephew is the air. That means he's go do whatever the fuck he wants. He doesn't have to worry about. Yep.

51:39 Amen. On the other hand, we know Amy wants it. So I think he would have he would have been a problem. The only the only thing only thing about that is as long as Damon was around, a man would have been a problem. You know what I'm saying? All them would have to do is stick his head in room. What did you say? Amen, and we're set up. What was Damon? Can you speak up a little louder? I didn't hear you quite like I heard vmin. Oh your name son, kind of rhymes with demon. You want to end up like him.

52:26 Say it again. How attached are you to that tongue of yours? You know. Yeah. That way he knew it. You like, well, if I was gonna say drawing sheet with him. Yeah. Have to stop stones and you know, what? Kind of temper that man has, I mean, think about it, his brother offered to send him help. And what did he do?

53:22 He went us for a whole Island full of enemies. So we already know he has a temper Windows Damon a wrapped too tight when it comes to certain things. No, he is not. Yeah. Is that. And and not only are you at this point, insulting his wife Insulting his nephews. You are insulting his family period. Regardless of, if those boys are bastards or not, they still come from Targaryen blood, they do review. They steal Damon's blood brow, right?

54:07 And we know how they must feel about family. He say it was ever first episode, you know how he feels about Targaryen, but when you were to fire, pardon the pun, What they're planning to do as far as who their allies are. And you know, I think one of the things about rhaenyra I feel like she is a bit not even certain things because in her mind okay these people swore fealty to my father, they swore fealty to me. So there are allies the you know the veil my mother is from the veil so they're not going to turn on their kin. Says when, yeah.

55:01 I mean, and granite, I think, part of that is also the cerasus fault because I said this from from the time that he named rhaenyra are. If you're going to name her, are she should have been in all those small Council meetings with everyone. She should have been learning how you run the country. She should have been learning the ins and outs of how the houses interact with each other. Who this person is, how this person feels. She should have been a Out of that. And I think if she had been a part of that, I think maybe she would have done things a little bit differently as far as her allowing Jason Loop to go and treat with two of the houses to try to make sure that they were allies.

55:46 I think she would have made different decisions that could have turned things around a little bit differently. But yeah, like why wouldn't the things he would have been doing or cinnamon doing what was sending her around to the different Lords in certain situations came up with stuff came. Yep. And to basically show that this is a person we are going to have to deal with right and where she C is is like making those decisions. Yeah, and wet cease. It is is like me talking to you. So when she comes there, She tells you all the stop fighting or we're going to do XYZ y'all best believe it. And I think that that was one of the, you're right. That was one of the biggest problems. He didn't treat her like in here. No.

56:34 Because the only time he say her round was the fatherhood I know we kind of went here but there was a tender tender moment between Renee aerith's release. And Corliss. We, he base was like. Yeah, I think I made a mistake by trying to go out to the room and she's like, yeah, only when we start off, like you left me? Yeah. Like, you literally left me. We lost our children. Right? Right.

57:14 Yeah. Okay. There's the tender moment started off. You bastard. You left me basically basically and look up and look at all the shit we in. Now, this is what happens when man don't know how to deal with emotions correct because what was he said? I had, I had nothing left. I had, I don't know, something. I was like, you had a wife. Sit right here. You have your grandchildren and dollars, not just a granddaughter. Train them to protect them. You should have been there to teach Luke how to be lord of the time, if he's, your are.

58:15 That's the other thing and it has to do. do I think it's just With monarchies in general at least back in this time. Nobody is teaching that airs with what to do. They're like oh you're the air but you're not really including them in stuff and teaching them stuff. Think about it. Same thing with Robert Baratheon and Joffrey. Yes, Robert was a little he was a little arrogant, probably never thought he was gonna die, but even if you don't die, suddenly, even if you're going to die of old age, you still Still need to teach the person who's going to come after you what they're supposed to do to rule. When when Joffrey was killed, someone should have been teaching timing.

59:00 And I know that, you know, Tywin was trying a little bit and I know Circe was trying a little bit. The Bastion of in something Robert should have been teaching them because he was all of them even next. Start to train those boys. Please mama. Had to train. I think he did were wrong. No, he didn't, because that's where he went wrong. Because this mom had to help him along the way, if his dad truly trained him, they wouldn't be in that shit either. Well I think it was I think in a way it was they train them like to be men and you know the expectations but not about leadership because neither none of the men thought that they were ever going to leave their part.

59:45 Well, I can tell you where I think run, this is kind of awful. We're talking about. The problem with Ned is that made wasn't trained either because he was expected to be the Lord of Winterfell. He was stabbed, he likes it. Even teen when his father and brother with you. Yeah. And so, you know, he took over, he didn't really know what he was doing either. That's the point of, so we need to try well, but no one expects to ever leave their position. Yeah. Well I don't think I don't retire. I don't think. Yeah, I don't think his father over his brother knew they were going to be executed, and they went to her.

1:00:31 Court, so know is, I think they probably they taught their sons certain things they talked about, maybe, you know, taking care of the land, taking care of the people. I think the issue that was present with Rob was one. He never expected to be out of the North because Nat start never expected to leave the north. He didn't want, you know, when when Robert became king, he could have been handled, the Kingpin. And he was like, no, I don't want to. I'm just gonna go home and I'm gonna stay with my wife and my kids also, because he was trying to protect John secret. You know what I'm saying? He had to stay as far away from the king and the kingdom as possible. so I don't think, I think the problem was with Rob when you come out of Winterfell and all this other stuff you're having to wage a war because of the things that's happened because your father has been captured, then he was executed, your sisters are missing, your family is scattered to the Four Winds and now people are looking to you to lead and I think he was never taught about war and about Go to war and that sort of thing, because they never expected that to happen. Yeah.

1:01:52 And that your word Yeah, but still prepared at your word, is your word. Your word is your bond. I can keep going by people, not prepared, and even go to the store and they didn't repair the keys when they got kidnapped him. I'm just saying no one is preparing, like, prepare them a little bit, just prepare the first episode. Nigga, it behaves, someone who left the wall, and he's telling them your oath means something. So, it wasn't like, Rob didn't get the listen right? I just didn't listen. Okay. Okay, put in the first episode, the first episode sets up everything, your old means something. When you break your oath, you have to suffer the consequences, okay? He did but just training wise, knowing really trying even run are has got trained her boys.

1:02:40 You they just now learning the language. So a lot of things it's a lot of things about. We just step away into the say training being prepared. But what's to come? I do not because of Rob had just made a girl like you suppose to know your shoot billion she would have happened. It's almost a man. I don't know if I believe that I may I think things would have gotten screwed up and in other ways. But yeah, it's just we won't even talk about that because that, okay, but this is interesting because it relates to it Jace. Was it don't loose what he's saying to begin? Like I don't know what the fuck I'm supposed to do as long. Cause it's fast.

1:03:22 I don't even like being on boats, right? Not yeah. He was like, making me even pick on a boat but he didn't even take a summer break with his grandpa on the boat. This kind of see how things are rare and I mean, but yeah, basically this he was solidified. Well, I'm sorry not certified to there's it was reiterated that he was going to be working the past call. This should have taken him. To Jeff Mauro? Yeah this is his own Adventures trying to. Yeah. Try to deal with his grief. Yeah.

1:04:02 Okay. I'm looking at the episode in the back and this is when rhaenyra is coming into the War Room For the First Time as Queen and she's got her walk and she's got her guard. Now this thing it was serious but it was funny at the same time because when she got ready to step in the guard start stuff, she she turn around like know No, don't follow me. And I know it wasn't supposed to be funny, but I think it was funny because she was like, I don't need all of this. I can walk across the room by myself. I don't need y'all in front of, you know, I don't need y'all to be me. But I think the other thing that I like about this is when she comes in and she kind of assesses, everyone who was around the table, she's getting ready to go forth at to the head of the table to kind of start. Doing things.

1:04:52 She looks at bail and she looks at rain and she was like, come so it's like immediately. She's like, okay, you you girls are going to be important. You're going to come to the head of the table with me and I like that because again, I think it's stresses how important family is to the targaryens, you know, because she couldn't be like, oh y'all are females. Y'all can just stay over here in the background which is what most people would have done. We got y'all here. Y'all are gonna come. Y'all are going to show their my house is Unified and I think that was one of the things also that tipped Lord cordless is hand when he finally decided that you have the full backing of my fleet because he turned around and looked at them girls and then girls standing that's dumb boys. Like yeah, they ours they hours we here. All right.

1:05:43 Well, if that's what we gotta do, this is what we're doing. And when he's just sitting there looking like, but one of the things about this episode, and I felt this from the beginning, and yes, I've read, I've read this section of the book so I knew what was going to happen, but it was just the way that they really focused on rhaenyra and Luke's relationship throughout the episode, you know, stuff from the beginning when they're having a conversation about him being lowered. Tides to them saying goodbye to her when they make a decision they're like you should send us as envoys and she's having that conversation with them.

1:06:28 They focus on her and Luke. And I was like if y'all if nobody knew everybody would figure it out from V scenes here, Luke is about to die because you're really, you're really focusing on that relationship. Not a Layman, really you? you know, we we get a few scenes with her and Damon but their contentious at best You know, these are two people who have two different mindsets that have two different viewpoints on how to approach this conflict. They're both grieving people that they love and they're just, they're not on the same page at this point.

1:07:13 Her and Jason yeah you had the one little scene where she was like I'm Queen your the are you need to make sure Damon doesn't do squat without my say-so he does it. He also shows that he steps up. But again the focus in this episode was always on Luke and then the fact that it showed us Luke's mission to the baratheon's. I was like yeah this is not going to end well, first of all, when he arrived on storms in, he got off his dragon. And the lightning struck and you see.

1:07:58 That big as dragon in the background. You should have turned around and went back home. That's true. That's true. I can't do this today. Not today. You not today. Who was there? You already know he has a grudge against you because you took out his eye. You should have turned around went back home and then the fact that you're there as a messenger and not as a warrior, you animate been able to fight him even if you were a warrior, this is a man. He's one of the best there is when he got off and he approached them and he was like I said, you know, I have a message for the queen and he goes in, he tossed a little Baratheon, aiming his, their first of all, or Baratheon sitting there. Being very condescending and patronizing to you that shit right there.

1:08:56 This yeah. Amen, of course. With his my Lord strong and challenging him and talking about. Yeah, you took my imma take yours, you can just give me one. I'm not going to leave. You completely blind and all this other stuff. Like I applaud lure Baratheon for saying y'all are not about to fight in my house because again like like you said, Anthony you don't go into some like, this is not what you do. Mmm, nope, this is not what you do. but when Loop get on their dragon, And they left. He should have just I don't know. You should have put some nitrous on this dragon or something. Y'all should have got the hell out. But that shot went when he's on Eric's and he's he's flying and then you see, I forgot I forgot.

1:10:00 What the other dragons name was is a, is that vague our radar? Flies above him and you see just how big the disparities between the two. I was just like, baby, just go home. Just just go as fast as you can hit. Go fly logo into some Corners that he can't get to, which he did a good job. Now, I will say this, when they got into that little aerial dance, Um he was doing a good job of evading Veigar naming and I will say this even with everything that happened at the end I don't think amen. Had malicious intent.

1:10:48 I think he was just being a bully and being an asshole and he was trying to scare Luke. I don't think he meant for what happened. What happened to happen? Now, the dragons were doing what they wanted to do. Writing even, and you've been Luke was telling erectus, was listen to me. Listen to me, because he was, he was still trying to attack bigger. Yeah, yeah. Listen to me. Listen to me, don't stop. And you get this this view of Luke and Eric's they they Fly Above the Clouds.

1:11:36 You see the sun on the horizon? And it's a very beautiful shot. He looking around, like we got away. I knew what was going to happen. I've read that part of the book. I knew what to expect. It still hit me like a gut punch. When Veigar showed up out of nowhere and just snapped loose Eros and Eric's in his Jaws. when I say, I just sat there staring at my TV like, oh, they're going full out with this.

1:12:17 Because in the book when they talk about the attack, they say that parts of Eric's it Eric's. Show it washes up on the shore, they never find Luke's body. So there's actually a portion in the book where they're like, we don't even know if he's really dead made. You know, the rumor is he probably had Amnesia washed up on shore, somewhere, didn't know who he was and he's still living his life. But they decided to make it like so undeniable that Lucy's dead, right? Because you didn't see a whole body fall, he didn't. You saw pieces pieces of dragon, you saw his cloak. I think part of his cloak.

1:13:06 That was it? Yeah. The rest is in his stomach and the look for Amos face. He was looking like Holy shit. I don't think he meant for that to happen, and it's now correct me if I'm wrong. That war is about to happen because you want to be an ass, right? But correct me if I'm wrong because you read that part because I've heard that he purposely did it but Was that true in the books? I don't know. How did they, how did they?

1:13:47 How was it written? Spoiler. How was it read? If I'm not mistaken. I don't think he did it on purpose. Because even when he gets to, when he gets back home and he tells them what's happened. I won't say he had remorse but it wasn't like he went home bragging. Like oh I did this. I did this. It was just basically old so let me tell you what happened. And Alison was the one who was like God's help us because she was like, what the fuck did you do? I was the one that was like, oh okay, we're about to celebrate you. So I have to go back and look but yeah, I don't think he did it on purpose.

1:14:33 I keep I keep thinking of the popular GIF of Bill Duke and me and Society. You know, you didn't fuck that. Right incredible because it literally was I mean my screen name. See what happened? Was that one. and people were like, um, so a thing happened, it was just, you know, they talk about Kens layers, you know, we've heard about kingslayer's, you know, in reference to like Jaime Lannister but can Slayers people who slay their own kin.

1:15:20 Those are supposed to be some of the most revolting people like nobody respects them. So that's the pin wheel of time. It is a canvas layer and he didn't do it on purpose. Yes. Okay, yeah. They're pretty terrible people. So he just needs to go back to the class of how do I train my dragon? I don't think it would matter because the dragons I know how hard this isn't predict. I'm joking because he is first of all there is old so he's like I'm not gonna have this he's old and he's like I'm not gonna disrespect me.

1:16:15 Sometimes have like big like feelings of their owners are bonded with you so it's very Feeling of how a mother feels about him and how he feels about, you know, having that taken away and get disrespect. So yeah, flying through you can feel that emotion to. So even though aim is mean I have wanted him, it may have felt all the angst and and and disdain that he had for Lord strong. So do it acted on it and I guess for Rags, Susan's the fear, my Lord strong. If for a Rex is it was like just fearing for your life, right? Rex is wasn't trying to get away. So yeah, this was definitely scared but yeah, that's going to be a you're like dogs.

1:17:18 I don't think they know people. I don't think they know how big they are the light. Like you know how dogs he goes about dogs. They don't know how big they are. This one. A little dogs, always barking, big dogs, they build. So arises didn't know how big it is. So I think he was just like he was feeling whatever Luke was feeling but also Anthony, I think you talked about this a few episodes ago is like I feel like in a way it's kind of arrogant to think that you as a person can control this Beast. Yep. Like yeah, you can have some control of them to an extent but this is a beast that is born in the wild. This is like I mean basically it's like it would be like us trying to control a dinosaur.

1:18:11 It's not going to be as much as what's his name. And she still went and did her own thing when she needed to. Yep. So you can probably up to the end you can only control them for so long before they're like, wait, why am I taking orders from you? You are lunch. You know. Huh. But yeah there's tragic human is gonna feel the wrath of a lot of people. Oh yeah, you know it. Yeah you know it and then the way when you know after Luke's death you know you have this this saying the final scene where, you know, they're in the war room and people are around the table and ran nearest is around the table, Damon is walking towards her and she looks at him. He just kind of takes her body.

1:19:08 The arm and they walk slowly towards the fireplace. He said something to her and then he backs off and she standing there. She kind of Fosters a bit and then she turns around and she has that look on her face. Like y'all are fucking with the wrong people. She had her Rick Grimes face on right in Sydney and she did for death. That's why I'm narrow with the peaceful. Okay. They struck a couple times so now she died. Kitty here. I'm just saying she's all the rest of them. She said, if there is to be a war, I will not make the first right now. I hate that it had to be that personal because now you've lost your father, you've lost your daughter and you lost the Sun so I hate. Yep, no.

1:19:58 Okay, y'all want more? Yeah, now City by the Sea finna, let Damon go to taking him off that leash, right? And with Damon says, he's like we have 14 dragons to therefore or something like that 3. Yeah, cuz they had they have dragons on the island that are unclaimed the roost in Dragonstone, but they're wild. Yeah, it's it had to research the when he was singing to Damon was singing to in the cave. And that was from Earth or which was jaehaerys is dragon.

1:20:45 So he's right. He hasn't had. He hasn't let anyone try to ride it since you're here has died. And it's I want to say It's is not quite as big as Veigar vague door. Ya know, cuz I think right now I think Veigar is the largest a big argument for and maybe my family releases because that one's old to avenge cannibal. I can't remember what his name is. It's supposed to be pretty large to. Yeah. Yeah.

1:21:25 Then I think they just call it the cannibal and I don't think he has a name. Yeah. The cannibal So it's going to be interesting. So they gotta find, they had to find riders for all those dragons, right? Which means we're going to have to show up in the second season. Now, the other thing too is They didn't introduce him in this season and I'm I'm thinking they're going to bring him in in the next season but Allison and viserys. Had another son. His name is Darren I think there are and he is actually in Old Town. Apprentice saying with Alison's uncle. But he is also a dragon rider and he has a huge huge part to play in the dance of dragons.

1:22:18 So I'm guessing they're going to bring him in next season because I don't, I don't see how they can complete the story without him, unless they assign what he does to another character, which I don't think they would do. I don't think it would make sense for them to do that. But yes, she's about to go down me. You killed one of her boys. Yeah, and then we still, we don't know what happened to James, because we didn't see his part of his journey. You know, I forgot who she sent him to Envoy. Where was it? The air is, did she say him to the Veil? I don't.

1:22:58 Being so happy. Did she send him to the north? I don't remember. I can't remember. But, you know, I'm sitting here now, I think, I think she did say him to Aaron because I think because Aaron and Baratheon are blood relatives of hers on her mother's side, you remember, she automatically assume that they would honor their Oaths. But she sent the boys to go kind of sweeten the pot. Which, of course didn't happen because this is something else that happened in the books that they didn't really go into in the show. So, Lord Baratheon has four daughters All of them. Unmarried, all of them.

1:23:45 I think I'm betrothed. So one of the things that Aegon did or the Amon did when he came to treat, what Lord Baratheon was they agreed to a marriage pact and so that was one of the things he said to us are as he was like okay. So your mother's reminded me of my oath. So what's in it for me? He was like are you prepared to marry one of my daughters? And Luke was like I'm sorry sir I cannot I'm already betrothed but in the books he promises tommen that her youngest one is Tom and to, right. I can't remember what the youngest ones name is.

1:24:26 I don't remember. But he promised the younger brother to one of the daughters. And I think the thing that pissed aiming off was one of the daughters was kind of sort of flirting with him and when Lou saris refused to fight him about the, I she made a comment to Amon. She said, did he snatch your balls to with your eye because she was basically like, Do you want to let this little boy? I tell you that. He's not gonna fight you and you're not going. You're not going to pursue it. Oh, you must be that's basically what she said in the book. So, in the book, the rumor is that just that Luke's body washed up along with the dragons and that a man went and found it plus that both of his eyes and then brought it back to that daughter as you know, basically like okay, you know what you say, got no balls were, here's two eyes to it was just one of those things where it was kind of like Oh you talked about, Add about me. So this is what I did.

1:25:29 I was just like, either way he needs, he needs to let some of his past. Oh yeah, he needs to let it go. You say, you lost, I you gain to drag, okay? You got the biggest dragon, right? But you still you started, right? Hey, you started it. I mean, I understand. They made fun of you when you were little Can't make fun of you now. He still he still sends it to you and see what happens as you can. Let It Go. Now, You're a murderer York in Slayer. Right.

1:26:52 Yeah. The little puppies yeah Gary got him more passionately of people already acting out the whole. Yeah back not the whole thing is acting up the whole thing. I was just kind of like, okay, let's see how they're going to build up to this because I think they announced that they were renewed for season 2 maybe a few weeks before this episode are. So I was like, okay so we know they're probably going to leave the large portion of the dance of dragons for season 2 rumor is I think we discussed it before they're supposed to do five seasons. But I'm not sure if that's the case. But the question was always where they going to end the season.

1:27:51 Like what's the stopping point to bring us into next season and I felt like it was going to be Luke's death. Especially like I said once they started focusing him on him in the episode. I was like, oh, we're getting Luke's death in this episode, I didn't know how much further they were going to go, but I knew that was going to happen. And when that was the last thing, it was Like, I mean, it was a great, great ending, so it ended it was. But so with him dying and then Right now. Her turn. Yes, that was perfect. Her feet and you lie. Oh, oh it's a whole bunch of stuff about the happy now. How he fares?

1:29:08 I feel like he has to side with rhaenyra now because, you know, if you don't, she coming after that ass. Oh, yes. Because you were in his own voice and that's why all of this stuff started. Like the minute, a man showed up at storms in, he should have been turned around. and she said, oh no, I'm honoring my oath to Queen rhaenyra you can leave Well, no, he just showed up with a BS Dragon. Well, this, so we basically did and he's supposed to go to the Erie and then 20 fail, and come back. it's just Yeah, I'm pissed off

1:30:51 the wrong person. Happy, we're going to be. She is going to be that that, that textbook of see I tried to place. I tried to play nice. I don't want to play nice. So now I got to show you all my ugly side. I think the greens downfall is decision, making, I don't think they have quality decision making on this side, right? So I have a feeling every decision they make as far as we're goes is going to end badly for them. So I think it's going to be probably a prolonged War longer than it should have been probably. Yeah probably.

1:31:36 But I mean Yes. Rainey's could have, she could have ended all of that. By killing them. All rhaenyra could also have ended it or Damon could have ended it went out on high tower showed up at Dragonstone. Sorry he would have shown up at my father is dead. I just buried my baby that I lost because I was stressing over the news of your treachery. Otto would have been Dragon barbecue. All of them would have been, I know, and I don't even think you noticed about the best.

1:32:22 You'd only about the best kingsguard dear cousin. Eric was there. So beautiful. I'll be there if you want to see. We have 14 dragons who will be very pleased to Barbecue them. And that would have been it right now or has she has a tighter grip on her emotions and are her anger that I do because they would all been toast. I wouldn't have even held aimed at me like that. Go do what you want to do, just yeah, yeah, yeah. Go do it.

1:33:10 I don't care. Just make sure you clean the bodies from the castle before we go back. Just. Yeah, because the counter proposal should have been, you have one week to vacate the premises right. Please take your children to Old Town and we will leave you be otherwise. Be prepared from Cindy's, barbecue and see, right? Prepare to die. but, Fool. I mean, again, everything that right near has had to go through in the series by itself with just in these last two episodes, father daughter, son, Your husband is on your side but pissed off at you.

1:34:03 Like he literally grabbed her by the throat and was choking her. Because he was not letting on the secret. Of a guy's dream. And I was like, dude that's that should tell you right. That you are not fit to be king. You got mad because you weren't told a secret And you just sit here and threatened your wife, who is the queen? She technically could have had him killed for that. Yeah, but he was filled with emotions. I think it was that, I think it was. Now I'm having to listen to my wife, who's in charge, when I want to be in charge, it was just, he was, he was picked up.

1:34:47 grieving his his and even though she by the pass out, I'm glad she didn't back down. You didn't know. All right, let me go. She was laughing about it. Yeah, all right. And be like the look was like are you done? Are you done? Okay, thank you. Now, this is what we don't do.

1:35:30 so, we have Like who? The greens have? Who didn't hear? That shit. No, no no, no, no bad.

1:36:12 I went to war, none of the greens with because they thought that they were fools, they were like, oh no, what? Why do we care about stepstones? But what was it? Corliss said, one of the, he said, the one upside of my near-death is that I now control the stepstones control, all the the stuff is coming in and out. So, guess what? We can cut off the boats that are sending supplies. Eyes to Westeros in the red. Keep So now you you bout to you're about to be in a war you're going to have no supplies and then re nice is like she's going to take her dragon and she's going to go Patrol the gullet.

1:36:57 So now she's all in I was like, this is going to be interesting because one you have a king, whose King and does not want to be king. So how is he going to react to all of this that's going on? You have Allison who even though? Yes, I think she has her son's interest at heart. And her children's interests at heart. I don't think she wanted harm to come to any of our nearest children because technically speaking, they are all still related. She wanted that but now she's going to be stuck in between supporting her son. and trying to, I think she's going to be the one to try to prevent more Bloodshed.

1:37:48 But she's also going to be resigned to know that it's going to happen. There is no way, rhaenyra and Damon are going to let something like what happened to Lu Sarah's go unanswered. There's no way any chance for peace is gone like absolutely. It's gone. Because how do you how do you Like things would have been fine. If y'all are just set your ass down and let rhaenyra come and be Queen. She probably and I will say this, she probably would have killed Otto. I would have because I do is the start of all of that descent between her and Allison.

1:38:30 He's the one who planned it. All of these ideas and Allison's had always Rainier becomes Queen. She's going to kill your children to make sure that no There's no claim for her. He was the one who started all of that. So yeah, if I was writing era and I had become Queen, I would have been like. Yeah. Okay, so you'll be safe, your children will be safe but your daddy got to go. Yep. You can't come back from from being there. Like, you know, you can't you can't come back from that and no matter what a man says, no one is going to think that it was accident. No one's going to think that you lost control of your dragon.

1:39:13 No One's Gonna think that everyone is gonna look at you like you just like your mama? You can she kill the king and you didn't kill. Lucas Eros. Yeah right. Yeah right yeah right. This is small. That's just like an his breath on my foot. Why would I be bothered with you? Well, that was cute.

1:40:02 Unfortunately, bad, he didn't that Luke didn't have enough control, over prices can see kids got away because rice is faster. Yeah, he got away and they were down in the, you know, in between the rocks and everything and they are was too big to fit. Yeah. They could have just taken that route. They could have turned around. I mean, it's raining. It's storming is Wendy. You can't really see five feet in front of you. He could have turned around and went home. And aiming, when they would have been none, the wiser, but no Eric had to go and blow his little fire and sealed. His fate along with loose heiresses, until your ex, didn't know how big it was.

1:40:48 He really didn't know any. The socializer dragon stick need to be socialized. Bouncy, Big R. Big R is probably too old to care. He doesn't She doesn't know, see parts.

1:41:30 Like yeah, that's what do you fuck them? But I will say. I wasn't sure what to expect when they announce this series because we were all going through PTSD from season 8 of Game of Thrones and I can't say that there's been. I don't think that's been anything that I really didn't like about it. I mean, the constant time jumps have bothered me because I felt like we should have seen a little bit more background but again, if you think about it, they are telling a story based on Fire and Blood and those stories in there are just it's like eyewitness accounts or third person accounts.

1:42:28 So they filled in a lot of blanks and I like that but I feel like there's some other things that I think they could have done a little bit better as far as Damon's character. Yes, I get it. He's supposed to be the cold. Hearted he's supposed to be the strong one. He's the one that's unpredictable, but there are other aspects to his personality that they purposefully did not show us in the season and I felt like They should have like show us that there are, are more well-rounded targaryens like, you have viserys, who was on one end of the spread Spectrum, you have rhaenyra who was on that same end of the spectrum.

1:43:12 You have Damon on the other end of the spectrum, but it would have been nice to see a little bit of a mixture and actually any of those characters. But I really would have loved to see it in Damon because we always see the typical Bad Boys. I would have loved to have seen him be a little bit more. I don't know, human I guess base based in reality a little bit. Yeah, because I think that you want to hear, I think they want him portrayed a certain way and and I don't, and I don't necessarily think, okay, this is going to be related to it.

1:43:54 I was thinking already is that, I think I remember reading that they weren't really sure if they're gonna get more than the season. So, They were trying to put as much in. They could in that didn't leave a lot for character development because they just weren't sure. And I also believe you know I think I talked about this before the vhdl executives they want to see taking areas and they want to see dragons all this specific Achilles so I can imagine him sitting there going. Like I liked him better when he was just like a Col du. Didn't have a heart. You don't seem like they probably Bleah kind of steer them towards cutting the scenes out because didn't fit with with the HBO and ziggs wanted for that character.

1:44:43 You understand with the honestly, I'm saying, and it kind of sucks that that's how we have to do it. But look big, they spent $30 and episode bad. They just never going to hear like, they just did, you know, I don't know. We're going on / AIDS. Yo, but you know, we're not going to talk about dings. Good coming in at firing, hope. Other people and it's like, oh yeah, everything is great, everything is good, Henry Cavill, you're fired. Yeah, go do your fire. We're just gonna, you know, we're just gonna start over. Oh, rot. You, you might be able to hang around with me. He doesn't want to piss the rock also. So I don't know. HBO is really weird in their front office, you know, if it was a sports team which is a, is something's going on, I would imagine it like it's a winning team but management keeps making these weird. Decisions.

1:45:35 And one of them is make Damon less human and make him more Targaryen, make him and it doesn't make any sense. You know, we already have I don't know if they just didn't want him to be very similar to the series, like you would make him more sympathetic and I don't know. It was confusing to me when I saw the deleted scenes or the patron of the because you basically take away. But then you get in those moments where he's upset about his wife. If die and he's upset about his brother dying. But you can't show him showing compassion to his, like, his own dark night. They have a hard time. We see almost No interaction between him and his daughters in the show, a tall, man, with swiftly. What, what she died.

1:46:24 Once lady Lena died, you see almost no interaction with him and his daughters. Yeah, but you know, the interaction but we've seen the pictures, the interaction exists, we know it's there. They for some strange reason, someone decided it was better not to show him be having compassion. It could be with a base or with a plan and To take his character to not have any compassion to have him be able to do the things that he's going to have to do later that. Don't your person like him would do this, you know? But then he also, you know, dropped Ramirez, pennies and about foot locked away so I don't know. I really don't know.

1:47:12 I like the character and I'm like you some of the things the baby they did. Like what it really changes how we feel if we didn't know about the essenes, And I think it still bothers that he didn't show because, you know, before the essenes came out, people had used with him, not showing any, you know, any consoling his daughters. Yeah. That's why. I think they heard that and they saw that and that's what they lead out the Gleason sigh. Oh yeah, we actually did do this so I'm sure Jerry. Was it? There's a reason. Yeah. But I don't think. But I don't think it was their decision. That's something.

1:47:55 I don't think it was your decision to Kitty. You know. I think there was someone else higher than it was like nah. Y'all got to cut that out. Yeah, I don't know. They're making weird decisions of range. Yeah they are but from some of the stuff they had done with his character, you can tell. You can his compassion comes out a different way. You can tell that he's very sensitive and he's very caring. Ali of his family, he's a family person, he's completely family, and he constantly is feeling for his family, he just comes out in a, huh, because that's not bad. I'm going to him that was someone who was forced upon him, you know, and right, and then nasty to him. So, so, I feel like Even though they're going this Direction with his character, they still.

1:48:54 I see it. I know it, I feel it. I feel like he has so much more than I don't know. So does that he just he just his emotions. He doesn't know how to handle his emotions. He doesn't know how to communicate like he was grieving for his child, his brother in this episode he went and sang to a dragon instead I'm being or he stood up on the cliff and looked at the ocean. That's how he was able to grieve. He don't really care for children. So I mean, I think he likes them but he didn't even talk to the other kids.

1:49:35 I mean, he will protect them when needed to be protected and he will do anything. He will kill for them, die for them. But you're not going to see him saying, hey, you want me to tie your shoe. You need me to braid your hair. I'm sorry. Your mom has gone with the children. They were always kids. Well, yeah. But like, what, what what reaction? I mean, what interaction? I mean, when they ran in and say, you know, we got into this fight, did he say much to them? Well, here's when Allison was going half cops and when she was trying to attack right nearer when she does and he walks over, like his own daughters are over there with their grandmother.

1:50:26 He comes on a Acting. And he puts his arm on one of rhaenyra science. Same thing in the dinner scene like when they start to have this little dust-up he interacts with, I think it was Jase Jase. Oh he told take Advance the bed he said take go home. Yeah but that's the thing though. He was talking to them, they were all trying to fight, Bela was over there ready to crack some skulls because the guys Messing with her man, right. But you don't have to protect them. He don't protect them. First of all, they legitimate he noted, but not know, tender interaction, the only tender interaction where he actually interacted was with his own child. When they sitting there Fireside, reading a book, that's the only 10 ER interaction, all the other interaction was either.

1:51:30 Okay, you bought, we bout to have some situation here. You need to go here because you're about to get in the fight, but like personal connection is only been this. Child is the one who rides the dragon, correct? No, it is the one thing. Yeah, yeah. It is one so, but honestly, that's the only one where he actually has like a bonding moment. The other ones could have been like to have been a teacher, it could be anybody telling them to go to bed. Let me stand by you because you about to get her ass. It was more of a Stern interaction or it was more of an authority figure. Interaction is still a parental interaction that he did that, we did not see with his own shit.

1:52:19 Yeah, so that we have seen it. We say that no the living from that but you're talking about one scene in one episode. Yeah. Moment where there. Yeah. Also bulls with him and the other ones. Even in this one when, you know, Jay saris comes in and was like my mom said, don't do anything. He was like, come on, you about see what loyalty is? He takes Jace to that Cliffside to show him, okay? This is how we ascertain, who was loyal. It's not like he has those moments with Jace. You see right now Era, interacting with the girls more than you do. Damn it, which is weird. Yeah, but could it also be sex too.

1:53:00 I mean, could it be that? Like he's gonna take care of the boys because they know the girls are taken care of gender. Yeah. It could be. Could it be training trying to train? Because we have like a training but I guess. Masters. Right. Let's not point to be targets, right? And he feels that all of them are family. Anyway, I just brought that up. That he doesn't have to be worried about his girls. Can, can we find out why the show only has two Golden Globe, nominations Okay.

1:53:54 So, how did Matt Smith night you not get enough? He, I thought it was just silly. I thought about him. Give me Darcy and the show. Got nominated, that's it. Well, okay so I'm trying to think was that Golden Globes or Critics Choice? Because I know he, I believe, he got nominated for Critics Choice. I thought he got nominated for Golden Globes. But, you know, I would say this for a long time, award shows like I've gotten to the point where I stopped watching award shows because they really jarrah TV.

1:54:47 I feel like has some of the best acting performances. And those big award shows, never pay attention to Fantasy show. You think about Rick Grimes in The Walking Dead? Some of the best acting period. Never been nominated Sam, he learned from Outlander. Let's talk about seasons, one and two specifically. Let's talk about the end of legal one. Specifically never been nominated. And I don't understand that. I don't understand that you have these people who just because they're in this particular genre or a fantasy or Science Fiction.

1:55:35 It's like you right off the performances. And again some of the best performances you may see on TV sad, no sad, no Angela Advanced. He got nominated for what kind of forever. So yes I did see that big and that was one of those performances that no one could ignore the second. Yeah. So let's say yes Golden Globe. It was only 42 in a drama series for Matt Smith.

1:56:23 Supporting actress for drama series, Miller Alcott Critics Choice. They are nominated for a People's Choice Award for favorite sci-fi fantasy show. So yeah, this seemed what is this Critics? Choice, television Award for best drama series for 2023. So they did get a few. I felt like they should have got more, but you should have Award shows when it comes to genre TV. They don't show him any respect. They really don't. So I don't pay my child. Watch the Saturn Awards when it comes on because that's nothing but a genre TV.

1:57:06 No, so that's all. That's the only one I really pay attention to nowadays, anyway. So whatever I'll be looking forward to season two. I'm sure they're going to have some some new characters pop up. It's gonna be interesting. Now I want to see what liris does season 2. That should be fine too. As long as it's not cheat. It may go in the direction that I think they're gonna go based on the story. Season two is, I feel like it's going to be more heartbreaking than season one. just in terms of the deaths, I know that may happen and certain things that may happen to certain characters, just kind of like you know, like we said, they just Unleash.

1:58:01 The Beast in Queen rhaenyra you kill her son. There's going to be hell to pay, and it's going to be hell to pay on both sides, because I think they are going to do this dance. We're okay, the greens have struck first so you know, the blacks are going to strike again and then the greens are going to strike and retaliation I think is going to be that kind of back-and-forth. Back-and-forth thing to the point where I'm not done with the story yet, but I feel like towards the end, we are probably not going to be rooting for either side because I think just even just what was referenced in Game of Thrones, I think atrocities will be committed on both sides. And in the end there's really not going to be A winner, you know you have a tip targaryens we'll probably, I think they will hold on to their rule but the targaryens on which side I mean, I know, I know what happens to most of the greens and I know what happens to most of the blacks. Rainier.

1:59:09 His fate was actually discussed in Game of Thrones, Joffrey mentioned it talking to. I think he was telling Marjorie about it. So you kind of know what happens to certain characters, but it's just kind of like how much damage are you going to do before this little dance is done. I don't know, I mean, we still end up with her years on the throne but like I said, from which side, They're all targaryens well, you know, but there's those symptoms these targaryens. So I'm just saying, you know, but yeah, I'm looking forward to the second season. I'm glad we don't have a two-year wait, because what this ended, maybe a couple of months ago, so it's not like we have a full two years, I know.

2:00:08 It'll debut in 2024 I don't know when in 2024, but We don't have that much longer. We do know that there are other shows in development. They are doing a Jon Snow television show. There are rumors of I think five other shows are for other shows that are in development. I don't know where they stand with those, but we will be getting more Game of Thrones content. So that's a good one. Is that animated show When his animated one is supposed to be, what is supposed to be a musical bass, a stage play, nor stage musical, which is the answer.

2:00:51 I guess it depends on what story they're telling. Wow, yeah. There's the sea snake show or being not mirror and the 10,000 ships or something like that. Another show. Okay? Now, as far as if she first comes to Dorne, I wonder if the the show about the sea snake are they going to show us what? He's been up to these last six years? No, he's supposed to be how he becomes a sea snake. Okay, I mean he couldn't come for a visit wasn't. Wow I mean damn that is besides room in like seen a family so he deal with his grief. So why start a war?

2:01:40 Okay, all right, but here those those shows should be. Should be interesting. I waited thinking egg show, which I think that was the only one that's had them. Okay, okay. So I am curious about that one. I think during this little Hiatus, go ahead and get through the book and then there's another book that's like a history of I think it's a Targaryen history or some kind of history book and I was like, okay, more more reading.

2:02:21 I'm going to have to do but I mean, I guess I'll do that reading since I'm not reading the main books yet, because we're still waiting on. What is it winter? Hmm, so yeah, I'll just I'll read the side novels until then because at least we know those shows. We are getting And I'll just wait for my boo Jon Snow and his show. And see what they're going to do with that. I really would like to see a show about Aria and what she's doing now that she is trying to see what's west of Westeros that would be interesting but I don't know. I'm just gonna I'm gonna be patient and I'm also going to try not to get too excited over anything because of the fact that they filmed at 35 million dollar pilot that they never showed or that they canceled.

2:03:15 So I'm not going to get excited until then. Until they tell us. This is the show. Here's the trailer. This is the premier date, right? Right. I think that's the safest bet. Yeah, this is only bad. I think we got it all. Yeah. To say about. The black queen or any of the episodes in House of the Dragon.

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